In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, Alex Jones talks about 9/11 and how the establishment is using a whole host of tricks to cover up the truth about the events of September 11th, 2001. Big Brother. Big Government. Big Lies. Big Cover-ups. Big Business. Big Politics. Big Money. Big Power.
00:01:02.000And the big hit piece that is coming out, we have an advanced copy, that is coming out next week in Popular Mechanics, and it illustrates how the establishment carries out their propaganda actions on a host of fronts.
00:01:20.000So, this will kind of be a lesson in how the establishment builds up straw men.
00:01:34.000They play a lot of silly little tricks.
00:01:37.000And being conscious of those tricks, you'll find them pulling it on toll roads in your area, or on taxes, or on your school policies, or on the war in Iraq, or a hundred other issues.
00:01:51.000They have the same handbook, the same system.
00:01:55.000And you can always tell when it's got the mark of a Pentagon on it.
00:02:01.000Because they follow... it's... you can guess what they're going to write next.
00:02:15.000military is to beam its own news coverage to millions of Americans.
00:02:19.000Moving on from its phase of embedding journalists, or as some would say, a policy of restricting and controlling the flow of information, the Pentagon will now produce and disseminate the news itself.
00:02:34.000Now, two years ago they announced, two and a half years ago, time is flying, oh, we're going to have the Pentagon Office of Strategic Influence and we're going to lie to you!
00:02:45.000And then, that was the end of the report.
00:05:01.000Hey folks, Alex Jones here, announcing the release of my most comprehensive documentary exposing the New World Order's orchestration of the September 11th attacks yet.
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00:08:39.000Thank you for joining us today on this Thursday edition.
00:08:43.000We're going to be, of course, taking your phone calls throughout the broadcast today and we've got a special guest coming up to talk about some of the latest 9-11 information and the government spin coming out of some of their shoddier uh...
00:09:01.000little organs so you do not want to miss that in the second hour the toll free number to join us one eight hundred two five nine ninety two thirty one one eight hundred two five nine nine two three one of course the website all freshly updated for you daily multiple times daily by the way are in the full wars dot com prison planet dot com and prison planet dot tv
00:09:29.000If you're joining us for the first time, you're wondering, what's this broadcast about?
00:09:54.000And they're giving us national ID cards, they are de-industrializing us, their public plan is to only let us have one child, their public plan is to forcibly drug at least half the population by 2010, and yes, even put microchips under our skin forcibly, and by 2025, to forcibly put brain chips in our brain.
00:10:16.000That's the Army's own report, and I had a top professor on earlier this week saying how great it is, and admitting he knows about the military reports.
00:10:36.000Over 50 species of part human, part pig, part human, part spider, part human, part chimpanzee.
00:10:44.000That's just the stuff they're admitting that's going on.
00:10:46.000You notice they're not showing you images of the creatures on the news.
00:10:51.000And there's kind of a reality gap, though.
00:10:53.000I mean, I have people email me and walk up to me on the street occasionally and, Alex, you're a liar, there's no black box in my car.
00:11:02.000Or, Alex, you're a liar, there's no New World Order.
00:11:05.000Or, really delusional stuff, like, Alex, you're a liar, there's no cross-species genetic engineering creations.
00:11:17.000I mean, I've told this story probably ten times to the guy who walked up to me a couple years ago.
00:11:22.000When I was at Coney Inn's Pizza, Chicago's called Pizza, they got here in Austin.
00:11:26.000Picking up a pizza, and a guy walks over, kind of pokes me in the back, and I turn around, and he goes, I used to listen to you for years, I believe you, but not after I saw your TV show the other night.
00:11:37.000You were saying there's creatures that are part goat, part spider, and you're a liar!
00:12:10.000Because I come on the air and I talk about this stuff and people are living in the past, folks.
00:12:16.000And they won't even check out what I have to say.
00:12:19.000And then when they finally do see it on the news, telling them how great it is, I see some of these people on the street again and they go, okay, it's true, but it's good!
00:12:35.000Enjoy record trade deficits, enjoy them telling you how great the economy is as it gets worse and worse according to all the real economic indexes and indicators that we have.
00:12:53.000And I, last night in the parking lot of the TV station, One of my oldest conservative friends here in town, a guy who's been arrested at pro-life demonstrations and spent months in jail for it, a really good guy, I just said, you know, I hear you guys on talk radio, and he works on talk radio, I go, I hear you guys on talk radio saying how Bush is really cutting the budget and how conservative it is.
00:13:18.000And I go, it's not true, it's $2.6 trillion!
00:13:22.000Bill Clinton's biggest budget was $1.7 trillion.
00:13:25.000And he goes, well, you've got to start somewhere.
00:13:32.000And I said, by the way, I'm going in here tonight on the TV show and I'm going to air 15 minutes of Christians having their arms broken by police on news footage.
00:15:00.000And, uh, it's going all over the country, folks, and it's the anti-war protesters it's happening to, it's conservatives it's happening to.
00:15:08.000Yesterday, a small group of peaceful protesters stood in front, I mean, 80 yards in front, of the Supreme Court building, talking about Abu Ghraib.
00:15:18.000And, uh, they just said, unauthorized protest, and the cops came over and beat them up.
00:15:24.000They'll do it in front of news cameras now, folks.
00:15:27.000But see, it was only acceptable to do it to Christians and conservatives in the late 80s and through the 90s with Butch Reno.
00:17:34.000And the solutions they give you are false.
00:17:36.000So, this guy comes out, and I've got his quotes right here, and he says, the people in the towers were basically little Adolf Eichmanns, and deserved to die, and Al-Qaeda was striking back against the evil abuses of the American Empire, and these people were the central core of the technocracy, the technocrats, to use his term, in there, and that they deserved it.
00:18:00.000Now, I don't think, sir, And I mean, I just really, when people talk like this, and they're a big fat bully like him, I've seen him in action here in Austin.
00:18:10.000I'll tell you more about it when we get back from break, but the point is, the poor single mothers that are trying to pay off their debts from Secretary school, who were in there by the thousands, who loved their children, who just wanted to provide for their family.
00:18:28.000The old janitor, who'd been a Vietnam vet, who was up there sleeping the floors.
00:18:34.000The hundreds of janitors, the firefighters that ran in there to save people, the police officers that went in there to save people.
00:18:40.000Okay, don't you compare them to Nazis, you punk!
00:19:12.000I got a thousand different indicator points on this guy over the years, and I can tell stuff like this, and I'll give you some of the examples why.
00:19:25.000Just like when talk show hosts say, oh, they're subhuman, torture them, or they're just blowing off steam in Abu Ghraib, they're not human, or they're Nazis, they don't have rights.
00:19:34.000It's the same thing we're getting out of the left.
00:19:37.000It's the same thing on the left that cheered.
00:19:39.000We got the video of them cheering as they break women's arms who are standing out front abortion clinics.
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00:24:23.000Okay, you have a rule that we're all human beings, we all deserve dignity, we don't dehumanize any group, We don't torture them, we don't kill them, we don't ever legitimize the mass murder of innocents.
00:24:37.000Whether they're Iraqi children or people in the World Trade Center towers.
00:24:46.000And this is how the globalists play it.
00:24:47.000They understand human nature, you know, primitive tribalist nature.
00:24:51.000You know, kill the other tribe, they're not human, they're animals.
00:24:55.000And so we've got the left with the Ward-Churchills and the rest of them.
00:24:58.000It's a very prominent view that, oh man, praise Al-Qaeda.
00:25:04.000They're just great fighters who stood up against the evil American empire and, you know, they did a wonderful job.
00:25:12.000But wait a minute, Ward-Churchill, you're a Native American activist.
00:25:18.000You get up on TV and radio and in print And you talk about the horrible massacres at Wounded Knee and places of innocence.
00:25:26.000And you know, what of the cavalrymen that were killing those Native American men, women, and children?
00:27:49.000And the Ward Churchills of the world, and the people that put images of hanging troops on their houses, and the people that say and do all of this, you're going to be in control, and you're going to love the tyranny you've got.
00:28:04.000We got a call a few weeks ago, and I was talking about Tony Blakely, talking about getting people and executing them for their political views and what they report on, and a caller called in and said, You know, I've kind of got the Communist view myself.
00:28:43.000Again, the globalists know what they're doing.
00:28:46.000And somebody like Ward Churchill, the worst part about him coming out and saying, the people deserve to die, they're a bunch of Nazis, everybody in the towers are a bunch of Nazis.
00:28:55.000The worst thing he does is act like Al-Qaeda's heroes or something.
00:28:59.000Al-C-I-A-D-A is not some group from caves having NORAD stand down and warning public officials not to fly and doing CIA put options, and you know that, Churchill.
00:29:11.000This punk professor out putting all this out, this bully, and he is a bully, I've seen them in action here locally.
00:29:18.000No, they know exactly what they're doing, see?
00:29:21.000And then that will enrage all the conservatives to find themselves even tighter to Bush and these false policies, meanwhile conditioning the throngs of the left that murdering masses of innocent Americans is somehow heroic for the horrible globalist purges that are coming when they create another fake counter-revolution in the future.
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00:33:11.000The last 20 minutes I've been ranting and raving about Ward Churchill coming out and saying, well, you know, the people that died in the towers, they were basically Nazis and Al-Qaeda's a bunch of heroes.
00:33:25.000Let me try to just condense down why this is so horrible on multiple levels.
00:33:30.000And then we'll go to Abel and Robert and Mike and Tangi and John and others that are patiently holding.
00:33:37.000Then later we do have an expert guest coming on about 9-11 and this I have no doubt Pentagon hit piece put out by Popular Mechanics, and please don't go by the magazine.
00:33:48.000We got an advanced copy through our spies, our sources, but uh... our moles, even within the institutions themselves, but uh... continuing though, I do want to encourage all of you.
00:34:08.000Number one, I made some great videos that are very powerful, informative, dynamic, scary.
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00:34:22.000And secondarily, we need your support.
00:34:23.000I mean, I've got three webmasters and, you know, all the things that we do, and I've already spent, it's coming up on $20,000 on this new film I'm producing.
00:34:56.000It shows you the history of governments blowing up buildings, killing people, blowing up ships, government documents, admitting why they do it, to blame it on enemies.
00:35:08.000Because see, 50, 60, 100, 200 years later, governments will come right out and admit they blew stuff up.
00:35:56.000I mean, Road to Tyranny gives you the facts and covers more than most films do on September 11th, but Masters of Terror is a little over two hours long, and I'd say 70-80% of it is just about 9-11 itself.
00:36:18.000Then there's Police State 3 Total Enslavement.
00:36:21.000And Police State 3 Total Enslavement is 2 hours 44 minutes long, and it's really 4 or 5 films in one.
00:36:27.000I keep saying 3 or 4, it's like 4 or 5.
00:36:28.000I mean, who the globalists are, what the New World Order is, who the neocons are, the false left-right paradigm, what their master plan is, then Patriot Act 1 and 2, Victory Act, Homeland Security, the Casual Society Control Grid, government-run white slavery rings.
00:36:45.000I mean, it really gives you the big picture of any of the films Police State 3 total enslavement is excellent.
00:36:52.000Of course there's Police State 2000, black helicopters burning buildings, foreign troops attacking, fires shooting out.
00:36:57.000We're there with cameras, interviewing police chiefs, throwing them out for attempted bribery, total bedlam.
00:39:02.000Now let me just try to calm down a bit, because I get very upset about this Ward Churchill thing.
00:39:08.000Let me take a delicious drink of coffee, and try to just briefly explain why I'm so angry about this.
00:39:16.000Not just for the reasons you're angry about it, but from a deeper research of Ward Churchill.
00:39:23.000And I'm not saying I know it all, I just uniquely, this is what I do, I study this stuff all the time, and I actually, there was something about this guy about two years ago, I began researching him, quietly, I get feelings about people.
00:39:35.000I got a feeling about Schwarzenegger many years ago.
00:39:37.000I had a bad feeling about Ward Churchill.
00:39:41.000And then I had a chance to see him here in Austin and then read one of his books.
00:40:02.000You know, sometimes I might seem like a bully, but that's just because I get angry and upset about what's happening, but... Ward Churchill came to town and gave a speech, then he went on a show, Veterans for Peace, with Don Darling, here locally.
00:41:03.000And, you know, his spirit isn't right.
00:41:06.000You know, whereas he may look fair, but he felt foul, to use a Lord of the Rings analogy.
00:41:13.000And so then I researched him a little bit more, and I read this essay everybody's talking about, where he says, ah, they're all little Adolf Eichmanns in the towers, and, you know, they all deserve to die, because, you know, they're the technocrats that help, and I just thought about all those firefighters, all of those police, but they're not, they signed on for danger, it's bad enough, they died, but the little ladies, you know, who went in as secretaries, and the people there, you know, the guy working on the lights, and the woman who was the janitor,
00:41:43.000Just, you know, all those people and then all the CEOs were out of the building, literally, at a meeting with Warren Buffett out of Moffett Air Force Base in Nebraska and Bush flies in.
00:42:11.000And basically he's setting things up for future race war in America, and he's legitimizing a kind of red terror in America, something the globalists will control, for the fake left counter-revolution that will come in after Bush is out of office.
00:42:32.000But the worst thing he does is legitimize in the minds of millions of so-called liberals that Al-Qaeda is independent and that Al-Qaeda is heroic when they are properly called Al-Cieda.
00:42:43.000And I had the former head of the CIA's analyst group in the 1980s on yesterday saying, Bin Laden's CIA and our government's probably going to carry out terror attacks.
00:42:54.000There are hundreds of academics and professors saying the government carried it out.
00:43:05.000Oh no, they don't give attention, they give attention to Ward Churchill with this horribly evil statement that is on par, perhaps even worse, than, yeah, them Iraqis are subhumans, kill them all, nuke Fallujah, torture them, yeah, they're not humans, they deserve it.
00:43:26.000I feel the same rage against Churchill that I feel against Wiener and all the rest of them on the other side of this false debate.
00:43:34.000But notice Wiener is an old dirty beatnik from the 60s.
00:43:38.000I mean, you want to read his writings, folks, atop a little commie organizer, you know, in the sixties, and just like the neocons are all Trotskyites who couldn't take over, they became conservatives.
00:43:52.000I'm not even saying it's a communist conspiracy.
00:43:54.000These international crime cartels take control of any movement they can.
00:43:59.000And so it's just so clear what's going on here.
00:44:03.000And so the left's being conditioned that mass murder of innocents in America is good, And then the rights being conditioned at the mass murder and the imperial attacks against other countries is good, and across the board we're all having our moral compasses crushed, smashed, and we're being lowered to the level of, uh...
00:44:59.000This is the same John from Ohio who I talked about earlier who called in when we were talking about Tony Blakely saying, Arrest Seymour Hersh, execute him, and then John called in and said, well, you know, how about people that talk like that, how about they get put on the griddle?
00:45:16.000And I'm saying, see, this is the paradigm that's going to make the globalists win.
00:45:24.000You know, I think a lot of what you do is great, but then I have, I'm absolutely crestfallen when I hear you use the same kind of strawman car brushing that you resent, and I think that I don't know this character, Ward Churchill, and if what you say is what he actually said, I would have the same kind of sentiments.
00:45:44.000Okay, but I'm not questioning that, but I'm saying that the genuine left, I'm an unaffiliated leftist, I consider myself, the real left, the socialists like WSWS.org or Workers.org.
00:46:15.000And I believe other people, I have an instinct... Well, let me tell you, I know a lot of socialists and they just love Al-Qaeda and they just think it's a great hero that they don't understand that it's Al-Cieda.
00:46:26.000Well, WSWS.org believes that it is Al-Qaeda.
00:46:31.000They believe that the 9-11 attacks were complicit with the American government.
00:46:36.000They've written articles along these lines.
00:46:38.000Well, do you see then how Churchill is being used as an example?
00:46:42.000Saying those poor secretaries and people deserve to die?
00:46:45.000Absolutely, I agree with you entirely.
00:46:46.000He's probably an agent, but I also believe, and I have an instinct that these characters like this J. Smith that is constantly on your program, is also an Asian.
00:46:54.000I think that kind of demented propaganda would be even demented in the 50's Cold War, let alone now.
00:47:01.000I think that that is the kind of boogeyman propaganda... You know something?
00:47:05.000Hey, John, the communists were a creation of globalists.
00:47:08.000Patrick Smith is doing a great job exposing it.
00:47:11.000You need to realize that your own commie movement is controlled by the bankers.
00:47:15.000Are you saying that you're going to suddenly join the neocons when they attack Chavez and Venezuela?
00:47:45.000There was a book called The Hidden Persuaders written in the late fifties, and who was it?
00:47:51.000It was Curtis Schaefer, said that, if I can quote from him real fast, it's only going to take about 15 seconds, says, the ultimate achievement of biocontrol may be the control of man himself.
00:48:00.000The controlled subjects would never be permitted to think as individuals A few months after birth, the surgeon would equip each child with a socket mounted under the scalp and the electrodes reaching selected areas of the brain tissue and the child's sensory perceptions and muscular activity could be either modified or completely ignored or completely controlled by bioelectrical signals.
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00:54:33.000Even though he doesn't know he's following it, P-2-O-G is meant to make Al-Qaeda heroes overseas, radicalize the Muslims, get them to fight back, so the globalists have a pretext to go in and invade.
00:55:20.000One, on your show, 9-1-1 and the Road to Tyranny, I have a copy of that, and I'm making copies for non-profit purposes, but to many other people where I live, because it's a conservative city where I live, San Diego.
00:55:31.000But they tell me that, oh, they come back to me and give me this footage.
00:55:35.000Oh, so by 2020, we'll have the microchips inside of us.
00:55:41.000Now we see microchips in the first family, as we saw in your 9-1-1 and the Road to Tyranny.
00:55:46.000What are your thoughts on that, like a brief little opinion on that, like when do you think we will actually be as Americans stabled into the microchip society?
00:55:54.000After the globalists carry out nuke attacks and have national drafts and get us even under more control, it's a long way away.
00:56:01.000I mean, it's already starting with old people and some prisoners and they're making some of the military take it, but it's just going to get progressively worse over the next 10-15 years.
00:56:23.000They're making deals with Mexico, deals with Canada, already made it with Canada, Pan American Union, where they will extradite you back to serve.
00:56:32.000Again, folks, this isn't even a declared war.
00:56:39.000and you've got a bunch of draft dodgers in there that are not going to make you go serve in their army and then give you experimental vaccines and make you breathe and bleed uranium, just on those reasons right there, that's cruel and unusual torture.
00:56:52.000And if enough people refuse, they can't put everybody in jail.
00:56:55.000They can just try to persecute a few people, you know, like Muhammad Ali or something, you know, prominent people to scare everybody else into going along with it.
00:59:05.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:59:09.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:59:15.000Alright, we ended the last hour with this Tangi from Georgia disagreeing with me about Ward Churchill, this professor's comments, and then Tangi hung up.
00:59:24.000I said, hold, please stay there, we're going to come back and talk to you.
00:59:38.000And he says, quote, the hijackers mounted counter-attacks in the face of hostile U.S.
00:59:43.000policy in the Middle East in a campaign against Iraq through the trade sanctions imposed after the First Gulf War.
00:59:50.000And he went on to compare the World Trade Center victims in saying that they were not innocent Calling them Little Eichmanns, that's a quote that's referred to the German World War II criminal, war criminal Adolf Eichmann.
01:00:04.000True enough, this is a quote, they were civilians of a sort, he wrote, but innocent?
01:00:09.000They formed the technocratic core of the very heart of American global financial empire.
01:00:14.000And I've actually got a copy of the essay right here.
01:00:17.000So don't, don't, don't, don't try to call in and say he didn't say that, now that he's saying, I don't back off what I said, but then he kind of starts backing off a little.
01:00:34.000Al-CIA-da These Al-Qaeda members who thought they were part of drills, who got on board the aircraft, gas was released, they killed everybody on board and remote controlled them into the buildings.
01:00:46.000Now that's what I have from all my sources and all the evidence.
01:00:49.000And so when you get up there and go, oh Al-Qaeda's a hero, or Al-Qaeda's fighting back, and that's what Churchill's in essence said, oh they're pushing back, they're fighting back against the evil.
01:00:58.000You play into the whole Pentagon P-2-O-G plan, Of building up Al-Qaeda as heroes in the Middle East, getting Muslims to follow them, to then create crises so the globalists can go in.
01:01:09.000I mean, how is it good for the Arabs to blow up some buildings that have the wrath of the New World Order come down on them?
01:02:20.000Well, if he's not a government agent, which I said I don't know if he is, but in my gut I think he is, If he is, I mean, he's certainly helping the globalists, going around saying Al Qaeda acts alone and are attacking the evil Americans.
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01:07:21.000But long before September 11th, the government was setting up its police state, its martial law, cashless society control grid, and their own policy reports from the Project for a New American Century and the Army and Naval War College, the RAND Corporation, and a hundred others were all saying, the CFR Commission, were all saying, we need terror attacks to imperially mobilize, using Brzezinski's comments, the American people behind this global war for empire.
01:07:51.000To mobilize the slaves, as we're called.
01:08:07.000And so there are now hundreds of thousands of people in America alone researching, posting to websites, researching hundreds that are really doing a good job of it.
01:08:18.000And there are dozens and dozens of films, hundreds of books that have been, and pamphlets that have been written on the subject.
01:08:27.000And what I do at Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com is basically post everybody's views, everybody's ideas.
01:08:35.000You'll find a lot of people that woke folks up and got other great researchers going, you know, don't even agree with their progeny.
01:08:43.000And in a lot of cases, the people, the forerunners and pioneers of exposing 9-11 spurred to wake up and become involved.
01:08:51.000A lot of their, I guess, progeny, as I was saying, they don't agree with their predecessors.
01:09:53.000The money men for Al-Qaeda meeting with the House and Senate Intelligence Heads on the morning of the 9-11 at the Capitol, Bush Sr.
01:10:01.000meeting with the head of the Bin Laden family, the Karloff Group function, flying the Bin Ladens out of the country, flying Al-Qaeda and the Arab leaders out of Afghanistan days before it fell, our government.
01:10:16.000It's clear that the hijackers were government ops, thinking they were part of a drill, who got on board those airplanes that morning, and subsequently, then, pressure was lost on the planes, the people were incapacitated or killed, remote control took control, the planes were flown into the buildings.
01:10:31.000Now that's what all the evidence points to, that's the, in the scientific method, you know, we know the government's behind it, you know, we know, quote, they committed the murder, you know, the cops know you did the murder.
01:10:43.000Okay, you just won't give him the final, specific details.
01:10:50.000And with us for this hour, and hopefully into the next hour, because I even canceled the guest we had set up a week ago, the third hour, so you can hopefully stay with us, is a gentleman who I'm really impressed with the research he's done.
01:11:02.000Really, it's preeminent on Building 7.
01:11:05.000He's uncovered a lot of documents about the stand-down, about Rumsfeld taking control of the shoot-down orders a few months before 9-11.
01:11:34.000We post it all, but my main focus is on bombs in the buildings, is on the implosions, is on the put options, is on the public officials being warned not to fly, is on the prior knowledge in and around New York, which even MSNBC and New York Daily News admits people were warned not to go to work.
01:11:50.000Haratz admits that Odigo called its employees and said, get out of the building.
01:12:03.000I focus on that and about 50 other things, and that's what I've noticed Jim focuses in on.
01:12:10.000I appreciate him holding during this diatribe, but just because Jim disagrees with some people that we have on the show, that's not bad, and they disagree with him.
01:12:20.000It's about having a debate, like you have in a university.
01:12:25.000It isn't about one group saying, you either go with my line, or you're anathema, or you're a heretic, or go with their line and you're evil, or go with my line, or you're bad.
01:12:39.000And I know we've got a load of phone lines, your calls are coming up, and any issue you bring up will tie back into 9-11.
01:12:45.000Because our whole world, the course we're on, is being charted with it as the excuse.
01:12:51.000But Jim, of course, has written for Science News, Scientific American, Science Digest, Nature, Journal of Nature, a software engineer and research scientist.
01:13:08.000And he didn't wake up to 9-11 until 2003!
01:13:13.000But he's certainly made up for it in his research and the great findings that he's brought to the giant, accumulated body of evidence.
01:13:21.000And we have something that globalists don't have.
01:13:23.000They've got their 170 IQ eggheads in their think tanks, all compartmentalized, studying how to lie to us, how to cover up, how to manipulate.
01:13:45.000And there's millions of people in the world looking at 9-11.
01:13:49.000Hundreds of thousands in America who are really looking at it.
01:13:51.000As I said, hundreds of thousands that are really focused on it.
01:13:54.000And we have the giant brain trust here of research and people involved that's frankly unstoppable.
01:14:02.000And so the globalists are almost in a panic mode right now, admitting that we're winning the war, admitting that, quote, armies of conspiracy theorists are taking over, playing to the big room, as Vanity Fair said last year when they viciously attacked me in a cover story that I was in.
01:14:18.000And here to talk about just all of this, and I appreciate you again holding to this five-minute diatribe, is Jim Hoffman.
01:14:43.000Wtc7.net is specifically about the case of the implosion of World Trade Center Building 7 at 520 in the afternoon for no apparent reason.
01:14:51.000It looks exactly like a controlled demolitions implosion.
01:14:54.000This is a huge skyscraper, 47-story steel building.
01:14:57.000First case in history of an implosion of a steel frame building being blamed on fire.
01:15:03.000And another website is 911review.com, in which I debunk some of the errors that are in the literature of 9-11 that have been used very successfully recently by mainstream articles.
01:15:18.000Like most recently, there's an article in Popular Mechanics Um, that purports to debunk 9-11 missteps.
01:15:24.000And I would dub it the mother of all hit pieces.
01:15:27.000Now, you've got an advanced copy, uh, and we won't get into how, but you're not obviously publishing it until it comes out next week, because, you know, you don't want to scoop them on their own story, but you have written a detailed analysis of it.
01:15:39.000We have a link to that on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, in case folks can't find it in your labyrinthine, uh, websites, but... Yeah, in fact, the, um, I've had such a great response to this critique that it's come right up to the top of Google.
01:15:58.000Conspiracy, but type in popular mechanics or 9-11 research, anything like that, you'll get this article.
01:16:03.000Have you had time to add my comments because I've talked to the reporters?
01:16:18.000I mean, that's what I want to talk about.
01:16:19.000I mean, you know, I could write my own analysis of it, but I think you've done a good job I mean, really, because what you wrote in the article meshes with what I got talking to these goons.
01:16:31.000Well, let's go over the article and go over your analysis of it.
01:16:35.000Okay, well, the basic approach to the article is to set up a strawman.
01:16:40.000A strawman argument is where you create a kind of a fictitious Um... target to attack and then you tear it down and what they do is take real evidences that are indisputable.
01:16:50.000Although the article pretends that it does.
01:16:53.000The article is very dramatic and it pretends.
01:16:55.000It gives the impression through its graphic layout and The way that it seems to be taking on the issue, the photographs that it has and so forth, that it is attacking the main issues that 9-11 skeptics bring up.
01:17:08.000And it does go around some of the main issues, like the demolition of the World Trade Center, but when you actually look at the article, what it does is it brings up mostly red herring issues, and then it brings up a few valid issues, but only some peripheral ones, and then it uses invalid arguments against those.
01:17:23.000So it's very much this kind of strawman operation where they set up this thing and then and then tear it down and never give you a hint of what the real breadth of uh... let's start with the cover it's a huge cover that says uh... told folks about the propaganda there Oh, well, one thing that's interesting, it's the cover story, so the entire cover is taken up, there's a picture of Ground Zero, and it says in big, a huge font, 9-11 lies.
01:17:49.000And I think that itself is very interesting, it's like people know that 9-11 is a lie.
01:17:51.000Because they know in major polls that most Americans think there's lies going on, so that's a selling point right there.
01:17:56.000Yeah, it's a selling point, and then in a much smaller font it says debunking, and then it says conspiracy theorists can't stand up to the hard facts.
01:18:02.000But the main thing that you see on the cover is 9-11 lies, so it keys into what people know, And then it tries to, you know, then it tries to attack the skeptics with all kinds of homonym attacks and so forth.
01:18:16.000Oh yeah, yeah, several places in the article.
01:18:18.000But the article has come up now on the website.
01:18:23.000So they have the text of the main article on the Popular Mechanics website.
01:18:27.000I was surprised they published it so early.
01:18:29.000Maybe they knew that the critique of it had come out.
01:18:32.000But the online edition doesn't have the editor's notes where he delivers some of the most mean-spirited insults against the 9-11 Truth Movement.
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01:23:21.000They don't normally, and I've checked out Popular Mechanics, they don't normally post their text articles until a few weeks after the magazine goes on shelves, so they sell more.
01:23:30.000Very unusual, when the magazine hasn't even hit store shelves yet, it'll hit next week, to already have the text report up, and I would imagine that's to counter Your expert analysis of their piece.
01:23:44.000I was very surprised to see it so early.
01:23:46.000And it's also interesting that when you go to the homepage of Popular Mechanics, the page is talking about the PM blog, as if, oh, they're hip, they're on the internet now.
01:23:56.000You know, it's like they're playing this catch-up game.
01:24:03.000Now, I want to get more into the hit piece, and then I want to get into the 9-11 itself, but you notice how they go after myself, and I told you this, and I hope you add it to your article.
01:24:11.000This is important, and you talk about straw man.
01:24:13.000I had different reporters call me, and the reporters sounded so weird out of the hundreds of interviews I've done.
01:24:18.000And I've interviewed by the New York Times, Washington Post, Vanity Fair, you name it.
01:24:28.000The reporters, they would say, what about building 7?
01:24:31.000And I'd go, okay, well what's your evidence?
01:24:33.000And I'd go, well, Larry Silverstein says that they, you know, pulled it, and they told reporters to get back, we're gonna pull it, and it wasn't, you know, hit by anything, it had some small fire.
01:24:41.000Well, we don't want to talk about that!
01:24:51.000They pointed out an article one of our writers wrote about an American Free Press article and an American Free Press article, and I said, well, it says American Free Press!
01:25:13.000And I said, I go, right there, you're trying to do a hit piece.
01:25:16.000And I used the term, I said, that's a straw man.
01:25:19.000And I called the Redditor and he called me back and he said, OK, we're not going to put that in there.
01:25:23.000But they still kind of did in a way your comments.
01:25:27.000Oh, so their technique is to zoom in on the few issues that are not valid ones.
01:25:34.000Now, the idea that there were seismic spikes that corresponded to the start of the collapses of the Twin Towers, I think is an invalid point.
01:25:43.000It's an easy mistake to make, but if I actually did the analysis with the timing of these spikes, the spikes occur over about a five to seven second period.
01:25:52.000the large spikes, and they correspond to the time that the rubble reaches the ground.
01:25:57.000So what this Popular Mechanics article does is to address the World Trade Center demolition, for which there are numerous pieces of evidence, rather than address any of those pieces of...
01:26:11.000They don't focus on the concrete stuff.
01:26:13.000Yeah, they find the one piece of invalid evidence that they can, and then focus on that.
01:26:17.000But even on this questionable piece, they don't go right to the source of the article.
01:26:22.000They call someone that posted it, and then to get a false report, They call and say, did PrisonPlanet.com interview you, when clearly it said the name of the newspaper.
01:26:31.000Should you see others' wheels within wheels?
01:26:38.000So they ignore the many valid points that are much stronger points about demolition.
01:26:45.000Well, let's talk about the world, the Twin Towers.
01:26:48.000They ignore the fact that the The towers fell straight down, maintaining radial symmetry as this zone of total destruction, this exploding dust cloud just raced to the ground.
01:27:00.000The total symmetry, that vertical symmetry, is what controlled demolition is all about, because a tall steel structure doesn't want to fall straight through it.
01:27:10.000In fact, I have video of them blowing up a Las Vegas hotel similar to Building 7, and you see how they blow out one of the central columns first, Then they blow out the others to make it all fall in a small pile.
01:27:24.000And it all has to be done with hundreds, if not thousands, of individual explosive charges placed against the supporting columns of the building.
01:27:31.000And those charges have to be set off with exact timing.
01:27:35.000And if there's even a second or two mistake in the timing, it could cause the entire building to topple.
01:27:41.000A lot of times they try to control demolitions that don't work.
01:27:46.000And if they don't, you know, if you have a tall structure in an urban setting with other buildings next to it and the building topples, that's a huge amount of damage.
01:27:54.000I'm sure you're familiar with the demolitions they've tried to do before, though, where it doesn't come down.
01:27:58.000Oh, no, I'm not familiar with those, no.
01:28:01.000Yeah, there's been quite a few cases where they put the controlled demolitions in and then some of them don't go off.
01:28:06.000They have to go in and reset them, yeah.
01:28:10.000So they completely ignore the really compelling evidence about the demolitions.
01:28:17.000You can probably remember that lower Manhattan was just blanketed with a layer of dust because the 90,000 tons of concrete that was in the floor slabs of these buildings was thoroughly converted to fine, mostly microscopic dust.
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01:32:37.000World Trade Center 7 had always been considered the starting point for rebuilding.
01:32:44.000Located north of the slurry wall, 7 had been cleared faster than the rest of the site.
01:32:50.000And there had been no bodies to recover.
01:32:56.000Pelted by debris when the North Tower collapsed, 7 burned until late afternoon, allowing occupants to evacuate to safety.
01:33:05.000So again, that's Larry Silverstein talking.
01:33:06.000from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.
01:33:12.000I said, you know, we've had such a terrible loss of life.
01:33:15.000Maybe the smallest thing to do is pull it.
01:33:18.000And they made that decision to pull, and then we watched the building collapse.
01:33:24.000So, again, that's Larry Silverstein talking.
01:33:32.000We're talking, of course, right now to Jim Hoffman, who's a 9-11 researcher.
01:33:38.000Uh, Jim, I've got a whole bunch of other clips, but I just wanted to play that because we were talking about this.
01:33:42.000Let's get into the real evidence of controlled demolitions in all three of the towers, and then kind of compare that to how they did a hit piece on it, uh, and then attacked the straw man, uh, in, uh, this popular mechanics piece.
01:33:57.000Okay, do you want to talk about Building 7 first?
01:33:59.000Yeah, let's, I mean, wherever you want to start, sure.
01:34:01.000Okay, so with Building 7, they have, um, um, The Popular Mechanics article sets up 16 points which they want to make you believe are accepted by all 9-11 skeptics, as if there's nothing else important except these 16 points, and about half of them are invalid.
01:34:17.000But they have one point on Building 7, and they only go into it peripherally.
01:34:23.000They say that they use a quote from a website that says, the video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to fire, but rather a controlled demolition.
01:34:30.000But it doesn't tell you where the video is at.
01:34:32.000You can look at WTC7.net and see, I have three videos that very clearly show the building undergoing a precise controlled demolition style collapse where the building just sinks with precise verticality into its footprint and leaves a small pile of rubble.
01:34:46.000But what they don't tell you in the article, they just leave that assertion out there and then they bring in their NIST expert and they give this bizarre explanation that, oh, if one column failed, the whole section would Which fail or something, you know, just this hand-waving argument that somehow a steel-framed building could just, you know, suddenly, you know, undergo a chain reaction in this idea of progressive collapse.
01:35:09.000Now, even the experts, they quote the first few weeks where, yes, steel melted, and then later, when all the scientific studies show that it was, you know, a thousand degrees cooler at the minimum for it even to get red and start weakening, then they go, okay, It didn't melt, it just weakened and then all just fell apart.
01:35:30.000Oh yeah, so the article accuses 9-11 skeptics of saying that the official theory has the fires melting the steel when that story was trotted out by the experts.
01:35:42.000There's an article on BBC where this structural engineer, Chris Weiss, is saying that the fire has melted the steel.
01:35:49.000Well, if you look at the melting point of steel, which is 1535 degrees Celsius, it's about 700 degrees Celsius higher than the maximum temperature that you can possibly get by burning any kind of hydrocarbon in an open flame, like in a building fire, without systematic preheating or pressurization of the air.
01:36:06.000If you don't have a blast furnace that has that kind of, you know, pressurized air or whatever, you can't get much above 800 degrees Celsius with a hydrocarbon fire.
01:36:15.000And if it's a diffuse fire, not the kind of blue flame that you have on a stove, it's much cooler yet.
01:36:21.000Now, you know, you might have a Uh, gas stove.
01:36:33.000Why doesn't the grill on your stove collapse?
01:36:35.000I mean, it's the most ludicrous idea in the world to think that a steel-framed building could suddenly, you know, rip itself apart and just shatter into thousands of pieces because of fires.
01:37:30.000Well, so it's within, you know, it's just, uh, clearly all the vertical support of that building was taken out in an instant for it to sink into its footprint with such... And why don't we see the penthouse collapse first?
01:37:42.000Well, apparently that's because they took out the central columns ahead of the perimeter of the building.
01:37:47.000Which they always do, so it falls in on itself.
01:37:49.000Yeah, with a tall building like that, it's quite an engineering challenge to bring such a tall steel structure down into its footprint.
01:37:55.000So what they do is they take out the core structure, they take out the core columns of the building just slightly ahead of the exterior, and what happens is the core starts to fall, and then it pulls in the outer parts of the building, so that what you get when the building falls is that the rubble pile You see the outer walls of the building kind of folding in and lying on top of the rest of the building.
01:38:16.000And if you look at photographs of the remains of Building 7, that's precisely what you see.
01:38:21.000And unlike the Twin Towers, which were just spewed all over the place, the remains, Building 7, the rubble pile was almost entirely lying and piled up on the block.
01:38:31.000This building occupied a whole city block and was a straddle electrical substation.
01:38:35.000It's almost entirely consolidated within that block.
01:38:39.000And, um, now, notice they were talking in that clip about, um, that no one was believed killed in Building 7.
01:38:44.000Well, if this is the first case of a steel-framed building that imploded on itself supposedly because of fire, shouldn't that have warranted a careful investigation?
01:38:53.000And yet what they did with the entirety of Ground Zero, including Building 7, is that they sealed off the area and started carting away the steel immediately, apparently without any systematic documentation of the kind you would expect if they were actually investigating the incident, and instead started shipping the steel to blast furnaces in India and China and instead started shipping the steel to blast furnaces in India and China to destroy the evidence as They had the entire scene mopped up within six months.
01:39:21.000But anyway, going to the Twin Towers, the Twin Towers are often described as implosions also because you see the buildings fell straight down, maintaining symmetry and just falling straight down.
01:39:34.000But instead of imploding on themselves, a more accurate way of describing it is that they exploded.
01:39:39.000Because if you look at what happened, the collapse started near the top, actually a little bit above where the crash zones were.
01:39:47.000The buildings just started shattering.
01:39:49.000And then evolving these huge clouds of, mushrooming clouds of dust that just were growing at an explosive rate.
01:39:56.000The buildings are so large that it doesn't really you don't get a sense of how fast those dust clouds were growing, but you can measure them in the videos.
01:40:04.000And the diameter, the radius of these clouds was growing at a rate of 50 to 80 feet per second.
01:40:11.000And so by the time they got to the ground, these rubble clouds were about 400 feet in diameter.
01:40:19.000The blast wave was so great that it shattered windows in the World Financial Center buildings, which are directly to the west, up to about 200 feet.
01:40:40.000And they were just thoroughly pulverized.
01:40:42.000There was no, basically there was no macroscopic materials other than the metallic components of the buildings left.
01:40:50.000There was no recognized, look at Ron, There are hundreds of images of Ground Zero, even though they attempted to suppress people from taking photographs of it.
01:41:02.000Because they don't want there to be any evidence.
01:41:04.000But there is enough surviving evidence that you can look at it, and you can't find any recognizable objects other than the steel skeleton and the skeletons and the aluminum cladding of the metallic components.
01:41:16.000And most of those are even unrecognizable.
01:41:18.000Like, every single floor on these buildings had these steel corrugated floor pans, which were large flat pieces of steel, and the floor slabs were poured on these pans.
01:41:30.000But you don't even see any big sections of these pans.
01:41:33.000I mean, if the pancake theory were correct and the floors were pancaking down, You should have a pile of platters, you know, a pile of these on the floor.
01:41:41.000Instead, they blew Tower 1 and 2 from the top down.
01:41:44.000Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, with Building 7, with the classical demolition blowing up the top.
01:41:51.000So, they were very... In fact, we even got video stills where you zoom in on 7, and you zoom in on other buildings, and you can clearly see the explosions following down as it collapses.
01:42:03.000Yeah, and one of the really interesting features in the collapses of the towers is that there are these high-velocity energetic ejections of gas and dust that are called squibs.
01:42:15.000And you see these little things ejecting about ten stories below the zone of complete destruction.
01:42:21.000And you see this when they blow up Las Vegas hotels.
01:42:23.000Yeah, you see squibs, although they're not as energetic.
01:42:25.000They're more like little, kind of blunt puffs of dust.
01:42:27.000But in the case of the towers, you see these really energetic squibs coming out and shooting out about a hundred feet from them.
01:42:33.000Well, I've seen some controlled demolitions where the squibs are even bigger.
01:42:36.000Yeah, well, and there's so many ways that you can do controlled demolitions.
01:42:40.000One thing that people often don't understand is they see Building 7 and they think, oh, they see that that's a controlled demolition because they've seen other controlled demolitions and that's what it looks like.
01:42:49.000But the towers look completely different and I've seen the The specious argument that, oh, that can't be a controlled demolition because a controlled demolition is from the bottom up.
01:42:57.000Well, of course you can engineer a demolition in any of a million ways.
01:43:01.000You can have the explosion starting from the top, or starting from the bottom, or you can have large explosions, or small ones, or you know,
01:43:09.000I mean, I bought a bunch of the videos they show on TV of buildings being blown up, and they've got all different types, where it starts at the top, where it starts at the bottom, but then when you see these office buildings or hotels, the style of seven, they like to do that crimping where they blow one of the middle or off from the middle, off center, so it all collapses in on one area.
01:43:32.000Yeah, what's so interesting about What happened to the World Trade Center complex is the way that the towers were part of the 16 block superblock and they were surrounded by low-rise buildings that were part of the World Trade Center complex.
01:43:45.000And they blew up and they just rained all this heavy debris on the adjacent low-rise buildings and crushed, largely crushed them.
01:43:54.000Like half of World Trade Center 4 was completely crushed.
01:43:57.000World Trade Center 3, the Marriott Hotel, was about half crushed.
01:44:00.000There was a big hole in World Trade Center 6 from the falling debris of the North Tower.
01:45:09.000So, how interesting that all the buildings that had the same owner, that had the same insurer, that were part of the same insurance policy, were all totaled.
01:45:17.000But anyway, back to the point about the crushing of these adjacent buildings.
01:45:21.000We're supposed to believe that, like in the case of the North Tower, that 15 floors of this lightweight construction, these are 100% steel-framed buildings.
01:45:31.000Um, that's something that, um, if you see the buildings blowing up, you think, gosh, these masonry buildings, all this, all this pulverized dust and everything.
01:45:38.000No, these are over-engineered buildings.
01:45:40.000All buildings like this have to be over-engineered.
01:45:42.000These buildings had to withstand 140 mile an hour crosswinds.
01:45:45.000Hurricane force winds, and they have to withstand probably magnitude.
01:45:48.000They were designed to take multiple, uh, large passenger jet impacts.
01:45:53.000With the largest plane of the era they were built was the 707-340, and another misconception is that the 767s were jumbo jets, they're so much bigger, but if you actually compare a 767-200 to a 707-340, they're almost identical in size.
01:46:08.000707 340 they're almost they're almost identical in size I mean a 7 a 767 is a little bit heavier oh but it has a slower cruise speed so a typical collision would actually involve less force with the 767 and with it with these aren't jumbo jets these are just passenger planes Yeah, they have a slightly wider body, but they only have a seating capacity of about 160 or so.
01:46:28.000Now, I want to, when we come back, play some more clips of newscasts and things, and then I want to get into other areas of 9-11 that are really important evidence, and then, of course, take some phone calls, but And of course, Jim's going to stay with us some of the next hour.
01:46:45.000We're going to get into some other news items from around the country and the world.
01:46:48.000But Jim, we've got a funeral coming up this weekend in Austin and I'm going to be attending it and I'm going to put a plug in for folks to come to the funeral.
01:46:54.000So I'm going to put you on hold and then we're going to go to break and we'll come right back to you.
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01:55:17.000Jim, continuing with 9-11, there's a lot of different areas that prove we have controlled demolition in the buildings, but having Silverstein say this...
01:55:29.000And having Giuliani say we were told to get out of the building and already running a drill that day, now it's admitted that FEMA was, they tried to deny that when the FEMA person messed up on the nightly news and said they were.
01:55:40.000I mean, there's so many points to this, but Silverstein won't respond to over a million dollars worth of ads running New York on TV and in print saying, hey Silverstein, why'd you say this?
01:55:55.000Oh, I guess it's to his advantage not to.
01:55:59.000One wonders why he would even say anything so incriminating.
01:56:03.000But what's even more amazing is why it hasn't even been acknowledged in the mainstream media that there's even an issue here.
01:56:11.000Because what's so incredible about it is that No government agency has done anything but try to sell the official story that it was fire that brought down Building 7.
01:56:23.000And for a while they said it was some fuel tank, but then they admit that fuel tank didn't even blow up.
01:56:28.000Oh yeah, and how could a diesel fuel tank blow up?
01:56:48.000So, um, and, you know, even if something could blow up, even if you had a tank of fuel that could blow up in the basement, it wouldn't bring the building, like, straight down into its footprint with such precision.
01:56:56.000You know, it just doesn't... Well, you'd see a giant explosion.
01:56:59.000Oh, and you'd see a giant explosion at the base.
01:57:01.000But they admit that it didn't even do it.
01:58:11.000We're here live and back from 9 to midnight.
01:58:14.000We're talking to Jim Hoffman, software engineer, research scientist, writes for Science News, Scientific American, Scientific Digest, the Journal of Nature, and we're honored to have him on with us and he focuses on a lot of areas that I think are the most important concerning the 9-11 government terrorist attacks.
01:58:35.000the LCI ADA attacks, and we're going to get into some of the other areas smoking guns of 9/11, and I promise we're going to start going to your calls, Paul and Manuel and Ed and others, toll-free number to join us, 1-800-259-9231.
01:58:50.000I want to go back through and play some of these clips concerning the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers.
01:58:55.000Before we go to some calls, what are some other issues you want to talk about, Jim?
01:58:59.000Well, I think it's important to point out just how many issues there are that are smoking guns of 9/11.
01:59:05.000I think part of the way that the psychological operation of 9-11 works is that it's so overwhelming.
01:59:10.000There's so many things that are so obvious when you actually look at them that they're counting on people to be intimidated by the very magnitude of the crime, not to really want to take it apart.
01:59:22.000Let's look at one thing, for instance.
01:59:24.000The smoking gun video that was aired in November of 2001, in which Bin Laden is supposedly taking credit for the crime.
01:59:33.000Well, if you actually look at the video, you can see that the actor, who's supposedly Bin Laden, doesn't even have the same facial structure as Bin Laden.
01:59:40.000I mean, that's how obvious the scam is.
01:59:42.000They made a voice print test and found out it wasn't Bin Laden.
01:59:48.000I mean, even without going to anything more advanced like voice tests, you can just look at the photographs.
01:59:55.000But Canadians and French did the test.
01:59:56.000I mean, you can take my voice, create a voice key with it, then later test and see if somebody's really me.
02:00:02.000It failed the voice test and then experts looked at it, linguists, it wasn't even the same dialect.
02:00:10.000But then you can look at the hijacking scenario by which these supposedly These hijackers took over the planes and... People who couldn't fly Cessna off the ground!
02:00:42.000And then you have this scenario where if you look at the flight paths of the planes, two of the planes, flights 93 and 77, go way out as far as Ohio before turning around and turning back to their targets.
02:01:00.000hijackers that they were intent on attacking these targets wait for an hour before they even turn the planes around back to their targets exposing themselves to certain intercepts had standard operating procedures been in effect.
02:01:12.000That's another thing, they claim in the popular mechanics article that there had been one interception in history...
02:01:20.000But in reality, all the time I would hear about before 9/11 of some Cessna that went over a base or something and they scrambled F-16s and forced it down.
02:01:30.000Yeah, and I think it's interesting that one of the very, quote, experts that they cite in their article is on record saying that there were 67 scrambles in and the nine months preceding June 2001.
02:01:47.000And so if even half of those led to intercepts, scramble is when you get the jets into the air and intercept is when they get them.
02:01:53.000Well, I've talked to pilots who got off course in storms and stuff and they had F-16s fly up and threaten them.
02:01:57.000Yeah, so it's a common thing and it's just an indication of how incredibly loose this article is with the fact that they make this sweeping claim that there was only one intercept in the ten years before 9/11.
02:02:08.000In fact, we have a lot of pilots that are listening.
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02:02:28.000I want to go over all these points, Jim, in detail, but first we'll come back and take some calls, so stay with us, okay?
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02:06:06.000All right, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
02:06:09.000We're talking with Jim Hoffman, and he is a scientific researcher or research scientist, and he's been on the 9-11 case for a few years and a lot of really interesting work, and And Jim, you ready to take some calls before we get back into other areas of 9-11 that are totally obvious?
02:06:33.000Hi, that was just a question that came to me when I very first saw the collapse was How could planes bring that down?
02:06:44.000To me, right off the bat, I said controlled demolition.
02:06:48.000And then the four planes being simultaneously hijacked all at once.
02:06:52.000I mean, to me, common sense would dictate that somebody was behind it, and I thought... And an hour and a half with no intercepts, and then finally they launch a few planes and order them to fly at 600 miles an hour?
02:07:48.000The day of the event, I'm driving to my car, you know, at 5 o'clock or whatever when 7 came down, and I heard them go, is that a demolition?
02:07:54.000Well, there was some talk of demolishing it.
02:07:56.000I heard that on National Radio, ABC Radio.
02:07:59.000Listen, but since I've been in New York, people keep telling me that they heard it on NPR that day, and that it was openly discussed, and I haven't been able to track those tapes down.
02:08:10.000I haven't seen the live, you know, many of the live tapes that were made during the day.
02:08:14.000And I was watching during the day, but I only vaguely remember them talking about Building 7.
02:08:19.000And when I heard that, I thought, oh, maybe it's some small, low-rise building right under the towers.
02:08:23.000I didn't even know what it was until I went back and checked it, you know, looked into the story.
02:08:27.000Notice how much attention they gave to the big towers, but this 47-story building falls in a little over three seconds, and it's just, oh, it just fell.
02:08:34.000Yeah, and then it just disappeared from the news, like, the day after.
02:08:36.000They reported it on the day, and then it was just gone.
02:09:03.000He's the professor saying that, you know, that the people that died in the towers, you know, they're not innocent, and that they're basically Adolf Eichmanns.
02:09:12.000And that Al-Qaeda was fighting back against the evil America.
02:09:15.000That plays into the globalist's hands.
02:09:17.000It was Al-Ci-Ada They did the attacks, but some groups on the left want to say, oh no, Al-Qaeda struck back against the evil America.
02:09:25.000That plays into the Pentagon P-2-O-G plan to actually stir the Arabs up, and then it also bolsters the false right-wing in this country to say, see how evil these liberals are?
02:09:47.000He's not unlike every other socialist I run around here, even locally.
02:09:51.000They all believe this was a true socialist uprising, which is the most foolish notion.
02:09:55.000They don't see the fact that even petty drug dealers, who they themselves discounted the phony drug war, but then they don't see the fact how the globalists even use this pretext to even that facet of society, somehow shapeshift, say, a petty drug dealer into now a terrorist.
02:10:42.000Well look, how is it different with Ward Churchill saying the people that died in the towers were Adolf Weichmanns and they weren't innocent and this was an uprising hitting back?
02:10:52.000You know, ignore all the evidence, but how can he say that?
02:10:54.000You know, that's just like these talk show hosts saying, all of these Iraqis are animals, let's kill them.
02:10:59.000It's the same sick mindset, and that's what I'm saying.
02:11:02.000The left loves it when they're breaking pro-lifers' arms, you know, at pro-life protests, but they don't like it when it happens to left-wingers.
02:11:09.000We've got to stand up for everybody's rights, because if anybody loses their rights, we all lose our rights.
02:12:36.000I'd like to know, you know, that the whole 9-11, the situation there, was just a whole set-up, it was a done deal.
02:12:43.000But I try to inflect, like, common sense.
02:12:47.000And when you see, when people try to, especially in the news media, saying that a whole bunch of guys in a cave in Afghanistan orchestrated this whole thing, well heck, I can't even get a clear hookup on my cell phone for the next county over.
02:13:02.000And they're going to tell me that guys in a cave did this whole thing.
02:13:43.000Folks, they were part of drills that had been going on for months before, right up to the day, with four different drills that morning, probably more.
02:13:56.000And you know, James Woods, the actor, weeks before, is flying on a flight from New York out to California.
02:14:02.000He's on board a plane with Muhammad and others.
02:14:04.000He gets off the plane and says, at a connection, these guys are simulating a hijacking, and the FBI comes and says, shut your mouth, or we'll arrest you as a terrorist.
02:14:38.000You got any comments on that, Mr. Hoffman?
02:14:40.000Oh, one thing to add to that is the fact that At least six of the alleged hijackers that the FBI was so quick to identify after the attack showed up alive after their photos were flashed all over the world by the FBI.
02:15:01.000Yeah, and yet, the 9-11 Commission, even though there's all these reports in mainstream media, all these sources, you know, from them coming to U.S.
02:15:08.000embassies overseas and identifying themselves and saying, look, I'm alive, I didn't have anything to do with this, and yet the 9-11 Commission report runs with the same list of suspects that the FBI identified three days after the attack and doesn't even admit that there's any problem with their identity.
02:15:22.000And the FBI even admits they, quote, had problems.
02:15:25.000Yeah, yeah, but the Commission won't admit that.
02:15:27.000The Commission is the biggest, you know, the biggest fraud I've ever seen.
02:16:24.000Again, what you're seeing are high shots.
02:16:28.000Now, here we're going to show you a videotape of the collapse itself.
02:16:32.000Now we go to videotape the collapse of this building.
02:16:36.000It's amazing, incredible, pick your word.
02:16:46.000For the third time today, it's reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen too much on television before when a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down.
02:16:58.000All right, and we also have Peter Jennings saying the same thing.
02:17:02.000But regardless of all of that, this is the common sense.
02:17:04.000I mean, I had my friend Jimmy Wright on, isn't it?
02:17:06.000structural engineer, worked in the World Financial Center as an executive, and I had him on that that morning, 11 o'clock, we came on the air, and he said, it's the most beautiful controlled demolition I've ever seen, but they were from the top down, Alex.
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02:22:13.000Talking to Jim Hoffman, and he is a scientific researcher, research scientist, and he's really been doing a great job focusing on a lot of key areas of 9-11.
02:22:23.000Jim, give folks your websites in case they missed them.
02:22:26.000Okay, 911research.wtc7.net, or just type in 911research into Google, and you'll get right there.
02:22:35.000WTC7.net focuses on the case of Building 7.
02:22:37.000There's videos there that show how this was a controlled demolition.
02:23:07.000You pointed out how, you know, people various literature woke people up and then the progeny doesn't even agree with the people that they were initially read in my case I read Painful questions which I think does a great job with the World Trade Center um And yet I disagree with it about the Pentagon, but I think um, but you disagree You told me last time on the phone about Pentagon just because you can't be proven one way or the other Yeah, I think it's... I think the Pentagon... That's what I've said all along.
02:23:33.000People go, why aren't your films about the Pentagon?
02:23:34.000I go, look, I've got them warning public officials.
02:23:40.000I've got them blowing the buildings up.
02:23:42.000I think the Pentagon attack was designed to be a confusing issue that could be used just to keep debate going that would never come to a conclusion, that would always be a source of distraction, because there's all kinds of things that we do know.
02:23:52.000Even in the case of the Pentagon, we do know that the plane crashed into, or whatever it was crashed into, the portion of the Pentagon that was undergoing renovation.
02:24:11.000Immediately after the attack to take the videos.
02:24:13.000And a lot of people jump to the conclusion of saying, oh, they took the videos because they don't want us to see that it wasn't a jetliner.
02:24:19.000But an alternative explanation is that they took the videos so that it couldn't be proven that it was, so that they could keep it a source of You know, continuing controversy and non-resolution.
02:24:30.000Yeah, they're very, very sophisticated.
02:25:25.000But anyway, NORAD has this command and control facility in Cheyenne Mountain.
02:25:31.000In Wyoming, there's this incredible nerve center that has multiple command centers in it.
02:25:35.000And it's in control of the FAA towers.
02:25:37.000Yeah, and they're direct lines to FAA and they have continuous air coverage over the entire United States.
02:25:43.000And the standard procedure was and is That if the plane, all aircraft have flight plans, and if they deviate from their flight plans by a few, just a few degrees, or a few miles, or a air traffic controller is unable to get a response from a pilot... They immediately launch F-16s!
02:26:00.000They immediately call NORAD, and there's planes that are on standby, the pilots are in their bunkers, they run out to the planes, they fire them up, and they get off the ground within a couple of minutes, and they can get up to altitude in a couple of minutes!
02:26:12.000You know, these planes can fly at on fifteen hundred sixteen hundred miles an hour they can cover the distance between new york and on washington dc and i'd like eight minutes or less i mean that you know but that they're flying at three hundred and that's true three hundred miles an hour and they're dispatched from the wrong uh... from uh... from the wrong airbases and they're supposedly flying the wrong direction were there eight bases within fifty miles but what's that?
02:26:36.000there were eight bases within fifty miles And the most damning thing of all, of course, is that the base provides coverage for the Washington, D.C.
02:26:45.000Andrews Air Force Base, which is about 11 miles from the Pentagon, you know, it's like seconds away from the Pentagon, And the Pentagon was struck at 940.
02:26:52.000They're saying there's a radar hole when this is the most surveilled area in the world.
02:26:57.000And yet they can't get a fighter in the air for an hour and a half to protect what you think would be the most protected building in the world, and it's left wide open to... And we even have some of the tapes that they didn't shred.
02:27:10.000We have people saying they were ordered to shred them.
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02:30:44.000All right, All right, I'm told we've got Leon in Texas who disagrees with us, so he'll go to the front of the line in front of Craig and David and Clint so he'll go to the front of the line in front of Craig and David and Clint and John
02:31:10.000Here in a few minutes we're going to go to your calls, and I want to ask Jim Hoppen to stay with us for the balance of the broadcast the next 26 minutes.
02:31:27.000Well, because I have to take time out to, I guess I'm going to have to do it myself, write a rebuff to the, because I mean, a great rebuff's been written to the Popper Mechanics piece by Jim Hoffman, but I've got so much inside knowledge.
02:31:41.000These guys interviewed me, and again, I thought it was such a bad hit piece, I thought it wasn't real reporters.
02:31:46.000I actually called up the editor and said, are these people real?
02:32:08.000Anytime I could prove something, they wanted to, like, go get some obscure thing I didn't even write, and then, like, try to play some game with it.
02:32:30.000And then I will tell you with comments and with films and books what I believe.
02:32:36.000And I stick to the things that Jim Hoffman sticks to.
02:32:39.000You know, I was on the air two months before 9-11.
02:32:42.000It's in Masters of Terror, my second 9-11 film.
02:32:44.000I put the video from my TV show where I said they'll probably use Bin Laden, and they'll attack the World Trade Center or something like that, and he'll take the blame for it, and then we'll have a police state.
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02:35:02.000All right, let's go back to Jim Hoffman.
02:35:15.000Basically, there's a little codicil to that That thing about steel-framed buildings not collapsing from fire alone.
02:35:27.000And the codicil is that they don't collapse from fire alone if there's a professional fire department with plenty of water that can fight the fire.
02:35:38.000In this case, The professionality of the New York City Fire Department was considerably reduced by the fact that it already lost 200 people.
02:35:53.000The underwriters of the buildings did their own test.
02:35:56.000You can take steel and stick it in furnaces, and if you don't get it up, To the proper temperature, and we're talking these fires conservatively, even if they burned hotter than we know they did, uh, we're talking a thousand degrees below the temperature of even weakening it.
02:37:28.000And then we watched the building collapse.
02:37:32.000They made the decision to pull, that's the industry term, for demolishing a building, controlled demolition.
02:37:38.000I mean, Mr. Hoffman comments, then we'll go back to Leon.
02:37:42.000Um, well, I just wanted, he makes it sound like, oh, if there's, um, if the firefighters have to fight the fires in order for a building not to collapse.
02:37:50.000Well, there's not a single example in history of a steel-framed, high-rise building collapsing due to fire.
02:37:55.000Caracas a few months ago the thing burns for what eight hours yeah fire coming out of like 50 floors shooting out nothing collapsed nothing Chicago fires it burned for a week it doesn't happen the meridian classifier and a 38-story skyscraper in Philadelphia burned for 18 hours just raging flames just eight floors of this building were gutted and you know it went And, you know, there was some sagging of some parts, but none of the columns in these buildings were damaged.
02:39:05.000That theory doesn't make any sense because according to FEMA there were no manual firefighting operations in the building all day.
02:39:11.000So how could they have pulled firefighting operations if there were no firefighting operations?
02:39:17.000In any case, the buildings you people are talking about that burned for a long period of time without collapsing are old-fashioned buildings.
02:39:26.000The Banker's Trust, sir, was literally fifty-five feet away from the South Tower.
02:40:00.000The first interstate bank building in Los Angeles is very similar in construction to the towers and the building 7.
02:40:06.000In fact, most modern skyscrapers have a similar design to the twin towers in which they have a bundle of... It's a modern box rectangle!
02:40:13.000They have a four column floor, they have interior columns, and they have trusses that support floors... Sir, you're living on another planet!
02:40:21.000I told you to respond to what Silverstein said, I'm sorry, but I'm not living on another planet.
02:40:26.000I have four years' experience as a firefighter in shipyards.
02:40:34.000Firefighter engineering said that fire couldn't cause that and said there was a cover-up going on in their major issue that came out after 9-11.
02:41:07.000The myth I think that I need to speak to here is this idea that somehow buildings 1, 2, and 7 were some kind of bizarre, strange architecture and that's just not true because most modern high-rises I have this design where most of the interior columns... Well, look, Banker's Trust was built, I believe, in the late 60s.
02:41:29.000And I did a bunch of research for this film that's coming out on Banker's Trust.
02:41:33.000Now, sir, are you just telling me... because I've been there.
02:41:36.000I've been inside the Banker's Trust building.
02:43:16.000Oh, we're getting ready to pull building 6.
02:43:20.000We had to be very careful how we demolished building 6.
02:43:23.000We were worried about the building 6 coming down and then damaging the red story wall, so we wanted that particular building to fall within a certain area.
02:44:25.000The point I wanted to make about the buildings, though, is that it's a myth that there was something about buildings 1, 2, and 7 that was different from earlier buildings.
02:44:33.000There have been examples of severe fires in buildings with almost identical construction, like the first Interstate Bank building, which had a structure very similar to a 64-story skyscraper.
02:44:41.000It had huge fires low in the building and had core columns and perimeter columns, just like the towers in building 7.
02:44:47.000That's the most common design in modern skyscrapers.
02:44:50.000And even if it did cause something to collapse, if magically suddenly the laws of science change and steel melts at a thousand degrees cooler than it does... It would explode into fine dust and shards of steel.
02:45:46.000And, Jim, I'm glad to get a chance to talk to you.
02:45:48.000I'd like to separate a little bit of fact from fiction, because where I come from, we have a steel mill here.
02:45:55.000And this steel mill actually created some of the structure work for the two towers.
02:46:03.000One of the men that worked on that is a friend of mine and he is or was the head metallurgist for the steel mill.
02:46:11.000My father-in-law worked there for 45 years and my grandfather and they were also into welding and pouring the steel and I'll tell you one thing right now there is no way that those beams melted or anything else it was a controlled explosion the day that that happened My father-in law happened to be over here, having a cup of coffee with me.
02:46:37.000We watched it on the Communist News Network.
02:47:22.000Anybody that knows anything about any type of rock or glass knows what vitrification is.
02:47:28.000Vitrification is high temps applied to rock and glass, which don't make them What should I say?
02:47:39.000More fragile is what they do is they strengthen them.
02:47:42.000Because in the old days, back in the medieval times and a thousand years before that, they used to strengthen their force by burning great huge fires to vitrify or completely change the solidification of the silica crystals so that it would create almost a solid glass wall which was impenetrable.
02:48:02.000Incredible call, and I wasn't aware of that.
02:48:06.000One thing I'd like to point out, though, is that steel isn't the same as glass or rock.
02:48:12.000So when it heats up, it does start to lose strength.
02:48:14.000But you have to heat it up to about 600 degrees Celsius before it even loses a significant fraction of its strength.
02:48:22.000But the thing is, if it starts to cool down again, it regains its strength.
02:48:26.000So in the case of the South Tower, when the fires were going out, you couldn't see any flames or anything, that steel had regained probably almost any strength it had lost while the jet fuel was still burning.
02:48:35.000Now, the jet fuel burned off within five minutes, because the jet fuel... Has cool burning!
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02:51:57.000We'll be back to Jim here in a second.
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02:52:31.000Try to finish up what you were saying before the break.
02:52:34.000Well, let's see, what was the... I can't remember what I was talking about.
02:52:36.000Talking about the steel in the buildings.
02:52:37.000Oh, just the fact that steel does lose strength at high temperatures.
02:52:41.000One thing to point out about fires in steel-framed buildings is that there's, in the Twin Towers, there's 90,000 tons of concrete in these buildings.
02:52:48.000And if you know the first thing about metals, you know that metal has a high thermal conductivity.
02:52:53.000Take a blowtorch to a big piece of steel, and what happens?
02:52:58.000So even if the fires could get up to some whatever temperature, the steel would be well below those temperatures.
02:53:05.000And-- Well, also, we had the people standing in the holes, the fire fire sand.
02:53:09.000Yeah, and also, yeah, the fact-- well, see, the North-- another thing is that people confuse the North Tower The North Tower had some serious fires, but the South Tower, the fires had basically gone out by the time the building collapsed.
02:53:20.000All there was was just a thin black smoke, the kind that you get when you snuff out a fire.
02:53:24.000Black smoke means an oxygen-starved fire.
02:53:28.000And there were firefighters in the 78th floor sky lobby of the North Tower saying, there's two pockets of fire, let's knock them out.
02:55:16.000The only question I have for you, in order to bring down that building in a controlled explosion, wouldn't they have to have been planning the charges in that building and the wiring and everything?
02:56:11.000Yeah, so we have these whole systems in place, the air traffic control system, NORAD, and everything, and they were all designed to prevent exactly what happened.
02:56:18.000Let's see, what was the comment before?
02:56:20.000There was something I wanted to say on... Jim, what we're going to do is have you back up with us, and I appreciate you coming on.