On today's show, Alex Jones is joined by prolific 9/11 researcher Greg Zeminski, journalist Paul Craig Roberts, and journalist William Rodriguez. They discuss the events of September 11th, 2001, and how the official story of what happened on that day was made up.
00:00:45.000We're going to be live for the next three hours.
00:00:47.000Coming up in 30 minutes, we have prolific 9-11 researcher and journalist coming on the broadcast, Greg Zeminski.
00:01:00.000Then, 30 minutes after that, starting in the second hour, we're going to have janitor Maintenance man, William Rodriguez, who was there at the site on 9-11 and reported the bombs, and like many others, was told to shut up.
00:01:15.000And then in the middle of the next hour, an hour and a half from now, we're going to be joined by Paul Craig Roberts, who was former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Ronald Reagan's administration.
00:01:28.000Talking about his questions of the official story of 9-11 smelling a gigantic stinking rat.
00:01:35.000And masses of news mixed in in the meantime and of course in the next 30 minutes before we go to these important guests.
00:01:45.000And I have several announcements, one of them extremely important, coming up after this first break.
00:01:53.000I will just tell you now that fellow Patriot broadcaster on another network, John Stantmiller, Friday night was in a very bad motorcycle accident.
00:02:03.000I talked to his wife this morning, I just learned of it earlier today, and she was very busy and I was about to have to go on the air.
00:02:10.000I got a hold of her right before I went on the air, and she gave me the details of John's motorcycle accident, but he's doing okay.
00:02:42.000There is a ton of news coming out of Iraq.
00:02:44.000Bush's approval numbers are slipping even further if that's possible.
00:02:48.000I mean the high 20s is record low for a president.
00:02:53.000LBJ had numbers higher than that when he didn't run for re-election.
00:02:59.000And Bill Clinton's approval rating hit 33%, and then we had the Oklahoma City bombing, and a year later on Air Force One, in 96, he said, I owe my political resurrection to the OKC bombing.
00:03:12.000And we know you do, Bill Clinton, because your people were behind it.
00:03:16.000And of course now you vacation and basically live with the Bushes and you're a surrogate son and Barbara calls you her son.
00:03:26.000And Hillary is hanging out perpetually with Rupert Murdoch.
00:03:45.000It's a business of giving you a false choice.
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00:08:15.000About two months ago, Just days after he got back from Germany at the Bilderberg Group meeting, Jim Tucker of American Free Press reported that they had multiple witnesses inside the elite meeting.
00:08:29.000The heads of banking, the heads of the royal families, the heads of the Fortune 500.
00:08:34.000That they plan to double oil prices in the next 12 months.
00:08:57.000They put out this story, well there's no more oil.
00:08:59.000The oil companies are putting that report out.
00:09:01.000But then they add another layer to it, that it's being caused by all the unrest in the world, or it's being caused by the refineries.
00:09:08.000Even if we're going to run out of oil in 50 years, which isn't true, the evidence shows, it wouldn't be causing a doubling right now.
00:09:14.000The oil companies are all registering record all-time profits in the last two years, just with the price increases we've already seen of around 70%.
00:09:24.000We'll now get ready for oil to go up to, some are talking about, Henry Kissinger's talking about, $150 a barrel.
00:09:45.000Coming up, we will speak with Ground Zero hero, Janitor William Rodriguez, who reported on explosions coming from below the first sublevel while working in the basement of the World Trade Center complex.
00:09:57.000Then we'll interview former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts, who doubts the official 9-11 story.
00:10:03.000And of course, coming up in about 20 minutes to introduce these important topics to us and these guests, 9-1-1 prolific researcher and journalist, Greg Zeminski.
00:10:14.000So absolutely jam-packed information today.
00:10:20.000That's just some of what is coming up.
00:10:23.000I'm about to plunge into the other news items before we get these guests on.
00:10:28.000But before I go any further, John Stattmiller, long-time Patriot broadcaster, of course, co-host with Mark Kornke, one of the things he's done that's better known, who has his own Patriot radio network, Friday night was in a very serious motorcycle accident.
00:12:30.000My grandmother argued with my grandfather.
00:12:34.000and demanded that they give him the motorcycle that he had saved money for for three years and they bought him he bought a motorcycle when he was sixteen and a car pulled out in front of him when he was going fifty miles an hour and literally his brain was out part of his brain was outside of his skull and a large portion of his brain was removed and I know so many people chewed up
00:13:01.000uh... because of motorcycles and I don't know why anybody I mean I haven't talked about this on air but I frankly am sick of motorcycles my children over my dead body they will never have a motorcycle they will never drive a motorcycle they will never be around a motorcycle uh... my dad bought me a moped uh... and uh... I had wrecks on it luckily only went thirty miles an hour it was one of those little bitty sprees
00:13:29.000Still, I have no idea why he let me have a moped, though I saved the money for it.
00:13:35.000I'm a controlling parent, and until they're 18 and leave my house, they are never going to have motorcycles.
00:13:41.000I mean, the problem with a motorcycle is you've got two wheels, and if you hit dirt, if you hit gravel, even if you're doing everything right, you might have a big wreck.
00:13:51.000And then there's all those cars flying around you.
00:14:41.000We all decide to continue to use these vehicles.
00:14:47.000So why don't we decide to step up to the plate and fight the New World Order?
00:14:50.000It's a lot safer to fight the New World Order to get in your car every day, but you still get in the car, you still put your family in the car, you still put your babies in the car, and you still take that risk.
00:15:03.000Then it is eclipsed by heart attacks and cancer.
00:15:07.000So, and you know I've talked a lot about that.
00:15:10.000I mean, it's the parallel between perceived fears and what you should really be afraid of.
00:15:15.000You know, a year and a half ago, I was hit by a tornado, driving back from seeing family in Fredericksburg, coming into Johnson City.
00:15:24.000Tornado just threw us right off the road, and if the oak trees wouldn't have hit the back of the Tahoe, my father and I would have been dead.
00:15:32.000I mean, they crushed like five feet of the vehicle in.
00:15:37.000That's why I bought a Tourig, because it's the safest SUV out there.
00:15:43.000I mean, that's what I go for, is safety.
00:15:48.000Now, it's well worth even spending more money.
00:15:52.000That's the problem with cheap cars, cheap vehicles, is that they do not have the titanium steel cages, and nothing is more important than your family.
00:16:00.000So, if you've got the money, spend $100 more a month on your car payment, and get rid of these cars that aren't safe.
00:16:06.000And I'll tell you, a Tahoe, compared to some of these other foreign cars, and I've never owned a foreign car, now that's all I'll buy.
00:16:14.000Because American cars just are not safe, Compared to foreign cars, in many cases.
00:16:20.000Now I'm really off in left field today, it's just that this is really a public service announcement, but getting back to the Terry Schiavo case, my uncle was in a coma for six weeks on life support.
00:16:37.000And my grandmother, God rest her soul, just departed last year, she refused to unplug my uncle, JoLynn Jones.
00:16:46.000And my dad had to quit college for a while, go there and try to take care of him out in Fairfield, Texas, East Texas.
00:16:52.000And they were really wanting to unplug him, and my grandmother refused.
00:16:56.000And she was sitting there praying for him, and literally he just woke up out of the coma screaming, saying, Mama.
00:17:03.000And so many people, and by the way, even though they removed part of his brain, today he has two happy children, happily married, very successful in ranching and farming and business.
00:17:19.000And other than occasionally he can't find the right word for something because part of his speech centers were removed, Because he was young.
00:17:27.000I I mean, literally, folks, he had a Darth Vader-style accident, you know, something that bad, you know, so traumatic to his body that he was in pieces, giant scars all over him.
00:17:38.000He looks like, when he takes his shirt off at the beach, he looks like Frankenstein.
00:17:42.000But he has a good life, so you never know what God's gonna do and what the human body's gonna do.
00:17:47.000But thank God John Stattmiller is not hurt, you know, one hundredth that bad.
00:17:51.000He just has broken ribs and broken bones and a big, I believe she said the gashes on his head.
00:17:59.000About, uh, I think 11 stitches, she said.
00:18:01.000But, uh, so... He's doing good enough to call into a talk show this morning, so that is certainly good news.
00:18:06.000But, I just want all of you to think about how dangerous vehicles are.
00:18:12.000And to be conscious of it and to drive safe.
00:18:14.000I mean, I had some idiot last night just pull out in front of me.
00:18:17.000I was going 50 miles an hour down a road.
00:18:19.000This person just pulled out in front of me.
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00:24:42.000And also, last Friday we put together a detailed report concerning what really happened in New London, Connecticut.
00:24:50.000The harassment of the landowners, the homeowners, the bulldozers, revving, people having heart attacks under the stress, threatening people to sign over their land, saying they'll have to pay past rent on the land, even though they owned it because they fought in court.
00:25:29.000Everybody just heard, oh, the Supreme Court says they can take it, not just for Public Works, but for if some corporation comes and offers more money for your property and says they'll pay more taxes, that they can take it.
00:25:40.000And I've got literally ten different, or more, reports from over the weekend where all these cities and states are saying they're going to take people's property now.
00:25:48.000It's a horrible ruling, but then people don't even know the basics of the story of what happened.
00:25:54.000Of how they condemn your house out of hand, so they don't have to pay you the value of the house.
00:25:59.000We're not even talking about paying you the value.
00:26:00.000We're talking about, in these cases, a quarter of the value.
00:26:04.000We had one of the landowners on the broadcast that was quoted by the Associated Press, and I also talked to three of the landowners off-air.
00:26:11.000So I confirmed it with four different homeowners there and landowners.
00:26:32.000And there is a news blackout on the David Shaler MI5 agent report that we put out, and there's a news blackout on this other one about what happened in New London, Connecticut.
00:26:43.000It is up to you listeners to get these reports out to all the blogs and all the different websites out there and say, hey, would you please call these people?
00:26:51.000If you won't post Alex Jones's report, Paul Watson's report, will you please help us get the truth out to fight this?
00:26:58.000If this story gets out, I mean, already 99% of the American people in a major poll on CNN are against the ruling, but people will really be angry if they learn the truth!
00:27:09.000Literally, folks only know the tip of the iceberg here!
00:27:14.000It's now coming out that DoD-Iraq GI war dead figures are in dispute.
00:27:59.000Rumsfeld addressing a question about whether U.S.
00:28:02.000troops levels are adequate to vanquish the insurgency.
00:28:07.000Violent resistance said, "We're not going to win against the insurgency.
00:28:10.000The Iraqi people are going to win against the insurgency.
00:28:12.000That insurgency could be going on for any number of years.
00:28:16.000Insurgency tend to go on 5, 6, 8, or 10, even 12 years," Rumsholtz said.
00:28:21.000Coalition troops continuing his quote, "Foreign forces are not going to repress that insurgency.
00:28:27.000The Pentagon chief told Fox News Sunday, we're going to create an environment where the Iraqi people and the Iraqi security forces can win against that insurgency, he said.
00:28:39.000Rumsfeld in interviews on Sunday news shows warned that the insurgency could grow through the year as the Iraqi leaders develop a coalition for a democratic government.
00:28:48.000And another scary article here out of the London Telegraph.
00:29:29.000Compared with the present historic high of $60, if there was any further supply disruption in Russia or a political upset in Saudi Arabia, a leading German institute said, All right, we've got Greg Siminski coming on, and we have Mr. Rodriguez, and then Mr. Paul Craig-Roberts.
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00:33:20.000We'll also talk to Ground Zero hero, Janitor William Rodriguez, who reported on explosions coming from below the first sublevel while working in the basement, and then coming up the middle of the next hour, Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan, who now doubts the official 9-11 story as well.
00:33:40.000Another note here, as of last night, actually as of yesterday afternoon, I haven't had time to call and check since then, So there are probably no tickets left, but I haven't called and checked yet, so there might be one or two, I have no idea.
00:33:56.000Go to Infowars.com, link through to the Alamo Draft House Cinema, where they have food and everything, but a really nice movie theater on South Lamar, and you can try to get tickets.
00:34:06.000It'll tell you if it's sold out, or it should be up there if it's sold out, but you can go to their website and buy tickets there right now for tonight's showing.
00:34:16.000All of these have sold out before opening day.
00:34:18.000Some of them a week and a half before.
00:34:19.000So, I guess the sixth showing, we're beginning to get near the end of the overflow audiences.
00:34:25.000I could probably do one or two more that would sell out.
00:34:33.000We're going to have like a couple thousand people.
00:34:35.000We have a big screen they can put up outside anywhere.
00:34:37.000But we have to wait until it cools off to do that.
00:34:40.000So we'll probably do that in the fall.
00:34:43.000with uh... with uh... not not much of an ounce meters i wanna people come out with raining or something but uh... go to info wars dot com uh... find out why people love this film i mean it is my best work it covers who was behind nine eleven how the globalist carried it out of covers the police state for setting up and how they're using nine eleven for that police state that it examines the bush nazi connection the schwarzenegger nazi connection the bohemian grove skull and bones connection to all of that three hours long it's a mini-series really it's
00:35:14.000I mean, I know movie directors that have seen this film, and they're like, Alex, you've got to call this a miniseries.
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00:37:23.000Let's now go to our guest, and I tell you, he just breaks news story after news story on a daily basis.
00:37:30.000He's becoming, frankly, the most prolific writer on the web right now.
00:37:35.000He has just exploded out of the gates.
00:37:37.000He's been writing for years, but he's really on target.
00:37:41.000And just joining us again, Greg, thanks for coming on.
00:38:09.000But let's get into Paul Craig Roberts.
00:38:13.000Well, you know, Paul Craig Roberts is a very, very interesting man, a very intelligent man, a person that I enjoy talking to and basically enlighten me about his feelings.
00:38:23.000Now, his interesting story is, I believe, and he said to me this, he said, Greg, you know, why don't you look at all these Republican defections?
00:38:34.000There's a lot of people like me who are influential in the government who have just basically been either shunned in Washington by the neocons or basically kicked out.
00:40:26.000I mean, Ron Paul gave that speech two years ago called Neocon, where he laid out how the Fourth International, the Trotskyites, literally, the head of the Fourth International, founded neoconism, and the other guy, Leon Strauss out of Chicago at the Economics University, I mean, he's an adherent of fascism!
00:40:45.000Yeah, I mean, you know, the real story, and basically, you know, kind of, so people understand, you know, what's going on.
00:40:54.000My background, I, years ago, when I was the editor of my college newspaper, and I should add, we had to start another one, because the college newspaper was funded by the university, and the op-ed has been kind of controlled stories.
00:41:06.000My whole idea back then, even then, it's just instinctive.
00:41:10.000You know, I wanted to get the voices of people that never get heard into the newspaper.
00:41:17.000And basically, it accelerated my graduation when I discovered that the college president was using funds from the university to build his mansion.
00:41:25.000So back then, nothing's changed for me.
00:41:29.000Stories of interest are those that never get in the paper.
00:41:33.000And so when you have a nose for news, Years ago I got out of journalism and 9-11 kind of pulled me back into it because basically I said, you know something, this is needed.
00:41:44.000People need to see something in the newspaper by a writer who knows how to write for the newspapers, knows their style, knows what they want, but you can't get it in.
00:41:54.000So basically I just started doing it the only way I could.
00:41:58.000It's pulled me away from most everything in my life and I think it's a worthwhile cause.
00:42:02.000I'm not going to stop until all these people like Rodriguez are heard.
00:42:07.000By the way, we're going to get into him in a second.
00:42:09.000You also write for American Free Press and a bunch of other prominent alternative publications.
00:42:16.000Let's get into one of the heroes of 9-11.
00:42:20.000I've heard his name before, but I can never get a hold of these individuals.
00:42:23.000How you got a hold of the maintenance man, Janitor William Rodriguez.
00:42:28.000Who reported on explosions coming from below.
00:42:30.000And he's not, literally folks, there's hundreds that reported this, but he's one of the folks that's willing to go public.
00:42:44.000And the reason I say that is when William is kind of, throughout the years, he's been approached by many people, including news reporters from the biggest, from the mainstream, who've kind of hinted, William, you know, you better keep quiet about this because you don't know who you're dealing with.
00:42:58.000And William told me, and I'm sure he'll tell you the same thing, that he's never varied his story from day one, when the planes hit.
00:43:05.000And he looks them in the eye and says, you know, I have nothing to lose.
00:43:27.000Lou Cacioli, a 50-plus-year-old senior firefighter, head of a whole ladder, he told People Magazine that clearly bombs were going off and he was trapped in there before they collapsed.
00:43:41.000And then I called, talked to his wife, briefly talked to him, and he just said, look, I've been told to shut up, I'm not doing interviews.
00:44:15.000Recently, the case, the government made a motion to dismiss.
00:44:18.000The judge ruled against the government.
00:44:20.000The case is now being moved to New York, a change of venue.
00:44:23.000And the case goes on, a legal discovery.
00:44:24.000Well, William, I've written about, I've talked to Phil about William since last November when the lawsuit hit.
00:44:30.000And I never really pushed the subject of really forcing William to go forward.
00:44:35.000He spends a lot of time in Europe getting a story across.
00:44:38.000And so I just let the story progress, and in several stories of mine you'll see I refer to William's name and the comments he made to Phil.
00:44:46.000However, in a recent story I ran, William contacted me and asked me if I'd like to speak about it.
00:44:54.000And I asked him, you know, can I talk to you?
00:45:18.000William, I thought maybe William just heard explosions, but William came to work late.
00:45:23.000He goes down into his base, instead of being up above where he'd normally be, he came to work late.
00:45:28.000He was down below in sub-level one in an office with 14 people.
00:45:33.000Now, when the bomb went off under his feet, he said he felt the floor shaking, the walls around him cracking, and of course, all these 14 people were frightened.
00:45:44.000Seconds later, he hears an explosion from way above.
00:45:47.000Not knowing it's an airplane, he doesn't know what it is.
00:45:50.000However, immediately after that, a man by the name of Felipe David comes running in, burnt to a crisp, skin hanging from his arms, And his hands, his face completely burnt, screaming, explosion, explosion, explosion.
00:46:07.000So for those that don't understand, there's an explosion right before, is what I'm getting, right before the plane even hits.
00:46:28.000Well, let me tell you where David was at.
00:46:30.000David was at an elevator shaft, a freight elevator shaft, about three or four hundred feet away, and says the flames came shooting up and burnt him to a crisp.
00:46:42.000So he runs to the nearest office, and fourteen people witness this.
00:46:47.000Witness Rod, you know, Rodriguez, then takes him out.
00:46:50.000Where is the fellow you just mentioned?
00:46:52.000Well, here's the story, and this is what William says, and let me get, you know, I'll explain this really quickly.
00:46:58.000Right after, right after 9-11, a lot of stories appeared.
00:47:01.000A couple of comments, William's story, I think, got in some places just quickly.
00:47:06.000But see, what happened was, everything was forgotten about then.
00:47:09.000A lot of these people who were talking then, Three years later are difficult to find.
00:47:15.000I have a bunch of phone numbers and most of the numbers are disconnected from the people.
00:47:20.000It's going to take a big, you know, it's going to take getting out there and finding them and William has trouble finding some of them.
00:47:26.000Right after 9-11, I called quite a few of these people.
00:47:28.000I probably got a hold of five different people, two of them firefighters, and they just said, look, we've been told to shut up.
00:47:36.000And you know, During that time, there was a different atmosphere, and the atmosphere basically... Worship the government, believe the story.
00:47:46.000But, years later, what happened, though, was interesting.
00:47:48.000As we move this story along, which never really gets covered thoroughly in the press, we get to the 9-11 Commission.
00:47:55.000Now, as you know, the 9-11 Commission has ignored many people's comments, many even of the victims and the people involved, when they come to their scientific conclusions.
00:48:04.000And I put that word, scientific conclusions, in quotes.
00:48:08.000Because, what there basically happened here, Rodriguez also was very forthright and wanted to talk to the 9-11 Commission, wanted to talk to the FBI, wanted... and he'll explain this.
00:48:18.000Well, anyway, I believe the 9-11 Commission... I've talked to other people who, for example, have found the black boxes, things like that, that were totally ignored, but I think because of Rodriguez's position, Because of what he did on 9-11, because of the corroboration of 14 people with him, they had to deal with him somehow.
00:48:36.000So they pulled him in and said, we'll talk to you, but behind closed doors.
00:48:40.000So Rodriguez was kind of intimidated to keep quiet.
00:48:43.000Well, anyway, at the time, NBC News got wind of this, and also CNN, which I just found out.
00:48:50.000And they sent a news crew, and I've got email verifications of this, a news crew, out to his house for a complete day, right after these 9-11 hearings.
00:48:58.000Now, Rodriguez is kind of quiet, says a few things to a paper, but doesn't get into his story, because I think what happened, and you can verify this with him, Uh, they were telling him to keep quiet.
00:49:07.000Uh, we need to talk and discuss this and get- but basically 9-11 Commission never uses his, uh, uh, words to justify- Well, it's classic.
00:49:16.000They go, this is national security, we're gonna use this, but keep quiet for a few months.
00:49:32.000All his, everything he said to me, everything he's, uh, uh, said to other people, like, uh, overseas in Puerto Rico, and Telemundo, and all these, uh, overseas, uh, uh, news broadcasts that are covering his story, and, and let him talk uncensored.
00:49:45.000Well, anyway, they, they, they get all this tape, and all his words, but they take it back and write, not a word of it ever appears.
00:49:54.000The same thing supposedly happens with CNN, and I got a couple emails from the CNN crew that supposedly were supposed to come out and see him.
00:50:02.000However, what happens is that they come out and they get all the information, but never run it.
00:50:07.000And I say to them, and I bluntly, as a journalist and as a person who basically looks at things from a journalistic point of view, if I was an editor or whatever, I'm not going out on a journalistic limb, perhaps if Rodriguez is the only one that hears that.
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00:53:59.000Look, I know we've got a lot of phone lines.
00:54:10.000I haven't given the phone number up yet today because we're not taking calls yet.
00:54:16.000We will do that sometime in the next hour.
00:54:24.000We're talking to, of course, the writer for American Free Press and a lot of other publications, Greg Zemanski, about all the major news that's coming out about 9-11.
00:54:34.000More and more whistleblowers going public.
00:55:19.000I know I fought, and I didn't have time this morning to get at it.
00:55:23.000Well, getting back to Mr. Rodriguez, he's got 14 witnesses, and you've got the explosion and the fire shooting up.
00:55:32.000Well, if I could just say something kind of in general on a story like this, and why I believe it's important.
00:55:39.000As you know, if you just isolate the incident of how the, let's say the North Tower went down, You're hearing all these stories about the scientific explanations from the government's point of view, the scientific explanations from the conspiracy theorists' point of view.
00:55:55.000And if you imagine yourself in a court of law right now listening to that, you take the next step and you bring up a witness.
00:56:02.000You bring up a witness like Mr. Rodriguez.
00:56:04.000Now, as you know, eyewitness testimony can be very reliable.
00:56:09.000It can be very unreliable and that's basically since if you line up 10 people and you look at a murder You're going to get maybe ten different accounts.
00:56:19.000However, when eyewitness testimony is the most valuable, and more credible than scientific explanations, is when it can be corroborated, and corroborated with documentation.
00:56:32.000And that's exactly what Rodriguez's story is.
00:56:34.000So basically, if you're a jury listening to, well, did it fall down by explosives, or did it fall down by the airplanes up there?
00:56:44.000Rodriguez's testimony, collaborated by 14 other people, is going to sway the jury to the side of the demolition, of course, because basically, you look at what he saw, how 14 people see a burning man coming from, you know, within seconds, from below.
00:57:55.000The journalist that, you know, I want to know, I'd like to hear that conversation when they decided not to run this, or decided not to use their resources to find these other people and verify that.
00:58:04.000I mean, here's a guy burnt to crisp in a hospital, and, you know, they're ignoring it.
00:58:09.000And now, years later, basically, it's kind of, they're hoping that, you know, it's just forgotten about.
00:58:16.000And, you know, hopefully people will look at this and say, you know, if they're lying about this.
00:58:21.000And basically, I'm not saying You know, even to a point where if they would have just investigated this in a forthright manner, however, do you think that investigation might have been contrary to the government's story?
00:59:57.000Buildings were demolished by controlled demolitions.
01:00:00.000David Shaler, who worked terrorism, And award-winning researcher and author, Greg Zemanski, is also riding shotgun with us, breaking and magnifying so many of these articles, including 9-11 rescue workers finding three of the four data recorders are being told to shut up!
01:00:18.000And that's even made it, subsequently, into things like the Philadelphia Daily News.
01:00:26.000There are lawsuits involving all of this.
01:00:30.000I'm extremely honored to We have on the line one of the survivors who was in the North Tower, William Rodriguez.
01:00:38.000We talked about his story in the last 30 minutes, how they witnessed explosions down in their basement level and it burning and hurting people, the fire coming up, not down.
01:00:49.000And he helped a lot of folks, of course, get out of there, barely survived himself.
01:00:52.000And we're honored to have William Rodriguez on with us.
01:01:02.000Well, it's great to be here, and we've got Greg Riding Shotgun with us, so we'll be popping in and out with him.
01:01:06.000We're about to break here in a moment, but I want to... I want to first just talk about who you are, why you were working there, and then when we get back, I want to tell the story.
01:01:14.000I want to go back to those first minutes and give you the floor and just let you tell us exactly, in your words, what happened.
01:01:20.000But first off, tell us about yourself, Mr. Rodriguez, and why you're going public.
01:02:19.000Well, I didn't know on day one, I'll be honest with you, because Alex, at the beginning, I came out of the news, probably days or weeks, because I came out with the story and I testified for the media, for national media, on that same day of what I experienced, and then I started to realize that my story was continuously being edited, that the whole information that I was given, that I was given, wasn't coming out correctly.
01:02:56.000That is correct, and it was a continuous effort from all the medias.
01:03:01.000I actually interviewed hundreds and hundreds of hours from September 11 until today.
01:03:06.000I mean, I have a whole library of interviews, and it's incredible because I have some raw copies of some of the interviews that I actually performed.
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01:07:18.000And the key here is, I remember getting inklings of his story, and many others who saw the same thing, on 9-11.
01:07:24.000But every time he talked to a major TV network or station, they would put him on the news, but edit out.
01:07:32.000How he talked about the explosions down in the base of the building, which firefighters and others said they also heard, witnessed, and saw.
01:07:39.000Even reporters were saying it as it happened on a few of the news channels.
01:07:45.000And remember, they ordered the FAA tape shredded, they ordered the people on the ground that found three of the flight data recorders, you know, highly decorated rescue workers, keep your mouth shut, you know, when they found these recorders, clearly marked.
01:07:57.000Just the continual hauling away the rubble under national security to China, despite the fact the family tried to stop it.
01:08:04.000He was the head of maintenance for the three major stairwells for the entire building.
01:08:09.000Been there 20 years, a senior member of maintenance.
01:08:15.000I usually get to work at 8 o'clock in the morning.
01:08:19.000That day, as a miracle, I went in late at 8.30.
01:08:21.000And just recapping what he said in the last segment for stations that don't carry that first segment.
01:08:24.000William, now, let's just go through the story.
01:08:27.000That morning, what you were doing, what happened, please describe it for us.
01:08:31.000I usually get to work at 8 o'clock in the morning.
01:08:35.000That day, as a miracle, I went in late at 8.30.
01:08:39.000I called the office and I said I was going to be a little late.
01:08:42.000And they said, well, you have to get here because we don't have anybody to take your position doing the stairwells.
01:09:19.000And I'm telling you this because of experience.
01:09:21.000I've been there for 20 years, so I do understand where the noise was coming from.
01:09:27.000And I remember that moment that it was an electrical generator that just blew up on their sub-levels.
01:09:32.000And when I say sub-levels, it's because I was located on B1, that's basement number one, and the building has six sub-levels, all the way down to B6.
01:09:40.000So I felt this huge explosion, and at that moment I was going to verbalize it.
01:09:45.000I was going to say, uh, it's one of the electrical generators that just blew up.
01:09:49.000And when I was going to verbalize it, it's when I heard the impact at the top of the building.
01:09:54.000And it sounded very, uh, pretty far away.
01:09:58.000And it was so hard that the walls shaked and broke.
01:10:02.000They cracked all over and the false ceiling just collapsed and the sprinkler system got activated.
01:10:10.000There was like 14 people inside the office.
01:10:13.000And at that moment, we don't know what's happening.
01:10:15.000We thought, again, it's an explosion at the sub-level.
01:10:18.000And when I was going to pick up the phone to call the emergency, there's a guy coming running into the office saying, explosion, explosion, explosion.
01:12:29.000And the same people that I just pulled from the basement, they started screaming at me, Rodriguez, you're not going back in there, you stay here.
01:12:35.000Even my supervisor that I just pulled out.
01:12:41.000And I took the radio from the security guard and I started running inside the building again.
01:12:45.000When I get inside, there was water all over, because the sprinkler system got activated, and I get to the top of the loading dock, and by Let me just stop you for a second, Mr. Rodriguez.
01:12:57.000During the 1993 bombing, I was actually on the 1993 bombing stock in an elevator for several hours.
01:13:05.000I started looking inside the delivery trucks that were on the loading dock to make sure that there was no explosives or anything like that.
01:13:13.000And I continued going to building to the South Power to hit on the window of something called the OCC of the Operation.
01:13:20.000Let me just stop you for a second, Mr. Rodriguez, before you get to the Operational Center.
01:13:27.000Being there in the first bombing, knowing what it feels like, and then experiencing the individual running in and saying the fire came up, I want to get into some detail about what Mr. David said to you on that.
01:13:38.000And then I also want to ask you the question, were you looking for truck bombs because you were putting two and two together in the back of your brain from hearing and feeling that explosion?
01:13:51.000And because of the experience of 1993.
01:13:52.000Now remember, Being there, the actual expectation of something happening in the building was constant.
01:14:03.000The employees, we always talk about it on a weekly basis because we said, this is a job that was never finished.
01:14:13.000So we continued having these kinds of conversations on a weekly basis.
01:14:19.000We were aware by osmosis of everything that was happening around.
01:14:25.000And I will bring you to that point, that experience later on, because when I testified to the 9-11 Commission, I did give them some details that miraculously didn't show up on the final report.
01:14:37.000Yeah, let's talk about that, but I interrupted you at the point you got to the Emergency Operations Center.
01:14:44.000Yeah, the Operation Control Center was actually a center that was created after 1993, Bobby.
01:14:49.000The World Trade Center, they spent $136,000,000 to upgrade the whole security in the building.
01:14:57.000A quarter of a billion actually, but $136,000,000 was just for security.
01:15:01.000They created this center, and stupidly enough, they put it inside the building, which made sense to have it outside the building.
01:15:08.000And there, they control everything from access to special doors, To the security cameras, practically everything.
01:15:16.000When I get there, as I run towards that office, I find one guy, the name is Jimmy Barrett.
01:15:23.000He worked for American Building Maintenance.
01:15:25.000And I say, Jimmy, you gotta get out of here.
01:15:26.000He didn't even know that the building got hit.
01:15:29.000He was on the sub-levels of the South Tower, and that gives you a general idea how many people probably died on the South Tower without ever knowing what was happening.
01:15:44.000And there was a lady from the Marriott Hotel Security, the one that checks every employee, she's there trembling because she was a new employee.
01:16:12.000He was a guy that disappeared for three years.
01:16:16.000And he testified on the last week of the hearings for the 9-11 Commission.
01:16:23.000And they said that they couldn't find him.
01:16:25.000And it's the funniest thing because I have Lloyd on my organization from day one.
01:16:31.000And I could have supplied him very easily.
01:16:33.000It's something that, you know, is mind-boggling.
01:16:35.000Okay, well then tell us, who was on the speaker saying, stay in your post?
01:16:40.000Actually, it wasn't that, stay in the post.
01:16:42.000It was actually saying that, you know, people were coming down on the Plaza level, on the main running level, and that was actually the area that was hit by the first plane, and all the debris was falling down that part.
01:16:56.000So, actually, it was a call for people to go back Not to get out on the plaza level because they were going to get hit by the debris.
01:17:05.000So it was an actual misunderstanding that happened on that moment.
01:17:09.000The amount of automatic recordings that they have in the building.
01:18:18.000I always maintain my story from the day that I was pulled from the rubble.
01:18:24.000Listen, I showed up on CNN on that day, okay?
01:18:28.000And if you can get the transcript, because I have been unsuccessful, but luckily I have a copy And my story now is exactly the same one that I gave on that day.
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01:22:50.000All right, approaching the halfway point in this broadcast, We're going to keep Mr. Rodriguez on with us.
01:23:14.000Helped save a lot of people and barely made it out himself.
01:23:16.000Last person to be pulled from the rubble.
01:23:17.000We're going to keep him on with us with Paul Craig Roberts, the former Assistant Secretary of Treasury under Ronald Reagan and his administration.
01:23:27.000And if Mr. Zemanski, Greg Zemanski, wants to stay with us, he's welcome to ride shotgun.
01:23:32.000We'll kind of have our own little roundtable discussion here.
01:23:36.000I was just talking to you Mr. Rodriguez, William Rodriguez, during the break and you talked about how You were telling me how you've just been on this European tour, I guess with Jimmy Walters, exposing all of this, and almost, you didn't say almost, you said everyone knew the truth, everyone you talked to in Europe never believed the story.
01:24:36.000I said, well, you know, at that moment, when we explained that, it was a whole cover-up.
01:24:41.000Well, yeah, that shows control that day one, they would put you on CNN as a hero and as a survivor, went back into the building, had it collapse on you, the last to be dug out alive.
01:24:52.000I mean, think of what a big story that is.
01:24:53.000I remember you were all over TV, and they would edit out craftily any discussion of explosions.
01:24:59.000Greg, that really shows the premeditated nature, doesn't it, Greg?
01:25:04.000It shows the state of the media right now.
01:25:06.000You know, like it said, this is all our story, and William's story should be told, and the media has an obligation in a major story like that to get it right.
01:25:17.000And you can see from what William's saying, they basically had another agenda.
01:25:22.000And it's that agenda, along with the government agenda, that needs to be exposed.
01:25:28.000And that's basically what we're doing right now.
01:25:31.000Well I want to go back specifically, I mean understand we have an eyewitness here.
01:26:16.000This is a funny story because the guy did incredible things on that day.
01:26:21.000But once the weeks passed and people came out on the media and asking for reunions and meetings for major networks to actually together with survivors that I saved on that day, they started to think about it and shutting off of their they started to think about it and shutting off of their previous
01:26:42.000And the funny thing is also that I even sent Mr. Greg Simansky a couple of the emails of major networks that I received during that time and during the 9-11 Commission testimony For a request of interviews, and it never came out.
01:26:58.000I did the interviews, and it never came out.
01:27:31.000He goes, before I say anything, this is the first time there hasn't been a Lieutenant General in a suit behind the cameras telling me what I can and can't say.
01:27:39.000Yeah, I mean, this, you know, Mr. Rodriguez's story is vitally important for every American to hear, unedited.
01:27:48.000That's the reason why I wanted to tell it.
01:27:59.000It's Mr. Rodriguez's story, and it's a story that the American people own.
01:28:04.000And on a day that occurred like that, to have it unedited, my goodness, what is going on?
01:28:10.000And we need to get answers from NBC, not from the journalists.
01:28:14.000And I assume there's probably journalists who probably wanted to run it.
01:28:18.000But from the people who... Well, I tell ya, Greg, I've talked to a lot of major national reporters and they've told me point blank, we're told not to talk about this.
01:28:30.000We just lost Greg and our other guests on an internet phone, that's why it sounds a little bit broken, but it's just powerful info.
01:28:37.000We're gonna stay with Mr. Rodriguez and we've got Mr. Roberts coming on as well.
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01:32:18.000Buildings were demolished by controlled demolitions.
01:32:20.000David Shaler, Worked in anti-terrorism, now going public.
01:32:25.000And at the same time, we have the Chief Economist of one of the major federal departments, Mr. Reynolds, going public a few weeks ago about how the official story is a complete fraud.
01:32:39.000Yvandres Fambulo, who was the Defense Secretary Technology Minister, going public.
01:32:45.000We have Michael Nietzsche, number three in the Blair government, resigning two years ago and saying if they weren't involved in the attack, they certainly knew all about it and funded it.
01:32:53.000There's so many people, and online with us at the same time.
01:32:57.000I meant to only have them for 30 minutes, but it's such an important testimony.
01:33:00.000William Rodriguez, who was cited for pulling out so many people, trying to save them, going back in, having a building collapse on him and others.
01:33:07.000One of the last people to be saved, William Rodriguez, talking about those bombs, those explosions going off.
01:33:12.000We'll be popping back and forth with Mr. Rodriguez's story.
01:33:19.000Paul Craig Roberts, the bio is too long to read it all, but he was Distinguished Fellow at the Cato Institute from 93 to 96.
01:33:26.000From 82 through 93 he held the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies from 81 to 82.
01:33:35.000He served as Assistant Secretary of Treasury for Economic Policy for President Reagan and the Treasury Secretary.
01:33:41.000Reagan credited him with a major role in the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 81 and he was awarded the Treasury Department's Meritorious Service Award for outstanding contributions to his formulation of the United States economic policy.
01:33:57.000And again, Dr. Roberts' bio is a couple more pages long.
01:34:34.000I saw this headline with Greg Zeminski talking about how you're now questioning the official story.
01:34:40.000Not all the minutiae and the specifics, just how the whole thing stinks and all the lies we've been told.
01:34:46.000Can you tell us, sir, when you started questioning things?
01:34:51.000Oh, well I've been questioning things all my life, Alex.
01:34:55.000It's just the things that get questioned change with the event.
01:35:02.000I was questioning this invasion of Iraq before it happened.
01:35:12.000On 9-11, it's when I read Morgan Reynolds' account, which seemed to be very carefully researched, and I've known Morgan Reynolds for years.
01:35:28.000And he was Chief Economist in the Bush Administration for the Department of Commerce.
01:35:32.000He's also a member of the Mont Coleran Society, which is a group of libertarian conservative scholars.
01:35:41.000By the way, sir, he's now being called an evil liberal, and you've been called that when you guys have some of the most conservative records known.
01:35:50.000Yes, there are certainly a lot of brownshirts out there who Who are true believers of whatever the government tells them.
01:36:01.000And anyhow, what made me wonder when I read Morgan Reynolds' account, because over the years, because I criticized or I tell the truth about the war, I get a lot of emails from people who say, well, what about 9-11?
01:36:19.000And I have not paid much attention to them because I don't know Too much about that, but I have received a number of emails from people who claim they're engineers and they say that the building could not have fallen the way it did according to the government account of what destroyed it.
01:36:46.000Well, I personally have probably had 25 engineers on it.
01:36:53.000Oh, I had a good family friend who's a structural engineer who worked in the World Financial Center and saw the first plane, saw the second plane, saw it all happen.
01:37:01.000And he was on that morning and he said it was a perfect controlled top-down demolition in the big towers and a perfect demolition on Building 7 bottom-down with the classic crimp.
01:37:12.000Even most controlled demolitions are not that precise as Building 7.
01:37:19.000It would have taken several months to wire it that well.
01:37:23.000Well, that's another very curious thing because no plane hit the 47 story building and yet it collapsed as the others.
01:37:31.000And so the explanation of why it collapsed I've never understood at all.
01:37:38.000I remember engineers were explaining to me that if the powers collapsed because of fire weakening the steel that they would have fallen They would have fallen off at an angle and wrecked blocks of New York.
01:37:54.000They wouldn't have come down on themselves unless the fire was of equal intensity at every corner on every floor.
01:38:22.000Yeah, we have the presentation of the final draft of the NIST, the National Institute of Safety and Technology, here in New York, two days ago.
01:38:31.000And at the end of their presentation, we asked very hard questions because they said they didn't find any evidence of explosives inside the building.
01:38:43.000Yeah, the funny thing is that I recorded my own With my own camera, so we're going to make that available for you Alex, so you can post it there, so you can see exactly what happened there, because again, it was actually presented on the press, but was never explained what happened with the people asking the questions.
01:39:02.000Now, the problem was that they couldn't answer when we asked about, well, why the building fell in such an implosion way, and they said, well, there was no sustaining power by the other floor, except for it was a free fall.
01:39:18.000And if that is true, why Building 7 collapsed the same way?
01:39:23.000And it was never hit by a plane like you were getting the same.
01:39:26.000Mr. Rodriguez, let me bring this up to Dr. Roberts, because Dr. Roberts, what are they going to do as these certain elements, the military-industrial complex that have the motive and all of this, what are they going to do, in your educated expert opinion, as more and more prominent people, and now it's beginning to snowball, as more and more prominent people, and now it's beginning to snowball, begin to go public and just simply say the emperor is wearing I mean, what do you forecast happening?
01:40:58.000And we do know that large numbers, I didn't used to think it was possible for them to hide something like the assassination of a president, what really happened.
01:41:09.000Because I didn't think you could get that many people to participate.
01:41:13.000But apparently it is possible to get people to be quiet and hush and go along.
01:41:20.000So I would imagine if Bush can survive the Downing Street memos and in taking us into an illegal war that had no justification that we were told it was a cakewalk war that would be over in three weeks, and now Rumsfeld announced this morning that it will be 12 years.
01:41:41.000If they can survive that, they can survive whatever happened to the Lord Clayton.
01:41:48.000Now, I have to say up front, I am not an expert and don't know what happened, but I do notice that there are people who challenge the explanation, and there is this great effort to shut them up.
01:42:02.000It seems to me if the government was confident of its story, it wouldn't take that tact.
01:42:08.000It would confront what is being said and answer it.
01:42:11.000Well Mr. Roberts... We don't see that.
01:42:12.000They're not answering the people like the janitor who says he heard explosions in the basement.
01:42:20.000There's no real reason to think so many people are making Well, Dr. Roberts, you just stole my thunder.
01:42:35.000He was interviewed all over live TV and then would notice that they would edit out his comments about explosions.
01:42:41.000Well, it seems to... It's amazing to me that it's that easy for them to do.
01:42:44.000and over again, he kept wondering why they edited that out.
01:42:48.000That shows massive control and massive cover up right there, Dr. Roberts.
01:42:53.000Well, it seems to -- it's amazing to me that it's that easy for them to do.
01:43:02.000But what disturbs me is that there are people who challenge it, and yet it doesn't get answered in an honest way.
01:43:14.000So it seems to me what the government should do is take all of these people who have a case against the original complaint.
01:43:25.000Address what they say, give some answer.
01:43:28.000But sir, I mean on the face of it, the 9-11 Commission says there were no steel columns in the center of the buildings when they had some of the biggest steel columns, 44 of them, in the world.
01:43:39.000They don't even mention Building 7 in their 300 and something page report, or any of its indexes.
01:43:45.000We don't know where they got their information, do we?
01:43:48.000I mean, these commissions often They get information that's fed to them.
01:43:57.000So the real question is, who's feeding them the information?
01:44:18.000We know some big fat possum or raccoon is up there.
01:44:21.000You know, do we have the will to open, which I've done, and, you know, open the trap door and go up in there and clean this maggot-infested thing out?
01:44:29.000Are we gonna keep just smelling the stench, you know, until we all get diseases from it?
01:44:33.000I mean, bottom line, in your guts, I mean, look at who has the motive.
01:44:37.000I mean, can you speak to motive for having these events?
01:44:39.000Why would the Arabs do something like this when it would bring down the biggest military on the planet on them?
01:44:50.000There is an answer to that, and that would be if they were clever enough to suck us into a Middle Eastern quagmire.
01:44:58.000We do appear to be in a quagmire, both in Iraq and in Afghanistan, where the activity is again heating up and we are now leaning on the British to put more troops in Afghanistan.
01:45:13.000But Bush said they wanted to have permanent bases there and wanted to have somewhat of a quagmire.
01:45:17.000I guess it's not this bad of a quagmire.
01:45:21.000You know, if we can't occupy Baghdad or control the road to the airport, I don't know how we're going to have a permanent base.
01:45:28.000But I agree with you that there's too many There are too many reasons to disbelieve the government.
01:45:37.000There are too many problems with what they tell us.
01:45:43.000If I had a neighbor for ten years who all he ever did was lie and cheat me, and then he said, hey, let me house-sit for you, why would I trust him?
01:45:52.000All the government does is lie and cheat us.
01:45:54.000Well, if that's what I said, we still don't know about John F. Kennedy.
01:45:59.000We do know they lied about Ruby Ridge, Waco.
01:46:26.000My group and the Skycraper Safety Campaign were the only two groups that went to Washington to Congress to ask for a commission to be created.
01:46:34.000We got the commission created, but it was after a big headache.
01:46:38.000You may remember that the President said, we don't need a commission, we already know who did it.
01:46:43.000And we said, no, the families and the victims have the right to know exactly what happened and what took us to that position.
01:46:51.000And after a lot of press, bad press, and a lot of manipulation, we have to put actually widows and mothers on TV to actually press for the White House to change their position.
01:47:21.000Maybe a group of states getting together and having a commission or putting together our own maybe nationally televised private commission with experts.
01:47:32.000I think what you're trying to do, what Mr. Rodriguez is trying to do, what other people whose integrity forces them to ask questions, which probably don't do them any good, they will continue. they will continue.
01:47:50.000Just like people have continued to challenge the official story of Kennedy's assassination, And I don't know whether it will have any effect of ever getting the story correct or not.
01:48:02.000It may have an effect over time of making succeeding generations.
01:48:08.000Best trusting of what the government tells them.
01:48:10.000But Doctor, what about Dick Cheney in the September 2000 PNAC document saying we need a Pearl Harbor?
01:48:17.000Krasinski saying a helpful Pearl Harbor for imperial mobilization to mobilize the slaves, that's us.
01:48:50.000Well, it's been a notorious characteristic of governments for a long time.
01:48:58.000You know, in the Tsarist government, in pre-Boschvit Russia, the secret police used to carry out terrorist acts so they could go arrest people that they wanted to arrest.
01:49:21.000The World Trade Center and I don't know the answer but I agree that what we've been told seems to have problems and that the government is not very attentive to answering those problems.
01:49:36.000It has no indication of wanting to face these challenges and reply to them.
01:49:49.000Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan.
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01:53:46.000Dr. Roberts, of course, writes for counterpunch.com, antiwar.com, newsmax.com, of all places, and you can just type Paul Craig Roberts in and you'll see Literally hundreds of different websites.
01:54:00.000PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars are routinely linked to those stories as well.
01:54:06.000But the reason we have Mr. Roberts on is, you know, he's just saying, hey, this official story's got holes in it, and things stink to high heaven, and that's why it's important.
01:54:15.000More and more prominent people are stepping forward, and regardless of what happened on 9-11, I know what happened.
01:56:07.000Does it matter if I have him on tape like a hundred times saying it?
01:56:10.000Well, people who will lie like that will lie about anything, and I think that is the point that people, the public, has to come to terms with.
01:56:18.000Has Bush stole the souls of the conservative America because so many of them mindlessly worship him when he is the 180 degree difference from conservatism?
01:58:17.000It is Monday, the 27th day of June 2005.
01:58:22.000I got a bunch of news on Iraq, a bunch of news on the police state, other whistleblowers on 9-11.
01:58:28.000But in this hour, we're going to take your calls, and we've got William Rodriguez, one of the major heroes of 9-11, went back into the building to save people, had it collapse on him, and he was there in the basement when the bombs went off.
01:58:41.000And he's saying right before the plane even hit, and other witnesses have said that, and others were told to shut up about it.
01:58:48.000This is just part of this tapestry of ongoing lies, and Greg Zemensky, who is a prolific writer for AmericanFreePress.net, And just squadrons of other websites.
01:59:03.000And gentlemen, thanks for holding during that 25-minute interview with former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts.
01:59:11.000You know, when somebody pretty mainstream like Paul Craig Roberts says the official story is a fraud, the globalists have got a big problem, don't they, Greg?
01:59:20.000Yeah, you know, it's nice to hear Paul's comments.
01:59:23.000And yeah, I mean, when you start getting people on board like this with the credibility of Mr. Roberts and others, the issue is going to have to be addressed.
01:59:35.000And I hope I hear the government start addressing some of these issues.
01:59:40.000I might add one little lighter note, but not really a lighter note.
01:59:44.000There's a play going to be held, this is the first one in the country, in Hollywood.
01:59:49.000I just read a small story on that, and hopefully it's going to be the first stage play.
01:59:55.000It's going to be at the Met Theater starting July 17th, a two-hour play on 9-11, and it's done by a woman by the name of Sophia Shapkort, is her name.
02:00:07.000I believe that's how you pronounce it.
02:00:08.000And she'd be somebody nice to talk to, Alex, so think about that.
02:00:11.000And they're doing a play on government involvement, right?
02:00:14.000Yeah, well, no, it's basically going to go through four segments.
02:00:16.000Demolitions, Demolitions, the hijackers, war games, and then I believe the last part is who benefits.
02:00:23.000So it's a real nice... I think they're using the visual medium, you know, the visual medium, and they're going to put together a nice little... I've seen these plays where they project video behind players on the stage.
02:00:36.000They want to use William's story as an addition now.
02:00:39.000They're going to go through some... I saw Philip K. Dick, Philip K. Dick, book, Flow My Tears, The Policeman, said, That was done with it with those screens.
02:00:49.000Yeah, and they're asking asking me maybe to do like a five-minute intro So I'm thinking about that right now, but that's a that's a that's a lady You should talk to and hopefully some of the Hollywood stars will get on board to get the word across well done Greg Let's bring on Mr. Rodriguez on William so many people are have been standing up and telling the truth, but you were right there.
02:01:10.000You were a victim of this and also a hero of this.
02:01:13.000Hearing Mr. Roberts, Dr. Robertson, your comments.
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02:08:44.000I want it all for trying to come to some answers for the Some of us that, well, we need people out there asking questions.
02:08:55.000But I have one quick question and that is, did anybody save their clothing from when the buildings were exploded for residue testing of explosives?
02:09:06.000Actually, I have my clothing when I was from the rubble and actually after that I was watched with water from the Hudson River.
02:09:15.000They have a pump to actually take all the debris from your face and your body and I was actually watched down there.
02:09:21.000But I still have stuff in their pockets like dust and stuff like that.
02:09:57.000You have the steel almost a year and a half after, because the actual steel was sold to China and Korea.
02:10:05.000Yeah, Phil Berg's written about that in his complaint, and other people have written stories about FEMA's quick actions that day.
02:10:14.000Basically, they were nearby doing some kind of FEMA... Tripod tube!
02:10:20.000Yeah, nearby, and as soon as the thing hit, they cordoned that thing off.
02:10:24.000Nobody got a chance to get the evidence.
02:10:26.000Only their official cameras were allowed to videotape the wreckage.
02:10:30.000Yeah, it was a pretty interesting situation why FEMA blocked everything off.
02:10:35.000Then they immediately get the rubble out.
02:10:37.000I even had stories where they were so concerned about the rubble that they had GPS tracking on every truck that left.
02:10:45.000And also, a gentleman who was driving a truck, which I haven't been able to verify yet, was supposedly fired for taking an extra-long lunch and they didn't know where he was.
02:10:55.000Yeah, so basically, uh... You know, listen, did you know in the Oklahoma City bombing, folks, it blew out, and then the news reported it showed, you know, removing bombs.
02:11:14.000blew it up, blew up the wreckage, they hauled it away under armed guard, buried it in a landfill, poured concrete in with the chunks, and have armed guards with Heckler & Koch MP5s.
02:11:27.000They're guarding it to this day, ten years later.
02:11:32.000Just to add to that, you have, for example, Diane Horning, who has An organization of family members who is trying to get the actual remains from the city dump where they put everything from the workplace center and she has been unsuccessful to get a proper burial for these people.
02:11:51.000Yeah, for those who don't know, there were the remains of literally thousands of people in there and they just know we're putting it in the dump and then shipping it to China.
02:12:39.000Now I knew they took it to two different landfills.
02:12:42.000I knew they scraped off about a foot of the topsoil.
02:12:45.000But what I didn't know is they had it buried in private landfills and concrete trucks lined up dumping concrete in with it trying to seal it all up so even archaeologists would have trouble getting it 100 years from now.
02:13:00.000Gentlemen, what does that sound like to you?
02:13:20.000I sit here and I write this story about William.
02:13:24.000One thing in the back of my mind I think about, and that's President Bush likes to talk about how he's the president of the people and the president of NASCAR.
02:13:33.000He likes to sit and have a beer with everybody.
02:13:45.000And actually, I'm glad that you mentioned Phil Berg, because actually I put up, I am the plaintiff of the lawsuit against the President.
02:13:52.000It's a RICO lawsuit, and people can actually go to the website and petition, sign the petition of these to go actually to the federal court.
02:14:21.000But if anybody wants to contact me after the show, they can do it through you, through your show.
02:14:29.000And I'd be available for any kind of questions or any kind of requests as long as... Well, we're going to be having you back on, and I want you to send me the substantive video, and I'll get it out and put it on the web, and millions will see it, because this needs to be seen.
02:14:42.000I need to do a little mini-video report, and maybe Greg can write about it.
02:14:56.000For the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty.
02:15:01.000And something that I heard this morning on GCN is so disturbing and ominous that I went to prayer who to reach, you or Dr. Stan or who, and I felt the Lord told me, you are the only one who will bring this out.
02:15:13.000And hearing this good program again, this bridal program with Greg and with Mr. Rodriguez, I'd congratulate them.
02:15:20.000And very quickly, not to waste your time, What I did here was Janet C. Phelan, who was a reporter at the St.
02:15:27.000Monica Daily Press, and she was looking into something very ominous and strange going on with the waterworks that's coming in St.
02:15:36.000Louis, she said, Vermont, and Houston.
02:15:39.000And actually the title of her thing is Public Extermination Project.
02:15:44.000And she can get no answers, and just like Greg, she can't get the press.
02:15:48.000She resigned after she saw their attitude.
02:16:26.000And she found out about something called a public extermination?
02:16:29.000She found out about T-valves being used And, uh, this was happening in the Palisades Park area, and she just now has an article sitting on Henry Waxman's desk requesting that he honor her request to address Congress.
02:17:11.000And, you know, I think this is something that it could be disinformation, but I trust you.
02:17:16.000You don't have a lot of the New Age stuff on your program.
02:17:19.000I believe that you and Dr. Stan are true blue.
02:17:23.000And what alarmed me was I was just reading in Bob Rosio's book about how at the end of World War II, they found there was enough Zyklon B gas left to kill millions more.
02:17:36.000Look, I'll try to track this down and get it exactly what you're talking about.
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02:22:16.000I don't want to take up too much time away from the other listeners.
02:22:19.000I congratulate you and all your guests today for just doing a fantastic job.
02:22:23.000First, William Rodriguez, who was on my program four or five months ago, I don't know if I missed it, but he was talking on my program about meeting Muhammad Atta at the World Trade Center and how the 9-11 Commission covered that up.
02:22:36.000And then I'm just going to drop a quick question for Greg Siminski and I'll get my answers off the air.
02:22:40.000Greg has written a new article on the 2004 vote fraud with some new developments and I'd hope that he would maybe share a little bit of that with the listeners.
02:22:46.000So Alex, I'll let you go and I'll listen off there.
02:22:50.000Yes, Mr. Rodriguez, you say that you might have seen some of the hijackers before 9-11?
02:22:57.000Commission behind closed doors that I saw what was a Mohammed at I was more Mohammed all Matt out of your hearing I'll tell you what I started over because we didn't have you fed it up right at the first start over go ahead okay I did testify for the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and I told them that I saw one of the hijackers momad also hearing normal Mohammed at that or Matt also hearing and that actually he was taking the building because actually at that day
02:23:26.000on that date I was cleaning the bathrooms on the middle of the complex and he was asking how many public bathrooms were available The commission investigators were very angry because I told this to the FBI and I kept quiet for several years thinking that there was an official investigation and then I realized that they didn't do anything about the information that I gave them.
02:23:48.000And they were very angry, the investigators, because they said, here is not only an eyewitness account that one of the hijackers was inside the building, and number two, that they have a second alternate plan, which was to actually place bombs in the public bathrooms to actually accelerate the fall of the building.
02:24:09.000This is the actual investigators speculating.
02:24:11.000Now, the investigators worked for the Commission.
02:24:14.000And the Commission never put that statement on the final report.
02:24:18.000My statement, I don't know how the media found out, the Daily News contacted me that they knew I testified about seeing one of the hijackers.
02:24:30.000They put it on the newspaper as an exclusive, and I got only two calls from the national media to talk about it, and then it never went on the air.
02:24:38.000And again, this is the incredible thing that on the Latino community, I mean I'm from Puerto Rico, but I have created the first family group which is the Hispanic Victims Group.
02:24:51.000I went national and then international all over Latin America with all these payments.
02:24:57.000I mean, I've been the subject of over 17 different television specials, but all in Spanish.
02:25:26.000For the subsidiary of the Chicago Tribune, and what he does is he edits national columns that go all over the country, but he's also created his own column over the years, and basically did a story which said the election was stolen, and he sent it out to the papers, one being the Tribune, one of his customers, and they didn't run it.
02:25:45.000but they chose to run a rebuttal calling him a conspiracy nut.
02:25:49.000Well, this upset Bob, and I talked to Bob at length on this story and ran a story about him because I thought it was quite interesting, and explained the media hush and cover up.
02:25:58.000Well, basically, Bob was going to write a rebuttal to the rebuttal, but decided against it because he didn't want it to seem like just an in-house squabble.
02:26:06.000But basically, finally got a letter to the editor, printed the Tribune.
02:26:38.000Oh, of course, and Bob, you'd love to have him on.
02:26:40.000It'll tell you what the mainstream, what, you know, he's one of the few renegades in the mainstream media.
02:26:43.000Well, look, totally clearly, I mean, the Democratic Party is totally corrupt, totally evil, just like the Republicans, but they can't just steal an election.
02:26:51.000They've then got to have Kerry take a dive, which he did do, but clearly Al Gore won in 2000, clearly in November of 04, John Forbes Kerry won.
02:27:02.000I mean, look at these approval ratings now, but again, It doesn't mean I'm for Kerry or Al Gore.
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02:31:20.000And we're going to go to your calls and then I'm going to give Greg and William a chance to just talk about anything they think is important to reiterate or anything we haven't covered.
02:31:30.000But let's get a lot of these callers out of the way.
02:31:32.000Callers, I'm going to go to you quickly so you have your question or comment ready.
02:34:27.000And then on the 39th floor, I got up to the 39th floor.
02:34:30.000On the 39th floor, the police officer that was with me on the lower levels actually met me from the opposite stairwell.
02:34:39.000There were three stairwells, A, B, and C. I was on the B, and he came from the A staircase.
02:34:45.000And we met practically in front of the doorframe.
02:34:49.000He was with two firemen and at that moment we were talking about what was going to be the next course of action when boom, we hear the impact on the other building.
02:35:00.000Now we don't know that it's another point because we're inside the stairwells.
02:37:06.000Mr. Zemensky, any comments on what he just said?
02:37:08.000Yeah, all I wanted to say was that for a gentleman like this, that we have to take this on a daily basis and continue to have our stories told and to continue, continue on a daily basis.
02:38:37.000And this is for the radio audience out there.
02:38:41.000I have nothing whatsoever to gain with this.
02:38:46.000It's not even fame because I already was on practically all over the world with this news.
02:38:52.000And the funny thing is that people don't understand that the reason we're doing this, especially me, is a mission.
02:38:59.000I lost 200 friends that work at the building and they have enough voice whatsoever to speak for them.
02:39:07.000So it's my responsibility as a survivor and as a leader now To make those questions available to everybody, not only to those commissions, but to everybody so they could actually excuse it and look into themselves and say, is this true?
02:39:23.000Because going back to what you said before with the gentleman from the former administration of Reagan, what we need to have to actually investigate is an international commission of victims of terrorism that will be totally autonomous
02:39:41.000of any governmental influence to actually hire our own experts and to see our own evidence and come to our own conclusions and then let the government answer to the conclusions.
02:39:56.000I tell you something, we cannot have that commission established in the United States I do find that... And that won't be the end all be all either.
02:40:18.000And so we're trying to save more lives by exposing who's behind this and bringing the real perpetrators to justice, Greg.
02:40:25.000Well, yeah, you know, the question always, the people that I talk to a lot, is when's the next shoe going to fall?
02:40:31.000The next question becomes where, when, and why, and we know it's coming, and basically I think it's time to at least let them know that the charade's up and we know what's going to happen.
02:40:43.000The question is, they stay one step ahead of us, and they have the resources, the power, The control.
02:40:49.000But if we discredit them and show people who has the motive, then they may not be able to carry out the attack because they'll test the waters and know that we're not going to buy it.
02:41:21.000I mean, I look at it as a giant juggernaut, a tank coming towards us, and we're all just firing at it with a concerted effort.
02:41:28.000It's blaring on its loudspeaker, you can't stop me, I'm invincible, but the thing is smoking, you know, there's fire coming out from underneath it, it's about, it's slowing down.
02:41:38.000Let's go to Don in Michigan, then we'll go to Annette And Michael and others.
02:41:47.000Hey, I received notice a few days ago that up here in Jackson, Michigan, on the south side of town there's a park called Sparks Foundation County Park.
02:41:55.000And inside that county park, inside of a glass cage, is a section of an outer beam from the World Trade Center.
02:42:02.000So I went up to take some pictures over the weekend.
02:42:05.000And what I found on this beam, like I say, it's inside of a glass cage.
02:42:10.000I did a search on this also and I found no other beams on display except for one that's at the George Bush Museum.
02:42:33.000There's still red paint on the beam and it's identified as there's a big old number 79 that they spray painted on the side of it.
02:42:41.000And I guess my question for you... Well, I would think if they're going to release a beam, they'd sanitize it and make sure it didn't have anything incriminating, but they do make mistakes.
02:42:50.000Most of it, all of it that I knew of was hauled off.
02:43:04.000Okay, and I will also send you some pictures.
02:43:06.000You would have had them by now, but I wanted to get a close-up of the... Well, why don't you... Sir, do you know how to... Is it a digital camera or film?
02:44:10.000I'm sorry, don't even believe that, because once the building collapsed, the building doesn't have a number, like this belongs to building number one, building number two.
02:44:21.000They're just, you know, giving information that is incorrect.
02:45:22.000I have some additional information with reference to the Janet C. Whalen She was interviewed by the Power Hour this morning.
02:45:29.000She brought out that while they have been putting T-valves in the water system to monitor individual buildings, now they have new ones, which they're replacing the old ones with their computerized T-valves so that you can add individually to each building whatever you want to besides water.
02:45:54.000So bringing total control in where they can, and we have official government plans that have been declassified of springs, cities with knockout gas, the government putting stuff in the water supply, so I guess that's what the caller was mentioning?
02:46:06.000Yes, and she gave her email as Janet C. Phalen, P-H-A-L-E-N, the number 10, At yahoo.com.
02:46:21.000And so what can we, uh, I mean, what was the specifics of the story?
02:46:24.000Well, that was the specifics that she was, uh, immediately, uh, well, she resigned because they made it very clear they didn't want her around in the, uh, public, uh, the water department on the West Coast.
02:46:42.000Okay, so water... You know, I've just got to find out about this specifically instead of... It'll turn into rumors and then, you know... I'll just have to call David Joyce myself and ask him, okay?
02:47:05.000We're told that the security firm in charge of the World Trade Center complex, up and through September 10th, was headed up by Marvin Bush, President Bush's brother.
02:47:33.000Well, I heard so many stories about it, and again, you know, we could not continue checking every single angle because there's so many angles that we have here in New York.
02:47:44.000Several major newspapers did report it's true.
02:47:53.000And now, just to remind the people, in New York, we're on the news practically almost every day, twice a week, minimum, because everything is 9-11 here.
02:48:03.000And, uh, we are floated with so much information.
02:48:09.000So when you're on the street talking to people, I mean, do most New Yorkers reflect the Zogby Poll, believing there's government involvement?
02:48:21.000When you're talking to New Yorkers on the street, what do they say?
02:48:25.000They don't believe the official story.
02:48:26.000This is incredible that the majority of the people like I mean, the common sense, they said common sense, is that number one, the biggest nation in the world in terms of security, every single agency failed continuously.
02:48:42.000We'll be right back, stay with us, we've got a break.
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02:53:54.000Because we're going to run out of time, but first I want to thank William Rodriguez, survivor of 9-11, hero of 9-11, who heard the bombs going off.
02:54:02.000I want to thank Greg Zemensky for his tireless effort to expose this.
02:54:22.000Yeah, the question is, we heard reports of different floors being shut down for construction and maintenance and drills evacuating the building three times a month before 9-11.
02:55:51.000They do it in a subtle way, and it's basically that they tell you not to get into those issues because you're going to get problems with the CIA, the FBI, or everybody involved.
02:56:07.000I want to say thank you for having me on the show, and thank you for Greg who invited me to actually meet you, and you can count on me on any event.