Alex Jones is joined by Elaine Donnelly, Vicky Karp, Bev Harris, and Dr. David Tennant as they discuss Bush's call for women in front-line combat, the Iraq War, and election fraud.
00:01:10.000And literally, I've heard the neocon saying, you're not a conservative if you're not for it.
00:01:15.000You're not for open borders, if you're not for satellite tracker boxes in your car taxing you, if you're not for national ID cards, if you're not for a doubling in the growth rate of government, you are a liberal, ladies and gentlemen.
00:01:28.000So, while we're against women in frontline combat, I am a commie, ladies and gentlemen, let's just admit it.
00:01:34.000So, Elaine Donnelly will be joining us to talk about this.
00:01:37.000Then, that's just for 30 minutes, coming up in about 30 minutes.
00:01:40.000Then, for the next half of the next hour, we're going to have Dr. Tennant on.
00:01:45.000He's the guy the doctor arrested for complaining too much.
00:01:49.000The Homeland Security even told the Quad City Times he didn't threaten anybody, but complaining too much is an act of terrorism.
00:01:57.000They're charging him and hitting him hard.
00:02:00.000Trying to make sure he spends time under the jail for calling too much.
00:02:07.000They're going to have a big march in downtown Austin this weekend.
00:02:11.000And I've been asked to speak at the Capitol there at the rally.
00:02:15.000I'll be pleased to do that on Sunday at high noon.
00:02:20.000But Vicky Karp will be joining us to talk about some of the election fraud that's been chronicled in the November 2nd election.
00:02:28.000And then in the third hour, Bev Harris, one of the Grand Poobahs, one of the big experts nationally on electronic voting fraud and just the scams that have proliferated across our nation.
00:02:40.000She'll be joining us as well for the second half of the broadcast, almost exclusively on election fraud, though I'll intersperse other key news items throughout that section of the transmission.
00:02:55.000When we get back, though, I want to get into Iraq and the economy and the dollar, and I want to get into the new Patriot Act that was passed to take care of you and your family.
00:03:04.000Large sections of it, according to Ron Paul, who joined us yesterday.
00:03:12.000And I'll be on Pastor Butch Posh broadcast tonight from 8 to 9 Central, exclusively talking about the ID card if you want the full history of it and what it means.
00:03:22.000Here on this same network, the GCN network that I am on.
00:03:29.000And also we will be getting into, well those troops getting up and asking Rumsfeld pointed questions.
00:03:37.000And I wasn't going to cover this yesterday, Until they said, oh, a reporter planted the questions, and so now the questions aren't pertinent.
00:03:48.000You see, embedded reporters aren't allowed to ask questions, and other reporters aren't allowed into these press conferences, so they're staged.
00:03:55.000And so to get around it, he got some of the troops to ask questions.
00:03:59.000They wouldn't have asked the questions if they weren't concerned.
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00:08:30.000One of my friends, a documentary film producer, just got back from a week in Los Angeles, and a lot of people out there knew that he was associated with me, so they'd say, yeah, we're all for this anti-Arnold movement, but Alex Jones He said he got this a lot.
00:08:47.000Needs to get off the Nazi stuff, and get off the steroid stuff, and get off the sexual harassment stuff.
00:08:55.000And he needs to get on to other things, you know.
00:09:25.000On the, I don't know, 20 interviews I've done in California alone the last three weeks since we launched ArnoldExposed.com, Every talk show host, even those that are for what we're doing, say, well, you know, we all heard this during the gubernatorial campaign.
00:10:24.000You see, that's an example of psychology in play there.
00:10:29.000Somebody saying, I don't care if Kurt Volthaim's a Nazi, I love him and I'm going to go campaign for him in the middle of a huge firestorm.
00:10:39.000Or somebody who, you know, these aren't old allegations which he hasn't denied of just randomly grabbing on women.
00:11:37.000That'd be like if somebody robbed a bank and five years later the cops bust them and find the marked bills in their basement and the guy says, hey, it was five years ago.
00:12:48.000If you're upset, you know, here's another example of spin.
00:12:52.000They will tell new candidates for city council, or county commissioner, or state agriculture department, or governor, they'll tell you, don't be negative, be nice, be friendly, be middle of the road, don't bring up hot button issues.
00:13:08.000But then you watch all the candidates that win, the establishment candidates, they run attack ads, they're vicious, they bring up inflammatory issues, because that's how you win.
00:13:20.000But all the while telling you, lay down, lay down, don't be mean, that doesn't work, that doesn't work.
00:13:26.000And you've got all these Monday morning quarterbacks and backseat drivers out there who know nothing about politics but heard something on TV about how they're supposed to be nice.
00:13:37.000And they go, oh, Alex, don't be so aggressive about, you know, the Second Amendment or about the open borders or about, just, just be more reasonable!
00:13:50.000And, you know, they tell people I've known who've been candidates who've lost races, and those that listen to good advice and are vicious win elections if you don't have the electronic voting machines in place, but those that listen to the establishment are just real milquetoast and don't stand out of the crowd and don't affect people and no one remembers them and they lose!
00:15:39.000And then the embedded reporters, who aren't embedded very long, if they ever run a critical article, Aren't allowed to ask questions of Lord Rumsfeld two days ago when he was in Kuwait.
00:16:09.000And so they go up and ask the question and Rumsfeld babbles about and then we go to war with the army we've got, not with the army we want.
00:16:18.000Folks, they could have had all this set up.
00:16:20.000They have this war plan years ago, their own documents.
00:16:22.000But they'd rather have all the money go to Halliburton and others.
00:16:27.000Or for, you know, B-2 bombers, not for armor.
00:16:32.000And so these are, you know, the troops wouldn't get up and imperil.
00:16:35.000These were officers getting up and imperil their careers and do all this, you know, just because some reporter told them something.
00:16:42.000You know, they're so weak-minded that the reporter told them this and put them under mind control.
00:16:47.000This evil communist reporter, as, you know, Rush and others have implied, and then under mind control that they went up there and asked these questions.
00:16:56.000And see, The debate, regardless of where the questions came from, would be, why aren't their vehicles armored?
00:17:04.000Or why are they getting bad food and bad water?
00:17:07.000But see, instead now the whole debate is, oh, this wasn't the troops, it was the reporter.
00:18:47.000You have to look at it across the full spectrum of data.
00:18:51.000But I predicted, I said, when the dollar really starts tanking, and people finally figure out what it means to have a weak dollar, it will be blamed on the Arabs.
00:19:01.000Oh, those dirty Arabs did it by dumping the dollar and investing in Euros.
00:19:06.000Well, the Arabs are a small portion of the Chinese, and the Japanese, and the British, and the Dutch, and the French, and the Germans, all of them, they own the majority of our dollars, not the Arabs.
00:19:20.000And they started the dumping, and our own government said, yes, good dump, we want the dollar to go down.
00:19:26.000But I predicted, I said, you watch, when people finally get stung by this, there'll be a bunch of articles about how the Arabs are doing.
00:19:35.000And, yes indeed, they're now all over the news.
00:19:39.000Because they can't have you blame your own government.
00:19:41.000And they know you won't remember Bush two years ago saying you wanted a weak dollar.
00:19:46.000And then last month, not propping it up.
00:19:48.000So you'll feel good, even as you lose everything you've got, because it'll be them Arabs and you'll look at Bush and love him.
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00:27:04.000Do you remember a couple of months, you had a video posted on, I think it was prisonplan.tv, showing Bush at a news conference where he was saying, give me a second, I'm going to pop it in my head.
00:27:24.000Is there any way you can either repost that somewhere, or just... I tried to do a search for it on JonesReport.com, but I couldn't find it.
00:27:31.000Maybe it's there, I just didn't see it.
00:27:33.000But, man, I just got to have that video again.
00:28:01.000I understand or read somewhere that here in Denver, or actually just over in Aurora, which is a suburb of me, Buckley Air Force Base has a lot of black ops operations going on out there.
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00:35:08.000She's the president of a great organization that deals with military preparedness, the Center for Military Readiness and And remember Bill Clinton?
00:35:20.000He wanted to put women in the military in front-line combat?
00:35:24.000Well, that hasn't stopped with George Bush and conservatives.
00:35:27.000Kind of a no-no to talk about it when Bush is for the assault weapons ban or for open borders or the size of government growth rate doubles.
00:35:45.000Are they for liberty or against liberty?
00:35:47.000And we're basically here to tell you the entire government is overrun with big government pimps.
00:35:53.000And joining us is Elaine Donnelly to talk about the new big move, and it's all over the news, from the Associated Press to Newsmax, to put women in frontline combat!
00:36:03.000So they, I guess, can have their heads chopped off and be raped and tortured.
00:36:07.000It's a horrible idea, and Elaine, good to have you on with us.
00:36:19.000Well, I'll tell you, this is far beyond what we've seen already.
00:36:22.000And let me say at the outset, I do support women in the military and we've certainly admired their courage and bravery in fighting in the war in Iraq.
00:36:30.00030 women have been killed already, 27 in Iraq, 3 more in Afghanistan.
00:36:46.000They're talking about putting women into front line combat as defined historically as units that directly engage the enemy or co-locate with those that do.
00:36:57.000Now, you are probably aware that the Army is undergoing a process of transformation.
00:37:09.000But basically, it's an infantry and armor unit that is combined, and it has its own support company that's with it all the time.
00:37:16.000The plan is to put women into those forward support companies, regardless of the consequences.
00:37:22.000We're talking about primarily enlisted women, women who are not prepared, For the demands of combat, these units have previously been all male.
00:37:30.000This is brand new that they're talking about.
00:37:32.000And it's starting with the 3rd Infantry that's about to be deployed from Fort Stewart, Georgia.
00:37:36.000It's been going on for months, surreptitiously.
00:37:39.000We have countered each one of these plans as they have come up.
00:37:43.000One of them involved a slide presentation made at the Pentagon that said that, well, we have this plan, but it might be looked at as subterfuge.
00:38:17.000There are some generals, especially mid-level generals, who have daughters in the army.
00:38:22.000And they seem to think that this is the way to honor and respect their daughter, and it's just the most ludicrous argument you could ever make.
00:38:29.000Well, let me stop and explain why I was being sarcastic.
00:38:33.000Everyone pulled their hair out, freaked out.
00:38:35.000It was the top issue for many months off and on, for four years, eight years really, of Bill Clinton in office when he was trying all this, and now this is actually happening, and the conservative neocon mouthpieces won't talk about it.
00:38:51.000Well, you know, people need to get in touch with the President.
00:38:55.000They should go to our website first and get all the details.
00:39:46.000I mean, men have always marched off on hunting trips Or on forays of raiding and warfare.
00:39:54.000This is our basic coding and this goes against it.
00:39:59.000Why does the government want to do this?
00:40:01.000Well, as I said, there is no good reason for doing this other than the fact that some bureaucrats apparently didn't appoint or rather recruit enough male soldiers, they're saying.
00:40:10.000So we're going to send off a lot of young women and young mothers to fight our war instead.
00:40:15.000But the case against women in combat that was put together by the Presidential Commission on which I served has many different reasons, and I can boil down the physical issues with only one sentence.
00:40:25.000Well, a woman can't... Listen, listen.
00:40:27.000You know, I was... I weigh 240 pounds.
00:40:30.000And I was in a scene in a movie that's coming out, where this SWAT team takes me out, and these were former professional football players, and a couple of the scenes, in like ten takes, they had trouble picking me up and carrying me and throwing me in a SWAT vehicle.
00:40:44.000Now these are big men, and we've got a lot of big soldiers who weigh more than I do, and I'm sorry!
00:40:49.00098% of women aren't going to be able to pick up a man!
00:40:53.000Yes, well I saw a live fire exercise at Fort Bragg when I was on the Presidential Commission.
00:40:59.000And I saw a male soldier hoist another one over his shoulder, fully loaded, weapons, ammunition, the whole thing, took him off the battlefield.
00:41:06.000Just one soldier carrying another soldier.
00:41:08.000And I said, just out of curiosity, wouldn't you have a stretcher, two soldiers?
00:41:12.000And I asked the question just to find out what they would say.
00:41:14.000And they said, oh no, when you're under fire, you get out of there as fast as you can and you take your buddy with you.
00:41:20.000Well, a woman is at a disadvantage and the man that she would try to carry is probably not going to make it because she won't be able to accomplish that task.
00:41:28.000She doesn't have the physical capability to do it.
00:41:31.000There's also a whole series of social issues as you mentioned.
00:41:37.000Personal relationships do interfere with unit cohesion.
00:41:41.000Bottom line is women don't have an equal opportunity to survive or to help fellow soldiers survive in a combat environment.
00:41:48.000But all of this is being thrown overboard because of some bureaucrats who didn't plan for enough male soldiers And some generals who have daughters in the army.
00:41:56.000I'll tell you, it is really very frightening to see this issue treated as somehow less important because it involves women.
00:42:03.000And yet it's the people who say they're big advocates of women's rights who are treating it as a very, you know, kind of a cavalier, less important thing.
00:42:11.000I'll tell you, if you look at the materials on my website, again, www.cmlink.org, you will see a serious national defense issue involving readiness, morale, discipline.
00:43:11.000But again, the Pentagon and the so-called liberal Washington Post working with Bush, why aren't conservatives screaming bloody murder over this?
00:43:18.000Well, this story just came out yesterday.
00:43:21.000And it wasn't even on the front page of the Washington Times.
00:43:25.000Certainly there was an excellent commentary on National Review Online by McCubbin Owens.
00:44:04.000Basically, you're going to have women in areas like Fallujah, in these bases, and the men are going to be so busy going after them, and so busy in the woodshed, that when they come under attack, it's going to cause higher levels of casualties.
00:44:20.000Well, any way you look at it, this is not going to help those combat units.
00:44:23.000It certainly is not fair to women in the military.
00:44:26.000Did you know that in a series of surveys done by the Army over a period of ten years, every year, they ask the question of enlisted women and men, do you want to be treated exactly like the men in going into combat?
00:44:39.000Ninety percent of the enlisted women are opposed.
00:44:43.000And it's been similar figures for ten years, a whole decade.
00:44:52.000I've read that on ships and in bases, I mean, it's, you know, enough of your privacy to give up to go into the latrine right next to men a foot away.
00:45:04.000But, I mean, I can't imagine for the women and the men having to all be naked around each other, have to be in the bathrooms together.
00:45:11.000I mean, this is, it's degrading, and they're even trying in some public schools to make people go into the same bathroom, and in colleges.
00:45:21.000I mean, this is sickening social engineering.
00:45:24.000Well, again, the military, it's a tough life as it is, and in support units we have some separation of men and women.
00:45:32.000But let's face it, in close combat, infantry, armor, doing what they were doing in Fallujah, uh, privacy?
00:46:10.000And many of the generals who are in positions of authority now pretty much had to implement that philosophy.
00:46:17.000That's why the Army went to co-ed basic training, knowing that it's less efficient, that it's less desirable for both men and women soldiers, and they held on to it even though they should have gotten rid of it a long time ago and had separate gender training like the Marines do.
00:46:31.000But we all heard that this was the evil liberals, and I want to point out that it's Bush and Rumsfeld, and I want people to get that through their heads.
00:46:40.000Well, Mr. Rumsfeld really hasn't spoken on this issue yet, and that's the problem.
00:46:52.000I have requested meetings with certain people to find out.
00:46:56.000As I say, we've managed to resist this for many months, but now they're still going ahead with it anyway.
00:47:01.000There have been briefings made to Congress, which are quoted and analyzed on my website.
00:47:07.000Uh, that show that the Army knows they are violating a law that requires prior notification to Congress.
00:47:14.000They are going ahead with this anyway.
00:47:16.000Uh, the object seems to be to declare the experiment a big success, and then say to Congress, well, we have to do this, and, and, and now we want all the rules to be eliminated.
00:47:26.000So what are they going to do when we get... It's a groupthink mindset, and it's quite alarming.
00:47:30.000Okay, so out of 1,000 plus dead troops, 30 of them are women.
00:47:32.000What are they going to do as those numbers get higher and higher?
00:47:35.000Well, I'll tell you, it's a tragedy when any of our soldiers die, but when you cause more soldiers to die because of poor planning, because of personnel policies that make no sense, that is indefensible.
00:47:48.000And yet these Pentagon bureaucrats, as I say, they seem to have bought into this gender-free military notion that was so big in the Clinton years.
00:47:55.000Somebody needs to give them a strong reality check.
00:47:59.000But somebody, the president, the secretary of defense needs to intervene and say, what are you doing?
00:48:05.000And, oh, by the way, if the combat restrictions, all of them, are eliminated, first co-location, then all the restrictions, because you can't retain one over the other, then you're going to have to do the same thing with special forces, certainly with the Marine Corps.
00:48:20.000And once that happens, then the ACLU goes back to court and they say, well, why are women exempt from registration for the draft?
00:48:27.000That exemption has always been tied to the fact that women are not used in land combat.
00:48:32.000But the new legislation, the Universal Service Act, Uh, actually has it in there, two draft women.
00:48:39.000I want to thank you, Elaine Donnelly, for coming on, uh, with me while I was ranting and raving about this issue and giving us more information.
00:48:46.000The website is cmrlink.org, Center for Military Readiness, and thanks for the good work you're doing.
00:48:58.000Another example, whether it's open borders or gun control, regulation and all of it, George Bush, Al Clinton, and Clinton, And, you know, this cop-out of, well, Rumsfeld won't say, or Bush won't say.
00:49:11.000It's like saying, well, they're going to put satellite boxes and attach you in the cars, but Schwarzenegger won't say if he's for it, it's just his new DMV head's doing it.
00:49:18.000You know, oh, it's not the great leader doing it.
00:50:04.000They're putting the pressure on him to bring Bill Clinton in later.
00:50:07.000Well, I'm sitting here thinking, because I analyze everything, read between the lines if I can, and I believe they're trying to poison the United Nations, and they're going to say, we're going to revamp this.
00:50:21.000Oh, well then your analysis is correct.
00:50:22.000They just came out with a revamp plan for the UN.
00:50:25.000Something worse is going to come out of it.
00:50:28.000And I recall a map that I had that showed the world divided into seven districts, seven areas.
00:50:34.000And then I'm thinking about the Book of Revelations where it states that the seven beasts with the ten horns And it reminded me of this map I saw.
00:50:47.000Well, it's actually ten regions and ten sub-regions per region.
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00:54:32.000A lot of people say, why do they want global governments?
00:54:39.000Because the corporations are bigger than our governments now, and they want to be the governments.
00:54:46.000And so if they can control the World Trade Organization, the IMF, the World Bank, which are all these private organizations, and give themselves governmental power, they are our rulers.
00:54:57.000They can then write the laws to shut out any other competition.
00:55:01.000To shut out a middle class from ever developing that will be independent of them.
00:55:07.000And that's what we're talking about, and it's happening right now in front of us, and the average American has no idea!
00:55:16.000Yeah, they say this is a Christian nation, but when you look and see what's happening around us, you wonder.
00:55:22.000You have a million man march on Washington, they get what they want.
00:55:25.000You have the gays marching, they get what they want.
00:55:28.000When they try to push the Koran and dress like Muslims in the schools, where's the parents?
00:55:35.000Well, where's the ACLU in California when they have, you know, two week long deals where they make them dress like Muslims and pray out of the Koran or learn how to worship Harry Potter?
00:56:40.000Not only that, after the vote, They had questions on C-SPAN, and like 8 out of 15 were talking about the open borders, shut the borders down, put troops on the borders, so it's a lot of positive stuff going on.
00:56:56.000Well, yeah, but they have loyal opposition like Senator Byrd, who you called eloquent, come up and then kind of put up a weak argument against it.
00:57:03.000And you're right, on C-SPAN, most of the callers are bringing up real issues, but again, the establishment doesn't care what we want.
00:57:13.000They just go ahead with it, and then get us off with some fake debate about liberal versus conservative.
00:57:20.000And you know, more and more people wake up, we are the people.
00:57:25.000Yeah, we don't have to go along with them saying we gotta have a national ID card, or, oh, you know, you've gotta go along with a draft, or, oh, you've gotta... No!
00:58:11.000A lot of people go to church on Sunday or on Saturday and then the rest of the week they think everything's a-okay.
00:58:19.000But their preacher doesn't want to bring up any issues that upset anybody.
00:58:24.000You want to do whatever is, you know, kind of milquetoast, middle of the road.
00:58:28.000And that's a big problem is that, I mean, and that some of the other churches, why they're out saying Patriot Act's good and you're a devil if you're against it.
00:58:41.000So that's where you got a lot of the deception going.
00:58:43.000Alright, we got more guests and more calls coming up.
00:59:05.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:59:10.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:59:14.000Welcome back, my friends, to the second hour. - to the second hour. - Coming up in 30 minutes, we'll be talking to Vicki Karp, expert on election fraud and leading activist here in Texas.
00:59:40.000And then in the third hour, Beth Harris talking about election fraud and chronicling what really happened in the 2004 election and what's coming up.
00:59:47.000And we're losing our most basic right right in front of our very eyes.
00:59:52.000Right now, we're joined by Dr. Kenneth Chenet, a Gulf War I vet.
01:00:16.000Inspectors from Federal Protective Services, a branch of Homeland Security Department, arrested a Benterdorf chiropractor Friday, accused of making harassing phone calls to the department.
01:00:29.000of Veterans Affairs officials in Des Moines, Tennessee, Tenant 45, remained in the Polk County, Iowa, jail late Friday afternoon, charged with third-degree harassment.
01:00:39.000Although it is a state charge and a misdemeanor, Federal Protective Services, or FPS, personnel were involved because the VA's office is a federal facility, said Special Agent Will Calvey.
01:00:53.000The FPS provides law enforcement and security services to more than one million tenants And daily visitors to all federally owned and leased facilities nationwide.
01:01:03.000According to the mission statement, FPS focuses directly on the interior security of the nation and the reduction of crimes and potential threats to federal facilities.
01:01:12.000Calvi said two inspectors from Des Moines had been investigating Tennant after receiving complaints from the VA office.
01:01:19.000It goes on, he had been harassing them over the past three years, said Calvi.
01:01:23.000We were looking at the messages and while there were no direct threats, The language was abusive.
01:01:31.000The specific nature of the calls for a dispute between Tenet and the VA were not divulged by FPS officials.
01:01:39.000Mr. Tenet had gone on local radio and complained.
01:02:14.000Yes, I went up to court on Tuesday and presented myself and I had a couple of people there with me who tried to record the proceedings between me and the The attorney objected to the recording unless we had an order signed by a judge for expanded media coverage.
01:03:00.000Okay, well understand, I mean, in those proceedings the judge does have to agree, so I don't want to get off into that all day long, but... You know, interestingly enough, I had called Monday morning, the day before, and asked what judge this would be before, and I was told by the clerk, and no one said in terms, this is not before a judge, that this is just between the attorneys.
01:03:22.000Uh, you know, to work out a plea bargain.
01:03:24.000Yeah, I understand, but let's specifically talk about what happened to you, because I'm not surprised that the prosecutor didn't want you to record it.
01:03:31.000Well, under the Sunshine Law, we had a right to record it, but because, uh, actually, the prosecutor didn't even... Well, I'll tell you what, we've got a break.
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01:07:30.000Well, he did a local radio interview criticizing the VA and talking about how he was given all this experimental stuff when he was in Gulf War I and how he doesn't like it.
01:07:47.000And then it was a prosecutor trying to make him plea bargain.
01:07:49.000And then the prosecutor said, I'm taking you before a judge, even though there wasn't a court date that day, because you aren't complying with me.
01:07:57.000That's completely illegal right there, but they just do it out of hand.
01:08:31.000But, uh, when I was up in Des Moines there on Tuesday, I finally got a copy of it, and it was signed by a Judge Jacobs, uh, who, uh, was basically working with a Commander Berry up there in Des Moines, who was, uh, Stephen Formello, the arresting agent.
01:08:52.000Interestingly enough, I'm looking at the warrant and it clearly states on here to any peace officer of the state that you are commanded forthwith to arrest said defendant and take him before the nearest most assessable magistrate without unnecessary delay.
01:09:10.000And then he's, and then the Stephen Famillo actually signed a return of service where he's certifying that he did bring me before the nearest most assessable magistrate.
01:09:25.000Yeah, well, it's not clearly defined, but you would, you would, uh, you know, common sense would tell you that, uh, it says here, Well, again, that's just the corrupt court system.
01:09:38.000The bigger issue here, Dr. Tennant, is that you're being attacked and focused on for complaining too much, and they admit that.
01:09:47.000And I would advise you that when you get into this trial that you demand a jury, and that you bring up as a big piece of evidence, you put on the stand The Homeland Security Officer that arrested you and you say, did you tell them I didn't harass anyone?
01:10:02.000I mean, did you tell them that I didn't threaten anyone?
01:10:05.000You know, you've got this guy with the newspaper and then you also subpoena and bring in as a witness the reporter, Tori Burchett of the Quad City Times and say, did this Homeland Security Officer tell you that I did not threaten Anyone?
01:10:21.000Well, the way he's got it written up here, I'm looking at the preliminary complaint and it says that repeatedly communicated with employees of the Veterans Affairs Department without legitimate purpose in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm.
01:10:34.000I got a letter right here in front of me.
01:10:46.000It's crazy because I got a letter right here in front of me dated June 18, 2004 and it's signed by the first victim listed here, Donald Ittings.
01:10:56.000He happens to be the current director of the VA Regional Office.
01:11:01.000If I don't have a legitimate complaint, I mean, why is he sending me mail saying that my case is before their office?
01:11:52.000I mean, here, on one hand, they're saying I don't have legitimate purpose.
01:11:56.000On the other hand, he's writing me a letter telling me that my claim is in his office before a decision review officer where it had been for years.
01:12:05.000I want you to go back and read that where they talked about, you don't have a legitimate reason to be calling them, that you're annoying.
01:12:12.000So folks, Homeland Security doesn't have any terrorists to catch.
01:12:19.000Well, this is what it says, and this is in the handwriting of Stephen Pimello, the arresting agent.
01:12:24.000It says, Repeatedly communicated with employees of the U.S.
01:12:28.000Veterans Affairs Department without legitimate purpose.
01:12:32.000And in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm.
01:12:36.000And it's got listed as witnesses or victims is Donald Eddings, who's the director, Mitzi Marsh, who is the service center manager, and then there's Thomas Lynch and Alan Dettmeyer, who are both coaches who have been full-time employees for the longest time.
01:12:58.000Donald Eddings and Mitchie Marsh, they're the people who have just taken these offices recently.
01:13:05.000They've had numerous directors and numerous... Well, let me ask you a question.
01:13:10.000How many of those four people did you talk to?
01:13:35.000The way it's written up, it says repeatedly communicated and that would include sending an email.
01:13:42.000Any emails that I got from like the National Vaccine Information Center where they're publishing, you know, they're pointing to credible Experts telling you that, hey, these are vaccine-related illnesses, I would forward that.
01:13:54.000Well, sir, sir, sir, the Lansing Journal, the Associated Press, major medical journals have all reported that anthrax shot was deadly.
01:15:17.000They haven't shown me that they have jurisdiction in this matter.
01:15:21.000They've got false affidavits, they've got everything you need, and they've got the head Homeland Security officer that arrested you saying you threatened no one.
01:15:49.000And so the judge is trying to trip me up and get me under her jurisdiction.
01:15:53.000You know, the jurisdiction of the court, asking me if I'm the defendant.
01:15:57.000So you didn't even enter in as the defendant to move with a motion to dismiss.
01:16:01.000You still just held it up, but you're telling me the judge went ahead and set a court date despite the fact, and that there's no plea entered?
01:16:37.000Okay, tell me about this kangaroo court.
01:16:41.000This sniveling... Tell us the name of the sniveling prosecutor.
01:16:45.000You know, interestingly enough, the prosecutor at first refused to give his name.
01:16:49.000When we asked what his name was while we were recording it, and we have it on record, where he says, well, I won't give you my name at this time.
01:16:57.000It's not appropriate, and I want you to turn that recorder off or else.
01:17:00.000Okay, so after you did, what did he say?
01:17:04.000He asked us to leave the room so that he could open the file and read it.
01:17:09.000He hadn't had time to even look at the file.
01:17:11.000Okay, and then you came back in, did he tell you his name?
01:17:37.000Well, basically the judge just pretty much rode roughshod over us.
01:17:41.000Didn't want to hear any of our objections.
01:17:43.000Didn't want to listen to the fact that I've said in the past, I don't understand the charge.
01:17:50.000I don't wish to contract with anyone in the court.
01:17:54.000I don't agree with any of the actions.
01:17:56.000And then she said she thought you might be incompetent.
01:17:59.000Yeah, at one point in time she asked the, I think this was just a ploy to trip me up to act To get me to say I understand something when, you know, their meaning of understanding is probably more in line with, do I agree with what they're saying, and I don't.
01:18:15.000So I didn't want to say that I understood what they were talking about because I didn't want them to misconstrue.
01:18:22.000Okay, when did, and then the judge, what's the judge's name?
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01:22:58.000I'm just so angry, and we only have 30 minutes to cover this, just a few minutes left of that 30 minutes, to chronicle how corrupt these courts are.
01:23:20.000And then people who he didn't even talk to, who he didn't even correspond with, the director of the big facility, is signing on to the complaint.
01:23:30.000And they want to put this guy in jail, this veteran, with no criminal record, for no reason.
01:23:36.000And then you get before the judge, look, when you go to this trial, you can keep trying to not enter a plea or whatever, and she's just going to do it for you, and then she's going to judge you right there.
01:23:45.000You might have a strategy of demanding a jury trial.
01:23:49.000And then putting on a case before the jury, going, OK, here's the newspaper where they say I didn't threaten anybody.
01:23:56.000Here's a correspondence from the people who, to me, saying that I am in a case with them.
01:24:03.000And do you want me to go to jail for being given a poisonous vaccine?
01:24:08.000Here's mainstream news articles saying the vaccine.
01:24:12.000Basically, I don't think there's any jury out there that will convict you, Dr. Deagle, but who knows what's going to happen with this judge.
01:24:21.000But I hope you put in a judicial complaint on this judge.
01:26:05.000I guess they're going to proceed with their rough shot.
01:26:11.000They're going to go ahead and try to put this on trial.
01:26:17.000You know, I don't think that I could ask the courts to do anything as far as demanding a trial by jury or anything like that, because if I do, then I'm stepping off and giving them jurisdiction over me.
01:26:29.000Yeah, but I know people are giving you advice, but that's one avenue of advice.
01:26:34.000The problem is, these people don't even follow their own rules.
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01:26:49.000And he came and arrested him and bragged and said, I'm arresting you for giving me both those videos.
01:26:54.000And the judge said, you're not allowed to give videos of congressmen or anybody else to police.
01:27:29.000They're put there to put people in prison to make widgets for the drug dealers that own the prisons.
01:27:34.000The drug dealing cartels own the prisons, the drug dealers own the courts, the New World Order, and then they want slaves for their slave camps.
01:27:45.000So, I don't know what strategy you should pick up, but if she just goes ahead and starts entering a plea for you, you can wait and watch it, and then resist it and say, no, I do not accept that plea.
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01:35:03.000who a few years ago got involved exposing the electronic voting machine systems and is going to be leading a big demonstration at the Texas Capitol in downtown Austin, right in front of it on the south side of the Capitol, coming up this Sunday at high noon, and I'm going to be one of the speakers. coming up this Sunday at high noon, and I'm going Vicki, it's good to have you up with us.
01:35:23.000Well, thank you so much, Alex, for having me.
01:35:52.000About, uh, you know, she had just discovered the DeBolt software and that you could hack these electronic voting machines in a matter of... I think she had it 10 minutes, now it's down to 30 seconds.
01:36:02.000You can hack in and change the vote tally.
01:36:04.000And I was so amazed and shocked, I started researching myself and found out that, you know, everything she was saying was true.
01:36:10.000I met her, I called her, I met her on the phone.
01:36:14.000Now I'm on her board of directors of her non-profit and I just support her work in any way I can and I've become a local spokesperson against electronic voting here in Austin as well.
01:36:26.000I just felt that all other issues really tied back into the voting issue, Alex.
01:36:32.000It doesn't seem to matter what side of an issue anybody stands on.
01:36:34.000If you think you can vote an official out who doesn't agree with you and the machines are hacked, well you can't do anything.
01:36:40.000So I just decided to devote my time as an activist to this particular issue.
01:37:42.000Now we really see the tyranny coinciding with these machines now in place in 35% of the country, enough to swing in any direction.
01:37:53.000Clearly, folks, this is one of the, if not the, central issues in the stones that adorn the crown of issues.
01:38:05.000And, Vicki, we're going down the tubes fast.
01:38:07.000If we don't stop this, how do we get these machines removed?
01:38:12.000Well, you know, I wish I had one answer for that, Alex, but I think that in the end it's going to come down to individual citizens who get so pissed off that they try to do something, you know, the sort of actions that Deb Harris has been doing, going into county election officials' offices with public information requests
01:38:34.000Uh, to get the records from elections and seeing, you know, exposing what's going on, and it's going to take a massive grassroots organization, not one organization of one group, but individuals throughout the country.
01:38:47.000That's what I really think it's going to take.
01:38:49.000I believe that she's on the right track.
01:38:52.000I was doing similar type of monitoring here on Election Day, and of course, I wasn't able to turn up anything obvious with our heart machines here in Texas or in Travis County.
01:39:02.000Because there's no way to look at them?
01:39:04.000Well, yeah, I mean, you know, in our case, I think, well, I don't know.
01:39:09.000Without the paper ballot, which is of course the biggest problem, you really can't tell unless there's something blindingly obvious going on.
01:39:15.000You can't tell if fraud has taken place.
01:39:17.000But we have a massive conflict of interest in Austin.
01:39:22.000Tell the listeners, Vicki, about Michael McCall.
01:39:29.000Well, Michael McCall, I think, is a son-in-law.
01:39:33.000Maybe you can help me with this relationship.
01:39:34.000Son-in-law, Larry Mays, the owner of Clear Channel.
01:39:38.000So, yeah, the ownership ties go back to Clear Channel with Hart InterCivic.
01:39:41.000And Hart InterCivic, even though they don't have modems on their voting machines, which makes them a slight bit better than the Diebold, Sequoia, and ES&S machines, they can still be hacked from inside.
01:39:55.000There's no way to tell if that's happening or not.
01:40:01.000And one thing I wanted to mention, because I only found out about this about two or three months ago after working on it for a year and a half, The optical scan counting machines that count paper ballots, a large number of those are manufactured by the Diebold company.
01:40:16.000And it still gets fed through a computer.
01:40:19.000So the same software program, the same what they call the central tabulator software that counts the votes on the Diebold touchscreen machines, which have made the news You know, they're more famous in the news for their touch screens, but it's actually the same exact hack can occur with optical scan counters that they manufacture.
01:40:37.000And so even when you have a recount, they just feed them back to the same machines again.
01:40:41.000That's why the only type of recount that does any good is a hand recount, but that's only if there hasn't been time to manipulate the ballots in between the time the recount was requested and the time the recount takes place.
01:40:52.000I'm afraid in Ohio, Although I'm really applauding the efforts of the Green Party and Libertarian Michael Benard to get that recount going, I'm afraid that their Secretary of State up there, Kenneth Blackwell, has so successfully dragged out this process before that he would allow it to begin, that by now, no telling which ballots will really be hand-counted.
01:41:17.000Michael McCall, Janet Reno's personal lawyer, Anti-gun, anti-freedom neocon, I'm sure you love him, so-called conservatives.
01:41:26.000This guy, the cover-up artist for Waco, for communist Chinese agents, the guy's way down in the polls, but Lowry May is the owner of Clear Channel that controls and predominantly owns Hardener Civics that makes the machines we have in the three counties that his district is in.
01:41:48.000He is also the number one contributor to his son-in-law, and so they own the machines, they're his biggest campaign contributor, and he's married to the family, married into the family, and then magically he wins, and the Republican leadership of course also comes out for him instead of real conservatives.
01:42:05.000So again, and there's examples of this all over the country where they own their own machines, Vicki.
01:42:14.000So, you know, the kind of monitoring that can make a difference, I mean, I was giving an example of what I did, which I really couldn't, I didn't turn up anything in my case.
01:42:21.000However, what an individual citizen can do through a public records request is to request from an election official the individual precinct totals for a county.
01:42:33.000And then they can get basically the central tabulator results, which shows the grand total, and add up the individual precinct totals and see if they actually match.
01:42:44.000I mean, there were scores of counties this year where you'd have 50,000 vote and only 15,000 registered voters, or 30,000 vote and 18,000 registered voters.
01:43:07.000I've started a new file just since the election, Alex.
01:43:10.000It's about two inches thick now of examples of problems that have turned up all around the country.
01:43:16.000Bev was telling me, I know she's going to be on at one and she'll have some exciting information for you, but she was telling me last night in a conversation that there were 90,000 ballots in Ohio that didn't even show a vote for president at all.
01:43:58.000I was just hoping he might fight a bigger fight than he did and at least do a better job of pretending he was being the opposition.
01:44:05.000But I was really disappointed in how he handled that with his concession the next day.
01:44:11.000Where were his teams of hundreds of, tens of thousands of attorneys who were supposed to be I mean, I never heard another thing about them.
01:44:22.000I understand that some of his contributors are kind of upset because they donated money to make sure that every vote would be counted and that he would fight the good fight, but he certainly hasn't done that.
01:44:31.000Yeah, $300 million from $100-sized donations, never before been done.
01:44:36.000The poor grassroots thought he was... But people ask me, well, if they've got election fraud with the machines, why do they need to have Kerry staging?
01:44:44.000Because you have to have the fall guy not challenge the fraudulent results.
01:44:49.000Because he's a fall guy, he's a ringer, he's gonna lay down, but still, the people are gonna go vote.
01:45:13.000You're probably aware, you probably hear the details, but Bev turned up some interesting evidence in a Democratic county in Florida.
01:45:23.000In Volusia County, and some people who have been tracking this story already know about it, but having done a Freedom of Information Act request and not having received all the precinct totals, she and Kathleen Wynn and Andy Stevenson went to that county election office to ask for the missing precinct totals, and they were told to wait while they generated some fake copies, apparently, because while they were standing there, somebody took a trash bag out the back door
01:45:51.000And, uh, one of her, her, uh, helpers, uh, Andy or Kathleen, went back and retrieved that trash bag, found real precinct totals there that had been signed by the election officials that were working at that, at those polling places.
01:46:05.000Each precinct take that they had received had five or six signatures of election officials on it.
01:46:10.000There are hundreds of such cases in the last few elections that are in major papers but never on the big nightly news so it's always regional news.
01:46:18.000They're so sloppy they don't even shred it.
01:46:24.000It's because no one's ever been checking on them before and that's why we need... Bev Harris can't do this by herself.
01:46:29.000But the mainstream media... We need everybody out there who gives a damn about the vote to find out, you know, the process and get out there and start doing this themselves.
01:46:38.000I really think that's the only thing that's going to make a difference.
01:46:59.000No, we're upset about admitted fraud, folks, all over the country.
01:47:04.000And a good place to network and get involved is this Sunday, high noon, south side of the Capitol, where we're going to be having a rally.
01:47:13.000And you should have these rallies all over the country.
01:47:15.000And if somebody isn't putting it on, you give your own group a name, you and ten of your friends call the media, send out press releases, get on Talk Radio locally, call up the station, get on, say, meet us this Sunday, you know, in a few weeks from now, and go down and have your own rally at your courthouse or your Capitol.
01:47:34.000If you want freedom, you've got to raise the consciousness level about this, Vicki.
01:47:39.000I mean, with people like Vicki, who took action, you've got to be a trailblazer like she is.
01:47:45.000Vicki, tell us about this rally that's coming up Sunday.
01:47:48.000Well, it's actually called the 51 Capital March, a nationwide protest against the stolen election is what the theme of it is.
01:47:58.000And it was an individual named Kip Marshall from Houston, Texas, who had been tracking this issue, and he just decided that he needed to take it upon himself before the Electoral College met on Monday, December 13th, to organize a national march, you know, hopefully in every one of the capitals and Washington, D.C., which is, you know, the name 51 capitals.
01:48:20.000He started it and then created a website for it and my friend Karen Rennick and Abby Delosier, both of them who have been real active here locally.
01:48:29.000Abby's been putting on press conferences on this issue for a while.
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01:53:50.000I thought at the end of the program that Gordon Robertson Robertson was condemned, but he said, well, they're probably just going to bring it out.
01:53:57.000It's like the driver's license and everything else.
01:53:59.000You don't have to have it, but life would be a lot easier if you do have it.
01:54:06.000They didn't call it Mark of the Beast?
01:54:24.000He wrote books saying it was the Mark of the Beast 10-12 years ago.
01:54:28.000See, they're all shifting, because they came after his TV network to take his tax exemption.
01:54:33.000And boy, when Clinton did that in the mid-90s, that whole operation changed.
01:54:39.000Yeah, he wrote a book called The New World Order, and he pretty much laid out everything that we talk about, but then all of a sudden, they must have threatened him or bought him off because he jumped right into bed with them.
01:54:51.000They came after, the guy owns like 20-something TV channels on cable, and they went after his holdings, and boy, he turned around, I mean, I saw the 180!
01:55:49.000I know it's probably going to sound kind of stupid and everything but I don't get your radio show here and I really can't get on the computer and everything because it keeps kicking me off and I really don't know a lot about what's going on.
01:56:00.000Where are you going online to get on the stream?
01:56:42.000Um, I'm just kind of curious and everything.
01:56:43.000I mean, I'm kind of new to, I mean, like, uh, listening to you and, and hearing about all this stuff because I'm one of the ones, I suppose, that are just like, oh my gosh, I can't believe this is happening.
01:56:53.000But, um, like we have your videos and we make copies and we give them to people and, and, and everything.
01:56:59.000But I'm just kind of curious on how many people there are, like patriotic people and everything.
01:57:04.000I mean, you're obviously very busy and I mean, if, if things are, are, If we're actually going to be able to beat this.
01:58:28.000Pam in Indiana was asking, what was your final question before we hit the last break?
01:58:34.000Just pretty much like, I don't know, I'm just curious about how many people you have.
01:58:39.000I know how many people you have following you and everything, and how many people are actually out there Whenever I actually got turned on, I mean, you know, to what was going on and everything like that, it seems like there's really a lot of people that are opening up and opening their eyes, and like everywhere you look, there's people seeing things.
01:58:56.000So I'm just kind of wondering if, you know, It's going in a promising way.
01:59:28.000Okay, well, it's a children's fable, and just type it in online, The Emperor's New Clothes, you'll try to find that fable, but it's basically, it's a long fable, I don't have time to get into it, but the emperor was really naked, but these con artists had sold him this beautiful coat, and got all this money, but it was really, he was wearing nothing, but everybody would, he would say, oh, look how beautiful it is, everybody would go along and say, yes, yes, it is.
01:59:52.000Basically, we're all seeing that he's naked now, And, but the media keeps saying, no, it's a beautiful coat.
02:00:47.000He put a $200 million investment in, put triple insurance on the Towers a month before they got hit, and then he said it was two terror attacks, two events, so he got double the money.
02:01:54.000And, uh, I sat down next to this, uh, fella.
02:01:57.000He looked like he was a Korean War vet, judging by his age.
02:02:02.000And, uh, he kinda mumbled to himself, you know, I say that, uh, You know, the Mexicans get better healthcare than I do, and they call me a racist.
02:02:13.000You know, so I started talking to him, you know, talking about how it's all by design and such, right?
02:02:19.000And, uh, all of a sudden these four husky cops, uh, come walking in the door, and I thought they were coming for me or something, but they come and they tell this guy, uh, to come with them, you know?
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02:06:07.000When my finger was almost cut off and I went to the emergency room, I watched all the illegal aliens go past Hispanics, black people, white people, citizens.
02:06:47.000Where if you even complain, I mean mildly, quietly, now they have just these brutes come throw you out, arrest you.
02:06:57.000And with Dr. Tennessee Tennant in the Quad City Times, they admitted in Iowa, he didn't even threaten them.
02:07:06.000They said that he complained too much.
02:07:08.000And last hour we were reading the arrest warrant, it said that he didn't have any reason to be calling them, he called too much.
02:07:16.000Even though he had communications back from them, even though he was suing them.
02:07:21.000And so we were talking to Don in Arizona, who's a vet, who was in the VA, and this old Korean War vet was complaining that the illegal aliens get all the health care.
02:07:31.000That's the point we've gotten back up to.
02:07:33.000And you said four big guys came in and got him.
02:07:38.000Tell us about the story, blow by blow, Don.
02:07:49.000I, you know, but my father had an appointment, so I figured I'd go to the pharmacy and refill my prescription while I was there.
02:07:56.000And, uh, so, you know, as I said, I went and sat down next to this guy and he said, um, that, you know, he had told me what he said about, you know, that illegal aliens getting better health care and they called him a racist.
02:08:11.000And I started talking to him about how it's by design, and I never really mentioned the New World Order right out, but I was talking about some of the stuff they did.
02:08:21.000And it wasn't like maybe two minutes later, these four husky cops come in, and they're like, sir, can you come with us?
02:08:30.000And he's like, well, can I leave my bag here?
02:08:33.000I'm waiting to refill my prescription.
02:08:35.000And they're like, no, sir, get your bag out.
02:08:37.000It looked like the guy may have been homeless.
02:08:40.000I mean, he was Clean cut, his hair was combed, but he did have a bag full of clothes with him.
02:08:46.000Oh yeah, I bet money he didn't get his prescription.
02:08:49.000And if you've done anything, they'll ban you from the buildings.
02:08:52.000If he needs heart medication or whatever, he'll just go curl up in a cold area and just die.
02:08:57.000And they'll go scoop his dead body up and take it to a medical institution.
02:09:02.000And the medical students can stand around and laugh at his little body.
02:09:07.000And this is just all part of the new freedom.
02:09:08.000You know, I've coined the term maggoting.
02:09:12.000And I've coined the term maggoting because from Vermont to Missouri to Texas, they die of maggots.
02:09:24.000And they take the old vets, and they're sick, and they don't give them any aid, and rats infest, and they literally just stay for days on end in their own excrement.
02:09:35.000And I'm sorry if you don't like to hear this folks, what we're doing to the vets.
02:09:37.000And then the maggots, the flies, crawl up their nose and lay the eggs in the nasal passages in the sinus.
02:09:45.000And then the maggots have a meal of the veteran's brain and then they just take the dead body out and nobody gets it.
02:09:51.000And I've seen at least, now, eight cases of what I've coined maggoting.
02:09:57.000And this is reserved just for our vets.
02:10:02.000And you're with Al-Qaeda if you're against it.
02:10:05.000And also now there's masses of vets coming back so disillusioned they're now going homeless.
02:10:10.000And most of the troops are on food stamps, they're coming down with DU sickness, and they're not being given treatment as they shrivel up, go into wheelchairs, and even in some cases die.
02:10:19.000We've had the former top head for the Pentagon, Dr. Rocky, on about this.
02:10:24.000And it's in local newspapers, how they come back and get sick and have radiation poisoning, and then they die, and they get put in the ground, and they don't get given treatment.
02:10:33.000When you go and you're sick, you just don't get treatment, and that's how you support the troops, not caring about them.
02:10:40.000So I'm evil because I actually support them.
02:10:43.000The kicker to my story is though after the cops pulled the guy out there was a Hispanic vet sitting in a chair behind me and he starts talking about how he's glad they took him away because he was talking bad about the United States.
02:10:59.000And I turned around and I chewed the guy out for saying it and told him they'd be coming for him next.
02:11:05.000And then I left before they did come for me.
02:11:10.000And, uh, I'm pretty certain they were looking for me.
02:11:14.000Cause there, uh, a cop driving by was just staring straight at me as I was leaving the parking lot.
02:12:46.000And he was at a rural affairs meeting.
02:12:50.000And they were taking all their rights to fox hunting and taking their property rights.
02:12:54.000And he got up and he said, we deserve the same rights as gays, even use this, you know.
02:13:00.000And he said, as homosexuals and Muslims.
02:13:05.000And they sent, quote, the Hate Crimes Division out to arrest him, and the head of Scotland Yard's Hate Crimes Division, she was quoted in there as saying that he used the word homosexual, and that is a banned word because it has bad connotations.
02:14:01.000You made some big discoveries in Florida, but kind of give us the play-by-play, you know, the top ten here.
02:14:07.000Go down what you've learned since November.
02:14:10.000Well, I'll tell you what, there's problems.
02:14:13.000Isn't it interesting that they say the election went off without a hitch, it was smooth, there was a little bit of vote suppression, but no problem with the machines.
02:14:22.000First place we audited, the first place we audited, one-third of the records were missing.
02:17:13.000Well, I don't know if it has anything to do with it because five of the counties that we identified that have really huge problems are Democratic counties.
02:17:21.000I mean, there's both sides involved that seem to be a problem here.
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02:22:16.000Bev, let me just bring up another issue before we get back into all the election fraud going on, and I want to talk about the Democrats engaging in it as well.
02:22:27.000Bottom line, the people lose in all of this, folks.
02:22:30.000The point is, we're supposed to vote, not government officials.
02:22:33.000It's not like, you know, they're fighting for different little kingdoms or something.
02:22:37.000This nice fella, Brad Friedman, and he brought out the case of this computer programmer down in Florida.
02:22:48.000I knew that you had some comments about that, and I wanted to get any of your concerns about the story that he first broke.
02:22:55.000It's now been in some of the mainstream news about this programmer saying That he was told to create software that could engage in these frauds and the same company separately has been in trouble for espionage.
02:23:11.000It's an interesting story and I don't dismiss it.
02:23:16.000I did have some questions about it and I am working on answering those questions about it.
02:23:21.000The one thing about it is we didn't have all of the evidence that we need to know the credibility of this story and part of the problem was that It was actually broken in two places by two different journalists and one seems to have written it up in a bit more conservative way than the other one.
02:23:41.000I like his work and so I'm running down some of the things that didn't quite hang together for me.
02:23:49.000I also know that, you know, I've been the subject of a lot of disinformation too, so I know people can write all kinds of things about it, so some of the things I'll have to check and see.
02:24:02.000It's kind of like we've caught the fake documents about Bush and the Air Guard probably coming from Republicans.
02:24:10.000Yeah, we have to be careful because Disinformation, and I'm not saying this is disinformation, but as a rule, you have to be careful and look at all these major stories as if they could be that first.
02:24:24.000The reason being that if we have two or three stories that make their way into the mainstream media and turn out to be disinformation, when the real thing comes down the pike, it will not get covered.
02:24:35.000Well, they're going to use that as spin to go, case closed, it's not true, make a big scandal out of it.
02:24:42.000Whenever you hear about this, it's that old story.
02:24:45.000Right, and so I think I've really been looking into the Clint Curtis thing.
02:24:50.000There are a couple things that still aren't hanging together, but some of the other stuff is starting to fall into place.
02:24:56.000So I guess what I'm saying is I published some questions on my website yesterday.
02:25:02.000Brad, now I got a very profane email that represented that it was from Wayne Madsen, who's one of the writers about it.
02:25:11.000Brad wrote a very reasoned and very interesting response to each of the questions, and I'm running down the confirmations on his answers.
02:25:46.000Some of the things, like I say, did check out.
02:25:48.000Some of the things look not very good as far as discredibility, but as I looked into those further, for example, some of the discrediting things Don't hold water.
02:26:04.000One of the things in one of the newspapers said he had a bunch of bad things about him.
02:26:09.000Well, I looked at the source for it, and you really had to dig to get the source for all these bad things.
02:26:20.000Yeah, and he said, according to court documents filed in this, which makes it sound very plausible, But of course, you know, they're probably the court documents filed by the opposition, which always is going to be painted in the worst light possible.
02:26:33.000It doesn't say court findings, it says court documents filed.
02:26:37.000So there's a lot of, you know, six of one, half a dozen of the other.
02:26:41.000It is actually, as I've looked into it more and more, it's actually gaining a little bit of strength.
02:26:46.000Yeah, I think Brad certainly sounds credible.
02:27:10.000You know, where they'll rush out and make a really big deal of something that's not a big deal, and then some of the very big stories, and frankly, you know, when we a year ago broke the fact that a convicted embezzler had been programming this stuff, It took five months before that hit the mainstream media.
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02:29:55.000But for whatever reason, you thought there was a catch.
02:31:03.000Again, he originally broke the story of this computer programmer in Florida saying, hey, I'm not saying they use this for the election, but I was told to create a software that was undetectable, which we were unable to do, but we did produce a software that would engage in fraud in elections.
02:31:18.000And the same company he's alleging this about has been under federal investigation for other matters concerning basically espionage of foreign countries.
02:31:27.000We've got Bev Harris here, who just hasn't had a rush to judgment.
02:31:31.000She's kind of the grand poobah of investigating election fraud, but it's such a big thing, we all, as she says, should get involved in it.
02:31:38.000And she says that she's looking at the story, and it's looking more credible by the day, but still we can't rush to judgment.
02:31:44.000So I thought just for the next few minutes, I'd get both of you guys up here together.
02:32:21.000Uh, Bev, what are some of the questions that you have for Brad?
02:32:26.000Well, a lot of them he has answered, and some of them I think I'm going to have to get answered from Clint Curtis himself, and they're not confrontational, just some specific details and dates and so forth.
02:32:39.000And I think this is a healthy thing, by the way, because if we can all converge around the truth, and it turns out to be, this is going to be a huge story that's very, very important.
02:32:51.000Yeah, no, I think it is a huge story, and actually that's why, if you read my response to your concerns, and as well as my original article, I actually released my original article a little sooner than I would have liked.
02:33:04.000I saw that, and I actually really, you know, I was on the road and had barely, not to, this is an excuse, excuses are terrible, but I was on the road and I have very limited internet access and so somebody told me you need to read the other article and I read theirs and I couldn't get, you know, your site was sort of overloaded so I figured well I've seen the affidavit, I've seen this other article.
02:33:27.000Once I saw your write up it was much more well thought out and well reasoned and so I will definitely be updating my site hopefully tonight and take whatever egg is deserved in my face.
02:33:42.000Just checking out a few things and hopefully we can really make sure we get to the bottom of this.
02:33:48.000And I guess that was also a concern that the producers of the show just called me so I only heard the last minute or two of you talking.
02:33:57.000But, you know, as far as the importance of this story and making sure that we get it right, I think it's true for all of us, you know, to not go off without having all the details.
02:34:08.000And let me just briefly, if I can, elaborate on this.
02:34:11.000And I'm sure this computer programmer is a wonderful guy.
02:34:14.000I tend to think the story's true because of the key people involved, the names, the power structure, what we know of in the past.
02:34:21.000It checks out, but here's the problem.
02:34:24.000Karl Rove planted a fake bug in his office.
02:34:30.000They clearly released the fake National Guard documents, then discrediting all the real story about Bush being AWOL.
02:34:37.000And we have these documents years ago directly from the depository up in Missouri with Bush's National Guard records.
02:34:52.000At having honeypots go out, who are actually their agents, and put out a whole fake story, and then we find out three years later the guy who gets discredited gets some big fat job with these people and no one pays attention.
02:35:05.000I'm not saying that's happening, but that's why even if it looks real and looks good, you still have to be careful because this is their favorite tactic to then go, look, it's all discredited in perpetuity.
02:35:21.000When I said it was looking better, shortly before this call, I came into an independent piece of evidence that's not anywhere on any of Brad's stuff.
02:35:35.000But it was something that tended to corroborate that isn't anywhere on any internet on anything.
02:35:43.000You know, sometimes that's the kind of thing we need is to be able to bring other people in and have multiple voices saying, you know, yes, I checked it out.
02:35:53.000I guess I've gone on record that I was skeptical at first, but I'm telling you, if the specific things that made me skeptical are answered, then it's going to be a whole other ball of wax.
02:36:06.000And I know people will get very, very critical of it if I reverse it, but I will.
02:36:14.000Let me toss in something there, Bevin, and hopefully the producers feel free and pleased to give Bev my number, because there is a lot of corroborating information that I have, and that I have also passed on to the appropriate people and authorities and so forth, that I have not posted because I don't want to jeopardize the investigation, I don't want to hurt his personal security and so forth.
02:36:41.000So, there's a lot more to the story, there's a lot more information, a lot more stuff moving.
02:36:46.000But, you know, I did not just run with this story based on what one guy said.
02:36:50.000A lot of this stuff I checked out with a number of sources, and there's a long paper trail on a lot of this stuff.
02:36:58.000So, to speak to that, the concern, I've heard it before about the Karl Rove, that it's all set up and everything.
02:37:05.000But, you know, we need to be very careful.
02:37:08.000Yeah, and I would like to talk about that.
02:37:11.000Believe me, I understand that there's a lot of times when if you go forward with exactly what it is, you just tell everybody what to go cover up immediately and that's not what you want to do.
02:37:20.000And you also, you know, we need to be careful about doing ourselves in.
02:37:24.000You know, Karl Rove at this point doesn't need to do too much because anytime anybody comes out with anything, You know, we're all over ourselves saying, oh, this must be a Karl Rove plant.
02:38:20.000Well, I can also break some further news on your show.
02:38:23.000It looks like, and I've just put this up on my Overflow blog, since my bradblog.com is unusable for now, but bradblog.com is where I'm currently reporting on all of this stuff until I can get more bandwidth on the other server.
02:38:44.000But it looks like Yang Enterprises has now issued a brief statement on their website claiming that Curtis' allegations are 100% false and God bless America.
02:38:57.000And that's actually what they said, and that there'll be more of a statement coming soon.
02:39:01.000So I would urge people to check out thebradblog2.blogspot.com for a reply to that.
02:39:08.000And some of the questions that Alex brings up about, you know, is it a Karl Rove setup and so forth, because I've done a pretty thorough sort of question and answer to some of the frequently heard questions I've gotten, and I've posted those on my site.
02:39:23.000Much as I posted the response to Bev, because I think it's important to get the information out there before the misinformation gets out there.
02:39:30.000Well, Brad, to be clear, I've never said that.
02:39:34.000I mean, I've said I believe the story's credible, just from key indicators.
02:39:39.000What I have said is, The reason I think it's credible is he was going to the FBI, the CIA, the government for a long time over this before he tried to go public and that's a major indicator that it's not.
02:39:56.000He wasn't going to the CIA and the FBI over this or over the overbilling.
02:40:02.000It sounded like he was going to them over a different issue.
02:40:05.000But the point is he's already going to them.
02:40:34.000I mean, in a setup, you don't see stuff like that happening.
02:40:37.000Also, you'd see this be the top nightly news story and then immediately discredited.
02:40:43.000Right, and that, of course, may happen once it breaks into some of the mainstream media who have I can confirm I've been looking quite seriously at it.
02:40:52.000And by the way, Alex, I wasn't suggesting you were making that charge.
02:40:55.000I've just heard that out there a lot, and from a lot of people who are interested in Clint's story and believe it's a good story, but then they sort of do themselves in by all of a sudden calling it the next Rathergate and everything.
02:41:10.000If that's what it turns out to be, Fine.
02:41:16.000This is a chilling effect and nobody ever said that media is supposed to be perfect.
02:41:21.000I mean, politicians, all they do is lie.
02:41:23.000We're trying to get at the truth and we shouldn't have this chilling effect where now... I mean, they've had reports where the news won't report on dead troops because that could be seen as negative.
02:41:47.000The current crop in the White House, and it's like this in modern history in the last 50 years, but I mean, these are really bad intelligence operatives.
02:41:57.000They do do stuff, but again, it doesn't have those indicators because this guy's getting people put in the slammer, you know, months and months and months and months and months ago on other corruption issues.
02:42:06.000It just sounds like he's a whistleblower, you know, dumping dirt.
02:42:10.000Well, all I can tell you is after, where are we here?
02:42:18.000I think I released a story on Sunday night, Monday morning, and in five days of just about everybody in the world on the internet and everywhere else going over this thing from top to bottom, so far, Nobody has been able to find any holes in Mr. Curtis' case.
02:42:36.000No, just, just, just, just, just mudslinging by those being accused.
02:42:41.000So there may be holes, and like I say, who knows?
02:42:44.000It could all be that setup you discussed.
02:42:46.000If there is, however, I've seen no evidence of it, and all the people, and believe me, there are many now looking into this.
02:42:53.000So far, none of them have come up with any reasons to doubt his His credibility?
02:42:59.000Well, I think the biggest indicator is the mainstream media hasn't latched onto it yet.
02:43:04.000And if it is a setup, they'll come out and say it's all true, and then a day later say it's not.
02:43:09.000Listen, I want to thank you for coming on, Brad, and I'll have my producer give that number to Bev Harris, and Bev, I guess you can call in after the show?
02:43:17.000Oh yeah, and thank you very much, Brad, and hey, you know, I actually only have about three more questions that I need to get answered, but I probably have to get them answered from Clint himself.
02:43:26.000And then as soon as I can do that, I'm going to wrap it up and put a bow on it and redo it and then take whatever people throw at me.
02:44:15.000If we had, you know, a hundred of me and Brad and you out there, you know, all at once, I think it would already be completely Completely disassembled and taken apart.
02:44:26.000Because pretty much everywhere you look, you keep finding stuff.
02:44:30.000How likely is it that the very first place you go, you're going to find stuff?
02:44:33.000People running out the back doors with bags full of shredders.
02:45:13.000To give you an idea of how badly it was hacked on our forum, I still cannot moderate, change, move, edit, or post.
02:45:22.000And I actually had to sit there the other night, not being able to get into my own site and watch someone else, under the name of Bev Harris, running all over my message board, posting things.
02:45:33.000And I couldn't get Adam to lock him out.
02:45:35.000Bev, you've got to get a real IT person helping you.
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02:53:10.000They joined together and said, well, he won't ask for it, so we're asking for it, so we can find out if the thing was honest.
02:53:17.000Kerry finally did kind of raise an eyebrow and say, well, maybe I'll step in, you know, at the very end.
02:53:22.000We don't know if there's going to be enough time to do it correctly.
02:53:24.000You know, they've got this Secretary of State that's a lot like Catherine Harris was, where he's given them like two days to count five million ballots by hand, and all in Playing all kinds of games.
02:53:52.000Today in the LA Times, they ran an article about an FBI memo warning that terrorists may use lasers to blind pilots Which may be used to bring them down.
02:54:01.000This I thought was interesting because my mom had called me the other day regarding conversations she had with a citizen from Australia that used to belong to this country and was trying to get a passport to come back to come home to visit for Christmas.
02:54:23.000Now granted this is just rumor but The other article brought to my attention, especially where she was flying into L.A.
02:54:30.000Since you have had us on, I want to close by just mentioning that on November 30th, the National Public Radio show, Here and Now, had a category show called Election Myth.
02:54:43.000And this was in response, they said, to all the bombarded emails and calls they were getting about the voter fraud.
02:54:49.000And they had on it a woman, Karen Timothy, from Time Magazine, and Mark... Yeah, they call it a myth when it's all admitted all over the place.
02:55:04.000Harris, you might want to stop all your work and give it all up, because they assured us all that they looked into it, being experts, and that there's nothing to worry about.