Saddam Hussein has been captured by the United States and is being held in a prison in Iraq. Is it possible that this whole thing is a CIA cover-up? Or is it part of a larger government conspiracy to cover up the truth about Saddam's capture? Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson discuss this and more.
00:00:55.000The next three hours we will talk more about the whole Saddam Hussein situation and the latest developments here politically with that and take your calls and get your response, your insight, your take on it.
00:01:09.000We haven't had Paul Joseph Watson of PrisonPlanet.com, my webmaster and researcher, on in a few weeks.
00:01:15.000We've got him coming on in the second hour to talk about the Saddam situation and of course mainstream headlines that MI6 may have been involved in the murder of Princess Diana.
00:01:27.000There's more government-sponsored terror news coming out with MI5 doing the bombings in England.
00:01:32.000Looks like President Musarraf, the dictator of Pakistan, may have staged that bombing to make it look like he's under terror attack, just like our government does.
00:01:41.000Congressman McDermott, who I don't agree with on many things, he's a big socialist, came out and said, looks like they already knew where Saddam was, may have even been holding him, and this was staged.
00:01:52.000I mean, look, we have the Israeli websites saying it looks like he was a captive.
00:01:57.000We have Congressman LaHood, Ray LaHood, on December 2nd telling the Associated Press and other newspapers that, oh yeah, we've got Saddam, we'll be bringing him out real soon.
00:02:09.000We've got Tommy Franks in the Marshall Law article.
00:02:14.000Uh, that was published in Cigar Aficionado, also saying that, uh, we'll be catching Saddam in the next few weeks.
00:02:20.000So, interesting little leaks there, adding credibility to this.
00:02:24.000But people howling and saying, how dare McDermott question this?
00:02:34.000And look, I mean, Howard Dean, George W. Bush, it doesn't matter who wins the election, folks.
00:02:40.000They're all globalists, the same agenda, gun control, open borders, more NAFTA and GATT, it's all the same stuff, and a lot of people are acting like the Saddam capture is winning the Super Bowl, and boy, aren't we all big now, and meanwhile the dollar plunged more yesterday, and the trade deficit got bigger, and did you know they passed the Patriot Act, too, under a new name over the weekend?
00:03:05.000Yeah, Bush signed it, and giving them almost unlimited powers on a whole new wide range of subjects, but that doesn't matter.
00:03:13.000Hey, you know, that's what Saddam would do.
00:03:14.000Saddam would have legislation like that, and after all, our government put Saddam into power and told him to attack Iran and did all that.
00:03:22.000I hear the neocons talking about how evil he was attacking Iran all last night, all today, how evil Saddam is.
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00:10:02.000washington congressman questions saddam timing this is out of the associated press
00:10:09.000The Washington congressman who criticized President Bush while visiting Baghdad last year has questioned the timing of the capture of deposed Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
00:10:19.000Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat from Washington State, told a Seattle radio station Monday the U.S.
00:10:24.000military could have found Saddam a long time ago if they wanted to.
00:10:29.000Asked if he thought the weekend capture was time to help Bush.
00:10:32.000McDermott chuckled and said, yeah, oh yeah.
00:10:35.000The Democrat congressman went on to say there's too much by happenstance for it to be just a coincidental thing.
00:10:42.000When interviewed by Dave Ross, asked again if he meant to imply that the Bush administration timed the capture for political reasons, McGermott said, I don't know that it was definitely planned on the weekend, but I know they've been in contact with people all along who knew basically where he was.
00:10:57.000It was just a matter of time till they find him.
00:11:01.000It's funny, McDermott added, when they've been having all this trouble, suddenly they have to roll out something.
00:11:08.000State Republicans immediately condemned McDermott's remarks, saying the Seattle Democrat again was engaging in crazy talk about the Iraq War.
00:11:15.000Once again, McDermott has embarrassed this state with his irresponsible ranting.
00:11:20.000GOP State Chairman Chris Vance said in a news release, calling him to apologize Okay, well let's talk about the facts.
00:11:28.000I'm looking at the Associated Press and several other news reports.
00:11:32.000recently said he thought it was possible the president bush advanced knowledge nine eleven
00:11:36.000the voters deserve to know if the entire democratic party believes in the sorts of better paranoid
00:11:42.000conspiracy theories close quote okay well let's talk about the facts i'm looking at the
00:11:47.000associated press and several other news reports low-level
00:11:51.000hussein's capture imminent this is december second
00:11:55.000that's this month folks about uh... twelve days ago thirteen days ago
00:11:59.000Representative Ray LaHood held his thumb and forefinger slightly apart and said, we're this close to catching Saddam Hussein, or an inch away.
00:12:08.000Once that's accomplished, Iraq resistance will fall apart, said the five-term Republican congressman from Peoria, who serves on the House Intelligence Committee.
00:12:16.000A member of the Pentagraph editorial board, not really expecting an answer, asked LaHood for more details, saying, Do you know something we don't?
00:12:29.000LaHood spent an hour at the newspaper Monday discussing the war on terror, the 04 elections in central Illinois, regional economic development, and his less than enthusiastic appraisal of Governor Rod Blagojevich's performance.
00:12:44.000A comment about the deposed Iraqi president came while LaHood discussed next year's elections.
00:12:50.000And he again went on to say, uh, do you know something we don't?
00:12:55.000Well, it looks like General Tommy Franks, the outgoing head of CENTCOM, who was interviewed in the December issue of Chigar Aficionado, we have the whole article transcribed.
00:13:03.000It wasn't online, but now it is, on InfoWars.com.
00:13:08.000And among the other little tidbits in there, not just martial law, the next step in our government, but he also said, oh, we're going to catch Saddam in the next few weeks.
00:13:18.000They caught him in the next few weeks.
00:13:22.000He said, we're going to catch him real soon.
00:13:25.000And LaHood says he knew something that the media didn't know when talking to a Central Illinois newspaper and then, of course, picked up by the Associated Press 14 days ago.
00:13:39.000But McDermott is a wild-eyed, crazy liberal, which I agree.
00:13:49.000So there's no real difference there, but we don't like him, but we love Bush because he has an R before his name.
00:13:56.000But you have all these people bragging about how they were about to catch Saddam.
00:14:00.000Other generals spouted off, and you have the Israeli publication that's been pretty accurate in the past, the Debka file, and they're saying it looks like he'd been beaten, looks like he'd been, you know, that he'd been drugged, looks like he was down in this hole for a long time.
00:14:17.000By the way, it's being pointed out that Saddam's beard, and again, the average person can grow a beard that long in about a year or longer, but let's say Saddam grows a beard twice as fast.
00:14:29.000know half an inch three-quarters of an inch uh... a month
00:14:32.000he had a six inch beard folks he was supposedly videotaped a month after the globalist
00:14:37.000took over iraq running around without a beard just with his mustache
00:14:41.000so that's three and a half months uh... how did he grow that huge beard and why is the beard
00:14:48.000to his temples because folks i've seen a million beards so have you
00:14:52.000If somebody's going to have gray, solid gray up to their temples, and it's not going to turn black suddenly at the temple, right up to the top of his head.
00:15:01.000But his hair is black, with no gray in it, and then suddenly you get to his beard and it turns gray.
00:15:10.000Reuters reported that he had had his fake beard ripped away by the troops and suddenly in the Associated Press it was, oh no, they shaved his beard off, he had a run-in with an army barber.
00:16:25.000So we don't know what the truth is, but more is beginning to emerge.
00:16:30.000But how can they criticize McDermott when he says, oh, well, we know that they knew where he was, when we've got LaHood, Ray LaHood, the Republican congressman, and we've got Tommy Franks, the head of CENTCOM, and all these people saying the same thing, basically, weeks before!
00:16:51.000But we're a dumbed down population and listening to Neocon talk today before I went on the air, it was Saddam has mass graves.
00:17:31.000By the late 60s, the head of Iraq security.
00:17:34.000And of course, the coup in the late 70s.
00:17:35.000I've been saying 78, it's 79 when he took over.
00:17:39.000Then he followed orders and attacked Iran, was a big hero.
00:17:42.000I remember sitting there in the kitchen, my mother had a little TV in the kitchen, she still has it, things lasted forever.
00:17:48.000She's watching television, cutting up, uh, you know, I mean, I'd come back from soccer or football practice, she'd be in there cutting up carrots and stuff for dinner, and I remember hearing every day how Saddam was this great guy fighting the evil Iranians.
00:18:09.000The CIA helped train his Republican Guard, the School of America's helped train him in torture, And you notice our media one day saying how good torture is, and the next day, Saddam's evil, he tortures.
00:18:20.000So I'm just saying it's hypocritical, it's a fraud, Saddam's nothing compared to China that Bush just cut Taiwan loose to them, changing our 50 plus year treaty.
00:18:30.000Uh, nothing compared to Rumsfeld giving nuclear reactors to North Korea.
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00:27:21.000My gut check has been telling me for months that basically the only thing holding up our dollar right now, and therefore any resemblance in the markets of any kind of a recovery, is the fact that election's coming up next November, and nobody wants to see the dollar Uh, tumble, which I think it'll inevitably do anyway.
00:27:41.000Well, the dollar's already tumbled 35%.
00:27:46.000And, uh, it went up about a cent on the weekend, and then by yesterday plunged to a record low against the, uh, against the, uh, euro.
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00:33:43.000There's more and more questions of, is it Saddam?
00:34:02.000They've hired the former top torture master of Iran, the guy under the shaw, Chalibi, and here domestically we've got our secret police and they're telling us how great torture is every single day.
00:34:13.000But I guess folks can't put two and two together.
00:34:17.000Coming up here in just a few minutes, Cliff, KC, Joe, John, David, and everybody, we're going to get to you.
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00:44:00.000Number one, they admit he had at least ten body doubles.
00:44:03.000I have government announcements from eight months ago where they're talking about number two Saddam, number eight Saddam, number seven Saddam, number ten Saddam, number three Saddam.
00:44:12.000And so we say it looks like Saddam, that's because we've seen the doubles so many times, or is it really Saddam?
00:44:44.000And Reuters reported that it was a, quote, fake beard.
00:44:48.000Then the government said, no, no, no, it was a real beard.
00:44:51.000Then you mentioned had him in a hole for a while.
00:44:53.000It's not just liberal McDermott saying this out in Washington State on the radio yesterday, the congressman.
00:44:59.000We have Republican Representative Ray LaHood telling an Illinois newspaper and the Associated Press They said, do you know something we don't?
00:45:11.000We're this close, holding his fingers up an inch apart, to catching Saddam Hussein.
00:45:16.000We have General Tommy Franks saying in a news article that's on my site that we're about to catch him in the next few weeks.
00:45:23.000And then we have the Israeli intelligence people at the Debka file going, you know, it looks like he's been held captive, looks like he's been beaten, maybe drugged, down in this hole.
00:45:54.000Yeah, for those that don't know, I never tried to be in a Hollywood movie, but it was a Fox Searchlight production, and the director called me up.
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00:46:05.000And, uh, they say, according to, uh, the news article, whose article was it?
00:47:01.000Well, I'd just like to caution everybody, first of all, when there's this many lips moving about any subject, there's something funny.
00:47:08.000And, you know, all these pictures of Saddam, To me, I think that none of them are him.
00:47:16.000I mean, they're just playing a shell game with these photographs.
00:47:19.000If you look at the ones that they just showed with the beard and the one without the beard next to him, it looks like that face was built around those eyes.
00:47:32.000There's no real discussion other than Dan Rather saying hours after the announcement Sunday morning that this is him, we've done DNA testing, we've proven it, dental records.
00:47:40.000Then it came out the government never said that, so Dan Rather was just making that up.
00:47:48.000And then we add to this all the lies they've told us in the past.
00:47:51.000The Jessica Lynch thing was, quote, a fable.
00:47:54.000The fake letters from troops planted in hundreds of papers.
00:47:58.000When we've caught him lying, and remember, you know, eight, nine years ago, I saw Forrest Gump accept an award from JFK.
00:48:06.000Well, that's the main subject I wanted to talk about is how this changed the subject from who killed JFK.
00:48:12.000They pulled an ace out of the hole just when they needed it.
00:48:16.000You know, every time we start talking about George Bush Sr.
00:48:19.000being in Dallas and all that, and the discussion... And every time we talk about Halliburton... Halliburton and all that, we get all these Distractions around this time of year.
00:48:31.000And, you know, I'm thinking there's a joker in the hole somewhere here.
00:48:35.000If we start talking about JFK again, maybe we can find those weapons of mass destruction.
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00:55:54.000Heard the earlier caller say his mother didn't believe in the New World Order until she saw 9-11.
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00:56:07.000And again, if you're calling about them grabbing your children or something, I'm sorry, I can't
00:56:12.000I mean, I can have you on the air or something, but we're getting hundreds of those calls every day, grabbing people's land, grabbing, you know, military training, helicopters spraying them.
00:57:04.000Well, first of all, I just want to say I'm pretty intent on putting you... I'm a screenwriter, so I'm pretty intent on putting you in at least one of my movies when I get out there.
00:57:20.000Bush is calling for a public trial of Saddam Hussein.
00:57:22.000Don't you think that would be the last thing he would want?
00:57:25.000Considering all the fact that, you know, we hired the guy, armed him, and put him in power?
00:57:29.000Well, if you torture somebody for just a couple weeks, you can make them say whatever you want.
00:57:34.000Our best and strongest Marine Corps fighter pilots would cry like a baby and say that they were evil fascists after Viet Cong got done with them.
00:57:43.000And so, uh, he'll say whatever they want.
00:57:46.000Whoever this person is they've got, he'll say whatever they want.
00:58:20.000I got one called Execution Mania, and it's set about a couple years in the future where they pay-per-view public executions on TV, live from Guantanamo Bay.
00:58:35.000I was just wondering, do you know who had command control on the day of 9-11?
00:58:40.000Yes, the quote, shadow government that Bush announced, Homeland Security that was already set up, through FEMA, and Northcom.
00:58:49.000Yeah, because it looked like the day before Saddam was captured, everyone was talking about the fact that Flight 93 might have been shot down.
00:58:55.000There's a lot of things that this smokescreens.
01:00:37.000Thank you for joining us on the 16th of December, 2003 edition.
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01:00:46.000Coming up, we'll talk to John in Texas, David in Texas, Tom, Colorado, Kenneth, South Carolina, and many others.
01:00:51.000We have Paul Joseph Watson, who I haven't had on in a couple weeks.
01:00:55.000The webmaster and researcher at PrisonPlanet.com, my website, coming on to talk about his take on the whole Saddam Hussein situation.
01:01:02.000We have Ronald Reagan, CIA advisor, joining us, Ray McGovern, in the third hour as well, and a bunch of your calls in this hour.
01:01:11.000We have the Democrat congressman being attacked, Jim McDermott, who is a gun grabber who I don't like, but so is George Bush, I don't like him either.
01:01:21.000And McDermott, though, did have questions about 9-11 that were reasonable and good.
01:01:26.000And he now has questions saying, look, we all know that they knew where he was for the last few weeks or months.
01:01:38.000But in the December 2nd news articles out of Illinois and the Associated Press, Congressman Ray LaHood Uh, said that, uh, we're this close, an inch away from catching Saddam.
01:01:50.000The reporter said, do you know something we don't?
01:01:54.000Uh, Tommy Franks, in this month's issue of, uh, Cigar Aficionado, came out two weeks ago, three weeks ago, uh, said, uh, that they were, quote, about to capture Saddam.
01:02:05.000So, yeah, folks, they had him in that hole as a prisoner.
01:02:08.000Probably Republican Guard paid off by Rummy, who admits he did pay off a bunch of Republican Guard.
01:02:30.000I listen to you all the time, and I print out stuff from various websites and yours, including yours in Prison Planet, and I hand it out to people when they don't need me, and they inevitably get really quiet.
01:02:45.000Are you going to do an analysis of what Ron Paul is calling Patriot Act 2 that got passed a couple of days ago?
01:02:54.000Yes, I'd love to be able to write an analysis of it, but Ron Paul's done that, and he says it's mostly what was in Patriot Act 2, which they were already implementing without passing the law, and this weekend Bush signed it.
01:03:26.000I'd like to make a couple comments and then I'll hang up and listen to your comment.
01:03:33.000Earlier you had a A gentleman, one of your callers, was saying, you guys were talking about the economy, and I'd like to just make a few comments about that.
01:03:42.000I believe that, you know, the money that's in power likes to see it go up and down.
01:03:48.000Well, yeah, that's how they consolidate.
01:03:50.000We have the American Banking Association reports back a hundred years ago saying it.
01:03:55.000My view is that, you know, when, in my industry, this stuff started, you know, four or five years ago, three or four years ago, They really tightened up, and the people that work in that industry have learned to do a lot more with less.
01:04:12.000So because they're so poised to make so much in the manufacturing industry, and really poured on with the money, or to create money, essentially by having the workers just do twice or three times the amount of work that they used to before, that's in a sense creating money.
01:04:32.000So I think the economy is fixing to go up, Of course, eventually it'll go down.
01:04:36.000I also think that gold is going to go up because of this.
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01:08:13.000Alright folks, we're now eight minutes into the second hour.
01:08:21.000We've got about an hour and 51 minutes left.
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01:08:39.000We're going to get his take on the Saddam situation and the latest developments on Princess Diana and MI6 murder.
01:08:47.000This side of the Scotsman today, coming up here in just a few minutes.
01:08:51.000The last caller talked about the economy and how the globalists like to constrict the economy and then like to build it back up, always getting us in more debt, always overextending us, consolidating.
01:09:03.000They've got to have boom-bust cycles to consolidate power.
01:09:06.000Now, a few months ago there was an article in the Austin American Statesman, derived out of Forbes Magazine, where they show that the Fortune 500 all got richer, And have big profits.
01:09:20.000And how government grew at record levels.
01:09:24.000The Fortune 500 grows at record levels.
01:09:26.000But the small and medium-sized businesses, and medium goes up into hundreds of millions of dollars, folks.
01:09:33.000That's a medium-sized business, a corporation.
01:09:36.000Big corporations are in the hundreds of billions and leveraging trillions.
01:09:40.000And they all got smaller, and bankruptcy and public and private debt got bigger, and foreclosures went to record levels we haven't seen since the Great Depression.
01:09:52.000So you notice in a constricting economy, and I've looked back at this over time, whether it's the 70s or the 30s, the elite get richer during depressions and during recessions, and the government grows in size.
01:10:09.000And so they're laying everybody off, they're squeezing, they're doing all this and making record profits.
01:10:14.000And by the way, the economy going down was just a smoke screen for the shift of even more jobs to India and China and even out of Mexico to India and China.
01:10:24.000And now they're announcing record trade deficits, record plunge in the dollar.
01:10:29.000It gets more and more serious by the millisecond and more on that coming up.
01:10:33.000Also more on Bush signing Patriot Act 2 this weekend.
01:10:39.000So I guess you can celebrate that we're becoming more like Saddam's Baghdad every day, Saddam's Iraq here in America.
01:10:47.000But let me just state, I'm no fan of Saddam Hussein.
01:13:14.000They're batting just a perfect score right now for lying to us, staging events with Private Lynch, all of it.
01:13:21.000Looks like something's going on here as well.
01:13:24.000Paul, what's your take on the situation?
01:13:28.000Well, first off Alex, I think a lot of people are being led up the Gordon Path on one issue and we need to amputate completely a line of inquiry that is serving as a distraction and there's a lot of disinformation on it already.
01:13:43.000Yes, it is the real, in inverted commas, Saddam Hussein.
01:13:57.000But when you do compare them, it's the same man.
01:13:59.000And some are saying that you can't do a DNA test that quickly when in fact If you have everything prepared beforehand, then you can finish a DNA test in 12 hours.
01:14:09.000All I said, Paul, was that we know he had at least 10 doubles, so it's okay to ask that question.
01:14:16.000Yeah, and that's all we're doing at the moment.
01:14:18.000As I said, expect something to come out of a major smoking gun in the next three weeks or so, which will confirm it either way.
01:14:26.000The only thing that I can establish at the moment is the man shown in the footage is Saddam Hussein.
01:14:30.000That's not to say that there aren't a plethora of other inconsistencies that we can go over.
01:14:36.000At this point, we're not constructing elaborate theories.
01:14:43.000This smoking gun, I believe, will come out in the next three weeks because they're so sloppy at covering these things up.
01:14:49.000Something always leaks out, as it has done in the past.
01:14:53.000No, it's just that the only thing that we can establish is the fact that it is Saddam Hussein in the video.
01:14:57.000That's not to say that... Well, I said that it looks just like him.
01:15:00.000The other doubles, the guy with the glasses on TV didn't look like him.
01:15:04.000One of the big smoking guns isn't just...
01:15:07.000Congresswoman McDermott saying, oh, we knew they already had him, or we knew they knew where he was, and this has been brought out politically because Bush has trouble.
01:15:18.000We have Ray LaHood, the representative Republican from Illinois, Bloomington, Illinois, And he said two weeks ago today, out of several newspapers, that they said, do you know something we don't know about Saddam?
01:15:40.000Well, from the evidence we've got, I can go and stick my neck out and say that Saddam Hussein was not captured on a Saturday night, Sunday morning.
01:15:48.000He'd been on ice, as it were, for at least weeks, maybe even months.
01:15:52.000As you mentioned, ten days before the announcement, we've got Congressman LaHood in an interview with the local newspaper, the Pantagraph, saying that we're this close to catching him and saying that he knows something that everybody else doesn't.
01:16:07.000And then today, we have the article out of the Associated Press where Jim McDonough says, quote, I don't know what, that it was definitely planned on this weekend, but I know they've been in contact with the people all along who knew basically where he was.
01:16:22.000And he also said that they could have captured him a long time ago.
01:16:25.000So we have both Democrat and Republican, one before the event, saying the same thing, that the sudden discovery of Hussein was scripted and that in actual fact he's been safely tucked away for an undetermined amount of time.
01:16:37.000But the media is going to make it a partisan issue now and ignore LaHood and ignore Tommy Franks.
01:16:42.000But on top of that, we've got NBC's Meet the Press reporting that Cheney and CIA Director George Tenet were engaged in a secret meeting a few hours before the footage was shown.
01:16:53.000Now, we know that Bush was told Saturday night, but the question is, why were Cheney and the CIA having a meeting hours before, and were they directing the subsequent news conference?
01:17:07.000Well, that's what the interim head of the provisional government said yesterday.
01:17:12.000in prison and that Saddam's resigned look was because he saw the U.S. more as rescuers
01:17:49.000Yeah, and as in the case of Lynch, they're going to basically change the story to maximize Now, the Israelis are saying that, too, from the evidence.
01:17:58.000the man whose palace floors were made out of giant underground shark tanks
01:18:03.000would live in a six by eight hole is beyond belief furthermore i mean why would he hide in his hometown when
01:18:10.000it's the first place that anyone would look
01:18:12.000he wasn't hiding there he was being held there the question is by whom
01:18:16.000now the israelis are saying that too from the evidence the debka file is saying that
01:18:20.000yeah and the fact that time magazine were reporting details of what
01:18:24.000uh... sat on with saying about six hours after his arrest was announced is
01:18:29.000very suspicious and then suggest that we're being put in his mouth already
01:18:33.000Likewise, today we have Fox News reporting that documents were also discovered which linked him with directing the bombings in Iraq.
01:18:41.000So we have A man in a hole with no means of communication directing attacks every day.
01:18:46.000Let's see, if somebody has common sense, it makes no sense, but again, people have lost their common sense.
01:18:52.000Well, it's like claiming that Bin Laden was directing 9-1-1 from a hospital bed on kidney dialysis.
01:18:57.000It's like claiming that 19 hijackers were preparing to direct 9-11 while getting drunk in a strip club the night before.
01:19:07.000Some are raising the possibility that Saddam was captured on the first day of the war.
01:19:11.000We all remember the so-called decapitation strike, which apparently Saddam avoided by minutes and then... Well, they claim they killed him three times.
01:19:19.000Yeah, and then one of his dubious body doubles appears on TV three hours later.
01:19:24.000So, there is a chance that he was captured, treated for injuries and held ever since the war actually started, which of course means the whole war was scripted too.
01:19:33.000And they can torture the daylights out of him, roll him out before a trial, and he won't say a word.
01:19:38.000And that would explain why he had a six-inch beard.
01:19:41.000As you pointed out, Alex, a beard only grows three-quarters of an inch a month.
01:19:45.000So the original report said it was a fake beard, but then that explanation mysteriously disappeared.
01:19:50.000So again, it's an open-ended question.
01:19:53.000Well, if it was a fake beard, it's Hollywood makeup artists.
01:19:58.000We're going to come back and take calls, get into Princess Diana and a bunch of government-sponsored terror news.
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01:24:59.000I want to get into the latest evidence of the MI6 killing Diana, which we've covered here in the past, but more evidence now coming out mainstream news.
01:25:07.000But on the Saddam situation, how hypocritical is it to have them attacking Congressman McDermott?
01:25:13.000We're saying, oh, we all knew they already had him or knew who had him and we're going to roll him out soon.
01:25:18.000When we have other congressmen who are Republicans saying, oh, yeah, you know, we're about to get him and you watch, we're about to have him.
01:25:26.000I mean, this is a this is pretty obvious.
01:25:29.000Well, on top of that, we've got another aspect, which is the possibility that this staged capture could have been part of the deal that was agreed back in April, where Saddam was flown out of Baghdad by the Russians after brokering a deal with the Americans.
01:25:44.000condoleezza rises there on the ground making the deal which uh... russia got
01:25:48.000five billion dollars for the trouble this is a report all across the middle east and uh...
01:25:52.000pushed up in america and of course it was an american reporters interviewed the
01:25:56.000republican guard people that supposedly did it
01:25:58.000and we have ramsal admitting that he had paid off most the guard before the war
01:26:02.000even began well because it was the precursor to the ridiculously easy
01:26:06.000fall of baghdad before which all the experts that would cost ten thousand soldiers
01:26:13.000the deal with already being done so that we saw the same thing in afghanistan in
01:26:17.000the middle of the war flying eight thousand alabama al-qaeda leaders out
01:26:20.000that is admitted fact by our own news fox news associated president is round up a few
01:26:26.000of the conscripts and put them in guantanamo bay for show Go!
01:26:29.000Yes, I mean, the footage could have been filmed eight months ago, for all we know, as part of this agreement, and that ties into what we were discussing earlier about these congressmen saying that Saddam was captured before his capture was publicly announced, which would again explain why Saddam offered no resistance.
01:26:46.000Then you have Saddam's sister coming out today and saying that he was drugged before the capture, which again suggests preordained Circumstances before.
01:26:55.000Well, she says they quote have his entire family and they're going to be doling him out.
01:27:00.000And when I looked at him, he did look drugged.
01:27:03.000I mean, yeah, that's the first impression I got.
01:27:05.000I mean, we've got this image created of this tyrant that would, you know, do anything to avoid being captured.
01:27:12.000And then basically it's like a frightened puppy when we saw the footage.
01:27:25.000This is probably a little off-topic, but I've only been a short-time listener.
01:27:28.000You may have covered this in the past, but I was wondering if you've ever done any investigation on our income tax system and the fact that maybe it does... Yeah, I've had former IRS agents, Treasury agents.
01:27:42.000They never ratified the 16th Amendment.
01:27:44.000It's a private collection agency for the Federal Reserve.
01:27:51.000And what about the fact that it may be tied to the fact that maybe we still are being ruled by Britain?
01:27:56.000I wouldn't say maybe, I mean the same financial interests that own England own America.
01:28:03.000And I know in the Painful Deceptions video, which I just watched on the website, there's a tie on there also to a Britain company who cleaned up the rubble at the Oklahoma Oklahoma City and World Trade Center, yeah.
01:28:53.000Alex, I listen to you a great deal and I enjoy your broadcast, but the last time I called in, you said that unemployment in this country is 16%.
01:29:03.000And the official figure, when I read the Wall Street Journal all the time, I read Investors Business Daily.
01:29:09.000Those are the leading business newspapers.
01:29:12.000They reported just recently that unemployment is 5.9%.
01:29:16.000Okay, I said that they say unemployment is 6%.
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01:33:29.000Are you angry about Bush signing Patriot Act 2 this weekend?
01:33:32.000Or are you upset about the plunging dollar?
01:33:34.000Do you love the fact that he's going to re-sign the assault weapons ban?
01:33:39.000Or are you celebrating the capture of Saddam when he is nothing compared to Kim Jong-il in North Korea?
01:33:47.000Nothing compared to the Chai Com premiered That was just here last week when Bush cut Taiwan loose and violated 50 plus years of treaty obligations and then called it the status quo.
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01:34:15.000We were talking, myself and Paul Watson, we were talking to Kenneth in South Carolina
01:34:21.000Kenneth, when you heard the show the other day, I clearly stated that they claim unemployment's at 6%, but that even in the past, it's always conservatively double that, because it's whoever's gone off the rolls.
01:34:34.000That is how they calculated, and the numbers I've gotten are 15 to 17%, depending on what alternative economist you're looking at.
01:34:42.000I know on my street where I live, a lot of people are unemployed.
01:34:46.000A large percentage of people are taking two or three service jobs.
01:34:50.000And so, in some of the statistics, they'll count a person working two jobs as two people employed.
01:34:55.000Is that a middle-income neighborhood where you're living?
01:38:22.000You know, you're right on about the glorification of the police state and all that.
01:38:27.000What you probably hadn't noticed, if you noticed, I saw on C-SPAN, that Congress is trying to change the rules for overtime pay.
01:38:36.000And especially in my line of work, like a union pipe fitter, I have to travel all over the country.
01:38:41.000I depend on that overtime pay to pay for my expenses.
01:38:45.000And by doing this, this is real sly and under the table, and this would not only affect me, it would affect policemen, firemen, all kinds of people, is that you would literally shut the country down or at least come to a crawl because nobody It would destroy all the incentive for working overtime.
01:40:03.000So, I mean, I see what you're seeing now, because it's just like when I watch on TV.
01:40:08.000I mean, you can actually see it unfolding and just these things that nobody catches, just like this, that they're secretly trying to do under the table.
01:40:45.000Well, with regard to the previous point, if you remember we had the article, they already announced that they're going to have Homeland Security armed guards in businesses, so people are basically going to be working at gunpoint.
01:40:57.000I mean, with the Taiwan situation, I mean, The arming of China only got worse after Clinton left office, and that was reported by Insight Magazine, and so obviously, I mean, we've heard about seven articles about how Bush is basically following all the goals of the Communist Manifesto, the biggest expansion of federal government.
01:41:17.000And on top of this, Rumsfeld's arming North Korea with nuclear reactors, but Saddam, he's the big threat.
01:41:24.000anyone would expect him to uh... disassociate himself with them taiwan
01:42:24.000I mean, no one can look at this and not say that that's not the case.
01:42:28.000We're going to go to more calls here in a moment.
01:42:31.000We're all of those out there patiently holding, but Patriot Act 2, is what Ron Paul's billing it, with a new name, was signed by Bush on Saturday, but nobody's talking about that because they're talking about the Saddam diversion.
01:42:48.000I mean, in this bill, Bush has basically reauthorized total information awareness.
01:42:53.000We got the Associated Press reporting that it authorizes agencies to continue research on computerized terrorism surveillance suspended... Without warrants!
01:43:04.000Yeah, so they're obviously talking about total information awareness.
01:43:08.000Ron Paul stated that it appears we are witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular Patriot 2 legislation that was first leaked several months ago.
01:43:16.000Perhaps the national outcry when a draft of the Patriot 2 Act was leaked has led its supporters to enact it one piece at a time in secret, and that's exactly what they do.
01:43:27.000With this Saddam thing going on, it's just a big fat distraction both for this Patriot 2 And the Ellen Mariani case, you'll notice whenever 9-1-1 gets hot again, they come out with a big fat distraction to divert everyone's attention.
01:43:40.000So that's what we've got with Patriot Act 2 also.
01:44:05.000We've got ex-Pentagon official sentenced in fraud case.
01:44:07.000We've got all this happening, but that doesn't seem to matter, you know, because we've had a big victory, haven't we?
01:44:15.000Yeah, I mean, that was the thing that, oh, the dollar's going to rebound now in the back of this brilliant news, and, you know, it basically didn't happen, and it's gone down again today, I believe.
01:44:24.000So, yeah, it's just Amazing the fact that they say that this is all going to happen, and it's just, yeah, it's a big distraction in the main.
01:44:32.000And you're a liberal if you're against the Patriot Act.
01:44:36.000That's the spin that we continue to hear, that you're just a vicious, evil liberal if you're not for all of this.
01:44:49.000I mean, how do we educate people on these facts?
01:44:52.000Well, the thing about the Patriot Act is the people that are trying to repeal parts of it are mainly Republicans anyway, and yet they pay no attention to that particularly.
01:45:01.000So, I mean, that is a major issue to outline the fact that it's not a left-right issue on anything.
01:45:08.000We've got people on both sides of the political equation speaking out on this.
01:45:12.000We've got groups like Eagle Forum joining up with the ACLU, so... While Saddam was captured, stealth enactment of the Patriot Act II legislation While CNN and other media outlets are rejoicing because of the capture of Saddam Hussein, Bush again introduced new legislation last Saturday, which increased the federal powers to investigate and reduce the privacy rights of American citizens, H.R.
01:45:35.0002417, Intelligence Authorization Agreement of 04, and there's the White House statement posted on PrisonPlanet.com, Bush signed it Saturday.
01:45:43.000Comments of Ron Paul, congressman for Texas, on HR 2417.
01:45:47.000It appears we're witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular Patriot 2 legislation that was first leaked several months ago.
01:45:55.000Perhaps the national outcry when a draft of the Patriot 2 Act was leaked has led his supporters to enact it one piece at a time in secret.
01:46:02.000Whatever the case, this outrageous and unacceptable, I urge each of my colleagues to join me in rejecting this bill and its incredibly dangerous expansion of federal powers.
01:46:13.000Now, here's the AP article from Saturday.
01:46:18.000President Bush has signed legislation making it easier for FBI agents investigating terrorism to demand financial records from casinos, car dealerships, and other businesses.
01:47:01.000Let's shift gears into Princess Diana, then into Massaraf and the fake bombing activities.
01:47:06.000The Scotsman reports Diana's death linked to MI6 plot more than six years after the deaths of Diana and Prince of Wales and Dottie Alfayad.
01:47:15.000The questions surrounding the Paris car crash in which they were killed continue to grip the public imagination.
01:47:20.000This just came out with some new developments.
01:47:24.000Well yeah, there was an article in the BBC as well yesterday which basically confirmed the fact that Henri Paul, the driver of the car, was an MI6 informant and that's what previous MI6 agents have come out and said and now that's been confirmed by this.
01:47:38.000And they turned the cameras off in the tunnel and she had said they're going to kill me in a fake car accident and all of this.
01:47:45.000Yeah and that's all come out as well and the fact that They used the blinding flash of light and some other high-tech jiggery-pokery to cause the driver to swerve, which again is how they formulated the plan to kill Slobodan Milosevic.
01:48:02.000And now we know that MI5 and MI6 more has come out about them carrying out terror bombings in England as well.
01:48:11.000That's just calmly announced in your news.
01:48:14.000How are people responding to that, or is there no buzz on the street?
01:48:18.000There's no buzz whatsoever, because it's always buried on page 28 or whatever, but I mean, that's the thing.
01:48:27.000Not only did they carry out, you know, one of the biggest bombings in Ireland, which was the Omore bombing, and they had an MI5 agent cooking the bomb, and with the bomber at the time, when the bombing was being carried out, they surveilled the car from its origin right to the destination of the bombing.
01:48:44.000Now we've got another report about how uh... british intelligence helped the paramilitaries
01:48:50.000bomb dublin and monaghan back in uh... seventy four
01:48:54.000so again i mean we've got a giant archive on that not only uh... mi-five
01:48:59.000helping uh... the i.r.a. but also mi-six protecting all these top
01:49:03.000al-qaeda lieutenants like also the the the
01:49:09.000limousine, a car she was in, had it was stolen, had its computer taken out, put
01:50:33.000He was blamed for the bombing in Pakistan.
01:50:35.000It later turned out that he'd actually been arrested months earlier.
01:50:39.000So, I mean... And in the Philippines, they've gone public with the government's blowing stuff up there to keep, quote, martial law going.
01:50:46.000Yeah, Michael Mearing, the CIA agent, did a really bad job and basically they had to sequest him away to a hospital because he was supposed to blow up an apartment and failed.
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01:57:13.000And cost efficiency is not necessarily an object because generally the owners of these big corporations are spending are the same people who make money from printing more money.
01:57:25.000Well that's it, the globalists print the money, they run the drugs, they run the prostitutes,
01:57:32.000Paul Watson comments to the wisdom of Ali.
01:57:36.000Well yeah, I mean the fact is that the jobs are not only being shipped to India, they're
01:57:41.000bringing Indians into the country to work the jobs for lower wages.
01:57:45.000I mean, we've got the so-called Skilled Worker Program in this country, which does exactly that, making more of us unemployed.
01:57:52.000And as you were saying earlier, Alex, I mean, even people you know are being asked to train these Indians to take over their own jobs where they get a temporary contract just to do that, and then they're booted out of the company.
01:58:04.000Yeah, I know people who've been at companies 20 years, And so they've gotten up in this, you know, seniority.
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02:00:28.000We've been talking a lot about the economy, which is just terrible, the listeners.
02:00:32.000They care about a ballooning trade deficit, a plunging dollar, the expansion of NAFTA and GATT in the free trade area of the Americas.
02:00:41.000Why, they said the troops in Iraq are getting a bonus.
02:00:44.000They'll be kept warm by the capture of Saddam as their wives go on food stamps and CPS takes their children.
02:00:51.000And how dare you say it's bad for Bush to hand Taiwan over to China, which is basically what he's done by arming them, not arming Taiwan, and breaking our 50-plus year treaty with them.
02:01:00.000You're a communist if you're against communist China.
02:01:03.000You're a communist if you're for the Second Amendment.
02:01:05.000You're a liberal if you're for controlling our borders.
02:02:22.000Well, all it is, is this false capitalist system that China came out and publicly announced, oh, we're now capitalists.
02:02:29.000It's low wages, long hours, working at gunpoint.
02:02:32.000That's their definition of free market capitalism.
02:02:35.000Three years ago, Jiang Zemin said at the 50th anniversary of Mao, three years ago, and in Tiananmen Square, he said, capitalism is the ultimate form of communism.
02:02:48.000Well, that's their capitalism, where it's a police state.
02:02:53.000Yeah, it's government tied in with corporations, which goes back to the very definition of fascism.
02:02:59.000So, you travel so far around the political spectrum, and you arrive at the same place, whether you want to call it communism or fascism.
02:03:06.000Well, it's the same thing with Russia.
02:03:07.000You've got six strongmen running the country, still the same secret police, still the gulags, but our media just doesn't talk about it.
02:03:14.000Remember two years ago, and every year, Russia buys more slaves from North Korea?
02:03:22.000Publicly, just buys trainloads, 30,000 at a pop, for the slave camps.
02:03:27.000And the Russian guards wouldn't shoot them when they'd escape, so that's how it went public, all these people starving to death in forest labor camps, Paul.
02:03:36.000And then they call Russia a democracy because they have elections, the recent elections in Russia, before which there was a nice, convenient terrorist attack, of course.
02:03:47.000And the elections themselves were rife with ballot stuffing and all this sort of thing.
02:03:51.000The media was only towing the party line of the party that Putin wanted to win.
02:03:57.000But they're capitalists now, and they've put the red stars, he's so good, back on the tanks.
02:04:04.000Yeah, I mean, I still get emails from people who think that Putin's some kind of, you know, fighting the New World Order by calling for a different New World Order.
02:04:13.000It's like the difference between vanilla ice cream and strawberry ice cream.
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02:08:20.000In the last week, it has been confirmed Dozens of times, but confirmed yet again that the British are carrying out almost all terror bombings in London, in Ireland, over the last 20 plus years.
02:08:39.000It has been confirmed that in the Philippines, the U.S.
02:08:41.000government and the CIA are carrying out the bombings to quote, keep martial law going in the nation.
02:08:47.000It's being confirmed that Musarraf over in Pakistan blows stuff up, has fake assassination attempts on himself as a pretext to crack down on the population.
02:08:57.000It's being confirmed that MI5 and MI6 were involved in other bombings, and MI6 involved in the killing of Princess Diana.
02:09:22.000And we've been lied to on a hundred fronts concerning Iraq.
02:09:27.000Saddam Hussein is a horrible thug, but when the media says, he's so evil, Saddam attacked Iran, which I know you've all heard, our government funded and ordered him to do it.
02:09:50.000Paul Watson, does that annoy you when you see him do that?
02:09:54.000Yeah, I mean, in order out of chaos, I've got a whole chapter on how Saddam Hussein was put into power by the US, given all the biologicals.
02:10:02.000I mean, this is out of Republican Senate reports, and I mean, I've got a quote here out of the London Times.
02:10:08.000donald rumsfeld the u s defense secretary one of those strident critics
02:10:12.000of saddam hussein met the iraqi president in nineteen eighty three and
02:10:15.000it's almost twenty years ago to the day to ease the way for u s companies to sell baghdad
02:10:20.000biological and chemical weapons including anthrax and bubonic play according to
02:10:24.000newly classified declassified u s government documents
02:10:28.000i mean we had colin powell basically running the uh... iraqi battlefield intelligence gassing
02:10:34.000the iranian troops and i mean this is all come out and official government
02:10:38.000documents and yet i mean that the only have a c i a they're telling them
02:10:42.000when patterns satellite photos and because of that he didn't kill all those children are
02:10:48.000cards We've got the guy who was in the White House when it happened, Ray McGovern, coming on.
02:10:53.000That was Iranian blowback, just like the Germans had in World War I, of their own cyanide Soviet gas they were given.
02:11:08.000Yeah, I mean that article came out end of last year where it was in the New York Times where the CIA agent who was on the ground at the time said that he didn't gas the Kurds.
02:11:18.000It was blowback and the Iranians were involved in it as well.
02:11:51.000When our government the whole time was ordering him, running him, it's admitted!
02:11:56.000I just, how do they get away with this?
02:11:58.000I'll tell you, people are so ignorant, they don't know what the First Amendment is, they don't know where Iraq is, they don't know how many continents there are, they don't have any history, do they?
02:12:08.000Well no, but they know how to buy an uncoolter action figure.
02:12:13.000Fact is with Iraq, I mean, yeah, that's the outpouring that I've seen.
02:12:18.000And it goes back to Orwell's 1984 where we forget who we were at war with.
02:12:23.000We're now at war with someone else and just forget about the previous war against Iran when we were supporting Iraq.
02:12:31.000The same process, and I mean they'll use it again when Saddam spills the beans on Syria after being tortured, which is what Harat's newspaper reported, that he's going to implicate Syria with weapons of mass destruction, and then we'll go in and take out Syria as well.
02:12:46.000Then they'll grab Assad and he'll say it's Iran's now got him, and then Iran will say, oh no, Libya's got him, and then it's just a domino effect.
02:12:55.000And then Iran will say, oh yeah, we got ours from North Korea, and then they'll go into North Korea.
02:13:03.000And they've got the nice new national draft, and when we're attacking North Korea and losing hundreds of thousands of troops with the new national draft, there'll be no discussion of Rumsfeld selling them the nuclear reactors.
02:13:14.000No, and that was reported by Reuters, and in fact that's still going on.
02:13:18.000They recently put another reactor back online, and it turns out that this is one of the reactors that Rumsfeld sold them back in.
02:13:26.000uh... ninety-eight so that's already going ahead as well as north korea
02:13:31.000some experts say they've got hundreds of nukes and i mean they've at least got
02:13:34.000you know six to eight at the moment and this is i mean we've got an
02:14:25.000I think they only do something we like if they think they're in trouble and they have to do something.
02:14:37.000Well that's it and there is a top globalist banking families and royal families And they manipulate the phony left-right spectrum, they get us through the dirty work in Iraq, they make the UN look like the good cop is against the war, and then energize the leftward-leaning world government, and then bypass any discussion of, we don't want a world government, now it's, what type of world government will it be?
02:14:59.000The Globalists even write white papers up about how to present the world government with this bipolar left-right situation, when it really is a unipolar, one-pole, Paul Watson comments on what our caller from Denmark is saying.
02:15:16.000When you go up to people and say that the U.S.
02:15:19.000government carried out 9-1-1, sometimes they say, oh yeah, I agree that U.S.
02:16:56.000Okay, I've got BBC, I've got Scotsman, I've got AP, I've got Reuters, but Limbaugh or Hannity would never touch it.
02:17:04.000Our good little reform buddies, Putin, for three years in a row, it happens each year, Uh, North Korea owes 4.3 billion dollars last time I checked.
02:17:20.000I'm having to access that mental file, folks.
02:18:28.000Alex, my family, all of them, don't believe what I'm saying.
02:18:33.000I have known about the One World Order since 1965 when I lived in California.
02:18:39.000I learned at that time that Prescott Bush said it was going to take about... He said in 1933 that it would take about 65 years to get the One World Order in place for a takeover.
02:18:53.000Now, I want to know where I can find that in writing so that my child will believe it.
02:19:35.0001989, every State of the Union he gave.
02:19:37.000We'll come back and talk to Gary, Charles Kinn, and others.
02:19:41.000And then we've got Ray McGovern coming on.
02:19:43.000Our final segment with Paul Joseph Watson, author of Order Out of Chaos, lead sponsor of Terror and the New World Order that I published.
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02:24:29.000Yeah, well we had an article from North Jersey Media Group which talks about how the Air National 177th Fighter Unit based at Atlantic City International Airport had two F-16s stationed eight minutes away from the World Trade Center.
02:24:46.000And what happened is that a few weeks before the attack, they had their mission changed from being a scramble-ready squadron to protect American airspace.
02:25:26.000Okay, they said, he said, don't shoot Saddam Hussein, president of Iraq.
02:25:36.000Okay, to me, it really looked like him.
02:25:40.000I may be wrong, but okay, say it was one of his body doubles that's in there.
02:25:47.000Would he be so brainwashed that he would...
02:25:50.000Well, we're not saying it's a body double.
02:25:52.000We're saying he'd already been captured and that's what a lot of members of Congress... What I'm saying is, if it was me, I'd be saying, hey, don't shoot.
02:26:30.000So, if Saddam comes out with those sort of comments, then you can expect the media to hush them up immediately, and that's what... Yeah, you don't hear about Milosevic saying, it's a new world order, I've been tortured.
02:26:40.000And by the way, Bill Clinton with his lies about mass graves.
02:26:42.000I'm not saying Milosevic's a good guy, but compared to the Croats and the Muslims, Bin Laden working with the CIA to start the war, that's admitted congressional hearings by Republicans in 99.
02:27:04.000Do you think that people in England will stand up when the time comes, if it comes?
02:27:10.000Do you think they have the guts to stand up?
02:27:13.000Well, I think they have the guts, but they don't have the guns, because we've been completely disarmed.
02:27:18.000So, I mean, that's why the main focus of our website is on America, because it's the last bastion of freedom, where people are armed, and a lot of people are still informed as to what's going on.
02:27:28.000So, I mean, England is basically a completely spineless socialist cesspit, I'm afraid to say.
02:27:34.000And that's been the case for many years, so my main focus is on saving America and saving the world via, you know, that route.
02:27:41.000Because England's basically gone at the moment.
02:28:10.000It's better to die free than be a slave.
02:28:13.000Thank you for what you're doing, Mr. Jones, and I'm really discouraged, but I hope they pass your tapes out there, and I hope to God that the people get some guts to start standing up to these people.
02:29:14.000Well yeah, I mean that's what's going on.
02:29:15.000They've made government the God because they've tied it in with this false George Bush Christian ethic when George Bush is not a Christian and he's proposing all these laws which then butcher the Constitution like Patriot Act 2 which he just passed and which he called... And now they grab their business partner and nothing's said and Bin Laden's their admitted business partner.
02:29:34.000Time and time again this is all staged.
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02:33:44.000We're about to go to our guest, Ray McGovern, a 26-year senior analyst Uh, at the Central Intelligence Agency, personally advised Ronald Reagan, George Herbert Walker Bush, and others, and, uh, he's part of an organization that's trying to bring some sanity to all of this, and I found his, his, his research, his, his historical understanding, uh, to be very, very, uh, accurate from my research.
02:34:08.000That's coming up here in a few minutes.
02:34:09.000I've got quite a few questions for him, and I know we've got a bunch of callers on this subject of Saddam and the rest of it, so we'll get to you, too.
02:34:16.000Before I go to Mr. McGovern, I'm a documentary filmmaker.
02:35:59.000He had to go as part of an emergency meeting or something.
02:36:03.000Something he had to take care of with a program he does for inner-city kids.
02:36:06.000But he does join us today here for the next 25 minutes or so.
02:36:11.000Mr. McGovern, just in a nutshell, A brief history of who Saddam really works for, what really happened in the 80s, what this capture means.
02:36:25.000Of course, none of us are fans of Saddam, but what this really means and how can they allow him to be tried if he's going to blow the whistle on who's sold him the chemicals and biologicals.
02:36:57.000And so Iranians were our primary, quote, enemy, end quote, in those days, and certainly we didn't want any of the Iranians to be expanding their power still more.
02:37:09.000And so Saddam Hussein was seen as a counterweight to that, and so he became A bad guy, but he became our bad guy, sort of like Noriega in Panama.
02:37:19.000There's a difference between other guys, bad guys, and our bad guys, okay?
02:37:23.000So we supported Saddam Hussein during his war with Iran to the point of exchanging very sensitive intelligence with him, which gave him the upper hand.
02:37:36.000We also did all kinds of things in terms of allowing sensitive Sensitive materials to get to Iraq.
02:37:46.000Those materials later criticized as being precursors to chemical and biological weapons.
02:37:53.000Well, the 94 Senate report says anthrax, botulism, West Nile as well.
02:38:03.000Since we knew that he was using nerve gas, for example, against the Iranians, In those years, all of a sudden we turn around after supporting him in that, after saying nothing about it essentially, then all of a sudden he becomes an imminent danger not only to his neighbors
02:38:39.000Didn't our government basically, well, back in 54, use him as a CIA assassin?
02:38:45.000Well, I'm told, I don't know this officially, but I'm told that our government did support his consolidation of power, and that seems pretty clear from the historical record.
02:38:56.000But the whole thing is the background here, and it relates to your other question, Alex, when you question how we can possibly allow a free and unfettered trial of this fellow.
02:39:11.000That's going to be a real problem for our administration, because if Saddam Hussein is allowed to say all the things he could say, it will be very damning to U.S.
02:39:21.000policy going back into the 80s, and it will show that it's been a very two-faced policy.
02:39:27.000Well, the Israelis at the Debka file, mainly Mossad folks, say he looked like he'd been held for weeks, if not months, and that he'd been worked over pretty bad.
02:39:37.000And then we have Congressman McDermott saying that, and that he's attacked as partisan.
02:39:42.000But then I have another congressman here, LaHood, Ray LaHood, on December 2nd, Yeah, I found LaHood's comments really intriguing.
02:39:51.000something you don't know, we're about to give you Saddam.
02:39:55.000So what do you think is really going on here?
02:39:57.000Yeah, I found LaHood's comments really intriguing.
02:40:01.000And he sits on the intelligence committee in the Congress, and so he has access to some
02:40:08.000I don't have a definitive judgment on this, but it is intriguing indeed.
02:40:14.000Well, how can they say that McDermott is an evil communist traitor, as the neocons are now saying, for saying something that Frank said in Cigar Aficionado in the December issue, the head of CENTCOM, saying something that LaHood said?
02:40:28.000Well, you know, this business of name-calling, when people call General Zinni, for example, who headed the CENTCOM troops, when they call him, A Marine General, highly decorated, when they call him a traitor of some kind, and now they call other people traitors.
02:40:46.000I mean, that just shows the depths to which the discussion has degenerated.
02:40:50.000Now, take Congressman, the one from Washington you just mentioned.
02:40:58.000He was over there, you may recall, he was over there in the fall of 2002, okay?
02:41:05.000And I remember George Stephanopoulos asking him live on his program, Congressman McDermott, do you think that the President would deceive the American people?
02:41:19.000And Congressman McDermott smiled and he said, of course I do!
02:41:24.000And George Stephanopoulos sort of gulped, and I could hear the, in the TV rooms in my rather affluent neighborhood, I could hear the gasps going up, like that!
02:41:32.000And of course, then McDermott said, you know, Deceiving the American people is a bipartisan activity.
02:41:40.000Think of how Lyndon Johnson deceived the American people.
02:41:47.000Just be aware that any time a president decides to go to war, which Bush had already decided three months previous, any time a U.S.
02:41:55.000president decides to go to war, Then you cannot really expect that you'll get the full story.
02:42:01.000Well, look at all the lies we've seen about fake news articles posted by the Pentagon, signed by troops that never saw it, Jessica Lynch fables, Niger uranium deals that didn't exist, mobile weapons trucks they knew day one were British sold trucks were pumping up hot air balloons.
02:42:18.000I mean, they knew all this, and how can we believe anything they say?
02:42:22.000I've never seen lies at this level, and I cut my teeth Mr. McGovern, exposing Bill Clinton.
02:42:51.000I saw you on a British interview saying compared to Scowcroft and Bush and the senior, the people running the White House now are quote, crazies.
02:43:02.000Yeah, well now that's a different, that phrase goes back to the 80s, but let me just tell you the difference between now and then with respect to the lies.
02:43:14.000I have never seen such a Well orchestrated, the epitome of PR proficiency, campaign going for 18 months as they prepared for this war.
02:43:27.000You see, the other lies, the lie about the Gulf of Tonkin, well that was sort of a spur of the moment opportunity as LBJ saw it.
02:43:35.000I don't excuse that, but it's a different kind of conspiracy.
02:43:40.000What we had over the last 18 months was a concerted campaign, extremely well planned, to deceive the representatives of the American people, namely our congressmen and senators.
02:45:02.000They were all in the Pentagon or somewhere, but they were kept at a sort of innocuous middle level until Wolfowitz wrote that defense posture statement in early 92.
02:45:14.000Somebody leaked that, it went to the Times, and what did it say?
02:45:17.000It said all the things that we have now implemented.
02:45:20.000It said, for example, that when we see a situation where we have a chance to assert our strength in an area where we can, a strategic area like Iraq that has a lot of oil, We damn well better do that, because that's our responsibility.
02:45:33.000That's manifest destiny for our country.
02:45:35.000And that was repeated by the PENAC documents, and the neocons will say, it's never about oil when we have signed confessions from it.
02:46:04.000You know, we're supposed to keep those people in their place.
02:46:07.000Well, they decided the only thing to do is to disavow it and put it in the circular file, which they did.
02:46:13.000And so, those of us who knew that story, when we saw what George Bush II started to do when he came into power here in Washington, And giving top jobs to Cheney.
02:46:25.000Well, Cheney, of course, was elected, but Rumsfeld and Feith and Wolfowitz and those folks.
02:46:30.000And we said, my God, the crazies are back.
02:46:33.000And why would we call them the crazies?
02:46:34.000Well, because that's how they were widely known in the 80s.
02:46:37.000If somebody said, whoops, something have to do with the crazies, everyone knew precisely who those folks were.
02:46:43.000And I submit to you, Alex, But if you look at the decisions that have been made with respect to Iraq over the last year or so, I mean, crazies is the only possible explanation.
02:46:56.000Well, we've had Marine Corps generals go public, we've had admirals, we've had CIA people, we've even had Scowcroft.
02:47:03.000But then they get called traitors by the media, and there is no so-called leftist media, and they claim, oh, the leftists are against the war.
02:47:13.000Well, Alex, I hope this doesn't happen to you, but I had an interviewer on an ABC affiliate here in Washington who had me on maybe seven or eight times.
02:47:24.000There was another fellow in WOR up in New York that had me on twice.
02:47:41.000They purposefully, all over the country, censor calls now, Clear Channel and others do, where you can't even get on the air if you disagree.
02:47:49.000And then people hear the shows like it's the First Amendment and there's a discussion going on.
02:47:58.000And it's very scary to see this happening.
02:48:02.000Let's briefly, and then I'll take a few calls here, nerve gas.
02:48:05.000On this show you talked about what really happened with the nerve gas, who really nerve gassed the Kurds, and you talked about the cyanide-based nerve gas of the Iranians.
02:48:15.000You were there in the White House at the time.
02:48:35.000And most of the others feel that it was indeed the Iraqis that gassed the folks in Khalajpah, but that it was not an extenuating circumstance, certainly, but it was during the war, there was a pitched battle going on, and both sides were using nerve gas at the time, so it's not really Nothing is.
02:48:59.000Well, last time you were on it, I read the articles about how when they tested the dead bodies, it was the Soviet variant of gas the Iranians were using.
02:49:07.000Yeah, I know, Alex, and I know I said that last time, but I've gone more deeply into it with more and more experts.
02:49:14.000And all I can say is that it's not conclusive.
02:49:21.000But compared to Bush saying, Taiwan, you know, we're going to change our policy, or, you know, compared to giving reactors to North Korea, I just, you know, see this as an excuse to grab oil and sell weapons and to have a private cash machine for Dick Cheney and Halliburton.
02:49:38.000Well, it's also, and these are all true.
02:49:41.000There's an overwriting rationale for this, though, and that rationale appears in the documents to which you referred, the PNAC documents.
02:49:51.000For those of you who are listeners, just go on the web and type in, Project for a New American Century.
02:49:59.000And the documents that will appear there are the ideological, the strategic justification for the policies that are now being implemented by the crazies.
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02:55:07.000Well Alex, it's a difficult situation for the administration because they need to get an international, objective, non-partisan presence in there as they deal with Saddam Hussein.
02:55:24.000Unfortunately, the arrogance and the disrespect for the opinion of humankind that has been illustrated by this regime in Washington would suggest that they're not going to do that.
02:55:35.000Now, if they don't do that, if they don't have somebody watching them, Then all the bets are off.
02:55:42.000Number one, they will never let Saddam Hussein say all he knows about the U.S.-Iraqi relationship.
02:55:48.000And number two, they will always disparage what he says if it doesn't accord with what they have said.
02:55:55.000For example, the weapons of mass destruction.
02:56:00.000I've been accused of having my tongue in cheek when I said the first thing they should ask them is, where are the weapons of mass destruction?
02:56:52.000I was one of the CIA briefers that took the President's daily briefs down in the morning and briefed the highest advisors to the President.
02:57:24.000Yeah, and you know, for example, one of those documents, the one that Alex just referred to, talks about the ability of our military has to be able to Uh, wage two wars, uh, at the same time, and also conduct what they call constabulatory, uh, duties.
02:57:44.000In other words, be constables in the countries that we occupy.
02:57:47.000Yeah, occupy countries in imperial... Yeah, actually, I'm familiar with that document a little bit, because I saw a PBS special dealing with that.
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