On today's show, Alex Jones is joined by Congressman Tom Tancredo (D-Colorado) and author of the Phoenix Project, Peter Bergen, to discuss the latest in the Bush administration's war crimes and cover-ups.
00:00:52.000We have two guests coming up today in the third hour.
00:00:54.000Congressman Tom Tancredo from Colorado.
00:00:58.000One of the best voting records in Congress, especially on the open border issue.
00:01:03.000And now we have Bush admitting, yes, Ridge was actually opening a new front, a new salvo, on Tuesday when he told a gathering in Miami that we need to find a way to legalize all the illegals.
00:01:20.000Getting rid of our sovereignty, paying Social Security to illegals, accepting any fake ID card.
00:01:47.000In the next hour, we've got the author of the Phoenix Project, written back in 1990, been following it for decades, the CIA assassination squads, breaking some new big stories.
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00:08:38.000Now, I'm kind of in a catch-22 here, because a lot of stations don't carry the first five-minute segment, but I still do it, because it's the real news.
00:08:49.000I always want to recap what's coming up, but Congress pushes for larger military, Iraq Army walks out over pay, soldiers in Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction protection, Pentagon finds Halliburton overcharged them, uh, yeah, no kidding, war profiteering, major scamming, computer crimes unit makes first arrest, 20 years in prison for spamming, Phoenix school first to install face scanners.
00:09:16.000Giant earthquake brewing under Pacific Northwest.
00:09:20.000Flu forces some public schools to close.
00:09:22.000UK may ban antidepressants for children.
00:09:26.000Did you know that all of your children in the last 20 plus years, it's actually 30 plus years, have been put in a federal database.
00:09:43.000I was thinking that Prozac has been authorized for 20 years, since 1983, and I have the trials here in front of me, where they knew it was causing a massive level of suicides, but the FDA, the same folks that approved genetically modified garbage and fluoride in the water, they went ahead and said that Prozac was a good thing.
00:10:06.000But getting back to blood samples of your children, how to delete your child's DNA from a data bank?
00:10:13.000And this is from Polly Techbot, or the website of Declan McCullough, who writes for Wired Magazine, CNET, The Washington Post, you name it.
00:10:24.000I'm going to get him on the show next week.
00:10:27.000I'm trying to get him on today, but guaranteed next week to talk about this, because I've been focusing on it for years.
00:10:34.000And by the way, in the next hour we have the author of the Phoenix Project about CIA assassin squads.
00:10:40.000He's also a reporter with some late breaking news on the hit teams.
00:10:45.000...that are being fashionalized in the media, being made trendy.
00:10:49.000In the third hour, we have Congressman Tom Tancredo talk about Governor Ridge, who wants totally open borders and blanket amnesty, and Bush has now announced that, yes, that is the official plan.
00:11:01.000Well, we already knew that, but it's a restatement of it, so the congressman from Colorado in the third hour.
00:11:06.000But, uh, Politech, how to delete your child's DNA?
00:12:06.000There's a lot of interesting news and information coming up here on the show today that, well, I haven't even gotten to yet, like this one.
00:12:14.000I already mentioned it, but here's from the Washington Times.
00:12:16.000White House verifies Immigration Review that they're searching for a way to legalize all illegals in the country.
00:12:23.000And again, Tom Ridge, time to legalize the illegals.
00:12:28.000Also, terrorist acts organized by Russian secret services.
00:12:33.000Yesterday it was the British admitting right out in the open that they were bombing stuff to blame it on their enemies.
00:12:38.000And an anti-Bush drawing called Hate Speech and removed from a museum in California.
00:12:45.000And I'm looking at a picture of the painting and it's Bush standing on top of a grave or beside a grave that talks about freedom must die and it blames Bush in the text under it for carrying out 9-11.
00:13:05.000So that's hate speech and must be removed here in the good old U.S.
00:13:11.000of A. Mental health experts call sniper defendant brainwashed.
00:13:15.000They say he's been under some type of brainwashing.
00:13:21.000If you think Charlie Manson could brainwash people, what do you think the government can do?
00:13:28.000So that's just some of the news that's coming up today.
00:13:31.000Let me go ahead and get into this DNA database story first, because that's obviously very, very, very important and affects everybody.
00:13:41.000And about six years ago, I saw a federal report A listener emailed me a congressional reauthorization package for hundreds of millions of dollars to maintain the national DNA database held on everyone in this country.
00:14:06.000And that's been going on for roughly, well we're going to go into the 33rd year in the new year.
00:14:14.000These states are mandated, it's not even a law, but if they get their state health department funding, which goes on down to the county, then they have to take three ampules of blood from the heel of your newborn baby.
00:14:34.000And it is true that the county takes the blood and puts it on a splotch test and tests for blood diseases.
00:14:42.000It's an inexpensive test and the hospital could do it, but they don't.
00:14:48.00033 years ago, these states came to the local hospitals with the health department and said, here's a new health department regulation.
00:14:56.000You were to take three ampoules of blood and no longer do the blood testing here at your hospital.
00:15:04.000And the hospital said, sure, we follow whatever your guidelines are.
00:15:09.000And it's not a law, it's the guidelines.
00:15:12.000And so they started giving the ampoules of blood to the county health department.
00:15:18.000Now why did the county need three jiggers of blood?
00:15:22.000Why did they need three capsules, three ampoules, three packets of your child's blood?
00:15:31.000I have the official federal document from the reauthorization six years ago.
00:15:38.000They reauthorize funding every year for it.
00:15:41.000They take the blood and one goes to the county for testing, another goes to the state, and another goes to the federal government.
00:15:55.000And about 30 years ago, from England to Canada to Australia to New Zealand, what I call the echelon group of countries, they all do things in the same order, under the same names in many cases.
00:16:06.000In the last year, we've had a congressman on from Virginia about the subject.
00:16:32.000Everybody under about 32 We have your blood in this Australian national database and so we can use it to identify the bodies!
00:16:47.000And then at the bottom of the article it said, oh and there's a discussion of using it for all crimes now and having a national DNA database it would save so many people.
00:17:12.000They start the National DNA Database 30 plus years ago, all over the western world, or the echelon group of countries as I call them, and you tell your doctor, I don't want you taking the blood and sending it off to the feds.
00:17:41.000Parents with children born in the state of Michigan.
00:17:44.000This is from Declan McCullough's website.
00:17:46.000Again, a writer for CNET News, Washington Post, Wired Magazine.
00:17:51.000Parents with children born in the state of Michigan can request that their children's blood samples be destroyed.
00:17:58.000When our son, Dylan, was born at the University of Michigan Hospital, the blood sample was taken without parental consent and over my explicit objections.
00:18:06.000Two techs who work for the state drew the blood sample, placed five drops on the top of a carefully marked card, and left without giving us discharge instructions.
00:18:17.000Uh, or left without speaking to anyone else.
00:18:20.000Several doctors came in ahead of the techs, began giving us discharge instructions at the time the sample was taken, and Trouble reading the small print.
00:18:29.000And they stood in my way as I tried to approach Dylan.
00:18:33.000They couldn't understand how I would mind that a blood sample was being gathered by the state.
00:18:38.000Merely saying that it's required by law and that it doesn't hurt too much, they later gave me several pamphlets explaining the importance of newborn screening.
00:18:49.000Indeed it is, but I can ask my doctor to do it myself.
00:18:54.000I spoke with Harry Hawkins of the Michigan Department of Community Health, who assured me that the samples were kept at an undisclosed warehouse Which was locked behind a chain link fence and that they would be destroyed after 21 years.
00:19:08.000However, he agreed to destroy the sample and both parents requested it.
00:19:13.000His mother and I sent Harry Hawkins a letter stating, please destroy all samples of our son's blood.
00:19:20.000If any identifying data such as DNA fingerprint has been obtained from the sample, please destroy that data also.
00:19:27.000And then there's all the required details below.
00:19:29.000I later received a notarized form indicating that the blood sample had been destroyed and witnessed.
00:19:35.000There was no mention of any DNA information, but I have no reason to believe that they gathered any, so I don't intend to pursue the matter further.
00:19:43.000Well, you're naive, Harry C. Hawkins, in the story.
00:19:47.000That's okay, at least you're concerned.
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00:24:10.000They have to have a warrant to come into your house and take one of your magazines, or take some of your files, or take your silverware, or to test your carpet, or to look in your basement for marijuana plant.
00:24:32.000But, when your baby's born, the doctors just sit there, the nurses just sit there sucking ampules of blood out, sending it off to a federal slash international database, it's stored in a state database, the health department does destroy the sample, they actually do the blood test.
00:24:51.000Why is the health department doing the blood test?
00:24:53.000It started 30 plus years ago to get them into your life, as an excuse to get a hold of the blood, federally funded.
00:25:10.000Well, they can do medical experiments with it.
00:25:14.000They admit that some of these samples have been bought by big pharmacological companies.
00:25:19.000And there's been a Supreme Court ruling, a Ninth Circuit court ruling as well that I've seen the last few years, where they rule that Medical institutions can sell your blood samples, and that if an institution, if a scientific firm makes a breakthrough with a protein or a gene in your blood, you don't own it, they own it.
00:27:14.000I say Echelon because I first noted that all these countries do the same thing in the same order with Echelon back in the 60's and it's right through to today.
00:27:23.000We have Head Start, they have Smart Start in England.
00:27:38.000We need to, if you ever get arrested for a parking ticket or whatever, even get ticketed, we want to take your blood or your cheek swab for a DNA database.
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00:33:34.000To come in your house and to look for drugs or whatever, they gotta have a warrant.
00:33:40.000Or to come in your business and get records, they gotta have a warrant.
00:33:43.000To take a bean out of a bag of beans in your pantry, they have to have a warrant.
00:33:52.000To take a speck of dust off the floor, they have to have a warrant.
00:33:55.000But not to take your child's blood, they illegally take it and do this, and it's an admitted fact, and the average person has no idea about this.
00:34:06.000But more and more news stories come out about it as the government goes, yeah, we have it, we ought to just make it a national DNA database.
00:34:16.000Now they think you're dumb enough to accept this.
00:34:19.000And the FBI and local police all over the country have been caught framing everybody up one side and down the other with fake DNA and the rest of it.
00:34:27.000Planting blood, taking blood from suspects, and going and planting it at the scene.
00:34:31.000They don't have to do that with this new DNA database, folks.
00:34:35.000Do you understand they've been caught doing it?
00:34:39.000What an illustration of how outrageous this is.
00:34:41.000You know, it's like pulling up to your house and criminals have got a van out front loading your TV sets and DVD players and computers and jewelry up in the back and you run over and go, what are you doing?
00:34:53.000I'm calling the police and they go, hey buddy, back off!
00:35:48.000Strange people who might have al-Qaeda leanings.
00:35:55.000We never said it wouldn't be used against terrorism.
00:35:59.000It's just that you didn't look at the definition of terrorism, they say.
00:36:03.000Topless bars, county commissioners in bid rigging for zoning, pot dealers.
00:36:10.000We're going to use it for everything now.
00:36:14.000This is what they're doing, but a new article from Declan McCullough, a posting from Declan McCullough, again, writer for CNET News, Wired Magazine, about, yeah, you call up the Michigan Health Department, they admit they're keeping your baby's blood for decades and decades, but forget that database, it's the federal one, folks!
00:36:34.000And no one's really talking about this.
00:36:36.000The last few years since I started pushing it, I've seen a few news stories about it, But, just, it's such an illustration of, you know, you go, you have a child, you talk to the doctors, you say, do the blood test here.
00:37:01.000It's all color of law, like all of this trash.
00:37:04.000And if we just accept it, it'll become like the driver's license.
00:37:07.000Did you know you didn't have to have a driver's license in this country?
00:37:10.000The Supreme Court ruled in 1918 that the general and regular conveyance, you don't have to have a license, but at that time it was a horse and buggy.
00:37:19.000You still don't need a license to have a horse and buggy going down the highway.
00:38:06.000You know, it's just real funny, isn't it?
00:38:10.000And you got cops driving around all over the place that think they're enforcing the law, and doing their job, and you guys don't even know what the Bill of Rights is.
00:42:27.000Saddam could stand around with 10,000 people around him with AK-47s and no one was shooting.
00:42:33.000Yeah, and he was frustrated because that big news story came out over here about how the morale was suffering in the troops.
00:42:41.000And so he said that his unit was ordered not to speak to the press.
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00:42:50.000And he said, they're trying to take away our own freedom of speech, and they won't let us talk about what's really going on over here.
00:42:55.000Well, Cindy, they have ordered, according to the Associated Press, the Iraqi governorship to not report with their health department Numbers of dead civilians from starvation, bombs, you name it.
00:43:10.000And so that's the freedom we're bringing.
00:43:12.000Before we heard about the million and a half dead Iraqis from the sanctions, now we won't hear about it.
00:43:21.000And, you know, it makes me sick to listen to these conservative people like Sean Hannity on the radio kissing Bush's butt and talking about how great it is and how we went to this war for a good cause.
00:43:34.000And nobody's willing to publicize what our own soldiers are saying.
00:43:51.000The major Canadian papers, major US papers, have reported that the 4th Communist International, Congressman Ron Paul gave a speech on this, survives in the administration and is running the administration.
00:44:03.000I don't care how nuts that sounds, that is Ron Paul in the floor of the House, in a 47 minute speech, that is the Canada Post, that is, type, type into a search engine, the ghost of Trotsky walks the halls of the White House.
00:46:06.000You were talking a few moments ago about the government taking the blood samples from youngsters.
00:46:13.000Is it totally just newborns that they're trying to do that from, or are they using whatever other sources they can to get as much as they can from the general populace?
00:47:16.000It's for... It's to make sure you're not smoking cigarettes, to make sure you're not, you know, Drunk when they come do it to make sure you're not on cocaine.
00:47:29.000I know there's a DNA database, we have the documents, the news articles, on the children, on everybody born.
00:47:36.000I don't know, I know that some hospitals have been caught selling blood samples Two genetic engineering firms, when they come out with patents, they've been sued on stuff they got from the blood, and the Supreme Court and another federal court have ruled, you don't own your own blood.
00:47:52.000So I know that sometimes they're selling it.
00:48:01.000Something else too, that real quickly, I have in the last week or two, I try usually if I don't get to hear the program in the During the daytime, I try to catch it at night on the rebroadcast,
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01:00:25.000In the third hour of this show, we've got Congressman Tom Tancredo coming on to talk about Bush and Homeland Security dictator Ridge saying, hey, total legalization.
01:00:38.000The White House now made it official yesterday.
01:00:40.000Yeah, we want total legalization of all illegals.
01:00:50.000It's basically what it's come to in this country if you're a filthy neocon.
01:00:54.000Coming up, we're going to get into CIA assassination squads with one of the premier experts, Douglas Valentine, and that's in the next segment.
01:01:04.000Right now, let's go back to the calls.
01:01:07.000Let's talk to Laura in Alabama, then Robert, Stan, and others.
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01:01:23.000You can download a bunch of material in there, and a lot of it can be mailed to the state legislatures in your own state, the governor, the secretary of state, and the state attorney general.
01:01:33.000I need to get Bernadine Smith back on.
01:01:37.000She probably explained some of this on many of her shows.
01:01:41.000One of the articles is how our government was taken over, and a lot of material on unconstitutional federal activities, and the ability of the states to override the federal government.
01:02:41.000I don't know if it's too late to mail this material out and get the congressman and the governor to say, we're not going to take this anymore.
01:02:51.000It's never too late to fight back against tyranny.
01:02:54.000If people like you and Bernadine Smith and myself and others weren't out there fighting, we'd be in a lot worse trouble right now.
01:03:00.000I think the states have to take united action on their own, individual states, to correct the problem.
01:03:05.000One state may be ahead of another, and Tennessee is ahead of Alabama.
01:03:09.000And, uh, we're working on Georgia and Florida right now.
01:03:11.000There's some people down there they have to work within their own state.
01:03:15.000Each state has to work... The people that are in each state have to work with their own, uh, legislators.
01:03:21.000We need to repeal gun laws, not have more of them passed.
01:03:26.000That's right, and the Second Amendment should, uh, cancel out anything that comes I agree with you.
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01:08:55.000And if you're saying, oh no, the jet fuel did it.
01:08:57.000Well, the firefighters said the fires were almost out.
01:09:00.000They were up there in the floors that were hit by the aircraft.
01:09:03.000Bush declared national security on that, ordered him not to talk.
01:09:06.000That's been in the New York Daily News.
01:09:07.000Grabbed the audio traffic tapes, not before a transcript was released of the radio transmissions, the emergency transmission transcripts, with the firefighter saying there were bombs in there, and then reporting that explosions were going off.
01:10:13.000Also, I know you're having Congressman Tan Credo on here, and I have some major problems with the Congressman.
01:10:19.000Um, when he's going against the illegal aliens, but then he did a telethon for them, a fundraiser for an illegal alien family and raised them a quarter of a million dollars for a child's opera.
01:10:31.000See, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but I'm in Denver.
01:10:34.000I, uh, I'm just, I just think he's a total fake and a phony and he's trying to get reelected any way he can now because he's on the clear channel network plugging for himself saying, oh, I made a terrible mistake.
01:10:45.000Well, if you're making mistakes like that, Congressman, we don't need you in office.
01:10:50.000We need people that are serious about this country.
01:10:53.000Let me get in before you, Alex, real quick.
01:10:56.000I look at his legislation that he puts in.
01:10:58.000It's a lot of school legislation, like the lockdown you just saw in South Carolina.
01:11:02.000He's promoting that kind of school legislation after Columbine.
01:11:11.000I think for him to come on this radio show is kind of a shill, and he really needs to explain to you and the listeners what he is exactly doing.
01:11:20.000I suggest you call back when he's on with us.
01:11:23.000I mean, I just want, if I'm not able to, just ask him a couple tough questions, like why he did a fundraiser and raised a fundraiser for an illegal alien for some organs.
01:12:07.000What are these Senators in Texas and Arizona and New Mexico doing?
01:12:10.000I don't understand what's going on here and why nobody in politics is doing anything about it.
01:12:16.000Well I thought about doing a broadcast in front of the Mexican Consulate next week concerning the kidnapping of five American citizens by Mexican troops and the news media almost completely ignoring it.
01:13:08.000And back in 1990, he wrote the book, The Phoenix Project.
01:13:11.000And he has some new breaking news on CIA assassin teams.
01:13:15.000And we've seen the media He's preparing the ground, softening us up on shows like 24, where the CIA torture leader, played by Keither Sutherland, tortures and kills everybody, and he's such a good guy because he does it.
01:13:28.000On the show Threat Matrix, torture is on every episode.
01:13:35.000If you're a drug dealer, you're arrested for terrorism, your children are taken.
01:13:39.000All over the media, all over the culture, they're selling this to us, and they're torturing people in Afghanistan and Iraq, at Guantanamo Bay, they're torturing them to death.
01:13:47.000This is all admitted, they fly into Egypt, and other countries for torture, and it is pure evil.
01:13:53.000Our government took Joseph Mingla in, he helped train the CIA in torture, helped set up what is the School of America today, Klaus Barbie dealt drugs for them, Bardo Ron Braun ran our missiles, but joining us is Douglas Valentine.
01:14:07.000Douglas, thanks for coming on the show.
01:14:08.000Well, you're very welcome, and thank you for inviting me on.
01:14:12.000Tell us a little bit about yourself and your background, as I would call you a great journalist, and what the CIA's up to with hit teams, and how this is being sold now, coming out in the open with the American people.
01:14:25.000Okay, just quickly, I wrote my first book about my father, who was a prisoner of war in World War II at a Japanese camp, and so I got to learn About the harsh realities of war, a soldier fighting the Japanese in World War II learned all about that, and being a prisoner of the Japanese, he was in an extraordinary situation, and he survived.
01:14:55.000He came out with a feeling of affinity more with Vietnam veterans.
01:15:04.000Which he developed over the years with World War II veterans, because his experience as a prisoner of war in a Japanese camp wasn't something that he could talk about.
01:15:16.000And I got interested, after I wrote that book about my father being a prisoner of war, I got interested in, well, what really happened in Vietnam?
01:15:27.000What were the secret operations that went on?
01:15:31.000And I started poking around, and I went to a veterans hospital in New Hampshire where I live, and I asked the director, well, do you have any Vietnam veterans here who are involved in secret operations?
01:15:42.000And he said, I got a guy who was in the Phoenix program, and I had never heard about that.
01:15:48.000And I asked if I could interview the guy, and he said he'd set it up, but the guy wouldn't talk to me.
01:15:55.000He was afraid that if he talked to me about being in Phoenix, that the government would take away his veterans' benefits.
01:16:02.000I mean, why would a... And this guy's been in Special Forces.
01:16:06.000Why would a vet... Why are veterans, why were veterans, people who were in the Army and fought for the country, so afraid about telling the truth about this Phoenix program thing?
01:16:15.000Well, let me just stop you for a second.
01:16:17.000I can't say much about this on air because it involves family.
01:16:22.000And you know Admiral Moore went public about the nerve gas on the carriers dropped by the jets.
01:16:27.000If our troops were captured they would just nerve gas them?
01:16:32.000But I've talked to people, family, who were in Vietnam, on missions into Laos, and watching other missions going on, that they witnessed, where they were told to put on their gas masks, where they were Operation Sawdust, dusting, and I can't say much more about that.
01:16:53.000You know what Moore said on the record, but go ahead.
01:16:56.000Well, what we're doing is, what's happening, and it's been happening since the Vietnam War, Is through this operations like the Phoenix Program, in which the CIA sent soldiers, U.S.
01:17:08.000Army soldiers, out into the field to assassinate civilians.
01:17:13.000Okay, that's what the Phoenix Program was about.
01:17:16.000It was created by the CIA in 1967, and it was run by the CIA by itself for the first two years, but in 1969 they started bringing in regular soldiers.
01:17:29.000And the job was to go out and to assassinate the civilians who were leading the insurgency.
01:17:36.000Now, one congressman likened it to Lincoln sending soldiers into the South to assassinate the mayors of Macon, Georgia, and all the other cities.
01:17:48.000I mean, you know, assassinating politicians in time of war, which is what the Germans did in France and stuff, is a war crime.
01:17:56.000All right, and the whole Phoenix Program concept is based on the idea that the only way you can really destroy your enemy is capacity to fight it, to go out and kill the civilians who are leading the insurgency or whatever.
01:18:17.000This is what Rumsfeld supposedly has just proposed to start doing in Iraq.
01:18:23.000Well, we know they've always been doing it.
01:18:26.000And now they're putting barbed wire around whole towns.
01:18:32.000Yeah, and these are things that are being done by soldiers.
01:18:34.000Now, since Vietnam, what's been happening is we've been creating a culture, and you hit the nail right on the head when you said torture and assassination are becoming de rigueur.
01:18:49.000You know, I mean, it's like It's like chic now to be a torturer or an assassin.
01:18:54.000Slowly, over the last 20-30 years, the American population has been propagandized to believe that it's okay for us to go out and do these things.
01:19:07.000And my point in writing this book about the Phoenix Program and trying to wake people up about it is that what happens is that the average soldiers who get 19, 20, 21-year-old boys And now girls, who get caught up in this stuff, and they're like, are sent into Iraq, and they're told to put bombed wire around villages, and put bullets on the heads of civilians, and demolish their homes, and to assassinate them in the middle of the night.
01:19:35.000This is gonna screw them up for the rest of their lives!
01:19:39.000When they come out of the military, and they come back home, Stay there, sir.
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01:24:17.000He's an expert on the Phoenix Project and government torture and the twisting of our government and our people.
01:24:25.000And he got into studying torture and this stuff because he wrote a book about his father who was a prisoner of war in a Japanese prison camp, and they were extremely brutal, but I guess by American standards now, it's a patriotic, loving, good thing to do what they did.
01:24:39.000Of course, I'm being sarcastic, and he mentioned before the break, these people are coming home.
01:24:44.000Remember, four members of a Delta Force unit came back from Afghanistan?
01:24:55.000Uh, I guess if you're against murdering the wives, you're for Al-Qaeda.
01:24:58.000I mean, this is kind of where the whole mindset goes.
01:25:01.000And, uh, they're finding either the sociopaths or the psychopaths or the well-meaning Dudley Do-Rights to do this, who then break down later in life.
01:25:10.000Uh, and we've had a lot of calls to this show by a lot of people on the street.
01:25:16.000If you were involved in Phoenix Project or other projects, you want to get involved on air, or you know people who were, or you saw this in Vietnam, or some of the other covert actions in Latin America, 1-800-259-9231.
01:25:51.000I wrote a book, this book called The Phoenix Program, in 1990.
01:25:56.000And the last few sentences in my introduction, This book is about terror and its role in political warfare.
01:26:05.000It will show how, as successive American governments sink deeper and deeper into the vortex of covert operations to combat terrorism and communist insurgencies, the American people gradually lose touch with the democratic ideals that once defined their national self-concept.
01:26:25.000This book asks, what happens when Phoenix comes home to Roots?
01:26:31.000Phoenix has come home, in a big way, and the Bush regime has now said that the Phoenix program, which is this idea of going out and assassinating civilians, not soldiers, but the civilians that we don't like, It's going to be the main weapon in the global war on terrorism.
01:26:51.000Well, they've also said they're getting rid of Posse Common Tautus, the head of NORTHCOM.
01:27:07.000Well, Douglas, I have a London Guardian yesterday where MI5 has now been caught red-handed carrying out most of the bombings in England to blame it on their enemies.
01:27:17.000You know, take the movie The Quiet American, where they're blowing stuff up to blame it on their enemies.
01:27:23.000I wrote an article about, a review about, you know, when the movie came out, The Quiet American was one of my favorite books, and for the people who don't know, it was the CIA in 1954 that was Setting off bombs in Saigon and blaming it on the Communists so that the military could come in and intervene.
01:27:43.000And it's not just MI5, I mean, this is the thing that the CIA does best.
01:27:47.000By the way, did you know the government pressured the makers of that to cut some scenes out?
01:27:53.000Yeah, well, they got their point across, thank God.
01:27:56.000You know, and there's a lot of pressure.
01:27:58.000And here, every book, it's hard, it's really incredibly hard for writers and journalists nowadays to tell the truth, because the CIA, through the Homeland
01:28:10.000Security apparatus, has wormed its way into the film industry and the book industry, and
01:28:18.000every avenue that Americans once had of expressing their individuality is now being
01:29:12.000Because every day, the government's getting more and more powerful, and the individual society It's losing more and more rights to fight back.
01:29:23.000Uh, Doug, wasn't it, uh, Phoenix where they had the old zoo, using it to torture people?
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01:33:35.000Corrupt police for many years have tortured people for confessions, and now it's just becoming part of our culture, the mass twisting of our minds.
01:33:44.000But another example is a lot of your major metropolitan police departments, starting with LA and New York in the 60s, were taken over by the CIA.
01:34:21.000Now, for listeners that want to talk about this, people that were involved in this, people that have points they want to add, or questions they have for Douglas Valentine, we're going to take your calls here in a few minutes on this live Friday edition 1-800-259-9231.
01:35:08.000We've lost touch with our identity as people who once The one thing that once made America great is that people thought they could get a fair shake here.
01:35:18.000They ran away from despotic countries where they were under the heel of dictators and they didn't have a vote or whatever, and they came to the United States because they thought they could get a fair shake here.
01:35:30.000And even if they were, you know, for a first generation or two, you know, laughed at because they had an Italian accent or something, eventually they got into, you know, and they became part of American society, and it was worth
01:35:46.000But all that started to change when we created the CIA.
01:36:36.000That became institutionalized in the Phoenix program.
01:36:40.000The Phoenix program in Vietnam was based on two foundation stones.
01:36:44.000Well, let's go back to the zoo and the torture, because that's a foundation stone.
01:36:48.000Well, that was something that the CIA... Yeah, I mean, there was a zoo in Saigon, and they had in one of the administrative buildings there a basement.
01:36:59.000And because they wanted... That's where the CIA initially carried out Well, in league with the secret police who work for the DM, that's where they carried out their secret interrogation so that nobody would know what was going on.
01:37:15.000I mean, the whole thing has to be done in secret.
01:37:18.000You pick somebody up in the middle of the night, you know, you scarf them up, you take them to one of these places, you work them over until he rats out his friends or he becomes a double agent, or he dies!
01:37:31.000But then, that place wasn't big enough.
01:37:34.000To handle everybody that they were scarfing up.
01:37:37.000So, starting in 1964, what the CIA did was it built a secret interrogation center in every province in Vietnam, and there were 44 provinces, and they were like a state in the United States.
01:37:50.000And as a footnote, you can be sure the same thing's going on right now in the United States, through FEMA and the CIA.
01:37:56.000They're building their own secret interrogation centers right here.
01:38:00.000But anyway, Those province interrogation centers were staffed by CIA officers, and they were one of the foundation stones of the Phoenix program.
01:38:11.000That's where people were brought to be interrogated, and then, based on the information that they got out of these people, they would send out the hit teams, and the hit teams were the other foundation stones.
01:38:26.000In 1971, a really tough congressman from California named Pete McCloskey went to Vietnam.
01:38:33.000McCloskey had been in the Korean War, and he barged his way into one of these CIA interrogation centers, and some tough CIA guy tried to intimidate McCloskey, and McCloskey just laughed at him.
01:38:45.000You know, he'd been in combat, and he didn't care.
01:38:47.000Anyway, and that's when the truth came tumbling out about these interrogation centers that
01:38:53.000the CIA had set up all over South Vietnam, and which of course they're setting up all
01:38:58.000over Iraq, and Afghanistan, and everywhere else.
01:39:02.000And at the time, McCloskey held congressional hearings in 1971, and he said that what the
01:39:08.000CIA was doing violated the Geneva Convention, which guarantees civilians due process during
01:39:19.000And now the enemy combatant Patriot Act 1 and 2, Victory Act 1 and 2, which whether it's
01:39:24.000passed or not, it's all being implemented, the only passed piece of legislation.
01:39:27.000That's right! Not only are we taking away due process rights for...
01:39:32.000And when Hirsch came out with his article last week in the New Yorker that the Phoenix program is going to be
01:39:38.000implemented in Iraq, that's what they've done. They've decided to take away due
01:39:44.000process for half the people, if not all the people, in Iraq.
01:39:48.000But see, now, also, if you notice the nomenclature, everybody, the governments attacking and fighting aren't
01:39:55.000enemy forces, they're now terrorists, so, oh, they're under the new
01:39:59.000definition, they're lower than human, they're subhuman in Iraq, we had them...
01:40:04.000Uh, killing a bunch of people, but in Afghanistan, they'd pack thousands in containers, half would die from supplication, they'd line them up and shoot them, 3,000, 2,000 at a time.
01:40:13.000They admit they've got interrogation centers, they're bringing dead bodies out every week.
01:40:21.000And in Vietnam, anybody was a terrorist who ended up on the CIA's Phoenix blacklist.
01:40:26.000Now, that could be, if you were a policeman, or you had a friend who was a policeman, It could be your neighbor because his dog was pissing on your yard.
01:40:35.000You know, all of a sudden, you're mad at him, so you become an informant and you tell the police, well, yeah, my neighbor's a terrorist.
01:40:42.000So his name goes on the blacklist, and boom, he's gone.
01:41:05.000No, no, no, that's fine sir, I apologize for even having to gripe at you.
01:41:08.000But listen, uh, fast forwarding through the history of this now, through today, because I want to go to some calls.
01:41:18.000Fast-forwarding through the history, so we have this in Vietnam, McCloskey comes in and complains, shoves the thugs aside, comes back, talks about the Geneva Convention, fast-forwarding the day.
01:41:28.000The CIA completely countered his arguments by saying that the Geneva Conventions only
01:41:35.000apply to sentencing for crimes, and they don't prohibit a state from interning civilians
01:41:42.000or subjecting them to emergency detention when such measures are necessary for the security
01:42:31.000Yeah, well, and as soon as we have the next incident, and whether it's a Ferran, you know, breakout in a subway, or it's another bombing somewhere, and this next event, whatever it is, is preordained.
01:43:51.000I don't mean to digress from what you and your guest are discussing, but Alex, I've got a question for you.
01:43:58.000When was the last time you tried to fly, you know, cross-country to another state, you know, obviously in a plane, you know, and get a ticket?
01:44:06.000My point is, and please forgive me, because I love what you're doing, but my first inclination is, how do we know you're not working from the inside for these people?
01:46:11.000A Fed doesn't get on the air for nine years, make powerful films, Exposing the terrorism of the military-industrial complex, doesn't do thousands of radio interviews on other stations, doesn't tell people that they have to be leaders, and to take over the grassroots, and to remove the electronic voting machines, and to say no to the vaccines, and to eat organic food.
01:46:35.000Feds, and if you look at all the stings they've done, because it always comes out after they do it, they sneak around stirring up distrust, Getting people to build pipe bombs so they can bust them.
01:46:48.000A Fed doesn't get on an alternative radio network and tell people to fight the corruption and to get involved and that you have power and that you can affect change.
01:48:42.000They don't have, if they had 10 million people, to go actually listen to what you're saying.
01:48:47.000So they're announcing it as a chilling effect to try to scare you folks, okay?
01:48:52.000But yeah, if you dress up in camo, run out in the woods, and hang around with a guy that calls himself the Commander, chances are he's an FBI agent.
01:48:59.000But if you're at the City Council, fighting the Patriot Act, wearing a suit and tie, marching down the street, it is totally... Go ahead, Scott.
01:49:08.000Alex, like I said, I mean, I've only been listening for maybe a month and a half now, and I am just Overwhelmed at all the evidence.
01:49:16.000Like I said, I've never just heard anyone plain ask you that question.
01:49:20.000Yeah, but regardless if I'm a fed or not, which I'm not, you need to be a leader and stop making excuses to fight the New World Order.
01:49:28.000Okay, it's an important question, it's an annoying question, it's a stupid question if you really understand this stuff.
01:49:33.000Well, look, everybody has a First Amendment right to free speech.
01:49:37.000So people have a right to ask stupid questions.
01:49:40.000I mean, I say it's important because it needs to be answered, but at the same time, to even question me for that is stupid, because it's so obvious that it's not the case.
01:49:48.000Patrick in Texas, you're on the air, go ahead.
01:49:50.000Yes, Alex, you mentioned about South America.
01:49:53.000I lived down there from 68 to 72, and there was a Roman, there was an American there that was selling drugs, so they flew them back on X-15.
01:50:04.000We're each doctor by the name of Dr. Milton, who is passing out electric shock treatment to all kinds of people.
01:50:10.000I was walking down the steps, next thing I know, everything's black, and I wake up, and a man in the station with pills and soap, and that's it.
01:50:17.000Well, there's a lot of, uh, the CIA did a lot of kidnapping and medical testing.
01:50:21.000The founder of the American Psychological Association in Canada ran a huge CIA brainwashing operation.
01:50:32.000They had Dr. Rommel down there who came to where I live at in this town and I told him he was wanted by South American Law and they just, I don't like what you said about Dr. Rommel.
01:50:42.000And then they grabbed you and did that.
01:54:29.000I want to try to jam some of these calls in.
01:54:31.000But Doug, before we plug your book and go to these calls, I do want to remind listeners, I'm
01:54:35.000going to be in Houston, Texas tomorrow from 6 PM.
01:54:38.000to around 1130 midnight at the Alamo Draft House Cinema at the West Oak Shopping Center in West Houston.
01:54:44.000Tickets are available at Infowars.com and it's a really nice theater.
01:54:49.000I'm going to show 9-11 Road to Tyranny, take questions and answers, give a speech, and of course show the Uh, Rowdy, Rowdy Piper, uh, film, uh, that you don't want to miss.
01:55:02.000They live kind of an analogy of what we're facing.
01:55:05.000So please be there in Houston tomorrow.
01:55:07.000Go to Infowars.com or PrisonPlanet.com to get my films or to get the books I've written and the books I've published.
01:55:13.000Mr. Valentine, what books would you recommend for folks and how do they get them?
01:55:17.000planet dot com or one eight eight eight two five three
01:55:48.000Well, my first book, The Hotel Proclamation, about my father, if people want to know what it was really like for a person to have been a Japanese prisoner of camp, that's my first book, and my favorite book.
01:56:03.000The Phoenix Program book, of course, actually predicted everything that's happening today.
01:56:12.000I highly recommend that, and I have a book coming out in the spring.
01:56:16.000It's my latest book, and it's coming out in May, and it's called The Strength of the Wolf, and it's about the Bureau of Narcotics.
01:56:24.000It's a non-fiction book, and it's about the organization that preceded the DEA.
01:56:30.000It existed from 1930 to 1968, and it explains, this book explains how the intelligence and security agencies of the United States government law enforcement. Well it also had the same director from
01:56:46.000its founding until it shut down and he was a real piece of work.
01:56:49.000Harry Hinslinger from 1930 to 1962 was the commissioner of the Bureau of Narcotics. He was married to Andrew Mellon's
01:57:00.000Andrew Mellon, of course, was one of the wealthiest men in the country.
01:57:03.000And again, to boil it down, I haven't read your book, it's not out yet, but the establishment had people cutting in on their drug supplying of legal drugs, laudam and other stuff, opium, so they made it illegal to militarize things, to make it illegal and to get higher black market profits.
01:57:19.000You really, really have an incredible breadth of knowledge.
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02:00:07.000In about eight minutes, we'll have Congressman Tom Tancredo joining us to talk about the open border situation, while Ridge says give up all of our liberties doesn't make much sense unless you're the terrorist.
02:00:18.000And I'm going to have to have our guest, Douglas Valentine, back up.
02:01:53.000I don't know much about the Phoenix program, but the way I heard the story, they were killing South Vietnamese that they expected would resist the Communist takeover.
02:02:13.000That they were killing Vietnamese who were going to resist the Communist takeover?
02:02:19.000Yes, that's what I heard was the purpose of the Phoenix Program.
02:02:23.000Well, the stated purpose of the Phoenix Program was to kill the people who supported the Communists, but what happened was the Communists infiltrated the program and started putting the names of loyal citizens on the blacklist, so Everybody started getting killed.
02:02:39.000Yeah, that's the problem with a system like this.
02:02:43.000You can't rely on those that will do the torturing.
02:02:46.000And if I'm correct from what I've read, Doug, if somebody in the South Vietnamese government didn't like a business competitor, they just put their name on the list.
02:02:57.000If they wanted your good-looking wife, they'd say you were a communist.
02:03:00.000And the same thing is happening in Iraq, because Americans aren't Iraqis, and they can't go undercover And create agent nets as undercover agents.
02:03:09.000So they have to rely on Iraqis and the people that the CIA is hiring right now in Iraq as its agent force.
02:03:26.000And these people are being touted on ABC, CBS, and the New York Times as our saviors.
02:03:33.000These are the people who are going to win the war for us.
02:03:35.000Just like we hired the Nazis after World War II, now we're doing the same thing all over again.
02:03:41.000And the point is, it's totally unnecessary.
02:03:44.000If what you're doing is honest, and if what you're doing is God-fearing and correct, you have no reason to resort to torture, to assassination, or any other criminal activity.
02:03:58.000If what you're doing is right, you can stand up and you can do whatever you have to do in the full light of day.
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02:08:29.000They dropped another bombshell on us Tuesday and Wednesday, with first the administration saying, yeah, we're going to cut Taiwan loose and not defend them, telling them not to vote for independence, and then Bush came out and rebuked them with the new communist Chinese butcher premiere.
02:08:59.000I've worked with several people who claim to be serial killers for special forces in Vietnam and all the wars since, with body counts over 50, just like Governor Ventura.
02:09:11.000According to CIA Director, I believe it was Bill Colby, to U.S.
02:09:14.000Congress, the phoenix program murdered sixty thousand of our allies
02:09:18.000in south vietnam uh... by the way governor ventura about three months ago i
02:10:28.000Well, these people are traumatized, and there's tens of thousands of them all around us.
02:10:33.000And they'll talk to anybody who's willing to listen to them.
02:10:36.000Most people just will not listen to them or they block it out and say, such things can't be true, they must be making it up.
02:10:43.000But these people are willing to talk and go into great detail about what they did because that's the only way they can clear their conscience and keep their sanity.
02:10:52.000Well, I mean, I don't want to say too much about it.
02:10:54.000The family member I have was not involved in nerve gassing himself, but he was on missions into Laos where this stuff was going on, and it just calmly... and this came out three years ago in the tailwind story on CNN.
02:11:09.000He's a great guy, the former chairman and joint chief of staff.
02:11:12.000you know the jets the helicopters drop in the nerve gas if they captured our
02:11:15.000people they just nerve gasm or they'd nerve gasm the troops which is illegal to do
02:11:21.000but here i am driving along with a family member and they just oh yeah
02:11:24.000you know just start talking about it well there's a colonel now i can't remember his name but he's
02:11:29.000talking about how he's the guy that was supposedly the bad guy in apocalypse
02:11:34.000now with martin sheen and he said that
02:11:37.000the pentagon would would literally try to kill thousands of american soldiers
02:11:41.000at one time by sending in a larger force of american soldiers to kill
02:11:45.000the americans if they participate in the phoenix program properly
02:11:51.000So this wasn't just against the South Vietnamese, our allies, this was against the American soldiers.
02:11:58.000Now last year on a commercial airline flight from Portland, Oregon to Dallas, Texas, I coincidentally was assigned a seat next to a family member of an Oregon state police officer.
02:12:09.000This was the daughter of a state trooper and he was also a military police officer recalled from retirement to go into the new Gulf War.
02:12:16.000They basically wouldn't let him out of retirement.
02:12:22.000That is official, by the way, listeners.
02:12:25.000People who have been out for 15 years, they get recalled, it's basically a draft, and then they have a stipulation, even when you sign up for a two-year or three-year sign-up with any force, any of the armed services, there's an open-ended contract to keep you in for upwards of 20 years, and they're now doing that!
02:12:45.000Well, she admitted that the Oregon police bragged that they have death camps in the National Forest of Oregon, where they currently take people to be murdered and then buried in secret.
02:12:56.000Now, they tried to play it up like, oh, this was, you know, a bad criminal and we couldn't catch him with the law, so we had to take him out and shoot him.
02:13:03.000Well, LA had that 25 years ago with that assassination team that got caught.
02:13:44.000And there was even a local TV newscast about it.
02:13:47.000I'm not trying to scare you folks, but this is really happening.
02:13:51.000Well, since I'm a veteran, I was able to confirm a lot of what she said.
02:13:54.000And the fact that she was a stripper only verified her inside knowledge of gangsters and organized crime, since strip clubs are notorious for laundering profits from drug dealers who own the strip clubs.
02:14:05.000In other words, they're mid-level distributors for the CIA.
02:14:10.000Think about how disgusting that is, though.
02:14:12.000So she was bragging about the death camps.
02:14:53.000We did get a conviction for murder and later on kidnapping.
02:14:56.000Then the DA fired the prosecutor after a 17-year career, and the killer was released three years before his first parole date.
02:15:04.000The killer, the two-time convicted killer, now works inside the DA's office as a paid informant, uh, narcing on a few of his, uh, customers.
02:15:12.000Well, the FBI's been caught coast-to-coast running the hitch and putting innocent people in prison.
02:15:20.000Yes, I was just reading an article on the World Socialist website about how the media has, about two months ago, started this campaign to justify concentration camps and terror and assassination of people.
02:15:34.000Yeah, that was posted last week on InfoWars.
02:15:37.000The inside memo is about start warming people up for martial law.
02:15:41.000Yeah, this article was pointing out that as much as the government is responsible, the New York Times, the Washington Post, Jim Hoagland, Max Boot and others are being trotted out all over the media.
02:15:53.000The New York Times have been advocating torture as the method for crushing the insurgency.
02:15:58.000They're bringing out this old Vietnam phoenix assassination program.
02:16:03.000This Max Boot was quoted in the New York Times of reprising the phoenix assassination program.
02:16:11.000The rationalization for it that was used during the Vietnam War that the guerrillas used the idea of the Uh, uh, idea that they had to be up by and from the people and swim among the sea of the people.
02:16:23.000So, uh, the, uh, turn that around and say that the sea of the people have to be killed, have to be assassinated, have to be, uh, tortured and terrorized and to, uh, uh, stop supporting the, uh, the insurgents and- Which, by the way, they know will backfire.
02:16:37.000The plan is to send the leftists in the UN in as the saviors.
02:17:19.000I mean, I take about 50 to 70 people a day in my taxi, and I don't mind dishing out five bucks a tape and just letting people know, you know, guy, I'm a naturalized citizen.
02:17:30.000I fell in love with the constitution of this country.
02:17:32.000I read something that Thomas Jefferson told all of us long time ago, Mr. Jones, is that never allow financial institutions to overtake your government.
02:17:52.000That's what they did in the 70s and 80s, is they created the terror teams, they created the Taliban, they created the Al-Qaeda, they still control them, and now they're oppressing the people, putting the warlords in charge, and now they want to turn America into Afghanistan, turn America into Iraq.
02:18:15.000Make it sound like some western movie name, but this is the last frontier.
02:18:19.000We're the last defense against these sons of a beast.
02:18:23.000A globalist, because if we don't do anything, I'm going to tell you something, Afghanistan, you know, I tell this to everybody, Mr. Jones, Afghanistan, the Soviets, we had this monarchy king, the Soviets fought the people around him when he realized too late, because he was a nationalist, he loved Afghanistan, it was too late.
02:18:40.000The Soviets came in with 200,000 soldiers in 1979, not a single shot was fired.
02:18:45.000Because he bought, and if people think that cannot happen in America, I think they live in a fantasy land.
02:19:08.000During the break about your great work waking folks up in the taxi cab, and I want to get the statistics from you on how many people are waking up to that.
02:19:40.000He's still in the committee meeting, but he'll be coming on with us.
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02:23:42.000Waging war on corruption. Alex Jones on the GCN radio network.
02:23:56.000Alright, Larry in Kentucky and others, we'll get to you coming up in the next segment.
02:24:02.000And again, Tom Tancredo's never done this to us before, but I know he's in a committee meeting, it must be an important vote or something, so he should be on, they said by now, but we're calling his office right now, trying to get him onto that meeting.
02:24:16.000White House verifies immigration review.
02:24:18.000The New York Times is reporting on this.
02:24:23.000The White House yesterday said a new immigration review is underway that could lead to amnesty for millions of illegal aliens living and working in the United States.
02:24:31.000Confirmation of the review came during the White House briefing just two days after Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge So during a town hall meeting at Miami, that the government had to quote, afford some kind of legal status to the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens in the country.
02:24:48.000And they've taken thousands of border patrol off, that's the actual numbers, 2,000 off the southern border alone, going to be air marshals paying them more, they're even lower in the pay of border patrol to drive folks out of there, and Tom Ridge timed to legalize illegals He wants to, quote, come to grips with it and somehow legalize all these illegal aliens.
02:25:10.000But we've got to have the government sticking a microscope down our throat, watching us.
02:25:25.000Members of Congress from both parties are pushing for the first significant increase in the size of the Al Qaeda military in 16 years.
02:25:34.000Call-ups of part-time troops from the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve to fill the ranks in Iraq have intensified the bipartisan sentiment that the Pentagon doesn't have enough troops to fight an extended war on terrorism while keeping enough well-rested, well-trained troops ready for an emergency.
02:25:51.000But the Pentagon, it says, doesn't want that.
02:25:54.000No, they want to drive our troops into submission, have them break down from fatigue, and further erode the offensive nature of the military, to roll that into the EU, and then send the UN into Iraq as the savior.
02:26:18.000Tom Tancredo is what happened for this segment and the next segment.
02:26:22.000And that was the news I was just covering.
02:26:24.000White House is back with its amnesty plan that they were promoting on the steps of the White House two weeks before 9-11 with Vicente Fox in the henhouse.
02:26:34.000And we've got Mexican troops kidnapping U.S.
02:26:52.000It was a water hearing here in Colorado.
02:26:54.000Let me tell you, you know, who was it that President Roosevelt, somebody said, out here in the West anyway, You know, whiskeys for drinking and waters for fighting.
02:27:05.000And believe me, it's a very volatile topic, just about as volatile as immigration.
02:27:13.000Well, also, Mexico's been stealing water from Texas and New Mexico.
02:28:48.000That is what is driving and fueling this thing.
02:28:51.000Well, on the Democrat side, they know that the influx of massive numbers of immigrants, both legal and illegal, mean potential voters for Democrats.
02:29:00.000On the Republican side, They look at the same phenomena, and they think of it as a massive number of cheap laborers.
02:29:07.000And so, that's why you can have 70% of the American public demanding some sort of reform, but nothing happening in the Congress.
02:29:16.000It is because the convergence of those two points of view in the parties that control our government.
02:29:22.000I'll tell you what, Congressman, do one more segment with us, quick three-minute break, and we'll be back with Congressman Tom Tancredo if his cell doesn't cut out.
02:29:33.000We're on the march, the empire's on the run.
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02:33:07.000First off, Bush, I wouldn't say is throwing in the towel, or Red isn't throwing in the towel, Congressman, because right before 9-11 when you were saying terrorists could attack us with the borders, Bush is with Fox saying open the borders, it's the free trade area of the Americas, Pan American Union, New World Order, And now Ridge says we've got to legalize them.
02:33:26.000Well, 800 cities have already done it, accepting these fake matricula cards.
02:33:30.000I've had the leader of the Colorado Senate on, Congressman, who had his staff go out and get four of these cards, one person, under different names.
02:33:42.000So what do we do about Bush, who's already said you're targeted by the neocons in human events and in roll call because they don't like you because you're a real conservative.
02:33:57.000You just do what you need to do to the White House and anybody else.
02:34:02.000Look, when I take an oath of office, every two years, if I'm lucky enough to be elected to the Congress of the United States, and I'm down on the floor of the House, I put my hand up in the air and I take an oath.
02:34:14.000And you know that that oath is not to the President of the United States, and it is not to the party, it is to the Constitution.
02:34:22.000And I'll tell you right now, that that oath means more to me than any allegiance that I have, which I do have, both to the President and the Republican Party.
02:34:31.000But I have a greater allegiance to the Constitution in this country.
02:34:34.000So I don't care what anyone does as a result of my devotion to that cause, I will do exactly what I'm doing.
02:34:47.000I say, you know, as long as I do what I believe I should do and what I think he wants me to do on this planet, then that's the only one I'm really accountable to.
02:34:56.000Well, Congressman, what do we do when the Republican and the Democratic parties ignore the Constitution, ignore our security, ignore our sovereignty, ignore the will of the people, And they're getting rid of the border right now, as you've said.
02:35:18.000I'm telling you that I have seen now, in the last maybe six, eight months, a momentum shift.
02:35:25.000Alex, I guarantee you that if you wouldn't have been doing what you're doing, and the other talk show hosts around this country that care, and the internet wasn't there, and Fox News, I guarantee you by now we would have already had a complete and total amnesty, we would have had a formal change in terms of the way in which our borders are constructed, and that has been stopped.
02:35:49.000And not only has it been stopped, but I get the distinct impression that this is This total thing is moving more in our direction.
02:35:58.000So the best defense is a good offense, the Bushes are now, because they're in trouble, are trying to throw it back in our face and get the momentum by trying to call for amnesty again?
02:36:08.000Well, I'll tell you that the, that balloon I think that they set up there, and I don't know, I still don't know right now, it's hard for me to believe that that was a purposeful I'm going to really float this idea that as the Secretary of Homeland Security, as an agenda item for this administration, that we're going to have amnesty.
02:36:29.000I have the impression, after reading it, in fact it came about in a series of questions after he spoke, that I think he He actually blew it.
02:37:31.000And I'll tell you right now, they're not going to get an amnesty bill passed him.
02:37:34.000I don't think they're going to get one passed Mr. Sensenbrenner.
02:37:37.000And I'd be surprised even if the Speaker of the House would agree to have a bill come up like that because he knows what happened the last time.
02:37:45.000When that happened, they brought one up, it damn near tore our conference apart.
02:37:49.000Okay, here's the problem, Congressman.
02:38:51.000Why is it that these people who are achieving greater rights, not only in the area you just described, but let me point out something else.
02:39:03.000There are two groups of people in this country that have access to all of the health care benefits they need, regardless of whether or not they're able to pay for them.
02:39:46.000I saw the MRI machine inside a detention center.
02:39:50.000You can have these folks go through and if they come up with cancer, they're sent to an oncologist.
02:39:57.000I guarantee you that I have people in my district who do not have the same access to healthcare that we provide both prisoners Well, Congressman, I have a friend who had to sell his car to pay his $4,000 MRI bill.
02:40:27.000Oh man, I'll tell you, it does drive you nuts, but I also mean it when I tell you I believe there is some momentum on
02:40:33.000our side. I do. All we can do is what we can do.
02:40:36.000You know, Alex, the fact is that every single person in America is charged with, you know, some responsibility in this effort.
02:40:45.000And what an individual can do around the water cooler at work, the way they vote, when they are confronting a city council person, or the President of the United States asking for their vote, what you do is you say, what are you going to do about This problem with immigration in this country.
02:41:00.000And don't just say illegal immigration.
02:41:03.000Because, I'll tell you right now, the problem is immigration, both legal and illegal.
02:41:07.000Well, they're going to make it all legal, so we better start talking about legal now.
02:41:12.000If you just simply say, well, if the problem is with illegal immigration, I'm all for immigration, but illegal, they will simply say, fine, everybody coming into the country is here legally.
02:42:15.000There's no penalty that is meted out to anybody for violating it.
02:42:19.000You know, there's a law that says that no state or local government can impede the flow of information from the INS or to the old INS.
02:42:27.000But of course, Houston is flagrantly violating that law.
02:42:32.000Cities, there must be 400 cities in this nation that are doing that.
02:42:36.000It's 800, 400 cities is about another 400 towns, yeah.
02:42:39.000Towns, okay, so you got 800 communities in the United States of America flagrantly violating that federal law.
02:42:46.000I went to the floor of the House and tried to add an amendment to it, the Homeland Security Act, saying that any city doing that couldn't apply for any funds.
02:42:54.000I mean, trying to put some sort of, you know, Well, Congressman, it goes deeper.
02:43:29.000out or fine them. Now why are even the corporations, and now understand this corporation quietly
02:43:36.000just made a third of their housing, that is within a unit, a third of it government housing,
02:43:41.000but they're not going to tell the tenants you're now moving into quasi-governmental
02:43:44.000housing and the feds, they said, have told us to let the illegals in. Number one, were
02:43:49.000you aware of that? No sir, I wasn't. I had never heard of that. I'm not telling you,
02:43:57.000This conversation is making me even more upset than I was when I started it.
02:44:04.000Also, you said something on the lead-in that I heard, something about Mexican Army Mexican military kidnapping American citizens or something?
02:45:27.000I keep saying that every time I call, like if I call the Department of State and I say, I need to talk to somebody about a problem in Afghanistan.
02:45:36.000They always say, well, you have to talk to somebody on the Afghan desk.
02:45:39.000Well, you know what I'm going to call over for and ask for somebody on the American desk at the State Department, because I need somebody at the State Department that's actually on our side.
02:46:43.000We'll dig something out of them on this.
02:46:45.000And I will continue to do it until they make a statement, until we get some... I have never heard of this particular thing, and you say that this happens a lot, but we've never had it where an American citizen was actually kidnapped from the United States by the Mexican military before.
02:47:32.000The best way to do it, you can fax it.
02:47:36.000Are they faxable or just only in electronic?
02:47:38.000Well, I'm just ashamed because I said last week I need to call Tancredo and I said I'm sure he knows and none of us told you and we fell down on this.
02:48:50.000Should I have that apartment manager, she's afraid to lose her job, should I have her call your office and tell your office what this corporate group told her?
02:48:57.000her? Absolutely, and I'm going to give you a number for that too, and anybody else that's
02:49:01.000listening, it's 720-283-9772 and ask for Charles. Alright, 720-283-9772 and Congressman, I want
02:49:17.000to thank you for coming on while I've been ranting and raving, but we're all feeling
02:49:21.000We're sick of it, and I know you're sick of it.
02:49:24.000We appreciate your anger when you're on television.
02:49:27.000You know, I read a quote by a guy I don't necessarily like very much because of his politics, but it is true.
02:49:35.000He was a senator from Arkansas, Dale Bumpers, I think, and he said, I heard they were interviewing him.
02:49:44.000He said, what's the thing about being retired?
02:49:47.000He said, well, I was sitting at home the other day reading about this damn Bush tax cut, he said, and I just hate it.
02:49:52.000And I told my wife, I don't know if I'm more frustrated by being here and reading about this and knowing I can't do anything about it or being in Congress and reading about it and knowing I can't do anything about it.
02:50:03.000So, believe me, I feel exactly the same way many times.
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02:53:52.000Folks, we don't have anybody in Congress as good on immigration as we do as Tom Tancredo.
02:53:57.000And you notice he didn't know a lot of the stuff I was bringing up to him.
02:54:01.000He didn't know the White House in a press conference said, yeah, we're going to go for amnesty today.
02:54:05.000Uh, he didn't know that, uh, a week ago, the news broke of two weeks before that, uh, that, uh, five American citizens were kidnapped by Mexican soldiers.
02:54:16.000And I said on air last week, I ought to call Tom Tancredo.
02:54:19.000In fact, that's why I was trying to get him on the show, uh, this week.
02:54:25.000He was going to be on Monday, but then he had a doctor's appointment, and then we ended up getting him on Friday because I forgot to try to get him back on.
02:54:32.000And then he didn't even know, and this one person still languishing, kidnapped.
02:54:48.000I got a few final Really important news items that I want to hit on about terrorism in Russia.
02:54:55.000We hit on the London Guardian with the British MI5 carrying out the terror bombings in Ireland to blame it on their political enemies yesterday.
02:55:03.000Now we've got it out of the big, the Kars News Center and terrorist acts organized by Russian Secret Services and that's already been confirmed in a thousand other articles literally and documentary films and FSB that have gone forward.
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