Alex Jones and David Ray Griffin join me live from Austin, Texas to discuss the latest in the latest 9/11 conspiracy theories, and how the government is using the Patriot Act to spy on us all. Alex Jones is a comedian, actor, and documentary filmmaker. His latest film, "Police State 3" details the details of the New World Order's Total Information Security architecture, and reveals the arrogance of the Homeland Security Agency.
00:01:06.000And they're going to be re-airing that, I've been told, on C-SPAN, a Saturday afternoon, I believe at 2.30 Eastern, 1.30 Central, this Saturday, because of overwhelming requests.
00:01:19.000So, David Ray Griffin, the author of The New Pearl Harbor and the 9-11 Commission Report, Omissions, and we'll be discussing his two books coming up in the middle of the broadcast today.
00:01:33.000In the meantime, there is just so much news to cover.
00:02:10.000Listening microphones to be installed in an entire city to cut down on noise and people being too noisy.
00:02:19.000So now it's not to stop Al-Qaeda, it's to stop people talking too loud.
00:02:23.000And of course, the microphones have key computer software that listen for key words, and listen for decibels, and automatically dial up the police.
00:03:23.000Congress to force agencies to identify video news feeds.
00:03:27.000These hundreds of millions of dollars of fake newscasts.
00:03:30.000Bush says he's not going to follow their order.
00:03:34.000Chicago's putting in these FEMA air raid sirens, but they're also going to be making New World Order announcements, and it's part of the EAS system that takes over all radio and TV stations.
00:03:46.000And they admit this here in this UPI article about what's happening in Chicago.
00:03:51.000Court rules IBM does not have to face Nazi charges.
00:04:36.000We've got two great guests today, thanks to my wonderful producer.
00:04:40.000The websites are Infowars.com, PrisonPlanet.com, PrisonPlanet.tv, and don't forget the great job Mr. Watson's brother is doing at Infowars.net.
00:04:50.000It's all coming up after this quick break, so be sure and stay with us.
00:04:54.000Alex Jones here announcing the release of my new film, Police State 3 Total Enslavement.
00:05:05.000Police State 3 details the architecture, goals, and operations of the New World Order.
00:05:10.000There is a chance to use this disaster for the New World Order.
00:05:17.000The film documents dozens of confirmed cases of government-sponsored terrorism worldwide.
00:05:22.000We rip the Sinister Patriot Act legislation one and two apart piece by piece and reveal the arrogance of what Ashcroft has to say about your liberty.
00:05:31.000Homeland Security, Executive Orders, Force Vaccinations, the new prison economy, the Total Information Society, the Pan American Union, Federal Gun Grabs, Government-run, White Slavery Rings, and much, much more.
00:05:42.000If you want to understand what the new world order really is, then my new two-and-a-half-hour video, Police State 3, is for you.
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00:08:13.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:08:21.000All right, second segment, 8 minutes, 35 seconds into this hour.
00:08:38.000David Ray Griffin, the professor, who was on C-SPAN last weekend, exposing government involvement in 9-11, will be joining us in the middle of the next hour.
00:08:48.000We also have Tom Laughlin, famous actor and documentary filmmaker, who is launching his own campaign to expose the NWO, will be joining us, scheduled to, here in about 30 minutes.
00:09:03.000I'm going to open the broadcast up with the real origins of the 9-11 Truth Movement.
00:09:08.000Then I will get into entire towns to have every home listened to by its own government-controlled microphone.
00:09:16.000Then I'll get into Cisco with embedded chips in their employees' clothing, tracking everything they do, everywhere they go.
00:09:26.000The murder of Mrs. Schnellgrove, Boston's had to pay out five plus million because the cop blew the young lady's head off.
00:09:32.000The fight over the Patriot Act is now coming to a head.
00:09:36.000There is so much coming up, so stay with us.
00:09:38.000But I was pleasantly surprised this morning, I guess you posted it last night,
00:09:44.000to read Paul Watson's analysis of who really founded the 9-11 truth movement and it's important to know that we're not tooting our horns that it is very important in history with any historical movement to have accurate history and to know who truly founded a movement because others
00:10:13.000can try to claim that they founded it and then you assert the moral authority as being founders to then claim that they control a movement.
00:10:24.000I have never said that I control the 9-11 truth movement.
00:10:28.000I have never attacked people's individual views on it who believe the government was involved or believe the government had prior knowledge.
00:10:36.000Though there is a wide spectrum of thought on exactly how the globalists carried the attacks out, we know they're guilty.
00:10:44.000The analogy I've used is the police pull over a murderer who's got skin under his fingernails and blood on his shirt and a scratch across his face and they open up the trunk and there's a dead woman in the back that he's raped and murdered.
00:11:01.000Now, he'll never admit to killing her, but we have witnesses that saw him drive into the woods, we have witnesses that heard screams, we have witnesses that
00:11:13.000uh... have told us that he said he was going to kill her while he even has a conviction for raping and killing another woman and so as police officers as detectives we may sit around in the water cooler room drinking coffee arguing about how we should carry out the prosecution what evidence we should bring forward to the DA and did he stab her before he raped her?
00:11:39.000details like that because he won't talk He won't give us the absolute final details.
00:13:06.000No, instead, Johnny Come Lately's and others have come along.
00:13:11.000They have claimed that they are the founders of the 9-11 Prift Movement and they have declared People authority, basically, to speak ex cathedra from the throne, literally, and tell us that they decide, and they arbitrate, and they tell us what can be debated, and what can be discussed, and what can be said.
00:13:33.000And then, three years after I break news, three and a half years after I break stories, they then come out, and come out with the news, even years after the Associated Press has reported it, And say that they broke it, and then even attack me and say that it's their story!
00:13:56.000And that's why a few months ago, I mentioned on air, that if you really got to have a founder, if you want to know who the founder of the 9-11 Truth Movement is, it's Alex Jones!
00:14:14.000I mean, it'd be like if I was there at the Continental Congress, and I was involved in writing something up, and then somebody came along 20 years later and said, no, no, no, I was there and I wrote it up, when it wasn't true!
00:14:33.000Because I'm saying everybody should be able to debate this, and have discussions about this, and no one group is totally right.
00:14:39.000All of us together can defeat the New World Order.
00:14:42.000Well, Paul Watson has heard me talk about this, and so he decided to write up an article about it.
00:14:46.000Again, I was pleasantly surprised to see it posted this morning.
00:14:48.000The Real Origins of the 9-11 Truth Movement.
00:14:52.000Four years ago, in May of 2001, I watched a British Channel 4 documentary about Alex Jones' infiltration into Bohemian Grove.
00:15:00.000At first glance, the show seemed to be a hit piece aimed at discrediting Alex and his work, but I wanted to make sure, so I visited Alex's website and started listening to his radio show.
00:15:11.000Alex was gripped with anguish and apprehension.
00:15:14.000He was talking about how the government were about to carry out an act of terrorism to bolster the construction of a police state and a New World Order.
00:15:22.000Alex dubbed his campaign, Expose the Government Terrorist, and urged his listeners to call the White House and tell them to call off the operation.
00:15:31.000He gave out White House switchboard numbers on his radio and television show on a daily basis.
00:15:39.000On his television show, Alex elaborated on the fact that the globalists were about to use their asset of some of Bin Laden to attack New York.
00:15:56.000When Bin Laden attacks, give up your rights.
00:15:59.000This was an increasingly replayed mantra from the controlled media.
00:16:06.000You can click on a link and watch where I talk about it on the TV show.
00:16:12.000I watched all this develop before I even spoke to Alex or started my own website.
00:16:18.000On the day of the attack Alex called in the Derry Brownfield Show which was being broadcast on GCN before Alex's own show came on the air.
00:16:27.000Alex was adamant the government was behind the attack.
00:16:30.000They had been conditioned The public before the attack, and they had the most to gain from carrying out the attack.
00:16:39.000While others were squabbling over issues of prior knowledge, Alex was firm in pointing the finger directly at the criminals inside the military-industrial complex for being intimately involved in 9-11.
00:17:10.000In the days and weeks following 9-11, Alex was the first to draw attention to the crucial testimony of people like David Shippers and Greg Pallas, respectable figures blowing the whistle on government connections and protection of the terrorist.
00:17:22.000Greg Pallas thanked Alex for being the only radio host, we have a link to his public release that I never asked for, Greg Powell's thanked Alex for being the only radio host to pay attention to W199I, a leaked document concerning FBI protection of groups linked to Al-Qaeda.
00:17:40.000In mid to late 2004, several prominent, self-proclaimed 9-11 ringleaders started Talking about the fact that war games were used as a cover for the operational execution of the 9-11 attack.
00:17:52.000Alex was talking about this two years beforehand in his film, The Masters of Terror.
00:17:56.000We have a link to that, and again, an April 2004 television show, a clip of which can be viewed here.
00:18:03.000I point out these examples not to lionize Alex Jones and some kind of messiah, but in response to claims of many researchers that they are the grandfather of the 9-11 truth movement, or words to that effect.
00:18:15.000It is disturbing to note that in many instances these same researchers have been seen to push obvious frauds like the peak oil theory.
00:18:26.000At least three years ago Alex warned people that the establishment would allow the truth about 9-11 to get out simply because it was too big a monster to hide.
00:18:34.000Alex pointed out, however, that the establishment would spin the issue to make people believe that the evil right-wing American Imperials were behind the terrorism, and so the only solution would be a left-wing world government to counter them.
00:18:47.000So you would be forced to accept a false choice between right and left, a right-wing world government and a left-wing world government.
00:18:54.000Many prominent 9-11 researchers, either unwittingly or deliberately, have been promulgating this dangerous notion, stating that, for example, we need a global democracy to defeat the evil right-wing neocons.
00:19:08.000The fact that these individuals have been labeled the godfathers of the 9-11 movement is therefore a worrying development.
00:19:15.000This has given them the credibility required to create a 9-11 orthodoxy and marginalize anyone who discusses 9-11 issues they feel shouldn't be circulated.
00:19:25.000We vehemently disagree with and are highly suspicious of people who claim to be Who claim to be the bellwether 9-11 authority figures, especially when people like Alex Jones and others were way ahead of them on the curve on 9-11.
00:19:41.000The examples presented in this article underscore our conviction on the matter.
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00:23:48.000dot com slash radio today that is discount watch store dot com slash radio or call so free 866-371-2330 that's 866-371-2330 crashing through the lies and disinformation it's alex jones only on the gcn radio network and again folks it isn't that i want credit
00:24:15.000Whenever the listeners call in and say, oh Alex, you're doing such a great job, oh Alex, you're so wonderful, I say, look, I'm just an average person fighting for my family's future.
00:24:25.000If my family's going to be safe and happy and have a future, I've got to stand up against this tyranny.
00:24:34.000I do have an understanding of the New World Order that is not that plentiful on what you'd call the Truth Movement, or the Freedom Movement, or the Patriot Movement, or the Truth-Seeking Movement.
00:24:48.000And perhaps it's because I literally... I did an 18-hour day again yesterday.
00:24:53.000I did a total of... I said I was going to do eight hours.
00:24:55.000I ended up doing nine and a half hours of broadcast yesterday.
00:25:01.000On all these different talk show interviews and my own broadcast.
00:25:06.000And I do that because I realize how serious this is.
00:25:08.000I know the globalists are kidnapping children and women right now and flying them to slave brothels.
00:25:13.000I know they're putting cancer viruses in vaccines right now.
00:25:18.000And When I get up here and tell you what they're going to do with the Patriot Act three years before they do it, when I tell you how they'll try to pass the national ID card and they do it, when I tell you how they're going to push the microchip, the implantable chip, it's because I understand them.
00:25:32.000It's like, you know, your grandpa who's been watching football for 50 years and he knows what play they're going to call before they call it.
00:25:39.000You know those type of football fans who you're amazed by.
00:27:51.000And this is the reality of what we face.
00:27:59.000Then it's very sad to watch individuals come out of the woodwork who try to limit the scope of the 9-11 investigation and to watch them declare themselves the grandfathers and godfathers and fathers.
00:28:56.000But I didn't realize, I didn't think about it, how important it is to be able to claim that.
00:29:01.000Because then they claim almost, as I said, papal authority.
00:29:06.000It's the same analogy that, you know, I have this position, and I'm the one that first broke this, and so I'm the one that tells you who you can believe and who you can listen to.
00:29:41.000You know, it'd be like if I was the first person to fly across the Atlantic Ocean in a one-engine plane and then somebody else took credit for it.
00:29:51.000We're on the march, the Empire's on the run.
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00:33:13.000Famous actor and documentary filmmaker Tom Laughlin will be joining us for 30 minutes of the next hour.
00:33:19.000He's getting involved in a movement against the NWO and making a new documentary, a new film about it.
00:33:26.000And then 30 minutes into the next hour, for a full hour, we're going to have David Ray Griffin, the professor who's been exposed to government prior knowledge and involvement in 9-11, joining us as well.
00:33:36.000Another great 9-11 researcher, who isn't involved in backstabbing and attacking other researchers, who's just involved in getting the truth out, will be joining us.
00:33:46.000We hold up the real researchers, the people that care, the people that are taking action, and he'll be joining us coming up as well.
00:36:23.000You can even go to the Alex Jones section for my bio on InfoWars.com, and in there, one of the articles that's listed is an article out of the Washington Post, and they got me in there!
00:36:33.000Alex Jones thinks the government was involved as a pretext to invade countries!
00:36:38.000Alex Jones thinks the government was in control!
00:37:45.000Now it's our job to give them the details.
00:37:48.000So again, I ask you to go to PrisonPlanet.com and get this article, The Real Origins of the 9-11 Truth Movement, and to email it out to everybody.
00:37:59.000And there were other people, by the way, that were focusing on government-sponsored terror.
00:38:03.000And that we're warning people what really happened was, Jeff Rents was, uh... Oh, there's so many that we could call the founding fathers and mothers of exposing government-sponsored terrorism, but I was obsessed with it.
00:40:04.000I was wondering, you didn't mention Ruby Ridge.
00:40:08.000I think that's despicable what happened, that Agent Horiuchi fired through the building and killed, didn't know who he was shooting at, just fired through the building.
00:40:17.000Actually, in his testimony, he wanted to shoot the corner at a couple hundred yards, and Mickey Weaver was on the porch with a baby in her arms that was breastfeeding and he blew her head off and chunks of her skull went into the baby.
00:40:31.000Oh, I understood she was in the house and he fired through the wall.
00:40:35.000No, she was out the front door and he fired through the glass on the door.
00:40:40.000So, what's the solution to this junta we have in Washington?
00:41:12.000I mean, this is outrageous, what's going on and what we're doing.
00:41:15.000I talk to people about this social security thing.
00:41:18.000People are concerned about it, and what we need to do is go after these congressmen Well, it's like a gambler, and they're the casino.
00:41:35.000They set up a system, get us hooked on it, gotta have it, because now they control the economy.
00:41:41.000They set it up so we're dependent, where you can't get the good jobs in many cases, and even people who've worked and paid in their whole lives, they're saying, okay, we spent all the money in it, and so now we've got to give it over to the corporations, who I don't trust either, it's all the same group!
00:41:55.000Well, and it's not we the corporations, it's supposed to be we the people.
00:43:43.000It's so incredible that these people are here operating in our country and giving advice to our own intelligence agency against their own citizens.
00:43:54.000They have been taken over by foreigners.
00:43:56.000What I wanted to ask you about, and we've talked about this before, about the minions on these talk shows, like Mr. O'Reilly.
00:44:07.000It's just unbelievable to me that they all have this same story about this 5 year old that they've handcuffed.
00:45:59.000I just wanted to tell you this other thing about, they took 400 children up in New York City, these foster children, and they put them into an HIV study without notifying their parents, not even notifying their foster parents.
00:46:16.000With a very dangerous experimental chemical that killed some of them, thanks for the call.
00:46:22.000And again, that's what you hear about in our media.
00:46:25.000If you read the BBC and you read a few of the local New York papers, it never makes it out nationally, it's over 400.
00:47:47.000It starts blowing in Saudi Arabia, moves across Iran, Afghanistan, And blows and this thick red dust gets on our vehicles and they say on the news that it's from Mongolia and from Afghanistan.
00:48:02.000The Earth's air recycles every 48 hours.
00:48:51.000What type of elite do we have who knowingly knows this is bad and uses it twice in Iraq, once in Serbia, although they've had a quadrupling of deformities there, in Afghanistan and in ten sites in the United States.
00:50:11.000And billions and billions until it's non-radioactive.
00:50:15.000Not to mention the heavy metal effects of this.
00:50:17.000This is blowing over here, it's not just over there.
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00:54:10.000All right, Scott running the show just went to the big federal regulatory agency on uranium plutonium, and I stand corrected.
00:54:25.000The radioactive half-life is four and a half billion years on depleted Uranium.
00:54:31.000Four and a half billion, but I know from memory, I've had Dr.
00:54:35.000Rocky and others on who wrote the book on it and they were saying hundreds of millions of years ago it was 400 something million until it begins to lose some of its full power effect but does it matter what I mean it was a million it'd be bad enough it was a thousand it'd be bad enough four and a half billion so as usual it's much worse than I said going from memory I believe it loses all of its radioactive properties I believe it's over 40 billion years.
00:55:03.000But the half-life, before it starts degrading at all, is four and a half billion.
00:55:11.000So, again, if it was a thousand or four and a half billion, it really doesn't matter, but it is four and a half billion, according to official government numbers.
00:55:20.000I'm not really an expert on these things.
00:56:00.000The Pentagon has a list of it, of ammunition.
00:56:04.000And there's been a few cases where the Iraqis are able to steal a tank round and they pry it out and take it and mold it into their own small arms rounds because they can take the big old, I don't know, two foot long Uranium rod out of the Abrams shell.
00:56:22.000They can make a bunch of bullets out of it and just a little bitty 50 cal bullet shoots right through an Abrams.
00:56:54.000And of course, they're just puppets, but you hear about Senator Rockefeller, West Virginia, you hear about Prince Philip, you know, they're all into health and these special cleansings, and maybe they've got the cure to all this, so they don't care.
00:57:07.000And there are many that just don't care about their own families.
00:57:13.000You've got to get your mind around who these people are!
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00:59:14.000All right, second hour on this live Wednesday, the fourth day of May 2005 edition.
00:59:28.000I'm Alex Jones, David Ray Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor.
00:59:33.000He's going to be joining us coming up in about 30 minutes, and of course they're going to be re-airing the presentation he gave on C-SPAN last Saturday, again this Saturday at 2.30 Eastern on Book TV on C-SPAN, C-SPAN I guess three For those that just joined us, but that's coming up.
00:59:56.000A lot of important police, state, and economic news we'll be covering.
01:00:01.000But I heard about Tom Laughlin, and I was aware of some of his important feature films that he made back in the seventies, distributed by Fox and Warner Brothers, you name it.
01:00:16.000I'm sure you've heard of the Billy Jack trilogy.
01:00:19.000He's making a new one, but it's documentary style.
01:00:22.000He's also made quite a few other award-winning documentaries.
01:00:24.000He's considered one of the founding fathers of, really, the modern independent film movement in this country.
01:00:32.000And he's now launching, via his website, an operation to expose the The world government fascist agenda being set up by the neocons right now.
01:01:06.000It's going to break ground that no one has ever done before in a film.
01:01:09.000It's going to be a full length Billy Jack feature film.
01:01:12.000With six controversial themes, the political one is so inflammatory, but it's the least controversial, and four love stories, but it's going to combine, as no film has ever done before, it's going to combine the full-length feature picture with documentary footage, with real cinema verite, and computer graphics, like you see Forrest Gump talking with John Kennedy,
01:01:42.000Well, you're going to see Billy Jack taking Bush head on in the computer graphics.
01:01:46.000It's unlike any film ever done, but it's the sequel that people have been, the Billy Jack fans at least, have been waiting for.
01:02:11.000But this country is plunging in the most dangerous way it has ever done in our short history.
01:02:18.000I happen, you don't know this Alex, but I'm bragging to you, I happen to have be one of the real scholars of the foundation of this country, the Constitution and everything about it.
01:02:29.000I'm probably the only non-professional scholar who's ever lectured on Jefferson under the dome in Virginia.
01:02:36.000And Jefferson's motto, "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Well, these people have taken over this government in a way, if you know anything about fascism, I'm sure you do, there are several things they do.
01:02:56.000Step one is you crush all opposition, all criticism, all dissent.
01:03:00.000Not only from without, but from in your own party.
01:03:04.000Number two, you then take control of all the key seats of government with your friends.
01:03:18.000We've got a break sir, a long segment coming up.
01:03:20.000I want to recap all this and get into your new film.
01:03:24.000That's doing some revolutionary things with the way it's going to be produced.
01:03:27.000And then I want to talk about 9-11 with you.
01:03:30.000And I also want to Dissect what fascism is.
01:03:35.000I don't really consider this fascism, I consider it neo-mercantilism, which is a more proper term to describe the system we're facing, but fascism's a good enough label.
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01:07:00.000We've been given false terms, a false paradigm.
01:07:04.000It's not about left or right, it's about right and wrong.
01:07:07.000And the corporate owners of this world, of the 100 biggest economies, 45 of them are corporations, not governments, the corporate owners of our President, and the Democratic Party as well, are turning America into a textbook fascist police state, and using globalism, which is really just modern mercantilism, to control the nations of the world, bringing us into this corrupt world empire.
01:07:33.000And I was on Tom Laughlin's great website.
01:07:36.000He, of course, is an award-winning actor and writer and director.
01:07:42.000A new Billy Jack movie coming out that's going to be revolutionary, and we'll talk about that some with him.
01:07:48.000And as he was saying in the last segment, he's one of the few people that has, who wasn't, quote, one of the establishment scholars to be lecturing under the Jeffersonian Institution's dome.
01:07:59.000And it's good to have him on with us, and he wanted to go through the different characteristics of fascism.
01:08:06.000But before we go any further, for those who just joined us and who may not know who you are, most people probably do, tell us a little bit about yourself and again, why you're getting involved and what you think about what's currently happening in this country, sir.
01:08:20.000Oh, what's happening is terrifying and that's why we're getting involved.
01:08:23.000You know, my wife and I, Dolores Taylor, who is the co-star of the Billy Jack films, and we came out and made a film to try to change things, Billy Jack, and then we made several other Billy Jacks, including we redid Mr. Smith Goes to Washington to take on the nuclear industry.
01:08:41.000But now what has happened now is so beyond anything, it's the most terrifying time in American history.
01:08:50.000What has not come out, and I'm sure your show has, but what no one else knows, is that before Bush was even sworn in as president, he not only had the plan, before he was even sworn in, before 9-11, he not only had the plan to invade Iraq, but he had a detailed plan of how to occupy it as a permanent he not only had the plan to invade Iraq, but he had Fourteen military bases permanent.
01:09:12.000Now, why do you need those if you're going to go in and get people out?
01:09:16.000He was going to build the largest, in this building, the largest embassy, 6,000 people in the world.
01:09:22.000This was always about oil from the beginning.
01:09:25.000What no one knows, and very few people know, is before the war, America and Britain were shut out of the oil fields.
01:09:33.000China had the Mansour Field, Russia had the Ramallah Field, France had the largest ones, the Narbonne, Omar, etc.
01:09:45.000And, unknown reserves of oil were found in Iraq, 250 billion barrels, that make it the largest and richest oil nation in the world, far surpassing Saudi Arabia, who hasn't found a new oil field since the 1970s.
01:10:00.000So what we did, what he did, was invade it as an oil colony.
01:10:05.000And he invaded it for that, so to this day, You know, 1,500 American, beautiful American, these are mothers and fathers.
01:10:16.000They've died or been terminally mutilated for haliburton oil.
01:10:21.000Well, 300 to 500,000 Iraqis have been mutilated for a lie!
01:10:27.000And the lie they told us, which now everyone knows was a lie, they knew was a lie back at the beginning.
01:10:34.000Let me just interject something here, Tom.
01:10:36.000People like to focus on Richard Clark and say, oh, sour grapes, or on the Treasury Secretary O'Neill, but Dick Cheney in the PNAC document, Rebuilding America's Defenses, published by him September 20th, 2000, says Saddam is not a threat.
01:10:54.000But, claiming he has weapons of mass destruction is a good pretext to invade and use Iraq as a military base to then invade Iran and Syria and set up hegemony.
01:11:06.000So, it's... But the media ignores that when we have his... And then he said we need a helpful Pearl Harbor style attack.
01:11:19.000Go back to 1972 when Cheney and Wolfowitz Did, you know, what we now call the Bush Doctrine for Bush Senior, which was to dominate and control the world.
01:11:29.000It's all spelled out, the most fascist, imperialistic document in American history.
01:11:33.000Well, that doesn't mean... The fact is, the day after 9-11 happened, Rumsfeld called in everybody, all 15 intelligence agencies and said, he wants proof that Hussein was 9-11, Al Qaeda, WMD, nuclear, go get me the proof.
01:11:48.000After four months of hearing, every single agency came back and told him there was absolutely no connection.
01:11:59.000What Rumsfeld said was, that's not good enough, give us your own raw data and we'll come up with our own conclusion.
01:12:06.000He then formed a secret intelligence unit inside the Pentagon.
01:12:10.000And they made up all what they are still referring to as faulty intelligence.
01:12:14.000And they didn't want to put their name on it, so they took a graduate student's article written 12 years before, and then claimed that MI6 gave it to them.
01:12:24.000Ray McGovern, a veteran of 27 years CIA.
01:12:29.000We used to be on George Bush Senior's briefing committee, etc.
01:12:33.000Robert Baer and others, all these people told the truth.
01:12:36.000We didn't air it here, we aired it on BBC, but they all said there was no connection.
01:12:41.000Colleen Rowley, a terror investigation for the FBI, said not only isn't there, but if you invade them, you will create a insurgency you've never had.
01:12:50.000Alex, I don't mean to use words that are nasty, but I can use bull spit.
01:13:26.000We are seen as fascist occupants, which we are!
01:13:29.000We invaded it for the oil, made up all this other nonsense, and now we turn around and say there exists a democracy, which is really a Vichy puppet government, and Chalabi, you know who Chalabi went to school with in the United States?
01:13:51.000So the point is, all of these lies to get all these beautiful American and hundreds of thousands of beautiful Iraqi innocent civilians and children blood flowing.
01:14:03.000So our number one crusade of this movie is to end the war.
01:14:07.000We're going to end the war and the way we're going to do it, Alex, will thrill your viewers.
01:14:12.000We're going to hold an open televised public hearing to impeach Bush and Cheney, not government, not... We sat there and said, why is it only the government officials hold these hearings?
01:14:24.000I mean, why don't the people hold their own hearings?
01:14:27.000So this is going to be, the panel is going to be people who are victims of the war, eleven people, and we're going to hold a hearing to see and give all this stuff, all the truth about why we're there and why these people are dying for Halliburton Oil.
01:14:46.000Cheney got 33 million dollars from Halliburton Lawyer as a so-called bonus, and since then, by the way, since then he's done nothing but deliver in spades for Halliburton, and as you know, in dozens of ways.
01:15:33.000I do want to talk about when your film's going to come out and What it's going to be covering, but if I could, just first, because you're a good person, obviously, you're active, you're involved, I'd like to perhaps, because I'm sure you're very informed and you sound very intelligent, I'd like to give you just my little piece of knowledge to hopefully help you a little bit.
01:16:09.000And the globalists have given us a false, left-right choice of, oh, the UN's going to save us from the evil Anglo-American establishment.
01:16:18.000But what I'm telling you is, is that when you go to the higher levels, it's all owned by the same people, and they're playing good cop, bad cop across the Atlantic.
01:16:29.000So many people who are out there, who are speaking about these issues, Tom, never are putting the pieces together.
01:16:37.000And what I liked about your website is you point out how the Democrats are bought and paid for as well.
01:16:45.000I know everything that you're saying, and you're absolutely right.
01:16:48.000And the multinational oligarchy is one of the three fascist groups that control Bush and Cheney.
01:16:55.000The others are the idealists, the Wolfowitz Group, and the other are the really fascist, right-wing evangelicals.
01:17:03.000Now, I also happen to have a huge history in Christianity, and the way we're attacking them, they have perverted and distorted the Gospels of Christ from Jesus' real teachings, and we're going to take them on and show people these are not Christian at all!
01:17:30.000You've got a radio show and you have a listening audience that is powerful and very effective, but it's a small group.
01:17:37.000Compared to when a film goes out there and becomes an international monument, that's a megaphone that somebody has to do to get all of the stuff you know, your viewers know, all of us know, to get that out into the world.
01:17:52.000For the mainstream people who don't give a damn about politics.
01:17:55.000Who never watch Meet the Press on Sunday morning.
01:18:05.000Uh, you know, taking, making a major feature picture and giving all of the voice, giving voice to you and all of the people who know all this stuff.
01:18:15.000Otherwise, you're just going to be on C-SPAN and some talk show radios and write a book.
01:18:21.000But the main public is going to remain untouched.
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01:23:25.000We were just ranting and raving to each other during the four-minute break about vaccines and the mercury and how they appoint these whitewash commissions and about just all of it.
01:23:43.000Here in the last few minutes we've got, sir, can you talk more about your film, more about these citizens' trials to get attention, these public trials to expose the whitewash, and can you also get a little bit into if you think we can bring these criminals down?
01:24:00.000The quick thing is in the Billy Jack film, in the political part of it, We take on the corruption of, we show in a way the public, even your audience has, but even other than that, they don't know what really has gone on behind the scenes to create this war and the lying of these people and the fascist destruction.
01:24:17.000So we give you that information in a way.
01:24:20.000Quickly, just quick, did you know that we sent Hussein into Kuwait?
01:24:24.000We give you the hard evidence, the detailed evidence by three of the people who were involved.
01:24:32.000All of the stuff we've been told is such a lie, and look at the beautiful people that are being murdered every day, the American soldiers who believe in these guys!
01:24:40.000So the film shows this beautiful exit plan, and let me give it to you, Alex, it's very simple.
01:24:46.000Once you understand that the whole reason we are in Iraq is for a private oil colony for Halliburton and Friends Oil, all you have to do to end our involvement there, and end it in 90 days, Is give back the oil to the French, the Chinese, and the Russians who we stole it from.
01:25:03.000Give it to the Iraqis, the least of them.
01:25:12.000All we have to do is give back the oil.
01:25:14.000But of course, Bush is never going to do that.
01:25:16.000So the film goes ahead to impeach him.
01:25:17.000And the way we impeach him, we don't, we're not Congress.
01:25:20.000They say, why don't we just have a panel of the victims of the war who are an 11 person panel who conduct Just like an investigation, only it's open and on television, and we test and we show how this has all been about oil, how the lies to get us in there are horrendous, how the lies keeping us there are even more horrendous, and we then
01:25:44.000The people in the movie just, you know, once they understand what really is going on, which they can't get now through the corporate-owned media, boy, they pour into the streets by the tens of millions.
01:26:09.000He had to go out and do a grassroots movement.
01:26:11.000So our trial, our open trial, and I begged your listeners to go to our website.
01:26:17.000BillyJack.com and see how it works because once people understand how they can have their own hearings, you don't have to have Congress hold a hearing.
01:26:26.000You don't have to... The people can hold their own.
01:26:29.000On Vioxx, on all of these issues to them, it can be a no political weapon people can use and the movie is going to show you how to do that.
01:26:37.000But before that, we're going to do our own in September On impeaching Bush and Cheney is the only way to end this war and stop the hemorrhaging of these beautiful... And make it a big production and get the local media out there and if we have hundreds of these across the country it could push it over the edge.
01:26:55.000We're going to build the same grassroots movement to impeach Bush and Cheney.
01:27:00.000As Barr did back then when he finally brought so much pressure, the Republicans who didn't want to impeach him did the impeachment inquiry.
01:27:15.000What do you do when Bush nukes a city or releases smallpox and blames it on enemies and says, you guys held me back from protecting you, it's your fault?
01:27:27.000By the way, one of the things we have in here is you tell me why it's moral for us to go with our Congress, the UN, whatever, and say, let's invade a country.
01:27:37.000Why isn't it more moral to say, go to the Senate, get approval, and declare, say, Hussein a war criminal.
01:27:44.000And we go after him instead of invade the country and kill innocent people.
01:27:47.000Because then they wouldn't get the oil and have the weapon sales and use Iraq as a launch base against Iran and Syria.
01:27:53.000And by the way, I want to leave you with this, Alex.
01:27:55.000You know why these oil prices are so high, the gas prices?
01:27:58.000In that occupation plan before he was even sworn in, Bush had one in his first term.
01:28:05.000They would make sure he made OPEC, because he now owned, he is OPEC.
01:28:08.000He controlled OPEC that they could never go below $40 a barrel, and in his second term, if he won it, they were going to push it to $60,000.
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01:32:14.000so four times a day you can hear the transmission against tyranny it's not about left or right it's about right and wrong and we are seeing the greatest manifestation of tyranny the world has ever seen right now And I mean it when I say it.
01:32:28.000If the neocons have their way, it's going to dwarf Hitler and Stalin.
01:32:32.000We're about to go to an amazing author, researcher.
01:32:37.000It's going to be re-aired again this weekend.
01:32:39.000David Ray Griffin about his two powerful books.
01:32:41.000We'll have him for a full hour, hopefully even longer if he can spare us so we can take some calls.
01:32:47.000We got cut short in that last segment with Tom Laughlin, who of course is, in his own right, a legendary independent filmmaker, the highest grossing independent film ever.
01:32:55.000Now he's going to make a new Billy Jack film, but it's going to be a huge trial, basically, exposing Lord Bush.
01:33:01.000During the break we were talking, when I was about to say farewell, and you said that people don't know that we can win, people don't know that we can take action.
01:33:09.000In 60 seconds, please tell the listeners what you told me, because it's so true.
01:33:33.000We then presented the evidence you can see on our website, and we're going to take these full-page ads giving, and once people saw these evidence, 221 of them changed their minds and demanded Bush and Cheney be impeached now.
01:33:46.000Remember, Clinton was impeached only because of a major grassroots movement that forced the Republican Senate, who didn't want to touch that issue.
01:34:19.000I got a chance to talk to him during the breaks.
01:34:21.000He knows what he's talking about, too.
01:34:23.000Okay, now joining us is David Ray Griffin.
01:34:27.000He's a professor and written some amazing books, and obviously a lot of you got a chance to see him on C-SPAN.
01:34:34.000And I think that he'd probably do a better job than I can of giving us a thumbnail sketch of who David Ray Griffin is, for those that don't know.
01:34:43.000Mr. Griffin, thanks for coming on with us.
01:35:40.000The new book is called The 9-11 Commission Report, Omissions and Distortions, and that's kind of a mild Subtitle, I could have just called it a 567 page lie, because when you get into it, it's just incredible the things they omit.
01:36:03.000And self-contradictory, and most of all, contradicts all sorts of other facts, including what NORAD had been telling us for almost three years.
01:36:13.000Now, again, you went over this on C-SPAN last weekend.
01:36:16.000I've been told that your hour talk and 30 minutes of questions is going to be re-aired this Saturday?
01:36:22.000It'll be this Saturday at 2.30 Eastern Time.
01:36:27.000All right, David, I agree with everything you were saying in what I think was a kindly presentation.
01:36:33.000You could have been a lot more vicious, but you very, in a very calm way, presented the three different views of 9-11.
01:36:39.000And I got from what you were saying in your books that, I mean, clearly you're resting, and I want to put words in your mouth, leaning towards the third.
01:36:50.000But something, I want to cover this first off, you know, out of the gates here.
01:36:55.000The first thing you covered, Uh, at the end of your major presentation about ways to deal with this was a world democracy.
01:37:05.000And I've seen UN documents and globalist documents going back ten years where they say the people are going to wake up to the to the Anglo-American establishment, which is now run by the neocons, England and the US, this power axis, and so we've got to give them a choice.
01:37:20.000We'll give them a UN, quote, liberal choice, but then I look at who owns and controls the UN and the agencies that fund it and control it.
01:37:31.000You didn't elaborate on that, but I want to get your exact view on that so I understand it.
01:37:37.000Yeah, well, my view is I'm not talking about just strengthening the UN.
01:37:45.000And I should say, you know, my focus now is on 9-11 and the American Empire and trying to get the truth out about these things.
01:37:55.000The question of what's the alternative is a very important question and that's what I'm going to address in my future books.
01:38:02.000Let me just say very briefly what I have in mind is, you know, we're all in favor of democracy.
01:38:09.000But we mean real democracy, not plutocracy.
01:38:12.000So we mean a real democracy where money doesn't determine the votes, but just the people's basic values and wishes.
01:38:22.000So the idea of global democracy is simply that if democracy is the right form of government for a nation, why shouldn't it be the right form of order for the world as a whole, so that the people of the world can start directing their own affairs and taking care of their planet rather than having uh... one nation dictating or at most seven nations dictating the global economy.
01:38:44.000Yeah, the G7, G8, but let's elaborate on that for a second then we'll get into 9-11 because that's why you're here but in your talk you crowned it with what we're now discussing so we need to kind of extrapolate here and and and and to get to the bottom of it if you're talking about an alliance of free nation states
01:39:02.000Through mutual treaties together, standing up against, of the 100 biggest economies, 45 of them are corporations as you know, if you're talking about the people banding together against this powerful power block, then I agree with you.
01:39:16.000But if it's some fake left maneuver through the UN, that's going to be a false flag, a false savior, good cop, bad cop operation.
01:39:26.000And I've read the Globalist saying that's part of their plan, David.
01:39:30.000And so, that's what I'm getting at here.
01:39:32.000Well, you know, there are different globalists, and there's the so-called globalization from above, which is what you're rightly worried about.
01:39:42.000And then there's what many people call globalization from below, which is really what democracy would be.
01:39:50.000But I say, you know, these are very complex issues, which my book on this is going to be a very long and complex book in which I Do lay out what I hold, but most basically, I think what we need now is to see that we need to move to a democratic world.
01:40:10.000And then there'll be all sorts of debates about what's the proper, what's the best means.
01:40:15.000But I agree with the Founding Fathers.
01:40:17.000I'm not for a pure democracy because 51% could say all blacks are slaves.
01:40:22.000I'm for a republic system where you have a Bill of Rights and you look at Article 30 and 31 of the UN Charter, it erases the previous 29 rights that sound wonderful.
01:40:33.000So that's, that's what I'm talking about being a threat.
01:40:36.000Well, and that's absolutely essential, and I would think we would have, it would have to be what we would call a modified democracy, that is, the kind that we have, and I would advocate that we would have a global bill of rights and responsibilities, and in my C-SPAN lecture I was emphasizing the fact that beneath all the differences of the various religions and cultural traditions,
01:41:05.000There is a set of basic universal human values that we all do share and that they're diametrically opposed to the The values of the global plutocracy.
01:41:19.000But the globalists are using the media they own to warp our values and literally give us what I would call satanic world values of do-as-thou-will predatory system where we all feed on each other.
01:41:33.000In fact, I have as a theologian, I use the term the demonic to refer to this kind of values that have been dominating us increasingly and the In the world.
01:41:48.000And so, what I would be talking about would be a form of global order that would be diametrically opposed to that kind of globalism that you're rightly opposed to.
01:42:01.000So you're saying this global system, though, wouldn't force, quote, a rogue nation to join it?
01:42:06.000Well, I'd say there are all sorts of difficult questions.
01:42:11.000Well, I have not even finished my book on this.
01:42:15.000I'll be very glad to come back and talk about it when I've worked out my ideas on it.
01:42:20.000Right now I'm still focusing on 9-11 and the... Would you like me to send you UN and Ex-Im Bank and IMF decade-old plans to give people a false left choice?
01:42:31.000Sure, I'm interested to get all the information I can.
01:42:35.000Alright, well I appreciate you letting me diatribe on that subject.
01:42:38.000It's just that, David, I think you've done a fabulous job exposing 9-11, but if we take that energy I have said from the day of 9-11, of course two months before 9-11, I said they'd use Bin Laden to take the blame, who's their agent, when the military industrial complex attacks the World Trade Center.
01:42:56.000And then day one I went on air and said they did it, and I took all the heat for it, and I've since seen other people rise up and then try to limit the debate, which I know you've never done.
01:43:05.000I commend you for You know, looking at all views, but I did warn people that the truth of 9-11 would be allowed out into Europe and the rest of the world as a way to demonize America, and I want to point out the neocons themselves are nothing but a capo regime for a larger global mafia, and they're letting their minions take all the blame for it.
01:43:33.000Yeah, I'd say there's much going on behind the scenes that the people are not allowed to see, and certainly the mainstream media doesn't do much to give us a glimpse of that.
01:43:45.000Alright, let's get into your presentation in kind of a condensed form, if you would be so kind, sir, of what you did on C-SPAN, because I think it's a good argument, a technique, just with the facts, that I found to be extremely effective and powerful.
01:44:02.000Well, with regard to American Empire, I pointed out that there are two basic ideas anymore.
01:44:09.000There's no longer debate whether there is an American Empire.
01:44:14.000But now it's just, is it benign or not benign?
01:44:19.000And you have, of course, a powerful majority arguing that, of course, we're an empire, but we're the first benign empire in history, most magnanimous.
01:44:31.000Because what we're doing is going out trying to bring freedom and democracy and human rights to the world.
01:44:40.000We just have much more mass media to communicate our message.
01:44:45.000Then I argued that with 9-11 there are four basic views and of course which view you hold will have a great effect on what you think about the American empire.
01:44:56.000The first view of course is the official view that That 19 Muslims out-tricked our trillion-dollar defense system and they were able to bring down three buildings.
01:45:09.000First time in history steel frame high-rise buildings have ever been brought down apart from controlled demolition.
01:45:20.000Second view is that, well, that was right, but what we mean by 9-11 is really the fact the United States used it opportunistically to advance the American Empire.
01:45:35.000The third view is that the official story is more false because we actually the US agencies knew in advance that the attacks were going to occur and deliberately let them occur in order to advance the American Empire and that also includes of course the pretext for passing the Patriot Act and And other domestic policies.
01:46:02.000And then finally, the fourth view is that yes, they did have foreign knowledge, but the main reason they had foreign knowledge is that they actually planned and orchestrated and carried out the events.
01:46:16.000Which view, Mr. Griffin, on the record do you believe is, with all the evidence, which view do you think is probably what happened?
01:46:25.000Well, as I said on the air, There is considerable evidence for the third view, but there is even more evidence, and of course that doesn't contradict the third view evidence, for the fourth view, so that there are just so many things about what happened 9-11.
01:46:43.000It could only be that they ran the whole operation.
01:46:46.000That's right, and for people who haven't heard this before, and of course that wouldn't be many people listening to your show, But other people, they immediately say, oh, that's outrageous, that's impermissible, you're going beyond the bounds of civilized speech, and so on.
01:47:03.000And give all these a priori arguments.
01:47:52.000So, I mean, we can't blame the people for holding these views because insofar as they rely on mainstream media, that's the view they are taught about America and our leaders, and it's just mandatory that we have shows such as yours and many others that give an alternative view, I want to get more into 9-11, but right now I want to bring this up to you.
01:48:22.000I know the globalists did it, I know they executed it, and I know they're arrogant right now because they're going to do it again real soon unless we expose who's behind it, then they lose their motive.
01:48:31.000I think that the next attack is going to be much bigger.
01:48:33.000I don't put it past the globalists, but that made a nuke in this country.
01:48:37.000I don't put it past them to release smallpox.
01:48:39.000I see the same pre-positioning and pre-programming going on in the media right now that I saw before 9-11.
01:48:46.000And I think we're in a race to shift the paradigm and then they may back off.
01:48:54.000Well, I'm afraid you're right that when they need another big surge and as the present regime gets more and more unpopular, the appeal is always to fear and we will protect you.
01:49:07.000So, I'm afraid you're quite likely right that they're at least seriously considering it.
01:49:15.000Whether there's anything that we can do, whether we can inform enough people in time to make them back off, it would be hard to know.
01:49:25.000We're in a race, ladies and gentlemen.
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01:55:41.000Yeah, the subtitle is Omissions and Distortions.
01:55:44.000I was sent a copy, but I didn't bring it to the office today.
01:56:02.000Okay, well, there are several parts of the story that simply cannot be explained apart from it being, at least partly, an inside job.
01:56:17.000One of those, of course, is the collapse of the towers.
01:56:21.000And as your listeners know, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never come down in the history of this universe.
01:56:31.000Solely because of fire or because of fire and the impact of the planes.
01:56:36.000And of course, Building 7 didn't have any plane hit it.
01:56:40.000Furthermore, when you look, you know, people come up with these scenarios of how these buildings might have come down and they allege they were poorly built with weak trusses and all that.
01:57:16.000That's one of the two or three biggest lies.
01:57:19.000As they say, most of the weight was borne by the exterior columns and the The core of their buildings consisted of a hollow steel shaft just filled with elevators and stairwells.
01:57:34.000So they denied the most distinctive thing about those buildings when they were built.
01:59:32.000The towers have at least ten characteristics of controlled demolition.
01:59:39.000That is, where explosives are precisely placed throughout the buildings in order to bring them down in a way that they don't topple over all the buildings around them.
01:59:49.000I mean, if those buildings had come down Some other way, they would have killed, you know, hundreds of thousands of people and destroyed much of lower Manhattan.
02:00:01.000So it was very important that they be brought down straight down as in controlled demolition.
02:00:07.000And anybody who's looked at the websites that have these can see that all three buildings do exactly that.
02:00:13.000There is no other way that such buildings can come down.
02:00:16.000If your building was owned by Larry Silverstein with a double insurance policy, it was totally destroyed.
02:00:21.000But if it wasn't, it got light damage.
02:00:24.000That did seem to be an interesting coincidence, didn't it?
02:00:28.000And then he says that they pulled Building 7, but we're supposed to ignore that.
02:00:32.000Yeah, and then as was revealed on your show, Giuliani says he knew ahead of time that the towers were going to come down.
02:00:43.000How in the world could anybody have known ahead of time, because as I say, that has never happened before.
02:00:49.000There would have been no reason to predict the towers would have come down, and as you stressed on your show, the firemen going up the South Tower You know, we're very calm and thought they had the fire under control.
02:01:02.000There was not a thought in anybody's mind that the towers might collapse.
02:01:06.000We had the initial plane set, the jet fuel burns, catches some low-burning fires, wouldn't even get near melting steel, then it almost completely burned out.
02:01:15.000In the North Tower, people are hanging out the windows, wouldn't melt their flesh, but it'll melt four-foot-around steel-reinforced beams sprayed with asbestos to protect them.
02:01:27.000And even more ridiculous is the story about the South Tower, because, as you know, a good deal of the fuel burned outside and created that enormous fireball that was great for TV effects, but that meant there was very little fuel left to feed the fire inside, and therefore the fire in the South Tower was burning down Even more quickly.
02:01:54.000Well, the firefighters reported two small fires in that building.
02:01:59.000Yeah, and in building, and that's true of building 7, where the pictures that we have from various locations show that there were fires only on the 7th and 12th floors of that massive 47-story building, and they want to tell us that... And the Commission doesn't even mention that building.
02:02:19.000No, uh, the, uh... It's like it's a bug somebody stepped on.
02:02:23.000Yeah, so that's one of the things I have in mind when I say omissions and distortions.
02:02:27.000So these omissions are enormous omissions.
02:02:31.000The fact that they wouldn't even mention the Building 7, uh, collapsed.
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02:06:06.0008 minutes, 25 seconds into this third hour, David Ray Griffin, professor, author, lecturer, joins us, talking about the new Pearl Harbor, And the 9-11 whitewash the Commission engaged in.
02:06:24.000The Commission is appointed by George W. Bush.
02:06:28.000Half the Commission is in business with the Carlisle Group or the Bin Laden's directly.
02:06:32.000The head staffer is a minion of Condoleezza Rice and a chief neocon with connections to the 9-11 perpetrators.
02:06:43.000It's like when Janet Reno appointed John Danforth with two Justice Department aides as a Justice Department investigation to investigate herself on Waco.
02:07:25.000I mean, I never even addressed it in any detail because it was too much to address.
02:07:29.000It was like telling me to, you know, shovel out a million horses' stalls or something.
02:07:34.000It was just an An impenetrable job of ham-fistedness.
02:07:40.000But they do stuff, as he's mentioned in there, as showing diagrams up on their big TV screens for the TV crews of, look, I have this on tape, there were no pillars here, this was all hollow, it was weakly built, and so that's why it fell.
02:07:56.000When these buildings were over-engineered, and we've read the reports by the Muruyama Saki, the designer, Articles he'd written, a major digest on architecture.
02:08:10.000All of this, the chief of construction for the building, who died on 9-11 in the buildings, of course, conveniently, saying it was meant to take multiple crashes from large jetliners.
02:08:25.000But, but, I mean, David Ray Griffin, I mean, I'm glad you brought this up on C-SPAN.
02:08:29.000They just say these pillars don't exist, and these other shows on TV, there's probably been ten of them about, well, why the towers fell.
02:08:37.000They all say that those pillars don't exist.
02:08:43.000Well, they, they, you know, they have to deny their existence, even though, as any book about the World Trade Center, like James Glantz's book, Glantz and Lipton, of the New York Times, points out that when the World Trade Center towers were built that was a very distinctive design and it was very controversial and so there was an enormous amount of discussion about it.
02:09:08.000So now for the what I call the Kane-Zelikow report because that's most important to point out that the report was really the whole commission was run by and the report was finally formulated by Philip Zelikow, who is essentially a member of the Bush administration.
02:09:28.000I mean, it was just as if Dick Cheney had supervised the Commission's report on how well the White House did.
02:09:44.000But that's so important because I use the analogy of the old 78 phonograph players.
02:09:51.000Sometimes the records would collapse, but you always still had that spindle sticking up the middle.
02:09:58.000Well, if the pancake theory about the towers even were plausible, the floors would have collapsed, but you still would have had those 47 spindles, those massive steel columns sticking several hundred feet up into the air.
02:10:15.000Well, I have a five-part series called New York on PBS.
02:10:20.000And an entire two hours of a five-part series is about the World Trade Center.
02:10:27.000And I have film from every angle, and then I brag about how no building had ever been built so strong, and no set of buildings, how huge these were, and it shows these giant pillars in the middle of the building.
02:10:44.000Because if I went to a major university, which we've done, and went to their architecture department, where the building's always been studied, and pull that out, I'm insane!
02:11:05.000So, you know, the right usually complains about revisionist views of history and now they've pulled off the biggest revisionism probably of recent history to deny that.
02:11:16.000Let me give another example of the extreme lies, I mean the audacity of the lies in there.
02:11:23.000Before, this has to do with the flight number 93 in Pennsylvania and the question was it shot down?
02:11:35.000Well, so much evidence suggests it was shot down by our own government, but of course our government has denied it.
02:11:43.000Now, the 9-11 Commission report does not face any of that evidence, even though it's massive.
02:11:48.000They simply ignore it, as if it didn't exist.
02:11:51.000And then they try to get around it by saying, look, Cheney didn't give the shoot-down order until 10 minutes after, and that was four minutes or more Because it's on record he did this.
02:12:03.000Our ambassadors have even told foreign leaders.
02:12:06.000But since they have it on record, they just changed the time.
02:13:34.000If it hadn't have been for the Twin Towers, which were so huge and got, you know, so romantic, Uh, this would have been the really big story.
02:13:44.000And any city in the world where a 47-story building collapsed, that would have been, in a sense, the story of the year.
02:13:52.000Well, the Alfred P. Murrow building was 9 stories.
02:14:31.000But you know, there's so many people who believe it.
02:14:34.000I was on a show the other night and a caller called in and said, you're just absolutely crazy because we know how building number seven collapsed.
02:14:43.000There was all that fuel in there and it got set on fire and caused this massive fire.
02:14:51.000Well, that's one of the stories, and you know, that's what the FEMA report put out, that maybe that fuel caught on fire.
02:15:01.000Maybe it caused the exact metal columns to implode first, and the panels to fall, and then the encryption falls in on itself.
02:15:06.000They ignore the fact that the fires show there was no massive fire in the building.
02:15:11.000But a massive fire wouldn't have done it to begin with!
02:15:15.000We had flames shooting 100 feet in the air, white hot, shooting straight up for a day and a half, and nothing but tiny inch-round ceiling supports melted.
02:15:26.000Right, and the same thing in the Philadelphia fire of 1991.
02:15:30.000And nevertheless, that's all ignored and said, oh, that fuel
02:15:37.000uh... in the basement somehow got pumped upstairs and uh... now they don't say that now they say the buildings were all built improperly sure but uh... my point is that they put out these various stories and uh... so a good deal of the populace believe this or that they don't hear about the revision and i say what i want to go through more of the reasons that we look at the predominant theory on on on Yes, I certainly am.
02:16:02.000because the evidence points towards the globalist doing it.
02:16:19.000You, the foreword to your book, New Pearl Harbor, which I have, and I'll also tell you in C-SPAN.
02:16:26.000We're all very hungry to get information on 911.
02:16:30.000The foreword to your book, New Pearl Harbor, was written by Richard Falk.
02:16:34.000Would you explain to me, sir, that you worked with this man as a team, This man is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations who worked on New World Order projects for the CFR, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and the Rockefeller Foundation.
02:17:11.000Well, my association with Richard Falk and John Cobb, who was actually my professor of theology, those are two of the associations I am most proud of.
02:17:22.000And with regard to Richard... Globalism.
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02:21:42.000All right, we've just got this segment part of the next segment with David Ray Griffin, so we need to hurry because we've got loaded phone lines here and we'll give everybody a chance.
02:21:56.000But I want to cover a few other lies of the 9-11 Whitewash Commission, the Unindependent Commission, the Controlled Commission, the Kangaroo Commission, but...
02:22:21.000uh... united nations group his advocacy and solutions and uh... global bill of rights he is a one-worlder he is a part of the problem he's giving out truth but his solutions are playing right into the agenda okay carol thank you for the call uh... david ray griffin response well as i say i have not uh... published what uh... i'm in favor of and uh... it's uh... with regard to richard you know people pritchard fault
02:22:50.000People get their little slogan that he's part of the CFR.
02:22:54.000Well, his primary act, as he told me, on the CFR, which is not one of the organizations that he spends much time with, was to oppose David Rockefeller.
02:23:05.000Furthermore, if you want to read Richard's views, I would suggest you read his book, On Humane Governance, and also his critique called Predatory Globalization.
02:23:19.000And you will see This is no scary figure.
02:23:22.000This is simply a guy who believes that the present world order is very unfair.
02:23:29.000We have global apartheid, which is worse than apartheid in South Africa, and he's trying to find a way that we might move beyond that to some sort of humane global order.
02:24:18.000Chief owner, but the other one is Frank Lowey, a man from Israel.
02:24:21.000And I want to make a connection here, Alex, when you have, and by the way, the American Free Press has brought to light Corporal Timothy McNiven.
02:24:30.000The man that has on the front page of their, a couple of issues ago, Alex, has brought to light the fact that in 1976 in... Well, I interviewed him.
02:24:40.000They had a war game in Germany concerning exact attacks of 9-11.
02:25:01.000Is the man that released 140, what I say are the Israeli Mossad perpetrators of 9-11, that very day.
02:25:09.000He released them, Alex, and sent them back, deported them back to Israel in the months after 9-11.
02:25:15.000And so when you look at this, and what Colonel Don DeGrand Prix has exposed, that is Mr. Meigs, another Israeli that took over Popular Mechanics last September so that they could fire the editorial staff there, Alex, so they could come on there and attack you, Well, I would like to reinforce his point about popular mechanics.
02:25:35.000when they put that Mr. Chertoff's cousin up on the Art Bell Show based on this phony...
02:26:16.000With regard to Israel's involvement, there are two kinds of 9-11 researchers.
02:26:22.000Those who Who tried to figure out what really happened that day, and that's a worthy enterprise.
02:26:29.000But some of us simply focus on the point that the official story is false, and therefore... Yeah, we know it's the wildest conspiracy theory ever, and I'll say this about Israel.
02:26:40.000I think Israel's corrupt, out of control, does a lot of bad things, but these intelligence agencies are all mixed together.
02:26:46.000There's subgroups in every agency that works together.
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02:31:21.000We do have to make sure that they don't use that energy to suck us off into some phony left-right world government as the answer to the evil American fascista, when in reality it's all controlled by the same people.
02:31:32.000But the process of exposing the globalists is going along quite nicely.
02:31:39.000I like it that there's so many other prominent people out fighting the globalists and exposing their manufactured terror systems because it makes us all safer.
02:31:48.000There's just one or two of us doing this, they'll kill you.
02:31:52.000But when there's thousands of people, and there are now thousands of prominent people, millions of average folks taking action, it's only a matter of time.
02:31:59.000I'm sorry I'm having to go to the calls quickly, but I mean, we could take calls all day and never give David Griffin a chance to talk about anything.
02:32:07.000I'll have to have him back up sometime for two hours if he'll do it.
02:32:12.000Look, I mean, I've been in this since before 9-11.
02:32:14.000I understand their program, and again, I think overall what he's doing is very positive.
02:32:19.000I may not agree with his views on globalization and there being another path that would... Because power always takes over mechanisms of government.
02:32:32.000That's why you have to limit government.
02:32:35.000But we can agree to disagree on that, plus I haven't seen his full views.
02:32:38.000I will review his new book when it comes out on this subject.
02:32:41.000Anything you want to add before we talk to Rick, Jeff, and Mike, and that's all we have time for?
02:32:46.000Yeah, I would like to say that my second book, the 9-11 Commission Report, has proven to be convincing to people that didn't find the first book convincing for one reason or another.
02:33:00.000For example, former CIA member Ray McGovern said that He never had accepted this alternative view of 9-11 until he read my second book and saw The obvious lies and omissions.
02:33:15.000Well, he was the chief CIA advisor to Ronald Reagan.
02:33:20.000Yeah, so he's a very highly credible figure.
02:33:22.000Well, I had him on two years ago, and he said he didn't put it past the government to carry out terror.
02:33:27.000That's right, but he had never endorsed the view, and now he has on a public radio in Wisconsin recently.
02:33:36.000So really what's happening is people in the power structure, and I'm looking at this objectively and coldly, really are starting to have a conscience and really are starting to speak up.
02:33:47.000And so a lot of people shouldn't be so paranoid that, ooh, we can't trust these people because it doesn't help the NWO for all these prominent people to be going public.
02:33:56.000That's right, and there are a lot of Republicans, such as Pat Buchanan, and the Zogby poll indicated that uh... twenty-some percent of the republicans in new york believe that the president of the the white house had advanced knowledge of the attacks fifty percent total and then uh... the the cnn poll was ninety percent did you ever see that cnn poll?
02:34:22.000uh... yeah that one does sound extreme but uh... and i didn't see how the question was worded but it's significant that uh... I have it in my film with the question yeah that even uh...
02:34:34.000You know, people who consider themselves Republicans and Conservatives said they didn't believe the official story.
02:34:41.000Well, the question was, to paraphrase, and I think this is exact, do you believe the government had prior knowledge of 9-11 and consciously failed to act?
02:35:47.000I just hope people will read the books and make up their own minds.
02:35:51.000Well, before we take two final calls and let you go, I was flattered.
02:35:56.000I had no idea when you first came on, you said you'd learned a lot from this broadcast, and then coming from you, I appreciate that.
02:36:02.000Well, yeah, I've cited your show in my books, particularly the second edition.
02:36:09.000I didn't know you got it directly from the show.
02:36:12.000Yeah, yes, and particularly in the second edition, the updated edition of New Pearl Harbor, I cited, and then again in the second book.
02:36:21.000Well, look, I don't care who gets credit for being the first person on 9-11, but it's an authoritative position to be able to claim you're the godfather or the granddaddy of the 9-11 truth movement.
02:36:31.000But, I mean, two months before 9-11, and I've never done this before since, I said, call the White House, they're going to attack the World Trade Center, call Bush, tell him don't do it, that Lodin will take the blame, he's their asset.
02:36:41.000And I did it from day one and it took a lot of heat and then other people come along, not you, but come along and claim that they are the sole source and start telling everyone what to do.
02:36:55.000I myself am very clear about the fact that I was a Johnny Come Lately to this issue and I appreciate The work that you and lots of others did that made my own books possible.
02:37:09.000I've never said this in the last few months, except that other people are saying, I am the founder, I am the leader, and literally saying, I order people, I say what you talk about.
02:37:47.000Exactly, and the more the 9-11 Truth Movement gets embroiled in ego wars, the less effective we'll be in terms of our real task.
02:37:58.000I'm almost embarrassed that I've come out and said this, but if you look at the record of my site, you'll never find us doing this.
02:38:05.000But you understand the power position of being able to claim you're the founder, and that other people claim that, and I'm sure you've seen people claiming that they speak ex cathedra, basically.
02:38:15.000Yeah, as I said in my first book, in a note, that I didn't have time to go back and see who had first discovered what, and so I was very conscious of the fact that I wasn't giving proper credit, but I hope that if the movement is successful, that'll be the time for some historian to write a history and give that kind of proper credit.
02:38:39.000But again, understand, sir, the only reason I raise it to scholars such as yourself is because others have done this.
02:39:26.000Well, yeah, I mean this idea that we're promoting a culture of life, the disregard for the lives of the workers and people living around the World Trade Center to come out and say the air was clean and now thousands are getting sick and dying And the same thing in Iraq, and of course we've had that in other wars, in Afghanistan, and it's absolutely criminal that we're still using this depleted uranium.
02:39:52.000Well, it shows the cavalier attitude towards life.
02:39:56.000One way that some elitists talk about American troops, you know, They talk publicly about, oh, support our troops, be patriotic, and so forth.
02:40:07.000What they're saying they have is, young men are dying?
02:41:11.000The buildings, when they came down, I mean, anybody that has watched some professional demolished buildings in the past, when you see those buildings come down, you know they're demolished.
02:41:20.000That's the point David never could get into, is that we had all this concrete turned into powder, David.
02:41:59.000And you referred to the New World Order as the fourth rank, and I just wanted to touch base on that, because previously, earlier in the show, Um, your statement that, you know, the New World Order is a corporate thing, but that's where they all infiltrated after the war.
02:42:14.000Of course, Operation Paperclip, our government agents brought them in quietly, created the CIA... Yeah, I call it, and I appreciate your call, great points, Michael.
02:42:22.000I'm sorry that these great callers don't have any more time or all the others that are holding.
02:42:26.000But I call it the fourth right because they were supporters of Nazis, the current regime.
02:42:35.000The skull and bones is the same symbol as the Nazis.
02:42:39.000It is the same group, the same spirit.
02:42:42.000And David Ray Griffin, do you agree with that?
02:42:45.000Well yes, and my colleague Richard Falk is now working on asking the question, will the global empire amount to global fascism all right well i really appreciate you david coming on can we get you back up sometime for two hours and take calls sure because yeah a marathon is what we need because out of two hours we get an hour and a half of broadcast time and then and more time to talk to these callers thanks for spending time with us and take care thank you Bye-bye.
02:43:14.000All right, there he goes, ladies and gentlemen.
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