Alex Jones goes over the CIA spying on the American people and the world, as well as the use of torture and spying by the National Security Agency ( NSA) on American citizens and the rest of the world. Alex Jones also discusses the new film, "The New World Order" by Michael Jackson and Russell Crowe.
00:01:39.000We're going to have a gentleman who worked at the highest levels of the Reagan administration, also inside the NSA, Wayne Madison, coming on.
00:01:49.000To give us really a wide view of just many of the different things that are going on with this high-tech NSA control grid and the latest police state developments as well.
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00:02:11.000I was watching Fox Television a couple days ago, and they had the President of Amnesty International on, They were basically screaming at him, haranguing him, saying, you don't have any proof of torture.
00:02:33.000And the Amnesty International head, Mr. Shultz, Didn't do a very good job of bringing forward the evidence.
00:02:43.000I mean, he didn't say, we have the Attorney General's own memos, when he was Chief Counsel at the White House, saying we can torture people to death, we can strap them to tables and dunk them in water, ordering the military to carry out this.
00:02:56.000He didn't mention all the photos of people beaten to death, or Brigadier General Tagumba's own report of a year and a half ago.
00:03:05.000He didn't mention Brigadier General Rick Baucus quitting, leaving Camp X for refusing to torture.
00:03:10.000He didn't mention a month ago, uh, one of the chief interrogators quitting and saying they were torturing people.
00:03:18.000I mean, but I guess Fox News commentator wouldn't let him get a word in edgewise to begin with, so.
00:03:25.000But I mean, I wish they'd put me on camera.
00:03:28.000I mean, I would skewer those little government pimps.
00:03:33.000And then now WorldNetDaily's got an article about, be like John Wayne, don't apologize to the Muslims.
00:03:58.000People were like, why are you talking about torture so much?
00:04:00.000Because it was going on all over the planet.
00:04:04.000In our government, our illegitimate government has really exported it everywhere and they mean for the rest of the planet to learn of it, but domestically we're not supposed to find out about it.
00:04:14.000Very sophisticated propaganda game we're talking about and we're going to go over it.
00:04:20.000Also, personal data of 3.9 million people lost in transit.
00:04:25.000So that's another big identity theft problem, but that's okay.
00:04:29.000Let's just take microchips and that'll fix it.
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00:04:40.000Hollywood puts the bill for spy cams more on that.
00:04:44.000Tanks rolling around in New York City.
00:05:17.000The film documents dozens of confirmed cases of government-sponsored terrorism worldwide.
00:05:22.000We rip the sinister Patriot Act legislation 1 and 2 apart, piece by piece, and reveal the arrogance of what Ashcroft has to say about your liberty.
00:05:31.000Homeland Security, executive orders, forced vaccinations, the new prison economy, the Total Information Society, the Pan-American Union, federal gun grabs, government-run white slavery rings, and much, much more.
00:05:42.000If you want to understand what the New World Order really is, then my new two and a half hour video, Police Day 3, is for you.
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00:08:02.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
00:08:09.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:12.000We've got John Leadhill, president of Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists, joining us.
00:08:24.000Coming up a little bit later to talk about how our government, our CIA, is basically buying off their best and brightest minds at the universities.
00:08:34.000While they go to school, they are basically CIA officers, they go to CIA secret training camps during the summer, they get all their expenses and tuition paid, and they're not allowed to tell anybody about it.
00:08:47.000And it's the same for a lot of people in the psychology departments, in the engineering departments, and in this country it's almost 90% of all of the actual science graduate students
00:09:02.000Their funding comes from the Defense Department or from allied agencies, DARPA and others, and a large portion of those, we're not sure how many, but a large portion, an ocean of them, are on the NSA, CIA, Defense Intelligence, Department of Education, Department of Transportation, Department of Agriculture, secret payroll!
00:09:27.000Boy, I tell ya, working for the globalists really pays off!
00:09:33.000Meanwhile, the rest of the economy shuts down, but the entire intelligentsia is bought and paid for from the time they even begin to get ready to leave college.
00:11:20.000Just an important little addendum or side note to our Bohemian Grove coverage.
00:11:26.000Up until my infiltration of Bohemian Grove in July of 2000, coming up on the fifth year, five-year anniversary here in a few months, before we snuck in there, there were probably about 30 or 40 news reports going back to turn of the last century, you know, 1905, where it would talk about Howard Taft going there and how the elite of America would meet in a Redwood retreat,
00:11:57.000Presidents and others would travel by train, you know, over a week to get there.
00:12:02.000They would meet under heavy guard in the woods and do bizarre rituals just for fun.
00:12:09.000And there was one photo that had been snuck out during the 1980s of men in red and black robes standing around a big 45 foot stone owl engaging in a mock sacrifice.
00:12:23.000And then I had a few news reports about gay prostitutes being shipped in for them and people running around naked in the woods.
00:12:30.000This was in major publications like Parade Magazine, Spy Magazine, Washington Times, things of that nature.
00:12:38.000So in 2000, myself and Mike Hanson snuck in and we were in there five hours and got the cremation of care ceremony, the kickoff, every July 15th on video.
00:12:50.000There are rituals held every other day during the 15 day encampment from July 15th to July 30th and right on time at dusk they did exactly what we had heard in the legends.
00:13:02.000Well, since then The Grove has gone public.
00:13:06.000They've talked to the Wall Street Journal.
00:13:13.000They released a photo last year for the 100 Greatest Vintage Photos for National Geographic and it said, Mock Human Sacrifice.
00:13:21.000And that's all in a giant archive on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
00:13:29.000About three years ago I was mailed a rare book That we then checked the value of.
00:13:38.000Rare Book Dealers were offering $850 something dollars for it.
00:13:42.000There's only a couple hundred of these printed every ten years for select members or leaders of different camps.
00:13:49.000There's over a hundred camps within this gorge in between two mountains there in Sonoma County, right outside the tiny town of Montereo.
00:14:00.000And since then, we have purchased two additional annals.
00:14:05.000And we have been sent photos about people who purchased others who have scanned them in.
00:14:10.000Then we check with the rare book dealers and do confirm that yes indeed these are authentic.
00:14:17.000So I guess all told we've got either the scans or the actual annals for seven different volumes.
00:14:25.000We have one from 1909 showing a black boy tied down with men standing around him.
00:14:30.000I don't know what they're doing but it looks like It doesn't look like the black boy who looks like he's about age 7 or 8 isn't doing too well.
00:14:42.000But we now have more exclusive photos on PrisonPlanet.com from a reader.
00:14:50.000Hello, I was able to get a copy of volume 6 of the Annals of the Bohemian Club from 1973 to 1987.
00:15:47.000And then we have them all joking as they're dressed up like spies, because that's really what they are.
00:15:51.000I wanted to just read part of this from page 317.
00:16:00.000From the midsummer encampment itself, the oldest camp-related tradition of Bohemia is the ritual of the cremation of care.
00:16:10.000The 15 years encompassed by the annals witness that 100th performance of the rite in which the high priest once again cries, mid-summer sets us free.
00:16:22.000This is from the mid-1980s, so they were saying that was the 100th year.
00:17:25.000Even the protesters at the gate understand the message when they hold up signs reminding Bohemians returning to the city that Dolecare awaits, and await he does.
00:17:35.000So they make a comment about the protesters.
00:17:38.000And I've got video of the protesters doing their own ritual to quote counter them.
00:17:45.000But each summer we burn the in this grove and so far for a little while bohemians are free from dull care and can devote themselves to the pleasures of the grove in the midsummer encampment.
00:17:57.000The cremation of care has become a mixture of two strains In the club, one serious and the other deriding seriousness.
00:18:06.000Some cremations may have been fairly serious, but they have always been characterized as mock ceremonials from the earliest days.
00:18:14.000When the present grove was first used by the club encampment, and I didn't have this when I made Dark Secrets four and a half years ago, inside Bohemian Grove, but I talk about how it is a real ritual, but they have the outer facade for new members.
00:18:33.000When the present grove was first used by the club, encampment were crowded into a single day and the cremation took place in the middle of the celebrations.
00:18:45.000Early grove plays provided a care figure whose besting was the climax of the play and his effigy was escorted down the side or center aisle of the theater to a funeral courtage.
00:18:58.000The courtage of the high priest, attendants, and the entire audience went to a meadow where the lake is now located, and placed the effigy on a great funeral pyre that was filled with sky rockets and Roman candles.
00:19:09.000The mock ritual proceeded there, and when the effigy and the bonfire were lighted, the sky was filled with Bohemian rejoicing.
00:19:16.000The Bohemians of that era must have had a far stronger... I can't even read that, it's blurred, I'm sorry.
00:19:25.000Constituations of the day's members for their outbursts led to the low jinks that was followed in turn by supper perhaps, in reality an early and substantial breakfast.
00:19:38.000Then on to the trains for a quick trip back to town and invariably to care.
00:19:45.000In the last 15 years the use of fireworks at the end of the cremation has become, and then it goes on to say it's a druidic ritual, We'll get to that veritic ritual part when we get back.
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00:24:12.000On page 258... of the annals of the Bohemian Grove...
00:24:21.000From the mid-1970s to the mid-1980s, it shows all the Druidic practitioners around the burning body and the owl, and it says, The summer encampment begins with one of the Bohemia's oldest traditions, the cremation of care, where dull care is banished annually by this mock Druidic rite.
00:24:40.000The ceremony is modified slightly each year by different directors.
00:24:45.000The high priest presides at the owl shrine in this 1976 Now, where do you think plays come from?
00:24:55.000You've got the actors up on stage, you've got the neophytes or the minions, the crowd watching.
00:25:35.000They beat him up and then threatened him to keep his mouth shut.
00:25:38.000A Los Angeles National Laboratory whistleblower who has uncovered irregularities, one of their non-irregularities, involving millions of dollars Of taxpayer money, the government-backed facility was brutally beaten this past weekend.
00:25:51.000According to several news reports, Auditor Tommy Hook, who was investigating all of this corruption, was violently attacked by three or four anonymous assailants who allegedly ordered him to keep quiet.
00:26:04.000That happened to me one time, but they got as good as they gave.
00:26:07.000Hook was scheduled to testify before Congress later this month, but is now in the hospital in very serious condition.
00:26:13.000On Saturday night, Hook went to the Santa Fe bar, essentially to meet a person claiming to be a fellow Los Angeles whistleblower, Los Alamos whistleblower, who called that night.
00:26:22.000Hook's wife sues us that her husband did not frequent bars.
00:26:25.000When the person did not show up, Hook left the bar.
00:26:28.000After consuming two drinks in the parking lot, he was yanked from his car and beaten so badly by three or four men that he had to be taken to intensive care in the local emergency room.
00:26:43.000There's three trillion plus dollars missing from the Pentagon, and when the House Armed Services Committee, when questions are posed, year after year, they just say, we can't talk about it, we're not going to talk about it.
00:26:57.000But you wonder why the globalists want tyranny.
00:27:00.000The big reason is so they can just steal whatever they want, however they want, and so no one can challenge them.
00:27:06.000Meanwhile, they're putting up cameras to see if you're selling ripped-off DVDs, or dropping bubble gum on the ground, or dumping trash, or, you know, smoking pot.
00:27:16.000I've got articles here about cops with night vision all over the streets, looking in your cars from hidden positions, you know.
00:28:17.000One of the largest breaches of data security to date.
00:28:21.000City Financial, the consumer finance subsidiary of Citigroup, announced yesterday that a box of computer tapes containing information on 3.9 million customers was lost by United Parcel Service last month while in transit to a credit reporting agency.
00:28:42.000And then they claim it's a theft, and then push for national ID card control.
00:28:46.000Executives at Citigroup said the tape was picked up by UPS early in May and had not been seen since.
00:28:51.000The tapes contained names, addresses, social security numbers, account numbers, payment histories, and other details on small personal loans made to millions of customers throughout Citi Financial's network of more than 1,800 lending branches or to retailers whose product financing was handled by Citi Financial's retail services division.
00:29:11.000Of course, that has all your personal data and is a big problem.
00:29:16.000And the reason I say it's probably the government, we've caught them in fake thefts of driver's license photos, and then it's the government.
00:29:24.000We've, by, you know, they'll stage this.
00:29:30.000The government will actually approach employees about stealing for them.
00:29:34.000The company said there was no indication that the tapes had been stolen or that any of the data in them had been compromised.
00:29:40.000No, the packages disappeared for months.
00:29:44.000So, uh, that interesting little tidbit.
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00:33:55.000I don't want to use the word stagnant, but we were staying about the same size when it came to broadcast affiliates.
00:34:01.000The internet is roughly doubling every year.
00:34:05.000Internet listeners, and in a short wave, believe it or not, I would say listener-wise, has actually expanded.
00:34:12.000As more and more people learn that we're also on short wave, you can listen anywhere in the world.
00:34:17.000But AM and FM will stand about the same, though it's grown now, because for every station that changes formats or cells, We are gaining new affiliates.
00:34:29.000And then even stations four or five years ago that would pick me up for a year or two and then said, oh, this is too hardcore, this is too unbelievable, dump this guy.
00:34:38.000They're coming back and picking us back up.
00:34:41.000Because the station owners are saying, man, everything you said is coming true, I couldn't believe it.
00:35:38.000That's why you hear other talk show hosts every week on this broadcast.
00:35:43.000That's why you hear all the other Major websites that fight the New World Order on this transmission.
00:35:51.000Anybody who really puts out good info, who cares about freedom, who loves liberty, whether they call themselves conservative or liberal, more and more though people don't use those labels, anybody that's exposing the Patriot Acts, or the open borders, or gun control, You know, we have the border groups on that are trying to control the borders.
00:36:14.000We have the Second Amendment groups on.
00:36:15.000We have the land rights organizations on.
00:36:18.000We have real environmental groups on who are fighting genetic engineering and the toxic waste dumping.
00:36:24.000We fight the phony environmental groups that are out busy stealing private property from the Ford and Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations.
00:36:33.000And so, we're here as a nexus point to try to bring people together.
00:36:45.000I mean, there are egomaniacs out there that attack me on a routine basis, and I'll never have them on this broadcast, as they squeal angrily, attacking everyone under the sun.
00:36:57.000We will have, though, establishment enemies on, if they're big enough caliber, like Benjamin Chertoff of Popular Mechanics, who refuses to come on, because we're going to expose him and his cousin, Michael Chertoff, head of Homeland Security.
00:37:13.000We want to get William F. Jasper on, to find out what his deal is, attacking the 9-11 Truth Movement.
00:37:21.000We want to get all these individuals on, but if they're just purely They're there to sap energy and distract.
00:37:41.000She might be a close second with that police chief up in Bergen County, County Police Chief, who said that he's taking the microchip and if the government orders us all to take microchips, he'll enforce it.
00:37:57.000That guy was right out of the Twilight Zone.
00:38:00.000We're going to go to your calls here in just a few minutes.
00:40:14.000And he would point out that, well, you're flying people to secret countries in your own photographs of torture, and, well, it's not really torture, it's pressure.
00:40:22.000Well, Rumsfeld says, you know, do this, but he wouldn't really let him talk, and I wish I could have been on the show.
00:40:28.000They would have had to just shut me down and turn my microphone off, which I've seen them do to other guests who do put up a fight.
00:40:34.000I would have said, in rapid order, Rumsfeld has been all over television after 9-11 saying we're torturing people, quote, we're, you know, we're taking the gloves off, we're getting our hands dirty, we're pressuring them.
00:40:49.000There have been several hundred admitted deaths of detainees all over the world, and to his credit, Mr. Schultz did mention that.
00:40:58.000Alberto Gonzalez, when he was Chief Counsel to the President, now Attorney General, in five different memos, there's a total of ten, but five are really bad, said, we can pressure someone until they die and have organ failure, but if we didn't mean to kill them, it's not torture.
00:41:17.000So I guess semantically, killing somebody isn't even torture, so you can, again, semantically change what the word means and then claim we're not torturing.
00:41:25.000He could have brought up Gonzales describing boiling people, pulling fingernails out, placing them on a table and sliding their head up their shoulders in excrement into urine.
00:41:40.000The Army's own reports have come out in the last three months, more this weekend, of the Army admitting urinating and defecating on Korans, as I told you months ago.
00:41:50.000But no, they didn't flush it down the toilet!
00:41:53.000Newsweek's problem was, in the translation, they said that they toileted it, and that's the Muslim term.
00:41:59.000They're even ashamed of body function, so they just say, they said the Koran was involved with toilet functions.
00:42:07.000And then, Newsweek, on purpose, by the way, the former top Newsweek executive is going to be a propagandist for Bush.
00:43:05.000He's a Filipino-American, and he went and did the report for the Pentagon, and interviewed those involved, and they've admitted to it.
00:43:14.000They were ordered to torture people, and beat them to death, and rape them severely, and use acid on them, and other things we won't mention here.
00:43:21.000So I would have rattled off Brigadier General Rick Baucus, interrogators quitting refusing to torture, the admissions, the convictions, Alberto Gonzales' own memos.
00:43:34.000They put up all these straw men on TV and in the newspaper.
00:43:40.000I mean, why didn't Shultz bring up the Deputy CIA Director, the Section Chief, In a January 2002 issue of the Washington Post saying, we fly them out to Egypt and to Jordan where we torture them and their families in front of them.
00:45:25.000It's this mentality of we're evil and need to be tortured because torture's good!
00:45:29.000All these weak-minded people, all these weak-minded police watch these pop shows where the hero tortures people every episode and they identify with that and so there's no real terrorists and when they go out in the real world they end up torturing your wife.
00:45:45.000Or cutting your wife's finger off at a DUI checkpoint in Detroit.
00:46:57.000The de-evolution was most apparent years ago when Amnesty International listed the United States as a major violator of human rights because it executed murderers.
00:47:07.000Well, that's apples and oranges, folks.
00:47:10.000They also listed us because of the death squads being trained up there at the School of America.
00:47:16.000Fort Benning George and the organization Inability to morally distinguish between executing murderers and executing innocent people means that Amnesty International is worse than ineffectual.
00:47:26.000The good it has done, notwithstanding, it is becoming harmful to the cause of human rights.
00:48:27.000And it just goes on and on, but the sickest article is another one on World Net Daily, who I happen to think is better than some of the other neocon publications like Newsmax.
00:48:35.000I mean, they got some good stuff in here.
00:48:38.000But this kind of stuff makes me really ashamed to even be associated with them.
00:48:43.000Bush urged never to apologize to Muslims.
00:48:45.000Administration officially reported uh... and uh... inspired by official but by classic john wayne movie she wore a yellow ribbon and it says john wayne says never apologize to the indians because they'll just that shows weakness and bush who's a fake texan who loves to act like a fake texan loves to act like a texan he is obsessed with high noon and and and and other movies yeah i mean that shows how delusional he is folks
00:49:16.000And, uh, so this... things are being governed... And again, I like John Wayne.
00:49:23.000John Wayne doesn't like big government or gun control or torture.
00:49:27.000The article goes on, so cross your fingers, he takes the movie and the message to heart, the day the President of the United States announces that Muslims owe an apology to us, and not the other way around, will be the day that we truly begin to win this war.
00:49:46.000Over at WorldNetDaily, because nobody put their name to this article.
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00:54:15.000He worked at the National Security Agency.
00:54:19.000Regina, Robert, Jeff, Fred, and others.
00:54:22.000We'll start making your calls here in a few minutes, and then go a little bit into the next hour with them, and then get to your calls early with our guest.
00:54:27.000But just very briefly, I want to thank everybody that came out to the double showings of my new film, Martial Law, last Friday night here in Austin, Texas.
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00:54:51.000I'm sorry that over a hundred people got turned away in between the two showings.
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00:55:31.000I really look forward to seeing you and it was just a lot of fun.
00:55:37.000I underestimated how many people would show up so we should have had more showings and we would have but you've got to schedule these weeks out so the earliest we can do it is next Thursday again.
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00:57:09.000Hey, uh, Ann Coulter, please don't give us a headache with her again.
00:57:12.000She made it very clear that the lady is not a very deep thinker and she'll waste our time.
00:57:17.000Yeah, she's written a book about how the Patriot Act's good, and I said, what about Section 802?
00:57:21.000And she said, I haven't read the Patriot Act.
00:57:23.000So, you know, she gets enough play everywhere, Alex.
00:57:25.000Please don't, you know, these, you have listeners that are working towards Educating themselves.
00:57:30.000Please don't let us be drained by her.
00:57:32.000No, but listen, she woke a lot of people up.
00:57:34.000I mean, to hear that she writes books about stuff she hasn't read... But I know it now, Alex, and I want to hear you, and how about Will Christensen, National Vice Chair of the Independent American Party, or John Hamill, who's fighting tooth and nail to try to get Kodak's elementaries stopped, and has put out an alert, along with the Liberty Committee, putting out an alert to Support Ron Paul's H.J.
00:57:57.000Resolution 27 to stop the authority over us of the WTO.
00:58:01.000Yeah, for those that don't know, they're basically going to regulate and make Vitamins prescription and I'll get him on.
01:00:12.000Just give us the other phone number and info.
01:00:15.000Okay, the other thing is that House Resolution 282, which is supposed to be coming up today, and this is supposed to express the intent of Congress to allow the United Nations to regulate anti-Semitic speech that our national leaders You know, all over the world would say or do.
01:00:35.000So you can see how... Yeah, a global hate crime speech crime code, I'm aware of that.
01:00:41.000And, well, I mean, out in California they're trying to pass a law that if you speak out against the open borders, you'll be arrested and then put in a database.
01:00:57.000And I'll fight to the death for your right to say that Jews are blood-drinking vampires, or that Germans are blood-drinking vampires.
01:01:05.000I may not agree with that, but still, I believe you have that right.
01:01:08.000Yeah, but that can be, you know, misinterpreted, too, like it's in... Well, now criticizing any Israeli policy, the ADL wants you arrested.
01:01:16.000They are an un-American terrorist organization.
01:02:17.000I don't know if you talked about it or not already.
01:02:19.000If you have, I apologize for repeating it, but as you know, yesterday the Supreme Court ruled that states cannot allow doctors to give up marijuana for medical uses, and I was wondering what your feeling was on that.
01:02:32.000Marijuana has incredible, HTC, has incredible Health benefits for glaucoma, for nausea with people that can't hold food down who are going through chemotherapy.
01:02:49.000I mean, George Washington smoked marijuana.
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01:06:53.000He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:07:01.000Alright, 8 minutes and 10 seconds into this second hour.
01:07:05.000We're about to go to Wayne Madison, who's an investigative journalist nationally.
01:07:10.000Distributed columnist and author who has covered Washington D.C.
01:07:15.000politics, national security, intelligence issues.
01:07:18.000Since 94, of course, Madison is a former U.S.
01:07:21.000Naval officer who was assigned the National Security Agency during a Reagan administration.
01:07:26.000He also has some 20 years experience in computer security and data privacy.
01:07:32.000He has also worked for the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation and Computer Sciences Corporation.
01:07:43.000I know you've been holding and I end up covering so much news in the first hour.
01:07:46.000We go to great callers like Regina, who's got all these important bills.
01:07:51.000And then I try to hurry her up so we could get to Robert, and then we cut Robert short.
01:07:55.000Robert, finishing up real fast as our guest is holding.
01:07:59.000Yeah, the Supreme Court, the federal government, they need to arrest our children to put them in their private prisons.
01:08:06.000So they can work for 20 cents an hour building widgets.
01:08:09.000Marijuana is far less damaging, I think it is bad, when used in excess, than alcohol, though.
01:08:18.000Alcohol causes, what, four times the deaths of all other illegal drugs combined.
01:08:23.000Prescription drugs cause even more deaths than alcohol.
01:08:26.000That's the official numbers in federal studies.
01:08:30.000and uh... there are incredible medical attributes of marijuana for glaucoma for people that are nauseated and can't eat uh... because of chemotherapy or people that have bad ulcers there are hundreds of uses for THC and uh... but don't look for the government to ever allow decriminalization because they need to make things that should be legal illegal as a pretext to put you in prison
01:08:55.000And for all the people out there that hate marijuana, you hate George Washington, because George Washington, it's in major publications and history books, did occasionally smoke a little marijuana.
01:09:06.000It was grown right out in the herb gardens all over the thirteen colonies.
01:09:12.000And if you had a headache or you were nauseous, it was in the medical books to take a pull off some weed, as they called it.
01:10:04.000When their competition got too great, when opium was on all the store shelves, Lawdom, they banned it, controlled the police forces, and went after their competition.
01:11:09.000You know, there's no way to do your great career, a career of conscience, justice.
01:11:14.000So, in a nutshell, can you tell us about yourself?
01:11:18.000Well, I've been working in a lot of various agencies over the years, from the National Security Agency, to the State Department, to various other, working with various other federal agencies, including one short stint as a temporary agent for the FBI way back in the 80s.
01:11:39.000So I've seen a lot of this from the inside.
01:11:41.000And now, on the outside looking in, I can understand why There are several people in the government who are very frustrated about what's going on with this particular administration, and I think they really do see what the agenda is, that it's to Basically gut the U.S.
01:12:05.000So we come up, instead of coming up with people who say, no, there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, you'll have just a bunch of people who shake their heads yes and will cook the books for this administration in coming up with any intelligence base special order.
01:12:22.000So we'll have Mr. Negroponte, the Death Squad architect, with Abu Ghraib, and of course, Camp X-Ray architect, Gonzales, and Chertoff and this whole gaggle of psychopathic criminals, and I'll say that, where it'll just be Negroponte saying, yes, Iran's got nuclear weapons, they're about to kill us.
01:12:44.000That's right, and we see that one congressman right now, Kurt Weldon from Pennsylvania, has got a book coming out where he's saying that he was tipped off about 9-11 beforehand, but he says, wait a minute, it's not Al Qaeda that's a threat, it's Iran.
01:12:57.000I mean, these people will change According to, you know, whatever the prevailing perception management dictate of the day says to them, and we see that again with this Weldon book, which is out, but certainly he's not the only one.
01:13:15.000We have this guy, John Bolton, who they want to send to the United Nations.
01:13:21.000This guy, Bolton, is probably the worst possible person.
01:13:26.000I would make mention of the fact that back Back when the U.N.
01:13:29.000Security Council was meeting on whether to approve this U.S.
01:13:33.000resolution authorizing the attack on Iraq, that Bolton Negroponte and then head of NSA, General Michael Hayden, All were cooperating and bugging the members of the U.N.
01:13:47.000Their telephones, their cell phones, their email.
01:13:50.000And now we have one of those individuals who was bugged, the former Mexican ambassador to the U.N., who was quite upset with this and took on the United States and the Bush administration.
01:14:00.000Said, look, you just won our vote because you treat Mexico like it's your backyard.
01:14:04.000Well, this former ambassador who was fired because of his statements about the Bush administration, Adolfo Aguiar-Zinzer, he died the other day in an automobile accident in central Mexico.
01:14:17.000So here we have another one of these dead bodies of somebody who took on of the bush administration he joins uh...
01:14:25.000of course doctor david kelly the british uh...
01:14:27.000scientist who said there were no uh...
01:14:30.000that now wm d i mean told the british and american colleagues who separate ones i don't shut up i'll be found dead in the woods they told me well that's right and there's a mystery well that's right we have we have i read the top iraqi analyst at the state department john cook all who who who briefed colin powell at least once a week on on iraq who who worked in the uh... bureau of intelligence and research
01:14:52.000His boss was Carl Ford, who of course said to the Senate that Bolton is a quintessential kiss up, kick down kind of guy and said he does not have my recommendation to go to the U.N.
01:15:06.000Cookle apparently took on this guy Bolton and they said he jumped off the roof of the State Department, which of course is impossible since the roof of the State Department is secured.
01:15:37.000I mean, Alberto Gonzales, if it came out they threw him off the roof, would probably say that's not even torture.
01:15:42.000He says killing somebody isn't even torture.
01:15:44.000And we have a former CIA official, Gus Weiss, who just a few weeks after Cockel does a swan dive, off the state department they say he just he takes a similar swan dive off of the uh... watergate which is only a couple of blocks from the state department uh...
01:15:59.000the thing that makes white interesting is that he was a colleague of the neocons like pearl and what the which when he was working in henry scoop jackson's office back in the seventies but he came out in a very vocal way in and and very uncharacteristic way and and and and said look this this this war against iraq is that it will be a change in happen So we see two people who came out who were opposed to the war.
01:16:21.000Why hasn't Cynthia McKinney fallen off a roof yet?
01:16:23.000I mean, she's brought up the trillions missing from the Pentagon.
01:16:26.000Well, I know Cynthia, and I'll tell you, she's one smart person, and she knows how to take care of herself and defend herself.
01:16:34.000So I have a lot of confidence that she knows what's going on.
01:16:53.000I have no problems with, you know, no ballooning mortgage payments, no terminal illnesses, so nothing that they might say and say, well, he was depressed over this, that, and the other thing.
01:17:05.000And I'm also very much afraid of heights.
01:17:52.000But then someone we can trust tells us it was an accident.
01:17:55.000Well, I'll tell you, sir, we're about to break.
01:17:59.000What are some of the key issues you want to go over?
01:18:02.000Well, I think what's happening at the National Security Agency and the CIA and the other intelligence agencies is a real catastrophe that these neocons who are infiltrating these agencies They are now firing people because they just want to get rid of anybody who has been in the past.
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01:22:52.000We're talking to Wayne Madison, author, syndicated columnist, working inside the NSA and the Reagan administration.
01:23:13.000Wayne, what do you see on the horizon for Iran?
01:23:16.000I mean, a lot of people are saying, well, they won't be able to invade Iran.
01:23:19.000People are wise to them, but they seem to be so arrogant.
01:23:24.000I see two fronts in this administration, which really shouldn't come as any shock, that we have people with two different policies.
01:23:35.000One, of course, are the neocons that want any reason to attack Iran.
01:23:40.000And if we think Iraq is a bloodbath, wait until we go into Iran, which is a very mountainous country, has a larger population than Iraq, and the people there are not Arabs, of course.
01:23:55.000I think some of the neocons may You may get that confused.
01:24:08.000And they will probably bloody our nose to a... even a... is being bloodied right now in Iraq.
01:24:16.000But then there's an election coming up in Iran for president to replace the moderate President Haqqani.
01:24:25.000And the person who is apparently leading in that race is the guy who used to be president, was the speaker of the Iranian parliament back when the hostages were held in our embassy, and that's Mr. Rafsanjani, who apparently now has
01:24:40.000Moderated his tone to the point where he says, well, wait a minute, maybe I can deal with some privatization of the Iranian oil industry and, you know, he's talking trade and joining the World Trade Organization, a whole bunch of other things that, of course, to some people in this administration, the people who like to make lots and lots of money, that seems to be a pretty, like a pretty good deal for them.
01:25:04.000So we have, we have sort of the political neocons now fighting The economic neocons over what is the best way to approach Iran because if it's true that Ross and Johnny agreeing to all of this opening up of Iran's economy, the economic neocons of course would like to see that happen.
01:25:27.000Now, Mr. Madison, we've been talking a lot about fake documents, fake Niger documents, fake finds of weapons of mass destruction buried under rose bushes.
01:25:44.000We interviewed him, and he shocked me.
01:25:45.000I said, well, I don't see them having the political will right now to go into Iran, but what if the military-industrial complex stages a terror attack in the United States or overseas?
01:25:58.000And he said that is a very real threat.
01:26:02.000Well, I think he's right, because when I talk about the political neocons, of course I'm including in that some of these people who are fundamentalist This guy, Kurt Weldon, who's now arguing that Al-Qaeda is not the biggest threat to the United States, but Iran is.
01:26:34.000But a guy like Weldon, who apparently was present at this coronation of Sung Young Moon last year in the Senate Dirksen building, I mean, a lot of this is obviously coming from people like Moon and some of these a lot of this is obviously coming from people like Moon and some of these other crazies who think that it's somehow Now, I want to be clear, though.
01:27:31.000I mean, the guy's a total nutcase, but the problem is he's very powerful inside the Republican Party.
01:27:38.000And when he can have a coronation and draw people like Kurt Weldon, who then puts out a book saying it's not Al-Qaeda that's the biggest threat to the United States, but it's Iran, there you see that this cult, I think we should call it a cult.
01:27:52.000For those that don't know, folks, these are the Moonies.
01:28:00.000They used to... I first encountered them in college back in the early seventies when they tried to get unsuspecting students to attend these suppers.
01:28:11.000And of course, like any starving college kid, the idea of a free meal is pretty attractive.
01:28:18.000But unfortunately, a lot of people got tied up with this bunch and still are.
01:28:23.000Well, let's get into the NSA and let's get into Mr. Rove, and just a whole host of issues when we get back.
01:28:31.000And we'll take some phone calls at 1-800-259-9231.
01:28:35.000We'll be right back with our guest, Wayne Madison.
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01:32:53.000It's clear that criminals have taken control of the government and are simply setting up a police state to then protect themselves from the public if we ever wake up to it.
01:33:07.000Well, that's something I could talk about for hours and hours.
01:33:15.000I always go back and read some of what our founding fathers and mothers wrote during the revolution, and I really think that we need to go back to basics here and look at what these, as you rightly call them, criminals.
01:33:30.000The only difference between the Bushes and the Sopranos is the Sopranos serve a better dinner.
01:33:36.000The Italian food is pretty good in the Soprano house.
01:33:42.000I don't think pork rinds and pretzels at the Bushes is anything to compare with that.
01:33:48.000But anyway, I really think that when I have people at the National Security Agency coming to me Essentially as whistleblowers and saying that their rights are being infringed upon, their privacy is being invaded.
01:34:01.000Then I think people can understand how bad things have gotten in this country.
01:34:06.000Well, that was in the first Patriot Act, going after whistleblower protection.
01:34:17.000Well, basically what's going on at the National Security Agency is that the employees who are being fired for the least little thing are are being told by security up there, which is basically the security at NSA is working hand in glove with the people like Rumsfeld.
01:34:39.000This is like the Stasi, KGB, and Gestapo all mixed up into one.
01:34:43.000And what they're being told is, look, if you talk to a member of Congress, which is their right, if you talk to a member of the press, we're going to find something on you, we're going to fire you.
01:34:54.000And this has happened to quite a few people.
01:34:56.000Now, that's how it's going on at the, what's happening at the NSA.
01:35:00.000Now, over at the CIA, They're firing people basically because of policy differences going back to the pre-war intelligence.
01:35:07.000Tell them, make up lies or you're gone!
01:35:10.000See, at NSA you've got more of a technical group of people there that don't, they don't by and large get involved in too many policy issues.
01:35:17.000Yeah, data collection, the CIA then is pouring over.
01:35:29.000As you mentioned, Echelon and systems like it to do that.
01:35:33.000And so what they're doing, how they're purging NSA is basically on trivia, on administrative issues.
01:35:40.000You know, if you step out of line, well that's enough for us to go after you.
01:35:44.000Whereas at the CIA, because they are involved in more policy issues, they're using policy differences with the Bush administration to get rid of them.
01:35:52.000The same thing is going on at the Defense Intelligence Agency and has been for Quite some time.
01:35:56.000So what we're seeing, we're seeing a purge of the intelligence agencies in this country.
01:36:01.000People who have years and years of experience in foreign languages, experience with other countries, and key people in those countries, and all sorts of different intelligence gathering systems.
01:36:18.000They're all being purged because they're considered to be a threat to this, whatever world order or national order Now, bottom line from all your research and study, and obviously Bush and his minions are just puppets of the military industrial complex, they're just mid-level minions as well, but what type of world Are you on a cordless phone?
01:36:58.000What type of world are they trying to build?
01:37:01.000I mean, if they had their wish list, if they could have whatever they wanted from all the evidence of what they're doing, what would that be?
01:37:06.000Well, I think it's a world where a few corporations, corporations that they control basically, you know, They call the shots.
01:37:17.000National parliaments and legislatures are meaningless.
01:37:20.000Organizations like the United Nations and others are just subservient.
01:37:24.000And of course individual rights are way out the window.
01:37:28.000I think what they're talking about is some sort of massive corporate state.
01:37:34.000Sort of what we've seen with Franco in Spain and Pinochet in Chile and of course the system that Joe Stalin ran in Soviet Russia.
01:37:46.000But even the so-called UN was founded by the U.S.
01:38:08.000And I just think that the reason Bush wants a senator like Bolton to the United Nations, of course, is that Bolton will try to fire everybody up there, as what we see happening at the CIA and the State Department and NSA, get a bunch of international civil as what we see happening at the CIA and the State Department and NSA, Totally subservient to the Bush agenda.
01:38:39.000He's a surrogate member of the family according to the Boston Globe.
01:38:44.000And we're now hearing in the press that the Bush's may support Clinton as Secretary General and that they've already lined up seven of the G8 if Kofi Annan leaves in the next year.
01:38:54.000Do you think there's anything to that?
01:38:55.000Well, that would be a real sea change for the United Nations because there's always been sort of an unwritten policy that That the Secretary General not come from one of the permanent members of the Security Council.
01:39:06.000So if that in fact happens, whether it's Clinton or any other American, would be a real change for the United Nations since its foundation in 1946.
01:39:18.000So I think that would be another indication that we may see the UN become nothing more than a rubber stamp for Not the United States, because I think the United States and the Bush Administration are two different entities.
01:39:33.000just become another tool for these international corporatists.
01:39:39.000And for those that don't know, I mean, Bush really is just a viceroy over one of the empire's plantations that happens to raise a lot of the armies and troops for this whole system.
01:39:50.000And again, when we say corporation, these are bigger than governments.
01:39:57.000They go in with death squads, say in Africa, if somebody isn't giving them a diamond monopoly, and kill everybody, and then they brag about it.
01:40:08.000So when we hear about free markets and the free trade area, the Americas and Central America, free trade area, NAFTA and all, world trade stuff, this is just trying to get things right for when these multi-national corporations basically take over.
01:40:28.000And this is why we see the anti-globalization movement.
01:40:31.000Now, you know, we had this Rejection by the French and the Dutch of the European Constitution.
01:40:38.000Now a lot of that had to do with domestic politics, but one thing that is common to both the Netherlands and France is there was a reaction in both countries against the idea that Europe will be expanding to the Iranian border if these people have it their way.
01:40:52.000And that was never the intention of the people who founded the European Community and then the European Union.
01:40:58.000Well, that's not what they told the people, but we've got the Bilderberg Group documents.
01:41:03.000And so the same financial, and I pointed this out, Wayne, the same people that own and run Europe are in bed with the people here.
01:41:11.000They just act like there's this good cop, bad cop fight going on to give the illusion of a bipolar world.
01:41:16.000What do you think of people like Thomas Barnett at the Naval War College who openly gets up on C-SPAN and says, we work for global corporations, this is a one world government, we're going to attack all these third world countries.
01:41:30.000I mean, they're just right out in the open with it.
01:41:32.000Well they are, and I would recommend it to people.
01:41:37.000Marine Corps General Smedley Butler talked about this back in the 1930s saying he was just nothing more than a foot soldier for the United Fruit Company.
01:41:45.000They tried to hire him to overthrow the U.S. government.
01:41:48.000They tried to hire him to overthrow Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the constitutionally elected president of the United States, in a coup d'etat.
01:41:55.000And he rejected them and then went public with it.
01:41:58.000And, of course, his testimony was held in secrecy by the U.S. Constitution.
01:42:03.000Congress, I think, up until the 1970s.
01:42:05.000Yeah, that was the McCormick-Dickstein Committee.
01:42:11.000I think we've been running, you know, look at Bush is going after everything that Roosevelt I'm trying to put in with the New Deal and all the other social safety nets that were implemented by Roosevelt.
01:42:25.000These guys are trying to get rid of him.
01:42:26.000Well, to be clear, I was no fan of Roosevelt, but it just shows this particular crowd who was funding Hitler was trying to throw him out and set up their own little dictatorship.
01:42:35.000But Roosevelt and his whole crowd, the way this works is they get everything socialized, get us dependent, And then, once they've grown the government big enough, they just hand the government over to private corporations and they become the government.
01:42:50.000It's interesting that one of the people back in those days who, of course, was so much opposed to Roosevelt and probably silently, with a wink and a nod, was saying to these coup plotters, yeah, that's a good idea.
01:43:05.000Because a lot of it came out of Connecticut, uh, was Prescott Bush, who we know was the grandfather of the current president and father of George H.W.
01:43:12.000In fact, I just put a new film out covering this.
01:43:14.000He worked for the Nazi company that was behind all this.
01:43:17.000But for those that just joined us and don't realize what we're facing, this isn't a joke.
01:43:22.000I have the hearings with Oliver North in the mid-80s in the joint session there.
01:43:28.000Well, you know, the Iran contract people are back in charge.
01:43:31.000Congressman Jack Brooks brings up, I read the Miami Papers of a plan to have a martial law and to put Americans in camp.
01:43:47.000I mean, it seems like they're always trying to get this.
01:43:50.000Well, you know, the Iran-Contra people are back in charge.
01:43:53.000The only guy I don't think is working for the government is Oliver North.
01:43:57.000But you look around, you've got Elliot Abrams.
01:44:00.000he's working in the national security council.
01:44:03.000You've got all these others who are involved.
01:44:05.000They tried to have the five-time convicted felon, Poindexter.
01:44:08.000Poindexter, Total Information Awareness System, and then even go back to Watergate, you still have some of these people.
01:44:17.000walking around, many of them who serve time in prison are felons, are now saying this guy, Mark Feldo, he's a criminal, he's a traitor to his nation.
01:44:29.000So it's almost like if you serve time in prison or you were indicted, now you're being put up on a pedestal, which I can only think is part of this Bush administration mantra of if you violate the Constitution and you go to prison for it, then somehow you're a hero.
01:44:47.000But the Democrats are totally mom on this, and many of them are involved as well.
01:44:52.000Oh, they've been, yeah, many of these Democrats.
01:44:54.000I mean, look at the number of Democrats who supported this illegal war in Iraq.
01:44:57.000I mean, you've got John Kerry, I voted for it before I voted against it, or against it before I voted for it.
01:45:04.000You've got Joe Biden, whose rhetoric sounds good today, but he was one of the big champions to go into Iraq.
01:45:11.000So, yeah, you've got Joe Lieberman, who really should have an R next to his name instead of a D.
01:45:19.000Yeah, a lot of these Democrats are, you know, they hold their finger up.
01:45:26.000And I see it living in his town in Washington.
01:45:28.000They'll hold their finger up and see which way the wind's blowing.
01:45:31.000And that's the way they'll go politically.
01:45:34.000But at least in the case of Howard Dean, now they're going after him because he's telling the truth.
01:45:38.000He's not accepting it, and he never did.
01:45:46.000I don't want to hear from Republicans that, oh, Dean's bad, he's anti-gun, probe, and border, because he is bad because of that, but Bush is for all that and more.
01:45:55.000I mean, this is the insanity, Mr. Madsen, is that Bush is not a conservative, the biggest federal budget ever, out Clinton and Clinton on the score of issues, But one talk show host calls them Kool-Aid drinkers.
01:46:10.000These so-called conservatives are not really conservative.
01:46:13.000I mean, if you look at what they're doing, I mean, the idea of nation-building.
01:46:16.000But Bush spoke to the OAS meeting in Miami the other day, and he said he thinks the United States should, you know, actively go into countries in Latin America Uh, where we don't agree with the type of government that they have.
01:46:30.000Well, bottom line, bottom line, sir, where do you see all this going?
01:46:35.000I mean, where are they having victories?
01:46:40.000Well, I don't see, I see the status quo going on, you know, the bickering in Congress up until the congressional When we see those congressional elections, I think what we're going to see, I think we're going to see Democrats do quite well, and I think we're going to see a two-year lame-duck presidency of George W. Bush, and I think we'll see some of our commitments overseas, some of our troops coming back.
01:47:10.000They can't come back soon enough from Iraq, as far as I'm concerned, but I think we're going to see a movement away from nation-building, away from this Tax Americana, this American empire that these peanackers, these Project for New American Century people have been pushing, I think we're going to see a real rejection at the polls.
01:47:28.000If the election is conducted fairly, that's a big if, but I think we'll see a big rejection of their policies next year.
01:47:35.000But as you said, the Democrats are all in league and owned by the same big foundations and corporations.
01:47:40.000I don't... Well, you know, I look at a place like Connecticut where the Democrats have just about had it with Joe Lieberman.
01:47:47.000They're talking about running somebody against him in the primary.
01:47:49.000They're saying, let's run a real Democrat against Lieberman.
01:48:56.000Basically, it was a way for the government to completely cloud the issue of George Bush's relationship to the Saudis And it was very confusing.
01:49:14.000So it was a fiction program legitimizing the Bush-Bin Laden connection?
01:49:20.000It was minimizing it to a point where they were saying that there was none.
01:49:24.000For those that don't know, there's more propaganda in fiction TV shows than there is on the news.
01:49:31.000Well, that's right, and you know, we saw that with this last election where Carl Rowe, we mentioned him briefly, was putting a lot of pressure on Hollywood to come out with propaganda-type shows, and we've seen a lot of these.
01:49:44.000Well, he met with the Motion Picture Association of America.
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01:53:53.000Going back to our guest, Wayne Madsen, and then we'll go back to Jeff and then Fred and then Kim and maybe hold the guests over five minutes in the next hour so we can finish up with calls.
01:54:05.000But, Mr. Madsen, you've written a lot of really great books, but any in particular you'd like to tell us about?
01:54:14.000Well, I've got a forthcoming book called Jaded Taz, Big Oil, Black Ops, and Brass Plates, and that has a lot to do with the oil industry and how they're part and parcel of these private military contractors that we see so active and that has a lot to do with the oil industry and how You know, there's $8 billion missing.
01:54:36.000From Iraq, and I would suggest that a lot of that wound up in the hands of these very... No!
01:55:16.000Actually, I even heard that Richard Secord, talking about a blast from the past, Iran Contra, he's been cited several times in the lobby of the Sheraton Hotel in Tashkent in Uzbekistan.
01:55:29.000So see, we've got this whole crowd is back together again.
01:55:33.000think 9/11 has been pretty good business for these folks Wayne Madsen report comms the website finish up Jeff what you were saying well I just was very concerned because it seems that effect has been pumping out some serious propaganda lately they've got a Iraq thing coming out soon called over there and I watched oil storm and I'm you know I know about you and everything that you talk about and I I was even confused in the beginning as to whether or not it was reality.
01:56:03.000Then with the painstaking effort to make that look as real as possible, even the film footage had courtesy of this TV station on it.
01:56:17.000There are hundreds of dramas now that are meant to look real, and they're not real to confuse the dumbed-down public.
01:56:26.000I mean, Wayne Madsen, if we've got $242 million just for one federal program and fake newscasts, we're talking about big money here.
01:56:34.000Well, we are, and you know, I can relate a story I heard from a pretty well-known person here in Washington who was speaking to a high-level White House official, and I can't say whether that official was Karl Rove, If I had to bet money on it, I'd say it was because of what the person said.
01:56:49.000He said, look, the United States basically controls the world right now.
01:56:53.000The Bush administration has control over the world's media.
01:58:12.000Author, of course, syndicated columnist who worked at the National Security Agency via the Navy or the Reagan administration just exposing the nightmare system we're facing.
01:58:23.000And we're going to take a few final calls for Wayne Madsen, WayneMadsenReport.com.
01:58:29.000Let's go ahead and talk to Fred in Pennsylvania.
01:58:34.000Wayne, I want to ask you, don't you think at this political system with these big candidates that I can't stomach, like Hillary Clinton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bill Clinton for Secretary General. Bill Clinton for Secretary General.
01:58:52.000It's part of the disease that's really all around us because people like the Clintons have already been completely confused.
01:59:05.000Absolutely discredited, the bribery, the repression and violence.
01:59:26.000Certainly some of the things I saw in the Clinton administration with what they did in Africa, for example, the failure to get involved in that terrible Holocaust in Rwanda, which then spread into the Congo, and what we saw with the attack on Yugoslavia.
01:59:43.000Now they're talking about Hillary taking over from Bush, and then we'll have eight years of Hillary, and then another Bush.
02:00:09.000He actually cares enough to yell and scream about what's going on in this country.
02:00:13.000I wish more people would yell and scream.
02:00:16.000I don't agree with him on the Second Amendment and stuff, but I don't agree with Bush either, but yeah, I mean, our founding fathers yelled and screamed.
02:00:23.000Oh, we're not supposed to yell and scream.
02:01:08.000We've not only got the real memos like Downing Street, we've got all these fake things running around like the Niger documents, the forged documents, the kind of stuff they tried to stick George Galloway with.
02:01:20.000When in fact, that was a big smokescreen, as he said, and a bigger smokescreen is that some of this Iraqi oil during the embargo was going to Enron and Cook Industries, which is a family tied up with the Bushes.
02:01:33.000They're the very people doing it and Halliburton selling oil-filled equipment.
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02:06:17.000Of June 2005, Professor John Gledhill, President of Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists, is going to be on with us in just one moment, covering this subject.
02:06:49.000The Pat Roberts Intelligence Scholars Program pays anthropology students, whose names are not disclosed, upwards of $50,000 a year, 27,500 pounds a year.
02:07:02.000They're expected to use the techniques of fieldwork to gather political and cultural details on other countries.
02:07:08.000Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists called the scholarships ethically dangerous and divisive.
02:08:33.000And they have to have secret summer meetings with the CIA at summer camps.
02:08:37.000They're basically being taught to be spies.
02:08:39.000This is going to get a lot of anthropologists killed.
02:08:42.000Not to mention control a whole society, you know, the whole next wave of anthropologists.
02:08:50.000Which I think is one of the most important fields out there.
02:08:53.000I'm not an anthropologist, though in my leisure I do read a lot of psychology and a lot of anthropological work out there on the subject because I find it to be just a very revealing science and just spot on with so much of the work that's out there to understand.
02:09:12.000And the social architects understand this and to build this worldwide prison state, they've got to do it.
02:09:19.000Thousands of members of the press are CIA officers.
02:09:21.000Most are major editors in this country.
02:09:25.000And then many others are paid off by the Department of Education, Department of Transportation, Department of Health and Human Services, Defense Intelligence, NSA, CIA.
02:10:31.000I mean, obviously this particular program seems to be only part of a broader pattern, and I gather that From what we're learning now that there are other kinds of funding programs being generated by other agencies as well.
02:10:47.000Of course, particularly for those of us abroad, I mean, this is all very, very obscure.
02:10:52.000Of course, we do have American students coming here to study because it's all focused on individual students.
02:11:02.000We've no way of knowing who anybody is, basically.
02:11:06.000I mean, they're basically becoming CIA employees!
02:11:09.000Yes, one of the things that interested me in some work that an American colleague was doing on this was, obviously as part of their anthropology training, they will be trained in research ethics, I mean, or anthropology.
02:11:23.000These programs place a lot of attention on ethical questions and your responsibilities to your research subjects and how to do research and inform, consent in the research process, these kinds of issues.
02:11:37.000It appears that if they got cold feet and decided they didn't really feel happy with their their chosen career, they might well have to pay back a lot more even on the $50,000 they were getting in the grant.
02:11:51.000Yeah, they're going to be bought and paid for for life.
02:11:56.000I mean, obviously our concern most of all is with the responsibilities we have to the people we study.
02:12:07.000Why does the CIA on the surface, I mean I have it here in the article, but from your view, your detailed view as the president of the organization opposing this, why do they want the young budding anthropologists?
02:12:18.000I think they're aware that anthropologists, because unlike most other social, I mean there are other people who also do sustained work in a region, I mean, you know, our main method of doing research is ethnography, which means going and living in a region and getting to know it in great detail.
02:12:54.000But it's the trust factor that's very central to anthropology.
02:12:57.000I mean, people who, you know, anywhere you go, I mean, if we just go and do research down the road from where we live, I mean, people are going to be rather suspicious initially of anybody who wants to do research on them.
02:13:09.000But the sustained presence in fieldwork that anthropologists do is all based on establishing relations of trust across lines of conflict and with different kinds of Kinds of people and obviously if you're your agenda is not to understand the people and to try to emphasize with their point of view, but to serve the aims of a of another country.
02:13:36.000In geopolitical terms, then you're in a sense abusing that trust quite fundamentally.
02:13:42.000Well, that's what special forces do, is they'll parachute them in behind enemy lines to train an indigenous group to resist.
02:13:50.000I'll guarantee you, because I've seen past reports on this, they're going to train a lot of these groups to become rebels, they're going to give them weapons, it's going to be a major crisis creator.
02:14:03.000But I mean, even I mean, obviously, if you write about something that you studied, you're very careful to protect the people you studied from harm.
02:14:22.000So when you write something for public consumption, you disguise people's identities.
02:14:29.000You often disguise the identity of a place.
02:14:31.000And there are lots of things you just decide not to write about because they're potentially harmful.
02:14:36.000And there are some things you indeed have to decide not to study because the ethical difficulties are too great.
02:14:43.000You might accidentally do harm to people without intending to.
02:14:48.000This kind of intelligence gathering operation obviously isn't likely to be constrained by those kinds of considerations.
02:14:54.000I mean they want to send people into conflict zones with particular agendas and in a sense that people have already taken sides because it's their job to represent the interests of their employers, which in this case would be the US government.
02:15:08.000Folks, you can go to Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists at www.vasa.org, is that correct?
02:15:20.000V-A-S-A-T-H-E-A-S-A dot... Oh, I apologize.
02:15:26.000And we should have a link to that on InfoWars.com.
02:15:30.000I mean, what about just the danger to anthropologists if it becomes widely known that a lot of them are CIA?
02:15:37.000Yeah, I mean, as it is, because of events in the past, and there certainly have been well-documented involvements of anthropologists in the CIA, particularly in the Vietnam period, and also in the civil wars in Central America,
02:15:57.000I mean, anthropologists are always likely to be subjects of suspicion, and not very often people aren't too good at distinguishing nationalities of white people from abroad.
02:16:07.000They're certainly not often very good at distinguishing between the British and North Americans, for example.
02:16:16.000I mean, obviously anybody, irrespective of their nationality and origin, once it's seen that people can receive these rather generous grants and security agencies, then, you know, if that becomes widely understood, then everybody's going to become an object of suspicion.
02:16:32.000There's no way in which, you know, personally, I mean, if this program became extensive, I wouldn't blame anybody for suspecting everybody.
02:16:45.000Well, bottom line, the bigger question here is, and the bigger problem is, all over academia and every discipline is being bought off now by the military-industrial complex.
02:17:01.000I mean, obviously the interest isn't solely in anthropologists, it's in language experts, historians, anybody who can Provide information that's thought relevant by the military and the national security agencies.
02:17:17.000I mean obviously this information could be used in more or less intelligent ways.
02:17:24.000You know, culturally relevant techniques of torture are probably not actually very effective.
02:17:31.000What anthropologists try to do is understand the whole society.
02:17:34.000I mean, the whole way in which people relate to each other.
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02:22:06.000You can check out the Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists at theasa.org, and we have a link through to that at infowars.com and some other news articles about this.
02:22:19.000I was talking to Professor John Gledhill during the break, and he brought up a lot of other really key points.
02:22:25.000They also want to go into these countries and have anthropologists on the payroll to understand how to manipulate those local groups or, even more importantly, which I hadn't thought of, to use that data piecemeal in intelligence agencies as a pretext or an excuse to invade countries or to fund different organizations or to even demonize a group.
02:22:52.000But please elaborate on that, Professor.
02:22:55.000Well, it's very important in anthropology not to take snippets of cultural information out of that broader context, And that's one of the great dangers in the use of a subject that's trying to be kind of open-minded by people who have a particular kind of purpose and goal in life.
02:23:16.000One thing that worries quite a lot of anthropologists about these developments is that because it's all secret within the intelligence community itself.
02:23:29.000Information will circulate according to the internal logic of the intelligence people themselves.
02:23:36.000And it will never be subject to any kind of critical scrutiny.
02:23:39.000So all kinds of crazy ideas could develop within that environment that wouldn't stand up for five minutes if you stood up in a conference and put that point of view with a kind of critical audience who are qualified to discuss the whole ins and outs and the broader picture of the case.
02:23:57.000But of course, to claim that you're kind of using scholarly knowledge as a guide to action is always a kind of way of legitimizing.
02:24:08.000Things that might be considered quite ethically dubious in another context.
02:24:15.000Well, we've already seen this where Dick Cheney tells the CIA what intelligence he wants and fires people that don't do it, so... Yeah, I mean, we've had similar, obviously similar problems arose in Britain during the Iraq War.
02:24:28.000There was a strong controversy about whether or not The politicians had interpreted the intelligence data in a way that suited them, and then of course the intelligence people then got it in the neck when things went wrong.
02:24:48.000I'm hoping it won't, because if people do look at our website, or the American Anthropological Association's website, and look at the ethical principles that are supposed to guide what anthropologists do, and other kind of social scientists, or have similar kind of ethical codes, It is clear that this kind of covert
02:25:08.000Research and covert relationships with agencies outside academia are not really consistent with pursuing ethical research that can be defended as... Yeah, I mean, it's not real scientific research.
02:25:19.000It's like paying for a study and then telling them what response you want.
02:25:25.000And it will, you know, inevitably, these people will probably find themselves, you know... Well, I would think that... I mean, I would think that the global empire controllers would leave this alone because they want real data.
02:25:36.000I mean, it seems like they're going to screw up their own source.
02:25:38.000If you wanted to have a proper understanding of these conflict situations, you would do much better to read broadly from a several series of different points of view about a region, and you'd do much better to have public meetings in which, you know, those who are willing to participate in them could discuss.
02:25:58.000That we're an empire and that he controls reality, so I guess they think that if they fund anthropologists to put out this info, that will magically make the peoples they're studying change?
02:26:37.000In closing, in about 45 seconds, as an anthropologist yourself, sir, what do you think of the Western world in its modern context compared to old empires?
02:26:48.000Well, I think it's beginning to look rather too much like the old empires.
02:26:51.000I mean, you know, the values that, you know, we're claiming, we're defending here may well be good values.
02:26:59.000And I think we'd do rather better to pursue them, you know, more open-handedly and not as covers for other kinds of agendas like economic interest.
02:27:13.000I think we're far too scared of monsters that are either imaginary or of our own creation at the moment, and a bit more of that Western rationality that we claim is the basis of our civilization.
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02:31:55.000Now again, there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of reports of this.
02:32:01.000There are so many major university studies, major industry studies, and then the government or another industry will put out its own study and then we've proven those to be frauds about how good it is for you.
02:32:17.000But they will put rats over the period of their life in a cage near A high-powered cable with electricity running through it.
02:32:28.000It has all sorts of health effects on the rat.
02:32:33.000Really, it's called frequency pollution.
02:32:36.000That's one area of, really, pollution put out.
02:32:41.000But everybody knows who works in radio near a high-powered FM or AM transmitter.
02:32:47.000And there'll be signs inside those cinder block buildings.
02:33:05.000I mean, so many of these public schools put these high-powered cell phone towers up, you know, as a way to raise money.
02:33:14.000There really are problems connected to this, and here is the London Telegraph.
02:33:21.000Leukemia risks 70% higher for children near power lines.
02:33:27.000Children born close to high voltage overhead power lines are more likely to be diagnosed with leukemia according to results of a major government funded study that was published today.
02:33:41.000And, folks, cell phones are so bad, too.
02:33:55.000We've all got to take control of our lives.
02:33:57.000I mean, this genetically engineered food just doesn't, you know, have reduced nutritional value.
02:34:03.000It also has proteins and things in it that never existed before and that really make us sick.
02:34:11.000Researchers find that those whose childhood homes are within 200 meters, that's like 450 feet, of a power line have almost a 70% or greater risk of being diagnosed with leukemia.
02:34:28.000You know, I think there's one almost that close to my house.
02:34:33.000We've got to take this serious, folks.
02:34:34.000When you drive under a power line, even if it's a strong AM station, notice how it goes, you know, and Billy Bob was talking to John, and you're done driving under it, and it goes away.
02:34:47.000However, they stress that they have not established the cause of the increased risk that could be due to other factors such as differences in Wealth between those who live near power lines and those who do not.
02:35:00.000They say that if a 275 kV or 400 kV national grid lines investigated in the study are indeed the cause of the rise, they would be responsible for approximately 1% of leukemia cases in England and Wales, or around 5 cases a year.
02:35:18.000I mean, folks, take an electronic device and stick it up near just a light switch.
02:35:41.000Campaigners claim that lower voltage regional power lines, which operate at 132 kilovolt, might have the same effect in which the cases of leukemia, cases linked to electricity transmission, could be 10 times higher.
02:35:55.000The study, the largest of its kind to date, is published today in the British Medical Journal.
02:35:59.000Its analysis of 29,081 people from England and Wales who were diagnosed with cancer aged 15, Between 62 and 95, they are compared with the same number of healthy individuals matched for sex and year and area of birth.
02:36:15.000Researchers calculated the distance from each person's home at birth and the nearest high voltage overhead line.
02:36:22.000For those born within 200 meters of the power line, the risk of leukemia is 69% greater than for those born within 600 meters away.
02:36:32.000Those between 200 meters and 600 meters from the power line are 23% more likely to have been diagnosed with leukemia than those whose homes were more than 600 meters away.
02:38:30.000I mean, I forget the ratios, but you know, 10,000 feet of lower atmosphere, I forget, is the equivalent of 30 feet of ocean water or something.
02:38:38.000And there's really no better shield or this type of stuff than water.
02:38:44.000That's what a lot of, at these nuclear research facilities, it's not just shielded by lead, it's shielded by water.
02:38:52.000And these power lines, these high-powered power lines, just shoot off all these different types of waves.
02:38:59.000Around 400 to 420 new leukemia cases are diagnosed in England and Wales each year.
02:39:03.000Scientists have suggested a range of causes including genetic susceptibility, ionizing radiation, there you go, unusual patterns of exposure to infection in electromagnetic fields.
02:39:15.000Two major studies published in 2000 by Swedish and American researchers concluded that there was a doubling of risk of childhood leukemia associated with a level of magnetic field exposure received around 100 meters from a power line or 200 feet.
02:39:29.000Alistair Phillips of the Counselor Group Power Watch said the government should bring in a ban on the new building of 250 meters of high voltage power lines.
02:39:39.000Nurseries and schools or the adjunct power lines should be relocated so they are further away than 500 meters from the voltage overhead.
02:39:49.000Folks, again, they've got studies where plants don't grow well under power lines.
02:39:59.000You know, fast-growing life cycle things, grasses do it, even long life cycle, oak trees, crops.
02:40:09.000I mean, people noticed 50 years ago that you'd have a corn crop underneath high tension power lines with a lot of power going through them, and for a good ratio under those power lines, they didn't grow as well.
02:40:25.000Then they try to argue, well, that's because sun, you know, it's not getting as much sun because of the little lines.
02:40:30.000But they go, no, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's power, it's corn growing further away from the power lines that aren't having the sun blocked.
02:40:40.000As if the cables even, you know, blocked it.
02:41:12.000I mean, you're literally sleeping eight hours a day in the winter.
02:41:18.000With this thing with electrical wiring all over it, right up against your skin, then even low voltage causes a major problem.
02:41:28.000There are a lot of people now who are going into a lower voltage type situation in their houses, and they're seeing a lot of positive health effects.
02:41:57.000Continuing with the news today, this is from PrisonPlanet.com.
02:42:02.000Tanks in the streets of New York, on a recent trip to New York, these gun-mounted armored tanks, vehicles, We're driving through the streets of Manhattan.
02:42:15.000I took these pictures with my camera phone, hence the bad quality.
02:44:21.000It studied the way people walk and their likelihood of being terrorists.
02:44:27.000Wardens have issued the first of fifty dollar or fifty pound, basically a hundred dollar fine for dropping chewing gum in Manchester as part of a New Big Brother style little clamp down.
02:44:38.000They use the term Big Brother as it's good in this article.
02:44:42.000A man was caught on surveillance camera spitting out the gum In the Piccadilly Gardens, CCTV camera operators saw the incident and alerted city center wardens who were given a description of the offender.
02:44:55.000They approached the man and issued him a 50-pound penalty notice.
02:45:02.000So, Manchester is one of the three cities chosen by the government to use on-the-spot fines to tackle the problem of chewing gum stuck to pavements.
02:45:13.000Yeah, Big Brother now to keep you safe from that.
02:45:16.000Some good news, Maryland bans night seatbelt spying.
02:45:21.000Erlich rejects police Big Brother tactics.
02:45:24.000Maryland State Police will not be using night vision equipment to spy on motorists to see if they are wearing seatbelts.
02:45:30.000Reacting quickly to complaints, Governor Robert Ehrlich, on Monday, directed the state police to discontinue testing the effectiveness of the equipment.
02:45:39.000By the way, that's International Seat Belt Initiative.
02:46:46.000Newsweek DC Media Manager will become PRVP, or White House Anti-Drug Campaign.
02:46:55.000Rosanna Matita, Newsweek's Washington Media Relations Manager, leaves the magazine to join a public relations firm as Vice President for the White House's anti-drug campaign tomorrow, i.e.
02:47:23.000Flashman Hillard, she wrote, it's been a great pleasure to work with you over the years and I hope we will continue to do so in my new capacity, VP for the White House Anti-Drug Campaign, said.
02:47:35.000Office of National Drug Policy, she said, has its own spokesperson.
02:47:39.000She declined to comment further, referring questions on Monday, ruling that overruled state medical marijuana laws to her new firm.
02:47:47.000Fleishman-Hillard has been the architect of the White House Aggressive Anti-Drug Campaigns, which have increased drugs on the street.
02:47:54.000Particularly with regard to marijuana, they pioneered a campaign which encouraged parents to engage their children about drug use and also link drug use to funding Al-Qaeda.
02:48:04.000The firm asserts that they have successfully changed perceptions about marijuana.
02:48:12.000Yes, so that it's connected to terrorists.
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02:53:16.000Hey, I got some stuff that just came back from Iraq, including a radiac detector that's worn on the wrist of a M1A1 Abrams tank commander's You know, he puts it on his wrist to monitor any radiation, and there is no indications at all of any radiation at all.
02:53:39.000And it's been a year out there with all this quote DU, and I was just wondering how much money are you making out of playing on people's fears?
02:54:07.000I mean, please call back in, but I'm not going to let you run over me.
02:54:13.000We need to spend plenty of time on this.
02:54:16.000I don't know about the particular type of radiation detector you're talking about, but Depleted Uranium, the Army's own handbook, says it's deadly poison in the heavy metal alone, and the New York Daily News tested the blood of the troops and found that they had upwards of two rims of radiation.
02:54:36.000I've had Dr. Doug Rocky, who wrote the book for the Pentagon on it, who's sick and dying, many of his team have died, Now, the type of detectors that I know that some of the tanks have on them, I don't know about on their wrists, only pick up the type that you would have from, like, a nuclear spill.