Alex Jones Show - June 22, 2004


20040622_Tue_Alex


Episode Stats

Length

2 hours and 59 minutes

Words per Minute

170.81938

Word Count

30,645

Sentence Count

2,188

Misogynist Sentences

19

Hate Speech Sentences

40


Summary

Alex Jones exposes the truth about Big Brother, Big Government, Big Money, Big Lies, and Big Lies. Big Brother has been around for a long time and is here to protect us from the truth. Big Government is spying on us everywhere.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.
00:00:06.000 Mainstream media.
00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.
00:00:10.000 You want answers?
00:00:11.000 Well, so does he.
00:00:12.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:22.000 Well, I am completely, totally, massively...
00:00:35.000 Energized!
00:00:39.000 Years ago, I would watch a couple hours of television every night, news channels, C-SPAN, just to monitor what the globalists were up to.
00:00:50.000 But the propaganda got so bad and so disgusting, and I got so tired of watching the killers stand up there and pose as our saviors, that for my own sanity, I stopped watching television almost entirely.
00:01:02.000 Other than maybe buying a DVD and watching a movie.
00:01:06.000 Or going out to the movies.
00:01:10.000 So, I mean, I might watch like an hour of television a week.
00:01:14.000 But the last few days, I've been watching the nightly news.
00:01:20.000 And, I mean, every time I do it, it's just incredible.
00:01:23.000 It's how Big Brother is saving us.
00:01:27.000 Wonderful our SWAT teams are, how cameras are going to keep us safe, how world government's good.
00:01:33.000 I mean the local newscasts are more horrible than the national newscast.
00:01:41.000 And last night they had a local newscast and hence I found a national newscast.
00:01:44.000 They want to put metal detectors, face scanners in all the malls.
00:01:51.000 And I had remembered how Governor Riz, even before Homeland Security got funding, I typed a two-hour meeting he had on C-SPAN with all these CEOs in a congressional office building.
00:02:02.000 And he said, to have a job, you'll have a national ID card, and we'll track and trace everything, and you'll have different levels of security clearance to even have most jobs.
00:02:12.000 If you have bad credit, you won't be able to have a job in food service or agriculture or anything, because you might be a terrorist.
00:02:18.000 Having bad credit is a mark of terrorism.
00:02:20.000 You've all heard it now in CAPS II with the airports.
00:02:23.000 And he went on to say that we're going to then have the bag screeners and people searching you for getting in buses, or getting on trains, or then to cross bridges, we'll have toll roads to pay for the security, and it'll be in the malls, and it'll be everywhere!
00:02:41.000 And then now in the last two weeks we've heard, oh there's going to be, you know, feds on the buses, feds at the bus terminals, feds at the train stations, feds on the trains, And then last night, there I am watching local news, and they say, yeah, Homeland Security's telling the malls they want them to put in, you know, face scanning cameras, metal detectors, you'll be searched to go in the mall.
00:03:05.000 Because, you know, they foiled some low-grade moron who supposedly told an FBI agent who provocateured him, yeah, we might want to blow the mall up.
00:03:16.000 So, now you're going to have to be searched to get in the mall, not just the sports stadium.
00:03:20.000 I mean, it's going to be everything.
00:03:22.000 Everything.
00:03:23.000 But they said, don't worry, this is going to be non-invasive.
00:03:25.000 It's going to be like, you know, Total Recall, where you just walk through the scanner and it scans down through your clothes, through your naked body, and there'll be a technician there watching to see if you've got anything suspicious.
00:03:41.000 And Schumer, of course, also yesterday proposed, and the government's worshipping it, To screen all children at birth with child protective services.
00:03:50.000 You know, just to decide whether you can keep your children or not.
00:03:54.000 It already happens if you have any misdemeanors in your background.
00:03:57.000 When they enter your name and social security number at the hospital when you have a child, then you get a visit.
00:04:01.000 But now it's going to be everybody.
00:04:02.000 And of course, Bush has this new program that's been going on in Texas that we told you about over the last few years.
00:04:08.000 And that's New Freedom.
00:04:10.000 Yes, New Freedom.
00:04:11.000 That's where they screen all the elementary and junior high students.
00:04:17.000 Most parents aren't even aware of this.
00:04:18.000 They sit you up in front of a computer and ask you hundreds of questions.
00:04:22.000 By the way, a precursor of this, I had this when I was in high school.
00:04:25.000 Everybody got it at Anderson High.
00:04:30.000 And what, that was about 13 years ago?
00:04:34.000 Yeah, I'm pretty young.
00:04:35.000 13 years ago, graduating from high school, I had to do it.
00:04:39.000 Parents are never told.
00:04:42.000 They didn't find me to be mentally ill, though, so I didn't have to go on Prozac or Ritalin.
00:04:47.000 But now it's going to be nationwide, all part of the new Soviet... I mean, American Freedom.
00:04:52.000 So, we'll get into this and just so much more.
00:04:54.000 I mean, it's an oath for Massive Broadcast.
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00:04:56.000 And some guests coming up as well.
00:04:58.000 Stay with us.
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00:08:04.000 alex jones on the gcn radio network coming up in about twenty minutes
00:08:15.000 dot com suggest about freedom
00:08:18.000 not against freedom are you initiative they've already had here in texas and ordered as
00:08:26.000 a similar program where they screen everyone in the public uh... training
00:08:29.000 centers the brainwashing camps
00:08:32.000 for a signs of mental illness and i preemptively order the parents to put
00:08:36.000 the children on real and prosaic you
00:08:39.000 It's new freedom, my friends.
00:08:41.000 You know, it's... Freedom is slavery, and war is peace, and ignorance is strength.
00:08:48.000 That's coming up, and then there's an article out of Florida where a cartoonist for the newspaper does cartoons, and then the FBI dropped by and said, your cartoons are lying about Bush.
00:08:59.000 Better watch it.
00:09:01.000 And this is in the Associated Press.
00:09:03.000 It's all part of the new freedom.
00:09:07.000 Also, there's a new teddy bear out that says Bush kills Arab babies, and the FBI's been having to visit them, you know, criticizing the Lord.
00:09:17.000 Is not accepted.
00:09:18.000 I mean, Bush has said in his own memos, they're above the law.
00:09:22.000 And Bush has said that everybody at Guantanamo are, quote, killers.
00:09:25.000 They don't deserve trials.
00:09:26.000 Because he says they're all guilty.
00:09:29.000 That sounds like freedom, too.
00:09:31.000 I mean, that's what Saddam did.
00:09:32.000 He would just claim people were evil and then have them interned and tortured.
00:09:37.000 So, I mean, if Saddam does it, it must be good for our President to do it.
00:09:40.000 I mean, he was the Supreme Leader of Iraq.
00:09:44.000 Bush, Gitmo Bay captives are killers.
00:09:47.000 President Bush said Monday that the captives held by the United States and Cuba are killers and terrorists and not prisoners of war.
00:09:54.000 Isn't that nice?
00:09:56.000 Bush said he was trying to decide whether the Geneva Convention, the international rules governing the treatment of POWs, cover the suspected terrorist.
00:10:03.000 He heard arguments from the National Security Council on Monday, but made no determination and offered no timetables.
00:10:11.000 Yeah, his appointed National Security Council.
00:10:13.000 It's like, let's see what my 9-11 Commission says that I appointed.
00:10:16.000 Oh, they say I did nothing wrong.
00:10:17.000 Well, there you go.
00:10:18.000 I listened to all the legalisms and announced my decision when I make it, he told reporters in the Rose Garden.
00:10:28.000 And it says he was with the Afghan interim leader, Hamid Karzai, the UNICOL executive.
00:10:36.000 So, isn't that just precious?
00:10:41.000 But, I mean, he is the law.
00:10:43.000 Judge Dredd.
00:10:44.000 Judge, jury, and executioner.
00:10:46.000 I mean, he is, he's the supreme leader.
00:10:50.000 He's, they say, he's, his own White House says that he's above federal law.
00:10:56.000 And they've always had these executive orders.
00:10:58.000 But, I mean, they've never really tried to go out publicly and say that they're absolute rulers.
00:11:04.000 By the way, that's the very definition of dictatorship, when the leader is the supreme leader, and can do nothing wrong, and is above all laws.
00:11:11.000 He is the law!
00:11:13.000 I am the law!
00:11:14.000 I am the law!
00:11:16.000 I am God!
00:11:17.000 Look at me!
00:11:19.000 Ha ha ha!
00:11:19.000 I'll keep you safe from the terrorists!
00:11:21.000 Never mind, they're all my business partners, and I protect them.
00:11:24.000 Ha ha ha!
00:11:25.000 I mean, come on, and we've got O'Reilly, the ultra-liberal, up there on his show, Calling Iraqis primitives and saying we should just bomb the whole country, pull out and just bomb them, that 98% of them deserve to die.
00:11:43.000 I mean, I've got the quotes right here on national TV!
00:11:46.000 You know, the same show that's been out promoting torture.
00:11:52.000 I mean, we've become a really sick society.
00:11:54.000 Well, that is, the people they put out there are sick, trying to get us, as little social animals, to accept it as normal, because the big shots say it.
00:12:02.000 Well, if the guy in the, you know, $2,000 suit with the $200 tie, O'Reilly says it, looking at the teleprompter, why, it must be okay, does the power hand gestures.
00:12:17.000 Maybe torture's good.
00:12:18.000 No, if you have a moral compass, you can't be swayed that torture's wrong.
00:12:23.000 Or you've got to accept the fact that maybe Joseph Mingula wasn't so bad after all.
00:12:27.000 I happen to think he was evil, but again, maybe you disagree now.
00:12:31.000 Or maybe you have double-think in your mind.
00:12:32.000 It's bad when Joseph Mingula tortures people, but then trains our own government how to do it, by the way, but we won't talk about that, do you?
00:12:38.000 But it's okay when our government does it.
00:12:41.000 So Bush, they're killers, and they don't deserve trials, nothing, because they're killers, because I say so, he says.
00:12:48.000 But you did fly out their leaders, didn't you?
00:12:50.000 And by the way, in Reichstag, Bush likens terrorists to Nazis.
00:12:55.000 Funny, Hitler blew up the Reichstag, firebombed it to get martial law, fatherland security in Iraq, and I mean in Germany, and I've got an article here about martial law in Iraq, excuse me.
00:13:05.000 And now Bush is there likening Hitler to the terrorists.
00:13:09.000 Which I have to agree with.
00:13:10.000 I mean, your grandfather was business partners with him.
00:13:12.000 Most Nazi money went through his hands even after the war.
00:13:16.000 I would agree.
00:13:16.000 I mean, it's a good likeness.
00:13:18.000 The terrorists attack us to get our freedom.
00:13:20.000 The Nazis attack to get the Germans freedom to scare them into submission.
00:13:23.000 You attack to scare us into submission, Bush.
00:13:26.000 Berlin.
00:13:27.000 President George W. Bush stood in the well of Germany's reconstructed Reichstag and called the terrorist groups the United States and its allies are hunting down the new totalitarian threat.
00:13:39.000 And in a clear reference to Hitler, compared them to others who killed in the name of racial purity.
00:13:46.000 Racial purity?
00:13:47.000 The terrorists aren't... I mean, even if it was radical Muslims doing all this, which it isn't, they're not into racial purity.
00:13:54.000 Your grandfather was, though.
00:13:57.000 Bush's speech under this spectacular glass dome of the Bundestag in the symbol of a unified Germany sought to reassure a skeptical audience about his intentions as he pursues his next steps against terrorism.
00:14:11.000 During a news conference, he promised to consult with Germany and other allies before taking action against Iraq.
00:14:17.000 He said, we've got to deal with it.
00:14:20.000 And it was a news conference outdoors, out front of the government building, just a kilometer from the site of a cemetery where 60 years ago the city's Jews were collected for transport to gas chambers.
00:14:30.000 What, to Gitmo?
00:14:32.000 The President's remarks...
00:14:34.000 And the Führer said that they were enemies of the state.
00:14:36.000 He was the Supreme Führer.
00:14:37.000 He could do what he wanted to.
00:14:38.000 The President's remarks, the first by any President in the Reichstag building, seemed well-received, although his appearance was punctuated at one point by a demonstration of four members of the former East German Communist Party, see, the left always staging it, so Bush must be conservative, who unveiled a banner that said, Stop Your Wars, and then marched out.
00:15:00.000 Oh boy, that's very interesting.
00:15:04.000 By the way, I mean just sealing the facts that Ralph Nader is not very good, folks.
00:15:09.000 By the way, he just had selected his new VP running mate, just a side issue of elections, the former head of the Socialist Workers Party.
00:15:20.000 Just a side issue on Ralph Nader.
00:15:24.000 A lot of interesting things happening right now.
00:15:26.000 Cheney needs to step aside for the good of Bush and party.
00:15:31.000 James Gannon, former Wall Street Journal writer and now the editor of the Des Moines Register.
00:15:39.000 He goes through how he worships Cheney, how good Cheney is, but because of all the corruption charges, which none of which are true of course, he needs to step down for McCain.
00:15:52.000 McCain!
00:15:55.000 The Manchurian candidate.
00:15:56.000 You know, we've had his Former people who were in prison with him on the air, how day one he turned against them, was a little rat servant, but we get to hear how good he was.
00:16:05.000 Of course, he's a gun-grabbing, open-border-promoting, New World Order minion, but hey, that's how the neocons love him!
00:16:13.000 And they're saying, step aside, Lord Cheney, for Lord McCain.
00:16:18.000 Very serious when USA Today has an editorial saying, step down, Cheney.
00:16:27.000 Oh my goodness.
00:16:29.000 You know, just some positive news, some interesting news.
00:16:33.000 Plus, it looked like a Buck Rogers rocket, didn't it?
00:16:36.000 I should have talked about it yesterday.
00:16:37.000 You know, the government says they don't have any space planes that can fly out of the atmosphere, though it's 40-year-old technology.
00:16:47.000 The Germans had designs for the Space Shuttle.
00:16:49.000 Did you know that?
00:16:50.000 Werner Von Braun in the 30s was drawing up diagrams of the Space Shuttle.
00:16:55.000 They tell us that's our most cutting-edge thing in 2004, but it's well known the government with its black budget funding has fleets of Black Manta and Auroras, which are large, militarized aircraft with particle beams and hydrogen bombs soaring about in space.
00:17:16.000 But now this little private company shows that with their little rocket plane, A plane soars out of Earth's atmosphere, Associated Press, an ungainly, gangly looking rocket plane punched through the Earth's atmosphere and then glided home to a desert landing Monday in history's first privately financed manned spacecraft.
00:17:41.000 A voyage that could hasten the day when the final frontier is opened up to paying customers.
00:17:50.000 This is the pilot, Mike Melville, took SpaceShipOne at 62.2 miles above Earth, just a little more than 400 feet above the distance considered to be the boundary of space.
00:18:02.000 He was, uh, he was totally, uh...
00:18:06.000 You know, zero G's there, or no gravity, or little gravity.
00:18:11.000 The flight lasted just 90 minutes.
00:18:12.000 The spaceship, with its flat fuselage and spindly white wings, was carried aloft under the belly of a carrier jet.
00:18:19.000 The jet then released the spaceship, and its rocket engine ignited, sending it hurtling towards space at nearly three times the speed of sound.
00:18:27.000 It left a vertical white vapor trail in the brilliant blue sky.
00:18:31.000 SpaceShipOne touched down in the Mojave Desert at 8.15am to cheers and applause.
00:18:37.000 Melville63 said seeing the curvature of the Earth was almost a religious experience.
00:18:43.000 It was really an awesome sight, he said.
00:18:45.000 I'd say it's a religious experience, seeing God's creation.
00:18:48.000 It was like nothing I'd ever seen before and it blew me away.
00:18:53.000 and i don't like austin million
00:18:57.000 dollars or or if you want to know your dollar award for the first
00:19:01.000 probably finance three sheet space craft
00:19:04.000 regional to the sixty two miles and repeat the feet within two weeks
00:19:10.000 three seat our requirement demonstrates the capacity for pay customers
00:19:14.000 the quick turnaround between flights demonstrates uh... reasonability and reliability
00:19:20.000 and uh... may have spent uh... a lot of money on it The SpaceshipOne project was funded by Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen, who said the project cost just a little more than $20 million.
00:19:31.000 So there's some positive news.
00:19:37.000 Man, this government's got spacecraft.
00:19:40.000 I mean, even Jane's Weapons Publications has got a lot of info on it.
00:19:44.000 I mean, they've got spacecraft that are just incredible.
00:19:46.000 I wish we could see them.
00:19:48.000 I wish they'd bring them out in public.
00:19:49.000 We can't do that!
00:19:51.000 No, we've got to be in this 30-year suppressed technological level that we're going to basically stay in except for new surveillance systems.
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00:24:17.000 hooking electrodes up to all the children's heads, run and paid for by the drug companies
00:24:21.000 in the schools, who then order your parents to put you on drugs.
00:24:25.000 Again, it's new freedom.
00:24:27.000 It's all part of the new freedom.
00:24:28.000 But going on here in Texas, since I was a senior in high school 13, 14 years ago, And, uh, they had a different name then, and it's going on in a lot of other states under other names, and again, it's new freedom.
00:24:41.000 If you're against it, you're not for freedom.
00:24:44.000 Bush to screen population for mental illness.
00:24:47.000 President Bush plans to unveil next month a sweeping mental health initiative that recommends screening for every citizen, not just children, and promotes the use of expensive antidepressants and anti-psychotic drugs favored by supporters of the administration.
00:25:01.000 The New Freedom Initiative, according to a progress report, seeks to integrate mentally ill patients fully into the community by providing services in the community rather than institutions.
00:25:13.000 The British Medical Journal reported.
00:25:15.000 So see, the whole system's geared.
00:25:17.000 But then you read deeper into it.
00:25:18.000 It's to find out who might be mentally ill and pretreat you.
00:25:22.000 Critics say the plan protects the profits of drug companies at the expense of the public.
00:25:25.000 The initiative began with the Bush's launch in April 2002 of the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, which conducted a comprehensive study of the United States mental health service delivery system.
00:25:35.000 The panel found that despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed, and recommended comprehensive mental health screening for consumers of all ages, including preschool children.
00:25:49.000 Yes, preschool.
00:25:52.000 The commission said each year young children are expelled from preschools and child care facilities for severely disruptive behaviors.
00:25:58.000 Jumping around and not being disciplined is a mental problem.
00:26:02.000 And they went on to recommend not just psychotropics or amphetamine type drugs, but anti-psychotics for children as young as 12 months.
00:26:11.000 Over about three years ago, the governor of Oregon said that they need to start drugging children at birth and pre-screening mothers who have environmental statistics that would show they might have a mentally ill child.
00:26:24.000 It says schools, the panel concluded, are the key position to screen the 52 million students and 6 million adults who work at the schools.
00:26:32.000 So see, it's not just the criminal justice system you've got to try to stay out of now with all the new crimes, but you've got to go to the thought police for your safety and be investigated.
00:26:41.000 The commission recommended that the screening be linked with treatment and support, which is a militarized arm, including state-of-the-art treatments using specific medications for specific conditions.
00:26:52.000 They have all these dozens of new mental illnesses.
00:26:55.000 The Texas Medication Algorithm Project, or TMAP, was held up by the panel as a model of medication treatment plan that illustrates an evidence-based practice that results in better consumer outcomes.
00:27:09.000 Again, everyone at Anderson High, I guess it was 13 years ago when I was a senior, was shut down for a couple of hours for a week.
00:27:18.000 Let me see, 7 times 2 is 14 hours.
00:27:21.000 Electrodes hooked to the head, watching computer screens, sounds like freedom.
00:27:25.000 And I was found to be okay, but it was kind of a Goals 2000 system as well.
00:27:28.000 They told me what I should be.
00:27:32.000 They told me I should be a school teacher.
00:27:34.000 How surprising, adding to their ranks.
00:27:36.000 The TMAP started in 95 as an alliance of individuals from the pharmacological industry at the University of Texas in the Mental Health and Correction System of Texas.
00:27:49.000 Well, that can't be, because they were doing it years before that to me, folks, and again, right here in Austin.
00:27:53.000 I must have been one of the pilot schools, you know?
00:27:57.000 Also was praised by the American Psychiatric Association, the same people that have come out and said pedophilia isn't bad, who called for increased funding to implement the overall plan.
00:28:10.000 But the Texas Project sparked controversy when a Pennsylvania government employee revealed state officials with influence over the plan had received money and perks from drug companies who stand to gain from it.
00:28:20.000 Well, they run the program.
00:28:22.000 The drug company doctor there, scanning your brain!
00:28:26.000 Alan Jones, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector General, says in his whistleblower report, the potential pharmacological alliance The political-pharmacological alliance that developed the Texas Project, which promotes the use of newer, more expensive antidepressants and anti-psychotic drugs, was behind the recommendation of the new Freedom Commission, which were poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness with expensive, patented medications of questionable benefit and deadly side effects.
00:28:56.000 And to force private insurers to pick up more of the tab.
00:28:59.000 Well, I mean, if parents know now that Many of the injections your children are given have 250 times safe levels of mercury.
00:29:06.000 I mean, you'll give them deadly antipsychotics that cause death in many cases, a massive increase in suicide, heart expansion, brain shrinkage, retardation of growth and mental aptitude.
00:29:19.000 So what?
00:29:20.000 I mean, you know, it's freedom!
00:29:23.000 It's new freedom!
00:29:25.000 You're not against new freedom, are you?
00:29:27.000 It's not the Patriot Act!
00:29:29.000 It's a patriot!
00:29:30.000 You're not against patriots, are you?
00:29:33.000 You're not against torture!
00:29:35.000 It's a loving thing we do!
00:29:36.000 You're not against war!
00:29:37.000 It brings us peace!
00:29:39.000 You're not... Don't be smart!
00:29:41.000 That's al-Qaeda-ish!
00:29:42.000 Ignorance is strength!
00:29:45.000 We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.
00:29:47.000 Hope you enjoy yourselves.
00:29:51.000 We're on the march.
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00:33:03.000 welcome back folks thirty three minutes and twenty seconds into this first hour
00:33:19.000 At the gates of...
00:33:20.000 We've got Jim Godstein, Vice President and CEO of the LAWB Project for Psychiatric Rights joining us.
00:33:27.000 Coming up in the next hour, we're going to have Dr. Grace Johnson Coming on to talk about, well, this Brave New World situation.
00:33:35.000 And again, we've aired the last speech that Aldous Huxley ever gave at Berkeley in 1962, the author of Brave New World from 1933, saying that the book was about the plans government had then for forced drugging and mind control.
00:33:53.000 And again, he was in government, his brother was in government, the first head of UNESCO in the late 1940s.
00:33:59.000 I mean, this is the plan.
00:34:01.000 This is control.
00:34:02.000 It's not just that these companies want to sell drugs to us and force us to take them, but they're also owned by the military-industrial complex.
00:34:10.000 And now I can sit here and read this Associated Press article where they're going to force basically everybody on this stuff.
00:34:16.000 Already one in ten people in England are on these drugs.
00:34:20.000 And the numbers are racing towards that point here in the United States.
00:34:25.000 Federal courts are ruling that you have to take this stuff.
00:34:30.000 One doctor is in this article talking about, again, deadly side effects.
00:34:35.000 And they're not just talking about Ritalin and Prozac now.
00:34:38.000 That increases suicide and causes heart attacks and all the stuff that we've gone over here, the horrible things.
00:34:44.000 Now it's these new anti-psychotics.
00:34:47.000 I remember the governor of Oregon, three years ago, who was a psychiatrist himself saying, we need to look at the population and one in seven women is going to have a mentally ill child.
00:34:58.000 By environmental points and by being poor, we can look at who's at risk and start drugging one-year-olds.
00:35:06.000 I mean, I remember reading the governor's press release.
00:35:09.000 I thought I had fallen into some type of time warp and was in Brave New World or something.
00:35:14.000 But again, this says it started in Texas in 95.
00:35:18.000 Well, that's not true, folks, because I was graduating from high school 13 years ago, and they hooked the whole school up, all the seniors, for several hours a day for an entire week, with electrodes on our heads, watching a computer, being asked questions, and I was put through this, and my parents weren't asked!
00:35:36.000 I never even told them about it!
00:35:38.000 What's going on now in 2004, ladies and gentlemen?
00:35:42.000 What's going on now?
00:35:44.000 So we're about to go to Jim Godstein here in just a second.
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00:37:57.000 vice president ceo of the law project psychiatric rights uh... to talk about this chilling this frightening
00:38:04.000 development to test all men women and children
00:38:06.000 Forcing it on the children first.
00:38:08.000 This is all part of the drug testing all the children.
00:38:11.000 This is the Orwellian slash Brave New World Huxleyan system.
00:38:17.000 Jim, good to have you on with us.
00:38:18.000 Thank you for having me.
00:38:19.000 It's a pleasure.
00:38:20.000 Just in a nutshell, tell us a little bit about yourself, your organization, websites, and then launch into your expert opinion on the situation with this drug company takeover of the schools.
00:38:31.000 Well, I'm an attorney, and the Law Project for Psych Rights, or psychrights.org, is a public interest law firm dedicated to attacking, through the legal system, unwarranted, court-ordered psychiatric drugging.
00:38:48.000 We have a situation here where literally tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people, are forced to take These drugs, and it's not these antidepressants, it's the anti-psychotics that you mentioned before that are very, very debilitating, have very, very dangerous side effects, and reduce lifespan significantly.
00:39:11.000 Well, did you hear when the governor three years ago in Oregon, a psychiatrist himself, said that one in seven newborns need to be put on these?
00:39:19.000 Well, you know, I think people have I've kind of lost sight of how ridiculous some of this stuff is.
00:39:27.000 I mean, how is it possible that 15% of the country are mentally ill?
00:39:40.000 There's been this supposed epidemic of mental illness, and it just makes absolutely no sense.
00:39:46.000 And when you look into it, you see that it's It's really a pharmaceutical drug industry marketing effort, really.
00:39:58.000 That's one layer of the onion, sir.
00:40:01.000 Would you not agree that the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, the Nazis were really the first to do this, arresting hundreds of thousands.
00:40:08.000 If you don't like Hitler, you're mentally ill, we're going to drug you and put you in solitary confinement.
00:40:14.000 Well, a lot of people find it hard to believe that things are happening the way that they are in this country.
00:40:23.000 I don't know about that, but I think it's very clear that our society as a whole has Really gotten to the point where there's a very narrow range of acceptable behavior, and even beliefs to a certain extent.
00:40:41.000 And if you don't fit with that, then people, you know, want to say that you're mentally ill, and they don't like what you're doing, and get you locked up and drugged.
00:40:52.000 Give us your organization's website, sir.
00:40:55.000 It's psychrights.org, P-S-Y-C-H, R-I-G-H-T-S dot org.
00:41:02.000 We've got a link to that on InfoWars dot com as well.
00:41:06.000 Now, for those that don't know, I have a lot of friends, it's in the newspaper all the time, I talk to neighbors, I mean, their child acts up a little bit, so they demand, the school demands, no doctor, that you put your child on a Ritalin and say, here's the school's doctor, go to him.
00:41:21.000 And then they do this, and it causes heart palpitations, the heart enlarges, the brain shrinks.
00:41:25.000 I mean, these are admitted.
00:41:27.000 Prozac is now admitted, as well as some other drugs to increase suicide risk.
00:41:31.000 I mean, this is all out there.
00:41:32.000 Now they want even more deadly drugs to be pushed.
00:41:36.000 And, uh, I mean, I just... Please get into this new program, this new freedom.
00:41:43.000 Talk about Orwellian terms.
00:41:45.000 And then I just wanted to add that, you know, they say it comes out of Austin, Texas.
00:41:48.000 This was... I... The entire school went through this when I was a senior in high school, sir.
00:41:53.000 This has been going on for decades.
00:41:55.000 Well, you have a couple of questions there.
00:41:57.000 One with respect to these anti-depressants like Prozac, Paxil, etc.
00:42:03.000 They not only cause the things that you mentioned, but they actually cause psychosis.
00:42:09.000 They cause people to lose contact with reality.
00:42:14.000 It's a well-known effect.
00:42:17.000 And so rather than help a lot of people, some people they actually make worse and then they get into the A mental health system and they get increasingly severe treatments with the heavier drugs and even electroshock sometimes.
00:42:33.000 Did you ever read Philip K. Dick's book, A Scanner Darkly?
00:42:36.000 No.
00:42:37.000 It's being made into a film right now, but in A Scanner Darkly, there's a group in the government that puts out this drug that ruins your mind and they get you and put you in their slave camp.
00:42:48.000 I mean, that's a good analogy of this.
00:42:53.000 I'll take a look at that.
00:42:54.000 There's a book called Mad in America, Bad Science, Bad Medicine, and the Enduring Mistreatment of the Mentally Ill by Robert Whitaker, who was the science medicine writer for the Boston Globe when he wrote it, which is really an astoundingly good book about how we treat people that are diagnosed with mental illness.
00:43:14.000 Now, back to what's called the T-MAP program that started out in Texas and then, which Alan Jones Uncovered the corruption in Pennsylvania.
00:43:23.000 What that is about is it's supposedly this set of questions and answers that basically is supposed to regularize or make predictable what kind of drugs are to be prescribed.
00:43:41.000 And what it really does is drive the decisions to what are called the atypicals or the newer neuroleptics.
00:43:48.000 Which just so happens to still have patent protection and therefore the drug companies can charge a lot more money for them.
00:43:56.000 Now let me just add a point to this new Freedom Project that is new tyranny, a new mind control project is what I would bill it as.
00:44:05.000 We have to understand that, you know, it's a big deal to have a judge say, because, you know, your wife wants your money or your husband wants your money and they want to claim you're mentally ill, so they go to their judge who they're dating and, you know, say, uh, say, you know, put my husband in our psychiatric facility, you know, to, to, to, to screen him to see if he's mentally ill.
00:44:27.000 You know, that takes a court order.
00:44:28.000 That's a big deal.
00:44:29.000 This is a system to make all adults And starting where they talk about having a captive audience, they actually say that, in the public schools, to make you go through a system, whereas if it was a criminal investigation or a psychiatric investigation, you'd have to have a court order or something, this is actually a screening project, and the parents aren't even going to be asked, they're just going to make this part of the education.
00:44:50.000 Again, it's like some horrible science fiction movie.
00:44:55.000 Well, the new Freedom Commission, I agree it's an interesting name, kind of Orwellian, is somewhat of a mixed bag.
00:45:04.000 There was actually a recommendation that the long-term effects of these drugs really need to be studied because none of these drugs have really been... Well, let me put it this way.
00:45:16.000 Approval of these drugs is based on basically six Six-week trials, and these trials are rigged, I think is a fair way to say it.
00:45:30.000 Well, the drug companies run their own trials.
00:45:34.000 That's right.
00:45:35.000 And see, the great thing about what's coming out about these, what's called the SSRIs, Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, which are these antidepressants that have been coming out, the Paxil and Prozac and all that.
00:45:49.000 Is that they've really started to look into how the drug companies rig them.
00:45:56.000 And one of the things that they do is they hide the studies that turn out badly.
00:46:00.000 And the other thing that they do is that they really cook the numbers.
00:46:05.000 For example, if someone... These studies basically compare the drugs to someone with what's called a placebo, which is basically a sugar pill or an inert pill.
00:46:18.000 And so what they do in this case is what they call wash out people that respond to placebo.
00:46:26.000 So the ones that really do well on the placebo, they take out From the test.
00:46:34.000 And those studies, I've read those studies on air, those actually show that statistically, sugar pill works better than Prozac.
00:46:40.000 And I would go back to back up what you said earlier, in the 82, 83 trials of Prozac showed a huge increase in suicide and that was covered up.
00:46:50.000 Right.
00:46:51.000 Well, one of the things that I think people don't really think about in terms of placebo is that actually, placebos can be very powerful medicine.
00:46:59.000 And, of course, they're not dangerous.
00:47:02.000 uh... and if there is a self very famous study i think in the
00:47:07.000 twenties industrial management one with the bike a lure skinner someone
00:47:12.000 they were testing different things on workers on the production line to see
00:47:15.000 what what work and it turns out that everything worked
00:47:19.000 and that i have a choice of thirties testing on workers to make a better worker ants bees
00:47:25.000 in factories and again when it helps me right right new world in the thirties
00:47:29.000 and he said in a speech this is a government plan i've been in the
00:47:32.000 government this is what we plan to do you by two thousand and now it's two
00:47:36.000 thousand four and it's happening and subscribe.
00:47:39.000 Well, you know, there's some other things that That I could mention too.
00:47:46.000 I don't think you've even talked about the implantable year-long drug that I forget which company is working on where they get a court order to implant a time-release capsule in your body to release these neuroleptics over Over the course of a whole year.
00:48:04.000 This is the new freedom.
00:48:07.000 Well, it's not really out of the new freedom.
00:48:09.000 No, no, I always, that's a term I've always used is the new freedom.
00:48:12.000 The new freedom is being a slave and now they call the program new freedom, but I call this whole new world order the new freedom.
00:48:19.000 Yes, I did see that.
00:48:21.000 And now, last week, for depression, we put a port in your neck, hooked into your brain, and we run these wires in, and it's a little system, and there's going to be court orders, because we say you're depressed, to take this brain implant.
00:48:36.000 I'm sure you're aware of that.
00:48:39.000 Right.
00:48:39.000 Did you see that last week?
00:48:40.000 I mean, we're entering hell.
00:48:41.000 Sir, I don't mean to be going, this is driving me crazy.
00:48:45.000 Maybe I need an implant right now because of this.
00:48:47.000 I mean, they're openly... Yeah, tell us about the time-released implants.
00:48:52.000 Well, I think I just did.
00:48:55.000 The drug companies, I forget which one, are testing a delivery device that they can implant in people so that it will Uh, release over, over the course of a year.
00:49:10.000 And the reason for that is they, they call it, um, noncompliance.
00:49:15.000 You know, these drugs are very, very, uh, debilitating.
00:49:18.000 Uh, most people, when they sit, when they see people, uh, they have been diagnosed with serious mental illness, uh, and recognize them, what they're really seeing is the effect of the drugs, you know, the kind of a zombie like state and even literally slobbering.
00:49:35.000 Uh, and drooling, and, uh, you know... And now they're going to give us... Those are the drugs, and so people don't like them.
00:49:41.000 And so, they, they, and they can't get them to take them.
00:49:45.000 Um, and so they say, oh, well, we'll make them take them by putting this, uh, device that, uh, releases it for a year.
00:49:53.000 And by the way, I remember reading that article a few months ago.
00:49:55.000 They said they're going to implant it deeply in the body so you can't even dig it out, folks.
00:49:59.000 I mean, I'm living in a scary science fiction movie.
00:50:04.000 But I'm not eating popcorn, Mr. Godstein.
00:50:07.000 Right.
00:50:08.000 Yeah, no, I know.
00:50:09.000 I mean, this is what, uh, psych rights is trying to fight.
00:50:12.000 And I think it's, it's basically, um, not legal what they're doing.
00:50:18.000 It's unconstitutional what they're doing and their reasons why, uh, the trial courts have, uh, looked away from it.
00:50:25.000 And that's in my view, because They've been told this bill of goods that this is really good for people and it's what people need when in fact it's not.
00:50:36.000 We better start organizing now and educating people now because I mean, take the vaccines.
00:50:43.000 250 times safe level of mercury in the MMR and in the flu shot.
00:50:46.000 They've actually increased it, not taking it out.
00:50:49.000 And if parents will do that when it's known to brain damage children, they're going to do this.
00:50:52.000 I mean, what is wrong with us?
00:50:53.000 Stay there, Jim.
00:50:54.000 I want to get into your website and how to fight this with you when we get back.
00:50:57.000 We're honored to have you.
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00:53:56.000 Uh, folks, Bush Senior is a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great
00:54:03.000 guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy.
00:54:10.000 He's a great guy. He's a great is on the board of Eli Lilly, the manufacturer of one of these antipsychotics, the drugs recommended in the plan, the group that helped fund the setup of this in Texas, now spreading to other states.
00:54:23.000 The Elder Bush, again, was a member of Lilly's Board of Directors, and President Bush appointed Lilly's Chief Executive Officer, Sidney Terrell, to the Homeland Security Council, part of the Homeland Drugginess.
00:54:35.000 And it says of Lilly's 1.6 million in political contributions in 2000, 82% went to Bush and the Republican Party.
00:54:42.000 And again, the Bushes are on the boards of these big private prison industries, where they then pack the private prisons.
00:54:48.000 So if they can't get you in prison, they're going to say you're mentally ill.
00:54:51.000 You understand they're going to implant you?
00:54:53.000 They're gonna put in ports in your neck and put wires into your brain?
00:54:57.000 Folks, you saw it on the news last week.
00:54:59.000 Testing all the children.
00:55:00.000 They're already starting universal drug testing.
00:55:02.000 Getting them used to, you know, doctors seeing your children on a weekly basis.
00:55:06.000 Interviewing them.
00:55:07.000 Police in all the schools now having them write journals about their family life.
00:55:12.000 What's in the medicine cabinet?
00:55:13.000 What do mommy and daddy do?
00:55:14.000 Do they spank you?
00:55:15.000 I mean, this is a kind of a super Nazi Soviet system of control.
00:55:21.000 Getting you into their system, which they then also own.
00:55:25.000 We've got Jim Godstein, Vice President and CEO of the Law Project for Psychiatric Rights, and we're going to be joined by Dr. Grace Jackson coming up, and he's going to be with us as well.
00:55:42.000 Jim, getting more into the connections in government to this, and the big drug companies setting this up and basically running this, I mean, this is so obvious, so transparent, and these drugs are admittedly so deadly, but the general public isn't informed.
00:55:57.000 How do we inform people?
00:55:58.000 How do we warn people?
00:56:00.000 Well, I think that what you're doing is great, and the internet is really a great way to disseminate information.
00:56:08.000 For example, on On the psychrights.org website we have a webpage called Scientific Research by Topic and we actually pull the full articles out and scan them if we have to or download them and stuff under the Fair Use Doctrine of the Copyright Laws and post the whole articles there so that people have access to this information if they know where to go
00:56:40.000 And get it.
00:56:41.000 For example, one of the things that we post are studies that show that most of the relapses, psychotic relapses of people on the drugs when they quit taking the drugs, you hear all the time about how they quit taking their drugs and then they did something terrible.
00:57:00.000 Well, it turns out that that is more often than not Really, the withdrawal from the drug.
00:57:08.000 These drugs cause changes in the brain.
00:57:10.000 Well, every mass shooter we've seen has been on the drugs.
00:57:13.000 On or recently off.
00:57:16.000 It puts them into this mesmerized... I mean, Prozac is listed as in the hallucinogen family.
00:57:22.000 It puts you into this mesmerized dream world.
00:57:27.000 Well, there's no question that it both causes Psychosis, for some people, when they're given it, and it even causes more psychosis for people when they go off of them.
00:57:43.000 And this is true of this category of drugs that you talk about, the antidepressants, and also particularly true of the neuroleptics as well.
00:57:52.000 Well, I know people who go on one of these drugs, they get worse, they're doing crazy things, you know, freaking out, and then they end up on four drugs.
00:58:01.000 And then they end up, people who were just a little depressed, five years later are in a mental institution.
00:58:07.000 That's right.
00:58:08.000 That's exactly right.
00:58:12.000 It's absolutely incredible, Jim.
00:58:15.000 And the mainstream media just seems to love this.
00:58:17.000 I mean, they won't tell people because they're owned by the drug companies.
00:58:20.000 I mean, you know, the mainstream media has a lot of the same people on their boards that are on the drug company boards.
00:58:28.000 Yeah, and I think, you know, at a certain point, you know, I'm still hopeful that at a certain point they'll have to recognize it and some of the stuff that's going on.
00:58:40.000 I think we're seeing it a little bit because... Stay there, we've got a break, sir.
00:58:45.000 What about parents saying, you're not going to test my child, you pieces of film?
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01:00:02.000 you want answers well so does he
01:00:05.000 he's alex jones on the gcn radio network
01:00:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:00:18.000 I'm angry.
01:00:19.000 I'm upset.
01:00:19.000 We should all be scared of what's happening and get involved.
01:00:25.000 Bush wants drug testing of all the children in the schools to get them into the criminal justice system when the government brings in the narcotics to begin with.
01:00:31.000 Then the Very people running the government own the private prisons.
01:00:37.000 For years they have been doing brain testing of all the students in public schools.
01:00:41.000 Now Bush wants it to go nationwide.
01:00:44.000 The governor of Oregon a few years ago, I've talked about this, says that one in seven children needs to be drugged at birth with antipsychotics just because of environmental statistics that they quote might be mentally ill.
01:00:54.000 They're saying 15 percent of the population is mentally ill.
01:00:57.000 They may want to upgrade that to 18 percent.
01:01:00.000 They're saying, I mean, we're all mentally ill people.
01:01:03.000 We all need to be drugged with deadly things that shrink our brains and enlarge our hearts and make us go crazy.
01:01:08.000 I mean, this is sick!
01:01:11.000 This is sick!
01:01:12.000 And I am so angry about new freedom.
01:01:17.000 And in this new freedom document, they say the ideal place is the public schools, because we have a captive audience.
01:01:24.000 I'll go over their own.
01:01:25.000 And the people inside the system are blowing the whistle on this.
01:01:29.000 And we're joined by psychologist Dr. Grace Jackson.
01:01:33.000 We've had Jim Godstein, CEO and Vice President of the Law Project for Psychiatric Rights on the last 30 minutes.
01:01:40.000 And I've been all over the map because, folks, I mean, this is as bad as it gets.
01:01:44.000 This makes the Soviets look friendly.
01:01:47.000 This is so sick.
01:01:50.000 Boy, I tell you, the drug companies running the systems in the school, saying your child's mentally ill, And getting them into the system and putting them on.
01:01:58.000 And they're talking about forced implants into your body that time release it, ports in your neck with wires into your brain.
01:02:04.000 You saw it on TV last night.
01:02:06.000 They're not playing games.
01:02:08.000 They're making people do this.
01:02:10.000 Dr. Grace Jackson, good to have you on.
01:02:12.000 I'm sure you know who Jim Godstein is.
01:02:15.000 I sure do.
01:02:16.000 And Mr. Jones, I just wanted to correct something you said.
01:02:19.000 I'm actually not a psychologist.
01:02:20.000 I am a psychiatrist.
01:02:22.000 I just said psychiatrist and I could blame that on the person running the board.
01:02:25.000 She told me you were a psychologist.
01:02:26.000 I'm just joking.
01:02:27.000 Go ahead.
01:02:27.000 No problem.
01:02:29.000 You're a medical doctor of the mechanics of the brain and not a psychologist, okay.
01:02:34.000 That's correct, and it's an important distinction.
01:02:36.000 It is a huge distinction, and that's what I thought I had here in my notes.
01:02:40.000 Well, your critics will try to undermine the credibility of anyone who shares your viewpoint, as I am sure you are aware.
01:02:46.000 Oh, I'm fully aware.
01:02:47.000 I had psychiatrist here, and then I was told, nope, it's psychologist.
01:02:50.000 Oh, no, no, you got it correct.
01:02:51.000 Okay, good.
01:02:54.000 You know, we're about to break here in a minute.
01:02:55.000 We've got stations that carry the news, so everybody will be hearing you after this break, but Doctor, what do you think about, I mean, how do you deal with this?
01:03:03.000 This is so out of control.
01:03:06.000 Well, I think one of the ways to deal with this is to work with folks like Jim Godstein, who is a man of high integrity, who is doing his best, you know, to protect the rights of individuals and families who are up against something which he has derived a wonderful term for this.
01:03:21.000 And I don't know if he shared that with you in your interview with him, but he has called what is happening the Pharmacost.
01:03:28.000 And I think that really sums it up very beautifully.
01:03:31.000 It is a Holocaust!
01:03:32.000 I mean, this stuff has maimed millions, killed tens of thousands, admittedly!
01:03:37.000 Well, I think it's always prudent to be cautious about too much hyperbole, and at the same time, many folks truly have been damaged beyond repair and have died because of these drugs.
01:03:51.000 And other interventions, such as lobotomies and electroshock therapy, other individuals have been able to tolerate these interventions and to survive with them.
01:04:01.000 However, I would say that there is a big difference between holding up these interventions as a gold standard, given the fact that doctors are held accountable for doing what's called a risk versus benefit analysis.
01:04:15.000 And when you really look at the risk of these different, very aggressive interventions in the brain, From my own research, it appears that there are far less assaultive and far less toxic methods of working with individuals, but as a society and as a nation, we seem to have given up on those other types of intervention, and I think that's what's tragic here.
01:04:36.000 Okay, Doctor, we've got a break.
01:04:37.000 We'll come back with Jim Gottstein, who's going to be on with you, and I'm looking at the Associated Press report here.
01:04:43.000 It's saying that they're going to test everybody in the schools, now the adults, they're going to force us on this.
01:04:48.000 I mean, this is really happening.
01:04:50.000 How do we stop them?
01:04:51.000 We'll be right back.
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01:08:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:08:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:08:14.000 Okay.
01:08:18.000 Just to give you the atmosphere.
01:08:21.000 In the last 12 hours, the President has come out himself and said that anybody they arrest under terrorism, which can be any misdemeanor under Section 802 of H.R.
01:08:32.000 3162, doesn't get a trial because, quote, they're a killer terrorist.
01:08:36.000 The Feds have come out with legislation to put airport screening technology in the malls.
01:08:41.000 Now again, I saw Ridge say this two years ago on C-SPAN.
01:08:43.000 Here it is.
01:08:46.000 Here's another one, Associated Press.
01:08:47.000 Silence can be turned into a criminal offense.
01:08:49.000 Now, remember when they first ruled on part of this a few months ago, I said this, because I read the ruling.
01:08:53.000 Well, now there's another ruling on the case.
01:08:58.000 And it says, the government will now be able to turn a person's silence into a criminal offense.
01:09:02.000 A sharply divided Supreme Court has ruled, five to four, that Americans have no constitutional right to silence.
01:09:08.000 No Fifth Amendment.
01:09:09.000 Privacy right advocates say the ruling essentially opens a can of worms.
01:09:12.000 I mean, folks, I don't think you realize I've got stacks of these, stacks of these.
01:09:19.000 I've got another Long Beach article, Long Beach Press-Telegraph, giving examples of them using it against pot dealers, county commissioners, you know.
01:09:30.000 The Patriot Act!
01:09:32.000 And then I see articles every week where they're forcing people on Ritalin, forcing them on Serotonin uptake inhibitors, Prozac type drugs, lawsuits, people dying from this stuff, suicide increased risk, major medical journals saying this.
01:09:49.000 This is horrible!
01:09:50.000 And we're joined by Dr. Grace Jackson, a psychiatrist, And Jim Godstein.
01:09:57.000 And Jim and Dr. Jackson, you guys have got the floor.
01:10:01.000 I mean, what's the most important things for people to know about the progress of this and how we stop them from testing all our children and trying to force more and more of us onto this?
01:10:11.000 And the President's big announcement he's scheduled to make next week, you know, to federally push all this.
01:10:18.000 I mean, you guys have got the floor.
01:10:20.000 Tell us all about it.
01:10:24.000 Okay, well, we have at PsychRights.org a little piece that's really a plan of how to go about this.
01:10:36.000 It's called, it's unwarranted court-ordered psychiatric medication, a call to action.
01:10:45.000 And there are a number of pieces to it, and one of course is what we're doing right now, which is educating.
01:10:51.000 The second one, I think, and what we're really all about, Is an organized legal campaign to enforce people's rights against this stuff.
01:11:01.000 What you see happening is that people don't get any kind of vigorous representation in the main.
01:11:11.000 And one of the things, for example, is the legal system is kind of this ritualized verbal combat.
01:11:20.000 And one of the things is It's an issue of experts.
01:11:25.000 And so, the state always comes in with, you know, one of their on-staff psychiatrists who solemnly intones that this person is mentally ill and regrettably needs these medications to protect himself or society.
01:11:42.000 And the way that the legal system works is that if you don't have a psychiatrist on the other side, you automatically lose.
01:11:50.000 And the system doesn't really provide any psychiatrists.
01:11:53.000 And so you can't really give everybody that kind of representation.
01:12:00.000 So you have to be cagey about how you go about it and taking cases and appealing cases that cause change.
01:12:09.000 The classic, if you want to use the word, model of that was the Thurgood Marshall and the NAACP's legal effort against legalized segregation in the 40s and 50s that was quite successful.
01:12:24.000 And so we're trying to mount that kind of an effort.
01:12:30.000 And this piece we have on our website, Unwarranted Court Ordered Medication, a call to action, Is a description of that.
01:12:41.000 Briefly going back to a point you made, the government has their on-site psychiatrist, who of course always say that you're mentally ill.
01:12:48.000 It's like the Soviet Union saying, you know, you're mentally ill, we're going to grab you.
01:12:51.000 And now they're going to test everybody in the schools, go after the adults.
01:12:54.000 And it's the big pharmacological companies running the program, selling the drugs, pushing them.
01:12:59.000 And then they've got their own doctors saying, you're all crazy, you've got to take it.
01:13:02.000 15% of us are nuts, we've all got to be on it.
01:13:06.000 I mean, Doctor, this is so transparent, Dr. Jackson.
01:13:10.000 I mean, do you see an awakening to this tyranny taking place?
01:13:14.000 Well, it's transparent to you and to Jim and to me, but what you have to appreciate is that, number one, most doctors who attend medical school are just trying to do one thing.
01:13:23.000 They're trying to find their next 12 hours or 8 hours of sleep.
01:13:28.000 And they're just trying to survive.
01:13:30.000 And by the time you come out of medical school, unfortunately, Medical school is typically, at least in my experience, not the kind of place that rewards or encourages critical thinking skills.
01:13:40.000 So, in my own case, I went through a very classic, conventional medical school training and did my residency in psychiatry in the U.S.
01:13:49.000 Navy.
01:13:50.000 And it took me some time to really wake up and to realize that the medications were creating permanent patients, that they were making people sicker.
01:13:57.000 And that people were recovering with much greater success if they were not being put on these medications.
01:14:02.000 And that's the job of Big Pharma that writes the rules and runs the congressional committees and gets the president into power.
01:14:10.000 That's what they want, is bigger business.
01:14:12.000 I think the problem now, Alex, is that the... I don't know to what extent things can be saved at the highest levels in our country anymore.
01:14:19.000 I think the Supreme Court ruling on HMOs the other day was a good example.
01:14:23.000 Yeah, can't sue them.
01:14:24.000 Right, and I think It's almost beyond the point of expecting or hoping that the Congress, which is just as guilty as the White House and the Supreme Court, in my estimation, for not protecting the public, you know, has really... I'm not sure if it's to the point where it can be corrected.
01:14:40.000 What I think is the hope, if any, is to try and reach consumers themselves, so that families themselves No, they're right.
01:14:51.000 Here's a case point example.
01:14:53.000 Your 10 year old, they've got coke machines in the halls, he's drinking 3 cokes a day, eating 2 Snickers bars, he's bouncing off the walls.
01:15:00.000 If you gave a puppy that, the puppy would be bouncing off the walls.
01:15:03.000 You're not supposed to do that.
01:15:05.000 It's obviously the coke machines, they know darn well what they're doing.
01:15:09.000 Then your child gets in trouble for speaking out of hand instead of being disciplined or looking at their nutrition.
01:15:14.000 They say, oh, got to put them on Ritalin.
01:15:16.000 You say no, or you do put them on Ritalin.
01:15:18.000 They get real sick, start losing weight, black circles around their eyes, heart palpitations.
01:15:24.000 I mean, I've read the news articles here 50 times.
01:15:26.000 I've read them once.
01:15:27.000 And that's happening.
01:15:28.000 Then they come with armed police and grab your child and drag him away.
01:15:32.000 And you see them a year later, you've lost custody, and your child is basically in a coma, drooling in a corner.
01:15:37.000 I mean, how do you stop that from happening?
01:15:40.000 Well, I know for a fact that there are some states that have finally enacted legislation to protect these families that have lost the custody of children for saying no.
01:15:50.000 And when we're talking about stimulant medications, I just want to get in a plug here to underscore what I think are the tremendous toxicities that most families are not informed about.
01:16:00.000 You know, one of the facts is that anybody given a stimulant will begin to have increased selective attention.
01:16:07.000 So it's not the case that these These medications suddenly discern which of the kids who have this illness and who doesn't.
01:16:14.000 Any person put on the equivalent of cocaine will have higher focus.
01:16:18.000 However, what families are not being told about is the fact that these drugs affect different parts of the brain differently and that the growth rate of children who are on these medications appears to be inhibited for as much as 30 months.
01:16:31.000 Now, if you're delaying the skeletal bone growth of a child for 30 months before puberty, One has no idea what that is doing to the growth of the brain.
01:16:40.000 And the doctors don't even seem to be interested in exploring the fact.
01:16:43.000 Well, doctor, I've read the medical reports and had other psychiatrists and other medical doctors, you know, I've had neurologists on.
01:16:50.000 They have major studies showing brain shrinkage.
01:16:54.000 And those studies have, I'm not sure to what extent those have been replicated.
01:16:58.000 I know some of those studies, Henry Nasrella was one who had done a CT scan of folks who had been on stimulant sunscreens.
01:17:04.000 It's always important to understand all the possible factors that could be contributing.
01:17:08.000 Well, take Ritalin, and now they've got all these new drugs, but I mean, I've talked to doctors, the molecule is almost identical to methamphetamine.
01:17:15.000 Well, it's actually not the molecule itself that you worry about, but how it acts in the brain.
01:17:19.000 And what Ritalin does in the brain is identical to cocaine.
01:17:23.000 They're both dopamine transporter antagonists.
01:17:26.000 And Nora Volkow, V-O-L-K-O-W, is like the leading investigator of cocaine and Ritalin.
01:17:32.000 In America, probably in the world, and she is a phenomenal researcher.
01:17:36.000 However, she draws conclusions that are probably a bit different than my own.
01:17:40.000 However, she, in all of her work, has absolutely concluded that these two medications, cocaine versus Ritalin, are identical in terms of what they do in the brain.
01:17:51.000 The difference seems to be in their pharmacokinetics, which means how the body actually processes the two drugs.
01:17:58.000 But it's concerning enough that many individuals who work in prisons or who work with troubled adolescents, and I've done both, in interviewing people who are cocaine-dependent, I'll frequently stop in the history and ask, well, when did you first get psychiatric help?
01:18:14.000 And the story always begins with ADD and Ritalin.
01:18:17.000 Now, that's even better than mainstream news, too, that if you've been on Ritalin, you have a massive increase in now having a taste for narcotics.
01:18:26.000 Well, it certainly doesn't seem to be the case that every child who's been put on these drugs at age five or six ends up cocaine dependent.
01:18:33.000 But there's a statistical increase.
01:18:34.000 I believe it's triple.
01:18:36.000 Well, I don't know that anyone has those facts yet.
01:18:39.000 I've seen the articles, but go ahead.
01:18:41.000 What concerns me the most, Alex, is the fact that there are researchers in this country whose names I shall conceal, but it's Harvard University, and they're trying to scare And to say that if you don't take a 5 or 6 year old and put them on Ritalin, they'll develop cocaine dependence in an effort to self-medicate.
01:18:59.000 I just want to say something about this issue of self-medicating, because it's almost become the watchword of America now.
01:19:05.000 With all the advertisements on television, the first thing people tell me when I meet them in an office as a psychiatrist, they come in and they say, Doctor, I have a chemical imbalance.
01:19:15.000 And then they'll say, you know, you need to give me something for my chemical imbalance or I'll self-medicate.
01:19:20.000 This was unheard of, you know, 40 or 50 years ago when people still took responsibility, you know, for their actions and for their thoughts.
01:19:29.000 So, I don't know if there are any easy answers.
01:19:32.000 I think one of the things is to, if I were a parent, to group together with other parents and to put pressure on the school board or the school district, and if need be, educate my children Outside of a school district that would put these... Okay, Dr. Jackson stay there and Mr. Godstein stay there.
01:19:49.000 We'll be right back.
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01:23:54.000 Alright my friends, Alex Jones here back live.
01:24:06.000 I cannot stress how serious this is.
01:24:08.000 SWAT team will raid your house looking for a gram of cocaine.
01:24:12.000 They're pushing something that our medical doctor here is telling us has very similar effects.
01:24:18.000 And then Harvard comes out and says, oh, we'll see, you'll self-medicate with the cocaine if we don't give you this.
01:24:23.000 I mean, it's sick!
01:24:25.000 And of course, the globalists run both sides of the illegal and the legal.
01:24:29.000 Just amazing, we're talking to Dr. Grace Jackson, psychiatrist, and Jim Godstein, CEO and Vice President of the Law Project, a public interest law firm, the Law Project for Psychiatric Rights.
01:24:43.000 We'll give you that website here again in a few minutes.
01:24:48.000 This program called New Freedom, going on in Texas here since the early 1990s, now going nationwide.
01:24:54.000 Whistleblowers coming out and saying it's run by the drug companies.
01:24:58.000 Bush is going to be announcing that this needs to happen nationwide.
01:25:02.000 Can you give us some more details of the program, Mr. Godstein or Dr. Jackson?
01:25:09.000 Well, the program in Texas, I think, was called the TMAP, which is the Texas Medication Algorithm Program.
01:25:18.000 But they're taking that program and they're changing the name now nationwide to New Freedom.
01:25:23.000 Well there was this new Freedom, the President's new Freedom Commission on Mental Health that issued a report I think maybe a year ago and that was a separate thing and what I think came out recently in the British Medical Journal was that they are proposing to screen everybody really for mental illness and then potentially force them to take drugs is the concern.
01:25:52.000 And they're really, I think, part and parcel of the same effort to medicalize everything for people in the country.
01:26:03.000 But I'm not sure that those are actually the same program.
01:26:09.000 I'm familiar with the TMAP program.
01:26:12.000 in texas and then of course uh... alan jones in pennsylvania blew the whistle on the corruption uh... involved in that they will just from the associate press articles as team team out tested in texas now tested in other states and that bush is going to announce it nationwide and they're billing it as new freedom i don't have a commission coming up with all this is called new freedom to all the ely lily people but but the other they're saying they're going to call the initiative itself nationwide a new freedom and maybe uh... they're going to come up with some other term but uh...
01:26:43.000 So how do we stop this?
01:26:46.000 Well, one thing, and I hate to be crass about this, but I spend probably 50, 60 or more hours a week pro bono or volunteer trying to help people legally, but there are also costs involved.
01:27:00.000 For example, hiring experts such as Dr. Jackson, which the legal system actually requires that they be paid, and it's an arcane thing.
01:27:11.000 You know, any donations of psych rights will be used to fight this in a very coordinated way.
01:27:19.000 I think that, you know, people, the more people that get involved and just resist this has got to help.
01:27:29.000 Dr. Jackson hit on a very important point, which is that other types of interventions, she calls them, I would call them alternatives to the medication, Have been shown to be effective, but what happens now is even though people have the legal right to have these alternatives, they're not available and it's critically important that people be given the choice not to have to take these medications.
01:27:59.000 You know, that's a good term you use, pharmacost.
01:28:02.000 Why do you call it pharmacost?
01:28:04.000 Well, I think that it is It's just the scale of the damage that's being done by these drugs.
01:28:14.000 There are literally millions of people around the world whose lives have been ruined by these drugs.
01:28:23.000 In fact, there may even be Certainly hundreds of thousands whose lives have been shortened and tens of thousands who've actually probably died directly from these drugs.
01:28:37.000 And so it just seemed like an appropriate term to me to describe the scale of the damage that's being done.
01:28:47.000 Well, I mean, the schools are just being turned into big marketing zones for the military.
01:28:51.000 Now they're doing psychological testing on the children to decide who will be a good minion for them.
01:28:56.000 You know, big pharma in the schools.
01:28:58.000 Dr. Jackson, were you aware of the governor a few years ago, who was a psychiatrist himself, in Oregon coming out and saying, we may need to drug babies at birth and pre-screen all the mommies preemptively to see if environmental reasons might mean this child might be mentally ill.
01:29:13.000 So in case they might be mentally ill, we need to pre-drug them.
01:29:16.000 Wow.
01:29:17.000 No, I didn't hear that.
01:29:18.000 It wouldn't surprise me to hear that statement coming from the Director of the President of the American Psychiatric Association.
01:29:24.000 I'm a little bit surprised that it came from a governor.
01:29:26.000 But I think it's really important to appreciate, just sort of backing up, you know, as you were saying, that the new Freedom Mental Health Commission was passed by the President to take... Everyone, stay there.
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01:33:23.000 But think about this, Bush, our big conservative leader, expanding Department of Education, signing on to the UN and UNESCO, who by the way writes the guidelines for all this drugging and brainwashing and And it's not just the drugging in the schools, and now the expansion of the screening.
01:33:41.000 They want to do it to adults, and it's, you know, cops in most of the public schools for a semester in the 7th or 8th grade, depending on the school district, for a whole semester, having the children write dossiers on mommy and daddy, and giving them tattletale cards, and giving them $200 if they turn neighbors in.
01:33:58.000 I mean, this is like a nightmare.
01:34:00.000 It is a nightmare.
01:34:02.000 But it's this whole system of control, and it's always for your best interest.
01:34:07.000 It's just amazing.
01:34:08.000 But Dr. Grace Jackson, psychiatrist, you were trying to get into Bush and New Freedom.
01:34:14.000 Please continue what you were saying.
01:34:15.000 Sure.
01:34:16.000 I think there was maybe a little bit of confusion as to the Texas medication algorithm and the New Freedom.
01:34:22.000 And my understanding is that the New Freedom Mental Health Commission is perhaps coming out with this new report that I have not seen.
01:34:28.000 Apparently, you know, it's just been forecast.
01:34:30.000 I don't know who has seen the report.
01:34:32.000 But it's apparently been leaked to the press that a part of this report Will include more global screening of children in schools and then there was through that AP report that you alluded to a reference that adults in schools would also be screened.
01:34:47.000 So I'm assuming that may include teachers or who knows what.
01:34:50.000 Yeah, it says all the students, the teachers, and that the school is a community center to then get all the adults in to do it.
01:34:57.000 Wow.
01:34:57.000 Well, I don't know how they're going to do that, but the Texas algorithm To my understanding, it's a separate piece, whether or not that's going to be a part of this or not.
01:35:06.000 Well, they're saying they're using that as the national model, but Bush is going to say next week, this is the model, this works good, my commission on new freedom wants it, this is the program.
01:35:16.000 Well, the Texas algorithm is currently being used in ten states, is my understanding, and many states have elected to use different kinds of guidelines.
01:35:24.000 I, as a rule, tend to believe that any kind of algorithm is grossly misguided.
01:35:30.000 Now tell folks what an algorithm is.
01:35:33.000 It's just risk points.
01:35:34.000 Yeah, an algorithm is basically a flowchart.
01:35:37.000 And I think this is wonderful in medicine.
01:35:40.000 Okay, I'll tell you where flowcharts have been terrific.
01:35:42.000 For instance, for a heart attack, every intern knows that when a person comes into the emergency room, and if you're an intern, you're pretty overwhelmed trying to learn everything from a garden, drink from a fire hydrant, And it's nice to have a flow chart because you remember, okay, two liters, nasal cannula, oxygen, aspirin, beta blocker, you know, get the EKG and off you go.
01:36:03.000 And figure out who needs to go to the cath lab to actually have their angioplasty or whatever.
01:36:07.000 So algorithms have a legitimate place in medicine.
01:36:11.000 But we have to stop and think for a moment that when we're talking about psychiatry and psychology, we're talking about human behavior and human thinking.
01:36:19.000 And we're really crossing out of the area of medicine, I believe.
01:36:22.000 Well, really, that's it!
01:36:26.000 I mean, there's not a CAT scan, there's not a lesion on the brain, there's not something physical we can show, it's just...
01:36:34.000 You know, the big pharma writes the guidelines.
01:36:36.000 We give your child a test.
01:36:38.000 Your child's, you know, the flow chart's designed to, you know, net the largest group of people.
01:36:44.000 Oh, well, we did a scientific test.
01:36:45.000 It shows you're mentally ill.
01:36:47.000 You have one of these dozens of new mental illnesses, which aren't even mental illnesses in many cases.
01:36:51.000 Let's go ahead and give you these drugs.
01:36:54.000 One of the things I think that this is leading to is there is this big sales job That mental illness is some kind of brain disease or some brain defect.
01:37:05.000 And you talk about the CAT scans and all that.
01:37:08.000 And there's really not a shred of evidence that there's anything abnormal about people's brains that cause them to have mental illness.
01:37:18.000 And this is even true about the genetic research.
01:37:21.000 It's very questionable when you actually look at the studies.
01:37:25.000 And we never get to go into court on these things.
01:37:27.000 And that's one of the things that we're trying to do.
01:37:30.000 Well, yeah, you just got a psychiatrist who works for Big Pharma, they're in the school, running the machines, saying you're child's mentally ill, and here's this expensive, synthetic, uh, patented drug, uh, that, uh, you know, does, is gonna make you sit in the corner and drool, but so what, because I'm a doctor.
01:37:46.000 Yeah, I mean Alex, I hope we're not getting to the point where they're actually going to start scanning the kids at the schools, but who knows if they come to that point.
01:37:54.000 Ma'am, I'm 30 years old.
01:37:57.000 This was done to all the seniors at Anderson High in 1992.
01:38:00.000 Head scans?
01:38:04.000 They hooked electrodes up to my head, all the seniors had to go do it, and they would sit there and ask you questions, and have you do different things on these maps.
01:38:13.000 Incredible.
01:38:14.000 And then I did the big, what's the psychological test that's 600 questions long?
01:38:18.000 To catch, what's that called?
01:38:18.000 Yeah.
01:38:19.000 MMPI or something.
01:38:21.000 Yeah, you know, supposedly to...
01:38:23.000 Wow, that's really startling.
01:38:25.000 Yeah, so see, this says it started in 95 in Austin, Texas in testing schools.
01:38:29.000 Well, no it didn't.
01:38:31.000 But I think it's really important to understand how psychiatry has been able to build itself as this biological disease.
01:38:38.000 You know, what Jim was just saying.
01:38:40.000 And the real critical thing for parents to ask doctors who are trying to do this, or to ask the school board, is to say, where is the test that shows that my child has an abnormal brain?
01:38:50.000 Because what happens is, if a child, let's say, has a viable illness that is causing abnormal behaviors or
01:38:58.000 Let's say a brain tumor or an AV malformation, which is a malformation of the blood vessels in the brain,
01:38:58.000 thoughts.
01:39:04.000 or let's say an infectious process like neurosyphilis, something terribly wrong that is a medical illness,
01:39:10.000 then I'm saying that's terrific, that should be treated.
01:39:13.000 But statistically doctor, they're saying 15% of us are mentally ill, 1 in 10 in England now on these drugs.
01:39:19.000 Oh Alex, you're way off.
01:39:20.000 What they really are trying to do is ensure that every American has a bona fide illness, okay?
01:39:25.000 What they're trying to do, and I have no doubt that they will go this far, is to every time the DSM, the statistical manual that psychiatrists use for diagnosis, that gets revised every time the ICD is revised.
01:39:39.000 The ICD is the International Classification of Diseases.
01:39:43.000 And that gets revised every 10 years as part of the World Health Organization process in classifying diseases.
01:39:49.000 So every time the ICD gets revised, the DSM gets revised in America.
01:39:54.000 And every time the DSM gets revised, they add dozens of new diagnoses.
01:39:58.000 Well, I've just seen the numbers currently that Jim was bringing up saying, where they say 15% of us are mentally ill, obviously a big pharma that runs all this is going to say we're all ill, and the men in black uniforms will drop by, we don't take the drugs, but all they'll do is hook electrodes up your child's head, say they're mentally ill, give them a test, and then, you know, it's total quackery, and then, I mean, but folks, I don't know, this is just out of control, and they admit all the side effects of these drugs, and, oh man, I'll tell you.
01:40:27.000 I don't know that they do admit the side effects, and I guess that's one of the problems that Jim and I are working so hard on.
01:40:34.000 Well, it's just all these big medical journals are talking about the suicide and the... Well, you know, they're actually minimizing the actual scope of the problem.
01:40:42.000 The problem is that the public can't be expected to understand the sophistication of how the scientists manipulate data.
01:40:49.000 And you've probably read about the fact that Columbia University is re-analyzing all those old studies on antidepressants in children.
01:40:56.000 It doesn't amount to anything to re-analyze data if the data that was collected originally was tainted.
01:41:02.000 Well, what people don't really appreciate is that it takes a good amount of sophistication to understand how the data is manipulated in the first place.
01:41:10.000 But it doesn't take sophistication.
01:41:12.000 When I watch TV, what's the new drug where it goes, are you tired?
01:41:16.000 Having trouble getting it all done?
01:41:17.000 It shows this mom coming home from work, cooking dinner.
01:41:20.000 Well, we've got a new stimulant for you.
01:41:22.000 What's that drug called?
01:41:24.000 She must be on amoxicillin.
01:41:28.000 My point is, I even heard an ad, and I'm not kidding, I heard an ad on the radio going, get subscribed for Soma.
01:41:37.000 Did you know they have a drug called Soma?
01:41:39.000 I did not realize that.
01:41:41.000 I mean, how arrogant is this getting?
01:41:42.000 How dumb do they think we are?
01:41:44.000 Well, I guess they think people have not been reading Orwell.
01:41:48.000 Because he said it all in 1984, and I think that he was wildly optimistic, because I think what we're seeing in this country, anyhow, has wildly surpassed what he wrote about in 1984.
01:41:58.000 Well, let's take a couple calls, and I'm obviously going to have to have you both back up.
01:42:02.000 I mean, this is just frightening.
01:42:03.000 Tim in Ohio, you're on the air with Jim Godstein and Dr. Grace Jackson.
01:42:08.000 Go ahead, Tim.
01:42:09.000 Good afternoon, Alex.
01:42:10.000 Thank you for taking my call.
01:42:11.000 Hello, Jim.
01:42:12.000 Hello, Dr. Jackson.
01:42:13.000 My question has to do more with epilepsy and this Vegas Nerve Stimulator.
01:42:18.000 I have a very close friend who had diagnosed with epilepsy at the age of 16.
01:42:24.000 Been on the cocktail of drugs, the Lamictal, the Depakote, the Karnicor, the Keppra.
01:42:31.000 Now, Tegretol she was on first.
01:42:34.000 That in the United States was replaced by one of the others, right?
01:42:38.000 And now they've got the port in the neck where they plug into the brain, but now they say for depression they're going to use this.
01:42:43.000 And it would seem that that is a medical thing, not a psychiatric.
01:42:48.000 Doctor?
01:42:50.000 Tim, what's your question?
01:42:51.000 They evolved from the cocktail drugs to the nerve stimulator, right?
01:42:57.000 And every day at exactly 321 Complete coughing fits.
01:43:03.000 You could set your watch to it.
01:43:04.000 And I tried to tell her that they're probably activating that with some type of satellite.
01:43:09.000 And of course, ooh, I'm the conspiracy theorist, but I don't know.
01:43:12.000 Now they want to do a special research study to test the efficiency and safety of a substance called SPM-927.
01:43:21.000 Can you tell me what it is?
01:43:22.000 Well, wait a minute, wait a minute.
01:43:23.000 You're saying your friend is a wirehead.
01:43:25.000 She has this port in her neck.
01:43:27.000 Already, yes.
01:43:28.000 Let me just sort of go back here and sort of clarify.
01:43:35.000 I have not actually been involved in implanting a vagus nerve stimulator.
01:43:40.000 I've read some about this and probably what's helpful for your friend Tim and for you to know is that for a long time there's been a debate in psychiatry and neurology as to what is more important, electricity or chemicals.
01:43:54.000 And this was a debate that waged in uh... there was a raging debate in the uh... eighteen hundred and uh... the group that thought the chemicals were more important called themselves the soups.
01:44:04.000 S-O-U-P-S.
01:44:05.000 And the group that thought electricity was more important, because the brain is both.
01:44:10.000 It's electrochemical.
01:44:11.000 Yeah, the whole body is.
01:44:12.000 And so the group that was voting for electricity called themselves the sparks.
01:44:16.000 Okay, let me stop you right there, doctor, and and and and Tim, I appreciate the call, but this is the point I want to make here.
01:44:22.000 If they're forcing Millions of people on these drugs, you know, put your jaw on it, we're taking them.
01:44:28.000 Now they're coming out for depression, getting FDA approval for the wire head system, these are Philip K. Dickian term, then common sense goes to show they're going to force people to take this, and earlier Jim, doctor, brought up these implantable year-long time release psychotropics and antipsychotics.
01:44:48.000 Comments on that?
01:44:50.000 Sure, well the Vagus Nerve Stimulator, remember if we're talking about epilepsy, then we're talking about a true neurological condition, although it certainly is, so that's very different, okay?
01:44:58.000 We're talking about psychiatric, which is a philosophical problem, psychological, versus a neurological condition called epilepsy, for which there are fairly good markers and very objective signs and difficulties.
01:45:10.000 The Vagus Nerve Stimulator runs a wire alongside, well through the neck, And my understanding is that this stimulates the vagus nerve, which is a cranial nerve that runs alongside the recurrent laryngeal nerve.
01:45:24.000 The laryngeal nerve is what integrates the voice box.
01:45:27.000 So many people have this stimulator, which is set to go off every so many minutes, is my understanding.
01:45:32.000 At least for depression, that's how it works.
01:45:35.000 And they will be mid-sentence and they may stop talking because this I'm still here Alex.
01:45:41.000 the fact that yet but i think you'll be talking to you mid-sentence stop
01:45:44.000 let me ask him a favor can we you call back the board give us your friend's name i want to have her on as a guest
01:45:52.000 uh... okay we still have to have asked him for a phone number
01:45:55.000 i'm still here out uh... can can i get your your your friend on who has this
01:46:00.000 tour okay let me get your number but my brother
01:46:02.000 One more question real quickly to Dr. Jackson.
01:46:04.000 Okay, I got loaded phone lines, we'll never get to everybody, but go ahead.
01:46:07.000 The SPM 927, they want her to go in and participate in a research study on it.
01:46:11.000 What is SPM 927?
01:46:13.000 I honestly don't know, and I would just want to be, you know, real respectful of your friend's privacy.
01:46:20.000 You know, if we're talking about her case, that we, you know, sort of have her permission to be talking about these things next time, but it'd be great... Well, we haven't said her name, so... We haven't.
01:46:28.000 But, uh, always important to respect people's privacy.
01:46:30.000 We know a woman in the state of... Somewhere, though.
01:46:32.000 A woman in the state of Ohio.
01:46:34.000 I don't think it's... Or she could be anywhere.
01:46:35.000 But the point is, Tim's a concerned friend, and I think he's asking great questions.
01:46:38.000 I don't know SPN-927-TIM, so it'll be... Okay, I'm gonna have to let Tim go.
01:46:42.000 We got a load of... Tim, give me your number, and talk to her if she wants me to call her and get her on.
01:46:47.000 We'll do that.
01:46:48.000 Okay, and Roger in Pennsylvania, you're on the air.
01:46:51.000 Go ahead.
01:46:52.000 I gotta go quickly here.
01:46:52.000 Yeah, thanks folks.
01:46:53.000 So and I think instead of for algorithm probably better word than flowchart would be method for doing something.
01:47:00.000 And I would like to ask given to varying degrees throughout both the psychology and psychiatry, given the precious little that's really known about neurology or the physiology, let alone in the presence of these drugs, And then you have these quantum leaps from the physical sciences to the cognitive, and then the reductionism to behavioral determinism.
01:47:27.000 Do you have a question or comment?
01:47:28.000 I'm going to have to let you go.
01:47:29.000 Well, I'd like to ask, do you think it'll be more than 10 or 20 years before a lot of this is revealed as the pseudoscience it is, and all that more dangerous than bloodletting, etc., and all those other dark ages things?
01:47:43.000 Where it's exposed as more being a control mechanism.
01:47:48.000 Okay, thanks for the call.
01:47:51.000 Jim, Grace comments?
01:47:53.000 Yeah, well, Roger, I guess the best thing I can say is to describe, I think you're totally on the right track.
01:47:59.000 I think the human brain and consciousness are so complex that to answer your question quickly, there'll never be an easy or a chemical explanation, nor should there be.
01:48:08.000 And the last thing I can say about this is we've invented the Holy Grail.
01:48:12.000 whereby scientists at NIMH and major medical centers, academic centers, etc.
01:48:18.000 know that they have permanent job security by just naming the next chemical that they want to say causes any particular kind of abnormal behavior or thought.
01:48:27.000 And there's the incentive for the drug companies to keep pushing this and pushing it.
01:48:30.000 Jim, comments?
01:48:31.000 Yeah, I will say I'm hopeful that this current wave of exposés About what's happening with these antidepressants will open up this whole thing and that there will be a more critical look within the media about what's going on and really going on because the last time this happened was probably
01:48:57.000 Oh, maybe in the early 70s when there would start to be some questions raised and it was squashed.
01:49:04.000 So I feel if we don't really seize this opportunity now with the questions that are being raised, it may be a long time again before there's another opportunity.
01:49:14.000 Good point.
01:49:15.000 Patrick in Texas, go ahead, last caller for our guest, quickly.
01:49:18.000 Yes, I'm in Lee, and I'd like to say that the Citizens Commission on Human Rights came out with reports about psychiatric abuse, everything from psychiatric rape, psychiatric fraud, and eradicating justice.
01:49:30.000 I take how I'm called to consonate with the long... I have trouble understanding you, sir.
01:49:35.000 Yes, I came out with... The Citizens Commission on Human Rights came out with reports of psychiatric abuse, everything from psychiatric fraud, psychiatric rape, to eradicating justice, to tear the blacks, And so forth.
01:49:49.000 It's all beasties.
01:49:50.000 I'm mandated by the state of Texas to take hollow, decontaminate, and try to expand drill, and all I can do is pray.
01:49:57.000 Sounds like that was a comment, Patrick.
01:50:01.000 I've been your slave.
01:50:02.000 I picked up trash.
01:50:03.000 George Bush said that was a good idea when his governor was mentally ill.
01:50:06.000 So you're their slave.
01:50:09.000 They drug you and you go out and pick up trash.
01:50:10.000 Yeah, now, you know, I'm their pet.
01:50:13.000 Making them money.
01:50:17.000 Again, a scanner darkly.
01:50:18.000 They brain damage you and then use you as a slave.
01:50:20.000 They have devices in the corner of the center I go to.
01:50:22.000 You know, the little infrared little scanners and stuff.
01:50:25.000 It's sick.
01:50:27.000 And they have an armed deputy, you know.
01:50:30.000 Alright, listen.
01:50:31.000 I'm sorry to hear that, Patrick.
01:50:33.000 Dr. Jackson, Mr. Godstein, both of you, thanks for coming on.
01:50:38.000 What are the websites we should know about again?
01:50:40.000 Psychrites.org, PSYCH, R-I-G-H-T-F dot org.
01:50:46.000 Okay, and Doctor, thank you for coming on.
01:50:48.000 Thank you!
01:50:49.000 God bless you.
01:50:50.000 We'll be back, folks.
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01:54:02.000 it's alex jones and the gcn radio network whether it is drugs, child abuse, mental illness,
01:54:17.000 environmental crimes none of this is enforced on the globalists
01:54:21.000 or...
01:54:23.000 Or in many cases, the truly mentally ill, which is a very small minority, or real child abusers, any of it.
01:54:29.000 It's focused on the general public by huge industries owned by the military industrial complex.
01:54:34.000 Big Pharma, the private prisons, now more than half the prisons are big as industry.
01:54:39.000 It's all owned by the same people.
01:54:41.000 The Rockefellers, the Bushes, and others are all in the private prisons, they're all in Big Pharma, and they're all in the face scanning, the surveillance camera, the computers that are put in the emergency command centers, the chips that go in all cell phones by law, that track everywhere you go and what you do, the OnStar systems, you know, your cable box selling detailed psychological algorithms of your mindset to the government.
01:55:05.000 That's mainstream news!
01:55:06.000 You know, a microphone in the cable box!
01:55:08.000 Listening to you if they want to, but also watching what you watch and building detailed psychological algorithms.
01:55:14.000 I mean, you're under more than Orwellian surveillance now.
01:55:16.000 But the average yuppie has no idea.
01:55:18.000 You show them the actual documents, mainstream news, they go, Good!
01:55:21.000 Good!
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01:55:25.000 Well, these drugs are killing people.
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01:55:28.000 I mean, you people are sick!
01:55:31.000 And so they say 15% of us are mentally ill, and you heard the doctor.
01:55:34.000 Actually, the government wants to say everybody is.
01:55:36.000 So we all get arrested if we don't take the implant that releases the drugs every year, or if we don't take the wire into the brain.
01:55:46.000 And here is a Schumer wants airport screening technology in malls.
01:55:50.000 And it says on New York lawmakers demanding better security in the nation's shopping malls in the wake of last week's revelation about a terrorist plot.
01:56:00.000 The government claims to bomb an Ohio shopping center.
01:56:02.000 Senator Charles Schumer, we have to learn the lessons of 9-11 and look at everything that terrorists might want to throw at us.
01:56:08.000 And I watched the head FBI agent in Austin on TV last night.
01:56:10.000 He said, oh yes, it's very easy.
01:56:12.000 We need to put, you know, like airport security in to get the mall.
01:56:16.000 They said, oh, we have non-invasive scanning systems that will scan your body and your face.
01:56:22.000 Again, and Paul Watson wrote a comment on this, says this is what Alex has been warning us about for years, the beta test of the invasive Big Brother technology, first in airports to acclimatize people to it, then they expand it and apply it to everything, this is why biometric thumb scanners have been going in everywhere from grocery stores to theme parks, the police state control grid is gearing up to envelop every aspect of your life.
01:56:49.000 And then it gets into it, You know, all these people on the news last night, nationally and locally, I love it, we need it, it's good.
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01:57:12.000 And after that, people are dumping motor oil, that's a serious crime now in Texas, how to report them.
01:57:17.000 I mean, I'm watching this big brother after big brother after big brother, Bam!
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01:57:27.000 I mean, this stuff has accelerated so much, people.
01:57:32.000 We'll take your calls, there's a mountain of news, I've spent most of the show on these other issues of the forced drugging, but we'll get to all your calls, just there's so much, people.
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02:00:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:00:09.000 Alright, the next guest we got coming on is only coming on for 15-20 minutes.
02:00:12.000 We're going to get to all your calls.
02:00:15.000 Mike Machina.
02:00:17.000 He's an editorial cartoonist.
02:00:18.000 The FBI says that he's lying about Bush and is threatening him to stop.
02:00:23.000 Paul, part of the New Freedom.
02:00:24.000 There's all this news about if you don't answer cops' questions in your house, in your backyard, on the street, that's basically terrorism.
02:00:31.000 It's a felony.
02:00:32.000 No Fifth Amendment, publicly.
02:00:34.000 I mean, this is the new America, people!
02:00:37.000 The new America!
02:00:39.000 Uh, it's just, it's, tyranny, it's here, it's here, okay?
02:00:43.000 It's here.
02:00:44.000 They're behind the terrorism to scare you to accept it, has nothing to do with terror.
02:00:48.000 The news is like Orwellian running man, brave new world propaganda.
02:00:53.000 But right now, let's go back to the calls, quickly callers.
02:00:56.000 Rick in Florida, you're on the air, go ahead.
02:00:59.000 Hello?
02:00:59.000 Yes sir.
02:01:00.000 Yeah, I had a quick comment for you Alex, actually two.
02:01:03.000 Uh, one was that, uh, I don't know if you remember a while back in the Northeast they had huge insurance pikes for the doctors at the hospitals.
02:01:13.000 And I looked into this and I found out that the greatest increases in insurance payment was in radiology, emergency medicine, and child medicine.
02:01:24.000 And so I look at this and I say, well who's got the motive here?
02:01:28.000 And the people getting paid are basically the insurance companies, the pharmaceutical manufacturers, And the hospital.
02:01:36.000 The people who are paying out are the consumers and the doctors.
02:01:39.000 That's how the scam works.
02:01:42.000 Doctors are paid about half what they were 20 years ago.
02:01:45.000 And nurses are paid even less.
02:01:48.000 And now you can't sue the HMOs.
02:01:50.000 I mean, there's some Byzantine process to sue an HMO now, but it's very hard to do.
02:01:54.000 So it's just like what you were saying about these international, global corporations that pretty much run in the whole And also, the second comment was just that I'm kind of a young person.
02:02:05.000 I'm 21.
02:02:06.000 And coming through high school and that sort of thing, I met a lot of people, you know, that were prescribed medicine like Ritalin.
02:02:12.000 They actually put me on Ritalin for a while, but it was adverse effects.
02:02:17.000 And I've seen people on Soma and Zoloft and all that, and I've never seen it help anyone.
02:02:21.000 By the way, there is an antidepressant called Soma now.
02:02:24.000 I mean, what is sick?
02:02:26.000 You know, brave new world here, right in front of us.
02:02:29.000 But I mean, that's, look, they call the snooping system under Total Information Awareness, Matrix.
02:02:35.000 They call one of the drugs Soma.
02:02:37.000 I mean, how?
02:02:38.000 Folks, come on!
02:02:40.000 Come on, they even call it the same thing!
02:02:42.000 How dumb do they think we are?
02:02:44.000 Thanks for the call.
02:02:45.000 Great call, Rick.
02:02:46.000 You can call me back any time, my friend.
02:02:48.000 Charlie and Mask.
02:02:49.000 Charlie, you're on the air.
02:02:50.000 Uh, that's me?
02:02:50.000 Go ahead.
02:02:52.000 Yes, sir.
02:02:54.000 I'm sure it's kind of cut out there.
02:02:55.000 That's okay, go ahead.
02:02:57.000 Yeah, I've got something very interesting here, Alex, tying in with what you were talking about a moment ago, your guest there.
02:03:03.000 First of all, for your listeners, in case they're not aware, how many kids are put on Ritalin, is the school tries to get your kid to put on an IEP, an Individualized Education Program.
02:03:12.000 Yeah, it's 16 million, I mean 6 million children a year are on Ritalin, and then a total number about 10 million on antidepressants now, so 16 million a year.
02:03:22.000 But this is a legacy Clinton left us, the IEP thing.
02:03:25.000 This is one of the main avenues that they get kids on this.
02:03:29.000 And then notice Bush is expanding that.
02:03:31.000 Exactly.
02:03:32.000 But parents need to understand that a lot of times it's not that the schools themselves are evil, you know, on the local level.
02:03:38.000 They're just abiding by policy that comes from outside.
02:03:40.000 Yeah, they're told, here's the policy.
02:03:41.000 And here's the pressure that's put on them.
02:03:44.000 First of all, the more kids that are put on IEPs, that justifies all the payrolls of these special education teachers.
02:03:50.000 Yeah, the school district itself, if they've got a large percentage of mentally ill or disabled children on the rolls, the school district gets major federal bonuses for that.
02:03:50.000 So there's an agenda there.
02:03:59.000 Right, not only that, but now with, you know, most states now, this is going to go national soon, where you have these national uh... curriculum standard that you have to be happy test
02:04:09.000 that you have to take that's close to thousand and and and i'll tell states of
02:04:12.000 the psychiatric end of the year for the doctor right and pushes people
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02:08:01.000 And I know the phones are loaded.
02:08:03.000 We'll go to your calls a little bit later.
02:08:05.000 Just to give you an idea of how bad things are.
02:08:08.000 Every day now.
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02:08:11.000 That may be an exaggeration.
02:08:12.000 Every two days.
02:08:15.000 No, it's gotta be every day.
02:08:16.000 I mean, I see articles where Somebody gets questioned because of a news article they wrote saying the government's corrupt, or a cartoonist gets a visit, or a professor who does art displays exposing biocrops, you know, at the city fair with some petri dishes and the SWAT team hits them because it could be a bioweapon.
02:08:36.000 You know, I mean, I see this every day now.
02:08:41.000 Stories like this.
02:08:44.000 And this is, this particular article is out of the Rocky Mountain News.
02:08:49.000 And it says, uh, FBI visit infuriates irreverent cartoonist Michael Zinn.
02:08:55.000 Zinna is a loud, irreverent, and completely politically incorrect.
02:09:00.000 He is, more than anything, a nasty, extremely irritating thorn in the backside of the very people who have been elected to represent him.
02:09:10.000 All of which is every reason why you should thank God for him.
02:09:13.000 I agree.
02:09:14.000 He has just gotten Off my telephone.
02:09:17.000 My ears are ringing with his anger.
02:09:19.000 And it goes on to talk about how the FBI had just driven away from his warehouse office in Jefferson County Airport.
02:09:26.000 He tells me, having yet again accused him of being a threat to the Republic.
02:09:31.000 And it says, the agent has accused him, he says, of lying.
02:09:34.000 Adding that he might not want to do that again.
02:09:36.000 The stream of vile... And it goes on.
02:09:40.000 If I broke the law, charge me, Michael Zinna says in the phone.
02:09:45.000 I write a column.
02:09:47.000 I stick it to him.
02:09:48.000 Is that a crime now?
02:09:49.000 I will not back down.
02:09:52.000 And the reporter goes on to talk about how he's been harassed by the police, all the things that he has been through.
02:10:05.000 Michael Zinnick cannot stand the people who run Jefferson County, and they have little affection for him.
02:10:05.000 It's just incredible.
02:10:10.000 So when his website ran a cartoon penned by him depicting a mushroom cloud emanating from the Jeffco's headquarters, the FBI soon showed up.
02:10:23.000 And it goes on to get into that.
02:10:29.000 And I've been to the website.
02:10:30.000 I mean, it's pretty tame stuff.
02:10:30.000 I've seen it.
02:10:34.000 But this is the new Freedom, and it isn't the first time that they have come over and harassed him.
02:10:42.000 And so joining us is Mr. Zinna, and it's good to have you on, Michael.
02:10:46.000 In a nutshell, tell us what you've been dealing with.
02:10:50.000 Well, I started this website about six months ago, and I had been involved in a lawsuit with our local officials here in Jefferson County, Colorado, and I was pretty upset.
02:11:03.000 With some of the tactics they were using.
02:11:05.000 I knew that they were lying and that they had doctored evidence and concealed information from me.
02:11:11.000 So I just, throughout the course of this lawsuit, I'd come into possession of a lot of information.
02:11:16.000 I just decided to go public with it.
02:11:18.000 I started the website and I began posting documents about the corruption.
02:11:23.000 What your website shows is a bulldozer running down another town, which we actually then ended up seeing in Colorado.
02:11:29.000 But we know that guy was planted down a year ago.
02:11:32.000 And on top of this, I mean, you show him with Count Dracula teeth, dressed up like dunces, different city officials.
02:11:39.000 I mean, this is pretty tame stuff.
02:11:41.000 Yeah, that's what I thought.
02:11:42.000 I've seen far worse in newspapers, in local newspapers.
02:11:46.000 It's comedy.
02:11:47.000 It's a joke.
02:11:48.000 It's a little bulldozer running into our local county building.
02:11:52.000 And the building falls down and a couple of our county commissioners are hidden there in bed together.
02:11:57.000 I thought it was funny.
02:11:57.000 I thought it was just a cartoon.
02:11:59.000 But on top of this, what's key here is they didn't come to your office, they say, about that.
02:12:03.000 They came and said to you, uh, hey, you're lying about the corruption in government.
02:12:08.000 You better watch it.
02:12:10.000 Yeah, pretty much.
02:12:11.000 They tried to intimidate me into keeping my mouth shut.
02:12:15.000 So how many visits have you gotten and who have you been visited by?
02:12:17.000 Four total.
02:12:18.000 Uh, Joint Terrorism Task Force.
02:12:21.000 Which is run by the FBI.
02:12:23.000 And what do they say to you when they're there?
02:12:25.000 Oh, you know, they talk about my intentions and who I talk to and what I'd like to do.
02:12:31.000 And people don't think my humor is funny.
02:12:33.000 And I said, well, maybe you don't have a sense of humor.
02:12:35.000 I don't know.
02:12:35.000 I think it's funny.
02:12:36.000 I get 100,000 hits a month.
02:12:38.000 Apparently somebody thinks it's funny.
02:12:40.000 Oh, so now they don't think it's funny?
02:12:43.000 Yeah.
02:12:46.000 What was the first visit you got from these people?
02:12:48.000 The first visit was an FBI agent sat down next to me at a public meeting.
02:12:52.000 I go to all of our public meetings here in Jefferson County, and he sat down next to me at a meeting and asked me to come talk to him.
02:12:59.000 You know, I have a SWAT team at a zoning meeting sitting down on the sides of me, sort of bumping into me.
02:13:04.000 Well, they basically follow me around.
02:13:06.000 How long ago was this?
02:13:08.000 This was in March of this year.
02:13:10.000 So they were coming around bugging you about stuff a long time ago?
02:13:16.000 That's correct.
02:13:17.000 Okay.
02:13:19.000 So the first time they come in and sit down by, what did he say?
02:13:22.000 He said, people have some concerns over the Mushroom Cloud cartoon that you put on your website.
02:13:25.000 I said, well maybe they need to read the article.
02:13:29.000 And he goes, he says to me, well I'm not concerned about the article, I'm concerned about the cartoon.
02:13:34.000 And I said, the cartoon?
02:13:36.000 It's an illustration of the article.
02:13:37.000 Did you read the article?
02:13:38.000 The article had nothing to do with property destruction or violence.
02:13:42.000 The article was about a certified public accountant who worked for the county, who sued the county.
02:13:48.000 And the headline was, such and such person nukes the county.
02:13:53.000 Nukes the fifth floor where the executive offices are.
02:13:55.000 Had nothing to do with violence.
02:13:57.000 Had to do with a lawsuit.
02:13:59.000 Nuking them, bringing them down with a lawsuit.
02:14:01.000 It's like info war.
02:14:03.000 When I talk about info war, that doesn't mean physical war.
02:14:06.000 Exactly.
02:14:06.000 So I said, nukes, the fifth floor.
02:14:09.000 And the whole story was about a lawsuit.
02:14:12.000 And they thought the cartoon was a credible threat.
02:14:15.000 And so now you've had three other visits.
02:14:17.000 What happened in the second, third, and fourth?
02:14:19.000 Well, when the agent sat down next to me at the first meeting, he asked to come out and visit my office.
02:14:25.000 And we made an appointment for two days later.
02:14:27.000 I said, sure, I'll have my attorney there.
02:14:28.000 No problem.
02:14:29.000 You're welcome to come around.
02:14:30.000 So two days later, he showed up five hours early with another agent and a bomb dog.
02:14:37.000 And, uh, he came through my property.
02:14:39.000 Well, I wouldn't have let him in!
02:14:40.000 Well, he, he, he came and I, I work at a, like a warehouse airplane hangar complex.
02:14:45.000 He came through several, several of my buildings to get to my office, which is all the way in the back.
02:14:50.000 Tried to gain access to my office.
02:14:51.000 I said, Hey, what are you guys doing here?
02:14:53.000 You're five hours early.
02:14:54.000 And they said, well, we got some other bad guys to catch.
02:14:56.000 We want to talk to you right now.
02:14:57.000 I said, no, there's nobody here.
02:14:59.000 My attorney's not here.
02:15:00.000 Yeah, you set an appointment.
02:15:01.000 We set an appointment.
02:15:02.000 You're five hours early.
02:15:03.000 I'm more than happy to let you in, but you can't come in unescorted.
02:15:07.000 And they said, well, now you're making us real nervous because you won't let us in.
02:15:10.000 Yeah, because you want to witness, because you want to protect yourself.
02:15:13.000 Exactly.
02:15:14.000 I mean, this is an FBI in Boston caught running the hitman.
02:15:17.000 I mean, they've been caught in Texas doing it.
02:15:19.000 You've got to watch them.
02:15:20.000 Right.
02:15:21.000 So I just wanted witnesses there, and they got all perturbed about that and wanted to bring the bomb dog in.
02:15:26.000 And I said, bomb dog for what?
02:15:29.000 I drew a cartoon.
02:15:30.000 What are you guys talking about?
02:15:31.000 So basically, I shined them on.
02:15:34.000 We went running around for about 20 minutes.
02:15:35.000 They wouldn't give up.
02:15:37.000 But eventually they had to leave.
02:15:39.000 Well, good job for you.
02:15:40.000 So the third visit?
02:15:44.000 The third visit was when we were actually scheduled.
02:15:46.000 They came out, a couple more agents, actually brought the bomb dog again.
02:15:51.000 They sniffed my entire office complex.
02:15:53.000 The place came up totally clean.
02:15:55.000 They said, OK, you're good.
02:15:56.000 You won't hear from us again.
02:15:58.000 I said, OK, that's great.
02:15:59.000 And then just last week, they showed up for the fourth time when I put the bulldozer cartoon on the website and said, we don't think that's funny.
02:16:08.000 Not which I thought was funny.
02:16:09.000 Ironically.
02:16:10.000 So where was the bulldozer cartoon originally?
02:16:14.000 Because you said they were there the first time over the bulldozer cartoon.
02:16:16.000 No, they were there the first time over the mushroom cloud cartoon.
02:16:20.000 Okay, because it looks like a mushroom cloud with a bulldozer.
02:16:22.000 Yeah, we had Mr. Hemeyer You know, engage in his little, uh, his tirade, his property destruction tirade.
02:16:29.000 I thought the, uh, bulldozer cartoon was kind of appropriate, so... Oh, so you did that after the... I did that after the Heemeyer rampage, yeah.
02:16:35.000 Yeah, obviously, so... Uh, so now you got a fourth visit.
02:16:39.000 I got the fourth visit after the bulldozer cartoon.
02:16:41.000 They said, we don't think that's funny.
02:16:42.000 I said, I thought it was really funny.
02:16:44.000 So, they didn't like that, and that's when they started accusing me of lying to federal agents and...
02:16:49.000 And things like that.
02:16:50.000 Well, that's the new thing now.
02:16:51.000 They claim something you said was a lie.
02:16:53.000 Not answering their questions, federal or state now, is a lie and is a felony.
02:16:58.000 And I have that in the Associated Press today.
02:16:59.000 So, no Fifth Amendment.
02:17:01.000 So what were they, did they specifically say what you were lying about?
02:17:04.000 Um, apparently this agent had combed through a civil deposition that I had given, um, last year on a completely unrelated case.
02:17:11.000 Uh, he said that I lied about something that literally happened 20 years ago.
02:17:15.000 And it was an extremely minor issue.
02:17:18.000 And I said, you know what?
02:17:19.000 I didn't lie.
02:17:20.000 If I misstated it, then I misstated it.
02:17:21.000 It happened 20 years ago.
02:17:23.000 Why are you here?
02:17:24.000 That was 20 years ago.
02:17:26.000 Is that why you came out here?
02:17:28.000 And then he said, well, you lied to me last time I was out here.
02:17:32.000 You lied to me about where you live.
02:17:35.000 And I said, well, why do you care where I live, first of all?
02:17:37.000 And second of all, I'm pretty sure I didn't lie to you.
02:17:40.000 Because if I did, you wouldn't just be here as a courtesy call.
02:17:43.000 You'd be here slapping cuffs on me.
02:17:45.000 Lying to them now?
02:17:47.000 Lying to them?
02:17:48.000 Boy, why hadn't Bill Clinton arrested or George Bush about the weapons of mass destruction?
02:17:52.000 I mean, are they God?
02:17:53.000 They claim something's a lie?
02:17:54.000 You lied to the Inquisitor?
02:17:56.000 Yeah, and you gotta remember, this is all about a cartoon.
02:17:58.000 A couple of cartoons.
02:18:00.000 So where does it stand now?
02:18:01.000 I mean, obviously now it's in the newspaper.
02:18:03.000 They don't like that.
02:18:05.000 Well, um, the website is going haywire.
02:18:07.000 That's pretty much where it stands, and I'm working on a lawsuit against them.
02:18:11.000 For harassing me, as well as the county officials that put him up to this.
02:18:16.000 So, I'm certainly not going to take it lying down.
02:18:18.000 I don't appreciate these people coming after me for simply stating my opinion.
02:18:22.000 And by the way, I've written almost a hundred stories on this lawsuit, or excuse me, on this website.
02:18:27.000 I've never been sued.
02:18:28.000 Everything I print is factual.
02:18:29.000 It's either factual or satire.
02:18:32.000 So, there's really nothing they can do about it except try to intimidate me.
02:18:35.000 Well, you better watch yourself.
02:18:37.000 I mean, they don't sound that bad.
02:18:39.000 They don't sound like the Boston FBI agents, you know, because if they were the bad guys, you know, the dog would have found something.
02:18:45.000 So they're probably just being ordered, you know, through the mayor, hey, you know, feds, go put some heat on this guy.
02:18:52.000 But who knows what's really going on.
02:18:53.000 I just know it's your First Amendment right, and you haven't done anything wrong, and I've looked at what you've done, and it's just...
02:18:59.000 And we're on, what, four stations in Colorado, so I hope that people are aware of this and visit your website.
02:19:05.000 Yeah, the website is called jeffcoexposed.com, and I also own the domain name coloradoexposed.com, which I'm working on a couple of stories for that as well.
02:19:15.000 What type of stuff do you expose?
02:19:17.000 Uh, corruption by elected officials and government workers.
02:19:20.000 Oh, that, that, that, government never did anything wrong, that's impossible!
02:19:23.000 No, it's the best, uh, best government money can buy.
02:19:25.000 Uh, exactly.
02:19:26.000 I mean, anybody that says government never did anything wrong is just, I don't know, big brother loves us.
02:19:33.000 Okay, well Michael Zena, thank you so much for joining us, and I support your First Amendment right.
02:19:39.000 My pleasure, sir.
02:19:40.000 Take care.
02:19:40.000 You bet.
02:19:41.000 Take care.
02:19:41.000 All right, we'll come back.
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02:24:19.000 It's the new freedom of slavery.
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02:24:23.000 But we were talking to, I believe it was Charlie, and he was bringing up the drugging of the children, and how they get this done in the schools, and how they're now expanding it.
02:24:35.000 Finish up what you were saying, sir.
02:24:37.000 Yeah, just to recap, not only are schools pressuring parents to have their kids put on an IEP because it means more federal funding, they're also afraid that they might lose the funding they're already getting because of these standardized tests.
02:24:50.000 How it works is, if the school has a certain percentage of students that fail the test at the end of the year, the government is threatened that they will actually cut off their funding.
02:24:58.000 So there's this push now to get as many kids on an IEP as possible.
02:25:01.000 Yeah, they list them as mentally ill, or as mildly retarded, or as a learning disability, and then now you've got some schools where I've seen some where 40% are classified like this, so now it doesn't matter if they can't pass the federal test, and the feds have designed it all like this, and they take our money, take it to Washington, send it back, and federalize the schools.
02:25:21.000 Finish your comments.
02:25:22.000 Okay, just so parents know.
02:25:24.000 We're going to read a quote.
02:25:26.000 We got a lot of calls here.
02:25:28.000 Okay, I'm sorry.
02:25:30.000 Okay, this is from a brochure called the Parents' Rights Brochure.
02:25:32.000 This is sent out any time parents are pushing them to get the kids under 90.
02:25:37.000 Under a subsection called Providing Your Written Consent, it says this.
02:25:40.000 Absolutely incredible.
02:25:42.000 It says, once you have consented to an initial placement in a special education program, if you refuse to provide consent to any subsequent Uh, actions related to special education.
02:25:53.000 The school district cannot use your refusal to consent as a basis to deny you!
02:25:59.000 Yeah, I've seen those.
02:26:05.000 Send me a copy of that, if you would.
02:26:08.000 That'd be really nice of you, my friend.
02:26:10.000 And this is a contract.
02:26:12.000 It's a sharecropper's contract, or an indentured servant's contract, waiving all your rights.
02:26:16.000 It's like a few years ago, Smith & Wesson, on the Second Amendment, as you tried to get all their dealers And distributors have signed a contract saying, and it said on the last page, that you have all rights and perpetuity and accept any regulation of Smith & Wesson or the BATF.
02:26:30.000 Yeah, so you're literally giving over your authority as a parent to the school.
02:26:33.000 And parents, I don't even know if they read this, but if they do, I don't see how they can't.
02:26:36.000 Well, I know this.
02:26:38.000 When I was a senior in high school, when they started this mental illness testing, all the seniors I got sent down, you know, for a couple hours a day for a week to be tested, and my parents were never notified that I had electrodes hooked up to my head and was looking at this computer screen.
02:26:56.000 I mean, that's the new freedom, seeing the new programs called New Freedom.
02:26:58.000 Thanks for the call.
02:27:00.000 Really good points, Charlie.
02:27:01.000 I hope you'll send that to me.
02:27:02.000 Yeah, I was aware of that, but I'd seen it in news articles, but I'd like to have a copy of that.
02:27:05.000 Yeah, you and your child will have all your rights.
02:27:07.000 You will do what we say.
02:27:09.000 You will take the drugs we say.
02:27:10.000 You will go on drug testing.
02:27:12.000 And now your child in Austin, we have this newscast, I've heard it many times on local TV.
02:27:19.000 If your child is late to class three times, that's truancy.
02:27:22.000 And we have the judge going, I'm putting you on drugs now.
02:27:25.000 Or you're going to have to go on drug testing.
02:27:28.000 Or you're going to juvie for a week.
02:27:29.000 You sign the form over to them.
02:27:31.000 Now you're on probation for being late to class three times when the state law says truancy is fourteen absences.
02:27:38.000 I mean, it's not even a law.
02:27:40.000 They just say, I'm going to get you in trouble if you don't sign here.
02:27:43.000 You sign there and it's, ha ha ha, I have you.
02:27:47.000 You know, it's like in 1984 when, or no, it's Animal Farm, where they're loading the horse up in the glue truck.
02:27:53.000 Or taking the horse to see the doctor.
02:27:55.000 Just sign the contract.
02:27:56.000 Once you sign the contract, they slap the door shut and take you to the glue factory.
02:28:00.000 I mean, it's just nuts, man.
02:28:01.000 It's so evil, the average person just is so gullible, they can't believe this.
02:28:05.000 Thank you for the call, Charles.
02:28:07.000 Charlie.
02:28:08.000 William in Florida.
02:28:09.000 Thanks for holding, go ahead.
02:28:12.000 He just dropped as I was going to him.
02:28:13.000 That's classic.
02:28:14.000 Rod in Colorado.
02:28:15.000 Rod, you're on the air.
02:28:18.000 Yes, sir.
02:28:19.000 Rod, you're on the air.
02:28:20.000 Oh, okay.
02:28:21.000 I'm Charlie and whatever it is in Florida.
02:28:23.000 Go ahead, sir.
02:28:23.000 That's okay.
02:28:24.000 Okay.
02:28:25.000 Hey, let me give you some straight scoop.
02:28:27.000 My son works for this company, uh, Fiberonics in Houston and makes this, uh, Vegas tap that controls the, uh, viscera for the, uh, prevention of the, uh, um, what do you call it?
02:28:41.000 The spasms?
02:28:42.000 Epilepsy, but now it's going to be used for depression.
02:28:45.000 Well, that's a follow on.
02:28:45.000 Yeah.
02:28:46.000 That's the, Let me give you my son's number there, and you can talk directly to somebody that works for the company.
02:28:52.000 We've been trying to get somebody on from the company.
02:28:53.000 All right, let me give you a number.
02:28:54.000 Well, sir, I'll bet you money your son doesn't come on.
02:28:57.000 If the CEO or their public relations person doesn't want to come on, do you think your son's going to go on, or is your son the CEO?
02:29:05.000 No, he works in the advertising department.
02:29:05.000 He'll talk to you.
02:29:08.000 He's a technical writer.
02:29:09.000 But again, it's 281.
02:29:11.000 Well, we can't give your son's number out on air, sir.
02:29:14.000 A hundred people will call.
02:29:15.000 It's nice of you to want to give it to us, but let me get it during the break, okay?
02:29:18.000 Okay.
02:29:19.000 Yeah, I don't want to give your son's number out on air.
02:29:23.000 Let me get the number from you during the break, and then we'll come back out of break.
02:29:26.000 Yeah, we'll talk about it.
02:29:29.000 Great.
02:29:29.000 Just stay there, William.
02:29:31.000 Ready to talk.
02:29:32.000 Do it when we get back.
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02:33:26.000 No, I appreciate your time call from Florida, William.
02:33:29.000 I just want to give your son's phone number out on the air, but thanks for giving it to us.
02:33:33.000 Perhaps he'll come on.
02:33:34.000 But you were going to tell us about this brain stimulator wire that basically hooks into the nerves.
02:33:40.000 My name is Rod.
02:33:41.000 My name is Rod from Fort Collins, Colorado.
02:33:43.000 Oh, that's right.
02:33:43.000 It's Rod.
02:33:44.000 I got the names messed up, but go ahead, Rod.
02:33:46.000 My son Dan Loven from Houston.
02:33:50.000 Sir, sir, sir, please, we don't get on the air and give out people's phone numbers and names.
02:33:54.000 Okay, well, I'm not on the air now, right?
02:33:57.000 No, you're on the air, sir.
02:33:58.000 I'm sorry.
02:33:58.000 You're on the air.
02:33:59.000 Okay, well, the system that they're talking about is much like a pacemaker, that you, you know, control your heartbeat.
02:34:07.000 Hello?
02:34:08.000 Yes, sir.
02:34:09.000 And then, uh, this is like a fly-by-wire control system that goes into the vagus nerve, and it's to help people that have these, uh, Oh, epilepsy fits, you know?
02:34:23.000 And some of them have multiple seizures during the day.
02:34:26.000 And they found this to work very effectively.
02:34:29.000 And they've had to work out with a lot of cash and time to get it through the FDA because the pharmaceutical companies have been fighting it.
02:34:39.000 Yeah, they don't want electrical stimulation.
02:34:42.000 No, they want drugs.
02:34:43.000 They want chemicals.
02:34:44.000 That don't work.
02:34:45.000 Okay, so let me just stop you for a second.
02:34:48.000 Okay.
02:34:50.000 All right, and I really appreciate you being a listener in Fort Collins, Colorado, and about Santa Bruta earlier.
02:34:54.000 I'm sorry, I just don't want to give out people's full names and their phone numbers and stuff like that.
02:34:58.000 We're not supposed to do that.
02:34:59.000 Now, obviously a pacemaker or something is used to do something medical.
02:35:06.000 Right.
02:35:07.000 Okay, let me just finish.
02:35:09.000 That's provable.
02:35:10.000 That's demonstratable.
02:35:12.000 Okay?
02:35:13.000 The Army War College Report of 2000 said they are going to sell mind-control wires into the brain brain chips is the term they use
02:35:23.000 by advertising it is like being a pacemaker but that it will bring
02:35:26.000 control obviously the company that you say your son works for
02:35:32.000 developed this for people who have
02:35:34.000 epileptic fits right and the news says that it's done some good
02:35:38.000 that's one thing we're talking about a government that's made tens of
02:35:41.000 millions of people go on Ritalin and Prozac forcing them
02:35:45.000 Now they're going to say it's for depression and use this.
02:35:48.000 And we have government plans saying they want to use this to control the population.
02:35:54.000 Well, the person I talked to said that they found there's an after effect that It does help in depression.
02:36:00.000 Well, what is depression?
02:36:02.000 And there's a whole debate there of the different types of depression.
02:36:06.000 Suicide and crying all the time.
02:36:09.000 The Prozac causes more suicide.
02:36:11.000 I wonder why they give that to us.
02:36:12.000 We don't want Ritalin.
02:36:14.000 We don't want the chemical.
02:36:16.000 I'm talking about on behalf of this wire system.
02:36:21.000 Don't laugh.
02:36:22.000 It can be effective.
02:36:27.000 And, uh, you know, I'm a fan.
02:36:28.000 So it's effective.
02:36:29.000 The schools are going to quote, say your child's depressed.
02:36:32.000 You know, you're, you're 14 year old crying because their girlfriend broke up with them.
02:36:35.000 We'll just put a port in their neck and run a wire into their brain.
02:36:38.000 It's not, it happens to have a good effect on depression because, uh, it just happens to be that way.
02:36:45.000 They're not going to, uh, put it in for people that are depressed.
02:36:51.000 They're going to put it in for people that are epileptic and have these many seizures.
02:36:55.000 You didn't watch the news last week that you just said five minutes ago they're going to start doing it for depression.
02:36:55.000 Sure.
02:37:01.000 You said it has a good effect.
02:37:02.000 You just said they're not.
02:37:03.000 Yeah, it does have, but no one in the company said that they're going to diagnose it or push it for depression.
02:37:09.000 Well, obviously they're not going to be out doing the diagnosis.
02:37:13.000 Hey, listen, I'll try to call your son, and thanks for the call.
02:37:17.000 I know you want to defend your son, and I'm sure your son's a nice guy who's working at the company.
02:37:21.000 And I'm sure that, you know, stuff like this could help somebody with epileptic seizures.
02:37:24.000 Because that's something that's medical, they can show and demonstrate.
02:37:27.000 Okay?
02:37:28.000 But what I'm talking about here is the government says, and the company has sought approval for depression, which they can say everybody's depressed, and they're going to force us to take it because the Army said so four years ago.
02:37:40.000 I'll go off that.
02:37:43.000 Man!
02:37:44.000 Let's go in and talk to Wesley in Tennessee.
02:37:46.000 Wesley, go ahead.
02:37:48.000 Thank you, Alex, for taking my call.
02:37:50.000 How are you today?
02:37:50.000 Okay!
02:37:54.000 While I was listening to all these various commentators today, I had a couple ideas.
02:37:58.000 I would hope that somewhere there would be somebody, some electrical engineer, maybe even a computer hacker, that would be working in a way to counteract the RFIDs Maybe a pharmacist with a conscience that could learn how to compound a drug that would absorb or counteract the drugs that these 17 million kids have got.
02:38:27.000 There's got to be guys out there that have got the intelligence and the skill, wouldn't you think Alex, that could be able to do those kind of things?
02:38:34.000 I mean, number one, you can put an RFID in the microwave and that disables the radio frequency identification chip.
02:38:40.000 We're not trying, though, to disable it.
02:38:41.000 We're trying to stop Walmart and the Defense Department and Homeland Security forcing all manufacturers of all retail goods to put this in.
02:38:49.000 We're trying to stop Michelin from putting it in all their tires, which has already started.
02:38:53.000 We're trying to stop, we're trying to educate the people about the control grid.
02:38:57.000 You know, it's not how to get kids around being forcibly tested in the schools to see if they're, quote, mentally ill.
02:39:03.000 Every man, woman, and child, Bush is now talking about, not just children.
02:39:07.000 It's about exposing that as Big Brother, exposing how Big Pharma runs it, and stopping the program itself dead in its tracks.
02:39:14.000 I agree wholeheartedly, but what I'm trying to get across, I guess, Alex, Well, it's real simple.
02:39:20.000 that you know in order to do that this isn't going to happen overnight and we
02:39:23.000 may need stopgap measures while we're still continuing to battle this and
02:39:28.000 fight this fight it wouldn't hurt to have a stopgap measure to take care of
02:39:33.000 the ones that are going to be compromised. Well it's real simple, 15% of our population is not mentally ill and doesn't
02:39:39.000 need to be put on you know amphetamines and psychotropics. Yeah well absolutely I mean
02:39:44.000 whatever I mean, you know that's actually the best job in the world?
02:39:46.000 A psychiatrist?
02:39:47.000 What other job could you think of where you can make up a disease and then be the only one to have the cure for it and be able to name your own price?
02:39:57.000 It's like owning a premium car.
02:39:59.000 And to run the test in the school where you have to buy the expensive drugs from them that make you drool in the corner.
02:40:05.000 Thanks for the call, Wesley.
02:40:06.000 Great points.
02:40:07.000 Ron in New York.
02:40:08.000 Ron, go ahead.
02:40:11.000 Alex, do I have a couple of minutes to make this point here?
02:40:17.000 Go ahead, sir.
02:40:19.000 Last night, Pat Robertson had a guest on from the Weekly Standard, and he wrote a book called The Connection, affirming the ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda, and said, quote, and the potential connection between 9-11 and Iraq, It's hard for Christians out here to believe that this media leader, Matt Robertson, had a guest on for the purpose of agreeing with that guest to back up the monumental lies told by the administration to get us into the war in Iraq.
02:41:00.000 Well, I mean, what lies?
02:41:01.000 Bush says the biggest blanket amnesty ever of 20 million people he proposes is not an amnesty.
02:41:09.000 So, you have to learn.
02:41:11.000 You have to learn that Rumsfeld says he never said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
02:41:14.000 It doesn't matter if we all saw him say it a hundred times, and he's on video a hundred times.
02:41:18.000 He says he never said it.
02:41:20.000 So we've got to learn to believe the lie, or we're not Christians, sir.
02:41:23.000 Yeah, and the point here is that the continuation of these lies, after the fact, resulting in the scores of dead and maimed young Americans.
02:41:32.000 Enough said.
02:41:34.000 Pat Robertson, at the end of this interview, said I wish the established media would get it right for a change and stop telling lies?
02:41:47.000 Who is lying here?
02:41:49.000 Well that's what Limbaugh and Hannity Every Child Needs a Chip Hannity says is that why won't the liberal media report this?
02:41:57.000 They want to that all the weapons of mass destruction have been found?
02:42:00.000 And why won't Bush say it?
02:42:02.000 Well, Bush has said it and it always turns out to be a lie.
02:42:06.000 And the liberal media, it was the New York Times with the aluminum tubes and the Niger uranium and the mobile weapons trucks.
02:42:11.000 It's been the liberal media lying for them.
02:42:13.000 And so there's like this double psychological game where they keep re-announcing they found it and back page admitting it wasn't found.
02:42:21.000 You know, I mean, it's probably been 15 times they find mortar shells that turn out not to be sarin or whatever.
02:42:27.000 It doesn't matter, though.
02:42:27.000 There are hundreds of admitted found sites with U.S.
02:42:30.000 markings on it, with U.N.
02:42:32.000 tags hanging off of it, and then they're ordered to tear it up and ship it out, and then they go, oh, look, they're shipping out the, you know, the aluminum out of the country.
02:42:39.000 It's just, thanks for the call.
02:42:42.000 Look, Ron, I get frustrated.
02:42:45.000 I get overwhelmed.
02:42:46.000 I get irritated.
02:42:47.000 And not with the callers.
02:42:48.000 It's just that It's just so incredible.
02:42:52.000 What I do when people start trying to give out folks' home phone numbers on the air, I just... I mean, look, I saw Ridge two years ago, now two and a half years ago, months before he got funding, say, you're going to have to have a card to have a job, levels of security, bad credit, you can't have certain types of jobs, we're going to have security on the streets, military on the streets, you know, I'd like to see security in all the malls and in the trains and everywhere.
02:43:22.000 I mean, I've got him on tape.
02:43:24.000 And then here they are piecemeal coming out and saying, oh, to get on any of the ferries, you know, random vehicle ferry searches to resume.
02:43:30.000 Associated Press, random searches of vehicles bordering Washington State ferries will resume next month as part of a new plan for increased security under orders from U.S.
02:43:39.000 Coast Guard.
02:43:40.000 And it shows a guy that looks like a Nazi or something out of 1984, you know, searching all the vehicles.
02:43:45.000 And of course, they never find terrorists, but they find drugs, or they find open beer.
02:43:49.000 You know, just, well, it's crime.
02:43:50.000 We've got to get you in our system.
02:43:52.000 And then one of the New York lawmakers is demanding better security at the nation's shopping malls in the wake of last week's revelation about terrorist plot to bomb an Ohio shopping center.
02:44:03.000 Schumer wants airport screening technology in malls.
02:44:07.000 Schumer made this announcement yesterday morning.
02:44:09.000 And by the night time, I looked at different websites around the country, including Austin.
02:44:13.000 Local news channels were interviewing local FBI going, yes, we must have it.
02:44:17.000 You must be searched to enter and leave the mall.
02:44:19.000 We've got a terrorist about to hit us in a minute.
02:44:22.000 I mean, it was just, it's going to be everywhere.
02:44:25.000 Goons in black uniforms searching you everywhere.
02:44:28.000 And you better answer their questions.
02:44:31.000 Because, you know, they've now come out, the Supreme Court, And they said that you've got to answer their questions.
02:44:39.000 That if a cop, you know, in your house, anywhere, wants you to answer questions, that it is a felony not to answer those questions.
02:44:50.000 Again, this is KABC and also the Associated Press here in front of me.
02:44:55.000 One lawyer says the government will now be able to turn a person's silence into a criminal offense.
02:45:00.000 A sharply divided Supreme Court has ruled 5-4 that Americans have no constitutional right to keep quiet.
02:45:05.000 And it says, privacy rights advocates say the ruling essentially opens a can of worms, forcing people who haven't done anything wrong to give information that can be used in broad data searches.
02:45:14.000 The head of the Electronic Privacy Information Center says the modern age means police get an extraordinary look at someone's private life simply by getting their identification.
02:45:25.000 But the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation says officers will only be able to demand ID from people suspected of criminal involvement.
02:45:33.000 And it says the case involved a Nevada rancher who was arrested after refusing multiple requests to give an officer his name.
02:45:38.000 He wasn't in his car, folks.
02:45:40.000 He was on his property.
02:45:42.000 I was like an 80-year-old World War II vet and he was demanding he answer all the questions and the guy refused.
02:45:48.000 And it wasn't what his name was.
02:45:49.000 The ruling says it's more than just your name.
02:45:52.000 It's answer my questions.
02:45:54.000 And again, this is the national ID card.
02:45:55.000 We have federal specced, federal controlled ID cards and driver's license.
02:46:02.000 And you're going to have to have it to buy and sell, the government says.
02:46:05.000 You're going to have to swipe it under the new national sales tax.
02:46:09.000 And they say you've got to answer their questions.
02:46:10.000 Now the police for years in Austin arrest you as you walk your dog.
02:46:14.000 I was almost arrested one time walking back from a store in broad daylight, you know, with some ice cream and Gatorade.
02:46:20.000 50 yards from my apartment door.
02:46:22.000 This was like 10 years ago.
02:46:24.000 I've told the story before.
02:46:25.000 I said, are you looking for somebody who looks like me?
02:46:27.000 He went, well no, what's your name?
02:46:28.000 What's your apartment?
02:46:29.000 I told him.
02:46:29.000 I'm like, what do you want?
02:46:30.000 Hey, we could arrest you, buddy, for not having your ID on you.
02:46:33.000 You gotta have that to leave your house.
02:46:35.000 And I was like, really?
02:46:36.000 Well, the Supreme Court in the past has said you didn't have to do that.
02:46:39.000 Failure to ID was unconstitutional.
02:46:42.000 But now you see, oh, now it is good.
02:46:44.000 So you see where that's going.
02:46:47.000 You can't be in your backyard without an ID.
02:46:49.000 You can't be in your home without an ID.
02:46:52.000 And I guess if it was good in Nazi Germany, it's good here.
02:46:57.000 So, there you have it.
02:47:00.000 I mean, what happened to us as a country, as a people?
02:47:06.000 But, as a citizen, I have a thumb scanning and a driver's license.
02:47:09.000 Almost all states have it now.
02:47:12.000 But if I'm an illegal alien from Latin America, I have a special federal waiver where I don't have to thumb scan when I come in biometrically.
02:47:18.000 Remember that a few months ago?
02:47:20.000 But if I leave the country, I have to as a citizen, or to get a driver's license or ID card, I have to have it.
02:47:24.000 I mean, I watch illegals at the bank, get bank accounts with no ID, but I gotta show three forms of ID at my own bank.
02:47:31.000 This is the freedom.
02:47:32.000 I talked to my friend who runs the biggest apartment complex in Austin, works for the biggest property management company in the nation.
02:47:41.000 Last Christmas, she was at the big board meeting, big meeting up in Dallas, and they said, look, we're secretly been taken over by the feds, we don't have to pay taxes anymore, one-third of our properties, and that means unit by unit, not just whole properties, is city housing, government housing, so illegals, foreigners are allowed to have ten to a one-bedroom, literally, we don't care.
02:48:03.000 But then we want you to crack down on citizens, even if they have people visiting, fine them and kick them out.
02:48:11.000 We want to make room for the foreigners.
02:48:13.000 I mean, she was telling me this!
02:48:15.000 She was at the meeting!
02:48:16.000 Do you understand?
02:48:17.000 It's like Bush says, we need to accelerate exporting jobs, it's our number one export, it's good.
02:48:24.000 Fast food jobs are now industrial jobs.
02:48:27.000 You know, again, it's 1984.
02:48:29.000 It's up is down, down is up, black is white, white is black.
02:48:35.000 I just have to argue with one more yuppie about this.
02:48:39.000 You know, I talk about how every day I see articles where they're going after people for their free speech.
02:48:46.000 This is out of a smoking gun on grudge.
02:48:49.000 FBI probing anti-Bush teddy bear.
02:48:53.000 Plush toy, and it goes on to say It's a white teddy bear, and it says Bush with an American flag off the side of it, and it says, kills Arab babies.
02:49:04.000 And the FBI doesn't know if this is allowed to say bad things about the President.
02:49:08.000 I mean, I've got the article.
02:49:09.000 The federal judge saw it, demanded an investigation.
02:49:14.000 You know, I mean, actually, there's another one in the stack here.
02:49:17.000 So I'm wrong.
02:49:18.000 It isn't every day.
02:49:18.000 I have three of these today.
02:49:20.000 Let me find the other one.
02:49:22.000 I mean, it's just bonkers, la-la, ga-ga, uh, you know, we're gonna put wires into your brains so you're not depressed, every child and adult's gonna be tested, you're gonna go on anti-psychotics, that if you show propensity to maybe be mentally ill, you know, we're just... The U.N.
02:49:39.000 says the terror threat's real, London Evening Standard, we're gonna get nuked any minute, give up all your freedoms, Iran did seize U.K.
02:49:47.000 vessels and crew and they may charge them, major escalation there, Kuwait sends back truck carrying radioactive material out of Kuwait City.
02:49:56.000 Kuwait refused to allow a radioactive material bound truck to enter the country as demanded by the U.S.
02:50:00.000 Army.
02:50:00.000 Kuwait Times reported.
02:50:02.000 Caught him trying to ship in weapons of mass destruction.
02:50:06.000 Kerry looks like he's going to choose John Edwards, who was at the Bilderberg Group meeting two weeks ago.
02:50:10.000 We predicted he'd be his VP running mate.
02:50:11.000 We'll see if that happens.
02:50:13.000 Iraqi leader says, yes, I will not rule out martial law.
02:50:16.000 Martial law is good to protect the freedom of the Iraqis.
02:50:18.000 I actually said that.
02:50:19.000 To protect freedom, we must have martial law.
02:50:21.000 Okay?
02:50:22.000 It's like New Freedom drugging you.
02:50:25.000 Unbelievable, here.
02:50:27.000 Spanish police arrest five Muslims as crowds accuse Anzar of cover-up, saying that they're covering up the government may have been involved in Madrid bombings at Sunday Herald.
02:50:40.000 I'll come back to just news blitz for the rest of the broadcast.
02:50:42.000 It's coming down hard and heavy.
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02:51:13.000 You see them here with their hands cupped behind their backs.
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02:53:55.000 Folks, there are literally thousands of crimes.
02:54:03.000 Industrialized, mechanized.
02:54:06.000 We have government documents where they explain how to break up our families, how to drug us, how to enslave us, how to imprison us.
02:54:13.000 They laugh at us.
02:54:14.000 They call their federal snooping system at the state level the Matrix.
02:54:19.000 You know, they put out an antidepressant called Soma.
02:54:22.000 They laugh at us!
02:54:23.000 It's sick!
02:54:24.000 It's sick!
02:54:26.000 They're evil people!
02:54:28.000 And to see them breaking America down at an accelerated rate, just unraveling this country, to see them dismantling and setting up an ultimate tyranny makes me so very angry.
02:54:45.000 And then just all the silliness, all the stupidness, You know, they invent all these crazy stupid rights, these cartoon clown rights, and then ignore all of our base rights, and the government runs around talking about how loving they are, and how helpful they are, and how they're going to take good care of us, how good they are, and how government never did anything wrong, and how they love you, and how the men in black ski masks are going to keep you safe, and, oh, don't mind the armored vehicles, and we're not just getting armored vehicles now, we're getting, we're getting treaded tanks for your town!
02:55:17.000 And we're building emergency detention centers for the mass of you.
02:55:20.000 And we're going to put implants in you that time-release antidepressants if you don't want to take them and put wires into your brain.
02:55:25.000 And we're putting fluoride in your water, but it's good for you to drink more.
02:55:28.000 You'll be one of us soon.
02:55:30.000 Then I get this news out of Bangkok, Thailand.
02:55:34.000 Local 10 reported on it out of Miami.
02:55:37.000 Transvestites get their own school bathroom.
02:55:39.000 Transvestites at the Thai vocational school are getting a room of their own.
02:55:42.000 Their own restroom.
02:55:44.000 The Pink Lotus Bathroom is for the exclusive use of the 15 transvestite students at the Technology School from Bangkok.
02:55:52.000 And it goes on to say they must be given their own rights.
02:55:55.000 And then they're going to let transvestites, men, into the Olympics to compete against women, going, no, they're women!
02:56:01.000 They're women!
02:56:02.000 Oh, no, they say they're women.
02:56:04.000 That's like the old Russian women were on steroids with the hairy arms.
02:56:07.000 No, they're not really women.
02:56:08.000 Because they're on so many steroids.
02:56:10.000 I mean, but, well, this group gets to cheat.
02:56:12.000 Nobody else does because you're a transvestite.
02:56:14.000 You're like God now.
02:56:16.000 And you get to do... I mean, just... But then, we can't say no to Ritalin and Prozac.
02:56:21.000 We don't have rights to not have, you know, be put on all your drugs.
02:56:25.000 You're going to test every adult and every child.
02:56:26.000 But if you want to have your own pink bathroom, you know, we can see, we give you all these special rights.
02:56:31.000 Just...
02:56:34.000 Florida woman with human form of mad cow disease dies.
02:56:37.000 This is Reuters.
02:56:38.000 Florida woman suffering from the only known case in the United States of the form of mad cow disease has died.
02:56:44.000 The only known case I've seen probably a hundred times where somebody died.
02:56:47.000 The only known case!
02:56:48.000 It's always the only known case every time I see it!
02:56:51.000 Go look it up!
02:56:54.000 Abducted North Korean in Iraq, still alive.
02:56:56.000 Need to pray for that man.
02:56:57.000 98% chance CIA ops about to cut his poor little head off.
02:57:03.000 I'm out of time, ladies and gentlemen.
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