In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, Alex Jones takes a look at the latest 9/11 conspiracy theories and reveals the truth behind them. Alex Jones is joined by Professor David Ray Griffin and Robert Sia to discuss the London bombings and the Bush administration.
00:00:25.000It is Wednesday, the 20th day of July 2005.
00:00:32.000We're going to be live here for the next three hours, coming up in the third hour, Professor David Ray Griffin will be joining us to talk about some of the new 9-11 developments and revelations, as well as his cursory take on the London bombings of a week and a half ago, or almost, it'll be two weeks coming up tomorrow,
00:00:59.000And at the same time, in the second hour, we have no lights, no sirens, Robert Sia, the corruption and redemption of an inner-city cop.
00:01:09.000And it says he makes no apologies for lying on the stand and being corrupt.
00:01:15.000That's what it takes to keep us all safe.
00:01:19.000And so, yes, we're going to be talking to Robert Sia coming up in the second hour, and this should be extremely interesting.
00:01:33.000In the meantime, there is masses of vital news.
00:01:36.000Gallup Poll finds Lord Bush's approval rating at a new low.
00:01:40.000So like a heroin addict, he got a little bit of a push off of the London tragedy.
00:01:53.000Two religious soldiers believe behind Jaleem fake bomb, Haratz is reporting, ah, the Israeli government in more fear-mongering, more bombings and fake bombings.
00:02:14.000Just like they're evil when they report, like the Jerusalem Post, that Israel actually carries out bombings.
00:02:19.000We're just supposed to ignore all that, even though it's admitted, and just trust Israel.
00:02:24.000Just like our own government's been caught doing it, and England's been caught doing it, Russia's been caught doing it, Bush is confident in his new Supreme Court nominee.
00:02:34.000He was anti-abortion, at least on paper, back in the 1980s, but he has ruled on the bench and made public statements that he's going to leave Roe v. Wade like it is.
00:02:45.000And so a lot of conservative groups are decrying him, and so are liberals, of which everybody should be decrying him.
00:02:53.000Mr. Roberts, Lord Bush's new nominee for the Supreme Court, John G. Roberts, after they pulled the The trial balloon they put up for Alberto, Bush is above the law, I love abortion, I love gun control, torture is good, Gonzales.
00:03:10.000They brought forward this Alberto Gonzales clone.
00:03:13.000Now this guy's a big Bush insider, worked in the first Bush administration.
00:03:18.000He has one of the most pro-government, whether the government's the plaintiff, Or whether it's the government that is in trouble.
00:03:27.000He has the most pro-government record that we can find.
00:03:30.000I mean, some are saying the most pro-government record.
00:03:33.000I mean, he doesn't even really look at the evidence.
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00:10:39.000On most issues, while telling the truth on some other issues.
00:10:42.000But I mean, rat poison is 98% good grain.
00:10:47.000Well, with Limbaugh and those guys, it's 80% truth and 20% lies.
00:10:53.000I mean, you get the same thing from the Democrats.
00:10:55.000They'll tell the truth on a lot of issues, but then lie on other key issues.
00:10:59.000It's time to stop going off of what they say, and it's time to start focusing on what they do.
00:11:06.000And so for all the news stations that are joining us and picking up the broadcast, let me just tell it like it is.
00:11:14.000Up until 105 years ago, roughly, Left and right was not taught in any university, in any high school, in any area of academia.
00:11:29.000Left and right was simply an unknown political term, other than female being associated with the left.
00:11:41.000Or, the sinister side, the female side, you know, the Bible, the fallen side, ate the apple, that was seen as left, or sinister, or rebellious, and the right was seen as patriarchal, that is male.
00:11:59.000So, right is male, or patriarchal, And left is female or matriarchal.
00:12:06.000That is the only left-right paradigm that there was in history.
00:12:23.000And on one side of the circle, the furthest point away from the other side of the circle, Stickin' on whatever wing you want, you have command and control.
00:12:58.000Mercantilism administered through an oligarchy or administered through a royal hereditary dynasty.
00:13:08.000And then you had, starting about 450 years ago, the Renaissance.
00:13:13.000Where elites lost control of their old centralized systems.
00:13:18.000The Black Plague, really 500 years ago, knocked out a lot of organized government that had become predatory and centralized and never allowed any new ideas to come forward or any new businesses to develop or any new ideas to flourish.
00:13:37.000But the Black Plague that killed upwards of 40 percent, depending on the nation, of European countries' populations and city-state populations as it spread through Italy and Greece and then into Western Europe and of course ending in England.
00:14:19.000And it says, you know, the first beer licensed by Her Majesty, you know, 300 years ago.
00:14:25.000And so you could, quote, be free market if the government authorized you.
00:14:30.000And the big corporations and companies and chartered institutions love that because they could then sic the government on any of their competition.
00:14:38.000So it was kind of government teaming up with the corporate interest.
00:14:41.000It was just the lords who owned the companies teaming up with the queen.
00:14:45.000It was just a new way to try to bridle and get control over the free market.
00:14:55.000We didn't get the term fascism until about 150 years ago, and that really developed in Italy, and then Mussolini picked it up 75 years ago and said, well it shouldn't be called fascism or the fascista, it should be called corporatism or mercantilism, and he was correct.
00:15:14.000And of course the fascii is a bundle of sticks, or nations, or peoples, bundled together by the centralized power, with axe heads on top of it, symbolizing the militarized power of the state.
00:15:30.000And by the way, after World War II, for some reason, they put the eagle and the scepter with a spike, the trojan, and they put the bundled sticks and axe handles, the fascista, in the Senate.
00:15:42.000And so now fascist Nazi symbols adorn the Capitale.
00:15:48.000Again, the Capitale itself is a symbol of Roman power, so fascism again is a more modern interpretation of imperialism.
00:15:57.000So on one end of the political spectrum we have command and control.
00:17:44.000You always get gangs and thugs and strong men.
00:17:48.000That always develops strong men with their political gravitational pull, always centralized control, and then always bring you back to the other end of the spectrum.
00:17:59.000Anarchy doesn't exist for more than five minutes, literally.
00:18:03.000So, the Republic, as the Founding Fathers taught it, and as the Greek philosophers taught it, is in the center of the real political spectrum.
00:18:15.000It is at the midway point between total command and control and total anarchy.
00:18:19.000And it is a codified laws to limit the elite and to guard everyone's freedoms, and so 51% can't vote away the rights of the other 49%, something that did happen in pure democracies in Athens.
00:18:37.000Of course, being one of the only actual Greek provinces that really ever did have a democracy.
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00:24:00.000Basically, the Republicans and Democrats are owned by the same financial interests that are organized crime syndicates who are totally ruthless.
00:24:15.000And they know how to put on a big hubbub and give their distraction a lot of attention.
00:24:20.000And, you know, all the fanfare, like this fight between the Republicans and Democrats is really a real one, and so we all pay attention and think, man, that's the whole discussion.
00:24:29.000Meanwhile, the real world's going on all around us, and we're losing our basic freedoms.
00:24:36.000Alright, this is what's coming up, and of course your calls are coming up as well, 1-800-259-9231.
00:24:43.000We do have Robert Sia, this former New York detective, who doesn't apologize, he says, about, you know, lying on the stand and stuff to get people convicted.
00:24:55.000Gallup finds Bush approval rating at new low, be afraid, be very afraid.
00:25:00.000He got a little bit of a boost out of the tragic London bombings, but now it's already fallen again.
00:25:06.000And two religious soldiers believe behind Jaleem fake bombing.
00:25:11.000So another report out of Haraz with the Israelis with fake bombings and real bombings to scare the public into submission.
00:25:20.000This new Supreme Court nominee, conservatives don't like him because he claims he's anti-abortion but that he's ruled neutral on abortion in the past.
00:25:29.000And the left doesn't like him, and rightfully so, no one should like him.
00:25:33.000Because he has one of the worst records for voting with the government.
00:28:26.000A probe into a domestic surveillance unit within the California National Guard Ballooned Tuesday into a full-blown investigation into widespread allegations of spying on U.S.
00:28:37.000citizens, misuse of state money, and retaliation against Guard troops who brought the allegations to light.
00:28:48.000And they take some gung-ho guy who's already killed people in Latin America and the Middle East, and they take him and tell him, now you're gonna train to take out Patriots and confiscate guns, And they, most of them say no.
00:29:00.000They get the psychopaths that just like power, and like having that expense account credit card, driving around in brand new, you know, Trans Ams, living in $3,000 a month apartments.
00:29:11.000And then you gotta deal a little drugs on the side too, because you do some anti-narcotic stuff, and you gotta deal the drugs to be trusted, and you know, you don't mind having five stripper girlfriends, and getting to knock people's teeth out, and pretty soon you're just a full-blown gangster, aren't you punk?
00:29:27.000Senator Joseph Dunn said after a capital hearing he will order top National Guard officers to testify under oath.
00:29:33.000And if they don't do so, they're going to get arrested.
00:29:37.000We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen, and talk about the criminals that are all around us in plain clothes who are hardcore killers with badges.
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00:33:25.000Army, National Guard, plainclothes troops, but sometimes, I mean, in uniforms with the black berets, they'll be out in small towns, big cities, with video cameras videotaping you at Second Amendment demonstrations, land rights demonstrations, environmental group demonstrations.
00:33:44.000I've been out protesting mainstream groups, you know, environmental groups, and there are the troops up on top, you know, Austin buildings.
00:33:54.000And in my new film, Marshall Law, 9-11 Rides the Police State, we have a whole section of the film showing mainstream news articles, video we shot, and then photos and video all over the country and news articles about this!
00:34:09.000I mean, this is publicly admitted, but listen to this article.
00:34:13.000Senator Joseph Dunn said after a Capitol hearing that he will order top National Guard officers to testify under oath, and after they refused to do so, Voluntarily, he might seek contempt of legislature charges against those officers because he said the State Military Department has stonewalled his efforts to get documents about a secret unit called the Information Synchronization Knowledge Management and Intelligence Fusion Unit.
00:34:39.000That unit conducted and collected information on a Mother's Day anti-war protest in front of the State Capitol.
00:34:46.000Dunn described the unit as a tip of the iceberg of domestic spying units within the California National Guard.
00:34:54.000California Military Department documents refer to internal agencies such as the Domestic Watch Center, the Combined Intel Fusion Group, we have that right here in Austin, and a Joint Operations Center, among others.
00:35:06.000But then, don't worry, this is the lawyer for the Guard.
00:35:09.000We have received a volume of information about domestic surveillance units around California within the Guard, Dunn said.
00:35:15.000In letters to senators and state military officials, rejected the allegations, oh sure, And complain his subpoenas are overtly broad, overly broad, and that they may of the sought documents are classified.
00:35:35.000The California Military Department does not have a domestic intelligence program, wrote George O'Connell, a private attorney hired by the Guard.
00:36:25.000On July 28th, Brigadier General John Alexander, Acting Adjunct General, wrote, We were not in any way engaged in surveillance activities during the May 2000 Mother Day demonstrations of any group.
00:36:36.000Adding, That they simply went there with their video cameras to monitor the media coverage.
00:37:00.000But during Questioning Tuesday by Dunn and Senator Tom McClintock, Joseph Riga, hello, said after long pauses he did not know if the guard kept files of individual Californians.
00:37:12.000So, now it's not denying, they're just saying we don't know.
00:37:56.000My cousin, okay, is involved at high levels here in Austin Merging the regular army, the National Guard, and the APD covertly at the Berkstrom Base.
00:38:12.000It's still, part of it is still a military base.
00:38:14.000And they're out there, and they're involved in everything.
00:38:19.000And they test these military men, and if they're good guys, they'll just be busy, you know, in logistics.
00:38:26.000Or, you know, working on the helicopters.
00:38:29.000But the scumbags who've shown they'll violate the law, you know, going back over 20 years.
00:38:33.000This has been going on for 20 years that we've confirmed.
00:39:20.000The Federal Bureau of Investigation, FBI, has amassed at least 3,500 pages ...of internal documents from political protest groups and what the targets say amounts to political surveillance of some of President Bush's leading critics.
00:39:40.000And it says that they have documents obtained by the Civil Liberties Union, the rights watchdog and prominent administration critic, and of course they're even being watched.
00:39:51.000The figures have emerged as part of a lawsuit of the Freedom of Information Act brought by the ACLU and other groups alleging the FBI is engaging in politically motivated spying against law-abiding organizations.
00:40:03.000We know the government is keeping documents about the ACLU and other peaceful groups, said Attorney Romero, Anthony Romero, their Executive Director.
00:40:11.000And it goes into the military and everybody else, uh, surveilling, um, you know, just so many groups.
00:40:23.000And then there was a federal order when the ACLU sued them a year ago.
00:40:31.000They used the Patriot Act to put a gag order on them saying that since it was part of a terrorism investigation that the ACLU wasn't allowed to talk about their suit.
00:40:47.000The Justice Department has said it will take up to a year to review the material the ACLU seeks.
00:40:52.000The ACLU is seeking FBI surveillance files on itself, Greenpeace and others, and it goes on again to talk about that.
00:41:03.000But I want you to understand that you want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes?
00:41:09.000This is admitted in over 15 mainstream news articles that we've seen the last two months.
00:41:18.000Out of South Texas and out of Arizona and Southern California.
00:41:24.000Los Yetis are quote, former Mexican Special Forces trained by the CIA at the School of America's Encounter Drugs.
00:41:32.000And now in mass, these quote, commandos, who we now have documented with the regular Mexican Army, are being protected.
00:41:39.000Are all over Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California, as far north as Dallas and areas of Oklahoma, blowing up cars, car bombings that you only see in local papers.
00:41:50.000Imagine if there was a car bombing with a Muslim involved.
00:42:22.000They are protected, and we've had former top DEA agents on to talk about it.
00:42:26.000They are Los Setas hit teams, also recruiting police and former U.S.
00:42:31.000military under CIA control at huge training camps in South Texas, and there is a reign of terror.
00:42:38.000Bush and his boys are very upset, the banks are very upset, that there are a lot of new cartels that have driven down the price of cocaine and heroin.
00:42:47.000And so there is a reign of terror as they go after the cartels that aren't paying their cut.
00:42:52.000And I mean, even down to street-level dealers.
00:42:55.000It is just special forces cribs with CIA controllers just mass-swattering everywhere.
00:43:00.000And they'll kill Border Patrol, they'll kill FBI, they're killing federal informants, they're killing sheriff's deputies, and the FBI won't investigate.
00:43:08.000They just say, drop it, back off, hands off these people.
00:45:26.000Border Patrol, he said, you're going to get in trouble for this.
00:45:29.000And they said, okay, that's it, and even roughed the guy up, because he shot his mouth off.
00:45:34.000And, uh, they were real proud of themselves and sent the cocaine out, and the FBI and DEA showed up, grabbed the cocaine, said, that's it, don't discuss it, hold the media, no more press conferences, and released the driver, and the cocaine disappeared.
00:45:46.000Now, that's because that 18-wheeler, folks, was marked.
00:45:49.000I've even talked to the troops who've got the surveillance blimps, who see in the satellites, who see the drug shipments, and there's an officer behind them going, don't touch that one, interdict that one.
00:46:28.000But the point is, is you got the nerve to take that kid in, and now they're going to be put into the system, and then they're going to pay thousands of dollars they don't have, and money on it, 9 chances out of 10, 90 plus percent of people in the last 20 years have used marijuana.
00:46:45.000You're sending them to jail for something you did.
00:46:47.000You remember riding around in your car with marijuana.
00:46:50.000You're going to send that kid to jail when you know your bosses are controlling the narcotics trade in your town.
00:46:56.000You know, why do you think the police chief lives in a million-dollar house?
00:47:00.000In the past, corrupt police chiefs and people did it.
00:47:05.000They were real good about covering up the money they had.
00:47:08.000You know, they'd just take extravagant trips and, you know, do stuff like that and, you know, they'd give money to their brother who'd own all the stuff.
00:48:00.000Now, 62% of the people polled said George Bush isn't to be trusted.
00:48:05.000But the problem is, the global issues presidents like Birdcage Liner, he takes all the heat as a puppet, and then another agenda comes in and it takes us five years to wake up to the Democrats bad.
00:49:03.000And you ask how they do that, the suppliers use that to tool their factory or build out, and then they just pass it on to the little guys, and Walmart goes into a city and they say, If you want us, we're either going to build in your city, and you're going to give us 10 years of tax exemption, or we're going to build on the county line, the city does that, but then the little shops, they have to pay taxes.
00:49:26.000Walmart would be operating at a loss, we've had experts on covering this, top antitrust lawyers, they're suing them, they'd be operating at a loss if it wasn't for their predatory practices.
00:49:39.000There's one individual that owns seven different bakeries.
00:49:43.000Finally, the Pennsylvania PUC came in and said, you must give a couple of them up.
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00:57:19.000And, um, you were talking earlier about, like, Limbaugh and Hannity and those other people, you know, and that one will tell you the truth, you know, 80% of the truth, and then 20% lies and vice versa.
00:57:32.000And the one thing you mentioned Aristotle, too, and Plato, and I was wondering, are you familiar with fascism?
00:57:55.000Well, I think that would be, we've got to kill 80% of the planet because they're hurting the planet, and we'll also get to rule over them in the process.
00:58:09.000I would just call that rationalization.
00:58:11.000Well, I think that, you know, their effectiveness, you know, Hannity and Franken, let's say, You know, their effect is that they're so polarized, and I think that if you could group them and profile them together in one thing, like a big wanted poster with, you know, a picture of Limbaugh, or a Limbaugh picture of Franken... Well, they're bad because they keep good conservatives in the dark.
00:58:31.000They keep conservatives unaware of the un-American agenda of the Republicans.
00:59:37.000This is important to our entire society.
00:59:40.000The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
00:59:42.000Then we've got Professor David Ray Griffin with some updates on 9-11 and his take on the London bombings that he says he's suspicious of.
00:59:49.000In the third hour, and wide open phones throughout this show, I'm also going to go back into some of the stuff we haven't covered yet with this new Supreme Court pick that is very, very bad.
01:00:38.000I was just wondering, I know that you guys have talked a lot in the past about FEMA using exercises as a cover for the day when these various terrorist attacks occur.
01:00:48.000And I was just wondering if you've seen on the U.S.
01:00:50.000Northern Command's website on June 29th, they posted a press release.
01:00:56.000That's going to take place at Charleston, South Carolina, and I was just wondering if you had any commentary on that or research into that.
01:01:05.000Well, I mean, there's been thousands of drills, hundreds conducted by our new military dictatorship, that's what it is, NORTHCOM, North American Command, but You know, I'm not saying they're going to nuke us on that date, but I mean, all of this is... The government keeps saying, we're going to be nuked, give up all your rights.
01:01:22.000I'm saying if a nuke does go off, the military-industrial complex is the number one suspect.
01:01:28.000But they're telling us, no, it's going to be Al-Qaeda.
01:01:31.000And the way they're hyping it is pretty scary.
01:01:33.000But regardless of whether there's an attack or not, which I pray there isn't, by exposing who's behind these attacks, we may back them off.
01:01:39.000But regardless, it still has the psychological trauma effect of scaring the public.
01:01:45.000That's right, and actually the very first line of the press release, you know, it's all about trauma.
01:01:49.000It says, here's the scenario, a seafaring vessel transporting a 10 kiloton nuclear warhead makes its way into a port off the coast of Charleston, South Carolina.
01:01:58.000Terrorists aboard the ship attempt to smuggle the warhead off the ship to detonate it.
01:02:02.000So, you know, it is, it's all about traumatizing us.
01:02:06.000Well, they got systems that'll see through hundreds of feet of solid rock.
01:02:11.000And anything highly radioactive stands out like a big red blob.
01:02:15.000And so, you know, that is a patented fraud.
01:02:19.000They have the ground penetrating radar that is so powerful, the declassified stuff can see several hundred feet.
01:02:33.000I mean, it's just the technology is so advanced.
01:02:36.000And by the way, I don't want to hear that, you know, suitcase nukes sold by the Russians for $2 or whatever, you know, during the early 1990s are still good.
01:02:45.000Suitcase nukes only have about a 10-year life.
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01:07:16.000Well, the California legislature is preparing to lock up generals.
01:07:22.000Senators and members of their house are threatening to arrest the military because they've got troops out photographing and surveilling the public at peaceful anti-war and environmental protest.
01:07:35.000Now that ought to scare everybody and I've been talking about this for years because I've had family involved in it and I also interviewed a lot of military people who got out of it.
01:07:43.000It's been going on for 20 years, but it's getting bad, folks, and I wish they'd put the troops on the border where it's constitutional, instead of I go out to cover some anti-war protests and there's troops up on top, skyrises, taking photos of us!
01:07:58.000So that's posted on InfoWars.com right now, and another headline here, FBI keeping lengthy files on groups opposed to Bush's policies.
01:08:08.000Clinton started this, and Republicans are pulling their hair out, but now it's okay because it's the liberals.
01:08:17.000I'm against having the military involved in our daily lives, period.
01:08:20.000So we'll get more into that a little bit later.
01:08:22.000I know we have loaded phones, and we're going to get into my take and your take on this Supreme Court nominee, Roberts, who almost always votes with the government and did overrule other federal judges concerning secret arrests and these kangaroo tribunals.
01:08:40.000Looks like a Gonzales clone on that front, though he's not pro-abortion, so that makes him better That Alberto, I love Torture Gonzales, and also some new developments on the London bombing.
01:08:53.000We got Professor David Ray Grevin coming on in the next hour.
01:08:55.000You know, there's no way to really even...
01:09:00.000Describe all the news and information I've got on our guest here.
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01:09:16.000I've had other New York detectives on who are pretty famous talking about, you know, Forget framing people because they're bad.
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01:11:20.000I'm going to shut up and get serious here.
01:11:23.000In a nutshell, sir, tell us about your career and the things you did, you know, the dirtiest of it, and then tell us why you got out of it and why you wrote this book.
01:11:30.000Well, the reason I wrote the book was sort of to purge myself, you know?
01:11:35.000I don't believe in therapy, and I wrote the book basically to purge myself of the sins that I had committed.
01:11:41.000And the sins that I had committed were not sins against civilians or the good people of the community.
01:11:47.000The sins I committed were against The bad guys, guys carrying pistols, guys wanted for homicides, guys wanted for multiple rapes.
01:13:48.000He said, you don't have reasonable suspicion to stop it.
01:13:50.000You've got to develop reasonable suspicion to stop him.
01:13:53.000So basically they can walk by if I don't see the bulge in their pocket or if I don't see... And so you learned to claim that he crossed the yellow line?
01:14:11.000Um, and boom, I went to court, I told them exactly the way it wasn't.
01:14:15.000I saw it in plain view, I chased the guy, locked him up, boom.
01:14:18.000He gets to court, he pleads out two to four years.
01:14:21.000Well let me, before we get into the other stuff, you know, this is how you start it down this path that you cover, and no lights, no sirens, we're talking to former NYPD Detective Robert Sia.
01:14:31.000Robert, before we get into all that, You know, this is how they corrupt young people.
01:14:37.000This is how this, you know, goes downhill until you've got the FBI running murder for hire, you know, in Boston, which is confirmed, you know, until you get Thule, Texas, where the 58 black people, none of them have drugs, and they all get 20 to 90 years in prison.
01:14:52.000You know, this is the road that, you know, the founding fathers put the system in place so criminals would go free, you know, So our liberties would survive.
01:15:05.000I'm less worried about some thug with a gun than I'm worried about a corrupt centralized government not having restraints on it.
01:15:13.000And I guess, I mean, do you have the view that I'm wrong, or what view do you have?
01:17:53.000If you get 7 million people in a city, and half of those people are carrying guns and legit, and get robbed, a quarter of the people that get robbed are going to get killed.
01:18:06.000I think any perp should be, you know, the tard in court.
01:18:09.000You know, but you're talking... No, I think about... No, no, I think if somebody runs up and tries to rob an off-duty cop, and it names a gun, the cop, the off-duty cop should pull a gun and kill him.
01:18:20.000Because they're not safe until they do, and I think a citizen should do that too.
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01:23:05.000I'd sworn that it would never get to me, he writes, that I'd never turn into the monsters I was chasing.
01:25:26.000The crimes that I committed, um, again- Oh, it's a crime to not take- It's a crime to not- It's a crime to, because I should have locked him up.
01:25:34.000It's like the Supreme Court said that black people weren't human beings.
01:25:37.000I say that law's a fraud, and I wouldn't have followed... Look, this is the crux right here, okay?
01:25:43.000And I understand what you're saying and how this happens, but if I was a cop and I pull over some old guy who's not doing anything wrong, I'm not going to take him to jail for having that gun.
01:25:52.000And as you're saying, this is now the journey to evil, is not taking the old man to jail?
01:26:22.000Now, what about the stories we get from, you know, CERT become more famous, but I've had other famous New York detectives on over the years who, you know, as soon as they become a detective, they go, here's your gold jewelry we just took off the guy, you know, beating people up, drug dealing.
01:26:34.000Well, they have murks, and if I had seen them, I'd lock them up.
01:26:38.000So, so, so if cops approached you, want you to be part of something corrupt, you'd have gone after them?
01:27:13.000And that's not what I went on the job for.
01:27:16.000You say you've got this incredible snout for criminals, and if you've got that snout, I mean, you've got to know there's a lot of corrupt cops, especially in the higher echelons.
01:27:27.000Or, I mean, New York City, give me a break.
01:27:30.000Well, back in the day, that was the truth.
01:27:32.000When I was on the job, it was the truth.
01:27:33.000There was a lot of guys that were committing organized corruption.
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01:31:50.000You know, I'm going to be honest with our guest, former New York detective Robert Sia, with one of the biggest former New York detective Robert Sia, with one of the biggest hot dog records out there, you know, really slamming the criminals into the system and, you know, putting them behind That all sounds great,
01:32:19.000But back when this country was a stickler for detail, we had a much lower crime rate.
01:32:24.000Obviously, we culturally hadn't degenerated to the level of demonic monkeys yet.
01:32:30.000You know, the advent of TV and violence on television in the 1950s, the graph of violent crime just explodes from that point because, you know, we are creatures of what we see.
01:32:52.000But you've also got these go-getter police out there that will do whatever it takes to get the bad guys.
01:33:01.000But then I have questions about, you know, who are the bad guys?
01:33:03.000You know, I have... I say decriminalize drugs, because just like with prohibition, it caused crime to explode.
01:33:10.000It energized organized crime and corrupted the police.
01:33:14.000I say, the war on drugs is better than ever.
01:33:16.000We got more drugs than ever, more people in prison than ever.
01:33:20.000Of course, the people that are involved in illegal drugs are usually pretty bad people, but they'd be involved in some other racket.
01:33:26.000They're bad because they're bad people.
01:33:28.000And now we've given them a huge business, Uh, to make a lot of money out of, and an excuse for this police to be snooping around in our lives.
01:33:37.000Uh, you know, bottom line, that's my view on this, and I think these go-getter, gung-ho, military, police, you name it, in many cases are more dangerous, uh, than just some, uh, schlub, uh, you know, who's just out there trying to get his paycheck writing parking tickets.
01:33:54.000And, you know, that's where I stand, uh, Robert Sia.
01:34:44.000You've got to do a cost-benefit analysis.
01:34:47.000Listen, all due respect, I think you're completely wrong.
01:34:50.000So we have triple the heroin, double the cocaine we did 10 years ago, 7 million people in the system, and it's corrupted our police, and it's broken really well.
01:35:55.000Well, I know the National Crime Stat... You know, it's kind of like... I know, that's... I'm... Don't... I was going to tell you... Don't... Listen... Just answer the question.
01:36:02.000Do you have more than 400,000 comments on all of them?
01:36:04.000Well, you're posing a falsely framed question, so I'm not going to answer it.
01:36:28.000The answer is, New York is in the top 10 cities, uh, you know, period, not per population, period, per capita, for the highest crime rate.
01:36:38.000Certainly it may have gone down some, because most of the people, you know, are dead who were on the crack epidemic of the 80s, but still we have a high crime level.
01:37:09.000But I'm still saying, I mean, just look, it's like if somebody's on Mount Everest, the tallest peak in the world, and then New York is on the next peak, you know, and it's a thousand feet lower, I mean, you're still on top of a mountain, brother.
01:37:21.000Bro, the United States is a dangerous place.
01:37:25.000Show me one place that doesn't have a high crime rate.
01:37:30.000Well, all these big cities trying to bring in gun control and the criminals gravitate towards that because it's a feeding ground of gullible immigrants and other castrated populations that don't have a history of defending themselves.
01:38:30.000So when you're in a dark alley, let me make it out.
01:38:32.000When you're in a dark alley one night, and you see this guy walking towards you with his hand in his pocket, and he's going to walk towards you, do you think your government is going to back you up, or a guy like me is going to come down there and disarm that alley?
01:38:46.000I had to drive into Dallas to buy beer, because the beer joints would sell you beer, even if you were underage.
01:38:51.000And somebody walked up and pulled a gun on me, and I took the gun out of his hand, and I knocked his teeth out, and I rammed his head up against the wall, and the police came and took him to jail.
01:38:59.000What if there were three guys with guns?
01:39:47.000What I'm trying to tell you is I know so many New Yorkers who are friends of mine who cower in fear because they were brought up hating guns.
01:41:47.000No lights, no sirens, the corruption and redemption of an inner-city cop.
01:41:51.000Just quickly, because I want to take some calls, what are some other things you did in this journey, which you're not sad for putting them in jail, but you're saying it hurt you.
01:41:59.000I mean, if you had it over to do again, Detective Sia, would you do it again?
01:42:11.000I'm sorry that my wife, who was three months pregnant with my baby, she, you know, I was looking at 30 years in jail because I was accused of killing my confidential informant, which I did not do.
01:42:21.000I became catatonic and my poor wife, who did not get more than five words out of me in six months, aborted my baby because she felt the only reason I was with her was for the baby.
01:42:50.000And I've talked to so many people like you who make excuses for this type of stuff, and I'm telling you, you're not looking at the system itself having problems.
01:42:58.000I mean, would you enforce any law that was out there when it was the law that blacks were slaves?
01:43:32.000You did the same thing, and that would be breaking the law.
01:43:34.000But I say, leaning on the side... Actually, you judge the facts as well as the case as a juror.
01:43:40.000Juries really have the power to say, well, you know what, this guy did break the law, but we're letting him go because, you know, in this case he... So, you know, I don't think that so much is bad.
01:43:48.000What I do think doing is the lying on the stand to get somebody's dangerous, because then cops get so used to it, I've seen police lie on stand, because I've gone and covered these things, just because they think the person's bad.
01:44:02.000And they don't have any evidence of what they're saying.
01:44:05.000And they're doing it to enforce some law that I think is unconstitutional.
01:44:09.000How do you know they're lying on the stand?
01:44:43.000Will, you're on the air with an interesting character.
01:44:48.000Yes, well thank you for taking my call, Alex.
01:44:50.000I have a question for the guest specifically in regard to a thought that has come through my mind all through the years and perhaps Robert would answer it.
01:45:00.000There's a certain babysitter mentality and that's the key word that I use in my mind that gets people on the job Uh, to be an officer, or to feel like they have something, uh, some particular duty or some desire to... It's Billy Bad Butt Disease!
01:45:16.000Well, I call it the babysitter mentality, so maybe Robert would address that, and I appreciate that.
01:45:21.000Well, last night I was talking to a cop, I walked into a restaurant to eat something after my TV show, and this...
01:45:27.000I've been a senior cop a number of years and he goes, Alex, the problem is we treat the public like the bad 5% and after you deal with the bad 5% you either become the bad 5% or you treat everybody like the bad 5% and you know that's you know that's it.
01:45:42.000I'm tired of being treated like the bad 5% and all I do is speed and I don't even really do that anymore so I want to be left alone okay and statistically cops are more dirty than the general public so if they don't have any business you know Is that your phone there, Will, beeping?
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01:53:50.000So, you know, it's a societal de-evolution.
01:53:53.000I want to try to jam a call or two in here at the end, but folks, you can find the book, obviously, at most of your bookstores, and we've got a link to it on InfoWars.com.
01:54:01.000It might be an interesting read for you.
01:55:53.000When I was on the job, and I was like you, I was a Republican, once you get rid of a certain mindset, you'll understand what Alex is bringing to the people, and it's extremely important.
01:56:06.000Number two, about gun permits, you and I both know the average Joe can't get one.
01:56:11.000You either have to know somebody, be the rabbi.
01:56:14.000Let's face it, the average person can't get a carry permit in the city.
01:56:18.000No, but they can get a premise permit.
01:56:57.000And the last thing I wanted to say is that you and I both know if during our careers we were followed by anybody, the things we did, we'd all be in jail.
01:59:12.000Well, Robert, Robert, I also agree with you and you're talking about your testimony in front of the grand jury and such and you're coming clean and you're trying to explain to everybody the way it actually is on the street.
01:59:28.000And I think that hasn't been totally uh... represented but i think i get it but here's the problem let me just say something you gotta understand i did not work in a pretty middle-class area i worked in the ghetto where everyone carried guns all i wanted to do and all i had to do with lock up these guys who were carrying pistols now if the law is built for these guys carrying guns then the people the good people like us the three of us right now are unsafe
01:59:56.000I took the streets back for the people, for the kids who never had summer vacations because they weren't allowed out of there.
02:00:02.000I understand, under the fraudulent system, you did, you know, something that at a certain level helped, but that's what I'm saying, the system itself is wrong.
02:00:12.000And I agree, it's broke, the system is broke.
02:00:34.000And that's exactly what your book is about.
02:00:36.000But what I'm telling you is, I see people having their land taken, or people being framed by corrupt groups of internal police that work for these corporations, and then I watch them lie on the stand.
02:00:48.000See, it starts out, you know, we're going to twist it so this rapist goes down.
02:00:52.000I mean, if I was a cop, I might do that.
02:02:10.000and they do get people who are legitimate locked up for long periods of time for whatever.
02:02:15.000Look, I've had corrupt cops tell me, you know, back when I was in high school and I was shooting my mouth off about the sheriff dealing drugs, which he went to prison for in Rockwall, Texas.
02:02:25.000And I had a cop, the sheriff deputy say, look, we're going to frame you, punk.
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02:06:07.000He's also more dangerous than just outright criminal cops because the globalists count on all these well-meaning people that'll twist and massage and warp things and it is used against good people.
02:06:19.000And evil people above these well-meaning cops that are gung-ho are manipulating them.
02:06:26.000And he tried to argue with me about gun control areas having higher crime rates.
02:06:29.000I mean, please, I've had all the top professors on that have crunched the numbers.
02:07:23.000We'll get to him first, and then to Tim and Paul and others.
02:07:26.000Coming up in about 15 minutes, we've got, um, David Ray Griffin coming on.
02:07:30.000I got a few news items I want to hit before then.
02:07:33.000But for stations that don't carry that first five minutes, suddenly, you know, I told the story of why I woke up to corrupt police.
02:07:39.000I mean, I was a guy who liked to get in fist fights with the tough guys, and I was somebody who liked to go, you know, get drunk and, you know, jump pickup trucks over hills and stuff.
02:08:10.000It all started when, you know, we're at a bonfire out there, you know, drinking copious amounts of alcohol, and the police come out and try to break it up on private property when I'm like 16.
02:08:18.000And I go, hey, why don't you go back and deal your drugs?
02:08:20.000Yeah, I know about you making deliveries.
02:08:23.000The cops got me in the car and they said, look, we'll kill you.
02:08:49.000I even told the cop, I said, the only thing I've ever stolen was some candy out of a store when I was about three and a half years old.
02:08:55.000My mom made me take it back, you know, caught me in the car, and then one time I took some beer out of somebody's golf cart that was in their garage.
02:09:03.000Now the garage door was open, there was a case of beer, we did take it.
02:09:06.000And that was bad, but I said, I don't steal, what are you talking about?
02:09:10.000And he goes, well, he goes, Alex, we know that.
02:09:13.000If you don't shut your mouth, we're going to put you in jail, and people with AIDS are going to rape you.
02:09:19.000And then, my dad had a friend who was a lawyer locally, and the lawyer told my dad about it.
02:09:24.000That was one of the main reasons we moved to Austin, Texas.
02:09:27.000My dad never told me that until years later.
02:09:29.000He was just, well, I'm selling my dental offices, he had a couple dental offices, and I'm moving to Austin, which he also had a good business opportunity down here to buy a chain of dental offices.
02:09:40.000So, you know, it turned out to be good, but my family really finally moved to Austin just because the local lawyer told my dad, yeah, they may be planning to kill your son.
02:09:49.000Because, I mean, I knew they were a bunch of criminals.
02:09:51.000And the sheriff did... Jack McWhorter did go to prison for flying in cocaine.
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02:16:12.000Yeah, I believe he referred to the state because he was comparing the state of Texas to the state of New York.
02:16:17.000His statistics are a little bit off there.
02:16:20.000There are approximately 500 or so murders in the city of New York alone.
02:16:25.000The state statistics, of course, and naturally, are much larger than 400.
02:16:29.000I don't know where he came up with that statistic, but that's not accurate.
02:16:33.000Now, if I understood correctly to the interview, and by the way, I don't want to digress, but the reason I've been calling in is because things have been happening at a faster and more furious pace, as you well know, than they ever have before.
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02:21:42.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
02:21:54.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
02:21:58.000I wanted to get Professor David Ray Griffin on today to talk a little bit about some of the new 9/11 stuff that's coming out.
02:22:08.000More and more former airline pilots coming out saying what happened on 9-11 is impossible.
02:22:12.000More and more janitors and police and rescue workers saying bombs were going off.
02:22:18.000But I also wanted to just get his take on the London bombing.
02:22:22.000Just the smell test, which I talked to him off air a few days ago.
02:22:26.000He said it doesn't really pass that, but he doesn't know exactly what happened, but it doesn't look good.
02:22:31.000And we do have some new developments on that.
02:22:32.000I wanted to raise those to him a little bit later.
02:22:35.000Obviously, we have loaded phones too, and only about 40 minutes or less to talk to him.
02:22:41.000And I've got several other news items I'm going to throw out there, but I'll tell you, he's a great guy.
02:22:45.000David Ray Griffin is Professor of Philosophy of Religion at Claremont School of Theology at Claremont Graduate University.
02:22:52.000One of the co-directors of the Center for Process Studies.
02:22:54.000He is the author of God, Power, and Evil, A Process.
02:22:59.000And he again has just written a whole bunch of critically acclaimed books on many subjects, and he's written The New Pearl Harbor and several other books on 9-11.
02:23:09.000Professor, good to have you back on with us!
02:23:11.000Hi Alex, it's good to be back with you.
02:23:15.000I tell you, so much has happened since we had you on a few months ago.
02:23:19.000Your comments on what's going on with the 9-11 truth movement.
02:23:24.000Well, it's quite interesting this weekend.
02:23:28.000For the first time there will be a convergence of 9-11 people with a lot of other anti-war people and that's quite a significant development because for a long time there was a rather standoffish attitude.
02:23:45.000But I think this series of Downing Street memos opened a lot of people's eyes and people who Maybe thought 9-11 people were sort of weird conspiracy people, because, you know, the press doesn't cover their stuff, so it must not be worth covering.
02:24:06.000And now they see you can get a smoking memo that says the Bush administration was going to fix the facts and the intelligence around the policy of going to war in Iraq, and the mainstream media won't print even that.
02:24:21.000I think that opened up a lot of people to see... Well, this is key.
02:24:25.000Left control gatekeepers, funded by the Ford Foundation and others, Amy Goodman, they won't touch this with a thousand foot pole, but I have seen now the controlled left coming out of their control, and if you turn on these tens of millions of liberal activists, it is over for the globalists.
02:24:47.000So one can hope for both of those things.
02:24:49.000That is, one can hope that there is a sign that there is going to be openness to 9-11 truth in the activist-liberal part of the country, and that if that happens, that would make a significant difference.
02:25:10.000Well, what we're seeing is the mainstreaming of People not believing this ridiculous official story.
02:25:17.000I mean, I mean, certainly you're seeing that.
02:25:21.000Yeah, it's, uh, you know, the, uh, the, the, you know, more people, uh, you know, my books and other 9-11 books are still selling, uh, rather remarkably well on, you know, as, as indicated by the ranking on Amazon.com and, and, and, uh, other indicators.
02:25:39.000And this means that thousands of people every week, thousands of new people are learning about this, and most of the reviews that I get and other similar books we get on Amazon are positive.
02:25:53.000Well, I'll say this, and frankly the number of videos I sell or books you sell may be substantive, but in the aggregate it is nothing compared to just what people are learning on the Internet.
02:26:06.000I mean, it's all part of the mix, but that's indicative.
02:26:09.000I mean, a lot of... That's a good scientific indicator.
02:26:12.000Yeah, it's not scientific, but it's certainly an indicator that... I think it's scientific to be able to look at things being in a really best-selling, exposing this view.
02:26:19.000I think that's a scientific reading of sales of something.
02:26:24.000Oh sure, but I mean you haven't done some sort of impartial poll where, I mean this is a self-selected audience by definition, but the very fact that so many people are doing this self-selecting is the significant thing.
02:26:40.000And the point I'm going to make, or one of the points I'm going to make while I'm in Washington, is that there's a sense in which 9-11 is not the worst thing that's happened.
02:26:51.000I mean when you think of it, We're talking about a little over, you know, 3,000 people who were killed and a few buildings were brought down.
02:27:00.000But compare that with, you know, the number of people who've already been killed in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
02:27:08.000If we keep going in Iraq, it's certainly going to be 3,000 Americans.
02:27:13.000But 9-11 is important because it's the linchpin, the launchpad.
02:27:17.000That's absolutely right, and that's the point I'm going to make, that whereas the public might put up with the idea that the President went to war on the basis of fixed intelligence, they would not put up with 9-11.
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02:31:00.000We've had Tim and Paul and Ken holding for a long time.
02:31:06.000Those are the three calls I'll have time to take in about ten minutes or so.
02:31:09.000But we're so honored to have Professor Griffin on with us.
02:31:12.000We've got to get him back on in the future for several hours.
02:31:15.000Professor Griffin, finish up what you were just saying about this big 9-11 Truth Convergence, which I wish I could go to, but I'm mainly having you on to promote it.
02:33:24.000And so that was very good news to hear that one person was willing to sign on.
02:33:29.000So I'd say that'll be going on, and then a parallel track will be that afternoon, there will be a uh... meeting at the National Press Club for alternative journalists and uh... they're hoping several hundred of them show up from around the country and uh... i will be speaking at that event i will have about uh... twenty minutes and uh... two of the uh...
02:34:36.000Then the defense attorney steps up and says, I move for dismissal on the grounds that no good argument has been made.
02:34:44.000And then the judge steps in and says, au contraire, a prima facie case has been made, or at least the judge can say that.
02:34:54.000And if the judge does say that, then the defense must rebut all the charges.
02:35:02.000Now, the parallel is, you and I and many other people have established what we believe is to be a prima facie case.
02:35:12.000The mainstream media should have played the role of the judge and said, yes indeed, here it is, okay Bush administration, defend yourselves.
02:35:23.000But they've never even allowed, I mean certainly we've shown the evidence, they've just acted like it doesn't exist, and they've gone along with the official story since day one, and that's how the globalists, the neocon crowd, has been able to operate with impunity.
02:35:39.000Well that's right, so that the mainstream press, rather than playing the role of the impartial judge or jury, which is what one would expect from a so-called free press, They've taken the role of the mouthpiece for the administration, and so the administration just got up and said, in essence, we move to dismiss.
02:36:01.000You know, Bush says, beware of outrageous conspiracy theories, talking, you know, probably primarily to the press there.
02:36:10.000And so, nevertheless, a kind of impartial judgment has been made by public opinion Uh, you've cited the Zogby polls and the polls in Germany and the polls in Canada and so on.
02:36:23.000So we've got civil society have said yes indeed a prima facie case has been made.
02:36:29.000And so really what's happened here is they've tried to sell their fraud and in the process the already battle-scarred mainstream media has lost even more of its credibility to a level now where newspaper circulation is down by 66 percent in the last 10 years.
02:36:48.000We have the TV viewership for cable and broadcast TV down around 45%.
02:36:53.000I mean, we're seeing an exodus that the government's lost all credibility, the media is losing all credibility, and the alternative media itself is being energized in that process.
02:37:11.000Yeah, and the argument I'm going to make is that the 9-11 Commission report was in fact the government's attempt to offer a rebuttal.
02:37:21.000But, you know, with Zelikow in charge, the White House really had their man on the Commission in charge of the Commission.
02:37:27.000So that proves that that was a kangaroo court where they put all their people in charge, appointed by the President, then you ask the public again, okay?
02:37:35.000This was their, quote, response to write up a whitewash, and from the get-go they said, we're not finding government guilt.
02:37:42.000I mean, they said that from the start, so they're convicted right there of a staged hearing from their own words!
02:37:49.000That's right and so that's what I'm going to try to convince the alternative press people there is that in fact we have actually moved to that final stage because the The government had its chance to rebut all the arguments, but it didn't do it.
02:38:05.000It omitted all of them except a few, and those it distorted.
02:38:09.000Which is a prima facie case for guilt!
02:38:13.000That's right, and so I would say, as my lawyer friends tell me, if the defense does not rebut all or at least most of the charges, Well, it's like Larry Silverstein.
02:38:41.000We call his office, we write to him, hundreds of media outlets have called him, and he will not respond to Building 7 saying he pulled it.
02:38:50.000Now, through some intermediary in the New York Post of all places, oh, well, we were interviewing about why the towers fell in conspiracy theories, and he said, well, that isn't really what I meant, but then he didn't say what that meant, and then the newspaper decided not to print that, so that shows you're not even Silberstein absconding and covering up, and we also have the media doing it.
02:39:16.000Well, yeah, and I think you've had William Rodriguez on?
02:39:37.000And then we have just the, again, the prima facie evidence of the Commission saying there are no central steel columns when the World Trade Center is north of the South Tower and some of the biggest in the world.
02:39:50.000Yeah, so I had to be very selective in my talk, but that's one of them I picked out because
02:39:57.000It's significant there that James Glantz of the New York Times had written that book, co-authored the book on the rise and the fall of the World Trade Center in 2003, and he spent a lot of the book talking about this unique, at the time, structure being built around these 47 steel columns.
02:40:25.000And yet, when the 9-11 Commission report came out and denied the existence of those columns, you didn't see the New York Times protesting.
02:40:33.000And again, that's like saying the Washington Monument doesn't exist.
02:40:38.000Yeah, and actually, these things were actually bigger.
02:40:42.000I mean, there was a lot more total mass there in those 47 Steel columns than even the Washington Monument, so it's even a more, you could say, monumental lie.
02:40:54.000It's like saying the Atlantic Ocean doesn't exist.
02:40:57.000No, because, I mean, since you talked about that on C-SPAN, and since that was pointed out in the Commission Report, and others have pointed it out, I've gotten lots of emails from architecture students.
02:41:07.000They're like, we study the WTCs in school, and they talk about the columns.
02:41:13.000Yeah, can you get some of those people to go on record and say that?
02:43:28.000The Army's own handbooks, up until the mid-nineties, said it's deadly poisonous, it'll kill you, don't breathe it.
02:43:34.000All these decontamination ways, you've got guys in suits, special vehicles to deal with it, and then they just don't issue that to the troops and tell them to use it everywhere.
02:43:43.000Yeah, so, uh, when we say that, uh, you know, only 1,800 Americans, uh,
02:43:52.000have been killed and even if it's only uh... six thousand if you know if we were counting the ones who died on the plane leaving iraq uh... still that's a fairly small number compared with the the people who are going to die from this war i mean just americans uh... how do they you know i think the use almost in real magnitude it's much better salting four different countries with this in the last fifteen years but before we go to a few calls
02:44:21.000Professor David Ray Griffin, I wanted to bring this up to you.
02:44:25.000Bush and Cheney are out fear-mongering.
02:44:27.000Their neocon mouthpieces are out fear-mongering.
02:44:48.000But it scares me to see these criminals creating kind of a history, a false history, That suitcase nukes are here, and I don't put it past them to blow up 20 city blocks, and then radically re-engineer our whole society, have a draft, make themselves king, they've introduced the bills to repeal the 22nd Amendment.
02:45:07.000I mean, a lot of serious people, Professor, even Tommy Frank said it.
02:45:12.000They are really setting up for martial law.
02:45:14.000I got articles about secret police units with the military spying on citizens.
02:45:18.000I mean, I'm not trying to scare people here, but I think this military-industrial complex is capable, and I'm seeing the same propaganda I saw before 9-11, of carrying out some type of nuclear attack here in the U.S.
02:45:32.000Well, my comment is I'm just afraid that this may well be right, and like you, I believe that one can't put even such a thing beyond these people because they are really fanatic.
02:45:52.000When you start reading the literature about the neocons and see what their world view is, and we're talking about people that are household names, we're talking about Chaney, Rumsfeld, Pearl, Wolfowitz, And, uh, you know, the Washington Standard crowd.
02:46:10.000And these guys are truly fanatics who really want to rule the world.
02:46:16.000And they've got that megalomaniacal syndrome going.
02:46:19.000And imagine Napoleon or Hitler with the nukes.
02:46:56.000And that's why, again, I go back to why I focused on 9-11, because Even though that would be far worse, and even though, I mean, what we're doing with DU is possibly now killing the world.
02:47:14.000Yeah, and so those are the huge stories, and 9-11 in and of itself, you know, was a fairly Small event.
02:47:23.000Yeah, it's like getting Capone on income taxes.
02:47:25.000And we're not minimizing 9-11, but in scale, it is tiny compared to attacking Iraq twice with hundreds of thousands of tons of this stuff, Serbia, 10 proving grounds in the U.S., and Afghanistan.
02:47:38.000They bombed Republican Guard bases, then they have our troops move in a week later and do nothing about it.
02:47:45.000Yeah, but 9-11 is huge in terms of the I mean, it has been the pretext for all this other stuff, so that if we can expose 9-11, and I say the other reason is that whereas American people would put up with a lot of other nonsense, they would not put up with learning that the government had deliberately manufactured 9-11 and lied about it.
02:48:10.000Professor, so many people woke up now I think that helps, though.
02:48:14.000I don't think that this establishment counted on people being so bold and seeing that the root is government-sponsored terror.
02:48:22.000Do you think that that makes us safer, that everybody's starting to wake up?
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02:52:06.000But, Professor, you're high up in academia, your book's endorsed, you've been praised by a lot of pretty high power people.
02:52:15.000I mean, talking to folks that would be called, you know, mid-level elite, it seems like, and I've talked to some of them too, they're upset.
02:52:37.000I mean, that's what I'm seeing happening.
02:52:39.000The question is, is it happening fast enough, Professor?
02:52:43.000Well, of course, it's hard to know, but it is very interesting that a lot of very conservative people are rejecting the neocon.
02:52:54.000So you've got these volumes coming out, one of them's called Neocon'd, and another one's called Neocon'd Again, and one of them is essays entirely by conservatives.
02:53:09.000And then you've got Paul Craig Roberts and you've got several other quite conservative people who are protesting and saying this is just nuts.
02:53:19.000Well, again, folks, they're going to carry out attacks, they're going to have a national draft, you're going to have to salute them and worship them.
02:53:25.000The public plans, they'll have citizens in little uniforms and local tattletale squads.
02:53:30.000We're going to make Soviet China look friendly.
02:54:43.000Yeah, yeah, certainly they will sable rattle.
02:54:46.000So you've got two very strong and powerful forces there, and it's certainly not helpful for us to be presenting them as our new spurious enemy.
02:55:03.000After arming them to the teeth, let's take a few calls.
02:55:26.000Those that seek to oppress, those that are aiding those oppressors, those that are bowing down to it, and those, like us, that attempt to lift the veil of secrecy on these people.
02:55:35.000I think Mr. C has fallen into category number two there.
02:55:38.000And finally, whatever happened to the court case Marbury v. Madison?
02:55:41.000That states that anything that goes against the Constitution is null and void.
02:55:45.000And how does that correlate to the ACF?