On today's show, Alex talks about the case of Terri Schiavo Schindler, who is in the final days of her life and is being held captive in a Florida prison. She has been dehydrated, malnourished and dehydrated to the point of near-mediocrity, and is in desperate need of water and food to survive.
00:02:11.000And George Bush has been protecting him all along, blocking release of documents, ordering Congress, which I didn't think the executive could do, to not investigate Clinton.
00:02:23.000So we'll get into the geopolitical landscape and what it's shaping up.
00:03:03.000And at the same time, there's a whole bunch of new developments concerning Terry Schiavo.
00:03:11.000Terry's demonstrating her will to live, follow the Constitution, Governor Bush, grant clemency to Terry Schiavo Schindler.
00:03:22.000At the same time, different law enforcement groups are calling for a criminal investigation and a freeze on the dehydration and murder of Terry Schiavo Schindler.
00:03:35.000But as we learned over the weekend, they were already sending state police to rescue her, but the little Pinellas Park police said they were going to have a standoff with them and even joked how many of us can hold off the National Guard, and Jeb Bush did absolutely nothing.
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00:08:35.000I think it's fine if our affiliates carry the news.
00:08:39.000But to be quite frank with you folks, we cover the real news in the first five minutes of each hour.
00:08:47.000We cover a lot more news than you hear on most of these news feeds on the different different networks out there.
00:08:54.000Some of the broadcasts on our network choose to have news play before their shows and that's their prerogative.
00:09:02.000But I choose to not have it because more of our stations do want that first little five-minute segment and they opt out of the supposed news and just get it here.
00:09:15.000So we are into our second segment now and I do have a Council on Foreign Relations member His book is published by the Council on Foreign Relations, that organization openly calling for world government, with most prominent members of academia, finance, government, media, the arts being members of it.
00:09:37.000And this member of the CFR has written a book that I agree with, against torture.
00:09:43.000And so we're going to be having him on to talk about torture, and who knows, maybe a little bit about the CFR.
00:09:53.000Because the CFR, of course, does have its token good members in it.
00:09:58.000I guess kind of for PR purposes, but this is an interview you do not want to miss coming up in the middle of the next hour.
00:10:05.000Well, at the start of the next hour, in the middle of the broadcast.
00:10:09.000The middle third of this transmission against tyranny.
00:10:16.000I had just gotten some coffee kind of late in the morning.
00:10:22.000I had it sitting up here on my broadcast desk and for some reason was grabbing at some papers under the stack and knocked the whole giant brimming container that I just got at the Rockefeller Exxon into my lap.
00:10:49.000Still got up pretty early this morning, but never got around to making any coffee.
00:10:53.000So when I left the house and went to the office, I pulled in and got some coffee.
00:10:58.000Just a few minutes after I had gotten into the studio, in the middle of that last break, spilt it into my lap, so I am, I think, more awake now than if I would have drunk that coffee.
00:11:09.000Alright, enough with the mindless issues.
00:11:13.000I don't think you tune in to hear me talk about coffee, do you?
00:11:16.000Bill in Ireland, and Kenneth in Louisiana, James in North Carolina, Johnny in Canada, John in Texas, We're going to go to your calls here in just a few minutes.
00:11:24.000I want to do things a little bit different today.
00:11:26.000I normally go to calls about 30 minutes into the broadcast.
00:11:29.000We're just going to go to your calls basically immediately.
00:11:32.000And then I'll get into depressed Annan, that's Coffee Annan, for those educated in the government training camps, close to quitting over UN scandals.
00:11:45.000And a lot of our conservative listeners are probably saying, hooray, hip-hip, hooray!
00:11:49.000I mean, Kofi Annan's involved in white slavery rings, Kofi Annan's involved in bid-rigging and scamming and UN food for oil frauds.
00:13:08.000Hundreds died in the Indonesian quake that was an 8.7 right in the same area as the quake that killed hundreds of thousands via tsunamis back on the 26th of December.
00:13:20.000And hundreds are confirmed dead, they're saying thousands may have died, but not from rising water this time, but from collapsing buildings.
00:13:28.000In some areas, some of the islands that were hit by quakes, the quake went on for six minutes!
00:13:35.000The question is, is this a precursor to something larger, volcanic and tectonic activity?
00:13:44.000Alright folks, it's Alex Jones and it is Friday, the first day of this new month, April.
00:13:56.000The network is unable to connect to any of its talk show hosts.
00:14:01.000that are in Texas via the digital lines.
00:14:03.000I don't want to say it's a conspiracy, but we're going to try to get this fixed so I can give you a live broadcast on this Friday.
00:14:12.000This happens a few times a year, though it's interesting that it's just Texas that is affected from the Home Office of Minnesota cannot connect.
00:14:22.000But there's so much news that needs to be covered.
00:14:26.000If I don't go live today, we don't get it fixed on this Friday edition.
00:14:30.000Don't worry, we're going to have a CFR member on talking about torture and the interview from a few days ago that a lot of folks missed.
00:14:36.000I've been requesting Jim Tucker about the Bilderberg Group.
00:14:40.000That is going to play in the third hour.
00:15:03.000Crude oil prices rose on Friday after a leading investment bank and energy markets trader said the prices could eventually top $100 a barrel.
00:15:13.000And if that happened, you'd be paying about $4 a gallon, my friends.
00:15:20.000Also, the Pope has had his last rites after heart failure this morning.
00:15:26.000Rome, the condition of Pope John Paul II was very grave.
00:15:30.000The Vatican said Friday morning, and he had been given last rites for suffering cardiovascular collapse.
00:15:36.000That's the quote from the Vatican on Thursday.
00:15:38.000But the Pope, 84, whose health has taken a steep dive in the past two months, Decided himself not to go to the hospital, and on Friday morning he was still conscious, lucid, and tranquil.
00:15:50.000His chief spokesman, Jacqueline Navarro-Vowles, said in a statement he was being treated in the chambers by a team of doctors that includes intensive care specialists and a cardiologist.
00:16:04.000His assistant said in a statement, the Pope's apartment is now equipped with complete and efficient health facilities.
00:16:12.000It continued, the statement did not indicate specifically if the Pope had suffered a heart attack or some other form of cardiovascular failure.
00:16:19.000The latest crisis, a day after his doctors treated him with a feeding tube, was set off Thursday by a urinary tract infection, which the Vatican said had caused a high fever and plummeting blood pressure in the already frail Pope, who has been suffering for more than a decade from Parkinson's disease.
00:16:38.000So, Pope John Paul II is not doing well, and if he does die, this is going to be a big deal, whoever this new Pope is, regardless of the fact if you're Catholic or not.
00:16:48.000I'm not Catholic, but there's 40 million Catholics in America, hundreds of millions worldwide, I don't know, what is it, 800, 900 million?
00:16:55.000I don't want to speak out of turn on that.
00:16:59.000But whoever this next pope is, it's going to be a big deal for world politics.
00:17:07.000Also, Bush was on TV yesterday saying, yeah, the CIA screwed up.
00:17:14.000This is why we've got to have more power and bigger agencies and let me reform everything, i.e.
00:17:19.000take over More of a takeover by the people that told the lies.
00:17:23.000Dick Cheney went to the CIA, ordered them to put out these assessments, ordered them to lie, and then now they blame them for following their orders.
00:17:33.000It's like they ordered the people at these camps to torture.
00:17:36.000We have the memos from the now Attorney General, then one of the Chief Councils of the White House, Alberto Gonzalez, saying, yes, we're torturing people, but it's not torture if we don't mean to kill them.
00:17:47.000You know, all this weird double-speak, and then people go to prison, but not the government that gave the orders to do it.
00:17:52.000That's like if a Mafia Don orders somebody to go kill someone, and then everybody admits the Mafia Don gave the order, but when they bust the hitman, the Mafia Don doesn't get in trouble.
00:18:02.000So, out of a crisis, out of a lie Bush tells, and Bumsfeld and the rest of them tell, along with the Democrats, they then spin this Into C, we need more power and control, and even bigger intelligence agencies, and now they've got, from the Iran-Contra fame, and the Negroponte, John Negroponte, the chief head of all intelligence, Porter Goss, who helped cover up 9-11, and clearly was involved at certain levels, is now the CIA director.
00:18:33.000Chertoff, who was involved in cover-ups, is now Homeland Security head.
00:18:36.000They're putting all their people in place.
00:18:39.000And none of this anti-terror funding has anything to do with terrorism.
00:18:43.000Plus, there's another article here I have.
00:18:45.000The Pentagon is saying that, yes, they're going to need a draft.
00:18:48.000And that article is on PrisonPlanet.com and TheInfoWars.com.
00:18:53.000We're going to go back to this rebroadcast and then into those interviews.
00:18:59.000Again, my heart goes out to Terry Shivo Schindler.
00:19:03.000And it's just, the more I research this case, the more despicable what happens.
00:19:09.000more clear the evidence of how despicable this act was the more that comes out.
00:19:14.000But again, we will attempt to get me here up on the air via the digital lines.
00:19:20.000And if not, you've got some great interviews we did throughout the week that you're looking forward to in the second and in the third hours.
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00:24:21.000To train us to accept the torture and execution of people that are paralyzed.
00:24:29.000But it's going to blow up in their face.
00:24:31.000If Terry dies from the abuse they've been inflicting on her, if it continues much longer, she will be a martyr for the right to life and pro-life movement.
00:24:45.000John in Texas, thanks for holding, go ahead.
00:25:03.000So it sort of looks like we're living in a new Rome, don't it?
00:25:07.000Well, actually, what killed you was suffocation, generally, because you couldn't support
00:25:14.000uh... your diaphragm because you were hanging by your arms and that's why people were still alive usually uh... after five or six hours the romans would break your legs because sometimes people could still partially support themselves and give their diaphragm purchase they'll hold themselves up but uh... you're right it was a very cruel form of torture and it's ranked right up there with that as far as I'm concerned when they slowly start somebody up like that and uh...
00:25:41.000And it won't give them any kind of treatment or nothing.
00:26:14.000I know another trick that the Romans had was they used to take Christian babies and hang them from a long pole in the arena and let starving hyenas tear them apart.
00:26:21.000Well that's true, but the Christians were with Al Qaeda though.
00:26:28.000But if you read what's been going on in these abortion clinics with these partial birth abortions, especially where two-legged Irene is ripping them apart, I don't see any difference.
00:26:35.000I just don't like the way this country's going.
00:26:37.000Yep, hundreds of thousands of babies a year that could be adopted, no reason to kill them in the late third trimester.
00:26:50.000I took a little vacation this weekend to visit some family for Easter, and I took a drive up the highway up here in B.C., and what I saw was, I don't know, it was weird.
00:27:01.000It was about 50 or 60 military, probably Canadian trucks that were coming down the highway at different times, and they had It's weird what they look like.
00:27:13.000I don't know if they were Russian or Dutch flags flying from parts of the truck, just like tied to them, kind of like a little flag.
00:27:22.000Well, there's always a lot of foreign troops doing maneuvers here in the United States, especially in the South and Southwest, but I don't know about what's going on up in Canada.
00:28:18.000I thought I heard over the weekend on one of the news broadcasts that Governor Bush, with his office, was taking any suggestions from anybody that had any ideas on what they could do.
00:29:23.000And somewhere I heard that if the country sits on the Security Council, you can't have anybody from that country being the head of the U.N.
00:29:34.000You know, I believe that's the case, but I'd have to check that out.
00:29:38.000Yeah, if I'd mentioned it, I'd heard that, and maybe you could check it out.
00:29:41.000I'm glad you raised that, because Bill Clinton says he wants to be Secretary General, and a lot of major publications say he's probably going to be the next person.
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00:33:33.000Yeah, but it makes it hard to do alright when hearing all this news.
00:33:39.000Um, my father, They didn't know if he had Parkinson's disease or Alzheimer's but he had to go to a rest home and they put him on feeding tubes and then with water and food and then he naturally died of a heart attack and I say why take these people off these things this this is terrible You know what this is leading up to?
00:34:07.000Well, in a lot of cases, people are in bad shape, but then they get better about half the time.
00:34:15.000Even when they're elderly, if they have to go on a feeding tube, they build their strength back up, and in many cases, you know, live another decade.
00:34:22.000Yeah, I mean, my father used to sit there and eat.
00:34:25.000Now, he wasn't like her, but he could sit in there and say, son, what did you have to eat today?
00:34:32.000Because he was swallowing a sock that couldn't work anymore so we fed him on the tube in water.
00:34:42.000In fact, my grandfather on my mother's side and my grandmother on my father's side both had strokes and they were both associated with having surgery because that's how it always happens, blood clots.
00:34:56.000And they both had their throats paralyzed where they couldn't eat.
00:34:59.000And my grandmother went on trips all over the country, cooked food, I guess for about six, seven, eight years, longer than that, before she finally died.
00:35:10.000But according to these bioethicists, they'd just go ahead and kill her, because her life isn't valuable.
00:35:18.000But, uh, she toughed it out for a long time.
00:35:20.000My, my grandfather, uh, he, uh, I guess he lived about five years after that happened, and he, he went from weighing about 250 pounds down to probably about 170.
00:36:56.000I just wanted to bring up a couple things.
00:36:57.000I was down there at Pinellas Park for the last week, and I don't know if you knew that they had snipers on the roof.
00:37:04.000Around the buildings, they had two on the hospice that I personally saw, and then they had one on a utility shut, probably about a quarter of a mile away.
00:37:13.000Well, listen, I mean, we've gone out and had land rights rallies, Second Amendment rallies, and they've had SWAT teams.
00:37:20.000I mean, I've been walking and seen the rifle aimed at my head, and I start waving at them, and you know, the guys laugh at me.
00:37:26.000And I'm just walking around, you know, wearing a t-shirt and blue jeans, no weapons, with a bullhorn.
00:37:31.000uh... but uh... finally people did quote rush instead of one at a time being arrested with glasses of water yesterday and uh... NPR did call it they said the violence escalated with the protesters implying that there had already been violence and then they went on to say when they rushed the police with glasses of water
00:37:59.000Well, that's not violent, but there they are again, semantically manipulating words.
00:38:05.000Also, we were out there with a picture of Auschwitz and we also brought up on the sign that it was before where they started with that secret program the Nazis did of starving children to death, disabled children.
00:38:19.000And the press, we went out with a Nazi flag and the press pretty much ignored us for the most part.
00:38:26.000They don't want to go that way, they don't want to compare it to Nazi Germany.
00:38:31.000Well, I've talked to other people that are there, and you'll have hundreds of people with anti-death signs, but the media, and I've seen it on the news and in AP and other snapshots, they will show the one or two signs that are for killing Terry.
00:38:47.000Yeah, and I heard one person say that there was about an equal amount of protesters on both sides, which was totally untrue.
00:38:54.000The most I saw were six for killing Terry, and there was probably 200 to 300 on the other side at the time that she was saying this.
00:39:04.000Well, when you notice, the news doesn't like to show wide shots of the crowd.
00:39:10.000Since you raised Hitler, since you brought up Adolf Hitler, Shortly after being elected, the Nazi doctrine was kill the old, the infirm, the psychologically unclean.
00:39:31.000And the first person that they publicly killed, now the Nazis for two years after getting into office were killing most of the people in the hospitals, taking their food and water away, giving injections to people that were paralyzed even from the chest down if they weren't politically connected.
00:39:53.000This is part of the mainstream history books.
00:40:22.000So, this family, who were high-level Nazis, wrote a letter to the Fuhrer that was published in newspapers and put in newsreels, and Hitler talked about it in the national speech.
00:40:33.000In 1935, when he then introduced this to the German people and went public, kind of the maiden voyage where they publicly launched it.
00:40:42.000And Hitler read the letter on the air, and I read a copy of the letter, and it was, our son is totally unhappy, he is an idiot, that was the term for being retarded, he was really autistic.
00:40:54.000And all he does is walk around, you know, in the woods and murmur and say the same thing over and over again.
00:41:01.000Oh please, Fuhrer, give us permission to kill him and rid the Reich of this, you know, of this... They use the same term that eugenics individuals use in this country.
00:41:15.000So, Hitler said, all right, you can kill him.
00:41:19.000And it was a loving, good thing that Fuhrer did.
00:41:42.000If people don't get out there and try to stop them.
00:41:45.000But notice they use these special cases to introduce it to the public.
00:41:51.000Any other observations you made, Dave, while you were in Pinellas Park, Florida?
00:41:56.000Yeah, I would say that the crowd was very peaceful, and I actually, for when they were in their murdering in person, I thought they should have been a little more vocal and raucous, even though the family would have been a little Upset because they claimed we were disturbing the other patients at that hospice.
00:42:15.000But, you know, people, if they love their family members, should get them out of that hospice.
00:42:20.000Are you saying family members of other people in the hospice or the Schindlers?
00:42:24.000Family members of both, as a matter of fact.
00:43:42.000It's being introduced to us, and now the next time we hear about it, we won't be as upset, and it'll also give us this feeling of defeatism, this feeling of it can't be stopped.
00:43:54.000That's right, and that's exactly what they're doing.
00:43:57.000They're going to shove it down our throats whether we like it or not.
00:43:59.000And if you watch the National News and the spin they're putting on it, like you say, they're euphoric when they're going without food and water.
00:44:06.000I mean, these idiots, I wish they'd go without food and water for a couple of days.
00:44:11.000Well, I fasted one time, just because it is healthy to do occasionally, for four days.
00:44:18.000Man, I did not enjoy it, but they say that not eating is nothing compared to not drinking.
00:44:51.000And Gritz was arrested for trying to bring water to Terry, which serves no useful purpose.
00:44:56.000Now to make a citizen's arrest, a person must make physical contact with the arrestee and take them into custody.
00:45:04.000But to file a legitimate criminal complaint and get the police to make an arrest, It can only be filed with a judge in criminal court who holds an instant hearing on probable cause to determine if he should issue an arrest warrant.
00:45:16.000But Gritz filed his affidavit with the prosecutor and Governor Bush, so it had no effect.
00:45:22.000And my question is, as a military officer, Gritz is still in the Army Reserves, so is he an infiltrator that could subvert the arrest?
00:46:00.000I don't think Bo was down there for a bad reason.
00:46:04.000I think he was down there because he's legitimately concerned and I appreciate your call.
00:46:11.000Listen, I have nothing against Bo Grites.
00:46:13.000I got in a big fight with him on air one time when he was a guest because he's arrogant and he won't admit that he was wrong about what he said about Patriots on CNN.
00:46:24.000But for those that don't know, remember the Teenager, or he was like a college student, 19 years old, who was bombing all over the Midwest.
00:47:42.000Now, that's pretty suspect, and I don't know why he said that.
00:47:45.000And then I got him up on the air and said he was wrong, and he said, no, I'm not wrong.
00:47:49.000So that's why I don't interview Bo, I don't, uh, you know, I don't, I don't, uh, I mean, it was bad.
00:47:54.000I mean, I've said stuff that's wrong before, nothing of that magnitude, but I'll say I'm wrong.
00:48:00.000But I don't want to sit here and say, Bo's some government agent, and he's bad, and... And this brings me into a whole other subject, and we'll go to Jim and others.
00:48:10.000I've heard people on the radio saying it's all a giant theatrical production.
00:48:17.000That this is all a staged event and the Schindlers are in on it.
00:48:38.000And I'm really, you know, my heart goes out to them, but this happens.
00:48:45.000Folks that are into the New World Order, into the Truth Movement, they get away from what they can prove, and they get off so many times, quite frankly, into the absurd.
00:48:58.000And that's why some people don't listen to us, because they've heard so many kooks out there, Who just extrapolate and basically with the most tenuous fragments of tertiary capillary evidence start extrapolating and making stuff up.
00:49:19.000When we've got just so many real things we can prove and focus in on.
00:49:25.000And really, for the people out there that are attacking the Schindlers now, I mean, give me a break.
00:49:32.000You really need to spend your time on better issues.
00:49:36.000There are so many real things that are unbelievable that are happening.
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00:56:40.000On this, from a humanistic point of view, I agree with everything you say about this Schindler case.
00:56:46.000But, when you knock the judge on his decision, you're dead wrong.
00:56:51.000Because, some time ago, we were converted from people to a resource.
00:56:57.000Well, just because under admiralty law they've all declared a slave chattel of the state under a mercantile enterprise, doesn't mean that this parallel legal system they've built is the legitimate legal system.
00:57:12.000Well, that's what we ought to work on.
00:58:16.000Um, you know, it takes a big man to back his words up, but it takes a bigger man to admit he was wrong and carry on.
00:58:22.000Um, yeah, McKinnon, I, or McKinney, I think if more people like, um, if we had more people like her with a backbone and places of power, then we wouldn't be in the position we're in today.
00:59:40.000Conditioning the public to accept giving up our sovereignty for world government.
00:59:45.000We're going to be talking about that with the author of Torture and Truth, America Abu Ghraib and the War on Terror, Mark Danner, who's also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
00:59:58.000We'll also get more into Terry Shiloh Schindler, the earthquake yesterday, and the hundreds of dead.
01:00:16.000It's posted on InfoWars.com, still on the main page today.
01:00:21.000And if you go to Infowars.com you can watch it right there where she brought up all these incredible issues to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and he was at a loss for words and looked quite shaken, did he not?
01:00:34.000It was actually very satisfying to see that.
01:00:37.000Just to watch them square them in their seats.
01:00:44.000One thing, or the major thing I called in about, your call earlier talked about the guy in British Columbia seeing all the military transport trucks.
01:00:54.000They have admitted they're doing war games with the American military and the Mexican military as per last week's discussion with President Bush.
01:01:03.000Oh yeah, in fact it's been on the CBC, Canadians are upset about quote, giving up their sovereignty for the Union of American States through the free trade area of the Americas.
01:01:13.000And so the Mexicans in Canadian newspapers are talking about it, but the average American has no idea this is even going on.
01:01:20.000Exactly, and it's really, really scary.
01:01:22.000Like in my city they're doing weather and chemical warfare here.
01:01:25.000You can see it in the skies, and I have the proof, but you can't tell anybody that because they don't believe you.
01:01:31.000Well, it's been in the Globe and Mail, it's been on the CBC that you've got this Northcom drills with Mexican and Canadian and U.S.
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01:07:26.000And Mark Danner is a writer, journalist, and professor who has written for more than two decades on foreign affairs and international conflict.
01:07:34.000He has covered Central America, Haiti, the Balkans, and Iraq, among other stories, and has written extensively about the development of American foreign policy during the late Cold War and afterward.
01:07:45.000And about violations of human rights during that time, his book, Torture and Truth, is what we're about to be talking about.
01:07:52.000And he is also a member of the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations, with its 25, roughly 100 members, most of the most prestigious members of academia, of banking and finance, government, entertainment, philosophy, you name it.
01:08:15.000And I do take Foreign Affairs, the bi-monthly publication, that I consider to basically be the CFR's propaganda, but they do have a diverse group of members.
01:08:26.000I've had probably 20 CFR members on, actually more than that, over the years, but it's great to have Mr. Danner on with us today.
01:08:38.000Mr. Danner, thank you for coming on with us.
01:08:44.000How did you get into writing this book, Torture and Truth, America, Abu Ghraib, and the War on Terror?
01:08:51.000Because I've read the synopsis of it online.
01:08:54.000You basically, correct me if I'm wrong, point the finger and say, look, this stuff was ordered.
01:08:59.000Well, we have the Army's own documents, that's admitted.
01:09:01.000But still, the general public isn't aware of that.
01:09:04.000And then my other question is, are you popular at the CFR, having these views?
01:09:09.000Because it seems the CFR right now is dominated by the neocons.
01:09:14.000Well, the first question, how I got involved in writing about it, I had been writing about Iraq and the Iraq War, and this was part of that.
01:09:23.000In fact, the images that were broadcast about a year ago now were enormously important in the war itself.
01:09:32.000They gave a very strong boost to the insurgency.
01:09:37.000Extremely useful to them in propaganda and so on and in recruiting members of the insurgency.
01:09:43.000So though we look at this as a domestic kind of scandal, it had a lot to do with the Iraq War and giving help to the insurgency in fighting the Americans.
01:09:54.000So that's the original, originally how I began writing about it.
01:09:59.000It soon became evident though that a lot of the documents that were being either released by the government
01:10:07.000or leaked by the government that were extremely important it seemed to me for a public understanding of what exactly happened uh... this is one of those cases where if you actually look at the documents if you look at the reports you look at the the depositions of those who were abused and tortured uh... you look at what the government itself has found to have happened at Abu Ghraib and also at other prisons uh... it isn't terribly controversial what went on there
01:10:36.000What is controversy is the difference between what the government says happened and what was actually found out in these reports.
01:10:46.000So I felt very strongly that one had to try to bridge that gap.
01:10:52.000And so the book, Torture and Truth, includes not only my writing about what happened and the Iraq War itself, but the documents from the government that tell what happened.
01:11:32.000Because the government responded to what happened by simply saying, you know, this was a few bad apples, which is the traditional A response of governments who are accused of torture.
01:11:45.000The United Kingdom said that in the early seventies when there was a famous case in Northern Ireland and it's happened a number of times and the few bad apples defense is actually the way lawyers describe it.
01:12:45.000And I think the administration believes that, you know, most people in the country would just as soon believe what the president says rather than look at things that might contradict what he says.
01:12:55.000Well, I want to get into your book that's got a lot of reviews for being very scholarly on the subject.
01:12:59.000I myself even made a film about it, so I'm up to speed and have basically all the declassified documents and official Army reports on it, as well as a Red Cross report.
01:13:09.000But I want to shift gears back to the CFR, which I would say is dominated by the neocons at this point.
01:13:15.000Are you popular there in the halls of the CFR?
01:13:18.000Well, so far as I know, I'm popular there.
01:13:21.000As you and I discussed before, it's a very large organization.
01:13:27.000It's ideologically pretty diverse, so it's hard to say what particular strain it's dominated by.
01:13:50.000I've been a member there for nearly 20 years now, I think.
01:13:54.000But isn't it really just a giant change agent group where they get the best minds involved and then kind of start co-opting people and seeing who will play ball?
01:14:03.000And by the dominant group being neocons, I mean that particular strain and strata of the CFR is in government right now.
01:14:12.000Well, you know, I think it's kind of a complicated issue.
01:14:16.000You know, the council has traditionally been this kind of holding place where people who aren't in government at a given time are in the council, and when the government changes hands, you get a lot of people who are at the council moving into the government.
01:14:31.000This has traditionally happened for many, many years.
01:14:34.000It's also true, though, depending on the ideology of the people who are in power, the council likes to be close to power.
01:14:42.000So if you have a government that's predominantly, as you say, neocon, the council will want to have high officials who share that ideology and who have access to power.
01:15:39.000Well, I don't want to spend all day on that.
01:15:41.000The listeners are very interested in the CFR because, you know, they have people in there who kind of dissent from the predominant paradigm, but generally it's world government's good, world government's the answer, we've got to sacrifice our national sovereignty.
01:15:56.000Whether it's Republicans or Democrats, Strobe Talbot or George Bush Sr., we hear the same diatribe.
01:16:02.000Are you a supporter of world government?
01:16:05.000Well, you know, I can't help pointing out that the point you just made contradicts pretty dramatically the earlier point about neocons.
01:16:12.000It seems to me either it's neocon-sympathetic, as you argued a few minutes ago... Which is against the world government?
01:16:19.000Well, as far as I can tell, the people in power, from Rumsfeld to Paul Wolfowitz and others...
01:16:25.000Certainly do not believe in world government.
01:16:27.000They don't believe in bolstering multilateral institutions.
01:16:31.000They've taken points of view, notably with the Iraq war that has been flown in the face of UN decisions and UN feelings.
01:16:40.000But Mr. Gannard, Professor, you know full well that that's all good cop, bad cop.
01:16:47.000I mean, you know Bush has actually been expanding the U.N.
01:16:50.000funding and signing on to treaties and going ahead with the free trade area of the Americas.
01:16:56.000Well, it's true that they certainly have different positions on trade, no question about it, but I think that their attitude toward the United Nations, with all due respect, is not good cop, bad cop.
01:17:08.000I mean, the decision that was made on Iraq was the strongest and most dramatic break with the United Nations and UN opinions that I can remember.
01:17:17.000And I don't think there was anything fake about it.
01:17:20.000I think the attitudes and the hurt feelings and the problems in relations, particularly with the European allies, are very real.
01:17:50.000I would say, I mean, it depends what you mean by that, but I think, you know, you have a lot of people who are fairly mistrustful of the United Nations, and some who believe it should be strengthened.
01:18:03.000So I think opinion in the Council is pretty divided.
01:18:07.000You know, you're talking about a lot of people with fairly diverse political views.
01:18:14.000When we get back, I want to get back into torture and I want to specifically talk about the government documents and who gave the orders for this and just how much of this torture is really going on in light of the Red Sox jet being used to fly people around, you know, the private torture jets in England, the third-party countries, The Army's own report that 90% of those at the camps are totally innocent.
01:18:36.000I want to discuss this with you and also how television is promoting torture as the new virtue and people on the left like Alan Dershowitz.
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01:23:25.000Continuing, Professor Danner, you talk about documents, and we've got the General's Report, we've got the other reports, 32 camps in Iraq, Camps where they take people in Egypt and in Jordan and in some of the Central Asian countries.
01:24:47.000But, you know, the important thing to say here, I think, is that these photographs came out and suggested that this stuff was animal housed on the night shift, which the former Secretary of Defense Schlesinger called it.
01:24:59.000That is, that it was sort of the late-night doings of a handful of statists.
01:25:03.000If you look at the reports themselves, you see that a lot of this stuff happened as a result and during interrogation, and the depositions confirmed that.
01:25:56.000You know, you can see, and certainly the book shows this, that after 9-11 there was a pretty dramatic change right at the top of the government about the attitude toward interrogation.
01:26:08.000Decisions were made by the President, by other high officials, first of all to withhold the protections of the Geneva Convention, and that debate was very vivid in the administration, but they finally decided For the first time in American history, not to grant Geneva Convention protection.
01:26:24.000And then to essentially redefine what torture is.
01:26:27.000The U.S., as you know, is committed not to torture.
01:26:32.000It's prohibited by international treaties to which we're signatory.
01:26:36.000But there was a debate in the administration that finally resulted in a document that the Department of Justice wrote, which essentially said, you know, we may be prohibited from torturing.
01:27:01.000He basically said, look, for something to be tortured to have to cause pain equivalent to major organ failure or death, Which means that you can do an awful lot to people, like waterboarding for example, which is submerging them underwater until they drown and then reviving them, which has been used by the CIA and apparently was explicitly approved by the Department of Justice for the CIA to use.
01:27:26.000And also, Mr. Dershowitz's example, which is inserting sterile needles under their fingernails, all of these things under the definition that the administration put together would not constitute torture.
01:27:38.000So, you know, you have a situation in which the President can say, well, no, no, we do not condone torture.
01:27:44.000But when he uses that word, the administration has defined it in a way that most people would not accept.
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01:28:10.000essentially until they drown, then you revive them, then you do it again.
01:28:14.000Now, to most people, they would look at that and say that's torture.
01:28:17.000Certainly, people in Argentina and Uruguay, where that was used extensively during the Dirty War, they called it the submarine, they would consider it torture.
01:28:26.000But under this definition, supposedly, you know, the administration can say, well, we don't torture and include the fact that they do...
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01:32:08.000Just to analyze what these creatures are doing, how they're trying to warp our psyche, through fiction and through the mainstream media to accept torture, we're going to play this Limbaugh clip.
01:32:19.000And I found another clip that's even worse, saying, so what about torture?
01:32:25.000I still need to get that uploaded to the network computer, but we're going to play this Limbaugh clip.
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01:33:17.000CBS and kind of a psyops just released some of the lighter stuff and then, oh, dogs biting people and then sewing them up without deadening, that's just fine.
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01:34:58.000Before I play this Limbaugh clip, Professor Danner, tell us how we get your new book, Torture and Truth.
01:35:08.000Well, the book can be gotten through my website, markdanner.com.
01:35:14.000It can be ordered from Amazon and Barnes & Noble and other online suppliers, but of course what I would prefer is that people go to their local bookstore where the book should be in stock, and if it's not in stock, to ask for it.
01:35:28.000It's from New York Review Books, and it should be widely available.
01:35:33.000But if there's any problem in doing that, my website will get you right there very easily, markdanner.com.
01:35:39.000Okay, now I want to go to calls here, but first I want to talk about the hardening of the psyche and how they're selling us On this evil, every cop show, every major drama, and then in the real world, all the big editorials, it's the same M.O., the same talking points.
01:35:55.000We now have mainstream news reports that Homeland Security's even paying off an advising threat matrix 24.
01:36:02.000These shows where they now torture people's children almost every episode to make them talk.
01:36:08.000Now torturing children is good, so I guess Joseph Mingala wasn't bad, but here's Rush Limbaugh as the change agent Telling his audience that it's just blowing off steam, the torture is no big deal.
01:36:35.000This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation, and we're gonna ruin people's lives over it, and we're gonna hamper our military effort, and then we're gonna really hammer them because they had a good time.
01:36:47.000You know, These people are being fired at every day.
01:36:51.000I'm talking about the people having a good time.
01:36:52.000These people... You ever heard of emotional release?
01:36:56.000You ever heard of you to blow some steam off?
01:37:00.000So there's the clip, and others have called for outright torturing them.
01:37:04.000I've heard it on talk radio saying it's good, but Alan Dershowitz is off calling it a great American value.
01:37:12.000Truly, we see the attempt to mass-warp the psyche And then people accept that torture isn't torture, and then we hear reports of a guy's chained down in a hospital bed, he won't give a urine sample on demand, so they taser him, and the police just go, this is our new policy, it isn't torture, it's just pressure.
01:38:20.000At this point, the Army has officially admitted, the American military, I should say, has officially admitted that 27 detainees have died under interrogation, and these are the detainees that those are considered homicides.
01:38:35.000The total number of deaths in detainment situations now is over 70.
01:38:40.000Now let's be clear, that's what they admit.
01:38:43.000There's 32 camps in Iraq, a dozen in Afghanistan, two camps at Guantanamo Bay, and camps in at least five other third-party countries.
01:38:52.000Did you see the Washington Post article in late 2001 where they have the CIA section chief over the Middle East as quoted as saying, we take them to Egypt, And Jordan, where we can torture them and pressure their families in front of them?
01:40:01.000And, you know, he relies on the fact that nobody is going to read anything that they're just going to listen to him.
01:40:06.000And so he can say this and basically say things that are absolutely contrary.
01:40:11.000Well, yeah, I've heard him say that Bush is not for amnesty when Bush has openly said he's for open borders and amnesty.
01:40:17.000Yeah, well, he does and there is a certain technique here which is simply to tell people A story that seems to fit together itself and to count on the fact that they're not going to check it and you essentially tell them what they want to hear.
01:40:28.000Well, I'm blown away by these people because, Professor, all I do is read government documents and what is admitted.
01:40:32.000And I'm telling you, the liberals, the conservatives, they're all up there together basically for all this stuff and they're all a bunch of liars.
01:40:40.000Well, I think it's true that, you know, there is a lot of lying going on on these things, there's no question.
01:40:46.000I think it's also true that a lot of this stuff is coming out, that the documentary evidence is coming out, and that increasingly, you know, the truth is getting into the public sphere.
01:41:05.000I think we're heading in that direction.
01:41:08.000Clearly, Professor, there is an agenda.
01:41:11.000Homeland Security head Reg and now Chertoff have met with the media.
01:41:16.000They're consulting and we've got all these paid-for press releases.
01:41:21.000We know that they are literally writing some of the scripts.
01:41:24.000We've read these articles on air for these TV shows.
01:41:27.000Every time I turn it on, they're now not just torturing the, quote, terrorists on these fiction shows, they're torturing seven, eight-year-old children.
01:41:36.000And this is a concerted effort to warp our minds.
01:41:43.000I don't know, but I'll take your word for it, the degree of administration involvement and consulting on these scripts.
01:41:50.000It's also true, you know, that when people feel anxiety about their safety, when people are bewildered about why the country's been attacked and so on, you get the mass media, and in particular the commercial media, television, Responding by trying to satisfy those kinds of anxieties.
01:42:08.000And I think you see that when you see some of these commercial programs that show torture.
01:42:13.000That is, you know, in the way of Dirty Harry, the Clint Eastwood movie, trying to take a public that's worried about crime, that's worried about being attacked, and showing them justice being delivered.
01:42:26.000And I think there's a lot of that going on.
01:42:27.000But what people don't understand is, Is that cops now, since they've been doing this the last three years, suddenly instances of torture by the police against innocent people is way up.
01:42:40.000There aren't real Al-C-I-A-T-I-S folks running around that are going to get us.
01:42:45.000Terrorism is actually at lows, child kidnappings at lows, crime is at lows right now, all time lows.
01:42:53.000It is this perception and torture isn't going to keep you safe.
01:42:58.000Listen, I want to go to calls, but I've just got One other comment, and then I want you to comment on it, Professor.
01:43:03.000We're talking to Mark Danner, author of this new book, Torture and Truth.
01:43:08.000Look, the types of sexual perversion at Abu Ghraib and Camp X-Ray, admittedly associated with this, the types of things they're doing, I've only seen this with serial killers.
01:43:21.000So even if sickos out there go, we gotta torture them to get answers, why is it all sexually perverted?
01:43:27.000Well, I think that there's a perception that one of the areas of sensitivity when it comes to Middle Eastern, particularly Arab culture, is a shame about sexual matters, and in particular, a shame about nudity.
01:43:40.000And you can see, pervasively, if you look at what's happened to individual people, not only in Abu Ghraib, but there are instances where Arab journalists have been harassed.
01:43:50.000Yeah, but these guards are raping women in front of the men because they like it.
01:43:55.000Well, I don't dispute that some of them may like it.
01:43:58.000It's a tough job, but I've got to do it.
01:44:00.000I'm trying to answer your question, which is that it seems to me that a lot of this stuff is systemic, and it's trying to point to particular sensitivities, cultural sensitivities, on the part of Arab men.
01:44:11.000The fact that they It's very unusual and indeed forbidden for men to see one another naked in Arab culture.
01:44:19.000Things having to do with bathroom stuff and so on is done very secretly.
01:45:03.000Listen, I wanted to To touch upon the Schiavo case again, you know, I haven't been able to listen the last week or so, so I don't know if you've explored this already, but this behavior of Michael Schiavo is just so bizarre, and all these powerful people covering up for him.
01:45:18.000The only explanation I can come up for it is that since Florida's crawling with CIA agents, that maybe he's an agent, and Terry was his slave.
01:45:27.000And that now the government is caught in this public relations nightmare, and they're scrambling to try to They were willing to kill her in public just to cover this up.
01:45:36.000Well, I mean, I can see people trying to give reason to this thing, but it's turned into a media circus.
01:45:42.000You've got the pro-death people, the anti-death people lined up over all this.
01:46:18.000And there's clearly a very high degree of contradiction here between what people say and the political positions they take, particularly in the Schiavo case and what they've actually done.
01:46:28.000In their political history and in their own lives, for that matter, when it comes to Tom DeLay, for example.
01:46:33.000So, we see those contradictions very dramatically, and it shows, in this case, a lot of politicians are looking at it simply as a lucrative political target.
01:46:41.000You know, this is going to help me firm up my position with the evangelical right.
01:46:51.000Yeah, speaking of contradictions, you know, I saw that clip of that slimeball Jack Wheeler from the Freedom Foundation saying how we should It just frees everyone's lungs.
01:47:07.000And then when they're about ready to die, then we'll make them breathe again.
01:47:23.000And it's just trying to... it's just justifying everything.
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01:53:53.000You know, his comments were, I thought, very provocative, but also very broad.
01:53:58.000I think he's right that You know, the things that we had taken for granted for many years about the left and the right have gotten twisted and very confusing.
01:54:08.000On the one hand, the political spectrum has moved far to the right when you look at what's going on in Washington, and we're seeing things that would have been really unheard of years ago.
01:54:18.000I mean, one of the reasons I wrote this book, Torture and Truth, was because I We're seeing Americans undertake acts of torture that I used to cover in Latin America twenty years ago, twenty-five years ago.
01:54:35.000I mean, record budgets, 2.6 trillion, open borders.
01:54:39.000Very good point, which I was going to get to, which is that at the same time as you have a defiantly right-wing agenda, You also have, particularly on the financial fiscal side, the spending side, the fact that the government came into office, supposedly a very conservative administration, with a budget surplus of over $200 billion and has changed that into a budget deficit of nearly $500 billion.
01:55:08.000It's been the largest shift in the fiscal status of the government in the history of the United States.
01:55:14.000And by the way, most of that extra expenditure is not even military.
01:55:18.000It's all the classic big government control, social welfare garbage.
01:56:02.000The globalists use America as the imperial model to grab and consolidate more countries under IMF or World Bank control than Europe comes in, like the good cop.
01:56:11.000But the professor, I think, disagrees with that.
01:56:14.000Well, I believe that in the end, the patriots and the fascists and the captive nations around the world and the United States are going to win by eliminating all of one world.
01:56:53.000All of this looks like looting, Professor.
01:56:56.000Well, they are driving down the dollar, that's quite true, which is one of the ways, of course, to deal with the enormous debt that they've got.
01:57:05.000The Reagan administration did it as well, but I think that's a far cry from talking about, you know, a fourth world country.
01:57:13.000There's a major shift of income, you know, odd years, up the income scale, in which, you know, when you talk about this deficit, a lot of it has to do with the tax cuts.
01:58:17.000The transponder tracked toll roads now going in all over the country.
01:58:25.000The free trade area of the Americas and the Union of American States forming.
01:58:30.000It's all over the Canadian and Mexican papers that people don't want to give up their sovereignty.
01:58:35.000But the average American has no idea that these treaties are even being put into effect right now.
01:58:42.000The globalists want to invade Iran and Syria.
01:58:46.000They're setting up world taxation, world regulation, and the world knows about it, but the average American doesn't, though they're starting to wake up.
01:58:54.000And somebody for over two decades that's been on the front lines of exposing the global controllers is Jim Tucker at AmericanFreePress.net, formerly The Spotlight.
01:59:08.000And he has snuck through drainage Ditches, he's climbed over fences, he's posed as hotel workers all over Europe and the U.S.
01:59:18.000to sneak into these events and he always gets us this incredible forecasting of what's going to happen in the next year according to what his spies and others get him inside the Bilderberg Group meetings.
01:59:32.000Now, up until about four years ago, you talk about Bilderberg Group, the mainstream news would say it doesn't exist, you're insane.
01:59:41.000Now it's been all over the news, BBC, you name it, Reuters, admitting that the world's royalty and elites do meet in secret, the military does guard them, but still, you're a conspiracy theorist of your concern.
01:59:55.000And joining us for the next hour, and we'll be taking your calls, is Jim Tucker.
01:59:59.000Jim, thanks for coming on during your busy schedule.
02:00:32.000There have been meetings like that going on for decades and decades.
02:00:36.000Most notably about 1913 or something when They met off Jekyll Island and decided to introduce the income tax amendment to the Constitution, which they did.
02:00:48.000The same subtle way the working man would not pay anything, because you paid nothing until you made $4,000 a year.
02:00:55.000That was more than the average working man made.
02:00:58.000So they sold it on make the rich pay something.
02:01:00.000I'm still proud of the very late great Senator Harry Byrd of my state of Virginia.
02:01:25.000The old attitude is that Virginia never did ratify the Income Tax Amendment.
02:01:30.000He warned then that Internal Revenue Agents would be in the kitchens of American families.
02:01:35.000So, they are the lineal descendants of these groups who met infrequently during those years.
02:01:43.000And they plan, as you have mentioned, they plan the world, the future of the world, the world government, the direct tax by the UN has been a very important part of their agenda for several years now.
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02:06:18.000Jim Tucker, respected journalist, worked for some of the biggest newspapers in the country, but about 25 years ago he learned of the Bilderberg Group, an organization sworn to create world government, world taxation, world regulation and control.
02:06:34.000As he was saying in the last segment, they're just offshoots of the same families that met in 1913, that's now public, to set up our income tax, and then to give us the private run-for-profit Federal Reserve,
02:06:47.000Jim literally has snuck through drainage pipes, climbed over walls, posed as hotel staff to get into these resorts, these five-star hotels, and to get their documents to expose what the heads of banking, the media, the royal families of the world, the Henry Kissingers are all there basically scheming to set up.
02:07:15.000And I guess for about the last Seven years.
02:07:19.000I've been having Jim on before and after he goes to the Bilderberg Group meetings, always in a different spot.
02:07:26.000Generally in Europe, but occasionally here in the United States.
02:07:39.000He then gets there, meets with some of the locals, meets at local bars and restaurants, talks to people that are working inside.
02:07:47.000They normally don't agree to help him, but after they see how rude the Globalists are, and hear some of the stuff the Globalists are saying and doing as they're serving them their champagne, and serving them out on the golf courses, they then come to Jim and give him lots of data and info.
02:08:02.000And of course he's been detained by police before, he's been chased, By the security forces, the military generally guards these people.
02:08:12.000Jim, is that kind of a fair thumbnail sketch of some of the adventures you've been on?
02:08:20.000Yes, that sums up Little Hobby very nicely.
02:08:27.000For those that just joined us, just briefly again in any areas you didn't cover, what is the Bilderberg Group?
02:08:45.000So many letters and inquiries from their readers.
02:08:49.000For example, after the last meeting, the New York Times had a cutesy little story about how these chaps have this innocent little meeting that makes the right wing so hysterical.
02:09:02.000They've attended these meetings from the very outset.
02:09:08.000The blackout in the United States remains largely intact.
02:09:12.000I think the Washington Post even did a little thing.
02:09:15.000The only time that the word Bilderberg had ever been mentioned before in the New York Times was when one of those old gooks decided to die at one of the meetings.
02:09:22.000Now he was of course an international banker.
02:09:26.000His name escapes me, but he was some kind of international banker from Europe.
02:09:30.000And so they carried the news a little bit more than just the straight of it.
02:09:36.000And, well, you cannot blow the whistle of the New York Times and say to all 1,000 staffers.
02:09:42.000There's one word we don't use, and that's called Bilderberg.
02:09:52.000That was the only time the New York Times had ever mentioned Bilderberg.
02:09:56.000The Washington Post had mentioned it once when they were doing a roundup of all the big activities being taken out of Austria because they're mad at Austria for having a free election.
02:10:08.000And George Heider did well in that election, so they were all mad.
02:10:12.000They were supposed to meet at Telf near Innsbruck, originally scheduled.
02:10:17.000And to show solidarity, they cancelled Telf and went to a place near Brussels where they had the worst accommodations they've ever known because even
02:10:27.000As powerful as they are, it's difficult to say to a major hotel, you will clean out the hotel of all other guests, and you will have your staff carefully screened for security purposes, they will wear tags, and they will be briefed and told that they'll be fired if they leak any information, all that intimidation.
02:10:48.000So they sort of made themselves uncomfortable that year by boycotting Austria.
02:10:58.000But we don't know where they're meeting this year.
02:11:00.000I stay nervous as a struggling church until we find out.
02:11:12.000That's what I'm still trying to find out.
02:11:14.000Very likely June because the G8 Summit of Heads of State takes place In Scotland, a little late this year, about July the 14th, they generally meet a week or two prior to the G8 meeting so they can get their instructions ready for the heads of state.
02:11:38.000Now, for those who just joined us, there are groups like the CFR with 2,300 members, 2,500 members.
02:11:45.000There are groups like Trilateral with a couple hundred, 500 or so.
02:11:49.000Bilderberg Group is, of the organizations out there, the most exclusive That we know of.
02:11:56.000How many people generally attend, that are members, and then how many guests do we normally see at the Bilderberg Group Conferences?
02:12:02.000Well, there's on average, I'd say there's 115 regulars, Kissingers, Rockefellers, and so forth, and those who represent whatever party is in power in Washington, like Rumsfeld attended as Board's Chief of Staff.
02:12:37.000For instance, when the obscure Governor of Arkansas attended the meeting in Baden-Baden, Germany in 1991, we figured there may be a bright future, political future, for that little fat feller.
02:12:50.000In the next year, the following year, he is elected President of the United States.
02:12:55.000It was that occasion they took a little Bill Clinton out to the golf course and David Rockefeller explained to him what NAFTA was and why he's for it.
02:13:04.000And you saw a big champion of NAFTA sitting in the White House.
02:13:08.000In fairness, both parties favor these what they call free trade agreements rather than fair trade agreements.
02:13:17.000Now, Jim, talking about media control, Catherine Graham attended, now her son attends, we have, but at the same time the media would say it didn't exist, you're a kook if you talk about it, but year after year you're able to learn what's going to happen in the next year.
02:13:37.000I mean, you reported on the fall of the Soviet Union before it happened because of your inside sources in Bilderberg.
02:13:44.000I remember You were on this show back in 2002.
02:13:49.000They were saying that they were about to invade Iraq.
02:14:00.000I mean, listen, Jim, I mean, you know this better than I do, but for those that don't, you keep getting just the most sterling, spot-on, dead-on intel out of these meetings.
02:14:17.000Well, you sort of described the techniques before, and human nature seems to always work the same way.
02:14:23.000I'll arrive typically on a Monday before the shutdown begins at Heiden on Wednesday.
02:14:30.000On the Wednesday, the advance staff of Dillberg starts arriving.
02:14:34.000At Heiden on the Wednesday, typically the hotel is cleared of all other guests completely.
02:14:40.000So Monday and Tuesday, I'll be among the strangers mainly in the cocktail lounge or maybe having lunch and express my awe at these important people coming.
02:14:56.000I tried to get reservations for the whole week, and they said I'd be up by Wednesday, so I'm staying at this other hotel.
02:15:02.000Then the friendly light conversation on Monday, except last year on Monday, the Italian police grabbed me and held me for two or three hours.
02:15:15.000They interrupted my operation a little bit.
02:15:18.000On Tuesday, they get a little bit more talk again.
02:15:23.000Then you tell them, well, I'm staying at this hotel.
02:15:26.000I'll be meeting some of the other guys to compare notes at 5 o'clock, and if you care to join us, please, do you or my guests?
02:15:34.000Well, these hotel workers obviously don't make much money.
02:15:37.000They like a vacation when they have to go to a nice hotel to sit in a cocktail lounge and dress up, the girls like that especially, but they get dressed up and provide information.
02:15:48.000I always tell them, don't take a chance on your job.
02:16:35.000Uh, I don't have a cab coming, so, uh, he checks the passport, goes inside to make a phone call, comes back out and says, uh, Would you please come with us?
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02:22:13.000And I know Jim will jump in and say, well actually there was one other news reporter decades before that had mentioned it, but he's the guy that has made the term a household name.
02:22:58.000Uh, let me ask you about my press credentials.
02:23:01.000Well, I have the Mickey Mouse press credentials that are issued by the D.C.
02:23:05.000Police because 20 years ago, I, uh, stole a, uh, what was that searcher from, uh, Maryland's name, now long out of the Senate, retired, almost dead, Mathias, Charles Mathias.
02:23:20.000I stole his Bilderberg portfolio, and, uh, they found out it was me who stole it.
02:23:26.000and they had my press credentials yanked.
02:23:30.000Now I had held congressional press credentials by the Daily Gallery for happy years with the Washington Daily News before it went belly up.
02:23:39.000And I'd held what they call periodicals.
02:24:38.000They asked to see your press credentials.
02:24:40.000So I showed them the Mickey Mouse press credentials, and then they decide they won't bother me anymore, and they drove me back several hours.
02:24:50.000As I say, it took about three hours altogether.
02:24:53.000They drove me back to my hotel, and I went to the bar where I could see the lobby from a mirror over the bar.
02:25:01.000And they sat down and I lived a long time in the lobby.
02:25:08.000So I went out and said, fellas, I'm not going anywhere else tonight.
02:25:12.000If you want to know any more about Build-A-Burger, I'd be glad to tell you.
02:25:22.000The bartender told me they're not regulars.
02:25:24.000They very rarely come into this hotel.
02:25:27.000So I felt myself under constant observation after that.
02:25:31.000Well, he called for a cab to take you to the gate after the lockdown so I could go just for the record, try to walk through and have them bar me just for the record.
02:25:43.000And the cab driver said, I can take you over to the gate now because I've got this credential hanging around my neck.
02:25:50.000I said, no, I do exactly what they're going to do.
02:25:53.000If the cab driver drove me all the way into the grounds, they'd grab me and put me in jail for trespassing.
02:25:59.000Well, uh, crossing the police line, uh, and all that jazz.
02:26:03.000So, I felt the constant surveillance, but that just made it more interesting.
02:26:10.000And again, you're just a member of the press trying to cover a meeting of the rich, powerful, and famous.
02:26:16.000The richest people in the world, the heads of industry, banking, heads of state.
02:26:22.000And all you're trying to do is go cover it.
02:26:25.000I mean, normally the media will cover one or two Hollywood stars.
02:26:31.000I've always put this way to the other paper boys at the press club and said the same way for 20 years because it leaves them so flat-footed.
02:26:45.000I tell them if 120 film stars or 120 professional football players have a secret meeting behind locked and closed doors, You would, let's say, try very hard to determine what's happening behind those closed doors.
02:26:59.000Why no curiosity when 120 of the world's most powerful men, international bankers, international financiers, multinational CEOs of multinational companies, and heads of state and high officials of our government meet?
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02:33:25.000Jim, the second question is, I know you're trying to find the location, you always do, knock on wood, in a hope and pray to be serious that you do get it done this time, but any inkling on what's going to be on the agenda this year?
02:33:42.000Now that I've found the telephone number, let me get that out before I forget and lose it again.
02:33:46.000Call American Free Press at 202-544-5977.
02:33:52.000And you can sign up over the phone to subscribe, or, of course, you could write in that it's easier by telephone.
02:34:04.000So, uh... Give that number out one more time.
02:34:08.000number out one more time 202 544-5977 or AmericanFreePress.net now Now, Jim, shifting over to that last question that I had before we take some calls, then I want to talk about Hearst Publishing and the 9-11 hit piece they've done on myself and your paper and others.
02:34:36.000But before we do that, any inkling of what's going to be on the agenda coming up this year?
02:34:41.000Well, I'm sure that they'll be considering very hard how they can flip the direct taxation thing through the U.N.
02:34:51.000There'll be, of course, pressure on the control press to not report it.
02:34:55.000In fact, I don't think you've read in the Washington Post or the New York Times that there is a fully proposals to levy a direct tax on every citizen of the world pending before the UN even as we speak.
02:35:10.000They could do that so quietly that you would not even be aware of it with a fraction of opinion at the gas pump initially.
02:35:16.000Of course, that would go up in the years ahead.
02:35:18.000In fact, since the ability to tax directly is such a symbol of global sovereignty, that's very important in their grand schemes of a world government.
02:35:31.000As you know, the European Union, the evolving American Union, and the planned Asian-Pacific Union to divide the world into three great regions for the administrative convenience of a world government.
02:35:49.000The dollarization of America, as in the euro in Europe.
02:35:56.000Another important symbol of sovereignty, of course, is your own currency, the British Pound, a symbol of British sovereignty, as the dollar is a symbol of American sovereignty, United States sovereignty.
02:36:09.000Those are regular items on their issues.
02:36:10.000There's always some surprises, and there's always three or four guests who You cannot anticipate.
02:36:18.000I had no idea that Senator John Edwards would be attending the last Bilderberg meeting.
02:36:22.000As soon as I found out he was there, I thought that he was considered a potential president.
02:36:31.000Now, if he doesn't come back this year, if he's not invited back, they will have decided that he's no longer a potential president.
02:36:40.000Well, it's interesting that the New York Times, in one of the two articles they wrote last year about it, said that the Bilderberg Group gave the nod to Kerry and said that they liked Kerry.
02:36:51.000Was that disinfo or a fissure between the Anglo-American establishment based in the U.S.
02:36:57.000and England and the Bilderberg Group dominated by Europeans?
02:37:03.000Yes, there are definitely more Europeans than Americans participating.
02:37:08.000That's just based on The fact that we're one country of several represented in Europe.
02:37:16.000In fact, we're probably on a per-country basis, but we have more representatives of Bilderberg than any other one country probably.
02:37:23.000I've never thought about it that way before, but we have always had several high officials.
02:37:27.000Sometimes the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of the Treasury has gone in the past, but always very high officials attend these meetings on the promises of absolute silence.
02:37:41.000Interesting, you were mentioning when we reported that the invasion of Iraq would not take place in the year 2002, it would be sometime the following year, Jimmy Lee Hoagland, the associate editor of the Marching Post, who holds the publisher's hand at these Bilderberg meetings, he had to know that, but he let his own newspaper go ahead with the predictions that it would happen in the summer, or late fall at the earliest, of 2002, of that year of 2002.
02:38:11.000Now, his commitment to secrecy was so strong, he didn't go to the National or World Desks and Look-Fellers.
02:38:17.000Trust me, I know we're not going to go to war in 2002, so climb off the predictions that we'll be at war this year.
02:38:24.000Okay, let's go ahead and take some calls.
02:38:31.000In all your meetings with the Bilderbergs, have you ever come across the European Council of Princes, formerly the International Council of Government?
02:38:45.000Well, Jim, I think a better question would be, or to clarify it, is there a lot of royalty at these meetings?
02:38:53.000Bobby Prince Charles has attended one meeting.
02:38:58.000The Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands has attended since her husband, Prince Philip, was fired by Bilderberg because the Lockheed scandal embarrassed them.
02:39:09.000He was one of their founders, one of their early chairmen.
02:39:14.000When Prince Bernhard tore his pants, they kept him home, but let Mama go.
02:39:20.000So she's attended these meetings all these years.
02:40:04.000Thank you for your work you've done over the years, Jim.
02:40:06.000I've listened to you off and on for years.
02:40:09.000And a couple of years ago, I called into Alex's show and talked with his guest, Al Cuppett.
02:40:16.000And Al said that there were basically three organizations that run the world.
02:40:21.000And one of these organizations was the Jesuit.
02:40:26.000If you go to the book, Rulers of Evil, by Tupper Saucy, he describes in there where he looked up the word Rothschild in the Encyclopedia Judaica, and it says that they are the keepers of the Vatican treasury.
02:40:43.000My question, Jim, is what part does the Vatican play in all of this?
02:40:51.000I remember some years ago, some screwball wrote on the internet that Pope John hyphen Paul would be there, along with 300 other people.
02:41:09.000No official rule that I can determine.
02:41:12.000I think a lot of that comes because the Vatican...
02:41:16.000I'm certainly not an expert being a Baptist, but the Colossae Pope has many jewels in his crown, the Vatican has so much money.
02:41:26.000Now, the Rothschilds, according to biographers, literally translate from Red Shield in German, back before last names, when last names were first coming in style.
02:41:39.000And they had a red shield on the door, so they called themselves Red Shields.
02:41:42.000And interesting enough, the Rockefellers from Germany, Rockefeller meant rye fields.
02:41:54.000Now the Rothschilds have been an influence from the outset at Bilderberg.
02:42:00.000It used to be that Evan Rothschild attended for Bilderberg meetings.
02:42:06.000There's an earlier Bilderberger Earlier, Rothschild attended Doberk meetings.
02:42:13.000Now, nobody by the name of Rothschild has attended, according to their list anyway.
02:42:18.000What people on their board of directors do, Jim?
02:42:23.000Yes, you'll find a listing of somebody who represents Rothschild Enterprises or some such venture, so they still have their hand in it.
02:42:34.000It's just not so conspicuous by having someone with the name Rothschild.
02:42:39.000Marriages and so forth create different last names.
02:42:41.000So Jim, you don't see any influence that the Vatican has on world affairs then?
02:42:47.000Oh, definitely the Vatican has influence on world affairs, but I'm not sure that Bilderberg is the conduit.
02:42:55.000Does that answer your question, Steve?
02:42:57.000Well, kind of, but in my research, and Alex, I thank you for waking me up.
02:43:03.000It's driven me to research, and I'll tell you what, the more I research, it seems like all roads, or many roads, lead to Rome, and I just found Jim's answer very interesting.
02:43:17.000I mean, I've researched this, and the globalists have infiltrated almost every major organization, and I think to say it's one group or the other running things is really, in the final equation, disinfo.
02:43:32.000I mean, you've got evil people who amass their wealth and combine forces with other powerful individuals from different religious groups, you name it, to bring in a world government to directly tax us through the world government they control.
02:43:49.000I want to stress that the Catholic Church does indeed have an influence on world affairs, as demonstrated dramatically when the Pope went back to his native Poland back during the Cold War years and stood in the middle of the town square in the Soviet tanks rather than run over the Pope, turned around and withdrew from Poland.
02:44:08.000And of course the pronouncements on such things as birth control and abortion and so forth obviously they have a great deal of political impact It's in fact with 40 million Americans being of the Catholic faith.
02:44:20.000They'd have to have some political impact even as You never said they didn't have political impact so I didn't understand that last statement I've got a question for you, and then we'll go to a couple other callers for you.
02:44:33.000And this is a side issue, but it goes to media control.
02:44:36.000I mean, you're the old classic newshound, you know, including the straw hat, Jim.
02:44:43.000And Christopher Bolin, one of your colleagues at the American Free Press, exposed that the individual who wrote the popular mechanics hit piece, who orchestrated it.
02:44:53.000Benjamin Chertoff is a close family member of the Homeland Security Director.
02:44:59.000Now he's written about the hidden hand of the CIA and 9-11 and Popular Mechanics.
02:45:05.000The brutal purge of the staff of Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month's scandalous propaganda piece.
02:45:13.000So I wanted to talk to you about Hearst Publishing and its history, but before we did that, a little bit more background On this, this woman, this Ms.
02:45:23.000Black that runs it, has been involved in all those different government activities, and her husband ran the U.S.
02:45:34.000The international law firm co-founded, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy, the international law firm, by Morris Hadley, her husband.
02:45:43.000And then it goes into Skull and Bones members being connected to it.
02:45:47.000The article goes into how her husband directed the federal agency that oversees domestic and international propaganda.
02:45:58.000Comments on Hirsch Publishing and how it ties into all the fake newscasts and all the paid-off reporters that we've been hearing about.
02:46:08.000Well, I'm not sure what daily newspapers are within that chain, but as far as Bilderberg is concerned, they would be part of the conspiracy of silence that we see in the United States.
02:46:21.000Now, in Europe, there's a great deal of coverage in the mainstream media, page one stories, photographs about Bilderberg all the time because, well, it all started ten years ago when
02:46:35.000Spotlight identified for the Dilbert people going to be very early so early that the Subscribers in Europe had time to wait for the ship to cross the river then they vote letters back to us They should we alert the local media and I said all means tell the local media all about it.
02:46:52.000I should have called that years ago now when we find out where they are of course it goes instantly on the website and instantly into the newspaper and We do write to the subscribers that live nearby and ask them to give them itinerary, tell the reporters, and so forth.
02:47:11.000And we've had a large number of reporters come out to cover Bilderberg meetings in Europe, but not in the United States.
02:47:42.000Black's corporate biography does not mention her husband.
02:47:45.000And then it goes on to say that he was a senior fellow at the Department of Defense and he was the head, I'm trying to find the subsection of the article here, he was the head of the federal body that deals with propaganda.
02:48:03.000And I mean, my only point is, you know, it's I'm asking you this question, Jim.
02:48:08.000So much has come out now about Armstrong Williams and paid-off reporters and hundreds of millions of dollars in fake, federally-funded newscasts.
02:48:16.000I want to get your comment just on the general nature of the controlled press.
02:48:21.000Not just a conspiracy of silence, but many of them being actual government agents.
02:48:26.000We'll be right back after this quick break with Jim Tucker, and perhaps take a few more of your calls.
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02:52:29.000He also served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Army and Navy, and was a personal director of the Bush-Quell-92 campaign.
02:52:37.000And then it goes on and on, again, Ben Chertoff, cousins with the Homeland Security Director, savagely attacking myself, American Free Press and others.
02:52:47.000Does it surprise you to have people like this attacking institutions like American Free Press and of course myself, Jim?
02:53:00.000However, any journalist, as you mentioned earlier, I spent 20 and a half years with major newspapers in this country, establishment journalists, before starting Chase Bilderberg.
02:53:12.000And you're a journalistic whore if you take money to pimp somebody's idea.
02:53:17.000The proper answer when the government says, or an association or organization says, would Write a column saying how wonderful this is or how bad that is Your and we'll pay you money the logical but with the only Professional ethical thing from doing say no, I will not take money from you whatsoever But I will write a column about how you tried to bribe me to advocate your views
02:53:41.000When you do that you lose all credibility and now it's just rampant I mean, it's been going on for a long time, but now they're just coming out with it and saying, hey, it's no big deal.
02:54:14.000So if you write anything, as I said, write about the attempt to bribe you, not accept the bribe and pin for their product.
02:54:22.000Well, it's a lot bigger than what the people know.
02:54:25.000And Jim Tucker, here in closing, I want to get you on as soon as you get back from Bilderberg.
02:54:31.000This year you've always been so kind and gracious to do that in your decades of fighting these people.
02:54:38.000But in closing, do you think the New World Order is going to win, or do you think people are starting to wake up?
02:54:44.000No, I think when middle America finally wakes up, they're going to find it so repelling and we see good trends already just recently oh surely they've got their knickers and are not over the fact that the latest poll showed it France is a slight majority does not favor ratifying the European Constitution The same thing with England?
02:55:12.000Yes, in fact that's why we wrote years ago that Bilderberg was determined to ask Lady Thatcher, well she's Prime Minister Thatcher then, as head of state, because she resisted the Euro and resisted surrendering sovereignty to the European Union and so they replaced her with a trapeze artist named John Major from her own party.
02:55:34.000I think I mentioned on your last show I had the pleasure of speaking briefly with Lady Thatcher at a reception in Washington and I asked her about it and she said, and this is a very close paraphrase of what she said, that she said, being denounced by Bilderberg, she considered it to be a tribute and spoke harshly about any head of state who would surrender one bit of national sovereignty to an international body.