Big Brother, mainstream media, government cover-ups, you want answers? Well, so does Alex Jones. He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network and now, live from Austin, Texas, we'll be live for the next three hours. Colonel Craig Roberts will be joining us in the second hour to talk about the police state, the new freedom initiative, the National ID Card, and the new year-round census we'll all be living under. We'll also be joined by the report we covered with Pat Shannon yesterday with this top BATF officer, the individual who was over the National Security Council program of testing truck bombs and car bombs out in the New Mexico desert in the year before the 1995 Oklahoma City attack.
00:00:41.000It's already Thursday, the 13th day of January 2005.
00:00:46.000We'll be live for the next three hours.
00:00:49.000Colonel Craig Roberts will be joining us in the second hour to talk about the police state, the new freedom initiative, to discuss the national ID card, to talk about the new year-round census we'll all be living under.
00:01:06.000But he'll also be joining us to talk about the report we covered with Pat Shannon yesterday with this top BATF officer, the individual who was over the National Security Council program of testing truck bombs and car bombs out in the New Mexico desert in the year before the Oklahoma City tragedy on April 19, 1995, who was then on the ground
00:01:34.000As the blast went off in Oklahoma City.
00:01:38.000He didn't live in Oklahoma City, boys and girls.
00:01:41.000Then, of course, Danny Colson, one of the high-level FBI agents over an entire department sector of the FBI.
00:01:52.000This guy claimed he was in Dallas the day of the event, but it turns out he was there the day before.
00:03:02.000I probably see when I'm scanning the news wires at night, when I mainly do it, a hundred articles every day about Big Brother wants your data, data, data, data.
00:03:14.000I didn't read deeper into this article.
00:03:18.000I figured it was just another report about Total Information Awareness Network of the thousands we've seen.
00:03:24.000Well, this morning I happened to read deeper into it.
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00:08:53.000We'll cover the field and focus in on Oklahoma City and more and more information that is coming out, making it crystal clear who was behind their explosions.
00:09:09.000Motion filed for Philadelphia protesters.
00:09:12.000Christians evangelizing at homosexual events seek federal relief.
00:09:20.000Now again, I've read the Associated Press and the Philadelphia Daily News and all the mainstream media admits they went there to a designated protest area.
00:09:31.000Now it's designated, see here, in the land of the free and home of the slaves.
00:09:36.000And they were praying, and the police, there were federal prosecutors there that advised them, Bush appointees there who advised them, that advised local police that what they were saying was hateful and could incite violence.
00:09:54.000And so, they're facing 47 years in prison apiece, including a young 17-year-old lady who was there, praying.
00:10:06.000And again, Republican Governor Mark Schweiker, a few years ago, passed a law where if you read from the Old Testament passages critical of homosexuality, you can be arrested or fined.
00:10:19.000They've passed similar laws in Europe, Canada, and of course in England, but now it's happening here in America.
00:10:28.000And Pat Robertson and the rest of them aren't going to talk about it, because it's the land of milk and honey now, with Lord Bush in there.
00:10:37.000Our good friend who attends the Bohemian Grove, where the New York Post reports they bus in top gay porn stars who, quote, serve as world leaders.
00:10:49.000Wonder why Rush Limbaugh didn't pick up on that.
00:10:53.000They're a bunch of hypocrites is what they are, folks.
00:11:40.000Understand that everybody's losing their freedoms in this country.
00:11:44.000But the left, that is the establishment left lackeys, love it when conservatives lose their rights.
00:11:51.000And the neocon followers love it when liberals lose their rights to speak.
00:11:57.000Well, I don't like it when anybody loses their rights, but Christians are being singled out like no one else.
00:12:05.000And the Christian Church is totally silent on it because they've been cowed through their 501c3.
00:12:13.000One of the attorneys for the Christian protesters who are criminally You know, it's funny, last night on my TV show, I guess great minds think alike.
00:12:21.000have renewed an appeal in federal court citing the Supreme Court statement "Speech cannot be punished or banned simply because it might offend a hostile mob." You know, it's funny, last night on my TV show, I guess great minds think alike.
00:12:41.000But I've been doing my TV show for almost 10 years.
00:12:45.000I'm being sarcastic when I say great minds.
00:12:49.000Just teasing a little bit about myself.
00:12:52.000But I've been thinking about all the hundreds and hundreds of TV shows I've done, where I went out and confronted the Million Mom March, known as the 100 Bureaucrat March.
00:13:05.000The 100 Bureaucrat March, known as the Million Mom March, or where Delta Force arrested us, or detained us, or all this stuff that I've never put in films, that's frankly in many cases even more riveting than what's in my videos, that is going to be lost to the world if we don't show it.
00:13:28.000So last night, Mike pulled out an old tape, an old hour-long tape of a demonstration we had against the Million
00:13:35.000gun grabbers and we played it and I haven't seen this in like four years no five years was five years old and on this video it shows us peaceably standing there with a million moms hitting us with signs and yelling at us and throwing water on our cameras and then the state police at the Capitol they go then cattle on us and the state police come over and tell us well
00:14:05.000Yes, they're the ones hitting you, and yes, we saw some of that, but I don't care if you have it on videotape, you're causing them to do that by standing there with a camera.
00:14:19.000And, of course, then about a year later, the state lost three different $100,000 lawsuits For arresting, well one group was disabled citizens out protesting Governor Bush on the sidewalk and they arrested them.
00:15:33.000Or because you were videotaping the 100 bureaucrat march, or because you were holding up a sign that said, no blood for oil, and 500 Bush supporters didn't like it on the sidewalk, in their unpermitted demonstration, and you were there with your one sign saying, I don't like Bush, and so the police come arrest you and charge you with felonies, under Secret Service orders, and say, well, you could have incited something.
00:15:57.000So again, speech cannot be punished or banned simply because it might offend a hostile mob.
00:16:03.000Well, that's an old Supreme Court ruling.
00:16:05.000You see, the new atmosphere is no anti-Bush signs allowed on the parade route coming up next week on the 20th for the inauguration, the coronation of our Skull and Bones leader.
00:16:26.000Understand, these coronations have always been public.
00:16:29.000The people can come out and stand on the sides of the streets and do whatever they want as long as they don't jump in the street or, you know, yell fire in the theater.
00:16:44.000And I have seen reports of people that go to city council meetings and calmly speak And the council member doesn't like it and says, hate speech!
00:17:11.000So see, none of this has anything to do with terrorism, but notice, with all the heightened security and the rest of it, this is all the pretext for it.
00:17:20.000The filing by the American Family Association Center for Law and Policy seeks emergency relief in federal district court based on evidence from a December preliminary hearing.
00:17:30.000A group of 11 Christians was preaching God's Word to a crowd of people attending the outfest event and displaying banners with biblical messages.
00:17:39.000After a confrontation with a group called the Pink Angels, again it's all on video, they run up and scream and yell and start stuff, described by protesters as a militant mob, the Christians were arrested and spent a night in jail.
00:17:53.000Eight charges were filed, criminal conspiracy, possession of instruments of crime, Reckless endangerment of another person.
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00:24:57.000I mean, I've got memos from Baptist churches where they're told, tell your members, don't talk about politics in the pews, because we could lose our 501c3.
00:25:09.000But I mean, the government just tells the churches this, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
00:25:19.000The government isn't supposed to be involved in religion!
00:25:22.000You know, my mother had a One of those evangelist tapes from, I think it was 1975, and he was predicting all this fact.
00:25:31.000Even then, the scanners, the microchips... Exactly, but now those have all been bought up, and you tune into those shows, and it's George Bush's of the Lord, and these scanners aren't bad, and the chips aren't bad!
00:25:44.000You know, people tend to forget those kind of sermons when it was okay to talk about those sort of things.
00:25:51.000I wanted to ask you, I had You had mentioned you had some footage that you haven't released on your videos and whatnot.
00:26:08.000What I'm doing is, I sent you an email.
00:26:10.000I don't know if you got it, but I'm writing a short film about the Patriot Act and the Constitution.
00:26:15.000I'm contrasting the two of how it's superseding our liberties.
00:26:20.000And, um, I'm doing it in interrogation, kind of, the guy gets pulled over for, you know, routine traffic stuff, and he's taken away by the men in black, so to speak.
00:26:29.000And, uh, I was wondering if... I would... I want to enter it in Sundance, and I would... Would it be okay if I used clips of your documentary, uh...
00:26:42.000Well, are you talking about Sundance this year or next year?
00:26:46.000Well, I'd like to get it in by the deadline, but if I can't, then I'll do it for two weeks.
00:28:36.000Yeah, yeah, this is out of Hampstead, New York.
00:28:38.000This is, did you hear the one about the two guys arrested for telling lawyers jokes?
00:28:43.000It happened this week to the founders of a group called Americans for Legal Reform who were waiting in line to get into a Long Island courthouse.
00:28:52.000Quote, how do you tell when a lawyer is lying?
00:29:06.000To get into the courthouse giggled, a lawyer farther up the line Monday was not laughing.
00:29:12.000He told them to pipe down, and when they did not, the lawyer reported the pair to court personnel who charged them with disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor.
00:29:22.000I think they should be sent to a camp.
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00:32:59.000The broadcast has, I guess, gotten off into the First Amendment, which is always a great subject to talk about.
00:33:20.000All of our basic rights are under attack right now.
00:33:23.000The Bill of Rights doesn't give you your rights, it simply enumerates them, points out God-given existing rights.
00:33:29.000And even if you don't believe in God, which I think is foolish, you should understand that it's real simple.
00:33:38.000A slave in Rome Who say had been grabbed out of Gaul, whose family had been killed and hauled back to Rome, who was then working out on, say, a vineyard as a slave, has a right to stand up against the slave master, even if the slave master says, it's the law that you're my slave.
00:33:59.000Or the overused example I like to use is the black slave 200 years ago in America.
00:34:10.000Does the black slave, who's not really a slave, as a human being, have a right, as they're being whipped, to grab the whip away and beat their would-be master over the head with it?
00:34:22.000Well, according to this government, no!
00:34:24.000Alberto Gonzales has said that Bush is above the law, he is the law, and that they can torture people unto death.
00:34:32.000The tales of the memos are now public, that they can torture someone to the point of death, and that if they have organ failure and die, it's not their fault.
00:34:41.000Now, folks, there's no other way to boil that down.
00:34:49.000David, we're about to go back to you because you're reading an article out of New York that I was unaware of, where people made a lawyer joke about how do you know when a lawyer's lying, his lips move, and they got arrested.
00:34:59.000We'll go to you in about three minutes, and then to Alex and Richard and Eric and Joe and others.
00:35:05.000But right now, Debbie from New Millennium Concepts Hi Alex, I am so honored to be here.
00:35:55.000And they can reach me at my toll free number which is 1-888-803-4438 and just mention that they heard it on Alex Jones and it helps support your broadcasting time over the short wave.
00:36:12.000So, you know, we really would like to have people call in and tell us that they heard it on your show.
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00:40:21.000What happened to that Made in America thing that they used to have?
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00:41:28.000Did you hear the one about the two guys arrested for telling lawyer jokes?
00:41:33.000It happened this week to the founders of a group called Americans for Legal Reform, who were waiting in line to get into a Long Island courthouse.
00:41:42.000Quote, how do you tell when a lawyer is lying?
00:41:45.000Harvey Cash reportedly asked Carl Munzera.
00:41:50.000His lips are moving, they said in unison.
00:41:53.000While some waiting to get into the courthouse giggled, a lawyer farther up the line Monday was not laughing.
00:42:00.000He told them to pipe down, and when they did not, the lawyer reported the pair to court personnel, who charged them with disorderly conduct and misdemeanor.
00:42:10.000Quote, they just can't take it, unquote, Cash said of lawyers in general.
00:42:14.000Quote, this violates our First Amendment rights, unquote.
00:42:18.000Dan Bagnola, a spokesman for the Nassau County Courts, said the men were being, quote, were being disruptive, abusive, and they were causing a disturbance, unquote.
00:42:29.000He said, He did not have the name of a lawyer who complained.
00:42:34.000There's a couple of other paragraphs, but... So now, what it means... Yeah, being abusive and that they were causing a disturbance for telling lawyers jokes.
00:42:44.000That's being abusive and constitutes being arrested for a misdemeanor.
00:42:50.000Well, that's what it's all about now in America, and I mean, Christians are facing 47 years in prison, admittedly, for praying on a street corner.
00:42:58.000Yeah, and I'm guessing that this was, it was a courthouse, so I'm guessing they were waiting on the sidewalk, I mean, in a public place, in a public area.
00:43:07.000So, I mean, this really gets back to... I mean, we're not going to be able to walk down the street and say anything, I guess, pretty soon.
00:43:14.000Well, it may hurt somebody's feelings, and then if you hurt someone's feelings, they can become upset, and that breaks down the fabric of society, or the fabric of society breaks down and aids Al Qaeda.
00:43:49.000Really, it gets back to, I mean, when they eviscerated the unions back in Woodrow Wilson's end of the days, back in the 20s, business elites went berserk when they passed the Wagner Act of 1935.
00:44:00.000And think of it, unions were the only really countervailing force.
00:44:06.000And so they use the Mafia to infiltrate them and take advantage of them?
00:44:10.000That's right, and ever since that, unions have been eviscerated, so they've eviscerated really every fabric of social...
00:44:20.000Any type of social consciousness or any kind of thing where you can have any kind of solidarity among people.
00:44:26.000I mean, there's a great book on this if you want to really check into it at some point.
00:44:32.000And the woman is, it's actually the first academic study that actually came out and talked about the scientific methods of strike-breaking like the, that thing it was called, it was really referred to.
00:44:44.000As the, uh, what was the name of the Mohawk Valley formula, really, which is really, that's what they really called it in the fifties, but, uh... Well, there were cases back in the twenties and thirties where they would just pull up with private security men with Tommy guns and start shooting people.
00:44:58.000That was much more... I've seen film of that, them just mowing strikers down.
00:45:02.000It was much more violent then, but that's the reason they had to go to these more scientific methods of strike-breaking, which is really massive propaganda.
00:45:10.000I mean, they put this in motion very Viscerously after World War II.
00:45:42.000First, great interviews you had yesterday.
00:45:44.000I'm glad you had Mr. Daniel Hostig on.
00:45:48.000He has a lot of information and connects the dots.
00:45:50.000So my question to you is, why do you think The leading hijackers were hanging around with all these drug dealers and foreign operatives and engaging in decadent parties.
00:45:59.000Do you think they were trying to create a cover?
00:46:01.000Or was it real and somehow these people were involved in 9-11?
00:46:06.000Well, I mean, clearly we have hijackers trained at U.S.
00:46:13.000Clearly these guys were government operatives.
00:46:15.000They thought, from the evidence I have, that they were part of a training drill Because, you know, James Woods, the actor, had seen Atta and four other guys on a plane doing hijack simulations, and Woods got on the plane and said, they're trying to hijack.
00:46:29.000And the FBI said, we'll arrest you under national security if you tell anybody.
00:46:33.000So we know that there was a drill going.
00:46:34.000These Al-Qaeda operatives actually were government operatives.
00:46:38.000They thought they were part of a drill.
00:46:40.000Some could argue that they then hijacked themselves.
00:47:00.000And second, I'm angry at the recent immigration booklet that the Mexican government published encouraging illegal immigration because, I mean, that is almost a direct act of war and the U.S.
00:47:10.000government is doing absolutely nothing about it.
00:47:14.000Well, can you imagine if Say France published a booklet on how to get illegal aliens into Germany and how to take Germany over.
00:47:28.000Or if the Flemish put together a booklet about how to infiltrate France.
00:47:51.000Talk about double standards, you know.
00:47:53.000The government allows millions of illegals to come in and damage the economy and society at the same time placing Police state measures on its citizens to protect us against terrorism.
00:48:11.000Giant prisons are being built everywhere.
00:48:13.000Accelerating this police state incarceration institutionalization grid.
00:48:19.000And then the actual Homeland Security Bill Part 2 they just passed.
00:48:24.000The Intelligence Reform Act as they called it.
00:48:27.000In that baby, in this omnibus monster, they actually have part of the amnesty bill in there to make the states and cities accept fake ID cards from foreigners.
00:48:55.000Hey, listen, your prior caller picked up, or left off, pick up.
00:48:59.000In fact, I fetched you an outline of my book the other day, and the title of the book is, Supply-Side Economics, Globalization, the End of Capitalism and Democracy, a Corridor to 9-11.
00:49:12.000And in the book, I use the evolution of the greatest generation, and I go from the year 45 through 75, and I talk about how they did form the unions and they came up with the regulatory agencies to basically and I talk about how they did form the unions and they came up with the regulatory agencies to basically take And then comes technology around the year 1970.
00:49:42.000Well, what really happened is they took the economic pie so they could socially engineer with that money.
00:49:50.000And then now, this is the same thing we did in other countries, once they get us dependent, then they take the pie away.
00:49:58.000Well, my point was that technology allowed the system, and I call it the system because it allowed the system to exploit another labor force.
00:50:10.000When our companies were able to start going into Mexico, you know, technology, real-time information, the intranet, you know, that allowed the supply chain to, you know, come from another source... Yeah, well, to come from 50 places and then all be assembled somewhere else.
00:50:28.000Well, yeah, and so as... And then another thing, too, is when you look at that generation, after World War II, the country was basically united.
00:50:39.000and and with it all all the sacrifices that they had that they they occurred you know during world war ii the third depression that that it wasn't that the use that it wasn't the union it was the people behind the union there was nobody going to take whatever they thought that they had to show on the other the other side.
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00:59:13.000All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're now into hour number two on this Thursday, the 13th day of January 05, yesterday.
00:59:30.000Yes, we've made it well into 05 now, my friends.
00:59:35.000And there is so much news and information I want to talk about with our esteemed guest, Colonel Craig Roberts, best-selling author of One Shot One Kill, a Marine Corps sniper in Vietnam, also a colonel, of course, in the Army.
00:59:50.000Worked in Army Intelligence, helicopter pilot, SWAT team officer in the police department, did detective work on Oklahoma City.
00:59:59.000Quite a renaissance man when it comes to the security services and the military.
01:00:05.000And we haven't had him on, well we had him on a few months ago for a little while just to pop in, but I hadn't had Craig on in about six months for several hours.
01:00:13.000And I know a lot of you are glad to hear him back on the show.
01:00:42.000First off, they've announced that they may not just make the National Guard stay in Iraq for two years, now they're talking about four years, but all the military science says that The average person can't handle more than a tour of combat.
01:01:37.000You've got people who can take it and look forward to it, and it's the adrenaline rush, and the adventure, and this is something I'm doing with my life.
01:01:44.000Then you have people who, they want to be home, and they want to deal with their family, raise the kids, and work in a cubicle, or sell shoes to women at the mall, and that's their objective in life.
01:01:53.000You put those types of people in the same combat scenario you put the first group in, You're going to have some problem areas because these guys don't want to be there to begin with.
01:02:43.000But the thing about it is, guess what?
01:02:44.000They're not getting the same benefits.
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01:02:49.000They're not getting the same chow and quarters and so on in a lot of areas that the regular troops are because the regular officer corps at the general ranks are all regulars, most of them West Point grads or Annapolis or whatever, and they're going to take care of the regular forces and they're going to use the reserves any way they want.
01:03:07.000Now what they did during the first Bush and then the end of the Clinton administration, Was they relegated most of your support and rear echelon activities to Guard and Reserves and most of your combat division activities to the regular military.
01:03:19.000Well then they got themselves in a trick box because now they're in situations like Afghanistan and... Stay there!
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01:07:00.000Alright, we're talking to Colonel Craig Roberts.
01:07:12.000And Craig, you were continuing to talk about these latest memos that came out.
01:07:18.000Then we're going to get into Oklahoma City and a bunch of other police state issues, but We were talking about how they're now not just going to have the National Guard in for two years' active duty.
01:07:27.000They're talking about four years, perhaps indefinite.
01:07:31.000We were talking about the different psychological effects of this fatigue.
01:07:34.000I mean, this has not been done before in modern history.
01:07:37.000Even in World War II, you had to fly 22 missions, but then that was it unless you volunteered for more, and few did over Europe.
01:07:47.000Take Vietnam, where you were, or Korea.
01:07:49.000You only had to be there for 11 12 months.
01:07:56.000Go over what this means and your whole assessment of what's happening in Iraq.
01:08:02.000Well, again, what we're running into psychologically is a situation that people weren't prepared for when they enlisted in the reserves and the guardians.
01:08:11.000Yes, they understand that if you have a war, your job is to put the uniform on, pack your sea bag, and go deal with it for however long it takes, whether it's one year, three years, a duration, or whatever.
01:08:22.000But they weren't prepared to deal with something like this where they get deployed in third world nations on a foreign legion type operation where You know, they're taken out of their hometown.
01:08:36.000In a small town, you can destroy the entire infrastructure of the town because you take the key personnel out.
01:08:41.000You take the young guys who are working, and you pull them out.
01:08:44.000You leave the families home without Dad and so on, and they end up overseas.
01:08:49.000Well, this is fine, but when you keep doing it over and over and over, where they can't plan their lives, then you've got a problem, because psychologically, they're thinking of other things, too.
01:08:57.000They're not only thinking about, I've got to go to war, and it's dangerous.
01:09:33.000The enlistment rate in the Reserves and Guards is going to go down.
01:09:35.000That's going to hurt us in the future.
01:09:37.000But you and I both know there's a higher agenda at work here as well.
01:09:40.000And I think that agenda is that if we send all of our people overseas, there's no one home to watch the chickens.
01:09:46.000And that falls back over to Barry McGaffrey's deal of when he gave the graduation speech to the Cascade class up in Fort Leavenworth, that if we get deployed overseas on two or more fronts, And I'm paraphrasing here, that should a national emergency occur at home where we need our military, we will be forced to call upon foreign assets.
01:10:07.000Now, foreign assets, obviously, is UN troops.
01:10:10.000Now, the biggest problem I've got with this whole scenario is, we're not conducting the war in Iraq on a tactical, sense properly.
01:10:21.000If we did, we would take the stuff we learned in Vietnam, we would go into places like we did in Fallujah.
01:10:25.000We could go into Kordanoff areas of Baghdad or Moselle or any of these places.
01:10:29.000And we could go house to house and we could get the guns and we could get the bombs and we could stop this stuff.
01:10:33.000Another thing we could do is we could stop the casualties.
01:11:26.000They said, I can't even live here anymore.
01:11:28.000And they've gone into these abandoned houses and these ranches, and they found prayer rugs, and they found Korans, and they found notebooks all in Islamic.
01:11:36.000You know, these aren't people coming over here to pick fruit.
01:11:58.000Sending people in four days a week to raid hundreds of homes a week And to go into these houses, to do these raids, I mean, this is serious combat, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.
01:12:16.000All the statistics and studies show that is totally exhausting, and most people can't handle that.
01:12:22.000Well, you can't if you just continue to do it.
01:12:24.000You can't just leave your flashlight on and expect the batteries to last forever.
01:12:40.000When you first get into combat, you're in the learning curve.
01:12:42.000So the first, say, half of the time you're there, you're learning how to protect yourself and your buddies and fight the battle.
01:12:48.000And the second half of the time there, you lose less casualties because you guys are veterans now.
01:12:53.000But you have the new guys coming in and the people who get hurt most normally are the new people because they're the ones that make the mistakes because they haven't learned yet.
01:13:00.000And you've got to have a certain amount of veterans there to teach these guys their survival skills in combat.
01:13:09.000When I was in Vietnam, we got to where, after about six months of being in the bush, we got to where I could tell you, Alex, if we were on a patrol, that there was a tripwire 25 yards ahead, or there was a punji pad pit off to the side of the road, I could tell you if there was a sniper in the treeline over there, because the hair would just stand up in the back of my neck, and I just knew it.
01:13:28.000You know, you go in a restaurant, and you know as well as I do, being a personality, you sit down, you know when somebody's staring at you, and you don't have to look at them.
01:13:35.000Well, you turn around and they're looking at you.
01:14:14.000He was trying to tell them not to do something, they did it, and they both got blown up.
01:14:18.000And they didn't get killed, but they were pretty seriously injured because the young guy made the mistake, not the old guy.
01:14:25.000So we do need some veterans over there, but we don't need everybody to stay there all the time and be worn down to where we have no military left.
01:14:34.000That's just a waste of... Let me stop you, and I understand that you're... You could be called up any time, so you have to be careful about what you say, but they're having whole groups of troops now quit And then the media goes and looks at it, and it's true, where half their guns don't work.
01:14:53.000And they're saying, well, it doesn't matter.
01:14:55.000We're sending you back, and it doesn't matter if your gun is failing half the time you shoot it.
01:15:59.000There were Marines in Hill 881 and 881 South that were found dead on the side of the hill assaulting this mountain with field-stripped weapons trying to unjam them.
01:16:10.000And, uh, so, a friend of mine was involved in an investigation on this.
01:16:13.000He's the one that reported it, investigated it, and says, we gotta do something, get this thing off the battlefield until it's fixed, or get it out of here and give us our M-14s back.
01:16:54.000Because it's a very small organization compared to the Army.
01:16:56.000The Army is almost as bad politically as well because you don't make waves.
01:17:00.000Well, come to find out, in the case of the M16, instead of having rifles that were built by subcontractors scattered all over the country like all of our other weapons had been built by, Colt Firearms had bought the whole thing from Armalite.
01:17:15.000And so Colt Firearms was the sole manufacturer for the first time in American history of all infantry weapons.
01:17:20.000Colt Firearms just happened to be in the pocket of a guy named Robert McNamara who was Secretary of Defense.
01:17:29.000We had helicopters over there getting shot down right and left and getting replaced right and left.
01:17:33.000We lost 6,000 helicopters all together in Vietnam.
01:17:36.000And it was 90% of them being made by Bell Helicopter Textron, which was a part of the trust of Lyndon Baines' Johnson wife, Lady Bird.
01:17:45.000So when we start getting up and finding out that we're not allowed to fix the stuff that's broken, I look real hard at who's making the money here.
01:18:33.000We had 12 of them, where they had machine guns mounted in the back on pedestals.
01:18:36.000We could drive those things anywhere, but they ran on gas and not diesel fuel, and so that was a strike against them, because the military wanted to go to diesel fuel and multi-fuel.
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01:23:49.000That is criminal elements of the Clinton administration.
01:23:53.000And now we've got American Free Press reporting on something that you covered years ago, but they've even got more government documents now.
01:24:00.000OKC bombshell implicates feds in Murrah Blast, and I covered this yesterday with Pat Shannon.
01:24:07.000The reason I'm covering it again today is because Oklahoma City is even a clearer inside job than September 11th.
01:24:15.000And it really shows us with their pants down what they're up to.
01:24:21.000And I want to specifically get into Harry Everhart, this high-level BATF individual assigned to the National Security Council, and tell folks about this.
01:24:33.000Well, I don't have a whole lot on Everhart other than the fact that on day one, everybody has to understand, and you see it all the time, Anytime something happens on the news, the only good information you get is day one, hour one.
01:24:52.000And then after that, key items in the news disappear or they get glossed over or explained away to where by day two, it's not even the same story anymore.
01:25:04.000On day one, it was a terrorist event, it was a missile, and by day three, they didn't know what it was, and eventually it was a center fuel tank, and the plane decided to blow itself up, one day committed suicide.
01:25:13.000Uh, Oklahoma City, on day one, there's so many things that happened, just in the first three to four hours.
01:25:20.000Well, in the first three minutes, BATF runs up and says, we were told not to go in the building.
01:25:26.000And the guy that doesn't even live in Oklahoma City, who's part of a National Security Council secret drill doing truck bombs out in the desert, is there and phones it into the media, going, it's an AMFO bomb.
01:26:06.000This is going to build our case, and we'll pin it on whoever we need to later.
01:26:10.000When in actual fact we all know now, and we knew then, that there were other explosive charges already inside the building that had gone off before the truck was detonated.
01:26:20.000We have since tracked down some of the people that were involved in placing those charges according to eyewitnesses.
01:26:27.000But yet the federal government doesn't want to talk about it.
01:26:28.000They don't want to even hear about it.
01:26:29.000They're doing the three monkey routine.
01:26:32.000At the same time, at 902 and 903, right afterwards, the explosion goes off, and right afterwards, there were people who showed up wearing black SWAT uniforms that we were told were ATF guys.
01:26:46.000And then we were told that ATF wasn't in the building that day.
01:26:49.000And we were told that, no, there were some ATF in the building that day.
01:26:52.000And I'm on the law enforcement end of this deal, and we're getting these stories.
01:26:55.000We have several different vehicle descriptions.
01:26:59.000One was a brown GMC pickup leaving the scene high rate of speed with two to three Middle Eastern males in it wearing blue jogging suits that had left the front door of the building that had held the parking place for the Ryder truck.
01:27:08.000But the FBI doesn't want to hear about that by day three.
01:27:12.000We've got the Eberhardt story now that's coming out.
01:27:16.000That he was involved in calling in that it was an ANFO bomb?
01:27:22.000Well, when this thing first went off, guess what, Alex?
01:27:25.000For the first 20 minutes, it wasn't a bombing.
01:27:27.000For the first 20 minutes here in Oklahoma, that never got outside of the state, you may be hearing this here for the first time, it was a natural gas explosion.
01:27:35.000I was sitting in a barber chair and saw it within a minute of it going off.
01:27:39.000They had cameras pointed in Oklahoma City toward it.
01:27:41.000Here's this giant black column of smoke going up.
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01:31:50.000I hope that Colonel Roberts can stay with us into the next hour.
01:32:04.000We're going to have Jack McClam on as well. - I've got a bunch of news issues and key information I want to go over, but your calls are coming up here in just a few minutes at 1-800-259-9231.
01:32:18.000For those that just joined us, a high-level FBI agent, Danny Colson, said that he was in Dallas on April 19th, 1995, and told Newsweek and Time Magazine this, and said, oh, I didn't take a plane, I decided to drive up there. here. I didn't take a plane, I decided to drive up Because, again, he didn't have a record of how he really got there.
01:32:40.000Then it turns out with the hotel receipts, he was really there the night before.
01:32:44.000And so he was there to direct things and get the official story out.
01:32:49.000But then on top of it, we have Harry Everhart.
01:32:54.000And he witnessed the blast from nearby and called the BATF office in Dallas to excitedly announce someone has just blown up the federal building in Oklahoma City with a truckload of info.
01:33:12.000Part of a secret National Security Council set of drills and tests they did practicing blowing up cars, trucks, and vans out in the New Mexico desert in the 12 months preceding the Oklahoma City bombing.
01:33:29.000Now imagine, he doesn't live in Oklahoma.
01:33:31.000He's there, on the scene, there, when it blows up and calls it in to the BATF, who then calls it in to the media and, oh, it's an AMFO bomb.
01:33:45.000Why is Danny Colson, this high-level FBI agent, over anti-terrorism operations?
01:33:50.000Why is he there and then lying about being there?
01:33:54.000Why is all this happening and going on?
01:33:56.000And I would add to this, Colonel Roberts, on 9-11 we have National Security Council doing a CIA-controlled drill of flying jets into buildings in New York and D.C.
01:34:07.000NORAD is told it's a drill, air traffic controllers in the civilian area say, is this a drill?
01:34:21.000They blow up three apartment buildings in 99 to get martial law going and to attack the Chechens.
01:34:27.000Moscow police in a sting catch FSB planting bombs, heterogen bombs, in a fourth apartment building and then Putin goes, oh it was just a drill.
01:34:35.000So it looks to me like they are always doing these drills over the operation because it's Highly compartmentalized and specialized in case other law enforcement breaks through the wall or citizens report it and they get busted.
01:34:53.000Well, looking at that part as the author of the Medusa file, as an investigative journalist, the questions I would be looking at on that, and I think the answer would be that if you and I were going to plan to do something Then we would be able to plan a cover for it as well, that if the actual operation failed, and we got caught in it, we could say, well, it was just a drill.
01:35:58.000But what's the chances, what's the chances of having somebody who lives in New York City being there outside the building when the bomb goes off, who ran the test for a National Security Council, uh, drill, uh, I mean what's the chances of that, Craig?
01:36:19.000And that's another one of the unanswered questions.
01:36:23.000Well, I mean, you say you don't know much about this character, but you were the first person, years and years and years ago, who talked about the government drill blowing up the trucks.
01:36:33.000Well, yeah, and we knew that that had been going on, and they were trying to figure out how much it would take to cause certain amounts of blast damage at a certain radius using different types of explosives, and one of them was ammonium nitrate fertilizer soaked with diesel fuel or whatever in the back of a moving van.
01:36:49.000And they filmed it, and I think it was even on one of the TV magazine shows.
01:36:54.000Yeah, they had a Discovery Channel show about it, yeah.
01:36:56.000But when it was brought to their attention by bomb experts, that that truck doing that according to their own data could not have done this damage to the Murrah Building, all of a sudden that story evaporated.
01:37:07.000Because what they tried to do is they tried to use that to show that McVeigh and this truck did this damage, and here we experimented out in the desert, and you can see how big of an explosion this is.
01:37:16.000But when they actually analyzed the blast damage coefficient, in other words, the shockwave dissipates as it goes out through the air.
01:37:23.000It would actually carry better underwater than it would through the air.
01:37:26.000Then they found out that the architecture of the Murr building could have withstood it.
01:37:31.000So, you know, it would have blown some windows out about all.
01:37:34.000Well, the problem with that is now what do we do that we show that it can't happen?
01:37:40.000They've got all the different giant 18-wheeler tractor trailers full of plastic explosives parked right up against buildings and all it does is blow the face off of them.
01:37:51.000And that was my key point at one of the FBI meetings I went to.
01:37:54.000I stood there in front of a whole room full of guys and I said, hey, I know none of you have any experience in explosives, but let me just give you an example that you can understand.
01:38:03.000Here are the pictures of the Murrah Building with what's supposed to be ammonium nitrate, which is low-order explosives.
01:38:09.000It's concussive, but it doesn't have a lot of presence.
01:38:16.000I was trying to say that and probably didn't do it well.
01:38:20.000Sometimes I get too technical, but if you look at the Kovar Towers, they drive up with a tanker truck Full of Semtex, which is basically C4, which is plastic explosives, which is a high explosive like Detcord.
01:38:32.000Doesn't it have like 5 times the yield of ammonium nitrate?
01:38:36.000Oh, probably about 15 times the yield.
01:38:39.000And they put it right up in front of the building.
01:38:53.000And hardly, I don't know if anybody even got hurt in the thing.
01:38:56.000This giant explosive went off, and that's all it did, to a building made in Saudi Arabia with poor concrete, very little reinforcing, mostly sandcast, and then you put that up against the Murrah Building, you know, this dog just doesn't hunt.
01:39:15.000Well, plus you have the building blown out, columns further back, blasted off with clean blast points, and General Partin did an examination just of the photos, and it's like, here's the blast points.
01:39:26.000Well, yeah, you could find them on the columns.
01:39:27.000That's why they got rid of the building so quickly.
01:39:28.000They didn't want experts coming in there looking at the columns.
01:39:31.000You've got Jane Graham, who says she saw Andrea Strassmeyer.
01:39:34.000She saw some guy named Gary Lewis, I think was his name, and she identified him, picked him out of photos, said, these are the guys I saw in the building.
01:39:41.000And she was the head of HUD in the building.
01:40:08.000She thought they were putting up a temporary telephone line between the columns.
01:40:11.000And when they saw her, they threw the stuff in the back of the station wagon and took off.
01:40:15.000We have flashlights in the building the night before while surveillance is being held on the building.
01:40:21.000They've got flashlights going around inside the building the night before at 2 and 3 o'clock in the morning.
01:40:26.000That's right, there's surveillance on the building because people are going to federal courthouses and places like Denver and they're going to blow the Murrow building up in the next month.
01:40:34.000Oh, there's no doubt there was surveillance on the building that day.
01:40:36.000You've got guys who witnessed people coming out on the sidewalk and holding hoops over their head like hula hoops and turning around like they're trying to do directional finding on a tracking device.
01:40:45.000All this stuff is going on the night before.
01:40:47.000In that morning, you've got, and I saw the photograph myself in court, you've got a UPS truck that drives up to the front of the building and does a delivery and then drives off, and you've got the two guys in blue jogging suits that run out and hold the parking place for McVeigh to drive up in and you've got the two guys in blue jogging suits that run out and hold the parking place for McVeigh to drive up in front of because he's parked a block okay I saw the surveillance photograph of the UPS truck parked in front of the building just before nine o'clock.
01:41:17.000And again, Colonel Roberts, you don't just wander in the federal buildings planting explosives unless you're authorized.
01:41:25.000Well, either that or you've got really terrible security.
01:41:27.000But go back to what I just said, because it always goes over everybody's head.
01:41:48.000Now, I mean, but, so this doesn't go over people's heads.
01:41:51.000And I'm not being like, oh, folks, you're stupid.
01:41:53.000I mean, so we, so this really burns into our brains.
01:41:57.000We've got this high-level BATF officer assigned to the National Security Council, there, who's been doing a test, blowing up truck bombs, in the year before this, there, doesn't live there, on the scene, and he's the guy that calls the government and the media saying it's an AMFO bomb.
01:44:12.000It's a cancer, and it builds, and they only recruit the people... You go back to the 60s.
01:44:17.000You go back to some of the CIA operations in the early 60s.
01:44:21.000And you find people who have no compunction against running drugs in the United States, being used by our own school children, if they can make money to fight communism.
01:44:30.000We can go back to, I think it was Team 101 of the OSS, in World War II.
01:44:35.000It was led by E. Howard Hunt, and they had Lucian Conine on it, and Paul Helliwell, and Mitch Warbell, and some of these guys.
01:44:40.000They were running opium in World War II in the Golden Triangle to support the Kuomintang Army under General Chiang Kai-shek.
01:44:47.000And they justified that because, well, it's war.
01:44:50.000And during the Vietnam War, it's recruits from the same bunch that ran the Golden Triangle through the 60s, 70s, 80s, and probably still do today, through the Golden Triangle, on all the opium coming out now, and all that stuff's ending up in the veins of European and American youth.
01:45:08.000The same bunch that runs both the Cali and Medellin cartels, and all of that cocaine comes into the country.
01:45:14.000We go back and we look at the stuff that came through back in the 80s during the Reagan administration, when George Bush Sr.
01:45:19.000was Vice President, and we follow that down through MENA with Clinton, down to Noriega, and the whole Iran-Contra thing, and it was exposed.
01:45:59.000It's like a viral infection or a bacterial infection.
01:46:02.000I like how you use the microscopic example.
01:46:05.000And, you know, these diseases don't know how to stop.
01:46:08.000They keep spreading and finally even kill the host!
01:46:11.000Well, and that's exactly what's happening right now.
01:46:14.000Our government is not what it used to be.
01:46:16.000The host is being killed by cancer within it.
01:46:19.000We've got organizations in our government that run drugs, that launder money, that have hit teams.
01:46:25.000This has been shown through history over and over and over again.
01:46:28.000And when it gets exposed, it's like the deal that happened in California where They said that we've got evidence that the CIA has been running drugs into the streets of Los Angeles.
01:46:39.000And the CIA comes back and says, well, we investigated that and we found ourselves innocent.
01:47:07.000Colonel, you know, I look at this, and then I look at the average cop on the street who's compartmentalized.
01:47:13.000And here in Austin, they're having checkpoints all week, just randomly searching vehicles.
01:47:18.000And I hear them on the radio going, well, it may violate the Fourth Amendment, but we've got to do this to stop crime.
01:47:23.000I mean, so you kill America to save America, but then you let the government itself bring the drugs in to create the crisis to begin with?
01:47:30.000I mean, what would you say to those police that are getting these federal dollars to run these checkpoints all over the country?
01:47:36.000Well, of course, my first question is what happened to the laws that I was trained at the police academy that you can't stop a vehicle without probable cause or reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.
01:47:46.000You can't just stop a vehicle because you don't like its color or because you're going to stop the next ten vehicles and see if there's any bad guys inside.
01:47:54.000You know, so a stop is a form of arrest.
01:47:57.000A form of arrest has to have probable cause.
01:48:24.000And we go by them because they say, well, it's in the IRS regulations.
01:48:27.000Well, regulations have to do with organizations.
01:48:30.000It doesn't have to do with the people itself.
01:48:35.000What's happened is we are not taught in our schools anymore on constitutional law and on rights and laws like we were 30 years ago.
01:48:43.000So the kids growing up today just go along with it because big brother is out there to help you, and he says you're supposed to do it and you're not supposed to question it.
01:48:49.000I wrote a huge article on newswithviews.com about the TSA and the way the airport Nazis treat everybody when you try to get on an airplane now.
01:48:58.000We're being conditioned to line up like a bunch of ducks and just say, yes sir, yes sir, three bags full, high diddle diddle, walk up the middle, Don't bother anybody.
01:49:07.000Put your hands in the air, turn around, spread your legs, and go on with life.
01:49:11.000And by the way, I'm sure you've heard...
01:49:13.000I'm sure you've heard, now the TSA is being dispatched to the inauguration in other cities.
01:49:19.000They're going to train police how to quote, profile people with behavioral sciences, and then they're going to have this all over the streets, all over the roads now, Colonel.
01:49:28.000Well, and they're told they're not supposed to profile terrorists because it's not politically correct, you know?
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01:53:05.000All right, we're about to go to the callers that are patiently holding, Alan, Roger, Steve, Ron, and others. - Before we do that, we're going to have Greg Roberts with us into the next hour, along with, of course, Jack McClam, police and military against the New World Order.
01:53:23.000It should be for very informative and interesting listening.
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01:54:46.000We're about to go to Alan and others, but Craig, you've written quite a few great books, some of them bestsellers.
01:54:52.000People can go to RifleWarrior.com and learn more.
01:54:55.000How else can they find out about your books?
01:54:58.000You can go to my website, like you mentioned, and you can go to any bookstore, and most of them are available now after a huge battle that's taken years to keep it on the computer.
01:55:09.000Any special order department can order the Medusafile or Killzone.
01:55:14.000Those are the main ones we've got out right now.
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01:55:33.000Great bunch of stories, great bunch of guys.
01:55:44.000And Mr. Roberts, what happened April 19, 1995, we lost quite a bit there in that there was a lot of movement and resistance to any world governance.
01:55:55.000And I have here a copy of a resolution by the Legislature of Oklahoma that was done in 1994.
01:56:02.000I'd like to read just a little bit of it.
01:56:06.000Now, be it resolved by the House representing Second Session's 44th Oklahoma Legislature that the United States Congress is hereby memorialized to, and number four, cease any support for the establishment of a new world order or any form of global government, that the United States Congress is hereby memorialized to refrain from taking any further steps towards the economic or political merger United States into a war body.
01:57:15.000You know, we chased afterwards, the big conundrum in this thing was all of a sudden, you know, we're chasing Middle Easterners, and that's what our eyewitnesses talked about, and then here all of a sudden it switches over to the militia, and the right wing, and Pat Robertson, and Rush Limbaugh, and radio talk shows, and all this stuff, and we chase that back, and it goes to the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the ADL, and it makes you leave with a benign grip.
01:57:57.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:58:01.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:58:09.000All right, my friends, into this third and final hour of this worldwide edition, the 13th day of January 05.
01:58:16.000We're talking to Colonel Craig Roberts.
01:58:19.000We've got Jack McClam, Police and Military Against the New World Order, coming on, and obviously loaded phone lines here.
01:58:24.000A whole host of other issues now I want to get into with our guest.
01:58:28.000But Allen N. in Kansas was bringing up a really important point.
01:58:33.000He was talking about how Oklahoma passed a law saying we're not going along with the new world order instructing congress that uh... in washington that they better not go along with it and shortly after there was a huge movement against the u n the new world order everybody was waking up is that there was a huge awakening happening and boom oklahoma city and then it gets blamed on the patriots and then clearly we have government operatives there at the scene uh... clearly involved Anything else you wanted to add, Allen?
01:59:01.000Well, you talk about now seeing people wake up, and what I'm trying to say by bringing this up again is during this time in 1994, we had people go to meetings of a thousand, three thousand, I was one of the three to four thousand with people meeting there and discussing these matters about world governance, and there was quite a bit of resistance to world governance at the time, and it was building.
01:59:25.000On April 19, 1995, that resistance was quieted.
01:59:30.000Because day one, Bill Clinton came out and said it's the evil right-wingers, those who believe in a world government.
01:59:38.000Craig Roberts was just talking about this in the last hour, but Jack McClam, I think we're having an even bigger awakening right now, and I think the danger of the globalists carrying out more attacks is higher than ever.
02:00:02.000What do you think about the callers' point of there was a big movement against the New World Order, they passed a law in Oklahoma, and then a few months later they get a building blown up?
02:00:13.000Yes, that certainly did hurt the awakening across the nation, at least those who were willing to stand up.
02:00:21.000We had a lot of guys ducked for cover over that, and it's too bad.
02:00:25.000But you know, it's always been that way.
02:00:27.000As Colonel Roberts knows, when the bullets start flying and the blood starts running, you begin to see who's going to be with you and who's not going to be with you.
02:00:38.000There's so many of these alleged patriots that were all standing behind podiums and waving flags until then, and then all of a sudden they became scarce commodities.
02:00:49.000And what's interesting, Alex, let's go back in time a little bit, rewind the tape here, from 1992 or 1993 up until 1995 there was another phenomenon that was occurring besides militias being formed and all kinds of self-defense forces being contemplated and organized and so on.
02:01:08.000Gun shows were growing and people were buying ammunition because they were so afraid of what the liberals were doing in Washington and so afraid of the Clintons and the globalists and so on They were buying ammunition.
02:01:19.000They were buying pallet loads of ammunition.
02:01:23.000They were buying every gun they could get their hands on.
02:01:25.000I saw the Wanamaker Show on Tulsa, the biggest gun show in the world, where people were coming in with hand carts, buying stuff, field gear and rations.
02:01:34.000It looked like they were equipping for war right there.
02:01:40.000On the 5th of April of 1995, against the Brady Bunch and against the Omnibus Crime Control Act that year and so on, in my police uniform, which I got in trouble for, but so be it.
02:01:54.000And when I was in Washington, I was up there for three or four days, and I was escorted around to all kinds of different functions and cocktail parties and so on to talk to the bigwigs.
02:02:01.000And this is an interview with a congressman and all of that.
02:02:04.000And I found that, when I mentioned, do you guys realize what's happening out in the real world?
02:02:08.000Do you understand that people out here, the average honest citizen is getting together and having meetings and forming militia units and arming themselves with teeth because they fear you, they fear the government.
02:02:17.000And they looked at me with this blind look and said, what are you talking about?
02:02:21.000Well, you know, I think to this day, though, they're in their ivory towers and they don't know that what was going on then, it's 50 times that, because most of it's underground.
02:02:29.000Jack McClam, I want to get your take on this when we get back.
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02:06:16.000We're talking to Colonel Craig Roberts and, of course, Jack McClam, police and military against the New World Order.
02:06:22.000Jack, the points that the caller and Craig were just making...
02:06:27.000Again, in the decade I've been fighting the globalists, I have never seen people waking up so fast.
02:06:32.000I've never seen the public listening and believing and checking out what I'm saying on other people's talk shows, on talk shows where the talk show host attacks me.
02:06:42.000I mean, we're really seeing an awakening here.
02:06:49.000We deal with mostly military and law enforcement here, but that is very, very true.
02:06:55.000My email especially, even from out of the country, from soldiers, and of course police officers too, many serving in the Middle East right now and other places, are awakening.
02:07:06.000We have more and more soldiers taking a stand and saying they're not going to go back and fight this war for oil, war for Israel over there.
02:07:19.000In the law enforcement military area, we have letters coming in from police officers, I have two right here in front of me, saying no to tyranny and saying no to allowing the feds to come into the county and use them to take property without due process.
02:07:35.000I mean, there's an awakening in law enforcement, the military, and in the private sector like we've never seen either.
02:07:42.000Well, what's going to happen, though, in the next year?
02:07:48.000Well, I think it's going to be more of the same as far as what you're talking about, as far as people waking up.
02:07:54.000I'm running into people now when I do seminars and talk shows and so on, that before, you know, two or three years ago, they had their head in the sand.
02:08:08.000And now they're coming back and saying, gee, you were right.
02:08:10.000I had, you know, several years ago, back in 96, 95, 94, right in there, Well, after 95, when I started really digging into Oklahoma City bombing and writing reports no one wanted to see, our own Special Investigation Division assigned an officer to watch me.
02:08:26.000And I was branded as a liability, a nutcase, a loose cannon, and so on and so forth.
02:08:35.000Two years ago, one of those guys that was in Special Investigations at the time came to me and said, you know what, they had a meeting last week.
02:08:42.000And they pulled out your old files and they said, you know, the only thing Roberts was was ahead of his time.
02:08:47.000He told us about stuff and we didn't believe it.
02:08:51.000So, that was kind of a... I felt pretty good that some of those guys woke up because they were about the hardest cases to wake up you could run into.
02:08:58.000So if they're waking up, there's got to be, you know, patrol officers out here that are doing the same thing.
02:09:02.000Well, I want to ask Jack McClam about this because his organization, probably no one out there interfaces more with law enforcement, peace officers, the military.
02:09:11.000You know, a lot of these guys and gals, they're not bad people, they're good people, so they've made psychological excuses for what they're doing, violating the Bill of Rights and Constitution, and because they're good, they can't imagine that they're compartmentalized in a structure that's doing bad, and they can't imagine that superiors would be bad.
02:09:29.000Have you found that's part of the psychological problem?
02:09:33.000It certainly is, but I'll tell you what, More and more of these soldiers and police officers are seeing through it because they're actually getting involved in it in their own areas.
02:09:44.000We have, like I say, two letters here of police officers taking an active part of standing up and saying no to things they're being told to do, orders and so forth.
02:09:57.000And we had Sergeant Kevin Venderman on twice yesterday on my two radio programs.
02:10:03.000You know about him saying no, he's not going to go back.
02:10:08.000And he was talking about the rifles don't even work.
02:10:11.000Yes, and of course he and his squad was told by their commander to shoot the children if they threw rocks at them and they refused to do it.
02:10:19.000I heard him telling a story about there's a kid bringing them an RPG to show them where a cache is and normally the child would be killed but he was just showing them where the cache was, a ten year old.
02:10:29.000Yes, and he was basically felt that he should shoot this kid But he hesitated long enough for the kid to show him that he was just showing him the weapon and showed him where cash and weapons were.
02:10:42.000So there's more of these soldiers we're hearing from all the time now and law enforcement too that are seeing through this and I think it's because of all the information going out there like on your show Alex and all the publications and they're beginning to think twice now.
02:11:00.000Maybe some of this could be true that we're hearing about.
02:11:03.000And so we're finding that they're beginning to ask questions.
02:11:06.000Well, this is what I wanted to bring it down to.
02:11:09.000Six months from now, a year and a half from now, we wake up, a major city's been hit by a suitcase nuke, smallpox has been released, they're declaring a lockdown for your safety, they're telling us our freedoms are out the window for now, but of course the border will stay wide open.
02:11:26.000Do you gentlemen, both of you, see this happening, A, and B, how do you see it playing out?
02:11:35.000Well, I think, and I've been predicting this for a long time, I am totally surprised that they haven't launched a nuke someplace already, some suitcase nuke someplace.
02:11:42.000And Alex, there's two things going on right now that you need to be made aware of.
02:11:46.000One is is they've been briefing on what ifs on the suitcase nukes.
02:11:53.000What if they did one Monday, another one Tuesday, another one Wednesday, and on Thursday said, you surrender or else we keep doing this.
02:11:59.000Well, number one, all the cities are gonna panic.
02:12:02.000People are gonna flood the countryside.
02:12:03.000No one's going to want to stay inside of the city.
02:12:05.000The whole country's going to collapse.
02:12:06.000It's going to bring everything to a standstill.
02:12:07.000If you throw some anthrax or plague or something, virus on top of that, or smallpox, then what you've got is a giant population reduction program underway.
02:13:04.000Last night they did a show on, it wasn't a show, it was on our local news right here, about there's been like 15 of these incidents that have been reported in the last 90 days.
02:13:13.000Well, they never were reported before, and these people don't all know each other, so who are they?
02:13:19.000They came on, they said there's nothing to it.
02:13:28.000They know that something's going to happen.
02:13:30.000I'm telling you right now, the first time that we lose a civilian airliner coming out of some inland state, to a shoulder-launch SAM, and then another one in another city, the air industry is dead in this country for all intents and purposes.
02:13:43.000And once that's dead, also the air cargo industry, and once the air cargo industry is dead, and FedEx and UPS and all this stuff doesn't fly anymore, and the post office doesn't fly anymore, and you're shutting down the entire country just with one business, and that's aviation.
02:14:07.000It's got to come because you see, everything that the Bush crime family and these internationalists have to get done has to get done through sheer terror.
02:14:17.000And we know that we keep getting military people talking to us about their hearing from their sources that the draft is coming maybe June, maybe even before that.
02:14:28.000And to sell the American people on These type of things and also to stop Alex Jones and all these people broadcasting and sending out publications that are waking so many.
02:14:41.000It's a geometric progression today that they've got to stop.
02:14:43.000They've got to have more terrorism and it's got to be bad.
02:14:47.000It's got to be so bad that when they suspend the Constitution and the First Amendment, surely to stop all of us and to sell the draft that the American people will say, well, the government's here to help us and we've got to go along with it.
02:15:01.000We also feel that there'll be a push if they can kill a hundred thousand to a half a million Americans or more in this next one.
02:15:11.000There will probably, we've had some very good sources say that they will try to say that, listen, all the terrorists out there have weapons, they have guns, so we're asking the good citizens to turn in their weapons so that we will know who the bad citizens are, who the bad guys are.
02:15:26.000So there's going to be a lot of push this year we believe to very serious terrorism attacks on America because they have to have it.
02:15:35.000They can't tell the American people on these type of things unless they have total fear and panic in the street.
02:15:51.000Kind of unrelated to the current topic, just the previous ones, unless you want to put me in the back of the bus for later or take another call.
02:15:57.000Yeah, the notion that poverty breeds revolver violence is really a fallacy.
02:16:02.000It's been generated internally only in the most rare, exceptional circumstance.
02:16:08.000If only because the impoverished are always too weak to rebel without being squashed.
02:16:13.000So the real truth is that the so-called successful revolts are almost always engineered, as you've pointed out, from the top down.
02:16:20.000I was kind of having too much fun with John, I think, the almost honest communist, when he kept choking, jumping past the installation era of Fidel Castro.
02:16:32.000When I tried to pin him down on who installed Castro, he kept jumping to the ostensible remover.
02:16:41.000Roberts, McClam, for people who don't get this, can you, in a nutshell, and then after the break, explain the false dialectic and how the globalists control fascism and communism?
02:16:53.000Craig, why don't you take that right now quickly?
02:16:55.000Well, yeah, you've got the same ballplayers.
02:16:59.000It goes all the way back to the original Bauer plan, which was control both sides of a conflict and it doesn't matter who wins or loses because they both end up in your debt and you end up in charge.
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02:22:16.000I want to go back to your calls here, but Jack, before the break, we were talking about the false left-right paradigm and how this confuses people.
02:22:29.000Our Law Enforcement Military Association have been finding that.
02:22:34.000This has been 60 years of it that we've tracked here in the United States.
02:22:39.000Almost every institution is controlled by the Hegelian dialectic, and especially through this new consensus process.
02:22:48.000Well, it's not new, but that is a part of the Hegelian dialectic where they create problems and then they come up with solutions that people wouldn't have accepted had they not created the problem to begin with.
02:23:00.000So our whole nation is controlled by this process.
02:23:04.000The Republican Socialist Party and Democratic Socialist Party.
02:23:08.000There's no difference, but you're supposed to think there is.
02:23:10.000And so, yeah, it's completely throughout our whole system today.
02:23:17.000Well, a lot of these so-called conservatives don't want to hear about Bush appointing all these pro-abortion people, anti-gun people, Mecha members.
02:23:24.000They'll call me a liberal for being against what Bush is doing.
02:23:32.000Well, you know, he's part of the same group as the rest of them.
02:23:35.000He was a skull and bones guy, just like Kerry and a lot of the others, and Scroll and Key and all of that bunch.
02:23:41.000It all goes back to, through the CFR to the Royal Society for International Affairs, the Globalist Roundtable Group in London, whose simple deal is very simple.
02:23:52.000We take the third world countries and by redistribution of the wealth from the first world countries, bring them up to second world status.
02:23:59.000Most people haven't even heard of second world status.
02:24:01.000We take the first world countries and we reduce them through treaties, through trade agreements, NAFTA, GATT.
02:24:07.000We allow free immigration across the borders.
02:24:09.000We redistribute their companies and corporations overseas.
02:24:13.000We bring them down to second world status.
02:24:15.000Now, at that time, when all of those countries are on the same ball of wax, they're totally disarmed, they're all in line, the population's been reduced, We have the New World Order.
02:24:23.000We're in charge, they're the worker beasts, we're the elite, we profit.
02:24:55.000Would you finish that thought, Colonel Robert?
02:24:58.000Well, where I was going with that is somebody needs to investigate to find out where the money's going on the manufacturing of Humvees, and where the money's going on all the modifications, all the improvements, and all the armor.
02:25:10.000Because what we found out a lot of times when this happens, it doesn't have anything to do with product improvement.
02:25:15.000It doesn't have anything to do with troop safety or need.
02:25:17.000It has to do with who makes the money off the contracts.
02:25:20.000And I think that's where we need to look at.
02:25:21.000I haven't had time to do it myself yet.
02:25:24.000I've been too busy fighting to get the M113 pulled out of mothballs and sent over there.
02:25:58.000Now I see last week that finally they've decided to start sending some of them over there.
02:26:03.000And I think it's because of all the pressure we've put on.
02:26:05.000Okay, now my last comment is Well, whatever happened to you and where is, and I'm sure you're aware of this, gentlemen, whatever happened to you and where is Colonel Bo Greif?
02:26:15.000Well, you know, I think that Jack is the one to answer that the best because I haven't kept up with Bo lately and I think Jack probably has his finger on that.
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02:30:46.000The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.
02:30:52.000Because there's a war on for your mind.
02:30:55.000Alright, Jack's going to be leaving us here in about 15 minutes.
02:31:02.000He's got to get out his newsletter of this month's great issue.
02:31:06.000And we're going to have Craig with us for the rest of the hour.
02:31:08.000I'm going to take just three more calls from Ron.
02:31:12.000Ellen, and who's that caller in Florida that was next?
02:31:15.000Jeremiah, and I'm sorry to the others.
02:31:18.000That's all we have time for because I've got some other news items I want to raise and bring up here.
02:31:22.000But first off, Jack McClain, tell folks about your website and tell them about your Aiden Abett newsletter.
02:31:30.000Okay, the easiest thing to do, I understand I haven't done it, but if you just put Officer Jack McClain in a search and push the button, you'll come up with our website, which is policeandmilitaryagainstthenewworldorder.com or .org.
02:31:46.000But you have to put a hyphen between each word.
02:31:49.000It's better just to put Jack McLam, Officer Jack McLam, push the search engine and you'll get to our website.
02:31:55.000If people would like to get copies of our police and military publication, Alex, on constitutional issues, just write to us here at HC11.
02:32:06.000That's like Hotel Charlie 11, Box 357, like the good old Magnum I carry on duty.
02:32:41.000Now, I want to just throw news articles out at both of you before we take a few final calls, and I want to get your quick response or take on it.
02:32:47.000We talked about this in the last hour.
02:32:50.000The American Free Press, OKC bombshell implicates Feds and Murrah Blast.
02:32:54.000We knew they were doing tests of blowing up trucks and cars.
02:32:57.000The very BATF officer that was over this for the National Security Council, for Bill Clinton personally, Harry Everhart was there on the ground outside the building when the bomb went off, and he's the one that called it in, saying it was an ANFO bomb.
02:33:13.000That's pretty obvious, is it not, Jack?
02:33:17.000I'll tell you, that thing stinks all the way through, as Greg can tell you.
02:33:20.000I mean, there's nothing that works for that situation.
02:33:25.000Alex, back years ago, We were the ones, our police team, that went to Arkansas from nine different states to reinvestigate the execution of Sheriff Dean Matthews and Gordon Call.
02:33:36.000We were able to find out the truth of who killed who, how Gordon Call and the Sheriff were executed, because they left the crime scene there.
02:33:45.000And so, ever since then, they've always removed the crime scenes within days after they do one of their things, like Oklahoma City and the Waco Holocaust down there.
02:33:55.000They always go in Remove the crime scene.
02:34:28.000They never even arrived in the hangar.
02:34:30.000When they were pulled out of the water, they were taken someplace else because one of them had taken a missile hit right in the side of it and was burned up.
02:34:38.000Uh, which has since disappeared, amazingly.
02:34:40.000But, uh, the Oklahoma City bombing, you get rid of the evidence, but you don't just, they didn't just tear the building down.
02:34:45.000They, they, they buried it, uh, and then they put a fence around it, and then they put security guards on it, so you couldn't even go there to dig up pieces of it.
02:34:53.000And it, which leads me to believe there's some radiation involved in that thing.
02:35:23.000Ergonomics today, they want to make a law where all cars have an infrared camera videotaping you via a cell phone back to the police department.
02:35:32.000They're saying that they're going to have toll roads on all the major streets.
02:36:07.000Well, yeah, and they've... When I saw a map that they had done, That broke the United States down into every single county on one map!
02:36:18.000And said, we can go in to each of these little tiny squares, these little counties, and we can further break these down into 10 meter grid squares.
02:36:28.000Not 100 meter, but 10 meter grid squares for searches, or for identification, or for locating anything, and then we can home in on that by satellite, or other means.
02:36:39.000You know, that was pretty frightening that they were even thinking about doing something like that, because who would care?
02:36:43.000Who would care about 10 feet in your backyard?
02:36:46.000And have it on a map and have it programmed into computers so that they could go there within seconds with some type of imaging device or whatever.
02:36:57.000You know, that's pretty frightening when they want that amount of control over every piece of real estate at every cost.
02:37:02.000And it just came out, what we knew years ago, they're going to have yearly census and they're going to try to make you answer all these questions when you have a Fifth Amendment and they're going to take all these integrated databases and put them into the Census Department.
02:38:12.000When you understand who the Who the crime families are that control this nation, they're perfect for a totalitarian system.
02:38:20.000I just had an interview with the leader of the Patriot Freedom Movement in New Zealand just a few days ago, Leo Hellyer, and he's talking about something we need to talk more about in America here, Alex, and that is water control.
02:38:35.000Down there, they are GPSing their wells.
02:38:39.000They've now started locking down their wells.
02:38:42.000Same thing's going on in England, Canada, and now here.
02:38:45.000That's right, and they've just come up here trying to GPS our wells in our Christian constitutional communities.
02:38:51.000We ran them off, and the sheriff's backing us and saying, you can't come on their properties unless you're invited.
02:38:57.000But he said that they're now metering the wells down there, and they've actually locked down some of the wells.
02:39:03.000Of course, what happens in Australia and New Zealand, the same thing begins to happen here and it's starting right now in America doing these same things.
02:39:12.000Well, they're also metering wells all over Colorado.
02:39:15.000I just got back from there and there's people up in the mountains in Colorado that are saying if they come up here we're going to shoot them.
02:39:23.000They're really pushing the edge of the envelope with some of these people out in this part of the country.
02:39:27.000It may go over well in some areas back east around California but you get out in the Midwest and run into some of the backwoods areas like the one I live in and there's going to be problems.
02:39:36.000I'll tell you what, the guys aren't coming on our property now but one thing we have to remember years and years ago The BOR, the Soviet BOR spy named Henry Kissinger, said to control nations you control oil, to control people you control food, but what better way to control the people that control the water that grows the food and keeps people alive?
02:40:15.000Yeah, guys, I'd like to hit several points real quick and let you respond when I get off.
02:40:20.000First off, the Daily Oklahoman reported after the bombing that a ATF agent and a DEA agent claimed to be trapped in an elevator at the Murrow bombing.
02:40:35.000Apparently, the government offered anyone there in the building at the time, any government employee, early retirement.
02:40:40.000The DEA guy asked for early retirement, yet Fire Rescue said when they got to that particular elevator, there was no one in it.
02:40:48.000Also, how much vested interest does the County Sheriff and the OCPD have in keeping quiet on this?
02:40:56.000Also, the Russians used Muslim troops from the provinces for craft control in Russia because the Russians wouldn't shoot on Russians.
02:41:05.000And finally, a female U.S. Army officer has recently been brought up on charges for letting the U.S. Army troops salvage Humvee parts from a salvage yard in Kuwait.
02:41:17.000Is that because of the DU or because of the money involved?
02:41:26.000We could do a whole show here, in fact three or four of them.
02:41:30.000There was nobody in that elevator and those guys lied about it.
02:41:34.000The elevator company went and inspected it and that elevator did not free fall.
02:41:37.000They didn't get hurt in it and they went up to Dr. Chumley afterwards and said we want you to Uh, you know, write a medical report and bandage me up and say that I was hurt in an elevator when that didn't happen.
02:42:15.000They're still out running around, and they backed down when they were faced by the elevator company in court and said that, no, this didn't happen, and all of a sudden that whole line just went away.
02:42:25.000Because they were getting problems because they were all out of the building, and it told police who were told not to come in So, thank you for the call.
02:42:33.000I want to get some final comments here from Jack McClam, but to bring up another issue, there was a military officer down in Louisiana unloading coffins with flags on them, and the family wanted everybody to see the sacrifice, and the military officer, I've got the reporter, just said, look, I don't care what the Pentagon tells me, we're going to show people these coffins.
02:42:52.000That really shows that there's some rebellion going on there.
02:42:58.000In talking to Kevin Venderman, he says that There's almost whole squads that are going AWOL right now and not going back to Iraq after they've been there the first time.
02:43:09.000So there are some good things happening.
02:43:11.000We've got some great soldiers and police officers that love God and freedom who are standing up today and private citizens by the millions, I think.
02:43:39.000Is that going to keep the globalists from going in to these other countries?
02:43:42.000Or are we going to see another, as PNAC said, helpful terrorist event to get the people behind this expanded war?
02:43:49.000Well, you know, there's two or three different scenarios that could play out, and there's always more than one plan on the table.
02:43:55.000One of them is to link all of the support for the terrorists that are in Iraq today to Iran, and in order to shut off their logistical supply base, we've got to go into Iran.
02:44:10.000Syria would be easier to take than Iran would be, except Iran has... By the way, they've already announced, just like with Cambodia, our troops have already been in Syria for months, and now they're going to start more public attacks.
02:44:25.000The other thing is, of course, get the rest of the world involved too.
02:44:28.000Bring in all the UN and go the Somalia route.
02:44:31.000There's just so many scenarios that could be played out because what you've got is you've got a monopoly set and you've got all these players on the board.
02:44:38.000Which one are you going to move first?
02:44:41.000There's a limited number of options, but there are more than one option out there.
02:44:45.000And I think that's what we're going to have to look at.
02:44:49.000I think they're going to play the part of the good cop.
02:44:51.000I think that they're going to be called into this thanks sooner or later and we're going to have people like Germany and Italy and who all playing greater parts and things.
02:45:00.000The problem is, what I don't want to see is those guys coming over here policing our streets.
02:45:05.000Well, that's the plan as you know, Greg.
02:45:21.000I mean, how many reports of this have you gotten, Jack?
02:45:24.000Well, a lot of these reports, because we're totally taking all the fighting men and women out of this nation, the National Guard, the Reserves, the Army, of course, and during the VA, the Veterans Administration, or Veterans, Holiday that just passed.
02:45:41.000There was no military equipment to use in the parades here.
02:45:44.000They're totally denuding this nation of any fighting machinery or people.
02:45:49.000So, when the next terrorism goes on, folks, let me tell you, the American people will accept foreign troops, supervising them for their own safety.
02:46:00.000Hard to believe, but the Pentagon's been training for over a decade to do this, and acclimating our troops to go along with it.
02:46:07.000It's got to be a huge attack, though, to get the people to accept it.
02:47:15.000We've got military bases all over the place that house people we're training.
02:47:19.000You go to Fort Polk, Louisiana on Operation Cooperative, Project Cooperative Nugget, and we're teaching them how to go door-to-door and take away guns.
02:47:26.000There's an Air Force base, too, just loaded with foreign troops over there.
02:47:42.000I got the internal documents on the Texas Guard itself, and over it is a former SAS British officer, and he's over these domestic takeover units, and it is for domestic control.
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02:55:32.000Oh yeah, we went in the end, but we're going to go through a lot of trials and tribulations, and the whole war is going to be fought by a handful of people.
02:55:38.000I mean that's just the way it's always been, and we have to know that.
02:55:41.000The thing about it is, our job is to be messengers.
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02:55:48.000But you know, French author Emile Zola said this.
02:55:50.000He said, if you shut up the truth and bury it under the ground, it will but grow and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through, it will blow up everything in its way.
02:56:01.000And I think that's what's happening now.
02:56:02.000They try to bury the truth and it's going to grow.