In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, Alex Jones talks about the Bush administration's record-breaking $2.6 Trillion dollar budget, the Supreme Court ruling allowing the government to draft people that have already served, and the impending arrival of a new era of big government under George W. Bush.
00:01:29.000But then you read all the other headlines, it's big, deep cuts.
00:01:34.000Let me see, we had a 1.7 trillion dollar federal budget a year under Bill Clinton and now we're going to have a 2.5 or 2.6 trillion dollar budget for 2006.
00:01:54.000And I heard neocons all over talk radio yesterday saying this is a conservative budget and really cuts the government And the evil liberals out there don't want to cut the government.
00:03:09.000Bush proposes steep cuts in the budget, but huge expansions of other areas of the budget, and to be technical, some reports say 2.5 5 trillion, others say 2.6 trillion.
00:03:29.000The actual amount, as it stands now, is normally much more once they actually pass it all, is 2.57 trillion.
00:03:39.000And I was taught to round up, so we'll say 2.6 trillion.
00:03:45.000What's a hundred billion here or there?
00:03:50.000Also, some bad news for those that like drafting people that have already served.
00:03:56.000Judge rejects stop-lawsuit versus the Army.
00:04:04.000And as usual, it's kind of a double-think ruling by the judge, U.S.
00:04:09.000District Judge Roy C. Lamberth, for the District of Columbia, said the enlistment contract does not notify those who sign up, but the government could extend their terms of service.
00:04:19.000While acknowledging minimal harm to the Army, if ordered to release the officer, Lamberth said similar claims could lead to substantial disruption and diversion of military resources.
00:04:33.000The judge came out and said, yeah, they lied to you, but, hmm, kind of gave a middle-of-the-road ruling, but it's better than nothing, I guess.
00:04:41.000Golly, scientists get human cloning license.
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00:08:06.000A handful of congressmen could rule America in the event of a catastrophe.
00:08:19.000No longer do Capitol Hill legislators need a quorum to do the people's business.
00:08:24.000Now under a piece of hotly contested legislation, passed without media attention on January 5th, only a few members of Congress are needed to do official business in the event of a catastrophe, instead of the usual 218 that makes a quorum.
00:08:42.0005 paves the way for tyranny, allowing only a few to decide for so many.
00:08:49.000The provision states that the House should be without a quorum due to catastrophic circumstances.
00:08:53.000Then, until there appear in the House a significant number of representatives to constitute a quorum among the whole number of the House, a quorum in the House shall be determined based upon the provincial and provisional number of the House.
00:09:11.000The provisional number of the House, as for the close of the call of the House, shall be the number of representatives We're responding to the call of the House, so I guess just whoever shows up.
00:09:24.000Supporters claim the bill, passed under the cover of Congressional darkness, is intended to allow the government to continue operating in the event of a catastrophic emergency or terrorist attack.
00:09:33.000However, Constitutional experts say the law is blatantly unconstitutional and ripe for challenge.
00:09:40.000Normally, 218 lawmakers out of the 435 members are needed to declare war, pass laws, ...and validly conduct the people's business.
00:09:49.000But under the new rule, a majority is no longer needed when circumstances arise, including natural disaster, attack, and terrorist attacks, rendering representatives incapable of attending House proceedings.
00:10:04.000It's another measure brought up by lawmakers that shows their callous disregard for democracy, said one California attorney who preferred to remain anonymous.
00:10:15.000GOP House leaders pushed the controversial Doomsday legislation, as it was dubbed, through for passage as part of a hefty and voluminous rules package that drew little attention And it was probably not even discovered by many who voted on it since the rules package centered on recent ethics violations.
00:11:55.000And that's just folks reading the newspaper.
00:11:57.000If you were to tune in to the neocon lords of disinformation and big government and open borders and gun control yesterday, I heard them yesterday and this morning.
00:12:12.000And yeah, he's cutting a few things like farm subsidies and they've been cutting VA benefits and doing things like that, though they're now increasing the death benefit for troops.
00:12:21.000While rolling into that bill, a legislation that gives the vaccine makers total liability protection across the board, but that's a side issue.
00:12:30.000If you were to hear these shows or read the newspaper, you'd think there were big cuts.
00:13:46.000The rest... Oh, by the way, the way these budgets always work is that they're always at least 20% bigger by the time they actually pass all the spending authorization.
00:13:59.000Because pork always gets attached and pork barreled on us.
00:14:03.000And so I think we're going to be looking, many experts agree, at a three trillion dollar year in 2006 fiscal year.
00:14:39.000And I got an interesting email the other day.
00:14:41.000Somebody asked, well, Alex, if the military budget is only general military budget, then you have all these supplemental 80 billion dollar packages they've been passing twice a year.
00:14:51.000If the Military budget is $450 billion.
00:15:00.000Then how can there be missing from the Pentagon, in the last two years, $1.2 trillion?
00:15:07.000And in the eight years before that, nine years, excuse me, $1.2 trillion.
00:15:13.000Now a grand total, in the last, um, eleven years, Of 2.4 trillion.
00:15:24.000So in the last two years, it's accelerated geometrically, or exponentially.
00:15:31.000Doubled the looting and stealing of Bill Clinton in the first two years of Lord Bush.
00:15:35.000So, if the budget's only 450 billion, And with all the supplements before that, a little over $500 billion, and then again with the Iraq War the last two years, over that, where's the money coming from?
00:15:53.000They've slashed veterans' benefits, the government had built up its own accounts, had bought its own stock, the Pentagon had its own CAFR, Comprehensive Annual Financial Report, Every time I say that, I get an email from somebody in South Africa going, that's a racist slang.
00:16:12.000No, it's the name of the comprehensive annual financial reports, okay, that counties and cities and school districts and water districts have and the feds have and different federal departments have and state governments have.
00:16:25.000I mean, New York back in 96 had a 1.4 trillion dollar surplus, okay?
00:16:32.000I mean in cream assets, after expenditures.
00:16:36.000So the Pentagon had built up all these huge slush funds, and what they've been doing in the last 11 years is dumping, in fact it was first the Pentagon in 1952 that started setting up comprehensive annual financial reports, or the CAFR reports.
00:16:56.000And so they've started sucking those dry.
00:17:00.000And look, don't believe me, just type 2.4 trillion missing from Pentagon, and you'll get CBS News.
00:17:08.000And I talk a lot about this because I just can't get over it.
00:17:12.000I mean, I've been talking for years, for two years, since I saw the 1.2 trillion in the Associated Press, which they admitted in the press conference was missing, and we don't know where it is.
00:17:23.000And then now, a couple years later, Rumsfeld gives a press conference and it makes it in CBS News and one other news wire, but that's it?
00:17:31.000And then the average person has no idea?
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00:24:20.000We have this gigantic government that will pass laws to forcibly psychologically test all our children with guidelines written by the drug companies.
00:24:30.000Their own documents brag that they'll put half our children forcibly on their new, expensive, psychotropic drugs.
00:24:38.000We've got this police state unfolding.
00:24:40.000We've got RFID tracker chips going and everything.
00:24:43.000And we've got conservatives, people that think they're conservative, running around, giggling and laughing, going, praise the Lord, George Bush is in office.
00:26:17.000And once they got it set up, they asked all these fake false questions, then they tore it apart.
00:26:27.000And they attacked me, I mean, Literally, these were like 20-year-old kids, and I know 20-year-olds that are smarter than I am, but these, these different writers I was talking to, and I talked to the editor, and then I said, look, every time I, they want to talk about bombs in the buildings, and when I say, okay, here's an AP article where they told the reporter, the reporters, get back, we're going to pull the building, and here's Larry Silverstein saying we pulled the building, and gave the order to bring it down, and watched it come down, and here's folks that
00:26:56.000You know, here's Giuliani saying they were told to get out of the building.
00:26:58.000Oh, no, we're not going to talk about that.
00:26:59.000We want to know how you knew there were bombs in there.
00:27:03.000And then they go, well, we found an article here on your website where you say you interviewed two of the seismologists.
00:27:10.000And we called them and you didn't interview them.
00:27:44.000You've got a highly respected publication and if you try to falsify things I've said that I didn't say and try to smear me, you're going to have a problem.
00:27:53.000And I've got to decide what to do about this right now.
00:27:59.000And I told the Redditor, man, I had like a 20-minute discussion with him, and he was like, oh, yes, sure, we're going to double-check everything.
00:28:04.000Oh, yes, I do see the point you've made about, I mean, imagine, it'd be like if I carried an Associated Press article, like I do every day on my website, and then to disprove what the AP reporter had said, they call up the person the AP reporter interviewed and said, Did Alex Jones interview you?
00:28:24.000Well, no, Alex Jones didn't interview me.
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00:33:38.000That's what we've been talking about today, but I tell you, I am really honored to have our guest on with us.
00:33:45.000And he is the Executive Director of the Continuity of Government Commission, who we've been talking about now for about six months.
00:33:53.000And the Commission is an American Enterprise Institute and Brookings Institution project headquartered at AEI.
00:33:59.000It is funded by the Carnegie and Hewlett Packard and MacArthur Foundations.
00:34:04.000Presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford and the Honorary Co-Chairs of the Commission, and Lloyd Cutler and Alan Simpson are the Chairman.
00:34:13.000And our Guest has a bio that's encyclopedic, and I'm not even going to attempt to try to cover it all, but Fortier researches politics, the presidency, continuity of government, elections, the Electoral College, election reform, presidential succession, and disability.
00:34:31.000He is Executive Director of the Continuity of Government Commission.
00:34:34.000Hey, we could probably bring up to him the fact that the Pope's real sick, and they're saying may resign.
00:34:39.000That's another issue, but it's kind of continuity of government.
00:34:47.000Now, what they propose, the amendment to the Constitution, is not to be confused with what was called the Doomsday Plan.
00:34:55.000Something right out of Dr. Strangelove that they passed back on January 5th.
00:35:02.000And just reading one more little paragraph here.
00:35:04.000A handful of congressmen could rule America in an event of catastrophe.
00:35:08.000No longer do Capitol Hill legislators need a quorum to do the people's business.
00:35:12.000Now under a piece of hotly contested legislation passed without media attention on January 5th and a congressional blackout, only a few members of Congress are needed to do official business in the event of a catastrophe instead of the usual 218.
00:35:27.000Now it's basically any number, and this is very scary.
00:35:29.000And I was talking to Mr. Fortier, who is Executive Director of the Cognitive Government Commission, and during the break, and he agreed with me, he said, this is not good.
00:35:41.000I'm glad we don't have to talk about the Pope's suggestion.
00:35:43.000That's another layer of difficulty that I don't think I could rise to.
00:35:47.000I was just, well, I mean, it made me think you're an expert on succession, and so I figured you might have a comment on it, but boy, that's going to be a circus.
00:35:55.000But tell us just a little bit about yourself and then let's launch into why your commission was formed and what you think of this legislation that passed a month ago.
00:36:05.000Well, I'm a political scientist here at the American Enterprise Institute and I do a lot of work on institutions with Presidency and Congress and really the commission came about because of 9-11.
00:36:15.000I'm thinking, my colleague Norm Ornstein started it and others followed on of what would have happened had that fourth plane come and hit the Capitol.
00:36:24.000We know now from the 9-11 Commission that it was the target of the plane that they'd also considered the White House.
00:36:32.000Additional tragedy certainly, but not only tragedy, loss of human life symbolic.
00:36:37.000Uh, tragedy, but possibly, uh, trying to take out our leaders, decapitate our government, make us, uh, vulnerable at a time where we needed real leadership.
00:36:46.000And if you, certainly we would hope the President would stand in a, in a...
00:36:50.000In an emergency, but we have all sorts of questions about presidential succession, if Congress were knocked out for a period of time.
00:36:56.000But couldn't he ride in on a white horse and save us if a rice sack was burned?
00:37:01.000Look, none of us would want that situation where the president was simply in charge and there was no Congress to check him.
00:37:09.000And you might have a case of a president somewhere down the line of succession, the Secretary of Agriculture acting as president that no one knows with no check.
00:37:16.000So ideally we'd like to Our commission is aimed at getting constitutional government back in place as quickly as possible after a catastrophic attack on Congress.
00:37:25.000That was our first report and we are actually working on it.
00:37:28.000Well, I have to be honest with you, Mr. Fortier, I have to be honest with you.
00:37:32.000I thought your plan was scary, but compared, I guess this is the dialectic, compared to what they passed a month and three days ago, it's a real gem constitutionally.
00:37:43.000Right, well, I think, you may not like our plan, but we were up front Constitutionally, we think that you actually need to amend the Constitution, not sort of get around it and interpret things loosely, but we think that you need some sort of temporary people.
00:37:58.000Quickly appointed in the House of Representatives, like we appoint Senators, to be in place.
00:38:02.000All 435 districts would have a Representative quickly, until we can get the elections going, which are going to take time, especially after an election.
00:38:23.000Well, the alternative to that in Congress really is to either do nothing or to do something very small around the edges.
00:38:29.000Some people have proposed trying to get the elections speeded up in the states, but there's a real problem, especially with the case where lots of people are incapacitated.
00:38:37.000Well, in a nutshell, tell us what your plan was.
00:38:39.000Our plan is, if lots of members of Congress are killed or incapacitated, we would allow some sort of appointments, probably by a governor, but there's some other methods.
00:38:48.000That would get somebody in there quickly from each district in Congress and so we could have a full membership and we could meet a quorum requirement.
00:38:56.000A quorum is a majority and then we could have the Congress and the President dealing with our problems with national security.
00:39:02.000So the regional governors would appoint members to the Imperial Council and then at a later date we would have elections at the state level?
00:39:10.000The elections are going to go forward but realistically they're going to take three or four months to undertake.
00:39:16.000In that time period, we did a lot of things after September 11th, and we might find ourselves wanting to have, again, representation from all throughout the country in the body that represents the people the most right after an attack.
00:39:27.000Our goal is to get those people in place quickly.
00:40:33.000I mean, we believe that we want a Congress after an attack, but we don't think any old Congress will do that five members or twenty members Uh, it's a good idea with most of the country, you know, left out and unrepresented.
00:42:02.000I mean, they declare an emergency every year to get around the Constitution and get around budgetary controls, as you know well, I'm sure, sir.
00:42:12.000One of the most worrisome things about this is that the House has to work with others to do many things.
00:42:17.000But one thing it can do by itself, and that's if we really are talking about some sort of attack on us that happened in the State of the Union or something, where everyone is together and the President and Vice President are killed and many members of Congress The Speaker of the House is next in a line of succession.
00:42:31.000And in fact, the law is written so that a new Speaker of the House could come bump out the Cabinet member who takes over as President.
00:42:38.000So, those five people left in Congress, your least five favorite people out there, come together.
00:42:44.000They have a quorum of three, they vote someone to be their new speaker, and that person becomes President of the United States for the next four years.
00:42:50.000So it's a troubling thing that the Congress would try to operate with just a few people, but it's especially troubling if you're really talking about the disaster that affects presidential succession as well.
00:42:59.000Well, we know that political intrigue and assassination has been part of human history, but today we're told it doesn't exist.
00:43:07.000In America, but I think Congress is doing something that's dangerous to themselves in this climate, passing this.
00:43:17.000I know you wouldn't think anyone in the government would go after other members of Congress, but I think it's setting up a recipe for even bigger problems.
00:44:07.000It just says here, let me find it, it says whoever can Get there, I'll find the actual sentence.
00:44:13.000Right, what they're worried about is that in the past they've sort of tried to whittle away saying, well it's whoever's alive, half of whoever's alive, which we think is not really consistent with the Constitution.
00:44:22.000Now they've gone a step further saying, whoever's alive and who's ever able to show up, we'll just say that that group, that's the whole Congress, a majority of them constitute a quorum and we can go ahead no matter how small a group it is.
00:44:34.000This sounds like the final years of the Roman Empire.
00:44:38.000Well, I don't want to attribute too many bad motives to the people who have proposed this, but I do think it is somewhat in reaction to what we've said.
00:44:46.000They've tried very hard to bend over backwards to find some way to keep Congress going.
00:44:51.000But, you know, our point is we want to have Congress quickly in place, we want to have the House quickly in place, but we want to have a full membership of the House.
00:44:58.000We want to have each district... Well, explain to me, though, in the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was passed, what, the night before Christmas?
00:45:07.000Uh, went all through the House, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.
00:45:12.000Uh, and, and, you know, we, we had, what, three Senators, uh, pass it into the rules for the Federal Reserve Act.
00:45:19.000Uh, I mean, so they've already been doing stuff like this before with the lawmaking.
00:45:26.000Well, I mean, I don't know all the details of the case you just put forward about three Senators, but certainly there have been, over the years, occasions where they've been one or two short on a quorum and they've kind of played fast and loose, I think, with some of the precedents and the rules to say, well, let's just push this through.
00:45:42.000A majority of members living or other things.
00:46:06.000I may not persuade you that our proposal is the way to go, but it is a real question of what would happen to Congress and the President if we're talking about many of our leaders being killed and incapacitated.
00:46:17.000And our belief is the Senate pretty much can take care of itself, with some exceptions.
00:46:24.000The House is going to face real problems because it has only one way of filling those vacancies by having elections.
00:46:31.000And that ultimately we need to get people in place quickly, have those elections, and get back to normal.
00:47:00.000Not from the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights.
00:47:04.000I mean, we've got all these White House officials saying Bush is above the law.
00:47:07.000We've got Congress saying we are the law.
00:47:10.000We can have two people, three people here and make it a quorum and do whatever we want and appoint whoever we want president.
00:47:16.000I mean, it's really across the board, just completely alien to the basic canons and foundations and pillars of our society.
00:47:27.000Well, the way to repeal this is, it's a rule of the house, and the house just simply needs a majority of their members to change the rule.
00:47:35.000So they can just pass a rule in the house saying they're God tomorrow?
00:47:39.000Well, they can, and ultimately it may be challenged in court, but I think they feel confident that this... We hope it never comes to the position where this would be challenged in court.
00:47:47.000That would mean that there's been some horrible attack on Congress.
00:47:51.000Well, I know you've talked to a lot of people in Congress.
00:47:55.000How many of them were aware of this because it was tucked into a rules package centering on recent ethics violations?
00:48:04.000Well, there were some voices raised against it in the debate, but most of the attention was on the ethics matters, as you mentioned, and not just general things that come up with the new Congress, the way that new committees are set up and the ratio of things that people care about on a day-to-day basis or a next-week basis.
00:48:22.000This is, unfortunately, thought of, I think, by some as so remote that they don't want to think about it.
00:48:27.000Or, I mentioned also that the House of Representatives has really become divided on this in a partisan way, oddly enough.
00:48:33.000It's not a partisan issue, but people believing that because we could never have, they don't want anyone in the House of Representatives who's never been elected, but trying to find some other way, other than what we propose to have appointments, to allow Congress to continue.
00:48:50.000So, Doctor, finally in the final equation, the House really has more power than the Senate, The House of Representatives, because through the Speaker, you have the line to the Presidency, and so it doesn't matter what rules the Senate makes, the House has basically seized the claim to the Presidential Crown by doing this.
00:49:15.000Well, the Speaker of the House is above the President pro tem of the Senate.
00:49:19.000So it's a Vice President, Vice President, Speaker.
00:49:21.000And if we have a case where The President and Vice President are killed and many members of Congress, and some Cabinet member becomes President.
00:49:29.000So what is the Senate saying about this?
00:49:34.000The Senate is protected in much of these disaster scenarios by the 17th Amendment because governors may make appointments to fill vacancies after they happen.
00:49:44.000So you see a Senator leaving or dying, and quickly there's a replacement.
00:49:49.000So the Senate gets to nearly 100 people within a week and the house is sitting around without without anyone They are either trying to operate on these rules.
00:49:56.000But it sounds to me though like the house can seize total dictatorial control and rewrite the whole form of government under this plan before the Senate is even able to reconvene.
00:50:08.000Well if the house continues in this case A few members are there.
00:50:13.000That person is entitled to become President of the United States under the current law, if there's no President or Vice President, because they've been killed.
00:50:21.000And then under the claims of these executive orders, and now Gonzales' memos, then they're in control.
00:50:28.000And you can imagine, with really not much of a Congress to check the President, or to even speak up, that there's a sort of greater problem than even our typical operating system.
00:50:38.000Well, we're talking to the Executive Director of the Continental Government Commission, a subset of the American Enterprise Institute, Dr. John C. Portier.
00:50:48.000Doctor, can you stay with us about five more minutes?
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00:54:11.000The difference between the plan that the American Enterprise Institute had that would take a constitutional amendment and the difference between the plan that they just passed Is night and day.
00:54:21.000Will you condense that during the break for me?
00:54:31.000We're saying we think we need this change.
00:54:34.000We need people to be appointed to the House of Representatives after a major disaster.
00:54:39.000They could be appointed by the governors or some other way of the states.
00:54:43.000That would be a change in the Constitution, and we would be proposing it.
00:54:46.000And that would retain power at the states, though?
00:54:48.000Yes, it would either allow the governors or the members themselves.
00:54:51.000This new law is a radical centralization in Washington.
00:54:54.000Well, this proposal, this new rules change is done, we think, around the Constitution, trying to say, well, it's not really a majority of people we need in a quorum.
00:55:03.000We don't need at least 218 people here in the House.
00:55:06.000find some circumstances where maybe it would be okay to say five people or ten people are the House of Representatives.
00:55:12.000And that has some real bad implications after an attack when we're looking for normal constitutional leadership.
00:56:21.000i could probably make a lot more money at the end but i uh...
00:56:23.000i thought that they'll look what i mean just a thought here to be fair you know i have problems with the previous plan compared to what they just passed i mean did you hear what's what they just passed out But it's a Yellian.
00:56:40.000It's, well, you know, it's good cop, bad cop.
00:59:04.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:59:08.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:59:15.000Well, well, well, in the last hour, we talked to the Executive Director of the Continental Government Commission, part of the American Enterprise Institute, funded by the Carnegie, Hewlett-Packard and MacArthur Foundations.
00:59:29.000President Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford are the co-chairs of it, but we have the Executive Director on, telling us how horrible the basic martial law plan is, and that, well, we could have somebody in the government go in and take out members of Congress for martial law.
00:59:43.000I mean, I brought that up and he said, oh yeah, that's a real problem.
00:59:46.000I mean, even when we've got establishment people again telling you this is a problem, their plan was to have an amendment, which I think was dangerous enough to have the states appoint members to Congress if they were incapacitated or killed, and they couldn't get a quorum of 218.
01:00:02.000The new law that was passed by Congress that no one was even aware of, we talked about it here on the broadcast before it passed, but it was nowhere in the news, This baby passed a month ago, a month and three days ago, is basically total martial law.
01:00:17.000Three members of Congress can... Others just aren't even there.
01:00:22.000It's just as if they aren't there, they can pass whatever they want.
01:00:47.000What would happen if, and I know your word is the abolishment of the Federal Reserve, what would happen if we just said, you know what, we don't want a private entity Control of a monetary system anymore, and the U.S.
01:01:01.000government... Well, the government would just take control of it, and then remonetize the debt.
01:01:30.000Well, that's all I wanted to know, because I was thinking, well, I wonder if they tried to abolish the Federal Reserve, if that would have an effect on, you know, just our national debt.
01:02:27.000- Yeah, HR 418. - I'm not familiar with that particular bill The name sounds like it's part of the national, uh, AmeriCorps, SecureCorps, uh, new compulsory national service to get out of high school that's also rolled into things like S-89, uh, which is the National Compulsory Service Act, Universal Service Act, but I don't, I'm not familiar with this particular piece of legislation.
01:02:55.000Um, it, it talks about, um, No, I actually don't have it in front of me, but it basically talks about setting up a branch to investigate here in America.
01:03:18.000Well, they've already got that under several different programs they broke it up into two years ago when Dick Armey put on that little theater display of getting rid of the tips system.
01:03:30.000I mean, tips is in, in full force, under, what, three different programs.
01:03:35.000And so, uh, I guess this new bill you're mentioning may be funding that.
01:03:39.000I haven't seen it, so I can't comment.
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01:07:42.000If you go to InfoWars.com, you can link through to our next guest's website, the World Transhumanist Association for the Ethical Use of Technology to Extend Human Capacities.
01:07:56.000And we have Dr. James J. Hughes, and he's the Executive Director of the World Transhumanist Association, and he is a PhD.
01:08:05.000He's the author of Citizen Cyborg, Why Democratic Societies Must Respond to the Redesigned Human of the Future.
01:08:13.000Dr. Hughes teaches health policy at Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut, and serves as Trinity's Associate Director of International or Institutional Research and Planning.
01:08:23.000Dr. Hughes also serves as Executive Director of the World Transhumanist Association as its affiliated institute for ethics and emerging technologies.
01:08:31.000Dr. Hughes produces the weekly syndicated public affairs talk show.
01:08:53.000Cyborg Liberation Front Inside the Movement for Post-Human Rights.
01:09:01.000Sounds like something like a legal entity out of a Larry Niven book or something.
01:09:10.000Well, that article is a report on a conference that we held at Yale University last summer, or the summer before last.
01:09:19.000And we focused that conference on trying to get a dialogue going between the transhumanist movement and bioethics.
01:09:27.000Bioethicists, in general, we believe, have some implicit sympathies with our point of view, but weren't aware of it until we held that conference.
01:09:39.000What does your organization that you head do?
01:09:42.000Well, we have a couple different facets.
01:09:45.000One is that we're a civil rights movement for people who believe that they should be able to control their own bodies, their own brains, their own reproductive capacities, and use emerging technologies to go beyond what some people consider yucky or the natural limits of the human condition.
01:10:02.000So, for instance, we are adamant supporters of life extension technology.
01:10:07.000We think that people have a right to use that, even if other people think that you shouldn't live past 120 or that it's unnatural for you to do that.
01:10:15.000We're advocates of people's right to take drugs, for instance, cognitive enhancement drugs that make them smarter, or genetic engineering that makes them smarter.
01:10:26.000We are advocates of people's right to control their own bodies for aesthetic purposes, the simple body modifications that we see around us today and the things that will come in the future.
01:10:36.000And we believe in people's right to reproductive freedom.
01:10:39.000We think that you shouldn't be told what kinds of children to have, when, and how to have them.
01:10:46.000Well, the problem with some of your statements is that there are inherent dangers in genetic engineering of what type of viruses or bacteria they can give rise to, what changing the basic code of the DNA can do.
01:11:02.000I mean, I've had a lot of different top scientists thought about the subject, even people that support almost unbridled research admit that there are great dangers.
01:11:10.000Are you saying there shouldn't be restrictions on any of it?
01:11:13.000Well, we're principally concerned with biotechnologies that affect the human body, and so we do have opinions, personal opinions, You start talking about what type of children people want to have.
01:11:24.000I mean, the British government's already talking about pre-screening embryos, quote, to see if they're violent or propensity to be evil, thought criminals.
01:11:32.000I mean, whatever you guys are going to push, the state's going to jump on later.
01:11:37.000Well, that's one point of view, and the notion that we can somehow prevent the state from eventually getting involved in biotechnology in order by Forbidding individuals from using biotechnology, I think, is a wrong-headed approach.
01:11:51.000Well, what they're going to do is they're going to keep it all to themselves and use the movements that are against it to monopolize it for the elite.
01:11:57.000I mean, look, I know the elite's obsessed with life extension technology.
01:12:05.000But the point is, is that I don't see the elite ever letting six and a half billion people, and by the time this stuff's viable, eight, nine billion people have access to this.
01:12:16.000I think there is a strong propensity on the part of certain elites, and we certainly see that in the Bush administration, to raise a bunch of bogus fears about the ways that free individuals and free societies might use these technologies.
01:12:30.000And some of it is, for instance, that they don't want overpopulation to run rampant, as if You know, saving human lives today with medical technology and allowing people today to use birth control isn't already driving population growth around the world.
01:12:45.000I mean, there is clearly a genocidal or anti-population control mentality on the part of some of the opponents of life extension technology.
01:12:56.000But when you read an article like, Why the Future Doesn't Need Us by Bill Joy, or you read Age of Spiritual Machines, I'm sure you've read all that.
01:13:17.000And I see it all being walled off behind a wall I think there is a possibility that things could go in that direction.
01:13:26.000I think that's again why we call ourselves the human rights movement.
01:13:30.000being shut out of the entire process with the elite then using these technologies to actually, to use a Frank Herbert term, kind of engineer and suboid the general population comments. - I think there is a possibility that things could go in that direction.
01:13:45.000I think that's again why we call ourselves a human rights movement.
01:13:48.000We want, in the first place, we believe in the legitimacy of institutions like the Food and Drug Administration because we do think that these new technologies should be tested for their safety.
01:13:58.000But then we also believe that there should be as wide access to these as possible, and we don't think that bans on any of these technologies will stop despotic governments, either our own or other despotic governments, from using these technologies for police purposes, for surveillance purposes, for military purposes.
01:14:15.000And so the best way to maintain freedom and liberty around the world is for people to have as widespread and as individual access to these technologies as possible.
01:14:26.000The problem is there's going to be terrorist attacks using these high-tech systems.
01:14:32.000Of course, it'll be the global crime syndicate engaging in the attacks.
01:14:42.000Well, I don't know why that's necessarily a problem.
01:14:46.000From our point of view, it is a problem.
01:14:48.000I mean, there's always going to be crime, and criminals are always going to use new technologies.
01:14:52.000But we saw that the 9-11 terrorists only had to use box cutters.
01:14:55.000So, I think that the modern world is a dangerous and fragile place.
01:15:01.000And one of the best things that we can do as citizens is keep our bodies and our communities strong.
01:15:09.000And using these technologies, we can do that.
01:15:11.000For instance, we can either rely on the government to go out there and identify certain kinds of new bioterrorist weapons that might come online, or we can all keep our immune systems as strong as possible and thereby, as a body, public, in other words, be prepared for some of these bioterrorism attacks.
01:15:31.000better than if we rely on the government.
01:15:34.000Earlier, I was doing the rare thing of trying to eat a hamburger in between you talking and I was about to choke there, but I'm back, ladies and gentlemen!
01:15:42.000We're talking to Dr. James J. Hughes, and he's the Executive Director of the World Transhumanist Association, and their website is transhumanism.org.
01:16:00.000You know, you say men with box cutters carrying out terror attacks.
01:16:04.000That's a whole other subject for debate, but that's basically an impossibility when you actually look at the evidence, but I'm not going to debate you on that subject.
01:16:15.000I see puppets like Bush using good Christian conservatives, who I count myself among them, Saying, oh, we've got to block and control all of this to go back to my previous point.
01:16:26.000So then the elite can basically ban everything except for themselves.
01:16:32.000Well, I think that there is a point to that.
01:16:35.000One of the things that we're very concerned about is that if these technologies are forbidden, it won't mean that they won't be available.
01:16:41.000The people will just have to pay to go to some place like Singapore or Beijing in order to get these genetic engineerings or these nanotechnologies, whatever it is.
01:16:50.000But that's why they want global government, so they can have global law.
01:16:56.000I do think there should be global regulation of some of these technologies, but I think it should be regulation that respects people's individual liberty.
01:17:05.000They give awards to China for being the model nation, and they have hardly any freedoms.
01:17:12.000Well, I understand your point about that, and I'm also concerned that Some of the regulations that are being proposed at the UN could be drastically conservative.
01:17:20.000So, for instance, there's right now a disability rights convention that's being debated and some of the radical disability rights folks who are crafting that proposed legislation are arguing that there should be an international ban on women's right to reproductive freedom over fetuses that might, if they want to terminate pregnancies, where they have a disabled fetus or a handicapped fetus.
01:17:43.000And I think that most people would find that an extremely troubling restriction on women's liberty if... See, there you go!
01:17:51.000human engineering by law being authorized, and then see your argument is, well, it's a deformed baby.
01:17:59.000But see, then it's going to be the government, and I'm against abortion, by the way, then it's going to be the government coming out and saying, oh, you show aggressive tendencies.
01:18:06.000We're going to have to terminate this embryo, and you're going to have to come back in for testing on your next one.
01:18:13.000What I'm talking about is that women have a right to know the contents of their own bodies and to make decisions about whether to continue pregnancies.
01:18:20.000And I think that one of the most traumatic reasons why a woman would want to terminate a pregnancy is if she found out it was severely handicapped in some way.
01:18:29.000And I think women have a right to make that decision.
01:18:31.000So we'll just have to agree to disagree a bit about that.
01:18:33.000Well, I want to talk more about your organization.
01:18:35.000I want to get your futurist view on what life will be like in 20 years.
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01:22:59.000You know, we're told that all these new technologies are, well, just like the buggy whip makers getting angry at automobiles as they became popular in the first just like the buggy whip makers getting angry at automobiles as they became popular in the And that, oh, it's just the next phase of human evolution, this merger with machine.
01:23:24.000And I've got Pentagon documents from 2000.
01:23:27.000Where they say everyone's going to have a brain chip and there's going to be hive minds, all of us connected.
01:23:34.000But all these precursors to this technology that are being put into track and trace and control, that's how all this is being implemented.
01:23:41.000And Dr. Hughes, I mean, how do you respond to that?
01:23:46.000Is engaging in really bad applications of some of the building blocks of the future you're talking about?
01:23:53.000Well, I am concerned about some of the Defense Department research and applications.
01:23:57.000I think the main thing that's problematic about that is that so much is being done without the transparency of public disclosure.
01:24:04.000We know from the Gulf War syndrome and from other health problems of U.S.
01:24:09.000soldiers who return from the field That research is being done on their bodies that they're not being fully informed about, and that they're having long-term health consequences.
01:24:18.000And then it comes out that they were doing experimental programs on them, which is totally illegal!
01:24:23.000I mean, even if you're in the military, you have the right to not be experimented on, and they don't care!
01:24:28.000I completely agree, and I think that the U.S.
01:24:31.000military needs to be held to a higher standard about that kind of medical research, and that we need to know what's going on, because there is a problem about an asymmetry between A public that doesn't have access to these technologies, and a military and police state that does.
01:24:44.000Well, the military is a perfect testing zone because you give the troops stuff that makes them sick, then they come back to your VA for treatment.
01:24:53.000And you get to track what's really happening to them.
01:24:58.000But I wanted to get into the future that you see developing, because you're one of the world-renowned experts on this subject.
01:25:07.000What type of world do you think we'll live in in 20 years?
01:25:10.000Well, one of the things that makes this kind of prediction extremely difficult is the rapid acceleration in all of the technological trends and scientific developments that are leading in the direction of human enhancement.
01:25:22.000For instance, nanotechnology is happening much more rapidly than most of the people in the field expected it would.
01:25:29.000And now we do have the prospect, within about 20 or 30 years, of having nanorobotic systems that could do quite dramatic things inside our bodies.
01:25:38.000Similarly, the sequencing of the human genome happened much more rapidly than had earlier been predicted.
01:25:44.000And now, within 10 years, we're going to have, on the spot, a full genome diagnosis available in every doctor's office, maybe as a security system on your door.
01:25:55.000We're also going to have on-the-spot chromosome genetic engineering machines, machines that can read out new chromosomes for various kinds of tailored purposes.
01:26:05.000That's going to happen in about 10 or 15 years.
01:26:07.000So you start to converge all of these technologies, things that are happening at the molecular level, things that are happening in information science, the Moore's Law, the rapid increase in computing power, Our understanding of the functioning of the brain, our understanding of pharmacology, all these things are coming together and we're going to have some pretty dramatic benefits.
01:26:26.000So a fusion of the third and fourth wave with this exponential growth curve, it's almost unlimited.
01:26:35.000If you take the positive projection of what could happen, I think we could have quite dramatic increases in our life expectancy.
01:26:43.000We could see an almost elimination of mental illness.
01:26:47.000We could see an elimination of mental retardation.
01:27:20.000I think there is a strong concern about when governments and schools collide with parents about what should be done about the medical treatment of children, but it's really a different issue than what I'm concerned about, because what I'm principally concerned about is that All adults should have access to whatever medicines they think help them live better lives.
01:27:42.000I am concerned about pediatric medication.
01:27:44.000My kids are on Concerta, which is a version of Ritalin.
01:27:49.000I found it helped a lot with being able to get through school in ways that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to do.
01:27:55.000So I think a lot of parents will find that Ritalin helps their kids, but I think it should be a family decision.
01:28:00.000So maybe, so you think the drug company is writing up the guidelines and saying half the kids need to be on this stuff?
01:28:07.000Well, what the American... And how do humans survive without Ritalin freeze?
01:28:10.000Well, I mean... The American Academy of Pediatrics thinks that about 5 to 10 percent of kids could benefit from stimulant medications for Attention Deficit Disorder, and only about a 5 percent... 4 to 5 percent of American kids are on stimulant medications.
01:28:24.000Actually, well, yeah, but total with the serotonin reuptake inhibitors and then the We're on the march.
01:28:32.000percent on drugs sir they want to stay there long segment coming up plenty of time to talk I want to get more into what the future is going to look like we're on the march the Empire's on the run Alex Jones and the GCN radio network hi this is Pasha Sharp with the Genesis radio network and I'm here to introduce to you a product that will put the pet back in your step
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01:32:17.000And he's the head honcho, executive director of the World Transhumanist Association.
01:32:21.000During the break, Doc, you were telling me how you're a big fan of drugs and kind of taking control of the human evolutionary process.
01:32:28.000And we were talking about the New Freedom Initiative and this universal screening.
01:32:32.000Please repeat what you were saying during the break, sir.
01:32:35.000Well, I think that in the future one of the things that we're going to have is increasing numbers of technologies that allow us to control our own brain chemistry.
01:32:42.000And the critical issue, and the place where you and I am sure agree, is that people should be able to make those decisions for themselves and not be told by others, by governments, insofar as possible, what to do with their own brains and what to do with their own brain chemistry.
01:32:57.000So in the cases of, for instance, depression, I'm sure you agree that some people benefit from these depressive drugs and the question is whether individuals get to make those decisions or whether they're under some kind of coercion.
01:33:09.000I certainly don't want to see any kind of coercion, but I'm not sure that I agree that a universal Government Public Health Screening Program for Mental Illness is necessarily coercive, but it could be coercive.
01:33:21.000I mean, I've seen hundreds of reports where they force children on these drugs.
01:33:26.000There was a WOAI TV report a few months ago where the average Texas foster child, over two-thirds are on drugs, and the average is four drugs, some as many as 17 drugs.
01:33:41.000And I know for a fact Ritalin causes brain shrinkage, heart enlargement.
01:33:47.000I mean, these are the medical studies done by the institutions and you're saying you're a big fan of it.
01:33:53.000Well, Ritalin's been in use for 50 years.
01:33:55.000Originally it was called... Yeah, look at our society.
01:33:57.000Well, originally it was called minimal brain dysfunction that was being treated for and then it was called hyperactivity and as I said, I was on Ritalin 40 years ago.
01:34:06.000So, there's a whole lot of evidence about what Ritalin can and can't do and what harmful effects it can have.
01:34:13.000And you're right that the abuse of stimulants by people who are not prescribed them in the doses that are used in pediatric treatment can have harmful effects.
01:34:22.000And that's something we have to keep an eye on.
01:34:23.000Well, Doctor, you're a big supporter of drugs, as you said, to take control of the human mind if it's individually a decision.
01:34:53.000Okay, I want to get into, because I hear these futurists on the radio, I read their reports, I've read what you've said.
01:35:01.000I mean, I've heard you guys say, well, the body modification movement, you know, that's paving the way to the acceptance of the cyborg, you know, this new life form.
01:35:11.000People are already declaring themselves, you know, that professor in England, a new life form.
01:35:16.000We know the military's doing a lot of secret projects, and I've talked to people who are involved in them, only described as nightmarish, but how soon do you think we see a real, as you call it, new species?
01:35:27.000Well, it depends on what you mean by a species.
01:35:29.000I mean, the classical definition of a species is an animal that can't breed with another animal.
01:35:35.000And I think that we're going to soon be able to have people who ordinarily wouldn't be able to have natural offspring, will be able to have offspring through the intercession of technology.
01:35:47.000So, for instance, I think that we'll be able to have same-sex children who are the products of both a man and a man or a woman and a woman.
01:35:59.000And so I don't think that actually the traditional understanding of what a species is will be relevant very much longer.
01:36:05.000But there are some suggestions that people might translate out of carbon-based life form altogether and become, you know, computer-based minds.
01:36:14.000And that would certainly constitute a species change.
01:36:16.000You know, even as the computers get more and more advanced, I don't think that they're going to become truly You know, what you'd call self-aware for a long, long time.
01:36:26.000I think that we're gonna see the government and others merging, you know, brain tissue grown from fetuses in with the machines and calling it a machine.
01:36:38.000I think that the challenge of generating a self-aware, self-willed personality inside a machine are much greater than any of the AI enthusiasts think.
01:36:48.000But what we are going to have is an increasingly intimate marriage of computer technology with neural technology.
01:36:57.000The FDA approved for people who have severe paralysis a chip that can be inserted into their brain that can communicate directly from their brain into computers.
01:37:09.000There's stimulation going towards the brain, but there's also a chip now that allows the brain to control a cursor in a computer.
01:37:16.000And of course this is a tremendous boon for people who have severe paralysis because otherwise they would be trapped inside a body and not be able to communicate for as long as 15-20 years.
01:37:24.000What about 20-30 years from now where say 20% of the public, mainly young people, because it will be packaged as some rebellious, trendy thing to do, your parents don't want you to get it, but they pass a global law that you're allowed to go in and be fitted with the new brain chip to interact and the military says you've got to have this to work with us.
01:37:43.000Well, I don't see us getting rid of the Amish.
01:37:45.000different classes of people and then those Christians, they refuse to go along with it and they're living in ghettos because they're refusing and we're having to pay for them and they're just backwards and let's just get rid of them.
01:37:58.000Well, I don't see us getting rid of the Amish.
01:38:00.000The Amish have rejected all kinds of technologies and are actually quite genetically different from the people around them because of interbreeding, but yet they're not being subject to any But I do think that there is... Actually, they're getting put under the squeeze right now by social services and... Well, there's some legitimate questions about how far the rest of us need to bend over backward, and that is where your question comes in.
01:38:23.000So for instance, Do people have a right not to be required to know how to read when they go for a job?
01:38:29.000I think it's perfectly acceptable for employers to expect that their employees, their prospective employees, will know how to read.
01:38:35.000Yeah, so in the future you've got to have the chip, yeah.
01:38:40.000The rest of us shouldn't have to bend over backwards for you, so you just say it's an individual decision, but then we extrapolate out right into, it's going to be reasonable, we're going to have to have the chip.
01:38:51.000Well, you're saying that employers should be forbidden to expect that people have certain kinds of skills.
01:38:57.000But because of the trump card that these technologies give people and the corporation's consolidation, they're going to be... I don't think you want the government passing a law that says that employers are not allowed to ask that people know how to read when they come for a job.
01:39:14.000Yeah, but you just talked about chips.
01:39:16.000Well, I'm saying that in the future, if certain kinds of technologies become widely available and dramatically increase the performance of potential workers, then there may be a little bit of coercion to go and get that.
01:39:28.000Just as, you know, 50 years ago, or maybe 500 years ago, I wouldn't have been able to see very well without my glasses.
01:39:35.000And today, if I tried to go for a job and didn't have glasses, I wouldn't be able to do very much.
01:39:40.000Yeah, but the analogy of putting glasses on your nose and taking a brain chip is light years apart.
01:39:49.000Well, how about wearing your prosthetic limb in the workplace?
01:39:53.000Already we have a debate about what exactly constitutes a disability.
01:39:58.000I have no problem with intelligent artificial limbs.
01:40:03.000That's different than saying you've got to put something into your brain.
01:40:07.000It isn't different because already we have people with disabilities who go into the workplace and say, under the Americans with Disabilities Act, you're not allowed to fire me because Although I could put that prosthetic limb on, I want you to give me a wheelchair.
01:40:20.000What I'm talking about is this technocrat elite, which you obviously are part of, and this future technocrat elite.
01:40:25.000I wish I could get paid by the technocrat elite.
01:40:29.000What's going to happen, this is going to happen because it always happens, it's the way our society works, what's going to happen is they're going to build the infrastructure, the rapidly expanding infrastructure that's going to overlay the current infrastructure, In the fourth wave, they're going to put the infrastructure in where it's designed for the wireheads, the cyberpunks, and we're all going to be second-class citizens, and we're going to have our children taken from us because we're backwards kooks who don't want the chips.
01:40:59.000And it's going to be a hell hole, and it's going to have control designed into it, because that's what the state's always wanted, and you're for the state ordering psychological testing when they're going to write the guidelines, and it's out of control.
01:41:20.000Well, I think there's always going to be a question about what constitutes child abuse.
01:41:23.000And right now, our society leans over backwards to respect the rights of parents who have kooky religious beliefs who want to beat their kids.
01:41:31.000And those kinds of things, I think there is a legitimate question about whether parents who don't teach their kids to read are committing child abuse or not.
01:41:38.000And in the future, not giving your kids certain kinds of medicines and enhancements may be considered child abuse.
01:42:00.000Well, I think that again... Except for the coddled 4% living here in America and the total 10% living in European nations.
01:42:09.000Again, where you and I probably are on the same page is that we want as much individual choice over these things as possible.
01:42:15.000We don't want to see a coercive... But you just said, you just said that it will be basically abusive to not give your child the ZM-12 brain chip.
01:42:24.000Well, all I'm saying is that for all of your listeners, I'm sure that there is some point at which they consider child abuse committed by some parent towards their kid to be so severe that that kid needs to be taken away from that parent.
01:42:37.000Because they won't give them the medications they need.
01:42:40.000Well, if the medication is life-saving, I think most of your listeners probably would agree that the state has a right to intervene and say, look, you have to save your kid's life.
01:42:49.000What do your colleagues think of your ideas and your work at the college?
01:42:56.000Most of them don't seem to have a problem with it.
01:42:58.000I'm always itching for a good argument, but I haven't found one here.
01:43:02.000I used to get more arguments in graduate school at the University of Chicago, where folks were a little bit more conservative.
01:43:07.000Well, I mean, I'm going to be honest with you, Professor Dr. Hughes.
01:43:12.000I'm sitting here and you keep talking, you keep putting out the statement that nothing should be coercive, and it's kind of like Waco and they're ramming the tank into the church going, this is not an assault, and then you come right back with, well, if you're not giving your child the drugs they need, or yeah, the chip they need, yeah, I might need to take them.
01:43:31.000I mean, it's not backwards and weird if I don't want a chip in my brain.
01:43:35.000Well, what I'm talking about, what I'm talking about non-coercion, there's principally for adults.
01:43:42.000With children, we always have the question about what the proper balance is between parents' rights and society's right to protect kids from parents.
01:43:50.000And I think that all of your listeners would find that there are some kids who need to be protected from their parents.
01:44:04.000You know something, this is unbelievable.
01:44:08.000You know something, I'm always interested in people by the art, by the fruits, by what they produce.
01:44:13.000Do you mind telling us, because it's on your website, your organization, tell us about your wife's artwork.
01:44:20.000My wife has long been interested in the intersection between maternity and domesticity and domestic life.
01:44:30.000Her mother was a physical anatomist who studied teeth, so my wife has done a lot of art about the human body and in particular about birth.
01:44:40.000For folks that haven't had the pleasure of seeing some of the art, tell us about an average piece.
01:44:47.000Well, one of her pieces was that she kept track of every lunch that she prepared for our kids over the course of two years.
01:44:53.000Then she made a series of lunch bags, one series out of lead, one series out of paper, one series out of glycerin soap.
01:45:00.000And then had these installations in various galleries lined up or scattered around.
01:45:07.000How about the ones with the teeth and the hair and the umbilical cords?
01:45:12.000Well, the teeth project, again, is kind of a pay-on to her mother who studied the evolution of Native American teeth.
01:45:19.000But in her case, my wife's case, she took casts of our kids' teeth as they fell out over the course of their five-year-old to ten-year-old selves.
01:45:29.000And then cast them into silver and had a series of teeth on the wall cast in silver that showed that evolution of their mouths.
01:45:41.000Well, the umbilical cord, of course, has always been a profoundly spiritual symbol in a lot of different cultures, and so she kept the umbilical cord.
01:45:48.000We had our kids at home because we're very critical of obstetric practice, and she kept the umbilical cord.
01:45:55.000But you want the state to have forced psychological testing?
01:45:59.000Well, I think the state has a role in encouraging public health, subsidizing various kinds of... But you don't trust them to have your children at the facility?
01:46:08.000Well, the state didn't have very much to do with that.
01:46:10.000We have private health insurance, and the private health insurance Would either pay for a midwife to come to our house, or we could go to the hospital.
01:46:32.000Well, I think, yeah, I think the government has legitimate reason to say that certain kinds of people can practice medicine and others can't.
01:46:40.000And it has a legitimate reason to say that you can deliver kids.
01:46:44.000You have to deliver them... You know, Doc, I think you're talking yourself in circles here.
01:46:47.000No, I... Well, I think I'm trying to make a point that the government has legitimate rights to set certain kinds of regulation for medical practice.
01:46:55.000And it doesn't have anything to do with whether there's a legitimate right for me to have my kids at home.
01:47:01.000If the government were to say I couldn't have my kids at home, then I would have to fight that law, but the government allowed me to have my kids at home.
01:47:07.000So you see yourself as a pioneer, I would guess?
01:47:14.000This time of history, it's hard not to be a pioneer.
01:47:21.000I mean, I find you to be an intriguing individual, and I appreciate your honesty with this.
01:47:25.000I just, out of the gates, I see all these applications being used for the bad, not for the good.
01:47:29.000And I don't see choice being involved.
01:47:32.000I see choice being phased out quite rapidly.
01:47:35.000And I think that discussions of taking people's children because they won't put them on the drugs that would advance them, I don't buy the school of thought.
01:47:45.000I wasn't proposing that, but it's your hypothetical.
01:47:48.000Well, they are taking people's children by the thousands that won't put them on drugs.
01:47:52.000I think that we have to have this debate, because no matter, I don't care how extreme your guest or your listener is, There's some point at which they think apparent... But who governs who is extreme?
01:48:30.000But if someone's walking down the street gibbering to themselves, I think that we have a responsibility, a compassionate responsibility as a society.
01:48:38.000To go up to that person and try to figure out how we can keep them from hurting themselves and hurting others.
01:48:50.000But I still think that most of us would agree.
01:48:53.000That we have a social responsibility to have a government to stop crime and to make sure that people who are in severe need have what they need.
01:49:02.000And I think that what you seem to be really worked up about is this government plan to do mental health screening.
01:49:08.000And I understand why you're worked up about that.
01:49:10.000But I think that the question of whether the government has an obligation To figure out how much mental illness there is in our society and what we can do about it.
01:49:18.000Sir, I have the government documents and I've had former folks that were, you know, number two, Department of Education, where they were in meetings where the plan is to dumb our kids down.
01:49:28.000Well, I... You just... I believe very bad things about the Bush administration, but that's not one of the things I believe.
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01:54:55.000Now, going back to Dr. James J. Hughes, who's the Executive Director of the World Transhumanist Association, Mr. Hughes, again, talking to you during the break, you talk about all this freedom and liberty and doing all of this, and then You know, I said to you, well, it's not natural for children to be on drugs.
01:55:22.000You said, well, death isn't natural anymore at 40.
01:55:26.000Well, to make the comparison between something like that and people being forced on drugs in mass is ridiculous.
01:55:34.000Then that gives the state total control over controlling those drugs and how they're distributed and everybody being an addict.
01:55:40.000But then on top of that, Professor, We then have the fact that it looks like we have an angelic government right now.
01:55:47.000We're building mechanisms of total tyranny, and tyranny always takes control of those mechanisms.
01:55:54.000Your comments to that, and tell us about your book.
01:55:57.000Well, my book is called Citizen Cyborg, and it reviews in the first third of the book the technologies and how rapidly they're going to come upon us for human enhancement, and then I outline The different political factions that are beginning to shape up on the right and the left, opposed to and in favor of these technologies and the different arguments that they use about them.
01:56:18.000And then I proposed a series of public policies in the latter part of the book.
01:56:23.000about how to regulate these technologies to ensure that they're safe and universally available and empower people and don't increase the amount of tyranny in our society.
01:56:32.000You take a liberal country like Germany, I bet you like their laws.
01:56:36.000They're saying to women, your 25-year-old computer programmer, no, you want your unemployment check, you've got to go be a prostitute and serve as ten men a day because there's no morals anymore.
01:57:12.000I'm for the legalization of sex work, as they have in Holland, because I think that... And then, well, they would legalize both, so... And then telling her, you don't get your unemployment unless you go take this job.
01:57:22.000That only happens when you have coercive workfare policies, as were instituted here in the States, where you tell women who have three kids that they have to go out and find a job, and they can't stay home and take care of their kids.
01:59:29.000Well, you posed a hypothetical about whether employers should have a right to have certain expectations of what their employees are able to do.
01:59:37.000Well, and I... You compared it to breathing oxygen, yeah.
01:59:41.000I compared it to reading, and I think that employers do have a right to expect their employees to read, and I don't think very many of us... Hey, you're gonna win!
01:59:48.000You got the men in the black ski masks with machine guns backing you up.
01:59:55.000You know, I told you about the Department of Education documents where they said we're going to dumb the people down into unthinking, mindless idiots.
02:00:02.000And you did agree during the break with me that, yeah, institutions do tend to want to knock the edges off people.
02:00:07.000That's right, and I think that's why we need to give people as much control over their own personalities as possible, because I think most of us would choose to be... No, what you're doing is legitimizing all this so you can then force it on us!
02:00:18.000Well, I think most of us would choose, to the extent that we have control over our own brain chemistry, to be creative, independent, free-thinking individuals.
02:00:25.000Have you heard about these viruses they're going to inject people with?
02:00:27.000They're about to make it law in England that re-engineer the brain?
02:01:57.000But not when you got that case in New Mexico, that gentleman being charged with child abuse for taking his kid off Ritalin because it wasn't doing him any good.
02:02:07.000You don't have much of a choice then, do you?
02:02:11.000That is a case I disagree with because I think that this should be left up to, for as much as possible, to the decision between a parent and their kid and their doctor.
02:02:21.000In the case of the harmful effects of not being on Ritalin, I don't think that they're so harmful that the state should step in.
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02:05:56.000The Casual Society Control Grid straitjacket is going into place.
02:06:01.000The dehumanization is being accelerated.
02:06:06.000The entire world population is going to be, in an orderly fashion, exterminated by 80 to 95 percent according to UN documents.
02:06:16.000And the small group that's left will be a drugged out, mindless minion class, literally with their disconnect buttons at the fingertips of the elite.
02:06:25.000Now that's what I see being set up, that's what the documents show, that's what the Pentagon says, that's what the Ted Turners and the Prince Phillips are out promoting.
02:06:34.000I've really been honored to have Dr. James J. Hughes on the website transhumanism.org for those that are public school educated.
02:06:42.000Since they started all these great new ideas, we can't read and write or even think.
02:06:45.000Transhumanism is spelled H-U-M-A-N-I-S-M.O-R-G.
02:06:56.000And I want to get into a few issues with him, but I also want to go to Annette and Linda and Bart and George and My wife hadn't called in to my show in about four years, and she called in.
02:07:19.000But Doc, you were Earlier, before the break, we were talking about Germany, where they say, OK, there is no right or wrong, so we've legalized prostitution, and now you can't say it's right or wrong.
02:07:31.000You've got to go service 10 men a day to a 25-year-old woman with a college degree who can't get a job as a software engineer anymore.
02:07:39.000And then you were making some comments about that?
02:07:41.000Well, it's really not a topic that our organization addresses, so it's kind of off-topic.
02:07:47.000That just shows what the state is doing.
02:07:49.000You know, when there are no morals, when it's all just Well, generally I'm much more in sympathy with the kind of social policies that they have in places like Holland and Germany, and one of the attitudes that they have over there is that people should be able to smoke marijuana without going to prison, and that women That the best way to control prostitution is not to throw women who sell their bodies in prison, but to get them organized in health check-ups.
02:08:13.000And as soon as they did that, my point is, they then jumped right into, we're taxing it now, and we're the state, and we're now your pimp, and we're gonna go grab good-looking young women that have got careers ahead of them, now that the state controls things, and you're gonna have to be our whore!
02:08:27.000Prostitution is the oldest profession, probably, in human race.
02:08:30.000But what about the state telling you you have to do it?
02:08:33.000And I think that women should not be thrown in prison for practicing it.
02:08:41.000I'm saying I don't think that women should be thrown in prison for practicing prostitution.
02:08:46.000An open profession that we make sure is safe and that women are not infected.
02:08:51.000But then if we say it's normal, hold on a second, then if we say it's normal, and then in this new futuristic world, there are no morals, but what the state tells you, then the state says you shouldn't have a problem with destroying your psychology and getting in bed with him in a day you don't know.
02:09:05.000Well, why does the state have to enforce our morals?
02:09:07.000Why can't women make a decision for themselves?
02:09:09.000The state's saying there are no morals.
02:09:15.000Well, I told you that the problem with the German policy is that they're coercing women who are on public assistance to leave public assistance to find employment, and then you're saying that this is one of the employments that they could find.
02:09:27.000And that's the problem when the state controls everything and has universal psychological testing for all of this.
02:09:31.000They're going to tell us what we've got to do!
02:09:33.000What we need to argue about, I think, in that case is whether governments should force women on public assistance to leave their families in order to get jobs, and I'm opposed to that.
02:09:41.000I was opposed to it when Clinton did it over here, and I'm opposed to it under the Bush administration as well.
02:09:47.000Well, let me... I want to tell you, since you didn't know about it, you've heard of the vaccine that, quote, stops the child's synapses from being able to pick up narcotics and nicotine?
02:10:10.000It's a drug that interferes with kids' ability to uptake certain kinds of drugs.
02:10:16.000I think the critical question there is obviously we think all parents should have a right and an obligation to keep their kids off of drugs.
02:10:23.000But for parents to permanently change their kid's brain so that they can never experience certain kinds of drugs, I think it's far too far.
02:10:30.000Well, then they can't even experience their own endorphins!
02:10:33.000But my point is, the government system that you're saying is so great, give them all this power, look at what they're doing out of the gate!
02:10:39.000Well, it doesn't require a government system.
02:10:41.000That kind of technology is going to be offered to parents over here without any kind of government interference.
02:11:44.000This system you've bought into has been craftily designed to get us in the criminal justice system, the psychiatric system, or the welfare system.
02:11:51.000It's all designed to get us dependent.
02:11:54.000Well, I don't share your worldview, but... It's not my worldview, sir!
02:12:13.000I have a very strict and clear set of morals.
02:12:16.000I'll tell you what, my wife, Violet Jones, has called in, I think it's about four or five years, she's got a person to set you up for this broadcast, and we'll go to Annette and Linda and Bart and George.
02:12:26.000My dear, you are on with a good professor!
02:12:43.000Now, this is a secular show, but you have a very spiritually oriented background, and I think your approach to transhumanism is a spiritual approach.
02:12:53.000So, you were once a Buddhist monk, right?
02:13:42.000Um, moreover, transhumanism is nihilistic at its core, holding that being merely human is wholly inadequate to attaining a truly fulfilled and happy life.
02:13:52.000For transhumanists, humans aren't smart enough, strong enough, pretty enough or healthy enough for life to really be worth living.
02:14:05.000Well, let me just correct you about transhumanism and its relationship to spirituality.
02:14:10.000We have recently polled our membership, our 3,000 members around the world, about their spiritual beliefs, and we found that although the vast majority of transhumanists are secular of one sort or another, secular humanists or whatever, that we have christian transhumanist and hindu transhumanist and eastern orthodox and mormon and all kinds of folks and I happen to be a buddhist.
02:14:32.000Sir, I think your world view is even more dangerous because of how it kind of squiggles around issues and I call it moral relativist.
02:14:43.000I think it's... Let me answer your wife's question because I don't think that there's any necessary relationship between a belief in the afterlife and the conclusion That it's probably a good idea for us to have technologies that allow people to live an extra 50 years, or technologies that wipe out... Or forever with the cybernetic interfaces?
02:15:04.000Well, that people should have a right to control their own brains, and if they find that it's useful to have a cybernetic interface, that they should have a right to have one.
02:15:10.000Of course, it won't even be the original creature.
02:15:12.000What Wesley's point is... What Wesley's point is, and what some Christian conservatives have said about transhumanism, is that we're some kind of anti... you know, we hate the body and we hate the human condition.
02:15:24.000We think it could be radically improved.
02:15:26.000We think that people will generally enjoy living a second time this year.
02:15:30.000I don't want to hear how man and the government and the elites want to improve the body.
02:15:34.000I see an obsession with death and sickeningness.
02:15:36.000I'm getting that impression, Alex, but what I'm saying is that... I understand what you're saying, and I understand your response to that, but you clearly are a person with strong spiritual beliefs because you were once a Buddhist monk.
02:15:52.000I'm still a Buddhist, and I have not had the opportunity to read your book, but basically this review by Wesley J. Smith, whose opinion I admire greatly in most things and everything that I've read about him.
02:16:05.000Well, you have to read my review of his book.
02:16:06.000Well, and I, you know, might be... Oh, were you for euthanasia?
02:16:11.000Well, here's an interesting thing that Wesley J. Smith says, and I was going to try and find it.
02:16:17.000Has to do with embryos and certain things being unaware or not self-aware.
02:16:23.000Let me, I'm sorry, I'm scrolling on the internet.
02:16:25.000Let's just ask him, are you here for using all these baby parts?
02:16:29.000Well, one of the concerns that Wesley has about my work... Yeah, I have it.
02:16:36.000Hughes democrates human embryos, fetuses, presumably infants, who are after all not self-aware, and those with profound cognitive disabilities to the status of property or sentient property.
02:17:01.000And, I mean, Alex was just talking earlier on the program about the possible combination of embryonic... Pimeras.
02:17:09.000...neurocells with machines, you know, unborn children who've never had the chance to live out their destiny being combined with some sort of horrific...
02:17:21.000Doctor, can you stay with us just a little bit more, take some more calls?
02:17:23.000Absolutely, I want to answer your wife's question.
02:17:25.000Alright, honey, stay there, and then we're going to come back and go to Annette and Linda and Bart and everybody else, George that's holding, so whether you're calling from West Virginia or Chicago, Illinois, stay there, we'll be right back, InfoWars.com, PrisonPlanet.com, we're fighting the Prison Planet Builders!
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02:22:13.000And I want to go to Annette and Linda and Bart and all these callers for our guests, but Going back to my wife, Violet, finish up what you were going to say.
02:22:20.000Well, I was reading again in this article while you were on break, and I just was struck again by another sentence, and of course we're talking about Wesley J. Smith, who wrote The Culture of Death, and his review of... Citizen Cyborg!
02:22:38.000Anyhow, it states how Dr. Hughes, some of your favorite philosophers that you refer to frequently in their book are Infanticide proponents Peter Singer and Jonathan Glover.
02:22:52.000We're not just talking about embryonic stuff here, we're talking about actual infanticide.
02:23:01.000I'm just really concerned about this whole issue as not only being nihilistic, but it's an extinctionist thing.
02:23:08.000I think it's an extension of Peter Singer's animal rights thing, which is extinctionist.
02:23:18.000From the things that we've been talking about, I envision a horrifically possible future where Children's brains have been melded with machines and things like in the Matrix where people are plugged in, just their minds driving.
02:23:32.000And whatever happened to humanity, the love of humanity?
02:23:35.000I think life is beautiful and humanity is beautiful.
02:23:42.000Yeah, Violet, I think your concerns are about those kind of scenarios are absolutely legitimate because what we could have is the coercive use of these technologies to restrict people's liberty.
02:23:52.000I think that's why we need to have a civil rights movement around people's right to use these technologies in self-chosen ways.
02:23:59.000I am, of course, opposed to infanticide.
02:24:03.000But the issue is framed between people like Wesley J. Smith and myself.
02:24:08.000Wesley is an advocate of what I call human racism.
02:24:10.000He believes that Being a human has some kind of meaning and that it is in itself something that needs to be protected from the moment of conception.
02:24:20.000Oh, now it's racism to want to stand up for the human species.
02:24:24.000And my argument is that humanness in the first place doesn't really exist.
02:24:28.000You know, we recently discovered the hobbits of Indonesia who were about half our height and were genetically similar to us but wouldn't have been considered human.
02:24:37.000But if they were tool users and language users and had culture, I think they should have had rights even if they weren't human.
02:24:44.000But the cockroaches can't vote, so you'll vote for them.
02:24:51.000I think the key issue here is whether humanness is a moral category.
02:25:37.000Alex, I have a comment for you, but first I would like to address the root of the basis for a doctor's used tendency to believe or to accept the world of artificiality.
02:25:50.000And that would be the doctor's demon possession.
02:25:52.000As necessary, as necessary to perfect human beings.
02:25:57.000Now, coming from a Christian background with a great deal of uh... investigation into the uh... scientific and uh... sanitation rules of the old testament the laws that were given on mount sinai for to produce the seed well to produce a people that would be physically mentally
02:26:26.000Intelligent, productive people who thought in terms of the long range, not only of their immediate circumstances, and that would produce a beautiful environment, and witnessed Solomon's reign.
02:26:42.000So what's your question for the doctor?
02:26:44.000Well, my question is, were you ever exposed to the scientific laws of the Bible, the Old Testament?
02:26:54.000There are commandments, statutes, and judgments.
02:26:59.000And you see, I believe that the Creator gave us a manual.
02:27:03.000And the manual was to be used... Let me get a comment from him.
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02:31:18.000Real quick, Dr. William Deagle, we've had him on before.
02:31:20.000He advised Homeland Security, worked in a lot of classified programs, and advised Homeland Security, and he's been in a lot of these meetings.
02:31:28.000Reported news here that later came out in the mainstream about the Roundup plans, the forced inoculation plans.
02:31:33.000Dr. Deagle called, and he got a comment for Dr. James J. Hughes.
02:31:38.000Go ahead, Dr. Diegel, who's a medical doctor.
02:31:43.000My comment and question would be that it sounds like it's high-minded to be a civil rights advocate for the transhumanist.
02:31:51.000That doesn't mean you can't get a hip replacement, but what he's proposing, and I'm going to get down to the nub of this, is civil rights for all living things with all boundaries between species broken.
02:32:05.000And what it will result in is the creation, as I've seen classified documents, to create cyborg soldiers, to create a caste system within our culture.
02:32:21.000It also is going to create a situation where I know, about classified research going on in anti-aging technologies, Some of them are very benign and very cruel.
02:32:30.000I told you last time you were on, don't get into that stuff that's classified.
02:32:41.000Without making new sub-races or super-races, The elite want to make a super race that basically rules over us for millennia.
02:32:51.000They're in love with a Nietzschean beast man.
02:32:54.000I think you've got an absolutely important point there and that is that We need to make sure that the human race moves forward together.
02:33:03.000It won't do for some of us to become... But you think the state should be able to force drug us?
02:33:06.000It won't do for some of us to become super beings.
02:33:08.000You're against them having total control, but you want to give them all the tools to do it?
02:33:11.000Well, the problem is that people are not going to make, even if they think they're making correct judgments.
02:33:16.000And I'm going to go back to the quote of the lady earlier that talked about the rules in the Old and the New Testament.
02:33:21.000And the rule in the Old Testament was, You shall not mix the species and what's going on is what happens when you make a transhuman mouse that has a human brain in it?
02:33:29.000What happens when you make a transhuman bear or another animal that it basically thinks, talks, and has a voice box and new neurons that allow them to do things that are human?
02:33:39.000Let me set that aside for a question and just ask, do you think that we should all be able to live as long as Methuselah?
02:33:45.000I don't see any problem with that at all.
02:34:16.000Which do you think is the better way to assure that that bad outcome doesn't happen?
02:34:21.000Wait, wait, just let me, the two options I see are to ban civilian use of these technologies or to encourage widespread access to these technologies.
02:34:30.000Which do you think is a better way to go?
02:34:31.000I think what we have to do is do something different than either one of those options, which is, number one, we need to, as a human race, make a judgment, as a human race, to actually listen to the wisdom of the Old Testament, which is, if you create new creatures, you're going to have things like the P-E-R-V gene get out of pigs and kill millions.
02:34:50.000You're going to create new types of catastrophes that are going to cause tremendous cultural and other damage.
02:34:56.000I mean, look at movies like the Star Wars and the War of the Clones.
02:34:59.000If we don't think these things are in our future, or thousands of subspecies and superspecies of humanoid beings a thousand years from now, this is what's going to result, and it will not be pleasant.
02:35:09.000It will be a result in wars and rumors of wars for millennia between these various different types of - Dr. Deagle, I want to thank you for your points.
02:35:27.000I would like to know where the freedom of choice is for parents when all of our foods are loaded with artificial flavors and colors which are made out of petrochemicals And that's what causes the ADD.
02:35:42.000Yes, the petrochemicals, the food additives, which we don't seem to have a choice over because the FDA protects the food industry, is actually drugging our children Don't they sell organic vegetables in your local market?
02:36:40.000Big corporations have far too much influence over the Food and Drug Administration.
02:36:43.000We saw that with Vioxx and we've seen it with all kinds.
02:36:45.000This is one of the big problems with the Bush Administration is that they take all the corporate lobbyists and lawyers and they stick them in to be regulators for these industries.
02:37:03.000What I'd like to say is that hell itself has been built on pragmatism and much like one of your callers that was a New Ager that called in last week, I really feel the doctor has been blinded by the potential of these technologies and is not understanding... Yeah, he's caught up in the gray and he's going to get sucked into the black.
02:37:22.000Well, but there's a line between technological advancement and fundamentally altering the human race.
02:37:29.000You know, the buggy whip argument doesn't fly with me Because you're talking about changing the human mind.
02:37:39.000I know he thinks it's great, but I'm saying the dangers in doing that are unlimited.
02:37:43.000You know, you can even look at popular culture, like movies like Gattaca or Ghost in the Shell, where essentially, you know, in one, the human mind is no longer solid.
02:37:52.000Well, I think from this we've gotten a solution.
02:37:56.000Instead of debates about which Super Bowl commercial is our favorite, we should be having a real debate daily in society about this.
02:38:05.000I think science fiction movies are entertainment.
02:38:08.000They don't really tell us what's going to happen in the future.
02:38:10.000The science fiction of 25 years ago is the reality today.
02:38:13.000Art imitates life, and life imitates life.
02:38:15.000I don't see the giant ants eating Cleveland yet, but, you know... You can use whatever example you want.
02:38:21.000I do see space stations and satellites.
02:38:56.000We're all connected by computers right now, and we have the problems of spam.
02:38:59.000That whole argument about the government already has all your personal data, so so what if they get more?
02:39:03.000I mean, that's like saying you've got one leg that's cut off, so let's cut the other off.
02:39:07.000We have the problems of spam and personal privacy and computer viruses.
02:39:11.000Don't worry, the UN will save us with the tax.
02:39:14.000So we're going to enlarge that problem to include our personal minds and thoughts?
02:39:17.000So let me ask you, is your solution to the problem to get rid of computers?
02:39:21.000No, my solution to the problem is not to create technologies that go beyond all bounds of... Okay, well I'm saying... Cool!
02:39:27.000You know, we have the computer, that's an object that's outside of myself.
02:39:32.000Whatever problems it creates in the future to have the ability to directly communicate with our computers from our brains, Those problems will be as manageable as we find today, computer viruses and all the other problems that computers bring today.
02:39:46.000There's nothing profoundly different that's going to change, is what I'm saying.
02:39:49.000We've been changing, we've been creating external devices to help our brains compute since we wrote down the first written language.
02:39:56.000Yeah, but not altering the brain itself or hooking it into some government control.
02:39:59.000As soon as we wrote down written language, we were saying we don't have to memorize these things anymore.
02:40:03.000It wiped out the whole profession of storytelling.
02:40:06.000You can't compare writing to having everyone have a chip put in their head by law.
02:40:19.000You're a dangerous man, but I don't think you're a mean man, and I think you're a doctor of politics versus a doctor of science, and I prove it to you.
02:40:26.000If you would subscribe later as a doctor, they will revoke your license.
02:40:32.000Although thousands and tens of thousands of people in other countries are being cured of cancer.
02:40:37.000And the quick question I have with you is, is cancer caused by a virus or by bacteria?
02:40:43.000Well, I'm a sociologist, not a medical doctor, but I do have an opinion about... Most are caused by viruses and tissue that's already replicated many times and unable to resist the virus.
02:40:54.000It's a deficient disease, and if we would get the right food in our bodies, we could all be healthy people.
02:41:00.000But because it's a multi-billion dollar industry, they don't want to find the cure.
02:41:05.000That's the thing, I don't think the professor knows just how evil the controllers are.
02:41:09.000He doesn't know anything, this professor here, unfortunately.
02:41:11.000I'm a man of ten children and I wouldn't even go to you, doctor.
02:41:31.000All they want to do is take our vitamins!
02:41:33.000And sometimes they don't because they've been corrupted by big corporations, and sometimes their regulatory agencies are overly zealous, and sometimes they're not zealous enough.
02:42:10.000We are God-given entities, and God gave us a brain, and he gave us a free choice.
02:42:15.000I don't need you to tell me what I should do with my service.
02:42:18.000And we're the most powerful thing on this planet, and the elite can't dominate us, so they want to set the trap for us to merge with their devices so they can control us.
02:42:26.000And the battle cry now, smash the machines, Bavarian Jihad!
02:42:31.000Listen, I appreciate your call, George, and I want to tell the professor, we're going to win, we're going to smash the new world order, and we're never going to stop.
02:42:40.000Professor, you are the author of Citizen Cyborg.
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02:54:52.000Stormin Marxist is toast of the neocons, London Times.
02:54:58.000An obscure Marxist professor who has spent his entire academic life in Manchester has become the darling of Washington right wing for his outspoken support of the war on Iraq.
02:55:07.000Well, the neocons are all Trotskyites, folks.
02:55:11.000Despite his leanings, Norman Grias, who writes a blog diary on the internet, has praised President Bush and says the invasion of Iraq was necessary to oust the tyrannical regime of Saddam Hussein that our government put in.
02:55:24.000And his daily jottings have brought him to the nickname of Stormin' Norm from the title of his daily Norm blog.
02:55:30.000The Wall Street Journal has reprinted one of his articles in the online edition of American Pundits often cite his words.
02:55:37.000So see, everybody being cited are communists.
02:55:41.000See how this scrambles your left-right paradigm?
02:55:45.000Again, a $2.6 trillion budget, biggest ever by hundreds of billions, is smaller government!
02:56:01.000Call me a freedom lover, fighting the pack of liberals, the pack of conservatives, all those that want me and my family to be their slaves.
02:56:09.000Also, there was an article out of the Fort Wayne newspaper, where when you go in the hospital, you're going to have to have a microchip inserted under you, but that's no big deal.