Big Brother, Mainstream Media, Government Cover-ups. You want answers? Well, so does he. He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network and now, live from Austin, Texas, it's the last day of 2004 and when we join you again on Monday, it will be 2005.
00:02:32.000What do you think the most draconian legislation was in 2004 that passed or didn't pass?
00:02:39.000The assault weapons ban that didn't pass?
00:02:42.000That didn't get reauthorized, thank God?
00:02:44.000That Bush is now trying to pass again?
00:02:49.000Or maybe the new Freedom Initiative to forcibly, psychologically test every child in America twice a year using guidelines written up by the drug companies.
00:02:59.000Or was it sections of Patriot Act 2 in the National ID Card that passed just a few weeks ago in the closing days of a special congressional session?
00:03:27.000They're saying it's probably around 400,000 in Indonesia alone.
00:03:38.000And many other countries were hit as well.
00:03:46.000So, we can discuss this tragedy as well, if you would like to.
00:03:49.000Obviously, the big tragedy, the big disaster of 2004.
00:03:54.000Coming up, latest Bin Laden tapes, outright fakes, designed to create 9-11 Iraq link.
00:04:02.000Bodies pile up as threat of disease grows.
00:04:06.000Again, Dr. Doug Rockey joining us, and a family of a Metro soldier who fears he died from war-related illness will be joining us, as I mentioned.
00:04:17.000Then we'll also get into all the different Big Brother systems and ID scanner systems and RFID and GPS that are going in, that IBM and Walmart and Microsoft are pushing.
00:04:34.000It's all coming up in the next two hours and 55 minutes.
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00:08:02.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
00:08:08.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:12.000This broadcast can be heard Monday through Friday from 11 a.m.
00:08:39.000So you can hear this broadcast no matter really what time zone you live and work in Across the globe, during your waking hours, your daytime hours, your evening hours, there is a chance to tune in to the broadcast.
00:08:54.000Of course, we're live right now, 11 to 2 Central, every single weekday.
00:09:00.000And it is Friday, the 31st of January, 2004.
00:09:52.000That's right, India's last active volcano, the Andaman and Nicobar Islands has erupted in the aftermath of a huge earthquake that set off tsunamis killing thousands of people, official sources said last night.
00:10:10.000And now they've confirmed over 100,000 dead.
00:10:12.000Now they believe it may go over 400,000 dead alone in Indonesia.
00:10:20.000It could be hundreds of thousands dead in Sri Lanka, in India.
00:10:24.000In coastal areas of Africa, this is a mega disaster.
00:10:32.000But it all happened in one instance, in just a few minutes, and so everyone is aware of it.
00:10:38.000What about the 30,000 children that starve to death every day?
00:10:41.000The 24,000 people that die every day from treatable, preventable diseases?
00:10:49.000The globalists don't want you to know about that, because they're carrying out the operations in the name of savoring everyone and stopping it.
00:11:07.000Eli Lilly documents link Prozac to violence.
00:11:11.000Medical Journal reports this out of Bloomberg Financial.
00:11:17.000Now, I'm no genius, but when I first got on air ten years ago, I was covering government documents from Prozac's approval in the early 1980s, where it increased suicide massively, violence caused psychotic breaks.
00:11:34.000Prozac, or the serotonin reuptake inhibitor class of drugs, Prozac the predominant one, One of the most heavily used ones actually are in the same family as LSD and PCP.
00:11:51.000Psychotropics are a subclass of hallucinogens or hallucinogenic drugs.
00:11:57.000And that's why, yeah, when somebody's having a good dream, a good trip as they say, they're very happy.
00:12:03.000But when they have a bad trip, bad things happen with knives, machine guns, And children being ground in bathtubs or having their arms cut off.
00:12:18.000And this is what the studies showed all along.
00:12:20.000But they're not going to stop because there's a government agenda behind this.
00:12:24.000When they find out that FinFin makes your heart fall apart or that Vioxx makes your heart fall apart, they'll pull it off the market.
00:12:32.000But with the serotonin reuptake inhibitors and now the new class of drugs that manipulate multiple chemicals in the brain It's going to continue.
00:13:11.000Went missing during a product liability lawsuit ten years ago and was recently sent to the medical journal by an anonymous source according to the journal's account.
00:13:24.000A jury in 94 found in favor of Lilly in the lawsuit brought on behalf of victims of an 89 workplace shooting, Joseph Westbecker, who had a long history of depression, killed eight people and himself at a Louisville printing plant in 89, a month after being put on Prozac.
00:13:42.000And you see, it's not just this guy that did this.
00:13:44.000We've never found a case of a mother grounding her children, or a mother sawing the toddler's arms off, Or Kip Kinkle going in and shooting people.
00:14:23.000Lilly's offices were closed this week because of the holiday and Lilly spokesman Phil Pelt didn't return a call to his cell phone.
00:14:33.000Prozac has helped to significantly improve millions of lives.
00:14:36.000The article in BMJ cited Lilly as saying it's one of the most studied drugs in history and has been prescribed for more than 50 million people worldwide.
00:16:05.000Those are just the states where I've seen the numbers on it.
00:16:10.000Just do a Google search for your state.
00:16:12.000Type in number of children on antidepressants in Tennessee, in Ohio, in Iowa, in New York, California.
00:16:24.000Or type in number of foster care children.
00:16:27.000Number of children under state care on psychotropics or on mood-altering drugs.
00:16:33.000Just type that in and you can do the research yourself and just stand gaping.
00:16:41.000About a month ago we covered that article out of WAI in Texas.
00:16:46.000Just type in Two-thirds of Texas foster care children on antidepressants, and it'll pop up for you.
00:16:52.000Bunch of articles on it in Texas, but if you don't believe me, so that shows what the government wants.
00:16:57.000You see, when they got a captive audience, it's over two-thirds.
00:17:02.000Now Eli Lilly and others, but Eli Lilly spearheaded the New Freedom Initiative that passed a month ago, a little over a month ago, by a vast majority in Congress.
00:17:14.000Despite the fact major polls, 80 plus percent of Americans are against it.
00:17:19.000Earlier this year, states Bureaucrats, high-level administrators went public in Iowa, Pennsylvania, and other states going, look, we've seen the documents.
00:17:31.000Eli Lilly and a consortium of nine other drug companies wrote the guidelines for TMAP in Texas and advised and wrote the guidelines for the New Freedom Initiative of President Bush and the New Freedom Commission.
00:17:45.000And they brag in internal documents that we've got 15% of the children on the drugs now.
00:17:49.000This will get half of them on it in the next five years.
00:17:53.000So, 50% of you, if they get their plan through, which they passed, which they're able to implement, are going to have the school tell you, put your child on it.
00:18:03.000And when you say no, they're going to send CPS out, and if you don't know your Bill of Rights and Constitution, don't have a network of people to support you, and if you say no, they'll end up sending in men in black ski masks.
00:18:17.000They'll send in an armored vehicle, we'll pull up, just think of the police state level of this, they'll pile out of it, And they'll come!
00:18:25.000Imagine a science fiction movie 20 years ago.
00:18:28.000It would have been a science fiction movie where your police wore black masks and there were cameras everywhere and helicopters flying around looking through our walls and half the children are drugged and when you say no, they send men in black masks.
00:18:42.000You'd go, man, what a crazy science fiction movie is that?
00:18:53.000The FDA recently issued a warning that antidepressants can cause stimulatory side effects such as panic attacks, insomnia, and aggressiveness.
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00:24:10.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
00:24:13.000We're going to your calls here momentarily.
00:24:18.000I use the example of a science fiction movie 20 years ago.
00:24:22.000What if they would have made a film where they forcibly put half the population on drugs?
00:24:28.000And actually, they did make films about that.
00:24:30.000THX 1138, George Lucas' first film with Robert Duvall.
00:24:36.000Also, there was the book Brave New World, Aldous Huxley.
00:24:40.000And Aldous Huxley gave a speech in 62, weeks before he died, To be accurate, two months before he died, we've aired it here at Berkeley, where he said, look, I got this from UN documents.
00:24:52.000I got this from eugenics documents before the UN was even formed.
00:24:56.000You know, my brother ran the UN UNESCO program.
00:26:10.000Somebody with a small gun, probably a .50 caliber with DU rounds, have been shooting our tanks by the dozens and blowing them up and killing those inside.
00:26:21.000In Iraq, that's been happening for the last year and a half since the wonderful liberation.
00:26:27.000And that's what depleted uranium can do, and the Russians have got it too, and it's clear that DU, on the other side, has gotten into Iraq, probably from our good friend, Pootie Poot, as Bush calls him.
00:26:39.000Yeah, that kind of makes sense, because you know, the AVMUS has been in the field since the early 80s, so I get to pass this prior, but that doesn't... Well, it has a depleted uranium shell on its most vulnerable areas.
00:26:55.000And so in the past, the only way to defeat an Abrams would be with a tow missile, but, you know, the similar things, the tow missiles that the Ruskies and others had that blow up over the hatch on the top of the turret.
00:27:09.000But DU with the .50 calibers just, and DU-tipped, you know, rockets, RPGs, just go right through it like butter.
00:27:22.000Staying on a military front, help me with the Humvees.
00:27:29.000Why is a Humvee even used in battle at all?
00:27:31.000Because I'm hearing even if it had lots of armor on it, it's still pretty dangerous.
00:27:35.000Yeah, there's really no way to armor the bottom of it because even if you have armor on the bottom and something blows up under it, just a concussion is going to really hurt the people inside.
00:28:08.000Well, they told them three years ago, they said by 2004, all suppliers must have chips in all products.
00:28:16.000And then a lot of suppliers got boycotted over trying to do it last year, they tried again this year, and Walmart's ordering people to do it, but their suppliers just aren't doing it.
00:28:27.000Yeah, they're saying it's so expensive, like a quarter apiece, once they get the price down to like a penny apiece, I guess they'll roll it out.
00:28:32.000And Hitachi's already got it down to eight cents apiece.
00:29:20.000He said, and you probably, I think you mentioned this on the air the other day, that China and Russia are making plans to throw nukes at us in the later part of this decade.
00:29:32.000Well, they're doing drills next year for joint strikes, joint defense.
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00:33:21.000You're in broadcast on this December 31, 2004 edition.
00:33:25.000And coming up in the next hour, we'll be talking to the father of the Army specialist, the Army medic, who came home and died after being exposed to depleted uranium.
00:33:37.000Then we have the man who wrote the book for the Pentagon on DU, Dr. Doug Rockey, joining us as well in the next hour.
00:33:46.000Right now, let's go ahead and go back to the calls.
00:33:49.000Let's talk to Roger in Pennsylvania, then Ron, Chris, Vicki, Steve, and others.
00:33:57.000I'd like to say to all those appreciative listeners who realize we're at no less than war for the survival of their children, if nothing else, that I propose and implore them to follow through on the easiest New Year's resolution they'll ever make.
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00:34:51.000And to let them know that you might be listening if they were carrying such and such a show, but they don't have your ear and they don't have your advertising dollars, so call the same advertisers on the other shows.
00:35:03.000Well, I appreciate that, Roger, because almost every wonderful AM or FM affiliate we get is from listeners calling their local AM and FM stations in areas where we don't have an AM or FM affiliate and saying, hey, pick up the Alex Jones Show, and we've got a lot of great affiliates.
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00:35:28.000On stations that just carry an hour or two a day.
00:36:29.000You know, just because Roger brought this up, I cannot stress enough how important it is for you to thank the affiliates we have, and in areas where we don't have affiliates, to get us some affiliates.
00:36:44.000Don't waste your time on the big Clear Channels or CBS owned, you know, Westwood One stations or the Infinity stations.
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00:38:34.000Number one, talking about the psychotropic drugs, my sister was placed on those things, and she was probably the most mild-mannered, soft-spoken lady you'd ever want to meet.
00:38:47.000And she, at some point, threatened to kill her own mother.
00:38:52.000and then eventually committed suicide.
00:38:54.000So this is what you get with these drugs.
00:38:57.000I mean, it's just terrible how they affected her.
00:39:01.000And I just think anybody that's on anything like that needs to get off.
00:39:06.000And boy, I can't believe they passed this legislation.
00:39:11.000Ron, I haven't heard from you in a couple years.
00:39:14.000Ron came all the way from Louisiana when we were building the memorial church for those that died at Waco and was there many, many weekends.
00:39:31.000Another thing, the most important story of this past year hasn't been told.
00:39:40.000And that's the people, the hundreds of thousands of people, more than in this tsunami, died from drinking diet drinks and using aspartame products in this past year.
00:42:21.000I watched my sister and she would just get kind of numb, you know, after she'd take this medication.
00:42:28.000And she would just pass even, you know, didn't really just you know interact with you at the time you know and it was I had encouraged her to get off of these drugs but it just they kept pressing it and eventually like I say she committed suicide which is bad you know she was a nice lady well take care and have a good one more more thing got a minute but you got a second
00:42:55.000you had a very bad cold here a while back and lasted for a - For a few days?
00:45:38.000Um, before I make my point, I want to tell you that, um, you really want to stay well in the best, in the worst of times, and I used to get sick all the time.
00:45:48.000And now I don't get sick anymore because I take fresh garlic every day.
00:45:52.000I mean, just don't cook it, just pop it in your mouth and chew it.
00:45:57.000No, obviously, it's all about nutrition.
00:46:04.000Okay, you know, the powers that be are really in our face when they let illegal aliens who are foreign nationals They do not have to participate in the National Identity Card Program?
00:46:49.000Of the 67 people that voted against it, almost every one of them was Republicans.
00:46:54.000But the general public never learned that.
00:46:57.000Rush Limbaugh went on the air and said, we've got to pass this to stop the liberals.
00:47:04.000And, uh, I mean, all the time, boy, Bush is really a conservative.
00:47:07.000And they sell it as, stop the liberals, give up your freedoms.
00:47:11.000But then it's the, quote, liberals who are all voting for this.
00:47:15.000And then the Democrats all howl against the Patriot Act and the rest of it, and oh, evil Bush is doing it, and then no one ever tells them, hey, your own Democrats, House members and Senators, are voting for this.
00:47:26.000So it shows how it's this bipartisan, traitorous stuff that's going on.
00:47:30.000And yes, It actually has a large section of the amnesty rolled into it to give them the robber's license, to accept their fake IDs, their matriculas.
00:47:42.000It does the opposite of keeping us safe.
00:47:44.000It's about tracking and tracing and taxing us.
00:47:47.000They're really concerned about security, you know, like guard the borders, you know.
00:47:52.000Well, what they did is they took thousands of Border Patrol off the border, made them air marshals, and then replaced about half of those they took away, and then claim, oh, we increased Border Patrol, but the head of the Border Patrol Union has said on this show and in the Associated Press that they have thousands less.
00:48:06.000That's the facts, but it doesn't stop Bush from saying how great he is, and from Fox News, every time I watch it going, Bush has beefed up the border!
00:48:14.000You know, when I called Senator Kyle's office out here where I live, and Congressman Renzi, No, I really tried to pin him down and I said, are you going to support that thing with the National Identity Card and the thing with the psychological testing for the children?
00:49:04.000A lot of them are involved in bed-rigging and scamming and bribes, and they exempt themselves from most of the laws that we're under, by the way.
00:49:12.000They have their own private pension fund, their own rules, their own exemptions, everything.
00:49:18.000Most of them are criminals feeding on it, and they just don't care, and they're told, hey, you vote on this.
00:49:24.000So it doesn't matter if 80 plus percent are against open borders, if 80 plus percent are against New Freedom Initiative, Republicans and Democrats.
00:49:31.000It doesn't matter if 70 plus percent are against gun control.
00:49:34.000It doesn't matter if 80 plus percent are against the free trade area of the Americas.
00:49:42.000And so, they know we're angry, they know we're upset, and so they're militarizing the police, building more prisons, gearing up to track, trace, and abuse us.
00:49:52.000When criminals gain control of government, and that's the norm in history, about 95% of the time that's what you have, I mean, this is the norm.
00:50:01.000But again, their talking heads say, government has never been corrupt, only trust it, give up all your rights.
00:50:09.000Anyone who says, watch the government, don't trust it, are insane, probably terrorists.
00:50:14.000Well, you know, I tried to impart that to a friend yesterday to tell him what was really going on, and he keeps falling back on that thing.
00:50:21.000Well, I'm a veteran from World War II, and I serve my country, and I'm a patriot.
00:50:26.000So they think being a patriot means worshipping the government.
00:50:29.000It's 180 degrees from what the Founding Fathers said, but hey, they don't know.
00:50:33.000I mean, he didn't want to hear anything about this thing with the uranium deal, with the soldiers and all that.
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00:54:40.000Before I go back to your calls, though, please make the New Year's resolution to love your family, to seek the truth, to stand up against the despots of the New World Order.
00:54:52.000And one of the best ways to do that, before the year is out, is to stop procrastinating and to, today, call the toll-free number.
01:00:01.000One thing I think we're going to need to do in the next year, we're going to have to do a show on sheeple psychology.
01:00:07.000Because that lady caller that called previously, she said that no matter what she says to that old guy, he just gives you that old, oh, I love my troops and I love my country type of stuff.
01:00:18.000Yeah, you could say to them, our government is feeding our troops into a meat grinder and making hamburger patties out of them and George Bush is eating the hamburger patties.
01:00:30.000You know what, I laugh when you do that because it sounds like you're making fun of those southern boys that waved those flags made in Taiwan and say, I support my troops!
01:00:38.000And I think that's really hilarious, Alex.
01:00:40.000Well, I mean, I'm a Texan, and you can call me a Southerner.
01:00:46.000But, I mean, I can do another voice if you'd like.
01:00:48.000It's just that's the kind of voice I hear around here.
01:00:50.000I've heard plenty of Easterners, but I can't really do the voice.
01:00:54.000Yeah, you're some kind of Communist, Mac!
01:01:22.000God is giving us a chance to stand up and be counted and do the right thing.
01:01:26.000I mean, look, could evil be any more obvious?
01:01:28.000Only people who've taken a great delusion could not see what's going on.
01:01:33.000Yeah, well, I mean, it's great that, and I would say one thing, make this year the year that you give to stations like RBN and GCN, give to these radio stations that promote people like you and Jack Blood and and the others because it's what we need to do is we need to if you have a pickup truck put a big banner across there that says PrisonPlanet.com that's a great way and don't worry about what the government says.
01:02:28.000I'd like your opinion on what you think of what he said.
01:02:31.000Well, I'm not going to say anything here.
01:02:34.000Yeah, Pastor Butch, because you can't believe that there are any officers, generals, colonels, You know, unfortunately, sir, sir, it's just incoherent, and that's the problem with playing clips on the air.
01:03:00.000I can barely hear it and understand it.
01:03:03.000Sometimes we let folks play clips on the air, but that just didn't turn out well enough.
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01:07:02.000In a few minutes, we're going to play this little two-minute news piece from a local NBC station in Kansas City.
01:07:09.000Of course, we happen to have an affiliate, KCXL, doing a great job in Kansas City.
01:07:15.000But this is a problem that faces America, that faces Iraq, that faces Serbia, that faces Afghanistan.
01:07:20.000There are over ten proving grounds in the United States where DU, depleted uranium munitions, are used.
01:07:27.000Depleted uranium is a byproduct of nuclear weapons production and of spent fuel rods from nuclear power plants.
01:07:36.000The heavy metal effect of it is deadly enough and will kill you or make you very ill.
01:07:43.000But the New York Daily News about eight months ago did a test of fourteen different soldiers who said they were ill and were losing weight and having these high fevers.
01:07:54.000Every one of them had high levels of radiation upwards of two rims Two rims will kill most people in long-term exposure.
01:08:04.000And it's long-term exposure because it sits in the lungs and settles out in the bones.
01:08:17.000Okay, let's go ahead and play that clip, and then we'll go... I know it's hard for him to listen to again, but Duane Garten, father of Clay Garten, who spent 16 months in Iraq, but here's that little newscast clip, and our hearts and prayers just go out to him.
01:08:32.000There'll be a phone number at the end of how you can contribute to the family.
01:09:09.000For nearly a year and a half, Dwayne Garton worried that his son might return from Iraq in a body bag.
01:09:14.000This is worse than they could have got killed over here, really?
01:09:16.000Instead, decorated 35-year-old Army Sergeant Clay Garton spent an agonizing three weeks dying in his parents' Raytown home and at the VA hospital, eventually losing the fight the day after Christmas.
01:09:44.000A father of three, Claygarton's family believes the Army medic is every bit a casualty of war as those who die on the front lines, after they say he became exposed to depleted uranium dust used in some U.S.
01:09:56.000The government contends the health risks are low.
01:09:59.000I think they know exactly what's going on.
01:10:02.000I think these troops over there are all in danger of this stuff.
01:10:06.000The family says Garten lost 30 pounds before he died, starting with a debilitating back spasm earlier this month that was followed by a series of high fevers reaching 106 degrees.
01:10:17.000It was hard to watch my son from such a big, strong, intelligent man to turn into a small Meanwhile, a grieving father mourns his lost fishing and hunting buddy.
01:10:33.000That's the only way I can remember him.
01:10:39.000If you were in my body right now, you'd know how hard it hurts.
01:10:44.000A memorial fund has been set up in Clay Garten's name to benefit his three kids.
01:10:48.000For more information, call the Bank of America Raytown branch at 816-979-6292.
01:10:54.000And the family did have tissue samples taken from Clay Garten's body, hoping that they will lead to some concrete answers.
01:11:00.000Reporting live tonight, Ron Mott, NBC News.
01:11:03.000Alright, now again, we really support the troops here.
01:11:06.000So we want the DU to stop being used And we do support their family members, but you notice these neocons, they don't want to talk about it.
01:11:16.000They don't want to support these families.
01:11:17.000They don't even give treatment, and there is treatment, to these soldiers when they're sick.
01:11:23.000We have interviewed many times, he's coming on in about 15 minutes, Dr. Doug Rocky, who literally wrote the book, the training manual, in the 80s on DU and is sick from it.
01:11:33.000Many of his team have died from it, from removing records from the first Gulf War.
01:11:37.000So, the world expert will be joining us, and the government knows full well what it does, and they don't care.
01:11:44.000I know it was hard for you to hear that again.
01:11:46.000Dwayne Garten, father of Army Specialist, a medic, Clay Garten, who's gone home to be with the Lord.
01:11:53.000Dwayne, thank you for coming on with us.
01:12:17.000He flew 300-some-odd missions over there in 16 months.
01:12:21.000He was called out one night and there was an army personnel carrier that had been hit with one of these bullets and the corpsman that was in that unit was the one that was hit and tore his arm off.
01:12:35.000And my son went inside the vehicle to stabilize him so they could transport him to the hospital.
01:15:24.000But, you know, to waste our men and women over there like this, just because some bureaucrat wants to get after somebody that threatened his father when he was in office, it's just not right.
01:15:40.000I mean, he's taken our defenses from here, he's taken all of our National Guard, that's what's supposed to be home security, home, you know.
01:15:48.000So what happens if they invade us with all of our troops over?
01:15:51.000And they're getting killed over there.
01:15:53.000Well let me just bring up that particular VA because they didn't help your son according to what you told me during the break when we first talked.
01:16:03.000Are you aware of the maggot deaths there in the hospital?
01:16:14.000But my son said take him to the VA, so, you know... Well, I know, no, I mean, that's... I'm not... I'm just saying this is... I see what you're saying, yes.
01:16:22.000This is what they think of our veterans.
01:16:25.000They were supposed to have had a big shake-up here and everything and redone everything and my son was in... they put him in an intensive care unit Uh, where you had to put on a gown and a mask and everything to go in.
01:16:39.000And, uh, they didn't tell him that they'd had a fire in their electrical room and the button on the bed didn't work.
01:16:46.000And he kept pressing the button for the nurse to come in and help him.
01:16:49.000And he laid in there 15 minutes and then crapped all over himself before anybody came in.
01:17:18.000Just let, you know, leave him go because he's gone.
01:17:20.000And I said, I'd appreciate it if you remove all the tubes and everything so me and my wife can come in and see him before you take him away.
01:17:28.000And they left us sit out there for an hour before they come out and got us to go in and see him.
01:17:32.000I had to go back there and ask them, Was he ready?
01:17:35.000And the nurse said, oh, yeah, he's ready.
01:17:37.000And I said, why didn't you come tell us?
01:17:44.000And I wish to God I would have took him out of there and put him in another hospital.
01:17:48.000Well, again, we're going to talk about the memorial fund for the grandchildren when we get back.
01:17:55.000But your son, during the break you told me your son had told you that he believed it was the depleted uranium.
01:18:02.000and then we talked about a lot of other people have already died from this with the exact same symptoms.
01:18:07.000Yes, with the high fever and the muscles and then the three that we heard about that died, as soon as they inundated them, put the tube down their throat, they died.
01:18:18.000And that's exactly what happened to him.
01:18:20.000As soon as they put the tube down his throat to ventilate him, he died.
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01:23:06.000I know it's hard for Mr. Garton, Dwayne Garton, father of Clay Garton, to be on with us.
01:23:12.000He's agreed to stay on with Dr. Rocky coming up in the next segment.
01:23:17.000We were talking again during the break, Dwayne, and you were talking about Friends that you have, people who've come back who've lost 90 pounds.
01:23:45.000and the F-18 Joint Strike Fighters and the Abrams and the Bradleys, and then our troops move into those bases, and the government is so confident that we won't be able to stand up against them.
01:23:57.000Can you comment on the people you've talked to who've also been sick and dying from this, and then what you think should happen in Iraq, sir? - Yes, I'd be glad to.
01:24:05.000My daughter has a friend who, a friend of hers was a mother and daughter that were over there.
01:24:12.000The daughter came back and within I think they said within 34 days she lost 90 pounds and they don't expect her to live either.
01:24:26.000So my son lost 30 pounds in 17 days in the hospital.
01:24:35.000So this has got to be something that they know And I know, even after they do this autopsy, they will not give me concrete evidence of what killed him.
01:24:56.000We're going to put him, bury him Monday.
01:24:59.000And, uh, they've already unbombed him, so, you know, it's a, it's, you know, A little late for some of the things, but they took all these tissue samples that you're talking about and they were going to send them out and do an autopsy and it told us to be six weeks before we would know any of the results.
01:26:20.000But you know, my son was working, at one time he was working in an air base there in Iraq.
01:26:29.000Uh, escorting 12 Iraqi workers to rebuild this hangar and he said they were cleaning it out and there were canisters of everything and storage rooms and everything and nobody knows what was in them and they were just carrying them out and you know getting rid of them.
01:26:48.000So, you know, he can be exposed to something there, but if it's a germ warfare the way I understand germ warfare when I was in the service... It'll happen pretty quick.
01:26:57.000Why would they want you to live six months?
01:26:58.000They want to get rid of you now because you're fighting them.
01:27:00.000Now, what happened to your son, Fitch, the M.O.
01:27:03.000that I learned of eight, nine years ago with the D.U.?
01:27:06.000Yeah, well, that's exactly what I think it was because he was healthy up until the First of December.
01:27:16.000I mean, he's been back since May, you know.
01:27:18.000Well, sir, you own those tissue samples.
01:27:25.000I would demand those samples back if this is a VA-contracted group, and I'd have an independent lab do it like the New York Daily News did.
01:27:51.000I'm just saying if they're VA involved with the past stuff we've seen... Well, all their resident doctors are resident at the VA hospital over there.
01:28:24.000They've been fighting for 2,000 years there.
01:28:27.000And as soon as we fall out of there, even after this election that he's so great about, they'll come in there and take it back away from them.
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01:32:29.000We're going to air this one more time and at the end it has the phone number of the Bank of America to give some donations to help the widower and the three grandchildren because we really support the troops here.
01:32:38.000We're going to air this so Dr. Rocky has brought up the speed on this particular case.
01:32:43.000Then we're going to have Dr. Rocky and Dwayne Garten, the father of Army Specialist Clay Garten, on together.
01:32:51.000But one more time, here is this little NBC News piece.
01:32:55.000A soldier survives Iraq, but dies of a mysterious illness his family suspects the government is hiding.
01:33:01.000NBC Action News reporter Ron Mott is live with the story you'll see only on NBC Action News.
01:33:07.000Elizabeth, it's a complaint heard all over the country that soldiers are being poisoned by their own ammo.
01:33:12.000They, of course, are made to kill the enemy, but as one Raytown family says, they've turned into unfriendly fire.
01:33:19.000You know, they come out five minutes and said, he's gone.
01:33:26.000For nearly a year and a half, Dwayne Garton worried that his son might return from Iraq in a body bag.
01:33:32.000This is worse than if he'd have got killed over here, really.
01:33:34.000Instead, decorated 35-year-old Army Sergeant Clay Garton spent an agonizing three weeks dying in his parents' Raytown home and at the VA hospital, eventually losing the fight the day after Christmas.
01:34:02.000A father of three, Claygarton's family believes the Army medic is every bit a casualty of war as those who die on the front lines, after they say he became exposed to depleted uranium dust used in some U.S.
01:34:14.000The government contends the health risks are low.
01:34:16.000I think they know exactly what's going on.
01:34:20.000I think these troops over there are all in danger of this stuff.
01:34:24.000The family says Garton lost 30 pounds before he died starting with a debilitating back spasm earlier this month that was followed by a series of high fevers reaching 106 degrees.
01:34:34.000It was hard to watch my son from such a big, strong, intelligent man to turn into a small Meanwhile, a grieving father mourns his lost fishing and hunting buddy.
01:34:50.000That's the only way I can remember him.
01:34:57.000You're in my body right now, you know how hard it hurts.
01:35:01.000A memorial fund has been set up in Clay Garton's name to benefit his three kids.
01:35:05.000For more information, call the Bank of America Raytown branch at 816-979-6292.
01:35:12.000And the family did have tissue samples taken from Clay Garton's body, hoping that they will lead to some concrete answers.
01:35:18.000Reporting live tonight, Ron Mott, NBC.
01:35:20.000I talked to Dr. Rocky during the break.
01:35:22.000We're about to go to him and Mr. Garton.
01:35:24.000And he said, definitely get those samples back.
01:35:31.000Until it turns into something where they say, oh, false positive, and then you don't want to exhume or anything.
01:35:37.000Again, New York Daily News and others did blood tests on troops, found massive levels of radiation, upwards of two rims, the heavy metal effects, all of it.
01:35:47.000And understand, folks, I have copies of the Army Manual that Dr. Rocky helped write.
01:35:52.000I've seen online hours of the seven-hour training video they're supposed to watch.
01:35:59.000This was to be a frontline weapon to fight the Soviet Union if they poured across Europe with their 6-1 superiority of armor.
01:36:09.000This was to be a frontline emergency weapon during a nuclear war to just go ahead and knock out their tanks.
01:36:15.000Instead, they've used it in the First Gulf War, Second Gulf War, Serbia, From Kosovo, to Belgrade, and of course in Afghanistan.
01:36:50.000Just to fill you in on this, and why does Donald Rumsfeld and this government, Bill Clinton, all of them, they don't care!
01:36:57.000And to examine this psychology and to go over the facts with us is Dr. Rockey.
01:37:02.000Dr. Rockey, just in a nutshell, tell us your incredible bio.
01:37:07.000And then what DU is, and what the effects are, what the science is, what the Pentagon's own manuals show, and then I want to get into the psychology of why they're using it and don't care, and then we'll be talking in a minute or so here to Mr. Garton, father of Clay Garton.
01:37:26.000Thank you, and first my condolences to the father and the family.
01:37:29.000You know, another warrior has fallen and is totally unnecessary and unacceptable.
01:37:35.000Well, my background in the military goes back to 1967, Vietnam time, a few years over there in that area, and going through, coming back in as a combat medic three years in the infantry, and moving on up through the ranks, starting out from the enlisted and going up through the officer ranks, so I've held all the ranks in different positions in the military.
01:37:56.000When Gulf War I started, my expertise and my team's expertise, and I'm just a member of the team, We were under senior colonels that, again, were the leaders of our team.
01:38:06.000Our expertise was nuclear, biological, chemical warfare, preventive medicine, hazardous materials, and then obviously, with the completion of the ground war, we got tossed in the whole depleted uranium mess.
01:38:18.000In late February after the ground war, February, March of 1991, General Schwarzkopf specifically assigned me As he was ordered by the Pentagon to go out and clean up the DU mess.
01:38:30.000And, uh, ever since it's been a nightmare.
01:38:54.000Well, we wrote the reports on DU once we got up there and started cleaning up the mess and finding out the problems and all of us started getting sick within 24 to 72 hours.
01:39:02.000We went up there and found people sick.
01:39:04.000We started getting sick and our first cancers on our team started within nine months.
01:39:08.000The first cancer deaths within two years.
01:39:11.000All the other health effects started showing up.
01:39:13.000The thing that's important about this, and this is one of the things that I've been yelling and screaming and the rest of our team has been yelling and screaming at the top of our lungs, you need to understand.
01:39:21.000We're all medical, senior scientists, army professionals.
01:39:25.000We're army leaders that became persona non grata when we spoke about this stuff.
01:39:30.000What happened in Gulf War I and what we're seeing the same in Gulf War II is not only do we have all the uranium contamination, but we destroyed a nation and released all the toxic industrial chemicals that are used in agriculture, industry, medicine, and education.
01:39:46.000We sent the troops in there without the adequate training.
01:39:50.000I mean, the United States General Accounting Office confirmed before the report that the gas masks and the mop suits ever issued to the troops were defective and faulty.
01:39:58.000That's an absolute simple fact of life.
01:40:01.000The kids did not know how to use this stuff.
01:40:04.000They were not given the training that's mandated.
01:40:06.000And I think it's important to understand on the DU training that I put together for the Army, Yeah, let's go back over that, and then even previous to that, the Pentagon and the Lawrence Livermore Laboratories and others, they had admitted that DU was really bad, but they kept this quiet.
01:40:26.000Yeah, I mean, we can go back as far as the reports that were compiled after we gave it to Israel to use it against the Egyptians in the Sinai in 73 and 74.
01:40:37.000That confirmed all the health effects and the environmental problems.
01:40:40.000The work that we put together, coming back when I got what's called the infamous Groves Memorandum, goes back to 1943.
01:40:48.000And we've talked to individuals that were present, were involved in writing this stuff, that uranium was going to cause all these health effects once it's inhaled, ingested, or get into the body.
01:40:57.000And when you combine the uranium contamination from the use of the weapons, plus all of the other contaminants from war, you've got an absolute toxic nightmare.
01:41:06.000And that's why, and according to the U.S.
01:41:08.000Department of Veterans Affairs, They're totally acknowledging that of all individuals served in the Persian Gulf, from say August of 1990, and the latest reports I've got are, you know, May of this year, this last year.
01:41:21.000Well, yeah, we're still in 2004, aren't we?
01:41:24.000We're looking at well over 260,000 for our sons and daughters.
01:41:29.000That's over 30% of the forces that have already been labeled disabled.
01:41:52.000And that, as members of the 442nd New York National Guard, you have to understand, these were the heroes of 9-1-1.
01:41:59.000These are the police and firemen that survived that tragedy on that day, were put on active duty, and sent to war, With defective equipment, with totally inadequate training...
01:42:12.000into a contaminated area where the leaders had not complied with the U.S.
01:43:02.000So we're looking at three times the amount.
01:43:05.000And the thing that's disturbing me Most.
01:43:08.000The United States Army Surgeon General, General Ronald Peek, specifically ordered, and again he's reiterating all the orders we go back to to my original one right after the ground war in 91, to provide immediate radio bioassays, immediate medical care for all individuals who have been exposed.
01:43:24.000In the case of 442nd, the US Army absolutely refused to comply with the existing orders, forcing the individuals at the New York Daily News to take it upon themselves, acquire the funding to set up the testing.
01:43:37.000So that order requiring medical care for all of our sons and daughters is absolutely not being complied with.
01:43:42.000Okay, let me bring Mr. Garten on, father of Clay Garten, 36 year old who came back and died within a month once he got sick.
01:43:51.000and they basically didn't give him any treatment and kept denying that DU was involved.
01:43:57.000Now they took samples and gave it to the university medical system that they basically control.
01:44:01.000Mr. Garten, tell him about the sampling that took place so Dr. Rocky can try to give you some advice on that.
01:44:09.000After his death, they wanted to do an autopsy, and I told them they weren't going to do a massive autopsy and cut my son up any worse and make him any worse than he was.
01:44:22.000And then they came back later and asked if they could do tissue samples without doing any, you know, big cutting of the body.
01:44:30.000And that way they could absolve, but go ahead.
01:44:32.000They can take little small tissue samples by drilling a little hole in the head and taking the samples and the lungs and the liver and the heart and all that stuff.
01:44:41.000And then they said that they were going to take these samples over to KU and send them out and get these tests done on them and then we would know in six weeks, you know, what the problem was.
01:44:54.000And then again, tell folks the relationship between KU and the VA there.
01:44:58.000Well, the VA, all the interns are members of KU Medical Center and all the head doctors over there are from KU Medical Center.
01:45:07.000They work there like once a week or something like that or once a month.
01:45:11.000And it's all run by KU, the Veterans Hospital is more or less.
01:45:17.000And they went and done a bone marrow tap on my son in the last week that he was there.
01:45:24.000And they came back, they said, no, he don't have no uranium poisoning.
01:45:33.000To me, I don't think they were telling us the truth.
01:45:35.000Well, I mean, they said that these National Guard in New York didn't have it, and then boom, New York Daily News did it, and they hit massive levels.
01:45:41.000Dr. Rockey, what would you do about this?
01:45:51.000Warriors have been sent to war with defective equipment, inadequate training, and a total lack of medical support ever since I came into the military in 1967.
01:46:08.000First off, For the exposure of depleted uranium and these other toxins, with DU they needed to do what's called a radio bioassay and that's where they collect the urine of feces samples and do a nasal and pharyngeal swab to determine what the exposures are.
01:46:25.000That's supposed to happen within 24 to 72 hours of your exposure.
01:46:30.000Well obviously not, they're not going to comply.
01:46:32.000That is the written orders but they are absolutely refusing to comply with that.
01:46:36.000Not only for our own sons and daughters, but for also everybody else that's exposed and that's Iraqi children, Afghan children, the Balkan children, and it goes all over the United States, whether it's Concord, Massachusetts.
01:46:47.000Yeah, ten different testing grounds, correct?
01:46:49.000Yeah, a whole bunch of different places.
01:46:53.000And so, when they do the tissue samples, now, they did the tissue sample biopsy on me, and I still got the scar on my arm, and I'm looking at it right now.
01:48:57.000He believes, his son believes, correct, Mr. Garton, that they have captured weapons?
01:49:04.000From what he said, the attack on this column, when they shot the shell through there, was from Iraqis.
01:49:11.000Now, the only thing that's going to happen is the U.S.
01:49:14.000has been shooting up everything and everything that moves, whether it's a building, it's a water treatment facility, whether it's food storage, or it's our own.
01:49:20.000I mean, we have an Abrams tank that was lost in August, August 28th, you know, over a year ago.
01:49:26.000That was all friendly fire from 50 Cal.
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01:54:55.000What you have is the Abrams tank does have DU components.
01:54:59.000If those things are penetrated or you have any problem, you'll have a portion.
01:55:02.000But the main problem is with the Abrams and everything and the Bradley, they have such an upload of D.U.
01:55:08.000munitions on board that if you get hit by friendly fire, which is what happened during Gulf War I, because the majority of the deaths and wounds were friendly fire from D.U.
01:55:16.000during Gulf War I, what you have is the release of not only what was shot at it, but you have the release of what was on board.
01:55:23.000Now in the Iraq Equipment, one thing that we verified as part of the Captured Equipment Project, that thing is chock full of radioactive materials on its own.
01:55:31.000Okay, so you have those things released during a detonation that are inherent components of the Iraqi Equipment, or the Soviet Equipment, whether it's the BMP, that's the Armored Personnel Carrier that his son went in to treat the guy, or any of the tanks, or anything else.
01:55:49.000The other thing that's important to understand is not only do you have uranium munitions, you don't just have a pile of solid radioactive dust.
01:55:55.000You've got all the other contaminants that are all mixed together, and so what this is is a synergistic toxic wasteland.
01:56:05.000Mr. Garten, I appreciate you having the courage to come on the broadcast, and I'm so sorry about your son, but how do people contribute to help out your grandchildren?
01:56:14.000They can make a donation to the Bank of America, The order of Clay W. Garten, and that's in Raytown, Missouri, and the address there is 10100E East 350 Highway, Raytown, Missouri, at 64138-ZIP.
01:56:28.000E. 350 Highway, Raytown, Missouri at 64138 ZIP.
01:56:37.000The phone number is area code 816-979-6294.
01:56:43.000And we appreciate anything that anybody can do.
01:56:46.000And we appreciate you giving us the opportunity to discuss our pain and misery and our feelings of what's been going on.
01:56:54.000And the gentleman that's on the air with you, I hope you have a good fight and we can all do this together and get this stuff stopped because we should not be killing our own people.
01:57:05.000And, you know, we had a civil war here many hundred years ago and we don't need it anymore.
01:57:12.000I want to just give you a few more minutes on the other side, and then we'll let you go, Mr. Garten.
01:57:15.000But I want to ask you and Mr. Rockey both when we get back, why the establishment doesn't care about the troops.
01:57:22.000You know, the psychology of this, because they know.
01:57:24.000So just do a few more minutes with us, Mr. Garten, and we'll let you go.
01:57:27.000We'll continue then with Dr. Rockey, get into more detail about the EU and how to stop this.
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01:58:08.000For the last hour, we've had the father of Army Sergeant Clay Garton, who clearly was exposed to TU and believes that he was sick from it and he died.
01:58:20.000Many others have admittedly been contaminated and have been sick and have died.
01:58:41.000Many members of his team have died from it.
01:58:44.000And we're going to let Mr. Garton go here in just a few minutes and we'll continue with Mr. Rockey, Dr. Rockey.
01:58:50.000But Clay and Dr. Rockey, both of you, in the few minutes we've got left here in this segment, Rumsfeld, Bush, Clinton, all these people know what this does.
01:59:01.000The Army's own documents, as you said, going back to the 70s and 80s, know how toxic and deadly this is.
01:59:08.000And there's other contaminants, not just DU, in these DU rounds.
01:59:39.000And when you send a warrior, as we'll say, charge a machine gun at us, that warrior goes in there with an attitude that first I'm immune, I'm Superman, nothing can happen to me.
01:59:49.000But then when it happens, they absolutely just totally disregard the health and environmental effects.
01:59:55.000In March of 1991, and again you have a reference to this, I think you're linked to it, I received a memorandum from the Los Alamos National Labs called, what we call the Payne-Los Alamos Memo.
02:00:07.000It was written by our Colonel Michael Zeme, very specifically stated that we should rely on our reports in order to sustain the use of uranium munitions because they're so effective in combat.
02:00:17.000Combat commander does not care And the generals and the president don't care what happens to the troops.
02:00:23.000Well, that's like saying, let's drop neutron bombs on our troops because it will kill the enemy, too.
02:00:31.000Well, in my opinion, they should have just nuked the whole country and not even send our troops in and we'd have wasted them all.
02:00:37.000Instead of doing it slowly, we'd kill them all at once.
02:00:39.000Well, you know, sir, there's one of the things, and we have to go to this, and you know, I was involved in the planning.
02:00:44.000I mean, Gulf War to Operation Iraqi Freedom was totally ready to go by the summer of 2000, and then when Gore didn't get elected, the kibosh got put on that invasion.
02:00:54.000Iraq posed absolutely no threat to the United States.
02:01:41.000Let's put our shields... Well, I think what Dr. Rocky was saying is that Friendly fire has killed more of our troops in these last few wars than the enemy, and now the D.U.
02:01:50.000and the chemicals are killing tens of thousands, and you're not supposed to talk about it, Dr. Rockey?
02:01:56.000I mean, you have to understand, this is coming down to very simple.
02:02:00.000It's our own actions, and our total disregard for the consequences of the weapons systems that we use, and the destruction of the nation's infrastructure that we wrought when we go in on there.
02:02:12.000Let me just finish up with Mr. Garten real quick.
02:02:15.000Mr. Garten, I want to thank you for coming on the broadcast.
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02:06:49.000Going back to the 70s, say that it does this, and then we have their own memos where they say we gotta cover this up because it's such a good weapon.
02:06:58.000And then we march our troops in as disposable heroes, and then I've gotten emails before, ah, you commies, shut up!
02:07:06.000Well, you just call up Mr. Garten, then, who just lost his son, and you go and you look at the graves, or you go to the funerals of these troops.
02:07:13.000There's people dying right here in Austin.
02:07:15.000Troops that come back and die and are buried up in the ground!
02:07:19.000And they get these muscle spasms, these high fevers, they do the tests, they've got DU in them, from Texas to New York to Florida, the tests have been done!
02:07:28.000And so if you really care about the troops, If you really care about what's happening to them, you call your gods, Rush Limbaugh and the rest of them, these neocons who aren't real conservatives, and you demand they talk about this.
02:07:44.000You don't really care about the troops or America.
02:07:46.000You care about feeling like you're on a football team, the winning team, the neocon team.
02:07:50.000Well, your Democrat buddies did it too.
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02:10:14.000Dr. Rocky, continuing here, I mean, where should we go now?
02:10:19.000I mean, talking to Mr. Garton, you know, hearing about how his son died,
02:10:26.000Number one, what are the numbers that you've got since DU was first used thirteen years ago in the first Gulf War and now used in three other areas, and well, four other areas, also here in the U.S., at least ten different zones, open air, mass munitions at these different weapons testing grounds and all these battlefields where they're doing these simulated wars.
02:10:53.000How many people are sick and dying from this?
02:10:57.000We have to look at all of the combinations of the effects we had.
02:11:00.000You can't isolate the exposures out to one given thing, and that's what's been the absolute horrifying thing about this whole thing.
02:11:08.000We know the individuals when they have very specific exposures to uranium munitions contamination by an inhalation, ingestion, or absorption, or the shrapnel in their wounds that they're going to have problems.
02:11:18.000I'm going to go back to the middle of last year where I actually have the U.S.
02:11:22.000Department of Veteran Affairs reports.
02:11:26.000696,841 individuals that served during the Persian Gulf War proper, the combat action from August of 1990 through October-November of 1991.
02:11:32.000During the Persian Gulf War proper, the combat action from August of 1990 through October, November of 1991, as of May of last year, 231,000 had put in for claims because they were sick and ill. had put in for claims because they were sick and The VA had awarded, this is just those involved in the active combat phase of Gulf War I, 179,310
02:11:58.000Now, we know the most current data and reports we've had in the last few weeks that this number now is over 181,000 that are in permanent disability.
02:12:09.000Now, they denied medical care to over 27,000 people.
02:12:34.000Now, of everybody that served in the Persian Gulf region from August of 1990 through May of 2004, we had over 327,000 that have put in for permanent claims the VA.
02:12:51.000And the VA had awarded permanent disabilities over 257,000.
02:14:03.000If we look at the total number of individuals in the USA, Department of Defense totally acknowledges involved in friendly fire, plus all of our cleanup, that's over 400 individuals.
02:14:33.000And what we look at, which is really bad news on this whole thing, is even though we had 424 individuals there that I can specifically identify the Department of Defense is totally acknowledged in their own documents, they told President Bill Clinton back in 1998, that was seven years after the fact, they'd they told President Bill Clinton back in 1998, that was seven years after the fact, they'd only notified 104 and 105 individuals out of 424 that they need medical And as the Department of Defense is totally acknowledging here even recently,
02:15:01.000So they're even admitting, yes, you've been poisoned, you need care, but the mainstream media is still, is DU bad for you?
02:15:08.000Well, the other thing too is, but you can't get medical care.
02:15:10.000I mean, you know, up until even the last few days, I'm still fighting to get medical care for my sergeant.
02:15:15.000The Department of the Army National Records Center in St.
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02:15:21.000But you go to the unclassified classified reports and the FOCUS is all over the place.
02:15:26.000So what we have is just a total, absolute disregard for the existing orders and regulations that mandate medical care for everybody.
02:15:54.000But then when we send our troops in with inadequate training, for example, right here near Champaign, Illinois, we're getting ready to deploy over 600 members of the 2nd Battalion, 130th Illinois Army Infantry National Guard to Iraq.
02:16:28.000I mean, the number of orders that were issued once I completed all this stuff back in the 90s and again reissued in the total His refusal to do it is just continued travesty and atrocity.
02:16:38.000Why every war do they do this to our troops and now it's getting even worse?
02:16:41.000I mean, why do they almost take an enjoyment in hurting the troops even greater than the enemy does and then not even giving them treatment?
02:16:49.000Well, part of the thing is it's just one in the battle and one in the war with a total disregard for health and environmental effects.
02:16:54.000You have to understand, this goes back to what I learned from my days in Vietnam.
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02:22:14.000Roosevelt, and this is now, the documents were declassified two years ago in major New York papers, but just back of the paper, Ordered the Navy to leave 7,000 American citizens in the Philippines so they'd be captured because it would, quote, be good propaganda in the newsreels.
02:22:36.000I've interviewed people who were 6 years old in the camps, watching their mothers and fathers being tortured and raped by the Japanese, who were pretty brittle, just so they could have some propaganda in newsreels about having our civilians.
02:22:50.000Oh, but they wouldn't be involved in 9-11, the globalists would.
02:23:03.000The government's run by sweetie pies that are just so nice.
02:23:07.000And Dr. Rocky, most of the troops and police I've talked to know something's wrong, support what I'm doing, what you're doing.
02:23:13.000But, a few weeks ago, I was buying some Christmas presents at Academy's Sporting Goods store, and a guy walked up, and you know, he's like, I fly helicopters with the Night Stalkers, and I'm like, and you know, you're full of it, and blah blah blah, and I said, well, you know, the vaccines have been admitted to be deadly.
02:24:10.000He had told us back in Vietnam days, between combat missions, he said, you know, I'm going to always take care of you, and I want you to always take care of the troops, because that's our primary responsibility.
02:24:18.000Well, right before he died here a few years ago, he looked at me and said, well, Sergeant Rock, because at that time I was a sergeant, ended up going through all the ranks, he said, Sergeant Rock, that's how he remembered me.
02:24:30.000Are you still taking care of the troops?
02:24:35.000What we have to understand with uranium munitions use, the United States made the conscious... United States officials, Department of Defense officials... You have the document!
02:24:46.000Made the conscious choice to use uranium munitions in disregard of the health and environmental effects.
02:24:51.000The Army Regulation, and I'm looking at it right here, signed by General Shinseki, who issued the original order Back in October 93 to clean up the medical care, provide all the training, and clean up all environmental contamination that got me on this whole DEU project.
02:25:07.000This Army regulation specifically states, I'm going to read this quote, Commanders Radiation Safety Officer will identify, segregate, isolate, secure, and label all radiologic and contaminated equipment.
02:25:19.000Procedures to minimize the spread of radioactivity will be implemented as soon as possible.
02:25:24.000Okay, that's not a question, that's a direct order.
02:25:28.000The unit team, individual responsible for the equipment, whether friendly or foreign at the time of damage or contamination, responsible for taking all actions consistent with this regulation and the pamphlet that I wrote.
02:25:41.000All equipment to include captured or combat radiologically contaminated equipment will be surveyed, packaged, retrograded, decontaminated, and released in accordance with the Technical Bulletin 9-1300-278.
02:26:34.000Not a thing, well, I'll think about it.
02:26:36.000It says, thou shalt provide medical care.
02:26:39.000When we look at the technical bulletin that we revised based on all our research and first-hand experience, not somebody sitting at a desk thinking about this stuff.
02:26:54.000But what you really do and how you clean up the mess.
02:27:04.000And so when you look at the very specific specifications, it's not, i.e., something that you say, I can get around with.
02:27:14.000We know that the level of contamination that exists throughout Iraq, in the camps with the soldiers there, in the combat areas, exceeds any permissible levels.
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02:30:44.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
02:30:54.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
02:30:58.000I know we've had loaded phones for the last hour and a half, but I haven't been taking calls because I've had two guests on about DEA.
02:31:05.000If you want to talk about depleted uranium, or examples of our government not caring about its own minions, just to show you how ruthless these corporate creatures are, we'll go to John and Roger and a few others that are holding, plus a caller wants to talk about a Casper, Wyoming, Star Tribune article about Clarence Thomas, the Bohemian Grove.
02:31:28.000I saw it this morning, didn't print it for some reason, didn't bring it, but we'll talk to that caller about that, too.
02:31:34.000You want to talk to Dr. Doug Rockey, an American hero, Vietnam veteran.
02:31:42.000Literally wrote the book in the early 90s on DU and how deadly it is for the Pentagon.
02:31:47.000The official Army regulations not being followed.
02:31:50.000And then the neocons get on radio, like the gun-grabbing, open-border, big-government-promoting scum they are, and tell you, it's conservative, it's good for you.
02:32:10.000New York Daily News did blood tests at a major firm.
02:32:13.000I mean, that's very high levels, folks.
02:32:15.000But before we go back to Dr. Rocky and your calls, I want to play this clip, I've played it probably ten times over the last few months, for local CBS News, this has been all over the country, similar reports, where they tell you new reports, mercury's good for your child's brain!
02:32:30.000I expect them to say uranium's good for you soon!
02:32:33.000You know, this is the just incredible lying...
02:32:37.000I want, you know, from our scientists, from our PhD, I want to get his comment on mercury being nutritious for you.
02:32:43.000Mercury-containing vaccines may have on kids.
02:32:46.000A life-saving device wins over-the-counter approval by the FDA.
02:32:49.000And sick of your glasses and contact lenses, a new corrective eye surgery is approved today.
02:32:54.000Here's tonight's medical headlines with medical watch reporter, Sheila Mathers.
02:33:00.000Mercury-containing vaccines may help not harm kids, according to two new studies in the journal Pediatrics.
02:33:07.000There have been widespread concerns that mercury-based preservatives in vaccines might impair the neurological development of children.
02:33:13.000These new studies suggest that the opposite, that the preservatives may actually be associated with improved behavior and mental performance.
02:33:21.000We've been moved by the Food and Drug Administration.
02:33:26.000The point here is that one study was done by a big drug company that makes vaccines, the other by the feds, and they have literally thousands of studies about how bad mercury is for the brain, especially at 200 times safe levels.
02:33:38.000That's what a six-month-old gets over the first round of shots.
02:33:42.000Dr. Rockey, just a side issue, they're now telling us that mercury is good for us.
02:34:22.000I'm going to make this loud and clear.
02:34:24.000The Los Alamos Memorandum, which you have a link to on your website, very specifically stated, rely on the reports in order to sustain the use of uranium.
02:34:32.000We've got a link to that, but do you have that in front of you?
02:35:09.000Well, tell us what that particular officer said.
02:35:12.000Well, what it said, very specifically stated, we need to ensure the use of uranium munitions, we need to put it together, and there has to be total proponency, and whenever we write after action reports to ensure that we sustain the use of uranium munitions.
02:35:25.000I mean, that's been going off and on forever.
02:35:27.000When I was director of the Depleted Uranium Project, all this information started coming out, and I'm going, Well, you know, we gotta all get this put together, but the same thing, we're trying to make sure it's taken care of within the military.
02:35:49.000The idea and the concept just to kill and destroy and totally disregard the health and environmental effects of warfare, whether it's uranium munitions or destruction of a nation's infrastructure, And walk away just for power and greed and everything else is what's driving it all around.
02:36:03.000The sick part is that the current White House, and it was the same for Clinton, is a bunch of chicken hawks.
02:36:09.000Well, I mean, it's, you know, you have to understand, all these people involved in this stuff go back through multiple administrations.
02:36:15.000The guys that are running this thing now under Bush 2 were the same ones that were doing it under Clinton, and some of them were involved in Bush 1, and they go back forever.
02:36:25.000You need to understand, it doesn't change.
02:37:02.000I'm tired of our nation's soldiers being sent to war with inadequate training, with inadequate equipment, in totally contaminated environments, not being provided the mandated medical care that is required by direct orders, put into areas where the contamination is all over the place because it has not been cleaned up, Even though it is absolutely required by U.S.
02:37:25.000Army Regulation, Department of Defense Regulations and Guidelines.
02:37:29.000Well, they used three times as much D.U.
02:37:31.000in Iraq this time as fourteen years ago.
02:38:21.000The regulations mandate... Well, that's my point.
02:38:23.000Why did I have an army officer laughing at me saying he'd been told it was a conspiracy by his superiors when I was saying, your own manual says it's deadly.
02:38:34.000You have to remember, you get in this mindset where they got everything put together, okay?
02:38:40.000And the individual, the group think, and they say, well, this is what they tell me, so therefore it's there.
02:38:45.000You know, if I hadn't been there and learned it myself, Okay, and went through the process of understanding what happened and making the decision, I can't go along with this nonsense anymore.
02:38:54.000I might have stuck in there with those guys.
02:38:57.000But what I learned and what I saw in a military career that spanned over, you know, well over 30 years, and all these special considerations, is they don't care.
02:39:06.000And for a soldier that believes this stuff but doesn't look and says, I'll give you an example.
02:39:14.000Army and Department of Defense officials that are responsible for radiation safety for the troops and our nation's troops right now and in the past have absolutely point blank refused to join me in my effort to ensure that medical care is provided to our nation's sons and daughters as ordered by the U.S. Surgeon General and the environmental contamination is cleaned up as ordered by General Shinseki.
02:39:39.000So when we here support the troops, that means live in denial, drink your six-pack, don't care about the troops.
02:39:46.000Now this is number three of your three questions.
02:39:48.000By what legal or ethical right can members of the United States military or any other nation's military disperse tons of uranium weapons with radioactive and heavy metal toxic contamination, America's own dirty bomb, any place In the world, when those radioactive materials will then contaminate air, water, soil with consequence of adverse health effects, as we know, will occur.
02:40:11.000We must remember that one of the findings published by the U.S.
02:40:14.000Army Environment Policy Institute in their 1995 report on depleted uranium was quoted.
02:40:19.000No available toxicology can significantly change the inherent chemical and radiological toxicity of DU.
02:40:26.000These are intrinsic properties of uranium.
02:40:29.000Hey, mercury's bad for you folks in high levels.
02:41:31.000Secondly, can we use like pH to dictate possibly a measure of, if you've got DU, it would be an inherent measure of, hey, I've got a problem here, it might be an indicator.
02:41:40.000Secondly, my other son went into the military and he was a Band-Aid, you know, there would be a medical, and when they came out of the military a year later, he tells me, oxygen is bad for you.
02:41:54.000Excuse my language, but, you know, it's just the other extreme of the case.
02:41:58.000And the last thing is, as far as the UN outlaws using dirty bombs or whatever else, Now, they've got a tool for ourselves to use that, hey, you didn't enforce law on that side, so now when you say we've got a mandate that we're going to be Euro or World Order or whatever, we don't have to mandate that rule because you didn't mandate the other rules.
02:43:02.000The FDA, Excuse me, the EPA put out the report and said they've got huge amounts of particulates in their lungs.
02:43:10.000Of this, they're very sick, they need a fund, and George Bush blocked the fund to give medical treatment to the firemen and police.
02:43:18.000Forget the civilians, as they call us.
02:43:21.000So again, there's another example just of how they'll have all these tributes to you, all this sappiness on TV, crying and loving you and telling you what heroes you are, but they really don't care about you.
02:43:32.000Well, Christine Whitman actually altered the reports and all the contaminants that were involved there and where everybody got sick.
02:43:38.000I was keynote speaker at an EPA conference with all the EPA headquarters in Cincinnati a year ago on all this stuff.
02:43:46.000It was right after that conference where all this stuff came out that Whitman got fired and stuff started coming out.
02:44:21.000Dr. Duggan, I wanted to ask, and I assume you're probably at least a little more ordinance expert than I am, which would be sufficient, but am I correct in my surmise that even if one believes in DU rounds, that they, say, in Bosnia and probably to a lesser extent even in, say, the Iraqi context, That probably less than something like 1-5% of the time would that round make a difference, not requiring a second round, etc.
02:44:48.000There's no very little reactive armor, etc.
02:44:51.000that would occasion the use of such a round.
02:45:20.000I mean, I've got video footage of U.S.
02:45:22.000Army officers with all the contamination around, not putting their troops in protective gear, not cleaning up, and just simply refusing to do anything with it, just leaving it there.
02:46:47.000You have to understand, this stuff is so effective that the warrior, when they go to war, or the guys that run the war, are going to use it.
02:46:54.000And the other thing, too, is we're getting rid of all of our radiological waste at Oak Ridge, in Tennessee, Portsmouth in Ohio, and Paducah, Kentucky.
02:47:02.000They can't dispose of it there, so what we'll do is dispose of it in another nation and walk away.
02:47:07.000I know we got a bunch of calls, but, uh, John, specifically for Dr. Rocky, who's up next?
02:47:14.000Okay, well, we got callers calling in, but they're calling in about other issues, about Bohemian Grove and other issues, so we're not going to take calls on that, folks.
02:47:21.000We're talking about depleting uranium here in just the last few minutes we've got with Dr. Rocky here at the end of the year.
02:47:27.000Dr. Rocky, I couldn't have thought of a more important broadcast to do at the end of the year, because if they'll do this, they'll do anything.
02:47:34.000I mean, what else are they doing that is killing our own people?
02:47:38.000I mean, what does this say about, in closing, the mindset of these people?
02:47:42.000Well, let's consider Project Shad is still an ongoing thing throughout the United States, where they've deliberately exposed chemical and biological munitions to our own troops, as they've done for years and years and years.
02:47:51.000I've had to clean that up, I've had to provide medical care for the casualties, and that continues on.
02:47:56.000The thing is, again, as we end this year, the United States has gone to war again.
02:48:02.000They have sent our sons and daughters into war with defective equipment, with inadequate training, into a contaminated area where we refuse to provide, clean up the contamination that we caused.
02:48:15.000We're leaving that contamination there to affect the residents of those areas, and we've walked away and refused to provide medical care, and now we've got another American warrior, a son, a son and daughter of America, son of America, who's died in Kansas City area, abandoned by his nation, for which he gave his life for.
02:48:32.000Dr. Rocky, I'll see you in 2005, I want to get you back on about Project Shad.
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02:51:59.000Alright, you know, always the most important stuff gets said during breaks.
02:52:02.000Talking to Dr. Rocky, you know, he's having upper respiratory problems right now, bleeding rashes from the DU right now.
02:52:09.000A lot of his team has died that was there in 1991, or are very ill.
02:52:14.000Finishing up, Dr. Rockey, during the break, we were talking about folks that go, oh, I trust the government, they wouldn't do that to me, and you had a comment to that.
02:52:22.000They're going to do it to you, and what I need to urge right now, it's been all over the news and everybody, I need to have every mother and father, son and daughter, niece and nephew, grandparent, aunt and uncle, call their congressmen, their senators, the President of the United States, call the Secretary of Defense,
02:52:39.000And absolutely ensure, mandate, that our sons and daughters are not sent to war with defective equipment, inadequate training, and a total lack of medical care assessment before they go to war, when they're in war, and medical care when they come back.
02:52:55.000But you know the cover-ups gotta continue.
02:52:59.000Well, yeah, but the whole thing is we have to have everybody that yells and screams at no more.
02:53:03.000One of the things that I've been doing... Well, it's also a good reason not to join the military.
02:53:08.000Well, let me tell you, after 30 some years in the military as a retired and disabled combat veteran right now, I wouldn't advise anybody to join the military from what I've learned.
02:53:16.000But what we have to do now, we have to take care of our sons and daughters.
02:53:19.000Everybody must call and take action to demand and ensure they have adequate training, the equipment they need, they get the medical care before, they get the medical care during and after, and they're not put in there with defective equipment.
02:53:31.000And this nonsense where Rumsfeld said, well, you go to war with what you have is ridiculous.
02:53:36.000He has an obligation to ensure that our sons and daughters have the best equipment at all times.
02:53:41.000And when I hear words, and I get back a message, send me a Christmas care package.
02:53:50.000Did you know Halliburton charges them $100 for 10 pounds of laundry?
02:53:54.000Yeah, well, Halliburton has been ripping everybody off since I wrote the cleanup plan and gave it to Halliburton by directive of the Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, back in 92.
02:54:05.000Listen, Dr. Rocky, have a good New Year and I want to get you back on soon about Project Shad, where they openly nerve gas and bio our troops and kill them and test it on them.
02:54:13.000I want to get you back on about that and God bless you and thanks for your courage.
02:54:17.000Thank you and God bless and Happy New Year to everybody.
02:54:19.000And to that family, we've got to take care of that family, but then we have to make sure our government takes care of all of the families.
02:54:26.000And stops what they're doing to begin with.
02:54:30.000Folks, I mean again, So many people think they're members of the establishment, you defend it like a bunch of bees or something, and it doesn't care about you.
02:55:14.000In this new year, 2005 coming up, we're probably going to see globalist terror attacks, bring in national drafts and police state.
02:55:21.000We're going to see the implementation of the national ID cards and the driver's license.
02:55:24.000We're going to see the new Freedom Initiative as they try to push that.
02:55:27.000More psychological testing and drugging.
02:55:29.000We have got to wake everybody up and say no.
02:55:32.000We've got to support those that tell the truth.
02:55:34.000We've all got to become info warriors and stand up against this new world order.
02:55:39.000The interview you heard with Dr. Rockey will re-air tonight, 9 to midnight central and several times over the weekend.
02:55:45.000Please tell your friends and family to tune in if they're in the military so they have a chance to hear the reality of what they're facing from the guy that literally wrote the book back in 1991 for the Pentagon on DU, Dr.