On December 13th, 2004, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Gary Webb was shot and killed in his own home. The police said it was a suicide, but we now have all the details about it. The details point to the fact that he was on to CIA and drug trafficking, and that he may have been on his way to expose it.
00:00:13.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:18.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:25.000It is Tuesday, the 14th day of December 2004.
00:00:32.000ultra-massive broadcast lined up for you today.
00:00:38.000We'll get into the latest death numbers of our troops in Iraq, new scandals concerning torture not just in Iraq but also Afghanistan, the Fed to raise interest rates, what's happening with the economy.
00:00:56.000But a large portion of the broadcast, we also have Paul Watson joining us in an hour and a half, And to cover the worldwide news and to give us his news analysis.
00:01:10.000But in the first hour and a half, we're going to predominantly focus on Pulitzer Prize winning author, researcher, San Jose Mercury reporter, Gary Webb, who we now have gotten the details.
00:01:35.000Oh, but conveniently the police say it was a suicide!
00:01:39.000Well, since we learned of this yesterday morning, and the world learned of it yesterday morning, that he had been killed in his home the night before, the morning before, since we learned of this, I've talked to Selly Castillo, I have talked to Chico Brown, who was Free Ray Ricky Ross's
00:02:03.000Well, one of his top business partners, Freeway Ricky Ross, the biggest drug dealer on the West Coast for the CIA.
00:02:13.000And you see, I'm one of the few people that's interviewed Freeway Ricky Ross, not on this radio show, but for an upcoming film that I'm involved in, called American Drug War.
00:02:27.000Well, last night the producer of the film called Freeway Ricky Ross, In the federal prison he's in, in the panhandle of Texas, up near good old Tulia, where he's not allowed to have interviews.
00:02:39.000Even Texas Monthly has trouble getting in to see him.
00:02:45.000And I've interviewed him over the phone before, from there, for the film.
00:02:49.000And he learned from Kevin Booth, the producer of American Drug War.
00:02:56.000That Gary had recently been telling him that he was on to new information concerning the CIA and drug trafficking.
00:03:05.000And that men, he pulled up to his house and two men were up on his balcony, two special forces types, they jumped off the balcony and ran away.
00:03:16.000He was being followed, he was being threatened.
00:03:20.000But the police of course will say it is all suicide.
00:03:25.000Just like Princess Diana says, they're going to kill me in the next few months, they've told me, in a fake automobile accident.
00:04:08.000But it's part of the course with what we've seen.
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00:08:02.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
00:08:09.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:14.000So, the award-winning Pulitzer Prize winner, author of the best-selling book, Dark Alliance CIA Drugs series, dead of reported suicide, shot in the face with a shotgun.
00:08:36.000Now, it was a little more obvious when people would commit suicide with two gunshots to the back of the head, which, it's kinda hard to get the rifle to the back of your head, and it's impossible, basically, to shoot yourself twice in the back of the head.
00:08:49.000But, uh, we have now learned some new developments.
00:08:56.000I have interviewed Ricky Ross, Freeway Ricky Ross, who was selling twenty-five million dollars worth of cocaine a day.
00:09:14.00025 million dollars of cocaine a day in California distributing across the West.
00:09:21.000Openly taking delivery from the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:09:31.000And Gary Webb won the Pulitzer Prize Then the media, the establishment, tried to discredit him.
00:09:39.000He was successful in disproving their claims.
00:09:43.000He had just recently been able to disprove everything they were saying and had been vindicated.
00:09:50.000And he had recently told Freeway Ricky Ross via telephone in his federal jail cell in North Texas That there were men up on his balcony when he pulled up at home, jumping off and running off.
00:10:36.000Just yesterday, big British newspapers, several of them, had the headlines with the British paramedics that came to the scene of Dr. David Kelly.
00:10:49.000The former head of the biological weapons program at Porton Down, then the head British UN envoy to the inspectors saying that it wasn't true, Saddam couldn't hit England in 45 minutes notice with chemical or biological weapons, that there weren't any weapons of mass destruction.
00:11:07.000He then told an American and a British colleague, they're going to kill me, I'm going to be found dead in the woods if I don't shut up.
00:11:14.000And then he's found dead in the woods, With three undigested sleeping pills.
00:11:19.000They wouldn't have killed him, by the way.
00:11:33.000He supposedly died by slitting his own wrist.
00:11:37.000And there's almost no blood at the scene.
00:11:40.000And one of the local constables, when they were out looking for him, because he'd come up missing the night before, That morning, when they came upon the body from about a hundred yards, they described seeing men in black uniforms who look like military men.
00:11:54.000You know, the short haircuts, muscular.
00:11:58.000And then they walked off from the dead body, and the constable went up there and didn't chase them.
00:12:43.000They're going to kill me in a fake auto accident.
00:12:47.000And then a few months later, when she's pregnant with the shopping mall tycoon's child, and the British royals weren't about to let her be pregnant by anybody who wasn't royal, much less an Arab.
00:13:12.000Her car, her Mercedes, gets stolen the week before.
00:13:17.000And when it gets returned, all detailed and nice, no questions asked, her security detail just says, oh, it got returned, we'll just take it!
00:13:27.000And then the cameras all turn off two minutes before the wreck, and then it plows into the pillar, the underground tunnel, and then they sit there for an hour!
00:13:40.000The paramedics just sit there, and you see the Surveillance cameras and they turn back on, her legs moving and twitching and it looks like people are inside holding her down.
00:14:50.000They got a problem with saying all the voice recorders and data recorders were destroyed at the World Trade Center site because firefighters are going public and saying it's all a fraud.
00:16:28.000Even the highway departments come out.
00:16:31.000Federal transportation offices come out and say, oh yeah, we can remote control cars perfectly.
00:16:37.000And why in the future we may even make it to where your cars are controlled as you drive down the road.
00:16:43.000Or where there's little sensors on your car and if there's an emergency we can remote control and take control of your car.
00:16:50.000That will keep you from running into other cars or any type of obstructions.
00:16:54.000Covered that about a year ago when it came out, off the government's own website.
00:16:58.000It's old technology, so the car, Diana's car, gets stolen a week before, gets brought back detailed, and her own security doesn't even Her own Royal Security just, oh, it was stolen!
00:17:50.000Then it turns out the driver was not on drugs, was not drunk, was not on pills.
00:17:55.000Those toxicology reports are out public.
00:18:01.000But boy, when did you ever hear of somebody in a car, wasn't stuck in the car, just the front of the car was smashed, When you ever heard of somebody, them just leaving somebody for an hour in the car?
00:18:10.000There's the video of her legs flopping as they're leaning in over.
00:18:15.000They're gonna kill me in a fake auto accident!
00:19:32.000Gonna be in production for another year.
00:19:37.000And he was going to call, or get the call, his weekly call from Premier Ricky Ross in prison, where Gary Webb got a lot of his information.
00:19:47.000And when he called him, he didn't know that Gary died, and that was all caught on tape.
00:19:53.000We'll air that tomorrow, perhaps even in the third hour today, if Kevin's able to get back to his office and do it.
00:19:58.000But he will be joining us in the next segment from the road.
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00:25:16.000He was one of the main sources for Gary Webb, the Pulitzer Prize winning author of the book Dark Alliance CIA Drug Series in the San Jose Mercury News.
00:25:30.000And then of course he then wrote the best-selling book Dark Alliance.
00:25:34.000He was shotgunned in the face, something that the major newspapers aren't reporting, but I have this from direct sources in Sacramento, and some of Gary's best friends and associates.
00:25:49.000He was shotgunned in the face, and then movers who were coming to the house found a note on the door saying, don't come in, call 911, call an ambulance.
00:26:00.000Yesterday, Kevin called me, and again, we've interviewed Ricky in the past.
00:26:04.000He said, Ricky's scheduled to call me tonight at 1030, because you can't call him at the federal prison he's in.
00:26:09.000They've moved him there from Victorville, Florida.
00:26:29.000To the panhandle of Texas, North Texas, where they do not let media in to interview Mr. Rauch.
00:26:38.000So we've been doing it over the telephone.
00:26:41.000Kevin Booth was able to get the call last night and had the unfortunate job of breaking the news to Freeway Ricky Ross that Gary Webb had died from gunshot wound to the head to the face in very questionable circumstances and now Kevin can reveal to us what Gary Webb via telephone had recently told Freeway Ricky Ross.
00:27:11.000We've got about three minutes before we hit break.
00:27:13.000Just tell folks basically who Freeway Ricky is and what happened in the conversation last night.
00:27:18.000Well, I guess, you know, like you said, Ricky Ross just became known as the biggest crack dealer in West Coast history.
00:27:27.000The name Freeway came from the fact that he was buying up so much real estate along the Harbor Freeway in Los Angeles.
00:27:34.000And when he finally got put away the second time, he didn't know that the CIA was behind, you know, allowing him to become so big.
00:27:44.000Basically, it's not like CIA agents were supplying them with cocaine.
00:27:48.000It's more like he just couldn't believe he never got caught.
00:27:51.000And he couldn't believe how low the prices were.
00:27:53.000And he couldn't believe how easy it all was.
00:27:55.000Well, people... I mean, in the Dark Alliance series and talking to Ricky, they had a go-between, but it was Contras directly selling him, and then the Contras flying back were all part of the CIA operation.
00:28:11.000Like you said, he was in the Victorville prison right above Los Angeles there.
00:28:21.000The last time he spoke to Gary, Which wasn't that long ago.
00:28:26.000You know, he told me that Gary was still working on the story.
00:28:30.000That this was the kind of thing that Gary was never going to give up on because Gary felt like he could just keep going with this forever and uncover more and more people and exposing more names.
00:28:41.000But he did tell me that Gary knew he was being followed every time he drove somewhere.
00:28:44.000There was always cars following him around.
00:28:46.000He said he knew it was government people.
00:28:48.000Several times he came home to his apartment, a two-story apartment, late at night And a guy would come shimmying down like a drainage pipe, you know, off of his balcony.
00:28:57.000And, you know, I could tell it wasn't a burglar.
00:28:59.000I mean, it was obviously somebody probably in his apartment rummaging around looking at documents or looking at his computer.
00:29:13.000yeah definitely and i mean it and it and it you know it's so i don't like their that the whole suicide angle of the story i mean it it's kind of like they they they did stuff to kind of freak him out to intimidate them to push him to actually being depressed but i mean everybody i've spoken to Ricky included said there's no way, you know, that this guy would have taken his life.
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00:33:15.000Coming up in a few minutes, we'll be talking to Selly Castillo, of course, the top DEA agent in Latin America, Central and South America, who was eyewitness to masses of drug deals by the CIA and by the Contras, and another one of Gary Webbs Sources, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of the Dark Alliance series and the San Jose Mercury News, then wrote the best-selling book, Dark Alliance, CIA Drug Trafficking.
00:33:45.000And the New Development's Kevin Booth, again, who's been interviewing, talked to him last night.
00:33:51.000I've interviewed him for the film as well.
00:33:54.000Talking to Freeway Ricky Ross, who was the person who was supplied with CIA cocaine and the biggest known drug dealer in West Coast history.
00:34:06.000Tens of millions of dollars a day going on for years and was absolutely untouchable, one of the major sources for the Dark Alliance piece.
00:34:15.000Kevin broke the news to Freeway Ricky, Ricky Ross, last night.
00:34:23.000Describe for us, Kevin, before we get back into the people that were rummaging through and up on his balcony and following Gary Webb around, according to Ricky Ross, how did Ricky take it when you described it to him?
00:34:37.000I know we're going to be able to play that on the air, but you weren't at your office when I called you for this broadcast this morning, and so we're not going to be able to have that until tomorrow.
00:34:49.000But, Kevin, describe that discussion for us.
00:34:53.000Oh, he took it really bad, you know, I mean, he thought of Ricky as a, I mean, he thought of him as like a godsend, and that, you know, this guy, Gary put his life on the line to expose this story, and that, you know, he just thought it was really depressing, it just really made him sad, and he said a lot of the guys there in jail We're familiar with the story, and a lot of people are going to be sad.
00:35:22.000When he came out with that story, a lot of people in South Central just kind of had a wake-up call, and it just all rang so true to them.
00:35:33.000One of the crazy parts of the story, too, is that, like I said, Ricky wasn't even aware of all this until he got put in prison and Gary Webb came out to try to to help him with his case.
00:35:48.000And that's when all this evidence started becoming uncovered.
00:35:50.000And it was just like with me working on this film about the drug war, it's just like one thing leads to another.
00:36:16.000He said, absolutely not, because Gary was still hot on the trail and he was never going to give up on this thing.
00:36:23.000He had just recently been vindicated that the establishment media had been trying to attack him with ham-fisted
00:36:33.000Attacks, but it wasn't working and he had just as of late brought out a lot of new evidence He had been vindicated that was starting to come out in the news He was still on the trail that had been reported on now Sully Castillo is Joining us right now Kevin and he may not be aware of this new development when you talked to Ricky Ross last night for Sully
00:36:57.000Please repeat what Ricky told you Gary told him about people at his apartment and about being followed.
00:37:08.000Yeah, he knew that he was being followed all the time and there are several instances where he would come home after working all day late at night and he would see a guy shimmy down like he had a drain pipe that went up to the balcony on the second floor apartment And these guys that were definitely not burglars would come shimmying down the pole really fast and just disappear.
00:37:31.000And he was pretty confident that they were up there rummaging through documents looking at his computer.
00:37:37.000What was the term, and again we're going to air this interview, but Kevin, what was the term he used to describe to me?
00:37:46.000Why did he think that they weren't just regular burglars?
00:37:51.000I believe he described it as it was just so professional how they did it.
00:38:15.000Anything else he told you during this interview?
00:38:17.000I mean, I've been doing interviews before with you with Ricky and he only gets about 15 minutes and then the president cuts him off.
00:38:24.000This is the only way we're allowed to interview him.
00:38:25.000They don't really let the media in to interview him, and you've actually had to contact lawyers and have started proceedings concerning that because they're not supposed to be able to do that.
00:38:33.000Oh yeah, another part to the story I didn't know about was that, you know, after Chico and Ricky had gotten arrested that time, I guess there was some production company in New York that wanted to, uh, that was trying to buy the rights to do like a film about this.
00:38:50.000And the DEA raided their office and confiscated everything.
00:38:54.000Some big like film company in New York and definitely put an end to any thoughts that these guys were going to make a movie about this.
00:39:02.000Yeah, this would blow Scarface, which is based on some real characters, out of the water.
00:39:07.000I mean, this is a film that needs to be made.
00:40:15.000And show the pictures of the CIA drug dealers.
00:40:18.000He shows us the connection to Latin America, how that coupled through to people like Freeway Ricky Ross, and the direct connection of the CIA and these conduits to people like Freeway Ricky Ross.
00:40:32.000and the LAPD protecting Ricky Ross and other top drug dealers.
00:40:36.000Shelly, was this a new development for you to learn that Kevin talked to Freeway Ricky and found out that he had told Freeway Ricky that he had men in his house and things?
00:40:46.000I've heard something to that effect, but I wasn't very sure on it what actually did happen.
00:40:53.000But my whole point to this issue is the fact that you've got to remember one thing.
00:40:58.000Nobody's ever done a movie or a documentary on the Iran-Contra investigation, which involved the CIA involving drug trafficking.
00:41:07.000Now, Gary Webb at one point pointed to the assets that were heavily involved, and I myself pointed to actually the CIA officials who were actually participating in loading and unloading and refueling the planes.
00:41:23.000You came to Austin and did a two-hour presentation and showed photos of them, documents, everything.
00:41:28.000Yeah, I got another hundred set of slides I'm going to bring over to Kevin Booth so he can put them on.
00:41:34.000And those slides do have the good, the bad, and the ugly.
00:41:39.000Well, for people that don't know who you are, in a nutshell, tell us what you did and why you went public.
00:41:44.000Describe what you saw in Latin America.
00:41:48.000You gotta remember one thing, you know, I am not an individual who comes off from the left or from the right, but I was reared as a, um, as a very patriotic family.
00:41:58.000You know, coming from a very patriotic family and, uh, you know, we all served our country and so forth.
00:42:02.000And when I joined the DEA, I thought that by putting my life on the line that I would make a difference.
00:42:07.000But it was there in Central America in my six years that I realized that we were the enemy.
00:42:12.000We were sleeping with the, with the enemy.
00:42:14.000We were, uh, involving drug trafficking and, When I tried to expose the whole issue, I remember Randy Capster, a CIA official, saying to me, you know, nobody's going to listen to you.
00:42:27.000We've been doing this for years and nobody's going to ever, ever stop us.
00:43:02.000I had a CIO, a patient by the name of Randy Capster, who was down there for close to seven, eight years, involving those covert operations.
00:43:12.000And, you know, he was involved in training the dead squads and, you know, basically just about everything you can do covertly in Central America, he was involved in.
00:43:22.000And I have about an hour long video that's just full of clips of you on national television going over much of this in years past and they're unable to even challenge you.
00:43:34.000You've got to be worried a little bit about your safety, sir.
00:43:36.000Well, you know, recently, I'll be honest with you, I've had some vehicles follow me around.
00:43:43.000uh... trying to you know i could tell their government you know uh... because of my experiences and how they uh... when you approach them they turn their face and you know they're on the cell phone and but i've been under surveillance for quite a while now and uh... but you're not afraid you were a highly decorated sniper in vietnam exactly but my point is this you know i've i've i've since vietnam let's put it this way i've been on borrowed time so i make my uh...
00:44:57.000And they described his face from the sources.
00:44:59.000And you got a call just two hours after they found him.
00:45:03.000You were notified that his face was basically unrecognizable.
00:45:07.000Well, a shotgun doesn't do that if it's point-blank.
00:45:11.000A shotgun only does that from a few feet away for the pattern to expand.
00:45:16.000People don't normally commit suicide with a shotgun to the face.
00:45:19.000Can you comment on what you learned about this?
00:45:21.000Well, I got a call from Michael Rupert who eventually got his information right away after the incident.
00:45:29.000He knew that there was a note that had been left and so forth.
00:45:32.000and that he was planning to move that morning at the moors coming in.
00:45:36.000And they found that note on the door, you know, allegedly that saying do not come in, you know, call 911 and call an ambulance.
00:45:46.000I mean, why on earth, if you're going to commit suicide, would you like to, you know, bring an ambulance if you shoot yourself with a 12-gauge shotgun?
00:45:55.000Well, that sounds like classic mafia activity blowing somebody's face off.
00:46:00.000To be honest with you, I really think when we speak about government people, I speak about Felix Rodriguez and his goon squads that have been involved in all kinds of assassination attempts, whether it's foreign or domestic.
00:46:14.000You know, Felix and his group are very well documented as train assassins.
00:46:21.000They just marched up and machine gunned him.
00:46:24.000And, you know, they blamed a couple of Colombians for that and so forth, but there's always people that are willing to take the fall for the agency.
00:47:10.000And, you know, we went out there and conducted this investigation.
00:47:13.000And so you've signed on to fight drugs.
00:47:17.000When did you find out that it was the government controlling it?
00:47:20.000Well, from the very get-go, you know, I was, you know, when I got into Guatemala City and my contractor, Robert Steele, said to me, you know, there's some funny things going on in Salvador and just don't step on anybody's toes.
00:47:35.000You know don't don't report anything and you know everything comes to me and so forth and sure enough my source of information was a guy who did all the flight plans for the for the counterpilots that were heavily involved in drug trafficking and it was very well documented of money being seized in the US and drugs being seized in the US that came out of Belopongo.
00:47:55.000There's no doubt about that and we ourselves refuel some of those planes and With the anticipation of being seized in the U.S.
00:48:32.000The thing about it that vindicates Gary Webb was the fact that the Contra story, the final report, Higgs, a CIA official, admits that they were sleeping with the enemy, and that there was an agreement between the CIA and the State Department not reporting this incident.
00:48:51.000What's always interesting to me is for you to explain how like the whole supply chain of like how it got from Ilopongo all the way into the hands of Ricky Ross and how did Ricky Ross do this for years without even knowing who was really behind it just to show like the level of compartmentalization.
00:49:08.000Right, see what happened was Ricky would not ask any questions.
00:49:21.000He was able, everybody came to him from all over the country and he started major distribution points and we saturated the country with cocaine.
00:49:31.000The colonel who was the head in Latin America back in 1998 for all counter-drug operations was caught shipping in masses of cocaine and heroin into New York.
00:49:44.000And when I asked Barry McCaffrey about it, you know, he just literally turned red and couldn't talk, and the whole audience started clapping and laughing at him.
00:49:54.000I mean, we've caught these people red-handed, Sully.
00:49:57.000Well, you know, we have a CIO facial in Venezuela who shipped a thousand keys of cocaine without the approval of the DEA, and then he was arrested, and so forth.
00:50:08.000So there are instances that are very well documented that our government was heavily involved in drug trafficking.
00:50:16.000I mean, the final report acknowledged the fact that it did happen, and they turned a blind eye to it.
00:50:22.000Kevin Booth, anything else you want to add from the interview you taped last night?
00:50:27.000No, just, you know, I mean, how, you know, that I think Ricky was really sincere when he felt like a real loss with Gary's death, regardless.
00:50:41.000It was a loss to him that he felt Gary was like a godsend in his life and that he probably wouldn't even be alive right now if it wasn't for Gary exposing this story.
00:50:49.000Alright Kevin, try to get back to your office and see if we can get that in the third hour.
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00:55:24.000That's why I will never use any of these drugs.
00:55:27.000Not to mention the fact they're bad for you and very destructive.
00:57:43.000Sully, we're about to break, but in the next hour with Chico, what are some of the things you want to get into?
00:57:48.000Well, basically, um, the acknowledgement of the fact that, to affirm the fact that the CIA was involved, how the whole operation was run out of L.A.
00:57:59.000and, uh, Manassas and, uh, Blendon, how they were actually, uh, Uh, getting their supply from the CIA.
00:58:06.000And also, during the break, I said, have they broken into your house?
00:58:21.000I'll put, like, scotch tape on the seams of my door.
00:58:25.000And to find out if somebody actually came into my house or not when I was gone.
00:58:29.000And they've been broken, which means they were inside the house.
00:58:33.000And, you know, you go and you look at your computer and you look at your stuff, and there's some pictures that I've had thrown away, copies of them, that were taken, pictures of CIA officials that I had copied off.
00:58:47.000We'll be right back with the second hour.
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00:59:09.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:59:16.000Shelly Castillo, the senior DEA agent for Latin America, helped contribute to a lot of Gary Webb's Pulitzer Prize winning work exposing CIA drug trafficking, is here with us. helped contribute to a lot of Gary Webb's Pulitzer Prize Shelly Chico Brown, associate of the biggest drug dealer in West Coast history.
00:59:41.000Who is in prison, who we interviewed last night via telephone.
00:59:45.000We just gave you those revelations from the federal prison he's in in North Texas.
00:59:49.000Again, Chico Brown, the associate of Freeway Ricky Ross.
00:59:55.000Very Webb, shot in the face with a shotgun.
00:59:57.000And he told Freeway Ricky Ross in a phone conversation that he would come home and men, obviously very highly trained, government types was his term, would shimmy down the drain pipe and run off.
01:00:13.000He's got people going into his house, taking photos.
01:00:15.000He's got, of CIA officials he knows, was involved in drug trade.
01:00:19.000Selly's come to town and gone over these documents publicly at public events and been on some of the local TV shows and been on this radio show.
01:01:14.000Basically, you know, I, I, I, the way I was raised was, you know, you would thought what was right, what was wrong.
01:01:21.000And basically I've, I've always stood by that and, uh, was always doing the right thing, whether, whether, you know, I felt about, you know, good about it or not that, you know, I had to do the right thing.
01:01:31.000And when I got started working with the government, I realized that at the end of the day, we ended up being the enemy and, and the bad guys and the assassins and the murders and everything else.
01:01:46.000I couldn't understand why one arm of the government was fighting the so-called war on drugs, while the other arm was sleeping with the cartels.
01:01:52.000And it was then and there that I realized that this is not the government that I thought I was going to be protecting and serving.
01:02:02.000I realized that I had to do something.
01:02:04.000So I started, knowing the fact that I would end my career with the DEA, which basically I did.
01:02:12.000Informing Washington and the ambassadors about the atrocities that were occurring in their countries.
01:02:20.000And even at the end when I left, you know, my whole look at life was affected.
01:02:27.000I was looking for a job when I found that.
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01:02:34.000I continued to talk about it after I left and documented One of the greatest things that's saved me, I think, has been my documents, my journals.
01:02:43.000I've documented just about everything that happened in Central America.
01:02:58.000We, you know, were running a covert operation, undercover operations, refueling those planes that we call the Islanders.
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01:03:20.000And, you know, I started to question the fact that, you know, nothing would ever happen.
01:03:25.000So, the DEA was part of those covert operations and saturated the whole country.
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01:06:59.000Gary Webb, Pulitzer Prize winning writer for the San Jose Mercury News, who also wrote the best-selling book Dark Alliance, was shotgunned in the face two days ago.
01:07:12.000And we talked to Freeway Ricky Ross from prison last night.
01:07:18.000He learned from us that he's one of the main sources for Gary Webb, that Gary had died and said that Gary, the last time he talked to him, said he was being followed.
01:07:29.000All over the place by government people that he'd come home to his house at least twice and government men, you know, with precision would shimmy down a small drain pipe down the back of his house from the two-story window and run off into the night.
01:07:45.000He was working on news stories and Gary focused in his first series on the drug dealing in South Central, the connection to the conference and the CIA And then, of course, Sully Castillo was the head of the DEA operations in Latin America, folks.
01:08:02.000And for years, he became aware of this, documented it, took the photos, the documents, was basically threatened over it.
01:08:08.000He's come to Austin and done two-hour presentations showing the photos, the documents, who the drug dealers are.
01:08:13.000He was there, in Latin America, watching the DEA fuel the drug planes.
01:08:20.000It's unbelievable, ladies and gentlemen, and of course he was a friend of Gary Webb's and learned of it within two hours after they found his body, his face, shotgunned away.
01:08:31.000And again, folks, for those that don't use firearms a lot, haven't done a lot of hunting, haven't done a lot of target practice and shooting, you shoot somebody with a 12-gauge up close, it just blows a big hole in their head.
01:08:41.000You've got to shoot them from at least five feet away to blow their face off.
01:08:44.000I don't want to go into too many details of it, but the pattern spreads out from there.
01:09:07.000Yesterday, the paramedics went public, in England, with Dr. David Kelly, The top UN weapons inspector from England who said that there were no weapons of mass destruction.
01:09:17.000And then he told an American colleague and a British colleague that, quote, if I don't shut up, they're gonna kill me and put me in the woods.
01:10:00.000is that they do this over and over again.
01:10:02.000We saw Fannie Malick, the Arkansas Medical Examiner, with people with two shotgun blasts to the head, people with arms and legs cut off in trash dumps, and they would rule this as suicides.
01:10:13.000We've seen cops killed in the Oklahoma City bombing case who were exposing government involvement, stabbed 13 times, throats slit, handcuff marks, people tortured with electricity marks all over them, beaten from head to toe, beatings on the bottoms of their feet, and these sicko coroners will say, suicide!
01:12:22.000Tell us a little bit, I mean, what did you think when you got the call?
01:12:27.000Well, I always knew because it always came up.
01:12:31.000One of these days we'll get that call and say that happened to him or somebody that was involved in this case.
01:12:37.000That wasn't it wasn't shocking to me that they would say that because I knew cuz he ride in the car with him You know many times and we just talked about that stuff and he was like, you know You should tell me you know when it first to case first book I'm saving you know scared for your life He would say something like you know what Chico you know I just got to do what I have to do but you know I've been getting death threats and stuff like that This is where we first The case first came open Now again, on record, he told you he'd been getting death threats when he was first working on the case.
01:13:22.000You know, he wanted to talk to me about the case and stuff, and so in that conversation he was always saying, you know, I get death threats all the time, Chico, and so to me when it happened, when I got the news, I actually read it in the paper, my father called me, and I was like, man, that time, because he always told me like, you know, something like that would happen, like, you know, they can get you anytime they want, stuff like that, and so I automatically said to myself, damn, my father said, he killed himself.
01:13:51.000I said, yeah, right, my father said the same thing.
01:13:55.000I just knew one day that day was going to happen.
01:13:57.000One day we were going to get that call.
01:13:59.000I just talked to you during the break and Shelly just learned of this.
01:14:01.000We talked to Freeway Ricky from prison last night.
01:14:09.000But he said the last time he talked to Gary, Gary said, this was recently, he was being followed by cars.
01:14:15.000He would come home and men, I would call it special forces type, but he described them as government, with great skill, would literally just leap down and slide down the drain pipe and run off into the darkness.
01:14:26.000Cellies had people breaking into his house.
01:14:29.000What was that revelation like for you?
01:14:31.000Yeah, I know, because I think I talked to him about six months ago, and when they said suicide to me, I know the guy, I know he'd never do nothing like that, but for him to just open and say something like that, I was like, man, and then when I talked to Rick Mother, the day I called her first words were like, Chico, they killed him, you know?
01:14:52.000And that was her first word, I said, you know, Gary's dead.
01:15:24.000We saw it with the different kinds of Hit squads that they bring down to the US to commit these atrocities.
01:15:34.000Now, Sully, you're a unique expert on this subject.
01:15:37.000I mean, you were, I don't want to call you an assassin, but a highly decorated Vietnam sniper, then the head of DEA operations in Latin America, witnessing all this death squads and stuff going on in drug dealing, and so when you say this is the M.O., I mean, how can police then just automatically, suicide, case closed, how do they control local Sacramento police to that level?
01:15:59.000Well, because of uh... you know coming down from from washington you know it's uh... every operation is approved by the CIA every single one of them is approved so uh... they know better than to mess around with them because of uh... you know they use all kinds of techniques uh... you know one of the first tools that they use against individuals would be like the IRS you get audited and you know you end up paying thousands of dollars that's the first tool to let you know that uh... that uh...
01:16:29.000You know, they're after you and they give it to you.
01:17:05.000Chico Brown, what do you think about, it seems like the corruption gets worse and worse.
01:17:12.000The good news is, everybody I've talked to now, it's an open secret that the government controls the drug trade.
01:17:16.000But still, now everybody knows the truth, but still the SWAT teams will raid some teenager's house for a bag of marijuana and ruin their life.
01:17:24.000Well, man, that's so true because, you know, when that story first broke and everybody was excited for it, the L.A.
01:17:31.000Times, Washington Post, I remember Gary was there.
01:17:34.000You know, they want my story to go, they want my story, but he wasn't willing to give his story to the bigger newspaper, and then there was a conflict right there, and you know, This story was unique and it was true.
01:17:44.000You know, it had facts and they were like, okay, if you don't want to do this, this is what we're going to do.
01:17:49.000And then when they wrote the three-page series denying everything that he said and worked hard on, you know, that's when I knew, well, man, we got, we have problems.
01:18:05.000You know, I'm an expert witness now for entrapment and informants for the defense.
01:18:10.000Well, I get hired or retained by different attorneys and families from all over the country.
01:18:16.000And every single, every single case that I've worked on for the defense, we realize and we find out the perjury, the corruption that the government is using to destroy families.
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01:24:15.000I mean, I go out and travel all over the states and speak about it.
01:24:17.000That's the message to keep kids out of drugs is to explain to them that it's a trap literally laid by the establishment to get them into these private prisons.
01:24:38.000Well, anybody can email me at the very simple email address called powderburn at prodigy dot net.
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01:25:51.000Well, let me just say one thing that's so simple.
01:25:55.000You've got to remember, nobody's done a documentary on our encounter.
01:26:00.000Or the whole issue with the CIA involving drug trafficking.
01:26:03.000And maybe that's what he was trying to put together.
01:26:05.000Something that was going to expose the Bush administration.
01:26:09.000Going back, there's a book called Firewall by Lawrence Walsh who wrote about how they conspired and how they covered up the whole operation.
01:26:19.000So, you know, that could possibly be it, but I think that we need to have some kind of documentary out there.
01:26:26.000And to really educate, you know, I'll be glad to donate my pictures and my films to that whole issue, but it's got to be done.
01:26:36.000You know, Fahrenheit 9-11, everybody went crazy, you know, the most documentary thing done.
01:26:44.000And that's exactly, so now we have something that we can actually go out there and not, don't let Gary's dad be a denial to Everybody else that needs to be educated or into what's really going on with the government.
01:26:59.000What about also trying to force the local police to have it as a murder investigation?
01:27:05.000I guess the people who know you've been saying he was getting threatened and stuff should call the police and call the media and go, how dare you?
01:27:11.000You know, I just wrote a story on a Soldier of Fortune magazine and Felix came on and he's an acknowledgement with how they killed Che Guevara.
01:27:55.000Chico, comments to keeping Gary's memory and work alive?
01:27:59.000We definitely gotta do something, um, you know, like you said, do a film about the situation.
01:28:05.000I think if the mass public know what really goes on, what went on, and saw these documents that Jerry has, that a lot of people have, that I have, that people never seen, and just know what went on in our courtroom, when he was willing to testify, and they talk about, you know, the CIA was there, and everything that's coming up right now was not allowed in me and Rick's We got a break.
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01:33:28.000Sully Castillo, of course, a senior DEA officer for, what, seven years in Latin America, tried to blow the whistle on all this, but here in Texas, do you remember back in the late 90s, when they had that tractor trailer of CIA coke, and they made them just Absolutely, and it's still continuing.
01:33:48.000We had it for a day, but in order to let it go, it was the government's.
01:33:52.000Absolutely, and it's still continuing.
01:33:54.000Just recently, there's a senior DEA agent that's been involved in drug trafficking for many years for the cartels in Mexico, and he sells a lot of the information to the drug traffickers organizations.
01:34:09.000And this guy's been around for close to almost 20 years now, and nothing's ever happened to him because he's part of the apparatus that's built right outside the intelligence agency.
01:34:19.000They're continuing to finance drug trafficking.
01:34:24.000Well, all these intelligence agencies are like Twin Towers.
01:34:27.000The corrupt rotten part is a small part, but it's the top.
01:34:31.000Everybody else knows to go along, and they build right next to it the whole system that runs parallel.
01:35:08.000And see, and they do this, Alex, because they know that at the end of the year, the President will pardon a lot of these individuals that work for him.
01:35:37.000tells Dan Burton's committee, don't go after Clinton for pardoning giant Coke dealers, and then the media doesn't even pick up on it, showing these guys are all just puppets.
01:35:46.000And that's why they do all this, and they get away with it, because even if they get arrested, at the end of the day, they'll be pardoned.
01:35:52.000Well, Sully, I'll tell you what I don't like, and Chico, I'll tell you what I don't like.
01:35:57.000I don't use drugs other than an occasional cerveza with my Mexican food or a glass of red wine with my Italian food.
01:36:03.000I drink one cup of coffee in the morning.
01:36:06.000I mean, that's the extent of my drug use.
01:36:08.000But I've many times had the police pull me over, ask to search my car, and I tell them no, and they act like I'm evil and go, what do you have to hide?
01:36:15.000I go, it's called the Fourth Amendment, bro.
01:36:17.000Don't you want your kids to grow up in a free country?
01:36:20.000Don't you know your bosses bring the drugs in?
01:36:23.000They're just, and by making drugs illegal, it puts the profit in it, and brings the gangs in, and criminalizes our society, and drives the crime wave!
01:36:34.000Absolutely, that's what I teach some of my kids at the high school on criminal justice.
01:36:39.000I teach them that racial profiling is alive and well in Texas, all over the country.
01:36:45.000And you know, you lost your Fourth Amendment right, and I'm profiling.
01:36:56.000I mean, but it's like, we're allowed to be even meaner to the minorities, but I'm a white guy, man, with blonde hair and blue eyes, and they're pretty mean to me!
01:37:39.000One of the first questions they'll ask you is, for example, they'll stop the driver and get him off, and then they'll go ask the passenger, what was the last time you filled up, left your car?
01:37:51.000And I've taught my kids that once you get stopped and you say no to the search, and they say, well, you know, I'm going to do that, or I'm going to bring the dog to the probable cause.
01:38:32.000In Round Rock, Texas, for not returning, I mean a week late, a videotape to Blockbuster Hollywood Video.
01:38:39.000I have Associated Press articles where somebody moves and forgets to return a library book and when they come back to town later and get arrested, they're charging him.
01:39:08.000They'll arrest old men with vet stickers for having a filleting knife in their car.
01:39:14.000They'll arrest people who, I have friends, one guy's like 45 years old, owns his own company, you know, with the lawnmowers and trimming yards.
01:39:23.000They arrested one of the members of his crew because there was a machete in the back.
01:39:26.000Folks, you use a machete when you're clearing brush in somebody's backyard.
01:39:55.000A dead knife or whatever they want to come out with.
01:39:58.000uh... making charge with and it's it's all uh... it's all up to them and that's why you never get permission for them to search no matter what never get permission.
01:40:06.000Because then if they do it without a warrant and they get the knife then you're going to have a defense in court.
01:40:11.000Exactly and see once you target those police officers for doing it they have a uh... a tail what we call a cola which means this guy has been involved in a lot of civil rights violations and I think people will start listening to him or you get a civil rights attorney.
01:40:59.000We've got cases where the old man or old lady has their, you know, you take, they sell it at all the grocery stores, a little pill box where you take the pills you need and you put them for the day and they're when you go on a day trip.
01:41:10.000They're arresting people for having their pills out of their pill bottles.
01:42:27.000Yeah, and that represents one third of the entire world's drug trade, that Afghan Golden Crescent, you know, $200 billion or more.
01:42:36.000And so now the reports are, you know, record levels of heroin and opium on the streets of London.
01:42:42.000And Tony Blair promised us that he would bomb the poppy fields.
01:42:45.000So they're bringing this system in, which ties in with exactly the same kind of police state measures that are being introduced in this country as they are in America.
01:42:54.000Things like the ID cards and internal checkpoints.
01:42:58.000So it's the same system being introduced at the same time.
01:43:03.000We've been covering the obvious murder, and I'll say it, it should be a homicide investigation of Gary Webb.
01:43:09.000Some incredible revelations, Paul, listing the last hour.
01:43:11.000Do you have any questions for Chico Brown or for Sully Castillo concerning this murder?
01:43:18.000Well, my thoughts on it, as you mentioned before, are the media complicity in the reporting of the death.
01:43:27.000You know, aside from the fact that so-called suicides related to the Bush crime family, Or, you know, akin to winning the lottery jackpot twice with two tickets.
01:43:37.000The media have been complicit in that they calmly reported the cause of death, and they've now since amended a lot of the articles to try and hide this, to be shotgun wounds, that's wounds plural, to the face.
01:43:51.000Now, number one, if you shoot yourself in the face, you're not going to be in any kind of state to pull the trigger again.
01:43:57.000That's right, the original article said wounds.
01:45:02.000Well, that's like two shotgun wounds to the back of the head.
01:45:04.000It's impossible to shoot yourself twice in the head with a shotgun.
01:45:07.000There's also a very similar case that happened a few years ago in El Toro where that colonel up there was trying to, uh, was getting ready to blow the whistle on the government's drug trafficking.
01:45:21.000Yeah, the marine colonel that was shot in the back and he also committed suicide according to the military.
01:45:31.000I mean, how do cops come and stand over a dead colonel who stood up against drug dealing and see him shot in the back and go, well, we don't want this to happen to us because we're little cowards.
01:45:50.000Well, yeah, that's another one of the aspects to this.
01:45:52.000There's been this argument of, you know, why kill him now?
01:45:56.000After all, his great reporting has already come out.
01:45:59.000Obviously, as you've been talking about, he had new information that he was working on, which was on the way.
01:46:04.000And, you know, it would have been easier to get rid of him now, you know, in a time when he was out of the spotlight, rather than later on when he's back in the spotlight.
01:46:13.000But also, you know, it's a fair assumption to make that this is also I absolutely agree with that.
01:46:18.000of brute intimidation to anyone else out there with the same kind of sensitive information, whether that be related to the CIA drugs issue or any other issue.
01:46:27.000Keep your mouth shut, there'll be consequences. - Yes, because now they're gonna be taking steps to do things that have been done before covertly, but now it's not gonna be covertly.
01:46:39.000They're just going to go out there outright and just do whatever the heck they want to do.
01:46:43.000And if anybody wants to complain about it or whatever, then that's a sign.
01:46:59.000We're going to come after anybody who goes against them.
01:47:02.000You know, I'm going to do something, and I know that I'm going to let, unless he wants to stay with us and he's welcome to, Chico go here in a few minutes.
01:47:15.000But regardless, I want to keep the lines open here for only police officers or retired police officers or retired or current intelligence people who want to call in and try to refute this or add to it, call in.
01:47:32.000With your experiences or what you've witnessed, 1-800-259-9231, 1-800-259-9231.
01:47:42.000But, Sully, you know, you raised this earlier.
01:47:44.000All they do is turn people into icons they kill.
01:47:47.000Even if we remember them and talk about them.
01:47:51.000And that's something that has to be done here with Gary Webb.
01:47:56.000I mean, if they kill me, or they kill you, and we're on record, you know, saying we're not going to commit suicide, I expect people to keep the memory alive and to use it against the New World Order.
01:48:06.000And we've got to go different, you know, we need to go to the universities and lecture to them about what happened to Gary Webb, because those are going to be the leaders of our country one day, or people that we really need to go out, you know, grassroots individuals They need to be educated in a, you know, I'm part of a group called People for Peace and Justice now, and they're a whole bunch of young kids.
01:48:30.000And when you talk to them about the CIA and the involvement in atrocities, straight into that, and so forth, that's what's going on in Colombia right now, see?
01:48:37.000And they're not aware of those situations, and we need to educate them, bring them up to par on the whole issues of what our government is doing.
01:48:46.000Chico, anything else in closing you want to add?
01:48:49.000I want to thank you for coming on with us.
01:48:55.000You know, we're all in this position where at any time something can happen, but that's not changing my mind and my thoughts of what Gary believes and what I believe in.
01:49:05.000You know, and that's the truth of what happened in today's society, especially drug trade and how the government was involved.
01:49:13.000You know, like you said, we're on record.
01:49:14.000So, whatever, you know, if something happened to me, I didn't kill myself.
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01:53:33.000Starting with drug trade or other government cover-ups, if you're a police officer or work in law enforcement and have seen this, want to just make a comment or two on the subject.
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01:55:46.000Okay, yeah, I work for a small agency in Tucson.
01:55:50.000years ago and the reason I would never be able to serve on a jury is something that I had jury duty a couple times.
01:55:55.000I tell them right off the bat that I've witnessed this before where I was responsible for typing up the blotter and I know good and well what happened out in the field because I was in radio contact and I followed the sequence of events that would happen in a certain arrest or this or that and then the officers got back to the station and I'm sort of under their, as part of the job, I'm under their authority Boy, that's just classic.
01:57:03.000See, and everybody's cocky about it now.
01:57:05.000They're so blunt about doing what they're doing.
01:57:09.000Because they feel that they're protected.
01:57:12.000And also a lot of these TV shows, these dramas, the cops do bad things on those shows but they're still good, so cops watch that and that's kind of like a moral comforter.
01:57:21.000Exactly, it's letting you know it's okay for you to do it, you know.
01:57:27.000Well yeah, I mean they call these CCTV cameras up to protect us, but whenever they catch something which the government doesn't want you to find out about, they mysteriously malfunction on every occasion.
01:57:57.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:58:02.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:58:07.000We've got to get this interview up on the web, the audio of it, we will.
01:58:13.000We've also got to get a transcript of it, and coming up either later this hour or tomorrow, we'll be able to play the Freeway Ricky Ross interview that Kevin Booth did with him.
01:58:25.000Of course, we're talking about Gary Webb, shotgun in the face.
01:58:30.000The report first was multiple shotgunnings, but now they're not retracting it, they're They're just removing it.
01:58:39.000And again, he was the big preeminent mainstream media reporter, journalist who had exposed government complicity in the drug trade with the CIA.
01:58:51.000Ricky Ross was one of the main CIA dealers there in California.
01:58:57.000And he learned from this office, basically.
01:59:48.000We'll tell you, you need to do what you gotta do and do it right.
01:59:51.000But when you've got people pressuring you from the chief of police or to anybody else to do the right, to do what they're asking you to do.
02:00:00.000And I remember a guy in Washington, D.C.
02:00:05.000Came all the way from Washington to El Salvador to tell me to use the word alleged because there was no proof that the CIA was involved in drug trafficking.
02:00:14.000I mean, he came all the way down here to try to tell me how to do my job and that was uncalled for and that's when I started to document everything that I could.
02:00:25.000Especially his... I got him documented a time and date when he came up and told me to use the word alleged.
02:00:32.000Paul Watson, I mean, there's no way to deny that you put men with covert powers in around hundreds of billions of dollars, and it isn't going to become corrupt overnight, but this system was corrupt to begin with, Paul.
02:00:47.000The point you mentioned about, you know, why no investigation?
02:00:50.000I mean, here in this country, it's legally imperative that there is a public inquest on anyone's death, where the cause of death isn't totally clear, you know, clear-cut with witnesses.
02:01:02.000Um, so I don't, that should play out in America, but obviously with these high-profile cases, they don't do that.
02:01:09.000Going back to the gunshot wounds, I've got two separate AP reports.
02:01:14.000The first one, which was posted, you know, on a local news channel affiliate website, which, you know, they get them posted within minutes of their release.
02:01:22.000Says gunshot wounds the second AP article which was reposted in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer say single gunshot wound and then the guy that pulled the obituary for one of the big newspapers I'm still trying to confirm which newspaper it was But he said that the coroner told him that Webb had multiple gunshot wounds.
02:01:46.000So that's, you can't argue that that's just a, you know, a difference in grammar between wound and wounds.
02:01:52.000It's clear that he had multiple wounds, is what the journalist who pulled the obituary for one of the newspapers said.
02:01:59.000It's got to be clear, a shotgun, unless it's shooting slugs, shoots out Multiple pellets.
02:02:05.000But we're going to try to find out what's happening here.
02:02:09.000But clearly coroners and police know what two different shotgun wounds look like.
02:02:15.000But bottom line, because of his line of work and what he was into, it should be investigated.
02:02:20.000And then you look at him saying he was being threatened.
02:02:22.000Sully, what does your gut tell you about what the cause of death was?
02:02:27.000I mean, suicide or murder for Gary Webb?
02:02:30.000You know, I think the actor came up to him and, you know, they told him, you know, today's payback day, Gary, and this is gonna happen and you're gonna be here.
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02:06:32.000He, of course, the senior DEA agent for almost seven years in Latin America, publicly saw the government dealing the drugs, bringing them in, fueling the drug planes.
02:06:44.000And Sully, before we went to that break, you were, start over again.
02:06:48.000I mean, clearly, you've studied this, you were a sniper yourself in Vietnam, but clearly you know how these globalist criminals work.
02:06:56.000When they went into his dark house, I asked, do you think they clearly killed him?
02:07:00.000He said he had been death-threatened, had people shimmying down the pole, down the Water pipe coming down from upstairs, several times when he comes home, recently being followed by cars, and please continue, start over and tell us how you think it went.
02:07:21.000Well, I think that, you know, my theory behind it, I think that that happens all the time, but I think that Gary was working on something huge, and I think what he might have been working on, it's just my guess now, I think he was working on Carlos Slater's case.
02:08:31.000But before the break, you described how they like to do it.
02:08:35.000I mean, you know, describing how this man gone down as he, that night in his home.
02:08:43.000Yeah, well, you know, we talk about, you know, the Colonel and El Toro, the same thing, with a shotgun, same M.O., allegedly committed suicide.
02:10:34.000We need to know this, we need to know that.
02:10:36.000Can you just imagine sitting there, figuring that it's the last few minutes of your life, And then they do you the way they do them with a shotgun.
02:12:39.000You know, they all knew he was doing it and they let him do it and got away with it.
02:12:42.000And then they've created this monster that they couldn't destroy.
02:12:46.000Well let me try to, and bring Paul Watson in, let me try to go over that psychology.
02:12:49.000I've found they normally don't just kill you, unless it's organized crime, but separate from the government, for revenge.
02:12:55.000It's normally because you've got a piece of evidence that is source material, original source research, that will burn them, then they'll kill you.
02:13:04.000They'll have a plane bomb your house and say your gas main went off.
02:13:11.000And so, so many people that have information creep around with it and do end up getting killed.
02:13:16.000And it looks to me from the sources I've talked to that Gary was working on something new and big, and that's probably why they killed him.
02:13:22.000Do you think from your gut level they killed him for revenge as payback or because he was working on something new?
02:13:37.000There's no doubt about that because Gary would have to give up.
02:13:40.000And secondly, it's revenge, because he's been on pins in the ass for them for so long, with the CIA and their involvement in drug trafficking.
02:13:49.000And because drugs are still a big issue in America, you know, he would be the one to really start something to restart the whole issue again.
02:14:00.000And we saw with Afghanistan now, with more drugs coming in.
02:14:35.000And they have their people that go out there and kill people and that's exactly how they work.
02:14:39.000They'll talk to you real nice and they'll convince you that you are going to die today and how you're going to die is going to be up to you.
02:14:49.000And that's exactly, I think, what happened to Gary.
02:14:52.000They went in there and they sent him down and they said, look, it's payback time and number two, what do you got?
02:15:34.000Knowing the fact that when the President leaves, it's going to bother them.
02:15:39.000Paul Watson, I appreciate you holding during this.
02:15:41.000Anything you want to add to what Sally's been saying?
02:15:45.000Well, yeah, talking about the criminology, and this is the same case, I believe, with the so-called suicide of David Kelly.
02:15:53.000It's almost a case that they want to be caught, which is why they do such a shoddy job in covering up the murder, because it works on two levels.
02:16:02.000On one level, they put out the story that it was suicide and, you know, bully the police and the paramedics into toeing that line.
02:16:09.000So that story goes out there, placates the general public.
02:16:13.000Then underneath that, there's all this evidence that it was a shoddy job, which is, you know, what happened with the Kelly murder.
02:16:20.000I mean, the police show up and guys in black uniforms run off, there's no blood at the scene, the paramedics say that, the pills aren't digested in his stomach, he told people they're gonna kill me and put me in the woods.
02:16:31.000Yeah, and this again came out two days ago, and just with this web situation, there was a canned media response, which was, oh, the poor family, surely they just want to move on from all this.
02:16:42.000And if the family knew 5% of the evidence, which they obviously do, against the suicide theory, then they'd want a full public inquest, and not the Hutton whitewash, which Blair said he knew the result of before it even started.
02:16:57.000Michael Shrimpton, the government barrister who was on your broadcast, said the same thing, that he was murdered, that certain elements of MI5 were unhappy about it.
02:17:07.000And, as you mentioned, the simple fact is it takes at least 12 to 24 hours, if not days, to die from slitting your wrist, even if you cut through a major artery.
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02:17:33.000As the paramedics said, they find bodies out there on a monthly basis, but in no other instance was there this massive police and army presence.
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02:21:41.000I was talking to Shelly during the break, and I don't want to embarrass you, Shelly, but you're almost breaking down over this.
02:21:58.000I know you were friends with Gary Webb, and I appreciate...
02:22:02.000I appreciate your courage in Vietnam as a sniper, highly decorated.
02:22:05.000I appreciate your courage down there in the drug war for almost seven years as the head of the DEA in Latin America.
02:22:12.000I appreciate you having the courage to come on this broadcast and we've talked about how you come in your house and they've broken in there and you've gone through a lot and Gary told folks he was being followed and harassed and death-threaded and then to watch the media cover this up but we can get the truth out, we can educate the people and we can explain to the young people, don't use drugs, they're not cool, the government ships them in.
02:22:33.000And that seems to be a good way to get kids to not ever use drugs and see it as a trap, not as something that's cool.
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02:23:06.000Well, Shelley, I think that Gary Webb at 49 survived by children and his wife, I think that he's had a good full life, and I think God was smiling down on him when these sickos obviously killed him, and I think that he's been brought into heaven and is going to be rewarded.
02:23:29.000Yes, that's the very, very sad thing about it.
02:23:32.000He was a good person and all he wanted to do was do the right thing and even though he stepped on people's toes and That's the kind of individual that he was, doing the righteous thing.
02:23:48.000Well, if we had more people like him, we wouldn't be so enslaved right now.
02:23:59.000And once you do that, then you might get a momentum going and hopefully things will change.
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02:25:08.000Later on the emails came out which Kelly had sent with him saying, quote, this should all blow over by early next week.
02:25:15.000And he was talking about the investigations into the Iraqi WMD.
02:25:20.000This should all blow over by early next week when I go back to Iraq.
02:25:25.000And he sent that email on the Monday, Tuesday before he was killed.
02:25:29.000The strongest evidence is him telling other weapons inspectors if I don't shut up I'll be found dead in the woods.
02:25:36.000Yeah, exactly, but that email proves that he was in no mindset to kill himself.
02:25:40.000I mean, he also said he was looking forward to his daughter's wedding later on that month.
02:25:46.000So, I mean, if anyone close to Gary Webb can, you know, who communicated with him by email, can get those emails, then that's a major line of investigation.
02:25:58.000Yep, that's right, and that's what the
02:26:02.000We need to do a lot of people will say well this will blow over and and so forth and that's why we have to continue to to fight for his cause and our cause and and and not let people forget about what happened to him and then you know um you know there's the signs are there you know uh I will tell you today I will never commit suicide but it doesn't mean I'll get hit on with a in an accident and with a 19-wheeler and you know just blow me away or or things like that there's always accidents waiting to happen
02:26:57.000And once you make statements like that, then they'll go to Plan B.
02:27:02.000You know, the guys that do this though, that go around killing good people that stand up for the little folks, they've got to have a hellish world.
02:27:08.000I mean, when I do something bad in my life, it always comes back on me.
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02:31:01.000Then we'll go to John and Rick and William and Jim and Bill.
02:31:04.000That's all the calls we'll have time for.
02:31:06.000And boy, Selly was almost breaking down during a break.
02:31:10.000I was talking to him because he was friends with Gary Webb.
02:32:01.000And then you look at the big private prison companies that are the same ones that are owned by the big families that we know are the biggest drug dealers.
02:32:08.000I mean, they've got quite a system set up.
02:32:10.000I don't know how police can go out and do their job.
02:32:14.000Triple the heroin, double the cocaine on the streets than there was ten years ago.
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02:37:21.000Paul Watson, I want to thank you for riding shotgun with us and holding for all these guests and people.
02:37:27.000I want to go to John and Rick and Jim and Bill and William and others, but right now, for folks that just joined us, any other important news you want to talk about, things that are happening globally?
02:37:41.000Yeah, the global news is the geopolitical situation, and that is that China and Russia have just announced their first joint war games.
02:37:51.000And the two countries are basically following the exact same course as the US is being led down, which is pre-emptive imperial action abroad and, you know, police state measures at home.
02:38:02.000And in the past we've seen that these kind of war games conducted by both China and Russia have been designed around repelling an attack, repelling against an attack by the US.
02:38:13.000Which is no surprise because the neocons don't hide the fact that no matter how large the country is, anybody's a target.
02:38:21.000In their own recent policy documents and these speeches at the Jerusalem Summit, they again listed France as a military enemy.
02:38:31.000And in fact, William Crystal, from the reports that he wrote that we posted on the website, is now encouraging the US to invade South Korea, that's South Korea, not North Korea, under the justification that they're secretly working with the North Koreans in allowing them to advance their nuke program.
02:38:52.000So, in the face of this, it's no surprise that Russia and China are bonding.
02:38:57.000And the man with the soul of love, Mr. Pooty Poot, as Bush calls him, Vladimir Putin... By the way, that's true.
02:39:30.000And so Perle and people within the White House are beginning to question whether Russia should be seen as an enemy again.
02:39:36.000But the overriding factor is that, you know, the neocons can't really have any complaints because what's happening in the US internally is almost as bad as Russia and China.
02:39:47.000Putin just abolished the elections of regional governors by popular vote.
02:39:53.000You know, how different is that from the growth of federalization, the growth of government in the US?
02:39:58.000Regional governors will keep the systems in line?
02:40:35.000It's like high school students who get arrested for having t-shirts with Bush on them saying, not my president.
02:40:42.000And they actually bring the police in and arrest them.
02:40:44.000And then again, that's nothing compared to, you know, the ten-year-old girl who was arrested for bringing a pair of scissors into school.
02:40:52.000She pulled her scissors out during the craft time when they had their little scissors and was cutting and they had to arrest her, this is dangerous for you!
02:41:00.000So again, they're both following the same policies internally and geopolitically.
02:41:06.000But it seems that they're following the same road, but going in different directions.
02:41:10.000So it seems that some organized chaos later on down the road is in the pipeline to create this global horror that the globalists need to put an end to.
02:41:58.000A satanic blood ritual and orgy manuals handed out to the middle school students?
02:42:07.000Yeah, just completely by accident amongst a set of other material.
02:42:12.000I forgot what it was related to now but something mundane.
02:42:15.000Just by accident amongst it are these satanic witch blood ritual manuals which just, you know, casually got handed out amongst the students.
02:42:26.000And I believe that came down directly from the police, so just an accident again.
02:42:52.000So the real, you know, the real education on Christianity, even if you're not a Christian, you know the basic tenets of the Bible and how to live your life, which is, you know, successful and moral.
02:43:02.000That's all being suppressed and even turned into hate crimes in Canada and now the U.S.
02:43:07.000Well, France just passed a law where you criticize or say you don't like homosexuality several years in prison and over a $60,000 fine.
02:43:17.000Yeah, and that's the definition of thought crime.
02:43:20.000Homosexual movement preachers' tolerance doesn't tolerate any criticism of it.
02:43:26.000And that's not being run by even the homosexual leaders of those movements.
02:43:31.000It's all coming down directly from government, who then legislate this into law to make it the pretext for shutting down any kind of free speech.
02:43:42.000Yeah, we may not know the identities of these slimeballs, CI connected slimeballs, who carried out this crime against truth and courage and humanity.
02:43:47.000But I think, well, they're the underground.
02:43:50.000We may not know the identities of these slimeballs, CI-connected slimeballs who carried out this crime against truth and courage and humanity, but I think they're the underground.
02:44:01.000I think we know the overground perpetrators.
02:44:19.000A credibility of character assassination, and they're doing it now posthumously, and I think we've got to realize that we can go after them
02:44:28.000And I was recalling the FAIR.org organization, the Media Monitor, which has become kind of watered down in recent years, but originally their editor went to the New York Times, which is one of the biggest conduits for CI disinformation, and he asked them why they weren't publishing this evidence of CI involvement in drug trafficking that's available in the public record.
02:44:50.000And their top investigator report told them we're never going to allow that information to get to the public.
02:44:58.000But because it was not in a public forum, they could admit this kind of stuff.
02:45:04.000And I think people have got to realize that the CIA, even according to Carl Bernstein, couldn't get it written in his own Washington Post, had to get it written in an alternate magazine years ago.
02:45:13.000That all of the top media, the networks, the New York Times, Washington Post, Time, Newsweek, have collaborated with the CIA all throughout the Cold War in planting false information to frame up countries for attack.
02:45:25.000The NPR pretends to be an alternative.
02:45:27.000Its chairman, Kevin Close, is a former head of all CIA foreign propaganda broadcasting.
02:45:46.000Let's talk, comments, Paul? - Well, yeah, the character assassination hasn't stopped either.
02:45:52.000Miami Herald with the headline, you know, "Web's research based on discredited reports." When the congressional investigations, which proved it, I mean, you just had a former head of DEA who was witness to it.
02:46:08.000So the character assassinations continued, the obituary in the LA Times was scathing as well, which is why we're going to put up this page later on today.
02:46:17.000With all this evidence thrown in with these interviews today which will counter that and that will wreck up the internet.
02:46:33.000Great, you're still on because all of a sudden it sounded like it disappeared.
02:46:38.000I want to come from a different point of view.
02:46:40.000I know Delta, Special Ops, the Navy and so on and everything you say and your experts say just now is absolutely the truth.
02:46:46.000These drugs are coming in and I'm gonna ask them if they're listening now and a lot of them are Christians and they've seen these drugs come in on naval ships and C-130s when they're coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq.
02:46:58.000I want them to speak up and call this radio program today or other days and as we stand up in the tens and the hundreds and the thousands we're going to start coming against this drug war.
02:47:09.000And then I want to mention two other things that haven't been mentioned so far.
02:47:13.000The war on drugs is also a war on pain patients and pain doctors.
02:47:18.000It's going into weird projects that we don't need to discuss.
02:47:22.000By the trillions of dollars in the last number of years.
02:47:25.000And it's subverting the very basis of the Constitution, which is that The Congress determines where money is spent, and there's trillions of dollars that's coming in illegally to these weird projects that we can discuss at another date.
02:47:39.000Yeah, the drug war is hundreds of billions a year that the globalists make off of, and then they make money fighting it and set up the police state.
02:47:47.000And then they're persecuting people who are dying.
02:47:49.000They can't get their pain medications, and they're putting doctors, like Dr. Hurwitz now in Virginia, who's going to jail.
02:47:55.000Looks like multiple life sentences are trying to treat pain patients.
02:48:01.000And if people don't speak up now, that means you people on the front lines that are in CIA and DEA, you've got to start speaking up now because you're on the inside like I've been.
02:48:09.000And you've got to speak up now or your America will be gone.
02:48:14.000And the system will destroy you whether you serve it or not.
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02:53:35.000If you were to be given the choice between appearing with Bill Maher, who yucks it up with former CIA directors, you know, war criminals, or with Jon Stewart, who yucks it up with Henry Kissinger and other various war criminals, or with George Norrie, who is a friend of the people, whose show would you choose to appear on?
02:53:56.000George Norrie, that show's bigger than the Daily Show and it's bigger than the other one.
02:54:11.000I believe we need to take the initiative here because the government's going to crank up this information on Gary Webb.
02:54:19.000Yeah, they do have me on that show on a routine basis, and that is a good idea to go on.
02:54:28.000I don't want to lobby them, but... No, I ask your audience, sir, and I will be part of that effort, to email George Norrie, that's george, at coast2coastam.com.
02:54:40.000And to ask him to put you on for an emergency Gary Webb program.
02:54:45.000And that's George at coast2coastam.com.
02:54:48.000and there's the producer also is coast producer at aol.com that's yeah producer at aol.com yeah i don't want to tell people to lobby them because they are I want your audience to do so, sir.
02:55:01.000They already have me on and they're great folks, but they'll do what they need to do.
02:55:20.000Paul, anything you want to say about that?
02:55:23.000Well, besides that, in, you know, after I get off the air in about two hours it'll be all over the internet anyway in this story we're gonna put together so, you know, we're gonna blitz it out there.
02:55:33.000Yeah, help us spread the word by emailing it out to people.
02:55:50.000Ruby Woods, uh, the shooter there was the same one that was at, uh, Waco.
02:55:57.000And, uh, You were talking about the attitudes of these guys and the evidence to get anybody caught at anything.
02:56:05.000Well, when the government does all that, one of the gentlemen there today mentioned about liars forgetting their lies.
02:56:12.000And, uh, Dan Rather had a segment on 60 Minutes, and you'll remember the issue came up about who was shooting first at Waco, and the doors would tell the difference by which way the shards... Yes.
02:56:24.000Well, the doors conveniently disappeared.
02:56:27.000That's what everybody was told when they cleaned everything up.
02:56:31.000Well, when Dan Rather did the... Call me back!