Alex Jones takes your calls live from Austin, Texas on August 19th, 2005. Big Brother is spying on us everywhere, and we don t even realize it. Alex explains how the government is tracking us, and why we should be worried.
00:00:13.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:25.000Alright, we'll be going to your calls early in this first hour.
00:00:29.000It is Friday, already the 19th day of August 2005.
00:00:35.000We're going to be live here for the next three hours.
00:00:39.000We've had him on several times in the last few months just because he's a great political mind and has done so much to expose the New World Order's orchestration of September 11th.
00:00:50.000Professor David Ray Griffin will be on with us in the second hour for the full hour.
00:00:55.000Then in the third hour, we haven't had her on probably about a year, Katherine Albrecht of Caspian, of course a doctorate there from Harvard, Exposing the RFID tracker chips, and she's been following, and thank God somebody's paying attention to, Tommy Thompson, the former Health and Human Services Secretary and former Republican Governor from Wisconsin, the cheese eater, the cheese head,
00:01:23.000Who is running around telling people, get microchips.
00:01:28.000Going to schools, going on TV, get the chip, it's normal!
00:02:13.000I mean, look folks, the bizarreness is here.
00:02:18.000I use this example all the time, but it's like a twenty, you know, twenty years ago, ten years ago, some late night science fiction B-movie, you know.
00:02:26.000In the nightmare future, the government controls everything.
00:03:14.000And you'll see a lot of people, the government will say, look, you can still have your Lexuses, you can still have your million dollar houses, and your Bimbos, and all of it, you just gotta take the chip.
00:03:25.000If we say you gotta take these pills, because you're a little upset, and don't say you're not mentally ill, or that shows you're mentally ill, that is one of the new mental illnesses they've come out with.
00:03:36.000If you say you're not ill, you're ill.
00:03:54.000You know, it's kind of like the enemy's invaded the village and they're kind of rounding us up right now and people are going, should we fight back?
00:05:01.000Hey folks, Alex Jones here, announcing the release of my most comprehensive documentary exposing the New World Order's orchestration of the September 11th attacks yet.
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00:08:32.000Now again, we told you, the former death squads have been moved to Iraq and to the Texas areas of the United States, other areas of the Southwest.
00:08:44.000I don't care how crazy it sounds, this is the intelligence, this is the mainstream news articles in our state.
00:08:51.000And no one outside the states, maybe Nevada, Texas, Arizona, is even aware of this.
00:08:58.000There is a total national news blackout.
00:09:02.000Bazooka attacks, rocket attacks, 600 plus dead this year on both sides, car bombs, total bedlam, dead police everywhere.
00:09:14.000I mean, when they kill a cop, it's just, okay, another cop died.
00:09:17.000But boy, I tell you, if just a general citizen kills a cop, it's endless crying and weeping and freaking out and, you know, thousands of police taking off work and going to giant funerals.
00:09:30.000But when a cop gets killed by a CIA-controlled Latin American hit gang, it doesn't get word one.
00:09:41.000I mean, I could not stress how serious this is.
00:09:45.000Schwarzenegger urged to declare border emergency on the heels of the Governor of Arizona and the Governor of New Mexico, Napolitano and Richardson, respectively.
00:09:56.000Rick Perry has been challenged, our little Our little pixie governor.
00:10:01.000He has been challenged to declare an emergency.
00:10:15.000Why, just a couple years ago, I bullhorned Vicente Fox when he came up to Tejas.
00:10:21.000Now, they had to shut down their press conference.
00:10:22.000He was giving Perry Awards, Wells Fargo Awards, and the APD, Austin Police Department, for not following federal law and legalizing illegals by fiat.
00:10:34.000They even give public awards for these lawbreakers!
00:10:51.000It is a tragic event, but, you know, 55 people die every week and anyone on the roads, and they just fear-monger it until you're all shaking in your boots, you know, ready to open your veins up, if it'll keep you safe from the New World Order.
00:11:03.000Meanwhile, again, we have an actual... It's like the two wars we've had with Mexico, basically, but our own government's orchestrating it, using these troops against their competitors in the narcotics trade.
00:11:14.000I mean, there's an actual war going on, like Sierra Leone, or...
00:11:19.000You know, something along those lines the last few years, or the Civil War going on in Macedonia.
00:11:25.000I mean, it's that big, folks, but not a word.
00:11:29.000Congresswoman push for women in combat.
00:11:33.000And as usual, the Democrats, along with Bush, want to put women in front-line combat.
00:11:43.000But it's part of their hunger to draft women as well as men when that starts, and they package it in liberal packaging.
00:11:51.000You know, all these TV shows about the future, you know, always women are the most powerful leaders and the best fighter pilots and the best commandos beating up men.
00:12:02.000Even if that was true, why should we, which it isn't of course, why should we militarize women?
00:12:07.000Why should we turn them into, you know, patriarchal Individuals.
00:12:24.000But that's why Bush tried to take Private Lynch, who actually cowered in fear, who was a Hispanic American who actually valiantly fought against overwhelming odds, and was killed and stabbed to death by the, shot a bunch and finally stabbed to death by the Iraqis.
00:12:39.000And they just stripped him of his honors.
00:12:41.000Not that, in the aggregate, there really are honors, but he did defend his friends, which is honorable.
00:12:47.000And they just stripped him of it and gave it to her.
00:12:49.000And then she said, it's all lies, I coward and fear on both occasions.
00:12:52.000But again, they want that poster child.
00:13:51.000Oh, women, you'll have the wonderful right of being conscripted and shipped off.
00:13:58.000You know, you go to trendy restaurants, you go to trendy barbershops, and they've got these same-sex restrooms.
00:14:06.000Again, it's all part of social engineering.
00:14:09.000I don't want to go to the bathroom next to a woman.
00:14:14.000I mean, I'm what you call someone of a macho person, but I still don't enjoy, you know, in some of these primitive areas out in the middle of nowhere, these national parks, where you're sitting on the commode without a barrier right next to, you know, another man.
00:14:29.000Well, folks, they got them in the military now where you're, I hate to get graphic here, where you're right next to a woman!
00:14:36.000I mean, there's something called privacy, folks.
00:14:39.000But again, they want to drum out of this our normal family structures.
00:14:44.000Because, look, do you think predators like it when a group of rhinoceros, rhinoceri, circle themselves around their calves?
00:14:55.000Do you think they like it when elephants circle around their babies?
00:14:59.000Do you think predators like it when wildebeests circle, or when buffaloes circle, or when... Do you think wolves like it when the cows circle around their young?
00:15:10.000They're just engineering it where we don't circle.
00:15:15.000That's why they're celebrating the fact that the two-parent family is basically a huge minority now in America.
00:15:23.000And if they admit that single parent homes are five times more likely to engage in crime or end up in prison, I'm not saying there aren't a lot of single parents who are heroes, who are wonderful people.
00:15:35.000I'm saying statistically, the government knows that it ends up the child being a ward of the state, and that's what they're trying to push.
00:16:00.000And so now we've dominated the planet, and so we've set up a system where we feed on our own species.
00:16:05.000You have the predator class and the non-predator class.
00:16:08.000Not supposed to work like that, but most human civilization is set up along those lines.
00:16:12.000But now they literally are getting ready to, you know, feed upon us with the biotech and the rest of it.
00:16:18.000And so they're just engineering us to be more docile, like you breed a breed of dog to be more docile, or you breed a breed of bovine, of cow, to be more docile so you can slaughter it when you wish, or a breed of pig.
00:17:30.000But yourselves, just do it, unofficially.
00:17:33.000We've all got to defend each other against this.
00:17:35.000We've got to learn to rally together against the globalists.
00:17:39.000Okay, I've gotten through four articles and we're already 17 minutes in.
00:17:44.000People keep emailing me and stopping me in the hall of the TV station last night and coming up to me and saying, Alex, why aren't you talking about how it's now admitted that this poor Brazilian man Didn't run from them, they shoved him onto the bus, I mean onto the train, and shot him eight times in the head.
00:18:07.000Well, we did post the articles and I did talk about it.
00:18:09.000But we told you the first day it happened all about it.
00:18:13.000Because there were a bunch of witnesses on the train that said he didn't run, he walked onto the train, turned around as they yelled at him with fear, sat down, it seemed like he knew what was coming, they sat on him, held him down, and shot him eight times in the head, execution stop.
00:18:29.000So, we told you day one, not because we've got crystal balls.
00:18:33.000We went with the, what was it, like five eyewitnesses saw this?
00:18:37.000And then were told by police to shut up?
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00:23:59.000And also... ...and the Milwaukee Eclipse coming up concerning one of these serial killers, who was of course a former government officiel. who was of course a former government officiel.
00:24:33.000But continuing with the news, FBI investigating local Homeland Security arrest, and we'll play a clip concerning this later as well, some of the Associated Press, allegations that as many as six federal Homeland Security deportation agents assaulted and tortured a Nigerian man who was shackled at Oklahoma City's Immigration and Customs Enforcement Office are being investigated by the FBI according to published reports.
00:25:00.000Now again, the FBI Engages in many more forms of torture and corruption, in many cases, than your major police departments.
00:25:09.000But then when they catch police departments doing it, they will come in and put them, quote, on probation, and then next time they get in trouble, they basically federalize the police department.
00:26:46.000They would actually look at, you know, problem federal corrections officers, state corrections officers, private corrections officers from the different federal and state systems, and they would openly, you know, this has been in the news, take people who've got a big file and, hey, you're going places.
00:27:05.000So, you know, we whine and scream about the Iraqis getting tortured, which is bad, And you know, General Myers, the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, comes out and says, we're not torturing people, but don't release the thousands of photos and videos, because it will cause riots.
00:27:18.000And the Army's seen the photos, they've written a report on them, raping women and children, beating people to death.
00:27:25.000But it's not torture, no, just killing people.
00:27:55.000So since you've already chopped off two of your fingers because you stuck them in the garbage disposal, you're going to continue the sacrifice.
00:28:01.000You know, you dropped your wedding ring in there and turned on the garbage disposal and stuck your hand in it.
00:28:06.000Instead of turning it off, And then assessing the situation, you're going to go ahead and stick your hand in.
00:29:17.000Now he's for amnesty and now he's neutral on abortion.
00:29:22.000So just more trying to position him as a conservative.
00:29:28.000Just so much more, your calls, some audio clips coming up, two great guests, Professor David Ray Griffin and of course Catherine Albrecht about former Health and Human Services and former Governor Tommy Thompson running around saying get chipped today.
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00:34:39.000Well, the main thing, to zip it in a summary here, is that We have, the anti-war movement is really growing, and it's just mom, pa, and people and regular, they're very against this war.
00:34:50.000And a bunch of communists want to hijack it.
00:34:53.000Yeah, see that creates a movement, that creates a bunch of television cameras pointing somewhere, and then everybody wants to jump in front of that camera.
00:35:01.000And boy, these people are aggressive, I mean, they will just command you what to do, they'll try to keep the media from talking to you.
00:35:08.000Well, I'll tell you what's really going on, I hate to Put names and groups and things to it, but what is definitely happening is the left is in force and they're showing up in mass numbers there.
00:35:23.000And they'll make sure, as government agents, to blow it, make it look bad, and then the media will get what they want.
00:35:32.000I mean, you don't really know what's going on other than Cindy herself, I think, has been pretty good about keeping, you know, separate from the... Her going back to visit with her mother may be a good thing for her, maybe even the movement, but there are definite forces that are on the... See, from a libertarian perspective, I see someone that wants to economically and socially control me from the left to the right as part of the same thing.
00:35:55.000It's not any different, in my opinion.
00:35:58.000Here we have a lot of the left has come in and moved in and are part of the infrastructure behind the scenes to get the organ.
00:36:27.000I went to Waco to go to the McLellan Sheriff's Department, talk to the PR guy there to find out why he was arrested, you know, what charges, who was he, that kind of stuff.
00:36:37.000And when I came back to Camp Casey or the House of Peace there and talked to some of the bloggers, I asked them, I go, what do you guys know about it?
00:36:43.000I got the sheriff working on getting a report and all this.
00:36:46.000And they go, oh, we're not talking about that.
00:36:50.000Of course I'm going to ask, why do you guys care?
00:36:54.000And what happened was most of the people there didn't know about it.
00:36:58.000You had the mass media and television and everything reporting on this happening and a lot of the people that were there didn't know and they were asking me and some of the controllers there that were trying to, I don't know what they were trying to do, they were upset that I even brought it up.
00:37:40.000Yeah, no, there was, you know, ouch quitted, ouch quitted, for whatever reason, it was in the minds of the local sheriff to haul him in and tow his car.
00:37:49.000But the eyewitnesses to what was going on was just, he was abusive and he didn't seem like he was all balanced and there, I mean, you know... So because the guy shot his mouth off a little, they had him arrested and now they're trying to cover it up?
00:38:07.000Well, you know, you'd go out there and... I don't know, Alex, I really don't.
00:38:11.000Well, they're a little paranoid, too, because they've had people running over crosses and everything else.
00:38:16.000Well, see, the thing is, is just by what frightened me was asking the question, you know, to want to find out, to want to know, and then controlling that kind of flow.
00:38:28.000I talked to the ABC guy yesterday, a national, I can't remember his name, Jeff Moss, something.
00:38:33.000And he was, a few days ago, it was Sunday or Monday, I think it was, he was really pressing on Cindy in this big press conference, are we keeping it focused?
00:38:43.000Are you going to get back to the issue?
00:38:45.000And at first I thought he was being kind of abusive, but then I started to realize, I talked to him yesterday, and I started to realize what was going on.
00:38:52.000He was doing Cindy a favor, and I think Cindy appreciated it, because all these other issues start trying to jump on it, and it was distracting from why she was there.
00:39:01.000And it was to help her get it back on focus.
00:39:10.000And, you know, and they kind of brought it back.
00:39:13.000And while talking to him, he's like, yeah, from the beginning, there's been all these little organizations in the far left that has hijacked the Democratic Party because the Democratic Party doesn't really exist.
00:39:24.000Yeah, what they're doing is they're distracting everybody off of the central issues of the war, and then basically dancing around in communist outfits, making everybody look bad.
00:39:35.000Well, Ernest, thank you for all your reports, and folks can check out those blogs.
00:39:39.000They're at CrawfordorBus.com, and take care, my friend.
00:45:02.000I was in LA for a couple TV shows I was being interviewed by.
00:45:07.000Conspiracy Zone and Another, and I'm out there, and I remember in my hotel room, eating room service, watching him admit they're torturing people.
00:45:17.000This is back when they thought they had everybody warped.
00:45:20.000And now the law enforcement magazines promote torture, 24 promotes torture, Threat Matrix promotes torture, CSI, CSI Miami promotes it, NYPD blew all these shows, you know, LA Law, Every episode, I mean literally, it's how torture is so wonderful.
00:45:36.000You see, they're selling you on their mentality.
00:46:00.000And see, a really smart serial killer becomes a government official, like this piece of garbage.
00:46:06.000Like this piece of filth, Dennis Reiter, who really is a shell for a demon.
00:46:14.000I mean, this literally is the dark side, coming across the void and feeding.
00:46:21.000And then a lot of these killers, a lot of these killers are running the quote, you know, anti-child porn rings.
00:46:27.000And then, see, they go out and raid innocent people that, you know, kiss their two-month-old baby on the stomach and get it printed at Eckerd's.
00:46:34.000Meanwhile, the people that are raiding those folks, and we have the intel on this, most of them, see, they're in a place where they can have all this stuff, do it, be around it, and then persecute innocent people.
00:46:46.000And, see, it's the same thing with these preachers and the government and just all of this scum, folks.
00:46:53.000Well, I mean, you know, it's come out of the Miami Herald and others that the top, you know, head person over the computer systems, and still didn't get in trouble, is a convicted brutal child rapist running the computers.
00:47:03.000And what, like a third of the top people in the CPS in Florida, it turned out, were convicted child rapists.
00:47:08.000See, they gravitate to where they get government power.
00:47:13.000And again, most people, two-thirds or plus, who are police and, you know, who are government officials, aren't evil.
00:47:19.000They had a compulsion to serve, Or maybe they wanted an adventure, or maybe they were just attracted to the uniform or whatever, but they're not bad.
00:47:28.000But still, you need to know who you're sitting next to.
00:47:31.000And by the way, the really deep criminology, the master's degrees in criminology, and I haven't taken that level of criminology, but I've read a lot of the textbooks, actually admit all of this.
00:48:27.000Families of the BTK victims have been warned by prosecutors in recent weeks that police testimony would be difficult to bear.
00:48:34.000What detectives revealed through graphic crime scene and autopsy photos and volumes of evidence from the killer himself was the disturbing death of cruelty and depravity behind Dennis Rader's murderous spree.
00:48:46.000Did it appear to you that he seemed to be extremely proud of what he had done?
00:48:53.000We've used the animation and also drawing pictures to help illustrate the details.
00:48:59.000Raider once took the body of one of his victims to his church.
00:49:02.000Detectives described how he became more confident and bolder in time, torturing his victims by strangling them and reviving them to prolong their terror.
00:49:23.000And they would either be strangled, suffocated, or hung.
00:49:26.000No one in the courtroom was more familiar with the horror and the violence than Kevin Bright, who on April 4th, 1974, just 19 years old and 115 pounds, desperately fought for his sister Catherine's life and his own, face to face with a young Dennis Rader.
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00:51:19.000Witness in horror the execution of the September 11th attacks and the ensuing whitewash.
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00:54:01.000Alright folks, we're going to go to a few of your calls in a second, but I could talk for hours about the BTK killer, because the piece of trash, who should be executed by the way, taunted the police.
00:54:22.000He started mailing letters to newspapers, photos of people he'd killed, When they finally caught him, he had thousands of cards and index cards and, you know, he was just totally obsessed with power and killing and torture.
00:54:36.000And, of course, it was tied to sexual activities, just like the torture at Camp X-Ray, the torture at Abu Ghraib.
00:55:21.000And, uh, it's just like the globalists will tell you in four or five movies exactly what they'll do before they do it.
00:55:27.000And we even have the people involved in the X-Files Long Gunman episode.
00:55:33.000Who said they were approached by Central Intelligence, almost a year before 9-11, to have this scenario of flying a hijacked jet into the World Trade Center, to blame it on Afghanistan and invade them, to be covered by a drill.
00:55:46.000A TV show where it's covered by a drill, the government runs a drill, so the other parts of the government don't know what's happening, and they do this to be able to invade a foreign country and blame it on them.
00:55:58.000And again, there were like four other movies and ads that defense contractors would run, and it's like they are compelled.
00:56:46.000We had the doctors on, the ship's doctor, from the USS Liberty on, highly decorated, shot and shrapneled and leg broken, kneecap broken, still taking care of everybody, and he said the thought came in his mind to just hide in the corner with all his wounds, but then he just He really felt the presence of God and forced down his fear.
00:57:58.000And I found that very interesting, and that's what I want to get to about some of the things he, I'm just surmising here, said concerning this General Burns that you guys talked about a little bit.
00:58:10.000Must have shocked the, generally the neocon audience of some of the Fox listeners, but I hear that music.
00:58:18.000Well, I got David Ray Griffin coming up, but what I'll do is, this will all concern 9-11, so you want to hold?
00:58:24.000You'll be the first caller for Griffin.
00:59:31.000And then we're back, of course, from 9 to midnight Central Standard Time.
00:59:37.000We are joined in this hour by Professor David Ray Griffin, also author of several extremely powerful books.
00:59:44.000I've had him on several times now, but I had a chance a few weeks ago to read his essay, and we have it posted on InfoWars.com, the 9-11 Commission Report, a 571-page lie.
00:59:56.000And he talks about how it was hard to chronicle all of them, and really how he thought that he should have titled his 9-11 book, the 9-11 Commission Report, Omissions and Distortions, that he should have just called it a 571-page lie.
01:00:14.000He's kind of feeling sad about that, and I understand.
01:00:17.000It's hard to state just how bad all this is.
01:00:24.000So now he's written this article, a 10-page essay, and it's in small print, so it's quite lengthy.
01:00:31.000Go to Infowars.com and read it, or the September 11th.org.
01:00:37.000But let's go ahead and go to the professor.
01:00:38.000We'll also take calls coming up later in this hour for Professor Griffin.
01:00:43.000Professor, thank you again for taking out time to join us.
01:00:46.000Good morning Alex, I'm glad to be with you again.
01:00:52.000But former Chief Briefer for Ronald Reagan and then of course George H.W.
01:00:58.000Bush, Ray McGovern and boy he was just coming right out with government involvement in 9-11 and endorsing your book and he wasn't that hardcore a year ago.
01:01:09.000More and more people are just coming out with it.
01:01:12.000Yeah, no, Ray told me that After he read the first book, it certainly made him suspicious, but it didn't push him over.
01:01:20.000But then when he read the second book and saw how, you know, to what extremes they had to go to protect, defend the official story, he said that pushed him over to think that it had to be an inside job.
01:01:40.000Yeah, we've got video interviews with him going up on the website today and a part two next week for PrisonPlanet.tv members, but a lot of this will be on the site for everybody.
01:01:50.000But, I mean, we've got the former, number two at Treasury, Paul Craig Roberts, going public.
01:01:57.000We've got, of course, Morgan Reynolds, number one economist, Department of Labor.
01:02:02.000I mean, they've got a big problem, Professor.
01:02:06.000It does seem to be unraveling, and that's the term that Justin Raimondo used the other day, that, you know, he's not necessarily ready to go this far, but he's seen enough just from mainstream news sources to say that the government's story about 9-11 is unraveling.
01:02:28.000Yeah, now all of his little libertarian followers that parrot whatever he says will have to change their orthodoxy.
01:02:35.000Perhaps the Earth is not the center of the universe.
01:02:41.000Yeah, it's rather remarkable how just in the last couple months lots of movement has occurred And one of the newest things, of course, is the release of the oral histories that the New York Times had to fight three years.
01:03:04.000To get the city of New York to release.
01:03:20.000A colleague and I have gone through now about a fourth of the oral histories, and we already see that the story about testimonies of explosions in the Twin Towers It's far stronger than anybody thought before.
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01:07:23.000We are talking to Professor David Ray Griffin, who has done two scholarly works, two books, on 9-11, and clear evidence of certain elements of the government being involved in the attacks.
01:07:37.000That's the only thing the evidence shows, and for stations that don't carry that first five minutes, have you missed it?
01:07:47.000This weekend, last weekend, out at Camp Casey in Crawford, I interviewed Ray McGovern, who we've talked to several times on the air over the last three years.
01:07:56.000He's gone public on the eve of the war, and now after the war started, that it's all a total fraud, that it's manufactured evidence, that we're dealing with criminally insane individuals who literally are delusional in the White House.
01:08:13.000He was the chief briefer for Ronald Reagan, and then every morning, six days a week, for George Herbert Walker Bush.
01:08:24.000And, you know, six months ago I saw the quote in his text where he said, boy, 9-11 sure is suspicious, but as you heard David Ray Griffin say in the last segment, now he's saying, no, no, now the evidence is really, and he cites the second book by Griffin as really tying it together for him, and just the horrible manipulations of the 9-11 whitewash commission, the second one appointed by Bush, that it's got to be an inside job.
01:08:48.000I mean, when they come out and say there were no steel columns in the middle of Tower 1 and 2, when they had some of the biggest columns in the world, when they don't mention Building 7, when they just flagrantly... It's the equivalent of saying the sun didn't come up in the morning.
01:09:06.000Professor, now you're looking at the oral histories of these firefighters and others, which they tried to block.
01:09:11.000They did block a lot of it, but I guess they're lazy.
01:09:14.000In it, we found several instances of bombs, explosions, firefighters talking about this.
01:09:20.000Why, if the government didn't release all of it, why would they still release some of it, Professor?
01:09:27.000Well, they resisted, you know, for three years.
01:09:32.000It was finally the New York Court of Appeals that said there was a suit by the New York Times and several of the families of victims joined together in this suit.
01:09:45.000And it took a long time through the court system, but the highest court in the state of New York, the Court of Appeals, finally said earlier this month that they had to release most of the oral histories.
01:10:00.000But how on earth could the government claim it was going to aid Zacharias Moussaoui, who they still haven't gotten convicted of anything?
01:10:22.000Now, let's not forget, first they claimed all the radios had malfunctioned.
01:10:26.000Then the fire department got mad two years ago and released some of the tapes where they were talking about explosions and stuff.
01:10:33.000So, I mean, we're getting lied to in just multi-faceted ways.
01:10:38.000Yeah, they tried to claim then that this would be a desecration of the dead to reveal this, and, you know, a breach of confidentiality and all of that.
01:10:49.000But the Court of Appeals obviously saw through that, evidently looked, you know, and said, well, here are a few things you can edit out.
01:11:01.000But what remains is pretty striking, however.
01:11:04.000Has anyone read any of these oral histories on your show?
01:11:08.000We have links to it on PrisonPlanet.com, but we've read small excerpts, but go ahead.
01:11:17.000Yeah, let me read one here, just sort of alphabetically.
01:11:21.000Firefighter Timothy Burke He was seeing, you know, jumpers from the North Tower and flames in the South and wondering, where the hell are the jets?
01:11:51.000And then, so now we have it in, you know, eyewitness testimony, and he was saying, I was going, oh my God, there's a secondary device, because the way the building popped, I thought it was an explosion.
01:12:05.000And then another fellow, Firefighter Edward Kachia, I think it's pronounced, He said it actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit.
01:12:17.000Well, we have eyewitnesses long before anything collapses with bombs going off in the basement.
01:12:24.000So, what some of us are doing now are putting together the old testimonies with the new ones and showing that there is now an extremely strong... Well, we shouldn't listen to the firefighters.
01:12:37.000Anybody that questions George Bush must be with Al Qaeda.
01:12:41.000Yeah, and this Kachia goes on then to say, uh, we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom.
01:12:55.000And then the next guy says the same thing, John Cittarella, I heard a loud roar, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
01:13:04.000So you can see why they did not want to allow these to
01:13:10.000And for those that don't know, Larry Silverstein says he blew Building 7 up, it wasn't hit by a plane, no fire, little bitty fires falls, and we have the video on the stills of which the buildings, before they collapse, there's little ploofs, the classic detonation points, and we've got dozens of firefighters saying they saw this, I mean, they're trained for this folks, but it's just 101, we have all these other control demos, we know what it looks like, and then when it starts collapsing, we have
01:13:38.000Evenly blown off, evenly blown off sections of the girders, being ejected hundreds of feet!
01:13:49.000No, that's right, and to support what you just said, the Assistant Commissioner of the New York Fire Department, Stephen Gregory, said, I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before number two came down, That I saw low-level flashes.
01:14:09.000In my conversations with another lieutenant, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building.
01:16:32.000Regardless, Professor, what are they going to do, and I've become so desensitized to this, more eyewitnesses to bombs, more eyewitnesses to explosions, more eyewitnesses, you know, so I'm kind of desensitized.
01:16:47.000I haven't talked enough about this in the last few weeks since this came out, but Professor, what are they going to do just as everyone learns the truth?
01:16:53.000Is it just going to be like the Kennedy assassination where 90% of us know the truth but nobody gets in trouble?
01:17:00.000Well, certainly thus far, that's been the case.
01:17:04.000We're not up to 90% yet, but I think the percentages are pretty high.
01:17:10.000That Dogby poll in New York showed, you know, many months ago that New Yorkers were about 50% on board, at least for foreknowledge.
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01:23:57.000He's the owner of Building 7 on national TV.
01:24:02.000I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.
01:24:10.000I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life.
01:24:18.000And then we watched the building collapse.
01:24:22.000And then later we have clips where they say, pull it means demolish, means control demolition.
01:24:27.000Let me ask Professor David O'Griffin two things.
01:24:33.000They've already had a flotilla, squadron after squadron, I mean like twelve shows explaining why the towers fell and lying to us like the commission.
01:24:58.000On National Geographic, on the Discovery Channel, Professor Griffin Well, I pretty much try to just stick to the evidence and not try to get inside other people's minds.
01:25:08.000Two, why did the military-industrial complex or that small group that orchestrated this, why did they think they'd get away with it?
01:25:17.000Well, you know, I pretty much try to just stick to the evidence and not try to get inside other people's minds.
01:25:28.000I have no idea, you know, what this...
01:25:34.000Clearly, one would assume that the fact that so many new shows are coming out giving the orthodox view of 9-11 suggests that they're no longer just using strategy number one, which is to ignore us, So now they're thinking, well, they have to refute us, not directly, they would never mention us
01:25:58.000By name to dignify our allegations but simply by putting a contrary story out there through which many people might say well you know what Griffin and Jones and Sharpley and the others say isn't true because here's what's true.
01:26:15.000So it'll certainly work with a lot of people but people who have already heard your shows and read our books will not be fooled and will hopefully inform their neighbors But you know, the media has already lost so much credibility, I think it'll actually turn a lot of people on.
01:26:33.000Well, it's possible, and you know, you're mentioning Ray McGovern is very important because he is such a good symbol here for a shift that has occurred because these people who were You know, members of the government.
01:27:46.000So, this was a revelation to a big segment of the people Who did not realize how thoroughly the mainstream media would simply try to cover up a major scandal.
01:28:00.000And still, they've done it pretty well with the Downing Street Memo.
01:28:03.000When you realize the implications of that.
01:28:06.000Well, we don't talk about fake reporters and gay pleasure slaves in the White House.
01:28:13.000I mean, that's not even discussed now.
01:28:16.000Yeah, and so when you realize that this story that shows they intended to fix the intelligence prior to attacking Iraq, the fact that that is not a drumbeat on television to this day is a great indictment of the integrity of our mainstream media.
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01:32:06.000I went down, down, down, and the flames were high.
01:32:09.000A great essay that Professor Dr. David Ray Griffin has written.
01:32:15.000The 911 Commission Report, a 571 page lie, is what he's saying.
01:32:21.000He probably should have termed the name of his new book.
01:32:24.000And we have it on Infowars.com, or just type in the 9-1-1 Commission Report, a 571 page lie, and it'll pop up for you on Google.
01:32:35.000In fact, I typed in a 571 page lie this morning when I was trying to find it again.
01:32:41.000It was a few weeks ago when I read it, and it popped up dozens of links right there to different places that have it.
01:32:50.000So what we'll do is, we'll get the professor to cover three or four big lies, then we'll take a few calls, cover three or four more.
01:32:57.000There's a hundred, so there's no way to cover them all.
01:33:00.000And again, that's just some of the lies.
01:33:03.000But I've said there are over 600 smoking guns that show government complicity.
01:33:09.000That is a criminal element of the government.
01:33:11.000Professor, please give us a few of the lies.
01:33:14.000Well, let's start with Vice President Cheney's whereabouts that morning.
01:33:22.000The official story up till the 9-11 Commission report had been that Cheney had gone down to the underground bunker at about 9-15 and of course that's the Emergency Operations Center.
01:33:38.000And one problem arose then was that it appeared that Flight 93 had been shot down.
01:33:46.000So there was an enormous amount of evidence that it had been shot down at 10-03 or 10-06.
01:33:54.000And if Cheney was down there at 9-15, that gave him plenty of time to give the shoot-down order.
01:34:00.000And in fact, Richard Clark had said the shoot-down order came about 9-45 or 9-50, somewhere in there.
01:34:08.000We have a member of the Cabinet that was there, and Cheney said the order stands as all this was happening.
01:34:19.000Well, Mineta reinforced that old story, because he said he got to the White House at about 9.15, was told by Clark to go down to the underground bunker where Cheney was, and he got down there about 9.20, and Cheney was there, and clearly in charge, and had been in charge for a while, because there was that ongoing conversation.
01:34:40.000But he didn't have any of the male escorts down there in the Situation Room.
01:34:46.000The 9-11 Commission, though, needed to deny that he could have given the order to shoot down Flight 93.
01:34:52.000So they ignored all the massive amount of evidence that that flight had been shot down.
01:34:59.000And they rested everything on this indirect argument, well, that Cheney couldn't have given the order in time because he didn't give the order until 10-10, and he didn't give the order until 10-10 because he didn't get down there until Almost 10 o'clock, they speculate, maybe 9.58.
01:35:15.000In other words, they lie by about 45 minutes in terms of what Norman Mineta had told them in open testimony.
01:35:28.000So in order to give their story, they had to suppress testimony given to them.
01:35:37.000Another one of these is where they denied that FEMA was running Tripod 2 starting the day before and that the Kenney comment wasn't true.
01:35:45.000And then later, Giuliani gets up and says, and of course that gets exposed too, gets up and says, oh no, there was a Tripod 2.
01:35:54.000And I know that's totally separate, it's just that they can't seem to get all their lies straight.
01:36:00.000Yeah, sometimes they contradict themselves, such as when they, in one place, Tell us that Honey Honjour was a terrible pilot, whereas then in another place they say they chose him to fly the plane into the Pentagon because that was going to be a difficult flight and they wanted their most experienced pilot.
01:36:25.000But he couldn't get a Cessna off the ground.
01:36:39.000My other favorite is the one that you alluded to earlier.
01:36:42.000You know, of all the issues about the collapse of the Twin Towers, the overwhelming one is the fact that it was a total collapse that resulted in a pile of only a few stories high, reducing these 110-story buildings.
01:37:00.000And their crucial dimension, of course, was these 47 Massive steel columns that constituted the core of each tower, and there's no conceivable way that the pancake theory could explain why those steel columns would have been broken into small pieces.
01:37:21.000You know, fire does not break steel into And for those that don't understand what we're saying, you use the great example of the old 45 records, where you have the spindle sticking up, and as they played, they'd drop down.
01:37:35.000I mean, similar construction, not even as beefy.
01:37:40.000In Madrid, it burns for a day and a half with 100 foot white flames, and nothing collapses but some little roof metal an inch around.
01:37:48.000I mean, the main support's rock solid, not even any damage.
01:38:09.000From all that we can tell, but of course, as you say, part of the problem was, and again, the 9-11 Commission doesn't breathe a word of this, that the steel was quickly removed and sold to A junk dealer who put it on a ship, put it on ships to Asia where it'd be melted down.
01:38:28.000And they told him, they said, you do not stop for anything in this long hour and a half drive out to the docks.
01:38:33.000And they had armed guards there guarding it.
01:39:18.000Well, you know, I've noticed now that even these Water the Towers fall and all these shows on NOVA and all that, they repeat that lie.
01:39:26.000The building was shoddy, an absolute piece of junk, nothing was supporting it.
01:39:30.000But then I have that big 10-hour series, I bought it, New York for PBS, and they show the central columns and talk about the incredible strength and how it was built to take multiple jet crashes, and look at the size of those pillars!
01:39:47.000Yeah, so, you know, as long as they're talking to people who don't know the evidence, They can convince them, but the more that people listen to your show and see your videos and read our books, the more people will know that they're just lying through their teeth.
01:40:09.000What are some of the lies that even very informed listeners or myself may not be aware of that you've uncovered in your scholarly research?
01:40:19.000Yeah, well I distinguish between lies of omission as well as lies of distortion.
01:40:24.000So you have those explicit lies like the time Cheney went down and the denial of the columns.
01:40:42.000Do you have in this... I mean, I've read the essay, but I read it a few weeks ago, so I don't remember.
01:40:46.000Do you have in there where Rice says, we never got a warning, never heard of this, but she had the exact memo determined to attack flight planes in the buildings days before?
01:40:57.000I mean, that's one of the kinds of lies, the lies of of rather explicit specific foreknowledge.
01:41:06.000Give us some of the little manipulative spin lies.
01:41:11.000Yeah, well, one that I love is the, because I think it's so crucial, when people ask me what are the big four, big five points, I always refer, and I know you've talked about it a lot, but one can't talk about it too much, the way the Secret Service did the way the Secret Service did not whisk Bush out of the school in Sarasota as soon as they knew, given the official story, that the country was under terrorist attack.
01:41:41.000Because they have very explicit orders, the Secret Service, that whenever there is any sign of danger to the president, they are to take him away to a previously unknown location.
01:42:08.000Even the President is not to know where... And here he was in this school where they had advertised his
01:42:17.000presence there for several days in advance besides not taking him immediately out of the school to an undisclosed location they left him there for another half hour at least and allowed him to go on national television where in effect he was saying here I am terrorists crash one of your airplanes into the school here and you can kill the President of the United States Not to mention all these children.
01:42:45.000Or if there's some ground-hit team of 50 crazed Arabs.
01:42:50.000No, I mean, folks, if there is anything going on, they will cancel, they will drag him out.
01:43:07.000It's only the head of the detail that has to know what to do, and they all obey him.
01:43:12.000And so the crucial thing here in regard to the 9-11 Commission Report is how they handled this.
01:43:18.000You would have thought, and if this were a serious commission, they would have been all over the Secret Service, they certainly would have, one of the recommendations would be that the head of the Secret Service would have been fired, if not, you know, put in prison for dereliction of duty, and yet what they said, they just asked him, Well, why didn't you remove the President?
01:43:41.000And the guy says, well, we didn't think it was necessary to run him out of the room.
01:43:48.000I mean, he could have walked a foot, a minute, and gotten out of there.
01:43:55.000Yeah, nobody suggested, well, you know, maybe there was something in between leaving him there for another 40 minutes and running him out of the room like you could have walked him out of the room fairly quickly into the car.
01:45:12.000And this is the other thing, of course, I've harped on a lot, and I stress that we really had here the White House investigating itself.
01:45:23.000Because the investigation was run, insofar as you can even call it an investigation, by Philip Zelikow, and Zelikow is a member of the Bush administration.
01:45:35.000How do you call an independent if you appoint them?
01:45:38.000I don't... Yeah, and somebody who has worked closely with Condoleezza Rice, co-authored a book with her, helped her make the transition into the new administration, And now is appointed with her in the State Department.
01:45:56.000Well, one of the chairmen is in business through a group with the Carlisle Group and thus the Bin Ladens.
01:46:03.000Yeah, and so this is why I call the report, really, instead of calling it just the Cain Report after the chairman, Thomas Cain, I call it the Cain-Zillowcow Report because Well, you know this story, I've made the point before that I suspect that a lot of the commissioners didn't even really realize what they were signing on to when they signed the final document.
01:46:30.000They are probably going to be shocked like some of the members of the Warren Commission were later.
01:46:34.000Well, I gotta tell you, I saw some traveling around a few weeks ago, it was on C-SPAN, and they got confronted about The head of Pakistani intelligence wearing $100,000 to Mohammed Ata, being at the Capitol that day.
01:46:45.000And let me tell you, that chairman, he knew, he looked like a cat caught with a canary in his mouth.
01:46:51.000He started panicking, just, OK, fine, fine!
01:46:54.000I mean, I don't know, David, I was pretty suspicious.
01:46:57.000Yeah, I just say, I mean, clearly they knew in general what they were doing.
01:47:02.000I'm just saying, I don't know if they knew all the details.
01:47:44.000I started to talk a little bit about Cindy Sheehan, and I made a point that you had told Fox the other night, Alan Combs, about Greg Symanski from the American Free Press newspaper, which also has done a lot of reportage on this, including a review of your book, Professor Griffin.
01:48:02.000Cindy Sheehan has been cited by your colleague Jeff Renz and the American Free Press newspaper in Washington as having said that her son died for Israel, not America.
01:48:13.000And my tie-in point to this, Alex, is this.
01:48:16.000You've had Colonel Don DeGrand Prix, you've had talks with him.
01:48:20.000The fact is, General Burns obviously was, as you told Alan Combs the other night, General Burns May have foiled another 9-11 plot.
01:48:30.000He may be out as part of a... It's implied some kind of a coup, a brew.
01:48:35.000Colonel Don DeGrand Priest said this a couple years ago in the American Free Press newspaper.
01:48:40.000And when you tie this together, look at Larry Silverstein.
01:48:43.000His partner was from Israel, Frank Lowry, who had the retail portion of the Trade Center.
01:48:49.000When you put that together with what Cindy Sheehan is saying about Wolfowitz, Pearl, Doug Fife, Abrams, Henry Kissinger himself, who tried at first to hijack the 9-11.
01:49:00.000What's your question, just so I can get to it?
01:49:04.000In light of Colonel Dondogon, do you think, Colonel Dondogon, the priest, says the American foreign policy is in the death grip of the Israeli lobby?
01:49:12.000Well, I think definitely it's one of the most powerful lobbies, especially internationally.
01:49:16.000But sir, I'll give you my answer, and then we'll come back to Professor Grevin's comment.
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01:53:06.000He's trying to find the original interview I did with David Shippers.
01:53:12.000And I know for a fact that audio interview is all over the web, though it's almost four years ago.
01:53:18.000I interviewed him two weeks after 9-11.
01:53:21.000I know it's on the web, I know it's on my website, I know the transcript is everywhere, but I'm told that one of my employees couldn't find it for David Ray Griffin, so it may have gotten
01:53:31.000erased off my site stuff like that happens when it's four years old and we have server problems stuff goes on it gets moved it's mislabeled and there's hundreds of thousands of documents on my website uh... but i know that's everywhere but it's also ten minutes of the interview about the attack on lower manhattan that quote i know that is in road to tyranny so professor why don't you just give people your email address and i'm sure you'll get it within minutes and uh... i'm sure folks can uh... i guess i i
01:54:02.000I guess you haven't seen Road to Tyranny.
01:54:53.000Okay, what specific part are you looking for?
01:54:56.000The part where he first tells you That he had received information from these FBI agents that there were going to be attacks on lower Manhattan.
01:55:07.000Oh yeah, that's in my film, with him saying it.
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01:55:18.000To answer Ed's question, and I want to go to John and Mike at least, and we'll hold the professor over just a few minutes so you can take your calls, but to answer the question about Israel for the caller, Well, what I would say there is, you know, the press has jumped all over Cindy Sheehan for suggesting that the war in Iraq was at least partly for the sake of Israel.
01:55:47.000Well, Philip Zelikow stated that in a public lecture, so if people are going to be critical, Of that, they should attack Zelikow.
01:56:00.000I mean, AIPAC is one of the biggest lobbies running around calling for Armageddon, so I don't know how they could deny that.
01:56:08.000Yeah, he was quoted as talking about a threat that dare not speak its name.
01:56:16.000He said that at least one of the prime motives behind the U.S.
01:56:20.000invasion of Iraq and it was the desire of the Bush administration to eliminate this threat But that they dare not speak its name because, quote, the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically because it is not a popular spell.
01:56:36.000So Cindy Sheehan is not saying anything outrageous.
01:56:40.000She could have been, you know, she was at least saying the same thing that Philip Delacalle had.
01:56:54.000Yes, Alex, I support the tremendous work you and Mr. Griffin are doing on the 9-11 conspiracy, but I do have to say that an earlier comment you made earlier that I have a disagreement with, and I'll wait until after the... Okay, but it needs to be about... I mean, you can say whatever you want, I don't want to cut you short.
01:59:01.000Well, I just wanted to say that it seems like the phony establishment liberals like Soros and Al Franken and the rest of them specialize in claiming that anyone who believes in these conspiracies behind 9-11 are to be barred from the anti-war movement anyway.
01:59:17.000Anyone who calls for withdrawal like Cindy Sheehan should.
01:59:20.000No, I agree, and now they're taking control of the operation at Crawford.
01:59:23.000Yeah, but I believe that those that are most open To these kinds of conspiracies, those who point out that these wars are not just an aberration of a jealous fit by Bush or any of these presidents, are the left, are the communists, are the socialists.
01:59:38.000They point out, I think, that this is the monopoly corporate connections to it, the military-industrial connections, and they're the most open to the kinds of 9-11 conspiracies.
01:59:48.000So I see them as the most valuable ally rather than as some kind of... Okay, thanks for the call, John.
01:59:53.000I've got to let you go because I want to let Mike get on.
02:00:07.000I called before, I'm a structural steel iron worker and welder, and when I talked to you before about the... Yeah, last time you called was when the professor was on.
02:00:34.000And I challenge anyone to take a piece of steel, not doctile iron or cast iron, and snap it without it bending.
02:00:44.000And one other thing, a cover-up that everyone seems to have missed, was in the middle of all that, if you remember the local iron worker union, Yeah, that's right.
02:00:55.000Let me get a comment from Professor Griffin.
02:01:11.000I mean, one of the many scandals that should have been a drumbeat in the mainstream press was this removal of the steel because the fired engineering magazine and even the New York Times was saying this removal of evidence has to stop because normally you can't one of the many scandals that should have been a drumbeat in the mainstream press was this removal of the steel because the fired engineering magazine and even the New York Times was saying this removal of evidence has to stop because normally you can't remove a
02:01:43.000the Nobody's saying, well, this proves that he's trying to cover things up.
02:01:49.000Well, in closing, Professor, aren't you worried that the military-industrial complex may carry out another attack?
02:01:55.000Because it seems like their agenda is stalling everywhere.
02:02:00.000Well, it's certainly a real danger, because that will distract us from all these concerns, and we've seen many cases before, when there's an uncomfortable story going, then something Does happen that distracts us.
02:02:17.000And they still control mostly the media, so the media will just follow along.
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02:08:03.000And now, she's here to talk about the actual quotes of Tommy Thompson!
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02:08:17.000We're here delving deep into the rabbit hole, into the Alice in Wonderland, Outer Limits, Twilight Zone dimension, and Catherine, good to have you on with us.
02:08:25.000Hey Alex, did you ever think we would get to the point where we're having a serious discussion about chip implants, and we've got a major ranking member of the Bush administration sitting there saying that we should put them in the military?
02:08:37.000Well, I mean, you know that when Bill O'Reilly says it, and you know that I've got Sean Hannity on video going, every child needs a chip, two years ago, I predict, well, you don't get into government-sponsored terror, but I know their agenda, and yes, I did think it would come to this, and what they'll have is a terrorist group who's against chips, and then see, if you won't take the chips, you're a terrorist, but go ahead.
02:09:03.000Well, you know, that terrorist group may just be the nation's Christians, which is what has me kind of astonished, because here you've got the Bush administration, you've got G.W.
02:09:11.000Bush not saying a word against this, And yet you've got this 2,000 year old prophecy straight out of the Bible saying there's going to be a market and a number needed to buy and sell.
02:09:20.000And you've got the Christians getting a little nervous, but not the ones in the administration.
02:09:30.000I did an interview with the 700 Club last year.
02:09:32.000They actually flew me down and we talked about the health effects of the Varichip implant, which I think I talked to your listeners about a while back.
02:09:40.000I know you've got some information posted on your website at InfoWars.com.
02:09:45.000Yeah, they can explore, they can shift location, they can burn you from the inside out.
02:09:49.000If somebody sets off an EMP weapon, these things can literally become a molten mass of hot steaming metal and glass, singeing you from the inside of your body out.
02:10:00.000They're incompatible with MRI machines and they can shift location.
02:10:04.000I mean, there's really some very serious downsides to taking these implants.
02:10:09.000And here you've actually got them being promoted as a positive medical device when all the research we've done and everything, even the FDA has come out and said that they're actually dangerous.
02:11:22.000I've been following the RFID issue since 2002.
02:11:25.000And since that time, the Applied Digital folks, the Applied Digital Solutions people out of Florida that manufacture this Verichip and now the Verichip Corporation.
02:11:33.000Yeah, first they said they would never do this when their own documents showed it.
02:11:36.000And I'd have the Chief Scientist on, he'd say they would.
02:11:39.000I'd have the CEO on, he'd say that's ridiculous, we won't.
02:11:41.000And then now they're running around all over the place.
02:11:43.000You want to get in the VIP bar or you got to do it?
02:11:45.000Well, it's really extraordinary how they've kind of changed their story through the years.
02:11:48.000And, of course, many people way back in, you know, 2001 kind of knew where they were going with it and what their plans were.
02:11:54.000And now here it is all out on the table.
02:11:57.000And then it turned out the Jacobsons really worked for him, the evil family that got the chips.
02:12:34.000Well, the piece I find really extraordinary about this is, you know, here's a company that's kind of been viewed as the black sheep of the RFID industry.
02:12:42.000I know that the folks who put together the consortium that wants to tag consumer products, you know, the folks from Walmart down to Procter & Gamble.
02:12:51.000Yeah, all of those folks have really tried to distance themselves from this company and really sort of looked down and said, oh no, you know, they're just a nothing company.
02:13:00.000Well, IBM doesn't distance themselves, lavishing them with cash.
02:13:04.000Yeah, well, you know, it's really made a shift and I think that's been the part that I find so significant.
02:13:08.000I mean, this company has been around touting human implants for a couple of years now, but what's really changed is in the last couple of months, bringing Tommy Thompson on board, getting some of this major media coverage, You know, I did an interview with BBC World Service just a week or two ago.
02:13:24.000And they actually, with a very straight face, said, will this help prevent things like the London Terrace Bombing?
02:14:27.000I know I'm going a little overboard here with you, but I'm just telling you how they operate.
02:14:30.000Well, I've got to tell you, at this point, Alex, very little would surprise me, since I've seen Tommy Thompson literally standing up there, you know, four-time governor of Wisconsin.
02:14:40.000He is... Well, that's how we're going to do it.
02:14:42.000They're going to have a Christian terror group, and because I'm predicting what they'll do, they'll probably try to even claim I'm involved, which of course I'm not.
02:14:48.000It's government-sponsored terror, and they're going to kill people and say Christians are doing it.
02:15:12.000What you'll have, this is the scenario.
02:15:14.000You will have a criminal group within the government that carries out terror attacks and attributes it to an imaginary Christian group who is resisting the mark of the beast.
02:15:23.000Then, if you refuse to take the chip, you must be with them.
02:15:30.000Well, that wouldn't surprise me, frankly, given the amount of craziness.
02:15:35.000You've always been pretty conservative, so having a governor say, take the chip, is kind of getting you to... Well, I gotta say, Alex, it really has.
02:15:42.000I mean, you know, after a while this stuff starts to seem so incredibly surreal that you really do say, you know, there's very little that would surprise me from this point forward.
02:15:51.000And I think I've kind of hit that point.
02:15:53.000When you've actually got a four-time governor standing up, you've got a technology that we were promised over and over for the last several years would never be used to track people.
02:16:01.000We've now got them being inserted into passports.
02:16:03.000We've now got people at the U.S., the Mexican and Canadian borders being issued tags containing these RFID devices so they can be identified coming from 30 feet away.
02:16:14.000I mean, we've really hit a point where there is an awful lot of double-speak, an awful lot of what we were told would be happening is happening a very different way.
02:16:23.000And frankly, this technology really does scare me.
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02:22:27.000So, Tommy Thompson is now part of the Get Chipped promotion.
02:22:32.000Give us some of his quotes, Catherine.
02:22:33.000Well, Tommy Thompson, of course, and I were both on CBS Market Watch about two weeks ago.
02:22:38.000And, of course, I gave the usual kind of conservative, hey, I'm not sure we all want to be chipped and tracked everywhere we go.
02:22:44.000And he left out there with some of these just amazing quotes.
02:22:47.000One of them says, I can be implanted in your arm within seconds, which I guess is true if you really want to do the speedy version.
02:22:54.000He says it'll give an identification number so it's very beneficial, it's going to be extremely helpful, and it's a giant step forward to getting what we call an electronic medical record for all Americans, end quote.
02:23:07.000Which the government's been calling for, biometric scanning of all children at birth.
02:23:11.000Well, and you know, Alex, they're saying it's going to cost $200 billion to take all of our medical records, make them all electronic, put them all on the internet, and put them all under the control of the federal government.
02:23:23.000Why in the heck would we possibly want that?
02:23:25.000And Bush last week signed a law where everything you do, prescription-wise, instantly uploaded.
02:23:31.000No Fourth Amendment, not even a pretense.
02:23:34.000And you know, we can trace all this back to HIPAA, which was the government's, you know, and here I have to say, it really was a pretense at privacy, when in reality, if you carefully read the HIPAA statement that your doctor makes you sign when you go into the doctor, and now even the dentist, even the optometrist makes you sign it, what it says on there is, we have the right to give your information away to researchers, to federal government agents, to blah blah blah.
02:24:11.000Well, yeah, and you know, I've told this before, I think, to your audience, that, you know, I've talked to young people, teenagers, and I've got to say, people our generation, if you're over 30, you have an obligation to tell people who are under 20 what's going on in the world today.
02:24:28.000And the real obligation, I think... I remember the old days when we didn't have a camera in the bathroom!
02:24:33.000I remember in the old days when I had to take 10 pills every morning and worship the global leader.
02:24:38.000I remember when I didn't have a synaptic nerve brain control modulator.
02:24:43.000Well, and it's even, you know, the 15-year-old girl who turned to me and said, well, Catherine, I think it's really great that, you know, you're on TV and you're fighting all these privacy invasions and the supermarket cards and, you know, all this stuff, but I got just one question for you.
02:24:56.000If you got rid of those supermarket cards like you're trying to do, how would the store know what you bought?
02:25:02.000So you've got these young people just taking it as a matter of course that, you know, global corporations have a right to know.
02:25:07.000Well, you come back in with your receipt!
02:25:09.000Well, you know, they've got a right to know.
02:25:10.000Well, did you know that I've seen three different issues of Time magazine for kids with huge lavish articles about in the future you'll be chipped, your parents aren't cool but you are, you know how good the chips are.
02:25:30.000These stick-in-the-mud parents who don't understand how cool it is to have a chip and to have the supermarket watching what you buy and have your cell phone tracking you around.
02:25:40.000Your parents don't know how cool it is to be a slave!
02:25:43.000Well, let me give you another Tommy Thompson quote here.
02:25:46.000This is the one that really made my hair stand up on end.
02:25:49.000He says, this is going to give that, really that impetus to get the changing, the transformation, which I call, that's badly needed in our healthcare system.
02:25:59.000This changing, this transformation, is kind of what we're talking about.
02:26:03.000It's transforming this notion that you do have some form of medical privacy, this notion that you can take prescription drugs and it's really nobody's business but you and your doctors, and transforming it into this notion that everything is changing.
02:26:17.000The chip is going to cause a transformation!
02:26:35.000Well, we've been following this, you and I have been following this for several years, and you know back in the early days when they first introduced the VeriChip, they predicted a market of literally billions of people taking the VeriChip.
02:26:46.000And they said that on their website, they said it in their public statements, we predict a market of literally billions.
02:26:51.000And how do you get a market of billions of people to take these devices?
02:26:54.000And they can't even pay people to put these things in their arms.
02:27:08.000Yeah, well, unless you have the chip in your arm, you may actually not be able to get healthcare ten years down the road when they make the electronic medical records.
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02:31:22.000I mean, to have a former member of the cabinet, a governor, traipsing around saying, get CHIP, it's wonderful, kids need it, the military needs it.
02:31:31.000But I got quotes from speeches he's given where he's saying every child needs it.
02:31:34.000I mean, they're out in the open, folks.
02:31:37.000And they're just going to keep acting like they're normal and having these prestigious people push it.
02:32:06.000Well, you know, you mentioned tracking kids and Tommy Thompson talking about that.
02:32:10.000It's interesting, right after he publicly went on the board and started making these announcements, the Verichip and Applied Digital folks came out with this big press release that they had foiled a baby abduction from a hospital in North Carolina.
02:32:26.000Yeah, well they made this big announcement that their Verichip product, which is an ankle bracelet, it's an RFID-based device that they clamp onto the ankle of newborn babies, and they have doorway sensors in the hospital, so if someone attempts to take the baby through the doorway without removing or deactivating the ankle bracelet, it will set off an alarm.
02:33:19.000The mother who had just given birth to the baby and the father of the baby tried to remove the baby because they were afraid that the hospital administrators were going to take the baby from them.
02:33:35.000Uh, you know, that's something we need to follow up on and figure out.
02:33:38.000Are they cooling their heels in jail right now for trying to remove their own baby from the hospital?
02:33:44.000So it was not an issue of some stranger abducting the baby, the baby's own mother was trying to... Well, have you been able to get this out in the media and expose their fraud?
02:33:50.000Well, it's been reported in a couple of different places.
02:33:53.000We just sent out a newsletter, which, by the way, your listeners should all sign up for our newsletter.
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02:34:02.000But anyway, we just sent out a newsletter where we talk about that.
02:34:05.000Um, there have been some reports in the media, but I'd say, you know, 99 out of 100 reports on this said, oh, hooray, this new technology helped foil an abduction, but they don't talk about what the abduction, quote-unquote, was really about.
02:34:17.000You know, the other thing, Alex, we... The child, the parents who just had their baby, they tried to take it out, and then they're in their bed.
02:34:25.000And they didn't have the hospital authorization to remove their child.
02:34:42.000It's interesting here in the state of New Hampshire, where I live, there's been a big push to get more respect for home birth midwives, so people can have their babies at home and avoid it all together.
02:34:52.000Yeah, the government's moving to stop that, even though statistically it's safer.
02:34:56.000And there's many states that have tried to ban it outright, and they're doing all sorts of things.
02:35:00.000But obviously, you know, your baby's not going to get abducted if you have your baby at home.
02:35:05.000Well, under New Freedom, they try to drug the mothers and the children.
02:35:09.000And they spy on the mothers and fill out all these tattletale reports.
02:35:13.000Up in Illinois, all mothers will get three CPS visits, whether you're a millionaire or a poor mother on food stamps, all about getting you into the system.
02:35:24.000Did you hear about how they tried to pass a law this year?
02:35:26.000We narrowly defeated it, but they're going to bring it up next legislative session to put a transponder in the new inspection stickers next year.
02:35:42.000Well, I'll tell you, Alex, in the book that I've co-authored that's coming out in a little over six weeks now, coming out October 4th, we devote a whole chapter to transportation and RFID-based tracking.
02:36:04.000I think it's going to really change the conversation about a lot of this RFID technology because we found in their own words some of the biggest corporations on planet Earth very clearly discussing, and never before published information, about their plans literally to track people everywhere they go.
02:36:20.000Track them in their cars, track them walking on the streets.
02:36:22.000Unless they're an illegal alien, then they're given more tuition than citizens, they're given home loans, they're They're above the law, but us gullible little compliant slaves, we're going to really enjoy it.
02:36:36.000Well, and even the immigrants now are getting tagged, so not so quick.
02:36:39.000I'm sure they'd tag everybody if they could.
02:36:43.000But, I mean, I want to take a few calls here, but Catherine, A few years ago, you went to one of their big consortium meetings, big convention in Chicago, and they were saying stuff like, the public hates this in our polls, our internal polls, but they will submit, we will dominate them.
02:37:02.000The Babylon system of angels is almost ready.
02:37:05.000I mean, this is very bizarre and occultic sounding.
02:37:10.000Well, you know, I've attended a couple of their meetings.
02:37:12.000The first one that I ever went to was back in the spring of 2002, and at that meeting I literally heard people say, won't it be great when we'll know every time the consumer takes the lid off the toothpaste in their own bathroom.
02:37:24.000And, you know, the plan is to put RFID readers in our medicine cabinets, to put them in our bathroom scales.
02:37:31.000We report that in the newsletter that went out yesterday.
02:37:34.000To put them in our refrigerators, in our pantries, so that literally every product you bring into your home... It's like the black box in your car has that history.
02:37:42.000It's actually, it's like the black box in your car, but it's recording, you know, at what time someone removed the, you know, the psycho-whatever medication from the shelf, and how much it weighed when they took it out, and how much it weighed when they put it back, and who the individual was who picked it up.
02:38:09.000Well, of course, we'd have the world free from people not following the prescription instructions that they were given by their doctors.
02:38:16.000And we've got new freedom where we've got to drug everyone.
02:38:19.000Well, and the concern the pharmaceutical industry has is that 50% of people do not fill the prescriptions they're written.
02:38:27.000So they want to make sure that not only are you taking the drugs that you get, but that you're filling every prescription you're issued.
02:38:33.000So when the doctor writes you a prescription, we've all had the experience of going to the doctor because you just wanted to make sure something wasn't serious, and he goes, oh, it's not serious, but here's a prescription anyway.
02:38:42.000And they give you a big thing of painkillers and you don't want them.
02:38:46.000So, you know, just so you know, I earned my $100 for a retro prescription.
02:38:50.000And, you know, most of us go, you know, I don't really need that.
02:38:52.000I just wanted to make sure I wasn't dying of, you know, a brain hemorrhage or something.
02:38:55.000No, I've got, like, antibiotics from, you know, when I went to the doctor five years ago in the cabinet.
02:39:02.000Yeah, well, and a lot of people just throw away the prescription pad, you know, the piece of paper, because they don't need the prescription.
02:39:15.000And then if there's any plates in the sink, we better take their children.
02:39:18.000Well, what's funny about it, Alex, is that the pharmaceutical industry views that as you're somehow costing them money because a legitimate doctor gave you a legitimate prescription and you failed to comply by not filling that prescription.
02:39:31.000So they call it prescription compliance.
02:39:33.000They talk about losing billions of dollars every year because people don't comply with their prescription requirements.
02:39:38.000Well, have you heard the news saying where The biggest janitor company, 500,000 employees, exterminator companies, truck drivers, they're all spying on you when they're in your house.
02:39:49.000And the cops can't do that, and what they're doing is criminal too.
02:39:52.000I mean, we are really becoming a nightmare place.
02:39:56.000This is people you hire to come in and clean your business or your home, and they're reporting back if they see anything unusual to Homeland Security?
02:40:06.000Yeah, but I mean, it's like being institutionalized across the board.
02:40:10.000It's like something straight out of the KGB.
02:40:12.000Well, let me give you guys a little bit of intellectual ammunition next time you're arguing with somebody who says this is going to make us safer.
02:40:18.000I don't think I've ever found one of those people.
02:40:50.000So you had, you know, they could intercept your phone calls, they could send a neighbor over to your barbecue and listen in on your conversations, report them back to the government, they could intercept your mail, they could, basically everything you did was...
02:41:01.000society, everybody uses it in business against each other, or somebody wants your wife, or somebody's jealous of you, or they're just a nutcase, and those people rise up through the ranks, and then pretty soon people go, I'm not going to produce anything, I'm just And so your way of rebelling is just being a lazy sloth.
02:41:20.000Then there's forced labor camps, which they admittedly are building.
02:41:23.000Did you know about the forced labor camps?
02:41:57.000The idea that somehow being surveilled makes us safer, you can simply point to the example of the Soviet Union under Stalin and his predecessors, or the folks who came after him.
02:42:07.000And you can say, did that make them safer?
02:42:10.000Being watched, being observed, having their phone calls and their mail intercepted, having everything they did watched, did not make them safer.
02:42:16.000Actually, that was the bloodiest, most ruthless regime in the 20th century.
02:42:21.000And Stalin's government killed 60 million of its own people for opposing the government.
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02:43:03.000We've got our website at nocards.org, and No Cards is the one that talks all about the supermarket cards and how they're using Uh... dossiers of information on the food purchases that you make, how that information gets stored and used against people, and how it's just anti-liberal.
02:43:37.000The RFID reader devices, people who have heard me before know that there's a plan afoot to put a tiny RFID tracking device into every consumer product manufactured on earth to replace the barcode.
02:43:48.000They love to have it this year, but they're behind.
02:43:59.000Down the road, they'd like every pair of socks, every Calvin Klein sweatshirt, every pen in your pocket to have one of these RFID tags in it.
02:44:06.000And the question really is, well, don't worry about the privacy implications, folks, because the reader devices, it's not like we're going to have reader devices everywhere.
02:44:14.000Well, we've done some digging around, and this is all revealed in our book, Spy Chips, coming out in October.
02:44:19.000We did some digging around and we found that the companies that manufacture those anti-theft portals and doorways at, you know, regular retail stores, you walk through and it sets off the alarm.
02:44:29.000Well, they've already said they're going to put those in, yeah.
02:44:33.000The two companies that make them, Checkpoint and Sensormatic, are migrating those to become RFID readers.
02:44:39.000So what that means is they can slip an RFID tag into the loyalty card in your wallet, into your passport, into your shoe, the layers between your shoe, into the label of your clothing, all of which we've seen, by the way.
02:44:51.000And as you walk through that security portal that you think is just an anti-theft device, they could be scanning you head to toe and identifying you in a secure way.
02:45:23.000When he sat there and waited until the Pentagon got hit, because a domestic military installation got hit, he automatically gets war powers.
02:45:32.000So sitting there biding his time allowed him to not have to go to Congress to Control the media to, you know, wage war whenever he wants to, wherever he wants to.
02:45:44.000Chips will make you as secure as the cameras did, so that'll help with the London bombing.
02:45:48.000As far as making people take them, let's say there's a bio-attack, and the only way that you can get your vaccination is if you get your microchip.
02:45:59.000Actually, it was Tommy Thompson who said everybody needs to be forced to take the injection.
02:46:03.000Well, hey, you might not take it right away and you might resist it for a little while until your neighbor gets sick and dies or a cousin gets sick and dies and then you'll be standing in line with everybody else waiting to get it.
02:46:14.000Receiving the transformation, the blessing.
02:46:28.000Well, from my research, Applied Digital's debt is owned predominantly by IBM.
02:46:34.000So it's really, I mean, look, I've looked into it, and I'm sure you have too, Catherine, that all your other big computer companies, Motorola, IBM, they've all been developing sub-thermal chips too, quote, in R&D.
02:46:46.000So it seems like really, Applied Digital is the front to prance around promoting it.
02:46:55.000You know, if you look at Applied Digital's history, there's been some research that's been kind of interesting into all of the sort of financial shenanigans.
02:47:03.000There's a lot of people who think it's just a stock scam.
02:47:07.000You know, that literally they're putting... I mean, I'll give you some evidence.
02:47:10.000Back in October, October 12th of 2004, when they announced their FDA approval, that the FDA had actually approved the use of this as a medical implant, some of the key folks in the company, some of the key stockholders divested themselves of their stock after that announcement.
02:47:26.000Now, it would seem to me that when you get a big publicly, you know, positive announcement, like, now that's the time you buy more stock, not the time you cash out.
02:47:33.000You know, I'm really questioning how serious these folks are about their long-term business.
02:47:38.000I think IBM sued them, too, over that.
02:47:40.000Well, they've been sued by all kinds of folks, and they've had a turnover.
02:47:45.000They've got a revolving door over there with some of their senior managers.
02:47:48.000They've got the Pentagon and Thompson all about promoting for them.
02:47:53.000Remember when the Chimpsons got chipped?
02:47:54.000That was on every TV channel everywhere, and it was so positive, and their stock plunged by like 90%?
02:48:01.000Yeah, well, they did a stock split that actually changed the value of their stock.
02:48:06.000They've done lots of stock shenanigans over the years, so you can go back.
02:48:09.000There's lots of evidence on that company of, you know, they've gotten reprimand letters from federal agencies.
02:48:16.000I mean, they've been in trouble over the years.
02:48:18.000Catherine, we could trust you if you had a chip.
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02:53:52.000I mean, I do that all the time and it goes up there on the site.
02:54:13.000I just wanted to know if anyone has even thought about making some sort of RF jammer.
02:54:19.000They have things that fry them and erase them, but Kathryn comments.
02:54:24.000Well, you've got two different things.
02:54:26.000One is jamming the reader devices, which would be a violation of FCC regulations and would land you probably some serious fines and possibly even prison time.
02:54:34.000So even if you can find a way to do it, probably not the best idea because it's easy to pinpoint the location.
02:55:05.000Yeah, and your other problem is if you, you know, these things are going into Michelin tires, these things are going into things that are a little too big to stick in your microwave.
02:55:13.000You know, ultimately they want to put these into cash, and if you put that in the microwave and blew out the chip, you would essentially invalidate your cash.
02:55:19.000Yeah, they admit that Europe and the U.S.
02:55:21.000and the Japanese are testing this right now.
02:55:23.000Looking into it, and, you know, but the problem is that you don't want your cash to be trackable, you kill the chip.
02:55:28.000You just invalidated your $100 bill because it's in there to prevent counterfeiting, and that's how they validate that it's real.
02:55:34.000So down the road, you know, killing chips may not be your best bet.
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