In this Friday edition of Conspiracy Theories, host Alex Jones is joined by Kyle Hens, co-founder of 9-1-1 Citizens Watch and contributor to Unanswered Questions, who was there when Christopher Broder stood up and said, "Remember, your government funded and created al-Qaeda." And then we'll be able to hear all the stuff we missed after C-SPAN cut the feed on their feed three days ago.
00:00:13.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:22.000Well, you're going to be glad that you tuned in today.
00:00:37.000If you want to be truly informed, this is another ultra-massive broadcast.
00:00:44.000Kyle Hens, co-founder of 9-1-1 Citizens Watch and a contributor to UnansweredQuestions.org, who's been in all of these different commission meetings, the 11 public ones, who was there when Christopher Broder stood up and said, remember your government funded and created Al-Qaeda.
00:01:01.000And then we'll be able to hear all the stuff we missed after they cut the feed on C-SPAN three days ago.
00:01:14.000The lovely and intelligent and dynamic Stephanie is going to be calling them here in about 10 minutes and getting them on the line.
00:01:21.000Then, coming up in the second hour, former Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey, who has come out and told the world, I killed innocent people for our government in the Sacramento Bee.
00:03:59.000EU supports WTO membership for Russia.
00:04:01.000That's part of the global government formation.
00:04:04.000Bulldozers keep on demolishing in Rafa.
00:04:08.000And there's an editorial in the Washington Times saying press can't get abuse story, they can't let it go, as if people are bad to even be reporting on this.
00:04:18.000And more on Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9-11.
00:04:22.000I typed in Alex Jones Fahrenheit 9-11 and even before this New York Post article yesterday basically saying Moore ripped me off, It was already being said on the web.
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00:08:16.000three days ago during the Rudolph Giuliani whitewash
00:08:22.000kangaroo court event that some of the widows and some of the men and women who
00:08:28.000lost children In the 9-11 globalist attack, in the Phantom Menace attack, they stood up and basically shut the meeting down and C-SPAN cut the feed.
00:08:41.000We've played the clip up to the point that C-SPAN cut the feed.
00:08:45.000And we're going to find out what else was said and exactly what transpired and why these people have questions coming up here in about five minutes with Christopher Broderb, investigative journalist and activist who confronted Giuliani in the 11th public hearing on the 9-11 Commission.
00:09:01.000Also, Kyle Hens, co-founder of 9-11 Citizens Watch and contributor to UnansweredQuestions.org, he was present at the 11th public hearing as well.
00:09:11.000Then we've got big guests in the second and third hour, so you'll want to stay with us.
00:09:16.000The websites are PrisonPlanet.com, Infowars.com, and now PrisonPlanet.tv as well.
00:09:25.000But right now, let's just in the next few minutes jump into some more of the important news.
00:09:29.000New photos and video have emerged via the Washington Post, which is the big Bilderberg Group-controlled New World Order propaganda body.
00:09:40.000Some of these photos first surfaced a month ago on CBS 60 Minutes, which is, you can't get any more New World Order than that as well.
00:09:48.000They've known about this for two years in Afghanistan, for over a year in Iraq.
00:09:53.000Photos and videos for years have been all over the foreign media.
00:09:57.000Generals have resigned, refusing to torture people at Guantanamo Bay.
00:10:07.000Because I said that we had to be humiliated before the UN takes over Iraq here in just about two weeks from now.
00:10:15.000Less than two weeks, a week and a half.
00:10:17.000Now of course our troops will still be there, we'll just be under UN control and under the new puppet government, the second new government to be appointed.
00:10:25.000The Iraqi Council, the first one was appointed, the second one will be appointed.
00:10:32.000It is total dictatorship with regional governors, viceroys over different sectors, exactly like the different imperial governments that have been installed there in the past by the British.
00:10:48.000So they can have a debate about torture, then show the Berg beheading, and then legitimize all of the torture, while at the same time demonizing us overseas.
00:10:58.000The propaganda domestically is, this is a wonderful thing, let's just accept it.
00:11:02.000Overseas, America is so evil, we need to have the UN come in and run America and defang the dangerous right-wingers.
00:11:09.000That's what Michael Moore is saying in his 9-11 film.
00:11:20.000So see, this is the energizing of the left-wing arm of the world government.
00:11:24.000Whereas, again, an arm is attached to a body.
00:11:27.000The right arm is attached to the same body.
00:11:29.000It is the same system, the same people running it.
00:11:32.000They want to keep you in this left-right debate that neutralizes all real political movements and progress.
00:11:41.000So, that's the reality here, and new details of prison abuse emerge.
00:11:46.000Abu Ghraib, the detainee's statements describe sexual humiliation and savage beatings.
00:11:51.000Now they've released more photos and video of this.
00:11:54.000Video begins with three soldiers huddled around a naked detainee, his thin frame backed against a wall with a snap of his wrist.
00:12:01.000One of the soldiers slaps the man across the left cheek so hard the prisoner's knees buckle.
00:12:04.000Another detainee, handcuffed on his back, is dragged over to the prison floor.
00:12:08.000Then it goes on to the beating and the sexual posing.
00:12:11.000But notice they're focusing in on England having sex in front of them or people beating them or making them do weird sexual things.
00:12:18.000Why aren't they focusing in on the released photos of them posing with people they've beaten to death?
00:12:23.000You notice they're not releasing the photos of them raping women, beating children, and other things I'm not going to mention, which they admit they have photos and video of.
00:12:31.000No, they're not going to release that.
00:12:33.000They're going to release the lighter stuff.
00:12:35.000And they give one of these thugs a year in prison when they openly were following orders.
00:12:39.000I think they need a hundred years in prison for raping and torturing and killing.
00:12:44.000But understand, the people who gave the orders, they are the cold-blooded masters in all of this.
00:12:52.000They are the premeditative murderers and they deserve to be prosecuted.
00:12:57.000But don't expect that to happen of Lord Rumsfeld, who Bush says is doing a superb job.
00:13:04.000So Bush says Iraqis are ready to take power, Iraqis are ready to take the training wheels off and assume political power for the U.S.-led coalition, President Bush said yesterday, as his administration began to roll out a rough plan for the June 30th transition of authority.
00:13:35.000I mean, if I come into your town with a bunch of thugs, point guns at you, and then appoint five people from the town to be your, quote, leaders, that isn't an election, that isn't freedom, that isn't democracy.
00:14:15.000We're about to go to Christopher Broder, investigative journalist and activist who confronted Giuliani at the hearings a few days ago.
00:14:23.000We're going to find out what we missed after C-SPAN cut the feed.
00:14:27.000But before we go to our guest that we're getting online, let's go ahead and play that audio clip of Christopher Broder confronting Giuliani and bringing up all the key points of, you know, why are you threatening to arrest the whistleblowers?
00:14:41.000And then Widow screaming, Building 7, why did it come down?
00:17:04.000and then she's been touched the and more was said and uh... this is what we need to have
00:17:10.000Everywhere these criminals go, everywhere this military industrial complex goes, people that carry this attack out, and I'll just say it because the facts are there, we need to be confronting them in their face, exposing them, marches in every town and city, because they're getting ready to carry out more attacks.
00:17:25.000And Christopher Broder brought up all the key points, many of them.
00:17:29.000You know, these aren't real questions.
00:17:31.000They would ask, why did the White House call the mayor of San Francisco and tell him not to fly to New York the next day?
00:17:48.000We're about to break, but let's go ahead and bring Christopher Broder up, then we're going to break and bring Kyle Hens up, who was also there.
00:17:55.000Christopher, I want to commend you, and I want to thank you for being on our broadcast.
00:18:02.000Listening back, that's the first I've actually heard of the full thing.
00:18:05.000And it sounds like I raised a lot more hell than I remembered.
00:18:09.000Well, also there are some clips where the women are talking about Building 7 and the rest of it, and it's just incredible.
00:18:18.000But I want to talk to you about this whitewash commission, and I also want to get into anything else that happened that we missed after C-SPAN cut the feed.
00:18:27.000Well, the first question is, am I correct that the entire commission was appointed by Bush, correct?
00:18:45.000The first thing that can tip off for everybody is that they all leave that key fact out, because if you put that in there, especially here in New York City, if you put Bush appointed, everyone knows what that means.
00:18:53.000Oh, that's right, it's a fake commission.
00:18:55.000And all the media leaves that fact out.
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00:24:01.000He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:24:08.000Alright, this is the short segment this hour.
00:24:11.000There's another long segment, another short segment coming up.
00:24:13.000Plenty of time to get into some detail with our two guests.
00:24:19.000Former Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey, who has come out and told the Sacramento Bee and the world, I kill innocent people for our government, than William Bunch, Philadelphia Daily News reporter, about the shady intelligence background and people that Mr. Burke was working with.
00:24:36.000I know we've got loaded phones for our guests.
00:24:38.000We'll try to take some in about 20 minutes or so, if you want to hold.
00:24:42.000Let's go right to our guest, Kyle Hens.
00:24:45.000Co-founder of 9-11 Citizens Watch and contributor to unansweredquestions.org and Christopher Broder who we're all very impressed with, the guy that stood up and we just played that clip earlier and brought up four or five of the key bullet points to the whitewashers there, the Bush appointed kangaroo commission.
00:25:04.000And going now to Kyle Hens, we'll bring you both up.
00:25:26.000I mean, to me, this represented a sea change in this whole This whole process of the families engaging with the Commission, not getting their questions answered, not even getting their questions asked, and it just reached a boiling point for them when Commissioner after Commissioner, keeping praise on Mayor Giuliani and not asking the hard questions.
00:25:50.000And it just, it was like finally the elephant in the room has been acknowledged collectively by the families.
00:25:57.000There were probably at least a dozen family members Shouting out, and saying lies, and why don't you ask real questions, and what about the radios?
00:26:08.000And it was quite stunning, and in terms of the response of the Commission, they were flabbergasted.
00:26:14.000The net result was, at the end of the day, instead of holding a press conference, they issued, in block letters, a half-page statement saying that Chairman Kaine and Vice Chairman Hamilton will not be holding their press conference, and they will be issuing a joint statement.
00:26:32.000Then I saw Mr. Broder and others, because I did watch part of the commission hearing later on the internet on C-SPAN, we have that up on presentplanet.tv, but I mean I saw you guys all getting interviewed, then I didn't see much of it on the news, they would show you and then say this is what they said, oh they had a few questions, I mean no, this is a giant cover-up Let's bring Mr. Broder in here.
00:26:56.000Mr. Broder, I saw all those news cameras around you.
00:27:01.000Because the Chicago Tribune and other papers just said, oh, there were a few questions, and then basically excised all the real statements that you and some of the victims had brought forward.
00:27:11.000Well, they got more press than I would have expected, because I'm used to them just burying the truth whenever possible.
00:27:17.000Well, they couldn't ignore it, though, because it went out on live television.
00:27:20.000The quote, 3,000 murdered, does not i'm not a kind of leadership that made out of the replacement
00:27:25.000the other key point that it was our government who funded and trained al-qaeda
00:27:30.000people like to forget that key fact but the other key point is that
00:27:33.000command bunker they built was the command bunker telling people to stay at
00:27:37.000their stations inside the burning towers and and and and and it hasn't been
00:27:41.000brought up Why did building 7 of steel buildings ever fell?
00:27:49.000No one has reported the true story about the emergency bunker.
00:27:53.000Mayor Giuliani moved it there to line the pockets of Larry Silverstein, who was his largest campaign contributor by sheer coincidence.
00:28:00.000And Larry Silverstein had two stories in that building.
00:28:03.000The 23rd floor and I think the 22nd floor.
00:28:05.000He could not rent them out for 8 years.
00:28:08.000He was losing millions of dollars in rent And his buddy, Rudy Giuliani, came to the rescue and took the Emergency Management Center, which was state-of-the-art, out of the basement of one police plaza.
00:28:19.000And he moved it from a city-owned building, where it was very safe, into the Twin Towers Complex.
00:28:24.000But, Mr. Broder, it's a lot bigger than that.
00:28:27.000The firefighters told the Associated Press, get back, we're about to bring down the building.
00:28:31.000And Silverstein got on a PBS documentary and said that they blew Building 7 up.
00:29:04.000I've listened to the quote of Silverstein on the NOVA, the PBS special, in which he says, you know, let's call it, we've had too much loss of life today, let's call it, which is a term that's used by professionals who conduct demolitions of buildings.
00:29:22.000So, it certainly raises the specter that, you know, the question, was this in fact rigged for demolition?
00:29:30.000Well, how did some small fires make a collapse?
00:29:34.000...by a plane, and this is one of the big, big emerging questions that, quite frankly, you should know that some of the family members are beginning to ask.
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00:33:23.000Coming to you from Austin, Texas, I'm Alex Jones.
00:33:27.000Tom will be casting on Global Shortwave during the day at 9475 and at night from 9 to midnight at 3210 and the internet at Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
00:33:37.000We're fighting the globalists who are using terror to turn this into a prison planet.
00:33:43.000We are so honored to have Kyle Hens, co-founder of the 9-11 Citizens Watch and contributor to UnansweredQuestions.org joining us.
00:33:53.000And Christopher Broder, who I just learned of a few days ago, when he boldly stood up, pointed his finger with power and purpose, and on the side of goodness, and told the truth!
00:34:06.000And America needs to stop being in denial.
00:34:09.000You're a conspiracy theorist, a crazy conspiracy theorist, to not say the government wasn't involved in this and didn't have prior knowledge at the bare minimum!
00:34:18.000He stood up and he told them three times, our government created and funded Al-Qaeda!
00:34:24.000They used them to attack the Serbs in 98!
00:34:29.000Now, Kyle Hens, Christopher Broder, you guys, whatever you think is most important for people to know, that we need to discuss about this meeting, about the family starting to wake up, how this commission was appointed by Lord Bush, how it's a kangaroo court, it isn't being discussed.
00:34:46.000I mean, just, gentlemen, you've got the floor.
00:34:49.000If you notice, like the New York Times reporting now, if they're the left wing, then Lord help us.
00:34:55.000They spent more ink yesterday in the New York Times writing about what Rudy Giuliani was wearing during the hearing than about what was said by the families.
00:35:04.000And that should be a tip-off, again, that there was a lot of whitewash even by the media.
00:35:10.000Bill Clinton helped protect these people.
00:35:11.000This has been a long-term, globalist plan being brought to fruition, and they're all intertwined.
00:35:17.000And I want to point out one other important point, because a lot of people, most of my friends are like, Bush is a maniac, and of course he's a maniac, but people don't realize Giuliani is old buddies with these guys.
00:35:27.000Number three in the Justice Department of Ronald Reagan.
00:35:29.000People think Rudy Giuliani is just some heroic mayor.
00:35:32.000Even some of my left-wing activist friends think Giuliani is this great man, and they don't realize all the scams he committed before 9-11, on 9-11.
00:35:40.000Look, look, look, I've got a whole file of mainstream news of all his mafia connections.
00:35:45.000Yeah, remember he tried to cancel the election after September 11th for a new mayor.
00:36:16.000And give it to his friends for 20 years.
00:36:19.000Eliot Spitzer, New York City's Attorney General, had to stop him.
00:36:22.000Well, on top of this, Eliot Spitzer something else.
00:36:27.000On top of all of this, they then told people, sign a form you won't sue, sign an agreement you won't talk about 9-11, then we'll give you this $1.5 million.
00:36:36.000They actually tried to use that money people gave as a way to muscle the victims.
00:36:43.000I mean, he gave hundreds of millions of our tax dollars to every media outlet, every media giant.
00:36:48.000Giuliani's had drinks with every media giant in New York City for eight years, and no one's ever going to find out the truth about some of the things Giuliani did.
00:36:57.000And that kind of troubles me, because Giuliani will be President of the United States in 2000.
00:37:00.000Well, I mean, I can only watch 20-30 minutes of it.
00:37:03.000I watched a little bit live, and then got ready for my own radio show.
00:37:08.000But since then, I've watched more of it.
00:38:29.000He's the director of Amrata Hez, who was involved in some and had some interest in possible building some pipelines down through Afghanistan and bringing some oil to market.
00:38:38.000He's also in business with one of Bin Laden's brothers-in-law.
00:38:44.000And anyway, I just want to say that in terms of warnings on the 10th that you had mentioned, I haven't seen it confirmed that the White House called Willie Brown, but I have confirmed directly with Mark Hosenball at Newsweek, he is standing by the story which ran twice in Newsweek, that top Pentagon brass
00:39:00.000They were warned not to fly on the 11th.
00:39:02.000They were warned on the evening of the 10th.
00:39:05.000That was MSNBC, but no, it's AP, San Francisco Chronicle, the White House called Mayor Willie Brown the night before and said, somebody from the White House, we know it's Rice, his buddy, on the Arts Commission, called and said, don't fly to New York, and he told the San Francisco Chronicle that.
00:39:20.000It wouldn't surprise me if in fact it proved out to be right.
00:39:24.000On PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com, we have 9-11 sections, we have the mainstream articles.
00:39:30.000And I can tell you it also appeared in Newsweek and it ran twice.
00:39:34.000So it's not like, okay, they made a mistake and then they retracted it.
00:39:37.000No, they ran the story of top Pentagon brass being warned the night before.
00:39:42.000Also, we have Salman Rushdie, Times of London, banned for the month of September from flying to New York by the FAA for, quote, his safety.
00:39:50.000Yes, and I have been getting calls, you know, because of the nature of my work, from people, you know, filling me in, giving me anecdotal, you know, relating to me stories.
00:39:59.000So I have unconfirmed reports that there were numerous airport closings across the country that night, the night of the 10th, and also military bases that went on high alert.
00:40:10.000And here's another tidbit that no one's heard.
00:40:13.000A former Navy commander that was working at a base in Portland, near Portland, Maine, called me to say that someone who is still in the Navy currently, a Navy commander, Went on a hiking trip on the 6th of September with three of his friends.
00:40:39.000And they come across this concrete serpentine roadblock on the southbound lane of Route 95.
00:40:45.000Again, 60 miles inside the border from Canada in Maine.
00:40:49.000And there was an M-16 toting uh... military personnel with full battle gear on and then twelve INS agents uh... they looked in the window the guys went to pull for their military IDs without even showing them that the INS agents saw that they were obviously four white guys and waved them through
00:41:47.000Well, this is very, very serious information, and are you guys aware of Stanley Hilton, Bob Dole's former Chief of Staff, who's got hundreds of the victim's families, and he's deposed military officers who said that they were ordered to stand down?
00:41:59.000He said on this show that he had inside info that there was a drill on the morning of 9-11 by the CIA of flying hijacked jets in the World Trade Center Pentagon.
00:42:07.000We brought that forward on this show two weeks later to get out ahead of the story.
00:42:11.000The CIA goes, yeah, we were running a drill that morning, and that was in the Associated Press.
00:42:17.000I believe it was the National Reconnaissance Office that was running the drills.
00:42:23.000There was another drill five weeks before and another one two years before.
00:42:26.000And there was the NORAD, the NRO, was running an exercise, a war game, not a war game, excuse me, an errant commercial jet crashing into their building.
00:42:35.000No, the first AP article was what they were actually doing.
00:42:38.000And then the NORAD itself was running an exercise that involved to hijack planes and so they had planes in the air Well, that's because NORAD isn't full of traitors.
00:42:47.000They had to tell them, just stand down.
00:42:49.000We know Dick Cheney was in the bunker, in control.
00:42:59.000I can confirm for you that, speaking at least with one family member who is quite well informed and in contact with many others, that He has serious questions now as a result of independent looking into this issue about what happened in Building 7, which there were some small fires, a couple of different floors, and you know, some, what, five hours, five and a half, six hours after the Twin Towers came down, Building 7 collapsed, and there's been no definitive explanation
00:43:42.000So you can put some pressure on the government on why it is and how it could be that that building came down, because NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, is right now, as we speak, funded for, to the tune of, I think, $16 million, something in that neighborhood.
00:43:58.000They're gonna create a giant whitewash report that'll let me know.
00:44:01.000Of course they are, but every time they meet, every time they meet Alex, in public, and they've opened up to some public scrutiny, is a chance to raise this issue in public, in front of the press, and make some noise.
00:44:14.000I'm not saying they're going to get to the bottom of it, but every time that they stick their head up, it's a chance for us to exercise our vigilance and be vigilant.
00:44:33.000Usually Giuliani's people spot me and they make sure I'm not allowed into any room where he is because I've disrupted lots of his things before because he has a bad habit of lying and no one double checks any of his information.
00:44:45.000What are we going to do to prevent... I'm kind of curious, because I'm assuming, like many people, that there's going to be some major terrorist act right before the election.
00:46:00.000It's called, The New Pearl Harbor Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration in 9-11.
00:46:05.000The foreword was written by Richard Falk, human rights lawyer and professor emeritus at Princeton University, who said, quote, Has this potential to become a force of history?
00:46:19.000Sir, did you know Andres von Bülow, the former German defense minister in the parliament, and the former technology minister, says that the government either had total prior knowledge or carried it out.
00:46:30.000Michael Meacher, the British environment minister, resigned and wrote an eight-page editorial saying this.
00:46:35.000Are you aware of all those people coming forward?
00:46:57.000It's there to find out who knows what so they can have Goon shut them up later and to make the general public think there has been an investigation.
00:47:09.000You said, why, you know, why are you going after the whistleblowers?
00:47:12.000That's right, and they are going after the whistleblowers.
00:47:14.000Well, I yelled out, I yelled out, just I yelled out, arrest the whistleblowers, because they were intending to arrest me, and they were gonna get rid of anybody else who criticized the commission during the actual hearing.
00:47:24.000They have been threatening to arrest Edmonds.
00:47:29.000Wait, can you guys answer this question?
00:47:30.000Because I don't have all the answers, but I know so much dirt about what Giuliani did on 9-11.
00:47:34.000You know how they melted, he shipped off the steel, all the steel, well as much of the steel as he could.
00:47:39.000And the firefighters said that was destroying a crime scene, that was criminal, that a fire couldn't bring that down.
00:47:43.000And, so, do you guys think, I mean the steel was not only sent off and melted down, but Juliani's people said, we didn't know that people wanted to save the victims, families had to testify in front of Congress and FEMA.
00:47:54.000Well you don't destroy a crime scene, they rushed in, wouldn't let people take photos, pulled it all away.
00:48:00.000And do you think, though, that that's because there was something more than just fire in the Twin Towers?
00:48:53.000We put out this book and showed the book to the press and so on.
00:48:59.000But at that conference, a gentleman named William Rodriguez, who spent 20 years sweeping the stairwell of one of the World Trade Center towers, and he said that he survived the attacks and was leading some of the firemen up the stairs.
00:49:14.000And when he reached the 32nd floor of, I can't remember if it was the North or South Tower, This entire floor has been locked off.
00:49:22.000He has the keys to all the doors in the building.
00:49:25.000He's like the custodian for the building.
00:49:59.000There's a lot of stuff that's confirmed.
00:50:01.000You can go to the 9-11 timeline at cooperativeresearch.org.
00:50:04.000See all of the mainstream press articles that account a lot of the things we're talking about here.
00:50:09.000But I grant you some of the stuff I'm talking about is unconfirmed, but there's another story that was related to me by an employee, a former employee of the United Nations, who has a friend who was a cop in the towers that said that at 7.30, very early in the morning, there was some kind of alarm or some kind of problem in one of the towers.
00:50:34.000I'm sure I've missed all kinds of stuff.
00:50:35.000In this case, there was some firefighters that came in at 7.30 that morning, and a couple of them managed to get past these cops, but they looked somewhat suspicious.
00:50:45.000These two cops, three cops stopped them.
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00:54:23.000But we'll go to Mike in Washington here in just a second.
00:54:25.000Before we go back to our guests, and we'll obviously have to have them back up again in the future, and then we're having some of the widows, trying to get some of the widows on next week, and others.
00:54:35.000We need good people standing up saying, no, we're not buying your fraud, we're not buying your whitewash, we're not going to have, you know, Herman Goering investigating Hitler here.
00:55:08.000The Masters of Terror goes into 9-11 with all the other evidence.
00:55:11.000It took two videos to tell this story, and I wrote a book, 9-11 Dissent and Tyranny, 220 pages on the subject, and Paul Watson's book that I published, Order Out of Chaos, Elite Sponsored Terror, and The New World Order.
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00:56:12.000Exposing who carried out 9-11 and who stands to gain from it.
00:56:16.000Going back to Kyle Hens, co-founder of 9-11 Citizens Watch, and of course Christopher Broder, who stood up and eloquently exposed these liars.
00:56:25.000Gentlemen, I want to break, come back in a final segment with you and take a few calls, but right now, any other key information you want to cover?
00:56:32.000Well, I'd focus more on the problems here in New York City.
00:56:39.000All I know is that here in New York City, I kind of focus on the Giuliani cover-ups, because the Bush thing is a little too big for me, and it sounds like you're kind of covering that.
00:56:52.000The scandals by Giuliani are endless, but I'm not sure that you're that interested in Giuliani.
00:57:04.000I just want to say that I felt that yesterday, two days ago, when so many people spoke out, and it was sort of shattered, it shattered the facade of this commission.
00:57:15.000Whatever credibility that it might have had with a lot of the family members or those who were watching, it just, it was like the ice was It's like the four-year-old going to the emperor's neck and
00:57:49.000And until we bring control and autonomy back to our communities, our neighborhoods, our regions, and keep the money at home so that it doesn't get sucked out by the Walmarts of the world, We're not going to have control over our lives.
01:01:03.000This is the number one issue to expose this military-industrial complex and how they're carrying out the attacks and scares in this mission.
01:01:18.000Christopher, I would like to commend you personally for the testicular fortitude you had to stand up to those thugs yesterday, or the other day.
01:01:26.000I heard the tape and, I don't know, it just, it really moved me.
01:01:30.000I think what you did is a domino effect.
01:01:32.000And it's going to start something that will create, every time these creatures get up and lie to us, it'll create something for everyone else to have the opportunity.
01:01:39.000Well, Ashcroft was in Detroit a few months ago and people stood up and said the same thing.
01:02:03.000But I think more Americans have to stand up to their government.
01:02:06.000The media is not going to do it for us.
01:02:07.000People think there's checks and balances.
01:02:09.000There are no checks and balances in the system.
01:02:11.000The military-industrial complex owns the media.
01:02:13.000Yes, and so what I do is I try to encourage all my fellow citizens to, one, Never believe anything you read in the papers and be able to read between the lines.
01:02:23.000And, I mean, when Giuliani was mayor, he had me arrested repeatedly because I would go all over the city and expose some of his scandals.
01:02:29.000And, I mean, more people simply have to stand up.
01:02:32.000I lucked out that I didn't get arrested because... Yeah, there's more of us than there are of them, and if good people stand up, evil will fail.
01:02:38.000But when we do nothing, evil triumphs.
01:03:11.000You don't have stuff that we don't even want to know!
01:03:14.000Well, it's just, oh, we're good, we need to give all our free- the CIA needs to run your life, oh, you're such a good- no one in government did anything wrong, and then they have these secret meetings with whistleblowers, and then tell Ashcroft what they said, and Ashcroft goes and threatens to arrest them!
01:03:27.000Exactly, and it's just time that everyone stands up and we wake up everyone to the fact of what's going on and stop this tyranny before it gets worse.
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01:08:39.000I remember about a year and a half ago, a private Gruckheimer bragged in the Ithaca Journal in New York that they were ordered to go into villages and kill every man, woman, child, baby.
01:08:49.000He was quoted, and the Pentagon clarified and said, well, yes, in some areas with hostiles, we kill everyone.
01:08:56.000So their clarification was just as bad.
01:09:01.000We have the images of them beating people to death in these bases, under orders by the way, but they're just imprisoning a few people who followed orders, and that doesn't absolve them.
01:09:11.000We played the audio off PBS where they find guys stealing three sticks of wood, so they run over their car with a tank, and then laugh at them.
01:09:20.000We have Marine Corps chants now that have been in the news about how the children gather around, mow them little bastards down.
01:09:45.000I mean, I remember talking to old World War II vets When I'd be deer hunting around the campfire as a young man, and you couldn't get them to talk about World War II.
01:09:53.000And they were fighting a real enemy that was trying to kill them, not people they grabbed at a checkpoint.
01:09:58.000And, you know, they killed a lot of people.
01:10:00.000And you couldn't get them to talk about it.
01:10:02.000Or if you did, they'd start, you know, getting teary-eyed.
01:10:06.000You know, talking about having to kill a 14-year-old that was shooting at them.
01:10:09.000But so what happened to us with this video game culture where we have this killer instinct that just It's amazing, but more and more people in the military are going public.
01:10:21.000Last year and a half ago, four Delta Force members came back and killed their wives.
01:10:28.000The Sacramento Bee had an article a few days ago, Atrocities in Iraq, I Killed Innocent People for Our Government, by Paul Rockwell, special with the Sacramento Bee.
01:10:40.000And we are joined by this former Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey, who has come out and told the world, quote, I killed innocent people for our government.
01:10:53.000We appreciate his incredible courage to break his conditioning and to come forward with this.
01:11:02.000And Sergeant Massey, it's an honor to have you on the broadcast.
01:11:48.000Money was tight growing up in a middle class neighborhood.
01:11:52.000I couldn't afford to continue on to go to college.
01:11:55.000I had a couple of buddies of mine that went into the service.
01:11:59.000I had always had the Marines on the back burner growing up.
01:12:05.000As a kid, I always had a love for the military.
01:12:09.000At one time, I had requested to go to a military boys academy, but we couldn't afford it.
01:12:17.000So when the money ran out for college, I went ahead and decided to enlist.
01:12:24.000I went to boot camp around the 1992 time frame.
01:12:29.000I was originally signed with the Infantry, 3rd Battalion, 7th Marines out in Twentynine Palms, California.
01:12:35.000I finished up my tour there, re-enlisted, and went on to become an infantry instructor at the Marine Corps Boot Camp, Parris Island, South Carolina, where I taught the recruits basic infantry skills, how to survive in combat, rappelling, gas chamber, and the crucible as well.
01:12:57.000When I finished up with my tour as an instructor at Parris Island, I volunteer to go on recruiting duty.
01:13:07.000Growing up in Texas, I had the best of both worlds.
01:13:12.000During the summertime, I would go up and visit my relatives in Western North Carolina.
01:13:17.000So I grew up in Texas and Western North Carolina.
01:13:21.000So when I reenlisted and volunteered to go on recruiting duty... Those are both very heavy Marine recruiting zones.
01:13:38.000Okay, well let's accelerate through then your training, the mindset, and your statement here of killing innocent people for the government.
01:13:49.000Basically, what had happened was we had received so much intelligence reports, and these intelligence reports that we were receiving continuously through Iraq, Basically painted a picture of an enemy that was everywhere, and the enemy was in civilian clothes.
01:14:11.000Well I told you to fast forward, but let's go to the point where you rotate into Iraq, and then what happened there?
01:14:18.000Once we got into Iraq, basically we walked into the country.
01:14:23.000And what division, what group did you go in with?
01:14:26.000I was with the 3rd Battalion, 7th Marines, Cat 1.
01:14:29.000And we were stationed out of 29 Palms, California.
01:14:33.000And I was part of RCT-7, which was LSA-7 in Kuwait.
01:14:40.000We crossed the DMZ about March 22nd time frame, and rapidly moved up towards Baghdad.
01:14:51.000I was in cities like Azu-Bayir, Anumania, Salman Pak, Karbala.
01:15:00.000But to fast forward to, let's give you an example of the civilian casualties.
01:15:06.000These intelligence reports that we were given basically led us to believe that the enemy was everywhere and we didn't know who the enemy was.
01:15:16.000Some of the examples of the intelligence reports were Iraqis using civilians or Iraqi military using civilians as human shields.
01:15:24.000They were loading down ambulances, buses, Uh, police vehicles, using them as suicide bombers.
01:15:32.000Uh, basically, and it's kind of funny because the same threats that we were receiving over there, the same intelligence reports, are basically the same intelligence reports that are flashed to, uh, Americans every day in this country.
01:15:47.000Well, I mean, I remember watching the Marines going to Baghdad, live TV, and every truck with people just driving with the machine gun, dead bodies falling down, burning dead children all over the place.
01:15:57.000So basically, they said, everybody's an enemy, attack, attack!
01:16:00.000That's pretty much it, and subsequently, we killed a lot of innocent civilians.
01:16:07.000Now, the numbers I've seen are from 15 to 50,000.
01:16:32.000I mean, if a car's driving along, you just go ahead and open fire on it, or?
01:16:35.000Uh, well, we would fire a warning shot, and prior to us leaving, uh, we had actually made signs in Arabic that said, stop, halt, Um, you know, slow down.
01:16:48.000And we would fire a warning shot at the, at the vehicle's, you know, driver.
01:16:53.000However, if he didn't heed the warning shot, then we would light him up.
01:16:57.000Sometimes in the car, there would be, uh, women, children, uh, old men, uh, and... What was it like when you'd go into the car and there'd be splattered children everywhere?
01:17:37.000Well, you know, I mean, if you want to get into a little graphic, You know, a .50 cal round from an M2 Browning machine gun, when it hits a 14 or 15 year old body, it basically separates their torso.
01:17:54.000And as you walk up on the scene, you see half of a torso.
01:17:59.000And then Marines running around and taking pictures.
01:18:08.000Well, I know that it was in the news that they'd see some women and just shoot them and say, well, you know, better dead than alive.
01:18:15.000And then there were reports... Well, the actual statement that was given by one of my Marines was, better them than us.
01:18:25.000Well, they were at a hotel, some Marines, and there were Reuters reporters, and they just killed some children, and the reporter said, you just killed children, and he said, good, I want to kill more!
01:18:38.000Let me explain to you, and with me being a recruiter, let me tell you the overall goal of what the Marine Corps, you know, what the Marine Corps' job is.
01:18:50.000You know, the official Marine Corps is going to tell you That they're there to give a young man intangibles.
01:19:01.000All these intangibles that build this young man and makes him go out and be a productive member of society.
01:19:08.000However, what they don't explain is the reason that they were teaching these intangibles to these young men is in order for them to meet the enemy on the battlefield and destroy him.
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01:24:14.000Now, sir, before we get more into this and the brainwashing, because during the break I talked to you about this, how things have shifted from kill a commie for mommy to kill school children, death, death, death.
01:24:27.000I mean, occult brainwashing, and you said you agreed with that.
01:24:44.000But I'll be honest with you, when I was on recruiting duty, the last year that I was
01:24:49.000on there, I was really having a hard time then.
01:24:54.000I felt that what I was being asked to do was not a lie, but not all the truth.
01:25:05.000I was just having second thoughts about that.
01:25:08.000But I felt that recruiting duty was something that was just a part of it.
01:25:14.000You know, a part in my career as a Marine.
01:25:16.000But when I got to Iraq, it was shortly after recruiting duty, there was an incident where we had just killed a bunch of civilians and one of the survivors had looked up at me and said, you know, why did you kill my brother?
01:25:39.000You know, after he said that to me, I just, I made a conscious decision there.
01:25:46.000And the reason that I've been doing this is just to repair my soul.
01:25:55.000And that's why I've been speaking out against... Well, something's wrong when four Delta Force operators come home in the same unit and slaughter their wives.
01:26:08.000I know old soldiers are all dead now who had You know, Silver Stars and Congressional Medal of Honor, and people I know personally, and they wouldn't talk about it, and they were fighting real enemies, and if you got them to start talking they'd get a tear in their eye.
01:26:25.000I mean, and especially if they accidentally killed children.
01:26:28.000But now, I mean, a lot of these people, I hear them calling the shows, bragging about it.
01:26:32.000I mean, what type of psychopath, I mean, what's the training that, and you said that, yes, you know these cadences, have the little children gather around, toss the candy on the ground, mow the little bastards down.
01:26:47.000Well, it's the individual leaders within, you know, the unit.
01:26:53.000And the section leaders that are in charge of the Marine or Airmen or... I can't really speak for the other branches of the service.
01:27:01.000So I'll just refer to the Marine Corps.
01:27:04.000But it's up to the individual unit leaders that... Were other members of your unit, your group that you were with, the folks under you, I mean, when people were looking up holding their dead babies in their hands with their entrails spilling out all over and really looking at the reality of this, I mean, did others have a problem with this?
01:27:24.000Well, it's kind of like a code of honor.
01:27:31.000However, I couldn't go on living my life like that and living under that code.
01:27:45.000But when the gentleman looked up at me and said, you know, why did you kill my brother, that was it.
01:27:55.000I want people to get the image in their mind, because we've got such a soft general public that's never really experienced anything, any real hardships they don't understand, but what was it like when women were wailing and gnashing their teeth and howling with their dead babies?
01:28:08.000I mean, we've got the images of toddlers splattered all over the place, bodies burned out of the ground.
01:28:15.000Well, I can tell you for me, it was horrible.
01:28:18.000I actually had a A child died in my arms while my corpsman was trying to resuscitate the child.
01:28:30.000And the reason that the child expired was because he was in and around an area that was getting bombed by our aircraft.
01:28:42.000And having the father sit there and explain how his family was doing nothing And all of a sudden, you know, a bomb just explodes next to him.
01:28:54.000And he's looking at me saying, you know, I never worked for Saddam.
01:28:58.000You know, I have no affiliation with Saddam.
01:29:00.000Well, on top of this, you know, people shoot some guns in the air at a wedding, and they kill 40 of them, and the government's basically laughing about this now.
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01:33:08.000If America was invited, I would be the first volunteer tomorrow.
01:33:15.000But when I read the corporate documents by PNAC, the President, the Vice President, before they were even elected, saying Saddam is a threat, he's a pretext to get the oil, to use Iraq as a military base.
01:33:27.000When I read them saying we need terror attacks to get the people behind this.
01:33:31.000When I then see Posse Comitatus being erased, urban warfare training all over the place.
01:33:37.000My cousin, now based here in Austin, has been with Special Forces for 18 years, merging the military and the police covertly.
01:33:47.000When I hear we've got to give up our liberties now, that's killing America!
01:33:53.000And then to watch it live on Fox, they didn't even hide this, the tanks going in, the marines of the army going in, and buses and cars and taxis and just shooting vehicles, bodies falling out, every vehicle on the road, high noon, driving down the street, kill everybody, kill, kill, kill, kill!
01:34:29.000And this is... These people that don't have a conscience, who don't have the moral courage, and it takes incredible moral courage to admit something was wrong, people that don't have the moral courage of Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey, They're going to come back and be cops on your streets, people!
01:34:47.000And you better be concerned about this and the torture that's going on over there, that's going on in our prisons!
01:34:53.000And so that's why this is such a great concern.
01:34:55.000Now I know that we've had callers holdings at the start of the show.
01:34:58.000I never gave the phone number out today.
01:35:12.000Sergeant Massey, going back to just the video I saw of trucks and cars, and this was live on television, being machine-gunned, and some of them, tapes, they were just, you know, play tape.
01:37:23.000Well, what topped it off with us is we heard a straight gunfire that came in that direction.
01:37:31.000When the straight gunfire went off, The Marines were nervous and they opened up.
01:37:37.000They didn't know which direction that it was coming from.
01:37:39.000However, it is very important for you to understand the psychological impact that these intelligence reports were, you know, that were being given to the troops.
01:37:50.000Well, let me stop you about these intelligence reports because it goes the same way with cops.
01:37:54.000I've been on a land rights demonstration with conservatives, libertarians, and we're all standing there in our three-piece suits And we'll hear the police radios.
01:39:16.000Well, to use that term, they actually burned McCarthy when he found out the truth, that it wasn't the big banks behind the Communists, but in our own government.
01:39:23.000But you're right to say that, you know, to use that term and the common meaning.
01:39:28.000I mean, now they can't fire any terrorists, so they're using the Patriot Act just for average crimes.
01:39:34.000And I'll tell you right now, we violated the Geneva Convention.
01:39:41.000However, any, you know, however the President or Congress, however they want to manipulate the words of what the Geneva Convention says, I know that I was taught from day one that I went into the United States Marine Corps, you do not shoot civilians.
01:41:16.000Now they're going to come back and be cops.
01:41:19.000And we've seen the reports of people that got back a year ago from Afghanistan, two years ago, they're on duty and they put three rounds in an old lady's chest as she sits at the wheel of her car because they saw the glint of metal on her purse.
01:41:34.000And I mean, that's pretty much the number one occupation for, you know, Marine infantry, the Rangers or, you know, that's pretty much after you retire out of the military, you go to work for a civilian police force and Do your 20 years and that way you've got your state pension and you've got your government check.
01:41:53.000But you're just switching from one government organization to the other.
01:41:57.000I saw a statistic that 80% of the new recruits in the last five years have been out of the military.
01:45:03.000A typical day, but that's, you know, the funny thing is the British don't want their people getting killed, so they're not doing any of this.
01:45:09.000They're not having 1-100 the problems, according to the reports, but our government's doing this, and I guarantee you when the UN comes in, they're going to stop this, and then they're going to be the good cop, and we're going to be the bad cop.
01:45:45.000I believe this thing was pre-staged from the get-go.
01:45:48.000And I'll give you a little bit of evidence.
01:45:51.0001st Battalion, 7th Marines, 8 months prior to leaving to go to Kuwait, was secretly training up in San Francisco, north of San Francisco, learning how to shut down the Ramallah oil fields.
01:46:08.000I was part of RCT-7, and our primary mission at the beginning of the war was to shut down the Ramallah oil fields.
01:46:15.000However, why wouldn't Marines be learning how to shut down oil fields If we weren't scheduled to invade or attack.
01:46:24.000I'll tell you what the official word that was given to us because I asked the same question.
01:46:28.000They said, well, it's in case of future terrorist attacks in America to where the Marines have to be used kind of like an environmental protection.
01:46:38.000Now let me, let me shift here for a minute.
01:46:41.000I've got an Associated Press here, which is the biggest group of recruits now as illegal aliens and they make legal.
01:46:48.000I have been to the Urban Warfare Training Drills, where the Marines openly admit that it's for domestic insurgents.
01:46:54.000We know about the different surveys the Marines have been given.
01:46:57.000They're saying General Eberhardt, the head of NORTHCOM, said that we're going to have troops on the streets in America.
01:47:02.000The outgoing head of CENTCOM, Franks, December Cigar Aficionado, said that after the next attack we set aside the Constitution for a military government.
01:47:12.000A lot of this is joint training for here domestically, and I just want to get your response to that.
01:47:20.000So you're saying a possible violation of the Posse Comitatus Act?
01:47:23.000Well, yeah, we've had Senators call for getting rid of it, but since 1996, I've had JAG officers on it, but it's basically already gone.
01:47:29.000I mean, I've interviewed Marines who enlist.
01:47:31.000Well, let me tell you part of the ode.
01:47:33.000You know, it's to protect our country against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
01:48:08.000My cousin is out there merging the APD with the National Guard, the regular Army, at Berkstrom, which is now a private airport, an international airport, and they're engaged in surveillance of Austin, and has nothing to do, he even admits, with terrorism.
01:48:23.000Yeah, that's under what's called the Joint Task Force.
01:48:53.000And then we had the Wall Street Journal two months ago.
01:48:55.000They had a peace group at the UT and they had secret military officers in plain clothes harassing them, trying to shut down meetings.
01:49:03.000Let me tell you, in America, we're not supposed to have commissars, political officers from the military, running around at the University of Texas.
01:49:15.000That was Army intelligence, by the way.
01:49:18.000No, and over the course of my 12 years in the Marine Corps, I continuously saw it growing bigger and bigger.
01:49:26.000Because they're sub-branching off into these special anti-terrorist units.
01:49:50.000That's not the America that I grew up to.
01:49:55.000Well, you know, Hitler blew up his own government building to seize control and to set up fatherland security, so... You know, like I said, I started drawing my conclusion after I came back from Iraq, because it disturbed me so much.
01:50:13.000And I basically told the Marine Corps, You know, I don't want your money anymore.
01:50:47.000If you have a conscience, of course you'd be upset after having children die in your arms.
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01:54:04.000Alright, I want to try to keep our guests five minutes into the next hour if we can, then we'll get our next guest on.
01:54:17.000Talking about the strange life, the quiet American, Nick Burr, with the intelligence background, obviously, and the bizarreness going on there.
01:54:26.000But, boy, this has just been an incredible interview, and I... What scares me is, is some people who don't have a conscience are immune to having children die in their arms.
01:54:38.000They're going to come back here and run our lives.
01:54:42.000This is all part of the process the New World Order is using, and it's going to be good people, Like Sergeant Massey, who I guess will be here on the front lines speaking out against it, and who knows, maybe having to fight against it as things get darker here inside this system.
01:54:58.000But before we go to some calls, is there anything else you'd like to add, Sergeant?
01:55:07.000You know, I know there's a lot more military men and women that are out there that are listening to this.
01:55:54.000Let me tell you about the Embedded Reporters.
01:55:57.000You know, I thought they were doing an outstanding job until I got home and I actually read the propaganda that they had produced.
01:56:05.000It got so bad that one of our Embedded Reporters actually wanted to go home because he was witnessing a lot of the civilian casualties.
01:56:16.000The reports that I've read about what my battalion did over there, you know, what this embedded reporter wrote is nothing to what actually took place.
01:56:28.000So I've been pretty... And who was that embedded reporter?
01:57:17.000Yes, on the subject of shooting civilians, up here in Canada on early April, I was witness to the Canadian military using artillery pieces for target practice in a Canadian park.
01:57:33.000Now, I took a picture of this and I have it here, I can send it to you.
01:57:36.000Now, I stuck around and I saw other civilians coming to talk to the military saying, oh, are you guys going to do a parade or something?
01:57:43.000And what I heard the response from the military was this.
01:57:46.000They said, and I quote, we're merely doing this just in case there are any rioting terrorists come inside the city and try and try it inside the park.
01:58:00.000So in case there's any demonstrations, because in this particular part, Queens Park, you have the provincial legislature, and there are usually demonstrations there.
01:58:10.000And they're practicing with artillery?
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02:00:07.000Alright, my friends, you're now into hour number three of this Friday Transmission Against Tyranny.
02:00:15.000Coming up, we have William Bunch of the Philadelphia Daily News on the Berg Beheading and his article, Berg Met with Shady Iraqi, which exposes the Berg teamed up in Baghdad with an ex-Philippine man who led a controversial group of Iraq expatriates encouraged by the U.S.
02:00:33.000government even as he faced deportation for his role in a Russian immigrant crime ring selling millions of vials used for crack.
02:00:41.000And then we have him with us, two of the hijackers now, not one, and we have him working at Abu Ghraib prison, and this young man dropping out of college to go help people worldwide.
02:00:51.000Very suspicious, and we're sad that he died, if that video's even real.
02:00:55.000But let's take two final calls for our guest, Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey, who has come out and told the world, Sacramento, he broke the story, I killed innocent people for our government.
02:01:25.000Basically, from the moment that you arrived at Marine Corps boot camp, the dehumanization process began.
02:01:34.000If you take a bunch of 17 to 22 year olds and you put them through a rigorous boot camp and continue on with their training and everything is emphasized on dehumanization.
02:01:48.000Well look, if you look at the Marine Corps training, it is identical to what Colts do.
02:02:09.000They take a young man who no longer needs mommy and daddy, and who hasn't gotten bound to a woman yet, who's in that spot in their life, and it's, and the Prussians invented this, and this is, this is the Prussians' brag that it was, that it was programming.
02:02:49.000I served in the Army from 85 through 91 as a tanker.
02:02:53.000And I guess I'm just really disturbed that the military is no longer training people that you have a right and a moral obligation to disobey unlawful and unconstitutional orders, and you never shoot civilians or people with .50 calibers as for PCs, tanks, heavy equipment, that kind of stuff.
02:03:10.000What kind of madness is going on in our country these days and in our military?
02:03:21.000That's why I'm here, because I want the same answers.
02:03:25.000And that's just another part of me patching up another part of my soul.
02:03:29.000I'm proud of you, and I guess I'm equally ashamed because I would just think I would hope more people like Michael knew would stand up and say, you know what, this is wrong, this is immoral, and I will not do this, I will not obey this, I wouldn't have done it, I would have told them no, I'm out of here.
02:03:44.000Well now we're going to have a new national draft of women too, and we're going to I guess be forced to go do this.
02:03:53.000Last question, are the troops aware of the depleted uranium and how dangerous it is?
02:03:58.000No, I didn't become aware of what it does to you.
02:04:02.000How I became aware of it was reading a Rolling Stones magazine.
02:04:05.000And then I started asking around to some of the tankers and other members that I knew that were around it constantly and some of the artillery.
02:04:18.000And I basically You know, I basically said to myself, holy crap, this is, uh, this is some pretty serious stuff.
02:04:26.000So every time, you know, uh, you're in and around a tank that has been disabled, or you're out on the battlefield, or these, uh, these, uh, bombs have landed, or these shells, you know... Tell you what, we've got another guest coming up, but stay there.
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02:08:13.000He tied this in with now connections to two hijackers, working at Abu Ghraib prison, being in coalition custody, leaving college with good grades to go help people, the quiet American.
02:08:28.000I'm just thinking there should be an investigation of that.
02:08:30.000We'll be talking to the reporter who broke a major story on this last week.
02:08:34.000But right now, finishing up with an amazing individual, former Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey, who has come out and told the world, I killed innocent people for our government, had children die in his arms, you name it, and had a conscience, and didn't have his conscience seared, and is now working through all of this, and he's just dropped bombshell after bombshell on us today about the embedded reporters manipulating and twisting Just how they were ordered to do all of this, what happened.
02:09:04.000Sergeant Massey, God bless you and thank you for having the will and the strength.
02:10:08.000Wow, that was an incredible hour interview with Sergeant Massey.
02:10:14.000And now for another first hour, we have Kyle Hens.
02:10:19.000Co-founder of 9-11 Citizens Watch, a contributor to UnansweredQuestions.org, and Christopher Broder, investigative journalist and activist who confronted Giuliani in the 11th public hearing of the September 11th Commission.
02:10:49.000We've been given a decent amount of coverage of what's going on, interact from our own kind of unique perspective, and you can find it on Philly, which folks outside of here don't always know how to spell it.
02:11:07.000Click on the Daily News, because otherwise you might get a bunch of stuff in the Philadelphia Inquirer, and that's not going to help you out too much.
02:11:12.000So look for the Daily News when you go on the Go to the Philly.com website and look for our coverage of what's going on over in Iraq.
02:11:21.000I mean, you're a reporter, you stick to the absolute facts that you have, but before we get into your story, I mean, now connected to two hijackers, Nick Byrd, leaves an Ivy League school to, quote, travel the world, classic intelligence operative M.O.
02:11:37.000You know, quit school with high grades.
02:11:40.000Working at Abu Ghraib prison, in coalition custody.
02:11:44.000They tried to deny it, now it's admitted.
02:11:51.000MSNBC is saying that this Zawahiri guy died three months ago in Northern Iraq.
02:11:55.000I mean, this story has got more holes in it than a sieve.
02:11:59.000And then you bring forward your article with him with these shady characters with intelligence agency connections.
02:12:06.000With the drug trafficking connections, with the immigrant smuggling connections, I mean, this is amazing!
02:12:15.000How do we make heads or tails of all of this, Mr. Bunch?
02:12:19.000Well, I mean, it's hard to know what to make of it.
02:12:21.000I mean, I would just caution everybody, I think finding out what Nick Berg was all about and what he was doing in Iraq is going to be a time-consuming process and it's not something we're going to uh... worked out overnight uh... i mean you're going to be
02:13:18.000You know, somebody had an article on the internet with, I think, 50 unanswered questions.
02:13:24.000And to be honest, there's more than that.
02:13:26.000Yeah, well we've said there's 50 anomalies, and you're right.
02:13:32.000And two weeks ago, now more are out there.
02:13:36.000I mean, look, he has the classic... I mean, we have to speculate, because everybody's speculating.
02:13:40.000We have a bunch of facts, but don't know the answers.
02:13:43.000But, I mean, he has the classic intelligence agent M.O.
02:13:46.000The country's flooding full of private contractors who are really CIA, and defense intelligence, and Mossad, and Shin Bet, and everything else.
02:14:02.000Yeah, I don't want to jump to any conclusions.
02:14:05.000That's not my MO, but you know, I will say, I mean, the fact that his job, you know, his job or his self-style job was to climb these radio and communications towers, including, as you mentioned, the one at Abu Ghraib.
02:14:21.000I mean, that's a red flag right there.
02:14:22.000That's something that needs to be checked out a little bit more, obviously.
02:14:25.000Yes, the quiet American with his bag of tricks out helping.
02:14:29.000It's horrible what happened to him, if that can even be documented.
02:14:33.000But your article, though, really is one of the best investigations I've seen, and in kind of a window into this murkiness.
02:14:40.000Can you go over the details of your story?
02:14:45.000Well, that was actually, you know, kind of a follow-up story.
02:14:48.000We were actually The Philadelphia Daily News, we were actually the first newspaper to report about Berger's connections to terrorism or Al-Qaeda suspects down in Oklahoma, including a link either indirectly or directly to Zacharias Moussaoui, who's an admitted member of Al-Qaeda.
02:15:08.000Well, he just, I mean, when you're on a bus, don't you just say, here's my computer, here's my password?
02:15:13.000Yeah, I don't think that... I have a serious doubt about whether that's the actual way that... No one does that!
02:15:23.000Well, my general thinking... Well, let me first go back and... After we broke the story about the Oklahoma and the Mid-Sally connection, that weekend there were some stories coming out of Baghdad and, you know, unfortunately we don't have people over there from the Daily News, I wish we did, but Just reading the AP story that came out of Baghdad that weekend, they made a reference to a Philadelphian being an Iraqi-born person who lived in Philadelphia who moved back.
02:15:54.000And being somewhat parochial like most newspapers, whenever we see the word Philadelphia we get excited.
02:16:03.000You know, I just couldn't believe all the weird connections that this guy had.
02:16:06.000His name is, um... Well, his name was quoted in most papers as Aziz Al-Taei, T-A-E-E, but that's not his real name.
02:16:15.000He adopted that a few years ago for reasons that, when you check out his background, seem pretty obvious.
02:16:20.000His actual name is Aziz Khaduri Aziz, or Aziz K. Aziz, and he'd come to the United States from Iraq about 20 years ago.
02:16:32.000Seemingly a successful businessman who opened a chain of electronics stores in kind of bad neighborhoods in Philadelphia.
02:16:39.000It turns out he has a very shady past, including he pleaded guilty back in 1994 to being part of a huge ring that was distributing crack vials.
02:16:50.000Not the actual crack itself, but the vials that people used to sell crack.
02:16:55.000Most of his partners in this enterprise were Soviet Soviet... I don't want to cast religious... I don't know the religion, but I know they were mostly Soviet emigres who'd come over in the 70s.
02:17:38.000And I'm sure your listeners remember the Clear Channel sponsored rallies for America, the so-called pro-troop or pro-war rallies a year ago.
02:17:49.000And people from this group, the Iraqi American Council, got training from our State Department To go through these rallies, to go on Fox News and to go on other channels and talk about how terrible Saddam was and how much better the world would be if we got rid of him.
02:18:09.000And Aziz K. Aziz, or Aziz Al-Faiz, he was calling himself by this point, He spoke at a number of these rallies.
02:18:49.000And, um, so, um, and then, oh, and then, because of his criminal record, however, um, I guess this is typical government, left hand, not knowing what the right's doing, at the same time he's getting his stacking from the State Department and, and, and possibly CIA type sources or whatever, meanwhile the immigration's moving to deport him now because it is, uh, because he had a couple other arrests in addition to the crackpile, um, a second one of the conviction
02:19:16.000so i was i right there about a william bunch philadelphia daily news
02:19:21.000billy dot coms the website will come right back and i want to get into his connection
02:19:27.000the folks who are in a four-hour dot com or you can simply went through philly
02:19:31.000dot com uh... will be right back with our guests at this quick
02:19:35.000break will continue we really appreciate mister bunches of work on this
02:19:39.000and then i think it's a well as we'll take some calls will be right back to us
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02:24:09.000We haven't even gotten into the meat and potatoes yet on this incredible article, Berg met with Shady Iraqi, and there's been other reports by William Bunch, the Philadelphia Daily News, philly.com.
02:24:24.000William, continuing here now, his connection, he's saying, you called him up, he's saying now in the news article that, oh yeah, I saw him, he left, I don't know where he's at, I saw him just a few hours a day before he disappeared.
02:24:50.000Aziz, as we call him, appears according to his version of events, and everything that has to do with Iraq, you have to quantify somebody's version of what's really happening.
02:25:02.000But Aziz's version basically has him being the last person to speak with Nick Berg before he disappeared.
02:25:11.000He says that on April 10th, supposedly when Berg was in Weber's custody, whether it was Um, you know, American or Iraqi custody.
02:25:21.000Supposedly, then he, um... Excuse me for a second.
02:25:27.000Um, supposedly, then he, um, went to Baghdad and checked into a hotel for four days.
02:25:33.000Uh, you know, resumed his connection with Aziz, who, um, I don't know if he mentioned in the narrative here, but was, um, hooked up with Berg in Iraq as his business partner.
02:25:43.000They formed a company called Babylon Towers that was, uh... but we can affect radio towers iraq
02:26:06.000In America, the cops will be talking to this guy.
02:26:09.000The last person you're with, and, oh, I saw him get a ride, and, oh, I do stuff with the State Department, and I get these rallies together, and I'm involved in shipping out Crack vials, and I'm doing all this, and Mr. Berg's involved with some hijackers with passwords, but there's nothing suspicious here!
02:26:54.000He claimed that Aziz is in the cell phone business, and he has claimed that he's actually seen Nick Berg's cell phone records, and that his cell phone was used, I think, as late as April 19th, which would be, remember now, nine days after he disappeared.
02:27:12.000That's an interesting and unexplained fact there, too.
02:27:18.000So, yeah, there's a lot of questions about... Well, he's trying to create space for the government, speculating here, from, you know, he gets released and suddenly in Al-Qaeda hands, and now they admit it's not Al-Qaeda.
02:27:30.000I mean, this whole thing... Well, the latest, I mean, I think you're referring to the story that came out today, which is very curious, in which you have some Iraqi officials now claiming that Some people were in custody, and they're not Al-Qaeda at all, but they're Fedayeen, who are associated with Saddam Hussein, and one of them is Saddam Hussein's nephew, or not one of the people they arrested.
02:27:53.000But then it comes out now that says that...
02:27:58.000They've already released two out of these four people, and they might be releasing the other, so... Well, it's like 20 times they found sarin gas and later say it isn't sarin gas, and then I have arguments with people that, oh yeah, they found the sarin gas.
02:28:20.000You know, I mean, uh... Well, they, I mean, the guys supposedly saw in Nick Berg's head off MSNBC the Pentagon said was dead three months ago.
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02:35:49.000Okay, we're going to go to all these calls here in just a moment, but talking to the
02:35:55.000reporter William Bunch from the Philadelphia Daily News, broke the story, Berg met with
02:35:58.000shady iraqi Any other key points you want to add before we go to these calls?
02:36:04.000Well, right now in terms of like further areas to be checking out, right now I'm trying to find out more about Nick Berg's time in Oklahoma and very little has been explained about What's really behind the so-called password on the bus story and who he really knew and who he met down there?
02:37:14.000Yeah, well, you know, all I can say about this burg is that, you know, if we weren't over there sticking our nose in where it didn't belong, we wouldn't have any of that happening or the POW mess that we're encountering now.
02:37:27.000And I'm just reading right now on Yahoo News about a Florida-based soldier who was found guilty today of desertion over there, who objected to it and refused to go back on conscientious grounds.
02:37:43.000I mean, there's no, you know, if we were not in Iraq and in Philly, that was a, quote, voluntary or optional, whatever you want to call it, war, and didn't seem to be particularly necessary.
02:37:55.000And, and now we have these things happening.
02:37:57.000And then they, you know, they're, you know, knocking America's image, Around the world even lower.
02:38:05.000Also, they say, oh, they're volunteers, these troops.
02:38:09.000Well, a lot of them were supposed to be in three, four years.
02:38:18.000I salute this boy, because I have yet to have any congressman say or hear Any of them say that this was a war done under the Constitution, you know, with a declaration of war.
02:38:29.000No, the Congress is supposed to declare it, and again, this is out of control.
02:38:41.000I just wanted to call, and I have two things, two pretty pertinent things.
02:38:49.000I actually witnessed uh... the recruitment of a young veteran twenty eight years old at a local suburban library in the late nineties for the uh... of the Balkans uh... like a uh... specific technical job for the CIA and uh... that is the type of that is the age group that is the uh... the qualifications for uh... uh... intelligence community to to hire people
02:39:21.000You know, I don't like your conspiracy theory.
02:39:23.000So he's trading passwords with now two hijackers, so he's working in Abu Ghraib prison, so he's hanging out with people that are involved in all this shady stuff, and he's in coalition custody, and he's flying back and forth between Israel.
02:39:38.000I bet you're the type of person that if you saw a guy in a black mask walking out of your house with your television set at 3 a.m., I bet you'd think that was a robber.
02:39:51.000No, but the other thing is that I wanted to report that in the 90s there was a big, it seemed to me like there was a lot of recruitment.
02:40:01.000The other thing was on Nick Berg, the occupational description of him changed in the local news in Philadelphia.
02:40:10.000Uh, first thing, it was simply personal characteristics they mentioned.
02:40:14.000Well, that was as the news was getting what the government said, then reporters went out and found out the truth like Mr. Bunch.
02:40:19.000Yeah, they first said he was just able to make friends.
02:40:22.000Uh, they didn't talk about occupational, uh, uh, description.
02:40:26.000And then they had said that he was trained in marketing, uh, without mentioning that apparently he, his, uh, His huge expertise was radio engineering and electrical engineering.
02:40:38.000And then when that comes out, that's a good point.
02:40:41.000We've had a lot of absconding and a lot of stonewalling by the government, Mr. Bunch.
02:41:00.000And look, A couple things, and I meant to say some of this out front, is, you know, whatever his purposes were... What happened to him was horrible.
02:41:28.000And, you know, um, I mean, clearly, um, you know, the fact that first, you know, first that they said it was this, uh, Abu Mas'ab al-Bukhari supposedly was fingered, you know, definitively by the CIA or whatever is the killer.
02:41:43.000And then we're hearing today that they're arresting people from a completely, you know, totally different group, the fedayeen.
02:41:48.000And, um, you know, it's like anything else.
02:41:51.000I mean, you know, if that information is bogus, then what else, you know, what else aren't they telling us?
02:41:57.000And then we'll have arguments when the government admits... I mean, people... Powell admits those weren't mobile weapons trucks.
02:42:02.000Jones admitted it six months ago, and I still have arguments with people, William, saying those were mobile weapons trucks.
02:42:10.000Uh, yeah, well, once information gets out there, it's hard to... That's been my experience.
02:42:14.000Once information gets published or promulgated out there, it's hard to... You know, it stays there for a long time.
02:42:20.000You know, even if the person who actually said it, like in this case, like Powell, even if the person who You know, it was the one saying the information in the first place that people still have a hard time, you know, accepting that.
02:43:15.000In your statements about half an hour ago, you referred to some Russian immigrants, and you were very reluctant to mention a religious sect.
02:43:21.000And I'm wondering, are these Orthodox Jews?
02:44:58.000I mean, obviously you've got this Russian mafia people and all this going back and forth and the dad's involved in the business and weird stuff with hijackers.
02:46:18.000Now this is where I moved here, but evidently a lot of people knew him here on the eastern
02:46:23.000shore of Maryland and that he did some tower work and he worked on a Christian TV, no,
02:46:30.000radio show and that's all I wanted to say.
02:46:33.000I just wanted to, you know, tell him that he was on the Eastern Shore sometime or another.
02:46:38.000Yeah, well, thanks for that information.
02:46:39.000I mean, clearly, you know, Chloe Nickberg had some expertise in the communications tower business, and he did work for, you know, all the evidence I've seen is he worked for a number of, you know, bona fide radio stations around the East Coast.
02:46:53.000Well, they spoke very highly of him, anyway.
02:47:08.000The facts we do have are very suspicious, but we do need to get more facts before we go to conclusions, but I really appreciate you joining us, Mr. Bunch, from the Philadelphia Daily News, your busy schedule, and we can continue to watch your columns, your reports, there at philly.com.
02:47:25.000And we really appreciate you coming on, and please contact us if there's a new development.
02:47:53.000All right, well that was just four incredible guests today.
02:47:56.000In the first hour, co-founder of the 9-11 Citizens Watch and contributor to Unanswered Questions, and Hens, who was president of the 11th public hearing of the 9-11 Whitewash Commission, with testimony by former mayor Rudolph Giuliani, where Giuliani was confronted by activists, and we have the activist and investigative journalist on, Christopher Broder, and he did a great job there.
02:48:21.000And then we also, former Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey who has come out and told the world I killed innocent people for our government.
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02:49:29.000And I just really want to give the callers a response.
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02:54:27.000And I've been listening to you for, oh, three or four years, and I've been recording at least about the last year of it.
02:54:33.000Um, did you get my email that I sent to tips at InfoWard.com about the high school teacher in Albuquerque who was basically harassed out of a contract because his poetry class had people in it That we're criticizing the great leader.
02:54:52.000No, but I see reports like that every day.
02:55:53.000I'm trying to have meetings and everything, get people together, because every time I turn the news on, it's martial law, mass detention, so we're going to have to do this and that.
02:56:02.000Yeah, they're conditioning us to the next attack, so we'll accept it.
02:56:05.000But the people aren't buying it, buddy.
02:56:09.000I mean, people in my community are just kind of like still in denial, but some people are kind of starting to wake up a little bit.
02:56:15.000A lot of people who are in denial heard what you had to say, heard what I had to say, heard what countless others had to say.
02:56:22.000They're not going to listen until it gets bad for them.
02:56:24.000But at that key point, that seed you planted will sprout.
02:56:27.000Well, Alex, I just got a really important question here for you.
02:56:30.000I mean, I'm interested In defense of myself and my community, and it looks like they're pushing us toward this physical confrontation.
02:56:38.000I don't want that to happen, but what do I do?
02:56:41.000Sir, the pen is the mightier than the sword.
02:56:43.000You keep getting the word out, keep waking people up, and then you defend yourself and your family physically, if need be, against tyranny.
02:56:49.000Yeah, well, that's what I'm working on doing.
02:56:51.000I'm showing your videos, I'm organizing groups, and, you know, trying to get things together at the local library, and, you know, but I really appreciate all you do, and, uh, Keep up the good work, and I'll keep working at it.
02:58:08.000When you don't care about your community, when you aren't informed, when you aren't involved fighting corruption, it grows and grows and grows!
02:58:14.000And it destroys our way of life and our freedom!
02:58:17.000We're going into hell on earth right now!
02:58:20.000Because so many of us have just let the government have control and, oh, they won't do any bad, let's go to sleep!
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