Alex Jones talks about the latest 9/11 revelations and what we will see in Iraq in the next year. Big Brother and the media cover-up? Government cover-ups? You want answers? Well, so does he. He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network and now, live from Austin, Texas.
00:00:39.000It is Monday, the 16th day of May 2005.
00:00:45.000We'll be live for the next 2 hours and 59 minutes 10 seconds.
00:00:49.000Coming up, Michael Rivero from one of the biggest websites on the web.
00:00:55.000WhatReallyHappened.com will be joining us to talk about the latest 9-11 revelations as well as what's really happening in Iraq with his forecast on what we'll see there in the next year.
00:01:07.000In the third hour, we talked to him before he left town to Germany for the Bilderberg Group meeting a month ago.
00:01:14.000He just got back last week from the Bilderberg Group meeting and I'm going to have a chance to play that CNN Europe clip where they go, oh yeah, the Bilderberg Group wants world government, but that's good.
00:01:24.000See, just now it's out in the open and being admitted, so Jim Tucker in the third hour.
00:01:28.000We'll also have open phones throughout the broadcast today.
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00:02:49.000Of course, Putin supports his biggest stand, too.
00:02:51.000Because Putin's a man Bush can trust, a man with a soul he's been able to look at.
00:02:56.000Build a seized homes that contain illegal guns.
00:02:59.000That means you've got a magazine that's got too many rounds, or you didn't register that gun properly, and well, you're just going to lose your house and your car.
00:03:20.000And this is nothing but prize money, or booting, or spoils.
00:03:25.000The Romans did it, the British Navy did it, and it really gets your devil dogs going to get out there and grab all the goods and we'll be covering it.
00:03:35.000Nicotine vaccine is set to snub out smoking, but it changes your body's autoimmune response to where your body basically attacks the nicotine.
00:04:12.000What happens is the illegal aliens, whether it be from India or Mexico, predominantly Mexico, drive wages down so low that people that have insurance or pay taxes cannot live within the normal system, and it's driving down the wages.
00:05:03.000Hey folks, Alex Jones here, announcing the release of my most comprehensive documentary exposing the New World Order's orchestration of the September 11th attacks yet.
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00:08:03.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
00:08:10.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:15.000Alright, second segment, 8 minutes, 15 seconds in.
00:08:19.000Michael Rivero from WhatReallyHappened.com will be joining us to talk about the latest revelations concerning 9-11 and the Iraq War, the torture, you name it.
00:08:46.000The four branches of the service aren't in some cases getting half of what they need and even lowered targeted numbers for recruitment for the military the so-called All volunteer force.
00:09:02.000We have all these new bizarre vaccines coming out that actually change brain chemistry.
00:09:06.000So you quote, won't use drugs or nicotine.
00:09:11.000There is just masses of important news today.
00:09:14.000I want to get into the racist comments of Vicente Fox El Jefe.
00:09:21.000I want to cover it all, but first thing I want to plunge into Is Newsweek report on Koran matches many earlier accounts?
00:09:33.000And that's the headline from The Raw Story.
00:09:37.000The issue of Newsweek that just came out, or that they're setting to report, but they've already released a teaser last week, said that they put Korans in the toilet at Camp X-Ray to terrorize, to terrorize Uh, the members of those two camps, because there's two camps.
00:09:58.000There's the general camp and then a CIA-based Camp Delta within Camp X-Ray.
00:10:04.000And then, the story hadn't been out a day before Newsweek said, uh, sorry, we report it wrong, it's not true, no Koran in the toilet.
00:10:14.000Now, I see this tactic over and over again.
00:10:18.000They will have the media report things that are true, and then on purpose retract it to supposedly make the public think that everything's okay.
00:10:28.000Internationally, and we even have the Pentagon war plan, propaganda plan on this, internationally, with a program called P-2-O-G, launched in early 2002, P-2-O-G, type that in, you'll get AP, Reuters, UPI, We got the Rumsfeld Plan, a $6.2 billion program a year, to go out and put out propaganda that will enrage the Arabs.
00:10:53.000So they'll put the propaganda out, it won't be discredited internationally, then Americans are told, oh it wasn't true so we feel like everything's okay, we go back to sleep, but meanwhile the whole world is enraged.
00:11:08.000Because we have Pentagon documents, we have Israeli documents, even back in the early eighties they said, we want to take over Iraq, balkanize the place, have an endless civil war, it's perfect for this, we don't ever want to put a government in that's strong, we want ethnic strife, we want religious strife between the different suburbs of Muslims.
00:11:26.000This was the British plan a hundred years ago, or to be accurate, ninety years ago.
00:12:20.000The worse it gets, the more funding, because they're doing their job.
00:12:23.000The war on drugs is meant to fail, because in failing they win.
00:12:27.000Triple the heroin, double the cocaine in the last ten years.
00:12:29.000From one million in prison, to over seven million in prison.
00:12:32.000The globalists bring in the drugs, your kids use them, they put them in prisons, they work for 20 cents an hour, this place is workers, the drug dealers own the prisons, the cartels own the prisons, this is how it works.
00:12:43.000Again, you're not looking at it from the proper angle.
00:12:46.000Look, it was the CIA that released the photos to CBS News of the torture and the beating to death and the dogs.
00:13:09.000Two weeks ago, London Guardian, London Telegraph, London Independent, One of our own senior military men, well, we forget that General Rick Baucus, two and a half years ago, was in the Rhode Island newspapers, left.
00:13:25.000He was the head of Camp X-Ray, and he said, we're torturing these people, and they're not even Taliban or Al-Qaeda.
00:14:16.000Tabling, putting somebody on a table, strapping them down, sticking their head down into about a foot of water, normally full of feces and urine.
00:14:23.000I'm sorry folks, but that's what they do.
00:16:16.000There is no way to properly cover all of this.
00:16:19.000Perhaps one of you listeners would like to go to my website, PrisonPlanet.com or InfoWars.com, get the Rick Baucus articles from two and a half years ago, get the article from last week, I don't even have time to call Paul Watson and tell him to do this, and he's going out to do something today.
00:16:34.000And my wife's sitting there trying to do this, and we've got Ryan Slickheisen trying to do it.
00:16:40.000I'm not whining, it's the frustration.
00:16:42.000Just to chronicle all the lies, and then to analyze this.
00:16:47.000We know how to crack the code, and how to expose their operations, where it makes sense from their own documents, but it's just how to articulate it.
00:16:54.000But we need to get a page built, That shows Rick Baucus, that shows the witnesses that have been released, that shows the latest military officer, that shows the admissions of the Attorney General who was the Chief White House Counsel, Alberto, I love torture, Gonzalez.
00:17:10.000We need to get it all together in one spot and then write a little blurb about how the government brings this out on purpose with P-2-O-G to show a link when we make that claim.
00:17:24.000Every word has to be a link as we document.
00:17:27.000And then show the basic program, and then this is understandable.
00:17:33.000I mean, here's another example of why I'm frustrated.
00:17:37.000Four or five months ago, they're having the World Economic Forum in Switzerland.
00:17:45.000And at the World Economic Forum, a CNN executive comes out, this was all staged, and says, yeah, we've got reports they're targeting and killing our own journalists.
00:17:55.000And then that gets leaked, and they said to the head, one of the head guys at CNN, well what's your problem?
00:18:16.000Before the Iraq War, we had like BBC and AP, where the Pentagon said they'd target journalists if they, quote, reported anything to the enemy.
00:18:24.000And then we've got them in front of the Baghdad Hotel, the tank aiming the Abrams and blowing up the Reuters floor, what, the 9th floor?
00:18:33.000And we've got them driving up people and killing them.
00:19:18.000It's like we're trying to analyze the combined efforts of about five different governments who have upwards of 15 intelligence agencies apiece.
00:19:27.000I mean, how do I cover all the fake reporters, all the fake news, all the paid-for fake news?
00:19:32.000Because the news is only the tip of the iceberg.
00:19:34.000There's all the hundreds of pieces of propaganda in movies, comic books, dramas on TV.
00:19:54.000We are deluged in an orgy of evidence.
00:19:58.000All right, I'm just going to come through and blitz through news and wrap it afire when we get back.
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00:23:57.000visit www.TrustJesusToday.com My friends, I'm just so frustrated.
00:24:10.000There's so much corruption, so much pure evil, Just, we catch the globalists red-handed, kidnapping hundreds of thousands of women and children.
00:24:19.000We catch them red-handed putting poison in the food and water.
00:24:22.000We catch them red-handed with their own documents, how they're going to lie to us, how they're going to carry out terror attacks, how they're going to... I mean, it's really all public!
00:24:31.000And that's why they're coming out on CNN and going, Mildenberg Group does want world government and they are the elite, but it's good.
00:24:38.000They're having to respond now because they've been caught.
00:24:59.000Burma's government says rebel trains abroad by superpower.
00:25:03.000CIA were behind last week's bombings at three shopping centers in the capital of Rangoon.
00:25:11.00019 people are known to have died in the blast, with 69 injured, and that's just the latest round.
00:25:16.000The explosives used were not available in the country.
00:25:21.000And the plot was funded by a world-famous organization, the military government said.
00:25:26.000The junta said it believes the attacks were led by the Thailand-based All Burma Students Democratic Front.
00:25:33.000It's crystal clear that the terrorist and the time bombs originated from the training conducted with foreign experts at a place in a neighboring country by a world-famous organization of a certain superpower nation.
00:25:45.000And ask later about it until they said the CIA.
00:25:47.000Then they talk about all the money the U.S.
00:25:49.000government's funded and all the things they've done.
00:25:52.000Even though the minister refused to name the suspected country and organization, correspondents believe he was referring to the United States.
00:25:58.000And now a new report is out in Burma, they're saying it's the CIA.
00:26:02.000And yeah, I mean, the CIA admittedly Over 300 times that I know of in their own public annals!
00:26:09.000They'll just put it on History Channel, Discovery Channel, like it's cool.
00:26:12.000Oh yeah, they took them out, they did it, wow!
00:27:06.000We're going to have some companies here.
00:27:08.000You're going to have to wear a suit and tie.
00:27:10.000And the commies couldn't get him, but our government could.
00:27:13.000And they just said, well, enjoy yourself then.
00:27:16.000And our government hired 2,000 thugs, and for two and a half weeks, they machine-gunned schools, bombed mosques, ran around desecrating mosques, screaming, Mozedek, Mozedek, up with Mozedek, up with communism.
00:27:29.000And they got him, and then they put in the Shaw, the young twit, and the rest is history.
00:27:35.000Massive crackdowns, incredible torture, incredible police state, and look what we have today.
00:27:40.000Because we have the government documents.
00:29:29.000The threshold of entry into this business of suicide bombers is not very high, said Sandy Berger, who's a convicted thief, national security criminal in President Clinton's second term.
00:29:40.000But he's out there mongering for him, too.
00:29:42.000He got caught stealing top-secret, above-top-secret documents, and he got a slap on the wrist for it, because he's another criminal.
00:29:53.000We're on the march, the Empire's on the run.
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00:34:40.000It's the same thing with Schwarzenegger, but speaking of the borders, Tough immigration talk backfires for Vicente Fox.
00:34:49.000Mexican El Presidente Vicente Fox's latest bid to convince U.S.
00:34:54.000policy makers to ease immigration controls for Mexican workers may have backfired after his tough talk late last week was roundly condemned as racist.
00:35:06.000You know I thought that when I heard it but I just didn't even go there.
00:35:10.000And he went on to say Why, Mexicans will take jobs that blacks don't even want!
00:35:58.000The Indians will work for seven smackers an hour.
00:36:01.000How are you going to pay off your college Bills, that hundred grand you owe for that software engineer job, you're not going to.
00:36:10.000And of course, the government, the Congressional Budget Office last year said the layoffs are going to get seven times greater by 2008 in high-tech alone.
00:36:19.000And I remember, five, six years ago, I'd get calls from, you know, computer programmers, software engineers, engineers, electrical engineers, Hey Alex, I'm making $150,000 a year!
00:36:29.000You know, we need these unskilled workers.
00:36:40.000Well, yeah, because if you went to college, or you're paying insurance, and you want a three-bedroom house for you and your wife and your four children, and you want to have at least one car that works, and you want to take off a week a year, you need to get 15 bucks an hour roofing houses!
00:36:56.000But no, the illegal aliens will do it for five bucks an hour and they'll live ten to a house.
00:37:04.000I'm not bashing them, this is just the facts of economic life.
00:37:08.000And so, now, the once proud construction workers of this country that could have a good life, a good middle class life, can't do it.
00:37:43.000I mean, folks, you cannot survive on 7 bucks an hour.
00:37:47.000I was getting like 10 bucks an hour in college.
00:37:51.000And I could pay for my apartment barely, pay for my car a little bit, and frankly, I'd sit there a couple times a year and go, Dad, can I have a little money when I make a little bit more?
00:39:55.000I want to get into your speaker stand and that Tiananmen Square-style massacre that our government's, well, maybe it's alright.
00:40:00.000I mean, you know, these men are having to fight Al-Qaeda.
00:40:04.000And I want to get into, if you have a gun that isn't registered properly or a magazine that holds too many rounds and they're banning stuff left and right, they'll just seize your house.
00:40:13.000And, uh, this is on the London Independent.
00:41:10.000And now it's coming out that they just started shooting at him, because they thought he was a... This has all happened to us, and I know it's happened to you.
00:41:18.000It might have, but probably happened to you.
00:44:56.000And part of it was around the downtown hiking bike trail, and this, uh, big old mean-looking homeless guy comes out in the middle of the path, out in the middle of nowhere, and says, I like that bike.
00:46:26.000They put it out, then retract it to make it sound like it isn't true.
00:46:29.000Well, and I think what it does is it conditions people to accept this is okay.
00:46:34.000But also, I think, I mean, I've been watching fellow Christians and I've been appalled Because the reaction is like, oh well, those awful Muslims and that heathen, you know, the false doctors.
00:46:49.000I mean, this is talk like we heard in Nazi Germany.
00:46:52.000Well, yeah, it's what Robert J. Liston and his eight characteristics of mind control.
00:46:57.000It's called dispensing with existence.
00:46:59.000You first have to demonize a subgroup, train the public to use the machinery of the police state on them, so the public will accept its use on themselves.
00:47:09.000Christian conservatives are the main real target of all this, but so many of them get off books.
00:47:14.000Having people rape these men is not Christian.
00:47:17.000That is not moral, that is not Christian, and I think somehow if we're going to do this A little like what you described with the webpage having a concise thing after you've got all the articles.
00:47:31.000My frustration was there's ten things I want to write an info page on a day.
00:47:37.000To properly analyze it all, that's why it's important people buy our videos and support us because that's what it's going to take for me to get all this work done.
00:47:48.000Less money's coming in than ever, but I'm just spending every red cent more trying to get people, trying to hire the brains that can do this.
00:47:55.000Yeah, my comment is, too, that somehow we have to get conservative Christians to think.
00:48:01.000They're not thinking about the implications of things either.
00:48:04.000They're not thinking about, okay, this government that you think is so wonderful that's doing all these psychological operations on the Muslims.
00:48:13.000What makes you think That those same powers to repress are not going to be turned on us.
00:48:26.000National ID cards, retina scanners in airports, thumb scanning to buy and sell, the grid going in, police in black ski mask uniforms, armored vehicles everywhere.
00:48:47.000Uh, I'd just like to second what that other guy said about making copies.
00:48:50.000Uh, if everybody make a few hundred, well a few hundred, or a few dozen copies, place them on windshields, label them, say, you make a hundred copies.
00:48:59.000You could educate a lot of people that aren't getting, uh, Get your program as it is.
00:49:03.000Well, I've had calls from New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, Austin.
00:49:09.000Please stop putting your videos on windshields.
00:50:03.000I'm a small fry that they can pick on, I guess.
00:50:06.000Well, I'm not saying that doesn't happen, because we have a lot of evidence those programs go on, and it's funny, a major law enforcement magazine publication, ShomerTech, sells These hyper little sonic weapons, it says our officers love to use it, it rallies to make everybody sick, to do that, but they don't have the forces to do that en masse.
00:50:27.000I'm not saying that's not happening to you, but 99% of people that doesn't happen to, and I'm not saying it's psychosomatic, sir, you might have high blood pressure or something.
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00:57:23.000You know, when you try to tell people about 9-11 being an inside job, You know, I'm coming across a lot of people that look at you like you're nuts, like you're crazy.
00:57:31.000You know, they believe the whole brainwashing thing that the government... It's hard to talk to them, it's better to give them a video.
00:58:26.000Go ahead and get Michael Rivero on for What Really Happened.
00:58:29.000We'll take calls throughout this hour.
00:58:30.000And I'll just throw news items out at Michael Rivero as well.
00:58:34.000Then in the third hour, Big Jim Tucker, just back from the Bilderberg Group, will re-air that little CNN clip where they say, oh yeah, they want world government, but that's good.
00:59:27.000But if you go to our Yahoo group, just go to Infowars.com and click on the news group, it's still the top story from last Friday.
00:59:37.000Sometimes it's good to not have things up in it every day.
00:59:40.000And it says the police chief says the public should be made to take microchips.
00:59:44.000But buried within that article, we need to add the double headline, is the police chief of Bergen County, who was saying all of this, is the same guy that arrested the Israelis, that it's been documented, two of them are Mossad agents, who were cheering on top of the building on 9-11.
01:00:00.000And he said how suspicious it was, and this is new because he hadn't been doing interviews, I got him on for one thing and brought up something else, that it's very unusual to arrest multiple people and none of them talk.
01:00:10.000That's usually a sign of being trained.
01:00:32.000Grudge is in, you know, like the 900s.
01:00:35.000So for all sites, period, not just news sites, one of the biggest sites out there is Michael Rivero and does a great job kind of documenting the memory hole, showing the progression of major news reports, how they change their stories, what they admit, what the documents actually show, and joining us to talk about 9-11, the latest on the draft, the latest on the war, the latest on the people going AWOL, Thank you for having me on the show, Alex.
01:01:01.000editor-in-chief chief commander LFA over there at what really happened dot com my good to have you on with us thank you for having me on the show Alex you make it sound like there's a huge staff over here that I'm lording over with a bull whip but it's really operation well maybe not no no no it's just a few people just like my websites but the point is we're reaching tens of millions I'm I mean, if I'm reaching tens of millions a month, how many are you reaching?
01:01:26.000Well, I'm not reaching quite that many, but I'm getting very close to it right now, and what's interesting is we're watching a phenomenon right now where websites like yours and mine are reaching far greater audiences than most big city newspapers now, and we're starting to rival the audiences of the TV networks now.
01:02:02.000And that's an acronym for phony bloggers.
01:02:04.000These are people who are working for public relations companies or for intelligence agencies or even for the mainstream media Who set up a blog and pretend to be a private blogger, but they're really putting out information on behalf of their client.
01:02:17.000Well, that's really what Gannon was in Talent News Search!
01:02:21.000He was there to basically put Bush's point of view out on the net, pretending to be an independent blog.
01:02:27.000Well, I saw a PBS Frontline piece probably four years ago, where it showed how Summer Redstone and MTV has, at any one time, dozens of corporations, thousands of people, outrunning the fake blogs and the message boards.
01:02:42.000Yeah, absolutely it is, and virtually every major public relations firm in the country offers this as a service, where if you're getting some bad press on the internet for your product or something, they will pay people to sit there and pretend to be private citizens.
01:02:57.000But the wicked cousin of that are the CIA and DEA and Defense Intelligence and FBI, myriad disinfo people, attacking those of us that are telling the truth.
01:03:08.000The good news is that there's such a discerning audience on the web now, people are seeing right through it. - That is absolutely the best thing that I've seen happen over the 12 years I've been running my website, is the public is getting skeptical, the public is relying on their own analytical powers to figure out what is right, what is wrong, I mean, they're double-checking names.
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01:07:06.000Central Standard Time, back from 9 to midnight Central, we're talking to Michael Rivero, one of the very first on the web, even before Grudgelet, Exposing government corruption, dissecting lies, he really got going on the Vince Foster murder, clearly a murder, and one of the biggest alternative news sites on the web, beginning to rival even major networks.
01:08:32.000Bush is bad because he's not hardcore enough against the evil Muslims.
01:08:36.000Well, what's going on is the internet blogs and radio shows like yours and websites like both of ours, we're starting to drive the choosing of news stories.
01:08:47.000We've reached the point where our readership has grown to the point where if we run a story, the mainstream media have to look at it.
01:09:05.000Yes, they absolutely are, because, you know, they are ultimately revenue-driven, and every time they lose readers to the blog, they're losing advertising revenues.
01:09:12.000They've been caught across the board falsifying their numbers.
01:09:16.000In fact, several times we had a local ad agency.
01:09:19.000I'm not going to say who it is, because I still do work for them from time to time, but they just had to lose some of their executives for Yes, it's pretty bad.
01:09:34.000And what they're trying to do now is sort of hop onto the bandwagon that people like you and I have set and say, okay, this is the way the political winds are blowing.
01:09:42.000They've got their fingers up in the air and they're saying, okay, It's going this way.
01:09:54.000Well, they've been trying to do that, but it's still not working that well, and I think we're going to see over time... Because once somebody's had filet mignon, they try to give them some ground hamburger, claiming it's meat, and it's got fungus all over it, because they'll tell a little bit of the truth, but then spin it, people see right through that.
01:10:21.000I mean, we were talking about the Jeff Gannons, the fake bloggers paid by the White House in there at midnight servicing.
01:10:28.000We can get into, yeah, we can get into people like Armstrong Williams, but look, I even know local radio stations that are getting payola, running paid stuff like it's news.
01:10:38.000The hundreds of millions in fake newscasts, that's only the tip of the iceberg.
01:10:42.000That absolutely is the tip of the iceberg.
01:10:43.000It's really been going on a lot longer than has recently been admitted to.
01:10:48.000It has been going on, I mean, at least back to the 60s is when I was first aware of it and during Vietnam, when a lot of the news about that war was being pre-packaged by the government and handed to the networks as a completed tape.
01:11:29.000I looked at that Gallup poll and I just said, yee-haw, this was a vindication of all the years of... To be specific, people need to get a little more sophisticated.
01:11:36.000People always ask when we use mainstream news, you're saying it's bad, well then why are you using it?
01:11:56.000What we do is take an article where they say a bill does this, we go read the bill, and post at the top, the subsection, show how they're lying.
01:12:03.000So there's five or six different types of news, isn't there?
01:12:06.000Then there's also real reporters doing real news that never gets off the newswire into newspapers.
01:12:11.000What your site and my site and other sites do, we take those little-known stories that are true by good reporters who wonder why they're always out in the middle of the boondocks, Absolutely.
01:12:25.000We're giving the attention to what the people need to know.
01:12:28.000And the other thing, of course, is that you and I will take facts from different stories and put them together and say, okay, these both cannot be true.
01:12:36.000Therefore, one of these two sources is being less than truthful with the public.
01:12:40.000And that is the strongest method that we have to basically call attention to what is... Okay, case in point.
01:13:09.000We have Alberto Gonzalez's memos admitting it.
01:13:12.000But then, Newsweek on purpose comes out, reports putting the Koran in the toilet, then withdraws the story, even though that stuff goes on.
01:13:26.000Well, I think what happened, I'm not sure why Newsweek decided to run the story just now, the original story just now, because it had been reported many, many times before.
01:13:36.000It's an old news story, so they're just reporting it to them withdrawn, so people, when they hear us talk about it, go, oh no, that's been discredited.
01:13:42.000Well, that may be it, but what I think happened is they weren't expecting such a negative reaction to the story.
01:13:47.000Not necessarily in the Muslim world, but a lot of Americans were saying to themselves, how would I feel if my holy religious texts were being thrown in the toilet?
01:13:57.000No, they do do trial balloons, you're right, because under P20G, Rumsfeld wants to enrage the Muslims, that's why they release the prisoners, so they do go tell the story, but now you're saying it's leaking back in here.
01:14:09.000I think it's produced a negative reaction inside the United States, as the original torture scandal itself did, where the Americans are saying, wait, we can't support this.
01:14:17.000And again, we were shown a fraction of what they really did.
01:14:22.000I'm sure we will never find out all that was done, or has been done, in the name of the United States.
01:14:27.000Well, they admit there's 2,000 plus photos and over 100 videos we weren't allowed to see.
01:14:31.000Yeah, we're such children, we can never be allowed to know what the government has been doing with our tax dollars.
01:14:35.000But they admit beating people to death, raping people.
01:14:41.000It absolutely is, and if you look back, this was all the stuff that, as growing up as a kid, I was told this is what Nazi Germany was doing, and ooh, they were bad, and we were good to go stop them from doing it.
01:14:52.000So now, all of a sudden, we're reversed, and our government is now engaging in these sorts of practices.
01:15:02.000Michael Savage, about a year ago, was going on that anybody who even questioned the President in a time of war... Should be put in a FEMA account.
01:15:09.000And now we're, so you know, Michael Savage has his finger up in the air and he knows the political winds are shifting and he's starting to trend more towards saying, well, maybe Bush isn't right and maybe he did lie and so forth.
01:15:20.000He's still trying to put a positive pro-Bush, pro-GOP, Yeah, I heard him three years ago.
01:15:34.000They're trying to use the labels, but it's not working.
01:15:37.000No, it really isn't, because ultimately people are learning how to sort through all the labels and get down to what the actual facts are, and that fact is really what it's about.
01:15:47.000Well, the facts are right now that Bush has lied to the American people to start a war of conquest against a nation that did absolutely nothing wrong to us.
01:15:57.000And I think... And he was told to invade Kuwait to begin with.
01:16:02.000Well, that whole Desert Storm 1 supposedly took care of that.
01:16:05.000The current war in Iraq was started completely on a lie, and it's important to understand that when Bush started the invasion of Iraq, he did so by telling Congress that he had proof that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
01:16:19.000But now Rumsfeld says he never said that, and it's an urban legend.
01:16:22.000No, no, no, because it's in the letter of Trans-Civil.
01:16:27.000But if you go back to Bush's actual letter to Congress, he sets it down in writing and signs his... Well, he said it in a State of the Union.
01:16:46.000We should be doing more than that to Bush, because in this case we're talking about a lie that has resulted in the deaths of 1,600 Americans.
01:16:56.000Well, it's always going to be more than the number we have at hand because it is, it's going up.
01:17:00.000Yeah, they report six months later, yeah.
01:17:03.000But don't you think Bush is going to go ahead and blow up some more stuff and then go ahead and get his draft and see, I was right, shut up?
01:17:09.000I think that's why they're so arrogant.
01:17:11.000Well, I think they're arrogant because there's a great unwillingness to really look at how bad the situation is deteriorating.
01:17:21.000I'm not even sure Bush yet knows about those latest Gallup numbers about how many people think he deliberately lied about Iraq, but they're pushing forward for this next campaign in Iran They don't have the support of the rank-and-file military.
01:17:34.000They're not going to have the support of the American people.
01:17:37.000But they're on this real huge rush because I think the plan is that Israel wants an excuse to be able to bomb the Iranian reactor complex.
01:17:44.000Israel doesn't care if we look like idiots.
01:17:46.000They don't care if we do all the work for them.
01:17:48.000They'll just sit it out and watch the dumb giant, the retarded giant, go do all the work for them.
01:17:53.000Well, there's definitely that aspect of it, but the important part about the reactor is they have to bomb it before it's fueled, or the resulting disaster will make Chernobyl look like a Sunday picnic.
01:18:03.000So that is the big rush and the big push.
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01:23:16.000I mean, 42% in the last couple of months with the Army falling on its recruitment numbers, and they already lowered the hurdle, what, three or four times in the last few years.
01:23:27.000The other services are having the same problem.
01:23:29.000I've got a London Independent article about masses of people going AWOL.
01:23:40.000Well, I don't think there's any way that the U.S.
01:23:43.000is going to be able to go into Iran without bringing back the draft, and as we know, the offices are already set up and running to be able to crank up a draft on almost no notice at all.
01:23:52.000The bills are introduced, but you're a conspiracy theorist, so talk about it!
01:23:55.000Yeah, the bills are already introduced, the actual Selective Service Boards are up and running as we speak, and it's very obvious that we don't even have enough troops to support the wars we already have going in Afghanistan and Iraq.
01:24:08.000let alone engaging another major front with Iran.
01:24:12.000Well, David Ray Griffin was asked the question on C-SPAN, and on the show, I said, do you think we'll carry out a terror attack?
01:24:26.000Bush needs to have another phony terror attack.
01:24:29.000Where and when, of course, is a matter of some speculation.
01:24:33.000But the really critical thing here is that, at least as far as Iraq is concerned, the war is illegal and I'm not sure why any serving military person feels that they're legally obligated to remain there.
01:24:46.000Yeah, Congress said that there was a clear and present danger he had authorization, but he's clearly violated the enacting document, which itself was a fraud, so where do you go?
01:24:56.000Well, the big problem, of course, is Congress itself is unwilling to go back and prosecute the President for what is clearly a high crime of lying to Congress.
01:25:06.000Premeditatedly ordering the CIA to lie.
01:25:09.000And then they wouldn't lie, so they created their own little Pentagon office to lie.
01:25:12.000Absolutely, and of course that little Pentagon office now lies at the heart of the ongoing investigation into the AIPAC and Israeli spying.
01:25:22.000And again folks, half the people in Israel in major polls are against all this.
01:25:25.000I'm not against Israel itself, but I am against being used by this corrupt regime to do their dirty work.
01:25:31.000There's a lot of other things, oil companies and weapon sales play into it, but in the final equation, I've read Israeli war documents from the early 80s that are published in Israeli papers, and it's exactly what we're doing today!
01:25:47.000We're definitely looking at a certain portion of the American government clearly has a divided or dual loyalty.
01:25:54.000And to go back to some of the religious documents that the far right likes to quote from, no man can serve two masters.
01:26:01.000And we clearly have a case of portions of our government who are thinking more in terms of Israel's well-being than the well-being of this nation right here.
01:26:10.000And that, I think, is tremendously dangerous.
01:26:12.000Well, why didn't Israel send their troops into Iraq?
01:26:15.000Well, first of all, I don't think they have enough.
01:26:18.000Second of all, I think if they overtly went into Iraq, I think all the other Arab nations would have instantly united against them.
01:26:26.000And Israel, even with its nuclear arsenal, would not be able to withstand a united Middle East against them because Israel is itself physically a very, very small country.
01:26:51.000Well, again, it's all being driven by the schedule for completion of that nuclear reactor.
01:26:57.000Once it is fueled, it cannot be bombed without causing tremendous health and environmental damage across the entire Mideast, including the oil field.
01:27:05.000So they had to fuel the Tammuz reactor in 1981 in Iraq?
01:27:44.000This is a far cry, of course, from Israel's reactor complex at Dimona.
01:27:47.000But the real issue behind all of this is that Iran was planning to start its own oil brokerage institution, which was going to trade in euros rather than dollars.
01:27:58.000This is what Iraq was also getting ready to do shortly before the invasion there.
01:28:03.000And this, of course, is a major problem for the U.S.
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01:34:37.000Going back to Michael Rivero, let's get in a little bit more to what's really happened in Iraq and what DU has really done.
01:34:46.000And then I want to get briefly into 9-11 and some of the latest developments there and then take calls.
01:34:52.000Well, obviously in Iraq, the biggest threat facing our kids, besides the fact that the Iraqi people don't want the United States in their country, has been the depleted uranium munitions.
01:35:04.000Now, in their original form as supplied to the troops, they're relatively harmless, because depleted uranium is primarily an alpha emitter.
01:35:11.000But when they are employed in combat, these munitions will vaporize, and this produces a cloud of uranium oxide, which can be inhaled, And once it's inhaled and in your lungs, of course, now it's inside your body and this alpha radiation over a long period of time can cause tremendous health deterioration.
01:35:32.000And even new scientists and others have done the CAT scans of the lungs.
01:35:36.000Just the heavy metal nature alone is highly destructive to cells.
01:35:42.000Yeah, the uranium itself is a very toxic metal, even if it were somehow not radioactive.
01:35:48.000So we're seeing the troops from, like, the first Desert Storm War are having a very high incidence of birth defects in the children that they are now having.
01:35:55.000But in 44 billion years, everything will be okay.
01:35:59.000Yeah, the half-life of depleted uranium is extraordinarily long.
01:36:03.000The planet Earth and the people of planet Earth are going to be dealing with all of this radioactivity that was dropped all over Iraq and Afghanistan for as long as we're going to be here.
01:36:12.000And Serbia and ten proving grounds in the U.S.
01:36:40.000And we have triple the birth defects now, that's the official numbers in our people and the Iraqi people.
01:36:44.000Now, the numbers two years after the liberation are coming in, they're even worse than that.
01:36:48.000It may be a tripling on the tripling, whatever that comes to mathematically, and they're having the same thing in Serbia six years after, having the same thing three years after in Afghanistan, but this time we didn't just bomb the desert, our government bombed all these bases where our troops then moved in.
01:37:07.000Absolutely, and our kids are sitting there, they're breathing this stuff, and I know there's a tremendous push in the media about, do they have enough body armor?
01:37:17.000Every single one of our kids are coming home from the Mideast with lungs full of this mildly radioactive material, and they're contaminating their own families, they're contaminating their own homes, and it's very low-level.
01:37:28.000You know, we're not seeing things glow in the dark, but over the course of several years... The New York Daily News tested the blood of 14 servicemen last year and found upwards of two rims of radiation.
01:37:41.000Absolutely, and over the course of several years, the health effects from this are going to be debilitating and we're already seeing the Veterans Administration trying to distance itself from these medical conditions.
01:37:52.000The whole Gulf War Syndrome issue may in fact have been symptoms from chronic low-level radiation exposure and the government does not want to have to pay the medical costs from all of this because we're talking about cancer and leukemia which are the most expensive illnesses that you can come down with.
01:38:07.000Well the particleized element is also so heavy that it actually pierces the cell wall I mean, we've had Dr. Rocky many times wrote the book on DU, and so it just goes right through the cell wall by itself and destroys the DNA.
01:38:35.000Long-term monitoring of the background radiation.
01:38:38.000I mean, we're still picking up radiation from the above-ground tests in the 1950s, and now we're starting to see a very gradual increase as the radioactivity from the depleted uranium weapons circles the globe, carried by the winds.
01:38:49.000And so, 10 years from now, 20 years from now, when you're on your knees, vomiting your guts out, Yeah, you can't eat and you're on all these cancer therapies, troops.
01:38:58.000Remember, we tried to save you before this even happened.
01:39:28.000So... I'll tell you, but I mean, the globalists, this stuff blows on them.
01:39:32.000I mean, I know there's like one member of Congress with a son in Iraq, but still, I mean, why do they... They could have used other munitions.
01:40:25.000They're already starting to develop them and there is already a question if some of the so-called bunker buster bombs that have been employed in Iraq were already micronukes in their own right.
01:40:36.000There have been reports of, especially in Fallujah, of whole blocks being bulldozed and the soil and wreckage of the homes being driven out to the desert and buried in secret locations, which is what we saw at Waco and Oklahoma City and also portions of the World Trade Towers.
01:41:19.000servicemen and women are now refusing to serve their country.
01:41:22.000Andrew Bokum reports, and it talks about how masses of troops, thousands are going AWOL.
01:41:30.000Well, again, I think if you look at the fact that the Iraq War is illegal, totally, then somebody needs to explain the legal precedent under which those troops should be staying over there anyway.
01:41:43.000The example I used in my website earlier today is if you're contracted to move the contents of Warehouse A to Warehouse B, and then you find out that the person who contracted you doesn't actually own the contents of Warehouse A, Would any court enforce you to continue serving that contract when the foundation or the premise that it's based on turns out to be illegal?
01:42:03.000Well, when the troops read their handbooks on how they're supposed to conduct themselves, all of it's being violated.
01:42:25.000Those numbers are very striking and frankly I gotta say, you know, good for them because they recognize There is a contract between the American government and the military that the military are to be used and sent into harm's way only in certain conditions.
01:42:38.000Well, it's the old thing with the Nazis, just following orders doesn't do it.
01:42:42.000No, and we've never built our country on the follow orders without question.
01:42:46.000The military has always been told they do have a moral right to refuse what they consider to be illegal or immoral.
01:42:52.000Well, it's like Operation Phoenix and the My Lai Massacre.
01:42:59.000And you're going to be on the right, but not today.
01:43:01.000They go, no, you've got to do what we say.
01:43:04.000Well, they're trying to enforce that, but obviously by these AWOL numbers, they're failing to do so.
01:43:08.000We may see a repeat of the private Slovic kind of situation to try and get the troops back in line.
01:43:16.000And I would say probably following the next stage terror event and the restoration of the draft, we will probably see that kind of stern measures taken.
01:43:24.000Lots of public show trials, persecution.
01:43:27.000They'll just grab somebody as an example, put them up against a wall and shoot them to let the troops know that, yes, you'd better go in and kill who we say to kill.
01:43:35.000Well, I'm told, I've seen mainstream articles that there's already special gangs of troops that go around beating up and killing people that don't go along.
01:43:42.000Yeah, that would not surprise me at all to see that kind of thing.
01:43:51.000How did the Pentagon, I mean I think they did this by design, they won a quagmire there, when they told the troops if somebody gets caught stealing a stick of wood, run over their family car with a tank and then laugh at them in front of thousands of onlookers, I mean that doesn't win hearts and minds.
01:44:48.000I think the controllers of the puppet Bush know that.
01:44:50.000I think that's why they're going to have a terror attack, escalate into Iran, because they've either got a Ponzi scheme, expand or it implodes.
01:44:58.000If not, it's going to be like Vietnam with people jumping on helicopters off rooftops.
01:45:03.000I think it's going to end up that way anyway, because in my honest opinion, unless Bush is willing to use weapons of mass destruction in Iran, he can't win that war.
01:45:12.000Because Iran has a very modern, well-equipped army.
01:45:15.000They're certainly far more capable than Iraq was.
01:45:18.000They've now strengthened their mutual defense ties with Azerbaijan, which means there's a lot more territory to have to cover.
01:45:24.000So I don't think Iran is a winnable war.
01:45:28.000Certainly not when the troops going in know that it's all based on yet another set of hoaxes and lies.
01:45:33.000But they hit Chicago with a nuke, Michael.
01:45:44.000Well, I just, you know, I just keep looking for somebody to make a really big mistake that is so horrendous that even the mainstream media can't look the other way.
01:45:53.000But the mainstream media is owned by the same military-industrial complex that wants this.
01:47:05.000My point is, Alex, is that by pushing the reaction to this problem that the government is coming up with, and that isn't the only problem that the government is coming up with, they're also, you know, as you know, requiring hospitals to treat these guys.
01:47:50.000You bring up some other woman, I don't... Listen, thanks for the call, sir.
01:47:54.000I'm going to say something on this right now.
01:47:57.000You know, if we have a problem with 30 million illegals, and we want to bring another 30 million in, driving down our wages, being used as a political bloc, and we need to control the borders and control these illegals, it isn't then my fault that the government uses a false solution.
01:48:13.000And I said they'd do that, and I was against this National ID Card.
01:48:16.000So then it's not my fault that I'm exposing this.
01:48:21.000I don't know if Michael Rivero has any comments on this.
01:48:24.000Well, I think my only comment to add to that is all these individuals are coming over the border right now.
01:48:29.000They think they're getting a great opportunity, but they're going to be the first ones picked up in that draft when they're granted their amnesty.
01:48:36.00025% of the troops in Iraq were illegal aliens.
01:48:38.000They're given instant quasi-citizenship when they get in there.
01:48:47.000And so for anybody who's listening across the border, It is not the sweet deal you're being told it is, because you're going to come up here to the United States and you're going to find yourself over in the deserts of the Mideast.
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01:53:07.000It's human history repeating itself again.
01:53:11.000First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win.
01:53:14.000Now I've heard a lot about this Penn & Teller piece and I've checked it out online and just saw the basic synopsis of what it covers, but yeah, I heard they called for violence against people saying the government's involved in 9-11.
01:53:27.000When they start doing that, you know they're desperate to Michael Rivera.
01:53:34.000Well, my comment about Penn & Teller, I did in fact comment on the story when it first came out.
01:53:39.000Penn & Teller, you have to remember, their claim to fame, how they became well-known and popular, is they were doing shows that exposed magicians' secrets.
01:53:49.000They made a lot of money doing it and they became very popular, but of course they were inflicting a lot of damage on professional magicians.
01:55:50.000Yeah, the draft actually does violate the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.
01:55:55.000And that's why during the actual draft process, they use the word volunteer.
01:56:00.000If you step forward, you volunteer for the service.
01:56:03.000And, uh, you know, if you actually step forward at that point, then legally you have offered your services rather than being, uh... And they say it's a privilege to drive, so you've got to sign this contract saying we can draft you when you get an ID, but it's all done through fraud.
01:56:17.000The bottom line is that a military draft is a direct violation of the 13th Amendment, and if we're going to be... Well, they're so righteous, they should be able to get the people.
01:56:37.000I got a quick question for you and Michael.
01:56:39.000If the United States does launch against Iran, doesn't Iran have a mutual defense treaty with Russia, which would mean, in effect, that the United States would be attacking Russia?
01:56:48.000Yeah, but I think Putin is going to sit that one out.
01:56:52.000I'm less than sure, because I think Putin realizes that, you know, appeasement does not work.
01:56:57.000We learned that one in World War II with Neville Chamberlain.
01:57:00.000And what's really at stake is control of the Mideast oil.
01:57:03.000Russia does have a lot of oil, but they still need access to the Central Asian... And it's true, they're selling a lot of weapons right now to Iran.
01:57:09.000They really are, and I think at some point Russia is going to say, look, we've got to stop them, or the U.S.
01:57:14.000is going to grab all of it, and then our economy will be trashed.
01:57:17.000And so I think ultimately, yes, we are looking at a war with Russia.
01:57:21.000I've got another guest coming up in five minutes, but will you do five more minutes to finish these calls?
01:58:49.000I just wondered how the, uh, Well, the powers that be were going to deal with that angle with the defense treaty that Iran has with Russia, or at least they used to, and I wasn't sure if they still had it.
01:59:03.000But I tell you, Bush has sure been spending a lot of time, and so has Sharon, in Russia trying to get things greased.
01:59:11.000Absolutely, and I think they're trying to offer some kind of a deal to Putin that, hey, we'll let you still have access to this or that many oil fields.
01:59:19.000I'm not sure how well that's going to fly because there were some deals that Russia had with Iraq.
01:59:34.000cannot get out of Iraq the oil that they were hoping to be able to extract following the invasion.
01:59:40.000And now we're paying two and a half bucks an average gallon at 87 octane.
01:59:44.000Well, it's going to get worse than that because right now Bush is spending $5 billion per month in Iraq to get out $150 million worth of oil.
01:59:54.000And certainly it would have been far cheaper to simply say to Saddam, OK, we're going to lift the sanctions and we'll buy the oil from you.
02:00:01.000And we would have gotten a lot more oil for a lot less money.
02:00:11.000I'm dealing with tyranny at a local level.
02:00:13.000And I just wanted to let you know that the National Forest here, Athletic Coalition National Forest in Florida, that they've been patrolling it a lot.
02:00:20.000And I've been talking with some of the patrols out there.
02:00:22.000And they say upcoming here in their Phase 3 changes.
02:00:24.000That they're going to cause you to have to have permits on your vehicles when you go in the forest.
02:00:30.000And each individual that is in that vehicle has to have a permit to go in the forest.
02:00:33.000Well, everything is going to be IDs and it has nothing to do with terror.
02:00:42.000It's about keeping track of people and allowing the federal government direct control over individual lives.
02:00:47.000Because as we saw, for example, on 9-11, The people who are going to be committing crimes will simply fake the IDs, and that's an aspect of 9-11 most people still don't really pay attention to fully.
02:00:58.000That Robert Mueller, the head of the FBI, said the people who were actually on those airplanes were using skillfully made fake IDs with stolen identities.
02:01:07.000So a national ID card is not going to have any impact on terrorism at all.
02:01:20.000So they're training you to be good little serfs down in Florida, Bob.
02:01:23.000And I've been out in the forest and I took a picture of him on a four-wheel drive going down foot trails that only, you know, people aren't allowed to be on, motorized vehicle zone.
02:01:31.000He got off that four-wheeler and said I had to delete that picture out of my camera or he was going to, I guess, arrest me.
02:01:37.000Well, that's like the recruiters calling up and saying, show up at the recruiting office or I'll arrest you.
02:01:46.000Isn't that another sign of tyranny, Michael?
02:01:48.000That absolutely is, where, uh, you know, police have come to fear digital cameras and camcorders and even cell phones with cameras in them now are being banned at certain public events, uh, just in case the police do something that they don't want photographed.
02:02:01.000Uh, because they realize, once it's out on the net, everybody's going to know about it.
02:02:04.000But they want cameras on us everywhere, but, ooh, camera, that's bad!
02:02:12.000I remember back when, uh, Romania finally got rid of Ceaușescu, and one of the justifications for that was that he'd been putting TV cameras on every street corner to spy on his own people.
02:02:22.000And that was why it was a good thing that Ceaușescu had been killed.
02:02:25.000Now all of a sudden, we've got cameras here.
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02:06:44.000We were talking about the upcoming war with Iran and the launch date for that, unless we're able to expose it before they fuel it in August.
02:06:53.000We also got into the draft looming the over 5,000 troops AWOL right now in the last few months.
02:07:02.000Military recruiting numbers falling apart, but now we're going to shift gears up to the top of the pyramid.
02:07:07.000Not just the horrible things happening down here at the neophyte slave surf level, But what's happening up above us?
02:07:16.000Imagine if 125 top movie stars met in secret with the military guarding them.
02:07:22.000Or if 125 top golfers met in secret with the military guarding them, it'd be top story.
02:07:28.000Or if 125 international crime bosses met, and then the military guarding them would be an international story, and it should be.
02:07:35.000But for decades, since the 1950s, top bankers, top media, top royalty, Meet predominantly in Europe, but have string meetings here in the U.S.
02:07:47.000And a man for 26 years has been covering, and his name is Jim Tucker.
02:07:51.000We have our little yearly ritual of having him on before he goes and after.
02:07:56.000And he's a long time mainstream reporter for some of the biggest syndicates for news on the East Coast.
02:08:04.000And then he woke up to the NWO and started covering the Bilderberg Group.
02:08:08.000He really is the great granddaddy of exposing him.
02:08:10.000And he climbs through drains and gets arrested and climbs over hedges and gets people inside these five-star resorts to get him intel.
02:08:20.000And the Bilderberg Group now brags that they pioneered the EU in the fifties and everything we see, CFR, Trilateral Commission, WTO, UN, they all dance to the Bilderberg tune.
02:08:32.000And the heads of all the other big groups are members of Bilderberg.
02:08:36.000125 members, a couple dozen guests, And Tucker just got back from Deutschland with the latest meeting.
02:08:42.000Jim, it's a great honor to have you with us, sir.
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02:09:49.000You were crazy if you talked about it.
02:09:51.000Now we've seen them admit it exists, but try to put a pretty spin on it.
02:09:55.000I think the most blatant thing I ever saw was last year in the New York Times about, yeah, it's a global government body, but they love us.
02:10:01.000This new piece with John Ronson in Europe aired on BBC.
02:10:04.000We're about to play it, and I want to get your response to it, but what's it been like seeing the evolution of them first denying it exists, and why do you think they're now having to admit it exists?
02:10:15.000It was with the help of the European press, which is much less disciplined.
02:10:19.000The blackout in the United States is quite complete.
02:10:21.000There's New York Times, LA Times, Washington Post, all the three major networks having been represented on their promise of secrecy.
02:10:29.000But the European press in the last 10, 15 years has been very energetic.
02:10:35.000Last year, all over page one of the Italian newspapers.
02:10:38.000And so they simply had to, in some cases, say we exist.
02:10:42.000If you somehow got Henry Kissinger or David Rockefeller on the phone right now and said, is there such a group as Bilderberg?
02:10:54.000So they'll try to suppress as much as possible.
02:10:57.000There comes a time when they are simply forced to admit that, yes, they do exist, but they're good guys.
02:11:03.000We should be grateful that they care so much about us.
02:11:06.000Well, notice in this piece we're about to play, and we'll put you on hold and you can listen to give us your take on it, they use the word conspiracy a lot, right-wing.
02:11:14.000Oh, they want global government, but It's because they care about us and because they're so centrist, because they really love us and they know what's best.
02:11:23.000So let's play this piece and then get the grandfather of exposing the Bilderberg Group's response on it.
02:11:54.000The Bilderberg Group is meeting in South Germany this week, at least according to the Financial Times, which says a group of powerful men and women will debate the future of the world.
02:12:04.000The paper says the steering committee of Bilderberg includes Deutsche Bank boss Josef Ackermann, Nokia CEO Jorma Olala, Daimler Chrysler's Jurgen Schrampp, and outgoing World Bank President James Wolfensohn.
02:12:17.000I asked John Ronson, who has written about Bilderberg, what it really is.
02:12:22.000Bilderberg is a meeting of powerful centrists, industrialists and politicians.
02:12:28.000They always meet in secret once a year in a five-star hotel with golfing facilities and they've taken on the image for conspiracy theorists of the fabled shadowy cabal that secretly rules the world.
02:12:52.000I do think that, by and large, many members of the Bilderberg Group actually see themselves in much the same way as the conspiracy theorists see them.
02:13:01.000As this shattery cabal out to Um, if not to rule the world, but to influence world events.
02:13:08.000What would they see as their purpose then?
02:13:10.000I mean, presumably it's a good get-together of powerful people.
02:13:13.000They don't often get a chance to meet away from the glare of the press.
02:13:17.000One could understand why they might want to have a private chat.
02:13:19.000Yeah, and that's certainly got something to do with it.
02:13:22.000They see themselves as wise, Well, I mean, it depends what side of the political spectrum you sit on.
02:13:30.000Healy, David Rockefeller and various others.
02:13:34.000There's a real idealism there isn't there?
02:13:56.000And they think the idea of a world government, which is what Bilderberg is into by and large, the idea of a one world community, a new world order.
02:14:04.000They see themselves as a government as opposed to a group of world leaders or people with influence at a global level who are talking about global issues, do they?
02:14:15.000They'll get an up-and-coming politician who they think may be president or prime minister one day, and as globalist, industrialist leaders who believe that politics shouldn't be in the hands of the politicians, they try and influence them with wise words in the corridor of that sort of session.
02:14:32.000I mean, should they come and sit here and do an interview with me and explain what they're doing or talk after their meeting about what they've decided, even if they don't invite us along as journalists beforehand or during?
02:14:43.000Well, Bilderberg's secrecy, I think, harks back specifically to Henry Kissinger, who, you know, in quite a silly way, I think, loves the idea of being this shadowy secret figure.
02:14:53.000And it was Kissinger, the founder member of Bilderberg, who had this idea to be this kind of secret organisation.
02:15:02.000And I think some members... Lord Owen said to me at one point... He's a former British Foreign Secretary and leader of the Social Democratic Party.
02:15:10.000Yeah, and he said he kind of wished Gilderberg didn't quite have this air of secrecy.
02:15:14.000Because it gives rise to tremendous conspiracy theories.
02:15:18.000John Ronson there, who's written about you in a book called Them.
02:15:21.000Now, yeah, and it attacked me in that book, and he also, back in what, 1999 or 2000, went with Jim Tucker to Europe and covered Jim being harassed and fallen by the Secret Service of that particular country, but notice the spin there.
02:15:36.000Yeah, they want world government, but it's a good thing.
02:15:38.000They want to stop war, but the truth is they help engineer wars.
02:15:41.000The truth is, these are the people that want a world tax, that want to take your sovereignty, a Pan-American Union.
02:15:47.000All these things they keep denying, now they admit it.
02:15:49.000Jim Tucker, your response to that propaganda?
02:15:52.000It does seem that John Ronson's view has come a little bit our way in seeing them, Bilderberg, see yourself as a world government.
02:16:02.000They're having trouble defining secrecy in a private meeting.
02:16:06.000A private meeting is where we say, acknowledge the topic, we're going to meet at this hotel these days.
02:16:14.000It's going to be a private meeting, doors will be closed, so we're going to have a private meeting on these days and you can't come.
02:16:19.000A secret meeting is where the fact of the meeting itself is not to be known.
02:16:25.000And they tell all the employees, you'll be fired if you ever talk about anything, and decades later we get the documents they had in there, and it's for all these horrible things they want to do, and all these powerful people colluding together to leverage their power!
02:16:38.000In fact, as far as human nature is concerned, it's the very fact that they step on their employees' necks so hard prior to the Bilderberg meeting that makes them act about The second to third day of being in their resort before they seal it off, that makes the employees realize that something sinister has happened.
02:16:57.000I mean, imagine being a bartender or a waiter and told, or a busboy for that matter, a janitor, a cleaning lady, and being told, do not look a Bilderberg participant in the eye.
02:17:10.000Speak to him only if he speaks to you.
02:17:14.000If you reveal one word about what transpires here, our Retrieve one document.
02:17:22.000You will be fired and you'll not only be fired, you'll be blackballed from the industry.
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02:21:50.000Jim, you just got back the last couple weeks from Germany in another of these annual Bilderberg throat meetings and we've gone over your exploits and adventures before, but What happened this visit?
02:22:05.000And then, number one, what was it physically like?
02:22:09.000What was the security arrangements like?
02:22:11.000And then, what tidbits did you get from inside?
02:22:13.000Because you're always able to forecast from your spies inside what's going to be happening in the new year off their agendas, showing that they are the predominant power force on the globe.
02:22:24.000Well, we all hope that the number one item to turn up this year, that they are wrong.
02:22:32.000Henry Kissinger told Richard Holbrook to expect oil to reach $150 a barrel in two years.
02:22:43.000Triple the very high price of oil now, which is about $50 a barrel.
02:22:47.000I think it dipped a couple of bucks in the last two days.
02:22:51.000But from typical $50 a barrel now to $150 a barrel, it should not be long, quote, Kissinger-Dolte told Holbrook.
02:23:00.000And also another source also pointed out that James Baker, not at this Bilderberg meeting, that had attended Bilderberg meetings as Secretary of Treasury and Chief of Staff under President Reagan and President Bush the elder.
02:23:19.000He was representing the Carlisle Group in an earlier business conference, and he said, "Look for $150 a barrel.
02:23:28.000Now, we all hope that they're wrong in that projection.
02:23:31.000We're talking about six and a half, seven dollars a gallon.
02:23:34.000Yes, which Europeans are used to paying prices like that now, but we're not used to it and we do not want to get used to it.
02:23:40.000But they're engineering the scam while acting like they want to try to lower the prices.
02:23:45.000Yes, well, the economic impact would be tremendous, understanding that a significant percentage... Inflation would go to 15%.
02:23:54.000At least because, as any economist will tell you, a significant portion of the price you pay for anything, whether it's a necktie or a house or a car, can be attributed to the cost of transportation from the long journey from raw material to finished product to marketplace.
02:24:11.000So we're talking about tremendous inflation, skyrocketing inflation, if these projections come to be.
02:24:18.000And of course, we all hope they do not.
02:25:58.000And three years ago the Euro was at 89%, so that's a 40-plus drop.
02:26:03.000Boy, great economic policy, but our news, Jim, is almost everything's wonderful.
02:26:07.000What other little tidbits, that's earth-shattering by the way, what we just heard, what other little tidbits did you get?
02:26:13.000Of course the, well the, The big dispute, the first time to my knowledge Bill Burr has ever had bitter, angry disputes.
02:26:24.000The anger over the invasion of Iraq on the European side was so subsiding, it was rekindled because of reports in the London Times and the Guardian about Bush and Blair planning The invasion of Iraq months in advance.
02:26:43.000Now, Blair was in trouble, although he survived the election.
02:26:47.000His party lost about 160 seats in Parliament, and he's weakened.
02:26:54.000Blair had made the commitment to go to war with Bush months in advance, but they're still pretending that diplomacy is their weapon, not war.
02:27:02.000And that just outraged the British, and the other Europeans.
02:27:09.000Now, it's only fair to say that, as we point out in the current American free press, it's not a matter of the Europeans being the peace Bill of Burgers and the Americans being the war Bill of Burgers because the European Bill of Burgers celebrated and helped generate the first invasion of Iraq by Big Bush.
02:27:31.000They celebrated the end of the... Stay there, we'll talk about it when we get back.
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02:31:00.000In the next few years, and that's the indicators we're getting from a lot of major financial publications as well, the mass raping, the mass fleecing, heated arguments between the top globalists There at the Bilderberg Group meeting from Jim Tucker's sources.
02:31:22.000Jim, you were continuing to tell that story.
02:31:25.000Yes, pointing out that the European Bilderbergs strongly supported the 1991 invasion of Iraq, the invasion of Yugoslavia under Bill Clinton, which transformed the NATO into the standing army of the United Nations.
02:31:45.000Now, if we watch the French A referendum on the European Constitution.
02:31:51.000If the French reject the European Constitution, we could all toast Bilderberg, because their hearts will be broken.
02:32:00.000They're very concerned about the possibility that France will reject the European Constitution, which theoretically, if one country says no, the whole thing is dead.
02:32:16.000Well, the smaller countries may say no later, but it would be a very severe blow to Bilderberg if the French reject the May 29th referendum.
02:32:29.000And the reason that the Frenchmen have turned against it, well, It could go either way, but it went from something like 78% approval to about, at one point, about 48% approval to barely 51% approval in the recent polls.
02:32:43.000And that's if you believe these polls?
02:32:45.000Well, they're having the same problem as one of the Germans pointed out, as we've had with NAFTA.
02:32:53.000When they expanded the European Union to include Turkey, and also the former East Bloc countries expanded to 25, the French Bilderberg types did exactly what American financiers did.
02:33:07.000Take their shops and good jobs to the poor countries where they pay slave wages, and good jobs left Germany to go to Ukraine and to Asia.
02:33:19.000In fact, one of them used, the German used the analogy, just like American jobs go south of the border and to India, our jobs are going to the Ukraine and to Asia.
02:33:30.000And the people aren't even going to have the money to buy the slave goods, but the globalists still want their global government so they can control the entire globe, so they're willing to go along with this.
02:33:39.000Any other big bombshells that came out?
02:33:42.000Well, I think the next most interesting thing is who was and who was not there.
02:33:47.000Governor Mark Warner of Virginia attended for the first time, which means that Bill Burr thinks he's a potential president.
02:33:54.000He's the governor of a so-called red state, the only time Virginia has voted Republican presidential candidate.
02:34:06.000Well, Virginia went for Eisenhower in 1952, Republican in every presidential election since, except 1964 when Lyndon Johnson beat Goldwater.
02:34:19.000So as a Democrat governor of a red state, that means that they consider the possibility that the governor, a Warner of Virginia, Mark Warner of Virginia, not to be confused with John Warner.
02:34:31.000And by the way, you said on this program years ago that they literally vet and pick who they want to be president.
02:34:36.000And then New York Times came out and admitted it last year.
02:34:39.000I mean, they're just admitting all this now!
02:34:41.000Well, they like to own both horses in a two-horse race, that's why every Candidate, and every President has had strong connections, either through Trilateral Commission or Bilderberg.
02:35:00.000Of course, the laundry list is printed this week, but it's important to understand that Alan Hubbard, Assistant to the President for Economic Policy and Director of the National Economic Council, was there to be the messenger boy to President Bush.
02:35:16.000And of course, William Lutey, Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Near Eastern and Southeastern Asian Affairs.
02:36:00.000They didn't molest me at all, but our photographer, who's also a gifted journalist, Daddy Eustl, and you'll see his photographs in the next spotlight, a lot of them, Uh, he was jerked off an airplane and held for, uh, let's see, when he got off the plane, uh, in, uh, Munich, they grabbed him and held him for a couple of hours.
02:36:20.000They came on the plane to get him off and, uh, held him for about two or three hours to harass him.
02:36:25.000Then, when he got to the scene of the crime in, uh, a little town of Rotterdam, about 40 miles from Munich, uh, they took his passport and said, uh, we'll give it back to you.
02:36:41.000The closest they came to, that's why I say I felt neglected.
02:36:45.000They didn't abuse me this year, but except one day they said to me, well, they brought out the top cop of, well, one of the top cops of the uniformed police.
02:37:19.000The Minutemen were going to be at a public press conference, and the head of Homeland Security said, Homeland Security, for terror reasons, you're not allowed in to talk about how we've ordered the Border Patrol to stand down.
02:37:28.000I mean, everywhere they're using it against journalists, against activists.
02:37:32.000Well, this is the editor of the local newspaper down there.
02:37:34.000They told him he could not attend a press conference.
02:37:42.000But a bunch of illegal aliens were having a rally in opposition to drivers having to show their citizens are legally here to get a driver's license.
02:37:50.000And they wouldn't let this broadcaster oppose the illegal aliens.
02:37:54.000They wouldn't let him come in because they said he didn't have identification.
02:37:58.000And they're having a rally against identification.
02:38:00.000They're having a rally for the illegal aliens, but he doesn't have ID.
02:38:25.000Uh, I want to, um, I want to make a comment and then I want to ask a question of Alex.
02:38:31.000Uh, Alex, it would be great if you could, uh, you've done this once before that I heard of, If you could review the grand structure of G8, Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, CFR, Basically, all the heads... Let me just stop you.
02:38:53.000All those other groups are over certain things.
02:38:56.000Economics are over this or that, or military.
02:38:59.000But then they're all tools in the corporate structure under Bilderberg, and the heads of Bilderberg are all the heads of the other groups, and they all have different tasks that they carry out.
02:39:08.000But Bilderberg is about as big and powerful as it gets in one of the smallest meetings that we know of.
02:39:13.000Let me get a comment from Jim Tucker on that.
02:40:08.000I want to make a contribution to the conversation in that I came across some really bizarre facts about the UN.
02:40:15.000Briefly, number one, you have around the time of the Atlantic, that Churchill, Roosevelt, Atlantic Charter, not the Atlantic Charter I think it was, that document that Churchill and Roosevelt came up with, there were UN agencies that really use the exact same title they have now
02:40:38.000UNESCO, UNRWA... Sir, I have a New York Times from 1936 with the ten regions of America, the call for global government.
02:40:46.000They tried all this, it was the same names, almost identical with the president back during World War II, I mean World War I, Woodrow Wilson, thanks for the call.
02:40:59.000Comments on that, this global government, it's just more of the same.
02:41:03.000Yes, I think you're referring to somebody's new state's constitution going to divide the United States into ten regions.
02:41:10.000Well, of course there's the perennial issues that Bilderberg had, the direct tax on the United, on Poland's wellhead by the United Nations, and it's been pending before the United Nations for three years.
02:41:24.000Money transfer tax, internet tax, which also brings control of the UN, NATO, Army, and World Court.
02:41:32.000Well, their favorite, though, seems to be tax on oil at the wellhead.
02:41:52.000A proposal for a direct tax by the UN on oil and barrel head has been pending for the United Nations for three years.
02:41:59.000You have not read about it in the mainstream media for obvious reasons.
02:42:03.000And, let's see, one of the guys was saying that Well, I have to find the item.
02:42:12.000You don't have to find the individual.
02:42:15.000One of the Bilderberg guys suggested that we talk to the paperboys in advance and tell them not to stir up any right-wing hysteria and let it solidly pass the UN so that you're paying that tax without knowing it costs just a small fraction of one penny per gallon when it translates from ten cents a barrel.
02:42:35.000But that sets up the taxing authority, the enforcement, and then they can jack it up?
02:42:40.000But as he said, perhaps in three years when the public becomes aware of it, they'll simply say, hey, that's something.
02:42:46.000So they'll be around for three years without us knowing it.
02:42:51.000And for those that just joined us, I've been interviewing Jim for probably seven years, and I've been reading articles he wrote 15, 20 years ago.
02:42:58.000He's been doing this for 25, 26, what is it, 27 years now, Jim?
02:43:43.000And he does this by getting their documents, by having employees get stuff for him, by having employees write notes down and tell him what was said.
02:43:57.000I mean, this is what old-fashioned muckraking that kept this country free did.
02:44:01.000But these bastards own all the major newspapers, so we never hear about it.
02:44:05.000Well, that's a tribute to the late, great Westbrook Tegeler, who first wrote about Bilderberg in 1957.
02:44:11.000He did not know that they call themselves Bilderberg, but he went down, observed these people, based on a telephone tip, down on Jekyll Island, all these luminaries from around the world, and raised the question, what are they doing and why is it secret?
02:44:24.000He wrote two lengthy columns addressing the subject.
02:44:32.000I bet you could get the rights easy and put it in American Free Press.
02:44:35.000Actually, we have, in 1975, we put out a A thing called Spotlight on Bilderberg, which actually grabbed everything that we could find that had ever been printed on the subject.
02:44:48.000It led off, of course, of Pegler's two classic columns, a series of... Well, you should update that and reissue it.
02:46:26.000Uh, it looks like the, uh, uh, Europeans are still saying, uh, don't fight in, uh, Iran, and it appears they seem to think they have to abhor an American not to invade Iran also.
02:47:21.000Yeah, Mr. Jones and staff, thanks for Mr. Rivera and Mr. Tucker.
02:47:24.000I mean, that's back-to-back truth from where I sit.
02:47:29.000Mr. Tucker, how would you compare the environment around these meetings when you first started covering them versus what's going on lately?
02:47:40.000In the early 80s, when I'm the only paperboy there, and I make a reservation at their hotel, and I was able to sit in the bar one evening while the staff is setting up And, uh, paid straight by, uh, for cash so that I don't have any checking out to do.
02:48:03.000And I see one young lady disappear from the table, and the other one disappeared for a moment, uh, for a nose-tiring operation.
02:48:11.000And I was able to walk by and grab the, uh, computerized printout of the participants.
02:48:16.000I could never get away with that now because, uh, as soon as I'm in that hotel, their hotel are checking my own hotel.
02:48:23.000They've got their own, uh, secret server, private security guys.
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02:52:06.000Jim, just real fast, did any other major newspapers that were there covering it, did any of them get any good intel like you got that you were unable to get?
02:52:15.000No, one reporter who took photographs for us Daddy Euston and I, we were the only ones there and we pooled our information as we did last year when there were so many, many reporters.
02:52:30.000We always pool our information because we're not competing.
02:52:32.000We're trying to help each other get the information out.
02:52:40.000In terms of the draft, is that brought up?
02:52:42.000But also, it seems like the revelation of the method thing is more about teaching people, hey, Bilderberg is in charge, and then having a whole other name or group Just like you brought up the gentleman in 57 writing about it, but really it was started in 54.
02:54:05.000I was wondering what either of you thought about the recent closings of so many of our military bases and a follow-up question of if there were any plans that either of you know of for invasion of this country.
02:54:24.000Well, the military closings come up every six years or so, when the Pentagon tries to close down obsolete bases and whatever, and just as predictably, every senator from any state that has a base closing... Yeah, it's really a big side issue.
02:54:40.000Yeah, it's not really an issue on point, it's just a matter of... Pork barrel.
02:54:46.000Yeah, don't close my military base, close the other guy's military base and save money.
02:54:52.000Yeah, and really they're just shifting to a predatory global empire military, where our military isn't even needed.