Alex Jones talks about the Terri Schiavo Schindler case, the 8.7 earthquake in Angola, and the Clinton administration s plan to take over the world by replacing Bill Clinton with his old man, William J. Clinton.
00:02:11.000And George Bush has been protecting him all along, blocking release of documents, ordering Congress, which I didn't think the executive could do, to not investigate Clinton.
00:02:22.000So we'll get into the geopolitical landscape and what it's shaping up.
00:02:27.000Ebola-like virus deaths in Angola, A rising travel warning issued.
00:02:34.000That will be very serious if any of that stuff ever spreads over here.
00:02:39.000And we'll get into not just the earthquake yesterday, but how earthquakes are at record levels in recorded history right now.
00:02:50.000We've had two of the biggest earthquakes in recorded history just in the last four months.
00:03:02.000And at the same time, there's a whole bunch of new developments concerning Terri Schiavo.
00:03:10.000Terri's demonstrating her will to live, follow the Constitution, Governor Bush, grant clemency to Terri Schiavo Schindler.
00:03:21.000At the same time, different law enforcement groups are calling for a criminal investigation and a freeze on the dehydration and murder of Terri Schiavo Schindler.
00:03:34.000But as we learned over the weekend, they were already sending state police to rescue her, but the little Pinellas Park police said they were going to have a standoff with them, and even joked how many of us can hold off the National Guard, and Jeb Bush did absolutely nothing.
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00:09:01.000But I choose to not have it because more of our stations do want that first little five minute segment and they opt out of the supposed news and just get it here.
00:09:14.000So we are into our second segment now and I do have a Council on Foreign Relations member His book is published by the Council on Foreign Relations, that organization openly calling for world government with most prominent members of academia, finance, government, media, the arts being members of it.
00:09:36.000And this member of the CFR has written a book that I agree with against torture.
00:09:43.000And so we're going to be having him on to talk about torture and who knows, maybe a little bit about the CFR.
00:09:51.000Because the CFR, of course, does have its token good members in it.
00:09:57.000I guess kind of for PR purposes, but this is an interview you do not want to miss coming up in the middle of the next hour.
00:10:04.000Well, at the start of the next hour, in the middle of the broadcast.
00:10:08.000The middle third of this transmission against tyranny.
00:10:15.000I had just gotten some coffee kind of late in the morning.
00:10:21.000I had it sitting up here on my broadcast desk and for some reason was grabbing at some papers under the stack and knocked the whole giant brimming container that I just got at the Rockefeller Exxon into my lap.
00:10:38.000Yes, I was up late working last night.
00:10:41.000I did the Jeff Wrench radio program and then did about three hours of research after that.
00:10:48.000Still got up pretty early this morning, but never got around to making any coffee.
00:10:52.000So when I left the house and went to the office, I pulled in and got some coffee and just a few minutes after I had gotten into the studio in the middle of that last break, spilt it into my lap.
00:11:02.000So I am, I think, more awake now than if I would have drunk that coffee.
00:11:08.000Alright, enough with the mindless issues.
00:11:11.000I don't think you tune in to hear me talk about coffee, do you?
00:11:15.000Bill in Ireland, and Kenneth in Louisiana, James in North Carolina, Johnny in Canada, John in Texas.
00:11:21.000We're going to go to your calls here in just a few minutes.
00:11:23.000I want to do things a little bit different today.
00:11:26.000I normally go to calls about 30 minutes into the broadcast.
00:11:28.000We're just going to go to your calls basically immediately.
00:11:30.000And then I'll get into Depressed Annan.
00:13:06.000Hundreds died in the Indonesian quake that was an 8.7 right in the same area as the quake that killed hundreds of thousands via tsunamis back on the 26th of December.
00:14:57.000Because she's a dear, sweet creature, who was, now I've got other affidavits and medical reports by doctors, do you know ten years ago they were able to get her up and help her that she could walk?
00:15:10.000A bunch of other affidavits about her eating, other affidavits about her talking, but anybody who doesn't get rehabilitation isn't going to get better.
00:16:24.000I mean, I think we should still try to save her.
00:16:26.000But 10, 11 days without water, it kills most people.
00:16:32.000Well, as you said, she was through this before, so she has inner strength.
00:16:37.000She was given Holy Communion, so she has spiritual strength too.
00:16:43.000I've gotten a lot of emails and personal friends have called me, and there have been historical cases of this.
00:16:48.000We should all pray for her and pray for a miracle.
00:16:51.000You know, but even if she stood up and started walking right now, even though she hasn't been allowed outside for five years, and haven't let them brush her teeth for ten years, and won't let them treat her bed sores for a decade, even if she stood up and started walking, they'd say, oh, well, this is just her nerves doing this.
00:17:13.000Yes, but I think pressure still helps.
00:17:17.000I remember when I was driving around Los Angeles some years ago in 1993, Listen to Rush Limbaugh, he gave out the White House number and it was about the homosexuals in the army or whatever it was, the issue at that time.
00:17:31.000And people that Clinton wanted to bring up, or bring in.
00:17:36.000So everybody called the White House, millions of people.
00:17:38.000But have you noticed now that Bush is in and doing it, it's not a problem, now that Bush wants women in frontline combat, it's okay.
00:17:45.000Yeah, they've done away with the don't ask, don't tell thing, have they?
00:18:01.000Everybody should ring, and it's going to be a busy line, but keep ringing.
00:18:04.000to give that to you again 850-488-2272 everybody should ring and it's going to be a busy line but keep ringing keep those lines that line tied up and you know bring it to a standstill The other number, when you're finished calling him, call the President, Bush, in the White House.
00:18:34.000Did you know two days ago, a little baby had his food and support taken away and died in Texas because Bush, before he left, One of his last actions was to pass this cost-saving measure, where when you're a ward of the state, or when you're having your medical care paid for by the state, they will take your feeding tube, take your support away.
00:19:01.000And why I think we should call for Terry Schindler, known as Shivo, we should also expose the fact that This is very hypocritical what Bush and others have done, and that all of these lives are just as valuable.
00:19:21.000When we come back, we'll talk to John and Johnny and James and Kenneth and many others.
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00:24:14.000The social architects thought that they would use the Terry Schindler case to train us to accept the torture and execution of people that are paralyzed.
00:24:28.000But it's going to blow up in their face.
00:24:30.000If Terry dies from the abuse they've been inflicting on her, if it continues much longer, she will be a martyr for the right to life and pro-life movement.
00:24:44.000John in Texas, thanks for holding, go ahead.
00:24:50.000You know, when the Romans used to nail a guy to the cross to crucify him, it wasn't a nail that killed him, it was the lack of food, water, and his organs were shut down.
00:24:59.000And it was a cruel death, and they knew it, that's why they did it.
00:25:01.000So it sort of looks like we're living in a new Rome, don't it?
00:25:06.000Well actually, what killed you was suffocation, generally.
00:25:11.000Because you couldn't support uh... your diaphragm because you were hanging by your arms and that's why people were still alive usually uh... after five or six hours the romans would break your legs because sometimes people could still partially support themselves and give their diaphragm purchase you know hold themselves up but uh... you're right it was a very cruel form of torture and it's ranked right up there with that as far as I'm concerned when they slowly start somebody up like that and uh...
00:25:40.000And it won't give them any kind of treatment or nothing.
00:26:13.000I know another trick that the Romans had was they used to take Christian babies and hang them from a long pole in the arena and let starving hyenas tear them apart.
00:26:20.000Well that's true, but the Christians were with Al Qaeda though.
00:26:27.000But if you read what's been going on in these abortion clinics, with these partial birth abortions, especially where two-legged Irene is ripping them apart, I don't see any difference.
00:26:34.000I just don't like the way this country's going.
00:26:36.000Yep, hundreds of thousands of babies a year that could be adopted, no reason to kill them in the late third trimester.
00:26:49.000I took a little vacation this weekend to visit some family for Easter, and I took a drive up the highway.
00:26:55.000up here in BC and what I saw was I don't know it was weird it was about 50 or 60 military probably Canadian trucks that were coming down the highway different times they had weird what they look like I don't know if they were Russian or Dutch flags flying from parts of the of the truck just like tied to them Kind of like a little flag.
00:27:21.000Well, there's always a lot of foreign troops doing maneuvers here in the United States, especially in the South and Southwest, but I don't know about what's going on up in Canada.
00:27:33.000I found it kind of weird until I saw a little something on resistancemanifesto.com, which talks about concentration camps, right?
00:27:42.000And on one of their little slideshow things, I see this enemy prisoner of war compound Sign which is I guess a concentration camp and on one of these pictures is this flag Blue white and red.
00:27:57.000I don't know what that means That's all check that out.
00:28:17.000I thought I'd heard over the weekend on one of the news broadcasts that Governor Bush, with his office, was taking any suggestions from anybody that had any ideas on what they could do.
00:29:22.000And somewhere I heard that if the country sits on the Security Council, you can't have anybody from that country be in the head of the U.N.
00:29:32.000You know, I believe that's the case, but I'd have to check that out.
00:29:36.000Yeah, if I mentioned it, I'd heard that, and maybe you could check it out.
00:29:40.000I'm glad you raised that, because Bill Clinton says he wants to be Secretary General, and a lot of major publications say he's probably going to be the next person.
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00:33:32.000Yeah, but it makes it hard to do all right with hearing all this news.
00:33:37.000Um, my father had, uh, they didn't know if he had Parkinson's disease or Alzheimer's, but he had to go to a rest home and they put him on feeding tubes and then with water and food, and then he naturally died of a heart attack.
00:33:58.000And I say, "Why take these people off these things?
00:34:02.000This is terrible." You know what this is leading up to.
00:34:06.000Well, in a lot of cases, people are in bad shape, but then they get better about half the time.
00:34:12.000Even when they're elderly, if they have to go on a feeding tube, they build their strength back up, and in many cases, you know, live another decade.
00:34:21.000Yeah, I mean, my father used to sit there and eat.
00:34:24.000Now, he wasn't like her, but he could sit in there and say, son, what did you have to eat today?
00:34:30.000Because his swallowing and esophagus couldn't work anymore, so we fed him on Well, that happens to a lot of people.
00:34:41.000In fact, my grandfather on my mother's side and my grandmother on my father's side both had strokes.
00:34:50.000And they were both associated with having surgery, because that's how it always happens, blood clots.
00:34:55.000And they both had their throats paralyzed where they couldn't eat.
00:34:58.000And my grandmother went on trips all over the country, cooked food, I guess for about six, seven, eight years, longer than that, before she finally died.
00:35:09.000But according to these bioethicists, they'd have just go ahead and kill her, because her life isn't valuable.
00:35:17.000But she toughed it out for a long time.
00:35:19.000My grandfather, I guess he lived about five years after that happened, and he went from weighing about 250 pounds down to probably about 170.
00:36:53.000I just wanted to bring up a couple things.
00:36:56.000I was down there at Pinellas Park for the last week, and I don't know if you knew that they had snipers on the roof.
00:37:03.000Well listen, I mean we've gone out and had land rights rallies, second amendment rallies and they've had SWAT teams, I mean I've been walking and seen the rifle aimed at my head and I start waving at them and you know the guys laugh at me and I'm just walking around you know wearing a t-shirt and blue jeans no weapons with a bullhorn
00:37:31.000But finally people did quote rush instead of one at a time being arrested with glasses of water yesterday and NPR did call it they said the violence escalated with the protesters implying that there had already been violence and then they went on to say when they rushed the police with glasses of water
00:37:58.000Well, that's not violent, but there they are again, semantically manipulating the words.
00:38:04.000Also, we were out there with a picture of Auschwitz, and we also brought up on the sign that it was P4, where they started with that secret program the Nazis did of starving children to death, disabled children.
00:38:18.000And the press We went out with a Nazi flag and the press pretty much ignored us, though, for the most part.
00:38:26.000They don't want to compare it to Nazi Germany.
00:38:30.000Well, I've talked to other people that are there.
00:38:32.000You'll have hundreds of people with anti-death signs, but the media, and I've seen it on the news and in AP and other snapshots, they will show the one or two signs that are for killing Terry.
00:38:46.000Yeah, I heard one person say that there was about an equal amount of protesters on both sides, which was totally untrue.
00:38:53.000The most I saw were six for killing Terry, and there was probably 200 to 300 on the other side at the time that she was saying this.
00:39:03.000Well, when you notice, the news doesn't like to show wide shots of the crowd.
00:39:09.000Since you raised Hitler, since you brought up Adolf Hitler, Shortly after being elected, the Nazi doctrine was kill the old, the infirm, the psychologically unclean.
00:39:30.000And the first person that they publicly killed, now the Nazis for two years after getting into office were killing most of the people in the hospitals, taking their food and water away, giving injections to people that were paralyzed even from the chest down if they weren't politically connected.
00:39:52.000This is part of the mainstream history books, but... Yeah, that was part of T4.
00:39:56.000It was secret to keep it from the German people for a long time.
00:40:21.000So, this family, who were high-level Nazis, wrote a letter to the Fuhrer that was published in newspapers and put in newsreels, and Hitler talked about it in the national speech.
00:40:32.000In 1935, when he then introduced this to the German people and went public, kind of the maiden voyage where they publicly launched it.
00:40:41.000And Hitler read the letter on the air, and I've read a copy of the letter, and it was, Our son is totally unhappy.
00:40:53.000And all he does is walk around, you know, in the woods and murmur and say the same thing over and over again.
00:41:00.000Oh please, Fuhrer, give us permission to kill him and rid the Reich of this, you know, of this... They use the same term that eugenics individuals used in this country.
00:41:14.000So, Hitler said, all right, you can kill him.
00:41:18.000And it was a loving, good thing that Fuhrer did.
00:41:41.000If people don't get out there and try to stop them.
00:41:44.000But notice they use these special cases to introduce it to the public.
00:41:50.000Any other observations you made, Dave, while you were in Pinellas Park, Florida?
00:41:55.000Yeah, I would say that the crowd was very peaceful, and I actually, for when they're in their murdering of a person, I thought they should have been a little more vocal and raucous, even though the family would have been a little Because they claimed we were disturbing the other patients at that hospice.
00:42:14.000But, you know, people, if they love their family members, should get them out of that hospice.
00:42:19.000Are you saying family members of other people in the hospice or the Schindlers?
00:42:23.000Family members of both, as a matter of fact.
00:43:41.000It's being introduced to us, and now the next time we hear about it, we won't be as upset, and it'll also give us this feeling of defeatism, this feeling of it can't be stopped.
00:43:53.000That's right, and that's exactly what they're doing.
00:43:55.000They're going to shove it down our throats whether we like it or not.
00:43:58.000And if you watch the National News and the spin they're putting on it, like you say, they're euphoric when they're going without food and water.
00:44:05.000I mean, these idiots, I wish they'd go without food and water for a couple of days.
00:44:10.000Well, I fasted one time, just because it is healthy to do occasionally, for four days.
00:44:17.000Man, I did not enjoy it, but they say that not eating is nothing compared to not drinking.
00:44:39.000I have a question about Colonel Bogright filing affidavits of citizen's arrest against Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer but of course it did not succeed and Gritz was arrested for trying to bring water to Terry which serves no useful purpose.
00:44:55.000Now to make a citizen's arrest a person must make physical contact with the arrestee and take them into custody.
00:45:03.000But to file a legitimate criminal complaint and get the police to make an arrest It can only be filed with a judge in criminal court who holds an instant hearing on probable cause to determine if he should issue an arrest warrant.
00:45:16.000But Gritz filed his affidavit with the prosecutor and Governor Bush, so it had no effect.
00:45:21.000And my question is, as a military officer, Gritz is still in the Army Reserves, so is he an infiltrator that could subvert the arrest of... Well, his name is... he is Bo Gritz.
00:45:59.000I don't think Bo was down there for a bad reason.
00:46:03.000I think he was down there because he's legitimately concerned and I appreciate your call.
00:46:10.000Listen, I have nothing against Bo Grites.
00:46:12.000I got in a big fight with him on air one time when he was a guest because he's arrogant and he won't admit that he was wrong about what he said about patriots on CNN.
00:46:23.000But for those that don't know, remember the Teenager, or he was like a college student, 19 years old, who was bombing all over the Midwest.
00:47:41.000Now, that's pretty suspect, and I don't know why he said that.
00:47:44.000And then I got him up on the air and said he was wrong, and he said, no, I'm not wrong.
00:47:48.000So that's why I don't interview Bo, I don't, uh, you know, I don't, I don't, uh, I mean, it was bad.
00:47:54.000I mean, I've said stuff that's wrong before, nothing of that magnitude, but I'll say I'm wrong.
00:47:59.000But I don't want to sit here and say, Bo's some government agent, and he's bad, and... And this brings me into a whole other subject, and we'll go to Jim and others.
00:48:09.000I've heard people on the radio saying it's all a giant theatrical production.
00:48:16.000That this is all a staged event and the Schindlers are in on it.
00:48:37.000And I'm really, you know, my heart goes out to them, but this happens.
00:48:44.000Folks that are into the New World Order, into the Truth Movement, they get away from what they can prove, and they get off, so many times, quite frankly, into the absurd.
00:48:57.000And that's why some people don't listen to us, because they've heard so many kooks out there, Who just extrapolate and basically with the most tenuous fragments of tertiary capillary evidence, start extrapolating and making stuff up.
00:49:18.000When we've got just so many real things we can prove and focus in on.
00:49:24.000And really, for the people out there that are attacking the Schindlers now, give me a break.
00:49:31.000You really need to spend your time on better issues.
00:49:35.000There are so many real things that are unbelievable that are happening.
00:49:41.000Like that Cynthia McKinney clip we played from the House Armed Services Committee last week.
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00:54:10.000And we'll take your calls during that interview, because it all dovetails with the Terry Schindler case going on in Pinellas Park, Florida.
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00:56:39.000On this, from a humanistic point of view, I agree with everything you say about this Schindler case.
00:56:45.000But, when you knock the judge on his decision, you're dead wrong.
00:56:50.000Because, some time ago, we were converted from people to a resource.
00:56:56.000Well, just because under Admiralty Law they've all declared us slave chattel of the state under a mercantile enterprise, doesn't mean that this parallel legal system they've built is the legitimate legal system.
00:57:11.000Well, that's what we ought to work on.
00:58:15.000Um, you know it takes a big man to back his words up, but it takes a bigger man to admit he was wrong and carry on.
00:58:21.000Um, yeah McKinnon, I, or McKinney, I think if more people like, um, if we had more people like her with a backbone, places of power, then we wouldn't be in the position we're in today.
00:59:40.000Conditioning the public to accept giving up our sovereignty for world government.
00:59:45.000We're going to be talking about that with the author of Torture and Truth, America Abu Ghraib and the War on Terror, Mark Danner, who's also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
00:59:58.000We'll also get more into Terry Shivo Schindler, the earthquake yesterday, and the hundreds of dead.
01:00:16.000It's posted on InfoWars.com, still on the main page today.
01:00:21.000And if you go to Infowars.com, you can watch it right there, where she brought up all these incredible issues to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and he was at a loss for words and looked quite shaken, did he not?
01:00:34.000It was actually very satisfying to see that.
01:00:37.000Just to watch them squirm in their seats.
01:00:43.000The one thing, or the major thing I called in about, your call earlier talked about the guy in British Columbia seeing all the military transport trucks.
01:00:54.000They have admitted they're doing war games with the American military and the Mexican military as per last week's discussion with President Bush.
01:01:02.000Oh yeah, in fact it's been in the CBC, Canadians are upset about quote, giving up their sovereignty for the Union of American States through the free trade area of the Americas.
01:01:13.000And so the Mexicans in Canadian newspapers are talking about it, but the average American has no idea this is even going on.
01:01:20.000Exactly, and it's really, really scary.
01:01:21.000Like in my city they're doing weather and chemical warfare here.
01:02:08.000And again, terrorism is being used as the pretext to radically shift our entire society into a total police state.
01:02:15.000They tell you as a citizen you've got to give up all your liberties and allow your life to be under a microscope, but the borders, northern and southern, are more open than they've ever been.
01:02:29.000And they engage in what they call acing, where people flying in from Middle Eastern countries don't even have to show their IDs coming off these international flights.
01:02:39.000You try to fly to see your grandma in Indiana, you're lucky if you don't get strip searched by some foreigner who can't even speak English.
01:02:49.000I got a report a few years ago at the Boston Logan Airport, 90% of the people working at the airport were not citizens.
01:02:58.000And something like 20% were illegal aliens.
01:03:01.000I mean, how do you get numbers like that?
01:03:03.000And I've been at these airports all over the country.
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01:07:26.000And Mark Danner is a writer, journalist, and professor who has written for more than two decades on foreign affairs and international conflict.
01:07:34.000He has covered Central America, Haiti, the Balkans, and Iraq, among other stories, and has written extensively about the development of American foreign policy during the late Cold War and afterward, and about violations of human rights during that time.
01:07:48.000His book, Torture and Truth, is what we're about to be talking about.
01:07:52.000And he is also a member of the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations with its 25, roughly 100 members, most of the most prestigious members of academia, banking and finance, government, entertainment, philosophy, you name it.
01:08:15.000And I do take Foreign Affairs, the bi-monthly publication, That I consider to basically be the CFR's propaganda, but they do have a diverse group of members.
01:08:26.000I've had probably 20 CFR members on, actually more than that, over the years.
01:08:33.000It's great to have Mr. Danner on with us today.
01:08:38.000Mr. Danner, thank you for coming on with us.
01:08:44.000How did you get into writing this book, Torture and Truth, America, Abu Ghraib, and the War on Terror?
01:08:51.000Because I've read the synopsis of it online.
01:08:54.000You basically, correct me if I'm wrong, point the finger and say, look, this stuff was ordered.
01:08:59.000Well, we have the Army's own documents, that's admitted.
01:09:01.000But still, the general public isn't aware of that.
01:09:04.000And then the other question is, are you popular at the CFR having these views?
01:09:09.000Because it seems the CFR right now is dominated by the neocons.
01:09:14.000Well, the first question, how I got involved in writing about it, I had been writing about Iraq and the Iraq War, and this was part of that.
01:09:23.000In fact, the images that were broadcast about a year ago now were enormously important in the war itself.
01:09:32.000They gave a very strong boost to the insurgency.
01:09:37.000Extremely useful to them in propaganda and so on and in recruiting members of the insurgency.
01:09:43.000So though we look at this as a domestic kind of scandal, it had a lot to do with the Iraq War and giving help to the insurgency in fighting the Americans.
01:09:54.000So that's the original, originally how I began writing about it.
01:09:59.000It soon became evident though that a lot of the documents that were being either released by the government Or leaked by the government, were extremely important, it seemed to me, for a public understanding of what exactly happened.
01:10:14.000This is one of those cases where if you actually look at the documents, if you look at the reports, you look at the depositions of those who were abused and tortured, you look at what the government itself has found to have happened at Abu Ghraib and also at other prisons, it isn't terribly controversial what went on there.
01:10:36.000What is controversy is the difference between what the government says happened and what was actually found out in these reports.
01:10:46.000So I felt very strongly that one had to try to bridge that gap.
01:10:52.000And so the book, Torture and Truth, includes not only my writing about what happened and the Iraq War itself, but the documents from the government that tell what happened.
01:11:32.000Because the government responded to what happened by simply saying, you know, this was a few bad apples, which is the traditional response of governments who are accused of torture.
01:11:45.000The United Kingdom said that in the early seventies when there was a famous case in Northern Ireland and it's happened a number of times and the few bad apples defense is actually the way lawyers describe it.
01:12:45.000And I think the administration believes that, you know, most people in the country would just as soon believe what the president says rather than look at things that might contradict what he says.
01:12:55.000Well, I want to get into your book that's got a lot of reviews for being very scholarly on the subject.
01:12:59.000I, myself, even made a film about it, so I'm up to speed and have basically all the declassified documents and official Army reports on it, as well as a cross-report.
01:13:09.000But I want to shift gears back to the CFR, which I would say is dominated by the neocons at this point.
01:13:15.000Are you popular there in the halls of the CFR?
01:13:18.000Well, so far as I know, I'm popular there.
01:13:21.000You know, as you and I discussed before, it's a very large organization.
01:13:27.000It's ideologically pretty diverse, so it's hard to say what particular strain it's dominated by.
01:13:50.000I've been a member there for, I don't know, nearly 20 years now, I think.
01:13:54.000But isn't it really just a giant change agent group where they get the best minds involved and then kind of start co-opting people and seeing who will play ball?
01:14:03.000And by the dominant group being neocons, I mean that particular strain and strata of the CFR is in government right now.
01:14:12.000Well, you know, I think it's kind of a complicated issue.
01:14:16.000You know, the council has traditionally been this kind of holding place where people who aren't in government at a given time are in the council, and when the government changes hands, you get a lot of people who are at the council moving into the government.
01:14:31.000This has traditionally happened for many, many years.
01:14:34.000It's also true, though, depending on the ideology of the people who are in power, the council likes to be close to powers.
01:14:42.000So if you have a government that's predominantly, as you say, neocon, the council will want to have high officials who share that ideology and who have access to power.
01:15:02.000And then we'll move on in the early 1920s.
01:15:04.000Yeah, it was founded essentially right in the aftermath, the immediate aftermath of World War I. It originally was this kind of think tank that was put together to help President Woodrow Wilson.
01:15:18.000In his preparation, well not just for the League, but generally his preparations for the Paris Conference and the Versailles Treaty.
01:15:26.000So it was kind of a think tank that was then made permanent Well, I don't want to spend all day on that.
01:15:31.000the mirror of the Royal Institute of International Affairs?
01:15:34.000Yeah, there's certainly similarities, no question about it.
01:15:38.000Well, I don't want to spend all day on that.
01:15:40.000The listeners are very interested in the CFR because they have people in there who kind of dissent from the predominant paradigm, but generally it's world government's good, world government's the answer, we've got to sacrifice our national sovereignty, Whether it's Republicans or Democrats, Strobe Talbot or George Bush Sr., we hear the same diatribe.
01:16:02.000Are you a supporter of world government?
01:16:05.000Well, you know, I can't help pointing out that the point you just made contradicts pretty dramatically the earlier point about neocons.
01:16:12.000It seems to me either it's neocon-sympathetic, as you argued a few minutes ago... What is against the Warren government?
01:16:19.000Well, as far as I can tell, the people in power, from Rumsfeld to Paul Wolfowitz and others... Bob Mueller?
01:16:25.000Certainly do not believe in world government.
01:16:27.000They don't believe in bolstering multilateral institutions.
01:16:31.000They've taken points of view, notably with the Iraq War, that have been flown in the face of UN decisions and UN feelings.
01:16:40.000But Mr. Diller, Professor, you know full well that that's all good cop, bad cop.
01:16:47.000I mean, you know Bush has actually been expanding the U.N.
01:16:50.000funding and signing on to treaties and going ahead with the free trade area of the Americas.
01:16:56.000Well, it's true that they certainly have different positions on trade, no question about it, but I think that their attitude toward the United Nations, with all due respect, is not good cop, bad cop.
01:17:08.000I mean, the decision that was made on Iraq was the strongest and most dramatic break with the United Nations and UN opinions that I can remember.
01:17:17.000And I don't think there was anything fake about it.
01:17:20.000I think the attitudes and the hurt feelings and the problems in relations, particularly with the European allies, are very real.
01:17:50.000I would say, it depends what you mean by that, but I think, you know, you have a lot of people who are fairly mistrustful of the United Nations, and some who believe it should be strengthened.
01:18:04.000Opinion in the council is pretty divided.
01:18:07.000You know, you're talking about a lot of people with fairly diverse political views.
01:18:14.000When we get back, I want to get back into torture and I want to specifically talk about the government documents and who gave the orders for this and just how much of this torture is really going on in light of the Red Sox jet being used to fly people around, you know, the private torture jets in England, the third-party countries, The Army's own report that 90% of those at the camps are totally innocent.
01:18:36.000I want to discuss this with you and also how television is promoting torture as the new virtue and people on the left like Alan Dershowitz.
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01:23:05.000Coming up in the next segment, it's your chance Talk to Mr. Danner about his book, Torture and Truth, America, Abu Ghraib, and the War on Terror, 1-800-259-9231.
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01:23:25.000Continuing, Professor Danner, you talk about documents, and we've got the General's Report, we've got the other reports, 32 camps in Iraq, Camps where they take people in Egypt and in Jordan and in some of the Central Asian countries.
01:24:47.000But the important thing to say here, I think, is that these photographs came out and suggested that this stuff was Animal House on the Night Shift, which the former Secretary of Defense Schlesinger called it.
01:24:59.000That is, that it was sort of the late night doings.
01:25:01.000of a handful of status if you look at the reports themselves you see that a lot of this stuff happened as a result and during interrogation and the depositions confirm that that is interrogators were present it was part of an effort to try to get information from these people well what limbaugh said that it was like a fraternity prank just blowing off steam
01:25:26.000Sodomizing people with objects, putting acid on them, raping women, beating people to death.
01:25:34.000I mean, that's called murder and torture.
01:25:38.000And your book, according to the synopsis, according to the stuff I've researched, This leads right back to the White House.
01:25:44.000I remember Rumsfeld bragging on TV about how they were, quote, pressuring people severely.
01:25:51.000I remember Dershowitz calling for torture right after 9-11.
01:25:56.000You know, you can see, and certainly the book shows this, that after 9-11 there was a pretty dramatic change right at the top of the government about the attitude toward interrogation.
01:26:08.000Decisions were made by the President and by other high officials.
01:26:12.000First of all, to withhold the protections of the Geneva Convention, and that debate was very vivid in the administration, but they finally decided For the first time in American history, not to grant Geneva Convention protection, and then to essentially redefine what torture is.
01:26:27.000The US, as you know, is committed not to torture.
01:26:31.000It's prohibited by our domestic laws, prohibited by international treaties to which we're signatory.
01:26:37.000There was a debate in the administration that finally resulted in a document that the Department of Justice wrote, which essentially said, you know, we may be prohibited from torturing, but what exactly is torture?
01:26:48.000And it defined torture... Well, yeah, Alberto Gonzales says if we torture somebody up until their organs fail and didn't mean to kill them, then it's not torture.
01:26:56.000And by the way, the President is the law.
01:27:01.000He basically said Look, you know, for somebody to be tortured, they have to cause pain equivalent to major organ failure or death, which means that you can do an awful lot to people, like waterboarding, for example, which is submerging them underwater until they drown and then reviving them, which has been used by the CIA and apparently was explicitly approved by the Department of Justice for the CIA to use.
01:27:26.000And also, Mr. Dershowitz's example, which is inserting sterile needles under their fingernails, all of these things under the definition that the administration put together would not constitute torture.
01:27:38.000So, you know, you have a situation in which the President can say, well, no, no, we do not condone torture.
01:27:44.000But, when he uses that word, the administration has defined it in a way that most people would not accept.
01:27:54.000And, you know, most people, if you describe waterboarding, which is, you know, you strip somebody down, you beat them up, you strap them to a board, and then you lower their head, usually upside down, into a tub of usually fetid, you know, dirty water, sometimes urine, something like that.
01:28:10.000Until they, essentially until they drown, then you revise them, then you do it again.
01:28:14.000Now, to most people, they would look at that and say, that's torture.
01:28:17.000Certainly, people in Argentina and Uruguay, where that was used extensively during the Dirty War, they called it the submarine, they would consider it torture.
01:28:26.000But under this definition, supposedly, you know, the administration can say, well, we don't torture.
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01:32:06.000Just to analyze what these creatures are doing, how they're trying to warp our psyche, Through fiction and through the mainstream media to accept torture, we're going to play this Limbaugh clip.
01:32:19.000And I found another clip that's even worse, saying, so what about torture?
01:32:23.000I still need to get that uploaded to the network computer, but we're going to play this Limbaugh clip.
01:32:31.000Here in a second, go back to our guest, the author of Torture and Truth, America Abu Ghraib and the War on Terror.
01:32:38.000Then we'll talk to all the callers that are patiently holding.
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01:33:13.000And Congress got thousands of photos and videos that the public never saw.
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01:34:58.000Before I play this limbo clip, Professor Danner, tell us how we get your new book, Torture and Truth.
01:35:09.000Well, the book can be gotten through my website, markdanner.com.
01:35:14.000It can be ordered from Amazon and Barnes & Noble and other online suppliers, but of course what I would prefer is that people go to their local bookstore where the book should be in stock, and if it's not in stock, to ask for it.
01:35:29.000It's from New York Review Books, and it should be widely available.
01:35:33.000But if there's any problem in doing that, my website will get you right there very easily.
01:35:40.000Now, I want to go to calls here, but first I want to talk about the hardening of the psyche and how they're selling us on this evil.
01:35:47.000Every cop show, every major drama, and then in the real world, all the big editorials, it's the same MO, the same talking points.
01:35:55.000We now have mainstream news reports that Homeland Security's even paying off an advising threat matrix 24.
01:36:02.000These shows where they now torture people's children almost every episode to make them talk.
01:36:08.000Now torturing children is good, so I guess Joseph Mingala wasn't bad, but here's Rush Limbaugh as the change agent Telling his audience that it's just blowing off steam, the torture is no big deal.
01:36:35.000This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation, and we're going to ruin people's lives with it, and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we're going to really hammer them because they had a good time.
01:36:49.000These people are being fired at every day.
01:36:51.000I'm talking about the people having a good time.
01:36:53.000These people... You ever heard of emotional release?
01:36:56.000You ever heard of needing to blow some steam off?
01:37:00.000So, there's the clip, and others have called for outright torturing them.
01:37:05.000I've heard it on talk radio saying it's good, but Alan Dershowitz is off calling it a great American value.
01:37:12.000Truly, we see the attempt to mass-warp the psyche And then people accept that torture isn't torture, and then we hear reports of a guy's chained down in a hospital bed, he won't give a urine sample on demand, so they taser him, and the police just go, this is our new policy, it isn't torture, it's just pressure.
01:38:20.000At this point, the army has officially admitted, the American military, I should say, has officially admitted that 27 detainees have died under interrogation, and these are the detainees that those are considered homicides.
01:38:35.000The total number of deaths in detainment situations now is over 70.
01:38:40.000Now let's be clear, that's what they admit.
01:38:43.000There's 32 camps in Iraq, a dozen in Afghanistan, two camps at Guantanamo Bay, and camps in at least five other third-party countries.
01:38:52.000Did you see the Washington Post article in late 2001 where they have the CIA section chief over the Middle East as quoted as saying, we take them to Egypt and Jordan where we can torture them and pressure their families in front of them?
01:40:01.000And, you know, he relies on the fact that nobody is going to read anything that they're just going to listen to him.
01:40:07.000And so he can say this and basically say things that are absolutely contrary.
01:40:11.000Well, yeah, I've heard him say that Bush is not for amnesty when Bush has openly said he's for open borders and amnesty.
01:40:17.000Yeah, well, he does and there is a certain technique here which is simply to tell people A story that seems to fit together itself and to count on the fact that they're not going to check it and you essentially tell them what they want to hear.
01:40:28.000Well, I'm blown away by these people because, Professor, all I do is read government documents and what is admitted and I'm telling you, the liberals, the conservatives, they're all up there together basically for all this stuff and they're all a bunch of liars.
01:40:40.000Well, I think it's true that, you know, there is a lot of lying going on on these things, there's no question.
01:40:46.000I think it's also true that a lot of this stuff is coming out, that the documentary evidence is coming out, and that increasingly, you know, the truth is getting into the public sphere.
01:41:06.000I think we're heading in that direction.
01:41:08.000Clearly, Professor, there is an agenda.
01:41:11.000Homeland Security head Reg and now Chertoff have met with the media They're consulting, and we've got all these paid-for press releases.
01:41:21.000We know that they are literally writing some of the scripts, we've read these articles on air, for these TV shows.
01:41:27.000Every time I turn it on, they're now not just torturing the, quote, terrorists on these fiction shows, they're torturing seven, eight-year-old children.
01:41:36.000And this is a concerted effort to warp our minds.
01:41:44.000I don't know, but I'll take your word for it, the degree of administration involvement and consulting on these scripts.
01:41:50.000It's also true, you know, that when people feel anxiety about their safety, when people are bewildered about why the country's been attacked and so on, you get the mass media, and in particular the commercial media, television, responding by trying to satisfy those kinds of anxieties.
01:42:08.000And I think you see that when you see some of these commercial programs that show torture.
01:42:13.000That is, you know, in the way of Dirty Harry, the Clint Eastwood movie, trying to take a public that's worried about crime, that's worried about being attacked, and showing them justice being delivered.
01:42:26.000And I think there's a lot of that going on.
01:42:28.000But what people don't understand is, is that cops now, since they've been doing this the last three years, suddenly instances of torture by the police, uh, against innocent people is way up.
01:42:40.000There aren't real Al-Ci-8-us folks running around that are going to get us.
01:42:45.000Terrorism is actually at lows, child kidnappings at lows, crime is at lows right now, all-time lows.
01:42:53.000It is this perception, and torture isn't going to keep you safe.
01:42:58.000Listen, I want to go to calls, but I've just got one other comment, and then I want you to comment on it, Professor.
01:43:03.000We're talking to Mark Danner, author of this new book, Torture and Truth.
01:43:10.000The types of sexual perversion at Abu Ghraib and Camp X-Ray, admittedly associated with this, the types of things they're doing, I've only seen this with serial killers.
01:43:21.000So even if sickos out there go, we gotta torture them to get answers, why is it all sexually perverted?
01:43:27.000Well, I think that there's a perception that one of the areas of sensitivity when it comes to Middle Eastern, particularly Arab culture, is shame about sexual matters, and in particular, shame about nudity.
01:43:40.000And you can see, pervasively, if you look at what's happened to individual people, not only in Abu Ghraib, but there are instances where journalists, Arab journalists... Yeah, but these guards are raping women in front of the men because they like it.
01:43:55.000Well, Dave, I don't dispute that some of them may like it.
01:44:00.000I'm trying to answer your question, which is that it seems to me that a lot of this stuff is systemic, and it's trying to point to particular sensitivities, cultural sensitivities, on the part of Arab men.
01:44:11.000The fact that it's very unusual and indeed forbidden for men to see one another naked in Arab culture, things having to do with, you know, bathroom stuff and so on is done very secretively.
01:44:25.000It's very private, and you can tell in the way these torture procedures operate that there's been a clear study of the sensitivities of Arab culture.
01:44:36.000No, I agree with you, but then the feds also go and they hire former prison guards with bad records who enjoy doing this.
01:44:45.000Yes, there's no question that some of these people clearly were enjoying themselves.
01:45:03.000Listen, I wanted to touch upon the Schiavo case again.
01:45:07.000You know, I haven't been able to listen the last week or so, so I don't know if you've explored this already, but this behavior of Michael Schiavo is just so bizarre, and all these powerful people covering up for him.
01:45:19.000The only explanation I can come up for it is that since Florida's crawling with CIA agents, that maybe he's an agent.
01:46:18.000And there's clearly a very high degree of contradiction here between what people say and the political positions they take, particularly in the Shivo case, and what they've actually done.
01:46:28.000uh... in their political history and in their own lives for that matter when it comes to Tom DeLay for example uh... so uh... we see those contradictions very dramatically and it shows in this case a lot of politicians are looking at it simply as a lucrative political target you know this is going to help me firm up my uh... position uh... with the evangelical right uh... and the left likes it too.
01:46:49.000Mike in Washington you're on the air go ahead yeah speaking of contradictions you know we got this uh...
01:46:55.000I saw that clip of that slimeball Jack Wheeler from the Freedom Foundation saying how we should freeze everyone's lungs and then when they're about ready to die then we'll make them breathe again.
01:47:16.000I've actually got that clip in Police States for Total Enslavement where they're on national TV saying how good torture is.
01:47:22.000Exactly, and it's just trying to... it's just justifying everything.
01:47:28.000But another reason I want to talk to you, Alex, is that I'm sure you're familiar with the 1997 act where Queen Elizabeth, where she enhanced the Social where she enhanced the Social Security.
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01:53:53.000You know, his comments were, I thought, very provocative, but also very broad.
01:53:59.000I think he's right that You know, the things that we had taken for granted for many years about the left and the right have gotten twisted and very confusing.
01:54:08.000On the one hand, the political spectrum has moved far to the right when you look at what's going on in Washington, and we're seeing things that would have been really unheard of years ago.
01:54:19.000I mean, one of the reasons I wrote this book, Torture and Truth, was because I We're seeing Americans undertake acts of torture that I used to cover in Latin America twenty years ago, twenty-five years ago.
01:54:35.000I mean, record budgets, 2.6 trillion, open borders.
01:54:40.000Very good point, which I was going to get to, which is that at the same time as you have a defiantly right-wing agenda, You also have, particularly on the financial fiscal side, the spending side, the fact that the government came into office, supposedly a very conservative administration, with a budget surplus of over $200 billion and has changed that into a budget deficit of nearly $500 billion.
01:55:08.000It's been the largest shift in the fiscal status of the government in the history of the United States.
01:55:14.000And by the way, most of that extra expenditure is not even military.
01:55:18.000It's all the classic big government control, social welfare garbage.
01:56:02.000The globalists use America as the imperial model to grab and consolidate more countries under IMF-World Bank control than Europe comes in, like the good cop.
01:56:11.000But the professor, I think, disagrees with that.
01:56:14.000Well, I believe that in the end, the patriots and the fascists and the captive nations around the world and the United States are going to win by eliminating all the one-worlders.
01:56:53.000All of this looks like looting, Professor.
01:56:56.000Well, they are driving down the dollar, that's quite true, which is one of the ways, of course, to deal with the enormous debt that they've got.
01:57:05.000The Reagan administration did it as well, but I think that's a far cry from talking about, you know, a fourth world country.
01:57:13.000There's a major shift of income, odd years, up the income scale, in which, you know, when you talk about this deficit, a lot of it has to do with the tax cuts.
01:59:11.000I think you're right on the mark about I'm trying to change the mindset because I was watching TV last night and basically I saw a commercial show about cops and all they really talked about was torture but that's what I wanted to say about you.
01:59:26.000And how it was good and how it saved good people.
01:59:29.000Furthermore, I think this is all just part of their plan to reduce the world population, right?
01:59:37.000Because they give us these fake flu shots.
01:59:39.000I went to the World Health Organization website And they actually have their test on their website of their approved flu vaccinations and it's just like mercury.
01:59:54.000They actually increase the level of mercury and the flu shot they give you never covers whatever the real flu is that year.
02:00:01.000I looked at the flu shot I took when I was six years old and it was, they put mercury into my damn arm.
02:00:09.000This makes me mad when I think about it.
02:00:11.000And they put hundreds of times the safe level and Nobel Prize winners, top epidemiologists have said people who've had a bunch of these flu shots are a thousand times more likely to get neurological disorders and Alzheimer's.
02:00:23.000I think they're trying to just kill as much people as they can.
02:00:27.000But what it is, fluoride, sodium fluoride, mercury, all of it, is an IQ reducer.
02:00:34.000The first people to use fluoride, and this is mainstream, famous history books, that Nazis put high levels of fluoride in the water at the camps to sedate the prisoners.
02:00:45.000It's a toxic, sedative, And, uh, this is what they're doing.
02:00:50.000I mean, you think vaccines are bad, buddy.
02:00:52.000The fluoride's even worse, and it's almost impossible.
02:00:54.000I live in Hawaii, where there's no fluoridation.
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02:06:46.000I just have a real quick technical question, then I will get out of your way and just listen.
02:06:49.000Okay, I'm sure you know what the Hegelian dialectic is, where there's the propaganda strategy, where they... You know what the Hegelian dialectic is.
02:07:01.000Demonstrate the fear, say something must be done, and the very people that created the crisis, or accentuated it, then bring you the solution.
02:07:09.000Okay, then you know what I mean by political strategy?
02:07:13.000What I need to know is, is when they, what is a strategy called, when they present, say, a nugget of truth, wrapped around with a lie, and then when you counter the lie, they sidestep the answer, and they go back to, what, don't you believe in, and then they Put the negative truth out there again.
02:07:29.000Yeah, there's different terms of that, and I was thinking about that today.
02:07:32.000I mean, there'll be a real crisis, it's just their solution is opportunistic and has nothing to do with the actual crisis.
02:07:42.000So really, I mean, there's not so much a term for it, it's just a tactic.
02:07:50.000Well, what I mean is, do you know what, okay, There's different names of strategies, like where they say, for example, that we need to keep our kids safe, and that's true.
02:07:59.000And then they say, to do that, we've got to give them vaccine shots, which is not true.
02:08:02.000And then we have to show that vaccines do not keep them safe, even if they're clean, healthy vaccines.
02:08:08.000Then we show the strategy in the documents of the elite to put different toxins and things that sterilize and other things in the vaccines.
02:08:16.000Well, what I mean is whenever they present... But even if you give somebody a term, they're not going to know what the term means.
02:08:23.000You're going to have to explain that to them.
02:09:02.000But then they gave us the fake left-right paradigm about a hundred years ago.
02:09:06.000No longer was it freedom versus slavery.
02:09:08.000Does this government give me more freedom and more liberty?
02:09:11.000Does it leave me alone or does it try to control me?
02:09:13.000That was the political debate, not Republican-Democrat.
02:09:18.000Then it shifted to left-right, when the left and right are both for the very same things, just different implementation and different rhetoric.
02:09:34.000So many goods and services were produced.
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02:09:54.000There's kind of a fatalistic view of it.
02:09:57.000So I think that's kind of what you're getting at, but people look at politics two-dimensional.
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02:10:29.000Privatization, see, people hear the word privatization and think, well, I'm for privatization, but is it really privatization?
02:10:37.000No, it's not privatization to take an existing public works and give it for pennies on the dollar to a private corporation that's paid off the government, who's then going to become government itself in its actions, but with a corporate membrane protecting it with basically no liability.
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02:11:28.000The fees are going to go down now at the city golf course.
02:11:32.000But then you forget two years after that happens, and they double the prices, and then they take a city property you paid for, and they call that privatization.
02:11:56.000Lord Rothschild, the same guy who's over Buffett and Schwarzenegger.
02:12:00.000They had an article two years before he ran for governor, excuse me, a year before he ran for governor, where it said, he's going to be your governor and your president, he's meeting with Lord Rothschild in the Scotsman.
02:12:11.000But the point is, they were all front men.
02:12:16.000And so, quote, Russia collapses, and then six guys are given by Yeltsin all the industry, the gold mines, the uranium mines, the oil, the timber, the roads, Six guys, just here.
02:13:13.000That is replacing some communist thugs that basically control all those resources and put it in their own accounts and in their own villas and their own racehorses.
02:13:24.000That basically just take it from them and give it to six new guys.
02:15:51.000I mean, I've read that stuff, and it's like, yeah, Clearwater's nearby, and there's a Scientologist in the area, and L. Ron Hubbard said we've got a quarantine 2.0s and under, which I don't like the sound of.
02:16:43.000As evil and tragic as events are, I have a quick comment and a question for you.
02:16:48.000As evil and tragic as the events are, I noticed something the other night that gave me just a glimmer of hope.
02:16:55.000On George Scarborough with his itty-bitty eyes and he had Pat Buchanan on.
02:17:01.000And I'm telling you Alex, you could have been on that show and all been in the same boat with two of these guys and I thought maybe, man, there's a glimmer of hope there if we can get those three guys in the same boat.
02:17:11.000And I'm not trying to put any of their thinking onto you.
02:17:17.000Well, see, the globalists pick issues that we agree with to bind us to them.
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02:17:26.000So do you think that when Terry dies, they'll have the agent provocateurs to come in and start riots so they can ratchet down some police state too and show that, see, we told you, we own you, we control you, we're the gods?
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02:23:58.000There's a million bucks and 50 years in prison.
02:24:02.000There's $500,000 and five years in... There's about, I don't know, it was like seven different penalties, different calculations, but we're talking about hard prison time.
02:24:12.000If you sell anything to anybody, including cashing a check for anyone on a watch list, it's just like the flying list.
02:24:18.000There's all these innocent people on it.
02:24:29.000The next issue was over on Easter we watched The Passion of the Christ and there's amazing similarities between that movie and what's going on with Terri Schiavo.
02:24:40.000Oh yeah, they're torturing her to death.
02:24:42.000And when you watch the movie and you see where he was carrying the cross and that woman came up to give him water And the authorities came and kicked the water glass out of her hand.
02:24:55.000I mean, it's just so amazing how... I mean, I think there's an intent there, definitely.
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02:26:54.000And I looked at that and I said, oh my God, this is...
02:26:58.000This is the reason why we're not getting a response from the court.
02:27:02.000But the average yuppie driving along in their car right now doesn't believe there's a world government, even as it's in all the big Canadian papers.
02:27:08.000That's all I wanted to touch base with you and Alex.
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02:34:41.000When you were interviewing the professor, he mentioned that when the Council of Foreign Relations was set up, We came during the era of Woodrow Wilson.
02:34:54.000Yeah, because they failed with the League of Nations.
02:35:19.000But the point being, in that organization you have over 250 of its members that are journalists, correspondents, and communications executives.
02:35:28.000And so this is why we keep hearing on TV that Terry is just being treated and, you know, they don't use the word executed, but that's why we hear this over and over and over again.
02:35:38.000Yeah, this allows them of people in key positions of every strata of the economic grid to have a unified, concerted effort.
02:35:48.000But what I want, absolutely, what I want to ask, and you're quite aware of the watch list, did he get his book approved, Torture and Truth?
02:35:56.000I mean, you know what happens to these demonstrators, and he's writing this book, Torture and Truth?
02:36:03.000I mean, do... I hear you, and I appreciate the call, Leslie.
02:36:12.000Yes, a little bit about this Terry Schiavo thing, it's kind of an offset.
02:36:16.000A couple hours or so ago you had one of your callers, they were saying there was people down there protesting and it had Nazi flags and things.
02:36:24.000My kind of question is, you know, I understand that bad things happen in war.
02:36:29.000But, you know, every time we meet a boogeyman, it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.
02:36:35.000Well, that's true, but in this case, it fits.
02:36:39.000Well, I understand that, but, you know, when you want to talk about some real evil people, and not necessarily... Well, the shoe fits, where?
02:36:45.000I mean, Hitler was a pioneer of this exact type of stuff.
02:36:49.000Exactly, but we could take a look at, under Stalin, you had Lazar Paganov.
02:36:58.000Khrushchev said that he was the butcher of the Ukraine, and he was responsible for killing 20 million Christians, and he starved them to death.
02:37:07.000And I just, you know, I'm kind of confused, and I say, you know, that there are... No, we exposed Stalin.
02:37:13.000Yes, you know, I'm not saying necessarily you, but just, you know, in the whole bigger scheme of things, it's always, you know, whenever there's a boogeyman, it's always Hitler, but nobody ever talks about Stalin and Mao, who made Hitler look like an altar boy.
02:37:27.000I hear you, I appreciate the call, Mike.
02:37:32.000Oh yeah, you got me off on another track.
02:37:34.000I agree with you totally on this culture of death.
02:37:38.000But we certainly do hear a lot about Stalin, and I would consider that the propaganda of the Cold War as bad as Stalin was, we have to realize there was a powerful vested interest in the Cold War and the military-industrial complex And exaggerating, even a beast like Stalin.
02:37:57.000So I think this... Okay, but you said you had something else on your mind?
02:38:00.000Yeah, I was watching CNN last weekend and they wanted to give a prominent coverage to look like Larry Klayman and his statement of trying to bind, as you put it, the pro-life people, and I'm on the left and I agree with you on this, to support for the war, the slaughter in Iraq,
02:38:23.000I'm saying that Jeb Bush should ignore the courts, just as the wonderful George Bush ignored the United Nations, which only gave 90% cover for his dirty war, and should have behaved like George Bush did.
02:38:40.000Our federal laws say you can't torture people.
02:38:43.000Well, exactly, but what I'm saying is, it shows the agenda of the CNN, the media, And singling out this comment by Larry Klayman at the demonstrations down there in Pinellas, Florida.
02:38:57.000What do you specifically think about Terry Schindler?
02:39:01.000Well, I think that, as you say, this is just an attempt to justify enhancing the profits of the HMOs, the insurance companies, the Wall Street banks that hold the debt that those who want to give this huge tax giveaway to the ultra-rich As a way of then taking that money and resources and redirecting all of the social funds from Medicare, from Medicaid, everything else that George Bush cut off when he was governor.
02:39:29.000Okay, and Bush signed a law to just kill you.
02:39:32.000People with feeding tubes begging for food, they kill them here in Texas.
02:39:48.000Well, I have a recommendation, a little Bible verse, and a thought.
02:39:53.000My recommendation first is that Alex, yesterday, the 28th of March, your explanation of the plans, purposes, and practices of the global elite, who in reality run and control our government, was so lucid and profound, like a revelation to you by God.
02:40:14.000I highly recommend today's listeners to call And order your month of March CD for your March 28th program.
02:45:39.000And the way it's trending in another ten years, there will almost be no abortions in this country, and then we'll be able to outright outlaw it.
02:45:45.000And have people give children up for adoption and things like that.
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02:52:18.000You know, Bush's administration is using this intentional atmosphere of creating hate, not only of the United States, but of the Christian groups and the liberal groups, because he's doing a lot of this in the name of God, and we all know it's not God.
02:53:02.000Well, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, uh, you know, I think we could do that.
02:53:06.000I think you could maybe call up my office and we could mail a check and then we could mail you back a passcode to PrisonPlanet.tv, but ma'am, we don't sell names.
02:53:15.000It's totally private with a secure, certified... Oh, I'm not worried about that.
02:53:20.000I'm worried about them getting told our visa numbers again, because a lot of us have been pinned before.
02:54:10.000That doesn't mean there isn't some hacker that couldn't break in there, but it's 15 times harder than somebody over a phone line at a bank.
02:54:53.000Colleagues have reported concerns about Annan ahead of an official report this week that will examine his son Kojo's connection to the controversial issue of oil for food scheme.
02:55:05.000And Bill Clinton's got seven of the G8, this has been in mainstream papers, lined up.
02:55:12.000We'll probably end up with Bill Clinton as Secretary General in the next few years.
02:55:18.000And then we got Wolfowitz at the World Bank.
02:55:22.000Then we're going to have, obviously, Lord Bush.
02:55:25.000So they'll play the whole fake left-right paradigm from both ends of the spectrum.
02:55:30.000Hundreds have died in the Indonesian quake, BBC reports.
02:55:34.000Hundreds of people are believed to have died in Indonesia after a massive earthquake that triggered tsunami alerts around the Indian Ocean.
02:55:43.000It was Collapsing buildings, it was felt as far away as Malaysia and Singapore, and thousands fled their homes across the region, still reeling from Decembers of devastating tsunami.
02:55:52.000If I was you, I wouldn't go vacation over there anytime soon.
02:55:56.000And I've got the report here from the U.S.