On today's show, Alex Jones discusses the recent death of Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Gary Webb, and the cover-up surrounding the circumstances of his death, and how the media covered it up. Alex also discusses the latest in the Bush administration's war in Iraq, the Fed's decision to raise interest rates, and much more.
00:00:12.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:22.000It is Tuesday, the 14th day of December 2004.
00:00:32.000ultra-massive broadcast lined up for you today.
00:00:37.000We'll get into the latest death numbers of our troops in Iraq, new scandals concerning torture not just in Iraq but also Afghanistan, the Fed to raise interest rates, what's happening with the economy.
00:00:55.000But a large portion of the broadcast, we also have Paul Watson joining us in an hour and a half, And to cover the worldwide news and to give us his news analysis.
00:01:09.000But in the first hour and a half, we're going to predominantly focus on Pulitzer Prize winning author, researcher, San Jose Mercury reporter, Gary Webb, who we now have gotten the details.
00:01:35.000Oh, but conveniently the police say it was a suicide!
00:01:39.000Well, since we learned of this yesterday morning, and the world learned of it yesterday morning, that he had been killed in his home the night before, the morning before, since we learned of this, I've talked to Selly Castillo, I have talked to Chico Brown, who was Free Ray Ricky Ross's
00:02:02.000Well, one of his top business partners, Freeway Ricky Ross, the biggest drug dealer on the West Coast for the CIA.
00:02:13.000And you see, I'm one of the few people that's interviewed Freeway Ricky Ross, not on this radio show, but for an upcoming film that I'm involved in called American Drug War.
00:02:26.000Well, last night the producer of the film called Freeway Ricky Ross In the federal prison he's in, in the panhandle of Texas, up near good old Tulia, where he's not allowed to have interviews.
00:02:40.000Even Texas Monthly has trouble getting in to see him.
00:02:44.000And I've interviewed him over the phone before, from there, for the film.
00:02:49.000And he learned from Kevin Booth, the producer of American Drug War,
00:02:55.000that Gary had recently been telling him that he was on the new information concerning the CIA and drug trafficking and that men he'd pulled up to his house and two men were up on his balcony two special forces types they jumped off the balcony and ran away he was being followed he was being threatened but the police of course will say it is all suicide
00:03:24.000Just like Princess Diana says, they're going to kill me in the next few months, they've told me, in a fake automobile accident.
00:04:07.000But it's par for the course with what we've seen.
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00:08:02.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
00:08:08.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:13.000So, the award-winning Pulitzer Prize winner, author of the best-selling book, Dark Alliance CIA Drugs series, dead of reported suicide, shot in the face with a shotgun.
00:08:36.000Now, it was a little more obvious when people would commit suicide with two gunshots to the back of the head, which, it's kinda hard to get the rifle to the back of your head, and then it's impossible, basically, to shoot yourself twice in the back of the head.
00:08:48.000But, uh, we have now learned some new developments.
00:08:56.000I have interviewed Ricky Ross, Freeway Ricky Ross, who was selling twenty-five million dollars worth of cocaine a day.
00:09:13.00025 million dollars of cocaine a day in California distributing across the West.
00:09:21.000Openly taking delivery from the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:09:31.000And Gary Webb won the Pulitzer Prize Then the media, the establishment, tried to discredit him.
00:09:39.000He was successful in disproving their claims.
00:09:42.000He had just recently been able to disprove everything they were saying and had been vindicated.
00:09:49.000And he had recently told Freeway Ricky Ross via telephone in his federal jail cell in North Texas That there were men up on his balcony when he pulled up at home, jumping off and running off.
00:10:05.000That he was being followed, that he was being threatened.
00:10:09.000And then he supposedly shoots himself in the face with a shotgun.
00:10:36.000Just yesterday, big British newspapers, several of them, had the headlines with the British paramedics that came to the scene of Dr. David Kelly.
00:10:48.000The former head of the biological weapons program at Porton Down, then the head British UN envoy to the inspectors saying that it wasn't true, Saddam couldn't hit England in 45 minutes notice with chemical or biological weapons, that there weren't any weapons of mass destruction.
00:11:07.000He then told an American and a British colleague, they're going to kill me, I'm going to be found dead in the woods if I don't shut up, and then he's found dead in the woods, With three undigested sleeping pills.
00:11:18.000They wouldn't have killed him, by the way.
00:11:33.000He supposedly died by slitting his own wrist.
00:11:37.000And there's almost no blood at the scene.
00:11:39.000And one of the local constables, when they were out looking for him, because he'd come up missing the night before, That morning, when they came upon the body from about a hundred yards, they described seeing men in black uniforms who look like military men.
00:11:54.000You know, the short haircuts, muscular.
00:11:57.000And then they walked off from the dead body, and the constable went up there and didn't chase them.
00:12:42.000They're going to kill me in a fake auto accident.
00:12:47.000And then a few months later, when she's pregnant with the shopping mall tycoon's child, and the British royals weren't about to let her be pregnant by anybody who wasn't royal, much less an Arab.
00:13:12.000Her car, her Mercedes, gets stolen the week before.
00:13:16.000And when it gets returned, all detailed and nice, no questions asked, her security detail just says, oh, it got returned, we'll just take it!
00:13:27.000And then the cameras all turn off two minutes before the wreck, and then it plows into the pillar, the underground tunnel, and then they sit there for an hour!
00:13:39.000The paramedics just sit there, and you see the Surveillance cameras and they turn back on her.
00:13:44.000Her legs moving and twitching and it looks like people are inside holding her down.
00:14:50.000They got a problem with saying all the voice recorders and data recorders were destroyed at the World Trade Center site because firefighters are going public and saying it's all a fraud.
00:16:27.000Even the highway departments come out.
00:16:31.000Federal transportation offices come out and say, oh yeah, we can remote control cars perfectly.
00:16:35.000And why in the future we may even make it to where your cars are controlled as you drive down the road.
00:16:43.000Or where there's little sensors on your car and if there's an emergency we can remote control and take control of your car.
00:16:50.000That will keep you from running into other cars or any type of obstructions.
00:16:54.000Covered that about a year ago when it came out, off the government's own website.
00:16:57.000It's old technology, so the car, Diana's car, gets stolen a week before, gets brought back detailed, and her own security doesn't even Her own Royal Security just, oh, it was stolen!
00:17:49.000Then it turns out the driver was not on drugs, was not drunk, was not on pills.
00:17:54.000Those toxicology reports are out public.
00:18:01.000But boy, when did you ever hear of somebody in a car, wasn't stuck in the car, just the front of the car was smashed, When you ever heard of somebody just leaving somebody for an hour in the car?
00:18:10.000There's the video of her legs flopping as they're leaning in over.
00:18:14.000They're gonna kill me in a fake auto accident!
00:19:31.000Gonna be in production for another year.
00:19:36.000And he was going to call, or get the call, his weekly call from Premier Ricky Ross in prison, where Gary Webb got a lot of his information.
00:19:47.000And when he called him, he didn't know that Gary died, and that was all caught on tape.
00:19:52.000We'll air that tomorrow, perhaps even in the third hour today, if Kevin's able to get back to his office and do it.
00:19:58.000But he will be joining us in the next segment from the road.
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00:25:16.000He was one of the main sources for Gary Webb, the Pulitzer Prize winning author of the book, Dark Alliance, CIA drug series in the San Jose Mercury News.
00:25:30.000And then of course he then wrote the best selling book, Dark Alliance.
00:25:34.000He was shotgunned in the face, something that the major newspapers aren't reporting, but I have this from direct sources in Sacramento, and some of Gary's best friends and associates.
00:25:49.000He was shotgunned in the face, and then movers who were coming to the house found a note on the door saying, don't come in, call 911, call an ambulance.
00:26:00.000Yesterday, Kevin called me, and again, we've interviewed Ricky in the past, and he said, Ricky's scheduled to call me tonight at 1030, because you can't call him at the federal prison he's in.
00:26:09.000They've moved him there from Victorville, Florida, excuse me, scratch that, from Victorville, Northern California, from that prison in Northern California, in Southern California, and again, we'll scratch that out of the transcript.
00:26:24.000We're trying to get all these facts together.
00:26:25.000Victorville in Southern California, To the panhandle of Texas, North Texas, where they do not let media in to interview Mr. Ross.
00:26:38.000So we've been doing it over the telephone.
00:26:40.000Kevin Booth was able to get the call last night and had the unfortunate job of breaking the news to Freeway Ricky Ross that Gary Webb had died from gunshot wound to the head to the face in very questionable circumstances and now Kevin can reveal to us what Gary Webb via telephone had recently told Freeway Ricky Ross.
00:27:10.000We've got about three minutes before we hit break.
00:27:12.000Just tell folks basically who Freeway Ricky is and what happened in the conversation last night.
00:27:18.000Well, I guess, you know, like you said, Ricky Ross, he just became known as the biggest crack dealer in West Coast history.
00:27:26.000The name Freeway came from the fact that he was buying up so much real estate along the Harbor Freeway in Los Angeles.
00:27:34.000And when he finally got put away the second time, He didn't know that the CIA was behind, you know, allowing him to become so big.
00:27:43.000I mean, basically, it's not like CIA agents were supplying him with cocaine.
00:27:47.000It's more like he just couldn't believe he never got caught, and he couldn't believe How low the prices were, and you couldn't believe how easy it all was.
00:27:55.000Well, people, I mean, in the Dark Alliance series, and talking to Ricky, they had a go-between, but it was Contras directly selling him, and then the Contras flying back were all part of the CIA operation.
00:28:08.000Right, it was all these big cartels, and so, you know, like you said, he was in the Victorville prison, Right above Los Angeles there.
00:28:21.000The last time he spoke to Gary, which wasn't that long ago, he told me that Gary was still working on the story.
00:28:29.000That this was the kind of thing that Gary was never going to give up on because Gary felt like he could just keep going with this forever and uncover more and more people and exposing more names.
00:28:40.000But he did tell me that Gary knew he was being followed every time he drove somewhere.
00:28:44.000There was always cars following him around.
00:28:45.000He said he knew it was government people.
00:28:47.000Several times he came home to his apartment, two-story apartment, late at night and a guy would come shimmying down like a drainage pipe, you know, off of his balcony and, you know, he could tell it wasn't a burglar.
00:28:59.000I mean, it was obviously somebody probably in his apartment rummaging around looking at documents or looking at his computer.
00:29:04.000And we talked off-air, it was described as kind of a special forces type, you know, really fast going down the pipe.
00:29:13.000Yeah, definitely, and I mean, you know, So on to like the whole suicide angle of the story, I mean it's kind of like they did stuff to kind of freak him out, to intimidate him, to push him to actually being depressed, but I mean everybody I've spoken to, Ricky included, said there's no way, you know, that this guy would have taken his life, that he enjoyed life, he loved his kids.
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00:33:15.000Coming up in a few minutes we'll be talking to Selly Castillo, of course the top DEA agent in Latin America, Central and South America, who was eyewitness to masses of drug deals by the CIA and by the Contras, and another one of Gary Webbs Sources, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of the Dark Alliance series and the San Jose Mercury News, then wrote the best-selling book, Dark Alliance, CIA Drug Trafficking.
00:33:45.000And the new developments, Kevin Booth, again, who's been interviewing, talked to him last night.
00:33:50.000I've interviewed him for the film as well.
00:33:53.000Talking to Freeway Ricky Ross, who was the person who was supplied with CIA cocaine and the biggest known drug dealer in West Coast history.
00:34:06.000Tens of millions of dollars a day going on for years and was absolutely untouchable, one of the major sources for the Dark Alliance piece.
00:34:15.000Kevin broke the news to Freeway Ricky, Ricky Ross, last night.
00:34:23.000Describe for us, Kevin, before we get back into the people that were rummaging through and up on his balcony and following Gary Webb around, according to Ricky Ross.
00:34:35.000How did Ricky take it when you described it to him?
00:34:37.000I know we're going to be able to play that on the air, but you weren't at your office when I called you for this broadcast this morning, and so we're not going to be able to have that until tomorrow.
00:34:49.000But, Kevin, describe that discussion for us.
00:34:52.000Oh, he took it really bad, you know, I mean, he thought of Ricky as a, I mean, he thought of him as like a godsend, and that, you know, this guy, Gary put his life on the line to expose this story, and that, you know, he just thought it was really depressing, it just really made him sad, and he said a lot of the guys there in jail
00:35:18.000We're familiar with the story, and a lot of people are going to be sad.
00:35:24.000When he came out with that story, a lot of people in South Central just kind of had a wake-up call, and it just all rang so true to them.
00:35:33.000One of the crazy parts of the story, too, is that, like I said, Ricky wasn't even aware of all this until he got put in prison and Gary Webb came out to try to To help him with his case.
00:35:47.000And that's when all this evidence started becoming uncovered.
00:35:50.000It was just like with me working on this film about the drug war.
00:35:54.000It's just like one thing leads to another.
00:36:15.000He said, absolutely not, because Gary was still hot on the trail and he was never going to give up on this thing.
00:36:22.000He had just recently been vindicated that the establishment media had been trying to attack him with ham-fisted
00:36:32.000Attacks, but it wasn't working and he had just as of late brought out a lot of new evidence He had been vindicated that was starting to come out in the news He was still on the trail that had been reported on now Sully Castillo is Joining us right now Kevin and he may not be aware of this new development when you talked to Ricky Ross last night for Sully
00:36:57.000Please repeat what Ricky told you Gary told him about people at his apartment and about being followed.
00:37:08.000Yeah, he knew that he was being followed all the time and there are several instances where he would come home after working all day late at night and he would see a guy shimmy down like he had a drain pipe that went up to the balcony on the second floor apartment.
00:37:24.000And these guys that were definitely not burglars would, like, come shimmying down the pole really fast and just, you know, disappear.
00:37:31.000And he was pretty confident that they were up there rummaging through documents looking at his computer.
00:37:37.000What was the term, and again, we're going to air this interview, but, Kevin, what was the term he used to describe them?
00:37:45.000Why did he think that they weren't just regular burglars?
00:37:50.000I believe he described it as that it was just so professional how they did it.
00:38:14.000Anything else he told you during this interview?
00:38:17.000I mean, I've been doing interviews before with you with Ricky and he only gets about 15 minutes and then the prison cuts him off.
00:38:23.000This is the only way we're allowed to interview him.
00:38:25.000They don't really let the media in to interview him and you've actually had to contact lawyers and have started proceedings concerning that because they're not supposed to be able to do that.
00:38:34.000Another part to the story I didn't know about was that, you know, after Chico and Ricky had gotten arrested that time, I guess there are some production company in new york that wanted to uh that was trying to buy the rights to do like a film about this and um the dea raided their office and and confiscated everything some big like film company in new york and definitely uh put an end to any thoughts that these guys are going to make a movie about this
00:39:02.000yeah this would blow scarface which is based on some real characters out of the water.
00:39:08.000I mean this is a film that needs to be made.
00:40:13.000He's come to Austin and showed the pictures of the CIA drug dealers.
00:40:17.000He shows us the connection to Latin America, how that coupled through the people like freeway Ricky Ross and the direct connection of the CIA and these conduits to people like Freeway Ricky Ross and the LAPD protecting Ricky Ross and other top drug dealers.
00:40:36.000So, Shelley, was this a new development for you to learn that Kevin talked to Freeway Ricky and found out that he had told Freeway Ricky that he had men in his house and things?
00:40:46.000I've heard something to that effect, but I wasn't very sure on it what actually did happen.
00:40:53.000But my whole point to this issue is the fact that you've got to remember one thing.
00:40:58.000Nobody's ever done a movie or a documentary on the Iran-Contra investigation which involved the CIA involving drug trafficking.
00:41:08.000Now, Gary Webb at one point pointed to the assets that were heavily involved and I myself pointed to actually the CIA officials who were actually participating in loading and unloading and refueling the planes.
00:41:23.000You came to Austin and did a two-hour presentation and showed photos of them, documents, everything.
00:41:28.000Yeah, I got another hundred set of slides I'm going to bring over to Kevin Booth so he can put them on and those slides do have the good, the bad, and the ugly.
00:41:38.000For people that don't know who you are, in a nutshell, tell us what you did and why you went public.
00:41:44.000Describe what you saw in Latin America.
00:41:46.000Well, you know, You gotta remember one thing, you know, I am not an individual who comes off from the left or from the right, but I was reared as a, um, as a very patriotic family, you know, coming from a very patriotic family and, uh, you know, we all served our country and so forth.
00:42:02.000And when I joined the DEA, I thought that by putting my life on the line that I would make a difference.
00:42:07.000But it was there in Central America my six years that I realized that we were the enemy.
00:42:12.000We were sleeping with the, with the enemy.
00:42:14.000We were, uh, involving drug trafficking and, When I tried to expose the whole issue, I remember Randy Capster, a CIA official, saying to me, you know, nobody's going to listen to you.
00:42:27.000We've been doing this for years and nobody's going to ever, ever stop us.
00:43:01.000I had a CIO official by the name of Randy Capster, who was down there for close to seven, eight years, involving those covert operations.
00:43:12.000And, you know, he was involving I have about an hour long video that's just full of clips of you on national television going over much of this in years past and they're unable to even challenge you.
00:43:33.000You've got to be worried a little bit about your safety, sir.
00:43:36.000Well, recently, I'll be honest with you, I've had some vehicles follow me around.
00:43:43.000Uh, kind of, you know, I could tell their government, you know, uh, because of my experiences and how they, uh, when you approach them, they turn their face and they're on the cell phone.
00:43:54.000But I've been under surveillance for quite a while now.
00:43:57.000But you're not afraid, you were a highly decorated sniper in Vietnam.
00:44:01.000Exactly, but my point is this, you know, I've, I've, I've, since Vietnam, let's put it this way, I've been on borrowed time.
00:44:07.000So I make my, my, my, uh, My peace with God and you know, be it what be it, you know, but I will fight till the end and I will never, ever commit suicide.
00:44:28.000Yeah, you know, we're in it for the long haul.
00:44:30.000We need to fight these people, you know, till the very end and whatever we have available Well, what little we have, we need to continue fighting this because it's getting worse.
00:44:44.000And it's going to get worse before it gets better, if it gets better.
00:44:50.000Talking about Gary Webb, Sully, I mean, he's dead.
00:44:56.000And they described his face from the sources.
00:44:59.000And you got a call just two hours after they found him.
00:45:03.000You were notified that his face was basically unrecognizable.
00:45:07.000Well, a shotgun doesn't do that if it's point-blank.
00:45:11.000A shotgun only does that from a few feet away for the pattern to expand.
00:45:16.000People don't normally commit suicide with a shotgun to the face.
00:45:18.000Can you comment on what you learned about this?
00:45:21.000Well, I got a call from Michael Rupert who eventually got his information right away after the incident.
00:45:29.000He knew that there was a note that had been left and so forth.
00:45:32.000Uh, and that he was planning to move, uh, that morning, had the movers coming in.
00:45:37.000And, and they found that note on the, on the door.
00:45:39.000Uh, you know, allegedly that plane, uh, did not come in, you know, you know, call 911 and, uh, call an ambulance.
00:45:47.000I mean, why on earth, if you're going to commit suicide, would you like to, you know, bring an ambulance if you shoot yourself with a, With a 12-gauge shotgun.
00:45:54.000Well, that sounds like the classic mafia activity, blowing somebody's face off.
00:45:59.000And to be honest with you, I really think when I speak about government people, I speak about Felix Rodriguez and his gun squads that have been involved in all kinds of assassinations, whether it's foreign or domestic.
00:46:14.000You know, Felix and his group are very well documented as trained assassins.
00:46:23.000Exactly, and they play in a couple of Columbians for that and so forth, but there's always people that are willing to take the fall for the agency.
00:47:17.000When did you find out that it was the government controlling it?
00:47:20.000Well, from the very get-go, you know, when I got into Guatemala City and my contractor, Robert Steele, said to me, you know, there's some funny things going on in Salvador and just don't step on anybody's toes and don't report anything.
00:47:40.000Sure enough, my source of information was the guy who did all the flight plans for the contra pilots that were heavily involved in drug trafficking.
00:47:48.000And it was very well documented of money being seized in the U.S.
00:48:31.000The thing about it indicates that Gary Webb was the fact that the conscious story, the final report, Higgs, a CIA official, admits that they were sleeping with the enemy.
00:48:42.000And that there was an agreement between the CIA and the State Department of not reporting this incident.
00:48:51.000What's always interesting to me is for you to explain how Like the whole supply chain of like how it got from Ilopongo all the way into the hands of Ricky Ross and how did Ricky Ross do this for years without even knowing who was really behind it just to get showed like the level of compartmentalization.
00:49:21.000He was able, everybody came to him from all over the country and he started major distribution points and we saturated the country with cocaine.
00:49:29.000I want to add this, the colonel who was the head in Latin America back in 1998 for all counter drug operations was caught shipping in masses of cocaine and heroin into New York.
00:49:44.000And when I asked Barry McCaffrey about it, you know, he just literally turned red and couldn't talk, and the whole audience started clapping and laughing at him.
00:49:54.000I mean, we've caught these people red-handed, Shelly.
00:49:57.000Well, you know, we have a CIO official in Venezuela who shipped a thousand keys of cocaine without the approval of the DEA, and then he was arrested, and so forth.
00:50:08.000So there are instances that are very well documented that our government was heavily involved in drug trafficking.
00:50:15.000The final report acknowledged the fact that it did happen and they turned a blind eye to it.
00:50:22.000Kevin Booth, anything else you want to add from the interview you taped last night?
00:50:27.000I think Ricky was really sincere when he felt like a real loss with Gary's death, regardless of how he died or whatever that it was a loss to him that he felt Gary was like a godsend in his life and that he probably wouldn't even be alive right now if it wasn't for Gary exposing this story.
00:50:49.000Alright Kevin, try to get back to your office and see if we can get that in the third hour.
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00:54:43.000They send in the military to go after any competition that is producing poppies or coca leaves that goes against them, and that's the war on drugs internationally.
00:54:56.000Then domestically they bust the low-level dealers to put them in the prisons that the drug dealing families, we've traced it back, own predominantly.
00:55:04.000So they bring the drugs in, and then when they get your kids using them, then they put them in their private prisons working for 18, 20 cents an hour, and displace those jobs, and then make money by having the slave labor.
00:55:17.000And then they use the pretext of the drug war to militarize the police and to fund the militarization and have them bust down your door.
00:55:24.000That's why I will never use any of these drugs.
00:55:27.000Not to mention the fact that they're bad for you and very destructive.
00:58:16.000And you know, I, for example, will do the old-fashioned, the old-school type of stuff.
00:58:21.000I'll put, like, scotch tape on the seams of my door.
00:58:25.000And to find out if somebody actually came into my house or not when I was gone.
00:58:29.000And they've been broken, which means they were inside the house.
00:58:33.000You know, you go and you look at your computer and you look at your stuff, and there's some pictures that I've had, uh, thrown away, copies of them, that were taken, uh, pictures of, uh, CIA officials that I had, uh, uh, copies of.
00:58:47.000We'll be right back with the second hour.
00:59:05.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:59:09.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:59:13.000Stella Castillo, the senior DEA agent.
00:59:25.000For Latin America, helped contribute to a lot of Gary Webb's Pulitzer Prize winning work, exposing CIA drug trafficking, is here with us, Chico Brown, associate of the biggest drug dealer in West Coast history, who is in prison, who we interviewed last night via telephone.
00:59:45.000We just gave you those revelations from the federal prison he's in in North Texas.
00:59:49.000Again, Chico Brown, the associate of freeway Ricky Ross, Gary Webb shot in the face with a shotgun and he told Ricky Ross in a phone conversation that he would come home and men, obviously very highly trained government types was his term, would shimmy down the drain pipe and run off.
01:00:13.000He's had people going into his house taking photos he's got of CIA officials he knows was involved in drug trade.
01:00:19.000So he's come to town and gone over these documents publicly at public events and been on some of the local TV shows, been on this radio show.
01:01:20.000And basically I've, I've always stood by that and, uh, was always doing the right thing, whether, whether, you know, I felt about, you know, good about it or not that, you know, I had to do the right thing.
01:01:31.000And when I got started working with the government, I realized that at the end of the day, we ended up being the enemy and, and the bad guys and the assassins and the murders and everything else.
01:01:42.000And of course that, you know, blew my mind away.
01:01:45.000You know, I couldn't understand why one arm of the government was fighting so-called war drugs while the other arm was sleeping with the cartels.
01:01:52.000And it was then and there that I realized that this is not the government that I thought I was going to be protecting and serving.
01:02:01.000I realized that I had to do something.
01:02:04.000So I started knowing the fact that I would end my career with the DEA, which basically I did.
01:02:12.000Informing Washington and the ambassadors about the atrocities that were occurring in their countries.
01:02:20.000And even at the end when I left, you know, my whole look at life was affected.
01:02:27.000I was looking for a job when I found that.
01:02:29.000And to me it was, you know, you have to do the right thing and continue.
01:02:34.000I continued to talk about it after I left and documented the One of the greatest things that's saved me, I think, has been my documents, my journals.
01:02:43.000I've documented just about everything that happened in Central America.
01:02:47.000And I was an avid photographer, which I ended up taking hundreds of pictures of them before, the after, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
01:02:53.000And you were there at the bases while the DEA was fueling the drug aircraft.
01:02:57.000We, you know, were running a covert operation, undercover operations, refueling those planes that we call the Islanders.
01:03:06.000Uh, they were being, uh, refueled there in El Pongo or in Guatemala and with the anticipation that they were going to be seized in Texas or in California, somewhere down the line, once they crossed the border.
01:03:20.000And, you know, I started to question the fact that, you know, nothing would ever happen.
01:03:25.000Well, the DEA was part of those covert operations, and saturated the whole country.
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01:07:02.000Gary Webb, Pulitzer Prize-winning writer for the San Jose Mercury News, who also wrote the best-selling book, Dark Alliance, was shotgunned in the face two days ago.
01:07:12.000And we talked to Freeway Ricky Ross from prison last night.
01:07:18.000He learned from us that he was one of the main sources for Gary Webb, that Gary had died and said that Gary, the last time he talked to him, said he was being followed.
01:07:29.000All over the place by government people that he'd come home to his house at least twice and government men with precision would shimmy down a small drain pipe down the back of his house from the two-story window and run off into the night.
01:07:45.000He was working on news stories and Gary focused in his first series on the drug dealing in South Central, the connection to the Congress and the CIA And then, of course, Sully Castillo was the head of the DEA operations in Latin America, folks.
01:08:02.000And for years, he became aware of this, documented it, took the photos, the documents, was basically threatened over it.
01:08:08.000He's come to Austin and done two-hour presentations showing the photos, the documents, who the drug dealers are.
01:08:13.000He was there, in Latin America, watching the DEA fuel the drug planes.
01:08:20.000It's unbelievable, ladies and gentlemen, and of course he was a friend of Gary Webb's and learned of it within two hours after they found his body, his face, shotgunned away.
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01:08:41.000You've got to shoot them from at least five feet away to blow their face off.
01:08:44.000I don't want to go into too many details of it, but the pattern spreads out from there.
01:09:02.000And I just want to say this before we go to Chico Brown, and back to Sally.
01:09:06.000Yesterday, the paramedics went public, in England, with Dr. David Kelly, The top UN weapons inspector from England who said that there were no weapons of mass destruction.
01:09:17.000And then he told an American colleague and a British colleague that quote, if I don't shut up, they're gonna kill me and put me in the woods.
01:09:37.000Princess Diana said, uh, they killed my boyfriend, and Charles has told me they're gonna kill me in a fake auto accident.
01:09:45.000Then they clearly kill her in the fake auto accident, crash the car, and then don't bring her to the hospital for an hour and 45 minutes total, and then 75% of the British people believe they killed her, but the media still says, oh, no, no, no, no.
01:10:00.000is that they do this over and over again.
01:10:02.000We saw Fannie Malick, the Arkansas Medical Examiner, with people with two shotgun blasts to the head, people with arms and legs cut off in trash dumps, and they would rule this as suicides.
01:10:12.000We've seen cops killed in the Oklahoma City bombing case who were exposing government involvement, stabbed 13 times, throats slit, handcuffed marks, people tortured with electricity marks all over them, beaten from head to toe, beatings on the bottoms of their feet, and these sicko coroners will say, suicide!
01:12:13.000What did you think when you heard, and pop in any time, Shelly, I know you know Shelly, a great patriot, a great American as well.
01:12:22.000Tell us a little bit, what did you think when you got the call?
01:12:27.000Well, I always knew because it always came up.
01:12:31.000One of these days we'll get that car saying that happened to him or somebody that was involved in his case.
01:12:36.000So, that wasn't, it wasn't shocking to me that they would say that because I knew, because riding in the car with him, you know, many times and we just talked about that stuff and he was like, you know, he used to tell me, you know, when the first, the case first broke, I was just saying, man, you're not scared for your life, and he was saying something like, you know, with Chico, you know, I just gotta do what I have to do, but, you know, I've been getting death threats and stuff like that.
01:12:57.000This is when we first, uh, the case first came open.
01:13:01.000But, um... Now, again, on record, he told you he'd been getting death threats when he was first working on the case, uh, continuing, uh, now, uh, police.
01:13:10.000Yeah, that, that's when the first, the case first opened.
01:13:13.000I actually, you know, when we was going to court, you know, and all this stuff started coming out, Because I got out on bail, so he came to L.A.
01:13:22.000You know, he wanted to talk to me about the case and stuff.
01:13:25.000And so, in that conversation, he was always saying, you know, I get death threats all the time.
01:13:31.000So, to me, when it happened, when I got the news, I actually read it in the paper, and my father called me, and I was like, man, that time, because he always told me, like, you know, something like that would happen.
01:13:42.000Like, you know, they can get you anytime they want, stuff like that.
01:13:46.000I automatically said to myself, well, damn, my father said, he killed himself.
01:13:51.000I said, yeah, right, my father said the same thing, you know.
01:13:54.000I just knew one day was going to happen.
01:13:57.000One day we were going to get that call.
01:13:59.000I just talked to you during the break and Sully just learned of this.
01:14:01.000We talked to Freeway Ricky from prison last night.
01:14:09.000But he said the last time he talked to Gary, Gary said, this is recently, he was being followed by cars.
01:14:15.000He would come home and men, I would call it special forces type, but he's Describe him as government with great skill, would literally just leap down and slide down the drain pipe and run off into the darkness.
01:14:25.000Cell, he's had people breaking into his house.
01:14:28.000What was that revelation like for you?
01:14:31.000Yeah, I know because I think I talked to him about six months ago.
01:14:36.000And when they said suicide to me, I know the guy.
01:14:39.000I know he would never do nothing like that.
01:14:41.000But for him to just open and say something like that, I'm like, man.
01:14:44.000And then when I talked to Rick's mother, the day I called her first words, I'm like, Chico, they killed him.
01:15:34.000Now, Sully, you're a unique expert on this subject.
01:15:37.000I mean, you were, I don't want to call you an assassin, but a highly decorated Vietnam sniper, then the head of DEA operations in Latin America, witnessing all this death squads and stuff going on in drug dealing.
01:15:48.000And so when you say this is VMO, I mean, how can police then just automatically suicide, case closed?
01:15:56.000How do they control local Sacramento police to that level?
01:15:59.000Well, because of uh... you know coming down from from washington you know it's uh... every operation is approved by the C.I.A.
01:16:08.000every single one of them is approved so uh... they know better than to mess around with them because uh... you know they use all kinds of techniques uh... you know one of the first tools that they use against individuals would be like C.I.R.S.
01:16:21.000you get audited and you know you end up paying thousands of dollars that's the first tool to let you know that uh... that uh...
01:16:29.000You know, they're after you, and they give it to you.
01:16:55.000We saw it this election, where people thought it was going to change, and it didn't change.
01:16:59.000And we have to take it to the next level.
01:17:05.000Chico Brown, what do you think about just, it seems like the corruption gets worse and worse.
01:17:11.000The good news is, everybody I talk to now, it's an open secret that the government controls the drug trade, but still, now everybody knows the truth, but still the SWAT teams will raid some teenager's house for a bag of marijuana and ruin their life.
01:17:24.000Well, man, that's so true because, you know, when that story first broke and everybody was excited for it, the LA Times, Washington Post, I remember Gary was saying, you know, they want my story, Chico, they want my story, but he wasn't willing to give his story to the bigger newspaper, and then there was a conflict right there, and you know, his story was unique and it was true, you know, it had facts, and they were like, okay, if you don't want to do this, this is what we're going to do, and then when they wrote the three-page series denying everything that he said and worked hard on,
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01:25:51.000Well, let me just say one thing that's so simple.
01:25:55.000You've got to remember, nobody's done a documentary on a rank hunter.
01:26:00.000Or the whole issue with the CIA involving drug trafficking.
01:26:03.000And maybe that's what he was trying to put together.
01:26:05.000Something that was going to expose the Bush administration.
01:26:09.000Going back, there's a book called Firewall by Lawrence Walsh who wrote about how they conspired and how they covered up the whole operation.
01:26:19.000So, you know, that could possibly be it, but I think that we need to have some kind of documentary out there.
01:26:26.000And to really educate, you know, I'd be glad to donate my pictures and my films to that whole issue, but it's got to be done.
01:26:36.000You know, Fahrenheit 9-11, everybody went crazy, you know, the most documentary thing done.
01:26:44.000And that's exactly, so now we have something that we can actually go out there and not, don't let Gary's death be a denial to Everybody else that needs to be educated or into what's really going on with the government.
01:26:59.000What about also trying to force the local police to have it as a murder investigation?
01:27:04.000I guess the people who know he's been saying he was getting threatened and stuff should call the police and call the media and go, how dare you?
01:27:11.000You know, I just wrote a story on a Soldier of Fortune magazine and Felix came on and, you know, he's the acknowledgement with how they killed Che Guevara.
01:28:02.000Like you said, do a film about the situation.
01:28:05.000I think if the mass public know what really went on and show these documents that Gary has and a lot of people have.
01:28:13.000I have that people never seen him, and just know what went on in our courtroom when he was willing to testify, and they talk about how the CIA was there.
01:28:22.000And everything that's coming up right now was not allowed in me and Rick's trial when we went to court.
01:28:27.000They would not let us talk about none of the CIA involvement, even though that we have proof and documents.
01:28:33.000It was just, we went on as a regular little case, but... We got a break, we'll be right back.
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01:33:28.000Shelley Castillo, of course, a senior DEA officer for, what, seven years in Latin America, I tried to blow the whistle on all this, but you're in Texas.
01:33:38.000Do you remember back in the late 90's when they had that tractor-trailer CIA coke and they made them just give it back?
01:33:53.000Absolutely, and it's still continuing.
01:33:55.000Just recently, there's a senior DEA agent that's been involved in drug trafficking for many years for the cartels in Mexico.
01:34:03.000And he sells a lot of the information to the drug traffickers organizations and this guy's been around for close to almost 20 years now and nothing's ever happened to him because It's part of the apparatus that built right outside the intelligence agency that continues to finance drug trafficking.
01:34:24.000Well, all these intelligence agencies are like twin towers.
01:34:27.000The corrupt, rotten part is a small part, but it's the top.
01:34:31.000Everybody else knows to go along, and they build right next to it the whole system that runs parallel.
01:34:41.000The involvement of the government in the cover-ups and just recently there were several customs agents arrested here in South Texas for their involvement in drug trafficking.
01:34:54.000But again, they get busted because they're low-level guys cutting in.
01:35:08.000And see, and they do this, Alex, because they know that at the end of the year, the President will pardon a lot of these individuals that work for him.
01:35:37.000tells Dan Burton's committee, don't go after Clinton for pardoning giant Coke dealers, and then the media doesn't even pick up on it, showing these guys are all just puppets.
01:35:46.000And that's why they do all this, and they get away with it, because even if they get arrested, at the end of the day, they'll be pardoned.
01:35:52.000Well, Sully, I'll tell you what I don't like, and Chico, I'll tell you what I don't like.
01:35:57.000I don't use drugs other than an occasional cerveza with my Mexican food or a glass of red wine with my Italian food.
01:36:04.000I drink one cup of coffee in the morning.
01:36:06.000I mean, that's the extent of my drug use.
01:36:08.000But I, many times, have the police pull me over, ask to search my car, and I tell them no, and they act like I'm evil and go, what do you have to hide?
01:36:15.000I go, it's called the Fourth Amendment, bro.
01:36:17.000Don't you want your kids to grow up in a free country?
01:36:56.000I mean, but it's like, we're allowed to be even meaner to the minorities, but I'm a white guy, man, with blonde hair and blue eyes, and they're pretty mean to me!
01:37:39.000One of the first questions they'll ask you is, for example, they'll stop the driver and get him off, and then they'll go ask the passenger, what was the last time you filled out your car?
01:37:51.000And I thought my kids, at once, you get stopped, and you say no to the search, and they say, well, you know, I'm going to do that, or I'm going to bring the dog.
01:38:32.000In Round Rock, Texas, we're not returning, I mean, a week late, a videotape to Blockbuster Hollywood Video.
01:38:39.000I have Associated Press articles where somebody moves and forgets to return a library book, and when they come back to town later and get arrested, they're charging him.
01:39:08.000They'll arrest old men with vet stickers for having a filleting knife in their car.
01:39:14.000They'll arrest people who, I have friends, one guy's like 45 years old, owns his own company, you know, with the lawnmowers and trimming yards.
01:39:23.000They arrested one of the members of his crew because there was a machete in the back.
01:39:26.000Folks, you use a machete when you're clearing brush in somebody's backyard.
01:40:11.000And see, once you target those police officers for doing, they have a tail, what we call a cola, which means this guy has been involved in a lot of civil rights violations, and I think people will start listening to him, or you get a civil rights attorney.
01:40:25.000You just file an amendment, and that's exactly what happened just recently, a couple of days ago, when Here's another example.
01:40:33.000operations on 18-wheelers and they violated the guy that beat him up and then they let him go so you know it is continuing to happen and and we need to put a stop to it here's another example I know old people again I mean the reason I bring up the old people because it's an old lady and they got four thousand dollars cash in their purse No drugs.
01:40:59.000We've got cases where the old man or old lady has their, you know, you take, they sell it at all the grocery stores, a little pill box where you take the pills you need and you put them for the day and then when you go on a day trip, they're arresting people for having their pills out of their pill bottles.
01:42:27.000Yeah, and that, you know, that represents one third of the entire world's drug trade, the Afghan Golden Crescent, you know, $200 billion or more.
01:42:36.000And so now the reports are, you know, record levels of heroin and opium on the streets of London.
01:42:42.000And Tony Blair promised us that he would bomb the poppy fields.
01:42:45.000So they're bringing this system in, which ties in with exactly the same kind of police state measures that are being introduced in this country as they are in America.
01:42:54.000Things like the ID cards and internal checkpoints.
01:42:58.000So it's the same system being introduced at the same time.
01:43:02.000We've been covering the obvious murder, and I'll say it, it should be a homicide investigation of Gary Webb.
01:43:09.000Some incredible revelations, Paul, listing the last hour.
01:43:11.000Do you have any questions for Chico Brown or for Sully Castillo concerning this murder?
01:43:18.000Well, my thoughts on it, as you mentioned before, are the media complicity in the reporting of the death.
01:43:27.000You know, aside from the fact that so-called suicides related to the Bush crime family, Or, you know, akin to winning the lottery jackpot twice with two tickets.
01:43:37.000The media have been complicit in that they calmly reported the cause of death, and they've now since amended a lot of the articles to try and hide this, to be shotgun wounds, that's wounds plural, to the face.
01:43:50.000Now, number one, if you shoot yourself in the face, you're not going to be in any kind of state to pull the trigger again.
01:45:02.000Well, that's like two shotgun wounds to the back of the head!
01:45:04.000It's impossible to shoot yourself twice in the head with a shotgun!
01:45:08.000There's also a very similar case that happened a few years ago in El Toro, where that colonel up there was trying to, uh, was getting ready to blow the whistle on the government's drug trafficking.
01:45:21.000Yeah, the marine colonel that was shot in the back, and he also committed suicide, according to the military.
01:45:31.000I mean, how do cops come and stand over a dead colonel who stood up against drug dealing and see him shot in the back and go, well, we don't want this to happen to us because we're little cowards!
01:45:49.000Well, yeah, that's another one of the aspects to this.
01:45:52.000There's been this argument of, you know, why kill him now?
01:45:55.000After all, his great reporting has already come out.
01:45:59.000Obviously, as you've been talking about, he had new information that he was working on which was on the way.
01:46:04.000And, you know, it would have been easier to get rid of him now, you know, in a time when he was out of the spotlight, rather than later on when he's back in the spotlight.
01:46:12.000But also, you know, it's a fair assumption to make that this is also An extreme show of brute intimidation to anyone else out there with the same kind of sensitive information, whether that be related to the CIA drugs issue or any other issue.
01:46:59.000They're going to come after anybody who goes against them.
01:47:02.000You know, I'm going to do something, and I know that I'm going to let, unless he wants to stay with us and he's welcome to, Chico go here in a few minutes.
01:47:14.000But regardless, I want to keep the lines open here for only police officers, or retired police officers, or retired or current intelligence people who want to call in and try to refute this or add to it, call in.
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01:47:51.000And that's something that has to be done here with Gary Webb.
01:47:56.000I mean, if they kill me, or they kill you, and we're on record, you know, saying we're not going to commit suicide, I expect people to keep the memory alive and to use it against the New World Order.
01:48:06.000And we've got to go different, you know, we need to go to the universities and lecture to them about what happened to Gary Webb, because those are going to be the leaders of our country one day, or people that we really need to go out, you know, grassroots individuals They need to be educated.
01:48:24.000You know, I'm part of a group called People for Peace and Justice now, and there are a whole bunch of young kids.
01:48:30.000And when you talk to them about the CIA, and the involvement in atrocities, and so forth, that's what's going on in Colombia right now.
01:48:37.000They're not aware of those situations, and we need to educate them, bring them up to par on the whole issues of what our government is doing.
01:48:46.000Chico, anything else in closing you want to add?
01:48:49.000I want to thank you for coming on with us.
01:48:54.000You know, we're all in this position where at any time something can happen, but that's not changing my mind and my thoughts of what Gary believes and what I believe in.
01:49:04.000You know, and that's the truth of what happened in today's society, especially drug trade and how the government was involved.
01:49:13.000You know, like you said, we own records, so whatever, you know, if something happened to me, I didn't kill myself.
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01:55:46.000Okay, yeah, I worked for a small agency in Tucson years ago, and the reason I would never be able to serve on a jury is something that I had jury duty a couple times.
01:55:55.000I tell them right off the bat that I've witnessed this before, where I was responsible for typing up the blotter, and I know good and well what happened out in the field, because I was in radio contact, and I followed the sequence of events that would happen in a certain arrest, or this or that.
01:56:10.000And then the officers got back to the station, and I'm sort of under their, as part of the job, I'm under their authority, so I... Boy, that's just classic, his cell phone cut out.
01:57:03.000See, and everybody's cocky about it now.
01:57:05.000They're so blunt about doing what they're doing.
01:57:09.000Because they feel that they're protected.
01:57:12.000And also a lot of these TV shows, these dramas, the cops do bad things on those shows but they're still good, so cops watch that and that's kind of like a moral comforter.
01:57:21.000Exactly, it's letting you know it's okay for you to do it, you know.
01:57:27.000Well yeah, I mean they call these CCTV cameras up to protect us, but whenever they catch something which the government doesn't want you to find out about, they mysteriously malfunction on every occasion.
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01:58:07.000We've got to get this interview up on the web, the audio of it, we will.
01:58:14.000We've also got to get a transcript of it, and coming up either later this hour or tomorrow, we'll be able to play the Freeway Ricky Ross interview that Kevin Booth did with him.
01:58:25.000Of course, we're talking about Gary Webb, shotgun in the face.
01:58:30.000The report first was multiple shotgunnings, but now they're not retracting it, they're just They're just removing it.
01:58:39.000And again, he was the big preeminent mainstream media reporter, journalist who exposed government complicity in the drug trade with the CIA.
01:58:51.000Ricky Ross was one of the main CIA dealers there in California.
01:58:57.000And he learned from this office, basically.
01:59:05.000Last night, from Kevin Booth, uh... that uh... that Gary Webb had died and uh... he said oh man he told me there were people at his house people you know special forces style would shimmy down the drain pipe and run off we talked to Chico Brown uh... Gary Webb told him he'd been getting a lot of death threats just over the years uh... he'd been being followed recently and uh... he's dead committed suicide supposedly no investigation
01:59:35.000And you're a former law enforcement officer, Sully Castillo, the head of the DEA for Latin America.
01:59:41.000I mean, I would investigate this as a murder investigation.
01:59:48.000We'll tell you, you need to do what you gotta do and do it right.
01:59:51.000But when you've got people pressuring you from the chief of police or to anybody else to do the right, to do what they're asking you to do.
02:00:00.000And I remember a guy in Washington, D.C.
02:00:04.000I came all the way from Washington to El Salvador to tell me to use the word alleged because there was no proof that the CIA was involved in drug trafficking.
02:00:15.000He came all the way down here to try to tell me how to do my job and that was uncalled for.
02:00:21.000That's when I started to document everything that I could.
02:00:27.000I got him documented a time and date when he came up and told me to use the word alleged.
02:00:32.000Paul Watson, I mean, there's no way to deny that you put men with covert powers in around hundreds of billions of dollars, and it isn't going to become corrupt overnight, but this system was corrupt to begin with, Paul.
02:00:47.000The point you mentioned about, you know, why no investigation?
02:00:50.000I mean, here in this country, it's legally imperative that there is a public inquest on anyone's death, where the cause of death isn't totally clear, you know, clear-cut with witnesses.
02:01:02.000Um, so I don't, that should play out in America, but obviously with these high profile cases, they don't do that.
02:01:09.000Going back to the gunshot wounds, I've got two separate AP reports.
02:01:14.000The first one, which was posted, you know, on a local news channel affiliate website, which, you know, they get them posted within minutes of their relief.
02:01:25.000The second AP article, which was reposted in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, says single gunshot wound.
02:01:32.000And then the guy that put the obituary for one of the big newspapers, I'm still trying to confirm which newspaper it was, but he said that the coroner told him that Webb had multiple gunshot wounds.
02:01:46.000So that's... You can't argue that that's just a, you know, a difference in grammar between wound and wounds.
02:01:52.000It's clear that he had multiple wounds is what the, um...
02:01:56.000Journalists do pull up the obituary for one of the newspapers.
02:01:59.000Gotta be clear, a shotgun, unless it shoots in slugs, shoots out multiple pellets.
02:02:05.000But we're gonna try to find out what's happening here.
02:02:09.000But clearly, coroners and police know what two different shotgun wounds look like.
02:02:14.000But bottom line, because of his line of work and what he was into, it should be investigated.
02:02:19.000And then you look at him saying he was being threatened.
02:02:22.000Sully, what does your gut tell you about what the cause of death was?
02:02:26.000I mean, suicide or murder for Gary Webb?
02:02:29.000You know, I think they actually came up to him and, you know, they told him, you know, today's payback day, Gary, and it was going to happen, and you're going to be here.
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02:06:32.000He, of course, the senior DEA agent for almost seven years in Latin America, publicly saw the government dealing the drugs, bringing them in, fueling the drug planes.
02:06:44.000And Sully, before we went to that break, you were... Start over again.
02:07:01.000He said he had been death-threatened, had people shimmying down the pole, down the...
02:07:08.000Water pipe coming down from upstairs, several times when he'd come home, recently being followed by cars, and please continue, start over and tell us how you think it went.
02:07:21.000Well, I think that, you know, my theory behind it, I think that that happens all the time, but I think that Gary was working on something huge, and I think what he might have been working on, it's just my guess now, I think he was working on Carlos Slater's case.
02:07:52.000Carl Baca was the lady that started, in his book, that initiated the whole case on Dark Alliance.
02:07:58.000Well, at the end of the day, we found out that she was married to Carlos Slater.
02:08:01.000And Carlos Slater was the biggest drug trafficker ever extradited to the U.S.
02:08:05.000He was the co-founder of the Medellin Cartel.
02:08:08.000And he was supposed to be coming into the U.S.
02:08:10.000to do life without the possibility of parole.
02:08:12.000And he's been out of prison for several years after he testified against Noriega, and he's worked for the CIA since then.
02:08:21.000So he's been up and about doing his business with the CIA, and I think that maybe Gary, you know, maybe that was the story that he was working on.
02:08:33.000But before the break, you described how they like to do it.
02:08:35.000I mean, you know, describing how this man gone down as he, that night in his home.
02:08:43.000Yeah, well, you know, we talk about, you know, the Colonel and El Toro, the same thing, with a shotgun, same MO, allegedly committed suicide.
02:09:38.000Today's payback day, you know, where all the shit that you've done and you're going to go down and it's up to you to go, you go easy or you go hard.
02:10:16.000I've read and what I've seen people I've talked to that this is how they like to do it you walk in and They what hit you with a taser you wake up in the in the chair and they say we're about to kill you For what you've done.
02:10:27.000Yeah, and then they tell you it's up to you how you want to die you want to die slow You want to die fast and but you're you are going to die But we need to know this we'll fill that and you know Can you just imagine sitting there?
02:10:39.000Figuring that it's the last few minutes of your life and and then they do you the way they do them with a shotgun And it's devastating, but that's the way they work, that's the way they've done most of the operations that I saw them do.
02:10:53.000Well, I know it's painful for you to talk about as you were friends.
02:10:56.000Right, and you know, and the thing about it, I kept telling them, look what you guys are doing is completely wrong.
02:11:03.000And he says, you know, we've been But it's never going to stop us.
02:11:07.000this is the way we do business and this so you would talk to these people when you were down there go absolutely and I would actually just walk out walk out of the room and because I remember one guy that said you know you know if you tell us we'll let you survive and then we're after the guy finish spilling the beans he says well you know now you're gonna die but wait a minute you said I was gonna I was gonna live it says no you know we decided that you're a coward and that you know
02:11:32.000and the guy was waiting for his life because you have a family and and so forth and they whacked him.
02:12:39.000You know, they all knew he was doing it and they let him do it and got away with it.
02:12:42.000And then they've created this monster that they couldn't destroy.
02:12:46.000Well let me try to, and bring Paul Watson in, let me try to go over that psychology.
02:12:49.000I've found they normally don't just kill you, unless it's organized crime, separate from the government, for revenge.
02:12:55.000It's normally because you've got a piece of evidence that is source material, original source research, that will burn them, then they'll kill you.
02:13:04.000They'll have a plane bomb your house and say your gas main went off.
02:13:37.000There's no doubt about that because Gary would be about to give up.
02:13:40.000and secondly that uh... it's revenge because you've been a pain in the ass for them for so long uh... with the CIA and and their involvement in drug trafficking and because drugs is still a big issue in America uh... you know uh... he would be the one that really uh... start something to restart the whole issue again and and we saw with Afghanistan now with more drugs coming in and uh... Colombia let's not forget Colombia man.
02:14:35.000And they have their people that go out there and kill people and that's exactly how they work.
02:14:39.000They'll talk to you real nice, and they'll convince you that you are going to die today, and how you're going to die is going to be up to you.
02:14:49.000And that's exactly, I think, what happened to Gary.
02:14:52.000They went in there, and they sat him down, and they said, look, it's payback time, and number two, what do you got?
02:15:00.000So it was a little bit of both, in my opinion.
02:15:07.000And so they put the screws to him, if he won't talk, and they just kill him, if he will.
02:15:14.000And again, people can have knife wounds and shock wounds, and be blackened head from toe, and you can have photos of it, and they'll say on the news, yeah, it was suicide.
02:16:20.000I mean, the police show up and guys in black uniforms run off, there's no blood at the scene, the paramedics say that, the pills aren't digested in his stomach, he told people they're gonna kill me and put me in the woods.
02:16:31.000Yeah, and this again came out two days ago, and just with this web situation, there was a canned media response, which was, oh, with a poor family, surely they just want to move on from all this.
02:16:42.000And if the family knew 5% of the evidence, which they obviously do, against the suicide theory, then they'd want a full public inquest, and not the Hutton whitewash, which Blair said he knew the result of before it even started.
02:16:57.000Michael Shrimpton, the government barrister who was on your broadcast, said the same thing, that he was murdered, that certain elements of MI5 were unhappy about it.
02:17:07.000And, as he mentioned, the simple fact is it takes at least 12 to 24 hours, if not days, to die from slitting your wrist, even if you cut through a major artery.
02:17:17.000And obviously, with the crime scene evidence, there were only spots of blood at the scene where there should have been five pipes or more.
02:17:24.000And then, as you said, the men in black jumpsuits and army fatigues around the body, the special police units before the paramedics got there, As the paramedics said, they find bodies out there on a monthly basis, but in no other instance was there this massive police and army presence.
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02:21:51.000I was talking to Sally during the break and I don't want to embarrass you.
02:21:56.000You're almost breaking down over this.
02:21:59.000I know you were friends with Gary Webb and I appreciate that.
02:22:02.000I appreciate your courage in Vietnam as a sniper, highly decorated.
02:22:05.000I appreciate your courage down there in the drug war for almost seven years as the head of the DEA in Latin America.
02:22:12.000I appreciate you having the courage to come on this broadcast and we've talked about how you come in your house and they've broken in there and you've gone through a lot and Gary told folks he was being followed and harassed and death-threaded and then to watch the media cover this up but we can get the truth out, we can educate the people and we can explain to the young people don't use drugs, they're not cool, the government ships them in.
02:22:33.000And that seems to be a good way to get kids to not ever use drugs and see it as a trap, not as something that's cool.
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02:23:07.000Well, Shelly, I think that Gary Webb at 49 survived by children and his wife.
02:23:12.000I think that he's had a good full life and I think God was smiling down on him when these sickos obviously killed him and I think that he's been brought into heaven and is going to Yes, that's the very, very sad thing about it.
02:23:32.000He was a good person, and all he wanted to do was do the right thing, even though he stepped on people's toes.
02:23:42.000That's the kind of individual that he was, doing the right thing.
02:23:48.000Well, if we had more people like him, we wouldn't be so enslaved right now.
02:23:59.000And once you do that, you might get a momentum going and hopefully things will change.
02:24:07.000One last thing I want to say is that I'll be in Austin at the gun show this weekend in case somebody wants to come by and pick up a video or a book.
02:24:34.000Paul Watson, you know, these evil people that enjoy doing this, I think it backfires on them.
02:24:42.000From your studies of these type of assassinations, does it work for them?
02:24:47.000Well, it hasn't worked with David Kelly, but again, maybe that goes back to the point that they almost want to be caught.
02:24:53.000One thing which he could pursue with Gary Webb, it'd probably be difficult at the moment, but with Kelly, they got the emails from him.
02:25:03.000Kelly was killed on the Thursday night, they found his body Friday morning.
02:25:08.000Later on, the emails came out which Kelly had sent with him saying, quote, this should all blow over by early next week.
02:25:15.000And he was talking about the investigations into the Iraqi WMD.
02:25:20.000This should all blow over by early next week when I go back to Iraq.
02:25:25.000And he sent that email on the Monday, Tuesday before he was killed.
02:25:29.000The strongest evidence is him telling other weapons inspectors, if I don't shut up, I'll be found dead in the woods.
02:25:36.000Yeah, exactly, but that email proves that he was in no mindset to kill himself.
02:25:40.000I mean, he also said he was looking forward to his daughter's wedding later on that month.
02:25:46.000So, I mean, if anyone close to Gary Webb can, you know, who communicated with him by email, can get those emails, then that's a major line of investigation.
02:25:58.000Yep, that's right, and that's what We need to do.
02:26:02.000A lot of people will say, well, this will blow over and so forth.
02:26:06.000And that's why we have to continue to fight for his cause and our cause and not let people forget about what happened to him.
02:26:13.000And then, you know, um, you know, there's the signs are there, you know, uh, I will tell you today, I will never commit suicide, but it doesn't mean I'll get hit on with a, in an accident and with a 19 Wheeler and, you know, just blow me away or, or, or things like that.
02:26:28.000There's always accidents waiting to happen.
02:26:57.000And once you make statements like that, then they'll go to Plan B.
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02:32:08.000I mean, they've got quite a system set up.
02:32:10.000I don't know how police can go out and do their job.
02:32:14.000Triple the heroin, double the cocaine on the streets than there was ten years ago.
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02:37:21.000Paul Watson, I want to thank you for riding shotgun with us and holding for all these guests and people.
02:37:26.000I want to go to John and Rick and Jim and Bill and William and others, but right now, for folks that just joined us, any other important news you want to talk about, things that are happening globally?
02:37:40.000Yeah, the global news is the geopolitical situation.
02:37:44.000And that is that China and Russia have just announced their first joint war games.
02:37:50.000And the two countries are basically following the exact same course as the US is being led down, which is preemptive imperial action abroad and, you know, police state measures at home.
02:38:01.000And in the past we've seen that these kind of war games conducted by both China and Russia have been designed around repelling an attack.
02:38:10.000Repelling against them, attacked by the US.
02:38:13.000Which is no surprise because the neocons don't hide the fact that no matter how large the country is, anybody's a target.
02:38:21.000In their own recent policy documents and these speeches at the Jerusalem Summit, they again listed France as a military enemy.
02:38:31.000And in fact William Crystal From the reports that he wrote, that we posted on the website, is now encouraging the US to invade South Korea.
02:39:29.000And so Perle and people within the White House are beginning to question whether Bush should be seen as an enemy again.
02:39:35.000But the overriding factor is that, you know, the neocons can't really have any complaints because what's happening in the US internally is almost as bad as Russia and China.
02:39:46.000Putin just abolished the elections of regional governors by popular vote.
02:39:52.000You know, how different is that from the growth of federalization, the growth of government in the US?
02:39:57.000Regional governors will keep the systems in line.
02:41:57.000A satanic blood ritual and orgy manuals handed out to the middle school students?
02:42:06.000Yeah, just completely by accident amongst a set of other material.
02:42:11.000I forgot what it was related to now but something mundane.
02:42:14.000Just by accident amongst it are these satanic witch blood ritual manuals which just, you know, casually got handed out amongst the students.
02:42:26.000And I believe that came down directly from the police, so...
02:42:51.000So the real, you know, the real education on Christianity, even if you're not a Christian, you know the basic tenets of the Bible and how to live your life, which is, you know, successful and moral.
02:43:01.000That's all being suppressed and even turned into hate crimes in Canada and now the U.S.
02:43:06.000Well, France just passed a law where you criticize or say you don't like homosexuality several years in prison and over a $60,000 fine.
02:43:16.000Yeah, and that's the definition of thought crime.
02:43:19.000A homosexual movement preaches tolerance, doesn't tolerate any criticism of it.
02:43:25.000And that's not being run by even the homosexual leaders of those movements.
02:43:30.000It's all coming down directly from government, who then legislate this into law to make it the pretext for shutting down any kind of free speech.
02:43:50.000Yeah, we may not know the identities of these slimeballs, CI connected slimeballs who carried out this crime against truth and courage and humanity.
02:43:59.000But I think, well, they're the underground, but I think we know the overground perpetrators.
02:44:04.000It's the media, it's the New York Times, it's the Washington Post, it's the Los Angeles Times, who did an assassination attempt on him, on Gary Webb, when more and more people became aware of the... A credibility assassination!
02:44:19.000A credibility, a character assassination, and they're doing it now, posthumously, and I think we've got to realize that we can go after them,
02:44:27.000And I was recalling the FAIR.org organization, the Media Monitor, which has become kind of watered down in recent years, but originally their editor went to the New York Times, which is one of the biggest conduits for CI disinformation, and he asked them why they weren't publishing this evidence of CI involvement in drug trafficking that's available in the public record.
02:44:49.000And their top investigator report told them, oh, we're never going to allow that information to get to the public.
02:44:57.000But because it was not in public, in a public forum, they could admit this kind of stuff.
02:45:03.000And I think people have got to realize that the CIA, even according to Carl Bernstein, it couldn't get written in his own Washington Post, had to get written in an alternate magazine years ago, that all of the top media, the networks, the New York Times, Washington Post, Time, Newsweek, had not collaborated with the CIA all throughout the Cold War and planting False information to frame up countries for attack.
02:45:24.000The NPR pretends to be an alternative.
02:45:27.000It's Chairman Kevin Close is a former head of all CIA foreign propaganda broadcasting.
02:46:34.000All of a sudden it sounded like it disappeared.
02:46:37.000I want to come from a different point of view.
02:46:39.000I know Delta, Special Ops, the Navy, and so on.
02:46:42.000And everything you say and your experts say just now is absolutely the truth.
02:46:46.000These drugs are coming in and I'm going to ask them, if they're listening now, and a lot of them are Christians and they've seen these drugs come in on naval ships and C-130s when they're coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq.
02:46:57.000I want them to speak up and call this radio program today or other days and As we stand up in the tens and the hundreds and the thousands, we're going to start coming against this drug war.
02:47:08.000And then I wanted to mention two other things that haven't been mentioned so far.
02:47:12.000The war on drugs is also a war on pain patients and pain doctors.
02:47:17.000It's going into weird projects that we don't need to discuss.
02:47:21.000By the trillions of dollars in the last number of years.
02:47:25.000And it's subverting the very basis of the Constitution, which is that The Congress determines where money is spent, and there's trillions of dollars that's coming in illegally to these weird projects that we can discuss on another date.
02:47:38.000Yeah, the drug war is hundreds of billions a year that the globalists make off of, and then they make money fighting it and set up the police state.
02:47:46.000And then they're persecuting people who are dying.
02:47:49.000They can't get their pain medications, and they're putting doctors, like Dr. Hurwitz now in Virginia, who's going to jail.
02:47:54.000Looks like multiple life sentences for trying to treat pain patients.
02:48:00.000And if people don't speak up now, that means you people on the front lines that are in CIA and DEA, you've got to start speaking up now because you're on the inside like I've been.
02:48:08.000And you've got to speak up now or your America will be gone.
02:48:13.000And the system will destroy you whether you serve it or not.
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02:53:56.000George Norrie, that show's bigger than the Daily Show and it's bigger than the other one.
02:54:11.000I believe we need to take the initiative here because the government's going to crank up this information on Gary Webb.
02:54:18.000Yeah, they do have me on that show on a routine basis, and that is a good idea to go on, but I don't want to lobby them.
02:54:29.000No, I ask your audience, sir, and I will be part of that effort, to email George Norrie, that's george, at coast2coastam.com.
02:54:39.000And to ask him to put you on for an emergency Gary Webb program.
02:54:45.000And that's George at coast2coastam.com.
02:54:48.000and there's the producer also is coast producer at aol.com that's yeah producer at aol.com I don't want to tell people lobbying because they are I want your audience to do so, sir.
02:55:01.000They already have me on and they're great folks, but they'll do what they need to do.
02:55:07.000Listen, I hear you, Rick, and you're too kind.
02:55:11.000They have me on, and when they want to have me on, they will.
02:55:20.000Paul, anything you want to say about that?
02:55:23.000Well, besides that, in, you know, after I get off the air, in about two hours it'll be all over the internet anyway, and this story we're gonna put together, so, you know, we're gonna blitz it out there.
02:55:33.000Yeah, help us spread the word by emailing it out to people.
02:55:41.000Uh, you had mentioned a number of times in your films how the government was so good about, uh, covering up all the evidence, so Waco, they bulldozed everything, Ruby, The shooter there was the same one that was at Waco and you were talking about the attitudes of these guys and the evidence to get anybody caught at anything.
02:56:05.000Well, when the government does all that, one of the gentlemen there today mentioned about liars forgetting their lies.
02:56:12.000And, uh, Dan Rather had a segment on 60 Minutes.
02:56:15.000And you'll remember the issue came up about who was shooting first at Waco, and the doors would tell the difference by which way the shards... Yes.
02:56:24.000Well, the doors conveniently disappeared.
02:56:27.000That's what everybody was told when they cleaned everything up.
02:56:31.000Well, when Dan Rather did the... Call me back!