On the 9th anniversary of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, new details emerge about the possibility that the FBI has a copy of the evidence that could have exonerated Timothy McVeigh of the murder of 9/11 victim Nancy Reagan.
00:02:02.000Cash joining us in about 30 minutes, then Paul Joseph Watson, who hasn't been on in a couple weeks, to talk about a bunch of big developments.
00:02:10.000Then in the third hour, Chris Simcox, the owner of the Tombstone Tumbleweed newspaper in Tombstone, Arizona, He's formed his own Citizens Homeland Security Group.
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00:03:23.000I've had the news reporters on, the lawyers on.
00:03:27.000I've got the articles out of Oklahoma City.
00:03:31.000They admit they have these surveillance camera tapes.
00:03:36.000Channel 4 there in Oklahoma City interviewed the federal officers who saw the video.
00:03:41.000Multiple explosions, Janda number two, and we have those news clips and news articles in my film, 9-11 the Road to Tyranny.
00:03:49.000So this again isn't new news for us, but it's new news for the general public.
00:03:52.000But how can the local paper and World Net Daily not focus in and ask the big question, well, what does it matter if this congressman's aide has this video?
00:04:03.000Because Congress has it, and so does the FBI.
00:04:06.000Why did they declare national security?
00:04:09.000I mean, you'd think if it showed McVeigh alone, I mean, wouldn't that be some good evidence to convict him?
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00:09:13.000Then, in the second hour, Paul Watson for a global report on a lot of key issues that are developing all over the planet.
00:09:20.000The upcoming stage capture of Bin Laden, the martial law provisions being passed all over the Western world.
00:09:30.000Then, in the third hour, armed Mexicans cross-border, U.S.
00:09:33.000volunteers, journalists, photograph, mysterious militia, even talk to them up close.
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00:09:56.000So we've got Chris Simcox with a local newspaper, the editor there, joining us out of Arizona in the third hour.
00:10:19.000These are the different types of headlines I have in front of me.
00:10:22.000They're calling it an independent commission.
00:10:25.000I guess like the 9-11 Commission, they tried to have Henry Kissinger head, nobody bought that, so they hired a bunch of former Republican governors and others and people involved in business with the Bushes and the Bakers and Cheney and it turns out a bunch of people on the Commission have been having to secretly testify because quote according to the Washington Post, they were involved in 9-11 somehow.
00:10:45.000It's like whenever the Clintons had Janet Reno appoint Senator John Danforth to investigate Janet Reno, and the whole thing was run by the Justice Department, their own appointees are called independent investigators.
00:11:02.000And I use the sarcastic saying that it's like hiring Heinrich Himmler or Herman Goering to prosecute Adolf Hitler.
00:11:12.000But again, people hear the word independent, that's good enough for them.
00:11:16.000So if I ever rob a bank, or you ever rob a bank, just have your fellow conspirator be the prosecutor, and I'm sure the judge will agree to that.
00:11:28.000And Tony Blair is trying to say that he never said there were weapons of mass destruction, and the Hutton Inquiry says he's good.
00:11:34.000I mean, the Hutton Inquiry was set up by Blair, and it's going to be the same tactic here, kind of like the Warren Commission.
00:11:56.000His way of quieting mounting election year criticism from Republican and Democrats alike.
00:12:02.000The investigation will examine Iraq and other intelligence issues dealing with stateless groups such as Al-Qaeda and secretive regimes such as North Korea, a senior White House official said Sunday on condition of anonymity.
00:12:15.000So their whitewash committee is actually going to be a scaremonger committee about how deadly Al-Qaeda is and how deadly North Korea is.
00:12:23.000There won't be any discussion about Al-Qaeda being CIA or our own government, through Clinton, right through Bush and Rumsfeld, arming North Korea.
00:13:00.000The same people that told us about mobile weapons trucks and mass graves and uranium out of Niger, the same Pentagon that plants Fake letters from troops and hundreds of newspapers with false signatures.
00:13:15.000The same Pentagon that put Saddam in power and told him to attack his neighbors and then pulled the rug out from under him when he did it.
00:13:24.000The same Pentagon that tells us depleted uranium at 1,900 times safe levels is good are the ones that are going to be running this!
00:13:36.000By the way, the Chief Prosecutor for the Marine Corps just quit concerning the fake trials at Guantanamo Bay, saying that these aren't real trials and that he's ashamed.
00:14:45.000But during the Super Bowl, before the Super Bowl, every time they know you're tuned into the television, On Christmas, or New Year's, or Thanksgiving, or every holiday, every big event like the Super Bowl.
00:14:59.000Oh, the terrorists are about to use planes as dirty bombs to drop chemicals, biologicals, radiologicals.
00:15:06.000Turns out, of course, the threat was a fraud.
00:15:09.000Until the fateful day that the Globalists actually drop the hammer on us and kill a bunch of more of us, then they'll say, see, you better take all our alerts serious, you better accept the National ID Card, you better not question us in the future, the threat is real.
00:15:24.000But every time they know you're tuned into the television, even the mass of people that don't watch the news, who are tuned in on holidays or special events, they always have a terror alert for you to scare you into submission.
00:15:36.000And at PrisonPlanet.com we have the mainstream news articles from across the spectrum where they admit the White House for a year and a half has been issuing fake terror alerts to, quote, create hysteria and fear.
00:16:35.000France and Germany have gone public and said they were given fake terror alerts during Christmas and the New Year's.
00:16:42.000Now the governor of Nevada says that the whole Las Vegas thing was a fraud.
00:16:46.000They just put out fake alerts to keep you in fear.
00:16:49.000And during the Super Bowl, you all got images of people being searched and frisked and armored vehicles and some troops and black ski mask police and face scanning cameras selling you that Big Brother equals freedom and security.
00:17:05.000It's like in the Super Bowl after the first 9-11 event, Andy Rooney got up on 60 Minutes the week before and said, I wish we all had microchips, then I could go to my Super Bowl in safety.
00:18:21.000Associated Press, President Bush said Monday he will consult with former Chief Weapons Inspector David Kaye before ordering an investigation into intelligence failures in Iraq, trying to quiet mounting election year criticism from Republicans and Democrats.
00:18:34.000Bush said he will name independent bipartisan inquiry into faulty intelligence in Iraq.
00:18:40.000And, uh, grabs in other areas such as secretive regimes like Iran, North Korea, and stateless groups such as terrorists.
00:18:46.000And it'll just turn into a big fear-mongering session of, oh, all these groups are threats, and we didn't lie to you, and we're just trying to keep you safe.
00:18:55.000By the way, Arnold Schwarzenegger says, you know what?
00:19:09.000Bush unveils the biggest budget ever, $2.4 trillion of discretionary spending.
00:19:14.000There's hundreds of billions of other spending there as well, and hundreds of billions more still with state unfunded federal mandates to the states.
00:19:42.000Coming up, we're going to get into Oklahoma City and the Fed suppressing the video of multiple bombs going off and declaring national security on that video that also shows McVeigh with John Doe number two.
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00:24:21.000that i have a little shorts and anger promising the democrats that uh... you will
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00:24:32.000the state And they admit that in major exit polls, 70% of Californians, including the majority of Hispanics, are against doing this!
00:24:47.000Well, then why does Arnold Schwarzenegger want to do it?
00:24:51.000Because the elites of this country, whether it's George Bush or Albert Gore or John F. Kerry, We want open borders to drive down the wages, to balkanize the country, to bring in a mass of people that will pull the levers for big government.
00:25:53.000And California has only got a few years to reverse this, and then there's no chance of going back.
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00:26:14.000They care about what's good for the elite to break down this nation.
00:26:18.000In national polls, 80 plus percent of the American people are against these open borders.
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00:26:30.000Their own policy reports say it's about balkanizing the country and driving down the wages, because if you're all living at a subsistence level, you're going to go along with the tyranny.
00:26:42.000But if you're in the middle class, you're going to want your children to grow up in a free country.
00:27:21.000Possible OKC bombing video shows two explosions.
00:27:27.000The Fairfax County, Virginia home of John Cumberston, once a member of the former U.S.
00:27:34.000Representative James Traficant's scandal-plagued congressional office, was raided Friday afternoon by Oklahoma City police detectives searching for evidence related to the 95 Oklahoma City bombing.
00:28:07.000And why is the news focusing in on that?
00:28:09.000The story is that they admit they declared national security on these surveillance cameras.
00:28:15.000The FBI that saw it told the LA Times and Channel 4 in Oklahoma City that it showed two men getting out of a Ryder truck, that it showed multiple explosions, and that's in my film, 9-11 Road to Tyranny.
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00:28:47.000A copy of the search warrant obtained by the MacCurtain Daily Gazette described the evidence sought by detectives as including any and all computer equipment, letters, correspondence, electronic mail, and image files.
00:28:59.000The raid follows a January 27th closed-door meeting attended by prosecutors and defense attorneys involved in the Terry Nichols murder trial set to begin one month from now in Oklahoma.
00:29:10.000So all the feds and the state are doing is grabbing up any evidence showing John Doe number two.
00:29:17.000The Nichols defense team wants the video.
00:29:23.000And again, the feds didn't use this in the McVeigh trial.
00:29:27.000Nobody can show the video what happened.
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00:33:43.000Cash, a local news reporter who's been on the Oklahoma City bombing since day one with this new report that's been picked up by the National Press.
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00:35:56.000The Fairfax County, Virginia home of John Colbertson, if I'm pronouncing that right, once a member of former U.S.
00:36:04.000Representative James Traficant's scandal-plagued congressional office, was raided Friday afternoon by Oklahoma City Police detectives searching for evidence related to the 95 Oklahoma City bombing.
00:36:15.000A copy of the search warrant obtained by the MacCurtain Daily Gazette described the evidence sought by detectives as including any and all computer equipment, letters, correspondence, electronic mail, and image files.
00:36:28.000The raid follows a January 27th closed-door meeting attended by prosecutors and defense attorneys involved in the Terry Nichols murder trial set to begin one month from now in Oklahoma.
00:36:38.000During the meeting, it was brought to the attention of prosecutors that Holbertson could have critical evidence concerning the bombing, evidence that has not come to the attention of state or federal prosecutors.
00:36:52.000According to the affidavit filed with the search warrant, Nichols' defense attorneys filed a motion under seal with the court and further advised prosecutors Colbertson may have possession of a video and or still photographs of a Ryder truck parked in front of the Alper P. Murrah building, the explosion, and during the explosion.
00:37:14.000And it goes on here with a witness, Mills said he had gone to Washington, D.C.
00:37:19.000years ago to meet with Culbertson and actually viewed the video on August 26, 1998.
00:37:26.000Mills specifically told police detectives he saw a portion of the video and possibly three still pictures that were stored on Culbertson's laptop computer.
00:37:34.000An affidavit obtained by the newspaper, Detective Uh, easily said Mills told him the images had been shown included the Murrah building in pristine condition Mills then said that Mr. Culbertson that pushed a button and a second photograph came up with a small glow at the bottom of the building Mr. Culbertson pushed another button and still another frame appeared of a ball of fire rising from the building and the building fell
00:38:00.000Mr. Mills asked where the video and pictures came from, and Mr. Culbertson said it came from an ATF agent.
00:38:07.000And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
00:38:09.000Joining us to talk about this story is JD Cash, who's written a lot of news stories and been involved in some of the investigations from day one in Oklahoma City.
00:38:25.000Give folks some background concerning these videos.
00:38:29.000Well, this is really a remarkable story because what we have here is a gentleman that I've known for a number of years, John Culbertson.
00:38:37.000He has worked in the past for James Traficant's office, who was of course run out of office by the FBI a number of years ago and sent to prison for, you know, whatever.
00:38:55.000But Mr. Traficam was always very interested in Oklahoma City, which a lot of people feel was one of the reasons why the FBI wanted to indict him and see that he was put away.
00:39:07.000And one of the men that worked on his staff, his name was John Culbertson, and John claims and has for a number of years to have claimed that there was a video That was made by, you know, federal agents involved in the Sting operation.
00:39:25.000A surveillance tape that was where they actually filmed the Ryder truck arriving and then blowing up.
00:39:34.000And of course, this would be the most powerful piece of evidence that we would ever want to find on Earth if we could get our hands on this.
00:39:42.000And in the past, excuse me, Culberson, Has been offered money from the different networks for this, but it's never been produced.
00:39:53.000Well, now I understand that he has shown at least some still photographs, three at least, to this Mr. Mills in Dallas.
00:40:03.000And this came to the attention of the Nichols defense people who approached the state of Oklahoma prosecutors in an in-camera, closed-door meeting with Judge Taylor last week.
00:40:17.000And, uh, brought this to their attention and said, well, you know, we've talked to Mr. Culberson.
00:40:38.000He was impressed with his credibility.
00:40:40.000I understand that Mr. Mills is a very credible attorney.
00:40:45.000And they then went to this easily contacted Mr. Culbertson in Virginia.
00:40:54.000And Mr. Culbertson was vague about whether or not he still had this evidence.
00:40:59.000He apparently was not keen on turning it over if he did have it.
00:41:03.000And so the next thing he knew was Friday in the late afternoon.
00:41:08.000Here came at least one Oklahoma City police detective in conjunction with local authorities They had a warrant and they left with just about everything in that house that might hold a key to where this evidence is or contain it.
00:41:28.000Cash, I've interviewed some of the police and lawyers and people involved in the case here on the show, and I've got the different news articles covering it.
00:41:38.000There were also the different surveillance camera tapes around the Murrah Building.
00:41:43.000Right now, you're talking about videos supposedly from a sting operation.
00:41:48.000That meshes with what firefighters and police said Right.
00:41:51.000about the b a t f in their bomb gear right after the explosion of a single
00:41:56.000why won't you in the building and they say well we got to have
00:42:00.000uh... not to uh... com in to work today i mean how does it and then we have a lot of
00:42:06.000those stories and then we have the government saying well we're not going
00:42:09.000to release the surveillance camera tapes from this from the church in
00:42:13.000the y m c a or the federal surveillance camera type of declaring national
00:42:17.000security I've had the lawyers on that case ended in, what, 2002 with the video not being released.
00:42:23.000The feds could end all this speculation instantly by releasing that video.
00:44:09.000Mr. Culbertson testified about four years ago in front of a subcommittee on the Justice House side that he believed that there was a surveillance video out there someplace.
00:44:24.000And that he had interviewed a member of the Federal Police Force who agreed to go on camera in Jane Traficant's office and talk about seeing this film, the surveillance film, from start to finish during a seminar with other federal agents attending.
00:44:49.000And this guy swore that he had actually seen this.
00:44:52.000And so, Mr. Culbertson was trying to impress on this House Committee, which I guess had some dealings with oversight over the Department of Justice, that they should really go over there and throw a fit and demand to see this film.
00:45:09.000Now, Mr. Nadler grilled Mr. Culbertson about, do you have this film yourself?
00:45:37.000Times, they talked to federal officers who saw the tape, who saw McVeigh and another person, and then you say, well, we don't know if the feds have that tape.
00:45:46.000We know they went to court and blocked those tapes being released.
00:45:49.000Well, here's what I can tell you that I know about.
00:45:54.000I know that Stephen Jones, who represented Mr. McVeigh, Had an enormous amount of films turned over to him.
00:46:02.000And I brought to his attention one day that there was a camera on the Journal Record building that might have what we were all looking for.
00:46:12.000As it turned out, that camera was not pointed directly across the parking lot at the Mirror building, but was actually pointed at a staircase, an exterior staircase to catch anybody who might decide to burglarize the place.
00:46:27.000In the process, you got a corner of the building and it actually does show a portion of the explosion.
00:46:35.000I don't think... I've been told from several people who have worked on that case that they never did have a videotape that showed a Ryder truck pulling up.
00:46:50.000With the exception of the one that we do know that was entered into court.
00:46:54.000Now there was the one where you cannot tell if there's anyone inside the uh... the rider truck when it was parked across the street from the apartment project about a block from the mirror building uh... J.D.
00:47:09.000we have uh... in two thousand and two the federal case we have the feds trying to block the release of a bunch of video we'll see they've we have we're a part of this this FOIA action and we have we have been blocked from having any Well, I haven't read that article.
00:47:27.000on your oak oakbarn case until the michael's trial is over yeah but i mean
00:47:31.000we have federal officers telling the l a times and others that they saw all these videotapes
00:47:36.000and that it showed mcveigh and this other person or someone who look like
00:47:58.000Okay, because in 1990... Oh, at some point in 95 or 96, the local AP office ran a story like that, and then they retracted it the next day, when the Department of Justice said, no, there isn't...
00:48:33.000We are standing in line, I think we're second in line, this newspaper I believe is second in line, for a whole host of things Well, we've identified these things that we hope exist but we can't prove that they exist.
00:48:51.000I don't believe anything that comes out of Bill Clinton's Justice Department.
00:48:54.000Well, no, there's no reason to believe it.
00:48:58.000Nine years later, eight years later, they could release videos showing the Easter Bunny detonating the bomb now, because this is old technology to be able to falsify videos.
00:49:11.000Well, what we're hoping for is on this story that we ran a week ago, where Peter Langan, who's serving life plus 30, He was one of the leaders of the Aryan Republican Army that robbed 22 banks in 7 states and was apprehended a few months after the bombing.
00:49:30.000He is going to appear as a witness for the Nichols defense and he's going to name names and he's going to provide the corroborating evidence as to who blew up the federal building.
00:49:42.000Well, if that's the case, why did Bill Clinton let the German, who was one of the head people there, leave the country?
00:49:52.000But again, why would the Justice Department cover that up?
00:49:58.000I have a memo from the Director of the FBI where he is commenting on where Strassmayer is on a specific day and telling seven different offices that Strassmayer is going to be leaving the country shortly through Mexico.
00:50:57.000We'll be right back on the other side of this quick break.
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00:55:12.000Let us hope, Alex, let us hope that the worst this thing is, is that this conspiracy was infiltrated They were waiting on these guys and let us hope that they tried to stop it.
00:55:28.000Okay, well I was running over you there.
00:55:29.000You said absolutely they had prior knowledge.
00:55:33.000Why else would you have a member of the FBI counter-terrorism group, one of the best known agents in the country, Danny Colson checking into a motel room at 8 hours and 42 minutes before the bomb goes off in Oklahoma City.
00:55:49.000And then telling Time and Newsweek about how he rushed in his car the day of the event to get there and now it's admitted with hotel receipts and witnesses and others that he was there that night.
00:56:12.000We're going to go to some calls and let you into more detail.
00:56:15.000Come on up here if you can stay with us for another 30 minutes or so.
00:56:17.000But, looking at this, looking at the whole Oklahoma City story and what happened, and the police state that we saw grow out of it, and then a bigger event on September 11th.
00:56:34.000No matter what the deal was that morning, they took advantage of this since.
00:56:39.000Well, going back to the same thing with the first World Trade Center attack, New York Times, Chicago Tribune, I have that in my film, they admit that the FBI cooked the bomb, trained the driver, did it all, and then allowed it to take place.
00:57:25.000Now, before I forget, I want to mention, people can go to our website at mccurtain.com And if they'll scroll down, they'll see that we have recently put up some other stories, such as this Morris Dees story, which I think is the most important one.
00:57:40.000Well, the Lagan story, of course, is awesome, but this thing with Morris Dees having an informant in the middle of this deal, I find to be one of the most remarkable parts of this.
00:57:52.000And then, of course, the FBI Director is fully cognizant of the location of Strassmeier, And that he's planning to leave the country.
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01:01:24.000we're talking to jd cash uh... who's uh... written this latest report about
01:01:29.000the raid on the home of john culberts on
01:01:33.000well i had a once a member and uh... former u.s.
01:01:36.000Representative James Traficant's scandal-plagued congressional office, raiding his home to get this supposed video and stills of the video of this raid.
01:01:51.000This Sting Gone Bad video, if this turns out to be accurate.
01:01:55.000Cash, I want to go to some calls here in a few minutes after this first break, but perhaps you can recap things a little bit better than I just did for folks?
01:02:02.000Well, no, you've done a beautiful job, Alex, and I just want to say that I don't know if this film really still exists or not.
01:02:10.000I know that it would be terribly embarrassing if it did.
01:02:14.000It would not be something that the Department of Justice would ever want out.
01:02:17.000Well, we know they destroyed a bunch of McVeigh evidence before.
01:02:20.000Well, and they've made application to destroy some of the stuff in this A.R.A.
01:02:24.000case, this Area Republican Army case, that could link, that could support Mr. Lanyon's testimony.
01:02:30.000And I could go, I could write a book just about, I mean, this element, this whole element of what has gone on since the bombing and all of the evidence that keeps disappearing.
01:02:38.000And we have the feds with an informant inside Elohim City.
01:02:56.000And we just, just by luck, when we came across this memoranda, From the FBI director.
01:03:02.000We looked at a website and there was Mr. Deese who was going to be speaking at a university, not 45 minutes from our newspaper, in a couple of days.
01:03:21.000Describe what happened when you confronted him.
01:03:24.000Well, immediately he said, where did you get this memo?
01:03:28.000And I said, well, I got it from the FBI.
01:03:31.000And I said it is an official, unclassified memoranda from Louis Freeh.
01:03:36.000And it's to seven different offices, which I might say one of them was the Birmingham office.
01:03:42.000And what's interesting is none of the offices who received this memo, this is January of 1996, none of these offices where he's talking about Mr. McVeigh at Elohim City and phone calls to Elohim City, And contacts that their informant through the SPLC has with Mr. McVeigh.
01:04:03.000None of this has ever been made public before.
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01:08:03.000Now this is from congressional testimony talking about the supposed sting video, not just the surveillance camera video, but sting video taken by the BATF.
01:08:13.000And police did say the BATF was in their bomb gear a minute after the explosion, running around like a bunch of angry wasps.
01:08:21.000Uh, quote, in this video taken April 13, it is the federal police officer describing a surveillance tape from Oklahoma City he personally witnessed.
01:08:29.000And comparing it to other photos we have uncovered.
01:08:33.000During his appearance before the House Committee, Culbertson filed an affidavit containing statements he says were made by a federal agent who, Culbertson claimed, told him he was present at a training seminar after the bombing when the videotape was alleged to have been shown to several federal agents.
01:08:51.000The statement included In the official record of the hearing, it is as follows, quote, the federal police officer described two distinct explosions, the locations of which are consistent with evidence uncovered in the course of investigating the attack on the Murrah Federal Building.
01:09:07.000The federal police officer also stated that photos and video frames were covered, as described above, are consistent with the surveillance video that he witnessed in the training seminar.
01:09:18.000The officer's statement as well as photos obtained by the investigation is contained in the document, close quote.
01:09:24.000Holbertson went on to testify the Department of Justice has deprived the public of this important information as well as the courts in various jurisdictions charged with trying cases related to the bombing.
01:09:36.000This act is nothing short of callous and malicious obstruction of justice in what may be and one might consider one of the most important cases of the 20th century.
01:11:28.000If people want to go back to about two years ago, I published some of the juiciest stuff in the world and sold your fortune magazine about prior knowledge with photographs.
01:11:38.000I've got some stuff that you can't believe.
01:11:41.000And people should just call up to Soldier of Fortune, tell them they're interested in the series that Roger Charles and I did.
01:11:49.000We've written a number of articles for Soldier of Fortune about the bombing, and I suggest they buy those back issues.
01:12:26.000That mail truck, or what appears to be a mail truck, is parked outside of the post office along Harvey.
01:12:33.000And then later we have a picture where they have it opened up And they're loading bits and pieces of the detonated truck into this truck.
01:12:44.000This truck is obviously part of a sting operation.
01:12:47.000On the other side of the building, we have a photograph of another vehicle, which is the same make and model, the same type that the ATF and the FBI use in their crime scene investigations.
01:14:45.000Look, I mean, we know there's prior knowledge, but they keep calling these sting operations where the feds cook the bomb, train the drivers, let it go forward at the first World Trade Center.
01:14:55.000Then the same thing happens here again.
01:14:57.000Then on September 11th, they're paying for their houses, their cars, their credit cards of the supposed hijackers.
01:15:04.000I mean, it's just over and over again, these stings gone bad, and oops, the government gets so much power and control over us.
01:15:31.000What I want to share with you, too, is that little episode by Janet Jackson is a very part of the Luciferian symbology.
01:15:39.000Basically, if you notice lately, there's been a lot of James Bond pictures.
01:15:42.000If you go back to Goldfinger, if you remember the pilot, Pussy Galore, and her little young pilot girlfriend, they all had this black outfit on with this sunburst.
01:15:51.000Janet Jackson, when she did that little exposure with the sunburst as the little pasty on it, that's part of the symbolism.
01:15:57.000You go to Michael Jackson when he was dancing on top of the SUV, you notice that he had this emblem.
01:16:04.000on his jacket what that is that is the uh... uh... british that's a british army insignia or means gave the ultimate sacrifice to the crown and lastly he also wore at that time of his court trial when he first went on there they were called the serbian order of the white eagle that's given for conspicuous bravery uh... to the serbian soldiers but if you don't look at it you know what you know what dino i'm gonna put you on hold because you were holding before gas gone on And this isn't the subject we're talking about.
01:16:33.000And it's very esoteric on top of that.
01:16:36.000And I like to stick to stuff we can prove.
01:16:38.000But I'll come back to you if you want to hold.
01:16:45.000City Federal Building, could an outsider like Sergeant McVeigh plant a hundred pounds of explosives on concrete columns, or were the doors locked so it had to be the Federal Police planting the bomb?
01:16:58.000And, you know, some of this stuff we may never know for sure.
01:17:02.000I do believe that something else went off inside that building that morning.
01:17:07.000Because of the testimony I had from interviews, it's very clear to me that law enforcement was storing some things in that building they should not have.
01:17:20.000Yeah, but J.D., that's their cover story.
01:17:22.000I mean, plastic explosive doesn't go off, you know, just because an explosion goes off, you know, outside a building.
01:17:30.000It goes off if you'll put it under 3,200 pounds of pressure.
01:18:44.000Graham saw some people, construction workers, in the building the day before the bombing.
01:18:52.000I had two witnesses that are very credible tell me the very same thing, that they saw, I think, three construction workers working in the parking area beforehand.
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01:24:20.000I've been listening to you, I mean first time caller, I've been listening to you since AM 1360 took your show.
01:24:27.000I'd like to thank my friend Jeremy in 2001 who told me a well-documented talk show host named Alex Jones who was taken off KRKS for supposedly suspicious reasons.
01:24:39.000Thank you, Mr. Jones, for airing more of your callers than any other talk show I've ever heard.
01:24:45.000Okay, well thank you, but what else is on your mind?
01:24:50.000Um, first of all, common sense says that a huge bomb would blow chunks of debris for blocks in every direction and still not take down that building unless it was shape charges in the beams and columns.
01:25:06.000This is from, you know, what we do know.
01:25:09.000There is one pretty good chunk of that building that appears to be in the middle of the street in front of that were where the office was, the building was.
01:25:22.000There is a, there was a property safe, heavy steel safe that was actually blown
01:25:32.000into the parking lot of the General Rucker Building across the street.
01:25:35.000There were not big chunks of the buildings blown all over downtown, that's just not.
01:25:43.000JD, I have stills of the helicopter video and there's chunks of the building across the street on top of the other building.
01:25:49.000There are pieces of the Ryder truck and those were introduced into evidence with detailed photographs of the truck.
01:27:11.000I was in Waco at the memorial service for the Davidians that morning, and almost immediately, I mean, like 9.07, between 9.07 and 9.12 a.m.
01:27:22.000that morning, the media went around poking microphones and cameras And people's faces asking them what they thought about the bombing in Oklahoma City.
01:27:32.000I just found that to be a little bit suspicious.
01:27:35.000And in the obstruction of justice, Kerry Gagin, have you interviewed Kerry Gagin or seen his video deposition?
01:27:43.000I have followed his stories since the defense team first interviewed him.
01:27:49.000Okay, well I'd appreciate it also if you'd find out about an individual named Carlos Gigliotti who was retained by the House Government Reform Committee.
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01:33:18.000And it's clear, total prior knowledge of Oklahoma City, and I'll go all the way with it, carrying out the attack, engineering it just like World Trade Center.
01:33:29.000I mean, if a mafia boss gives somebody a gun and says, go do this, they're just as guilty as the street thug that does it.
01:33:36.000And the same thing happened with the First World Trade Center bombing.
01:35:39.000Cash, who did bring out a lot of evidence over the last eight and a half, nine years, and who has You've done quite a bit of credible reporting.
01:35:51.000But at the same time, we have the police, we have the firefighters, we have others saying they saw these Middle Eastern men.
01:35:57.000But this is classic CIA type operation.
01:36:00.000I mean, McVeigh was traveling the country.
01:36:03.000He was visiting every militia group, every land rights organization, every group the government had on a list, basically.
01:36:10.000Hundreds of groups from Idaho to Texas to New York to California.
01:36:15.000And, uh, we know McVeigh went into a CIA program.
01:36:18.000He did not wash out of Special Forces.
01:36:20.000Uh, we know that McVeigh had so that he was part of a secret operation.
01:36:24.000And, uh, if that is indeed in a new book coming out, that'll be interesting.
01:36:28.000But, of course, the government can poo-poo it because, oh, well, you know, it's somebody on death row saying it.
01:36:33.000All I know is that building was blown out, Nadia, and General Parton, the former head of Air Force Weapons Development's gone over that, the seismographs, the eyewitnesses, uh, all of it.
01:36:45.000Uh, they get a couple different groups involved, cook a bomb, carry out an attack, and then, uh, go after the Patsy.
01:36:51.000And, um, it looks like that's what, uh, happened here.
01:36:54.000If you want to see the real documentation on this subject, you need to get my film, 9-11, The Road to Tyranny.
01:36:59.000It goes over the history of government sponsored terror.
01:37:02.000uh... a review of it some of the best examples of it to the worst examples we should say
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01:37:27.000We'll go to Dino and Chris and Don and Wesley and others.
01:37:42.000We've got Paul Watson, who I want to ride shotgun with us a little bit into the next hour with our next guest, who got video and photos up close of the dozens and dozens of foreign armed troops On the Texas, New Mexico, Arizona border.
01:37:58.000These particular videos are from the Arizona border, but there have been photos and videos and mainstream news articles about Eastern Bloc troops, Chinese troops, Mexican troops.
01:38:31.000I was actually on quite a big mainstream radio show today and the host was talking about how he was a skeptic about Oklahoma City, but then he saw your video, 9-1-1 the road to tyranny, researched the facts for himself and now, like us, he's seen the evidence and is convinced that Basically, it was a government operation, no matter... I mean, we can debate the specifics of how it was carried out, but the bottom line is that the building was blown out, there were multiple bombs, and the keystone is John Doe No.
01:39:01.0002, because it provides the Middle Eastern connection, and ultimately the Bin Laden connection to the US government, which we're going to go over again today.
01:39:11.000And it came out in a Republican report in 1999 that they used Al-Qaeda and 15,000 Al-Qaeda fighters to attack the Serbs.
01:39:22.000Bin Laden, after he's bombing our bases every time Clinton needs a distraction, is in Albania launching attacks on the Serbs, being paid off by the U.S.
01:39:31.000Another total connection, and that's admitted!
01:39:34.000Well, in 96, a year after the Oklahoma City bombing, the British government and MI6 paid Al-Qaeda $200,000 to carry out political assassinations, and that calmly was reported in the London Times.
01:39:49.000So, the connections are there, not only before.
01:39:51.000I mean, people say, oh yeah, the CIA set up Bin Laden and the MAK, which turned into Al-Qaeda in 79, but then they say, oh, they disbanded them and withdrew support for them after that.
01:40:02.000But it is true that After the First World Trade Center bombing, after the Oklahoma City bombing, these connections were still there going strong.
01:40:10.000And we have this all being covered up.
01:40:11.000Now, some people criticize Cash because he focuses in on the white supremacists.
01:40:19.000But again, that's a big federal operation right there.
01:40:22.000I mean, from the evidence, the witnesses, there were Middle Easterners, there were white supremacists, there were FBI and BATF controlling it.
01:40:31.000And even a Discovery Channel documentary that aired months before 95 bombing admitted that the BATF was out at their main testing site in Arizona blowing up Ryder trucks.
01:40:45.000So, again, none of that is speculation.
01:40:48.000It is obvious what happened, but it's like the Kennedy assassination.
01:40:52.000You've got anti-communist Cuban hitmen, you've got Italian Mafia hitmen, you've got the best of the Dixie Mafia, Charles Harrelson, and this is all confirmed as shooters, well of course, the CIA, the FBI, they go out and they hire Individual contractors for another layer of deniability and division and that's exactly what LBJ's lawyer who's come out with a book and it's got all the documents that LBJ, we've had LBJ's mistress on who was at the party the night before where they bragged about how they were going to kill JFK.
01:41:31.000Well yeah, I mean with the First World Trade Center bombing they hire these people many of which are retards and they took the page Out of the history books, because you remember when Hitler had his stormtroopers burn down the Reichstag, they made sure that the Communist Van der Lubbe, who was also mentally retarded, was there in place to act as the Patsy.
01:41:52.000So, time and again with these operations, they use mentally retarded people as the Patsy, because they're so much easier to control.
01:42:00.000And you're talking about the First World Trade Center, where it took them weeks to train the two, both of them admittedly retarded, okay?
01:42:07.000One with a 75, one with an 80 IQ, one of them mildly retarded, one of them seriously retarded,
01:42:14.000how to drive the car, even how to park it up against the column,
01:42:17.000but the idiots didn't do that, thank God, and it didn't bring down one of the whole towers.
01:42:22.000Again, with 9-11, the named hijackers, obviously, there's a plethora of evidence
01:42:29.000to suggest that those hijackers are still alive, but the named hijackers that were used as apathies,
01:42:34.000most of which could not even get Cessnas off the ground according to their flight instructors.
01:42:39.000And so, again, mentally retarded people use it as the Patsy, they use the same MO to cover up these operations.
01:42:51.000You've been doing a lot of radio interviews lately, which is a wonderful thing, and you say you're on a big mainstream show this morning, and the hosts didn't believe the information concerning Oklahoma City until they saw the film.
01:43:04.000What show was that, and what did the hosts say?
01:43:08.000It was, I think it was MGAB in Cheyenne, Wyoming.
01:43:13.000The host was basically talking about the fact that he was a complete skeptic.
01:43:17.000I mentioned that, obviously, I run Prison Planet for you, mentioned you by name, and then he said, oh yeah, we had Alex on, you know, a few months ago, and that's the point where he woke up.
01:43:26.000I mean, there was only time to take one call, but that call was totally coherent and agreed with everything I said, and brought up many points about the Bin Laden family, such as the safe passage out of the country for the Bin Laden family on 9-11.
01:43:40.000So, I mean, you often mention the fact that 90% plus of callers on the stations that you feature on are all well-versed in what's going on and, you know, aware, and so, I mean, from the tertiary evidence that I've already entered into, obviously I've only done a handful of interviews, I've got several more lined up, that is the case, that the vast majority of people out there are not dumbed-down idiots like we're led to believe, but are actually well up on the truth.
01:44:09.000I want to go to Dino and Chris and Don and Wesley here in just a few minutes, but Paul, the Hutton Inquiry, appointed by Blair to investigate Blair, comes out and says Blair didn't lie about weapons of mass destruction.
01:44:24.000Their own whitewash committee says he didn't and we're supposed to apologize.
01:44:28.000I mean, this is really getting ridiculous.
01:44:30.000Well, I mean, the Iraqi exile group who gave Blair The evidence for him to make the outlandish 45-minute claim that weapons of mass destruction could hit British targets came out publicly just last week and said that it was, quote, a crock of, you know, fill in the blank.
01:44:48.000And so even that's tainted Blair again.
01:44:51.000And I mean, I'm just waiting for Bush to appoint Lord Hutton for his so-called independent inquiry into weapons of mass destruction in America.
01:45:00.000Yeah, now Bush is going to have an independent committee appointed by his people to tell us that Bush never told us there were weapons of mass destruction.
01:45:07.000Folks, we have memories, but they're going to tell us to apologize, they're going to be cleared by their own little board.
01:45:13.000Yeah, but with the Hutton Inquiry, Hutton the Freemason, he was there whitewashing the bloody Sunday Inquiry for the government years before that.
01:45:23.000Just like the government appointed John Stevens to whitewash the case of MI5 involvement in Irish Republican terrorism.
01:45:32.000But with the Hutton Inquiry, we need to realise that from the very start it was basically a rigged game on multiple levels because Tony Blair, days before the inquiry even started, came out and publicly said, quote, I know what the outcome of the Hutton Inquiry will be.
01:45:49.000And so the whole procedure of the inquiry was deliberately set up to obscure the fact that Kelly, David Kelly, the former U.N.
01:45:57.000weapons inspector, was murdered and did not commit suicide.
01:46:00.000And now a bunch of government people are saying he was obviously murdered.
01:46:05.000He talked to a lady who he worked with, an American as a weapons inspector, told her they were going to kill me soon and put me in the woods.
01:46:13.000Yeah, we've got top medical professionals and doctors and this got into the mainstream.
01:46:19.000Asking the questions, questions like why Kelly died from blood loss when ambulance personnel at the scene said there was very little blood, the fact that the arteries in the wrist match Dick's in anyway and little blood gets out before clotting takes place and that's all in the official medical report.
01:46:39.000But the main thing is that they told us Kelly ingested 29 Pro-Oximal tablets And he had a strong aversion to taking tablets, but aside from that, Alexander Allen, the toxicologist who testified at the Huston Inquiry, said that only one-fifth of one tablet was found in Kelly's stomach when they examined him, so how on earth
01:47:02.000And they get away with telling us he ingested 2019.
01:47:04.000Well, it's like Diana saying, Charles is going to kill me in a fake auto accident.
01:47:11.000And then now they've got another whitewash committee on that.
01:47:13.000But it's real simple with this weapons of mass destruction business, folks.
01:47:18.000You all heard Blair and Bush say they had them put out the false reports.
01:47:22.000We all know, we have memories, they're liars.
01:47:24.000Now they appoint their own commissions to say they never said it.
01:47:27.000That's an even bigger insult and an even bigger lie, Paul.
01:47:31.000We've got the whole set of the Bush administration.
01:47:34.000We've got Rice, Cheney, Bush, Ashcroft, Powell, all now saying that we didn't say that he had weapons of mass destruction, yet Tony Blair's still clinging on to the fact... And now we're going to have another whitewash commission to tell us they never said that.
01:47:49.000Folks, they said it all over television!
01:47:54.000It's like the Niger claim in the 2003 State of the Union.
01:48:00.000Months before, the CIA even admitted and told Bush directly, and obviously the advisors that control him, that that claim was false, and yet they still put it in the 2003 State of the Union address, and I suppose they're going to deny that as well.
01:48:15.000Yeah, don't listen to how he ever said that at the State of the Union.
01:48:54.000Listen, what I was calling about was when Janet Jackson did what she did.
01:48:59.000In other words, if you look at the garb, it's that medieval Highlander optic image, you know, the dark dress and everything else.
01:49:06.000Also, too, what happened is, if you notice that the symbol on the pasty was the sunburst.
01:49:12.000If you go back to the James Bond movies, where it was Ian Fleming, MI5, the whole bit, and Goldfinger, you remember the girl, the young girl pilot, they had this black tight-fitting outfit with that sunburst star?
01:49:23.000The sunburst stars also you see more or less when you go to the stores now on children's clothing, beddings, and housewares.
01:49:29.000It's generally the dark black or blue background with the gold crescent stars.
01:49:36.000Yeah, the globalists have their all-seeing eyes and sun symbols everywhere, yes.
01:49:40.000Right, this is part of the brainwash because you see the reason why the sun is very impopular, is meaningful to them.
01:49:46.000It's the knock-off take on what it normally means.
01:49:49.000Generally, when we think of the Son, we think of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
01:49:56.000So this was all part of the symbolism, and what I stated earlier was when Michael Jackson got up and danced on top of the SUV, on that blazer of him, he had like these I don't care about Michael Jackson.
01:50:14.000I don't care about his degenerate sister.
01:50:17.000I don't care about his disgusting parents.
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01:54:03.000I read a statistic this morning, and I've got the article here in front of me, where in the next 20 years, the majority of people in Britain will be foreigners.
01:54:14.000And, by the way, it's going to be like that here real quick, too.
01:54:19.000I want to keep Paul Watson over with us, as well as the callers, when Chris Simcox comes on to talk about all the video and photos they got of the masses of foreign troops.
01:54:28.000that are raping and killing and pillaging all over the southern border and kidnapping families and killing federal officers and that's basically a lot of fun.
01:54:37.000Paul Watson, we also need to get into the stage bin Laden capture.
01:54:41.000Give us, in a nutshell, your analysis of that.
01:54:44.000Well, it seems apparent that preparing the global theatrical stage for the presence of CIA troublemaker Osama But what people need to realize is that they've known where he was all along.
01:54:58.000We've featured the articles where the troops on the ground have his location pinpointed.
01:55:03.000We're about to swoop in before the raid gets suddenly called off because Bin Laden mysteriously disappeared again.
01:55:10.000Well, the Army colonel told the San Francisco Times he was ordered to stand down as black helicopters picked him up.
01:55:16.000yeah and uh... to just to add to this an interesting case which came out just
01:55:19.000running recently noticed this story uh... back in ninety nine a british couple
01:55:25.000uh... called alan and cindy thompson were driving through when pakistan in
01:55:29.000the very area that they're not talking about as being bin laden's location and
01:55:33.000after driving uh... for about eleven i was on dirt road they came to a checkpoint where they
01:56:01.000uh... guarded by a team of u s commandos Now, after the couple were picked up by the British Embassy, they were invited to a garden party where all the British ambassadors and aid workers were basically bragging that they were stationed in the same area as Bin Laden's secret hideout.
01:56:19.000So, after the couple got home, back to England, they saw a newspaper article calling for the capture of Bin Laden, and this was Um, right before the 2000 Clinton executive order, which stated the same thing.
01:56:33.000So the couple contacted Scotland Yard in London, the FBI.
01:56:38.000The Pentagon, and in every case, they got nothing.
01:56:40.000No response, no request for an interview.
01:56:43.000So, in 1999, we've got British ambassadors visiting Bin Laden, whose location is guarded by elite U.S.
01:56:52.000And when the couple that witnessed all this tried to report it, they were basically blackballed.
01:56:57.000So, of course, they know where Bin Laden has been.
01:57:00.000They've known for at least five years.
01:57:02.000And my report, going back almost two years from an inside White House source, Is that he died of kidney failure, that's the deal, to hand over the dead body, they're going to claim they killed him, and it's just going to be hysteria, worshipping the police state.
01:57:17.000How credible do you think that report is I put out two years ago now, Paul?
01:57:20.000Well, it's very credible, because it dovetails with the benefit of hindsight that we can look back to the precursor of the arrest of Hussein and draw parallels, because with that case we had public officials bragging that his arrest was about to take place, like Congressman LaHood in his local newspaper saying, you know, I know something you don't know.
01:57:42.000And now we have Madeline Albright and generals and others saying, you know, he's in our custody, oh, we're about to capture him, wink, wink.
01:57:50.000uh... now in the end of the claim he's alive look for a month to show you but
01:57:55.000just a few photos probably a double but they roll out the dead body on ice
01:58:34.000I mean, we've reached La La Land stuff.
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02:00:25.000citizen action group you don't want to miss that and we're going to have Paul
02:00:28.000Watson riding shotgun with us. I know we got loaded phones
02:00:31.000let's go to your calls uh... Chris in Tennessee then Don, Wesley, Jack, Clayton
02:00:36.000and others uh... go ahead Chris. Hello Alex and Paul. My first
02:00:40.000question to Paul is Mr. Silverstein on his insurance money uh... if war was
02:00:45.000if it was declared war, is Silverstein still eligible to collect that money?
02:00:50.000uh... yes Silverstein's gotten federal money he's gotten uh... a bunch of other money and he's gotten
02:00:55.000some of the insurance It's still all being fought over, but I've seen mainstream numbers of $6.5 billion, $7 billion.
02:01:02.000We're not really sure how much he's getting, but for a $50-$60 million up-front investment, Because the guy that just leased these, well he leased part of seven decades ago, but the whole complex months before, he made $500 million alone profit off Building 7 collapse, Paul.
02:01:20.000Yeah, Building 7 alone was $500 million, and I believe he's collected that.
02:01:24.000We've also got the Marvin Bush Securicom company that was running security at the World Trade Center.
02:01:32.000Contracts coincidentally ended on September 11, 2001.
02:01:37.000It just goes on and on, but yeah, I believe Silverstein has collected at least some of the money, and definitely the 500 million on Building 7.
02:01:44.000My other question is, with the Oklahoma City bombing, Dr. Stiles, or still, the dentist, who has been incarcerated because he said that he watched the video of the government starting the fire at Waco, and then I myself have saw the three 500-pound bombs that were still at the scene, and the first investigators that were there smelt the mercury vapor in the air.
02:02:07.000And my point being is this, is that right after September 11th, the report came out and said that Tim McVeigh had Saddam Hussein's personal cell phone on his possession, alright?
02:02:18.000The fact of the matter is, Tim McVeigh wasn't given a fair trial, in my opinion, and I just hate to see the McVeigh... Well, a Indianapolis reporter for the major paper said he saw McVeigh breathing as they rolled him out.
02:02:33.000This is a Pentagon that plants fake news articles in the newspapers.
02:02:37.000This is a Pentagon that admittedly lies.
02:02:40.000You cannot trust anything this government does.
02:02:42.000We're just trying to find the truth throughout all these lies, but going back to what you said about Dr. Charles T. Sell.
02:02:49.000The Army doctor admitted at Waco said, I saw them kill and burn those people.
02:02:56.000They grabbed him, no trial, and have been forcibly drugging him in solitary confinement for now six and a half years.
02:03:02.000This is just another example of what they'll do to cover things up, Paul.
02:03:07.000Yeah, on top of that we've got the public officials traveling to Oklahoma City the night before renting out hotel rooms and then uh... mister being on the scene the next day to act as
02:03:17.000heroes so i can do a smoking gun on top of the world
02:03:20.000and then later saying all i drove to town uh... that day after it happened turns out there there the
02:03:27.000night before yeah they got the receipts from the hotel room which stated
02:03:54.000Well, what I'm trying to get at is I met Tim McVeigh when he was alive, and this story of a jailhouse snitch is nothing, in my opinion, to sell books.
02:04:02.000The McVeigh family has been through enough, and Tim is not stupid enough to... I read Tim's final letters also, that's just my opinion, and I think that somebody just wants to sell some books on the jailhouse niche.
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02:09:26.000So the confrontation occurred the morning of Saturday, January 24th.
02:09:30.000Simcox, accompanied by a photographer and a video journalist, says the trio ran into a squad of armed Mexicans in olive-grab uniforms and two military-type vehicles.
02:09:40.000Others have reported Czechoslovakian, Chinese, you name it.
02:09:43.000Simcox said his group conversed with the group.
02:09:45.000We could see the men run to what appeared to be the leader of the squad, where they converse for a few seconds.
02:09:51.000He recounts, a moment later, ten of the men jumped into the troop transport vehicles and drove down the hill.
02:09:56.000In our direction, they stopped directly in front of us on the dirt road that parallels the border fence of the Mexican side.
02:10:02.000So the four men's rivals, M-16s and FALs, jumped from the truck and approached them on the fence.
02:10:09.000The cameras were rolling on both sides, he said, as the men approached.
02:10:13.000One of them was taking photographs of us.
02:10:51.000The leaders seemed perplexed about who we were and again asked What business we had in the area.
02:10:56.000We again replied that we were journalists covering the illegal immigration story.
02:10:59.000The leader again said we should not be in the area.
02:11:02.000Simcox said none of the uniforms the men were wearing had patches, names or insignias of any kind that we could identify them as official members of the Mexican police or military force.
02:11:11.000We've had Ranch Rescue a few weeks ago got shot at by Mexican troops.
02:11:17.000It then happened again And here to tell us the rest of the story of what happened is Chris Simcox.
02:11:49.000I think I reported to you before when we spoke that we had seen these mysterious groups running the border a year ago, and when the war started, they disappeared.
02:11:59.000Well, it's interesting that just after Mr. Bush made his, you know, free amnesty announcement to the world, that this mysterious group showed up again at this abandoned ranch that's used for primarily a launching site for illegals.
02:12:12.000And by the way, we have the numbers of illegals now up, according to the Border Patrol, 15% since Bush made this announcement.
02:12:23.000And again, from what we've seen in the last week, we've seen numbers like we have never encountered before.
02:12:29.000And it coincides perfectly with Mr. Bush basically announcing amnesty.
02:12:33.000In fact, the groups that are coming across now are quite incredulous that we're stopping them, saying that they are here for their amnesty.
02:12:42.000In fact, they're not yielding for Border Patrol.
02:12:44.000Uh, the only way that they will yield, uh, to us now is because we've all chosen to carry long arms, especially after coming up against these paramilitary groups.
02:12:52.000Now, Mexican troops have been shooting people, killing people, a lot of courage to go up against them, but obviously, uh, they, uh, uh, now they're, they've been reported to be on both sides of the borders, uh, shooting at people.
02:13:04.000These latest, uh, confrontations, which side of the border are they on?
02:13:08.000Well, I'll tell you, I took the film crew that I had with me last Saturday, and we paralleled the border and came up on the berm, as I said in the story, right on the border fence.
02:13:18.000As I was kneeling sort of behind this berm, trying to take photographs of these military, I hear rustling in the bushes, and 25 feet away from me, three armed men approached the fence and proceeded to come across.
02:13:32.000And I caught them right in the act of coming over the border fence.
02:13:36.000It was one of those moments where you've got three guys carrying M-16s, and they're staring at you, surprised that you're there, and we're surprised they're there, and it was one of those standoffs where you're not sure if shooting's fair.
02:13:47.000Now, they're admittedly shepherding illegals and drugs.
02:14:14.000Paul Watson comments on what Chris Simcox is saying.
02:14:18.000Yeah, the British perspective, as you mentioned, Britain in 20 years mostly foreign.
02:14:23.000Under the Labour government, immigration into the country has increased five-fold each year.
02:14:29.000And I mean, I live in an area where I can see the effects of that, eight, nine people to a house.
02:14:34.000And the solution, as ever, is, you know, we have to take a national ID card.
02:14:39.000I mean, blunket our Ohm Fuhrer's got another terror law out today to fight illegal immigration, which will institute pre-crime as a law.
02:14:48.000Now that's the actual headline, it says what you might be thinking, secret arrest, tell no one where you went, all crime is terror, it actually says this, and the headline is pre-crime.
02:14:59.000Yeah, and it says, based on MI5 or MI6 intelligence, the same kind of intelligence that they take from graduate students So they create the crisis off of the solution.
02:15:10.000on the iraq and weapons of mass destruction so i'm yet secret trials
02:15:15.000uh... without being convicted of a crime in the first place blunkets
02:15:18.000pre-crime as a solution to rampant illegal immigration which would be a
02:15:23.000labor government and accelerate so they create the crisis off of the solution
02:15:27.000uh... christened cox you're there on the border you're on the border patrol
02:15:30.000you're around other citizens what has been the effect on the morale of the border patrol
02:15:36.000uh... since you say a fifty percent increase they say fifteen percent
02:15:39.000increase uh... conservatively uh... what what is the effect on
02:16:03.000And you know, in human nature, it's gonna turn half of these guys bad.
02:16:06.000Half of them don't care in the first place.
02:16:08.000And that half is now going to figure, hey, if this is just free enterprise, then why don't we get in on it?
02:16:13.000So Bush has already won to a certain extent by destroying our morale, giving up... I mean, they'd already told him, pick up trash for your job, you can't stop illegals in certain areas.
02:16:24.000And now we have the Border Patrol Union head on a few weeks ago, and he said it's about a new world order, it's about getting rid of the middle class, it's about globalism.
02:16:33.000Do any of the Border Patrol agents you're around say it's about the new world order?
02:16:37.000No, I haven't really heard them refer to that.
02:16:40.000I think they take it much more personally.
02:16:41.000These are the grunts out in the field, and they know that their supervisors have them out there running around like the Keystone Cops, and they know that their hands are tied in doing their job as effectively as they could.
02:16:52.000A few of them, though, we see, and we saw some yesterday, who are out there doing gangbuster work.
02:16:57.000I mean, this one kid yesterday ran a group down probably over a mile.
02:18:33.000These guys don't like what we're doing.
02:18:35.000And again, it makes me nervous that they're taking my picture as I'm taking theirs.
02:18:39.000And again, there are a lot of things I don't print in my paper exactly for that reason, because I don't want these drug dealers knowing that it's us that are upsetting their apple cart, because they will come after you for that.
02:18:50.000It's only a matter of time before we feel that You know, they're going to come after us for... Well, why isn't the military on the border engaging these foreign troops when they come across that fence?
02:19:17.000Well, we are prepared, and again, we had a situation here in our county, and Cochise County is going to lead the way with citizens arming themselves and patrolling that border, as we already have.
02:19:26.000We had a mother and a 14-year-old daughter who were beaten, threatened with death and carjacked as they were going to school last week.
02:19:36.000We'll talk about it when we get back and take your calls.
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02:24:35.000This sounds incredible, but it's happening.
02:24:37.000Now Governor Schwarzenegger is going to give all the illegals driver's licenses we told you he would.
02:24:42.000We're about to go back to your calls and Paul Watson and have Chris Simcox ride shotgun with us and plug his amazing website for his great newspaper.
02:24:51.000But Chris, I mean you are an American hero.
02:24:54.000They're on the front line standing up against these people and you were trying to tell us a story of the beating of this woman and her child.
02:25:05.000A woman and her 14-year-old daughter were pulled from their SUV and beaten outside their rural Cochise County home Thursday morning in a carjacking by three men illegally in the United States.
02:25:15.000They stole their SUV, they punched the women in the mouth, stole their vehicle, got into a car chase with Border Patrol agents again on our rural highways right during morning rush hour.
02:25:27.000And children going to school right by children standing on the side of the road waiting for school.
02:25:31.000They should set up a roadblock and shoot that vehicle full of holes.
02:26:17.000And Paul Watson, that's what you were talking about earlier, then we'll go to calls, is in England they bring them in, give them carte blanche, they're allowed to do whatever they want, there's a double standard, but citizens are harassed.
02:26:28.000Yeah, that's the whole problem, reaction, solution paradigm.
02:26:31.000But a piece of good news, and this is why we need to support the great work of Chris and other people like him, Is that we're getting word out of the Bush administration that they are beginning to become concerned about the fact that, you know, basically they're brazenly slitting the throat of the country open with these socialist immigration policies, which is having the adverse effect, in their view, of waking up some of the phony conservatives to the fact that Bush is ramming through this socialist agenda.
02:26:59.000Even Michael Savage came out and said that Bush was a liberal I mean, look, last year Vicente Fox and thousands of Mexican troops paraded up and down the border re-enacting the war.
02:27:09.000to the intel that we're getting that could light the fuse, which may cause them to put
02:27:34.000It's going to be us against them, basically.
02:27:36.000We've put ourselves with, we're fighting a front, a battle on two fronts.
02:27:40.000We're fighting people coming over the border from Mexico, and now we have President Bush breathing down our necks saying, don't break a rule, or we'll put you out of business.
02:27:49.000Because it's not your job, we don't want that border closed.
02:27:52.000Every woman I mean, look, this is what the militia is about.
02:27:57.000They should levy a tax, if need be, right now, in all those cities, and pass the Kennesaw, Georgia law that made their crime rate go down by 98%, folks, that's Associated Press numbers.
02:28:09.000Everybody should have to be armed and trained, and the next time somebody tries to carjack, you know what to do.
02:28:15.000Well, we have our local sheriff who's had enough also, Sheriff Deaver, who is now forming a Citizens Volunteer Patrol Group that are going to Armed, patrol armed, our bus stop in the morning where our children wait for the buses and we've had enough, that's it.
02:28:31.000Oh yeah, I saw the articles how they shake the kids down, tell us about that.
02:28:34.000Oh yeah, you know, of course, the kids everywhere and the kids are standing, I mean, again, imagine this, this is the United States of America and mothers have to stand armed With their children at bus stops.
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02:32:45.000The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.
02:32:51.000Because there's a war on for your mind.
02:32:55.000We have Vicente Fox coming to Austin, Texas, giving an award to the police department for not following the federal law, aiding and abetting illegals.
02:33:03.000They build day labor sites just for them.
02:33:05.000No one else is allowed to go and get jobs.
02:33:13.000Metro, Araza, they're laughing, they've got murals with Aztecs cutting white people's hearts out, images of that.
02:33:23.000We've got rallies in San Diego where 4th of July parades aren't allowed by the illegals, where Hispanics and black and white veterans are beat up by them with 2x4s.
02:34:41.000I hate to detract from your current guest.
02:34:43.000I was holding in reference to the Oklahoma City bombing.
02:34:46.000And, Don, you haven't called in a while.
02:34:48.000You're a listener of a retired federal marshal who sent me some nice government info, public stuff, nothing secret, like the SLAT system.
02:34:59.000What would you like to say to people who don't think that video on Roads to Tyranny is real, where FEMA says the Christians and the Founding Fathers are terrorists?
02:35:25.000He alluded to something, and I could tell that he wanted to say it, but I think he was trying to stay in the middle of the road and didn't want to say it.
02:35:36.000I have in front of me right now the Oklahoma City Army final report came out in 2001.
02:35:42.000Yeah, Charles Key, the state rep, put it out.
02:35:49.000It's a 548 page report and I looked it up on page 328, section C, in reference to ATF unlawfully storage munitions in a federal office building.
02:37:14.000an ATF agent in charge instructed him and his partner to join with four of his agents and two U.S.
02:37:20.000Marshals in forming a fire brigade line.
02:37:24.000They were led down a short set of steps to the first floor level where they had to pry open a door and remove large chunks of concrete to proceed further into the building.
02:37:34.000He said they could hear the children from the daycare center crying and moaning, and thought they were there to help rescue the children.
02:37:42.000So they picked up the pace to clear the debris, thinking they were right on top of the kids.
02:37:49.000They continued clearing the debris until they came to a steel door that was jammed and had to be forced open.
02:37:54.000The room had concrete walls, was approximately 25 to 30 feet thick, and was very much intact.
02:38:23.000The C4 went off and detonated, unquote.
02:38:27.000So according to their report, uh, 1200 pounds of C4 was illegally stored in that building.
02:38:33.000And there's no way I believe that that was placed in that building.
02:38:38.000Accidentally, or... Well, no, I mean, that's admitted by the police, but also we have the bombs on the pillars with the blast points, and so when the other police are in there helping them get some of the unexploded bombs out, they go, oh, we were just storing the plastic explosives here.
02:38:54.000Then the disinfo people get involved and go, no, it was rocket launchers and some other stuff.
02:39:07.000I'm familiar with federal regulations and obedience to them.
02:39:11.000There's no way that those explosives were stored in that building if it was illegal to store them.
02:39:17.000And plus, I would bet a paycheck that of all the federal buildings in the United States, that was the only building where C4 was stored in at that time.
02:39:26.000So, I doubt Timothy McVeigh knew that C4 was in that building unless he was part of a conspiracy.
02:39:34.000Or some type of government operation in order to bring down that bridge.
02:39:52.000I mean, the Judge Wayne Alley, who had an office in the Alfred P. Murrah building, was warned.
02:40:00.000A week in advance he got a memo from the Justice Department which told him to be prepared for an unnamed terrorist attack directed against the federal building and he told the Oregonian and since then he won't talk about it similar to Willie Brown who got a warning about him not flying into New York on 9-11 in the San Francisco Chronicle the day after and now he won't talk about it so numerous government officials warned Absolutely great points, Don.
02:40:27.000And yes, I have that report five feet from me on the shelf, and I have read it, and that is in Road to Tyranny.
02:40:33.000And we have the police officer selling local news.
02:40:35.000Yeah, the BATF was in their bomb gear and told us not to, you know, we were told not to come into work this morning.
02:40:51.000I've always felt that there's something not right with the Oklahoma City bombing.
02:40:56.000I will look into that more now, since I learned that from your show, but again, I mean, my point's very clear.
02:41:02.000If our government is not stopping rogue groups of paramilitary on our border, if they're reaching our border, you know, miles in, what's going to stop a group from coming in loaded, with a truck loaded with that stuff, coming through these back roads that we work all the time, and driving to Phoenix, or making it that far, you know, or even Hitting one of the small towns here.
02:41:23.000I know there's an alert right now about potential attacks in Houston because it was so close to the border.
02:41:29.000Potential attacks when President Bush is going to be at his ranch in Crawford because they're so close to the border.
02:41:35.000And that's scary for me because I'm the biggest city.
02:41:37.000I mean, I'm sitting 50 miles from Lord Bush right now.
02:41:41.000Jack in Colorado, thanks for holding, go ahead.
02:41:46.000I came on a few weeks ago to talk about a lecture at my school by Jim Garrison, the president of the Gorbachev Foundation, and I wanted to give you a little update on what happened there.
02:41:57.000Basically, he was making a lot of the points, interestingly, that you do on your show about neocon aspirations to militarize space. But the answer is a UN
02:42:08.000global government, a left-wing world government.
02:42:11.000Exactly. New World Order 3.0, he said. 1.0 was League of Nations, 2.0 was UN, NATO, and now 3.0 is going to be
02:42:18.000a network of NGOs working with transnational corporations and sovereign governments.
02:42:23.000Yeah, the corporations are going to own the world fascist system, and we've got to set this up to counter the evil cowboy Bush.
02:42:29.000When the evil cowboy Bush is owned by them, they give us a false paradigm.
02:42:37.000Yeah, talk about the Gorbachev Foundation.
02:42:39.000I mean, these people go back decades, the left and the right elite, no matter whether they're capitalists or communists.
02:42:47.000Meeting at Bohemian Grove and Khrushchev's right-hand man met with the capitalists at Bohemian Grove in 59 and that was in the Wisconsin Daily Journal.
02:42:59.000for their business over the years and hope for a continuing and successful relationship with the quote in the newspaper so even back then these communist capitalist ties were very strong it's basically the elite and it's this controlled paradigm which then leads to the call for a left-wing government after this neo-con-imperialism.
02:43:18.000Secondly I wanted to make one other point really fast and I'm sure other callers have done this before but on 9-11 Road to Tyranny it's a great film you should watch and study it On my computer, at 1 hour 17 minutes, and between 5 seconds and 13 seconds, there's another shot of the plane running into the second tower, and you can clearly see in the background, an aircraft in the background, flying out of the right-hand side of the screen, and I think everybody should check that out.
02:43:47.0001 hour 17 minutes, 5 seconds to 13 seconds.
02:43:52.000Let's go ahead and talk to Clayton in Missouri.
02:43:56.000Clayton, you're on the air with Chris Simcox of the Tombstone Tumbleweed, covering the dissolving government, the capitulation, the foreign troops, and also our contributor, Paul Watson.
02:44:37.000I need to call him back, but ever since our traitorous president opened up our sovereign border to criminal, illegal, felon aliens, They have been coming across Camp Thunderbird, the whole 600 acres over there, in droves.
02:45:21.000He said at least four times as much, and that's when it was It was in August, which was really, you know, I don't want to say a trickle, but it wasn't a heavier time in that part of Cochise County.
02:45:33.000And Chris, I'm glad to hear you guys are carrying long guns.
02:45:35.000We were down there with FALs running up and down the border in the back of the Toyota, and I never really saw much Border Patrol.
02:45:40.000When I did, they were doing nothing, and I don't know if that's changed.
02:45:44.000But, I mean, why should they do anything now?
02:45:51.000I mean, really, Um, and hang on just a second, Chris.
02:45:54.000Alex, you should go down there, and this is just a suggestion, but I mean, it might be a good thing to go down there and just have a show down there.
02:45:59.000You know, get Chris and Jack and everybody together and do a remote from it.
02:46:15.000It's just mind-boggling when you watch Groups of 50, 60, 70 people now at a time, and one evening, in fact, the first patrol we did after Bush announced his amnesty, I mean, the first night we were out there, I counted almost 100 people being dropped off along this one sector, and they're being escorted by these Mexican military groups.
02:46:36.000You know, the other thing, talking about this... Who, by the way, are operating out of... They've got their patches off, showing it's a covert operation.
02:47:13.000Um, certainly, they're all heavily armed.
02:47:15.000They're driving first-generation diesel-type Humvees, unmarked, and they basically have set up a garrison at the same ranch where the drugs and the illegals age from every hour on the hour.
02:47:27.000And by the way, they'll take over towns on our side.
02:48:33.000And there's a map here of the world, and here it says, as we try to envisage what a new world order will look like on the map, note that 12 geographic realms can be divided into two groups.
02:48:47.000And this is the exact same map If you have read Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper, you know what I'm talking about?
02:49:24.000You've got surveillance in bathrooms of schools.
02:49:26.000So even at that level, the police state and the New World Order is being ingrained to youngsters.
02:49:31.000And then above that, at the college level, you do get these textbooks, which educate that elite viewpoint where, you know, they buy into it and they think that they're part of it.
02:49:42.000But at the same time, Rush Limbaugh says there's no New World Order.
02:49:46.000Even when the Pope calls for one in December.
02:49:50.000Well, in this book, New World Order right there, capitalized, bold text, but yet in the glossary, in the index, there's nothing.
02:49:58.000And there's only one other mention of New World Order in this book, it's in a chapter on Russia.
02:50:02.000The New World Order, now in the making, will rely substantially on the events of land in the Czar's Forge.
02:50:07.000And that's the only other mention of it.
02:50:10.000Go to news.google.com and type in New World Order.
02:50:14.000You'll get an article every day where world leaders across the globe are talking about the establishment of a New World Order.
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02:56:38.000Yeah, I mean, as we were saying, the central issue is immigration, because it proves that the war on terror is fake.
02:56:44.000It proves that the police state to justify it is fake.
02:56:47.000And as we need to mention again, the division is not by race or political bent, because The latest poll from the Center for Immigration Studies said that 60% of the American public thought that immigration was a critical threat to the vital interests of the USA, while in contrast, only 14% of the members of Congress thought the same thing.
02:57:09.000And the ones who do make up that small percentage in Congress, like Tancredo, I'm told to never darken the steps of the White House again, so it's a division between the people and the elite who know that this immigration is about lowering America to a third world level and slitting the throat of the country, whether it be a Democrat or a Republican.