Alex Jones reviews The Passion of the Christ and gives his thoughts on the media spin about it. Big Brother and the media are covering up the truth. You want answers? Well, so does he. He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network and now live from Austin Texas.
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00:08:09.000Laying down your life for your brothers, your neighbors, your family, and for strangers
00:08:26.000is the most beautiful thing you can do.
00:08:28.000It takes so much strength and courage, but once you commit yourself to it, it's frankly not that hard.
00:08:40.000And instinctively, in the trials and tribulations that I've been through, it is actually rewarding to not sell out, to stand up against evil, and I would be honored someday to be chewed up by the New World Order and in the fight against it.
00:09:02.000I mean, when you realize how evil the globalists are, And what they're doing to the human spirit and humanity, how they institutionalize into the architecture of civilization the dumbing down, the ingraining of true evil into the human system, your very humanity and God's programming should be crying out against it.
00:09:32.000Really, I don't have words to describe how deeply moving the passion of the Christ was.
00:09:37.000It was more than I thought it would be.
00:09:39.000It was very well done, very nightmarish, and at the same time, uplifting.
00:09:50.000And I was over at my parents' house having a dinner last night after I saw the Passion, and I wish I would have written the Rabbi's name down.
00:09:57.000He was on Scarborough country, the neocon with beady eyes, but he was a British rabbi, had the hat on, and he was very well-spoken, laying out what a good film this was, how historical it was, according to Jewish and Roman historians, and what good friends Christians were of the Jews, and how stupid it is that all these leftist, New World Order, secular humanist Jews are attacking the movie because they're anti-God.
00:10:54.000I saw an article where a group of pastors had bought out a couple theaters And bought everybody tickets.
00:11:00.000And they were going to preach after the film, but after they saw a pre-screening of it, they decided not to do that because there was nothing they could add.
00:12:29.000I mean, if you're not threatened by the mechanized, scientifically crafted, focused, burbling evil that is taking over right now at every level, and if you don't feel your muscles tensing and the hair on the back of your neck standing, and if you don't feel coiled to resist it, and if you're not throwing your weight against this machine, and if you're not trying to awaken others And in yelling it from the rooftops, you've got a sickness.
00:13:02.000The Hollywood elite hate this movie because it's wholesome, it's Christian, it's uplifting, it's about sacrifice.
00:13:09.000And let me tell you, everything we've got, the civilization we've got, the plenty we have, is because of people putting their lives on the line.
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00:13:58.000That's all my material possessions are about.
00:14:02.000Okay, I said we'd take a bunch of calls.
00:14:03.000If you've seen The Passion, and you love it, hate it, if you've got comments on it, if you haven't seen it but have seen media reaction to it, you can also comment.
00:14:15.000But this is what we're talking about right now.
00:15:03.000I think that was probably Rabbi Daniel Lappin, I suspect from your description.
00:15:13.000Rabbi Daniel Lappin was in the Daily News article, but he was a gentleman, this was a gentleman on Scarborough Country, and I wish I would have written down his name, but I mean, I agree with everything he was saying.
00:15:27.000I watched the movie last night, and I guess I had pretty much the same reaction you did.
00:15:52.000And it shows us how wicked society is, and in the real world, this is a true story, but in the everyday real world, we see the innocent being persecuted, just like Christ was.
00:16:09.000Well, that's an age-old question, and I'm not sure I have the answer to.
00:16:15.000You brought up something the other day, or started to, about the ADL, and why they so violently object to this movie.
00:16:25.000Of course, we understand that they, to some extent, they defend Israel and defend Jews worldwide, except in instances where Jews run counter to their interests, like, as you pointed out, the Second Amendment, where Jews are in favor of gun rights, they will attack Jews as well.
00:16:45.000But I think more specifically, the ADL is about being a front for the New World Order Remember when Reese did the hearings in Congress back in the fifties into the tax-exempt foundations that seemed to be underwriting communism, some of the investigators were amazed to find that they were getting threats from ADL representatives.
00:17:27.000The ADL is almost, you know, there's an identity between the... Exactly!
00:17:33.000Look, look, anti-Semitism is a horrible label, and the ADL is a rent-a-demonization squad.
00:17:41.000And so they love a real Nazi like Arnold because he's pro-New World Order, but then if you fight Nazis and you're anti-New World Order, they come after you.
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00:18:08.000And my question to you was, you know, every morning on a Monday morning when I watch the news and they tell you how much each movie made for the weekend, the grossing, my question was, do you think that the criminal media is going to obscure the numbers?
00:18:21.000Because those numbers that are going to come out for The Passion of Christ are going to be pretty large.
00:18:26.000They're not going to be able to obscure the numbers.
00:18:29.000Preliminary numbers are between 19 and 30 million for the first day.
00:18:33.000They're not sure we should know by this evening.
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00:18:45.000It's a reflection of what the people want to see.
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00:24:45.000I just wanted to say that I encourage the moms and dads out there to take their teenagers.
00:24:51.000We took seven teens last night and we had to buy tickets ahead of time.
00:24:56.000They were sold out so quickly and I'll tell you this movie affected them more than any other church service or anything that we've ever brought them to.
00:25:07.000When we got home we sat around and had a discussion and It was very moving.
00:25:12.000Yeah, the same Hollywood crowd that wants your children to go see the most violent stuff imaginable is going, ooh, don't take even your teenagers to this.
00:25:22.000I think you should take five-year-olds to this.
00:25:25.000I mean, this is real, this is historical, this is what happens, and the people need to know And then when your children see cheap, you know, demonic violence, they will know the difference and see violence for what it is.
00:25:41.000And maybe when they watch shows like 24, when Keither Sutherland's torturing some woman to death, maybe they'll see him for what he is, a demon trying to sell us the doctrines of devils!
00:25:52.000That's right, and my husband was commenting that maybe A scaled-down version could be made for television so the younger children would be able to see it.
00:26:02.000Mel Gibson told Variety he'll never air it on TV because no commercials will be played and nothing will be scaled down.
00:26:10.000But he is saying... Yeah, it just was a shame that the younger children weren't permitted in, you know, because it was rated R. Well, actually, a parent can take their child to an R-rated film.
00:26:33.000Well, for all the violence they see on TV and movies, Well, I mean, you know, that's like saying, look, that's like saying you shouldn't watch a documentary of German concentration camps.
00:26:44.000I mean, that's naked, dead, emaciated piles of dead bodies.
00:26:48.000That's much grosser and more violent than this movie, but that's okay!
00:26:53.000You know, it's okay to show what the Japanese did to our troops, but don't show Jesus.
00:28:11.000And I was talking with our pastor and he said precisely that.
00:28:14.000He said, you know, He said, this movie is a gift from the Holy Spirit, and it's touching hearts, and the New York Times and all these other secular newscasters are having a tizzy fit like the demons were, you know, in the movie, you know, and trying to cast remorse.
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00:36:18.000I just wanted to point out for anybody who's saying that the movie is anti-Jew or anti-Roman or anything, that Mel Gibson very craftily depicted an entity, a powerful entity, behind the scenes influencing the torturers and influencing the people.
00:36:32.000And I think a lot of people are missing that.
00:36:35.000We know Christ was tempted by the devil, Satan, Beelzebub, There when he was in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights and up on the mountain, and we know the devil was slinking around and he confronts the devil after he's crucified and comes back and rises again, but in the film they have the devil running things and
00:36:59.000I would say the most brutal people in the film are obviously the Romans.
00:37:02.000And it just shows how Hollywood, because they hate Christianity, tried to use the label of anti-Semitism.
00:37:09.000But I think it's blown up in their face.
00:37:55.000You know I called up in the past and I supported everything that you've done opposing the New World Order, and when it comes time, I will throw on my suit of armor and fight right beside you.
00:38:26.000And I've been listening to your show, and a lot of times people do call up and you say you want to stick to the facts, you don't want to talk about hypotheticals, only things that you can prove.
00:38:35.000In the whole beginning of the show, I've been hearing this is a historical event, and let me make my whole comment to you, this is a historical event, this actually did happen, when really, Alex, it's always good to have faith.
00:38:50.000However, there really isn't enough documented evidence that I have seen, other than a Bible, that actually supports the theory or the historical life or birth of Christ.
00:39:05.000Now let me ask you, hold on, hold on, let me finish please.
00:39:08.000Now put him on hold, put him on hold, because you know, we have a dialogue here, and I get to talk too.
00:39:15.000That's like saying, I've never seen George Washington, where's the proof?
00:39:18.000Or, I've never seen Caligula, but Caligula did live and there were a whole bunch of Jewish historians, Roman historians.
00:39:29.000So just because you haven't bothered to look for the evidence, and don't know about archaeology or history, which I do, more than most people, I could certainly learn a lot more, but I'm interested in these things.
00:39:41.000Yes, when I'm covering the news or legislation, I stick to the facts.
00:39:45.000Yes, I'm a Christian, because I have faith in what I believe in.
00:40:07.000But now, go ahead now and you can finish up.
00:40:10.000Alright, yeah, I can appreciate your comment.
00:40:13.000But what I want to say is, do you think for one moment that if a Bible had the power that everyone puts into this book That the New World Order would give them out for free in every motel so that you can defeat their God?
00:40:30.000That book would be in the bottom of the Vatican with a lock on it so tight that you don't even know about that book.
00:40:42.000I gotta let you go because what I said is we're talking about compassion and we're taking calls.
00:40:46.000Some other day we can have this debate.
00:40:47.000Or you can call back in the third hour after I rebroadcast this interview because it's a very important interview and we can talk more.
00:40:55.000You know, the Gideons paid to have Bibles put in the churches and in hotel rooms and in other places.
00:41:02.000And that's what made America free, and that's what made 4% of the population have half the wealth.
00:41:07.000Now we're becoming decadent, we're losing the wealth, we're losing the freedom, we're losing the milk and honey, we're going back into bondage.
00:42:14.000I just wanted to make an observation of some of the things that I have recorded, you know, like primetime and Nightline and things that have come on about the passion.
00:42:27.000And, you know, one of the things with Diane Sawyer, She made the comment, or gave the statistic, I don't know how reliable that was.
00:42:38.00080% of us are Christians, which people say they are, and then she says, and then 20% aren't.
00:42:45.000Ooh, we're very diverse, how dare the Christians!
00:42:48.000So she takes the numbers, showing we're a Christian nation, and says we're not.
00:42:52.000Right, and the comment that I just want to make on that is You know, you've been talking about the things that are going on in the world today, and particularly in American government.
00:43:06.000And, you know, for her to say that, and to say that 80 plus percent claim to have Christianity in their background, and then the way that the media and Hollywood and everything are just obscuring this movie, it's as if You know, the majority doesn't rule, like we're supposed to be founded on.
00:43:29.000You know, the minority, a small minority, just like you've been saying, they have an agenda, they're pushing that agenda, and they're ignoring what the majority... Exactly, and what happens is, in most cases, is the majority believes the tiny man behind the curtain saying we're all alone, we don't have any power, and you can't fight City Hall, and you can't defeat the New World Order, when that's a parlor trick.
00:43:57.000The globalists or the cosmic con artists, they've convinced us, but finally, once enough of us stand up and say we're not listening to your propaganda, we find out we are the majority.
00:44:08.000But see, so many people are like cattle.
00:44:11.000If they hear that the majority is for something, they go, well then I'm for it, when it wasn't the majority to begin with.
00:44:55.000You know, I saw an interview, actually, of a rabbi I have not seen the movie yet, but if you could probably point out this scene to your viewers of a lot of Jewish people yelling at Jesus when he was about to be crucified.
00:45:15.000And, you know, comparing that to anti-Semitism I think is wrong because no matter what religion or creed you are, there's going to be Good people and bad people that want to see that sort of thing.
00:45:29.000You can compare it to like an online vote right now if you'd watch Osama Bin Laden executed on television.
00:45:35.000I mean, that's just my point that I wanted to make.
00:46:19.000Well, I haven't seen The Passion, although we are planning on going to see it before we take our children to make sure it's appropriate for our younger teenagers.
00:46:30.000I was wondering, Alex, if you were aware, according to an artist's rendition in an American Legion magazine, the new Veterans Memorial for World War II is a Roman triumphal arch.
00:47:54.000Well, we think there was a definite message there, and that is that God wants us to know what Jesus endured for us, so as to prepare us not to deny Him when it's our turn to be tortured for Him.
00:48:56.000I wanted to address the caller earlier.
00:48:57.000It sounded like he was from New York or somewhere up there saying that the The Bible was the only proof that Jesus ever existed according to what he's read.
00:49:05.000He's obviously never read Antiquities of the Jews written by Josephus.
00:49:10.000It writes extensively of the time of Jesus and what he did.
00:49:13.000And also the Roman Plaintiff spoke of the followers of Jesus.
00:49:17.000And a well-known man named Napoleon said, quote, Man I know, and this Jesus Christ I know is no mortal man.
00:49:26.000There were over twenty Jewish and Roman historians, Greek historians, there were at least five historians who saw him, and saw him after he was resurrected.
00:49:37.000This is the most documented thing from ancient history.
00:49:41.000And what he said about the Bible being buried in the depths of the Vatican is a big joke.
00:49:47.000If God wants people to read the Bible, which He does, God is going to let people have the Bible, and that's just out of line.
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00:55:12.000And I heard a rumor that basically they had a big roundtable before that day, Roger Ailes and all the neocons, and they were basically tipped off and they were told, you tell the truth, your careers are toast, you go along with the line, you're going to make millions.
00:55:27.000Yeah, it's pretty obvious what they did, and it's a staged deal, it's a CIA operation, we know that.
00:55:34.000They're given their orders, what to do, what to say, how to operate, and Clear Channel owns the voting machines in many areas, and they run the candidates, and they, uh, everything!
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00:55:47.000Yep, and even on the local paper, I tried to get my local paper to talk about World Trade Center 7, And one of the editors says, oh, I'm just not interested in it.
00:55:55.000And I said, you're not interested in one of the biggest stories of the last hundred years?
00:55:58.000Yeah, the owner says we blew it up on national TV, and they can just go, okay, you blew it up, great, thanks a lot.
00:56:11.000I was wondering what your definition of Zionist is.
00:56:17.000I've been listening since the first of your show, and you were speaking then of being Of not being anti-semitic.
00:56:24.000That's right, I'm not against... But you spoke of someone who was anti-zionist and you seemed to agree with them, so I just needed to know your definition of zionist.
00:56:34.000Well, I'm against, say, Mecha, who says that they hate white people and blacks.
00:57:55.000And, you know, maybe we should have a debate about this.
00:58:00.000What I was talking about was this article, Anti-Semitism Charges Causing More Damage Than Film Could.
00:58:07.000Two weeks before the opening of Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ, online ticket merchants reported that up to half of their total sales were from the film.
00:58:16.000One Dallas Multiplex has received and reserved all 20 of its screens for The Passion.
00:58:21.000I am neither a prophet nor a movie critic.
00:58:23.000I am merely an orthodox rabbi using ancient Jewish wisdom to make three predictions about the movie.
00:58:30.000And Daniel Lapin, I totally agree with him.
01:00:04.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:00:09.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:00:17.000Alright, my friends, we're now into the second hour of this global transmission against tyranny in defense of liberty.
01:00:25.000Coming up later in the show, they're saying they're about to capture Bin Laden, this time out of the mainstream news reports, out of the Sunday Telegraph, out of the Washington Times, and we believe this is going to be a stage capture.
01:00:42.000We've been saying this for over two years from my White House sources.
01:00:46.000Also, we'll get into anti-Semitism charges causing more damage than Film could, from a rabbi that wrote a great editorial, Daniel Lappin, that's going to come up later.
01:00:58.000Also more on the Rhode Island governor withdrawing their martial law legislation.
01:01:04.000He's now apologized and said that he hadn't read the bill.
01:01:28.000Uh, CBS News, years of FBI agent crimes detailed.
01:01:32.000Uh, that's coming up later in the broadcast, and I'll also get into some of, uh, well, my comments on Hutton, Hutton Gibson's supposed comments, uh, concerning, um, Well, some interesting issues, and I do have some comments on this, so that's coming up later as well.
01:01:51.000Before we go to our first guest, who I'm honored to have, well, our guest for this hour, I wanted to just remind you that Dr. David Kelly was the head of the Level 4 Porton Down Bioweapons Lab in Wilshire, England.
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01:02:56.000There were rumors of this last week that somebody who'd been inside the British government had sources that said they could confirm that Dr. David Kelly had been killed.
01:03:05.000But the folks that got that story, I guess, didn't take time out to go ahead and get in contact with the individual who was bringing forward this information himself.
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01:08:14.000We're going to have an article this evening on the website.
01:08:22.000It'll appear first on PrisonPlanet.com.
01:08:27.000And I want to thank Simon And I want to thank Rowena and I want to thank Paul Watson and all the folks that have been working on this story and for getting us this guest.
01:08:40.000And again, he's Michael Shrimpton and a national security lawyer or barrister.
01:08:48.000And he's written for major anti-terrorism journals.
01:08:51.000He has given his expert advice to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence for the U.S.
01:09:50.000Can you recap who he was, what happened to him, and then from your sources, you even know down to the specifics of how they killed him, and from your sources, who was behind the killing.
01:10:03.000Yes, David Kelly was probably the most respected microbiologist in the United Kingdom, certainly one who specialised in weapons of mass destruction.
01:10:12.000He was the head of our main WMD laboratory at Porton Down in Wiltshire.
01:10:17.000He was very involved in the dismantling, verification of the dismantling of the Soviet WMD programs after the end of the Cold War.
01:10:25.000He spent some time inside the bad old USSR.
01:10:31.000He was the senior British inspector on UNSCOM, the UN mission inside Iraq.
01:10:38.000He spent some considerable time in Baghdad.
01:10:42.000He was working very closely with our overseas intelligence service, MI6, or the Secret Intelligence Service, and he was a major, high-value British intelligence asset.
01:11:00.000And well liked, too, within the British intelligence community, and also respected in the United States.
01:11:07.000And then suddenly Tony Blair smearing him in the press and he ends up dead and the witnesses according to the London Times and their publications saw four men in black uniform standing around him.
01:11:21.000Go over the whole controversy of, I mean, Dr. David Kelly was a hawk for the war but he wasn't going to put out false intelligence.
01:11:30.000Go through that for folks that missed out on it.
01:11:32.000Well yes, David Kelly briefed in a British BBC journalist called Andrew Gilligan, and also spoke to another journalist for the BBC television's Newsnight programme, and he briefed in both journalists along the line that the case for, the WMD case for war with Iraq had been exaggerated.
01:11:52.000There's a lot of dispute about exactly what was said and what wasn't said.
01:11:55.000The BBC Today programme, which is the leading radio current affairs programme, led with a story from Andrew Gilligan, which didn't name David Kelly as Andrew's source.
01:12:06.000Now, we know that David Kelly was, and my own intelligence sources confirmed that before the BBC itself confirmed it on Sunday the 20th of July.
01:12:18.000Big dispute as to who authorised his name to be given to the media.
01:12:23.000And he was asked to appear before a committee in the House of Commons.
01:12:26.000There was a lot of controversy about what the government had been told, how truthful a dossier that they had prepared on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction was.
01:12:35.000And shortly after he gave evidence to the House of Commons, he was found dead on Friday 18th of July of last year.
01:12:43.000There is a dispute about exactly where he was found.
01:12:46.000According to the official version of events, he was found dead in a copse or a wood at a place called Harrowdown Hill between the village where he lived and the River Thames.
01:12:59.000But the forensic tents, it's noticeable, Alex, that the forensic tents that were set up by the local police force, Thames Valley Police, were actually set up in the field.
01:13:08.000Why you would have someone killed in the woods and have the police tent over the scene of the crime set up in the field, no one has yet been able to explain to my satisfaction.
01:13:19.000Now, the government were blamed for causing the death, but the way the government were criticised was this.
01:13:29.000That they had caused his name to be leaked to the media.
01:13:32.000That had put him under intolerable pressure and he had allegedly committed suicide.
01:13:36.000The initial media reports all went with suicide and the mainstream media in the UK is still reporting it as a suicide.
01:13:44.000The government responded very quickly and brought in a law lord, Lord Hutton, who had previously been Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland.
01:13:53.000And the Hutton Inquiry has very recently reported that Lord Hutton Didn't challenge the suicide verdict.
01:14:01.000There was no cross-examination of witnesses before the Hutton Inquiry as to the cause of death.
01:14:07.000It was assumed that it was suicide and the BBC were essentially blamed for poor reporting.
01:14:15.000The Hutton Report, I'm sorry to say, is widely seen as a whitewash, and it's been rubbished.
01:14:18.000A very senior British intelligence officer recently retired, a lieutenant colonel, Crispin Black, who was on the Defence Intelligence staff until 2002, has basically described the report as a laughingstock, and I respectfully agree.
01:14:33.000Yeah, I've seen major polls where over two-thirds of British people believe it's complete fraud.
01:14:38.000I mean, obviously, Tony Blair hires one of his cronies to come in and say, oh, you didn't do anything wrong.
01:14:44.000And then even that's a whitewash of a larger whitewash, because obviously, according to the medical reports, the coroner's report, the doctors that have looked at it, The suicide verdict, that's a fraud itself, and let's go into your sources and what really happened to Dr. David Kelly.
01:15:04.000Absolutely, although I wouldn't be allowed to say that Tony Blair had hired a judge.
01:15:08.000You understand that in England we don't hire judges.
01:15:12.000The judge is on the state payroll anyway, and I wouldn't want to be thought of as suggesting that anybody had put a little extra funds Lord Hutton's way.
01:15:21.000I'm quite sure Lord Hutton took no extra payment.
01:15:24.000Well, what I'm saying is that obviously Hutton's been involved in what's been called whitewashes in the past.
01:15:31.000The report, I'm sorry to say, with respect to Lord Hutton, the report is a complete whitewash.
01:15:36.000Well, I mean, you have a government institution whitewashing for another government institution.
01:16:44.000I was suspicious of the suicide theory from the word go.
01:16:46.000Now that source told me he'd done some digging and discovered that, he didn't name names, but he discovered that it had been known about in Whitehall prior to the 17th of July that David Kelly was going to be taken down.
01:16:59.000Now normally with a suicide, Alex, you appreciate we don't like people knowing in advance.
01:17:04.000If people know in advance of the death, that normally points away from suicide.
01:17:13.000A lot of work has been done since the murder, and there's been particularly a great deal of medical research.
01:17:21.000Now, it's absolutely clear that David was murdered.
01:17:23.000The suicide theory just doesn't hold water at all.
01:17:26.000The official version of events is that he took some Coproxamol tablets.
01:17:31.000Now, Coproxamol is available in England only by prescription.
01:17:37.000There is a problem with that, because there is no evidence that David Kelly was ever prescribed Coproxamol.
01:17:44.000Now, Coproxamol, I think, is available in the United States.
01:17:47.000It's a combination of dextropropothene and paracetamol in a ratio of 1 to 10.
01:17:54.000It's not a very powerful painkiller, and the level of Coproxamol in the bloodstream, according to the official toxicology report, was about 1 third, i.e.
01:18:05.000Now, 29 tablets were allegedly missing, or were missing, from a packet of Coproxamol found by the body.
01:18:13.000The problem is that there is only one-fifth of a tablet in the stomach and there's no evidence of substantial vomiting.
01:18:19.000There is a little bit of vomit found on the body, but not much, and there's no analysis done of the material.
01:18:26.000The stomach contents do not support the suggestion that he ingested 29 Coproxamol tablets.
01:18:35.000Interestingly, the initial media reports, and when we look at staged suicides or political assassinations, I find it very useful to concentrate on the early media reports, because if there is a cover-up, usually the cover-up kicks in after 12, 24, 36 hours.
01:18:53.000The first media reports are very often the most accurate, particularly if they're coming from local news organisations.
01:18:59.000And the early media reports make no mention of a bottle of water.
01:19:05.000In theory is, Alex, that he took these co-proximal tablets, having set out on a walk in the course of which he was going to commit suicide, and took with him a bottle of water to swallow the tablets.
01:19:17.000Problem, no mention in early media reports of any bottle of water.
01:19:22.000That detail was only added in after a group of concerned people in England, professionals called the Kelly Group, had made the point, and it was already out into the open, Now, the suicide version of it can't be right.
01:19:36.000He was found with one wrist slashed, and the ulnar artery, which is the artery near... Tell you what, we've got a break.
01:19:42.000We're going to come back and go over the circumstantial evidence, and then your sources inside intelligence that say, hey, we got the word, he was about to be killed, and then who killed him?
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01:24:15.000one eight hundred two five nine nine two three one now we're talking to michael shrimpton
01:24:21.000and international security barrister in england He has given testimony and advice to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence for the U.S.
01:24:33.000And he's obviously very knowledgeable about intelligence and the activities of intelligence agencies.
01:24:39.000He has a lot of sources in MI5 and MI6.
01:24:42.000You just heard him talk about one source inside British Intelligence that said they got word that Kelly was about to be killed by the government a week or so before he actually died.
01:24:53.000I want to go back into that in more detail coming up here in a few minutes.
01:24:59.000Mr. Shrimpton was then going over the material evidence of the murder, and you'd gotten to the point of the slitting of the wrist.
01:25:09.000Yeah, he clearly didn't slit his own wrist.
01:25:12.000The idea that he exsanguinated, that he died from hemorrhaging, he bled out from a cut to one wrist only, to the ulnar artery is just nonsense, Alex.
01:25:23.000Firstly, the artery that was cut was the ulnar artery, which is more difficult to reach.
01:25:27.000It's on the little finger side of the hand.
01:25:40.000Second problem, he, according to the autopsy report, he severed or transected the artery But once you transect an artery, we have something called vasoconstriction.
01:25:52.000The artery retracts and that promotes clotting.
01:25:55.000It's very difficult to bleed out if you sever one artery only.
01:25:59.000And I would second that with David Halpin, a doctor, a trauma and orthopedic surgeon, as well as Stephen Frost, specialist in diagnostics.
01:26:10.000I mean, there's a whole bunch of top-level doctors saying this is a complete fraud.
01:26:15.000One doctor went around promoting the official version of events and attacked these doctors in the Guardian newspaper in England and talked about slashing wrists.
01:26:21.000Well, David Kelly on the official version of events didn't slash his wrists, plural.
01:26:40.000If you're out in the open, if you're not keeping the temperature high, the arteries will not stay dilated.
01:26:48.000It is very difficult indeed to bleed out in the open, even if you slit both wrists.
01:26:54.000Slitting one wrist only, much less blood loss, and we have conflicting accounts of the amount of blood found by the body.
01:27:01.000The most reliable eyewitnesses in my judgement are probably the paramedics who found him.
01:27:08.000They talk about comparatively little blood loss.
01:27:10.000There is no solid evidence that a lot of blood had left the body.
01:27:16.000There were no adequate measurements of the amount of blood left in the major vessels in the heart and so on.
01:27:20.000Now, talking to you earlier today, it's pretty clear that they drug him up, then as he's dying, slit his wrist to create this scene.
01:27:30.000From your sources inside the intelligence community, what really happened to Dr. David Kelly?
01:27:35.000Well, in my judgment, based on conversations with sources and with medical experts, and a great deal of work has been done over this since the murder, he was probably murdered by a combination of an injection, not through tablets, but an intravenous injection of dextropropoxyphene and paracetamol, the constituents of coproxamol, and a muscle relaxant called succinylcholine.
01:28:03.000Succinylcholine is a favourite method of assassinating people.
01:28:06.000It's used by intelligence agencies, particularly the French DGSE.
01:28:11.000Succinylcholine, although it's used therapeutically for treating, facilitating intubation and so on, can be lethal.
01:28:20.000And in combination with the constrictions of coproxamol, 30 mg would probably have been a lethal dose.
01:28:28.000The problem for someone investigating an assassination by succinylcholine is that it metabolizes even after death.
01:28:38.000In other words, it's one of those drugs that leaves no trace, unless you have a very expert pathologist who really knows what he or she is doing.
01:28:47.000Now, all you can find is what it metabolizes into.
01:28:51.000You cannot find the original chemical.
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01:33:07.000Because Tony Blair is a minion of the globalists.
01:33:12.000He's the tool who's trying to destroy British national sovereignty, to bring the British people under the dominance of the unelected, unaccountable European Union, whether they like it or not.
01:33:24.000He's been promised the EU headship under a new, expanded, empowered EU, if he can get Britain into it.
01:33:35.000He lied about the weapons of mass destruction.
01:33:38.000It's clear that if Tony Blair was to have been exposed, that would certainly hurt those in Europe that want to get rid of British sovereignty.
01:33:48.000And talking to Michael Shrimpton, our guest, our intelligence expert, who has his sources over there in England, talking to you earlier before the show, you talked about your sources, the evidence you have that It looks like that it was elements of British intelligence or of the government using French intelligence to go and do their dirty work, which by the way is a standard operation.
01:34:18.000If intelligence agencies are getting rid of some of their own people, they will generally use a sister agency in a sister country.
01:34:26.000I know this is very delicate, Michael, but can you go over what you talked to me off-air about?
01:34:35.000Firstly, I should make it clear, I have absolutely no indication that anybody in either of the British intelligence agencies, MI5, the Security Service, or MI6, the Secret Intelligence Service, is being involved.
01:34:45.000On the contrary, my sources are telling me that both services are extremely unhappy.
01:34:50.000Now, the indications are, and you understand I'm being cautious, aren't I?
01:35:15.000Again, I've got to be obviously careful on air, but the indications are that the tasking for the assassination came from within the UK, but I can't name any individual official or minister.
01:35:29.000The tasking was generated in the UK, went to Paris, was then OKed in Paris, and on the information available to me, the operational agency for the assassination was DGSE.
01:35:41.000Now, there are also indications, and I'm, again, obviously Alex, you appreciate I'm expressing myself with caution here, there are indications that DGSE, in order to false flag the assassination, should their team be discovered, used Iraqi intelligence assets from the Iraqi Muqabirat Agency that were available in Damascus after the fall of Baghdad.
01:36:05.000And I have one source suggesting that an Iraqi team, that's to say, an ex-Muqabirat team recruited in Damascus with the assistance of the Syrian intelligence operation, also the Muqabirat, were flown into Corsica in the seven days prior to the assassination of David Kelly.
01:36:24.000Now the standard French practice when they carry out assassinations is to take their own team out and I am very doubtful that any of the people involved directly in the assassination of David Kelly are still alive.
01:36:34.000It would be highly unusual for French to permit anyone involved in an assassination for them to Well, we've seen this in the past.
01:36:43.000You've had the big controversy the BBC's reported on about the British intelligence using Al-Qaeda individuals to try to kill Muammar Gaddafi.
01:36:56.000Of course, the Iraqis were allies during the 80s, and so a lot of these guys were trained in the US, trained in England, trained in France, and then bringing these assets back in.
01:37:19.000Well, I mean, wouldn't these Iraqis know that they were doing this hit, that they were going to be in deep trouble afterwards, or were they told, you don't have a choice?
01:37:28.000They may not have worked for French Intelligence before.
01:37:31.000If you were offered a job by French Intelligence, I would turn it down.
01:37:35.000If I could advise anybody approached by French Intelligence to do a hit, I would strongly advise them to turn it down or increase their life insurance.
01:37:44.000They were probably, I mean, assuming it was Iraqis, and I can't be positive, there are indications pointing towards an Iraqi involvement, I can't be positive about DGSE, I have a range of sources, as you've said, and those sources point to Paris, and they point towards DGSE.
01:38:32.000Because David, after all, was a British intelligence asset.
01:38:34.000Well, by the way, my webmaster, Paul Watson, has talked to a major British news reporter who has talked directly to British intelligence, and they said months ago, I'm talking six months ago, the same thing that you just said here.
01:38:50.000Oh, that is interesting, because that would be almost certainly a different source to mine.
01:38:57.000One of the problems in the intelligence world is loopback.
01:39:00.000Something you think is independent confirmation may turn out to be.
01:39:05.000I understand, but I mean clearly from the circumstantial, from the material evidence, you've got murder, you've got a cover-up, you've got a spin, you've got a motive, you've got him telling the U.S.
01:39:16.000doctor, his colleague, if I don't shut up, I'm going to be found dead in the woods, they're going to kill me.
01:39:33.000Yeah, the source that spoke to me on 19th July, after the assassination, because you see this source was a friend of David Kelly's, and so David was a friend of a friend, and this source obviously was not very happy, it didn't take him five minutes to work out that this was murder, not suicide.
01:39:51.000He then made inquiries, and he established from Other sources that the murder was known about in advance, i.e.
01:39:59.000the death of David Kelly was known about within a section of Whitehall prior to the 17th of July and he was very unhappy and that source came through to me and effectively I'm acting as an interface between the media and the intelligence community.
01:40:15.000It is not possible for the intelligence community to do what I'm doing now and go on to a radio show Well, you have an impeccable record, and you've been involved in a lot of high-profile cases.
01:40:27.000You've testified before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence for our Senate here, and you write for major intelligence journals.
01:40:34.000You've certainly impressed me, Mr. Shrimpton, because I study this stuff continually, and you're just massively knowledgeable, more knowledgeable in many areas than I am.
01:41:20.000And this was a confidential briefing on a case in which I've been involved, which obviously I can't discuss on the air as a courtesy to the guys and girls I briefed in.
01:41:31.000Now, I was just going over some of your bio for folks.
01:41:34.000Now, as we sit here looking at this, for those who don't understand why an element inside England would want to use someone outside England who would then use another membrane between them and the hitmen, that's just standard operating procedure, but why would the French be happy to go along with getting rid of Kelly?
01:41:58.000Well, it would depend on the French assessment of whether or not the government would be at risk.
01:42:03.000The French would definitely want Tony Blair's government to remain in office.
01:42:09.000They would be very concerned, indeed, at any suggestion that might risk the government.
01:42:14.000There's a very strong geopolitical motive for the French retaining their ally.
01:42:19.000Don't forget that the Blair government is a close ally of President Chirac.
01:42:23.000There have been a series of private meetings between Prime Minister Blair and President Chirac since the assassination.
01:42:27.000And they're pushing the Euro, so they believe that if Blair's in danger, the Euro's in danger.
01:42:33.000Tony Blair is the most high-profile politician in the UK, committed to destroying the national currency.
01:42:38.000And the French very much want Blair to remain in office for geopolitical reasons, and we've just had a very unusual summit between Blair, Chirac and the German Chancellor Schroeder.
01:42:49.000I'm not naming Tony Blair as the person who generated the tasking for the assassination.
01:42:54.000Indeed, I am quite comfortable that it wasn't Tony Blair who put the tasking into Paris.
01:43:02.000Now, question marks, what did he know and when did he know it, that there I'm You know, I can't be so confident.
01:43:09.000Well, obviously Tony Blair's a puppet.
01:43:11.000I mean, he's not running the entire mechanism of the government, so... Well, he's a puppet Prime Minister anyway, so he's committed to the European Union.
01:43:20.000I mean, he takes his orders... Like anyone who says we should be in the European Union, you take your orders from Brussels, because that's what government from Brussels involves.
01:43:27.000Exactly, so... That's the constitutional position.
01:43:30.000You know, European Community Law is...
01:43:32.000Supreme, according to the European Union, and it takes precedence over British law.
01:43:37.000Yeah, your Magna Carta's gone if that sucker passes.
01:43:46.000You're right, incidentally, on the false flagging.
01:43:51.000I'm often called upon, formally or informally, usually informally, to deconstruct assassinations, to look at a particular assassination and try and work out what's happened.
01:44:00.000Basically, in counterintelligence work, we would normally recognise eight methods of trying to disguise an assassination.
01:44:08.000The first method is you would try and blame it on your political opponents.
01:44:12.000That was done in Sweden recently with the assassination of Anna Lindh, the very nice Swedish Foreign Minister.
01:44:17.000An attempt was made to blame that on opponents of Sweden joining the Euro.
01:44:22.000You can blame it on a terrorist organisation.
01:44:24.000That was done particularly with the IRA in the attempted assassination of Margaret Thatcher.
01:44:28.000The assassination of the war hero Airey Neve, a Conservative MP, was blamed on the Irish National Liberation Army.
01:44:35.000The terrorist organisation might carry out the assassination, but in almost every case, the terrorist organisation is working for a government.
01:44:43.000A third method of disguising assassinations, Alex, in my experience, is to false flag them.
01:44:51.000Now there are elements of false flagging in the Kelly assassination, because had the team which carried out the assassination been discovered, clearly it could have been false flagged via Baghdad and, you know, we'd have had three Iraqis in Oxfordshire, assuming it was Iraqis for the sake of argument, and obviously blame would then go to Baghdad and Paris would be off the hook.
01:45:12.000The Iranians tried that quite successfully with the attempted assassination of the Pope.
01:45:17.000and back in the early nineties that they have a lone gunman theory now you guys are very
01:45:21.000familiar that because uh... you recall that uh... somebody tried to blame
01:45:25.000lee harvey oswald assassination of president john frederick kennedy and you
01:45:28.000had amusing suggestion to those of us who now that more about that as a nation that is in the public
01:45:35.000uh... classic example of a lone gunman assassination theory in europe
01:45:39.000and with the assassination of the dutch politician pimp fortune which is blamed
01:45:43.000and on a lone gunman An explanation which doesn't carry much weight with me, since in the photographs of the assassin that I saw, there was what appeared to me to be a very thin wire leading up to an earpiece in his right ear, and normally, Alex, lone gunmen don't run around with radios and earpieces.
01:46:08.000I mean, Netanyahu's giving speeches about, somebody ought to get rid of this guy, and then Rabin's security steps back and they blow him away.
01:46:17.000Well, there are certainly respected commentators, General Thomas's, who would say that the Rabin assassination was definitely not down to a lone government.
01:46:33.000It was done in the case of a British politician, Hugh Gaitskell, who was opposed to Britain joining the European Economic Community, and he came down with a tropical disease in Moscow in the middle of winter, generally speaking.
01:46:43.000It was spotted at the time as an assassination, but MI5, although they brought in Porton Down, where David Kelly worked, incidentally, Porton Down were brought in, but Porton Down couldn't work out how the disease which got Hugh Gaitskell, which is lupus disseminatus, a very nasty disease indeed.
01:47:00.000It attacked the organs very similar to Ebola.
01:47:02.000How this tropical disease had found its way to Moscow.
01:47:04.000They couldn't work out how, what the agent was for getting the lupus into Hugh Gaitskell.
01:47:11.000We now know it was probably aerosol, but at the time that technology wasn't known about in England.
01:47:16.000Then you've got accident, and there are a couple of interesting political assassinations in Zimbabwe of Road accidents, which I would put a question mark against.
01:47:26.000It's less common to try and stage accidents, but it's not unknown.
01:47:30.000A friend of mine was nearly taken out in Argentina a few years ago in what looked to me to be a slightly dubious accident.
01:47:36.000She says, Prince Charles is going to kill me in a staged automobile accident, and then she dies.
01:47:41.000Well, the Diana assassination is certainly probably the classic recent example of trying to make it look like an accident.
01:47:48.000Yeah, we've been having all these microbiologists in government weapons programs will be walking down the street at a university and a van jumps the rail, chases them, runs them over, then backs back over them, drives back over them, and the police just go, an accident, a hit and run.
01:48:04.000Well, if you want the truth about an assassination, the best people to talk to are the Israelis, because they had Danny Atom, a lovely guy, by the way, who was then head of Mossad in 1997.
01:48:27.000The seventh method of disguising assassinations, in my experience, is to try and use a naturally occurring poison.
01:48:33.000A favourite of intelligence agencies is saxitoxin, which occurs in shellfish.
01:48:39.000So it's possible, providing you can get some shellfish into the stomach of the victim, a saxitoxin assassination, providing you successfully disguise the puncture wound, or you can find a method of getting the poison into the body.
01:48:53.000You know, you can get away with that if you're lucky.
01:48:57.000And then the final method is the one tried in the case of David Kelly, that you try and make the murder look like suicide, but it's very difficult.
01:49:04.000In this case, the attempt to slash the wrist was pointless, because he was already dead, and there's not enough blood.
01:49:12.000None of the witnesses, in my judgment, reports enough blood consistent with him bleeding out.
01:49:17.000And the medical experts that we've talked to, and I've, you know, I've been insisting on this.
01:49:23.000The medical experts generally reckon that you'll be looking for five pints, that's English pints, of blood.
01:49:30.000There's nothing I've seen that persuades me that more than a pint was lost and that's about consistent with what you'd expect from transecting one ulnar artery, completely transecting it.
01:49:41.000It then retracts clots and you get surprisingly little bleeding from cutting your ulnar artery.
01:49:48.000Well, sir, can we keep you a little bit in the next hour?
01:49:52.000Because I want to come back and go to Pat and Jim and Lenny and others that have been patiently holding.
01:50:10.000And how the media tries to spin this, but why do you think the media have been so willing to go along with the official government story that it's a suicide?
01:50:20.000The mainstream media in the UK are largely committed to UK membership of the European Union.
01:50:24.000And my guess is that most of the newspapers in the UK would be worried about the political consequences of going public with any story suggesting David Kelly was assassinated.
01:50:34.000And then you've got technical competence.
01:50:36.000There aren't that many good investigative journalists in the UK, and it's not that difficult to get the mainstream media to buy an official version of events.
01:50:47.000Just, you know, the Fed says this, just write it and go drink a beer.
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01:54:23.000Continuing with what we were discussing, and just briefly recapping, you have a source who, in intelligence, talked to his other sources, and it was widely known in intelligence that there was an order to get rid of Kelly even before he died.
01:54:41.000My source learned after the assassination that others in Whitehall were aware of the assassination in advance.
01:54:53.000And that source had spoken to, obviously he was a friend of David Kelly's, knew him well, had worked with him, and clearly once his friend was found dead in a wood, made investigations, and when he made investigations, he discovered that this assassination was known about in advance.
01:55:10.000And he told, and this is in the Associated Press, BBC, you name it, he told an American doctor who was on the team with him in Iraq, he said, if I don't shut up about this, I'm going to end up dead in the woods.
01:55:23.000Yeah, there was also an interesting conversation with David Brucher, who was formerly British Ambassador in Prague in the Czech Republic, along similar lines, and David Brucher, I think, was a witness, in fact, to that inquiry.
01:55:37.000David Kelly worked... I should... I mean, I never had the privilege of meeting him.
01:55:43.000My friend certainly worked with him and knew him.
01:55:46.000David worked very closely with the United States intelligence and worked very closely with Sergeant Mike Pedersen in particular, but I get the impression he was very highly thought of in the U.S.
01:56:00.000Was this done by the pro-EU crowd, the globalists I would call them, to put out a chilling effect into everybody in intelligence to keep your mouths shut?
01:56:17.000It's tolerably clear, one can't be certain, tolerably clear that he was taken out in order to prevent him talking.
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02:00:12.000Talking to Michael Shrimpton, National Security Barrister in England with his intelligence sources concerning the murder of Dr. David Kelly.
02:00:21.000And British people are very Very suspicious, as are many other folks around the world.
02:00:56.000My next question, why didn't the British or the American or the Israeli intelligence assassinate Saddam Hussein before the war?
02:01:07.000Well that's a big question, probably better directed to intelligence officials.
02:01:12.000Assassination is a very, I mean I'm opposed to assassinations in principle, one of the reasons why I'm outraged by David Kelly's assassination.
02:01:20.000Assassination is a double-edged sword, and I think had we gone in and taken out Saddam Hussein, that would have rebounded on both Britain and America very quickly.
02:01:30.000So I think the call not to assassinate him was probably well made.
02:01:35.000It's also more difficult to assassinate politicians like Saddam Hussein than first appears.
02:01:40.000You remember the CIA's ...to try and get rid of Fidel Castro.
02:01:46.000They had to go for several years and they didn't get anywhere close to assassinating him with exploding cigars and what have you.
02:01:53.000I would say the call not to take Saddam Hussein out was right.
02:01:57.000The danger with assassinating somebody like Saddam Hussein, you build up inside Iraq popular support for his regime.
02:02:04.000Yeah, you turn him into a martyr and also it'll cause a revolution even before you get there and then you won't control kind of the way the balls break.
02:02:26.000As more and more doctors and people come forward, and as you come forward and say it's clear that he was murdered, I mean, where does all this go for Tony Blair?
02:02:35.000Well, there are indications that he may be preparing to resign.
02:02:40.000He's denied officially over the weekend that he's planning to resign, which is an indication that he is.
02:02:45.000Never believe anything until it's officially denied.
02:02:48.000A number of key advisors have bailed out.
02:02:51.000Alastair Campbell, another key advisor, Philip Gould, has just been offered a peerage, which is a form of retirement we have in England that you don't have in the United States.
02:03:44.000Neville Chamberlain, I think that without being disrespectful to my Prime Minister on the air, I think it's a close call between Tony Blair and Neville Chamberlain.
02:03:55.000You could have ten different politicians and economists and military strategists sit around a table and come up with ten different answers as to whether Neville Chamberlain surrendered more of Europe than Tony Blair, and whether Tony Blair surrendered more to France and Germany than Neville Chamberlain did.
02:04:31.000We'll come right back and we'll go to Lenny Bloom.
02:04:35.000Who's been on this story and we'll also talk to David in Texas and a few other callers for our guests and we'll get to Bob and Ron and others and a bunch of other key news items.
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02:08:33.000We can talk about the Passion of Christ, if you've seen it, or you can talk about the plunging economy and the economic numbers that are coming out.
02:08:43.000And Bush saying that hamburgers and french fries are durable goods.
02:09:36.000Um, I want to say I'm not a Christian.
02:09:38.000I don't consider myself a Christian, but I do think that, uh, because I don't think he is God, but I definitely think he's a revolutionary, wonderful spiritual leader, and I think The Passion was a great movie, and everyone should see it.
02:09:50.000Yeah, and I think it totally displays how you will government persecutes the innocent.
02:09:55.000Well, I wouldn't adhere to any organized religion because I think that it had always been a tool of the elite to control and partition civilizations.
02:10:02.000Yeah, but that's what Christ was saying, is He was saying this organized thing has turned into a fraud, and He was telling the truth, and I believe He was God.
02:10:12.000But I totally believe that these puppet masters pulling the strings behind the scenes are involved in satanic ritual abuse of children.
02:10:28.000Well, they're just obsessed with this... You know, anyone, like you said... So you think it's a manifestation of their psychology that they worship the horned God?
02:10:37.000No, I believe there's definitely something evil that they worship.
02:10:49.000I just don't really follow any religion in particular.
02:10:53.000But I think that they abuse separation of church and state in the name of the phony liberals because they want to use that to crack down on freedom of speech.
02:11:05.000And then the phony conservatives say Christianity is worshiping government.
02:11:12.000A liberal conservative of all these terms, when you get down to it, the Republicans and the Democrats have different rhetoric, but their actions are identical.
02:11:23.000And, I mean, that's really, at the end of the day, what it comes down to.
02:11:30.000And the elites do believe in the occult.
02:11:39.000Now, establishment Christianity is something completely different.
02:11:42.000It's, you know, the Patriot Act is good, that's what Jay Sekulow says, you know, go along with it.
02:11:48.000And, you know, some people, some of the Mormons aren't going, they're saying it's too violent, it's R-rated, and that's missing the forest for the trees, or the trees for the forest.
02:12:01.000Some Protestants, and I'm a Protestant, say, well, it's got some Catholic overtones.
02:12:05.000My point is, it's better than what Hollywood's been putting out.
02:12:14.000I mean, there wasn't really a crow there pulling an eyeball out of one of the murderers' socket or whatever, and then the thief goes to heaven.
02:13:01.000I hate to go against the grain on this, but years ago when I was a boy, we had a pastor, Mal Kerr, and he used to say, if your father was killed by a speeding locomotive, would you walk around with a little locomotive on a chain around your neck?
02:13:35.000And so I don't see how you can say that laying your life down for those that you love, but also those that hate you, is not a wonderful gift.
02:13:46.000And, you know, for the remission of sins.
02:13:48.000And so I really... You know, I've heard this line It is, but I wouldn't want to make a profit off of it.
02:13:54.000Well, you know, there's a famous comedian, Bill Hicks, who I agree with some of what he had to say and disagree with a lot of what he had to say, but he said, yeah, you know, do you think when Jesus comes back, he wants to see a cross?
02:14:07.000He wants us to remember what he did for us.
02:14:09.000Let me tell you, if the feds grab me and blow my head off or beat me to death when I'm fighting tyranny, I hope people will remember me for the sacrifice I made.
02:14:20.000And if the globalists do something to you because you're fighting tyranny, I'm going to try to remember you, and I hope folks will.
02:14:57.000Out of this, though, I mean, it shouldn't get into cross-worship, or, you know, worship of the saints, or, you know, you put that above Christ.
02:16:30.000It's changing... This is why, though, I don't have a religious talk show, because everybody fights with everybody.
02:16:36.000Everybody's got the right sect and doing the right, you know, has the answer.
02:16:40.000I just fight evil and do unto others as I have them do unto me, and I fight against the New World Order, because I know that's what God wants me to do.
02:17:08.000Okay, because, uh, I had heard differently, but... Okay, well I guess I'm lying to you then.
02:17:14.000Okay, but I kind of agree with the previous caller.
02:17:16.000I don't trust anything that Hollywood puts out.
02:17:20.000Well, Hollywood didn't put this out, and Hollywood attacked them.
02:17:25.000I understand, but I think there's a smoke screen.
02:17:30.000I don't want to get into my personal life, but I know the Gibsons, and they're good people.
02:17:40.000Man, I tell you, we are really in trouble if we can't even see something that's good when it's right in front of us.
02:17:46.000Well, I have a problem, though, when all the mainline churches, and it just seems like everybody's just jumping on board all of a sudden.
02:17:54.000Well, I mean, look, look, look, they're definitely trying to co-opt it for their own reasons.
02:17:58.000I mean, you know, look, it's like Bush with this Defense of Marriage Act.
02:18:02.000He's not doing that because he really is a Christian or cares about marriage.
02:18:06.000He's doing it because the will of the people demand it.
02:18:09.000Now, am I saying that this constitutional amendment's good?
02:18:12.000No, because it'll start a con-con, a constitutional convention, where they can rewrite the whole thing.
02:18:18.000But, Bush is having to respond on the surface like he is good, because we really have the power.
02:18:25.000We have to stop having this attitude of, we're defeated, we don't have power.
02:18:29.000We have the spending power, we have the boycott power, we have the decision-making power, To steer this economy and this society, the problem is we've cowered too long in the shadows and let the tiny, globalist elite run things, and it's time we stop doing that, and it's time we create our own media and our own infrastructure.
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02:24:30.000The Gibson family, they're a really good family.
02:24:32.000In fact, I'm going to the Health and Freedom Rally, which is out in Irvine, California, and Hutton Gibson is going to be one of the banquet speakers there.
02:24:41.000Are you familiar with that rally at all, Alex?
02:24:55.000One of the questions that I have is, okay, fighting this tyranny in the United States and throughout the world with the New World Order, I'm a Christian and I have a hard time understanding where the 13 families fit in, and in the Bible, in the book of Revelations, it says there's going to be the Antichrist.
02:25:34.000The infrastructure of the New World Order, I don't make the world fit into a template that preachers have taken and then interpreted the way they want to.
02:25:44.000I look at the world with the facts and the documents and the structure of the New World Order, and I report the structure of that New World Order.
02:25:55.000And so the churches say you're not going to have this because the Bible doesn't say it.
02:27:20.000And that's what the New World Order is.
02:27:22.000It's a big, global, organized crime syndicate, hereditary crime syndicate.
02:27:29.000And then the religion comes into it, because they're part of a hereditary death cult called the Skull and Bones, and that's just one node of a larger, worldwide cult.
02:27:39.000According to Helmut Schmidt, German Chancellor, who talked about how he's a member of it, in his own political retrospective of Men and Power, his own autobiography.
02:27:49.000So, you know, the Bible tells me that evil devil worshippers in high places are under the control of demons and Satan and run things, and then, lo and behold, I study world leaders and they're all Satanists who are under the control of demons they believe.
02:28:04.000So even if you're an atheist, okay, our world leaders are complete lunatics who believe in the devil, so it might as well be real, because that's the manifestation of what they're creating.
02:28:15.000And that sounds completely crazy, what I just said, but it's historical, documented, mainstream, fact, hidden in plain view.
02:28:24.000So, we could be having world government come down on us right now, and they're going to kill all the Christians.
02:28:36.000You know, yesterday I read the BBC about how they kidnap kids in Eastern Europe and cut their organs out and kill them and sell the organs.
02:28:44.000I mean, I'm going to fight that even if they come kill me.
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02:37:09.000He said, he said, you're going to be persecuted.
02:37:11.000Well, and I think that Mel is experiencing firsthand, jeez, if he gets that much persecution just from telling the story, what about the guy who lived the story?
02:37:20.000It's easy to see how they crucified Christ if this is so offensive to the powers that be, so to speak.
02:37:27.000To say, love your neighbor as yourself.
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02:41:13.000Yes, I saw The Passion yesterday, and I have nothing but positive things to say about it, but I'd rather speak about Mel Gibson and some of the surrounding issues with it.
02:41:22.000I've been familiar with Mel Gibson's career since back in the late 70s and 80s and watched the films that came out then.
02:41:28.000Anybody who knows his work from beginning to end He is nothing but a good person.
02:41:33.000I mean, his movies, Gallipoli and Breaker Morant, are two of the best movies.
02:41:38.000They show character, integrity, honesty.
02:41:42.000He chooses, he tries to choose scripts that are uplifting, where the good guys fight against the bad guys.
02:41:50.000When I came home from the Passion last night, I was watching some of the criticisms, and the worst I've ever heard from the beginning of this whole controversy came on Educational TV on Charlie Rose Show, where he had Christopher Hutchins and a panel of journalists.
02:42:07.000They ripped apart the people who went to the movie, Mel Gibson.
02:42:55.000That's all cute and funny, chaining somebody down and torturing them.
02:42:59.000And so the culture that says torture's good sees a film that's historical showing Somebody laying themselves down for us, and yeah, I've heard them say it's like a snot film.
02:43:16.000That there's all this gratuitous violence in Hollywood, but it's not the kind of violence you feel because they shoot them, they tear them apart, but you really don't feel the suffering.
02:43:24.000It's like a cartoonish version of violence.
02:43:37.000I guarantee you, police watching that, abusive cops that like to beat people up, aren't going to be beating as many people up after watching that.
02:44:31.000The reason I called is that I had been watching my local news and they had two broadcasters, a pre-release A showing of it, a church group had sponsored it, and of course everybody was very, very positive.
02:44:45.000Now last night, when it actually opened for the public, they interviewed people again.
02:44:49.000Some of them were Christians, but some of them were not.
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02:45:04.000She wants to go when the crowds aren't so big.
02:45:06.000She can't stand watching a movie with 15 crying kids, which is what happened.
02:45:11.000But, I'm sitting there, and as we get in there, sit down at 3 o'clock, good seats, I walk outside and I watch for 15 minutes CBS and Fox interviewing people.
02:45:23.000And they would, it's the same thing we saw at the airport.
02:45:48.000So, I mean, yeah, time and time again, we watch this happen.
02:45:52.000So yeah, they had massive trouble finding somebody that didn't like it, And, you know, I saw hippies, I saw, you know, the stoners, I saw the conservatives, I saw blacks, whites, Hispanics, Catholics, you know, with the cross on the head deal for yesterday.
02:49:25.000The literary license that he took in reference to the raven that plucked the eye out of one of the thieves, I was reading once in a comic, Crucifixions, and I guess that they did have a problem with ravens.
02:50:26.000For some reason it was the walk with the cross that really affected me.
02:50:30.000Well, I think, you know, when Christ gives up the ghost and, you know, in a way, how beautiful His face is in that surrender after the sacrifice.
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02:53:57.000I mean, I would agree with what Don was saying, where Christ falls down hauling the cross and his mother runs up to him and she sees him as a little boy.
02:54:08.000And you know how grueling it is when he's hauling the cross around.
02:54:11.000Don, real quick, finish up because I'm going to try to cram a few more in here.
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02:54:20.000I believe God's going to use this to bring in the final harvest of Christianity around the world, and what is going to take place is going to take place.
02:54:48.000Yeah, I missed the first part of your show, so you might have already hit this, but they've tied two amendments to that bill.
02:54:54.000Yeah, they've tied gun control to the gun show loophole, they've shut down the gun shows, and they've tied the assault weapons ban back to it.
02:55:44.000Yeah, they say on his own property, McDonald's can have a sign on their own property on the highway there, but he can't have a sign on his own ranch saying you got a Fourth Amendment.
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