Alex Jones is joined by John Perkins, author of Confessions of an economic Hitman, to discuss the massive earthquake that struck on the morning of September 11th, 2011, and the possible link between it and the New World Order.
00:00:13.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:21.000Coming up in about an hour and a half, we're going to have John Perkins, the author of Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
00:00:46.000He worked for the big central banks all over the world, helping bring down third world countries, feeding on their populations, trying to create Famine, trying to generate collapse, dependency on the world financial order.
00:01:08.000Now, Joseph Stiklitz, the chief economist at the World Bank, three years ago, quit.
00:01:18.000And then thousands of pages of documents were given to Greg Palast at the BBC, And we subsequently covered it in detail with Greg Palast, even brought forward some new information on this broadcast.
00:01:34.000And the information in those documents mirrors a book that Mr. Perkins has been quietly writing for decades.
00:01:44.000Because of his conscience, and he says that he thought about his children's future in a world run by these people.
00:02:07.000You want to understand how the globalists control the planet.
00:02:10.000You want to understand how they're not free market.
00:02:13.000How they don't care about you being happy and well fed and certainly don't want you to be free.
00:02:21.000So that's coming up in, again, a little less than an hour and a half.
00:02:28.000So much news today, so much news I didn't get to yesterday, and I'm going to endeavor to cover all the news of today, and then some of the news that was very important that I noticed I didn't cover in detail, I didn't mention it, yesterday.
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00:03:01.000Swedish paper reports tsunami warning halted out of concern for tourist industry.
00:03:10.000An Australian newspaper is reporting the same thing.
00:03:14.000And of course Al Jazeera is, and the neocons are already saying, how dare the foreigners, they just hate America.
00:03:23.000Well, they got it from CNN and Fox News and the Associated Press, and they got it from the USGS, the federal government.
00:03:36.000Hours before the quake, they were about to put out a warning, but didn't.
00:03:41.000And then they had over an hour from the time the quake took place to give the populations a warning.
00:03:50.000And they did have the early warning system in place.
00:03:53.000And they could have told the media, which they normally do, if they think there's going to be a small earthquake.
00:04:00.000But the message didn't get there, and now, again, yesterday they said 40 to 100,000.
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00:09:21.000Okay, coming up in an hour and 15 minutes, we've got John Perkins, Confessions of an Economic Hitman, inside the international banking cartels.
00:09:32.000He's gone public, the former chief economist of the World Bank.
00:09:46.000I don't want to spend all day on this.
00:09:48.000It's a horrible tragedy and my heart goes out to all those that have died.
00:09:53.000Yesterday, it was 43,000 to 100,000 dead.
00:09:57.000They confirmed 43,000 dead, and they said it could go as high as 100,000.
00:10:02.000Well, today, depending on what report you look at, it's 60,000 to 65,000 dead bodies that have been found in the four or five countries that were hit.
00:10:14.000Sri Lanka being hit the hardest, where most of the deaths occurred.
00:10:19.000And they're sure to find more bodies, and it could reach 100,000 dead, but confirmed over 60,000 dead.
00:10:30.000Now, the wrinkle in this story is something that was pointed out immediately after this happened last week.
00:11:03.000Reported, oh yes, hours before we knew it was going to happen, and then, yes, we had about an hour after the earthquake to warn people, but there just wasn't a warning system, so we couldn't.
00:12:19.000We don't need the feds to come swooping in to tell us.
00:12:22.000But you notice with the system that the federal government controls that no one gets a warning.
00:12:28.000And now we're getting reports of why this happened, why they didn't.
00:12:32.000Their official story is basically to keep mom on the subject.
00:12:38.000I heard neocons last night and this morning going, how dare the foreigners How dare Al Jazeera, those Arabs, how dare them report that we knew and didn't warn them.
00:12:51.000These guys will jump on anything, those dirty Arabs.
00:12:57.000I don't hear them saying dirty CNN, dirty AP, dirty Fox, dirty Swiss papers, dirty German papers.
00:14:19.000They put out a bulletin within 20 minutes, technically, as fast as we could do it, said Jeff LaDuce, an official in the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
00:14:30.000And again, the other federal agencies have said the same thing.
00:14:36.000The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center is an international system of monitoring stations.
00:14:40.000Stations in Hawaii that monitors the Pacific and warns nearby countries of any expected disasters.
00:14:48.000But the problem with Sunday's deadly earthquake is that the Indian Ocean isn't guarded by the system.
00:14:57.000So, actually, Al Jazeera is putting out one of the fairer reports.
00:15:03.000If you read what the Swiss are saying, Swedish paper reports tsunami warning halted out of concern for tourist industry.
00:15:12.000The Swedish paper Expressen, Just minutes after the earthquake in the Indian Ocean on Sunday morning, Thailand's foremost meteorological experts were sitting together in a crisis meeting, but they decided not to warn.
00:16:00.000We have this international body out there that didn't warn the media but put out a little alert.
00:16:08.000We have the Thailand government that actually decided not to put out an alert.
00:16:13.000When they knew that there was a good chance this was going to happen, we have our government not putting out an alert until it was too late and not contacting the media.
00:16:59.000Regardless of what caused it, whether it's the sun's unusually high activity, ejecting more heat and radiation off the earth that has been causing all sorts of problems with satellites and communication from AMFM shortwave transmissions,
00:17:17.000Whether it is a government superweapon, which I wouldn't even mention that if Secretary of Defense Cohen hadn't said in 97 that yes, our government has this and other governments have it, and wars of the future will be earthquake wars, volcano wars, to paraphrase him.
00:17:36.000But then you've got to ask, why didn't they warn people?
00:17:39.000Well, let's just say Stick with the facts of what we know.
00:17:42.000But let's just say it was naturally occurring.
00:18:08.000Why then, if it was naturally occurring, wouldn't our government or these other governments warn anybody?
00:18:15.000Well, one big reason is the IMF and World Bank and others love big disasters because they get to come in and give loans that are backed up with our tax money that are designed never to be paid back, so they get to buy up and control these nations.
00:18:28.000We always hear how good our government is when they go in and blow some third world country to kingdom come with smart bombs, blow up the entire, decimate, annihilate the entire infrastructure, and then, oh, we're the only country annihilate the entire infrastructure, and then, oh, we're the only country that goes in and rebuilds after we Oh, really?
00:18:49.000The Romans did that, the Greeks did that, the Persians did that, the British Empire did that, every empire does that.
00:18:57.000You go take over the enemy, Take control of the society and then rebuild the infrastructure because now it's yours.
00:19:03.000And they take our money, give it to private corporations.
00:19:08.000They go to these countries, put the people into debt slavery.
00:19:13.000So we know they do this with warfare, and Joseph Stiklitz went public a few years ago, Chief Economist, World Bank, 2,000 pages plus of documents got released, and there it detailed how to create famines, how to destroy economies, how to put in secret police, how to break down societies, how to use disasters.
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00:25:42.000But, again, years ago, the Davos Economic World Forum, they said, what, four years ago, we're gonna turn the lights off in America and turn the lights on in Europe.
00:25:53.000And there's some media argument that, oh, well, this will actually strengthen America and hurt the European Union.
00:25:59.000Bottom line, it hurts the people of the EU and America.
00:26:03.000It helps the globalists who are consolidating wealth.
00:26:22.000Now again, the average person has no idea this is even going on.
00:26:26.000It may surprise some people to learn that one of the linchpins in the nation's War on Terrorism is the Ben and Beryl Mini Mart in Fairmont, California.
00:26:39.000Manager Sonya Chima certainly was when her dad bought the store in October.
00:26:49.000Under federal rules, still being fine-tuned, that is selectively enforced, she discovered the Ben and Beryl, like thousands of other businesses, must have a written plan for foiling money laundering terrorists.
00:27:26.000business, must still steer clear of people on the government's 192-page list of specifically designated nationals.
00:27:40.000And again, you don't know they come by from you, which has more than 5,000 names and is updated frequently.
00:27:47.000Otherwise, business people could face huge fines and long stays in prison.
00:27:54.000Again, folks, all of these new laws have been passing.
00:28:00.000Previously, banks were pretty much the only businesses that had to worry about money launders.
00:28:05.000But that changed after the terror attacks of 9-11.
00:28:08.000On September 24th, 2001, President Bush signed an executive order barring businesses' dealings with anyone on the specifically designated list, which includes the names and aliases of suspected terrorists, drug kingpins, and their associates.
00:28:23.000Those failing to comply can be fined $10 million and jailed up to 10 years in prison.
00:28:31.000That was followed a month later by enactment of the USA Patriot Act, which forces financial institutions, broadly defined, to include everything from liquor stores to pawn shops, to have detailed programs for combating money launderers.
00:28:44.000Under the enforcement provisions, business operators face potential fines of half a million dollars and a 10-year prison term.
00:28:52.000The Patriot Act already in effect for casinos, mutual funds, credit card firms, banks and money service businesses, like the Ben and Beryl, which offer such things as check cashing and money transfers.
00:29:04.000Still others, jewelers, vehicle dealers, travel agents, loan companies, investment firms, and people involved in real estate closings are waiting for the government to issue their regulations under the Act.
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00:33:21.000Real issues of significance that actually affect you and your family.
00:33:26.000Confessions of an economic hitman with John Perkins who worked at the highest levels of international banking cartel coming up in the middle of the next hour.
00:34:48.000I mean, I've got a stack of articles today from the London Guardian and the Associated Press and Knight Ridder Newspaper and USA Today where they're just announcing, oh guess what?
00:35:02.000You commit a misdemeanor that's not even terror-related.
00:35:57.000You know, UNESCO The United Nations Educational and Cultural Organization that Ronald Reagan pulled us out of, that George Bush signed back onto, that Bill Clinton wouldn't dare to try to push.
00:36:13.000treaty, how to run our schools, how to have the New Freedom Initiative, the new freedom to forcibly, psychologically test every child in America twice a year, even if you're private or homeschooled.
00:36:22.000I mean, think about growing up Reading about Russia, where they grab you and psychologically test you if they didn't like you.
00:36:40.000And don't think that they don't know what they're doing when they call the Patriot Act the Patriot Act, or they call a bill the 9-11 bill, or they call something new freedom.
00:36:50.000Or Total Information Awareness Network with an all-seeing eye beaming red light onto the earth.
00:37:12.000You see, What Bush put into executive order was, days after 9-11, was really the know-your-customer law that they couldn't even get the banks to adopt.
00:37:22.000Where when you go in, you sign a contract waiving all your rights.
00:37:25.000You sign a contract saying, you can take my bank account, the state can take my bank account, the county can take the bank account, the feds can take the bank account, international bodies can take my bank account.
00:37:36.000No charges, no arrest, no reason to waive your rights and contract.
00:37:42.000But now they're admitting that, oh, under new provisions, the government's claiming the power to engage in every business.
00:37:52.000Why, you sell a bottle of milk to someone who might be connected to terrorists, you are going to get $500,000 to a million dollar fine and 10 years in prison.
00:38:18.000As word about the law spreads, many businesses and people don't like what they are hearing.
00:38:23.000A lot of our members are just starting to wake up to all the things they are required to do, said Karen Tenefeli, Assistant Vice President for Advocacy for the Building Owners and Managers Association International.
00:38:38.000When the group's executive committee held a briefing, On the act in November, she said, there was a sense that you've got to be kidding.
00:38:47.000Expecting businesses, especially tiny ones, to keep track of terrorists strikes some people as silly.
00:38:56.000It's just lame, said Pat Kennedy, who owns Alpine Recreation, a Morgan Hill, California, RV dealership.
00:39:04.000I'm trying to imagine any local terrorist picking up a motorhome and doing a little camping.
00:39:09.000Palo Alto, California Attorney Jonathan Axelard has similar concerns about the law's potential application to venture capital funds.
00:39:20.000Forcing the fund's managers to monitor money laundering would simply be an expensive, unnecessary burden, he said, because the risk and withdrawal limits of such investments would likely be unattractive to terrorists.
00:39:35.000But terrorists are capable of using a wide range of business purchases.
00:39:43.000And then they've got quotes here from business owners, gas station owners, people saying that we're just not doing check cashing anymore because we can't Prove who people are.
00:39:57.000But see, the government's answer is going to be through the new National ID Card passed a little under a month ago that creates federal standards for all driver's licenses that were already in place in almost every state.
00:40:12.000Now it makes it law with the face scan, which was the digital photo, the thumbprint that Texas has had since 1993.
00:40:21.000Then when you go in to buy and sell, you'll have to swipe this card.
00:40:25.000Now that's the official executive orders, the official plan, the official bill that passed.
00:40:33.000And the public salve for the businesses, at least, see this is so you're in compliance, now you won't get in trouble.
00:40:41.000But for the public, they're going to sell it as the new sales tax.
00:40:45.000Oh, we're going to cut the income tax in half.
00:40:51.000We're going to reduce it down to 10% for most people.
00:40:55.000And we promise we'll never jack it back up again.
00:40:59.000And we're going to have a national sales tax.
00:41:01.000And yes, we don't want the poor, who are at a subsistence level, making less than $15,000 a year, to have to pay this sales tax.
00:41:10.000So, they'll be exempt, but to stop fraud, why you just swipe your driver's license that has that stripe on the back And everything will be okay.
00:41:24.000And that'll assess the sales tax, because it's been so confusing and hard on you.
00:43:35.000I have to go to the pharmacy once every two years.
00:43:37.000Well, I was at the pharmacy yesterday.
00:43:41.000And there I am, sitting there for twenty minutes at a Walgreens.
00:43:44.000And I knew full well that for the last three years, everything you get at a pharmacy, everything that you get that is prescription, whether it's an antibiotic, it doesn't matter, a diaphragm, anything, No matter what you get at the pharmacy, it immediately goes into a federal and state database.
00:47:09.000They're putting out fake terror alerts.
00:47:13.000But I guess for people that want to deny what I'm talking about and doing, anything is a psychological excuse to ignore it.
00:47:20.000We had the police officer slash State National Guard individual on, who I've known for, I don't know, six, seven years, because he brought me the 300-page sensitive, not secret, but sensitive, marked sensitive, not for distribution, document they were issued that said, house-to-house arrest, disarming of civilians, of this new mission.
00:47:46.000And two weeks after I reported it, It was in the Austin Chronicle, the Austin American Statesman, and the Houston Chronicle.
00:47:56.000The point is, they've trained for it, they've changed their mission, it's in the manual.
00:48:00.000That's what we said, and we said, and look, the government's running around talking about big attacks and civil emergency and red alerts and all this.
00:48:10.000But see, people who don't want to face all this, they'll take it and go, no, he said there was going to be a terror attack.
00:48:16.000He said it was going to be martial law.
00:48:50.000So, the mental twister, the mental gyrations and gymnastics and gesticulations that I see, every time I see a criticism of myself, it's not a legitimate one.
00:49:09.000Now, if you want some stuff to criticize me about, there's lots of legitimate reasons, and I could name them for you.
00:49:15.000One of my worst critics, but it's never those.
00:49:48.000I don't know about nanotech, but I do know that there is a process they've had for 25-30 years where they send large amounts of electricity with different fields and generators into a piece of metal and they've created dozens and dozens of new elements.
00:50:06.000So yes, they can turn silver into gold.
00:50:11.000It just takes the amount of power to run a city for a day.
00:50:29.000And no, because Diamonds are in trouble because you can grow them that are even better, but they're not in trouble because people still have value in the original diamond.
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00:54:29.000Through this incredible process of sending all of these different fields and electrical charges into different metals, they're actually able to create all these new elements.
00:54:42.000And then there's another process that I learned about years later.
00:54:50.000That's where they have these giant Magnetic fields and they create artificial suns that create all this power, but they can't contain them.
00:54:58.000You probably saw a Hollywood rendition of that in the new Spider-Man movie that came out.
00:55:04.000Where that sun starts sucking everything into it.
00:55:07.000And there's actually a danger in that, but I can't remember the name of that either.
00:57:51.000That's the type of call I like that is bringing us some vital information.
00:57:58.000So we will end this hour and come back and take more calls and hopefully get that clip.
00:58:04.000There's also about a five minute tribute to Gary Webb with one of the last interviews he did that I want to air a little bit later.
00:58:13.000Post it on PrisonPlanet.tv, I believe, and we'll play it here on the broadcast as well.
00:58:17.000We'll hurry through more of your calls as we start the second hour and get into a whole stack of really vital news and information.
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00:59:36.000You know, I don't spend enough time on this.
00:59:42.000We talk about aspartame and sodium fluoride and depleted uranium and all these things that are hurting our population and other populations so badly.
00:59:52.000There's other simpler things like the documented hundreds of major studies showing that it's vitamin C deficiency and potassium deficiency that causes your arteries to collapse and fall apart.
01:00:05.000A kind of localized scurvy in the arteries which causes the collagen to break down.
01:00:11.000Just eat more vitamin C and don't have heart attacks and don't get cancer.
01:01:23.000You know, speaking of the cell phones, my work just got its brand new T-Mobile ones, and it states inside the manual that if you don't put that chip in there, the one that I've seen on your documentary, that it won't work.
01:01:37.000And on top of that, that it stores the phone numbers, not on the phone itself, but in that card.
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01:02:11.000After your contest for the radio spot and your commercial for the ArnoldExposed.com, would you still be accepting those and running them even after the contest is over?
01:02:53.000Yes, and just make sure when you mail it to me that you're specific, and if you want to upload a copy to the web and email it to us so we get it even earlier, that'd be great.
01:03:02.000Okay, I can just send it because I can... no problem.
01:03:06.000I'll just give you the hard copy and you guys can put it on there.
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01:07:50.000Yeah, I have a quick anecdote and a short question.
01:07:52.000It may be a little bit too broad, and if you don't have time to cover it in detail, I understand.
01:07:56.000The anecdote refers to the stuff you were talking about earlier.
01:07:59.000I'm in my early 50s, and I went into a chain video store, and I paid cash, or was going to pay cash for a video game for myself, walked up to the counter, And the lady says, are you over 17?
01:08:11.000And I just arched my eyebrow and looked at her like, you gotta be kidding me.
01:08:18.000And since I didn't respond, she says, I have to ask you that question.
01:08:32.000Hopefully, if enough people have that type of response, maybe from the ground up, we can get rid of some of these Ridiculous methods of paying and buying and bartering.
01:08:43.000The broad question I have is, coming from kind of the academic left background, I took it as an article of faith in the 70s and 80s and 90s that it seemed that I've always been understood that the United States, you know, corporate and military might, we kind of, the United States benefited for many, many years as far as the world's resources and monopolizing In other words, our U.S.
01:09:08.000standard of living has always been artificially higher than third world countries because of the fact that we've exploited the resources of other nations.
01:09:19.000So I'm just wondering, is the globalist plan, are they trying to level the playing field?
01:09:26.000In their view, that's probably not a bad thing.
01:09:29.000I'm just saying that are Americans basically spoiled as far as the standard of living, and is that why Despite some of the draconian measures that are being enacted, we still have people trying to flood the country because it's still so much better here than it is elsewhere.
01:10:12.000First, let me comment on your first comment.
01:10:15.000Let me comment on your comment before I get to your question.
01:10:23.000Your encyclopedic question, because it's really hard to answer and do fair justice to it.
01:10:30.000So I'll have to, in my opinion, try to condense it down.
01:10:33.000But for those that just joined us, what he was alluding to was something that we talked about in the last hour, and that was out of Knight Ridder News Service.
01:10:52.000And the Patriot Act and these new executive orders isn't just for banks and loan officers and pawn shops and jewelers.
01:11:02.000Now it's going to be for all sales, all business, a $500,000 to a $1,000,000 fine, $500,000 to a $1,000,000 fine, 10 years in federal prison if you sell anything to anyone who is on a criminal or terrorist watch list.
01:11:22.000Now you can read this right now at PrisonPlanet.com, a direct link to Knight Ritter News Service.
01:11:30.000The specific story posted at GannettTimes.com.
01:11:37.000And so this fella, I believe he said he was in his mid-forties, goes in to a video slash Video game store, because video games are such a big business now that most video stores are 50-50.
01:12:21.000And again, I see gray-haired women having their IDs swiped for beer, and the guy behind the counter goes, Look, Alex, it's connected into the police!
01:12:34.000I mean, the federal laws they're passing say this is going to happen, and the average person's still in denial, so yes, His solution, towards all of us, is boycotting now.
01:12:45.000That's why I said, you've got to boycott the driver's license that have this in them, before it's too late.
01:12:49.000You've got to boycott the stores that are doing this.
01:12:53.000A few years ago, I was... I go back and forth, and be honest with you, smoking cigarettes is just horrible.
01:13:02.000Why I could ever be somebody in perfect shape, and then start smoking cigarettes again, and then stop smoking cigarettes, but I was buying some nicotine patches.
01:13:55.000And so, really, really good point that you brought up there, number one, sir.
01:13:59.000Now, your question was, well, it's true that Americans are four percent of the world population, 4%, but we had, and that's a had in the past tense, half of the world's wealth.
01:14:19.000And so when you listen to the left on NPR or something, they go, oh, globalism is great, it's going to bring down our standard.
01:14:24.000We've been living too high on the hog.
01:14:32.000And at a certain level, at a certain area, or sector, or strata of that, it's true.
01:14:40.000Yes, part of our higher standard of living was because we were the center of the globalist empire, the center of the bipolar world, of the western half of that, back during the Cold War, and even going back to gunboat diplomacy 150 years ago in Latin America, and To a certain extent, it's true.
01:15:02.000Our prosperity is because of imperial activities in the past.
01:15:06.000And because we were still a free market, and because we've had more freedoms than other countries in the past, not saying we're perfect, you know, the academics will argue, well, we weren't really free.
01:15:41.000You have the robber barons and the railroads and the big mine cartels and They did a lot of really bad stuff.
01:15:50.000But still, they only had about 20% of the wealth.
01:15:54.000Now at the turn of the last century, that started accelerating and changing.
01:16:03.000And so if you look at all the economic numbers and get into real, just organic economics, not all the hyperbole that we're given the different schools of thought, it's pretty simple.
01:16:14.000We're now being economically raped, like the rest of the world has been, And then the globalists put out, through their NPRs and the rest of it, through their Noam Chomsky's, this spin through their academics and their gurus, that, oh well, this is a consequence and we've lived too high on the hog and this is a good thing.
01:16:32.000When in truth, the free market is being dismantled and going to a fascist system.
01:16:37.000And a few years ago I had the epiphany, the understanding, that Karl Marx and Lenin and Stalin and that whole train of individuals, You know, from Engels and Marx right through to Khrushchev, they always said that socialism leads to communism.
01:16:58.000Communism doesn't exist other than in certain species of insects.
01:17:04.000Bees and ants and things along those lines.
01:17:12.000Socialism is a tool of the economic elite to con the serfs, to go along with centralization of power.
01:17:23.000It is the tiny 1% ultra-elite, fraction of 1%, using propaganda to tell the howling mob the founding fathers talked about, oh, let's go get the rich people, and then the ultra-elite
01:17:37.000designate the middle class as the rich people and the poor people don't differentiate, attack the free market, ask for a socialized system, then the government builds the massive wealth redistribution network and then uses that system of extractors and mechanisms to pull the wealth out of the middle class, change the economic and political paradigm and the culture, and then centralize power.
01:18:08.000For the private interests that are not free market, that are organized crime syndicates, or feudal lords, is the best way to term them.
01:18:16.000And so, in truth, socialism always leads to fascism.
01:18:23.000China today, handful of private families run the whole place.
01:18:32.000And it's set up like that by the big banks, by design.
01:18:36.000And meanwhile, people are like computers, being given bad information, false political paradigms left and right, so they don't even know what they're fighting.
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01:23:13.000I was just re-reading 9-11, Descended to Tyranny, which I read cover to cover, and I'm wondering if a person was to become disgusted and or alarmed by the situation in this country and wanted to emigrate, would Canada
01:23:36.000They are up to the exact same things, in some cases worse, in some cases not as bad, with more of a touchy-feely socialist angle to it, but a lot of the programs are the exact same names.
01:23:50.000They're signing deals to merge via treaty.
01:23:54.000That's what the Pan-American Union, or Free Trade Area of the Americas, is the enacting clause coming up early next year, will do.
01:24:02.000And so that's the problem with a new world order, is there's nowhere to run.
01:24:07.000So a person really wouldn't be any safer, so to speak, at all?
01:25:52.000Earth is surely blessed with your existence.
01:25:55.000I don't know about that, but I will thank you.
01:25:58.000I have a number of things I'd like to say.
01:26:02.000And I'd just like to start by saying, in the 1960s, Life Magazine did a very extensive issue.
01:26:13.000I don't remember when in the 60s, but they did this issue on concentration camps.
01:26:20.000And at that time, they identified over 200 camps with
01:26:26.000photographs and many many photographs you might be able to find it in the sixties life magazine if you're here to look at that it talked about also I believe how they began implanting people in the fifties every child that was born in a hospital had a control chip inserted this may explain some of the ignorance in the country I don't know uh... also uh...
01:26:57.000As an aside, nine out of ten people who have died in this planet in war have died in a religious war.
01:27:09.000I had somebody criticizing me on the web for going, look, he claims concentration camps on his concentration camp page on Infowars.com, but those are training centers in Louisiana.
01:27:23.000I've got the video in Police State 2000, the government video, where they're openly got foreign troops admittedly training for gun confiscation, and yes, it's, quote, a training center with barbed wire and machine gun nests.
01:27:36.000Yeah, they use it as a training center to put us in them.
01:27:42.000I mean, I've had county commissioners on about the camps in Oregon, and it's all over the place.
01:27:48.000I mean, Michael Savage calls for putting people in camps every day.
01:27:52.000Michelle Malkin put out a book, you know, The Case for Internment.
01:27:56.000And these people are just any type of psychological spin to ignore what's happening.
01:28:02.000Now, the earliest confirmation of control with wires into the brain I have is in the early sixties.
01:28:12.000I have a Time Magazine article where a hospital in the late 90s was trying to implant children with chips, quote, so they wouldn't be lost, or stolen, or given to the wrong parent.
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01:32:20.000His book has been somewhat of a sensation.
01:32:23.000That dovetails with the news that we broke with Greg Palast three years ago with the IMF World Bank documents and the resignation of Joseph Stiglitz.
01:32:49.000Again, that's coming up in a few minutes with a real expert and a very brave man who we're honored to have.
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01:35:58.000Everything he was saying is just spot on, and I was learning quite a bit as well.
01:36:02.000Despite the fact that I've interviewed scores of economists and people from inside the system, he's one of the highest level defectors to humanity from the forces of tyranny that we've seen in a long, long time since Joseph Stiglitz, Chief Economist of the World Bank.
01:36:20.000And John, you know, I really can't do your giant bio justice.
01:36:27.000Can you please just, in a nutshell, tell us about yourself?
01:36:31.000Well, yeah, I'll be happy to give that a try, Alex, and thank you for inviting me to be on your show.
01:36:39.000I was recruited in 1968 while still in business school.
01:36:42.000This was my last year in business school in Boston by the National Security Agency, the nation's largest and probably least understood spy organization.
01:36:51.000And after that, with their encouragement, I spent three years in the Peace Corps in Ecuador, working with indigenous people who were opposing oil companies.
01:37:01.000After that, I went to work for a private consulting firm.
01:37:05.000The way the National Security Agency works, the way economic hitmen work, is that organizations like the CIA and the National Security Agency identify us, and they put me through a series of very intensive tests, including many hours on a lie detector, and they discover that we're potential economic hitmen.
01:37:27.000They also find a lot of weaknesses in our character.
01:37:30.000And I guess I could summarize mine as the big weaknesses of our culture, the three big drugs, which are sex, money, and power.
01:37:38.000And then they turned us over to private firms so that there's no direct connection with the government.
01:37:46.000So when I came out of the Peace Corps, I went to work for Charles T. May in a consulting firm in Boston, eventually became chief economist for that company with about 50 people working for me.
01:38:00.000Beneath the surface, I was an economic hitman.
01:38:03.000And I was trained to do that by an amazing woman named Claudine, who is described in the book, who had access to all my National Security Agency files, knew all my weaknesses.
01:38:12.000And essentially, what economic hitmen do is funnel most of the world's resources into American corporations.
01:38:22.000And we've basically, in the last 40 years, created the world's first truly global empire.
01:38:28.000And there's a lot of different ways we do that.
01:38:30.000I describe a lot of different examples in the book.
01:38:33.000But probably, if there's a typical way, it runs like this.
01:38:36.000And that is we identify third-world countries that have resources that we covet, let's say oil.
01:38:42.000And we arrange a deal where that country is going to be lent a lot of money, say a billion dollars, from an organization like the World Bank, A condition of the loan is that a large portion of it, 90% or so, comes back to U.S.
01:38:57.000corporations like the engineering firms we've all heard of recently, the Bechtels and the Halliburton.
01:39:02.000And these firms then build projects in the third world country like industrial parks and power plants that serve the rich in those countries, almost exclusively they serve the rich, often making the poor even poorer And the country has been left holding a huge debt that it can't possibly repay.
01:39:22.000At some point, we go back to that country and we say, look, you owe us a lot of money, you can't repay your debt, sell us your oil, sell our oil companies your oil at a very low price, even if that means destroying your rainforest, your environment, and your indigenous people.
01:39:35.000That's pretty much the summary of what economic hitmen do in a nutshell.
01:39:39.000Now, Mr. Perkins, from my research, and the individuals I've interviewed who have been researching this for the last 60 years, I would just add one more layer to that, perhaps try to simplify it, and if you disagree with any of it, please tell us how you disagree, but to boil it down really simply...
01:39:58.000In many cases, they just send in the economic hitmen with the IMF or World Bank money or with private money that's going to be paid to private corporations through the IMF or World Bank, hence our tax money, and they tell the dictator, here's five billion bucks, sign over all your water, your oil, your roads, your rights to us, and you don't pay this back as the collateral, and by the way, wink wink, we want you to retire to Switzerland in two years and take half the money with you, that's your payoff for doing that.
01:41:06.000And that's not the way Halliburton makes his profit, either.
01:41:09.000What really happens there is, let's say you're a leader in one of these countries, and I want to bribe you.
01:41:15.000Legally, I can't hand you $400,000 under the table.
01:41:19.000But I can go to a friend of yours, a brother, or a business partner who owns the John Deere franchise, and I can say, look, I want to rent at least John Deere equipment from you.
01:41:28.000And I rent $600,000 worth of John Deere equipment from you, and I pay you a million dollars.
01:41:36.000That's what I've been told by politicians locally in Texas and all over the country, that that's how the payoffs go.
01:41:42.000A politician owns a piece of property, or they're told, buy that piece of property for $200,000, and then put an ad up for it for a million, and if you do what we want, we're going to come by and buy that piece of land at your exorbitant price.
01:41:59.000That's exactly how we do business internationally.
01:42:02.000Most of these countries bend over backwards not to break the law.
01:42:06.000The law against bribing is very strong in the United States.
01:42:09.000So they do it in these much more subtle ways.
01:42:11.000Another way we used to do it in our Boston office, we had tons of young men, few women, but mainly men, who were the sons of important people in countries like Indonesia and Iran and Panama.
01:42:25.000And we basically paid for them to come to the United States to go to colleges.
01:42:30.000We got them into colleges in Boston, paid all their expenses, and hired them as interns in our corporation.
01:42:57.000But John, going back to how you were recruited because this is the same story we get from a lot of the other government whistleblowers and
01:43:07.000economic uh... a private industry whistleblowers we talked to is that is that they'll be in the lunch line at a at a midwestern college and suddenly hi i'm david rockefeller i'd like to recruit you for the peace corps and and that you have all this king making going on and they do it off the test scores and they do the psychological testing after they do this why do you think they recruit this way Well, they have an agenda, you know.
01:43:33.000They're watching people all the time, and they've got to get the right people in there, you know.
01:43:40.000I was very clearly told to me once I'd been recruited and Claudine started training me, I was clearly told that, well, first of all, she seduced me into becoming an economic hitman.
01:43:54.000And second of all, she bent over backwards to tell me that it was a dirty business.
01:43:58.000And to explain to me all the awful things I would be expected to do, none of which were technically illegal.
01:44:06.000And also to tell me that once I was in, I could never get out.
01:44:09.000And therefore, that I needed to accept that I was going to do all these things, that I was never going to get out, and never going to be able to talk about it.
01:44:15.000And if I wasn't willing to play that game, I shouldn't take my first assignment, which was to be in Indonesia.
01:44:21.000So she was trying to turn you to the dark side?
01:44:29.000She knew the things that would appeal to me, and she offered me all of these, the things that I dreamed about all my life, basically.
01:44:35.000She was the first of them herself, you know?
01:44:37.000And then, at the same time, was telling me, though, that what I'm getting myself into is a pretty dirty business, and I'd better be really willing and ready to... But was the psychological excuse, but they're all dirty, too, and somebody's going to run it and rule it, and overall, we've got the big global vision, so we might as well be in control.
01:44:56.000And it wasn't illegal, you know, it should be, but, you know, the scenario I described to you about making these loans to third world countries, If a banker were to do that to you, Alex, if he were to put you in that position, give you a huge loan that he knows you can't repay, he'd be considered a criminal, be taken to court, and you could get off under the bankruptcy laws.
01:45:16.000Sir, let's talk about where this money comes from.
01:45:20.000because a lot of americans go good i'm glad we're taking everybody's stuff we need it well overall we see the same economic hitman system now being used phased in uh... here in america and i want to go through where that money to uh...
01:45:35.000give to these private corporations from the imf world bank really comes from well yeah a lot of it comes from the u_s_ taxpayer and i and i you know but i also want to address this you know uh...
01:45:46.000the attitude of good you know what sort of rip them off sort of thing What has happened now?
01:45:51.000Is we've created a world where 24,000 people starve to death every single day.
01:45:59.000In addition to that, 30,000 children die every day of curable diseases because they don't get medicines that are available that they should be getting.
01:46:11.000There's a lot of very angry people in the world.
01:46:13.000Several billion people that by our measurements are destitute.
01:46:17.000Well, we're living the lifestyle we're living here, and they all know we're living the lifestyle we're living here, and they know that we're ripping their countries off.
01:46:24.000We may believe that our foreign aid is altruistic.
01:47:33.000They're all in this position, or see it coming very quickly.
01:47:36.000Hence the war on terror, creating a new false bipolar world to export what the Pentagon is now calling the new map, where they openly admit, or you're probably aware of Professor Barnett's disgusting activities, saying we're going to invade all these countries and we openly work for the saying we're going to invade all these countries and we openly Ha ha ha!
01:48:02.000And it also, in the case of Iraq, is assuring us, or the idea behind it would be to ensure oil supply and also pop-up The Saudi Arabian government and the Kuwaiti government, both of which are in trouble, especially the Royal House of Saud.
01:48:21.000We don't want to lose that part of the world, and we're in grave danger of losing that part of the world because there's so much resentment.
01:48:37.000And the Royal House of Saud, the Royal House of Saudi Arabia, is teetering on the brink of collapse.
01:48:45.000Well, I want to get more into how the economic system, the nuts and bolts, works, but it's more important, I think, to talk about your transformation, because we're seeing a lot of people at every strata of the establishment, public and private, regaining their souls and going public, and I want to talk about
01:49:09.000Your predictions, do you think we're going to see an acceleration of that as these policies truly show themselves to be how wicked they truly are?
01:49:17.000Well, I believe we will, and I certainly hope we will, and it was one of the objectives for writing the book.
01:49:21.000You know, I knew when I wrote this book, I was sticking my head in the noose.
01:49:28.000So the only reason I did it is because I think it's going to have an important effect and create change.
01:49:34.000And I'm hoping that a lot more economic hitmen and other such people will come out of the closet as a result of this and other books that are coming out.
01:49:41.000I want to talk about why you turned from the dark side.
01:49:44.000When we return, we're talking to John Perkins.
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01:53:45.000They think that, oh, they're part of the system, and boy, they're going to be taken care of.
01:53:50.000I think they're in for a rude awakening, John, but But before you comment on that, how did you, how long did the process take of you at this very high level, being involved, manipulating whole nations, when did you finally turn the corner?
01:54:08.000Well, it happened after I'd been in for about ten years.
01:54:13.000I was made a partner, the youngest partner in the history, a hundred year history, of this Boston consulting firm.
01:54:18.000I was chief economist and I was on the verge of becoming a millionaire.
01:54:25.000My conscience had bothered me throughout the whole time, but I kept justifying myself.
01:54:29.000Then one day I was sailing in the Caribbean.
01:54:34.000I got off the sailboat and I hiked up a hill and I sat on an old plantation, sugar plantation, that had been built on the bones of hundreds, maybe thousands of slaves.
01:54:46.000And as I sat there and thought about how we talk about slavery in those plantations and how we look back and see what an awful thing that was, And I realized that we're doing exactly the same thing around the world.
01:55:00.000And the 50 people who worked for me were, in a way, they were perpetuating this without any of the benefit of being told as I had been by Claudine.
01:55:08.000It's all explained in the book, but I seduced them into doing it in different ways, by bonuses and so on, perks and so on and so forth.
01:55:16.000So as I sat there on that plantation wall, I realized I just had what you might call an awakening.
01:55:23.000And I realized I just could not go on with this, and that if I continued much longer, I was going to get wealthy.
01:55:29.000I was really going to get caught up by the system.
01:55:51.000But the system kept giving me amazing favors, including Congress granted me a special tax exemption that nobody else got.
01:55:59.000I kept getting these favors because of the work I'd done previously.
01:56:03.000And so I stayed on the peripheries of the system.
01:56:06.000I began to write the book several times, including once in the early 90s.
01:56:11.000and was approached then by a large consulting firm, Stona Webster out of Boston, where a number of my old employees worked.
01:56:18.000And the president of that company, a big consulting firm, offered me a consulting job with really what was a bribe of about half a million dollars, clearly stating that I mustn't write the book.
01:56:29.000I wouldn't have to do anything for the company, basically, but I mustn't write the book.
01:56:58.000And then when 9-11 hit, I went up to Ground Zero shortly after that.
01:57:03.000And as I sat there at Ground Zero, and it was so close to the time that it happened, I could still smell the burning flesh and see the smoke coming out of that gaping hole.
01:57:13.000And I realized that I had to come clean.
01:58:35.000I know there's a lot of callers who want to talk to Mr. Perkins, and we'll take a question or a comment from those callers coming up in the next segment.
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01:58:57.000Because the globalists don't want any competition to what they're doing, and they're creating a global police state and a global army to march in and do whatever they want.
01:59:07.000John Perkins, for those who just joined us, in about 60 seconds again, tell us who you are, why you've written the book, and then I've got some other questions for you.
01:59:14.000Well, I was an economic hitman who was very much behind building this empire that you've just described, and I finally came clean and wrote the book because I realized after 9-11 that we have to change this world.
01:59:26.000I have a 22-year-old daughter, and I want to turn this around.
01:59:29.000We're in a position today where we really can turn this around.
01:59:32.000The book describes the shadow side of foreign policy, but it ends on a very optimistic note.
01:59:38.000I'm optimistic that we can turn things around, but with people like you, Alex, out there, and your radio show, we're going to turn it around.
01:59:45.000Now, in a thumbnail sketch, this international cartel of private interest, I wouldn't describe them as free market.
01:59:54.000I mean, I would describe it as operating as a, like a giant risk game.
02:00:00.000Like they're trying to dominate and control, and I mean, as you said, economic hitman.
02:00:43.000Well, Professor Barnett at the Naval War College openly says that now in the, quote, fourth phase of globalism, the military's going to have to come in and mop up and also fight the mounting resistance to it.
02:00:55.000And then he openly said, on C-SPAN in front of all this Pentagon brass, we work for Wall Street, we're building a world government.
02:01:03.000Why do you think they're getting so open about it?
02:01:07.000Because I think it's becoming very clear.
02:01:12.000You know, Ken Rogoff, who was the chief economist at the World Bank after him, wrote a scathing rebuttal to some of Stiglitz's work after Stiglitz came out with it.
02:01:25.000I was on a television show about a month ago with Ken Rogoff, who is now a professor at Harvard, has left the World Bank.
02:01:57.000I think they're seeing what they've created, that a lot of these people, like me, were Somewhat in denial during the time, but the world has now become a place where it's very hard for people who are in those positions.
02:02:10.000So it's kind of like the Emperor's New Clothes.
02:02:12.000So many people have said, hey, he's naked.
02:02:18.000I mean, I would go back to people saying, hey, the world's flat, and you were a kook if you said it was round, and then suddenly one day everybody knew it was round.
02:02:27.000But it took a while for them to come out and actually admit it was round, even when they actually knew it was round, if you know what I mean.
02:02:32.000They were still sort of living in the idea of a flat world, even if they knew it was round.
02:02:36.000Well, as an economist, I want to get your forecast for the paradigm shift, or will the globalists be able to hold it back with terrorism?
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02:06:08.000They talked about freedom versus slavery.
02:06:11.000And it doesn't matter what big, fat politician we're looking at.
02:06:14.000In most of the countries of the world, they're bought and paid for by the same interests that are not free market, that are threatened by any independence, threatened by anyone having wealth that isn't controlled by them.
02:07:03.000And he's, again, right on the money with my years of research from the outside of this and many of the experts who've been on the inside.
02:07:12.000And the way he describes the NSA Coming in, out of college, recruiting him, doing the psychological test, then putting him into this investment firm, slowly basting him in the wickedness, seducing him over, then having him go out and seduce a bunch of others to go around the world and basically bring down these third-world economies and consolidate them on loans that were never meant or never designed to be paid back.
02:07:38.000And old-fashioned slavery, John, Old-fashioned slavery, they had to at least feed the slaves.
02:07:44.000With this new system, it seems like they don't even care about the population as long as they've got control of all the resources, and they'll just get the resources, in the case of Argentina, turn the water off, turn the fuel off, triple the prices, until the middle class is literally out.
02:08:00.000There was one article in the Washington Post where a cattle trailer jumped over, and formerly middle-class families were running up, slashing off pieces of raw beef, gobbling it.
02:08:25.000In the old days, you know, we knew that the armies were going out and conquering other countries.
02:08:32.000People were aware that slave traders were going into Africa and pulling the slaves out and putting them on ships, and they could see them marching through the streets, and they justified that.
02:08:40.000They found all kinds of reasons to justify it, including saying that these people were subhuman, that we needed to Christianize them and everything else.
02:08:48.000I hear that a lot today about the Arabs.
02:08:52.000And yet today it's so much more subtle.
02:08:55.000We're not aware because it's not physical in that way.
02:08:58.000It's being done through the economic system rather than through armies and chains and swords for the most part.
02:09:03.000The military, the violence only comes in as a last resort.
02:09:06.000As I describe in the book, When economic hitmen fail, the next step is the CIA-sanctioned jackals.
02:09:13.000Now that's a key point, because we really see them being employed and out in the open for the first time in Iraq with these private hit teams and private torture squads.
02:10:02.000Just a few weeks ago I saw a mainstream article out of Argentina where different U.S.
02:10:08.000corporations or offshore corporations are hiring hundreds of the former leaders of Latin American death squads to actually take them to Iraq.
02:10:17.000Yeah, they've been recruiting, and I've been reading that too, I don't have any inside information, but I've seen this in the press where they've been recruiting people from Chile, Argentina, and several other South American countries who worked under right-wing dictators in the past and now are being recruited to go into Iraq.
02:10:35.000Some people say, well good, these people are evil terrorists, but the worst Islamic regimes, our government props them up, And then just goes after the weak countries.
02:10:46.000It's a shame that our government lies to us so profusely, telling us that they're doing things in the name of democracy throughout Saddam Hussein, and they want to have these upcoming elections in the name of democracy.
02:10:58.000At the same time, they instigated a coup against the democratically elected President Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.
02:11:05.000We threw out the democratically elected president of Iran back in the fifties.
02:11:10.000We threw out the democratically elected president of Chile.
02:11:13.000I want to stop you right there, because people probably don't know this, but I heard the grandson of FDR who ran the operation, what, in 1953 in Iran.
02:11:21.000He was anti-communist, pro-West, and here are the criminals bragging on NPR.
02:11:30.000And he just wanted 30% of the oil money for the people, and so they hired thousands of thugs to shoot and bomb, and then blamed it on him, and then they were admitting they did this, carried out terror attacks, blamed it on him, and then put the princeling, the Shawian, who set up all the torture chambers and the rest of it.
02:11:49.000One of those torturers was, of course, Chalibi, who they tried to have be the head guy of Iraq.
02:12:03.000It had been Time Magazine's Man of the Year.
02:12:07.000He was being held up as a great example of how democracy was going to be pervasive in the Middle East and much of the world in 1951, when most of the day you're talking about was elected.
02:12:19.000But then he turned against the oil companies and said, at that point the oil companies were taking about 85% of all the oil money out of Iran.
02:12:38.000I mean, it's not just turning a corner and people being good guys going public with this.
02:12:43.000That's not what Barnett and others are doing.
02:12:46.000I literally heard, in a two-part series on NPR a few months ago, where they came out and bragged about it like they were good, and admitted that our government murdered people and blamed it on Mossadegh.
02:13:54.000Since I wrote the book, one of the key characters in the book, the man who recruited me for Charles T. May and Ina Grieve, who I talk about in the book, has contacted me, written me an amazing letter where he's admitted to a great many things, too, and says that the things I say in the book are true.
02:14:13.000And in his letters he's told me an awful lot more about the things that he did in Asia, and so on, in connection with the CIA.
02:14:21.000And I'm very shocked that he wrote the letter, and at the end he said he was thinking of writing a book, which I'm very much encouraging him to do.
02:14:28.000It is possible that even people like Kermit Roosevelt have had a catharsis that they wanted to confess, and I think that that's a very important part of this process, that if people like Kermit, and like Anna Grieve, and like me and others, You can really start talking about this, and at the same time you get people like Bigleth and Rogoff speaking out against the system.
02:14:51.000Well, exactly, and I want to start taking some calls, but a point I wanted to add to that is we interviewed Charlotte Isserby, who was the number two in the Department of Education for Reagan.
02:15:00.000Her father was Skull and Bones, and was a Bohemian Grove member, and she talked about his deathbed Well, exactly.
02:15:40.000Every time I go to an airport security check, I get pulled aside and frisked and go through the whole check, at least most every time these days.
02:15:50.000Well, why don't we just say hi to the people listening, or the folks that listen to the computer tapes later.
02:15:55.000Do you like the death of 30,000 children a day on your hands?
02:15:59.000Do you like that, whoever's listening?
02:16:27.000Are you aware that the banks are loaning credit, which is illegal?
02:16:34.000And there's lots of people out there, got credit cards, bank loans, student loans, so forth.
02:16:40.000And they can stop that collection process by applying the Fair Debt Credit Practices Act, which requires the bank to show them where the money comes from.
02:21:55.000All right, we're going to have our guests until about 40 after this little segment and a little bit into the next segment.
02:22:02.000Then I'm going to play that tribute to Gary Webb that GNN TV did, Relenews Network, and also that Kansas City news piece about depleted uranium deaths.
02:23:00.000So if you make an error anywhere, if you have a speeding ticket, you won't be able to insure your car, you won't register it, you won't be able to drive.
02:23:07.000And the reason she's saying this is a caller before you came on, Mr. Perkins, was saying, should I run to Canada?
02:23:22.000Your comments on the whole Patriot Act and the National ID Card, all of this police state stuff that's being put in place here, why do you think they're doing that, John?
02:23:31.000Well, it's all part of this empire building, the thing that you've been talking about, what you're calling globalization, you know, it's an attempt to really create a huge empire that's under the control of a very few people.
02:23:45.000And it's something that we just can't let happen.
02:23:48.000You can't run away from it incidentally, but running to Canada or running anywhere else is not the solution.
02:23:54.000The solution is to face it head on, even as our ancestors did back in the 1770s when England was doing something very similar.
02:24:04.000Yeah, that was a form of mercantilism.
02:24:06.000And I was going to say, isn't this really mercantilism?
02:24:08.000It looks like free market, but it's only special licensees working under the crown.
02:24:13.000And the crown today are these top ten global corporations.
02:24:38.000Yes, I just started listening to you recently and I've been praying for you there and so forth that the Lord will strengthen you to expose this evil.
02:24:47.000And make sure you stay in the God's Word, you know, and put Him first and so forth.
02:24:51.000You know, America has done a lot of good around the world and of course we've been drifting the last 50 or more years away from God and away from His Word.
02:25:02.000And the Lord said, you know, man shall not live by bread alone.
02:25:05.000But America is kind of trying to do that.
02:25:07.000Even probably 75% of the people that consider themselves Christians in the broadest sense, they're deceiving themselves.
02:25:15.000They're not stating... No, I agree with you.
02:25:17.000We're not very Christian in our actions.
02:25:19.000We talk the talk, we don't walk the walk.
02:25:40.000I'm a deep conservative in that I want to really see this country follow the principles as outlined in our Constitution, which Sherry mentioned earlier, and in our Declaration of Independence, to really go to our deepest values of equality and justice for all.
02:25:54.000My main comment was, I was leading to, was That, just like everything we have has really been a gift or a grace of the Lord, even the ability to work or to breathe air, I think he's taking our wealth and taking it away from us and out of our hands.
02:26:10.000And even sending other people in, just like he's done with ancient Israel when they went away from God.
02:26:15.000So we need to get back to the... Well, when you become decadent and corrupt, you get enslaved.
02:26:31.000Yes, Mr. Perkins, you mentioned early on that you felt like you were working on behalf of American corporations.
02:26:39.000Do you really feel like these corporations have any sense of American identity, American citizenship?
02:26:46.000Well, you know, corporation is really the people in it, and the people at the top of the corporation will, is a good point that you bring up, Mike, because the people at the top of the corporation will use the laws of whatever land works best for them, and they'll go to that land.
02:26:59.000I would point out that of the 100 largest economies in the world, 52 of these are corporations, not governments.
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02:31:18.000You must stand against it and get out of your denial and realize how you're compartmentalized And how you're being used as a piston in this machine.
02:31:29.000Somebody who's done that and gone public is our guest John Perkins, Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
02:31:34.000I've just got a few final questions for him about his best-selling book and the great work he's now doing, but I wanted to let Mike in Arizona as our tail gunner be our last caller.
02:31:47.000Is it your sense that big private investment bankers, probably some names that we've never even heard of, You sit on the boards of these corporations, are really kind of at the top of the heap, this criminal syndicate?
02:32:02.000Well, I describe in the book what I call a corporatocracy, which is those big bankers you mentioned, also the heads of big corporations and government.
02:32:12.000And these people tend to move back and forth between those jobs, as we all know.
02:32:17.000Robert McNamara was a great example, you know, President of Ford, and then Secretary of Defense under Kennedy and Johnson.
02:32:24.000What about somebody like Michel or Wolfensohn?
02:32:28.000Wolfensohn comes, you know, President of the World Bank today, comes out of the investment community, international investment community.
02:33:14.000He is a kingmaker, as you describe it, as is Dick Cheney.
02:33:18.000And there's a lot of evidence that shows that some of these people actually selected Carter, because they knew that after what Nixon went through with Watergate, that Ford would not be re-elected, and no Republican would, so they wanted a very benign Democrat.
02:33:34.000I think that these kingmakers have a big effect on both parties, in a very significant way.
02:33:41.000Well, I hope folks take it serious, because the Kennedy Biographer is coming out with an authorized book with Schwarzenegger's, quote, plan for the presidency, and they want to use him as an archetypal war king for this empire.
02:34:23.000There's certainly been a lot of very legitimate questions raised, and I can't help but say that on radio shows and at book signings, people are constantly asking me whether I really believe that 19 Arabs, a few of whom were trained, had minimal training as pilots... Couldn't get Cessnas off the ground!
02:34:39.000Yeah, directed by a man with a walkie-talkie in a cave in the mountains of Afghanistan, could have really done this without any inside help.
02:34:46.000Yeah, how did Bin Laden make Norad stand down for an hour and a half?
02:34:48.000How do you make the CIA run drills of the exact same thing happening, the same planes hitting buildings, the same buildings, at the exact same time so Norad would stand down?
02:34:58.000How did Bin Laden get his family flown out by George Bush?
02:35:01.000How did Bin Laden have the code name Tim Osman in the CIA?
02:35:03.000These are very legitimate questions and I have no answer for them.
02:35:07.000As I said, it would be pure speculation on my part.
02:35:12.000I think the United States needs to, I think more people need to ask these questions and I think our official, our government needs to ask these questions.
02:35:18.000As far as I know, there hasn't been any really serious investigation into what happened on 9-11.
02:35:25.000The so-called Independent Commission was appointed by Bush.
02:35:27.000Well, there hasn't been a real police investigation in the way one would occur if a Brinks truck, for example, had been robbed of a few million dollars in Manhattan.
02:35:37.000They wouldn't let anybody photograph the wreckage, and they hauled it off, and the oldest firefighter in the country said it was a cover-up.
02:35:45.000Okay, Mike, a really good final question.
02:35:47.000I'm very glad that you raised that with our guest.
02:35:51.000Just in closing, Mr. Perkins, author of Confessions of an Economic Hitman, and stores now are at Amazon.com.
02:35:58.000I want to talk about just a few other ways this economic mechanism works.
02:36:03.000I mean, they take our tax money that was fiat to begin with.
02:36:07.000They give it to the IMF or World Bank.
02:36:09.000or the XM Bank or for the OECD or any of these groups, they then take money and give it to third world dictators or third world governments and then come in when they default, and they always default, and then grab all of the economic wealth, all the resources.
02:36:30.000Just a little bit more how that scam works.
02:36:34.000Well, it's really kind of a scam that's as old as the ages.
02:36:37.000It's something the mafia has been doing for years.
02:36:40.000You put someone in a position where they can't repay what they owe you, and then you demand your pounds of flesh.
02:36:46.000And in this case, the pounds of flesh sometimes can be U.N.
02:36:50.000votes, sending troops to support us in countries where we want them, like Iraq.
02:36:55.000And nine times out of ten, it's also about taking resources from that country.
02:37:00.000These days, usually oil, but it could be something like the canal, in the case of Panama, bauxite, there's many different, you know, basically we control the valuable minerals around the world.
02:37:10.000And it's all just zeros and ones and computers.
02:37:17.000Well, it's done in dollars at this point, and we make dollars.
02:37:21.000We print dollars, and dollars aren't backed by anything but our say-so, essentially, and people's confidence in them.
02:37:27.000So we're able to give out all this money to countries that don't repay their debt.
02:37:34.000You'd have to ask yourself, how can somebody keep lending money and not getting the money back?
02:37:38.000Well, it's quite easy if you print that money.
02:37:40.000Now, of course, If we should go to the Euro or some other currency, and Saddam Hussein threatened to go to the Euro, OPEC has threatened to go to the Euro, the United States is the largest single-debtor country in the world.
02:37:52.000Actually, the Arabs have just dumped 15% in the last two years of their dollars.
02:37:57.000Japan is saying they may have to do it.
02:37:58.000There was a record slide, the record levels yesterday.
02:38:04.000Boy, that is the final question and the final answer, and I appreciate all your time.
02:38:11.000What do you see happening in 2005 economically?
02:38:15.000I can't really predict that, to be honest with you.
02:38:26.000Well, the Federal Reserve is printing money hand over fist.
02:38:29.000And the House of Saud has kept their commitment and oil prices are going down once again.
02:38:37.000It's really difficult to see where all this is going to take us at this point, and I wouldn't pretend to know that.
02:38:42.000I'm out of the economic forecasting business.
02:38:44.000Well, they can say on the surface it's rebounding, but key indicators, like savings and debt ratios in every sector of the economy, things like factories and jobs and even service layoffs, Those are all at giant levels, and then they engage in all this economic chicanery and squirreliness, where they'll go, well, if you're off the unemployment rolls, then that's someone who's employed.
02:39:10.000Well, you go off those in less than a year.
02:39:11.000Well, that's certainly true, but you know, Alex, when it comes right down to it, you and I don't have a heck of a lot of control over a lot of these things, but what we do have control over is what we buy and how we express ourselves.
02:39:24.000And I would just like to encourage everybody out there, all your listeners, to become part of movements because movements can really create change.
02:39:34.000Because of movements in this country, women vote today and they couldn't 100 years ago.
02:39:38.000Whites ride on the same buses with blacks, which wouldn't have happened 40 years ago.
02:39:44.000Blacks drink out of water fountains they couldn't have drunken out of before.
02:39:47.000The Soviet Union collapsed because of movements, not because of their armies, but because of labor unionists, playwrights, and poets who stood up to a regime there.
02:42:13.000I've been an investigative journalist for about 25 years for daily newspapers.
02:42:17.000And in 1996, I wrote a series of stories entitled Dark Alliance, which was about CIA involvement in drug trafficking.
02:42:25.000What my story showed was that the cocaine that was being sold in those neighborhoods was coming from mainly one source.
02:42:40.000And this one source was being used to finance a guerrilla war in Central America.
02:42:45.000The End The general idea of the CIA dealing drugs was something that the American mainstream press had never written about before, and that's why it prompted outrage.
02:43:03.000Among blacks, among drug reform activists, among politicians, by the CIA, by every federal agency involved in the drug war, because it showed they weren't doing their jobs.
02:43:16.000Well, right after we published the stories, the support we got from the media was very favorable.
02:43:29.000Newsweek Magazine did a big piece on the story and said it was well-documented and well-researched.
02:43:34.000The website was getting like a million hits a day.
02:43:36.000There were marches in Watts, there were marches in Compton, there were candlelight vigils.
02:43:43.000Every California senator demanded an official investigation.
02:43:49.000So the story itself was really building momentum.
02:43:54.000The government reaction was no reaction.
02:43:57.000And this, I believe, was a very careful strategy because nobody was going to believe the government if they came out and said we didn't do it.
02:44:06.000The proof was fairly overwhelming since we had all these government documents showing that it had happened.
02:44:12.000So what happened was they let the so-called liberal press speak for them.
02:44:20.000And they had the national security reporters at the Washington Post, who coincidentally used to work for the CIA, write stories saying, it doesn't mean anything.
02:44:39.000It was a distraction from what the story said, and it became sort of a media war between the Mercury News, which stood behind the story at that point, And the rest of the establishment media who wanted us to back away from it.
02:44:54.000And part of that reason was because these major newspapers had written about this issue back in the 1980s, but had written about it very dismissively as if this is nonsense, it doesn't happen, it never happened.
02:45:08.000And then ten years later we came back with documentation showing that it was absolutely true and that it was worse than it was.
02:45:17.000We had gotten a story out around them And we had gotten it out in a big way that they couldn't control, and that was through the internet.
02:45:25.000And I think a lot of this was directed to the Mercury News to say, we don't care what documentation you have, we don't care what kind of story you've got, we set the national news agenda.
02:45:37.000And if we don't like your story, we will kill your story regardless of its truth.
02:45:41.000The media rejoiced when this came out because it meant they had won.
02:45:52.000They had forced the newspaper to back away from a story that was true.
02:45:57.000Simply because of this barrage of criticism, of mindless criticism essentially, that really took its toll on the editors of the newspaper.
02:46:08.000And they were being seen as sort of outcasts from the club.
02:46:13.000And I think they made a political decision that it was better in the long run to take a dive on this story and get back in the good graces of the rest of the media.
02:46:23.000It was essentially a war between my editors and myself because I wouldn't...
02:46:32.000Apologize for the story or back away from the story and fought them on it.
02:46:38.000So they transferred me to a bureau that was 140 miles from where I lived and I called in sick a lot.
02:46:45.000One of the things I'm proudest of in regards to that story is the website that Mercury News set up.
02:46:59.000Because it really was the first time that a newspaper brought its readers not only into the interior of the paper, but into the reporter's notebooks.
02:47:11.000You know, this was a story that, as I told my editors, had a very high unbelievability factor built into it.
02:47:17.000A lot of people were going to say, this can't be true.
02:47:21.000And this story became a sensation because of the website.
02:47:26.000Not because of the story, but because people could get to it.
02:47:31.000And they could never have gotten to it before because the San Jose Mercury News is a small regional newspaper in northern California that you couldn't read if you lived in New York or you couldn't read if you lived in LA.
02:47:44.000But this story you could read anywhere in the world and see all of our documentation.
02:47:49.000So it became, and we did this on purpose, to make it very hard to knock down, to make it very difficult for people to say this didn't happen.
02:47:57.000But they said it didn't happen anyway.
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02:52:20.000That's how long a guy who's going to commit suicide to you?
02:52:24.000And, I remember I interviewed Gary Webb a couple times, three or four years ago, and it was a few months ago, I was thinking about, man, I need to interview Gary Webb again, and I didn't.
02:52:33.000Then I remember one time, for some reason, he called me.
02:52:35.000About three years ago, and the disc is somewhere in the Piles of stuff I've got.
02:53:37.000Elizabeth, it's a complaint heard all over the country that soldiers are being poisoned by their own ammo.
02:53:42.000They, of course, are made to kill the enemy, but as one Raytown family says, they've turned into unfriendly fire.
02:53:49.000You know, they come out in five minutes and said he's gone.
02:53:56.000For nearly a year and a half, Dwayne Garton worried that his son might return from Iraq in a body bag.
02:54:02.000This is worse than if they'd have got killed over here, really?
02:54:04.000Instead, decorated 35-year-old Army Sergeant Clay Garton spent an agonizing three weeks dying in his parents' Raytown home and at the VA hospital, eventually losing the fight the day after Christmas.
02:54:32.000A father of three, Clay Garten's family believes the Army medic is every bit a casualty of war as those who die on the front lines, after they say he became exposed to depleted uranium dust used in some U.S.
02:54:44.000The government contends the health risks are low.
02:54:46.000I think they know exactly what's going on.
02:54:50.000I think these troops over there are all in danger of this stuff.
02:54:54.000The family says Garten lost 30 pounds before he died starting with a debilitating back spasm earlier this month that was followed by a series of high fevers reaching 106 degrees.
02:55:05.000It was hard to watch my son from such a big, strong, intelligent man to turn into a small Perfect.
02:55:16.000Meanwhile, a grieving father mourns his lost fishing and hunting buddy.
02:55:21.000That's the only way I can remember him.