Big Brother, Mainstream Media, Government Cover-ups. You want answers? Well, so does he. He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network and now, live from Austin, Texas, your host Alex Jones will be live for the next three hours. Coming up in about 30 minutes, we'll be talking to Elaine Castle, who practices law in Virginia and the District of Columbia, teaches law and psychology, and follows the Bush regime's dismantling of the Constitution and civil liberties. She is author of The War on Civil Liberties: How Bush and Ashcroft Have Dismantled the Bill of Rights. She's an expert on Michael Chertoff, who is going to be our new Homeland Security Leader. And then, of course, in the second hour, Pat Shannon will be joining us to discuss new developments regarding new details about the BATF.
00:00:42.000We'll be live for the next three hours.
00:00:46.000Coming up in about 30 minutes, we'll be talking to Elaine Castle, practices law in Virginia and the District of Columbia, teaches law and psychology, and follows the Bush regime's dismantling of the Constitution and civil liberties.
00:01:04.000She is author of The War on Civil Liberties, How Bush and Ashcroft Have Dismantled the Bill of Rights.
00:01:11.000She's an expert on Mr. Chertoff, who's going to be our new Homeland Security Leader.
00:01:18.000And then, of course, in the second hour, Pat Shannon.
00:01:23.000Concerning new developments, I mean, we already knew that the BATF practiced blowing up a whole bunch of rider trucks out in the desert in the weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing as part of a National Security Council secret program.
00:01:58.000Calling in that it was an ANFO or fertilizer bomb within 10 minutes to BATF headquarters in Dallas.
00:02:07.000We also had one of the chief FBI agents who told mainstream media that he was in Dallas and drove to Oklahoma City.
00:02:14.000Turns out we have his receipts from the hotel.
00:02:18.000He was there, of course, the night before.
00:02:24.000It goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on.
00:02:30.000And then in the third hour, Daniel Hopseeker, and just an amazing individual, making documentary films for many years, has a great website, Mad Cow Production, madcowprod.com.
00:02:45.000He was good enough to allow us to post his Muhammad Atta and the Venice Flying Circus His film getting into the hijackers and government involvement and how they were trained at US military bases and trained at private facilities.
00:03:21.000The first thing I want to talk about, though, is I was in the shower this morning, and I've got one of those little radios you can listen to the radio in the shower with, and I'm in there listening to the radio, local AM radio, and they're announcing how wonderful it is that all over the city of Austin there are federally funded checkpoints.
00:03:46.000Where they stop your cars and search everyone and the police officer who co-hosts the program was saying how this is how we stop crime and stop drunks and why while we're checking your license and registration and insurance we might find other illegal things.
00:04:06.000And so as I'm in the shower for 20 minutes I listen to it.
00:04:08.000As I'm brushing my teeth and combing my hair another 15 minutes I'm listening to it.
00:04:12.000As I'm getting dressed I'm listening to it.
00:04:14.000And then drinking coffee on listening to it, on the computer on listening to it.
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00:08:18.000The Pentagon helped design it for the United States.
00:08:24.000It's going in around the world in countries that have been captured by the globalists.
00:08:29.000It consists of cameras on every major road, every major side street where you cannot travel more than a mile anywhere in the country This is their plan without being tracked by a camera.
00:08:46.000The cameras are hooked into software that instantly scans and reads your license plate and then runs it through a database.
00:08:56.000And then of course this has the dual use of taxing you by the mile between camera points.
00:09:04.000That's how they're already taxing in Germany, France, England, and at least two states In the United States.
00:09:13.000And now the LA Times comes out yesterday, and the LAPD squad cars are going to have these scan cameras on them, where the police don't have to aim the cameras, the cameras are constantly reading all license plates.
00:09:27.000It's an AI, artificial intelligence, where it hones in on the shape of a car, zooms in on the back or the front, instantly scanning millisecond by millisecond, then changing the camera's views.
00:09:39.000It can scan all the cars, one police car can, going down the highway.
00:09:43.000A cop car can just sit there and scan every license plate.
00:09:49.000But again, these same systems, the same software is in all the big cameras that you see up on the highways and street corners and now in our neighborhoods.
00:09:57.000And I've been telling you this for years.
00:09:59.000I saw the federal plans on this about eight years ago.
00:10:04.000I would read federal documents on air.
00:10:06.000I would get emails from people going, you're an insane conspiracy theorist.
00:10:13.000I talked about how the feds were pressuring the states to start Taxing by the camera scanning the license plates, or by small transponders the size of a matchbox that will tax and trace you.
00:10:31.000Some states like California, Oregon, New York, Indiana, Wisconsin, Florida, and Texas are now looking
00:10:40.000And New Jersey, forgot that one, are now looking, in fact Oregon's trying to pass a law, so is California right now, they have a law introduced in New York as well, trying to pass a law to make you, when you go to get your tags, just like they do the emissions test, your car goes in the line for a few hours and they put a satellite box, satellite tracker box, on your dash that tracks and traces everything you do.
00:11:08.000Now, they can do this with the cameras, they can tax and trace with the cameras, or the transponders.
00:11:14.000But they want to go even further with the satellite boxes.
00:11:17.000Which, by the way, hook into the ignition, and can kill your car.
00:11:23.000And lo and behold, I heard all of this being discussed on the radio this morning here in Austin.
00:11:29.000On the biggest local morning talk show, AM talk show.
00:11:35.000And they've got a police officer who is one of the co-hosts, who I've grown up listening to.
00:11:43.000And there's admissions of the cops are putting systems in cars, soon all the cars will have it, where they can remote control kill your car.
00:11:50.000Yes, there's checkpoints being set up all across Austin in the mornings, where they search your vehicles and stop the cars and why we're looking for seatbelts and driver's licenses and Insurance and why we find other criminal stuff while we search you!
00:12:08.000And he went on and on and on and on how great it was!
00:12:13.000And so I listened to it for a good, I don't know, hour and a half.
00:12:32.000Why don't you move back to your Third World Thug Nation.
00:12:38.000And the other two hosts on the show, they were against it as well, but they were kind of in the middle, you could say, but leaning towards being against it.
00:12:49.000And the police officer kept dropping back with, well, we just gotta stop drunks, but wait a minute, you admitted it was to search for driver's license and registration and insurance and look for other illegal things.
00:13:05.000I put it in Police State 2000, one of the first big federally funded ones, where they shut down, I mean shut down I-35 for at least 8-9 months.
00:13:16.000I mean it took us an hour to get up Two miles, because our exit was up towards the middle of the checkpoint, or up towards the last third of the checkpoint.
00:13:28.000But we got on I-35 at William Cannon, and just to get down to Slaughter took an hour.
00:13:34.000Slaughter Lane, where they were slaughtering the Bill of Rights.
00:13:41.000And many of you have seen that video locally in Austin on my TV show where you whip through the checkpoints yourself.
00:13:46.000And I just got out of the car and took my camera up and started saying, You're violating the Fourth Amendment!
00:14:48.000Don't tell me to leave, love it or leave it.
00:14:52.000America is about standing up for what you believe in in the Bill of Rights and Constitution.
00:14:59.000But I want people to get it through their heads out there that are for this.
00:15:04.000Every one of these cameras on the streets, on the neighborhoods, on the side roads, they're all having face scanning software hooked into them.
00:15:13.000That is, the places that the cameras feed back to, the federally funded emergency management systems and emergency management centers.
00:15:22.000It's all being fed into face scans, face scanning software, face scanning servers.
00:15:28.000It's all being fed through these license plate scanners.
00:16:38.000When they pull you over and think you have a warrant, that's not when they use this.
00:16:43.000Everyone who is stopped, everyone who is ticketed, is fingerprinted.
00:16:51.000So now you don't get arrested for going five miles over the speed limit.
00:16:55.000You get your ticket and they thumb scan you.
00:16:59.000And when you go to Disney World, they thumb scan you.
00:17:03.000And when you go to, like I tried to do a year ago, this is on the website, just type in SeaWorld, InfoWars.com, and a search engine will pop up.
00:17:14.000Try to go to SeaWorld, they hand scan you.
00:17:18.000Everything you do, everything you buy, everywhere you go.
00:17:22.000Let me break this down again for people.
00:18:07.000And he showed me, he said, when I scan your license, it goes to the Texas Department of Public Safety, it checks the database if you have warrants, or, now listen to this, or if your license has expired.
00:18:24.000And he said, we've been told soon, Very soon, we're going to be scanning driver's license for any purchase.
00:18:54.000I'm not going to say where it's at or which time in Shamrock.
00:18:57.000There's probably 50 of them in Austin, so he's not in great danger.
00:19:01.000But I'm going to try to talk to him later, see if I can get behind the counter with a video camera and show this.
00:19:07.000We had a TxDOT employee show us, got video of internal computers showing how your driver's license number is already called your national ID, by the way.
00:19:17.000This was four months ago before they passed it in Congress.
00:19:23.000With their internal computers, they tell you, give us your driver's license number, but really it's called National ID on their computer interface.
00:19:33.000So, worse than 1984, has nothing to do with terrorism, and people better get this through their heads.
00:19:43.000And I talked years ago about how in the future you go into a store, you're not a good globalist, You won't be able to buy without the card, and they're gonna hit a button and call the police.
00:19:55.000I'm telling you, we're going to see it happen unless we stop it.
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00:24:14.000Madonna, never thought I'd be talking about Madonna, is running around saying that Jewish mysticism, the Kabbalah, can heal entire countries, is just incredibly powerful.
00:24:30.000That's part of the occult uh... activities uh... that the jews picked up when they were in captivity in babylon and uh... well that's madonna out promoting that meanwhile police begin fingerprinting on traffic stops this out of W-B-A-Y-T-V if you're ticketed by green bay police you'll get more than a fine you'll get fingerprinted too it's a new way police are cracking down on crime if you're caught speeding or
00:24:57.000Playing your music too loud or other crimes for which you might receive a citation, Green Bay police officers will ask you for your driver's license and your finger.
00:25:05.000It will be fingerprinted right there on the spot.
00:25:07.000The fingerprint appears right next to the amount of the fine.
00:25:11.000Police say it's meant to protect you in case the person they're citing isn't you.
00:25:15.000Who they claim to be, but not everyone is sold on the explanation.
00:25:18.000And again, it integrates in with the thumb scan, the finger scan you do when you get a driver's license.
00:25:22.000What we've seen happening in the last couple of years, increasing use of false fraudulent identification documents, Captain Greg Urban said.
00:25:29.000Folks, it was the governor of Wisconsin a few years ago, this is in my film Matrix of Evil, one of the small blurbs in the film, we have the news articles, Every cell phone tracks you and can listen to you with audio, even when it's off.
00:25:45.000And he admitted this and said they're going to pay in the emergency management systems for the new tax that every phone is tracked and is a dot on a screen.
00:25:54.000They just punch in your name and know where you're at and can listen to you.
00:27:09.000So record monthly trade deficit of $60.3 billion.
00:27:16.000Continuing, the FBI probes more laser shots at airplanes.
00:27:23.000But to our knowledge, there was no danger to the aircraft, said Kathy Byrie, spokeswoman for the FBI in Los Angeles.
00:27:29.000Regardless of that, anyone who they believe may have pointed a toy laser at anything, any government vehicle, will be charged as a terrorist.
00:27:40.000And they have now charged the individual up in New York who aimed one of the lasers with his daughter.
00:27:47.000Remember the Navy SEAL photos that came out a few weeks ago of them beating people?
00:27:51.000I found some more of these photos and it shows the guy before and after.
00:27:56.000With cuts on him and blood all over him, I mean, it's pretty gruesome.
00:28:01.000Now the AP's reporting a former Navy SEAL says he saw fellow SEALs and CIA officials kick, choke, and eye gouge detainees at a US military base in Iraq.
00:28:10.000Of course, they torture them at all the bases.
00:28:12.000The former SEAL testified at a military hearing Monday that he saw interrogation by means of abuse, oh, it's not torture, take place at Camp Jini-Hazi, the SEAL base in Baghdad International Airport.
00:28:25.000He said a prisoner under the interrogation of the CIA was abused in October of 2003 by two other SEALs.
00:28:31.000One other occasion, a month later, the witness said he watched a SEAL punch, choke, and poke their fingers in the eyes of an Iraqi, Mandel Al-Jamadi, who was also punched by a CIA official when he didn't answer questions.
00:28:46.000And see, the problem with this is, what happens when our troops get tortured?
00:28:49.000Well, we'll engage in double-thinking and go, well, that's bad!
00:28:53.000It's very evil to torture, but it's good when we do.
00:28:57.000AWOL Soldier Cites Army Inadequacies, this is out of AP, and talking about how, literally, in whole platoons, half their guns might work.
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00:33:33.000The BATF testing blowing up rider trucks full of ammonium nitrate in the months and weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing.
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00:37:30.000We're going to be talking about Mr. Chertoff.
00:37:32.000We'll also be talking about Mr. Chertoff in the third hour and some of his organized crime connections that Daniel Hopsinger has been exposing.
00:37:41.000But right now we're talking to Elaine Castle.
00:37:44.000She practices law in Virginia and the District of Columbia, teaches law and psychology, and follows the Bush regime's dismantling of the Constitution and civil liberties.
00:37:53.000And she is the author of The War on Civil Liberties, How Bush and Ashcroft Have Dismantled the Bill of Rights.
00:37:58.000She'll be with us for the next Twenty-two minutes, roughly.
00:38:02.000And Elaine, it's good to have you on with us.
00:38:13.000And now we see more and more people across the political spectrum waking up to what's happening and how this attack on our freedoms has nothing to do with terrorism.
00:38:22.000Tell us about your book and what we're facing.
00:38:24.000Well, I guess my book was about, and actually I have to say that at the current rate my book is starting to look like a bedtime story because it seems rather benign what I was writing about then compared to what's been happening in the past couple of months, but particularly in the past week with Gonzalez and now Chertoff.
00:38:41.000But the way I look at the declared war on terrorism is that it was a great power grab, a move that now we see had some of Gonzales' fingerprints on it right from the start.
00:38:54.000In fact, it was his push that kind of led Ashcroft and Viet Den to start I'm fashioning the Patriot Act, but I think it was a great power grab, a great opportunity to... Yeah, tell folks what he's been saying in these memos.
00:39:25.000Commander in Chief override, meaning if there is a law, and he was even questioned on this, if there is a law that the President, quote, thinks is unconstitutional and doesn't wish to abide by it, then he would go ahead and violate it and wait for the courts to slap him down.
00:39:39.000Now that was what the Attorney General said.
00:39:52.000And even when the courts have made decisions contrary to some of their positions... Six months ago, multiple federal courts said you can't grab citizens as enemy combatants and strip them of rights.
00:40:04.000And the Justice Department said we don't care.
00:40:06.000That's correct, and in fact there are still very few prisoners in Guantanamo who have been able to see the attorneys that the Supreme Court said they could have, and the government is fighting those attorneys in federal court in the District of Columbia at this very time.
00:40:18.000And then two weeks ago they declared this new thing that we're not even going to have trials, the CIA and State Department are going to hold people for life.
00:40:26.000Absolutely, and Gonzales, let me tell you, as I said to someone yesterday, if you think about the fact that the CIA and Rumsfeld and company are going to be arresting people outside our borders, right?
00:40:39.000And putting them in prisons that we're going to build in countries like bases, then Chertoff is the man to arrest us within our borders.
00:40:47.000And so he's going to be the one that is going to be overseeing the sweeps, you know, of Americans, as he did after September 11th.
00:41:00.000Between the two of them, I think that Bush has got it sewed up.
00:41:03.000Between Gonzalez and Chertoff, I think you've got to hand it to Bush, Rove, whoever brought these men on, because there's not going to be any room for us to even squirm.
00:41:11.000Chertoff has said, I mean, he does not support the Bill of Rights and Constitution.
00:41:16.000Well, he says he has some interest, he said, in preserving civil liberties, but that's just bull, that's just talk.
00:41:24.000After the Inspector General of the Justice Department issued his scathing report on the Department of Justice treatment of citizens and legal aliens after September 11th, he turned off and Ashcroft appeared before the Congress and said, you know what?
00:41:40.000So, no, he's going to do whatever he wants to.
00:41:43.000The Congress doesn't give a flip, okay?
00:41:46.000He's going to get a quick pass, as Gonzalez did.
00:41:48.000And the courts, if the courts ever slap down anything Chertoff does, and here's something important to remember, you know, as the head of Homeland Security, as all those agencies, probably most of what Chertoff is able to accomplish legislatively will be through executive orders.
00:42:04.000In other words, he can just sign off and it doesn't need to go through legislation.
00:42:08.000And those are the types of things... Well, that's what they did.
00:42:10.000Bush did an executive order on this thing of Well, our own tribunals aren't working because their own military officers are quitting in droves.
00:42:17.000So he says, okay, I'll just sign an executive order saying we can just arrest whoever we want.
00:42:23.000Sure, he signed an executive order creating the status of enemy combatants.
00:42:27.000He signed an executive order saying go pick up Jose Padilla and hold him.
00:42:31.000And so those are the things that people never know about.
00:42:33.000You don't know about the executive orders that may suddenly say that you can't get on the subway, you know, with an umbrella or something.
00:42:42.000I'm sure you're aware that veterans that call and complain too much, Homeland Security comes and arrests them and says, well, you didn't threaten anybody, but complaining too much could be terrorism.
00:42:53.000Or a woman selling knockoff Rubik's Cubes gets a Homeland Security visit.
00:42:58.000Or a county commissioner getting a $4,000 payoff for more parking spaces gets arrested under it.
00:43:03.000Or a guy pointing a toy laser with his daughter.
00:43:27.000Well, I mean, in Section 802 of the First Patriot Act, they say any action that endangers human life is a violation of any federal or state law.
00:43:33.000And another definition is trying to influence a politician.
00:43:37.000In fact, and not only that, but in addition to the actual black letter law, you're citing the statute.
00:43:44.000Terrorism is defined differently in many, many regulations.
00:43:47.000And it is defined most broadly, for instance, in immigration statutes and regulations.
00:43:52.000And so, there are hundreds of different definitions of terrorism, depending upon which law and which statute you look under.
00:44:00.000Of course, now states are enacting their own anti-terrorism laws, and they're getting money from the federal government to arrest people for federal terrorism crimes that may mimic state laws.
00:44:13.000Um, so I mean you, you, they're bringing the, um, your state law enforcement agencies on board by giving funding to the state.
00:44:19.000And for our conservative listeners, for our conservative listeners...
00:44:24.000Some of the states are passing Second Amendment violating laws and connecting it to terrorism and then federal charges and then they're also doing all sorts of First Amendment violations.
00:44:45.000I think it's too late and it's done and I think that if you look at, you know, what's going to happen next week in the inauguration, I think you'll never have seen more of a police state Looking like a police state, then you'll see next week.
00:44:57.000They're going to take 400 TSA workers and have them out searching people on the street corners.
00:45:18.000So you better read it and figure out how you're going to stand as you're waiting for your subway.
00:45:23.000They're going to be, what, thousands of law enforcement, the airplanes are already flying, the boats have been banned from the Potomac, so don't get out there in your canoe or they're already warning you that you will be arrested by the Coast Guard.
00:45:35.000Think about Chertoff having in his command 180,000 federal employees, as well as the Coast Guard.
00:45:41.000And that ought to give you some pause.
00:45:43.000I mean, everything that you do virtually has come within some aspect of the Department of Homeland Security.
00:45:56.000Under, and then a hundred sub ones under that, a hundred plus.
00:46:00.000But, in my film, Police State 3, I have Ashcroft saying, this doesn't affect citizens, phantoms have lost liberty, but if you say it affects citizens, you're aiding terrorists, you will lose your liberty.
00:46:11.000Now that's a quote, we've played that, so if you talk about us taking your freedom, you're aiding terrorists, you will lose your liberty.
00:46:19.000And then, now, it's getting crazier and crazier!
00:46:23.000In fact, as I said to someone too yesterday, where is Jonathan Swift now that we need him?
00:46:28.000I mean, you can't even write about this administration now, except writing the most, you know, the most absurd...
00:46:34.000a satire because it's absolutely absurd who would know that you would have the architect of torture as the Attorney General of the United States the rest of the world is appalled I'm on I'm on international talk shows and people go after the Gonzales hearings where is your Congress what are they thinking let's be a man who sweeps people off the street as the head of security if that doesn't make you worry right it doesn't make you maybe come here gonna talk about his mob connections Maybe they're building dumpsters up there in New Jersey right now to put us in.
00:47:04.000Maybe they're building the boxcars to carry us away in.
00:47:07.000Well, again, folks, we're not joking around.
00:47:14.000Well, I'm an attorney, and I practice in Northern Virginia in the District of Columbia, and I got interested in following these stories.
00:47:22.000Merely out of personal interest, because I practice in the federal court in Alexandria, where this started.
00:47:27.000I mean, you know, I'm chaired off with and involved in the Massawi case early on.
00:47:32.000And I saw the law changing rapidly right in front of my eyes, saw the Congress asleep, see the prosecutors acting like idiots with no discretion, you know, wanting to put people, you know, call them on capital offenses for taking a picture of a bridge.
00:47:55.000And my book is about specific cases and specific issues.
00:48:00.000Isn't this really a revolution they're engaging in?
00:48:03.000They are overturning the basic canons of what America is.
00:48:06.000Let's specifically talk about Chertoff, but first let's talk about Gonzalez.
00:48:10.000He didn't just say the president is king and above the law and we can torture, and then those memos were used for the brutal torture, including the torture of children in front of parents, folks.
00:49:00.000And an attorney, no matter who his client is, is bound to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the United States.
00:49:07.000And for an attorney to go to the lengths at which he has gone to validate to his client, the President, that things that the international law and U.S.
00:49:20.000law finds more than objectionable but grossly illegal, to my mind, Gonzalez ought to be disciplined as an attorney.
00:49:31.000The very fact that you have an attorney sitting in as counsel to the president, twisting the law in a way to ensure the president that he could torture people as long as you fall short of, quote, organ failure.
00:49:46.000And then, if there's organ failure or death, if you didn't mean to kill the person, right, if you just mean to, what, crush them until they're That's like saying if Joseph Mingala only meant to dissect the children but didn't mean to kill them, Joseph Mingala's not bad.
00:50:18.000Well, yeah, and I think that the other thing that was interesting about Gonzales is that he, in order to be consistent, you see, because he's a clever attorney, he would not even say that if a foreign power tortured American troops that that would be torture.
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00:54:31.000We've got about three or four minutes left, Elaine.
00:54:34.000Any other key points you want to bring up to the listeners?
00:54:37.000Well, I think just about Chertoff is that he, between the combination of him and Gonzales, I think that they can do anything within or without the law to accomplish the objectives of George Bush.
00:54:49.000I think both of them are brilliant attorneys, and you saw how well Gonzales could twist the law.
00:54:54.000And Chertoff, who has a, as he said, a spit-on-the-sidewalk approach to justice.
00:54:59.000In other words, you look funny and we're going to sweep you up.
00:55:02.000He is the architect of the concept of preventive arrest.
00:55:06.000Which was used not only right after September 11th, but it's still being employed.
00:55:11.000We see you taking a picture of a bridge.
00:55:16.000And by the way, they're just setting a precedent with all this.
00:55:19.000Chertoff's real federal funding to local police departments is to, I want to warn people, is to go after conservatives, liberal activists, gun owners, homeschoolers.
00:55:32.000And I mean by them, I mean in a position of power.
00:55:35.000So I don't care where you stand ideologically.
00:55:38.000You are at risk if you're one of the people.
00:55:41.000I mean, these people want unbridled imperial power.
00:55:44.000If you just pay attention to the inauguration next week, I don't know when you... there's never been anything like this coming in the United States.
00:55:53.000There's never been an inauguration where the people have been kept out.
00:55:58.000You know, as we're sitting here on the eve of Martin Luther King's birthday, there couldn't have been any demonstrations for civil rights under the Bush administration.
00:56:06.000I mean, when you just think about that.
00:56:08.000Well, we have people being convicted of felonies for standing in a group of 500 Bush supporters on a public sidewalk with a sign saying, no blood for oil.
00:56:51.000I mean, no, and all of those, listen, it's important to remember that all of the trials that I write about in my book were started under Chertoff.
00:56:59.000Turnoff became a judge in 2003, but between 2001 and 2003, he instituted and instigated these, you know, so-called, you know, bringing terrorists to justice, and virtually none of them have resulted in a conviction.
00:57:12.000Why do you think they tried to have Carrick first?
00:57:16.000Well, I think they probably would have preferred Carrick, because, to my mind, I guess, Carrick was such a, people said Bush liked him because he was such a macho type, you know, and even his Even his shady personal life seemed to be something that Bush thought was kind of cool, because it was kind of in your face.
00:57:35.000And we know George Bush doesn't care about appearances or propriety or anything.
00:57:39.000So I think that they probably really did want Carrick.
00:57:42.000Certainly with Chertoff, I think it was a brilliant move.
00:57:47.000Well, I've known for years that Chertoff really runs things.
01:00:13.000Police command centers that track and trace all your cell phones in real time and can listen to your audio, even when your phone's off, using them as bugs.
01:00:22.000This is all mainstream news, all in your face, but the borders are wide open.
01:00:39.000Well, remember in, I don't know if you remember, in December of last year, 2004, just a month ago, he was addressing a group of women and children, and he made a very nasty comment.
01:01:00.000Add another to the list of offhand remarks from Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
01:01:05.000This one made at the opening of the California Governor's Conference on Women and Children, when several nurses protested the Governor's health care policies.
01:01:14.000The nurses were promptly escorted out of the Schwarzenegger event.
01:01:18.000And what Schwarzenegger did next has sparked outrage.
01:01:24.000Pay no attention to those voices over there, by the way.
01:01:45.000Now, yeah, maybe I'm dense, but what was the last thing you said?
01:01:49.000He said, he goes, something about, I don't like the special interest, because I'm always kicking their butt.
01:01:55.000What it was, was a group of women protesters that were protesting against his health care policies for the state of California, and then they escorted him out of there, and he was real egotistical and arrogant.
01:02:06.000I already have this, I already copied it for you, if you want me to send it to you.
01:02:09.000Yeah, well, I mean, Schwarzenegger just ten years ago used to blow up and start screaming and cussing at press conferences.
01:02:18.000Right, well, I mean, they're saying that he was, there was something else on this clip, I don't want to play it, but it's just saying that basically the women group was not real happy with him.
01:02:26.000He's definitely not a lover of peace and civil rights, that's for sure.
01:02:32.000Well, I wonder why they had him kicked out of the meeting.
01:02:44.000You'll have to see the clip because I don't want to explain it on there, but it was on Lou Dobbs' business report.
01:02:50.000And also, one other thing I wanted to tell you, that clip that I'm going to be sending you from Meet the Press, there was nothing mentioned about Arnold Schwarzenegger being president.
01:02:58.000Maybe that was from some other news Yeah, that was the caller saying that.
01:03:02.000Yeah, I don't think it was on that one, but they mentioned Jack Kemp, not Jack Kemp, but Newt Gingrich running for president, possibly.
01:03:10.000Yeah, so anyways, it's a very good clip, but they do talk about the Armstrong-Williams thing in detail, and you appreciate that, but I just want to say keep up the good work, Alex.
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01:07:47.000We had a guest on the last hour talking about the nightmare developments of Chertoff and Gonzales saying Bush is above the law and discussing how they can torture people right up until death and that even if they die, it's not torture.
01:08:07.000We just got a lot of guests coming on today.
01:08:09.000OKC bombshell implicates feds in Murrah Blast.
01:08:15.000Now, again, They even had a little Discovery Channel piece many years ago where they mentioned that the BATF had done tests blowing up Ryder trucks, but didn't say that it was right before the April 19, 1995 bombing, or that the guy that ran the program was there on the ground in Oklahoma City.
01:08:33.000Or that he's the guy that called the media and said it's AMFO within ten minutes of the blast taking place.
01:08:38.000And I've interviewed police officers that investigated it.
01:08:44.000But now more documents, more revelations have come out on this.
01:08:49.000Also, one of the chief FBI officers over the terrorism team had claimed he was in Dallas and drove, because of bad weather, didn't fly, to Oklahoma City minutes after he heard of the bombing.
01:09:00.000Well, it came out a few years ago, and this isn't Road to Tyranny.
01:09:09.000And he lied to Newsweek and others saying he drove to Oklahoma.
01:09:14.000And we have copies of the receipt at the hotel.
01:09:16.000So we got all these guys, they're on the ground, and we have the police on video and wrote a tyranny saying, Two minutes after the blast, the BATF was in full bomb gear.
01:09:37.000And then the feds have all these surveillance camera tapes.
01:09:40.000And don't try to use them in the trial against Nichols and McVeigh.
01:09:45.000Even though police that have seen those tapes say it shows other bombers.
01:09:49.000So, the Feds were told this was a drill.
01:09:51.000They always cover up... When Putin's FSB in 1999 got caught planting bombs in a fourth building, they'd already blown up three apartment buildings.
01:10:43.000After nearly a decade, shocking suppressed evidence emerges only moments after an enormous blast blew away most of the facade and a full quarter of the eastern end of the Albuquerque Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 95, the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, BATF, began to release evidence implicating two men and two men only who they claimed were solely responsible.
01:11:06.000The evidence later showed that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols had confessed to the impossible.
01:11:11.000At first several independent Investigators came forward to complain that there was an obvious cover-up.
01:11:17.000Now they call it an ongoing cover-up of a cover-up.
01:11:19.000And now even the new OKC Museum contradicts the official theory of what happened on April 19th.
01:11:26.000Officials in charge at the time still refuse to discuss anything other than the manufactured spin.
01:11:31.000McVeigh and Nichols As convicted by the courts, mixed up a large batch of ammonium nitrate fuel, or AMFO, a mild explosive used by farmers to blow up stumps and demolish several square blocks of downtown Oklahoma City with a devastating blast that could be heard miles away.
01:11:48.000In reality, the AMFO story was born ten minutes after the blast when a high-ranking BATF official by the name of Harry Everhart witnessed the blast from nearby and called the BATF office in Dallas to Excitedly announced, someone has just blown up the federal building in Oklahoma City with a truckload of info.
01:12:07.000Some reporters and investigators who have looked objectively at the bombing Now argue that neither Eberhardt or anyone else could have correctly deduced in such a short time exactly what caused the explosion.
01:12:20.000According to government documents released later, Eberhardt was experienced in loading large amounts of ammonium nitrate fertilizer in a vehicle for use as a terrorist truck bomb and his presence in the midst of the second worst terrorist attack in US history looms suspicious to this day.
01:12:36.000And giving us the details of that, how months and months prior to this, they were doing drills of blowing up trucks out in the desert.
01:13:13.000Well, you know, it's very, very suspicious this guy Everhart, as you just mentioned, would be on the scene.
01:13:18.000You see, he had gone to Congress, our ATF had, uh... the year before and had acquired uh... a million bucks or so to uh... go to this and for testing out of fear in quotes we put that of uh... awesome ammonium nitrate fuel of terrorist attacks in america yet research shows i had not been one since nineteen seventy and that was that matters was constantly uh... the anti-war protest uh... explosion so you had none
01:13:46.000and uh... university which has been linked back to uh... dick nexon I would just add that caveat.
01:13:53.000I should add, parenthetically, that contrary to the news reports, the first World Trade Center bombing in February 1993 was composed of urea nitrate and was not anvil, according to the FBI.
01:14:05.000And the FBI paid Amad Salam to cook the bomb and gave him the detonators and let it go forward.
01:14:09.000Under the pretense that it would be talcum powder or something else that it wouldn't explode.
01:14:14.000Please continue, though, with the current bombing we're discussing.
01:14:17.000Well, as you mentioned, this is really not hot news, but it has been very suppressed news.
01:14:22.000We released this at Media Bypass back in about 1997.
01:14:26.000But just as the tapes from across the street were confiscated by the FBI, when we go into investigating this thing deeply, everything points back to some agency of the government.
01:14:39.000The FBI was so active in the cover-up, they didn't want to know anything else except what pertained.
01:14:46.000Well, back to Harry Everhart, he's the chief in charge of this ATF operation, and indeed they do go to New Mexico in late 94 and early 95.
01:14:59.000They were blowing up cars out there in the New Mexico desert and testing ammonium nitrate fuel oil.
01:15:05.000Now, you know, what are the odds of the same man who had gone to Washington to get the funding for these experiments should be standing on the street in Oklahoma City at the moment that, at that time, the largest so-called terrorist attack in America takes place?
01:15:21.000And what are the odds that the former head of the FBI hostage rescue team and one of the high-level officers would be there the night before and would light a news week and say that he got there the day of the event that he drove there?
01:15:34.000Well, that's right, and as you mentioned, the motel receipts hung him.
01:15:44.000Cash a couple of years ago, and he had the details on that, but I remember it well, in that the motel computer had the guy, what's his name?
01:16:08.000And here are the motel receipts and the computer showed that he was plainly there on the morning of the 19th, checking in after midnight on the 18th and was there all day.
01:16:19.000So they can lie all they want, but some things, like photographs and computers, they can't get past.
01:16:26.000Now, again, what are the chances though of This gentleman, Harry Everhart, who ran this operation of testing these fuel oil bombs and vehicles, and who's going to Congress to get money, now he just so happens to be there.
01:16:42.000He's the guy that calls in the official story.
01:16:46.000And of course, he made it official because we later proved, and on our Dr. Vicker video documentary, we showed that it was impossible that ammonium nitrate fuel oil even went off there.
01:16:57.000And there are two blatant reasons, physically.
01:17:01.000One is that there are flames that always accompany an anvil explosion.
01:17:05.000And there were none inside the Murrah Building.
01:17:07.000If you look at the videos today, you'll see that the only flames and smoke are coming from the cars in the parking lot across the street of the General Record Building.
01:17:16.000And also, nitrate gas is always in the area, and without a gas mask, it's not safe to go in the area for up to an hour.
01:17:24.000And this is Project Dipole Might, where they practice blowing up cars, van trucks, and a classified U.S.
01:17:32.000program, and now new files and documents obtained by the Department of the Treasury through the Freedom of Information Act request the U.S.
01:17:38.000government initiated a comprehensive ANFO and C4 bomb testing program I mean, this is ridiculous.
01:17:46.000We've got these high-level officers from FBI and BATF.
01:17:49.000They're on the ground, but they don't want us to see the videotapes.
01:17:52.000And we have police saying that the BATF was there two minutes after the bomb, saying, oh, we were told not to come into work today.
01:18:00.000The whole thing has been a giant cover-up from three minutes after nine, that morning.
01:18:06.000Even up to the point where they get these two clowns from Buffalo to write this book allegedly quoted to them by Tim McVeigh and in it they have McVeigh confessing to the impossible such as some of the things we just talked about.
01:18:24.000Those two reporters, one was named Herbeck, I don't even like to quote the name of their book on the air anymore because it's just such a fraud.
01:18:33.000I think it was fed to them by probably CIA or NSA or someone else out of Washington, D.C.
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01:22:42.000The headline of the individual was Danny Colson, high-level FBI chief.
01:22:55.000The headline and the individual was Danny Colson, high-level FBI chief, headline, early arrival in Oklahoma.
01:23:06.000Now, again, he told Newsweek and Time and everybody why he heard news of the bombing and there was bad weather in Dallas, so he couldn't catch a plane that was like an hour flight.
01:23:16.000Even though they went and checked the records and it showed that the flights were all flying, everything was fine, there was no wait.
01:23:22.000He didn't buy the $55, $60 ticket for the less than an hour flight to Oklahoma City from DFW or Love Field.
01:23:31.000He told Newsweek and Time, I drove and got there that afternoon.
01:23:36.000I drove at speeds of 90 miles an hour.
01:23:39.000Oh, turns out you checked into the hotel with your signature and everything.
01:23:43.000Nine hours before the bombing, at least.
01:23:46.000And, uh, it's admitted, though, from the government's own documents, records indicate that this ANFO explosives expert and his associates had destroyed at least eight vehicles in test bombing experiments at a secret range in the New Mexico desert twelve months prior to the OKC bombing, and that individual was Harry Everhart, and, uh, he'd been with some of the, uh, high-level White House, uh, organizations dealing with anti-terrorism.
01:24:12.000Uh, the National Response Team, NRT, Assigned to the National Security Council staff.
01:24:19.000Funny, it was National Security staff that did the drill on 9-11 of flying hijacked jets into buildings.
01:24:28.000I had read that, and we find it, you know, quite perplexing that they would want to fund this ten years ago.
01:24:34.000Well, the National Security Council staff, man, they're just... They just are always running the exact same drill at the exact same place as it happens!
01:24:54.000Well, I was speaking about the two authors of the book about McVeigh.
01:25:00.000The information in there, we are convinced did not come from McVeigh, or very little of it would have, and they just had him confessing to everything that the government would want him to say.
01:25:10.000So take the full load before they so-called executed him.
01:25:53.000Well, anyhow, I maintain that these guys hardly ever, if ever, talked to McVeigh.
01:26:01.000They were fed this information from out of Washington D.C.
01:26:03.000and they wrote the book as they were told to write it.
01:26:06.000And to implicate McVeigh and Nichols and no one else.
01:26:11.000But, I mean, for police out there listening, Pat, detectives, whoever, or people that have two brain cells, come on, you're not going to have all these top anti-terrorism guys and the guy that's practicing blowing up trucks full of ammonium nitrate on the ground right when it happens.
01:26:26.000I mean, number one, that's impossible if they're not involved, obviously, and then number two, the police say they ran up to them and said, yeah, we were told not to come into work today.
01:26:34.000Well, you know, since I wrote the article even just a week ago, I have uncovered a Well, I'd uncovered him, but I now have an appointment with a former CIA operative who was a contract man within the Secret Service, ATF, and FBI doing various jobs.
01:26:52.000You know, just to remind your listeners, and I'm sure you're well aware, the CIA was never supposed to do anything domestically since they were formed in 1947.
01:27:04.000Yes, well they got around that by not ever sending in their actual employees or agents in, but they would use contract men to infiltrate.
01:27:15.000This man infiltrated the Ku Klux Klan in the late 80s and actually became Tim Tuttle's, Tim McVeigh's, shadow.
01:27:25.000Uh, at that time, and met with him at gun shows and elsewhere, and was able to tell us a whole lot of information about Insight with McVeigh, but one of the most shocking things that he's told us that we're still checking out is that Oklahoma City was not the only target, and Little Rock, Arkansas indeed was a target up until the final day.
01:27:44.000And that was one that they, I think they chose because McVeigh wanted to get a particular building.
01:27:51.000Let's not, you know, let's not dodge that part.
01:27:53.000But he was, he was very much a Patsy and was being used the whole time.
01:27:57.000Well yeah, they take a guy, they sheep dip him and then he goes into intelligence and then they hang him out to dry, shoot him up with the drugs after they grab him.
01:28:08.000Yeah, I mean they could have done even more I guess out in the open.
01:28:11.000Maybe held him up in front of somebody dying of cancer and have the guy walk up and shoot him.
01:28:16.000Yeah, but nevertheless we're still going to check out some of the veracity of this Little Rock story, but it's shocking in that this man has told us on the record, on tape, that There were literally hundreds of people and a dozen federal agencies who knew very well that the bombing was coming down in Oklahoma on April 19, 1995.
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01:32:57.000Then we go into Oklahoma City for about 40 minutes of the two and a half hour on Two and a half hour film on VHS, almost three hour film on DVD.
01:33:09.000And then we spent another 35 minutes on 9-11, showing how that was an inside job.
01:33:14.000Then we get into the police state, why they want these terrorist attacks.
01:33:18.000So that's why the film is so powerful, is it covers a brief history of world terrorism.
01:33:25.000It gets into Putin blowing up his own buildings.
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01:34:57.000There's like five new videos that are going up this week.
01:35:05.000Mr. Hopsinger's video, Muhammad Atta and the Venice Flying Circus, that just went up.
01:35:09.000My interview with Dean Haglin of the X-Files about why they made that episode for the Lone Gunman about a Remote-controlled jet to be flown to the World Trade Center by the government to create martial law.
01:35:19.000Now he thinks the CIA may have planted that on them.
01:35:22.000Oh yeah, that's the type of stuff that is on PrisonPlanet.tv.
01:35:27.000Before we get back into your incredible article that does bring in a lot of new information and puts it all together with the older information, tell us about American Free Press and tell us about your book and tell us about the incredible work you've done, Pat Shannon.
01:35:43.000Well, most of that can be found at my website, patshannon.com, and just remember that there are no O's in my Shannon, all A's.
01:35:51.000Alex, only time I ever made all A's in my life.
01:35:59.000And also, incidentally, on there, near the top of that site, first page, are the evidence from NBC's own clips.
01:36:08.000of the charges going off in the Trade Center building as they were demolished.
01:36:12.000And what we did, we took some stills from the NBC video a few seconds apart and sprang them in there.
01:36:24.000And then, of course, we also quoted Van Romero, the infamous professor from New Mexico.
01:36:31.000I mean, he definitely was an expert, an engineer out there, who came out the same afternoon, you will remember, who said it looks like a demolition because that's exactly what it was.
01:36:42.000Well, Pat, I had an engineer, family friend, Jimmy Wright, Uh, who lives in Fredericksburg, but also lives in New York and Houston.
01:36:53.000Uh, very prominent, and he's there in the World Financial Center.
01:36:56.000He was on my show an hour after the buildings fell that morning, and he said, first hour, he said, the most beautiful controlled demolition I've ever seen.
01:37:26.000For people that are listening to us, Oklahoma City.
01:37:28.000You've got the head FBI people there on the ground, and then lying about it.
01:37:31.000We've got, admittedly, This head BATF bombing expert, who did seven different truck bombs out in the desert, and car bombs, he's there on the ground, and BATF runs up to cops, and the cops go, what are you doing in full bomb gear?
01:37:45.000Two minutes after, they go, oh, we were here, we were told to get out of the building.
01:37:48.000Now, that was lower level BATF, but obviously wasn't involved, and was again, thought it was part of a sting.
01:37:54.000And they always use these drills as a cover, but Pat, give us a phone number or information, how we get your books.
01:38:00.000Well, as I say, the best way is just go to the website and www.patshannon.com.
01:38:06.000My new book that's just out in the last few months is called Maybe the People Have the Answers.
01:38:51.000It goes, contrary to media reports, the World Trade Center bomb of February 1993 was composed of urea nitrate, not ANFO, according to the FBI.
01:38:58.000It continues, Despite only one known case in almost 25 years, why didn't Clinton's NSC, National Security Council, they just keep being involved every time, anticipate a need for detailed information regarding Anfo vehicle bomb attacks a few months prior to the Oklahoma City blast?
01:39:14.000Treasury's own official documents reveal the intensity of interest.
01:39:18.000In fact, a brief summary of Project Dipole Might is featured in the BATF's 94 Annual Report to Congress.
01:39:25.000There were enough clandestine characters hanging around Oklahoma City to fill a James Bond movie during the days prior to the crime.
01:39:31.000BATF's paid informant, Carol Howe, had provided information that the Murrow Building was one of the potential targets.
01:39:40.000Marshals in Denver the information that a federal building would be blown up Either in Denver or Oklahoma City within two weeks, he had not only personally delivered timers and blasting caps to a Middle Eastern group, but had sat in on a meeting where the blueprints of the Murrah Building were on display.
01:39:57.000Now again, these are these Iraqis, trained in the 80s as Republican Guard by our military, brought in by George Bush Sr.
01:40:06.000and Clinton, that's Washington Times, LA Times, in 92 and 93, Brought in to the U.S.
01:40:20.000They're caught with bomb-making materials and blue jogging suits in their bags as they fly out of the country.
01:40:25.000So again, the government likes to use these contractors, these go-between individuals.
01:40:31.000Then, 38 minutes before the blast on April 19th, the Department of Justice in Washington received an anonymous telephone call warning that the Murrah Building was about to be blown up, but took no action.
01:41:10.000Hoppe Heileberg was the grand juror who was removed back in 1995, that's correct.
01:41:16.000And he has since formed his own investigation committee because he was intrigued by the whole thing.
01:41:24.000I can tell you that Hoppe Heileberg knows as much about the deception of this case as anybody in the world.
01:41:30.000And he and I are very close, and we talk often about it.
01:41:34.000And he, of course, introduced me to Kerry Gagin when they finally tracked him down.
01:41:38.000But Gagin has a most intriguing story to tell, and I'm not going to take up a lot of time this morning talking about it.
01:41:46.000Once again, they can pull up my Oklahoma City section on the website and read the articles, the lengthy articles we wrote about him.
01:41:52.000But he actually played both ends against the middle.
01:41:56.000He was offered A quarter million dollars by the terrorists to go into Mexico and meet with some European terrorists and pick up some timers and detonators and get them back across the line into the states.
01:42:08.000The reason they wanted to use him is he was an experienced drug trafficker.
01:42:20.000Then he discovered, as an old jailhouse lawyer, that the Feds were willing to pay Up to a $2 million reward for any citizen who would stop a terrorist attack.
01:42:34.000So, Gagin, being an astute businessman, went to the other side.
01:42:56.000He actually got a letter absolving him of any crimes.
01:43:01.000This mysteriously disappeared later, by the way, after Stephen Jones became McVeigh's attorney.
01:43:08.000And Jones apparently is deep-sixed this letter, but we do have the copies and the evidence of it.
01:43:13.000Well, one thing led to another, and Gagin was right up in the midst of this thing, and he was reporting, and as I mentioned, that April 6th report he gave to Marshalls was only the final one of many.
01:43:48.000Well, I can't imagine there being any cops on the job that haven't already figured that out.
01:43:52.000the BATF in the media that it was an amphobomb within 10 minutes this is Harry Everhart I mean again a two-year old can figure this out Pat yeah I mean what do you say to the police out there that they're still thinking this government isn't completely criminal well I can't imagine there being any cops on the job that they haven't already figured it out they would have to be awfully naive well maybe this truck bombing expert just happened to be
01:44:22.000I mean, maybe the BATF just happened to get a warning to get out of the building.
01:44:24.000I mean, just, just maybe, you know, maybe pigs fly, Pat.
01:46:10.000Uh, Pat, I wanted to ask you if, or Alex, uh, talk about, uh, the, uh, the video that was, uh, leaked from a, uh, uh, either police intelligence or a law enforcement person to a, a reporter in the, in the, uh, In the Midwest area, and was later seized in a raid on the reporter's house, where I do not believe he was ever charged.
01:46:37.000Yeah, no, that was a videotape of the truck bomb going off of McVeigh with a Middle Easterner.
01:46:44.000Pat, I remember that report, that was mainstream news about a year ago, the Associated Press, but I don't remember the name of the reporter.
01:46:51.000I thought perhaps he was speaking of the Sheriff's Office video that showed the removal of the unexploded bombs.
01:47:19.000Well, I've had lawyers on who've done two lawsuits.
01:47:23.000One of the lawyers knew about Oklahoma before it even happened, and they've been suing for years, and they declared national security on the surveillance camera tapes of OKC.
01:47:32.000Just basically the substance of that video, isn't there a Isn't there a lot of evidence in one or more videos of a large horizontal flame or fire at the base of the building right before the blast?
01:47:52.000Well, again, all I know from the AP article a year ago, and thanks for the call, was that, just type in the headline, reporters home rated, OKC tape confiscated, that should pop up for you.
01:48:03.000And we never really heard what happened, they just said that he did indeed have this video.
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01:54:22.000Well, now in the museum, what I call, you know, furthering cover-up of the cover-up, they've got, they've refuted their own evidence, Alex.
01:54:29.000They've got Venetian blinds that were actually hanging in the actual windows and they're blown out.
01:54:35.000Uh, you know, explain to me how you got a bomb on the street.
01:54:38.000Must have been a suck bomb, as one guy called it.
01:54:40.000You know, to suck these Venetian blinds out the window, as it did.
01:54:44.000It's just some of the absurd things that they want to sell us, but that's one of the powers of a propaganda machine in television.
01:54:59.000I just wanted to have a question I am pretty sure about five or six months ago listening I'm 99% sure to the power hour and she was interviewing someone who was at the execution of Tim McLean and I remember her stating I think she was a reporter for one of the papers or something That would be the lady from the Chicago Tribune who commented that she didn't think he was dead.
01:55:52.000And so why did they need to bring in an expert with different chemicals?
01:55:56.000Because I know that she said also, she said, well, you know that already, but she said that they took the body out, would let nobody look at it, and I think they cremated him, kind of like quick.
01:56:05.000Well, after getting, or at least publicly saying that he requested that.
01:56:35.000Yes, and I commented then that I didn't believe it, and by the time I got through interviewing him, I saw how it could have been possible, so they can read it there.
01:58:18.000We tried to call him, his circuits were busy, but I just tried to call him and the phone was ringing, so try it again.
01:58:24.000He's made a lot of just incredible documentaries, written just hundreds of great reports exposing government drug dealing, government involvement in terrorism.
01:58:35.000Last hour we were talking to Pat Shannon from American Free Press about, well, A secret government program that's been made public of blowing up truck bombs out in the New Mexico desert in the year before Oklahoma City.
01:58:49.000And the very person from the BATF running that program, the very person running that operation, was on the ground right when the bombing happened in Oklahoma City and called the media and everybody telling them it was an AMFO fertilizer bomb.
01:59:09.000It's amazing to see this type of stuff going on.
01:59:13.000But now we have Michael Chertoff appointed by President Bush to head the Homeland Security Department.
01:59:21.000And he may have shielded, this whole process may be about shielding from criminal prosecution, a former client suspected by law enforcement of having funneled millions of dollars directly to Osama Bin Laden while in charge of the U.S.
01:59:39.000And the interesting thing about all of this is just like General Mahmood Ahmed, the second trip in his life to the United States, the head of Pakistani intelligence, meeting with Porter Goss and others, as the planes flew into buildings in the morning of 9-11.
01:59:54.000And then it turns out, it's admitted, New York Times, Washington Post, that he wired $100,000 to Mohammed Adam.
02:00:02.000And then he's hanging out with Goss, who becomes your new CIA chief.
02:00:05.000It's like the head of NORAD who had to certainly know about the stand-down, General Frank Eberhardt.
02:00:10.000He then becomes the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff.
02:00:14.000All of these guys who were intimately involved in 9-11, in the stand-down, in the cover-up, or involved in it itself, are now being promoted to all the highest positions.
02:00:27.000And it's very, very, very serious when you see how they're putting these individuals into place.
02:00:35.000Now we're going to break here and come back and a lot of stations join us after the news and we'll bring up our guest who again, I've been watching his videos for years.
02:00:44.000He's done so much really important work exposing the New World Order and the globalists and government drug dealing, you name it.
02:00:52.000And he's been on the cutting edge of exposing people like Michael Chertoff and has done a great investigation of the gentleman who's going to be obviously our new Homeland Security Chief.
02:01:05.000And his connections to 9-11 and to organized crime, you name it.
02:01:08.000So that's all coming up after the break.
02:01:11.000The website, check out these fine reports and look at some of the videos that have been produced by Daniel Hopsicker is madcalproduction.com.
02:01:25.000And I suggest you go to that website and get hard copies of his documentary films.
02:01:29.000He has been kind enough to allow us to post it on prisonplanet.tv.
02:01:35.000And so, one of his newest and best videos, Mohammed Atta, on the Venice Flying Circus, is posted there for anybody that wants to go up to PrisonPlanet.tv.
02:01:47.000So, when we return, we will get into this detail.
02:01:51.000That's why I like Hopsicker's reports on things, because he just nexuses so many different points together, and follows the money trail, and you'll get an idea of what a monster Michael Chertoff is.
02:02:05.000just in his own business activities and in the people he defends and the people he prosecutes and what he does.
02:02:11.000Then there's a whole other area that we discussed in the first hour with professor and lawyer Ellen Castle getting into how Mr. Chertoff, like Gonzalez, is the architect of torture, architect of the Patriot Act, you name it.
02:02:29.000These are very unsavory, dark characters that we're talking about, and we'll detail it on the other side of this quick break.
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02:06:29.000I saw your Mohammed Adja and the Venice Flying Circus.
02:06:35.000An interesting name, but the film details why you gave it that name.
02:06:39.000And I want to talk about 9-11 some today, but I first off want to get into your detailed report.
02:06:46.000about Michael Chertoff because I've been researching Chertoff for years and it was great to see a lot of the things I've independently confirmed and more pulled together in one spot on your website with this detailed, I don't know, 10-15 page report.
02:07:01.000But first off, tell us about Daniel Hopsicker and then let's get into why you've been interested in Mr. Chertoff.
02:07:09.000Well, you know Alex, nobody's interested in me.
02:07:11.000I'll give you 30 seconds, you know, quickly.
02:07:14.000I was a business news producer who went astray when I went out to shoot a pilot for a show that I thought would update in search of Leonard Nimoy.
02:07:26.000For the paranoid nineties, don't you know?
02:07:29.000And the story, uh, I was told by my social producers on featuring on the pilot episode concerned, um, the deaths of two 17 year old kids in Arkansas who stumbled onto a drug drop late one night in 1987.
02:07:43.000And, um, you know, when I got down there instead of a 10 minute, um, story on a half an hour, um, pilot, silly pilot, by the way, I realized You know, that I had a story in front of me that I needed to treat with the utmost seriousness and with everything I could bring to it in terms of, you know, both skill and intelligence.
02:08:07.000That's right, you're one of the pioneers, one of the first to report the details of mean Arkansas and the drug trafficking there.
02:08:15.000Well, actually, I'm probably one of the last.
02:08:19.000I remember right after it, you know, seeing you reporting on it.
02:08:25.000So, let's talk about Chertoff for a minute.
02:08:29.000So, long story short, Alex, I wrote a book about Barry Seal, Barry and the Boys, and so developed an unintended expertise in CIA aviation crime.
02:08:42.000And of course, after September 11th... Okay, then here's what happened.
02:08:46.000September 11th was unique to me because three days afterwards, when it came out that three of the four terrorist pilots had learned to fly in the retirement community of Venice, Florida, I went through something really hanky about that.
02:09:01.000And I already knew that because my parents bought a retirement house in Venice, Florida in 1977.
02:09:07.00077-78, and I've been coming down to Venice to see him for 20-25 years, to see mom and dad for 3-4 nights during the winter, and it's like leisure world here.
02:09:17.000So why would a 30-year-old man, even if he is a terrorist, especially if he's a terrorist in the last year of his life, come to leisure world if he could train, say, in Miami?
02:09:27.000And, of course, there are 220 flight schools in Florida alone, and yet the bulk of the terrorists apparently favored two schools owned by an international Dutch criminal named Rudy Deckers.
02:09:49.000And then later I want to get into the flying circus because you went and interviewed the locals.
02:09:54.000You talked to people right next door to these hangars.
02:09:57.000all these different CIA connections there locally.
02:10:01.000Yes, yes, and I'm proud of the job I did doing it.
02:10:04.000I was the only person, Venice to me, Venice, Florida, was the biggest September 11th crime scene that wasn't reduced to rubble.
02:10:13.000It was where the terrorist conspiracy hung out for far more longer than the FBI would want us to know.
02:10:22.000And if they had associates that we would want to know more about, this would be the place to find them.
02:10:29.000And so, you would think, wouldn't you, that after some immense national tragedy like September 11th, that there would have been a hundred investigative reporters knocking on Muhammad Ata's next-door neighbor's door and asking, what was he like?
02:10:51.000Everyone... I mean, it was so clear to me, as I'm sure it was to you, that there was a official media clampdown, blackout, whatever you want to call it, immediately after September 11th, and no real news filtered out after the first few days.
02:11:15.000You know, and this stuff is not that hard to find, is it?
02:11:17.000So let me give you 30 seconds on how we found this out.
02:11:23.000One of the young people that helps me out here became interested, and he did research, which is something most people don't do, and he decided that he was going to track down the names and addresses of the terrorists on the FBI list that was inadvertently released by the government of Finland after September 11th.
02:11:48.000So, he discovered that one of the suspected terrorists on the list shared several addresses with a man who is today, or was until recently, the military attache at the Moroccan Embassy in Washington, D.C., Colonel Arara.
02:12:11.000And he thought that was pretty odd, and so we investigated it, and we ended up doing a story about it.
02:12:17.000And while we were doing that story, we became aware that Muhammad Abba had relatives in Orlando.
02:12:25.000And so we were um... alert to the possibility that he may have, he might have had other relatives in the U.S.
02:12:34.000and of course that's where Chertoff comes in.
02:12:37.000We became aware of the doctor, I don't know how to say his name, my head, El Amir, who is a neurologist in New Jersey and he's a neurologist in New Jersey whose HMO was busted out to the tune of about 45 million dollars that New Jersey taxpayers had to pay to pick up with this guy left.
02:13:07.000And yet he was never charged with the crime.
02:13:09.000And he was never charged with the crime because one good reason was he had probably the best criminal defense attorney in New Jersey and the most well-connected, a guy by the name of Michael Chertoff.
02:13:20.000And so we began looking a little more closely at Dr.
02:13:27.000He had been named in an intelligence report that went before September 11th to the head of the House International Committee who thought that it was a verifiable report and passed it on to the FBI.
02:13:43.000And this report said that this doctor was sending millions of bucks to Osama Bin Laden from this HMO he was busting out in New Jersey.
02:13:52.000And then we have Michael Chertoff protecting him as his lawyer.
02:13:56.000And then we see the same story with General Mahmoud Ahmed, the head of Pakistani intelligence, with $100,000 to Mohammed Adda, meeting that morning with Porter Goss at the Capitol.
02:14:07.000I mean, it's like everybody Bush puts in place, whether it's General Eberhardt and NORAD, at every level the people involved in cover-ups are put in higher level positions.
02:14:19.000You couldn't be more accurate in that statement.
02:14:22.000In fact, it actually gets kind of funny.
02:14:24.000I mean, there's two attitudes you can adopt towards the way things go here in this country.
02:14:29.000One is that of constant outrage, and I subscribe to that, and the other is you've got to be a little bit bemused by it occasionally.
02:14:36.000So, for instance, when President Bush appointed Henry Kissinger the initial head of the 9-11 Commission, I thought that he was attempting to illustrate his capacity for irony.
02:14:51.000And then, when he appointed Asa Hutchinson to head the DEA, I thought, how splendid could that be?
02:15:18.000Well, Asa Hutchinson sure didn't see any of it.
02:15:21.000He didn't see, I mean, I don't know how you look the other way.
02:15:25.000I mean, he must have been staring straight down at the ground.
02:15:27.000Apparently, the sound of the C-123s rumbling overhead just scared poor Asa to death.
02:15:33.000But he was rewarded for that, wasn't he, by being named head of the DEA, and now his boss, is this guy, Michael Chertoff, who, you know who he reminds me of?
02:15:43.000He's the Republican Richard Benveniste.
02:16:38.000Chertoff would just say, hey, I was, you know, I didn't know he was a terrorist at that point, you know, and I was, you know, that's my job, to defend people.
02:16:44.000That's where our Constitution says you get.
02:16:48.000But then, after 9-11, Bush appointed him head of the official 9-11 investigation, and There was, I mean, this guy was at the heart of that Jersey City, New Jersey stuff, okay?
02:17:02.000He, the guy, the Dana Molson guy was on his payroll, the guy that was looking for stingers, the Pakistani looking for stingers.
02:17:11.000And that was when the first, that was the first time I saw the complete outline of some of what was going on, because the deal that Dr. Amir's buddy was trying to cut in New Jersey before he got busted was called typical by federal prosecutors, and that deal was oil and heroin for guns and training.
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02:21:57.000His website is just full of a lot of powerful information.
02:22:01.000You'll definitely want to check it out.
02:22:04.000It's madcalprod.com, or the abbreviation of productions, madcalprod.com.
02:22:11.000And he's been really kind enough to allow us to post his documentary film online at PrisonPlanet.tv, Mohammed Adda and the Venice Flying Circus.
02:22:21.000I want to get into that later in the next segment and also tell listeners how they can get a copy of that film and some of his other great videos that I've been a fan of for years.
02:22:30.000But Daniel, continuing with Michael Chertoff.
02:22:34.000Let me give you just, because you've been on him for years, but for the last two years, He testified right after being named to head the investigation.
02:22:46.000This is just three weeks after September 11th, early in October.
02:22:50.000He testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee.
02:22:54.000And if you remember back then, I mean, we were all scared.
02:23:12.000Well, he said, frankly, he said he can't distinguish between drug smuggling and terrorist activity.
02:23:20.000The two blend in together with the mob.
02:23:24.000And that's what they were going after.
02:23:27.000They were going to follow the money, right?
02:23:29.000So it wasn't but a few months after that that we discovered, down here, that during the same month that Mohammed Adah arrived at his flight school.
02:23:41.000The owner of the flight school, Wally Hilliard, had his Learjet confiscated on the runway of Orlando Executive Airport, and not by mistake, by DEA agents who found 43 pounds of heroin on board.
02:23:53.000So Chardoff is running off his mouth about we're going to follow the money and drug smuggling and, you know, and this was the same, a week later, President Bush.
02:24:06.000And again, folks, tell them who that individual you just mentioned is.
02:24:10.000The man that owned the flight school that these terrorists came to learn to fly in, ostensibly, Wally Hilliard, the same month they got here, July of 2000, had his Learjet confiscated because it had 43 pounds of heroin on board.
02:24:22.000And it wasn't by mistake that plane had been flying that same route for 30 weeks in a row.
02:24:28.000And your film gets into how the CIA's got a big base there locally and how he's connected to that.
02:25:33.000There's just so much here in your detail report, and I've seen some of it here and there over the years, but you've got one of the most detailed ones I've seen here.
02:25:41.000Just all his connections, it just goes on and on.
02:25:44.000Yeah, what Chertoff was doing in New Jersey defending this man is the same thing that we see happening in Boston where An officially protected, um, FBI protected terrorist activity was allowed to continue after September 11th.
02:26:07.000This is exactly the same thing that, um, FBI translator whistleblower Sybil Edmonds, um, I believe is speaking about when she says that there was a protected drug smuggling activity, um, by a quasi-governmental organization going on in conjunction with the terrorist network.
02:26:31.000And she was being ordered to go back and falsify transcripts.
02:26:35.000I don't know what she was ordered to do, but I do know that when I first heard her allegation that she had seen documents proving that there was an officially protected drug smuggling activity going on in conjunction with the terrorist network, I knew that was the same thing I'd seen in Venice.
02:26:57.000I mean, that was the same thing I've been seeing, you know, in Venice, Florida.
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02:27:04.000I mean, it's major trafficking, and you have to ask yourself, you know, what was going on?
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02:31:27.000Well, it's all at madcowprod.com, our website.
02:31:30.000That's what keeps us going, that keeps us researching.
02:31:34.000What we have right now, I don't know if you even know this, I mean, I did, I shot a two hour long interview with Muhammad Ata's American Girlfriend.
02:33:07.000military bases and they were out creating a ledger or a history at private flight schools.
02:33:13.000I mean, it just goes on and on and on, but all that has come out in the mainstream news, but it's back in the newspaper or on some obscure MSNBC archive.
02:33:29.000You know, and sometimes it comes out and then immediately dies.
02:33:32.000And that's how you know the story's been killed.
02:33:35.000For instance, just four days after September 11th, all the big papers, or most of them, Newsweek, Washington Post, the Miami Herald, and the Knight Ritter newspapers all reported that six of the hijackers, including Muhammad Ata, had attended secure U.S.
02:33:49.000military facilities, schooling at secure U.S.
02:33:54.000They never denied the story, but it was dropped like a hot potato.
02:33:57.000Pensacola Naval Air Station, and then you and others have reported, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but there were people with the same names as hijackers, even looked like them, who were training other Arabs at U.S.
02:34:09.000bases who then died in mysterious accidents?
02:34:13.000There have been any number of strange things happen.
02:34:17.000What I'm personally aware of is the intimidation of witnesses down in Florida.
02:34:25.000If... Alex, just look at it this way, okay?
02:34:28.000Otta lived for three months, almost three months, with a... with a... what was then a pink-haired stripper, okay?
02:34:37.000Now, after September 11th, you're the National Enquirer.
02:34:40.000I mean, you go nuts for that story, right?
02:34:42.000You know, I saw a side moment, you know, of Muhammad, no one else saw, said stripper girlfriend, you know?
02:34:51.000And she's got incredible details, and yet...
02:34:54.000We couldn't get that story reported anywhere except in the German media.
02:35:01.000The biggest German newspaper picked it up for their six million readers.
02:35:06.000So if you're German, you can find out about the nightly drinking and cocaine and drug-fueled three-day weekends in Key West that supposed Islamic fundamentalist, Muhammad Ata, And his buddies went on, and the most... Yeah, and they're handing their cards out, and leaving Korans at the topless bars, and their magic passports fall out of the sky, and... Alex, here's the most amazing thing she said, okay?
02:35:33.000I mean, she wasn't, she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and she wasn't paying totally close attention, but, I mean, she told about, almost nightly, okay?
02:35:45.000A half a dozen of Ada's closest associates while he was in Florida weren't Arab.
02:36:14.000And again, folks, this is up on PrisonPlanet.tv for members there, 15 cents a day.
02:36:19.000We've got the film, but I suggest you get a hard copy from Daniel Hopsicker.
02:36:25.000His film, The Hamanata and the Venice Flying Circus, it just goes through all the CIA people, all of it.
02:36:32.000I mean, it's just bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
02:36:35.000And then don't forget what we were covering in the last hour.
02:36:38.000You've got this head BATF guy who's part of a secret U.S.
02:36:41.000government program, now public, congressional documents, of blowing up truck bombs and van bombs and car bombs, seven of them out in the New Mexico desert, in the months before Oklahoma City, and then he's on the ground, when it goes off, outside the building, and calls the media and the BATF within ten minutes saying it's an ANFO bomb.
02:38:26.000Now this pink-haired topless dancer who was living with Alice, he said, these Anglo guys, these white guys, Are showing up, hanging around, and we were told these were Muslim extremists, but they're all out partying in U.S.
02:38:49.000They're people with elaborate cover stories, you know.
02:38:54.000I met the girl, I met the woman I'm with when I sailed into Bombay after being blown across the, you know, The East Indian Ocean on a worldwide sailing trip.
02:39:20.000For four of the seven years that he lived in Hamburg, he was supported by something called the Congress Bundestag Program, which is a joint US-German program.
02:39:31.000When several of the hijackers, or the decoys, went to a Malaysian Al-Qaeda summit, and I've even interviewed the folks from the embassies, ladies and gentlemen, they were ordered to let them back in, give them visas again, even though they had gotten on the terrorist watch list, the CIA is saying you let them back in, and even before that I interviewed Mr. Springman,
02:39:54.000Who was in Jeddah, the head embassy chief there, and letting other terrorists in, and he was told this is part of a terrorism trainings thing that they're doing in the U.S., at secure U.S.
02:40:06.000military bases, let them in, it's a CIA operation!
02:40:10.000Right, and back on the Chertoff front for a moment, My buddy Sander Hicks did an interview with Randy Glass, I believe, in which Glass said that his investigation was shut down.
02:40:26.000That had already led to, you know, people that were trying to buy Stinger missiles for heroin.
02:40:30.000And then the CIA and FBI agents that tried to stop these people, they got reprimanded or fired, but those that held up the investigations got record cash bonuses in 2002.
02:41:42.000They're extremely smart, they're extremely good, but I believe they can be beaten because sooner or later everybody's going to see through it.
02:41:52.000The more we expose them, the more we get involved, the more fires they've got to put out.
02:41:56.000And now I've noticed they can't even counter us half the time now.
02:42:09.000I mean, I think we've turned the corner with the minds of the people.
02:42:12.000You know, and also where I see that is in the election story, in vote fraud.
02:42:20.000Four years ago, on the eve of the 2000 election, I was waiting for my book, Barry and the Boys, to come out and having nothing better to do, I went out to shoot a documentary based on some wacky friend's idea that American elections are not as open and honest as we all know them to be.
02:42:38.000Four years later, pretty much, that's a commonly held sentiment.
02:42:46.000You know, four years ago, when I first realized, when I first saw that this idea wasn't wacky, you know, I was floored by it.
02:42:58.000And then, of course, your reaction after that is, oh, well of course, you know, Let's go back to when I interrupted you.
02:43:07.000You talked about him not having enough operatives for these 9-11 type things.
02:43:11.000Sure, and I can bring up just one quick election example for you, okay?
02:43:17.000In 2001, one of the guys whose activity spans 9-11 and the election is Adnan Khashoggi, Saudi billionaire, Adnan Khashoggi.
02:43:28.000He and a couple of unnamed Saudi billionaire buddies of his, through a shell company in Bermuda, owned the company that counted American servicemen's votes overseas until 2003, when it was exposed.
02:43:44.000And when it was exposed, they real quick sold the company, moved the company because it's parked.
02:43:49.000I'm sure your listeners know what it means to park a company.
02:43:57.000If you're a mob boss and I'm a mob boss and I've got a girlfriend and no place to put her and you've got an empty condo, you say, well, you can park her in my apartment, in my condo.
02:44:07.000I mean, she's my girlfriend, but she's in your condo.
02:44:14.000They moved the election company from the Saudis in Bermuda to, of all companies, they sold the company to Accenture.
02:44:25.000Which is the disgraced remains of Arthur Anderson, the people that made possible the $13 billion rip-off of Enron.
02:44:35.000Yeah, they're always changing the name, just like DynCorp gets caught kidnapping children, and caught, convicted, and so they just change their name and get even bigger contracts.
02:45:41.000And, um, and I'm not allowed to know, you know, what happened.
02:45:46.000Because, clearly, the story of September 11th is something happened, then something else happened, and then September 11th happened.
02:45:54.000And I'm not allowed to know what went before.
02:45:56.000And then we disprove every major pillar of their official story, and then they never come back and tell us why they lied to us.
02:46:07.000You know, I have two postulates about what happened September 11th.
02:46:12.000I mean, obviously, we were doing business with Osama Bin Laden, dirty business, heroin business, and somebody was making a lot of money, and that somebody on this end isn't an Arab.
02:46:23.000And then, either at our behest, because they're our boys, or as a double-cross, which is also possible, September 11th happened.
02:46:31.000But to me, the fact is, these hideous, hideous people, We would not have been here if we had an honest government.
02:46:42.000Well, you are a journalist, pure and simple, and I engage in journalistic endeavors, but at the same time, I am a pundit, a political person who talks about these things, and from all the evidence, and I think we could get a conviction, and we could show this to a grand jury and then to a jury, just in a 30, 45 second nutshell, this is what went down.
02:47:04.000Because they do this in Oklahoma City.
02:48:18.000Muhammad Ata, when his girlfriend kicked him out, when his stupid girlfriend kicked him out, came back when she wasn't there and slaughtered her six baby kittens, left kitten parts all over the apartment, gutted the mother cat.
02:48:30.000So you think they found psychopaths and then opened the doors for them?
02:48:35.000Um, I know, I know that he was enough of a psychopath to uh... Stay there!
02:48:41.000Stay there, we'll hear about it on the other side.
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02:51:57.000I'm sorry to all the callers, loaded phone lines.
02:51:59.000We haven't been taking calls this hour because news has been too important.
02:52:03.000But we're going to have Daniel Hopsicker back on in the near future.
02:52:07.000I was talking to Daniel during the break, and I said, well, what do you not agree with in my theory, as you can see?
02:52:12.000And he says, well, I agree with a lot of it, just not all of it.
02:52:14.000And I'm interested to hear specifically what you don't agree with, Daniel.
02:52:18.000Um, I think Mohammed Ata knowingly flew a plane into a building and hooded Marwan al-Shahi.
02:52:23.000Um, no one questions, you know, I mean there are suicide bombers every day in the Middle East and in Israel.
02:52:28.000No one says, no one ever questions their motive.
02:52:31.000No one ever says, well the guy, the guy... Okay, then what do you think I'm saying that's right?
02:52:34.000Because obviously all the doors were open for them.
02:52:37.000All the rest of it, all the rest of it, all the rest of it is that... So they're government agents, they're in drills and what, they were supposed to be part of the drill but made it real or what?
02:52:52.000You know, here's what we're both saying, is the true story remains to be written.
02:52:57.000And this is the biggest, there has to be something Really monstrous to have covered up so assiduously, okay?
02:53:06.000Something that half the planet watched live.
02:53:11.000And, I mean, the majority... See, 20 years after Kennedy's... It took 20 years after Kennedy's assassination before a majority of Americans said that the government wasn't telling the truth.
02:53:20.000And now, 40 years later, it's 90-plus percent that the government did it.
02:53:24.000Well, here we are just three years after September 11th, and I'm sure it's a solid majority that... Well, seeing it end in a poll, 90 percent believe the government was involved.
02:53:38.000You know, I believe the government was involved to the extent that these terrorists were here at the official behest of the government.
02:53:47.000I mean, Zacharias Moussaoui can teach us something in his rantings in federal court.
02:53:52.000He says that any time he got pulled over, they ran his name through the national crime base and they came back, you know, go your way, can I polish your headlights?
02:54:12.000So we know they opened the door, funded him, trained him, and then we don't know what happened.
02:54:17.000Clearly, we can't see 100% there in those last few minutes, but bottom line, Daniel, they're using all of this to take our rights away, and none of this has anything to do with terrorism, and they're setting up a total police state.
02:54:30.000And certainly that's one way to look at it.
02:54:34.000I don't know if I'll ever know the real truth, but I know I'm going to keep looking for it until I either find it or realize I'll never find it.
02:54:46.000But America is turning into a police state.
02:55:19.000The website is madcowproductions, madcowfraud.com.
02:55:25.000Alright, thank you so much for coming on with us and thanks for letting us post your fine video that fills in a lot of the blanks, a large part of the puzzle pieces.