A 5 year old Florida girl arrested on felony charges for allegedly throwing a fit in a public school classroom. Five year old arrested in Florida on felony assault charges. Alex Jones talks about the Florida girl and her behavior. John Sanders joins the show to talk about a piece he wrote about me and others concerning 9/11.
00:00:49.000Paul Joseph Watson will be joining us for his weekly report coming up in 30 minutes from PrisonPlanet.com.
00:00:59.000And in the middle of the broadcast, in about an hour and a half, we'll be joined by this individual, this researcher, John Sanders.
00:01:11.000And he's going to be coming on to talk about the piece he did about myself and others concerning 9-11.
00:01:20.000And his main focus of his attack was on the professor that has the class entitled, 9-11, the Road to Tyranny.
00:01:29.000and uh... he basically in here implies the bohemian grove doesn't exist that we believe aliens kidnapped presidents uh... it's uh... pretty ridiculous stuff but i do have to commend him, I talked to him this morning on short notice and he agreed to come on uh... and uh... most of these people when they attack us like William F. Jasper at the Neocon New American refuses to come on and uh... defend themselves when they attack us so
00:03:03.000Send people to us, they'll find the truth, and you will lose even more of your control over us, New World Order.
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00:03:21.000When we get back, I want to get into the weekend and today's news, and I want to start off with five-year-old arrested in Florida on felony charges.
00:03:28.000I didn't cover this Friday because I haven't seen the video yet.
00:03:31.000We have the video posted on PrisonPlanet.com.
00:03:35.000Five-year-old arrested, supposedly throwing a fit and assaulting people.
00:03:38.000And she was engaging in little spats that brats always engage in.
00:04:16.000Agency relied on them for honest reports.
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00:08:13.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:08:25.000I have the distinction of being attacked by the New York Times, The Washington Post, ABC News,
00:08:36.000The ADL, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the New American Neocon Fake Patriot Magazine, American Legion, Vanity Fair, Popular Mechanics, the list goes on and on and they're all establishment lackeys.
00:08:57.000They're there to defend this corrupt system that feeds upon our innocent population.
00:09:06.000We know that the government has basically bought and paid for the controlled media.
00:09:11.000We know that thousands of reporters have been paid in cold hard cash to lie and twist and push an agenda of control across the board from toll road cameras to the faith-based initiatives to pay off the churches and federalize them To, of course, subjects like No Child Left Behind, to Federalized Control of Your Children, to the New Freedom Initiative, to Force Psychologically Test and Force Drug, or to promote the National ID Card.
00:09:41.000But tens of thousands of other reporters are just useful idiots that parrot the establishment line, that actually believe the propaganda they're spewing.
00:09:55.000The Dallas Morning News, one of the biggest papers in the country last week, reported In the last year alone, a 13% decrease in its circulation, and they're on the verge of being indicted now by the District Attorney, according to Texas Television and Newspaper reports, for lying about their circulation.
00:10:32.000While at the same time, websites like Infowars.com receive millions and millions and millions and millions and millions.
00:10:42.000I don't know, all four sites combined, it's something like 10-15 million a month, depending on what month.
00:10:48.000And I'm one of the smaller sites compared to some of the others that are out there.
00:10:55.000Unfortunately, we've seen some of these sites being bought, being taken control of, and suddenly spewing neocon or controlled liberal paradigm propaganda.
00:11:04.000But the readers instantly recognize it and shift to the other tiers of sites.
00:11:12.000You're losing New World Order and you know it.
00:11:14.000That's why you're carrying out terror attacks.
00:11:16.000That's why you're trying to put up your control grid.
00:11:22.000But I don't know if William F. Jasper at the New American is a neocon government agent or if he's a useful idiot.
00:11:30.000I tend to think he's a useful idiot because I was an urban warrior in 1999 as thousands of Marines and foreign troops practiced taking over the city, practiced gun confiscations, and there I was on a hill overlooking thousands of troops Just 50 yards from the troops doing mock gun confiscations, and I look to my right, and there's William F. Jasper, who's just written a savage, hateful, uh, larcenous hit piece on myself.
00:11:57.000Mirroring, uh, basically parroting the popular mechanics of this info.
00:12:04.000And we've now got enough evidence to prove that's a government op.
00:12:08.000And I walked over to him, he had a backpack, and I said, you know, I was just on the radio today and I was covering this, here's the Associated Press from a few months ago where Delta Force tried to bribe the San Antonio Police Chief, I have the video of it, and tried to run their urban warfare drills there with black helicopters.
00:12:29.000And of course they'd written articles denying black helicopters existed, saying it was a conspiracy theory, all they are is special forces Black budget, black off operations, telecom folks.
00:12:40.000And a month later I opened up the New American and there was the exact AP article.
00:12:45.000So when I was able to deliver the proof, the admissions, to his hands it was in their newspaper, in their magazine.
00:12:56.000I know Popular Mechanics isn't though.
00:12:59.000Perhaps this academic, this researcher, Who I've got to say has done a ridiculous job of attacking me.
00:13:07.000I mean, it really has got so many holes in it, it's worse than Swiss cheese.
00:13:10.000John Sanders, maybe he's just ignorant.
00:13:13.000John Sanders is a policy analyst at the Pope Center for Higher Education Policy.
00:13:19.000Also part of the John Locke Foundation, when I called, that's who answered.
00:13:23.000He researches and writes about public policy issues affecting colleges, universities in North Carolina and across the country.
00:13:29.000And I believe I interviewed him about three or four years ago, and I agree with some of his analysis of other activities at colleges.
00:13:35.000I agree that there is academic tyranny and that people aren't being allowed to have their free speech if they're conservative, and I defend everyone's free speech.
00:13:44.000But his hit piece is just the most ridiculous I've seen to date.
00:13:50.000And again, he'll be joining us coming up in the middle of the next hour.
00:14:06.000Agency relied on them for honest reports, and this is part of the course.
00:14:11.000Across the board, they are peopling in key positions of enforcement government agencies with hardcore criminals, rapists, murderers, top computer hackers, pedophiles, and uh...
00:14:29.000Turns out FEMA's got quite a squadron of hardcore criminals working for them.
00:14:35.000Meanwhile, they release the hardcore criminals and put them in positions of power, but U.S.
00:14:40.000prison rates soars even higher, filled with non-violent offenders who make good workers.
00:15:53.000New report out, but that doesn't stop the government from accelerating it.
00:15:56.000And even Newsmax has to admit that Bush is boosting Hillary in 08.
00:16:01.000Of course, Clinton's in a continual love-fest with the Bushes, agreeing with all their policies.
00:16:08.000A horrible article here about a baby, alive, who the abortionists didn't even try to save.
00:16:17.000At least 50 die in that Japan derailment.
00:16:20.000A packed commuter train jumped the tracks in western Japan on Monday.
00:16:24.000Hurtled into an apartment building, killing 50 people and injuring more than 340 others in the deadliest rail accident in Japan in four decades.
00:16:32.000Rail is still one of the most safest ways to travel.
00:16:36.000The transportation period is dangerous and it's the number one cause of death until you hit 55, then it's cancer and heart attacks.
00:16:42.000Depending on what year you look at, one year it's cancer and the next year it's heart attacks.
00:16:46.000They're always taking the pole position from each other.
00:16:52.000It just shows how quickly life can be snuffed out.
00:16:55.000You fear fighting for liberty and freedom, you're afraid the globalists will get you, but you still get in your car every day, you still get on planes every month, you still get on trains every week, when this is your number one cause of death.
00:17:10.000Last time I looked at the numbers, you're nine times more likely for your child to drown in the bathtub, or a mop bucket, or in the pool, than for your child to die from a gun, but we hear, ban the guns, it's for the children.
00:17:26.000When we get back, I want to air about a three-minute newscast out of CBS Channel 10 to analyze it out of Florida concerning this five-year-old arrested in Florida on felony charges.
00:17:35.000We first heard that she was viciously, savagely attacking her teachers.
00:17:40.000And so that's why the five-year-old had to be arrested by three police and charged with a felony.
00:17:46.000The problem is, now the Big Brother video camera footage has been released from the classroom.
00:17:53.000And she is, like I've seen Brat do in the grocery store, in the mall, on the street, I know you've seen it, spatting.
00:17:59.000Just going, meh, meh, meh, with her hands, open hands at the teacher.
00:18:04.000And in the old days, the teacher would have grabbed that youth, drug her by her ear or her hair, to the principal's office where she would have been given Five to six pops, as I did when I acted like that.
00:18:17.000And when I got home, I'd have really been in trouble.
00:18:20.000But I read the Globalist Think Tank documents that were written by the Carnegie Foundation 70 years ago.
00:18:24.000They said that we have to train parents not to discipline, so that then their children will be rebellious and out of control.
00:18:31.000We can then fill the prisons with them.
00:18:32.000So what they do is, instead of disciplining the children in the schools, they've taken that authority from the teachers.
00:18:38.000Then things turn into bedlam, because the children are gobbling Twinkies and Cokes between every recess, basically.
00:18:51.000I see them giving their children cokes, Twinkies, all of it.
00:18:53.000No wonder your children act like demons.
00:18:56.000And the child bounces off the walls, and instead of disciplining them, don't we just call the police, charge you with a felony, and send you to juvie, where you're really going to get beat up.
00:19:17.000I remember the old days, occasionally.
00:19:20.000A student would take a swing at a coach, and it happened a few times, and the coach would just grab them, tackle them, slam them down on the ground, and then make them run until they vomited.
00:19:28.000And then they respected the coach and became good friends with them, and that's how things were done.
00:19:35.000But if a coach today grabbed one of these punks, some 14 year old taking a swing at them, that coach would be in jail.
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00:24:34.000But really the bigger news story here is how the media all over the country was legitimizing, and I went and watched four or five newscasts online.
00:24:42.000They were all basically the same script.
00:24:46.000Arrest five-year-olds and charge them with felonies.
00:24:49.000And then they show the worst possible video they can, which is the child being followed around by this special ed teacher who's hanging over, getting in her face, not talking to the child in a loving fashion.
00:25:05.000There on video camera, it's so obvious, trying to get her to respond or do something.
00:25:11.000And then, uh... The child is limp-wristedly going, eh, eh, at the teacher's hands that are trying to grab a hold of her.
00:25:52.000Petersburg police officers handcuffing and arresting a five-year-old girl.
00:25:57.000School officials said the girl was out of control and they had to call police.
00:26:01.000Today's reporter Mike Deason, who first broke this story last month, is here with the video and the story.
00:26:06.000Well, Heather and Reg, there's no question the little girl was out of control at the school, but the girl's mother says the police overreacted.
00:26:14.000However, a veteran kindergarten teacher we talked to says after trying several techniques to calm a child, sometimes outside help has to be called in in order to protect teachers, other students, and even the child who's having the tantrum.
00:26:28.000This is how the incident ends, as police officers put the handcuffs on five-year-old Jaisha Scott.
00:27:35.000Meantime, Pyle has no problem with the handcuffs.
00:27:38.000And I think it was really probably more to protect the child.
00:27:42.000you know, to keep her, then hopefully she could calm down and not be physically hurting herself or someone else.
00:27:49.000Eventually, a jury will decide if this arrest was appropriate or not.
00:27:54.000Now, the lawyer for the family, John Trevino, says by the time police arrived, Ayesha was sitting calmly and there was no need to handcuff her.
00:28:23.000Outside help had to get things under control.
00:28:26.000Now, it's one thing if you're dealing with a 15-year-old in a fist fight and they gotta call some of the coaches or some of the male teachers out to grab them or a security guard, whatever.
00:28:57.000And so every one of you that's got children, you better hope and pray they never do anything in school.
00:29:04.000Because here in Austin, if you're late to class three times, it's considered an absence, even though the state law has a higher number of whole days missed as truancy.
00:29:13.000They go ahead and drag your child in, try to get them into the system.
00:29:18.000It's across the board about getting them into the system.
00:29:25.000Someone had to help this little girl by charging her with a felony.
00:29:31.000Don't worry, the family won't have any money, so they'll, uh, you know, plea bargain and she'll be in the system forever and she'll probably, probably in most cases, turn out to be a hardcore criminal.
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00:37:39.000Alright, without further ado, let's go to Paul Watson.
00:37:41.000Paul, there's a lot of news I want to blitz through and shotgun through, but I'd imagine since we just ended the last segment playing that clip of a little girl in Florida, We had to help her, they said.
00:37:57.000We had to felony charge the five-year-old.
00:38:00.000We have to call an outside help to help her.
00:38:04.000They're going to start helping, I guess, more of our children, Paul.
00:38:10.000Well, yeah, they had to help her for her own safety.
00:38:14.000And anyone that watches the video can judge for themselves, you know, if this girl's violent or out of control.
00:38:22.000Because, as I said in the article on prisonplanet.com, the worst it gets is that she's basically waving her hands around and barely even touching the teacher.
00:38:32.000And the teacher's sticking her arms out to be hit with almost a smile on her face, loving it.
00:38:37.000You can watch the teacher hounding her before this happens.
00:38:40.000Yeah, I mean, the force of the child doing this, as I said, is, you know, barely enough force to be able to swat a fly.
00:38:47.000Yeah, and it might knock a small champagne glass off a table.
00:38:52.000Before she's actually arrested, she's sitting down quietly, you know, not making a sound, until they twist her arms around and put the cuffs on.
00:39:00.000So, I made a list of reasons as to why, you know, this type of thing is increasing in regulation.
00:39:51.000They know by not disciplining them, telling the parents not to discipline, the child's gonna be bad, and then now the cops taser you, they take you to Juvie Hall, where some 15-year-old rapes you.
00:40:13.00015, 16 years ago, I was in primary school, and there were a few bad apples, and literally, we had kids throwing chairs across the room, like once a month, on a regular basis.
00:40:24.000They were always restrained, you know, sent to the headmaster's office, the principal's office, and that was the end of it.
00:40:31.000Nobody in their right mind would ever even consider calling the police.
00:40:35.000Do you have lavish, uh, did you have lavish Twinkie machines and Coke machines?
00:40:39.000No, we didn't have any kind of machines like that whatsoever.
00:40:42.000In the elementary schools, in the middle schools, in the high schools, literally, when I went to high school, and now it's even worse, I've been in high schools to be a speaker and seen it, literally, every 20-30 feet, there are Coke machines and candy machines.
00:40:57.000And during the five-minute break between classes, the children begin gobbling.
00:41:02.000Folks, do you know what happens when you feed a young person, or an adult for that matter, candy bars and cokes?
00:41:28.000So what is it, one in seven now, and those numbers are increasing on Ritalin.
00:41:33.000So they're either drooling in the corner or going wild.
00:41:38.000There are laws being introduced in the UK which make every offense arrestable.
00:41:43.000They're talking about the same thing in America.
00:41:46.000- Stick of bubble gum on the ground, arrested. - There was a 13 year old that threw a snowball at a police car She was arrested, and her DNA was stored in a database permanently.
00:42:01.000In Teague, Texas, probably 16, 17 years ago, I was there on Halloween, small town, running around with friends, throwing eggs at each other.
00:42:16.000And, uh, we got a little out of control.
00:42:18.000One of my friends threw an egg, hit a police car, and the cops came over, grabbed us by the scruff of the neck, told us to go home, and didn't even arrest us.
00:42:25.000Today, we probably would have been machine-gunned!
00:42:29.000To see how far it's changed in just the space of 10, 15 years is amazing.
00:42:34.000The point about this DNA database is, as the New Statesman article, which is mainstream, pointed out, it's a way for the state to identify miscreants at an early stage for things like throwing snowballs at police cars, dropping guns.
00:43:06.000And then, the stage managed school shootings have not turned schools into police state training camps, but actual prisons themselves.
00:43:18.000Attendance is mandatory, homeschooling is frowned upon, equated with terrorism, as the World Net Daily article talked about a few months ago.
00:43:26.000Um, and as you've covered, children in some states have to attend these truancy courses.
00:43:31.000Not just for truancy, but for not completing homework on time.
00:43:35.000Parents are being charged all over the country.
00:44:28.000These informant programs which are set up by the schools and the government to encourage children to rat on each other for credit cards and CD players.
00:44:38.000What was the one called Enroll to Tyranny that you covered?
00:44:47.000And shows them handing out, enrolling the children.
00:44:49.000But, I mean, in the new film I've got a mainstream news article out of Knoxville and other areas of the country where they've... It's not Knoxville, it's another town in Tennessee.
00:45:00.000Where they actually have the cameras in the school showers.
00:45:10.000And many of them are hooked up to the internet, but we're assured that they're completely closed to hacking, or virtually closed to hacking.
00:45:16.000Even though the principal shared it with his friends in North Carolina, the knackered 11-year-old girls, it's for security, Paul!
00:45:23.000And then, was it Goose Creek, where the police storm in with dogs, search bags and lockers, find absolutely nothing, getting them used to that?
00:45:35.000Everybody's standing with their hands up, searching everyone, the dogs grabbing packs, savaging them, children crying.
00:45:42.000And then we have Secret Service being called if students criticize the government.
00:45:47.000They have class debates, they disagree with government policy.
00:45:50.000Paul, every day I see an article where some honors student in an honors English class writes an essay where they use the word gun uh... and uh... even anti-gun articles you know, oh we should ban guns, oh gun, you said gun!
00:46:04.000In the article we're arresting you, you've got to go to psychological testing!
00:46:08.000One of my friends' sons uh... in his art class, he's in college now a few years ago, drew a picture of a guitar pick and they decided it might look like a gun and so they arrested him and he had to go to psychological testing.
00:46:25.000We had the article about the Guy with the, well he was a high school student, wearing his baseball cap sideways, he refused to turn it around.
00:46:34.000Oh he was an honor student and captain of the football team, yeah.
00:46:37.000But he refused to turn it around so they called the police.
00:46:53.000Well, they lock down, the doors have to be buzzed in and out, they have barbed wire fences around them, the military's in there recruiting, now they're going to start forced drugging, psychological testing.
00:47:14.000They're now akin to private security firms for the government.
00:47:18.000Um, so it goes from the peace officer to, uh, the law enforcement officer.
00:47:23.000And now even their police dogs are seen as worthier than we are.
00:47:27.000That's right, when a police dog gets kicked, one guy got 44 years in prison in Michigan, in Newcastle, PA, a man was walking through the parking lot, the dog, the window was down, the dog almost jumped out, almost bedding, he yelled back at the dog, he was charged with verbal assault of an officer, given one year in jail.
00:47:43.000Talking back to them, to their dogs, is now illegal.
00:47:48.000I've had other guests on who yelled back at a police dog, and there was one case in California and they're given jail time.
00:47:56.000And then, you know, the point is treating the population as the enemy, no matter how harmless they appear, anyone is considered a threat, even a five-year-old girl.
00:48:07.000And then we posted the articles from the past to contrast this, where they're supposedly protecting the five-year-old girl for her own safety, Meanwhile, we have things like, you know, California loses track of more than 30,000 sex offenders.
00:48:23.000We have 3,000 children missing, grabbed by CPS in Florida.
00:48:27.000They find some of them dead, heads cut off, and it turns out top, top, top pedophiles run the computer system and is the deputy head of their operation.
00:49:28.000And so, from front to back, as the article is headlined, it's the picture postcard of America's decline.
00:49:33.000And all the teachers' groups, at least those featured in the television report, which is up there, seem to love it.
00:49:40.000I mean, they've done nothing... I mean, in the Soviet Union, if a child walks in with a cake, and the plastic forks and knives, and the teacher smiles, they have some cake.
00:50:00.000I mean, they put our children on methamphetamine!
00:50:05.000Exactly, so just contrast it to 10, 15 years ago.
00:50:09.000It's the complete obliteration of common sense, mixed in with these, uh, PC protection laws whereby they would rehire the sex offenders and yet, you know, responsible... Think if we would have written, exactly, think if we would have written a science fiction book like this 50 years ago, people would have laughed at it.
00:50:27.000I mean, we're going to have, and this is in a bunch of the states, top pedophiles running the CPS, uh, just we're going to force drug you, ha ha ha!
00:50:55.000We got some new private prisons that just opened!
00:50:57.000We gotta have warm bodies in there at the factory!
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00:55:33.000Paul, I don't want to spend all day on this.
00:55:34.000We've got a bunch of news to cover, and I want to get into all the hit pieces from the New American, and from Front Page Magazine, and just all of it that are taking place.
00:55:43.000But any other comments on this, this stuff with the schools?
00:55:47.000Um, just the fact that it was caught on tape in the first place illustrates what you're saying, that the cameras are in there in the first place, and, you know, things like the sardonic intro at the beginning of the video, you know, this is the hottest video in America that you can't rent at a blockbuster.
00:56:05.000Your children in school being harassed by the teacher, the teacher's like this bucket of pus, obviously hounding the child, just look at it if you have any discernment!
00:56:16.000Hounding some poor child who they want to get in the system!
00:57:14.000Three different hit pieces in the last week, too, which mention us specifically.
00:57:19.000And things like the Trilateral Commission meeting, whether they veto the attack on Iran or not.
00:57:24.000And whatever the callers want to bring up.
00:57:28.000I'll tell you Paul, this is good news that they're intensifying their attacks on us.
00:57:33.000Well yeah, it goes back to the Gandhi quote that we brought to light a few months ago, a few weeks ago.
00:57:39.000First they ignore us, then they laugh at us, then they fight us, then we win.
00:57:44.000Um, it started with the BBC article for the second time, they weren't content with the first one, linking anyone that believed in a New World Order with both Timothy McVeigh and Osama Bin Laden.
00:57:57.000Actually says that, but then I guess then all these Presidents and Prime Ministers are with Al Qaeda then?
00:58:26.000Top royalty, top bankers, presidents meet in secret and we get their own documents that they admit are real saying they want world government.
00:59:18.000Believe me, you do not want to miss the guest we've got coming up.
00:59:23.000Since you were attacked too, Paul, I'm not going to have you for the full hour with the guest.
00:59:29.000But I do want you to stay 10-15 minutes with us into the first segment with him coming up here in about 30 minutes you have a chance to respond.
00:59:35.000John Sanders and they're there I guess at the John Lott Center and is a policy analyst at the Pope Center for Higher Education Policy writes for Front Page Magazine.
00:59:47.000Before he gets on with us we'll talk about the New American hit piece that really shows us where they're at and it will also cover a bunch of other key issues and jam a few calls in.
00:59:57.000Paul, we talked about this some in the last hour, just how many criminals are being hired, how they're hiring aggravated felons, who happen to be illegal aliens, according to the Washington Times, to make up large portions of the new military.
01:00:14.000Agency relied on them for honest reports.
01:00:17.000And, uh, they, uh, they knew they were criminals.
01:00:20.000And people always wonder why they'd rob your houses, wouldn't let you in your home, taser you after a week and a half being gone as your dogs starve to death.
01:00:28.000Why they're so brutal, it's because they're hardcore felons.
01:00:34.000Well, yeah, it's like, in Iraq, the people that'll take a taxi driver's car who stole some planks of wood and run it over.
01:00:41.000Basically because they're gang members and they need to swear an oath to the gang, and it's the same case with government hiring of these criminals.
01:00:49.000We've had cases in the past, as I mentioned before the break, where they would hire convicted sex offenders to child protection roles in government.
01:01:00.000We've had articles about the FBI using informants who were murderers, keeping them protected for decades in some cases, throughout the 70s, 80s and 90s.
01:01:12.000When the top of the chain is criminals, and now higher criminals are their underlings.
01:01:59.000Well, also, it means that it's so the system can discipline them.
01:02:04.000It's so they can get their mitts on them.
01:02:07.000Well, uh, yeah, but they're really not even disciplining.
01:02:10.000They're just getting under the system because the discipline back when I was in school would have been the principal would have paddled my backside.
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01:07:00.000In the last year there has been a flotilla A mass of hit pieces against myself and others that are exposing government involvement in 9-11 from the left, the right, from the establishment media, the so-called alternative media, and always leads back to the globalists.
01:07:17.000We'll be talking about that here in a few minutes.
01:07:19.000The last hour we talked a lot about this little five-year-old black girl who is, the teacher's trying to grab a hold of her and she's like spatting her.
01:07:28.000And I had heard the reports, you know, she threw something off a shelf and knocked over a chair.
01:07:33.000I looked at a bunch of different newscasts and never saw that.
01:07:46.000They already put tens of thousands of two-year-olds on Ritalin and Prozac and put them in solitary confinement on Thorazine in some cases because they cry for their parents when they're taken.
01:07:56.000That's considered to be mental illness, crying for your parents and having a tantrum.
01:08:00.000And then, yeah, this sounds like the classic M.O., then bring out more of the tape later and say, see, it's reasonable.
01:08:06.000It's never reasonable to taser six-year-olds.
01:08:10.000It's never reasonable to handcuff five-year-olds.
01:08:14.000This type of behavior has always been out there, and children were disciplined by the school.
01:08:24.000We've got to help you with a felony charge.
01:08:26.000Real fast, Sean, you've got to finish up what you were saying.
01:08:29.000Okay, real quick, what I wanted to say is that human nature, that when a person doesn't feel loved or cared for, human nature is to lash out violently.
01:08:38.000And the way that you show a child that throws a tantrum like this, that you love them, is not to call the cops.
01:08:44.000You show them that you love them by caring enough about what they're doing to discipline them.
01:08:53.000If you really love your children or care about the children you're taking care of, Many times, I mean it's so easy folks to restrain a five-year-old to simply hug them in a bear hug and tell them no.
01:09:04.000But see the teacher can't even do that and by the time they're a few years older, I mean I remember being in first grade and being taken to the principal's office and they had the little paddle that looks like the paddle that you bong the ball with and getting a pop.
01:09:21.000I think that happened one time Indeed.
01:09:25.000in all of first grade, and I didn't misbehave again.
01:10:07.000So, I mean, they show these weak father figures and it only encourages fathers to become, you know, more You know, lethargic and just drink beer on weekends and not even try to relate to their own kids.
01:10:19.000It's a vicious circle because then the kids don't have any respect and they misbehave.
01:10:23.000It's a real pleasure to raise your children and to raise them up strong and enlightened and informed.
01:10:31.000And the way to get through to your children, folks, is to explain to them.
01:10:33.000This government wants to put you in a prison camp.
01:11:26.000Well, that's the case, and it's amazing how many children, and then people right up to, you know, my age, go around thinking that doing drugs is so cool, completely oblivious, that the government ships them in in the large majority of cases.
01:11:40.000Um, cocaine's been proven to be good in operation.
01:12:40.000I want you to picture Regional SWAT teams, over four SWAT teams, black masks, fake blood, fake arms, fake intestines, splattered in buckets on the children.
01:13:39.000You think putting people in a sports stadium with projectors, you know, telling you communism is good as brainwashing, that is.
01:13:46.000But you think about the mind control, the sheer evil 1984 brainwashing of elementary students splattered with fake intestines and gallons of fake blood, being told homeschoolers are going to kill you, that child's going to hate homeschoolers for the rest of their life, they're going to have nightmares about homeschoolers, when homeschoolers I've never done anything to anybody!
01:14:34.000That's who the war on terror is really on, homeschooling.
01:14:37.000And now the feds are trying to ban homeschoolers from being in spelling bees and geography bees because they're winning them all.
01:14:44.000No, it's completely betrayed public schooling and the fact that homeschoolers are not only more Straight, more moral, more successful later in life, but they're more intelligent because they don't have all these peer pressure and distractions which drag them back all the time.
01:14:58.000Paul, if I sound really mad today, it's because of all these hit pieces and the rest of it.
01:15:02.000If I sound upset, folks, you get upset about football and baseball and yelling scream.
01:15:47.000Well, basically, it's a rehash of the Ben Chertoff, Oman security, popular mechanic, strawman hit piece.
01:15:57.000It's not weaker, because they, with the situation basically, they attack people who talk about pods on the bottom of Flight 175, talk about no plane hitting the Pentagon, which we have tried to be balanced on.
01:16:11.000We've presented arguments from both sides.
01:16:14.000But then later on in the article, they start attacking people who say that bombs were used in the World Trade Center attack.
01:16:22.000And they mention Alex Jones and PrisonPlanet.com, as well as others.
01:16:26.000But, I mean, Larry Silverstein says they blew it up.
01:16:29.000The AP was told, get back, we're going to blow the building up.
01:16:53.000They don't use a firefighter's testimony.
01:16:55.000They don't use Silverstein admitting seven was pulled.
01:16:58.000They don't use a seismograph for people in the towers, people on the ground or which, you know, has been on our website for over three years.
01:17:05.000And they need to keep up with government cover stories because they're behind the times on this one.
01:17:11.000They rehashed these engineers' comments, the same ones that Popular Mechanics used, where they said they knew the planes alone would be enough to take the towers down, which goes against every historical example of a steel building catching on fire.
01:17:25.000When even the government, in the latest federal report, concludes that the planes were not the cause of the collapse.
01:17:32.000The buildings were not built properly.
01:17:34.000Yeah, they blamed faulty fireproofing, which is obviously another story.
01:17:46.000When we had the owner saying, he blew it up!
01:17:50.000So the point is now that even the government admits that the planes weren't the cause and New American Popular Mechanics are still reporting that they were, so they're behind on the government cover stories.
01:18:00.000And then we had that New York Times article from the 70s where they had a fire in the North Tower of the World Trade Center.
01:18:06.000So, you know, any faulty fireproofing would have been clearly evident and taken care of back then.
01:18:11.000Number one, fireproofing wasn't, even though they had asbestos fireproofing on the pillars, still, those cool fires don't melt or destroy giant four foot around, six foot around girders.
01:18:24.000And the fires were basically out just before the collapse of the firefighter's tapes clearly show.
01:18:31.000I want you to read the specifics of what they said about us when we get back and then I want to get into the latest front page magazine hit piece.
01:18:39.000And we've got him coming on, the guy that wrote it, so we salute his courage.
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01:24:18.000And one of the major problems that we've got with it, is that it takes three headlines from, I believe it's prisonplanet.com, it may be a similar website, but it's the same thing, It takes three headlines from a day you wrote the article and just reprints them without comment, like, oh, look at these crazy headlines, who would believe this website?
01:24:38.000And the three headlines, one is from the London Guardian, another is from Reuters, and the third is from Hearst Publishing, which also publishes Popular Mechanics, who also attacked us, which is about the fake screened audiences at the Bushtown Hall meeting.
01:24:57.000So he takes a headline, which is supposedly kooky, from a publication which attacked us in the same way that he's attacking us.
01:25:06.000And then the other two, Reuters and London Guardian.
01:25:09.000And then he basically says, these nuts believe Bohemian Grove exists!
01:25:15.000That's like saying they believe that there's a capital in Washington, D.C.!
01:25:18.000They believe that a moon orbits the Earth!
01:25:25.000There's a photo on the front page of this professor's website, who you had on the air, showing what you believe is Spanish secret police or Italian.
01:25:38.000And, um, Professor Christensen, before she removed it, because obviously it was confusing people with a lack of intelligence, she had a sarcastic comment up there, like, that's me on the left.
01:26:35.000I'm going to thank him on air when he joins us in a minute.
01:26:39.000It's certainly not as sophisticated as the BBC one, because they enlisted this Michael Barcoon, who was attacking you on C-SPAN last year.
01:26:49.000as saying that, "Beginning in the 1980s, so-called New World Order conspiracy theories spread throughout the extreme light in the US.
01:26:57.000They asserted some nebulous conspiracy was on threshold of seizing all power in the US and dismantling the constitutional system." I thought I was a communist, Paul.
01:27:07.000The conspiratorial speculation reached fever pitch with an unwitting reference by former President Bush to a New World Order in a 91 speech to the Congress marking the end of the Gulf War.
01:27:16.000He only said it 244 times and wrote about it and called for it.
01:27:25.000Mr. Bush was simply noting the shift in geopolitics as the Soviet Union crumbled and suddenly the bipolar world of the Cold War melted away, potentially giving rise to new international... Funny, Thomas Barnett at the Pentagon, one of the chief strategists for the Naval War College, says it's world government.
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01:32:23.000Take our time here and go over all of this because this is important.
01:32:26.000Now, if this was just about me, if this was just about I, I wouldn't cover it, I wouldn't talk about it.
01:32:33.000I mean, when the Washington Post calls me names, the New York Times does, or when I'm called a right-wing extremist, I ignore it.
01:32:39.000But, this is a case point example, a textbook example, of either witting or unwitting propaganda and techniques that are used.
01:32:48.000So when Vanity Fair attacks us, when American Legion attacks us, or the New American, or Front Page Magazine, or Popular Mechanics, we respond.
01:33:01.000Because we have the facts, we have the proof of what we claim and what we bring forward.
01:33:07.000John Sanders, I really appreciate coming on, is a political analyst at the Pope Center for Higher Education Policy, a spinoff of the John Locke Foundation he's also been part of.
01:33:18.000He researches and writes about public policy issues affecting colleges and universities.
01:33:23.000Not even covered some of his articles before, in a positive light.
01:33:26.000In North Carolina and across the country, Sanders produces a weekly newsletter on these issues entitled, Clarion Call.
01:33:32.000Sanders has been published in the Wall Street Journal.
01:33:35.000Which also talks about the Bohemian Grove, National Review, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Freeman, the Philadelphia Enquirer, and numerous newspapers in North Carolina.
01:33:44.000Sanders has been an adjunct instructor in economics at the North Carolina State University and holds a master's degree in economics with a minor in statistics and a bachelor's degree in English literature and language from North Carolina State.
01:33:57.000Sanders is a native of Garner, North Carolina.
01:34:00.000You can go to InfoWars.com and link through to FrontPage Magazine and Link through to our quick analysis and response to it.
01:34:09.000And Paul Watson is with us because he's been savaged as well as part of this latest salvo.
01:34:15.000The vicious attacks, half-baked attacks from the neocon to American, full of its little conspiracy theories, they're refusing to come on this broadcast and others.
01:34:37.000To start off here, why don't you explain to people why you wrote this article and give us your side of the story.
01:34:45.000Well, I wrote this article as part of a series I do for the Pope Center entitled Course of the Month.
01:34:53.000And what I do is, it's sort of a Golden Fleece Award for courses taught in colleges and universities in North Carolina.
01:35:05.000And I try to find what appears to me as some of the most absurd or sneezing non-academic courses in the system and highlight them because I believe that sunlight is the best disinfectant.
01:35:19.000So I found out about this course taught by Jane Christensen at North Carolina Westland, entitled the same thing as your DVD, right?
01:35:31.0009-11, The Road to Tyranny, and went to the syllabus, looked through all the links and everything it went, and wrote an article based on everything that was included in the syllabus.
01:35:59.000I went through all the websites she said were daily readings, recommended daily readings, and I reported on some of the headlines and things that I found in there.
01:36:09.000I went to your website and reported on some of the headlines and advertisements and things that I found in there and did the same throughout her syllabus as well.
01:36:22.000Let me read a small portion Or to basically just paraphrase some of the things you said.
01:36:44.000President Eisenhower was abducted by aliens, and that Nixon, Reagan, and the Bushes go off to a remote California location to practice owl worship.
01:36:52.000Now, just stop right there, because I want to expand on this for a second.
01:36:56.000Okay, well let me... Sir, I just want you to talk... let me say something here for a second.
01:37:02.000Number one, we don't say a Jewish cabal controls world events.
01:37:05.000We've never talked about aliens abducting anybody.
01:38:44.000When she makes the claim that Israel created fake Al Qaeda groups to carry out terror attacks, that has been in all the major Jewish newspapers.
01:38:51.000Now is Professor Christensen now Jewish?
01:38:54.000Because she links to a socialist website, so you call her socialist.
01:39:00.000Well, first of all, let me back up a little bit.
01:39:02.000Do you believe what Professor Christensen believes because you link to her?
01:39:05.000Okay, you guys are going to make my case for me if you're going to argue for skepticism about things that appear on the web.
01:39:13.000What I said, you know, in the context of Jewish cabal controls the world event in that quote, that was, if you think the Bush administration planned the 9-11 attack to give it an excuse to wage war for global domination, that a Jewish cabal controls the world event, And all of those, then you'll disagree with my assessment.
01:39:33.000That sentence refers back to my first paragraph, which is that I believe that this was a course quite worthy of listing in my course of the month.
01:39:43.000So, that, all of those things respond to different sites and findings that I found on those different sites.
01:39:51.000So, of those, if I recall correctly, the Nixon, Reagan, and Bush is going to practice dowel worship referred back to what InfoWars.
01:40:51.000For example, it was because there were more things to choose from than I could.
01:40:56.000I couldn't report on every Headline in that.
01:40:59.000What you're counting on people doing, Mr. Sanders, is not going and checking out the facts.
01:41:04.000You're counting on them reading all this ridiculous stuff about, I mean, you can go anywhere you want on the web and talk about aliens kidnapping a president and then add that in to the analysis and it's guilt by association.
01:41:16.000You don't have to say where that came from.
01:41:19.000The professor linked this as a daily reading website.
01:41:24.000Well, what's on these websites, and this is what I find.
01:41:26.000Oh yeah, and so you look at advertising, you look at forums, and if you can find anything connected to anything, though tentatively you try to mix it all in together.
01:41:36.000It's all there in a syllabus, so I went to each one and reported on what was in it.
01:41:39.000There was nothing in the syllabus about Eisenhower and aliens.
01:41:43.000There was in the daily readings, and I went just on what was on there on April 4th when I wrote the article.
01:41:52.000There was a link to a website that had some advertising for something.
01:41:56.000I couldn't have found it otherwise, other than going through the website.
01:42:00.000I can go to ABC News and read about flying saucers.
01:42:02.000They have that for a month on their main page.
01:42:04.000Does that mean that there's an article on ABC News about Pope Benedict XVI?
01:42:08.000Maybe I should mix in an article about flying saucers and Pope Benedict XVI.
01:42:14.000I'm not sure exactly what you're arguing.
01:42:16.000Are you saying that everything is true?
01:42:17.000No, what I'm saying is because you go to a site and there's a banner for some advertisement about space aliens, then you can't look at everything on that site and say it's kooky.
01:42:30.000Okay, so if I go to a website and there's an ad for Battlestar Galactica on, say, a major news channel's website, then I can't believe anything on that news site because there's an ad for Battlestar Galactica.
01:42:42.000Well, that of Star of the Galactic is pretty much a fictional thing that everyone knows, right?
01:42:48.000Isn't it an ABC 2-hour special on UFOs?
01:42:50.000Oh, well, I don't... Does that mean everything ABC ever does is kooky?
01:42:55.000Look, look, let me get Paul to respond.
01:42:56.000Paul, I mean, there's so many points here that he brings up.
01:43:43.000Maybe I'm confused over all the different buildings, but if I recall correctly, they did bring down several of the buildings afterwards because they had sustained damage.
01:43:54.000On the day of 9-11 at 5-30, they gave the order to quote, pull building 7, gave the order, and watched it come down, and firefighters told the Associated Press, we're bringing building 7 down.
01:44:04.000By the way, are you aware of the new official FEMA story is that the buildings were faulty is why they fell?
01:44:09.000Not the last three official stories of why it fell?
01:44:13.000I'm not keeping up with which is the official theme of the story or whatever.
01:44:17.000I'm just... Well, how do you call her basically... I mean, how do you imply she's a communist because she links to socialist websites?
01:44:58.000I mention Al Jazeera, Pravda, the other alternative media, the International Solidarity Movement for Palestine, Earth First, Deputy's Desire for Republican Webbrings.
01:45:07.000These are the sort of things, when I read, they do They do make me, they do give me cough cough.
01:45:15.000Did you link to that UPI article about Israel carrying out terror attacks against itself?
01:45:37.000It's in the National Security Archive.
01:45:39.000It was called the Strategy of Tension.
01:45:41.000It was a CIA operation in the 70s in Spain, Italy and France to stage bombings, such as train stations, soft targets, to blame it on the then left to bolster the right-wing government.
01:45:54.000And we've exposed right-wing terrorism, left-wing terrorism, but that is admitted as taking place in the 70s.
01:45:59.000Fake terror attacks blamed on the left-wing.
01:46:09.000Like I said, I already wrote 1,600 words on it.
01:46:11.000I can't go into everything and respond to it.
01:46:15.000I was giving information as to what this course entails.
01:46:20.000Now, from an academic perspective, there is nothing other than this one perspective.
01:46:28.000And it's supposedly an academic course, senior level, judged by the number, 495.
01:46:35.000Um, that when she admits it directly in her syllabus that, um, sorry I'm reading, this course is unscientific and is outside the scope of traditional political science.
01:46:52.000That's fair grounds for me to criticize as far as I'm concerned.
01:46:55.000Well the course is saying Bill Clinton and George Bush aren't crime partners, you know, telling us there's a fake, I mean, that there is some type of left-right separation.
01:47:07.000I mean, she's honest about the fact that she believes this is true and that this is her view, but then if you watch my films, it's all documents and the government admitting it and their own documents and where you can get them.
01:47:21.000And you trust the government documents so they'll admit something, but you don't trust the government on other things.
01:47:28.000They put the spin on it that it's good that the U.S.
01:47:30.000government wanted to carry out terror attacks.
01:47:32.000They put the spin on things that it's good that they're arresting five-year-old children.
01:47:36.000They put the spin on things that it's good that our borders are wide open.
01:47:40.000They put the spin on things that it's good that our police wear black ski masks.
01:47:44.000Well, anyone with any skeptical frame of mind can think of these things and combat them internally without I'm believing the absolute worst about people.
01:47:56.000My underlying criticism of this whole thing is the immediate jump to a spiritual outlook.
01:48:53.000Now, we know about the fake reporters, the payoffs, the hundreds of millions of dollars of fake newscasts, people being told, take your ties off at meetings, spray painting over the made in China.
01:49:05.000I mean, all the fake news, sir, are you saying there's not propaganda placement?
01:49:10.000Because you are implying that it's mixed in with all this other stuff.
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01:54:10.000So now he's implying she has a PhD in pain.
01:54:13.000By the same token, the course doesn't have any political science or scientific approach, but it has a PhD in kooky conspiracy mongering.
01:55:20.000I was quoting The Simpsons in order to make a No!
01:55:24.000But you go to a website that has some alien thing as a sponsor and now you're connecting it to that tentatively.
01:55:33.000No, I didn't connect it to it tentatively.
01:55:35.000The site is in the woman's syllabus as one of her recommended daily readings, whichever one it was, Renzi, I think it was.
01:55:45.000Look, I commend her for being honest about her views.
01:55:48.000I'm glad she's honest about her views, sir.
01:55:53.000If she wants to be an activist, that's fine.
01:55:56.000If she's going to do this in the context of giving an academic perspective on 9-11, and she does it from one side of the spectrum, then I'm going to criticize.
01:56:07.000I get attacked for criticizing professors who do it from the other side of the spectrum.
01:56:13.000It's been kind of refreshing to be called a communist.
01:56:22.000The left gives out pretty bad, silly insults that, you know, third graders get out to.
01:56:27.000Well, that's because they're controlled by the same foundations that control the control right-wing in this country.
01:56:32.000Paul Watson, any comments or questions for Mr. Sanders?
01:56:36.000Yeah, well, we were attacked in a similar vein by the BBC for believing in the New World Order, for believing government involvement in 9-11.
01:56:48.000This article, when it mentions links to communist front groups, ANSA and other Marxist groups, international solidarity movements, Palestine, Equates us with the extreme left-wing, but it's the same attack foundation.
01:57:02.000So that proves that these labels are just direct to demonization.
01:57:06.000It's got nothing to do with the facts.
01:57:09.000It's all about left-wing right-wingers.
01:57:12.000The labels are correct as far as the groups that are linked.
01:57:15.000But I'd say more of her links are to mainstream news and documents, and you don't mention one of those.
01:57:21.000Well, you can link to mainstream, but then when you give groups like these that you mention, It makes me question... Well, quite frankly, I think some of those groups have done great analysis.
01:57:31.000Counterpunch and Global Research and others.
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02:06:14.000If you think the Bush administration planned the 9-11 attacks to give it an excuse to wage war for global domination, well, PNAC says that.
02:06:23.000That a Jewish cabal controls world events.
02:06:26.000That's just pulled from some other site.
02:06:28.000That President Eisenhower was abducted by aliens, again pulled from some other site.
02:06:31.000And that Nixon, Reagan, and the Bushes go off on a remote California location to practice owl worship.
02:06:37.000None of that is involved with our website.
02:06:39.000Then you'll disagree with my assessment.
02:06:41.000The rest of you, I'm confident, will say, move over, and then it goes on, and make way for North Carolina, Wesleyan College Politics, a political science 495, 9-1-1, the road to tyranny, taught by Professor Jane Christensen.
02:07:00.000So it's so clear there what's being done.
02:07:02.000Mixing in a bunch of wild conspiracy theories, Because sites that she links to have advertisers or links to something else, it's out of control.
02:07:12.000And he quotes these supposed things off our websites, like fake news, controlled news, when that's mainstream news.
02:07:25.000Paul Watson, during the break, we were talking, you were saying you had a question for Mr. Sanders, our guest.
02:07:32.000Yeah, I was just reading through the article again, It just struck me that almost half of the article is just copied and pasted.
02:07:41.000You know, this site says this, this website says that.
02:07:45.000There's not really a point to the article.
02:07:46.000I'm not getting a specific clear point.
02:07:49.000I mean, yeah, it says this is kooky, but it never really explains why with any opposing evidence.
02:07:55.000And it associates the real documented missions with space aliens!
02:07:59.000I mean, come on, Mr. Sanders, you cannot deny what you set out to do here with this article.
02:08:04.000You ignored the lion's share of serious material as you spanned the web looking at advertisers and things to come up with this.
02:08:14.000Well, certainly I focus on what to me seem like the more sensationalist aspects, but this is stuff put forth by this professor as daily reading.
02:08:24.000So, going through these things on one day, this is what I see.
02:09:28.000The course which is listed, whose university is listed in the headline.
02:09:32.000The course which is listed at the beginning, And then she's got a picture of European security forces and as a joke says, I'm the one on the right.
02:09:40.000I mean, it's a clear joke, just like your Simpsons comment is a pure joke.
02:09:46.000Again, when I asked you earlier, uh, what you objected to as far as my treatment of your site, um, I mean, I, I, I understand we're going to disagree on opinion and that's fine.
02:09:58.000Um, but as far as matter of fact, this is what I'm interested in.
02:10:02.000Everything that I reported was on your site.
02:10:05.000The quotes that I got grabbed were from your site.
02:11:13.000All I can say is, welcome to our nightmare.
02:11:16.000And we have to sift through all kinds of extraneous material To try to get the real truth when the establishment news media is letting us down big time.
02:11:29.000For instance, back in 1997, Margaret Thatcher, the former British Prime Minister, said, Today's international policymaker's short-term goal is to subordinate American and other national sovereignties to multilateral authorities.
02:11:43.000Their long-term goal, one suspects, is to establish the UN as a kind of embryo world government.
02:11:48.000This was in a presentation before the Heritage Foundation.
02:11:51.000Now, this was not in the mainstream news, and this was a statement that I think you'll agree with me, as one American to another, it is certainly a newsworthy comment by someone in Herp who used to be a Prime Minister.
02:12:04.000Now, you know, when the big establishment news media leave gaping holes in the fabric of our information, what are we to do but to go to
02:12:18.000uh... the you know the smaller in some cases let me make a quick comment let me just make this quick comment here you know very very fast this is the same attack pattern of Vanity Fair the same attack pattern of American Legion the same attack pattern of popular mechanics the same attack pattern over and over again they go out and scour the web and add what kooks say into what we're doing it is the same tactic and my question uh... to our guest Is this Mr. John Sanders?
02:12:48.000David Horowitz in Front Page Magazine has been linked to the Neocon Cabals and the Bush funding mechanisms.
02:14:00.000You understand that I come from this from a perspective of I'm studying forces in North Carolina.
02:14:05.000I'm not keeping up with all of the different Conspiracy theories or whatever.
02:14:09.000Tactic number two, people always try to limit the debate in scope.
02:14:13.000Mike, finish up what you were saying and we'll let the... Well, let me respond, and if you're going to talk tactics, whatever you say is my tactic in linking you with all these other groups, which I didn't make up.
02:14:24.000Those groups were listed on the website as part of her daily reading, so I, when studying the course, I go to see what these things are, and I reported what was on one day.
02:14:34.000But you say, this is the same tactic that Vanity Fair used, that somebody else used it.
02:14:39.000Really, is there any difference between what you just did and what I did?
02:14:43.000No, I'm sitting here... Hey, sir, Bohemian Grove is real!
02:14:47.000You mix Bohemian Grove in with space aliens, they kneel before Moloch of Leviticus!
02:14:53.000They bring in the bound effigy of a child, and they burn it!
02:14:57.000They do mock, throat-slitting, and Satan worship at Skull and Bones.
02:15:02.000It's been on national television, and you're saying it's no big deal.
02:15:06.000You should have told your readers when you'd go, Space Aliens, Bohemian Grove.
02:15:10.000You should have said, by the way, Bohemian Grove's real.
02:15:14.000I don't see that as any evidence of world domination, which is pretty much where all of these... Would you let somebody that worshiped a 40-foot stone island and mocked sacrifices in their backyard babysit your children?
02:15:28.000What were you talking about when you said about changing the course, changing the... Yeah, really.
02:15:35.000You imply Bohemian Grove doesn't even exist.
02:16:03.000Yeah, Alex, I'm inclined to give this man the benefit of the doubt.
02:16:07.000I think he really is as ignorant as he seems.
02:16:09.000And I don't mean that to be as derogatory as it sounds.
02:16:13.000I think you're a victim of public school education, like many of our contemporaries, and you simply don't know a whole lot about what's really going on.
02:16:20.000And, you know, you can thank your mainstream press to a great extent.
02:16:25.000I mean, can you not Do you not have some sympathy for a professor who points her students to other sources of information?
02:16:39.000You ignored the preponderance of serious news!
02:16:42.000You ignored the preponderance of real analysis!
02:16:47.000If you're putting the academic informatter on a course and saying this is academic and you're only going to give one angle One slice of pie and looking at something.
02:16:57.000That's not an academic way of looking at it, in my opinion.
02:17:00.000Now, you can disagree with that, and that's fine.
02:17:04.000As far as me being some victim of public schooling, I'm sorry.
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02:21:55.000I was saying, what about public officials who are not to fly the night before, specifically to New York?
02:22:08.000You go to Professor Christensen's site, Almost all the links on her site go to sites that then show all the documents, the admissions, the congressional testimony, FBI agent's testimony, and then yeah, on some of these sites she links to, to a particular article, say an AP article that's been saved by some other site, you can then click over and go to the forum and then find some other link to something else, or see a ad for something, and then ooh, look, they're kooky!
02:22:35.000No, you can't address the specifics of what she says on her site, of Operation Northwoods, or Gladio, or Herat submitting that Israel carried out terror attacks.
02:22:44.000That's Jewish newspaper, to blame it on their political enemies.
02:23:21.000People coming away with this, everything linked in together, and they see any disagreement with the official version of events as being kooky.
02:24:51.000I brought up a CNN article about Israeli citizens that were When 9-11 happened, they were outside of the van, cheering on the burning Twin Towers.
02:25:04.000These are all from mainstream news sites, so I guess my question is... And then he'll say, well, then why do you believe them?
02:25:10.000No, no, they're always putting the spin on it, that it's good!
02:25:18.000Sorry, we sometimes worry about putting words in people's mouths.
02:25:22.000Okay, I have two questions for the guests.
02:25:24.000One question is, do you think that these mainstream news, um, Websites are a cookie.
02:25:30.000My other question is, you're talking about people linking to Al Jazeera, but every other night when I watch any of these news programs, they're talking about new tape from Al Jazeera.
02:25:41.000So if the analysts at ABC, NBC, CNN, Fox News can all go to Al Jazeera and look up information, then why would it be bad for a professor to ask her students to go to that same website?
02:25:55.000I just mentioned what she does on her side.
02:26:13.000Because that's what people are going to come away with after they read the article.
02:26:16.000The point is to explain about the course.
02:26:19.000I go through the syllabus, I go through... But the course links to specific subsections, not to whatever you can find on the labyrinth sites.
02:26:26.000You know, these are sites, all of the sites that, you know, the alien sites and all of that... ABC is linked to me, ABC is linked to me many times.
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02:30:35.000Shortly after 9-11, George W. Bush stood up in front of the U.N.
02:30:38.000now 800-509-3201 800-509-3201 shortly after 9-11 George W. Bush stood up in front of the UN and said none of us should ever tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of 9-11.
02:31:03.000A Attacks and claims, he said, made only to take the blame away from the terrorists, away from the guilty.
02:31:34.000And we really appreciate you coming on with us, Mr. Sanders, but I would say that you have failed and you will only push more people to our sites where they will learn the truth and wake up to the New World Order.
02:32:30.000I mean, people... When you reduce things to grand conspiracies, in my view, you are reducing people to comic book characters of, you know, cartoon super villains.
02:32:56.000If you go to Infowars.com or PrisonPlanet.com, you're going to see government documents, the bills, the legislation, what's being proposed, okay?
02:33:40.000But, do it, do it, do quite everything that happens, and it's sort of this post-poke reasoning, you know, if this happened, look who benefits, and therefore it must have all been a planned event, and you don't believe it's a planned event.
02:33:52.000When you go to the PENAC documents and Dick Cheney says it is, you gotta believe him!
02:33:56.000You gotta believe what Dick Cheney said!
02:33:59.000Well, yeah, he said we need terrorist attacks, so did Brzezinski.
02:34:05.000Well, I mean, what's the biggest conspiracy theory?
02:34:07.000We have an official version of events with 9-11, Based on 19 hijackers, most of which couldn't fly planes in the first place according to their flight instructors, planning this all from a cave and then things like their passport fluttering down out of the airline and being found five blocks away.
02:34:25.000BBC reports five of the hijackers are still alive.
02:34:28.000Other mainstream news reports cite seven as still being alive.
02:34:32.000The government has never presented any evidence of their official version of the event.
02:34:36.000Why did Condoleezza Rice call up Merrilee Brown the night before and say, don't bother New York tomorrow?
02:35:10.000There's things like Rumsfeld saying there are weapons of mass destruction and then never being challenged on it for lying and the media saying he never said that.
02:36:15.000Well, you might see one of those articles every 5-6 months on our webpage and that link is there on the site and I have instructed Paul to occasionally put quirking news on the site because that's what people want.
02:36:31.000And we're trying to expand and look at everything.
02:36:34.000And WorldNetDaily would totally agree with you that Lord Bush is our savior.
02:36:39.000Whatever, you know, you're using a straw man.
02:36:42.000If you're going to put arguments in my mouth, I would really prefer that you link to them or you quote them directly.
02:36:47.000I don't want to be... I don't want straw man attacked.
02:36:51.000Don't mind you quoting from my article and let me respond.
02:37:58.000As I was reading your 1600 words, I was looking forward to everything you described up front, you eventually debunking, or at least exploring, but then you get to the last sentence, which turned out, I mean, it seemed like a sarcastic kind of cop-out, but I do inadvertently agree with it.
02:38:15.000NC Wesleyan should be proud of Professor Christensen's course, if only because she's advancing really a discussion about a More complex media environment than we've ever seen.
02:38:28.000Yeah, all we get is the official media line from the official media.
02:38:32.000So she's giving us the alternative view that is the dominant one by the way.
02:38:35.000And really what this is about and what even this discussion is advancing as well is about discernment and about misinformation and disinformation and actual truth.
02:38:46.000And what's dawning on me even in this conversation is that there are true artists of misinformation and disinformation And then there are people that practice it by accident.
02:38:59.000But to compare Professor Christensen's course to, I think early on, you compared it to canine studies, canine cultural studies.
02:39:11.000That's laughable, but I think a better, more apt analogy might be to compare it to the cultural studies of the sheep culture, because there is kind of a mass mindset or mass Walk of hardcore accept this that are believing really whatever is presented by let's say the popular world government or US government view and that there is that tendency to kind of think that To go with the flock.
02:39:41.000Our founding fathers told us to not trust the government.
02:39:44.000That it was dangerous and evil and wicked and out of control.
02:39:47.000But today, oh, it's bad to have that view out of the gates.
02:39:50.000Even though human history and all our experiences show us that the worst in government is almost always the case.
02:39:57.000World tyranny, corruption, empires, despotism, serfdom, feudalism, slavery is the norm.
02:40:03.000Freedom is the very rare gemstone of gemstones.
02:40:08.000Yeah, if I had read your article a few years ago before waking up to some of these things, I would have kind of sided with you and scoffed, essentially.
02:40:18.000But now, as I read it, I was looking forward to you enlightening me on what you were scoffing at, and I never really got there.
02:40:25.000Like I said, it just seemed like you went with that last sentence, which NC Wesleyan Like I said before, I should be proud of the advancing of this conversation, especially things like Major Corp.
02:40:36.000I'm not really sure what that story is, but it seems to be a relevant journalistic piece of information.
02:41:20.000was at a Carlisle Group function at the head table with the head of the Bin Laden family?
02:41:23.000At 8.30 in the morning on 9-11, the General Amoud Ahmed wired $100,000 to Muhammad Adam and was having breakfast with Porter Goss and the new CIA head and Senator Graham that morning.
02:41:34.000Oh, did you know the FBI agents have gotten up at the National Press Club and said they'll be arrested if they tell us what they know.
02:41:40.000All they can tell us is the Bushes vacation with the Bin Ladens.
02:41:45.000I don't know anything about what you talked about, but what you're describing, even if any or all of these things are true, you've got post-hoc, you're taking this and the events later and combining them when you don't know if that's the case.
02:42:00.000The CIA in its own official report just so happened to be doing a drill of the exact same thing, sure.
02:42:04.000Well, yeah, and I know you, people who believe in grand conspiracies do not believe in, for instance... No, no, no, Bush told us they never heard of a plan to fly a plane into a building, no.
02:42:28.000You're talking about... You're talking about... You don't care if the CIA was running drills?
02:42:33.000What I'm saying is, I don't take, you know, these one little things and blow it up and... One little thing?
02:42:42.000Dick Cheney, three months before, taking the authority from the generals to shoot down errant jets from them, a power they've had since 1957, in the command bunker, in control?
02:44:18.000Sir, Sanders, can you give us your email?
02:44:20.000Paul, can you send him a couple dozen mainstream articles about... How about the Toronto Star?
02:44:25.000The ghost of Trotsky walks the halls of the White House?
02:44:27.000Yeah, I've got it right here in front of me.
02:44:29.000Well, if I read that, I would laugh about it.
02:44:33.000It's actually the National Post, which is in more right-wing, so the whole, oh, liberal thing is not going to work on that.
02:44:39.000So you didn't know that the neocons were founded by communists?
02:44:43.000You know, you say these things like, you didn't know this, you didn't know, and you'll, you'll source, you'll source an article... I bet you $10,000 a year!
02:44:51.000...that you want me to believe, but on the other side... I'm ready to back it up, Bubba!
02:44:56.000Really, it's like a game of Jeopardy, and Mr. Jones is trumping you.
02:44:59.000You might even be in the negative dollar value at this point.
02:45:03.000I'm giving you a philosophical perspective, an outlook, a skepticism toward things, and you're not, which is fine.
02:45:11.000Even when you laugh out of that kind of fear, you're rejecting even the concept of reading about B because you're so attached to A. I want to call you a professor or a doctor.
02:48:29.000You're going to believe him because it matches what you want.
02:48:32.000No, I believe him because he's got the best voting record, and he's a good personal friend of mine, and he knows about the New World Order.
02:48:38.000John Sanders, thank you for coming on.
02:48:40.000I want to thank you for having the courage.
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02:53:20.000I just like calling you professor for some reason.
02:53:23.000Our good friend who reports on the media and covers all this writes for the Wall Street Journal and other publications, John Sanders.
02:53:30.000Again, I want to thank you for joining us.
02:53:31.000If folks want to email you or visit any websites you write for, how do they do that?
02:53:36.000Um, my email is jsanders, J-S-A-N-D-E-R-S at popecenter.org, C-O-P-E, center.org, it's not Catholic, it's a family name, um, who is a major donor to, to the, um, foundation, um, and... My, my, my, my mother's, mother's side is Pope.
02:55:15.000Well, Alex, you're doing a really good job there, exposing darkness with the truth.
02:55:19.000You know, our nation, as individuals and as a nation, the more we cooperate with sin, the more we're cooperating with the God of this world, Satan.
02:55:27.000And he has a right to rule us, you know, with external and internal government.
02:55:31.000So people need to turn to the Lord and get saved, and No, he designs the consequences of them.
02:55:36.000Yeah, they're saying trust government blindly.
02:55:38.000The Bible says Satan's the god of this world.
02:55:45.000Anyway, 1 Corinthians 5 talks about being given over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, and I think that's what the spirit might be saved, and I think that's what we're looking at in America, and then eventually the tribulation period.
02:55:55.000So that people would realize the consequences of sin and not end up in the eternal lake of fire.