In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, Jack and Erskine discuss the 7/7 interview with John Loftus, and how the FBI is covering up the identity of the real mastermind behind the attacks on the World Trade Center.
00:01:22.000Was the 7-7-7 mastermind, Oswalt, working for British Intelligence?
00:01:29.000John Loftus and Mansoor Ayez came up with surprising information about the mastermind, allegedly Haroon Rashid Oswald, behind the London bombings.
00:01:39.000And here's part of the transcript, according to Fox News.
00:01:43.000Can it really be that close to Oswald?
00:01:47.000Oh, well, you know what's funny is, uh, it's Tim Os- in fact, this is a whole nother suspect, I believe, Erskine.
00:01:56.000Osmond was the code name for Osama Bin Laden with the CIA.
00:02:01.000And they've just- Right, that's the name where, when he met with people like, uh, Ted Gunderson, uh, when they were selling the nuclear we- not the nuclear, but the Stinger missiles- Yes.
00:02:42.000I'm going to kind of leave out some of the The minutia here, Loftus, says, quote, this is the guy and what's really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing him and one wing of the British government, MI6, the British Secret Service, has been hiding him.
00:02:59.000And this has been a real source of contention between the CIA and the Justice Department and Britain.
00:03:06.000Jarek answers back, MI6 has been hiding him?
00:03:09.000Are you saying that he's been working for them?
00:03:11.000This, again, is one of the lead suspects in the 7-7 bombings.
00:03:42.000And we've got the United States Justice Department protecting this lead terrorist suspect, Erskine.
00:03:49.000It's just a little bit more of the same, isn't it?
00:03:51.000Why should that be surprising when you look at the first bombing of the World Trade Center and the FBI admits, and this was in open court, this is not some conspiracy nutcase saying it, They admit that, yes, we had a double agent working for us, and the agent went to the FBI and said, we're ready to do the World Trade Center, but we don't have a bomb, and the FBI said, oh, don't worry about that, here's a bomb!
00:04:45.000I'll go back and when we come back we'll talk about how he's been taken off the watch list and how he always escapes prosecution right on time.
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00:08:44.000Alex went to London to cover on the ground some of the news emanating out of London which now becomes the epicenter for terrorism.
00:08:52.000Of course we're told we're all Londoners and I am told that he is on his way home now safely with a whole briefcase full of information and news footage.
00:09:03.000Erskine, I would expect nothing less from Alex Jones.
00:09:57.000Certainly, I'm sure Erskine would agree with me.
00:09:59.000Erskine, let's continue with this story developing from Fox News.
00:10:03.000I think it's really interesting that Fox aired this, but it seems that maybe they didn't know what this John Loftus was going to say.
00:10:10.000Now, again, the interview is between Mike Jarek of Fox News, John Loftus is a terrorism expert, a former prosecutor for the Justice Department, And where we left off in the first segment was Loftus was telling Jarek that this Haroon Rashid Oswalt was British intelligence, that he was a double agent.
00:10:29.000And then we start going into all of these coincidences such as the Seattle prosecutors ordered The Justice Department ordered the Seattle prosecutors not to touch Oswalt.
00:10:40.000And then we get into the fact that he's on a watch list.
00:10:44.000That's right, he's on a terrorist watch list, just like all the bombers that came over in the 93 World Trade Center bombing.
00:10:51.000And Loftus says, yes, he's on the watch list.
00:10:53.000The only reason he could get away with that was if he was working for British intelligence.
00:10:58.000Making a very simple connection, Erskine, that a guy's on a watch list, he moves around every way he wants to, and here's Loftus, a terrorism expert, saying the only reason you can get away with that is if you are working for British intelligence.
00:11:11.000Now, one more element of this story, a couple of more elements, but the next one is Jarek's asking about Pakistan.
00:11:18.000Did the Pakistanis jail him when they caught him?
00:11:54.000Mansoor Ijaz, also interviewed in this interview with Jarek and Fox News, goes on to say, Okay, here's Loftus again, quoting during the same interview.
00:12:40.000was used for al-Mujahiran, for training of people to send to Kosovo, what The first ties all these cells had together was back in the late 1990s.
00:12:50.000The leaders all worked for British Intelligence in Kosovo.
00:12:54.000Believe it or not, British Intelligence actually hired some Al-Qaeda guys to help defend the Muslim rights in Albania and Kosovo.
00:13:02.000That's when the Al-Mujahidin got started.
00:13:05.000So again, the Al-Mujahidin spin-off group, Al-MI6AIDA, Again, under British intelligence in Kosovo, according to this Justice Department head, Loftus.
00:13:25.000I mean, again, I don't know how much evidence we need here, Erskine.
00:13:28.000That seems to constantly be the situation.
00:13:31.000In fact, just recently I had a debate with Somebody of more of a libertarian persuasion, and I was giving him a lot of this evidence, and what we constantly hear is it's incompetence!
00:13:43.000It's just incompetence, Erskine, of course.
00:13:46.000The fact that they keep catching these very same people that they're accusing for bombings down the road again and again and again, and they're releasing them, that they're on terrorist watch lists, but they run around doing whatever they like.
00:13:57.000I mean, this is just incompetence by the Global Intelligence Services!
00:14:02.000Either they are totally incompetent and total idiots, or they are using these people to create, as Paul Joseph Watson says, order out of chaos.
00:14:12.000It's either state-sponsored terrorism, or these people are incompetent, and they aren't making that many incompetents today.
00:14:20.000They just aren't turning them out today, and these are not stupid people who are running the CIA.
00:14:26.000These are not stupid people who are running the various governments.
00:14:29.000And so you've got one choice or another.
00:14:31.000Either it's planned, or it's incompetence.
00:14:34.000That's the only choices we've got, as I look at it, Jack.
00:14:38.000Well, on command and control, you certainly do have a number of incompetence, and it reminds me when I did a little work with Fox News over those conventions, Erskine, and, you know, people talk about the great media conspiracy, and I'm looking at a room full of people.
00:14:53.000It is controlled chaos from the top down.
00:14:56.000You know, obviously a lot of these intelligence agents don't really know what's going on, or we wouldn't have had so many people, the people that David Shippers and others are representing right now, Stanley Hilton, that had come out trying to warn their superiors about the plot developing for 9-11.
00:15:12.000The fact that these so-called agents were working under a sting operation, these so-called terrorists were also getting instructions how to fly planes but not land them again.
00:15:23.000Again, all part of the cover story, some of that.
00:15:26.000But, again, I mean, here's David Chippers himself, who was involved in prosecuting President Bill Clinton.
00:15:35.000He led the impeachment effort for Bill Clinton.
00:15:37.000You would think he'd have some friends on the Ryderskin.
00:15:40.000And he calls these people, and he says, There's a plot going on to fly airplanes into buildings, etc., etc.
00:16:03.000There was ample evidence that they did know what was going to happen, and who got fired in the intelligence community.
00:16:10.000Not only did they not get fired, they got promoted.
00:16:14.000Well, as Bill Maher likes to say, he was the only one fired for the incompetence on 9-11.
00:16:20.000Of course, for making an off-the-cuff and not-very-politically-correct remark.
00:16:26.000Certainly, we saw Tenet and others take the brunt of some of the information problems we had in the Iraq buildup but for 9-11 nobody was in fact quite the opposite Erskine we should now note that not only was no one punished and no one reprimanded but most of the people involved were promoted involved with 9-11 Absolutely.
00:16:56.000They expand the intelligence agencies, put them under a bigger umbrella where nobody can see what's going on, make them more private, and they put the spotlight on us, the American citizens.
00:17:09.000They declare war on the American citizens.
00:17:12.000The heck with the terrorists, because they know who they are.
00:17:17.000And we're seeing this more and more and more.
00:17:20.000Well, this Oswald again is an agent provocateur.
00:17:23.000I mean, we now have a clear statement from two sides, the Brits and the US, who both declare that Oswald is an agent provocateur, a quote, mule, or as I like to call a matrix mole, or even a patsy, although the US administration is trying to point their finger towards London's MI6.
00:17:42.000It's rather clear That certain factions in both administrations are working hand-in-hand, and of course you mentioned Order Out of Chaos, Erskine.
00:17:50.000I mean, this is right out of the leaflets of Gladio and the United Nations and NATO option, or the Salvador option.
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00:24:34.000You want to talk about CAFTA, we've got some new information about that and how that vote was rigged and possibly how we might even have A platform to get a recall on that vote, so we'll be talking about that during the program as well.
00:24:50.000Mr. Chertoff, or as I like to call him, Comrade Chertoff, warns of nuclear terror.
00:24:55.000We're going to talk about that, but Erskine, you have a clip that's germane to the previous topic that we have been discussing, and I'd like you to set that up and play that clip for us.
00:25:04.000Well, what we were discussing, for anybody who's joining us new, we were discussing the fact that they were using a mole or they were using a double agent named Oswalt, an unusual name, one we've never heard anything sounding even close to, but what they do is they keep reusing the same scenario.
00:25:25.000If it worked once for them, it works again.
00:25:28.000Here you have the London bombing and what happened there.
00:26:00.000What's happened over the last 10, 12, 15 years?
00:26:05.000The anti-terrorism legislation was written back in the George Bush administration, and there was a female Department of Justice author who said, "Before this passes, people have to be killed." Fast forward to 1993, the World Trade Center.
00:26:27.000The FBI had an informant, a fellow named Salam, 43-year-old former Egyptian officer, who was in with the terrorists.
00:26:35.000He was given the assignment to put the bomb together.
00:26:38.000He went to his FBI handler and told him, "We'll put a dummy bomb together." His FBI handler said, "No, we'll use the real bomb." Notice that.
00:27:12.000They needed to take the heat off of what was coming down on the Downing Street Memo regarding the prior knowledge and the prior plans to go into Iraq.
00:27:22.000This accomplished all of that for them.
00:27:26.000Well, let's remember also, Erskine, that that happened during the Clinton administration.
00:27:33.000Now, of course, they blame it on the Bush administration, just like Bush can blame 9-11 on the Clinton administration.
00:27:41.000Bushes, Clintons, Reagans, I mean, it doesn't matter what we have.
00:27:45.000That's a great clip, by the way, Erskine, and when we're talking about this interview at Fox News, and this guy Loftus talking about how the CIA was funding operations to defend the Muslims in Kosovo, and British intelligence was doing the hiring and the recruiting, I mean, we can all trace this back to Afghanistan, we can trace this back to Kosovo, but I'll tell you, you know, I've heard the excuses for the quote-unquote sting operation happening during the 93 World Trade Center bombing, Erskine, And it's the same thing.
00:28:16.000I guess there were two people in the department that were monitoring these people during the sting, and I guess they were having some kind of an affair, and of course it went wrong, and yeah, we had some incompetent boobs in charge of the sting operation.
00:28:30.000You know, it just reminds me of another episode of 24, the TV show.
00:28:35.000I mean, this is right out of Hollywood.
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00:33:45.000John Bolton will be rushed through, of course, not being voted on appropriately by the Senate.
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00:33:57.000So we'll talk about that on today's program.
00:33:59.000I'm Jack Blood, of course, sitting in for Alex today.
00:34:01.000Alex will be back tomorrow, and of course, Erskine is with me.
00:34:05.000We have this clip, Erskine, that I was speaking about in the first segment of today's program, and I want to play that because I think that will More appropriately illustrate what we are talking about here even better than I can reading between the lines before I do that I want to remind people to get martial law 9-11 rise of the police state learn the terrifying secret that holds the future of the world in its grasp this is the most Explosive video documentary out there today.
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00:36:44.000A SWAT is believed to be the mastermind Of all the bombings in London, on the 7-7 and 7-21, this is the guy, we think.
00:36:54.000This is THE guy, and what's really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI6, or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him.
00:37:06.000And this has been a real source of contention between CIA, Justice Department, and Britain.
00:37:34.000The CIA and the Israelis all accused MI6 of letting all these terrorists live in London, not because they were getting Al-Qaeda information, but for appeasement.
00:37:45.000It was one of those, you leave us alone and we leave you alone kind of things.
00:37:48.000Well, we left him alone too long then.
00:37:56.000The Justice Department wanted to indict him in Seattle because him and his buddy were trying to set up a terrorist training school in Oregon.
00:40:06.000Can you believe... I mean, here we are, looking at our key suspect for the London bombings as working with British Intelligence, broadcast on Fox News.
00:40:14.000Erskine, I don't know who this John Luftus guy is.
00:40:25.000I haven't had time yet to do enough research to figure out exactly why this man is coming forward with this information, but we do have the information and I think setting aside, you know, some of the other smaller details about these patsies being on the buses and working for some kind of a master, I mean, I think we have the key to the whole thing here.
00:40:46.000When you add up the drills that were being run, Netanyahu and Giuliani being on site, We'll be right back.
00:40:53.000bombings and now this guy Oswalt I think we have a pretty clear picture and insight into what happened that day on 7-7 we'll be right back we will uh yes yes it certainly does give a terrific insight doesn't it you jumped the gun there on me or skimmer I did, I did.
00:41:15.000It gives you a terrific insight into what's happening.
00:41:17.000You don't trust me to take us to break, do you, Erskine?
00:41:28.000They're not saying he could be a member of British intelligence.
00:41:32.000They don't really want to go there, and that was what was so astonishing about that, that they actually would come out with that information But it's absolute proof, once again, that, indeed, we're getting state-sponsored terrorism.
00:41:47.000Well, it's easy to blame British intelligence for all of this.
00:41:50.000Of course, you know, we're looking at good cop, bad cop again, and let's let the United States play the role of good cop for a few minutes, Erskine.
00:42:23.000Yeah, well, you can call that a conspiracy theory as well, except for it was reported in the BBC and the Washington Times.
00:42:29.000So, again, I mean, they put these stories out a few days after the 9-11 bombings.
00:42:34.000This is Osama bin Laden visited by the CIA agent, operative chief, station chief, in July of 2001 while he's on the terrorist watch list.
00:42:43.000Wanted for the bombing of the USS Cole and the CIA chief in the Middle East is visiting him and he's being treated by an American doctor in an American hospital.
00:42:54.000Excuse me, does anybody see a problem here?
00:42:58.000And what happened to the people they caught that had bombed the USS Cole?
00:43:01.000Do you know the answer to that question, Erskine?
00:43:17.000I mean, this isn't Otis that they're hiding, or Otis who's sitting in the jail, going over his drinking bench.
00:43:24.000These are the people who bombed the USS Cole, and you say they just walked out of jail.
00:43:29.000They didn't happen to be Houdini's, did they?
00:43:31.000It's just fantastic, and then we hear these stories about, I mean, again, Oswalt, the Haroon Rashid Oswalt, now we think might have engineered these 7-7 bombings, working for British intelligence, Getting help and aid all over the country where he goes.
00:43:49.000Of course we heard this about Chemical Ali.
00:43:51.000We've heard this about Zakawi probably five or six times.
00:43:55.000The most recent event was he escaped out of the Humvees were chasing him down the road of Iraq and he jumped out of his truck and ran away to the desert on his one leg.
00:44:07.000I mean, I just, I gotta think that the, the powers that be think that we are incredibly stupid and so dumbed down that we won't notice this.
00:44:15.000Well, you've gotta look at it this way.
00:44:17.000No wonder we can't win this war on terror.
00:44:59.000Yeah, well, first of all, you know, I'm on the left, and I think you guys do a great job on certain things, and I would like to sort of supplement with, you know, Workers' Org or ZMAG work for their lack on the left.
00:45:10.000Before you go into that, John, let me ask you.
00:45:12.000You called in Friday, and you were making a case for Cuba, and I was going to leave that for last.
00:45:29.000Yeah, I think it's very easy to answer that.
00:45:32.000The United States government, according to former CIA operatives, had been attempting to overthrow Castro from almost the first moment that the revolution occurred.
00:45:40.000And as a caller said, it wasn't something that just arose instantly out of Zeus, the revolution.
00:45:46.000That went on for a six-year guerrilla war.
00:45:48.000from the Moncada fight on 1953 to 1959.
00:45:53.000You look at the thing that you often mention, Operation Northwood, which was a plan by all of the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the civilian Undersecretary of Defense, Paul Nitze, to kill Americans, bomb American cities, blow up a ship in American Harbor.
00:46:11.000Send up a remote control planes that were supposedly rigged to appear to be shot down by Cuba all in an attempt to frame up Cuba and invade Cuba.
00:46:21.000That certainly indicates that this is not a controlled opposition, along with the... So the answer to the question is that no, we didn't sway your opinion whatsoever.
00:46:30.000Did you look into how communism was created and the overthrow of the Russian Revolution and the Bolsheviks?
00:46:36.000Yes, I disagree there too, since there were 14 Catholic countries that sent Troop contingents to strangle that revolution immediately after it occurred, including the United States.
00:46:46.000Here's what we have, John, is we have kind of the five-sense prison, the illusion, the so-called matrix version of events, and then we have another version of history, and it's very difficult, I think, sometimes to bring the two together and to try to find the truth, but we'll kind of let that dog lie.
00:47:09.000This is a man who, in the Justice Department, was known for investigating all of the Nazis that were brought into the United States, CIA, NATO, and the United States and Europe after the Second World War for anti-Soviet and anti-Communist operations.
00:47:25.000That would be Operation Paperclip, among others, right?
00:47:28.000Right, and they were brought into the Ethnic Outreach Group, so-called, The Republican Party that was briefly mentioned in one day back in the 88th election that were working for Bush.
00:47:40.000So they apparently didn't know who they were dealing with when they have brought him on.
00:47:45.000I kind of find it hard to believe, and again I don't want to sound like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat here, John, but I find it hard to believe that they didn't know who he was and what his background was.
00:47:54.000I also find it hard to believe that they didn't know what he was going to say, and I find it a little difficult to believe that even after he said this, that this remains out there still as information.
00:48:08.000No, we're not working with any terrorists.
00:48:10.000It's the British that are working with the terrorists, and maybe they bombed themselves, but of course we're trying to catch these evil terrorists.
00:48:17.000Yeah, but of course we know the close collaboration between Anglo-American intelligence, and I was, you're talking about Zakari, and I was reading in the latest issue of Progressive Magazine, which is just mildly liberal and won't give up, won't go there, won't, you know, it's sort of a gatekeeper, but they brought something out that was interesting.
00:48:33.000They said, this article pointed out, not for nothing the administration let Abu Massar Zakari remained on the loose in the lead-up to the Iraq War, as NBC revealed in a major but very under-reported story dated March 2, 2004.
00:48:47.000The United States military knew of the whereabouts of Zakari for some time.
00:48:51.000He was in northern Iraq under the no-fly zone in an area nominally controlled by the Kurds, that is, under the U.S.
00:48:58.000Long before the war, quote, the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist organization operation and perhaps kill Zakari himself.
00:49:09.000Jim Buzlewski of NBC reported, three times the Pentagon drew up a strike plan, and three times the Bush National Security Council nixed it.
00:49:18.000Military officials insist their case for attacking Zaqqari's operation was airtight, but the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq under the U.S.
00:49:30.000Kurd controlled zone would undercut its case for war against Saddam, NBC said.
00:49:36.000The fact of the matter is, if you kill the boogeyman, you can't kill the boogeyman because you don't have anybody to hold up to that's a reason for the wars or anything else.
00:49:57.000You've got to have him as our poster boy.
00:49:59.000Or you can kill him and roll him back out a few months later because, again, we've fallen so far down the memory hole, Erskine, that we forget that we even killed the guy.
00:50:09.000And what you're talking about, John, reminds us of the strike that Sudan had arranged for Bill Clinton to get Osama bin Laden.
00:50:16.000Of course, again, they didn't want to deal with the collateral damage that could appear by bombing Osama bin Laden in Sudan at that time.
00:50:26.000Why didn't the CIA station chief, when he went in to see him at the American hospital, just take him out?
00:50:33.000It's okay to kill and sanction to death over a million people in Iraq, but we don't want any collateral damage by trying to catch Emanuel Goldstein.
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00:54:53.000Comrade Michael Chertoff, warning of a nuclear terror event, of course, thanks to the fatherland.
00:55:44.000They're kicking us out of the Karshi-Kanabat Air Base there, known as K2.
00:55:51.000And the reason why they're doing it is the UN's been in there trying to fly these refugees out of Kyrgyzstan that went in there after this revolution to kick out the Russian Mafia about three months ago.
00:56:04.000And we were bouncing them from Kyrgyzstan to our air base through refugee camps in Romania.
00:56:11.000Well, they can apply for refugee status in the United States or Israel, or they can go play in Eastern Europe.
00:56:17.000We defer to the United Nations in Uzbekistan.
00:57:42.000Well, I noticed last night in that interview we had there with Putin, He said that the oligarchs that were robbing everybody in Russia were Jewish.
00:57:51.000That's what Putin said in that interview.
00:57:53.000He did say that and if you're, you know, a student of history and you're a student of a lot of these issues, in some ways you could get caught up in that and then you could look like, it could look very much like Pootie Poots, one of the good guys fighting the oligarchs, but then when you get to the juicy details of him bombing himself repeatedly so that he can bring down this consolidation of power, it just doesn't ring quite as true and as nice as we'd all like to believe.
00:59:43.000There's a couple of stories I wanted to cover before we go back to the phones, and anything that you want to throw in, obviously, we'll get that on the table as well.
00:59:51.000We had spoke earlier of Chertoff warning of nuclear tear.
00:59:54.000Homeland Security Secretary sees WMD threat as a major concern.
01:00:02.000Issuing yet the latest warning of the threat of nuclear terrorism in the U.S.
01:00:08.000Homeland Security Secretary Comrade Michael Chertoff said there are far worse security problems facing the country than bombings of mass transit systems.
01:00:18.000In comments during a visit to Lawrence Livermore Laboratory in California this week, Chertoff said Foremost concern for the nation's security now is the threat of a larger chemical, biological, and nuclear attack.
01:00:32.000Chertoff joins the growing list of public officials including President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and Chertoff's predecessor at Homeland Security, Tom Ridge, who have ... have strongly hinted that nuclear terrorism has moved center stage as the number one security threat facing the United States.
01:00:50.000Now, of course, they don't have any real evidence of this.
01:00:53.000They cannot name any sources for this.
01:00:55.000It reminds me very much of what happened leading up to the war in Iraq.
01:00:58.000Last month, World Net Daily and its sister publication, Joseph Farris G2 Bulletin, Disinformation, reported increasing evidence suggesting Al-Qaeda Not only has nuclear weapons in its arsenal, but has smuggled them into the U.S.
01:01:14.000along with thousands of sleeper operatives.
01:01:17.000Referring to the London bombings, Chertoff said, we can't let what happened two, three weeks ago beguile our concerns of what could happen in the future.
01:01:26.000Technology that the Livermore Lab and other public-private groups are developing could help make the country safer, Chertoff said.
01:01:33.000The Secretary has shown that the lab has done to provide more portable ways to detect nuclear, biological, and chemical devices that the terrorists could use.
01:01:43.000Now, I don't know how that's going to protect us, if and when the, ahem, terrorists decide to unleash a nuclear war here on the United States, but again, just like all of the other articles exactly like this, talking about exactly the same thing, We never hear any sources for this.
01:02:01.000We never hear any real evidence that this is actually happening.
01:02:05.000These are always unnamed sources and, of course, I think we can write this off as pure propaganda.
01:03:05.000Well, meanwhile, AP News is reporting Israel threatens massive ground operation.
01:03:11.000Israel will launch a massive ground operation of Palestinian militants' fire on Israeli soldiers and settlers during the next month's Gaza pullout.
01:03:20.000In such a scenario, the evacuation of settlers would be halted and Israeli forces will move in.
01:03:27.000Big, big things happening in the Middle East.
01:03:30.000A lot of this they're not telling us about.
01:03:33.000Of course, even the Israeli citizens themselves being threatened with detention if they get in the way of this quote-unquote pullout.
01:03:40.000We'll come right back and go right to your calls after this.
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01:07:01.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
01:07:07.000This is Erskine, I'm Erskine Overdyke.
01:07:09.000It's two per day, because it takes two to sit in and fill the shoes of the great Alex Jones, who is away making another fabulous video in London, in the belly of the beast, where the Terror Central is today.
01:07:25.000And we're talking also with Jack Blood, Deadline Live, heard about two hours from now over most of these same stations.
01:08:30.000Um, I was watching a CBS Evening News report Last night from London and behind this reporter was a bus and the bus had the number 7 on it.
01:08:40.000Now, of course we know that the Madrid bombings happened on March 11, 2004, exactly 911 days after 9-11.
01:08:47.000So, this numbers game keeps on popping up and that to me is the major clue that The New World Order folks are behind it because they are really big on this number stuff.
01:09:02.000Oh, they're big on the occult symbolism of numerology.
01:10:01.000And that's probably that, and of course we're going to talk about CAFTA here sometime in this hour, hopefully, if not the final hour of today's program.
01:10:10.000You know, whether or not Karl Rove is guilty of treason, whether or not the bombings were done by Osama bin Laden himself, or Zarqawi, Or Oswalt or any of this really has no bearing on what's really going on in the world.
01:10:25.000What's really going on here is that they've not only just reinstituted the Patriot Act, but they've actually beefed it up and shot it full of steroids.
01:10:32.000And CAFTA just passed, which again we're going to talk about with an illegal vote in the House.
01:10:38.000That's what they're trying to cover up, and of course we've got the poll numbers way down for both Bush and Blair.
01:10:43.000Yes, they were re-elected because they engineer the elections, in my opinion, but, you know, poll numbers dropping, people demanding that troops get out of Iraq, and of course now part of the Sunday news cycle is, if we pull the troops out of Iraq, there will certainly be civil war, which is probably what they want it all on.
01:11:00.000One of the things that Clayton was mentioning is that they're making no bones to bones, like as in skull and bones, to hide what they are.
01:11:10.000If you look at the pictures, and especially I get a lot of friends of mine who are born-again Christians, and God bless you, you're doing what you think is right, but pay attention.
01:11:19.000Don't go in with the blinders on, because when you're watching Bush at his inauguration, Mr. George W. Bush, he and his entire family are giving the sign of Satan.
01:11:32.000They are sending signals to their minions.
01:11:38.000As you pointed out last Friday during the cap the vote.
01:11:42.000Here's Bush leaving, flipping the bird.
01:11:44.000They are just absolutely telling people by these hand gestures, by the numerology that you're seeing, who is in control that these people are, let's use the word, satanic.
01:11:56.000Clayton, there's two books I'd recommend to you and the listeners.
01:11:59.000One is Eric Rainbolt's Revelation 9-11, which is for free on the internet.
01:12:04.000If you go to my forum, you can locate that.
01:12:23.000He wrote a book, and the entire, I think, last ten pages is all the tie-ins and coincidences where 9-11 is being used to, as I think, really leave a calling card.
01:12:32.000Clayton, you hit the nose on the head on the...
01:14:29.000The Satanist Alistair Crawley, his address wherever he lived was 7-7-7.
01:14:33.000Good point, he wrote a book called 7-7-7 as well.
01:14:35.000777 as well. - And also listen to this.
01:14:38.000Okay, 311 was 911 days after 911, but how many people know that in the Zodiac, March 11th is exactly 180 degrees apart from September the 11th.
01:14:50.000If you were to look at a clock, one would be at the 12th position and the other would be at the 6th.
01:14:55.000I'm not sure what the significance is, but I'm sure it's there.
01:14:58.000And in addition to that, the Lone Gunman episode that aired with the remote control planes flying into the towers, that aired on March, in March of 2001, six months prior to September 11th.
01:15:15.000And then I just want to ask, does anybody know who's at Bohemian Grove this year?
01:15:18.000I know Bush has taken a month-long vacation.
01:15:21.000And Jack, do you have a shortwave channel I can listen to you on?
01:15:49.000I want to ask you, Erskine, I mean, we're talking now about numerology the last couple of calls, and while I think that that factors in, I wonder, you know, how good a news that is.
01:15:59.000In other words, are we able to use this to, you know, get through and plant seeds and wake people up, or is it something that will put us in the tinfoil hat region?
01:16:10.000I think when you're talking about the numerology, I think it's time that the people who are considered to be the fundamentalist Christians who have been a backbone of Bush need to see that this man is symbolizing and sending symbols, that the New World Order is sending symbols of being satanic, and that the New World Order is sending symbols of being satanic, and if you're not standing up against it, then you are a part You've got to stand up against it.
01:16:53.000So these people have to be looking at it and they have to know These people are telling you they're satanic, and if you aren't standing up and saying something, then you are giving your support.
01:17:09.000It's great evidence to get out there and tell people that there's such a thing as state-sponsored terrorism, point them in the right direction of where all the terrorism comes from.
01:17:19.000As much as I'm interested in numerology, Erskine, I have to tell you, it just doesn't open up the rabbit hole for me as much as I think we need.
01:17:30.000It's a great piece of the puzzle, but again, I just like people to be careful because here we have all of this evidence, things we can prove, and I just really want to remind people to try to put that on the front as the main course on your table.
01:17:44.000Now, the other interesting thing that I thought that Ruben was talking about was the proliferation of young people, how we need to get them involved, how Paul Joseph Watson, how Alex, how so many people are younger.
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01:18:36.000It looks like we're going to break right now, and we'll be right back with your calls at 800-259-9231.
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01:23:23.000We're seeing it every single day, and you've got to have your mind open.
01:23:27.000You can't rely on NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, and Fox for your news.
01:23:32.000You absolutely can't anymore, can you?
01:23:34.000Well, the establishment media is the death knell for the mind, so we really have to kind of wrap our mind up in armor We are winning some of them.
01:24:13.000You know, I'm kind of speculating, but this loftiest interview that you all aired earlier, it looks to me like a bit of infighting between the Fabian faction and the Zionist Bolshevik faction of the New World Order.
01:24:29.000You know, the Fabians, of course, wanted their national ID card in the UK, and they weren't averse to using some Arabs and a little bit of terrorism to get it.
01:24:40.000The Zionist faction, on the other hand, to them, the only good Arab is a dead Arab.
01:24:46.000So they probably, you know, anyone that the MI6 got their hands on, they probably wanted them to locked up for life.
01:24:54.000I think that's one of the major pluses that we're seeing that these people with their egos and everything, It's sort of like watching The Highlander, only one can survive.
01:25:04.000And I think that that could be a real opening for those who want freedom, is the fact that you're going to see them fighting against each other.
01:25:15.000Well, we'll have to watch because if this story gets spiked and buried and disappears and the transcripts are all gone, except of course we've made copies of all of these, then we'll know that it was an accident that this guy Loftus wasn't supposed to go this far and say this.
01:25:30.000Regarding infighting, I mean, middle management is always infighting and that's what I believe, you know, the controllers want.
01:25:37.000They know the plan and I believe They're Fabian socialists first and everything else second.
01:25:43.000So I think it's a good point, though I don't want to get too excited over any kind of infighting because I see this as being engineered by the globalists.
01:25:50.000Yeah, well it's hard to call these guys Fabians when they're willing to kill 3,000 people at a time.
01:25:57.000I mean, you know, that's not supposed to be the Fabian approach to things.
01:26:11.000On the other hand, you know, I'm not sure how much credibility Loftus had.
01:26:15.000Loftus ran what amounted to a death squad out of the Justice Department, killing enemies of Israel for some time.
01:26:24.000And this was reported in the American Free Press, no great friend of Israel, so I'm not sure how much credibility they have, but I'm inclined to think that there was some truth to that one.
01:26:36.000I don't know what his position is today, but it's no accident when this guy appears on Fox News, they know who they're dealing with and what kind of credentials they have.
01:26:47.000Well, good point, and we're still trying to decode this story as it rolls out, but there's a couple things we'll look for as the story develops, and I believe, again, if it disappears, we'll know that it was a bit of an accident.
01:26:57.000If it stays out there, then we're going to have to try to decode it, and I think the first way I look at this is, you know, the United States are the good guys, and Britain's the bad guys here, and they're getting ready for something, because if there is a world war, we've got to know who the enemies are.
01:27:14.000I don't think they can afford to leave it out there, because it makes people question, and they can't afford to have people questioning the official versions of anything.
01:27:24.000You question one of these, one of these starts to break open in the major media, and then people are going to question everything, and they can't have people questioning, because God knows they may end up thinking!
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01:33:21.000I have a small cameo in the film, but I gotta tell you, I mean, sitting in for Alex Jones, being a guest on his program, and Alex really helped me kind of up through the masses to build a pretty big radio show of my own, Erskine, and getting a little cameo in his film, I mean, it is really an honor for me.
01:36:05.000It provides for the mandatory inclusion of trigger locks on the sale of a firearm, a handgun in particular.
01:36:12.000Right, if someone steals a handgun and if it has a trigger lock on it, you're okay.
01:36:17.000If they steal your handgun and it doesn't, then you can be liable, right?
01:36:21.000Well, what will happen is, ultimately, because Congress does not immunize you as someone who has, let's say, a handgun without a trigger lock, who winds up being the misfortunate victim of a burglar, you will not legally be immunized.
01:36:34.000Now, that's an absurd premise, because here we will be double-victimizing the victim of a larceny.
01:36:41.000Matter of fact, it's rather ironic that the legislation, the statutory language, does not even state there should be any civil liability or sanctions against the individual who steals the gun in the first place and then misuses it against the third party, but against the poor innocent victim who had the gun stolen out of his home.
01:36:58.000Yeah, forget about personal responsibility.
01:37:00.000And Ron, this piece of legislation reminds me of holding bartenders responsible for serving drinks when a drunk driver goes out and kills somebody with his automobile.
01:37:28.000You've got to say there's something You know, they've got to screw loose, Ron. - Erskine, not only that, consider this.
01:37:35.000Because it's very specific statutory language.
01:37:38.000You can have a fellow who has his gun secured inside of a bank vault, but doesn't have a trigger lock, and if someone steals it, he's liable.
01:37:46.000And if another fellow has nothing more than a $10 trigger lock on his gun, he's not liable.
01:37:51.000And since when in any situation do we hold an innocent victim of a crime liable because the criminal misused the property he stole from the victim?
01:38:00.000Well, but here we have a conundrum because with all these school shootings, generally what's reported in the mainstream news is that you got that gun from Daddy.
01:38:08.000Daddy didn't have a trigger lock on it.
01:38:10.000It wasn't locked in a safe buried 20 feet underground.
01:38:13.000So, therefore, daddy is responsible for his little boy going out and killing his classmate.
01:38:19.000Well, if I recall, Jack, a good number of those shootings, and correct me if I'm wrong, the guns were secured.
01:38:25.000It's just that 16-year-olds are pretty clever, and they were able to get many of the security devices off the guns and still misuse them.
01:38:31.000Well, these 16-year-olds and younger can get these tops off of these jars that they put on at the drugstore, these child-proof jars.
01:38:40.000They can certainly get a trigger lock.
01:38:49.000I said you gotta get a kid who can open it because I can't do that one.
01:38:52.000But the fact of the matter is they are able to get the trigger locks off if they want to do it.
01:38:58.000But the point that Ron's making is to hold the victim responsible twice.
01:39:04.000Not only is he victimized by being stolen, and then he's held as another person who is responsible for what the person does, who steals it from him, is absolute lunacy.
01:39:16.000Just get rid of your guns and you won't have this problem anymore.
01:39:18.000This is the conundrum that it creates.
01:39:20.000This is the chilling effect it creates.
01:39:22.000Trigger locks are inconsistent with having a gun to defend yourself because you can't take a trigger lock off fast enough to defend yourself when someone breaks into your house at three o'clock in the morning.
01:39:32.000So what it does is it creates this conundrum and it sets up this rubric.
01:39:37.000Well, I'm afraid I'll get sued if I don't have it, so I'll have it on.
01:39:42.000I'm now devoid of the excuse of saying, I need the gun to defend myself because I have a trigger lock on it.
01:39:48.000Thus, it's not a practical implement for self-defense.
01:39:51.000Thus, the whole self-defense argument collapses.
01:39:54.000The only thing you can figure is that the people behind this law must be Hilrich and Bransby, because the only thing that you can do now is maybe a baseball bat, as opposed to a gun because it's rendering a gun totally useless.
01:40:07.000You're looking at this, you're saying, if I don't have a trigger lock on it, I could be arrested.
01:40:11.000If I do have a trigger lock on it, I can't use it.
01:40:21.000Basically speaking, the whole purpose of this legislation was to stop that type of thing.
01:40:26.000And what this does is this one amendment to that act leaves this open to interpretation by the courts, the same courts, whatever you'd like to call them, liberal, activists, whatever.
01:40:40.000The same courts that brought us to the point where we needed legislation to remedy the situation.
01:40:44.000And what we are doing is essentially leaving with this amendment a loophole, a back door, to where the same litigious forces were.
01:40:54.000We'll come back and undermine probably 98 or 99 percent of the intent of this law by going back to the courts.
01:41:04.000Because remember, what Congress does not specifically address, what the legislative branch does not specifically address, Is left to be defined by the judicial branch.
01:41:14.000and in this case the judicial branch at least from our point of view at the very bad track record on this matter first off the right about that one back to play isn't that the hegelian dialect you create the problem then you create the solution that you want And within the solution, you're creating the problem over again.
01:41:33.000And in five years, we will be back to square one on at least 98 or 99 percent of the same issues that we were concerned about that drove at least conscientious persons to seek the passage of this law.
01:41:44.000Well, it's the same type of law where they wanted to hold the gun manufacturers responsible for what was done with the product.
01:41:54.000More cars are stolen in this country and used in crimes, whether to commit the crime or run down people in a chase after the crime, than guns, yet there's no liability if you do not have an alarm on your car, or a wheel lock on your car, or an ignition lock on your car.
01:42:10.000So, in that situation, this isn't even a question, yet in a situation of firearms ownership, which is at least No matter what, to some degree, shielded by the Second Amendment.
01:42:19.000I don't care how anti-gun you are, the Second Amendment exists.
01:43:09.000Jack, before I forget, will you and Ron, I know you're listening, Ron, will you call back in, leave your contact information for Jack Blood so that I can get a hold of you in the future?
01:43:39.000But earlier you guys were talking about MI5, MI6 using agents.
01:43:46.000It's come out that they've used them in Libya to try to attack Qaddafi.
01:43:49.000Well, the book that came out, I believe in 2001, Forbidden Truth, it documents all of bin Laden's dialysis at the Dubai Hospital.
01:44:03.000It goes into how they had hired all these 2,000 Al-Qaeda agents in Libya to try to assassinate.
01:44:10.000In 1999-2000, and even in Soldier Fortune magazine, you could read articles almost on a monthly basis about us working with the Al-Qaeda operatives in Kosovo and Macedonia, all in that region there.
01:44:28.000Well look, I mean, Brit Hume and some of the anchors at Fox will be the first to tell you that we never worked with Al-Qaeda ever, and never funded them, never trained them, and that's some big, I hate to use this term again, conspiracy theory.
01:44:40.000Well now, on their own network, it appears that they were wrong.
01:44:43.000Again, I mean, this is the thing, Kevin.
01:44:45.000You've been listening to these shows for a long time.
01:44:47.000You've been doing your homework for many, many years now.
01:44:49.000We've been talking about this for 4, 5, 6 years, some of us for 10, 20 years, and you know what?
01:44:57.000The mainstream media is just now reporting it and just now getting it.
01:45:00.000I mean, that's why you want to listen to the Alex Jones Show first.
01:45:04.000You're going to wonder what they're up to when they start to reveal it, but I want to hit a couple news items for you guys real quick.
01:45:13.000And quoting Bush, this post is, I won't try to do my Bush impression, but this post is too important to leave vacant any longer, especially during a war and a vital debate about U.N.
01:46:30.000Well, I mean, we should be pretty alarmed at this.
01:46:32.000First of all, John Bolton is a member of the Project for a New American Century.
01:46:35.000He's a member of JINSA, which is the Jewish lobbying group, which Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld and just about everybody from Project for a New American Century belongs to.
01:46:44.000He is a globalist of the first order, and if you think he's going in to reform the United Nations, you've got another thing coming.
01:46:52.000He's going in because they're lobbying and getting this war ready for Iran, and they need their controller there to make sure that they push everything through the UN Security Council.
01:47:02.000But to override the Senator skin, and to use his post as a war president, And that's the constitutional authorities talking about, by the way, is that he's a war president and he can do whatever he wants, is not only startling and just shameful, but is something, again, that we need to call attention to the mainstream media about.
01:47:21.000I mean, I'm not going to see anybody talking about this, I'm really not, unless I'm listening to disinformation now, or better known as democracy now, Erskine.
01:47:29.000I'm not going to see any outrage, unless I'm listening to Air America, which by the way was the name of the CIA drug smuggling operation years ago, now the name of a new radio network, go figure.
01:47:40.000Unless I'm listening to those installations, I'm not going to hear any outrage of this, and it is outrageous.
01:47:46.000Well, let's put the bottom line, not only is Mr. Bolton involved in all those organizations that you're talking about, but even his employees, former employees came forward to say he was just a sexist, nasty man!
01:48:00.000chose the Roosevelt Room in order to make this announcement.
01:48:04.000I don't know if we can read anything into that, but as we were discussing earlier, these guys like to put their calling cards on things, and they love the little marrying of these circumstances, and I'm sure that that certainly had some significance as well, but look, man, he couldn't get past the Senate, then he doesn't get in.
01:48:23.000And, you know, getting rid of the United Nations or reforming the United Nations, these are certainly good debates, but when I hear guys like Bush or Bolton talk about reforming the United Nations, when I hear guys like former ambassador to Israel from the United Nations, Dory Gold, talking about it, all I really see is getting rid of Kofi Annan and putting in good old William Jefferson Clinton.
01:48:45.000Now, one of the things that we need to talk about is we need to talk about CAFTA.
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01:53:16.000One of the things that I was talking about is what's going on with China and how they are going to substitute for the U.S.
01:53:22.000dollar other currencies and how this is going to have a tremendous inflationary impact on the United States.
01:53:28.000Here's one thing that I found extraordinarily interesting.
01:53:33.000Walmart, the nation's largest retailer, largest employer in the U.S., private employer, imports 83%, 83% of everything it sells from China.
01:53:45.000If you go to Walmart, spend $50 a week, It's going up by 30 cents a week because of the currency differential.
01:53:52.000You're not really going to notice it, but over a year, you're paying 12 to 14 percent more.
01:53:57.000We're going to be looking at inflation.
01:53:59.000If you're not buying gold, you're in trouble.
01:54:02.000Russia has been looking to effectively take all the U.S.
01:54:35.000We're turning away, trying to go into a different situation here and organize a United States of the Americas, which will give up our sovereignty.
01:54:44.000You're going to see more jobs going south.
01:54:47.000We're going to be left with, what, a nation of shopkeepers or empty, no employment at all the way it's going, with the jobs being outsourced and with all the illegals coming across.
01:55:00.000All of the plants used to be you or your family or people working at the plant.
01:55:39.000So again, this particular gun bill, which demands you keep your gun locks on and you pay the price if someone breaks into your house and steals your gun without a gun lock, whether it was on there or not, I guess it will be... Who will be the witness?
01:56:11.000And find out more about S-397 and how you can stop that.
01:56:15.000If you're a gun owner, you enjoy your Second Amendment rights, you want to keep those, You better be like Ron in New York, reading all these bills, getting on top of this, and stopping these little embedded lines of legislation throughout all of the bills we have now.
01:56:29.000We've still got a chance to defeat this in Congress.
01:56:31.000Let me give one other website, JPFO, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, JPFO.com.
01:56:39.000Is another great, Aaron Zellman, another great website on that.
01:56:43.000Do we have time to set up CAFTA for the second hour here?
01:56:48.000According to many sources, CAFTA really may have lost.
01:56:52.000In fact, it did lose in the first vote just last week.
01:56:56.000According to many now checking it out, we found that
01:57:00.000only uh... well in the house by only two votes really uh... that it may have lost because in going through the roll call of all the names of the vote for and against and checking those against the list of total membership it was discovered there were two names missing these two names are Charles Taylor and uh... well we'll come back with the second name here as well both of them voted against CAFTA both of them magically lost their votes and disappeared second hour coming up that would be the third hour
01:58:08.000Sitting in for Alex, as if anybody could really sit in, is Erskine of Erskine Overnight, which is aired Saturday nights at 9 o'clock Pacific, midnight Eastern.
01:58:21.000This weekend we're going to have Al Martin, and then we're going to be having Paul Joseph Watson, so it's going to be a terrific show this weekend.
01:58:29.000And also Jack Blood of Deadline Live, where he's going to be interviewing... Who's that going to be today?
01:58:36.000Yes, I have best-selling author Ed Klein, who's written the new anti-Hillary Clinton book.
01:58:42.000This is getting out ahead of the election cycle, so we're trying to take away votes from Hillary Clinton.
01:58:47.000I'll, of course, try his evidence on my program today.
01:58:50.000We'll see if he talks about the Rose Law Firm, Nina Arkansas, Vince Foster, Or many of the other really damning evidence on Hillary Clinton.
01:58:58.000I have a feeling that he probably won't, and I might get neo-conned a little bit, but I'll try not to let that happen, Erskine.
01:59:05.000Sounds like an intriguing hour coming up, and you were talking about CAFTA.
01:59:09.000A couple of issues on CAFTA right as we were going to break through.
01:59:14.000Now that first vote, as I'll tell you in a minute here, actually ended with With CAFTA being defeated, but that was Charles Taylor from North Carolina and also representative Joanne Davis from New Hampshire, mysteriously their votes went missing.
01:59:31.000Now here's the original story, and this I think proves that we have a case for a new vote.
01:59:37.000Now there are some technicalities here, in other words, In order for there to be another vote, now we voted twice on CAFTA that night, in the middle of the night, but in order for someone to have stopped this debacle from happening, we needed somebody in Congress to raise up their voice and be heard.
01:59:53.000Because I have no doubt, again we got a call into Ron Paul's office right now, I have no doubt that some of the congressmen stood up and said, hey, you can't keep re-voting this thing until it goes through, that's not how it works!
02:00:04.000So somebody had to not only stand up, but be recognized.
02:00:08.000And I think that's where our technicality is.
02:00:10.000But again, giving us a case for a recall of CAFTA, a recall and possibly a new vote.
02:00:16.000But when the official 15 minute period ended, CAFTA had gone down and defeat 180 nays to 175 yays.
02:00:25.000But the House leadership was so politically driven to get what they wanted, they broke the House rules.
02:00:29.000They simply violated the time limit in order to keep twisting arms and making deals until they had finally bought or coerced, using extortion, bribery, whatever means necessary, to have enough votes to pass CAFTA nearly an hour later.
02:00:47.000arms until they break into a thousand pieces.
02:00:50.000That was a statement by Representative Jim Kolb, a Republican in Arizona, describes the Republican leadership's rabid determination to get the U.S. House to pass the Central American Free Trade Agreement no matter what.
02:01:04.000I say demand a new vote and prosecute these traitors who fixed the latest vote.
02:01:48.000I mean, it's not over until the fat lady sings, they say, Erskine.
02:01:51.000Obviously here, once a vote goes to the floor, unless a filibuster is preceding the vote, it can't go on and on and on forever until the favored vote is reached.
02:02:01.000We need to get these two representatives whose votes weren't counted.
02:02:07.000We certainly need to get them to stand up and be on like a Lou Dobbs program.
02:02:12.000We also need to have... Let's get to the mainstream media, guys like Lou Dobbs who sympathize with us, who are very anti-CAFTA.
02:02:26.000And the other thing is there was another person who was prevented from appearing on the House floor who wanted to vote and they stopped her.
02:02:33.000More, more when we get back in your calls right here on the Alex Jones Radio Program.
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02:07:00.000We've let the big boys control us, we've let everything go, and we keep Ben informed, and it's when Mr. Clinton says, oh jeez, I didn't do Malarski, and yet Tripp called it in, and she gave the tape, Malarski told the truth, and gave the dress, and then they spend $300 million, and we're all standing back here going, huh?
02:07:20.000If they want to take our guns away, that's fine, because I think stoning them to death will be more fun.
02:07:24.000And their pain will be more... And when they come to recognize that we're responsible, you're responsible for vehicular manslaughter, no matter if you're talking economics, if you're talking poisoning our skies with AIDS that's a man-made virus, along with that microplasma that's a man-made virus, and giving us Alzheimer's and diabetes, and the numbers all show, we're responsible for ourselves and no one's doing action other than you guys talking some.
02:07:51.000I've been to court where they've changed minutes of court.
02:07:52.000They've done everything and changed the rules all against me.
02:07:55.000And when I get something done, it's like, they're talking, well, if a cop stops you today, do you have the right to tell him no?
02:08:01.000Or, you know, is he got the right to search you?
02:08:03.000Bottom line is, I've pointed out enough to where I've done my homework now.
02:08:06.000When a cop stops me, I've actually taken my plates off the car.
02:08:09.000And I said, I put a cardboard plate on it.
02:08:11.000It says, no, no, no money, no plates, no insurance.
02:08:14.000And when everybody else starts taking that stance, And they realize that when they walk up to the car, we could give a damn if we own a gun or not.
02:08:20.000We're going to hurt them if they think they're going to do something to us that's out of the reigns of God's right.
02:08:25.000And that's where it has to start coming from, and it has to, in this facade of believing, oh, and this and that, and all this.
02:08:33.000You know, in the Bible it says, as everybody can hear the truth and assimilate it, I appreciate that you're taking a stand and I know others like Rick Stanley are certainly out there taking a stand.
02:08:48.000We can go on and on with the list there.
02:08:50.000I got a story here of a whistleblower from 76 where they were trying to blow up and topple the Twin Towers.
02:08:57.000You know, certainly there are a lot of whistleblowers out there that have stood up against all odds and really taken a full-on assault by the establishment for telling the truth, and I think that's very important.
02:09:07.000I'd just like to point out that rather than fighting the system on every inch of the road, man, I just don't participate.
02:09:14.000Well, one thing that I was always taught is that dragons don't always lose.
02:09:20.000In other words, white knights sometimes lose.
02:10:08.000I had somebody late last week at the China Mart.
02:10:14.000Basically, you know, kind of talk to me.
02:10:17.000They tried to lure me into this idea that talking about all this stuff is a waste of time.
02:10:25.000Now, Mike, was that the greeter at the door?
02:10:29.000No, no, this was an older fellow who's been around the block a little bit, but he's basically, I think he didn't think I knew who he was or he didn't think I kind of acted like he didn't know who I was, I think.
02:10:41.000But he said, basically, we're all nothing.
02:10:45.000This is going to happen whether we want it to or not.
02:10:50.000That is such a self-defeatist attitude.
02:10:52.000It's a cop-out that people waste so much time on sports trivia or soap operas or so-called reality TV.
02:10:59.000I don't see how this could be considered a waste of time because you're learning about You learn about the current events and things like that.
02:11:08.000When I was in school, I was not that interested in memorizing what battle took place when and what date.
02:11:17.000But I do think that it is a bit of a self-policing.
02:11:24.000The alternative media is a bit of a self-policing thing.
02:11:26.000In other words, there was a survey that said the government should control the media.
02:11:33.000I think that any time people get out of line, it seems like at all in the alternative media, there is always somebody right there ready to jump and pounce and criticize.
02:11:55.000Yeah, and there's no need You know, there really is no need to exaggerate, because the minute you do, somebody jumps on and says, look, this guy wasn't actually a cabinet member, look, Bechtel doesn't actually run the subway, they're in charge of the retrofit, or whatever.
02:12:09.000There's always somebody ready to jump and point stuff out.
02:12:12.000I'd like to see where those people are on the mainstream media.
02:12:16.000Yeah, they do probably criticize the mainstream media, but they spend too much time criticizing the alternative media, I think.
02:12:26.000I don't know how, one thing I'd like to point out to you guys from memory and see if you agree or remember this, but how is the CAFTA vote anything more than window dressing?
02:12:37.000Because did not the Supreme Court rule back during the controversy over NAFTA that the President has the power to make these trade agreements outside of the treaty process and it doesn't matter, essentially circumvents the whole Congress treaty making process because the President and his pseudo cabinet member, the trade representative, can make these agreements.
02:12:58.000You're right, and that's why it's very important that when they're talking about CAFTA now, they point out that it's for national security.
02:13:08.000Because, you know, resolutions, a lot of times they'll call it a bill, but it'll say, you know, you'll look on C-SPAN or whatever, and it'll say HR-10.
02:13:17.000Well, HR means resolution, and a resolution only applies to federal government employees.
02:13:25.000It's not actually technically a law, because Congress will write that and it says, be it resolved, not be it enacted.
02:13:33.000Being enacted means that it's a law, and then further, They have to go on and enact that into positive law before it is a law.
02:14:05.000But, I mean, when do we participate in the illusion?
02:14:08.000And when do we define and expose the illusion?
02:14:11.000And as long as they're using it, I think that we have a right to get in there in the window and undress it.
02:14:18.000This thing that they've done, this smoke and mirrors thing, as long as they're still trying to tell us that it means something when Congress votes for this stuff.
02:14:29.000We still have a chance, I think, but when they stop caring, which it seems like they just about don't care, 90% of us can be against something like this and they still make deals and get them to pass.
02:15:19.000And just one extreme example They will sell something that costs $0.19 that you can buy from a catalog all day long for $0.19 unless you want to buy it in mass quantities and you can get it for less than that.
02:15:34.000Well, they'll put two of them in a little package and sell it for $2.99.
02:15:38.000Now, how is that person in China that makes those things for, you know, less than a penny probably and they get it marked up through the wholesaler?
02:15:48.000We're getting, we're charged, you know, we're paying something.
02:15:55.000So, not all... And they always tell us how they're struggling and how they're just barely making it and they're one step away from bankruptcy.
02:16:03.000And as you say, the profit margins are through the roof.
02:16:56.000We can't even account... They say that there's over $3 trillion now not properly accounted for at the Pentagon, and they want to grapple that China spending $38 billion on their military.
02:17:06.000I mean, that's just a drop in the bucket.
02:17:07.000It's not even 10% of what we can't properly account for.
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02:22:29.000Jack, it's a pleasure working with you.
02:24:25.000Hey, speaking of credit cards, I just want to mention something that I don't know if you're aware of recent Canadian development as far as that sort of thing, but up here at ESSO, the gas stations, they're implementing a new program where they have, you know, if you forget your credit card at home, you can take it and Yeah, they've got it at the mobile stations.
02:25:07.000Now, one of the things which has happened that I didn't know if you were aware of, Ryan, Prime Minister Martin, Mr. Bush and Mr. Fox have all signed away virtually all the rights between the countries.
02:25:45.000And let me go back to what the caller was saying because these wands, I mean if you notice the progression of how we pay for our goods and services these days are getting closer and closer to the subdermal microchip And again, I mean, I don't think I'm talking out of turn here.
02:26:00.000Maybe five years ago, that would have seemed fantastic.
02:26:03.000But again, the conditioning to use the credit card, to go through the automated check stands, to do the thumb prints or the iris scans, or to get the little wand for SO Gas, or down here, every major gas station.
02:26:16.000is simply conditioning us, Erskine, to get the most secure new device out there, the hottest new device on the market, that is the VeraChip.
02:26:25.000Don't worry, there is a chipmobile coming into your neighborhood right now, just like the popsicle man selling ice cream bars to your children.
02:26:32.000Well, they're requiring fingerprints to get into Disneyland now, get real.
02:26:36.000Okay, Ryan, you've got a question or comment?
02:26:39.000Yeah, I don't know if Alex brought up the numerology of last month, but it was pretty crazy as far as the London Terror.
02:26:47.000I know you touched upon all the July 11th stuff, but did you guys check your calendars?
02:26:54.000Because if you go down the straight line from July 7th, it goes July 7th, 14th, 21st, and then the 28th.
02:27:03.000And they're all on the fourth day of the week, and it's a Thursday.
02:27:08.000Which is also a way to exploit the news cycle to the best of your ability, as well as the stock markets, because there's a killing to be made when any of these terrorist events happen in the stock market if you act quickly.
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02:32:31.000Operators are standing by, Erskine, and I hope the people make us look good, because if people don't buy videos while we're on the air, they're going to blame it on us.
02:32:39.000Well, they also can go to Infowars.com and they can get not only the video, Martial Law 9-11, Rise of the Police State, but others that Alex has available.
02:32:50.000And by going to the website, you've got lots and lots of information that's always up there, always updated up there.
02:32:57.000And Alex is putting... Get these while you can because they aren't going to be available forever.
02:33:02.000Alex is putting himself in great danger.
02:33:07.000Prior to the installation of Patriot 2, it was necessary for a U.S.
02:33:11.000citizen to have been charged with a crime in order for the Secret Service to invade and confiscate.
02:33:17.000Now, under the new Patriot 2, if you're a citizen in violation of the Patriot Act, now listen to this, by publicly criticizing the regime, by taking out newspaper ads or maintaining a so-called political content website,
02:33:34.000or if you're a citizen actively involved in criticizing the regime or more important under Statute 432 of the National Security Act attempting to reveal any criminal conduct being committed by the regime agents are not limited to those assets citizens may have in offshore safe deposit boxes or balances in offshore bank accounts any assets at all land, business, boats, aircraft can now be seized without a citizen
02:34:04.000Actually, having been charged or indicted for an asset collection, 21 countries have signed on.
02:35:14.00029 years ago, a plan from 29 years ago, And what's happening to him?
02:35:20.000Well, you know, I forget exactly when the towers were constructed.
02:35:24.000It must have been just right before that.
02:35:26.000So they had to have been brand new shining towers, and they were already thinking about blowing them up.
02:35:31.000I mean, again, this really kind of goes to the issue of those towers were meant to be blown up and meant to be targets.
02:35:37.000They were built to be targets, and that's probably why they were built on Rockefeller land.
02:35:42.000Timothy McViv... sorry, Timothy McNiven says he's been harassed by the FBI and now had a DOD card taken without a warrant ever since trying to alert the American people about the government's prior knowledge of 9-11.
02:36:15.000They went in, of course, without a warrant, as you say, thanks to the Patriot Act.
02:36:19.000And they confiscated a lot of material from Timothy McNiven.
02:36:21.000They're trying to make him out to be a terrorist.
02:36:24.000He lives in Bellingham, Washington now.
02:36:25.000But, you know, it reminds me, Erskine, when we've got Condoleezza Rice Out saying, we had no idea that they would target the World Trade Center towers.
02:36:41.000And again, if you go back to Paul Joseph Watson's book, Order Out of Chaos, you'll see we had ample evidence.
02:36:47.000Pages and pages and pages of documented mainstream news stories to say just that.
02:36:52.000But now here's Timothy McNiven, again this will go in-depth on the story on Tuesday when we have Greg Zeminski on, but it's just amazing that the 93 plot, an FBI sting, the 76 plot to study doing what?
02:37:06.000Toppling the towers using jetliners, Arab terrorists, and box cutters!
02:37:12.000I'm just amazed this guy's still walking around, Erskine.
02:37:15.000Total information was also sent to the Attorney General and others, including those in Congress, by A man named Rakan Asuto, who broke the story about the PROMIS software, and this is a man who had close contact with Kim Osman, otherwise known as Osama Bin Laden, when they were selling Stinger missiles to him.
02:37:35.000This was in March that he sent that information out.
02:37:38.000The government knew, and if they didn't know, they knew first off that there was going to be an event occurring Whether they planned it or whether they acquiesced, the knowledge was there.
02:37:52.000None of these people who were given the knowledge have been fired.
02:39:55.000But what I don't understand, Tim, you can't argue with the facts.
02:39:59.000The globalists are telling us what they're doing, Tim!
02:40:04.000I know, you know, you're so true with that.
02:40:05.000I'm just beginning to absorb the Building a North American community white paper from the Council on Foreign Relations written in coexistence with the Canadian globalists and I guess the Mexicans.
02:40:18.000You played that clip on this program on Friday and I have it on my forum.
02:40:22.000But let me ask you Tim, what is the response of people who maybe don't know anything about this, they look at one of these Alex Jones films and what do they say when they get back to you?
02:41:19.000Let me make one comment before you say that.
02:41:21.000One of the things that you were talking about was the Council on Foreign Relations.
02:41:24.000Who's on the Council on Foreign Relations?
02:41:26.000Most of the members of the media, of the major media, are on the Council on Foreign Relations.
02:41:31.000Barry Goldwater, in his book with no apologies, says, The Council on Foreign Relations is the American branch of a society organized in England.
02:41:40.000That believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one world rule established.
02:41:46.000National boundaries should be obliterated and one world rule established.
02:41:50.000That is telling us they want to do away with our sovereignty.
02:41:55.000That's exactly what the goal of the Council on Foreign Relations is.
02:41:58.000So when you're watching Peter Jennings, Dan rather, most of these boys who are on the Council on Foreign Relations, These are people whose set agenda is to do away with American sovereignty!
02:42:33.000Lay the groundwork for a freer flow of people within the North American community, and they top that off with law enforcement and military cooperation, including NATO troops.
02:42:44.000Now, if that doesn't sound... Okay, let's look at the positive.
02:43:19.000Goodbye unions, goodbye sovereignty, goodbye wages, goodbye the type of life that we wanted to leave for our children.
02:43:27.000That's why when the Washington Times reports that Mexican mercenaries are expanding their bases in the United States, offering $50,000 bounties for the assassination of U.S.
02:43:36.000law enforcement officers, nobody does a thing about it!
02:43:53.000As we talked about earlier, window dressing, the dog and pony show, the illusion, Erskine, of this sovereignty that we still are clinging to.
02:44:03.000Maybe we just have the idea of it left at this point.
02:44:06.000But when I see stories out of the Washington Times, which is a conservative newspaper by all intents and purposes, Mexican mercenaries expand a base in the United States offering $50,000 bounties, assassination of U.S.
02:44:18.000law enforcement officers, and our President, and our Congress, and our Senate, and our Judiciary do nothing about it.
02:44:25.000I can only assume that they just don't care.
02:44:27.000Now, Tim, you were, and I was assumed, much like myself.
02:44:42.000And just regressing just a little bit to the Congress, Jack, what you were saying, just about every single new senator, new Congress critter that shows up there, They have like a little welcome aboard party for them where they either slip them a Mickey or get them drunk and they get some pictures of them in bed with little children or girls.
02:45:00.000And then they show them the pictures the next day and they say, You ever vote against us, this is going to be made public.
02:45:28.000Now what you've got and the entire activities, they are satanic based.
02:45:35.000And blackmail is their motive for these new people.
02:45:38.000Well that's certainly one way to keep everybody in line and that's why I'm doing an interview about Hillary Clinton in my show coming up here in about 15-20 minutes and why I won't hear any real information about why we shouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton because it implicates the Republicans as well.
02:45:55.000So when you're taking all of that time to write and contact these people you're actually wasting it because They don't even listen to it.
02:46:02.000That gets read by an eater, and it gets chucked in the garbage.
02:46:04.000They do in the state, and they do in your city council, okay?
02:46:07.000I mean, they can't help but not listen to it.
02:46:09.000You put the fear of God in them when you start hammering them.
02:46:13.000Now, we can debate about whether it's workable in the federal aspect of things, but certainly it still works in the state, and enough people call, and you will change the reality in which you live.
02:46:26.000It's really good to keep waking people up.
02:46:28.000I must say, Infowars got out of my mouth to different people a hundred times a day.
02:46:36.000I mean, if we can just get out and tell five people today about this program, the Alex Jones Show, and feel free to tell them about Erskine or Jack Blood as well, jackblood.com, but if you can get out and tell five people today and swear them to tell five people, I mean, we will be that proverbial snowball rolling downhill.
02:46:54.000I have LearnTheTruthInfoWars.com on the back of my car, and I wish you... Good man!
02:46:59.000Thank you for the wonderful call, Tim, and God bless you there and the work that you're doing there in Ohio to spread the word about InfoWars.com.
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02:53:44.000And on my program this weekend, I'm having Paul Joseph Watson the second hour, and he is going to be talking about what's going on.
02:53:51.000That gentleman has certainly written a great book, and he is certainly an interesting guest to have on.
02:53:57.000You have the person who's written a book on Hillary Clinton coming up on your program this afternoon.
02:54:03.000Ed Klein, yeah, and I gotta tell ya, I really sympathize with these political action committees that are trying to expose Hillary Clinton.
02:54:10.000So it will be in one half a sympathetic interview, on another side of this, you know, I'm gonna have to take them to task.
02:54:16.000Because I know that he's not going to report what happened in the Rose Law Firm, what Larry Nichols said, that he saw a huge cover-up to smuggle drugs through Mena, Arkansas, with the Bush crime family and the Clinton crime family, the Rockefeller crime family.
02:54:31.000And he's not going to be mentioning that, because as we mentioned earlier, you know, It implicates the wrong side of the aisle, so they're targeting one side of the aisle.
02:54:40.000We'll hear a lot of the minutia that is involved with Hillary Clinton, but I still have to sympathize with them because she is the devil.
02:54:48.000Now, I had a gentleman on named Ken Bucci, and Ken was talking about the CIA mafia drug connection.
02:54:55.000I said, then, Ken, you're telling me that they were allowing them to fly drugs into MENA, Arkansas, that our government said, sure, fly them on in?