On this Thursday edition of the Prison Planet Podcast, Alex Jones dives straight into the latest in the Bush administration's torture program and the people involved in it. Big Brother, the media, the CIA, the FBI, the DOJ, the DEA, the Justice Department, and the CIA all have been accused of torturing American Taliban member John Walker Lind.
00:01:11.000I want to stop the organized crime syndicate that is the New World Order.
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00:01:35.000Rumsfeld, who ordered the torture, which is now admitted, to become new head of the investigation into it.
00:02:14.000And so now it's being pointed out, John Walker Lynn, the so-called American Taliban, was stripped naked and tied to a stretcher during interrogation after the Office of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld ordered intelligence officers to quote, take off the gloves when questioning him.
00:02:30.000Mr. Rumsfeld's legal counsel instructed the officers to push the limits when questioning Lind, captured in Afghanistan with Taliban and Al Qaeda forces in late 2001.
00:02:41.000The treatment of Lind appears to foreshadow the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib.
00:02:48.000Folks, the real Taliban and Al Qaeda, 8,000 of them, were flown out to safety out of Afghanistan.
00:03:05.000But then they grabbed up little nobodies off the streets, off of the desert roads and mountain passes of Afghanistan and took them to Camp X-Ray for torture.
00:03:17.000Took them to the different camps in Afghanistan, not just in Cuba.
00:03:23.000And have been torturing the living daylights out of them.
00:03:25.000Their own top general quit a year and a half ago, Brigadier General Rick Baucus, refusing to go along with all of this.
00:03:33.000But don't worry, now Rumsfeld's going to do the investigation.
00:03:37.000By the way, about a month ago, there was a report by Judicial Watch, far from, you know, evil liberals out to get Bush, you know, the folks that successfully went after Bill Clinton, A Freedom of Information Act request, they did over ten of them to the FBI, Defense Intelligence, CIA.
00:04:02.000They all refused, but the Customs Department did release the documents with over 160 of the Bin Laden family being flown out of the country on three separate flights, September 11th, 12th, and 13th.
00:04:18.000Finally today, in the several major Florida newspapers, including the St.
00:04:25.000Petersburg newspaper, they actually have copies of those documents published.
00:04:32.000Now again, a month ago we covered this and posted the documents, but finally it hit some major newspapers, which is news in and of itself.
00:04:40.000So, that's on PrisonPlanet.com for you right now as well.
00:04:48.000When we get back, we'll get into, um, just, oh, there's so much news here.
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00:08:34.000And remember during the whole Waco investigation, or whitewash, in the late 1990s, Janet Reno, who ran the Waco attack with the Delta Force and elements of foreign military as well, she said, oh yes, it's an independent investigation, and her Justice Department appointed Danforth, and then her aides were his assistants, and they called this an independent Investigation of Waco and Danforth ran an incredible soft-soap cover-up of the entire operation.
00:09:12.000And then now with the 9-11 Commission, we have all these different Bush business partners and Bin Laden family business partners and Condoleezza Rice business partners up there sitting in judgment and putting out their report yesterday saying no fault of Clinton, no fault of Bush protecting Al Qaeda.
00:09:51.000Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is expected to replace the two-star general investigating the prisoner abuse scandal at Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail With a more senior officer than the New York Times reported, the senior officer will report directly to Rumsfeld.
00:10:07.000Defense officials told the Daily that General John Abizid, commander of U.S.
00:10:12.000forces in the Middle East, has asked for the change because Army regulations prevent the investigator, General George Fay, from interviewing his superiors.
00:10:23.000General Fay has said he could not complete the investigation without interviewing the ground commander in Iraq, Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez.
00:10:32.000Lieutenant General Sanchez has recused himself as the reviewing authority for General Fay's report.
00:10:37.000The Daily says that he has asked General Abizid, I'm sorry if I mispronounced that, Abizida, or however you pronounce it, I can't pronounce it, that a higher ranking officer be appointed to conduct a review in the investigation.
00:10:51.000Defense officials say the General made the request of Mr. Rumsfeld, who will most likely approve it.
00:10:56.000The Daily has been told that General Fay's final report is delayed by 30 days as an important witness who has refused to cooperate, has changed his mind, and agreed to work more closely with investigators, with whitewashers.
00:11:09.000The identity of the witness has not been revealed, and Army officials insist General Sanchez is not a target of the investigation.
00:11:16.000But it goes on to say that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is running the investigation through these generals out of his office.
00:11:26.000It's like having Jeffrey Dahmer be the prosecutor and the judge in the Jeffrey Dahmer case.
00:11:35.000We all know that Rumsfeld got up on TV and bragged about torture, and that the CIA bragged about it, and there were a hundred editorials, if there weren't two hundred, lauding the virtues of torture.
00:11:45.000That was a New York Times headline in the last two and a half years.
00:11:50.000And then now we're all shocked when we see the images of the torture.
00:11:55.000And here's another one out of London Independent.
00:11:57.000Rumsfeld told officers to take gloves off with Lind.
00:12:01.000And we already went over some of this.
00:12:02.000The supposed, you know, Taliban, American Taliban.
00:12:05.000And Rumsfeld, it's now admitted by the CIA and the Pentagon.
00:12:10.000Documents seen by Los Angeles Times show that when a U.S.
00:12:13.000Army intelligence officer started to question Lind, he was given instructions that the Secretary of Defense Counsel has authorized him to take the gloves off and ask whether he And ask whatever he wanted.
00:12:25.000The documents show that in the early stages, Lind's response were cable to Washington every hour.
00:12:32.000And it says that Lind initially pled not guilty, but he later admitted reduced charges and was sentenced to 20 years.
00:12:38.000He and his lawyers also agreed to drop claims that he had been tortured by a U.S.
00:12:51.000I mean, they publicly put these people in hoods, mask over their mouths, earplugs, bow on their hands, chain them down, squatting on their knees for days.
00:13:03.000That's one of the most severe forms of torture, my friends.
00:13:05.000You try doing it for ten minutes and then add the sensory deprivation and see if you don't go crazy.
00:13:13.000But the torture's a lot worse than that.
00:13:15.000I mean, there's stuff they've done that's admitted that I can't even talk about on air.
00:13:45.000But I thought we took over Saddam because he tortured.
00:13:48.000I thought the Taliban were bad because they tortured.
00:13:50.000I thought torture was back as Joseph Mengele did it.
00:13:53.000I know I talk a lot about torture, but in a society where they come out and say they're torturing people and it's good, then we see the images of it, then they try to deny it, and there's this memory hole, to use the Orwellian term, of just day-to-day stories changing 180 degrees, and this isn't being pointed out by the mainstream media.
00:14:21.000Very, very serious to be facing this, and I don't know, what's your take on it?
00:14:29.000Rumsfeld investigating himself, but clearly it isn't just Rumsfeld.
00:14:34.000And in this London Independent article, it talks about how the council, Rumsfeld's council, was saying, yeah, go ahead and torture him, do whatever you want, take the gloves off.
00:14:44.000Well, it's the same Pentagon council saying, Rumsfeld says that Bush is above any federal or international law.
00:14:51.000And that we can torture whoever we want.
00:14:53.000I mean, those actual memos are now public.
00:15:10.000And the question is, will they be held accountable?
00:15:12.000Because if they aren't held accountable, and they just burn a few patsies who followed orders, and that doesn't abstain them from guilt either, then it sets the precedent for the globalists to continue torture on a mass scale.
00:15:22.000What we're seeing is the process of legitimizing torture.
00:15:29.000And I've talked ad nauseum about how every time I turn television on, and I literally don't watch more than an hour a week, But every time I'm in a restaurant and a big screen TV is on, or I'm at the local TV station and they've got monitors on with different channels, and I stop and watch five minutes of Keith or Sutherland's 24, ABC News' Threat Matrix,
00:16:19.000It's like saying to Hitler, no it's wrong to shut down these businesses of people you don't like and to arrest your political enemies and to put them in slave labor camps.
00:16:28.000if somebody would have been there and said no and stood up and admitted what
00:16:32.000was happening early on, Hitler wouldn't have been able to get away with what he did!
00:16:39.000You know, if we stood up and said no to what Israel's doing, torturing living daylights, they admit they torture people
00:16:50.000including Israelis that refuse to be conscripted.
00:16:53.000You If people in Israel more aggressively stood up and pointed out what's even been admitted in Haraz and in the Jerusalem Post, that the Israeli government has been behind a lot of the terror attacks, then that would stop.
00:17:07.000If we stood up and pointed out that our government's behind the terror attacks, Then it would stop.
00:17:12.000If we stood up and exposed that the British MI6 and MI5 are admittedly behind many of the terror attacks, it would stop.
00:17:39.000They'll be slaves a hundred years from now.
00:17:42.000But in America, we had a different history of, yes, we had a lot of evils and a lot of problems, but we had a way of standing up against them and defeating those evils.
00:17:52.000But not anymore, because it's the age of the yuppie.
00:17:56.000The age of people thinking they're part of the system!
00:17:58.000The age of rationalizing what's happening and being in deep denial!
00:18:39.000And Paul Watson, my webmaster for the Prison Planet side of things, is doing just an exemplary, superb job on those websites, and we really appreciate his work on that.
00:18:50.000And in the Nazi USA section, exposing the Nazi-style government, We have the Brave New World section as a subsection, and in that, there's the vaccine section about the cancer viruses, the mercury in the vaccines, the population control programs.
00:19:11.000It's all there for you, but we're going to put a link on the main page to that sub-directory, so it's a little bit easier for you to find.
00:19:19.000And yesterday, for some reason, we didn't get that National Geographic photo of the satanic ritual at Bohemian Grove posted, though a lot of you saw it on the National Geographic website.
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00:24:29.000Right now, let's go ahead and open the phones up, and then we'll continue with a lot of important news in the next segment.
00:24:37.000George in Canada, you're on the air, go ahead.
00:24:41.000We're having an election up here in Canada, and I just want to make sure that a lot of your listeners who are listening north of the parallel understand that the leader of the Conservative Party, Mr. Harper, He was attending the Bilderberg Convention in Canada last year.
00:24:55.000It was in the Toronto Sun, May 15, 2003, so I'm sure it's gone down the memory hole.
00:25:00.000He attended with our then Prime Minister, Khrushchev, who shortly thereafter retired and offered his position to the incumbent, now Mr. Martin.
00:25:10.000And Mr. Harper was chosen as our new Prime Minister then.
00:25:13.000So Mr. Martin is to throw the election, and Mr. Harper is going to pick up all the loose change by exposing an old scandal.
00:25:20.000So don't be sucked into voting for this guy, because he's the pick of the New World Order.
00:25:24.000Vote for the most common down-to-earth neighbor you have, but don't waste your time or your money on this guy.
00:25:30.000Another interesting thing I came across in some research was a terrorist attack in the United States diverted back in the Nixon era.
00:25:39.000I was in a book called The Glasshouse Tapes by Lewis Tackwood, who was affiliated with the Los Angeles Police Department.
00:25:45.000They were going to have a Republican convention in Los Angeles.
00:25:50.000And he was an agent provocateur, he was supposed to hire a bunch of street thugs to fight the police, while at the same time, law enforcement agents working for the Nixon White House in an intelligence part of the LAPD were going to plant explosives In the convention hall.
00:26:34.000Well, with the Watergate break-ins and things starting to crumble around Mr. Nixon, this plot, and they were going to kill the delegates, and then that would give Nixon cause to declare a national emergency, become El Presidente for life.
00:26:47.000But one of the ringleaders of this, when the Republican Convention was moved to Miami, was a gentleman by the name of James McCord.
00:26:55.000He was the chief of security at that place, 19-year CIA veteran.
00:26:59.000And he was in charge of a 16-man unit that was concerned with planning and preparing for this process.
00:27:05.000And he got turned in, he was caught, he was arrested.
00:28:10.000Another place you may be able to find that information, it's been years since I've read it, but there's a Jonathan Stockwell book called The Secret Wars of the CIA.
00:28:22.000But about this torture thing, are there any Christian or faith groups out there who are opposing this?
00:28:29.000Because my experience has been, over the last couple of weeks, especially in conservative Christian circles, this mindset of, well, they do worse things to us, so, you know, it's almost a a rationale that they've come up with. Well that was the
00:28:48.000whole point of the scripting of CBS releases the torture photos that they had for a long time.
00:28:52.000Then they show Burr getting his head cut off, oh see this is okay.
00:28:57.000And this is sick. I've had people on this show that say yeah, torture's good.
00:29:01.000And then I wonder how those individuals out there feel.
00:29:05.000And you know, all the pundits that have been on television out there promoting torture.
00:29:09.000Now that all these horrible images come back and we learn of the rape of women.
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00:33:29.000Let's go ahead and go back to Andrea in Ohio.
00:33:32.000She was talking about how it's supposedly Christian now.
00:33:38.000According to some people, they make excuses for it and say, oh well, raping and killing and beating people to death, you know, we've got to get tough on the war on terror, we've got to do it to those evil Muslims.
00:33:50.000So, according to that worldview, I've said this before, I guess Joseph Mingala was okay.
00:33:56.000I don't think that the Nazi torture master was good, but maybe that's because I'm a devil worshipper.
00:34:02.000Well, I mean, you know, because now to be Christian, you've got to love Molech.
00:34:29.000Now, it has some really interesting historical parallels, because you see what the Nazi doctors did They did a similar type of thing, you see, Alex.
00:34:39.000They used the war as a pretext to start the euthanasia program, which first began on German citizens who were mentally ill or physically handicapped.
00:34:53.000They could be blind or crippled or whatever.
00:34:56.000And so what they did was they conditioned the public, much in the same way as we're being conditioned, with these films, such as the one I accused, that was a famous Nazi euthanasia film in which it was portrayed in a sympathetic light.
00:35:13.000There were also training films for doctors teaching them, you know, basically showing mentally ill patients in a disgusting light.
00:35:25.000And the reason I'm saying all that is that propaganda, whether the Nazis used it or we used it, It operates much the same way.
00:35:35.000I mean, other callers have said this, they build a straw man only so that he can be knocked down again.
00:35:42.000And they create a quote-unquote ethical quandary.
00:35:46.000Of course, the reality is nothing like the scenarios they create in these shows like Threat Matrix and 24.
00:36:15.000The reality is what it was in Latin America.
00:36:20.000I can remember reading the old Amnesty International and America's Watch reports.
00:36:24.000Yeah, they'd just pull a family over in their little truck, walk them out, put a bullet in daddy, mommy's head, line the toddlers up, mow them down.
00:36:34.000Yeah, and torture them for their training.
00:36:37.000You know, they're training people to do this.
00:36:39.000So they would grab somebody off the street and Well, ma'am, you've certainly done your homework.
00:36:47.000I've actually seen documentaries and read a lot about what the Nazis did, but actually they learned all this from American and British eugenics experts, Margaret Sanger and others, and in the Nuremberg trials, they actually tried to use the Margaret Sanger doctrine as their defense.
00:37:04.000Again, the head of Planned Parenthood, the founder of it, and just chilling stuff, and it did start on the retarded children, people who were handicapped, And they built the cadre out of that, and now we call it bioethics today, and it's being promoted.
00:37:20.000And again, it's not just conservatives that are out fighting it.
00:37:22.000Wesley Smith, who's a Democrat, writes for the Wall Street Journal.
00:37:28.000He's done dozens of reports listing the names of people who are paralyzed, neck down, begging for food and water.
00:37:36.000But because they signed over control of their life to the state, the state says, oh, you didn't want any aid, and they're begging, asking, man, please have water, food.
00:37:44.000I mean, he's listed the names, and they're killing people.
00:37:47.000How many Americans, I guess who don't read the Wall Street Journal, know that they're killing people begging for food and water?
00:37:55.000I think what has happened, if we've entered what I've heard called a culture of complacency, And we either don't care... Well, Wesley Smith calls it a culture of death.
00:38:06.000And we either don't care, or in the Christian world, there's this mindset that says, oh, well, prophecy's got to be fulfilled, so we can't do anything about it anyway.
00:38:18.000Or they're just so preoccupied with their own little lives.
00:38:22.000I mean, I think it struck me the other night.
00:38:25.000Just, you know, I mean, everybody's just going out to a restaurant, doing what they normally do, and, I mean, it's what Hannah Arendt calls the banality of evil.
00:38:37.000I hear you, and I appreciate the call.
00:38:51.000Yeah, Alex, uh, so this, uh, It's uh... commissions that are appointed are nothing but uh... washovers to camouflage the truth and counterfeit truth uh... you know during the uh... the warren commission and we go back through history uh... was there to whitewash and uh... obscure the truth about the kennedy assassinations and of course the new world order appointed some other people to it to uh... such as uh... Ford and uh...
00:39:21.000Next President Ford, and of course they rewarded him.
00:39:31.000And then the 9-11 Commission, you've got some very questionable characters there.
00:39:36.000You've got a Mr. Keene, who owned some of the stocks in some of the military industrial corporations that are reaping profits from the Okay, let me just say something here, Carlos.
00:39:54.000that you really are but the very update uh...
00:39:57.000are not large who have been uh... uh...
00:40:25.000It's like they appoint the new Iraqi government, and then go, oh look, we've given them freedom, our appointees want us to stay.
00:40:32.000I mean, this is so bald-faced, in-your-face, that it's staggering, just the wall of just obvious lies, and Chairman Keene He's in business with one of Bin Laden's brothers-in-law.
00:40:48.000He's in a bunch of different businesses with Bush.
00:40:51.000The head staffer on it helped write Connelisa Rice's book for a bunch of the other members.
00:40:58.000The Democrat who quit a few months ago got the head of the import-export bank.
00:41:06.000Again, it's like we've got Ashcroft investigating Rumsfeld For torture, and then Rumsfeld's running the investigation over himself.
00:41:18.000I mean, do we have to explain that the criminals aren't supposed to be the prosecutors in their own trials?
00:41:25.000Well, you know, the sad thing is that most Americans are so gullible that they don't see through the obvious things that other Americans that do a little bit of research do.
00:41:36.000You know, Americans don't care, basically, and that's why they're the most ignorant people on the Earth.
00:41:43.000And that said, this being the greatest economic power, the greatest democratic power, we have people that are so gullible and naive, and our nation is falling apart because of our lack of knowledge.
00:41:58.000Well, you're right, Carlos, but Carlos, that's the cycle.
00:42:02.000In every major civilization, they're strong to begin with, intelligent, informed, Then, because they're free, they become wealthy, you have plenty, and then their children become spoiled brats, their children become thugs, their children become killers, and then you've got tyranny.
00:42:23.000And it happens over and over and over again, and so we're decadent, and you're right.
00:42:29.000Just 50 years ago, Americans were the smartest people in the world, the highest test scores, the most educated.
00:42:38.000Okay, now we are behind all industrialized countries and 20 plus third world countries.
00:42:46.000We're way down the list now for the level of education and being informed.
00:42:54.000They have major polls every year of high school seniors and one year it's 75%, one year 89%.
00:44:06.000Yes, John Ashcroft stated two days ago in that investigation that we're not covered by the Geneva Convention because our so-called enemies Are not wearing uniforms.
00:44:18.000Let me stop you, Ken, because a lot of people don't know what you're talking about.
00:44:21.000You're making another incredible, just incredible call after incredible call.
00:44:24.000Ashcroft, before Congress, testified about the torture, said he won't release all the memos where they say Bush is God and is allowed to torture and is above all federal laws.
00:44:33.000We did get those pieces of the memo, but He's refusing to release or investigate it, and yes, I didn't see it, but I read the transcript.
00:44:41.000Then with Doublethink, oh, we're not torturing, we're not going to give you the information, but at the same time, oh, but we're allowed to, because we're not under the Geneva Convention, because these are enemy combatants.
00:44:50.000I have never heard such doublespeak in my life.
00:44:54.000I mean, it was... I mean, I saw the whole thing, and it was just... It was absolutely astounding.
00:45:00.000He kept repeating, the President has not ordered anything that...
00:45:03.000countervenes the Geneva Convention and then they they pressed him and they said
00:45:07.000but what about torture itself and he says he has not countervened the Geneva
00:45:13.000He really would not answer the question.
00:45:15.000It's obvious that these memos going back and forth, he gave the advice, and torture is okay.
00:45:21.000Well, General Antonio Tagumas' report of, what, five weeks ago, has the admissions, the confessions, he saw the thousands of photographs and videos, they admit raping women.
00:46:21.000I think we need an independent prosecutor.
00:46:23.000But how are we going to get an independent prosecutor when the Republicans who support the President, which are the majority in Congress, Have to appoint the independent prosecutor.
00:46:53.000But don't you think that if we put enough pressure on the Congress, that they'll finally have to appoint some kind of independent counsel to investigate this thing?
00:47:00.000Yeah, but, I mean, they called this, the 9-11 Commission, independent when Bush appointed it.
00:47:04.000They called Danforth, appointed by Reno, over the Waco investigation, independent.
00:47:08.000They're calling Rumsfeld, running the torture investigation, independent, when the memos are out there, when he gave the order.
00:47:54.000I mean, when the government starts saying we're not bound by our own laws, folks, we know they've been ignoring their own laws forever and selectively enforcing them, but heaven help us when they start publicly saying we're not bound by laws.
00:48:19.000We'll come back and continue with calls.
00:48:21.000We've got an amazing guest in the second hour, Bob Chapman, coming up.
00:48:26.000And we'll come back and go to Winston, and then we'll talk to Mark and Kevin and many, many others.
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00:54:01.000he's the t-rex of political talk alex jones on the gcn radio network
00:54:10.000you know the good news is that we're still able to get up on the radio on
00:54:13.000a m and f m stations across the country from kansas city to pensacola florida
00:54:17.000from rhode islander los angeles california from austin texas to
00:54:22.000you know denver colorado and and and and it's all the truth And that it's not part of this phony left-right paradigm.
00:54:29.000And the best news I can give you is this.
00:54:31.000I have talked on the streets to thousands of people.
00:54:35.000I have done, now it's over 1,600 radio interviews in the last two and a half years.
00:54:41.000And maybe one call out of 30 calls in and disagrees.
00:55:03.000I'm consulting for two British TV documentaries.
00:55:07.000I'm consulting on two films, major motion pictures.
00:55:14.000I am, you know, writing forwards for books, and it's so diverse.
00:55:19.000There is such an awakening taking place.
00:55:22.000Got a call yesterday, I haven't seen it yet, but the new Running Man release, 2004 DVD, supposedly has a 20-minute special, saying, look at the Running Man!
00:55:29.000This is all really happening in America!
00:56:11.000Also, there's a little clip on the end of the Matrix that's similar to that, where the producer's just talking about it, and he talks about how there is a secret behind the secret, and it's on the end of the Matrix.
00:56:26.000But at any rate, that's not what I called it.
00:56:52.000And, uh, I just had been listening to you for a while, and it amazes me at how saturated we are with this new way of thinking.
00:57:01.000For instance, this CD is free, and I just picked it up, you know, to see what it was, put it on my computer, and it's a game!
00:57:08.000And the name of the game is Welcome to the Department of Pre-Crime.
00:57:12.000And you have a case you have to find and identify the perpetrator of the pre-crime.
00:57:16.000Yeah, that's a Philip K. Dick book and um... and uh... Spielberg is definitely on the other side.
00:57:23.000He goes to Bilderberg Group meetings uh... and they basically took that film and it's a big conditioning mechanism.
00:57:30.000Well this is a little game that you play on your TV.
00:57:32.000Yeah, I know they had a game with it and the fake TV ads and the rest of it.
00:57:36.000Alright, the other thing I wanted to mention Well, there was another movie called The Trial by Orson Welles, 1963.
00:57:42.000It was just another movie I picked up, and it basically is about how, and it's basically what's going on now, where they have a guy's convicted, uh, arrested, but nobody will tell him what he's arrested for.
00:57:56.000And everybody just says, you know what, you know what to do.
00:58:00.000And that's what Homeland Security does, and they're setting that precedent for all citizens for all crimes.
00:58:06.000And this was back in 1963, so... By the way, if you want to say hi to the star of the Matrix, you can say hi to him right now.
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01:00:15.000All right, my friends, we're now into our number two of this Live Thursday edition.
01:00:36.000We have John Ashcroft and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld investigating themselves and the torture scandal.
01:00:46.000We have a lot of Big Brother activities going on, more troops, our troops being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq, a bunch of economic news, and of course, I know we've got loaded phone lines, but we're going to your calls early in this hour.
01:00:58.000And Bob Chapman was in military intelligence, he's a highly respected economist, written for a lot of big journals in the country.
01:01:08.000And he's made incredible prediction after amazing prediction here on this show of the years and on other broadcasts and in print in his International Forecaster, one of the most highly respected periodicals out there.
01:01:23.000And we're going to have Bob Chapman with us.
01:01:25.000And Bob, good to have you on the show with us.
01:01:31.000Hey, Bob, good to have you on with us.
01:01:35.000Bob, tell us a little bit about yourself in a nutshell for those who don't know who you are.
01:01:39.000Then I want to get into the whole geopolitical scene, the economy, the war, the impending terror attacks that Bush is out fear-mongering us through as surrogates.
01:01:49.000Well, as you said, I worked in counterintelligence for the government.
01:01:55.000I was probably one of the largest, if not the largest, gold-silver stockbroker I've been in the world for 28 years, own my own brokerage firm.
01:02:06.000I retired in 1989 and couldn't stand it, so I continued to write.
01:02:13.000I had written for several journals, plus my own clientele of 6,000 clients, and so I just carried it on with the International Forecaster.
01:02:25.000I also had another publication before that called the Gary Allen Report, which Gary Allen and I wrote together.
01:02:34.000Now, I know you've got a lot on your mind today, and I've got questions I've got for you, and I know the listeners will as well, so we can talk about basically any issue, but the economy right now, they're telling us that it's doing wonderfully, but then I look at all the real economic numbers, and they're in the toilet.
01:02:49.000What's the reality from your 30-plus years of study?
01:02:54.000Well, I think the overall reality is the government is lying about most every figure that they released.
01:03:03.000Now, whether that would happen under a different administration remains to be seen, because of the power behind the government itself.
01:03:11.000But the American public is not being told the truth, and that's why people subscribe to the International Forecaster, hoping that they can get more of the truth as to what is really going on.
01:03:24.000And so, yes, it is as bad as it seems.
01:03:27.000Particularly in this unemployment situation, which they've tried to improve.
01:03:32.000To make a long story short, most of it is deception, and employment has only improved ever so slightly, in spite of the billions and billions of dollars that have been poured into the economy.
01:03:49.000And so I think the situation is now that the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, Has got to increase in liquidity at an ever-increasing rate just to keep the economy's nose above water.
01:04:06.000And I think he's got some serious problems with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
01:04:10.000And I think that's why, over the last month, that he increased the monetary aggregates by about $155 billion under M3.
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01:07:56.000alex jones on the gcn radio network all right my friends i know we have a lot of fun life
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01:08:07.000I want to try to keep Bob Chapman on the can a little bit into the next hour as well, so we have plenty of time to go over all of this.
01:08:14.000But Bob, for those that just joined us, it's always good to reintroduce this.
01:08:17.000And then I want to go into how the economy really works and what it means to have a plunging dollar and what we're facing.
01:08:22.000But first off, how did you discover the New World Order being at the pinnacle of economic success, one of the most highly respected names on the stock market and on gold and other metals?
01:09:02.000The New World Order is a dream of internationalists who run the financial backdrop for every country in the world and they control most everything that goes on in every country from behind the scenes.
01:10:09.000That they want booms and busts to consolidate power and control.
01:10:14.000So I guess we should talk about the Federal Reserve And why they're more than happy, I guess, to have the dollar plunging, and what it means to have a weak dollar.
01:10:24.000And then, extrapolating from there, what it means to have the Federal Reserve printing money like the late Weimar Republic in the twenties.
01:10:34.000Well, the Federal Reserve is a privately owned organization which is controlled by these people.
01:10:39.000And they create the background Uh, for financial events for the future.
01:10:48.000And presently, uh, what they, on behalf of their mentors, are doing is leading the United States towards a depression.
01:10:59.000And, um, before that happens, I think you're gonna see inflation to some extent.
01:11:04.000It all depends, uh, on the inflation side of it, whether the President of the United States is impeached.
01:11:13.000I think you're going to see over the next several days here since the resignation of two top people in the CIA and the President and Dick Cheney among others hiring criminal attorneys I think that they've been caught lying about the Valerie Palm thing, and I think it could bring down the government, and I think the Neocons could be out, and I think that there's a possibility that there would be another Republican nominee.
01:11:44.000And these are the things that are going on that are affecting The whole situation and of course the underlying thing is the financial problems which have been created deliberately because what they expected to do was keep the economy going well, get Bush re-elected, and then after the election they let the economy go down.
01:12:08.000But anyway, the Fed has been pumping money in, and over the last month they put in NM3, which is a conglomeration of most instruments such as checking and savings and commercial paper.
01:12:22.000And that increase has been made to increase liquidity in the markets, and I think the main reason Is to keep Fannie and Freddie afloat, and the secondary reason is to pump more money into the stock market to keep it up prior to the elections.
01:12:38.000Okay, Fannie, Freddie, explain to people what that means.
01:12:42.000Now, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are two agencies which buy mortgages from people who originate them.
01:12:50.000And then they package them and they sell them to investors, but they guarantee them.
01:12:54.000Now, up until just recently, It's been assumed that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, because they're quasi-governmental organizations, that their worth was guaranteed by the federal government.
01:13:07.000And they have about $3 trillion worth of paper out there, which is backed by derivatives and a very, very small actual cash and equity position.
01:13:21.000It's a giant bubble, there's absolutely no question, and that's been generated by 1% prime rate and loans at their lowest point were 5.35% for the 30-year fixed mortgage.
01:13:31.000their lowest point were 5.35% for the 30-year fixed mortgage. Those rates are up to around
01:13:38.0006.25% right now. And as the rates move higher, you're going to have more people having foreclosures,
01:13:45.000particularly those who have adjustable mortgages called ARMs.
01:13:54.000Now, many of those people didn't think interest rates would go higher, and I'm expecting three more points on interest rates using the 10-year Treasury note, which has already gone up 1.20% over the last maybe eight weeks.
01:14:12.000And as they go up and their arms come due and they have to renew them, they'll get a higher interest rate.
01:14:19.000They won't be able to pay it and they'll walk away from their homes.
01:14:22.000And so the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are holding those mortgages.
01:14:27.000And then they have to follow these foreclosures.
01:14:30.000Now, what does it mean to have a plunging dollar?
01:14:33.000The average... I mean, people in Mexico know what it means to have a weak peso, but the average yuppie I talk to think it's funny that the dollar has been devalued, depending on what index you look at, 35 to 46 percent.
01:14:45.000Number one, what is the real devaluing in the last two years of the dollar, and what does that mean?
01:14:50.000Well, the dollar, since the mid-1970s, is off A close to 70% in value from inflation over the ensuing years.
01:15:01.000But when the dollar goes down, it makes U.S.
01:15:47.000Yes, and I think it's got another 30 or 40 to go.
01:15:50.000Now, Bush said last year that a plunging dollar is good.
01:15:53.000He said this year that fast food jobs should be indexed as industry jobs, high-tech jobs, and he said that the Congressional Budget Office stated as well that we're going to have seven times the layoffs in the next five years on high tech, and that exporting jobs is our main export, and that it's a good thing.
01:16:13.000Well, that's insanity, and any sane person knows that.
01:16:17.000He doesn't know what he's talking about.
01:16:19.000He may have a master's degree, but he probably has slept through classes.
01:16:26.000Well, he obviously knows that's a fraud, but this is the propaganda of putting a good face on it.
01:16:32.000Well, most everything that they've done is fraud.
01:16:35.000I mean, when this POM affair comes out, people are... I mean, it was bad enough the last couple of weeks to find out that we had outside contractors as well as military personnel raping and torturing and abusing prisoners.
01:16:50.000Now we're going to be beset with the exposure of probably one of the most important CIA operatives in the agency.
01:17:03.000Out of vindictiveness against your husband Joseph Wilson for saying that the administration was lying about there being uranium that was being shipped to Iraq by a Niger.
01:17:18.000And the CIA had told them The administration.
01:19:00.000So you're thinking the globalists may use Bush as a sacrificial lamb politically to make people believe that the plunging economy and the torture and the CIA sellouts, that all that was Bush?
01:19:13.000That's correct, and it's only because they have to.
01:19:16.000If they didn't have to, they wouldn't want to get rid of him.
01:19:18.000I mean, they had him going on the way for his second term.
01:19:23.000And all of these things have come together at the wrong time.
01:19:26.000The Europeans, the black nobility in Europe, that is part of this conspiracy, the original part of this conspiracy, if you may, they're furious with him.
01:19:37.000Because he's just gone off to deep ends.
01:19:42.000I mean, out of 3,000 government contracts, Halliburton, There's 2,700 of them.
01:19:46.000Tell you what, stay there, Incredible.
01:19:48.000We'll take your calls when we get back.
01:19:50.000We're talking to Bob Chapman on Alex Jones.
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01:24:08.000There's kind of a mental illness that occurs at high altitudes at the pinnacle of power.
01:24:13.000It happens in most cases, the majority of the time throughout history.
01:24:17.000You can take a normal, nice person, give them a lot of power, and they'll flip out and turn into tyrants.
01:24:23.000Well, you've got inbred families working together People who funded the Nazis, my friends, in control, and they're going all the way.
01:24:32.000And when I said during the last segment, you know, that Bob Chapman's made a lot of predictions that come true and that he's only been late a few times, by that he'll say, I think Gold's going to do this in six months, and it doesn't happen in six months, it happens in eight months.
01:24:48.000You know, frankly, I have a lot of that, you know, same talent at looking at all the different information and integrating it together.
01:24:56.000Frankly, I'm getting this from a lot of corners that I respect.
01:25:02.000That we could see a major Super Watergate scandal or Bush may go ahead and pull a big terror attack before that happens to smoke screen that out.
01:25:10.000Now, I said we'd go to calls in this segment.
01:25:12.000We will in the next because I wanted to give Bob Chapman a chance to respond to the government saying there's going to be terror attacks, we're going to have martial law, it's good, all these generals saying this.
01:25:28.000Well, I predicted that about four or five months ago, if the election was close or Mr. Bush was behind, and the latest polls I've seen is that his rating for approval is 42 and 43 percent, and that's considerably behind.
01:25:47.000Different agencies, including the White House itself, without even consulting the FBI, CIA, or Homeland Security, their most recent alert came right out of the White House.
01:26:41.000If we do have that kind of an act, and we do have martial law, then they're going to have to face the window of opportunity.
01:26:49.000And that is that window so they can go forward and implement world government.
01:26:55.000But at the same time, when they do that, everybody in the world is going to know what they're doing.
01:27:00.000And because of people like you and I, they're going to know why they're doing it.
01:27:05.000And they stand a great Well, you know, I tend to agree with you.
01:27:09.000exposed and what they're doing and the public may just revolt
01:27:14.000so that uh... you know they're on pins and needles here they've laid the plan out
01:27:19.000and uh... i don't know whether this martial law thing is part of their plan or not
01:27:24.000maybe it's just bushes maybe it's his own megalomania it's just too hard to call
01:27:31.000well you know i tend to agree with you before nine eleven i got enough clear
01:27:36.000information in their propaganda reading how they were trying to prepare the
01:27:39.000public but i want on a rise of call the white house
01:27:43.000Call the Congress, tell them, don't use your Patsy Bin Laden to attack the World Trade Centers.
01:27:48.000I mean, that's how much information I had, and that was on the record on radio and TV, and that's in my film, Masters of Terror.
01:27:54.000And everybody heard me for a month straight, coming up before 9-11, off and on, spending three hours, sometimes a day, warning people, because it was specific.
01:28:58.000Everything is up in the air and that's why being in hard assets like gold and silver stocks and coins is a very good idea because they're very protective during times like that.
01:29:08.000And also, the regular stock market could become a victim if some of these things happen, which are negative.
01:29:17.000Although I do believe that the Federal Reserve is doing its best to drive the market higher, and I think that was part of the deal that Mr. Greenspan made with Mr. Bush to get re-nominated for another term.
01:29:31.000And that was to keep the market up or bring it higher.
01:29:34.000And then we heard... To show financial results.
01:29:36.000And then we heard the Saudis were going to pump more oil right before the election, and now they're doing that.
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01:33:12.000Mark and Kevin and Fred and Kevin and a bunch of other people that are patiently holding
01:33:20.000The websites are PrisonPlanet.com and Infowars.com and we do live in interesting times.
01:33:25.000We're on the edge of going either to the next level of tyranny or giving tyranny quite a blow.
01:33:32.000But again, the globalists have got it set up where they can burn Apache-like Bush, who's really just a minion of them, a puppet, and then put in his cousin, his skull and bones buddy, Kerry.
01:33:42.000So there's a larger program going on here, but as Bob Chapman said, the globalists are so greedy.
01:33:48.000Out of 3,000 contracts, 2,700 plus go to Halliburton alone.
01:33:53.000$1,200,000,000 missing from the Pentagon.
01:33:54.000You know, forget this article today about $100,000,000 in unused plane tickets by the Pentagon.
01:34:42.000You know Alex, I think that a lot of people don't realize what happens when they drink water that's full of contaminants.
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01:35:04.000And they just don't really realize, they don't connect it with the water because When you have contaminated water or contaminants in the water, it's not like when you drink it, then five minutes later you feel sick.
01:35:16.000The way it works is it starts clogging up your cells, it starts lowering your immune system, your immune system gets overtaxed trying to get rid of all this stuff.
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01:35:29.000And there are hundreds of prestigious medical reports on this.
01:35:32.000I mean, a major municipal water supply, mercury, Prozac, Ritalin, birth control pills, high levels of it, fluoride, chlorine, dead bacteria.
01:35:42.000Oh yeah, the chlorine just kills what was alive.
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01:39:09.000Alright, going back to our guest, Bob Chapman, and later we'll tell you about the International Forecast Review if you want a complimentary copy of that.
01:39:19.000We're going to go to the calls in about 60 seconds, but Bob, when I listen to the financial talk show host on the radio and I occasionally watch TV, it is such a false reality of lies they're putting out.
01:39:32.000Just from the other professional journals I read, they have to know they're congenital liars.
01:40:39.000I have a quick comment and then a question.
01:40:41.000The comment is, I think this issue with the Mexican truckers displacing the jobs of American truckers could be the thing that turns the tide and allows the American people to know that they're We've been taken over by a shadow government.
01:40:57.000They're not even going to be searched, but citizens are on the street corners in the middle of the country.
01:41:40.000They also took possession of a top-secret, classified diplomatic and intelligence library.
01:41:49.000And since that time, the Iranians, publishing in their own language, have published like 70 volumes called Documents from the Nest of Spies.
01:42:00.000And to my knowledge, they've never been translated from Farsi into English.
01:42:05.000And I'm wondering if you or your guest or somebody knows somewhere on the web or at some library in North America or Europe where these Documents from the nest of spies have been translated into English.
01:42:17.000That would be interesting, but it's pretty old intelligence, and plus anything that's going to be in a consul probably wouldn't be of the highest level.
01:42:25.000The United States government has forbidden professional journals and scientific journals from Iran and Iraq and some of the other countries over there from being translated in the United States.
01:43:05.000But, listen, we find ourselves back-to-back in this fight against the Bush administration.
01:43:11.000You know, we can disagree, we can have our opinions, and we can work what we think is right out in the open, and keep the American people... And I suppose, let me stop you, I suppose you think Kerry's going to save you.
01:43:23.000I don't think Kerry's going to save me, but I don't think Kerry is a corrupt, immoral man.
01:44:02.000Well, I think you've pretty well covered it, and that's why I tell people to go to a third-party candidate.
01:44:08.000And yes, that's why they do want our weapons, and once they're gone, we're dead.
01:44:13.000I mean, sir, can't you get past the... Look, look, the government, Mark, or excuse me, Kevin, Created the U.N., created the gun control movements.
01:44:36.000Well, Alex, we're going to be ideologically opposed on a lot of things, but there's a very specific and real danger that we're working together.
01:45:17.000And that's why things never get better, because the left in America thinks it's just the Republicans, and the right in America thinks it's the Democrats, when they're Siamese twins!
01:46:39.000Well, it's exactly what you said, and more.
01:46:41.000It's going to become the housing for world government.
01:46:45.000And when world government comes, we lose our sovereignty, you lose your citizenship, you become a member of the world, and then from some place in Brussels or London or wherever it is, they're going to dictate to you how you're going to live.
01:46:58.000And that has already begun under the World Trade Organization, and NAFTA, and the proposed FTAA, and these are instruments Yeah, and by the way, they say that in their own documents.
01:47:40.000It may be a small point, but I only called to make this one point, okay, and I was trying to lay the groundwork for it, and we are diametrically opposed on a number of issues.
01:47:47.000You're on the right, I believe, I'm on the left.
01:47:50.000Sure, I'm way past, I'm way past the left-right paradigm.
01:47:53.000Well, okay, okay, but some would argue that you're just far right.
01:48:03.000I can debate my facts with points and history and legislation and All you say is that's your opinion, moral relativism.
01:48:14.000When men in black ski masks come and take you to a forced labor camp, buddy, and I've been to them, all your talk about moral relativism doesn't matter.
01:48:30.000I don't believe that moral relativism is valuable, and I think a good example of moral relativism is watching this Bush administration condone torture in the name of protecting us from terror.
01:48:39.000But were you complaining when Bill Clinton was supporting School of America?
01:48:56.000Wait a minute, Clinton said he likes Bush and Bush is doing a good job!
01:49:01.000I think you may be taking things slightly out of context.
01:49:03.000Do you have anything else to say to this guy?
01:49:09.000Well, I think it's a great idea that the left and the right can come together for a common cause or against a common enemy, but I think we see the same intellectual dishonesty that we saw in the 1950s.
01:49:24.000And that is, you have to go and find out what the facts are, and when you do, you'll change.
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01:54:17.000I'm going to get Bob's response in the next hour or two to what life will be like under the new world order.
01:54:21.000I mean, we're already inside the gates of it, but as we burrow deeper into the bowels of it, if they succeed, what will life be like under these control freaks?
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01:57:49.000okay it has been the key to what they've been doing and what they've been doing is totally unprecedented
01:57:55.000historically I mean, they are way out on the edge, and they're going to fall off.
01:58:01.000And I think they're going to come down anywhere between 20 and 80 percent, depending upon the price of the house and the location, etc.
01:58:08.000But isn't that part of the larger plan by the IMF and World Bank, we have our own documents from two years ago, to artificially create these bubbles and then have controlled burstings?
01:58:19.000Absolutely, because it puts the public in a total vulnerable position financially, and it forces them to agree with government that wants to introduce one world government.
01:58:33.000They can't argue because they don't have any money, or they can't put gas in their car, they don't have any electricity, they can't feed their kids.
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02:00:02.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:00:09.000My friends, I have publicly published copies of the National Banking Associations and others, 150 years ago, bragging about how they made their money by blowing out economies and then foreclosing on everyone.
02:00:30.000The banks, my friends, can take a dollar and then loan out $10, $15, $20 for each dollar that they actually have in their bank account.
02:00:37.000And the Federal Reserve prints it out of nothing and creates debt that we owe to the private banks.
02:00:51.000And the new Public Works Program is going to be the new national draft.
02:00:56.000Different bills have people 18 to 49 being under its control.
02:01:00.000We're about to go back to your calls to Kevin and Brian and John and Dylan and Joe and others, but in this short segment, first, the draft.
02:01:11.000Talk about the draft, this radical re-engineering of the entire society, and what you think is going to develop, Bob Chapman.
02:01:19.000Well, I think you're going to see a lot of people moving their children out of the country.
02:01:24.000And the reason I think that is we've received about almost two thousand increase of from people
02:01:46.000i mean these people come from all walks of life who don't want their children
02:01:51.000and grandchildren used as cannon fodder in
02:01:54.000in a perpetual war for perpetual peace and And they also don't want them hauled off to the new U.S.
02:02:01.000camp that's being built in Australia to be trained, and then sent to the Middle East, and goodness knows when the children will ever come home again, and the tremendous change it will make in their lives.
02:02:15.000The whole thing is a total waste, but what it is, as you said, I call it the new Civilian Conservation Corps.
02:02:25.000It's a way to offset the unemployment which will be flooding the streets because of the financial fiasco which they've created.
02:02:36.000They're talking about a three million draft for the military and ten million for these domestic corps.
02:02:43.000They're going to say, fine, you don't have to go overseas.
02:03:32.000Well, I'd like you to talk about that.
02:03:33.000I mean, I'm betting, but, you know, that's just the way it is.
02:03:37.000Well, I'd like you to talk about that if we take some calls, because part of this New World Order is they've already got a deal with Canada that you can't run there.
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02:07:58.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
02:08:02.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:08:09.000You know, there are people who study football.
02:08:15.000Frankly, I was one of them in high school, who could tell you about all the professional football teams, all the college teams, the scores, you know, how much their linebackers weigh, and they're experts on that.
02:08:31.000So the public isn't stupid, they're just ignorant on areas that they should be informed on.
02:08:50.000Just like Bob Chapman, I spend four, five, six hours a day sometimes reading news wires.
02:08:57.000Reading transcripts, looking at legislation, and the picture is clear.
02:09:00.000Total tyranny, total despotism emerging.
02:09:04.000So I'm not an expert on football anymore, I'm an expert on geopolitical systems and how the left and right are controlled and how things are infiltrated and how they condition the public.
02:09:14.000And it's always refreshing to have Bob Chapman on the show because he obviously is out there scanning and reading and researching and then has that larger world backdrop to look at the spectrum through to kind of filter it.
02:09:31.000It's good to talk to somebody who's informed.
02:09:35.000I want to go to these calls here in just a moment, but where are some of the safe places that people want to get their children out of the country that don't have extradition, draft extradition deals like Canada does now?
02:09:52.000There's one particular country I think is a good one, and there are two others, but I'd rather not give them out on the radio because what's going to happen is the government's going to start leaning on them.
02:10:04.000But I do know this, that you're right about Canada, they have made an agreement with the United States to return draft evaders, and I would think that New Zealand and Australia will do exactly the same thing.
02:10:18.000And so, that cuts it down, you know, those are the countries that most people think of immediately.
02:10:25.000The people can contact me, I'll tell them privately, but if I put it out over the air, they're going to be all over those countries, you know, trying to make an agreement with them.
02:10:36.000Well, I think they're already, I know the countries you're talking, I think they already are, Bob.
02:10:42.000I haven't read anything on it yet, and I think they've been doing, you know, other things that I think are more important to them at the moment, but the longer it takes for them to try to get an agreement, the better it is.
02:10:57.000I tell you, this is just... Now, again, you served in the military.
02:11:01.000A lot of people did, who are now against this, because this isn't our military, is it?
02:11:07.000No, and if you look at it in the perspective that not only have they pulled up our Reserve and National Guard forces and they have a small military, what has happened at the top of the military is that many of the people upon retirement or long before that, who were real professionals, have quit and joined mercenary armies.
02:11:31.000Also... And we've got thousands and thousands of people who are assisting our military And they have plausible deniability.
02:13:19.000I mean, if people are going to To deny that they've got all these draft bills introduced, draft boards being set up now for eight months, Selective Service preparing to force women into it.
02:13:29.000This is all in the newspaper, and still the yuppies I know who've got children laugh at me and say, no, it isn't going to happen, you're making it up.
02:13:36.000I mean, why are they in denial on something that's public?
02:13:40.000Yeah, well, I think it's part of their personality, and it's always been that way.
02:13:45.000They are in denial, like I said, to the gentleman who previously called.
02:14:09.000Well yeah, they do the mental trick, the gymnastics of, no, I'm in control of my life, I have power, everything I've been taught is true, don't tell me that the world's round, I say it's flat, shut up, I don't want to hear it!
02:14:22.000Yeah, until a bayonet goes in and I feel the sharp pain.
02:14:26.000Okay, former military intelligence, economist, preeminent researcher, Bob Chapman's our guest.
02:14:52.000Second quick comment is regarding the other Kevin that called in a couple of callers back.
02:14:58.000He's not tuned in and he doesn't get it.
02:15:00.000I'm a former self-described proud liberal, but I've woken the New World Order.
02:15:04.000He won't Wake up until he reads some more of your stuff, so don't scare him away, because he'll come to our side, he knows something's wrong, but he has to realize that there's no savior in the Hillary, you know, occult campaign either.
02:15:18.000My question for Bob Chapman is, I was interested in his reaction to some points made by Senator Tom Ferguson, a Maryland state senator, who posted an article about elite bankers pulling the plug on the U.S.
02:15:33.000And some of the points that he made that I was wondering what Mr. Chapman concurred or not with was, you know, he notes that the Japanese Nikkei dropped 5% last night, that the SEC has changed their position.
02:15:46.000They're now saying they're going to remove the crash protection on derivatives, and that's a huge warning that they're about to pull the plug.
02:15:53.000He says that Wall Street insiders are quitting with the value of the stock exchange seat.
02:16:00.000We have, in the last two years, What is it, 40 to 1, Bob, of CEOs pulling out money 40 times for every time they put money in, and now that's accelerating.
02:19:16.000Well, I mean, notice... And the minute I get down there... You know, I... If you're seeing this conference room, I'm a little... I need to tell you more.
02:19:25.000I'll tell you what, Bob, your phone just started cutting out.
02:19:28.000We'll try to reconnect with you or see if that gets better.
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02:24:10.000Brian in Louisiana, thanks for holding her on the air worldwide, sir.
02:24:15.000All right, I'll try to make this quick, but I got a personal question for both of y'all.
02:24:18.000Y'all falling in at 49 years old, and if they try to draft you, what are you going to do?
02:24:23.000Well, I don't fall into the over 49 years of age and I'm not going to serve a New World Order merc torture army where the troops are forced to take deadly vaccines and breathe depleted uranium and Bush has announced they're going to slash the benefits of the troops and not even take care of them despite the fact that even Korean War and Vietnam vets who were promised lifetime health care for them and their families have now been told they get nothing!
02:24:51.000That was a mouthful, but you're absolutely right.
02:24:53.000And the worst part of it probably is the Veterans Administration and their cutbacks and all of these people who have been injured in working in the military and now they won't take care of them.
02:25:06.000They won't even, they let them on furlough, the troops from Louisiana or in Fort Hood, Texas.
02:25:11.000They told them, yeah, y'all can go home, y'all got a week furlough for the Fourth of July, but we ain't bringing you, we got no money to send you home.
02:25:16.000A couple of businesses around Lafayette and TV stations chipped in and they're going to try to send them back.
02:25:23.000I think that's totally a shame and disgusting.
02:25:26.000But there's a trillion, two hundred billion missing from the Pentagon and hundreds of billions of dollars of contracts for Halliburton and others.
02:25:37.000I mean, there's no money because there's a mass looting going on, Bob!
02:25:41.000Absolutely, and HUD's the same way and it's like the cookie jar.
02:25:49.000I know there's no safe or sure thing in this life of death, taxes, and judgment after you die, but as far as getting into gold, do you know, Alex, or do you know of anything in the Patriot Act?
02:26:03.000Who's to say that, of course, you've got to put your money somewhere, and I'd rather have it in gold.
02:26:07.000Who's to say they're not going to, in the Patriot Act, it doesn't say somewhere where if you don't go, you're done for?
02:26:12.000Well, sir, executive orders say they can take your life, take your labor, take your money, take your gold, take your children, take your car, take your husband, take your wife.
02:26:36.000Alex, I feel like you're my brother, and Bob, I feel like you're my uncle.
02:26:39.000I love you guys, and I appreciate the efforts you do on my behalf.
02:26:44.000What I'd like to say is, earlier you had a guy talking about gun control.
02:26:47.000I remember the lady in England, when the livestock got sick and they were killing them all, she said, we didn't even have a shotgun to defend ourselves or defend our property.
02:28:10.000As regards to that gentleman that called back, a few callers back, identified himself as uh... left wing or whatever uh... are you five years ago i was staunch uh... pro-choice as they call it but i'll tell you what i never in this world possibly ever believed in gun control there's some kind of fine line that's all i have to say okay thank you for the call uh... let's talk to joe joe in montana go ahead
02:28:49.000Kevin's getting a lot of rhetoric here, and he should.
02:28:53.000I called to address the fact that if you're a true lover of truth and a real conservative in what I term the old conservative true values that love what America was founded on, you can never align yourself with people like Kevin and their agendas.
02:29:11.000They will exploit you to their own agendas if you do.
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02:32:47.000The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.
02:32:53.000Because there's a war on for your mind.
02:32:58.000All over the country, Homeland Security is announcing, hey, those traffic cameras, those cameras in your neighborhoods, oh, the Feds paid for those, and we're going to use those to watch you and face scan you.
02:33:11.000This is the new freedom, the most surveilled society in history.
02:33:15.000But nothing on the borders, of course.
02:33:18.000Again, it has nothing to do with terrorism.
02:34:07.000My films go the step further and expose the whole New World Order, other terrorist events, Bill Clinton in Oklahoma City, If you want the big picture in professionally produced videos, 9-11, The Road to Tyranny, Masters of Terror, those are my two films on 9-11, incredible works.
02:36:01.000You can make people do anything if they're afraid.
02:36:05.000The FAA has taken the action to close all of the airports in the United States.
02:36:12.000All commercial and airline traffic was grounded.
02:36:15.000But we had some airplanes authorized at the highest levels of our government to pick up Osama Bin Laden's family members and transport them out of this country.
02:36:22.000In the middle of the war, corporations decided to hold a conference to figure out how much money could be made.
02:36:30.000Once that oil starts flowing, it's gonna be lots of money.
02:36:32.000Whatever it costs, the government will pay you.
02:36:34.000It's gonna be good for business, bad for the people.
02:36:37.000Congressman, trying to get numbers of Congress to get their kids to enlist in the Army and go over to Iraq.
02:36:47.000The USA Patriot Act allows for searches of medical and financial records.
02:36:52.000It gives law enforcement almost unlimited power.
02:36:55.000They wait till the middle of the night.
02:36:56.000It's printed in the middle of the night.
02:36:58.000How could Congress pass this Patriot Act without even reading it?
02:38:11.000Because, again, the globalists can have the left expose the right side of the New World Order, the right can expose the left side of the New World Order, but the system keeps moving on.
02:38:19.000To neutralize their power, you've got to expose the whole system.
02:38:31.000Bob, how important is the false left-right system in keeping the population corralled to the point that they never find any real solutions?
02:38:40.000Well, it's called misdirection, and it's just circular in motion.
02:38:44.000And they just keep people confused all the time.
02:38:48.000And that's why a video like yours is so important.
02:38:50.000Particularly for the people who understand.
02:38:52.000They can pass that on to other people so that the truth can get out.
02:39:45.000Joe, your point about how we were talking to Kevin earlier, and he just, not the last Kevin, but the Kevin before last, saying, you know, I'm for gun control, but I know there's this elite and all this.
02:39:58.000Well, you know, I think they make a lot of ground, and I think, like their protest in Seattle and that, a lot of good, really true conservative people joined in that.
02:40:08.000And you're exploited when you do that.
02:40:10.000You have no common ground with these kind of people.
02:40:12.000You have none with the Bushites, and you have none with the leftist Kevins.
02:40:17.000And they'll make you think that they do, but when you join them, if you march with them or protest with them, you're being exploited.
02:40:25.000And their ultimate agenda is to destroy your rights.
02:40:29.000If you want to march, if you want to protest, you must do it yourself or put your own truly conservative, honest group together and do it.
02:40:38.000But never, never, never align yourself with those kind of people.
02:40:53.000But I just feel bad to see what's going on today, that there are a lot of people who really don't like Bush and they're being exploited by the left now.
02:41:03.000And I think that's what Kevin's call is all about.
02:42:56.000So basically, That's what you've got to do, is you've got to focus on the fact that the Social Security number is a voluntary program, that all these children have been issued the number from birth, which is against the basic common sense.
02:43:12.000Well, it is their slave identification number, and they said that, oh, it's just for the program, and there's a law they're not supposed to use it as a personal ID, but then they'll demand it from you.
02:43:57.000On this radio show, they were discussing how many cameras are going to come into Baltimore, and it actually wanted callers to call in and pick good areas for cameras where they think the highest crime is.
02:44:08.000And that's the Delphi method to make people feel like they're part of the power process.
02:44:12.000This is WBAL, and that's why I figured you were calling about this.
02:46:31.000Real quick, I was going to ask your guest, what is his analysis on the mood of the military?
02:46:37.000You know, some people say, yeah, the military is getting upset, and they're going to maybe do a coup, and others say, no, that could never happen.
02:46:44.000I'd like to hear what Robert thinks of the status of the military.
02:46:48.000Well, I think Don Grande covered that fully here on this program some time ago.
02:47:19.000I appreciate it, but also it could be the higher-up globalists using that as a way to bring in the military dictatorship.
02:47:27.000Again, you won't know until it happens, and you're going to have to guess.
02:47:31.000But bottom line, it's all very dangerous, folks.
02:47:34.000Alright, thank you for the call from Hawaii.
02:47:38.000Bob Chapman, we've got a few minutes left here.
02:47:41.000I've got some news I wanted to go over with you, but The troops have died by the thousands now, 900 in Iraq, more than that in Afghanistan.
02:47:49.000They're trying to cover up those numbers, but those are now out there.
02:47:53.000The neocons say they're going to hit 60 plus other countries.
02:47:56.000Is that program stalled, or will they just carry out another terror attack to get the people behind these invasions of other nations?
02:48:04.000Well, I think on the figures, they're not counting the mercenaries, and they've lost as many people as the military has, so you can double those figures.
02:48:15.000As far as the program and whether they're going to continue this perpetual war for perpetual peace thing, it all depends on how things come down with Bush and the investigation and the evolution of whether they attempt to impeach him or not.
02:48:51.000We have six months here, or five months actually, of confusion, even for those of us who are in the intelligence business.
02:49:02.000Boy, I tell ya, it is an interesting time to be alive, as the Chinese say.
02:49:07.000A blessing and a curse at the same time, but doing radio interviews, talking to people on your website, traveling around the globe.
02:49:15.000Bob, are you seeing the same huge awakening that I'm witnessing?
02:49:21.000Yes, I am, and I'm seeing it coming more from the left than anything else.
02:49:27.000In fact, almost half of the inquiries that I get are from people who identify themselves as liberals or people who are left of center politically.
02:49:37.000And I think that's really good, like the gentleman from Boston said, you know, don't steer them away, let them learn and understand and come in our direction.
02:49:51.000I'm not going to be co-opted, and I'm not trying to co-opt them, but I want them to wake up and stop being so naive and realize that their whole leftist worldview was created by the same people that run Bush.
02:50:01.000And they better... And I'm trying to get into their head.
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02:54:19.000And if you have a big government that violates your rights, no matter who's in office, you're going to have despotism, tyranny, serfdom, enslavement.
02:54:30.000And I'm very suspicious about any discussion of military coups.
02:54:35.000The military's all a bunch of CFR at the top.
02:54:37.000A lot of well-meaning people throughout the main body, though.
02:54:41.000And I see this coming from so many different quarters.
02:54:44.000If the globalists do pull something like that, it's just to put in a UN government.
02:54:51.000Bush is a puppet, Cheney is a puppet, they're all puppets of the larger financial interests.
02:54:55.000They would love, though, to burn them politically and say, oh, they did all this.
02:55:05.000And suddenly you'll see the so-called left, the leaders of it, shift and go, oh yeah, the new ruler's good, secret arrest is good, and it's of the evil right-wingers.
02:55:15.000So, I mean, I don't think the globalists know exactly what they're going to do right now, because a lot of things haven't gone according to plan, and there is an awakening taking place, and they know that's happening.
02:55:26.000So they have to question the quandary.
02:55:30.000As you say, the Hobson's Choice, you know, should they go ahead with more terror attacks to scare us into submission?
02:56:15.000And look at how they're being dismantled.
02:56:17.000And tell the government, we're not your property.
02:56:19.000We're not going to go along with your unjust laws.
02:56:21.000We're not going to sanction your criminality.
02:56:23.000How dare Bush's people come out and say, he's allowed to torture, he's above the law.
02:56:29.000Then I look at this article out of MSNBC like it's a good thing that country radio stations won't play all these big artists if they're anti-war or even slightly asking questions.
02:56:41.000We're talking about Willie Nelson, which they still air, Toby Keith, you know, and Darryl Worley and people like that, Charlie Daniels, all love the war.
02:57:39.000They've caught the EU cheating in elections over in the Euro.
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02:57:51.000Voters shift in favor of Kerry, thinking the false choice will save them.
02:57:55.000Meanwhile, CNN reports cigars cost men three years in prison trying to smuggle in Cuban cigars.
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