On this episode of Conspiracy Theories, Alex Jones talks about the latest in the Bush administration, the scandal surrounding Alberto Gonzales, the Supreme Court Justice nominee, and much, much more. Alex Jones is a long-time member of the conservative movement and is a regular contributor to conservative media outlets such as Fox News and the New York Times.
00:00:13.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:21.000Well, my friends, as we come off of this three-day weekend, I want to welcome you as we come off of this three-day weekend, I want to welcome you The fifth day of July, 2005.
00:00:44.000We'll be live here for the next three hours.
00:00:48.000Coming up for part of the next hour, we'll be talking to Dr. Chris Green, who's been leading the fight against Codex Alimentarius, the global Laws being put into place against supplements, vitamins, minerals, you name it.
00:01:04.000And how that ties in to the free trade area of the Americas and CAFTA.
00:01:10.000The Senate on Friday, while most people were preparing for the holiday weekend, and while most people were busy focusing on the announced resignation of one of the Supreme Court justices, they snuck this through the Senate, though it has not yet passed the House.
00:01:30.000And I, literally, it gets worse and worse, folks.
00:01:34.000I've never had a stack of news this thick I've never had this much information to cover.
00:01:44.000I could spend the next three hours on just two or three of these subjects and issues, but we just don't have time to do it.
00:01:50.000We'll have to just shotgun effect, try to cover everything as quickly as possible.
00:01:57.000By the way, joining us in the third hour, Joe Banister, the IRS agent, the armed treasury agent, He went public, what, five years ago concerning the private nature of the Internal Revenue Service and the private corporation that runs our government.
00:02:17.000He was charged with trying to help somebody basically evade their taxes.
00:02:21.000He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.
00:02:26.000And Joe Bannister will be joining us coming up in the third hour with two of his lawyers that put on the case.
00:02:37.000We've got four guests today, three at the same time in the third hour, and I do want to have time to take a few of your calls and masses of news.
00:02:47.000Bush is saying tone down attacks against Alberto Gonzales.
00:03:27.000We'll go over who Alberto Gonzales is.
00:03:30.000And even if it isn't Gonzales this go-around with Sandra Day O'Connor Rehnquist is going to be leaving in the next six months, maybe even sooner, so look for Alberto.
00:03:42.000We have this from their favorite leaker, the syndicated columnist, from their favorite little leaker, from Robert Novak.
00:03:54.000And his article was written three days before the announcement.
00:03:58.000But, oh yes, yes, we know it's going to be Gonzales, unless there's a big enough firestorm, and make no mistake, this has been a trial balloon.
00:04:08.000There's some good news on the private property front.
00:04:11.000A whole bunch of states, from Rhode Island to Texas, are moving to pass legislation blocking the takings of private property for private use.
00:04:23.000And I've got to spend some time on this.
00:05:57.000America's future depends on the truth getting out.
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00:08:07.000Alright, today is set to be a barn burner.
00:08:20.000Last night, watching the fireworks burst over the city skyline of Austin, Texas, I basically, in my mind, symbolized our freedoms exploding and dissipating as each of the salvos exploded.
00:08:38.000And I just thought about how, to the average American, the 4th of July is a time to eat cheeseburgers and hot dogs and drink copious amounts of alcohol.
00:08:48.000There is a total disconnect with what America is really all about.
00:08:57.000It has been systematically divorced from our consciousness.
00:09:03.000I've got masses of stories here out of the Associated Press, the Houston Chronicle, the London Telegraph, where the federal government is now having to admit that Ritalin is killing children, causing all sorts of medical problems.
00:09:17.000They're admitting that Prozac-type drugs also increase suicide in adults, not just children.
00:09:23.000Validating the older studies and research and all the guests that we have discussed and covered here on this broadcast.
00:09:31.000We have this new Supreme Court vacancy.
00:09:34.000We have the Supreme Court ruling concerning takings of private property for private uses.
00:09:41.000uh... total uh... admiralty uh... law feeding on us like pirates we have an article here were former governor of minnesota jesse ventura comes out and says yeah the official 9-11 story is a fraud and he goes over it in detail we have Paul Harvey saying black slavery had to be done that smallpox blankets to the indians had to be done uh... that we should just start nuking saudi arabia
00:10:11.000Folks, I literally could take three of these articles and spend the next three hours on it, but we've got a guest coming on to talk about the Codex Alimentarius, that if we go into the free trade area of the Americas, we'll be under that regulatory system over our vitamins, minerals, all supplements.
00:10:32.000We also have the IRS armed agent, Treasury agent, Joe Bannister coming on, who just won his big court case in the third hour with his lawyers.
00:10:42.000And I'm sure many of you are chomping at the bit to talk about all of these issues.
00:10:50.000And folks, literally, normally I've got about a six-inch stack.
00:10:54.000The stack I have that I printed off, because for posterity I print each article, ladies and gentlemen, is over one foot tall.
00:11:08.000And myself and Paul Watson worked quite a bit this weekend On posting articles, writing articles, I was unable to really take a break this weekend, plus my wife got food poisoning.
00:11:22.000So I haven't really had a vacation, but it doesn't matter.
00:11:24.000I had three days to stew in my juices and to just research.
00:11:31.000And let me tell you, it is not a pretty picture.
00:11:35.000Okay, let's just take it from the top here.
00:11:40.000Bush came out this morning and said tone down attacks against Gonzales.
00:11:46.000And we wrote the detailed article Friday, Paul Watson and myself, tortured architect Gonzales could be Bush's Supreme Court pick.
00:11:53.000It was funny, back on Thursday, Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America said it looks like it's going to be Gonzales even before this was announced.
00:12:01.000That's what he was hearing inside the Beltway, now it's being confirmed.
00:12:04.000President Bush today defended Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, who is the target of conservative critics seeking a hardliner for the Supreme Court, USA Today reported.
00:12:16.000The President said he will interview prospects himself after he sorts through candidates over the next few weeks to replace Justice Sandra Day O'Connor.
00:12:23.000The newspaper said the story posted late Monday on its website.
00:12:29.000Alberto Gonzalez is a great friend of mine, Bush told USA Today.
00:12:33.000When a friend gets attacked, I don't like it.
00:12:37.000The President appealed to special interest groups running ads and mobilizing supporters for an anticipated fight of the Supreme Court nominee to tone down the heated rhetoric.
00:12:46.000It's not rhetoric, ladies and gentlemen.
00:12:49.000Alberto Gonzalez is a radical pro-abortion advocate.
00:12:54.000He isn't just, okay, I'm for some abortion, which is bad enough.
00:12:57.000He's, yes, 12-year-olds shouldn't have to tell their parents when they get them.
00:13:01.000He is not just pro-gun control, he is a radical anti-gunner who openly ruled so on the Texas Supreme Court.
00:13:32.000He was still confirmed to the Attorney General ship, despite these memos being read by the Senate.
00:13:39.000The Senate just said, okay, that's fine.
00:13:41.000You know, Senator Kerry on the committee, who... Not John Kerry, but the other Kerry, Senator Kerry's up there who helped run the Project Phoenix torture squads.
00:13:59.000So, whether it's going to be Gonzalez now, with the resignation of Sandra Day O'Connor, or in the next six months, outside next 12 months, when Chief Justice Rehnquist steps down, who's still battling cancer and basically the living dead.
00:14:17.000So this is what's going on right now, and it just shows who Bush is.
00:14:22.000I've already gotten emails being attacked as a liberal because I'm against Gonzalez after we put out this report last Friday afternoon.
00:14:30.000Within two hours of the announcement, we had the most detailed report out there.
00:14:34.000Unfortunately, other people just don't get it.
00:14:50.000So now, if you're pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-open border, pro-torture, you are a good conservative.
00:14:57.000If you are against it, you're an evil liberal.
00:15:01.000And by the way, Hillary Clinton has now come out against the open borders, and so now if you are against open borders, you're with Hillary Clinton.
00:15:45.000I'll just have to try to get into this later.
00:15:47.000I beg you to go to PrisonPlanet.com and to get the Gonzales article we wrote, to get the article on just all the stories and reports we're putting out.
00:15:56.000They're totally detailed and we put a lot of time and energy into this.
00:16:04.000We may be attacked by the Free Republic people because we're against Gonzales, so be it.
00:16:59.000Advocates genocide, ethnic cleansing, biological warfare to fight war on terror.
00:17:04.000And he says he's been choking on this for weeks, and then he just goes into how we grease the skids with black slaves, we use smallpox blankets, which are in, you know, official government documents, official letters from the time.
00:17:17.000We have some of those posted in this article.
00:17:21.000And he just says it's time to nuke Saudi Arabia.
00:17:26.000Why don't you talk about Mr. Harvey, a former Secretary of State, James Baker, defended successfully the Saudi Royal House of Saad, Against the widows of 9-11?
00:17:37.000Why don't you talk about how Al Qaeda is CIA funded?
00:17:41.000Why don't you talk about how this whole war is staged?
00:17:46.000And the scary thing is, folks, some of my earliest memories are being taken to daycare by my father before he went back to medical school and being dropped off and listening to Paul Harvey in the morning.
00:18:57.000We're going to come back from the break, and for the documentary purposes, we're going to analyze just two minutes of Mr. Harvey, and play this clip.
00:19:07.000It just... Well, we've written a six-page article on it, a small print full of hyperlinks documenting what we've said.
00:19:15.000Fair has the headline, Paul Harvey's tribute to slavery, nukes, genocide, hateful rant shows, Disney's double standard on speech, And the Chicago Tribune, Paul Harvey, ah genocide to slavery, now that's a good day!
00:19:30.000And then I found the Free Republic website, praising it.
00:19:33.000This is what the grassroots conservatives are saying, this is total mass evil.
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00:24:45.000You have to understand that when Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage and Paul Harvey and all these other people and Sean Hannity saying arrest all the militia people, put them in jail, I've seen him say it on Fox News.
00:25:02.000If your government can do this to people overseas, it can do it here.
00:25:07.000And let me tell you, I've got the Associated Press, I've got the ACLU, I've got the New York Times all reporting today that these domestic FBI spy teams are going to be running military cadres in America, folks.
00:25:22.000A massive network of tens of thousands of troops.
00:25:27.000And it's going to deal with the citizens, they admit.
00:25:35.000And so with the backdrop of Muslim extremists and Muslim terrorists, most of which are manufactured creations of the military-industrial complex, the globalist mouthpieces like Paul Harvey are able to basically warp the public consciousness into accepting this.
00:26:02.000I've been choking on something For weeks, let's get it up and get it out for what it's worth.
00:26:11.000After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Winston Churchill said that the American people, he told the American people, he said, and this is a direct quote, we didn't come this far because we are made of sugar candy.
00:26:28.000That was his response to the attack on Pearl Harbor.
00:26:31.000That we didn't come this far because we're made of sugar candy.
00:26:36.000And that reminder was taken seriously.
00:26:38.000And we proceeded to develop and deliver THE bomb, even though roughly 150,000 men, women, and children perished in Hiroshima and Nagasaki with a single blow, World War II was over.
00:26:54.000Following New York, September 11, Pearl Harbor, Winston Churchill was not here to remind us that we didn't come this far because we're made of sugar candy.
00:27:05.000So, Following the New York disaster, we mustered our humanity, we gave old pals a pass, even though men and money from Saudi Arabia were largely responsible for the devastation of New York and Pennsylvania and our Pentagon.
00:27:25.000We called the Saudi Arabians our partners against terrorism, and we sent men with rifles into Afghanistan and Iraq, and we kept our best weapons in their silos.
00:27:38.000Even now we're standing there dying, daring to do nothing decisive, because we've declared ourselves to be better than our terrorist enemies, more moral, more civilized.
00:28:14.000And we use every other weapon we can get our hands on to grab this land from whomever, and we grew prosperous!
00:28:21.000And yes, we greased the skids with the sweat of slaves.
00:28:25.000And so it goes with most great nation states, which feeling guilty about their savage pasts, eventually civilized themselves out of business, and wind up invaded, and ultimately dominated by the lean, hungry, up-and-coming, Who are not made of sugar candy.
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00:33:13.000I went down, down, down, and the flames went higher.
00:33:17.000Understand, ladies and gentlemen, that if you tune into a Neocon talk show, almost any day you'll hear, let's just nuke all of them.
00:33:26.000If you tune into one of these broadcasts, you'll hear, let's put people that disagree with the government in camps, and let's not pay their way.
00:33:37.000If you tune in, you'll hear this type of business.
00:33:39.000Now, of course, in Saudi Arabia, there's a bunch of different sects of Islamists fighting with each other.
00:33:46.000Let's understand that the CIA in the 1950s publicly radicalized the Muslims, paying tens of millions of dollars in Saudi Arabia alone until the 1990s for radical Qur'an interpretations about how to kill infidels and invade countries, stirring up jihad, or holy war, and the four pillars of the jihad, or is it five pillars of the jihad?
00:34:28.000Meanwhile, they fly the Saudis and the other Al-Qaeda members out of the country, the other Bin Laden members out of the country on September 11th, and the two days after.
00:34:38.000But we're supposed to ignore all of that and let's just start nuking them!
00:34:44.000Listen to the comments of Paul Harvey.
00:34:46.000Once upon a time, we elbowed our way onto this continent by giving smallpox-inflected blankets to Native Americans.
00:34:56.000Yes, that was biological warfare, and we used every other weapon we could get our hands on to grab this land from whoever.
00:35:58.000Do you think you're going to be safe when those individuals from the torture camps, over a hundred of them on the planet, come home to America?
00:36:07.000Do you think you'll be safe when there are police chiefs and sheriffs?
00:36:11.000Negroponte, death squad facilitator, death squad czar, literally, now the head of all domestic intelligence operations, and they're admitting they're going to be operating domestically.
00:36:23.000Now the London Observer is reporting the grim world of new Iraqi torture camps.
00:36:29.000How they drill people's kneecaps and torture them for days.
00:36:32.000Cigarette burns and electricity burns over their bodies.
00:36:35.000Then they shoot them in the head and throw them out on the street.
00:37:21.000But what really scares me is, I went to Free Republic, and I knew what I'd find, and anyone here, Paul Harvey today is the top of the story on the twelve pages of comments, And it's unbelievable.
00:39:17.000I was a little surprised to hear him speak so bluntly, but he was spot on!
00:39:25.000And then some person who's got military training says, I don't think you take on a bunch of Middle Eastern religious fanatics who are fighting an asymmetrical war by dropping atom bombs on them.
00:39:36.000We are winning with what we are doing.
00:39:39.000Then they all yell at him and tell him he's an idiot.
00:39:46.000I want you to all go enlist And then you can go over there like Sergeant Massey and other people we've had on this show, and when you shoot a three-year-old, and the baby's guts are everywhere, and you crack and start crying and have nightmares for the rest of your life, then go to Free Republic's website and post disgusting comments.
00:40:07.000You know, I've never claimed to live, folks.
00:40:10.000But, you know, I've been in a fight where somebody's beaten me over the head with post hole diggers.
00:40:18.000You know, I have had somebody put a gun to my head.
00:40:21.000I've had a little more experience than you, and believe me, real soldiers that have seen death have got a lot more experience than all of us, and they'll tell you this is insane.
00:40:30.000We're not talking about the Japanese mainland dropping two A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to, quote, scare the Russians.
00:40:37.000By the way, three weeks before they had given their unconditional signed surrender, that is publicly admitted.
00:40:46.000And, uh, just to scare the world and for empire building, they A-bombed the Japanese.
00:40:53.000And by the way, ladies and gentlemen, our government took over Japan and used it to de-industrialize this country.
00:40:59.000Japan's totally run by the globalists.
00:41:02.000And, uh, folks, there was a public ten-part plan to get Japan to attack us.
00:41:13.000But our government was so cold-blooded that they willingly left 7,000 American men, women, and children in the Philippines, wouldn't let them evacuate for a month before the invasion, because it would be good propaganda for newsreels, 4,000 plus died.
00:41:37.000Nuking them is good, or A-bombing them is good.
00:41:40.000If you knew your history, you'd know it was all set up.
00:41:42.000Our government sunk five subs that morning coming into Pearl Harbor.
00:41:47.000The generals and admirals were ordered to stand down.
00:41:50.000One of the submarines is at the Admiral Nimitz Museum, Pacific Museum in Fredericksburg, Texas.
00:41:56.000Don't look at it, hidden in plain view.
00:41:59.000You didn't know that I've interviewed members of the Flying Tigers on this broadcast?
00:42:05.000Two years before Pearl Harbor, our men were in their prop-driven aircraft blowing up Japanese troop trains.
00:42:15.000But you're so dumbed down, you don't know anything!
00:42:18.000It was a 10-part plan to get them to attack us!
00:42:23.000Seven days before they got the actual declassified communique because they'd broken the purple and blue codes and it was, Admiral Yamamoto will attack on the morning of December 8th and deal a death blow.
00:42:58.000This, you know, so many people think they're part of this elite.
00:43:02.000So many people think they're part of the power structure.
00:43:05.000You think that, oh, we're attacking the Japanese, and we're attacking the Vietnamese, and we're attacking the Iraqis, and we're getting power out of it.
00:43:15.000I mean, Paul Harvey says we'll be prosperous if we use biological warfare!
00:43:20.000This is how we get prosperous, is having slaves!
00:43:25.000Doesn't matter if your skin is as lily white as a lily, or if it's as black as night!
00:43:31.000They're gonna take your private property, they're gonna shoot you up with deadly vaccines, they're gonna push Ritalin and Prozac on your children, they're gonna jack up your property taxes, they're gonna get rid of your borders, they're gonna take your jobs!
00:43:58.000Imagine those submarines, those Trident submarines, launching those missiles, imagine them detonating over cities and turning it into a glass parking lot.
00:44:08.000Millions of children barbecuing, their heads exploding and popping and being aerosolized as they burn into the ground as black marks.
00:44:52.000Now when some random Muslim runs in with a gun and shoots five people and then blows his own head off, yeah, that's real, folks.
00:44:59.000But all these truck bombs every time there's about to be a peace process, it's come out, it's turned out, it's admitted that those are Al-Qaeda-controlled, created, Mossad organizations.
00:45:48.000And I look at twelve pages of people, nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke Saudi Arabia, nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke Iran, nuke, nuke everybody.
00:45:58.000Meanwhile, ladies and gentlemen, you don't know that they had a democratically elected leader who was anti-communist, pro-free market, wore a suit and a tie, who was secular, Mosaddegh, and our government blew up Mosque and shot everybody and blamed it on him and kicked him out in 1953.
00:46:13.000You don't know and you don't want to know the facts.
00:46:16.000You want to be a bunch of emotional demons who sit around and say, let's take the restraints off.
00:46:31.000And Paul Harvey and the rest of these people get up there on the radio with all the respect they've got and they say this, do you think you're safe when you've got a government that wants to do stuff like this?
00:46:44.000And when the globalists nuke a city in America, when the military-industrial complex detonates a nuke and kills 200,000 people, and when they start the forced labor camps and the total slavery, and when all your freedom is lost and they're taking your private property, you'll be out there waving your new empire flags, your Pan-America flags, and reporting on your neighbors because they didn't show up to the compulsory Patriot meeting.
00:47:08.000And you're going to feel so good in the little uniform they issue to you until you get arrested because some higher-level party member wants your business.
00:48:23.000You've never worked hard a day in your life.
00:48:25.000You've never grown into being a real man who has feelings and compassion and grasps the larger picture.
00:48:33.000You're just some little shriveled, frozen in the mindset of a 13-year-old shooting their mouth off about launching missiles, unloading nuclear subs, entire magazines on innocent Muslims who've done nothing entire magazines on innocent Muslims who've done nothing to you and who are scared to death with their babies dying in their arms right now from malnutrition, DU, and smart bombs that went away.
00:49:07.000Neocon followers, you claim you care about those 3,000 people that died on 9-11?
00:49:11.000You better find out who was behind it then.
00:49:14.000You claim you care so much about those 3,000 people you're so upset you want to nuke and kill tens of millions of people because you're a tough guy?
00:49:21.000Why don't you care about the 50 plus million dead babies this government has allowed the murder of?
00:49:26.000So you don't really care about those little babies, because you love Alberto Gonzales!
00:49:30.000Because to you, it's more about a win, a touchdown, getting Gonzales in!
00:49:37.000You are the scum of the earth, you are the trash of the world, you are demonic filth!
00:49:43.000And you're going to have your time upon this earth.
00:49:46.000But it's going to be very short, and God's going to punish you.
00:49:50.000And we're all, this whole country is going to go into captivity.
00:49:53.000And it isn't going to be some turban-wearing Muslim that's going to enslave you.
00:49:59.000They're going to be incinerated and totally annihilated.
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00:55:48.000Hyper-decadence to have these type of things happening.
00:55:52.000Folks, there is so much other news here.
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00:56:10.000We have a London Observer article here.
00:56:11.000Grim world of new Iraqi torture camps.
00:56:14.000Why don't you go read how they torture somebody to death with the drills and... You know, I saw that film with Chuck Norris at Delta Force where the evil Muslims drill people's knees.
00:56:25.000I guarantee you the sicko US troops doing that saw that movie and since they did it to us in the movie, it wasn't real, I will do it to them.
00:56:32.000See, these people see all these movies as real.
00:56:35.000I went and saw War of the Worlds this weekend.
00:57:11.000Folks, it's mind control, and you've got to realize this.
00:57:13.000Before we end this hour and come back with a guest on a very important issue of globalism, my new film, Martial Law, is out, and it details who the globalists are, what their master plan is, how they carried out 9-11 to scare you into submission, how they bragged about how they would do this publicly.
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01:00:20.000Well, you know, I want you to check out all of the corruption going on in San Diego.
01:00:26.000Ma'am, there's so much corruption and open admitted evil that I can't even, talking a hundred miles an hour, cover it all.
01:00:33.000Well, I still want you to come to San Diego.
01:00:37.000Well, City Council is, you know, up on these corruption charges.
01:00:43.000And, you know, I think it's a pretty big city.
01:00:49.000And I'd really like to have you and Dr. Stan and David Ikey and Kathy O'Brien all come together.
01:01:00.000But I can reach more people doing a single radio interview than coming somewhere and speaking to a crowd of a thousand people.
01:01:06.000Yeah, but I know some, I know some, I know some, you know, some pretty, you know, high up people around here that I really think need to, you know, to understand what's going on.
01:01:16.000Well, they need to go to the website, Lori.
01:01:18.000Is there any news or information on your mind?
01:01:36.000I wanted to ask you, I've been, I've awakened to the new world order about 10 years ago and I've just finished reading the book by George Orwell, 1984, and I just kind of wanted to hear your parallels between 1984 and explain to the audience.
01:01:52.000Well, there's too many parallels, but torture, false information, propaganda, government-sponsored terrorism to scare the population into submission, the terrorists working for the government, just cameras and microphones everywhere, the family broken up.
01:02:06.000I mean, there's just too many parallels.
01:02:08.000Secret police everywhere, helicopters looking through your walls.
01:02:15.000This book, which was written so long ago, can just basically foresee a future like this.
01:02:22.000That's all I wanted to say, uh, gotcha video, martial law, road to tyranny, and I'm doing my best to wake people up here in Monroe, Louisiana.
01:02:29.000Clyde, what did you think of, uh, Paul Harvey's comments?
01:02:32.000It's ridiculous, I mean, these, I, I, I wanna know, do these people actually believe the stuff, the garbage that they're spewing, or, or are they just, uh, uh, uh, just, just, just, just delusioned, or?
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01:07:19.000Darren and David and Daniel and Arthur and Ralph and John and everybody, your calls are coming up, because regardless of what issue you bring up, it'll be tied into globalism and global government.
01:07:34.000So we'll be going to your calls coming up in the next segment or so.
01:07:37.000I know people want to talk about the new Supreme Court situation, probably be Alberto, I love Torture Gonzales, and you're an evil liberal if you're against him because he's anti-gun.
01:07:49.000Paul Harvey saying black slavery was a good thing and Saying that smallpox blankets to the Native Americans was a good thing and we got to get tough and start nuking people.
01:08:02.000Some good news though on the alternative health front, a bunch of information coming out mainstream on what Ritalin does to children, what Prozac does to children.
01:08:10.000Now the FDA has issued a second warning for adults and suicide, increased suicide risk associated with serotonin reuptake inhibitors.
01:08:22.000Joe Bannister in the next hour, the man who just got done beating the IRS, former IRS agent, armed treasury officer, to be precise.
01:08:32.000But, for those that don't know, CAFTA, while you were busy getting the fishing boat ready, you're busy getting ready to go camping, you're busy getting ready to go see Grandma, getting ready for the nation's birthday, the Declaration of Independence that Thomas Jefferson wrote up, 229 years ago yesterday, and the signing of the Unanimous Declaration of Independence by the 13 independent colonies.
01:09:01.000While you were busy doing that, they passed CAFTA in the Senate, the wildly unpopular super bill that will merge us in with Central America.
01:09:09.000You thought NAFTA was bad 10 years ago with the massive, what, 5 million jobs lost conservatively.
01:09:16.000That's the Congressional Budget Office.
01:09:20.000And if it passes the House, regulations on our social security, law enforcement, continental security parameters, regulations that will tie into international regulations through Canada, that Canada has with the EU, to honor all treaty obligations, so then we'll be under Codex Alimentarius.
01:09:38.000And for those that don't know what it is, it is this giant private regulatory system similar to the WTO.
01:09:44.000The World Trade Organization was set up in 1996.
01:09:49.000But already it rules over our Congress.
01:10:04.000And that's just one of the wrinkles of this big story.
01:10:10.000And through CAFTA and the Free Trade Area of the Americas, we go under this.
01:10:15.000And joining me is a gentleman who's on the board of a very powerful and prolific organization, Coalition for Health Freedom.
01:10:22.000Coalitionforhealthfreedom.org or just go to InfoWars.com or PrisonPlanet.com.
01:10:27.000We've got links to it and they have detailed analysis there of Codex Alimentarius.
01:10:33.000And joining us is Dr. Chris Green and one of the trailblazers many years ago warning us of Codex Alimentarius and now this nightmare is arriving.
01:10:43.000And if you don't believe they'll take your supplements, folks, and make them basically prescriptions sold to you at high prices by the drug companies, then you need only look at the Supreme Court ruling of two Thursdays ago on private property.
01:10:58.000Dr. Green, good to have you on with us, sir.
01:11:00.000Alex, thanks for the opportunity to be with you and your good listening audience, and really for the fight for truth and being able to get this out to the masses, and I really appreciate the opportunity to be able to do that.
01:11:11.000It's a complex issue, but first off, tell us about yourself, the organization, any key websites.
01:11:16.000Or things you want to plug and then as if you're talking to five-year-olds because I myself have been studying this Codex Alimentarius for eight years and still it's so huge it's hard to grasp.
01:11:27.000It's something that, you know, I've worked with a couple of different organizations.
01:11:31.000Dr. Matthias Rath, who has been fighting it for a number of years, who had worked with Linus Pauling.
01:11:37.000I have done a lot of key lectures for him across the country, and we've been warning people about this Codex issue.
01:11:43.000It was something that is very hard to get a grasp on, and really when you look at the whole complexity of it, the Codex really is an outpocketing of two joint committees.
01:11:55.000You have the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, and then the World Health Organization.
01:12:00.000What they were trying to do was to formulate one single standard governing the sale of food and food supplements across the country or across the world.
01:12:08.000And so this whole globalization that you're talking about is exactly right.
01:12:12.000What we have to remember is that with where we stand, I think that we have to remember that it's not going to affect our laws right now.
01:12:22.000And what you had done very eloquently is to say that the CAFTA, the Central American Free Trade Agreement, that is really going to be the burgeoning aspect of what's going on.
01:12:32.000And to really see if we're going to have to follow these guidelines that Codex is now implementing.
01:13:52.000It's written up by the drug companies, passed in friendly countries, and then if we sign treaty deals, we have to follow those obligations.
01:14:00.000Give us the tales of what it'll do if they get their way.
01:14:03.000Well, when you look at it from this standpoint, the Codex Committee met yesterday, so their meeting in Rome, Italy started yesterday.
01:14:12.000They have already passed the guidelines now for Codex that will be a world, I guess, perspective on it.
01:14:19.000And when you look at this, what's going to happen is that We are going to be in the middle of being able to have certain supplements being taken away from us over time.
01:14:41.000I mean, when you look at the safety of the food supplement industry, it's unparalleled.
01:14:46.000I mean, there's nothing that comes close And you look at the pharmaceutical and drug industry, to me it's the third leading cause of death, but if you read Carolyn Dean and Gary Null's work, it's the leading cause of death in this country.
01:14:58.000A couple hundred thousand deaths a year, admittedly, from drug reactions.
01:15:03.000And so with supplements, what they've done is taken examples like tryptophan that was pulled off the market in 1989, Well, we have to make sure it's safe.
01:15:12.000Well, all that happened was that you had a company called Showa Dinka that did not filter their product and it created a problem with a muscular disorder that killed about 145 people.
01:15:23.000When you look at the whole picture though, tryptophan has been really used very safely.
01:15:30.000Pharma kills 285,000 last year's numbers and supplements from sometimes people putting bad ingredients in a couple hundred.
01:15:46.000Well, I think that's what it's coming down to.
01:15:48.000I think that you're going to look at serious codex guidelines under other issues.
01:15:52.000We're going to be looking at genetically modified organisms, irradiation, antibiotics, hormones, pesticide residues.
01:15:58.000You're going to look at the Monsanto being able to use the Roundup Ready crops in these countries, where the seeds, they have to keep getting the seeds from Monsanto to grow their crops.
01:16:43.000Well, I mean, they come on and on every day, and what's nice is I've been able to really catalog quite a few of these articles, and as we see, when do you see the supplements?
01:16:52.000There's really nothing in there showing that supplements are really doing any harm.
01:16:57.000And yet, what Codex is now doing, they're misapplying a toxic chemical risk assessment model to helpful nutrients.
01:17:04.000So what's going to happen is that they're looking at only the risk side of supplements and not the benefit.
01:17:12.000So that's not even our normal standard because they quote look at the benefits of Ritalin when you know quote outweighing the bad benefits.
01:17:18.000Absolutely and so when you look at the aspect of what's going to happen I think that we're going to be seeing lower standards across the world of what is available.
01:17:29.000So in other words, they're going to lower vitamin C to, let's say, from 2,000 milligrams to 200 milligrams.
01:17:35.000Vitamin D will drop from like 50 IUs to 5 IUs.
01:17:39.000Vitamin E from 1,000 daily IUs to maybe 15 IUs.
01:17:43.000That'll be illegal for stores to sell it in higher increments, and they're admitting they're going to track how many bottles you buy.
01:17:49.000Well, and what's going to happen too is that you're going to see that it's going to be synthetic isolates that are going to be primarily available.
01:17:56.000And you're seeing a lot of these companies that are in the pharmaceutical industries that are already readying for these standards because they knew what was coming down the pipe.
01:18:05.000So basically it's economic warfare as well, not just a control issue going after a great industry.
01:18:11.000Well, I believe so, and what's sad about it is that you have many within our own industry that really feel that Codex is not going to be an issue, and that the Dietary Supplement Health Education Act of 1994, which really saved our industry, and it took over 2.6 million people writing letters Well, Dr. Green, stay right there.
01:18:31.000I want to talk about solutions and ways to fight this.
01:18:33.000This is only one issue, MCAFTA and FTAA.
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01:23:13.000I'm jumping in a lot on Dr. Chris Green, who of course is on the board of the Coalition for Health Freedom, coalitionforhealthfreedom.org.
01:23:21.000Doc, You know, it's just like the Supreme Court ruling two weeks ago about taking private property for private use.
01:23:30.000People said, oh don't worry, that's just in this case.
01:23:32.000And now all over the country, from Texas to California to New York, they're moving to take private property for private use.
01:23:39.000People are in systemic denial about just this, you have to take these international laws and treaties and rules in the context of everything else.
01:23:52.000It's a tsunami, a tidal wave of regulatory control written up by big predatory corporations.
01:23:59.000Well this has happened, I mean, when you look at it, I don't think it's just happened overnight.
01:24:03.000I think this is something that's been coming down the pike for quite a bit, quite a long time.
01:24:07.000Unfortunately, the conventional news media is not covering the real issues here and shows like yours that is getting this word out and being able to raise people's awareness.
01:24:20.000I do a radio show here in the Atlanta area.
01:24:26.000These issues that are being taken away from us, these things that we take for granted, that all of a sudden we're going to wake up one day and realize that we've lost many of our fundamental rights.
01:24:55.000And we have been talking about health issues primarily, but we've had to obviously get into the political arena based on what's going on with the Central American Free Trade Agreement.
01:25:05.000And now, it's ironic that the Codex Commission Past its ruling on July 4th.
01:25:34.000Well, a couple things that I think that are important right now.
01:25:36.000We have, as you mentioned, that the House has already passed the CAFTA resolution, and now it's, I mean, excuse me, the Senate.
01:25:43.000And now that's going to be up to the House.
01:25:45.000Now, this week, As Congress is not in session, is the time to get to your congressman and talk about CAFTA and talk about Codex and your concerns with that.
01:25:57.000And so my recommendation at this point is to get with your congressman locally and to tell him your concern about CAFTA because they will vote on it, I'm assuming, around July 11th.
01:26:08.000And we will know by next week Where we stand with Captain, I'm really nervous about that vote.
01:26:14.000Captain is wildly unpopular, like the open borders and everything else, and major polls were upwards of 90% against it.
01:26:24.000Well, it was only 65% against NAFTA back in 1994 before people knew the details, but still we had the majority.
01:26:30.000It's unconstitutional, it's un-American, plus everybody's against it, but the Senate passed it, and the House committees passed it too!
01:26:38.000Well, what was concerning me is that Orrin Hatch, who has been a big supporter of the vitamin supplement industry, approved it as well, and I'm like, well, People are saying, well, we don't have to worry about what's going on here because we have the Shea.
01:27:55.000You can also go to our website www.coalitionforhealthfreedom.org and it has an action link and it also I think has a link to the documentary.
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01:36:03.000Dr. Green, we're going to go to calls here right now, but anything else that's important that we need to be aware of?
01:36:08.000Well, just the fact is this, is that number one, you mentioned the issues about Prozac and Ritalin and what's going on with these black box warnings.
01:36:16.000I mean, people need to wake up to the fact that we are not drug deficient.
01:36:22.000That the fast food manufacturers are just as guilty as we purvey this crap that they lay on us as far as white flour, white sugar, all these artificial colors and flavors and things to preserve the food but have no nutritive value.
01:36:38.000When you give them these drugs, it further depletes their bodies of these important nutrients They either commit suicide or they have these mass rampages that we saw in Minnesota with that Jeff kid.
01:36:50.000And it's just very, very, I think, scary the fact that we are not waking up to that fact.
01:36:55.000I think that your listeners are waking up to that fact, but it's getting that message nationally.
01:37:00.000When you have over 70% of the country using some form of alternative medicine at this point, having this freedom, like you say, eventually taken away, it's very insidious.
01:37:12.000But it's going to happen later down the road that we do have to wake up, that we do call our congressmen and let them be aware that we do not want to support CAFTA.
01:38:33.000I know it's a shame with this calf, what they're doing, and I'm really into my nutrients, also my vitamins, because the food is so bad.
01:38:42.000Now, you said somewhere down the line, as far as the timeline, what are you looking at to try to put this in place?
01:38:49.000Well, just a real brief thing that we haven't talked about.
01:38:52.000That was the European Food Directive, and Alex, I don't know if you know much about that, but that is really the precursor of what Codex is really based on.
01:39:00.000That had a ruling April 5th from the Alliance for Natural Health by Dr. Rob Berkirk, who was fighting that food directive.
01:39:07.000And that food directive is essentially, as of August 1st this year, is going to remove approximately 75% of the supplements in the European Union off the shelves.
01:39:18.000Now, Rob Kirk and his organization fought and won a lawsuit on that, but the final ruling on that was supposed to take place before the Codex meeting.
01:39:28.000Unfortunately, the powers that be, they pushed it to July 12th, which is three days after the Codex finishes.
01:39:34.000Doctor, I don't know as much as you do about this, but I've been studying it again for about eight years.
01:39:38.000Bottom line, if they get this through, we're looking at about two years before this starts.
01:39:42.000About two years approximately, that is correct.
01:39:45.000What you're going to see is the final draft, I think, guidelines that will be wrapped up in defining The World Health Organization upper safe limit.
01:39:53.000So basically the Simmons is coming down here in the next few weeks.
01:39:56.000We've got to and then we'll just be on death row.
01:40:09.000They've openly said, and it's funny you said that, by 2008, we see every one of their programs, national ID cards, all of it, by 08, enforced by 010.
01:40:19.000We're going to wake up tomorrow, folks, and it's going to be 08, 010.
01:40:25.000Uh, no, I originally called to say something about Paul Harvey, but... No, say it!
01:40:29.000You covered it all, brother, but, uh, he doesn't realize black Americans have been some of the greatest patriots, and Native Americans have been some of the greatest patriots that this country's seen in every war.
01:40:40.000Well, for those that don't know, he said, hey, we got tough and gave them smallpox blankets, and we greased the skins of black slaves, and we gotta get tough again and use nukes.
01:40:50.000And when people fall into that and think that they're going to be part of this New World Order, that's when the surprise is going to come into it.
01:41:29.000He has absolutely no teeth, and I'd appreciate it if you could get him back on and hold his feet to the fire about how weak that proposed amendment is.
01:41:39.000Okay, Daryl, you're talking about the state rep I had on from San Antonio concerning the situation with Freeport, Texas, where they're trying to take private property away from somebody for a private marina, and you're saying you've read the legislation, which I have to admit I've been so busy I just scanned over it, and you're saying it's weak?
01:41:58.000Yes, the proposed constitutional amendment that they're wanting to put on the ballot in November It has absolutely no teeth.
01:42:17.000And you know, going back to Dr. Green, Chris Green, who is, of course, on the board of Coalition for Health Freedom, and the website there is coalitionforhealthfreedom.org, You know, the phony war on drugs.
01:42:30.000We've got more drugs on the streets than ever.
01:42:32.000Now we're going to have this war on supplements, literally making them illegal if they have their way, if it's not, you know, distributed by big pharma.
01:42:40.000Really, it gets back to controlling our own lives, controlling what we put in our bodies, and it ties into this other private property issue.
01:42:48.000It's just private property and freedom of choice is under attack at every level, doctor.
01:42:53.000When you look at that problem that of forced vaccinations, where people think they have to have these vaccines, you look at the problem with the food and the food quality that we're looking at in this country, and our choices just slowly really being whittled away, I mean, we're looking at the population being reduced And it's a very great plan and how they're doing that.
01:43:14.000And I mean, I hate to say that, but that's exactly what's happening here.
01:43:19.000You're going to see more and more people get sick and suffer more and more degenerative diseases as we've seen over the last hundred years in this country.
01:43:26.000The amount of degenerative diseases has skyrocketed.
01:43:28.000Doctor, they had a report a few years, last year on CBS locally, but it was put out nationwide.
01:43:35.000And it openly said that mercury is good for you, contrary to popular belief.
01:43:40.000I mean, they're getting that crazy where they're saying mercury in vaccines is good for children.
01:43:45.000Mercury is a known toxin, carcinogen, end of story.
01:43:48.000I mean, at no level is it good for you at all.
01:43:51.000Well, I've seen the sign of it reports by major mainstream medical institutions that it is the most destructive heavy metal in the brain, the most reactive.
01:43:59.000Well, where we're getting the most sources are, I mean, when you look at what a child goes through by the time he's two years of age, He's gotten over 200 times the lethal, I mean, not lethal, but 200 times the amount that's considered safe by the FDA.
01:44:15.000And so when you look at that aspect of it, and then you look at what's going on with these kids in mercury fillings, and then the dental profession is not acknowledging that, and the problems that you look at with the vapors from those being secreted over year after year after year, And then 25 years later you're seeing the same vapors being secreted by these mercury fillings.
01:44:35.000No wonder we're having the degenerative conditions that we're having in our society.
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01:45:04.000Mercury-containing vaccines may help not harm kids, according to two new studies in the journal Pediatrics.
01:45:10.000There have been widespread concerns that mercury-based preservatives in vaccines might impair the neurological development of children.
01:45:16.000These new studies suggest that the opposite, that the preservatives may actually be associated with improved behavior and mental performance.
01:45:24.000And of course, those were government-funded studies, so I would expect to start seeing mercury pills on the store shelves, Doctor.
01:45:31.000Well, I mean that's very laughable because when you look at what's happening is that we're looking at different things that are going on within the brain that the mercury really creates a real pathogenic approach to it.
01:45:42.000And what's going on there is that we're seeing this correlation with autism and these vaccinations.
01:45:49.000For those that don't know, it moves like a living creature.
01:45:52.000It literally burns through the brain like acid and continues moving from neuron to neuron.
01:45:57.000We have the electron microscope video on the website.
01:46:00.000Whereas other heavy metals just toxify and kill them slowly, mercury actually short-circuits them and they explode.
01:46:07.000Well, David Kennedy has an excellent, another website, www.iaomt.org, and he goes into that fact and showing how mercury accumulates in various organs and tissues and creates that devastation.
01:46:22.000But according to them, I mean, next we'll hear cyanide's nutritious.
01:47:11.000That may have just been somebody not reading their cue card correctly, but that's what we're going into regardless.
01:47:15.000I mean, we have the end of the Canadian papers come right out, Dr. Green, and admit that CAFTA is the beginning of the end of their sovereignty, but you don't see that in our papers, Doctor.
01:47:23.000And unfortunately, it is the beginning of the end.
01:47:26.000When you look at what's going on, I mean, it's really the final step, the likely last step to be able to create the free trade area of the Americas.
01:47:33.000That's really, I think that's going to be on the agenda before Bush leaves office to have that completely in place.
01:47:52.000Don't be too surprised about Paul Harvey.
01:47:55.000I pulled this off of the Shrine of North America's site.
01:47:58.000He was initiated as a Freemason on September 30th of 1936 in Tulsa, Oklahoma. - I knew that, yes. - He was also inducted into the Order of D-Malay June 25th of 1993.
01:48:15.000My chiropractor sells supplements as well, and he's got a powdered form of vitamin C.
01:48:21.000Will that codex allow for powdered supplements where you can control your dosage or not?
01:48:26.000No, the way I'm looking at it and reading it, they're trying to really restrict any type of supplement like that because what they're looking at is trying to get very rigid Yeah, I've read a bunch of it just to jump in here.
01:48:42.000And what they do is they only authorize vitamins and minerals that are delivered into the capillet as part of a very expensive process to shut out competition.
01:48:54.000And as the doctor said, those tend to be the synthetic types.
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01:52:50.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
01:53:01.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
01:53:06.000Former special agent assigned to the Treasury, Joe Bannister, talking about his big court victory.
01:53:12.000Will be coming up with his lawyers in the next hour.
01:53:14.000Bunch of other news in a short time to cover it all.
01:53:18.000Take a few final calls from Wesley and David, and then that's going to be it with this important guest, Dr. Green.
01:53:25.000But Dr. Green, people don't know that the vaccines are literally bred in these different soups of animal and human tissues and that they fight all these weird viruses and bacteria and DNA fragments.
01:53:37.000This is admitted in the vaccines that are causing, in many cases, more health problems than they supposedly even treat.
01:53:44.000Well, when we see like the polio vaccine, for instance, and we're finding now that many tumors, cancerous tumors, have the SV40 virus, the simian virus 40 virus that is a part of the tumor, obviously what we're seeing is that these things are not working.
01:54:00.000That actually when you look at Even still now, 250,000 people a year still suffer with some paralytic polio, and this is despite the fact that two vaccines, one available since 55, the other since the early 60s, are basically, you know, not working in these third world countries.
01:54:18.000Well, they admitted that the smallpox vaccine they wanted to give medical workers, who by the way were fused almost unanimously, would actually give many people smallpox.
01:54:36.000Doctor, I would like to stock up on vitamins and I wonder if you have any suggestions as to what we can do to lengthen the shelf life of those vitamins?
01:54:53.000I mean at this point the major thing that I would be looking at if I were going to do anything and what I keep in my own medicine cabinet is I use a lot of North American Urban Spices oil of oregano.
01:55:03.000I think it's one of the more broad spectrum killers, antimicrobials, I mean fungus, bacteria, virus, I mean even bacteria that mutates.
01:55:11.000Yeah, bottom line Wesley, we want to defeat this, we don't want to have to store it, I mean most vitamins go bad in a few years.
01:55:18.000Dark, cold places, generally, but some vitamins that will actually destroy them, so we can't, you know, it's too big of a subject to give advice on that.
01:55:25.000I want to take a final call from Puerto Rico, but anything else Wesley?
01:56:51.000Doctor, final comments on what he just said.
01:56:53.000Well, I think overall just keeping up the good work and what your show is doing and being able to get people aware of what's happening and that the freedoms are being really breached in many areas and being able to really wake up the collectiveness because people seem to be in a coma and there's a lot of apathy out there.
01:57:11.000And a lot of that has to do with bad nutrition and bad water.
01:58:10.000The third and final hour of this July 5th, 2005 edition.
01:58:15.000And we have coming up the next segment, Joe Bannister, fresh off a big victory against the IRS, former special agent, and his lawyers, Robert Bernhost and Robert Barnes.
01:58:26.000But I want to play this dark side clip as a tribute to Paul Harvey, who came out and said, hey, slavery helped this country.
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02:05:45.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
02:05:51.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
02:05:56.000That's right, for 9 years on talk radio, for 11 on local TV, we've talked about broadcasting, transmitting from behind enemy lines.
02:06:05.000In the information war, Because ten years ago, the alternative media was a puny, almost unknown commodity.
02:06:12.000Now it is gigantic and mammoth and very diverse and actually giving battle to the controlled corporate media.
02:06:20.000And so we're no longer behind enemy lines as we were.
02:06:34.000More victories than we are suffering defeats.
02:06:37.000But the globalists and the organized crime syndicates that control it and own it are turning up the heat and striking back viciously, savagely.
02:06:49.000You know, first hour we talked about national talk show hosts from Michael Savage to Rush Limbaugh to now Paul Harvey calling for nuking people and putting people in camps and torture being wonderful.
02:07:01.000And in the second hour, we talked about CAFTA and the Codex Alimentarius to restrict vitamins and minerals, mainstream vitamins and minerals, overstore counters.
02:07:11.000We're talking about private property loss with the Supreme Court ruling that they can take your property, and we're looking at the cases without even just compensation.
02:07:21.000Just the amount of corruption that we're facing is unbelievable, but the people are becoming aware of it.
02:07:26.000Now, for the next 15 minutes, we are honored To be joined by a former special agent with the Treasury assigned to the Internal Revenue Service.
02:07:37.000Badging a gun, you know, raids on pretty serious people.
02:07:41.000And he heard a talk show back in the mid-90s and the talk show host had a guest on talking about how it was a big scam.
02:08:16.000I want, for those that don't know who you are, a small portion of our audience, but still quite large.
02:08:21.000Probably hundreds of thousands of people that don't know who you are listening right now.
02:08:25.000Tell us who Joe Bannister is and your awakening that was so similar to my awakening.
02:08:33.000Tell us about that process and then what it led you into, and then we'll bring in your amazing champions, Robert Bernhoff and Robert Barnes, your lawyers, your counselors.
02:08:47.000Thank you, Alex, and thank you very much for inviting me on.
02:08:50.000I know we've known each other for quite a while, since 1999 when I resigned from the IRS.
02:08:56.000You came out to California to visit me, to see if I was the real deal.
02:09:02.000Basically, I worked for the IRS from 1993 through 1999, and my intention, of course, was to spend a full career there in their criminal investigation division, investigating violations of federal income tax and money laundering laws.
02:09:19.000And I actually have a family full of public servants.
02:09:23.000Two younger brothers that are police officers and one that's a firefighter.
02:09:27.000Government services runs in our family back a couple generations.
02:09:33.000And so I started work at the IRS using my financial skills to protect the Treasury, go after cheaters, and expected to live my life doing so.
02:09:45.000But as you said, about three years into the five-year stint there, I was listening to a talk radio show by a host who I otherwise thought of as trustworthy and truthful.
02:09:58.000He had this woman speaking about the income tax and saying that it was largely a voluntary system.
02:10:06.000Given that I carried a gun around and a six-hour 9mm and thought that the income tax was quite mandatory, And I had the enforcement equipment to prove it.
02:10:21.000I thought this can't possibly be true.
02:10:24.000But the talk show host, as I said, seemed like a good guy.
02:10:28.000So I thought either I'm a really bad investigator and I can't read people whatsoever or there's something to this.
02:10:36.000And so I began looking into it and expected at every turn of the page that I would find The BS, so to speak, you know, finds the holes in this claim.
02:10:46.000And what I really encountered was more and more evidence that there was some truth to it.
02:10:53.000That the IRS was basically administering the income tax system beyond what the statutes passed by Congress and the regulations written by the Secretary of the Treasury authorized.
02:11:05.000And I didn't want that really to be the result of my analysis, but as far as I could tell, that's what it was.
02:11:12.000So when it got to be February of 1999... Now by the way, you didn't just two days decide, you spent two years researching, correct?
02:11:21.000Yeah, I mean, I'm a father of two boys, married now for nearly 18 years.
02:11:27.000and I worked a 50-hour work week, and I did all this on my own time.
02:11:32.000So I'd either have to take vacation hours or weekends, evenings.
02:11:44.000I really dotted my I's, crossed my T's, and did an investigation just as I would.
02:11:51.000Well, you wrote a quintessential brief on this as if you were going to a grand jury, and you brought it to them and said it's in, what, 90-something pages, Please give me an answer on this.
02:12:00.000Yes, I thought it was appropriate, and in fact, it said in the procedures that it was quite appropriate to bring these concerns to my supervisors.
02:12:10.000And within a few days I was given a choice, well basically to go home immediately on administrative leave and think about what I would do for a week, but I had already told them that if they couldn't address my concerns that I'd be forced to resign because I couldn't serve two masters.
02:12:27.000And I thought that given that the supervisors I submitted my report to took the same oath that I did, had to follow the same procedures that I did, That somehow I would get some kind of response other than, here's your paperwork to tender your resignation, see you later.
02:12:49.000I resigned on February 25, 1999, and since I didn't get my answers from the IRS, even though I worked for them, I continued over the next many years to try to get answers.
02:13:03.000And now, six years later, there were a whole bunch of full-page ads, front section, USA Today, other IRS agents, other people.
02:13:11.000For those that don't know, the 16th Amendment, it's official, we've been to the state agencies, never ratified, income tax, a fraud, totally unconstitutional, it's all color of law, and all of this came out later, and then in a nutshell, because I want to go to your lawyers who are here, because we've got to be Careful, because this can still be under appeal.
02:13:30.000I want to go over what happened in court and talk about any other issues you want.
02:13:35.000But leading you into this, they basically tried to silence you, what, five years after you went public, and they tried to put you under the jail, Joe.
02:13:45.000Yeah, in 2001, there was a criminal investigation.
02:13:48.000We learned at some point that a criminal investigation was instituted in 2000 or 2001.
02:13:54.000And then in 2003, there was an effort to basically lock me out of the Internal Revenue Service as an advocate, as a CPA.
02:14:04.000I'm sure you and your listeners are aware that CPAs and attorneys routinely assist people with IRS matters.
02:14:11.000And given that I had quite a bit of experience in that department, I would occasionally assist clients with their IRS matters.
02:14:19.000And unlike most CPAs, I was certainly not fearful of the agency, and I could actually point out indications of fraud in their computer systems and what they had done to the client.
02:14:31.000And so, of course, they didn't like that, and they also wanted to discredit me in any way they could.
02:14:36.000Well, Joe, that's the point that has to be made, that even people who still pay the income tax, which I'm going to say on air, I do, Because I don't have time to fight this battle.
02:14:45.000I know it's a fraud, but even when I do pay it, every year they lost the return.
02:15:01.000And yeah, I don't encourage people to take on the IRS one-on-one.
02:15:06.000If anything, I discourage it, but I do encourage people to talk to their neighbors, their friends, their co-workers... But my point is, I'm not safe though, even though I pay it!
02:15:27.000Well, I want to know why every year they lose the return, and then they send me threatening letters saying, and I send them registered letters, get registered stamps back, and they still lose it again.
02:16:26.000The defendant can appeal if there's appealable grounds.
02:16:29.000The government can appeal only on very limited grounds, but in this case, a jury of Joe's peers, just average, law-abiding, hard-working citizens who heard the evidence and heard the arguments of the attorneys who argued for the government, And listen to Jeff Dickstein and I, particularly Jeff Dickstein, in a brilliant closing argument.
02:16:48.000You know, they saw through the con, and they quitted Joe on all counts, and that's not appealable.
02:16:57.000Well, if they would have won, this would mean that people aren't allowed to have the benefit of counsel.
02:17:02.000Well, that's what this is really all about, in our view.
02:17:05.000What they're trying to do here is criminalize advocacy.
02:17:09.000In fact, one of the recent commissioners of IRS was quoted in a national newspaper as saying that, I'm paraphrasing, tax practitioners should be the pillars of our system of voluntary compliance, not the architects of its diversion.
02:17:25.000And let me tell you something, I don't have a duty to the IRS.
02:17:29.000As a lawyer, as a counselor, my duty is to my client.
02:17:33.000Um, and I have no obligation whatsoever to... Well, stay there.
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02:22:16.000But we have the National Bar Association coming out and arguing against having juries.
02:22:20.000We have in federal cases where the feds will say, Judge Walter Smith in the second Waco case, the civil case, said, I'm not going to allow a jury.
02:22:28.000We have under the Patriot Act, they want to charge lawyers for giving people a defense.
02:23:13.000This system of collection of this individual income tax Is frankly a walking due process violation.
02:23:24.000It's anathema to basic American principles of ordered liberty.
02:23:29.000I mean, even Money Magazine admits it's designed to entrap you.
02:23:32.000It's designed so you can't comply, even though the things are fraud.
02:23:35.000And you had mentioned too, Alex, about going after attorneys under the Patriot Act.
02:23:40.000The Treasury Department, IRS, has ratcheted up staffing and the authority of their director of practice.
02:23:47.000And they have an agenda, and they're going to be going out there trying to attack tax professionals like tax counselors and CPAs, who frankly are aggressive in their advocacy for their clients, who understand that their first duty is to their clients, and that the IRS is not a court or a body that practitioners owe any duty to whatsoever.
02:24:09.000Yeah, they create these really fraudulent courts.
02:24:12.000Well, this is, you know, Assistant U.S.
02:24:14.000Attorney Robert Twist actually argued in his closing argument that somehow Joe Bannister had a duty to the IRS.
02:24:29.000So now, I mean, that sounds like indentured servitude to say a whole class of professionals, degreed CPAs and also law enforcement specialists like Joseph Bannister has to do this.
02:24:38.000This is particularly pernicious, Alex.
02:24:42.000Just imagine, you know we've got personal injury lawyers and we've got insurance defense lawyers.
02:24:46.000Personal injury lawyers defend people and file plaintiff suits for people that have been injured, generally against corporations and what we call insurance defense attorneys will come in and defend.
02:24:56.000And just imagine if the plaintiff's bar were able to regulate the defense bar in personal injury litigation.
02:25:04.000And charge them with unethical conduct.
02:25:06.000Yeah, hang that chilling effect over them with... Now, we're talking about the executive and the government, the prosecutors, having regulatory control over the defense.
02:25:16.000You've got this extremely powerful administrative agency that is adversarial to every single American.
02:25:24.000The IRS takes the position that everybody cheats on their taxes, they want more money from American citizens, and the IRS says, we can regulate The professionals that defend citizens against the IRS.
02:25:37.000So we're talking about Napoleonic or Roman law, guilty until proven innocent.
02:25:41.000Mr. Barnes, another counselor, I want to get a little bit into the trial here.
02:25:46.000I mean you guys won because it did go to a jury.
02:25:48.000How did you get it out of their kangaroo court into a real court?
02:25:51.000Well, fortunately, the one thing, you know, certain constitutional rights have not yet gone away, however much certain people in power or certain politicians may wish they were not there.
02:26:00.000And one of the true restraints left on the power of the United States government is the right to a jury trial in a matter of a criminal accusation.
02:26:07.000And so that was one thing they could not avoid or get around.
02:26:11.000They could get around Joe getting an opportunity to speak to the grand jury and things like that by not giving him an opportunity to do so, but what they could not do is avoid 12 ordinary Americans stepping into that bench and making a decision when they saw the evidence.
02:26:24.000And they were, of course, for those that don't know specifically, what did they falsely allege against Agent Bannister?
02:26:32.000One was a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States government in his various statements and representations that he had made, along with someone else, Mr. Al Thompson.
02:26:41.000And then the three returns that he had filed, they said were false and fraudulent returns.
02:26:46.000Even though Joe had disclosed the exact basis of it, exactly what he was arguing for, had used the exact procedures and protocols the IRS itself had recommended in such cases, and that their own people testified to as being appropriate, on the stand.
02:26:59.000But that was the allegation, that he had filed false and fraudulent returns, because the government's view basically is that if you file a return that the government doesn't agree with, that is now false and fraudulent, not protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution, or advocacy under the right to counsel.
02:27:12.000Alright, we've got a break again, but I want to come back and talk about this defense, and how you got around the judge trying to crush any of these arguments, bringing forward their own case law, their own statements, their own literature and guidelines to defeat them.
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02:31:06.000Simulcasted on Global Shortwave during the day at 9.985, 3rd hour 9.975 and at night 3210 and on the web at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com Now folks, we're talking to Joe Bannister and he went public back in 99 about the fraud that is the IRS.
02:31:23.000We're not saying there aren't taxes we should pay.
02:31:26.000But those are constitutional taxes, not the income tax.
02:31:29.000They're not advising you to not file it.
02:31:31.000It's just you need to know this fraud for what it is.
02:31:37.000But, and we've gone over this at nausea and most of you know this.
02:31:39.000We're not really even getting into that today.
02:31:41.000We're talking about then the criminality and the violations of due process and the Bill of Rights and common law and every canon of a free society from the Magna Carta back to the roots of that common law on Mount Sinai.
02:31:56.000And you see all the cases of this every day.
02:32:00.000And they wouldn't be trying to frustrate and outlaw a defense and outlaw advice by counselors and lawyers and CPAs if they didn't have something to hide and if they weren't worried.
02:32:12.000And if so many people formerly with their system weren't defecting as they learned the truth.
02:32:19.000People always say a fraud can't stand.
02:32:23.000People are defecting, so now they're trying to use an iron fist.
02:32:27.000They've taken the gloves off to enforce this.
02:32:29.000We're talking to Joe Bannister's lawyers, and we're talking to Robert Bernhoff and Robert Barnes, and we have Joe on with us as well.
02:32:38.000So let's get... So specifically, they're alleging that Joe Bannister is preparing bad tax returns, but I want to know, gentlemen, and Joseph Bannister, how were you able to even put on a defense?
02:32:54.000Because so many things I've looked at in other cases, looking at other cases, the judges will not allow evidence to be brought up and try to deceive the jury.
02:33:05.000I would imagine that they may have done that here and it backfired on them, or instead of speculating, please tell me, all of you, and just free-for-all, jump in, what really happened?
02:33:16.000Alex, I'll touch on that, and then I'm just going to pass it over to Joe and Bob Barnes.
02:33:26.000District Court, Eastern District, Sacramento, gave us a fair trial.
02:33:31.000And I think part of that was because he recognized that Jeff Dickstein, who bar none is the finest federal criminal tax defense attorney in the country, we knew the law.
02:33:42.000We conducted ourselves with professionalism and collegiality.
02:33:46.000We were extremely aggressive advocates, but I think there was some mutual respect that occurred there.
02:33:54.000Obviously, I disagreed with a couple of his evidentiary rulings, but he did not prevent Jeff Dickstein and I from working, what lawyers call working.
02:34:04.000We were able to object to what we needed to, to cross-examine the government's witnesses, He allowed us to argue on the Rule 29 motion for judgment of acquittal, and we got a fair trial.
02:34:17.000I was involved in the Vernie Cooglin acquittals that FedEx capped in Memphis, Tennessee in August 2003.
02:34:24.000I co-counseled that case with Larry Becraft, and Judge McCall down there in Memphis also gave us a fair trial.
02:34:30.000Now that is not to say that there are some of these political dissenting defendants who are not getting a fair trial.
02:34:38.000But we got one, and I'd like to turn it over to Joe and get his thoughts.
02:34:43.000Yeah, I mean, from my little chair there at the defense table, what I saw was the government parading my conduct in the form of a videotape that I had freely appeared on back in the year 2000.
02:34:58.000We had a meeting with the employees of Sal Thompson's, And they asked me, Joe, do you mind if we videotape this?
02:35:13.000Because, of course, from my perspective, I was simply telling these employees about my story, about what had happened to me, and how difficult it is when you see that the IRS doesn't appear to be following the rulebook.
02:35:25.000Well, I also had a great deal of paperwork that involved my advocacy for Al Thompson.
02:35:32.000And the government, that was basically their case, was to show the jury the evidence that they got from me through grand jury subpoenas and through their special agent investigators.
02:35:44.000And the jury, a couple of them who I spoke with after the trial, said they couldn't understand.
02:35:50.000Every time they looked at one of these exhibits and saw that it was a government exhibit, said, Why is it that the government is giving us all these exhibits that show Joe Bannister to be nothing but an upright, honest, and open advocate?
02:36:04.000And I told them after the trial that, well, as far as I can tell, it's because they didn't have anything else.
02:36:09.000And they somehow wanted to convince the jury that my advocacy, even my aggressive advocacy, was somehow criminal.
02:36:17.000And these 12 jurors, who had very thinking people, great Americans, They saw that that was bogus.
02:36:25.000They saw that just couldn't possibly be true.
02:36:41.000It wasn't even close, and I based that on a statement from one of the jurors, who I won't identify by name, but I just spoke with that juror again a couple days ago.
02:36:51.000And they told me that never was there a vote taken, you know, a preliminary vote in which any juror voted for guilt.
02:36:58.000Let me ask you a question to your counselors as well.
02:37:03.000Skipping ahead to the end, what happened?
02:37:05.000I mean, was there palpable anger by the prosecution or were they ashamed of themselves from the start and did they, you know, basically show good sportsmanship or what happened?
02:37:22.000As Joe mentioned in one of his email updates recently, when the indictment was first unsealed, and they actually arrested Joe at his home, which was completely unnecessary.
02:37:30.000Oh yeah, let's talk about that too, I'm sorry.
02:37:48.000Attorney from Sacramento, And Commissioner Everson, and all of these powerful public officials made statements declaring Joe Bannister guilty when the indictment was unsealed and he was arrested.
02:38:00.000And the courtroom was packed on the government side of the aisle every day of trial.
02:39:25.000And when you talk about sportsmanship, you know, I tried to go over to Mr. Twist and shake his hand and he just looked at me and turned and walked out of the courtroom.
02:39:33.000But I will say something, the two special agents that investigated Joe in this case, special agents Paul Howard and Sean Breslin, and Joe can pipe in on this as well, I'll just make a comment.
02:39:44.000You know, I went over to Sean Breslin, he shook my hand, I shook Paul Howard's hand, and Joe, why don't you give us some observations about particularly Sean Breslin.
02:39:52.000Well yeah, let me throw a caveat in on this, because This is going to send shockwaves.
02:39:57.000I mean, they're losing a lot of cases now, but it's got to send shockwaves when these agents are probably going to go research what Joe is saying now, and this could really, really clean things up.
02:40:09.000Well, what I was told, and this is just what I was told by an observer who had observed the whole trial, that they thought they saw some tears in Sean Breslin's eyes, because of course I worked with Sean and Paul And anyway, after the trial, I went over, they were there, and I went over and shook their hands.
02:40:26.000Mr. Twist, the prosecutor, was nowhere to be seen.
02:40:30.000But I shook their hands, and I said, stay safe out there, guys.
02:40:33.000Meaning, you know, there's still this law enforcement capacity, even if, perhaps in our opinion, they're not doing what they should be doing.
02:40:41.000I truly want them to be safe, and I want law enforcement people, like my family, to be safe, and not be these pawns that are used by power-hungry government officials who don't understand about rights and limitations on their authority.
02:40:57.000So I do want them to be safe, but I do want them to educate themselves as to what the limitations are.
02:41:06.000The income tax is a fraud and a scam, but you're going to have nasty criminals involved in some situations that are still dangerous, that are still then breaking other laws.
02:41:28.000But we need them to be respected by the public.
02:41:31.000And the best way to gain respect of the public is that the public knows that you're not operating under color of law, and that you respect their rights, and that you can still do your business within those parameters.
02:41:42.000Well, Joe, just in a nutshell, for those that don't understand this fraud, let's say you have 60 seconds on 2020.
02:41:53.000Well, the income tax laws, there have been numerous laws and regulations passed by Congress and the Secretary of the Treasury that do have the force of law.
02:42:04.000They do apply to people, and then there's other people that they don't apply to.
02:42:10.000And the IRS as an agency is largely staffed with people that have never read the Internal Revenue Code or the Code of Federal Regulations.
02:42:19.000Basically, is it that this was written up so select corporations could not pay taxes?
02:42:24.000Because I see a New York Times article today about all these richest people in the world not even paying taxes.
02:42:30.000Well, I think they're using other loopholes that maybe have been put into the law purposely by the Congress.
02:42:38.000But in terms of the application of the tax, as I understand it, when it came into being in the early 1900s, it was meant to tax things like interest, dividends, Gains on stock sales.
02:42:59.000And so over the years, just through the apathy of the public and their lack of understanding of these issues, the IRS has just kind of walked all over the Constitution in terms of, as Bob said, due process rights and things like that.
02:43:14.000Bottom line is they absolutely do have authority in certain areas But their own employees don't know what those limitations are.
02:43:21.000Well, what about when I see the reports where, you know, 20-something percent of the Senate doesn't pay income taxes?
02:43:29.000Well, there's certainly people, even people within the IRS, there's a large percentage of employees that have tax problems that don't You know, they file their returns, but they don't pay the money that they say they owe.
02:43:41.000You know, even these government officials seem to be thumbing their nose at the IRS and operating according to the IRS's expectation.
02:43:51.000Well, I'll tell you, this is a beautiful story, though, because it's the trials and tribulations of a person of conscience who researched what was happening, and these men that helped you, Mr. Bernhoff and Barnes and others, but Bernhoff, Barnes, gentlemen, just any other key points before we take a few calls that you want to make for the listeners?
02:44:09.000Well, the amazing thing is the media coverage, and you talked about how this case proceeded, and one of my grounds or theories about it is that when you're so used to lying and saying Blue is green and yellow is red.
02:44:19.000Sometimes you're shocked when you find twelve people who disagree with you.
02:44:21.000Until Jeff Dickstein's closing argument, I don't think they realized that their own lives were not true.
02:44:29.000Attorney Twiss had said, you know, nobody's disputing Joe's character, but he couldn't remember exactly which compliments different people had given of Joe's character.
02:44:40.000But his whole theme was, which side is the con on?
02:44:42.000And there's been some misrepresentations in the media as to what transpired.
02:44:46.000For example, David K. Johnston, who is not at the trial, has reported second-hand information that is false about what took place at the trial.
02:44:52.000So basically, he said, in your guts, you know this is a fraud.
02:44:57.000He said, look, this is about speech, this is about America, this is about...
02:45:00.000Petitioning your government, this is about, you know, who here is being honest and conscientious and straightforward and who's hiding things from you and trying to keep things... Well, that sounds like jury notification where we judge the facts and the law and, uh, you know, just, you know, it's like saying there's a law that black people are slaves, but I'm gonna load them on the Underground Railroad and save them.
02:45:19.000Or are you gonna put that person in jail?
02:45:21.000Well, the fortunate thing here is that, uh, you know, in speaking to the jurors, and Joe and Bob and I all spoke to the jurors, It was very clear to us that, you know, Jeff Dickstein's closing argument was simply to expose the reason for this prosecution.
02:45:35.000In fact, there was an email, the defense only introduced one exhibit, and it happened to be a document that the government had to give us by virtue of discovery rules when they called a former DOJ tax division attorney named Tom DiLeonardo to the stand.
02:45:55.000And he had sent an email to Ron Stamino, Western Section Chief DOJ Tax Enforcement, saying, look, Bannister's out there, he's got this report, if his motives are really noble and pure, let's sit down with this guy, let's tell him where he's wrong, and I think he'll listen.
02:46:10.000And so they introduced that there, and Theo Leonardo in his email said, you know, this is important because Bannister is one of the most well-known and public leaders of this illegal tax protest movement.
02:46:21.000This prosecution should have never happened.
02:46:25.000I do not know who was minding the policy ship over there in the Beltway in D.C.
02:46:30.000Well obviously somebody said get Bannister.
02:46:33.000You bet they did because they couldn't have a former Criminal Investigation Division Special Agent running around committing flagrant acts of First Amendment protected political speech.
02:47:38.000It was very clear that the jury actually weighed the evidence very, very carefully.
02:47:43.000They took seriously the jury instructions that Jeff Dixler and I had a lot to do with crafting, and they listened to the instructions on the law that the judge gave them on willfulness, on what it means to have intent to violate a criminal statute.
02:48:00.000You've got to have the intent to be a criminal, and he had the intent to expose fraud!
02:48:03.000That's right, and it was very clear to us that the jury actually Well, the people that should have been arrested are the people pushing things that don't exist, and official oppression, and racketeering, and fraud.
02:48:18.000I mean, I think the people that should have been arrested are those that are, you know, on the other side.
02:48:26.000Well, I think that's what Jeff Dickstein's closing argument was, was which side is the con on, and since they acquitted Joe Bannister, that only leaves one side guilty.
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02:51:51.000Waging war on corruption, crashing through the lines of disinformation.
02:51:55.000I'll tell you what's clear, I've got to get Joe Bannister back on, I've got to get his two counselors Mr. Bernhoft and Mr. Barnes back on for a couple hours, because 40-something minutes of talk time is just not enough, and I want to jam a few final calls in here, but Joe Banez, there's something we need to get out here.
02:52:15.000And then lastly, before we go to these calls, and get any final comments from your two counselors here, if you had it to do all over again, would you do it again?
02:52:25.000There's just no other way for me to live my life knowing that there's something that's wrong and not doing anything about it.
02:52:31.000In terms of website, freedomabovefortune.com.
02:52:36.000People can go to the IRS lockout update if they want to see actual documents from the case and from all the harassment that the IRS has sent my way.
02:53:07.000Alright, we'll get that up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, but you know what Joe just said, gentlemen, it sounds just like the Founding Fathers.
02:53:16.000I mean, evil men and tyrants flourish when good men and women do nothing.
02:53:21.000I've known Joe since about 1999 and I'm not in the habit of lavishing praise on people.
02:53:38.000Yeah, I mean, you get the feeling, folks, and I'm good at reading people, you know, in this business, what I do, and what he does in law enforcement.
02:54:27.000A criminal indictment facing, according to the New York Times, although it's probably not completely accurate given it's from the Times, Fourteen years in federal prison.
02:54:36.000Alright, let's take two final quick calls here in the next minute and a half.
02:54:40.000David in Phoenix, Arizona, and then Delilo.