In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, Alex Jones takes a deep dive into the dark history of the Bush administration and the events that took place in the wake of Hurricane Katrina and the aftermath of the disaster in New Orleans, Louisiana.
00:00:26.000It is Wednesday, the 14th day of September 2005.
00:00:32.000We're going to be live for the next three hours.
00:00:37.000Member of Parliament, formerly number three in the Blair government, Michael Meacher, who I interviewed in the United Kingdom a month or so ago, will be joining us for a full hour.
00:00:49.000To talk about the neocons, to talk about 9-11, to talk about the London bombings, to talk about their entire global agenda, and how to stop them.
00:01:02.000Michael Meacher resigned from the Blair government, refusing to go along with the lies on the eve of the Iraq war.
00:01:12.000And so he will be joining us Coming up, again, in the second hour, we're going to have wide open phones today.
00:01:19.000The toll-free number to join us is 1-800-259-9231.
00:01:22.000You're free to call in about any issue you wish.
00:01:28.000Fuel prices, the aftermath of Katrina, the unfolding reports of mass gun confiscations still ongoing in New Orleans.
00:01:41.000You're welcome to call in about any issue you wish.
00:01:45.000Requested only 455 buses to rescue 20,000, then canceled the order altogether.
00:01:54.000And that's from the Wall Street Journal.
00:01:58.000As bodies were covered, reporters were told, no photos, no stories.
00:03:04.000This is a reprint of the article from the Times-Picayune.
00:03:09.000Nagan announces major overhaul of City Hall, new Homeland Security office to oversee cops, firemen, emergency agencies, and admits the feds were taking over.
00:03:22.000Bush has now taken responsibility for blunders after he made two or three people fall on the sword.
00:03:28.000It didn't work, so now he'll take responsibility, but there won't be any ramifications for Bush.
00:03:36.000The government all the time, you know, I take full responsibility.
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00:08:36.000And Henry Kissinger earlier this year, about what, six months ago, said, we're going to be paying $150 a barrel by next year.
00:08:50.000Now, every prediction, every statement that's come out of his disgusting mouth at the Bilderberg Group that our spies have been able to get a hold of have come true.
00:09:07.000I mean, just everything keeps happening like clockwork.
00:09:11.000The predictions of Jim Tucker over and over again, via Henry Kissinger and other slime bags, Inside the Bilderberg Group, just keep coming true.
00:09:21.000And if fuel hits $150 a barrel, you'll be paying $8 a gallon here in this country.
00:09:27.000And by the way, why do they pay $8 in England, $6 in Germany, $5 a gallon in Japan?
00:09:57.000The same people that own the drug companies own the prisons, own the military companies that supply the weapons systems, the defense contractors.
00:10:12.000By the way, I've never aired this song, and I... Every time I go on Coast to Coast AM, To talk about 9-11, or to talk about the New World Order, or to talk about the British government being involved in the bombings in England.
00:10:27.000Or when I went on to talk about the Madrid bombing.
00:10:29.000They play this inside job song by Don Henley.
00:10:39.000I haven't really been paying much attention to music the last few years, so I wasn't really aware of this song.
00:10:44.000And I'd heard Coast to Coast AM play the Inside Job theme, but I had never heard the entire song.
00:10:50.000Well, some of our listeners took video clips from my documentaries and other documentaries and put them together under This is Don Henley's song, Inside Job, and so I had a chance this morning over at PrisonPlanet.com, where we've linked to the little video montage, to actually hear the whole song.
00:11:22.000They stole our right to stand up and speak and be heard.
00:11:26.000And they're going to do it over and over and over again until we stop them.
00:11:31.000So, There are so many big musical artists right now, whether they're hip-hop or rock and roll or Christian films, exposing government involvement in 9-11.
00:11:45.000But to have somebody of Don Henley's stature Clearly telling it like it is and not mincing words is amazing.
00:11:55.000And no wonder I haven't heard this on the radio.
00:12:37.000A place is where you used to play It was an inside job By the world connected Your inner protest So merrily rejected It was an inside job Like it always is Chocolate
00:13:03.000To this as a future world While you were dreaming This little island disappeared
00:13:30.000While you were looking the other way They'll take your right To own your own ideas And if an inside job Be the same Your protest Have left you a prediction With an inside job
00:13:58.000Like it always is Just chalk it up To this day That you were You think that you're so fun But you don't have a few clues What those there have been the towers Are doing to me and you And they'll keep doing it Doing it Doing it Doing it Doing it Doing it Doing it Doing it Until we all wake up
00:15:02.000I know how hard it is to always walk out in the light.
00:15:08.000And it's an inside job to learn about forgiving.
00:15:13.000It's an inside job To hang on to when you're ever living They know the road by which you came They know your mother's main name And what you had for breakfast What you had to live the message In sex politics It's different universe Make your head against the world
00:15:41.000But empathy is worse It's an inside jump Yeah, yeah
00:17:14.000And while we were sleeping, they did it!
00:17:19.000And, uh, clearly talking about this whole police state, this whole New World Order coming down on us.
00:17:26.000I mean, you'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind Not to see the magnitude of the corruption and the tyranny that we're facing right now.
00:17:38.000Alright, there are just myriad reports on energy, huge new developments coming out on Katrina, Bush is taking responsibility but then making excuses.
00:17:48.000Okay, well, you know, I'm at fault, but here's why.
00:17:55.000Bush is falling on his sword for those above him!
00:17:58.000Just like Brown below him fell on his sword the day before.
00:18:03.000Because they can try to put perfume on a pig, they can try to dress it up and make excuses for what happened in New Orleans and surrounding areas of the Gulf Coast.
00:18:13.000This was an inside job and the people saw it for what it was this time.
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00:24:09.000Member of Parliament, number three in the Blair government resigned on the eve of the Iraq War, Michael Nietzsche, for a full hour interview.
00:24:17.000Had to twist his arm to get that, folks.
00:24:21.000They're used to five-minute interviews over there.
00:24:33.000Well, I hear people calling in on your show about churches and how they're corrupted by government and New World Order dominance, and they always ask what to do and where to go.
00:24:43.000Now, I have a website, and I want to give that website out with some solutions to, you know, the various questions that people have about, you know, what to do about the churches and so on.
00:24:57.000We here in this land have been invaded from within and without, and Almighty Yahweh has withdrawn protection.
00:25:05.000So, this calls for prayer for the healing of our nation.
00:25:10.000But there are three good things that people could do.
00:25:13.000There's more than that on the website.
00:25:14.000Okay, well, tell us the three good things.
00:25:17.000Okay, this is only three of many, and I'm trying to be short, you know, make it a quick call here.
00:25:23.000One is make copies of Alex Jones' videos and give them out.
00:25:28.000Well, I don't know how Alex feels about this, but with a disclaimer, at the end of the video that you make a copy of, you might use a camcorder or something, and make a disclaimer and say, this is not part of Alex Jones' video.
00:25:41.000And you can get some spiritual information out.
00:26:01.000Actually, you can do it with your own printer if you have a computer or you can go to... Yeah, and millions of people doing that, it's just unbelievably powerful.
00:26:10.000Right, and on that paper, ask people who get it to make copies and give their copies of that out.
00:26:16.000Alright, if that's number one, I guess number two is the... Number two and number three Come out from her, my people, Revelation 18.4.
00:26:26.000If you've got a problem with a church, if it's government controlled, which most of them are, and I've been running around looking for churches, just start your own group.
00:27:37.000I just wanted to call to tell you there's a guy, rap artist, Anubis, And this guy has a song called How Come with a sample from Martial Law, 9-11 rise of the police state in it.
00:27:50.000I know that there are literally 30 or 40 songs and music I've been sent where people play clips of the films and I know that even, I mean I've been told by the folks that produce those Eminem videos that Eminem You know, he made several films that make allusions to government involvement.
00:28:13.000He made several videos that made mention of government involvement in 9-11, and that he primarily got that from my material.
00:28:22.000I mean, I'm flattered by that, but it just shows that individually, all of us can affect change, and that more and more people are getting on board every day.
00:28:53.000I'm sure you saw him on the news, that lawyer, Ashton O'Dwyer, down there, who was telling the Feds where to get off.
00:29:02.000Yeah, Ashton DeWire, and I actually watched that clip and forgot to tell my webmasters to post it, and he's sitting there in this big million dollar house, local lawyer, and he says, look, if you cross this line, I'm going to kill you.
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00:32:56.000Continuing with open phones, any issue or item you wish to discuss, you're welcome to give us a call at 800-259-9231.
00:33:12.000Member of Parliament, Michael Meacher, coming up in the next hour to talk about a host of vital issues from 9-11 to the Iraq War and the lies that took us there.
00:33:25.000Peter, continue with the point you were making.
00:33:28.000of the handling of the Katrina disaster.
00:33:31.000In fact, I'll be covering some of the new developments on Katrina and several other news items here in a few minutes, but let's continue quickly with your calls.
00:33:39.000Peter, continue with the point you were making.
00:33:41.000Yeah, had Ashton decided to open fire, he would have had a historical precedent on his side, and that would have been the Concord Bridge at Lexington, April 19, 1774.
00:33:55.000Well, for those that didn't see the clip, and we don't have the clip here, though we should, why don't you describe for folks the video clip you saw?
00:34:04.000Well, I saw it on the news, and he was saying, essentially, hey, I'm okay.
00:34:48.000So, uh, you know, they... So basically, he got up there and made these statements, and then they said, well, we're not going to put up with that.
00:34:54.000But notice, while they're attacking, while the gun confiscation is continuing, all over New Orleans, the middle class areas and working class areas, rich areas, areas that weren't even, you know, deluged, areas that never had water in them, areas that are 100%, still, They're going in and confiscating the guns.
00:35:16.000Meanwhile, they say, okay, we're not doing that now.
00:36:19.000There's no reason to give that background.
00:36:22.000But see, that's how my weird brain works.
00:36:24.000I thought of National Geographic, and I thought then to describe why I take the dehumanizing anti-freedom publication, and then it popped in my head that Oh, my grandfather gave me that publication.
00:36:58.000Now I certainly am running around in rabbit trails.
00:37:01.000But regardless, the caller brings up these wilderness areas and these UN biospheres and all of this Agenda 21 world government business.
00:37:13.000A few years ago, I was reading National Geographic, and they showed armed troops from somewhere in Asia, I forget where now, armed troops guarding thousands and thousands of acres from, quote, human encroachment.
00:37:32.000And it said that they shoot any humans that come into the area foraging for food or anything else.
00:37:40.000And the argument is, well, they're guarding this incredibly vital environment.
00:37:46.000They're guarding the environment from poachers.
00:37:49.000Well, major independent studies show that the poachers tend to be the guards, because they've got the trucks, they can get in and out, they've got the guns.
00:37:57.000Point is, you're not going to stop it.
00:37:59.000But this is what we're going to see in America.
00:38:03.000In fact, they've already taken parks in Austin.
00:38:06.000Where you could go and they just put signs up saying no human activity, no humans allowed, environmental area under regrowth and repair.
00:38:20.000If you go look at the encyclopedia at the definition of, and the description of feudalism, it's where the elite keeps you on tiny plots of land.
00:38:30.000It's always for the environment, always to keep the forest or the fields up.
00:38:34.000Why the horrible rabble just destroy it.
00:38:37.000Look at what they do with the commons.
00:38:40.000That's what they call parks in the feudal era.
00:38:46.000And that's all we're going to live under today, is neo-feudalism.
00:39:04.000Yeah, you know, it's one thing for you to encourage your listeners not to hold George Bush accountable for his personal decisions that he makes as an individual.
00:39:12.000It's another thing to do as you did yesterday, which was lie about my circumstance and the political state of reality here in Canada.
00:39:34.000And that was the intent of your demon leader there.
00:39:37.000Now our legal system, and it hasn't been two years, it's been four.
00:39:41.000But there are Forces in this world who are working to have me incarcerated in probably a Guantanamo type situation just because I air the facts as they stand irrespective of anybody's opinion.
00:39:59.000It's American soldiers' demand by firepower to defend those officers and to demand the immediate arrest of those we know who participated in the terrorist act of 9-11.
00:40:12.000Alright, I'm going to put you on hold because I hear the growling in your voice, John.
00:40:20.000John calls in every few months and he basically, I could have a tape recording of it, he repeats the exact same words.
00:40:28.000And he talks about his case three and a half years ago, whatever, where he gets on the radio and talks about General Amoud Ahmed, the head of Pakistani intelligence, who wired $100,000 to Mohammed Hanna, and who for the week before 9-11, the second trip in his life to the U.S., was meeting with the heads of the CIA and the FBI and at the White House, and on the morning of 9-11, he was having breakfast
00:40:54.000With Porter Goss and Senator Graham, Bob Graham of Florida, and the staffer walks in and says the towers have been attacked and they say, we know.
00:41:07.000And then he calls in and he says, I reported on this, I talked about the news articles, and I talked about MSNBC, which is a real article, it's in my films, about 9-11, And I talked about MSNBC where Bush had the launch orders to attack Afghanistan on his desk two days before 9-11 and our troops were massing.
00:41:30.000And so I say, okay sir, tell us your name, tell us about your case so we can try to help you.
00:41:37.000And he says, no, I'm not going to tell you my name.
00:41:38.000And then he calls back a few months later and tells the same story.
00:41:43.000And then I just talked about Canada, where if you say that 5,999,000 Jews died, you were arrested and will spend decades in prison.
00:42:02.000David Icke really thinks it's space aliens.
00:42:04.000But if we're talking about UFOs, they came and detained him and wouldn't let him go give speeches and then people harassed him and pied him and radio stations cancelled interviews with him.
00:42:14.000I mean, that's how crazy it is, folks.
00:42:16.000Even people that believe UFOs are in control of things can't go to Canada.
00:42:21.000And there's just been hundreds of articles, so it's kind of a... You got your liberal jackboot, you got your neocon jackboot, and the caller goes, that criminal George Bush!
00:42:36.000The last two years of Bill Clinton's administration, I said, he's a puppet, he's nothing.
00:42:42.000They're going to put Bush in, and then he's going to continue the agenda, and conservatives aren't going to care.
00:42:49.000Just like Bush will leave office and they'll put a Democrat in and suddenly the Democrats aren't going to care about checkpoints and FEMA camps and secret arrest.
00:43:43.000Guess where half our videos get stopped and smashed and mailed back to us, or we actually get letters back saying this is deemed to be terrorist propaganda.
00:43:52.000I mean, I have gotten the customs forms back with confiscated videos, or without the videos, or with broken videos, or with the package.
00:44:47.000The main point I'm getting at is all of America, American men, will not stand up as men to say Bush said Saddam didn't let the inspectors in.
00:45:29.000John, John, John, John, I'll say this and I appreciate your call.
00:45:33.000You can call back in a few days and have some more time.
00:45:36.000I gotta be fair to the other callers and got news to cover and a guest coming up.
00:45:39.000But look, When I got up here and said that Bush has fallen on his sword and taken responsibility for the hurricane, when I make the statement that he too was a puppet, just like the head of FEMA Brown was, I'm not absolving Bush of guilt.
00:46:03.000I mean, when the police bust a major murder gang, the low-level people go to jail just as much as the high-level ones.
00:46:12.000And obviously, Bush is high-level, but he's still a puppet.
00:46:15.000He's a high-level functionary, a high-level puppet or figurehead.
00:46:21.000And so, Bush falling on his sword is just like Brown doing it.
00:46:29.000And Brown didn't really apologize, and Bush didn't really apologize.
00:46:32.000He said, well, you know, in the final equation, things could have been better, and I'm the boss, so that's my fault.
00:46:40.000But, you know, we did a pretty darn good job, blah blah blah.
00:46:44.000I mean, that is a desperate attempt to just shut blame away from this criminal system itself.
00:46:56.000Alright, this next clip, this clip is an AP video report concerning FEMA drills and FEMA studies That had been done, where 60,000 people die.
00:47:13.000If a Category 3 hurricane hit the New Orleans coastline.
00:47:19.000Also, there was another FEMA study where 500,000 died.
00:47:23.000That was in the Houston Chronicle during hurricane season last year.
00:47:28.000And so they knew this, and they did not build up the levees.
00:47:41.000Nobody knows exactly how many have died because of Hurricane Katrina.
00:47:45.000As of Friday, the five-state death toll was 337.
00:47:49.000Officials expect that number to soar as toxic water drains from New Orleans, revealing submerged corpses.
00:47:56.000But what about an estimate of 61,290 people?
00:48:00.000That's the number of dead projected by a chilling government simulation called Hurricane Pam.
00:48:05.000The year-long project on the fictitious storm was meant to prepare federal and state officials for a Category 3 hurricane hitting the Gulf Coast.
00:48:13.000Completed just days before the Category 4 Hurricane Katrina, the 412-page report eerily foresaw the devastation and the aftermath.
00:48:22.000The Associated Press obtained a copy of the plan, which predicted 10 feet of flooding in New Orleans, a catastrophic mass evacuation, and more than 60,000 dead, nearly 400,000 injured or ill, and 500,000 people homeless.
00:48:34.000400,000 injured or ill, and 500,000 people homeless.
00:48:39.000The report also anticipated all 40 medical facilities in the area would be isolated and Local officials would be quickly overwhelmed with the casualties, and large sections of Louisiana would be left uninhabitable for more than a year.
00:48:53.000Under the direction of FEMA, federal and state officials began working on the Hurricane Pam project in July 2004, and reported their initial findings last December.
00:49:02.000FEMA Director Michael Brown said a lack of money prohibited his agency from following up on the report before Katrina.
00:49:09.000But officials in New Orleans say they are now implementing some of the things they learned from the process.
00:49:13.000We have practiced with the Hurricane Pam scenario that they asked us to work with and over the past two years all the officials in Louisiana and Mississippi have used that as a model.
00:49:26.000Hurricane Pam planners got a lot right in their predictions.
00:49:30.000They hope they're wrong about the death toll.
00:50:26.000And we'll get into some of those reports later after Michael Meacher leaves us.
00:50:29.000We'll try to jam a few calls in on the other side of this break.
00:50:32.000Hit a few news items concerning the hurricane, but... See, even when the government screws up, they're going to get more funds, more police state control.
00:50:39.000So it looks like on the surface they're getting the black eye.
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00:54:13.000The Wall Street Journal is reporting, and as bodies are recovered, despite the order of a federal judge, the black ski mask police are still telling reporters, no photos, no stories.
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00:56:58.000FEMA requested only 455 buses to rescue 20,000 people, then canceled the order altogether.
00:57:06.000As the director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency stepped down yesterday, government documents surfaced showing that vital resources, such as buses and environmental health specialists, weren't deployed to the Gulf region for several days, even after federal officials seized control of Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.
00:57:27.000In addition, FEMA's official request, known as Tasking Assignments, and used by the Agency to Demand Help from other government agencies, Demand, you notice, showed that it first asked the Department of Transportation to look for buses to help evacuate the more than 20,000 people who had taken refuge in the Superdome.
00:57:47.000But then, within hours, that request was cancelled.
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00:59:10.000It's well known that I don't gush over guests.
00:59:27.000But I gotta tell ya, being over in England a month and a half ago covering the tragic London bombings, I had a chance to interview a former MI5 agent, and of course his partner, David Shaler.
00:59:42.000And I had a chance to interview, you know, hundreds of Londoners on the street.
00:59:48.000But getting to go to the home of Member of Parliament Michael Meacher, who was a member of the Blair Cabinet, and who resigned on the eve of the Second Gulf War in 1993.
01:00:00.000He was just such a gentleman, and it was an amazing interview.
01:00:04.000Because it was so important, we put excerpts of it on the website, InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, and that's going to be in an upcoming documentary that we're going to be airing in different areas of the United States.
01:00:17.000But we are joined by Michael Meacher, who is in London, and we're going to talk about the London bombings, we're going to talk about 9-11, we're going to talk about the lies that led us into the war, and the continual lies today here in the next 60 minutes, and we're going to open the phones up.
01:00:35.000Mr. Meacher, it's great to have you with us.
01:00:38.000I'm very pleased indeed to be with you.
01:00:41.000Before we get going, what is near and dear to your heart?
01:00:46.000What do you think the most important thing currently happening is that we should discuss?
01:00:53.000I think the consequences of 9-11 continue to resonate across the world and for those of us who believe that the attack on Iraq
01:01:06.000Was done, it was unprovoked, it was illegal, and it was done on the back of 9-11, on the grounds that there was a connection between 9-11 and Iraq, which there certainly is not, never been proven, and in view of what has happened in Iraq ever since, the geopolitical effects of this, of course a massive impact in Britain as well, much talk about whether it could affect the tenure of Prime Minister Blair,
01:01:35.000And, of course, the continuing effects in the United States, which combined, I suppose, with Katrina and the whole issue of the Kyoto Protocol and climate change, I mean, these are massive issues.
01:01:51.000And I am one of those who believe passionately that we need a very different kind of world order, other than the one which has been put forward by Western leaders at the present time.
01:02:01.000And I think the way events are shaping are increasingly pushing the world in that direction.
01:02:09.000When you talk about a world order, Bush and his neocon cronies and his corporate controllers, they want a new world order.
01:02:16.000And then you have people in the EU and others that talk about another type of world order.
01:02:23.000And of course, later we can debate whether the same individuals control both of those world orders.
01:02:28.000But in a nutshell, what is the world order that George Bush wants?
01:02:33.000Well, I think the world order that he is seeking has been made very clear.
01:02:39.000It is in the document called Project for the New America Century.
01:02:44.000Which was published in the September 2000 presidential election that brought President Bush into office.
01:02:54.000It was supported by, of course, all the leading neocons, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, Louis Libby, and all the others.
01:03:04.000Now what it says, very clearly, and this is their sort of manifesto, I think, for the Bush presidency, It refers to the fact that the US must discourage advanced industrial nations, for that I presume one means Japan and the EU, from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.
01:03:27.000Uh, it says even, and this is very significant, even should Saddam pass from the scene, U.S.
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01:06:57.000All right, for stations that just joined us, Michael Meacher was a senior member of Blair's Michael Meacher was a senior member of Blair's cabinet, his environment minister.
01:07:17.000And I had a chance to sit down with Michael Meacher for about an hour in a video interview I did for a documentary I'm making when I was in England just a few months ago.
01:07:33.000But we are extremely honored to have him here on air with us today to talk about a whole host of issues.
01:07:40.000You know, he wrote an article a couple years ago for the London Guardian, The War on Terror is Bogus, where he went over the PNAC plans, and where he talked about General Amoud Ahmed meeting with the heads of intelligence, and basically all the suspicious goings-on that developed there.
01:07:58.000But of course he's better known for resigning from the Blair government on the eve of the invasion of Iraq simply because on its face it was a manifestly illegal war.
01:08:12.000Now in hindsight we know just how incredibly illegal it was and how intelligence was manufactured at the White House, at the Pentagon, at 10 Downing Street, And even Colin Powell has had to apologize and said that his speech at the United Nations is a black mark on his record.
01:08:34.000And I agree with George Galloway, who we had on last Friday, also a Member of Parliament, when he said it's a big, bloody mark.
01:08:44.000And so for the next 15 minutes, roughly, we are joined by Michael Meacher.
01:08:49.000Michael, if we can, let's go back to the eve of the Gulf War, why you gave up this incredibly powerful position with all of the esteem that came with it.
01:09:05.000And now, you may think that the public all knows the tales of the Iraq War.
01:09:10.000A lot of them don't, especially from your unique position from the Catbird seat in British government.
01:09:18.000You know, give us the climate that caused you to resign, and then, in hindsight, your comments on Iraq, and now, where you see us going in the future with Iran and Syria.
01:09:30.000You know, the neocons aren't done yet.
01:09:32.000Well, first of all, the war started on, I think, the 19th of March 2003, as you said, just over two years ago.
01:09:42.000We did not have any debate in the British Parliament until, I think, the night before.
01:09:48.000There had been enormous resistance building up in the Labour Party, the governing party in Britain.
01:09:55.000There had been demands for an explanation, there had been Continuous demands to Tony Blair as the Prime Minister at question time in Parliament every Wednesday to explain whether a decision had been taken, why we were going to war when there wasn't a second resolution in the UN which justified it.
01:10:14.000The lawyers were clearly very dubious about it.
01:10:18.000We now know that the Foreign Office senior lawyers have later resigned on the grounds that they believe that there was not the justification.
01:10:26.000Now on the day Of the actual debate, just before war started, 139 Labour MPs voted against a three-line whip.
01:10:36.000A three-line whip is a requirement laid down by the leaders of the party that you have to obey the vote and support the government.
01:10:47.000And, of course, there were several people from the government who resigned, but there was a huge number of people in the Parliamentary Labour Party, well over a third, who believed that this was a wrongful war, that it was unprovoked and it was illegal, and it was in those circumstances that many of us acted.
01:11:12.000Well, I think we have been totally vindicated to a degree to which at that time I think most of us were not aware.
01:11:20.000I have to say, and I'll be honest about this, I believed what was said by the US and the UK government about weapons of mass destruction at that time, when of course we now know that neither the US government nor the UK government actually believed at that time what they were saying.
01:11:41.000We know that Richard Perle, one of the neocons, has let the cat out of the bag by saying that, of course, it never was about weapons of mass destruction.
01:11:49.000The US government never believed this.
01:11:51.000And in the case of the UK, we know that MI5, which is our secret intelligence agency, was warning the Prime Minister that the evidence on which he was basing his case was weak and fragmentary.
01:12:07.000The civil servants and the scientists who were most knowledgeable in the area were very uncertain as to what weaponry Saddam Hussein had.
01:12:17.000And indeed MI6 was warning the Prime Minister that to go to war, if one was worried about terror in the world, it would actually increase the prospects of Islamic terror rather than reduce it.
01:12:31.000Now this is what they were being told privately and secretly, but that's not what they were saying publicly.
01:12:37.000And I think we have been totally and utterly vindicated.
01:12:40.000I think Iraq has turned out to be a complete disaster.
01:12:45.000I think it's going to be incredibly difficult to get out of it, but I think this is an unwinnable war.
01:12:50.000I think the insurgency is probably actually steadily increasing, and I think in the end there is going to have to be a withdrawal, but I hope that is on the basis of a government which is able to keep some law and order within the country, but given the divisions between the Sunni, the Shia and the Kurds,
01:13:11.000And the way enormous efforts are being made by the American authorities to bring them together, and of course I support those efforts, but they are clearly, up to now, wholly unsuccessful.
01:13:21.000And I think it has unleashed an attitude amongst the Muslim population around the world, and many of the Arab countries, which has severely damaged the image of America and of Britain.
01:13:37.000I think we need to be very careful About saying exactly what lay behind the Madrid bombings or the London bombings.
01:13:45.000I think it's very facile to say it was for this reason or that, but I don't think there is any doubt at all that the slaughter in Iraq and the television pictures and all the newscasts that we've heard in this country and Europe Undoubtedly we're one of the factors, and perhaps a key factor, which lay behind the bombings.
01:14:05.000It is terrible that this has happened, but of course the real problem is there is not necessarily any end of it.
01:14:13.000Whether I trust God there are going to be no further bombings in the UK, but of course none of us knows.
01:14:18.000And exactly the same must be true in the US.
01:14:22.000Again, we're talking to Michael Meacher, who was at the highest levels of the Blair government and resigned on the eve of the war.
01:14:31.000Michael, is it fair to say that you and the third of the Labor Party, and even some conservatives and Tories who were against it, were against it because Saddam It clearly wasn't a threat, but at the same time you say that you were believing the government, Blair's government, when he said that they knew they had the weapons.
01:14:54.000I mean, why specifically were you against the war if you were believing their line about WMDs?
01:15:01.000Well, I believe what the Prime Minister said in statements he made at the House of Commons.
01:15:07.000One always assumes that the leader of a country has received the top intelligence briefings, rather like the PDB, President's Daily Briefing in the United States, that the leader is Giving the very best information which is available and that it is as accurate as it is possible to be.
01:15:30.000I just assumed that that was true and when we have lists of the alleged weaponry that Saddam Hussein had, I believed that he must have it and there could be some threat involved.
01:15:42.000What we now know is that those were lists of munitions which were unaccounted for.
01:15:48.000In other words, lists of weapons that he was thought to have had at the end of the First Gulf War in 1991, but which are unaccounted for since.
01:15:57.000And of course, as we now know, they were all destroyed.
01:16:00.000We were told that by the son-in-law of Saddam Hussein, who reneged to the West, and who made that absolutely clear, although it was denied at the time.
01:16:09.000Well, the incredible thing is, is that Camel said in the interviews, we destroyed them, but then our news media said, Camel says he has them.
01:16:21.000So folks, this is an inside look into the highest levels of the British government.
01:16:27.000Michael Meacher and his colleagues They literally thought that the intelligence agencies MI6 and Blair were telling them the truth.
01:16:35.000They were still against invading because they didn't think that he'd, you know, violated the agreements or that it was a big enough threat.
01:16:44.000And now, has this been a learning process, Mr. Meacher, for yourself and others?
01:16:48.000I know it's been a learning process for us here, but the government would knowingly, because we've got our own memos, we've got our own documents, Not just the Downing Street memos, where they premeditatedly... I mean, we've got Rumsfeld memos where he says even if Saddam's out, even if there's no weapons, we need to go ahead and invade to use that as a launch base.
01:17:09.000We have the PNAC documents, September 2000, where they say even if Saddam isn't there, As you mentioned earlier, we need to go ahead and invade that country to dominate the region.
01:17:20.000So we have the PMAC boys admitting, before the fact, what it was all about.
01:17:25.000Then we have their own documents conferring between 10 Downing Street and the White House on the eve of the war about, we gotta manufacture some evidence so this isn't illegal.
01:17:45.000Well, those are absolutely central questions.
01:17:48.000We do know now that the decision to go to war was taken at the Crawford Ranch in April 2002 when Blair came across and saw Bush And at least an informal understanding was made between them that the United States intended to go to war against Iraq and that Britain would give support.
01:18:11.000I think that that is not now challengeable.
01:18:14.000Both sides, both in the US and the UK, denied that the decision had been taken until virtually on the eve of the war.
01:18:26.000They tried to conceal them because they knew that those intentions would probably not have the support of either the American or the British nation.
01:18:36.000And as you rightly said, they continued to try and bring forward evidence which justified a political decision which had already been taken.
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01:23:32.000I mean, if they'll lie to us, premeditatedly, folks, I mean, we have the documents where, you know, we got a lot of the people, they're talking about it, planning it like criminals, and I guess you can answer the question for England, I don't know if I can answer the question here, but can you please elaborate on that for us?
01:23:50.000Well, after these facts began to come out in the month after the end of the war, and when the insurgency was getting worse, and when clearly there was very little planning for the reorganization of Iraq, there were intense questions asked in the British Parliament, because we do have question time when we can question ministers, including the Prime Minister, but we did not have a debate
01:24:18.000Because it is the government that controls the agenda in the House of Commons, and they frankly decline demands to have a debate to discuss the matter formally in the Parliament.
01:24:31.000In the end, the only debate that has taken place since the end of the war in April 2003, more than two years ago, occurred in July 2004, that is 15 months after the end of the war,
01:24:46.000It was just before Parliament went into recess for the summer and it was a very short debate which ended at seven in the evening not as normally at ten o'clock and above all under a particular part of the parliamentary procedure it wasn't a debate on a resolution namely that the government stands condemned for this and that or the government has acted well on behalf of this and that
01:25:15.000and people vote according to what they think at the end, there was no resolution put down for debate.
01:25:20.000It was just an open-ended discussion on Iraq.
01:25:23.000And it ended, crucially, without any vote.
01:25:27.000There has never been a vote in the British Parliament since the end of the Iraq War.
01:25:32.000That, I believe, is an astonishing failure of accountability.
01:25:39.000They have debates about funding every six months, and only increase the funding for this illegal, immoral war.
01:25:46.000And I don't know if you're aware of Pentagon documents like P2OG, but Rumsfeld actually talks about wanting things to be bad, wanting to balkanize.
01:25:54.000I mean, all empires try to seek to divide and conquer, And they want Iraq to be a miserable failure.
01:26:02.000That's actually a big win for the Anglo-American establishment led by the neocons.
01:26:09.000But here we've had them continually for two years plus.
01:26:14.000Reauthorize the funding for this, and now there's really no discussion of how we were lied to about WMDs.
01:26:23.000And Bush and members of his cabinet, Rumsfeld, have gotten up on TV and said it was never about WMDs.
01:26:30.000You know, you mentioned Richard Perle.
01:26:33.000I mean, how stupid do they think we are to say Rumsfeld says it's an urban legend?
01:26:38.000That he never said that, and then we've got hundreds of clips of him saying it.
01:26:44.000I mean, this really seems to be a new level of just cavalier, arrogant lying.
01:26:51.000Well, these are very powerful words you use, but it is very difficult to deny them.
01:26:58.000I think both in the US, I really cannot speak, of course, about the US, but in the UK, there has been a centralization of power around the executive, particularly around the Prime Minister, to a degree that I don't think we have probably known over the last century.
01:27:16.000I think the degree of patronage which is in the hands of the Prime Minister, the capacity to hire and fire according to loyalty, the control of documents, the capacity to appoint committees of inquiry.
01:27:34.000There were, of course, committees of inquiry in this country about the Iraq War.
01:27:39.000The first involved a committee led by someone called Lord Hutton, which was widely regarded as a whitewash.
01:27:47.000Uh, the second, uh, was run by the former head of the Civil Service, Lord Butler, but of course all the membership was actually chosen by the Prime Minister, uh, and it clearly, although it was a very rigorous analysis of what was wrong with the war, uh, there were virtually no recommendations, uh, for accountability about who should be responsible or who should be stood down because of it.
01:28:10.000And when we have the select committee for the House of Commons, which are the most powerful committee investigating it, the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, of course, does not have access to the secret intelligence data.
01:28:22.000The one committee that does have access to the secret intelligence data is, again, personally chosen by the Prime Minister.
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01:32:05.000That I could ask, and I know there's so many that you could bring up, and we've only got about 25 minutes left, so we'll have to kind of limit the length or the detail of the answers.
01:32:15.000But Mr. Meachur, I mean, reading your The War on Terror is Bogus article, you basically spell out all the connections between the Bushes and the Bin Ladens and the PNAC group, and, you know, these top generals and NORAD standing down, And then now we have Paul Craig Roberts, who was the number two at the Department of the Treasury, going public.
01:32:39.000We have Morgan Reynolds, who was number two at the Department of Labor, their chief economist, going public.
01:32:48.000And saying the way the towers fell is impossible.
01:32:51.000You have Blair and all this political trouble over Iraq, and the tragic London bombings happen, and then his approval ratings get a boost, and he says, see, this is why we're in Iraq.
01:33:02.000Meanwhile, it turns out that a MI6-controlled minion Uh, was, uh, this Aswat guy was protected, and is being protected by MI6, and then when they finally grab him, they say, oh, this is over immigration, we're not going to question him about the bombings, even though he made phone calls to both groups of supposed bombers.
01:33:25.000I mean, they're at your house after we did that interview.
01:33:27.000You started talking a little bit more about 9-11.
01:33:32.000Tell us from all the evidence what Michael Meecher really thinks about 9-11.
01:33:36.000Well, I think there are three questions about 9-11.
01:33:42.000Which I can raise, but I cannot fully answer and of course it is for the Bush administration to provide the answers.
01:33:49.000The first is, how is it that the Bush administration so completely failed to take account of the enormous amount of evidence before 9-11?
01:34:01.000No one said that there was going to be an attack with planes on the towers that morning, but the, well let me just quote,
01:34:11.000What was actually said by John Loftus that the information, John Loftus being the former US Federal Crimes Prosecutor, and this is what he said, the information provided by European Intelligent Services prior to 9-11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence.
01:34:36.000We know that Mossad has produced evidence about 200 extremists, Islamic persons in the United States who were clearly for watching.
01:34:46.000That included actually the names of four of the hijackers who were among the 20 or the 19 on the day.
01:34:54.000None of them were arrested, none of them were found.
01:34:57.000There was the evidence of the 20th hijacker, Mosawi, Who was captured because he was asking questions about flying heavy airliners which were very suspicious.
01:35:09.000The FBI said that they didn't want his computer examined.
01:35:12.000It is known now that it did contain some evidence which might have given leads to 9-11.
01:35:18.000Why is it that none of that was sufficiently followed up?
01:35:42.000No single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the U.S.
01:35:47.000Andrews Air Force Base, which is only 10 miles away from Washington, D.C., until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38.
01:35:56.000I just have to ask a question, why not?
01:35:58.000America is the most advanced military technological society in the world.
01:36:02.000For an hour and 20 minutes, no plane was put into the air.
01:36:05.000When you have F-16s, world-class fighter planes, only 10 miles away.
01:36:10.000I cannot answer that question, but it does need to be answered.
01:36:12.000Well another question is why did the White House call Mayor Willie Brown the night before and say don't flood in New York?
01:36:19.000Why did they call some of the Joint Chiefs of Staff the night before and tell them don't flood in New York?
01:36:24.000Why did CIA link companies to insider trading put options specifically on United and American at record levels?
01:36:32.000Why was the head of Pakistani intelligence who wired $100,000 to the supposedly hijacker Mohammed Anna?
01:36:39.000Why was he having breakfast with the heads of the House and Senate Intelligence Committee?
01:36:43.000Why did Bush have the orders on his desk to launch attacks on Afghanistan two days before 9-11?
01:36:49.000There are hundreds and hundreds of these points, and you hit the nail on the head.
01:36:54.000Bush said they had never heard of a plan to fly planes into buildings when they had specific reports on their desk weeks before and everybody knew about it.
01:37:07.000It was known as early as 1996, which is five years before that there were plans to hit Washington targets with airplanes.
01:37:15.000In 1999, a US National Intelligence Council report noted, and I quote, Al-Qaeda suicide bombers could crash land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the CIA, or the White House.
01:37:31.000National Intelligence Council in 1999.
01:37:33.000I mean, there was such overwhelming evidence, and the key point, the key point, I think, is that, of course, 9-11 provided a pretext.
01:37:45.000It provided a pretext for what they wanted to do all along.
01:37:49.000Paul O'Neill, the Treasury Secretary, indicated that from the first few days of the Bush Administration, in January 2001, the argument was not whether they were going to attack Afghanistan, particularly Iraq, but when, and how to do it.
01:38:03.000Well, Dick Cheney said, Dick Cheney said, find me links.
01:38:08.000I want to link Iraq to To these attacks when patently there were absolutely no connections in anybody's political lexicon.
01:38:19.000Absolutely, and the PNAC document, Project for a New America Century, which you commented on, written September 2000, just before Bush came into office, written by the neocons, says that the process of transforming the U.S.
01:38:35.000into tomorrow's dominant force, which is their phrase, is likely to be a long one, In the absence of, and I quote this phrase which is chilling, in the absence of some catastrophic and catalyzing event, dash like a new Pearl Harbor.
01:38:52.000And Zbigniew Brzezinski... The 9-11 attacks allowed the U.S.
01:38:57.000to press the go button for a strategy in accordance with that PNAC agenda which it would otherwise have been politically impossible to implement.
01:39:06.000It gave them the pretext to do what they want.
01:39:11.000There's no connection at all between 9-11 and Iraq, but they wanted to take control of Middle East oil, and they wanted the pretext to do it, and that's what 9-11 gave them.
01:39:26.000And the incredible thing is, is that they admit it's about oil and weapon sales, and Bush also told his biographer, if I'm a war president, nobody can question me, so it's about dictatorial powers here in America and across the world.
01:39:41.000But for those that just joined us, It's important to understand, these guys aren't through by a long shot, but before we get into what their future plans may be, with Michael Meacher, British Member of Parliament, and former cabinet member with Blair, before we go there, Bush says arrest anybody who's got connections to Bin Laden or Al Qaeda.
01:40:01.000Well, Saddam had no connections to Bin Laden or Al Qaeda.
01:40:05.000But Osama Bin Laden literally had hundreds of connections back into the seventies to the bushes and airports and oil companies and into 2000 and 2001 and Bush flying 161 Bin Ladens out of the country two days after 9-11 when all air traffic is grounded.
01:40:24.000I mean, Michael Meacher, can I get a quote from you on the connections between the Bushes and the Bin Ladens?
01:40:32.000There are very close Connections which have been spelt out in many documents, spelt out in books.
01:40:38.000The Bush family, the Bush father, grandfather and the Bin Ladens are very close.
01:40:48.000There is absolutely masses of documentary evidence to indicate that.
01:40:53.000And as you say, how in those circumstances, immediately after the atrocity on 9-11, All the members of his family, I'm sure the vast majority or nearly all of them knew nothing about it, but they may well have had evidence which was crucial to the American authorities in tracking down those who were responsible, but they weren't questioned.
01:41:17.000Because the Bush administration did not want 9-11 investigated.
01:41:23.000It had happened, it gave them politically, militarily what they wanted, and they didn't want anyone investigating their errors, their failures in the period leading up to it, or the quite extraordinary disorganization failure on the day.
01:41:40.000They just wanted to take advantage of what had happened.
01:41:44.000But, I mean, if you fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, and then mathematically it's many times Well, that, of course, is when you get into the whole question of conspiracy theory versus cock-up.
01:41:59.000have a million screw-ups in perfect order it doesn't look like failures to me well that of course is when you get into the whole question of conspiracy theory versus cock up I have to tell you from my long political experience I'm a great believer in cock up it nearly always is cock up However, having said that, it is certainly true in history that conspiracies do occur.
01:42:28.000Now, whether in this particular case there was a degree of facilitation of this is not something I'm going to comment on.
01:42:37.000Many people believe that that is true and I absolutely agree that the evidence is quite comprehensive It is pointing in a particular direction, but it is basically for the Bush administration to answer these central questions.
01:42:54.000What really angers me is the Keene Commission, which is the national approved body for investigating this, is, in my opinion, very largely a complete whitewash.
01:43:06.000I mean, how is it independent if it's appointed by Bush?
01:43:09.000Well, that's true, but also, for those who've read it, as I have, it is only the first chapter which goes into what happened in detail on the day, it raises several questions, but it doesn't answer them.
01:43:26.000And on the crucial question, for example, I mean, you were mentioning the whole question of the sort of, you mentioned Mr. Aswat, who is thought to be behind the London bombings, and the failure to question him because it is alleged by John Loftus and the failure to question him because it is alleged by John Loftus that perhaps he is a I mean, I don't know whether he is or not, but the fact is he's not been questioned.
01:43:49.000There is another Pakistani called Omar Sheikh, who is now in prison in Pakistan under threat of death for the murder of Daniel Pearl, a U.S. journalist, even though the American authorities, the FBI and Pearl's widow, don't believe that he was responsible.
01:44:07.000But the key point is that he is the person who is allegedly the one who was told by the head of the Pakistani Secret Intelligence Service to wire $100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the leading 9-11 hijacker, just before the attacks.
01:44:24.000That's been confirmed by Dennis Lorimel, who is the director of the FBI's Financial Crimes Unit, But the astonishing thing is that Omar Sheikh has never been brought to trial for what he knows about 9-11.
01:44:38.000I mean, why is it that Sybil Edmonds, who is this Translator in the FBI, who has a great deal of relevant information.
01:44:50.000She says she's now under two gag orders.
01:44:52.000That Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who's supposed to be the leading organizer for Bin Laden, who was arrested in Rawalpindi two years ago, never been brought to trial.
01:45:03.000I mean, he must know a great deal about 9-11.
01:45:06.000Why isn't he brought into public trial?
01:45:08.000Why isn't Omar Sheikh Well, they can't because they're intelligence agency bag men for the West who are funding and orchestrating attacks that would then be able to bring in this one world government that the neocons are trying to set up.
01:45:27.000I mean, that's where all the evidence points for me, Mr. Meacher.
01:45:58.000I think you're absolutely right that the neocons are utterly ruthless and despite all the reverses that have happened in Iraq, I certainly think they have their eyes on a further vision and it may well involve Iran.
01:46:15.000I did quote the PENAC document, which says that the US bases are necessary in the Middle East, quote, because Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has.
01:46:30.000Now, that certainly suggests that Iran may well be in their sights, and I'm quite sure that both for military, political, and above all energy, i.e.
01:46:41.000hydrocarbon oil reasons, the neocons intend to have permanent control, or at least for a very long period ahead, in the Middle East.
01:46:50.000And once again, we are looking for a pretext.
01:46:54.000And I think if a pretext were to happen, whatever that might be, I think we could see the possibility of an attack on Iran.
01:47:04.000I'm sure that it isn't going to be a military invasion like there was in Iraq.
01:47:08.000But the attempt to destabilize what is seen as the authoritarian rule of the mullahs is going to be replaced by a more pro-democratic and pro-U.S. government.
01:47:24.000strikes Iran, and they strike back, That is then going to be used as the pretext to have a full-out invasion, and the globalists are beating the drum here.
01:47:35.000The neocons are beating the drum here, saying that they do want to invade Iran, and laying out all of their different reasons of why this is going to be just so wonderful.
01:47:54.000government, at the request of British Petroleum, formerly Anglo-American Oil, openly blew up Mosque and shot people and blamed it on Mosaddegh to take him out of power.
01:48:04.000Our government openly attacked the U.S.' 's liberty with Israel to blame it on Egypt.
01:48:08.000I've had the admirals on, the former Chairman Joint Chiefs on.
01:48:12.000I mean, this is all... I mean, I've talked to the people on air when LBJ said, I want that ship going to the GD bottom.
01:48:21.000Michael, I've caught them over and over again pulling stuff, and I think they'll either finance some terrorists who don't even know who's financing them, like Gladio and other operations, or I think they'll carry out operations.
01:48:36.000I think the degree to which the US government uses proxies, for example getting Islamic Jihadists to fight in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union, then using again another Jihadi core against the Bosnian Muslims, to fight for the Bosnian Muslims and to weaken the third government's hold on Yugoslavia,
01:49:04.000I think that is a major reason why we have seen this push by many of the Islamic Jihadists into Western Europe.
01:49:13.000But I entirely agree with you that if you look at the PNAC document and other published documents which are in the public domain, I would see the PNAC document as being frankly a manifesto for US world domination.
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01:53:10.000We need to be clear here that when we talk about an American empire, we mean these big globalist private interests that are actually de-industrializing our country, that are actually setting up a police state.
01:53:23.000So many Americans I talk to think that they're going to be part of the empire.
01:54:18.000Skyler, Wayne, and others, we're about to go to your calls.
01:54:22.000But just briefly, I've got to ask this question, Michael Meacher.
01:54:25.000When you were about to resign, did Tony Blair try to stop you from leaving his government?
01:54:31.000Or after you resigned, did he say something to you?
01:54:34.000No, there was of course intense concern before the debate as to what members of the government would do and indeed whether the Labour Party would actually have a majority in the House of Commons because of course the government was actually backed by the Conservative opposition.
01:54:55.000If the Conservative opposition had voted against the government on that night Then actually the government would not have had a majority at all.
01:55:04.000But there was very great concern that we were winning a vote on the basis of the support from the opposition and not on the basis of support within our own party.
01:55:14.000So there was an enormous amount of discussion and clearly pressure which was put through the wits Uh, who are the party managers in the House to make sure that everyone supported the government.
01:55:29.000Uh, but I have to say, I was not personally approached, um, by, uh, Tony Blair.
01:55:34.000Um, and indeed immediately afterwards, uh, these things, uh, had happened.
01:55:38.000Have you ever talked to Blair since then?
01:55:48.000I've had quite a lengthy conversation, I suppose, which was about a whole variety of issues, including Britain's, what I would say, a fairly sycophantic attitude towards the United States.
01:56:03.000Well, the argument is, we bailed you out from Hitler so you better do what we say.
01:56:06.000and principles and the kind of civilization we have, but I believe that Britain, as other countries, should be prepared to say to an American administration that on this occasion we think you're wrong and we're not prepared to support you.
01:56:19.000And that is exactly what I think we should have said on this occasion.
01:56:21.000Well, the argument is we bailed you out from Hitler, so you better do what we say.
01:56:30.000As you say, first of all, that was 50 years ago.
01:56:33.000We were all fighting the menace of Nazism in Europe.
01:56:38.000But I think the idea that because the Americans who lend, the Americans who lend, lease the forces and a great deal of money and support at that time, which, of course, all of Europe remains deeply grateful for.
01:56:51.000Nevertheless, that cannot be a reason for supporting the United States if That administration takes upon itself to act illegally and to cause an unresolved war.
01:57:01.000Well the point is, Hitler was invading countries, Hitler was attacking and bombing London.
01:57:14.000So to compare Saddam Hussein to Hitler is a joke.
01:57:18.000I know, but I don't think this argument that you may not like going to war over Iraq, but we helped you against Hitler, so you've got to help us in Iraq.
01:57:26.000I don't think it was ever put in those terms.
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01:58:37.000What about national conscription or bringing back the old press games, Mr. Major?
01:58:43.000Well, that's a question which I'm aware has been raised in the United States as to whether there is an intention to bring back conscription.
01:58:50.000Of course, it's been denied, but you're saying that the legislation is already being prepared.
01:58:56.000Obviously, I think that that is possible, but you know more about it in the States, of course, than we do here.
01:59:01.000How long has it been since you had a national service in your country?
01:59:30.000Uh, yeah, well, I was just concerned because I'm of draft age and, you know, I don't really want to fight for the empire, but, hey, they do have really good free training, so... I don't know.
01:59:44.000Alright Scott, thank you for the call.
01:59:47.000Wayne in Kansas, go ahead Wayne, you're on the air.
01:59:50.000Hey, I'm a retired Army officer, 22 years, and I was pretty conservative until Bush got into office, then I became a Democrat and started protesting the war and all that stuff.
02:00:20.000Michael Meecher, you want to comment on that?
02:00:21.000Sorry, what is the point you're making?
02:00:24.000People are almost wearing Bush armbands.
02:00:28.000Weird bumper stickers, W is the President.
02:00:32.000Well of course, we've read here in Europe about those who've gone down to the Bush ranch Cindy Sheehan on one side, and of course the Bush supporters on the other.
02:00:46.000And it clearly seems to us that opinion is rapidly polarizing in the United States.
02:00:53.000As happens, as the situation gets more extreme, as the political pressures build up, the people on both sides become more strident, more extreme in their attitudes.
02:01:02.000And that may well be what is actually happening in the States.
02:01:45.000Let's get Michael Meacher's comment, Michael.
02:01:47.000Well, obviously the bad guy of 9-11 are those who actually committed the atrocity.
02:01:51.000I mean, let's be absolutely clear about that.
02:01:53.000But I do think that where something happens like this, the same happened with the London bombings, questions have got to be asked of the government of whether they had prior information sufficient to be able to try and prevent this happening.
02:02:08.000And I do think in the case of 9-11, the evidence is overwhelming.
02:02:13.000Uh, that the government knew an awful lot more than they have admitted to.
02:02:17.000Uh, whether they knew enough actually to stop it on the day, uh, well, that's not a question for me to answer.
02:02:23.000But they failed to follow up any of the data, any of the trail.
02:02:28.000And had they done so, I think there is a very reasonable possibility that 9-11 wouldn't have happened.
02:02:34.000Michael Major, let me say bye to you on the other side.
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02:05:49.000I want all the listeners out there in radio land and on the internet and cyberspace to know that we beat our brains out, working, digging, snooping, scrabbling around, fighting the New World Order.
02:06:09.000I'm constantly kicking myself and squeezing my crew To do more, and find more, and dig out more, and resist more.
02:06:18.000I'm constantly kicking myself that I'm not doing enough.
02:06:24.000The folks out there, you do so much emailing us stories and telling us what you saw on television and sending us video clips and calling local AM and FM stations that don't carry our show and telling them to carry the broadcast or thanking existing affiliates that we've had in many cases for years and years.
02:06:42.000I am so honored and humbled to be your host.
02:06:46.000I'm just an average person that understands how the elites operate, that understands their paradigm.
02:06:52.000If they screw up and do a horrible job on purpose in New Orleans, they get more funding, more power.
02:06:59.000If they allow terrorists to attack us, or fund the terrorists, or orchestrate the entire operation, as we know they did, they get more power and control.
02:07:07.000When they ship in heroin and cocaine, they get to make the money off it at the top, they get to militarize the police, they get to bust down your door looking for it, they get to put your teenager in prison, a private prison they own.
02:07:20.000Again, when they get to go into Iraq and the mission fails and they're there for 10 years, that's a big win!
02:07:28.000Because they make more money off weapon sales.
02:07:31.000They get to build permanent bases there.
02:07:33.000People aren't looking at this from the proper angle.
02:07:36.000Once you look at things from the right angle, you see the whole thing.
02:07:42.000Really, the world we're given, the establishment line we're given, is an illusion.
02:08:25.000And I'd always read and heard that people that exerted themselves mentally or physically to an incredible extent that the body would go into an emergency mode and that when you finally had R&R that that is when that that that that is when you would have problems.
02:08:49.000And I know that I mean, I feel punch drunk right now.
02:08:52.000I mean, a lot of it is I got back to town and I've had allergies ever since, which I can't seem to get rid of.
02:08:58.000I don't know why I'm whining about this on air.
02:09:00.000I just feel like my thoughts are going through a couple feet of water.
02:09:04.000Whereas normally I can remember everything and basically know all the documents by heart and all the facts and the info.
02:09:11.000I mean, my brain's still working, but it's like somewhat of a labor.
02:09:25.000And it's not even the work that burns me out.
02:09:31.000It's the anger that I can't do enough, or that I can't track all the lies, or that I can't articulate the picture I see.
02:09:40.000I cannot impress upon you how serious all of this is.
02:09:48.000I mean, I'm up late at night video editing, and I have had no rest from relaxation, and I just ask myself, why am I doing this?
02:09:57.000At a certain point, I mean, I'm driven to fight the new world order, but at a certain point, I just, I caught myself the last year, kind of the creeping first stages of this, Used to I'd have a big giant stack of horrible news, horrible things the New World Order was doing, horrible things they're doing to people, the abuse they're doing, just total evidence of lies and criminality.
02:10:26.000And I would almost relish exposing them and here's more evidence and there's more evidence and just piling it on top of pile.
02:10:34.000And I think at a certain point I'm like a prosecutor that's put on a prosecution I mean, I have the accused on video, you know, chopping up their victims before they eat them.
02:10:46.000I mean, why should I keep having to put on a prosecution when it's totally documented?
02:10:53.000I mean, now obviously, there's new listeners, most people don't know the truth, most people are in self-denial, they are in willful ignorance, they consciously decide to denial this, and maybe You know, maybe they know something I don't know.
02:11:50.000I mean, seriously folks, I've got a giant stack.
02:11:52.000I spent hours last night researching this and reading this and printing this off, and it's a phenomenon.
02:11:59.000I read it, I research it, I get on air, I don't cover most of it.
02:12:06.000Because I just get sick of looking at it.
02:12:13.000It's basically like inspecting a rotten corpse with maggots coming out of it.
02:12:19.000I gotta tell you, I don't know how some of you out there are still in denial.
02:12:23.000I mean, there are actual people who will walk up to me at the grocery store and aggressively slap their hand down on my shoulder and go, where are the black helicopters, Alex?
02:12:34.000And you know, used to I'd want to punch them.
02:16:44.000I have total evidence of it and then it's considered to be upright and mainstream and progressive and cool to be cloistered and small minded and to go along to get along and to basically be a compliant sheep.
02:17:04.000And I mean if that makes you happy then so be it.
02:17:08.000But I mean, it doesn't, just because you deny reality doesn't mean reality isn't still there staring back at you.
02:17:16.000And I am just awed by the dark majesty, that's what Tex Mars calls it, dark majesty of the New World Order.
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02:23:04.000I only wonder why he doesn't perceive that the other possible outcome, the other order, will be the UN.
02:23:12.000And today I heard on the Genesis Network that the Blackwater Group, the mercenaries down in New Orleans, are really an NGO.
02:23:20.000They're connected with a non-governmental organization under the UN.
02:23:24.000And so we can see this comes out of, I believe, Democracy Now!
02:23:30.000Anyway, in addition to that, your point that you've been making about all this, the preparation for it, there was another caller today on Genesis, and you'll want to look into this to see if this clip can be found, whether anyone else heard it, that our Vice President said of Katrina, quote, we're still working through that exercise.
02:23:55.000Now the other point that I wanted to make was from my book, Patriots Warning One, America Attacked.
02:24:01.000When I was hearing Michael Meacher, Margaret Atwood, the noted author, said that Animal Farm and all of the books like George Orwell's 1984, they had really made an effect on her.
02:24:13.000And this is what she said about 1984, quote, The government of Airstrip One, Winston's country, is brutal.
02:24:21.000The constant surveillance, the impossibility of speaking frankly to anyone, the looming ominous figure of Big Brother, the regime's need for enemies and wars to terrify the people and unite them.
02:24:33.000And Alex, I think your destiny is a very great one, to keep warning people.
02:24:42.000And I want to leave your listeners with a story that Colonel Craig Roberts told very quickly when he was going to Vietnam, down in the Ozarks, talking to his grandfather.
02:24:51.000And his grandfather said, son, I know you're worried that you might get killed over there.
02:24:56.000But I want you to know that the Lord will not take you until He's ready for you.
02:25:01.000And Al Cuppett, my relative, he may not be as incisive as you were on the USS Liberty, but his book, America Sold Out, is pretty fantastic.
02:25:10.000Al wrote to me when I was initially afraid.
02:25:12.000I am ashamed to admit I was afraid, but he wrote, Fear only complicates things.
02:25:18.000Be found doing what the Lord has asked you to do.
02:25:27.000I was mainly just trying to describe a phenomenon.
02:25:34.000A phenomenon of just, at a certain point, I mean, describing every wart and scale on this New World Order crocodile just... But no, I know we've got to continue describing it.
02:26:47.000It's March 9, 1935, a newspaper where 6 million people died of starvation by the Bolshevik government.
02:27:00.000Well, the example to that would be FEMA turning away the food and water from the people in New Orleans, run by Chertoff, who is orchestrated by Bush, who is orchestrated who is orchestrated by Bush, who is orchestrated by the Queen of England.
02:27:21.000Who is orchestrated also by David Rockefeller.
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02:30:49.000For those that don't know, Michael Chertoff is a truly evil creature.
02:30:57.000And I've spent hour after hour researching him.
02:31:01.000The rabbit hole just gets deeper and deeper and deeper.
02:31:05.000But yeah, he's been involved in all sorts of scams and real estate manipulations and that's why the globalists love him is they got plenty of dirt on him.
02:31:15.000But since he became the Chief Deputy of the Justice Department in the first Bush administration, Under John Ashcroft, he's the guy that continued to try to put patriots and Christians and conservatives on these FBI lists and on these training manuals and he's anti-gun.
02:31:35.000I mean, he's just a horrible individual.
02:31:38.000And then his cousin, Benjamin Chertoff, wrote this horrible hit piece on myself and others for Popular Mechanics.
02:31:48.000And literally, when I first talked to Chertoff, He sounded like such a blithering idiot, that is his cousin.
02:31:56.000I called the editor at the Popular Mechanics and I said, are you really doing a cover story?
02:32:01.000Because, by the way, I've never called a radio station, never called a TV station, never called, say, the Washington Post and said, is this really one of your reporters I talked to?
02:32:11.000But they were so unprofessional, so pathetic.
02:32:33.000And every time I document something for them, they would just move on to something else.
02:32:38.000Then they would use people that I've never interviewed or I've never talked to and use what they've said and then they call someone up and say, were you interviewed by this person?
02:32:47.000They go, well of course I wasn't when they were interviewed by somebody else.
02:32:50.000I mean it was just... You talk about a con job folks, but the average person reads that and I guess some of them believe it.
02:33:01.000You know that's the thing about hit pieces.
02:33:03.000I mean somebody can say It's like the ADL's lost a bunch of lawsuits.
02:33:46.000But really, anybody who's got a brain cell left in their head has gotten to where when they hear the mainstream media attacking somebody, they automatically think, wait a minute, what's the agenda here?
02:34:04.000You know, you talk about all the dead there.
02:34:06.000I mean, it's totally provable, and has been proven, manifestly, as Ann Coulter likes to say, that they did a horrible job in New Orleans, by design.
02:34:28.000And as the bodies are recovered, reports are now coming out that reporters are being told no photos, no stories, despite a federal judge saying they can't do that.
02:34:39.000A long caravan of white vans led by the Army Humvee rolled Monday through New Orleans Bywater District, the poor, mostly black neighborhood northeast of the French Quarter.
02:34:50.000And because it makes the government look bad, no video, no photos, recovery team members wearing white protective suits and black boots Stopped at the houses with spray-painted markings on the doors designating where dead bodies laid.
02:35:06.000Outside one house, on Kentucky Street, a member of the Army 82nd Airborne Division summoned a reporter and photographer standing nearby and told them that if they took pictures or wrote a story about the body recovery process, he would take away their press credentials and kick them out of the state.
02:35:25.000That's what we fought for in all these wars so the troops could order us around.
02:35:29.000This is all a dress rehearsal for martial law and it makes me so sad.
02:35:36.000No photos, no stories, said the man wearing camouflage fatigues and a red beret.
02:35:42.000You see, you heard that they backed off of this.
02:37:52.000They haven't even had a glass of wine yet.
02:37:55.000And yes, the people that set the table for Hitler, the people that set the table for Mao, the social engineers that set the table for Stalin, they are setting the table now.
02:38:35.000The Federal Emergency Management Agency has hired Kenton International to set up a mobile morgue for handling bodies in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, following Hurricane Katrina.
02:38:51.000And the company is a subsidiary of Service Corporation International, a scandal-ridden Texas-based company operated by a friend of the Bush family.
02:38:59.000Recently, SCI subsidiaries have been implicated in illegally discarding and dealing with corpses.
02:39:51.000Mystery surrounds flood wall breaches, and it goes on to talk about how it's a big mystery, and people don't know why they broke, and shouldn't have broken, and some people think it was blown up.
02:40:08.000There's a bunch of others, but Tim, if you're still there, you brought up this whole thing about this ghoul.
02:40:21.000And I don't go off how people look, but I mean, you know, when the cover of the book fits, the inside, you know, let the shoe fits wear it.
02:40:28.000By the way, you had more you wanted to say.
02:40:30.000Well, there's demons around us everywhere.
02:40:34.000And when we expose the truth, the demons attack more and more and more.
02:40:41.000That prayer, like the walls of Jericho, when they marched around the walls of Jericho, And they sang, and they praised the Lord Jesus, Lord God.
02:42:47.000In this book, he says, there are some conspiracy theorists who believe that I have been in and around a movement to set up a world government for most of my adult life, and that we are near building this world government.
02:42:58.000And I would say that, essentially, they are correct.
02:44:00.000And I don't want to get emails from Masons saying, you know, just put your own founder You know, one of your current founders, one of your icons, says it's Lucifer, and your own books say it's Lucifer.
02:44:13.000I'm not going to sit here and argue with you.
02:44:15.000And David Rockefeller says, we're building a one world government.
02:45:02.000Look, we are in trouble because we have had so much for so long.
02:45:06.000We have gotten decadent, we have gotten bloated, we have gotten lazy, we have become mesmerized by this situation, and it's going to be hell to pay.
02:45:18.000And the good news is people's eyes are opening up.
02:45:24.000The good news is people are aware of what's going on now.
02:45:27.000The good news is there is an awakening taking place.
02:46:13.000I just tuned into your show around 1 o'clock so you'll have to excuse me if I didn't know you already touched on it.
02:46:18.000Louis Farrakhan said there was a 25-foot crater by one of the levees, that there was an explosion.
02:46:25.000But the other thing I want to talk about, you said about allergies, Alex, and I was talking to a ton of people at my children's school, and everybody that I've talked to, including myself, and I've had allergies for about five years.
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02:52:13.000Folks, there's so many people who consciously know the government's evil and know the system's corrupt, so they make a decision to join it out of fear.
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02:54:11.000I'm wanting to know if you can tell me about... Several days ago I heard about... I heard about on local news that they had developed a sound wave gun that...
02:54:24.000And that they were planning on testing it out on criminals in the New Orleans area.
02:54:31.000Yeah, they're going to test it on families that won't leave their high and dry homes and move to a shelter where they can be raped.
02:54:39.000They have the sound cannons that they used in New York and in Iraq, because we're evil terrorists.
02:54:46.000Uh, and they also have a microwave beam that'll fry your skin if turned on high, but just burn your skin from a mile and a half away on low.
02:54:57.000And all these years, we told you, they have these ready in every major U.S.
02:55:02.000So the, the, I understand how the microwave thing works, but how does it, what does the sound, uh, adjust?
02:55:06.000It's just a focus sound cannon, and, uh, it, uh, focuses deafening sound on you.
02:55:15.000And so it basically just blows your drum.
02:55:18.000It's part of the pleasure of the government, just like our troops gathered around and killed all those kids at Waco, they're going to get to do it on a wider scale now.
02:55:27.000The gun confiscation is going on, the average person has no idea.
02:55:31.000Russell in Florida, last caller, go ahead.
02:55:33.000Alex, I'll have to make this quick, thanks for taking my call.
02:55:37.000You know, I watched that 9-11 inside job little video, that compilation, which It has a lot of your video material in it, including the cremation of terror.