On this episode of Conspiracy Theories, Alex Jones is joined by Scott Ritter and Janice Karpinski to discuss the latest in the Bush administration cover-up of the Abu Ghraib prison torture scandal.
00:01:13.000And Janice Karpinski, the general who they tried to scapegoat for the Abu Ghraib torture scandal, When those entire wings of the prison where the torture was going on was under CIA control, she wasn't even allowed into those areas.
00:01:48.000So this is another one of the little scams they run, and we'll be talking to the General who is really blowing the whistle with some huge revelations a little bit later in the broadcast.
00:02:04.000So both of those guests joining us today, we're also going to have wide open phones, take some calls in this hour and throughout all three hours, 1-800-259-9231, and here's the deal.
00:02:18.000Folks, you can call once a week, and I always love our long-time callers.
00:02:22.000It's just that a lot of people email me and call when they finally get in.
00:02:25.000They say, listen, I've been trying to call for six months.
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00:03:01.000Hurricane Wilma, public advisory, starting to slam into the southern tip of Florida and the Florida Keys after it ravaged areas of the Yucatan Peninsula.
00:03:15.000They eventually got a martial law down there to quote, deal with looting.
00:03:20.000And now Hurricane Wilma with about 125 mile an hour winds is slamming into Florida and it's pretty serious.
00:03:29.000But not as bad as it could have been when this sucker went into Category 6 status uh... back on last thursday over a hundred and seventy five miles per hour that the it doesn't go into level six but they're now saying that's what it really hit the scale only goes to five.
00:05:02.000Hey folks, Alex Jones here, announcing the release of my most comprehensive documentary exposing the New World Order's orchestration of the September 11th attacks yet.
00:05:09.000In my new film, The Masters of Terror, we chronicle the globalist master plan for world domination.
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00:05:20.000Witness in horror the execution of the September 11th attacks and the ensuing whitewash.
00:05:25.000The cashless society control grid, impenetrable microchips, mass mind control, militarization of police, concentration camps, foreign troops massing on U.S.
00:05:32.000soil, the USA Patriot Act, Super Big Brother Total Information Awareness Network, and much, much more.
00:05:37.000It is absolutely vital that everyone see the masters of terror.
00:05:39.000Only by exposing the perpetrators of September 11th can we stop them from carrying out the next wave of attacks and destroying our constitutional republic.
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00:08:44.000Welcome as far south as the McMurdle weather station.
00:08:48.000We get emails and letters from there and even occasional phone calls.
00:08:51.000I want to say hi to all the folks down in Antarctica listening.
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00:09:08.000And then of course the good old home crowd right here in Austin, Texas.
00:09:15.000All of you listening, thank you so much for tuning in.
00:09:18.000For those that are joining us for the first time, that are driving along in their car or ...are tuning in via the internet because somebody sent you an email and said listen to this show and so you're having your little 30 minute lunch in your office cubicle in New York City right now and you're biting into your tuna fish sandwich listening and you're wondering what is this broadcast, what is this show all about?
00:10:01.000Until a hundred years ago, left-right didn't exist.
00:10:08.000And the big corporations, the big banks came in and paid off the political scientists, paid off the universities, funded the endowments and the chairs that are set up in the universities.
00:10:24.000To promote a false left-right paradigm and to push a centralization of government.
00:10:30.000In the past, it was freedom versus slavery.
00:10:34.000So I look at what a politician is actually doing, not what they're saying.
00:10:40.000I look at a policy and I say, does that give me and my family more liberty or less freedom?
00:10:47.000Does that follow the Constitution, or does that violate the Constitution?
00:10:52.000We really do what Ron Paul does, the Congressman, with the most conservative voting record in modern history.
00:10:58.000He simply, it's very easy, he shows a legislation, he simply reads it, and if it violates the Constitution or Bill of Rights, even if he likes it, he will vote against it.
00:11:10.000And if they give him 30 minutes to read a 800-page bill, and folks, they've given him multi-thousand page bills, I mean, they do that all the time.
00:11:19.000They say, vote on it, you've got five minutes.
00:11:21.000It's a 400-and-something page bill, but we're voting in five minutes.
00:11:25.000He says, sorry, I might even be for what's in there, but I've got to be able to read it.
00:11:30.000And he's tried to get a law passed, along with many others, to pass a law where congressmen have to read their bills, but instead, Corporations basically own staffers like they own real estate and they just write whatever they want.
00:11:44.000Thousands and thousands of new federal laws every year.
00:11:48.000Tens of thousands of new state laws every year.
00:11:50.000Hundreds of thousands of city and county laws.
00:12:30.000We defend everything that is decent and honorable.
00:12:34.000We stand up against the people, shutting up a world government.
00:12:39.000And they openly announce every day on TV and radio and in the newspaper, world government's here!
00:12:45.000Five, ten years ago, you talked about world government, you were a kook.
00:12:48.000Now, they admit world government and they say, oh, but it'll be a loving, liberal, UN-run world government or an evil, American, neocon world government.
00:13:21.000And I repeat this because so many activists, so many intellectuals, so many conservatives, so many liberals or progressives You cannot get outside of this box.
00:14:51.000Colonel Roberts last week pointed it out on this broadcast that they have got tens of thousands of armored vehicles and mothballs all over this country.
00:15:02.000And they're just not going to give them to the troops.
00:15:10.000Questioning anything the government does for a still, zealous, bush-worshipping minority is equivalent to heresy.
00:15:20.000An amazing article I do want to spend some time on, Case for WTC Tower Demolition, sealed by Griffin.
00:15:29.000And it says, in two speeches to overflow crowds in New York City last weekend, notable theologian David Ray Griffin argued that recently revealed evidence seals the case that the Twin Towers and WTC7 were destroyed by controlled demolition explosives.
00:15:44.000This is from all the new firefighter tapes that are just ironclad.
00:15:50.000Along with the other plethora, constellation of evidence.
00:17:09.000It is where a government Basically, uses its power to go centralize control over the economy, and then gives that control to select corporations.
00:17:22.000And socialism, the communists always told us, led to finally communism.
00:18:03.000So they always told us, oh, you know, socialism will lead into the wondrous world of communism.
00:18:08.000But in every case, China, Russia, Cuba, everywhere.
00:18:13.000And this is why the bankers and David Rockefeller openly funded it by editorials in the New York Times explaining why they funded communism.
00:18:20.000I mean, people think McCarthy just made this stuff up.
00:18:22.000David Rockefeller brags how they funded it.
00:18:27.000Because they would centralize control.
00:18:29.000So yes, you go into socialism and communism, it consolidates wealth, then once you get everybody dependent, you give the entire mechanisms of government and the control over labor and everything, and the private property that was expropriated to begin with, to select global robber barons that are above the nation states and form the global government.
00:18:58.000And the imperialists can use a democracy.
00:19:00.000They can use a democracy and propaganda to promise 51% goodies if they sell out the other 49%.
00:19:08.000Then once they've used that democracy to shut up that big centralized government, the government then abolishes the welfare and transfers all of its holdings to the private corporations that put it into power.
00:19:19.000Then you end up, again, with the corporate structure.
00:19:24.000Remember, Mussolini said we shouldn't call it fascism, it's corporatism.
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00:24:27.000So they just financed a bunch of communist thugs all over the world, and fascist thugs in other areas, openly funding them.
00:24:33.000And this is mainstream history that you're not supposed to talk about.
00:24:36.000I mean, this is in the actual, you know, history books.
00:24:41.000And they went in, they take over, they call it communism, we're going to take your property, we're going to take your land, and then a few years later they start consolidating and handing it over to select global corporations, who are outside the country's control, but use that slave labor to then take those products and leverage out their competition in free countries, thus attacking the bankers' ancient enemy, the middle class, the independent free peoples.
00:25:09.000And so that's why the Fortune 500 loves China.
00:27:33.000Yeah, Alex, I think on one of your shows one day you said that you're for this laissez-faire theory.
00:27:42.000No, I didn't say that, but whatever turns your fancy.
00:27:47.000I thought you said something about, you know, if somebody buys something from you, Even if it's not a good product, that you're not against that kind of treatment of other people, taking advantage of each other.
00:28:01.000No, I never said that, but, you know, you can say whatever you like.
00:28:05.000Yeah, well, anyway, the Bible, you know, there's this, talks about the year of Jubilee, Leviticus 25, chapter 25, and even if you, if you become poor and sell your land, You can get that land back later.
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00:36:01.000Not on DVD, not on VHS, it'll be in a few weeks.
00:36:04.000And last night I completed cutting down, I cut it down even more.
00:36:08.000What people saw at the Alamo Draft House, less is more folks.
00:36:12.000A few weeks ago when I had two sellout showings, overflow crowd showings, there at the Alamo Draft House, That had been cut from 2 hours and 5 minutes to an hour and 45 minutes.
00:36:26.000I have cut it down to exactly an hour and a half.
00:36:35.000You know, the hidden camera really souped it up.
00:36:37.000Because we've got new computers now that can really clean up the image and really bring out the ritual and really zoom in to point blank range.
00:37:09.000I had the theater manager, the Alamo Draft House South Lamar, their new beautiful theater with the big giant theaters with the huge stadium seatings and waiters and waitresses right there at your table, folks.
00:37:28.000I'm trying to finish this other film without going to England and what happened at Crawford and a bunch of other stuff, a bunch of other footage.
00:38:30.000And I'll also take a question and answer.
00:38:32.000So we're going to show the Order of Death.
00:38:35.000And nobody's going to see this until... I mean, you'll be the first to see it other than myself and Rob Jacobson that I've been editing this with.
00:38:44.000and then we'll show the Bohemian Grove Dark Secrets that we finished last night and uh... thirty five minutes of the Dark Secrets has been cut out but if you want the original that I'm only going to be offering for another two weeks or so a two hour five minute Dark Secrets inside Bohemian Grove it's only available on VHS and uh... when it's gone it's gone
00:39:13.000When the new DVD comes out, it's going to have Order of Death and Dark Secrets on it, the new Order of Death, the new version of Bohemian Grove, I will never offer again the original Bohemian Grove video.
00:39:35.000I'll get the old one now while you still can before the new one comes out.
00:39:39.000And go to infowars.com or prisonplanet.com to order via the Safe, Secure Online Shopping Cart at the original Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove.
00:39:49.000And I'm signing, which gives us a lot of collector's value, I'm signing every one that goes out in the next two weeks until we stop offering.
00:39:58.000I'm signing the spine of the VHS videotape of everyone that goes out.
00:40:23.000You know, it's on PrisonPlanet.tv for PrisonPlanet.tv members.
00:40:26.000It's there on the internet, but not in hard copy format.
00:40:32.000Again, if you want Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove, the original collector's edition, signed, go to InfoWars.com.
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00:43:46.000That noise could get much louder this week.
00:43:48.000The grand jury's term expires Friday, and inside the White House there is anxiety over whether the president's top political advisor, Karl Rove, the vice president's chief of staff, Lewis Scooter Libby, or any other key official will be indicted.
00:44:03.000Friday, special prosecutor Patrick Daryl launched a website which included a Justice Department letter confirming the parameters of his investigation.
00:44:11.000A list that includes perjury and obstruction of justice.
00:44:15.000I think that's an ominous development for those people who have been targeted by the grand jury.
00:44:19.000You don't open up a website if you're ready to shut down an investigation.
00:44:23.000At the same time, the President is facing a host of challenges on other fronts.
00:44:28.000In two weeks, his Supreme Court nominee, Harriet Meyers, goes before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
00:44:33.000Some conservatives have blasted Meyers as unqualified and want her nomination pulled.
00:45:03.000So there you have the basic demonization now of Bush and this big Eat, drink and be merry, revelry, oh we're slaying the dragon, the evil political monster.
00:45:15.000They're a client group of technicians in there to do a job.
00:45:19.000This is an imperial tactic to then walk all over them, use them as a doormat, act like the entire agenda that the people hate was their fault.
00:45:32.000Then they get in trouble, they're publicly shamed, they fall on their swords, And the establishment's agenda just moves forward.
00:45:43.000I mean, let's talk about reversals of the policies.
00:45:45.000You know, if Bush is so unpopular, but no, the very people out demonizing Bush, even the Democrats, well, you have to stay the course in Iraq, well, you have to maybe go into Syria and Iran.
00:45:54.000I mean, Hillary sounds like she's right of Bush now, positioning herself in the false paradigm for the run that's coming up here in about three years.
00:47:38.000I mean, I look at the bandages on them and you can still see, you know, the yellow coming through, the blood coming through, the plasma coming through.
00:48:52.000It blew up taking off from New York, flying to Europe.
00:48:55.000Uh, that plane, there were, the Army was on maneuvers, the Navy was on maneuvers, Over 400 military men saw it, including over 40 something people who were Vietnam vets who'd seen missile trails.
00:49:19.000And so it was seen by 800 plus witnesses including the masses of them that were in helicopters who were Vietnam vets who saw the missiles clearly hit it.
00:50:09.000And also when you mentioned, when I looked at your tape, You know, the federal building in Oklahoma and the two towers that went down.
00:50:21.000Yeah, we know specifically what happened with that.
00:50:23.000Right, but my question is... The feds blew it up.
00:50:26.000Yeah, but what I don't understand, why lie about it?
00:50:27.000Why don't they just say that the terrorists blew it up?
00:50:31.000Why stop there with just that they blew into the building?
00:50:35.000Instead of covering up the fact that the buildings were blown up, they had explosives underneath the building, why not just tell the people that they also How's it explosive?
00:50:45.000Because ma'am, that takes engineers with three degrees months to do.
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00:54:52.000Oh, they could carry out terror attacks.
00:54:56.000Do you understand that top CIA analyst, number 5 in the CIA when he was in the CIA, Ray McGovern sang, the government may carry out terror attacks.
00:56:40.000I'll tell ya, the other day I had this woman call and her son, he's an MP over there, and she's crying because he can't find a sling for his M16 and he needs a holster for his sidearm.
00:56:56.000And here I'm thinking to myself, here she's crying on the phone, and then, you know, she's... You can't put people over there without giving them the tools to do the job.
00:57:04.000Well, half the army that was in the news had to buy their own body armor.
00:57:07.000Oh, Alex, it breaks my heart when I get these calls.
00:57:47.000You know, my sons and I collect firearms, and I told them, I said, you really need to listen to this guy, because if you want to keep that investment, you really need to hear what you have to say.
00:57:55.000And, uh, you know, I'll tell you, it's an important message that needs to be heard.
00:58:00.000And these people who choose to ignore it, I can't, I don't understand what they're thinking about.
01:00:22.000I'm going to predict that interest rates are going to rise through the roof, that this new chairman is going to burst the housing bubble for sure, and what they're doing is they're using the hurricane.
01:00:33.000And did you know, just in the past half day or so, there's been a bombing that went off in Baghdad again?
01:00:41.000But the terrorists are blowing up reporters.
01:00:48.000Now, I couldn't think of any terrorists In the right or wrong mind, that would do something that stupid.
01:00:55.000Yeah, why do the terrorists always do what helps the globalists?
01:00:58.000Like, Saddam says, I hate Al-Qaeda, I'm fighting them, which is true.
01:01:02.000And then all of a sudden, bin Laden pops up and goes, no, no, I'm working with him.
01:01:07.000And then, of course, Colin Powell knows hours before the tape's released, because he works for them.
01:01:12.000It's totally and completely, look, look.
01:01:15.000Well, why would they want bad press releases?
01:01:18.000I mean, what I'm looking at it this way.
01:01:20.000The government, if some reporter got a hold of some really hot news that was, like, meltdown great, I would think that the government would want them hushed up really quick.
01:02:44.000Well I think they're using Harris as a lightning rod, because I don't think she's electable, but I do think that the next person they put in is going to be even worse, but it's going to be the other side.
01:03:03.000I mean, I really, really do appreciate your call, sir.
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01:07:47.000And he has been through the wringer at the hands of the frothing, treasonous neocons.
01:07:55.000But for the next 51 minutes, and we're even going to take some calls a little bit later, we are joined by the Brigadier General, retired now, and she was the head of all the prisons and detainment facilities, 17 of them at the time, in Iraq, 3,400 soldiers, and she's Janice Tharpinsky.
01:08:19.000And when she started refusing to be scapegoated, He started pointing out the military intelligence and the 205 Military Intelligence Brigade was in control of every wing in every prison where this stuff was going on, where the torture was going on.
01:08:35.000When she wouldn't fall on her sword and commit hairy carry when she hadn't done anything, Lord Bush, the silver spoon creature, fell on, basically forced her to be broken down to a colonel.
01:09:16.000For those that don't know, I mean, we have General Togumbo's own report.
01:09:20.000I mean, it's admitted raping, pouring acid on people, the photos we've seen of the tip of the iceberg, but then, day one, I knew that even at Camp X-Ray, Brigadier General Rick Baucus refused to torture, so he got kicked out, as well, so you're among a lot of other company, and now that's finally broken on a major TV show like Frontline, but we reported on it two years ago.
01:09:48.000For those that don't know, the torture is admitted, but we know that even in Guantanamo Bay, there is a CIA base within the base.
01:09:56.000That's where the torture goes on, and can you break this down and basically go through what happened and how they tried to scapegoat you?
01:10:04.000Well, I guess we'll never know until they're willing to admit, and they never will, but we can speculate as to why they wanted to scapegoat me, and there's every reason to believe That those reasons are valid, but it started when we were assigned this new mission for detention operations.
01:10:23.000We were basically sold a false bill of goods.
01:10:26.000They told us that we were going to Baghdad, that we were going to receive support from the CJTF-7, General Sanchez's headquarters, and from Ambassador Bremer at the Coalition Provisional Authority, that we would be working with these prisons experts at the Coalition Provisional Authority, To work towards restoring Iraqi jails and prisons to turn it back over to the Iraqi control.
01:10:49.000To arrive in Baghdad to discover that they had just begun to identify some locations.
01:10:54.000They had a list of 121 prisons that they wanted to restore and that they wanted us to run.
01:11:01.000And I told them I didn't have nearly that number of resources.
01:11:09.000And they were responsible for providing the funding to restore those prisons and renovate those prisons.
01:11:16.000That was very slow in coming, only to discover after those contractors left that most of the contract work that had been allegedly done and paid for was in fact never done.
01:11:26.000So we had MPs that were running these facilities Very, very austere conditions.
01:11:34.000The prisons that were restored were done to the minimal standards.
01:11:39.000In one case, the contractors put the hinges on the insides of the prison doors so the prisoners took all the hinge pins out and were waiting outside in the courtyard and scared the Iraqi guards away and the MPs had to go back in.
01:11:52.000uh... regain control of the prison facility but Abu Ghraib was never intended to be a permanent prison detention prison or detention operation it was used as an interim facility largely because there was real estate available inside the twenty foot high retaining wall uh... which was the first line of defense uh... for us to establish temporary camps prisoner of war camps if there was still a war going on
01:12:21.000This would have been much like a prisoner of war camp.
01:12:25.000It was never an ideal location of any kind for detention operations, let alone interrogation operations, as it ultimately became.
01:12:33.000General, we're talking to Brigadier General Janice Karpinski, now retired, and Lord Bush bust her down the kernel when she started going public about a year ago, refusing to go along with this fraud.
01:12:44.000I mean, specifically, let's get into the separation of duties.
01:12:48.000Once you guys are in there, you're overloaded, 3,400 troops, that's with security.
01:12:53.000A lot of your prisons and facilities are under daily bombardment by rockets, grenades, snipers, bombings.
01:13:02.000And on top of this, I didn't specifically, because obviously you were there and commanding this, how the military intelligence took over and cloistered and kind of sequestered their own little reservations within your reservations.
01:13:16.000The military intelligence brigade commander relocated to Abu Ghraib after one of his soldiers, two of his soldiers were killed in a RPG attack out at the prison facility.
01:13:28.000He was visiting one night, only intended to spend one or two nights out there.
01:13:32.000There was an attack and two of his soldiers were killed and shortly after that he made the decision to relocate to Abu Ghraib and he had about six interrogation teams which then became about a dozen interrogation teams and these were military interrogators.
01:13:50.000These were soldiers who were serving as interrogators.
01:13:53.000They were following their regulations, their doctrine.
01:13:56.000We had a very low number, a very small number of uh... prisoners that needed to be interrogated they were mostly iraqi criminals non-violent crimes looting Missing curfew, a weapon in the trunk of the car, whatever it may have been.
01:14:11.000Well, that's what the Army's other report said.
01:14:13.000It said that between 75 and 90 percent were totally innocent and just hadn't had their papers in order.
01:14:20.000And it remains so, I believe, it remains so today.
01:14:24.000Because they're still doing these raids, these roundups, where they'll go out and target an individual and whoever happens to be around that individual, they bring them all in.
01:14:33.000And then there's no way, there's no avenue to release them.
01:14:36.000Once they're tagged as security detainees, they fall into this relatively new and unsupervised category.
01:14:44.000And when you had this departure from detention operations and following the rules to control of detention operations by a military intelligence commander, you have a complete departure from Anything other than chaos, as far as who's in charge, who can give me orders, who can instruct me.
01:15:05.000What was it like having somebody under you, though?
01:15:07.000I mean, I've heard the stories of your Delta Force commanding generals around.
01:15:11.000What was it like having somebody under you, basically telling you what to do?
01:15:15.000Well, Colonel Pappas never worked for me.
01:15:25.000Who was the intelligence officer at the headquarters and to General Sanchez, who was the commander.
01:15:30.000He didn't report any of his interrogation findings through me.
01:15:33.000In fact, the one time that one of his captains, when we had this first raid that was conducted and they brought in about 37 security detainees, within about 36 hours, they had interviewed all of them and said that the majority of them were available for release.
01:15:51.000When I briefed that, that evening at the nightly update, I was told by General Wojtkowski, the Deputy Commander, not to release anybody.
01:16:26.000General, we've got you for the rest of this hour, and my mind is just spinning.
01:16:29.000I mean, there's so much I want to talk about.
01:16:31.000I want to talk about what happened in there, how they kept you guys out of it, then how they tried to blame you with it, when their own documents show you weren't even allowed in there.
01:16:40.000All of this going on, and then we've got Alberto Gonzalez writing memos that then the Pentagon uses, giving orders to their own little subgroups under black ops, And then they send people to prison for following orders, even in their own groups.
01:17:05.000We can trace now, we can trace back to, through documents that were released under court order, we can trace back to the original document, the one that Alberto Gonzalez reviewed and Discuss with the President of the United States a departure from the Geneva Conventions.
01:17:25.000And these techniques will be more effective.
01:17:28.000And then Secretary Rumsfeld putting his signature on a document authorizing more aggressive techniques, harsher techniques during interrogation.
01:17:36.000That document goes down to Guantanamo Bay and over to Afghanistan and it's used perhaps first In small groups, and then it's used at Guantanamo Bay as a standard practice.
01:17:51.000Well, specifically General, we've got a break, but what about private contractors inside Abu Ghraib and other areas?
01:17:57.000Because we've seen the reports that they were in there too.
01:18:01.000Absolutely, and when you ask private contractors to do anything related to combat operations, you're already heading down a very dangerous path.
01:18:09.000We're talking about mercenaries, but now mercenary interrogators?
01:18:17.000hotel room watching Rumsfeld go on, we've taken the gloves off, we're really pressuring him, and in Lasker in the military briefing, I mean, this was all publicly encouraged!
01:18:28.000And then they can send people to prison while they don't get in trouble?
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01:22:51.000Folks, I want you to think about the magnitude of the dissections.
01:23:00.000Last week we had Rand McGovern, number 5 in the CIA.
01:23:05.000Who briefed Ronald Reagan, who briefed George Bush Senior, coming right out on air saying Bush may carry out terror attacks because he's in so much trouble to keep his war going, that our own government might pull something.
01:23:18.000I mean, that's how out in the open all this is getting.
01:23:21.000That's how many whistleblowers there are.
01:23:23.000Ron Paul, Republican Congressman, saying the government may be preparing for a coup d'etat, for martial law.
01:23:30.000I mean, that's how Twilight Zone things have gotten, and here we are, talking to Brigadier General Janice Karpinski in her new book, One Woman's Army.
01:24:02.000General, I mean, let's go right down the line here.
01:24:08.000We have the documents, we know where these orders to do this torture came from.
01:24:12.000Came right from the top, filtered all the way down through the Secretary of Defense, with the endorsement of the President, the Vice President, you know, whatever advisors are surrounding him, and filtered down through the commanders in the field.
01:24:27.000These practices were not only endorsed, but were in use at Guantanamo Bay and in locations in Afghanistan.
01:24:35.000And when General Miller visited Iraq, He carried those techniques with him and taught the interrogators on site how to be more effective in their interrogations.
01:24:44.000And then he sent contract interrogators and people he knew, military people he knew, who had performed well down at Guantanamo Bay, he sent them to Iraq as well.
01:24:56.000So really we had kind of torture seminars going on.
01:25:03.000Because General Miller must have thought that his discussions with the Military Intelligence Brigade Commander were effective enough for him to understand that he could do anything he needed to do to get actionable intelligence from the prisoners.
01:25:18.000Now, you know, they talk about how they went after Grainer and England and others because they had photos, but you point out in your book, why then, you know, who took the pictures and why did that happen?
01:25:32.000And then on top of it, if Congress has seen over 2,000 photos and over 100 videos of raping women, ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about savage Joseph Mingala type stuff, even underage people.
01:25:44.000I mean, if this is going on, then why haven't all those people been indicted?
01:25:48.000Because they needed a group of people to call the scapegoat, excuse me, they needed to scapegoat people that, and they must have believed naively that they were going to take the punishment, go to jail, and be quiet.
01:26:01.000That they would never go out and hire their own attorneys or representatives for themselves and their own cases.
01:26:09.000They certainly believed that I was going to be quiet, that I was just going to take what they were accusing me of and go back home to the United States after my deployment.
01:27:34.000It was in the middle of the Sunni triangle and now you take this operation and you put it under the control of the military intelligence.
01:27:42.000And their objective is completely different than the objective of a military police soldier.
01:27:48.000And they know how to treat prisoners humanely and fairly and they did so in every facility where they were running detention operations.
01:27:55.000The only Well, I read about where they would go get prison guards, federal prison guards with bad records, and actually hire them.
01:28:10.000They were actually scouting for sickos.
01:28:12.000Well, there is a, you know, and not only, the prisons experts that were hired, We were supposed to have about 80 of them down at the Coalition Provisional Authority.
01:28:30.000Of course, they didn't share the information about their previous positions with us, but after we returned, we found out that... General, we got a break.
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01:32:23.000I haven't read the whole thing and I've read about three chapters.
01:32:26.000But we need to support people that are bold and tell the truth.
01:32:29.000And they didn't expect her to go public.
01:32:31.000That's where we had left off when we went to break.
01:32:35.000I guess they expect you to be spineless like all the others.
01:32:39.000You know, there's an increasing number, and it's a great concern to me personally and professionally, because I saw senior officers in Iraq who were more concerned about the political ramifications of their decisions than they were about the leadership or moral decisions, ramifications.
01:32:55.000They were hesitant to Go against anything that Secretary Rumsfeld was putting out.
01:33:03.000Because he had proven, if you don't agree with him, you'll find yourself on the street.
01:33:08.000You'll find yourself without a position.
01:33:10.000So there is no backbone anymore that we've become very famous for in the military.
01:33:16.000We have the strongest military in the world, but our leaders are now afraid.
01:33:20.000They're afraid to voice their opinions, they're afraid to state their opinions, and they're afraid to say, no, you're wrong.
01:33:25.000Well, even their general, even their Enron crony, their darling Army Secretary White, who was an insider with these guys, he said, look, the generals say 400,000 troops.
01:33:59.000And General Shinseki was, for all practical purposes, a lame duck for months until he retired.
01:34:07.000It's amazing, though, that, I mean, when they get unanimous data from the people that know how to fight wars, and know how to get the power back on and help the civilian population, they just, you know, I'm sure you've seen the Karl Rove quote where he says, we control reality, we make reality.
01:34:59.000So we've gone from George Washington at Trenton charging into the German soldiers himself with bullets flicking through his hat to generals cowering in armored compounds.
01:35:12.000You want to know where the armored vehicles were and they weren't out on the road with the soldiers?
01:35:15.000They were protecting the spokesperson for General Sanchez.
01:35:20.000They were parked on the confines of Camp Victory so in case any of those officers had to take a 20-minute journey somewhere across the road to the airport They'd be in an up-armored vehicle.
01:35:30.000And soldiers were paying the price for that.
01:35:34.000But they don't care, they'll just have a neocon get on the radio and say they've got plenty of armored vehicles when I've got family over there and they still don't!
01:35:41.000What are these letters we're getting back home?
01:35:48.000When a soldier stands up and says to the Secretary of Defense, why don't we have the right equipment if you want us to do this the right way and survive?
01:35:56.000And he says, well, we go to war with the army, we have not necessarily the one that we want.
01:36:03.000The person who stopped, the person who stopped the orders for additional armored equipment and armored vehicles is today a four-star general and is in the Pentagon and is serving as the, he is the acting Chief of Staff of the Army.
01:36:18.000Well, the FBI agents that blocked Robert Wright and Kathleen Rowley and others, who specifically had the documents and knew who the hijackers were according to the official story, they all got demoted or removed or fired, but the people that blocked them have all been promoted.
01:36:36.000You play the game, you go along with whatever's being spun by the neocons or by the Pentagon, and you get promoted.
01:36:42.000But the people who have the strength and the moral courage to stand up and say, this is wrong, this is a lie, they're removed from their positions, they take their security clearances away, and then they're out on the street.
01:36:55.000And that's a big message to be sending throughout the force.
01:36:59.000You cross the Secretary of Defense and you're out on the street.
01:37:03.000But if I was the Secretary of Defense, I would want the real intel.
01:37:07.000I would want to know what was really going on.
01:37:09.000I would want to know what the trained war fighters were saying instead of this delusional la-la.
01:37:15.000I mean, just because I think something doesn't make it so.
01:37:18.000Or just because you repeat a lie often enough doesn't make it the truth.
01:37:22.000But, you've already started down that road.
01:37:24.000If you stop this train, which is what they need to do, realistically, they need to stop this train and say, wait, clean the slate, we need to get to the truth and we need to get there now.
01:37:38.000But, I mean, General, how obvious is it When we got the memo saying, well, these are Wellian terms, I mean, these are public.
01:37:46.000Well, we can torture somebody to death, and if we don't mean to kill them, and we don't call it torture, it isn't torture.
01:37:51.000I mean, torturing people to death, folks, and this happens all the time, and then the Congress You know, 90 to 9, the Senate says, no more torture, you've got to follow the manual, you've got to follow the law, the regulations, and then Bush says, no, I'm going to veto that!
01:38:08.000I mean, look, he's sending people to prison, little nothings like England and Grainer, who are obviously, you know, psychopaths, but the point is, They're sending them to prison for following their degenerate orders of the handlers that were in there controlling them, that took the photos, that thought it was cute.
01:38:26.000Meanwhile, Bush is on TV saying, I'm going to veto and we're going to torture.
01:38:59.000Because there's overwhelming proof that it's not only been going on, but it's been directed and is likely continuing even to this day.
01:39:07.000I don't want to believe that it is, but the statements from people that are just returning from the theater give every indication that in fact it is.
01:39:14.000They still don't know where to draw the line.
01:39:17.000General, why is the torture so perverted?
01:39:23.000Well, I think, you know, to me, when they use, particularly women, this sexual overtones, using a woman to try to get an Iraqi man to, or a Muslim man, to break and to give them information.
01:39:39.000This is insulting and humiliating, not only to the female that they're using to do the interrogation, but they're getting some kind of bizarre sense of pleasure, the interrogators are, watching this whole thing take place.
01:39:51.000I know, this is something out of a horror movie!
01:39:53.000Naked women putting... putting... I mean, I hate to use this, but yet we have to.
01:40:15.000And the fact that they're using female soldiers to conduct this demonstrates what they're thinking about the likelihood of war for women in the military.
01:40:27.000Well, listen, if they told me in the military, go in there and do something to a woman, I'd be, you can go to hell.
01:41:06.000I mean, when did you decide to not roll over and fight him?
01:41:10.000When I was down in Kuwait and I was waiting for... I spoke to General Toguba in the conference room down in Kuwait and he had six other men in the room with him.
01:41:33.000No, these soldiers are not derelict in the performance of their duties.
01:41:36.000I explained every single question that he presented to me.
01:41:39.000And when I saw the results of his investigation, or from from that interview, and he had the nerve to say that I was emotional.
01:41:49.000Well, I wasn't the one with tears coming out of my eyes at the end of the interview.
01:41:54.000It was him and his six comrades, because they knew what they were doing was wrong, and they knew that they were going to be called to accuse me for things that clearly I was not responsible for.
01:42:06.000Well, that's encouraging, though, that they were crying, because that means they've still got souls, at least.
01:43:07.000And he allowed me to go back to the United States, and that was in April of 2004.
01:43:12.000I told him that we needed, when I got back to the States, it was my intent to, you know, at least have an after-action review and make sure none of this ever happened again.
01:43:23.000And he said to me as I was leaving his office, there's a great future for Janis Karpinski in the Army Reserves.
01:43:32.000By the time I got back to the United States and the pictures were released, The Chief of the Army Reserves is now using the Toguba Report as the sacred document and is suspending me and ultimately relieving me from command.
01:43:45.000And he has never spoken a word to me since I've been back in the United States.
01:44:45.000Or do you agree with my statement that they're forming a large torture corps?
01:44:51.000I don't know if they'll be so bold as to call it that, but yes, I agree with you and it makes me shudder when I think about it because they took some contract interrogators to Iraq.
01:45:02.000They took some contract interrogators and put them at Abu Ghraib, testing to see what the response of the prisoners would be, testing more importantly to see what the response of soldiers would be to those interrogators taking over A military function.
01:45:16.000So now we know that that's an encroachment.
01:45:19.000We know the quality of some of the contractors that were down at the Coalition Provisional Authority.
01:45:24.000Some of them had been fired from previous assignments, specifically at prisons, and they were fired for allegations of abuse of prisoners.
01:45:33.000In one case, it caused the death of a prisoner.
01:45:39.000They're actually scouring the planet for scum!
01:45:42.000Yes, for people who have this kind of mindset, who can live with themselves while they're going forth in this global war on terrorism and trying to make a difference.
01:45:52.000But, you know, it's important to understand that even the McCain bill that was passed by overwhelming victory, 90 to 9, it's limited to the military.
01:46:07.000For people who are subject to the UCMJ.
01:46:09.000We need a law on contractors on everybody!
01:46:14.000If somebody kidnaps a woman and goes and rapes her, I mean, is his defense gonna be, hey, I was just blowing off steam, like Rush Limbaugh said, and torture's no big deal?
01:46:25.000I was trying to get information from her.
01:46:27.000I mean, let's think about this, folks.
01:46:28.000Since when is beating people to death and raping someone's wife in front of them, because their papers weren't in order at a checkpoint, because the fat slob just wants to rape somebody, since when is that what Americans do?
01:46:45.000General, what would you like to see happen?
01:46:46.000I mean, obviously, I think Gonzales And any general who we have paper trails on, knowingly part of this, I think they all need to go to prison.
01:46:57.000The Inspector General, who was not the Inspector General for most of the investigation, the one who made the decision to clear General Sanchez, General Wojcikowski, General Fass, Colonel Warren, Colonel Pappas, and General Miller.
01:47:12.000You know, it was only there at the direction of Secretary Rumsfeld and that was the first thing, the first action he took was to release those findings.
01:47:20.000It says specifically in the IG report that actions I took or failed to take in no way contributed to the abuses at Abu Ghraib.
01:47:27.000But most people don't have access to the Inspector General's report or don't take the time to go look for it.
01:47:32.000No, they really have besmirched your name.
01:47:36.000And then, when they do a separate investigation on Guantanamo Bay, the recommendation is that they reprimand General Miller for letting interrogations get out of control, even though he was directed to do those things.
01:47:49.000And his boss said, no, I'm not going to reprimand him.
01:47:52.000And his boss just happened to be the former military aide to Secretary Rumsfeld.
01:47:58.000So they're all proving that their hands are dirty.
01:48:03.000One is covering up the other for the other for the other.
01:48:06.000I want people to think about the fact that our current Attorney General, the supposed guy enforcing all these laws, He's writing memos saying Bush is above the law and the law flows from him, saying he's an emperor.
01:48:21.000I want people to realize that General Shoemaker is the guy who sent Delta Force in at Waco.
01:48:28.000I want people to know that they are now putting in a constellation, a gaggle, of people that are willing to do this.
01:48:36.000I tell you, General, this is really scary.
01:48:39.000Well, this scares me, too, and I agree with you because They have rewritten the dictionary.
01:48:45.000There's a prisoner of war and then there's an Iraqi detainee or a prisoner, an Iraqi criminal and then there's this category of security detainees that seem to be apart from any of the Geneva Conventions and not subject to the rules that military personnel have followed for years.
01:49:02.000Now you bring into that equation contractors who are not subject to the UCMJ or appear to be above the rules.
01:49:12.000We haven't gotten it right yet, although the bill, unfortunately, moves in the right direction.
01:49:17.000And now, well, at least it forced Bush to go public and say he's for torture.
01:49:20.000I mean, it really put the spotlight on these guys, but I just can't believe we're even having to sit here and debate this and talk about this, but they are being exposed.
01:49:30.000Our final segment with the General, I might take a call or two, but we're also going to plug her book, so get your pens and paper ready for that.
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01:52:59.000Here in about five minutes and about eight after we're going to have Scott Ritter, the UN weapons inspector, the brave marine that blew the whistle on the lies day one before this whole nightmare started.
01:53:11.000And boy has he been proven to be correct.
01:53:14.000I don't want to hear from people that, well, you know, something this big, it would come out.
01:53:20.000On every front, from the financial war profiteering, to the attack on the Bill of Rights, to protecting terrorist groups, to, you know, all of this, that this current cabal is engaged in, it all has come out.
01:53:40.000But a lot of the news media, owned by the very financial interests that stand to gain from this, try to suspend it.
01:53:46.000That's why the alternative media is exploding in size, because people aren't buying it anymore.
01:53:50.000The General has graciously decided to stay with us over five minutes to the next hour, so we can get to Tony and Larry and a few others, and we're about to go to your calls.
01:53:59.000But the new book by General Janice Barpinski is One Woman's Army.
01:54:10.000And General, tell us a little bit about the book and tell us about the publisher and some of the websites.
01:54:16.000The book is really about my, from when I grew up wanting to be in the military and my military career and what led me to promotion to Brigadier General and then my assignment as the commander of the 800th MP Brigade.
01:54:30.000I felt like I really needed to reestablish my credibility Because it was widely destroyed by the spin from linking my name to those, exclusively my name, to those photographs and my leadership failures.
01:54:50.000I wanted women especially, but people around the world to understand that there are conscientious people in the military and we serve for a variety of reasons.
01:55:01.000Abu Ghraib and Iraq was a situation that was clearly out of control.
01:55:06.000And certainly not, we weren't able to rein it in on my watch.
01:55:11.000And this is of course published by Miramax Books.
01:55:15.000And for those that, also General, kind of out of left field here, have you ever heard of P2OG?
01:55:45.000have breakdown and that actually his goal was to, we have an Israeli document from 83 saying this too, is to have Iraq in turmoil, in civil war, never being a strong area and then using it as a launch base to then attack Syria and Iran.
01:56:00.000So in a way they actually want to fail so we have an excuse to stay there longer and build those permanent bases.
01:56:08.000I would because from July of 2003 when we arrived in Iraq It really did seem like we would only be there for a couple more months.
01:56:17.000Things to the north and the south of Baghdad seemed to be generally peaceful and returning to life as it was, and certainly back under Iraqi control.
01:56:27.000But Baghdad and the surrounding vicinity, including the Sunni Triangle, was very resistant.
01:56:35.000Instead of exploiting the peace, they capitalized on the insurgent activity and made the situation completely worse.
01:56:43.000And it grew increasingly worse over the next months.
01:56:47.000After they captured Uday, or killed Uday and Kuse in that operation in Seoul, the insurgents were more active than ever and they were becoming Uh, more accurate than ever before.
01:56:58.000Well, also, I mean, the military's not stupid.
01:57:00.000I've talked to so many, you know, experts who were in Vietnam fighting insurgencies.
01:57:04.000If one person shoots at you from a little village, you don't arrest every man down to the age of 11.
01:57:10.000You don't bulldoze all their date palms.
01:57:58.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:58:02.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:58:08.000Well, an amazing lady, and I've researched the facts, nothing to do with The torture criticized having areas of her command basically taken away and given to internal minions of military intelligence and private torture contractors.
01:58:52.000I just wanted to ask you to make a couple of comments if you could real quickly on Kevin P. Burns, the Firing Force Sergeant General Kevin P. Burns.
01:59:13.000Yeah, the suspicious firing of Burns just a few months before he was going to retire anyways, and then it turned out he was already getting a divorce, and they said, oh, well, he had a girlfriend, but was off base, who wasn't military, and that's not normal.
02:00:54.000I don't have a comment on it because I don't have enough information to make a comment.
02:00:59.000But I do know that there were an awful lot of decisions that were made that were governed by the neocons from Washington, D.C.
02:01:05.000and and injured soldiers in the process.
02:01:09.000General, we've got to have you back on sometime.
02:01:12.000Obviously an hour is not enough, but just talk about what you witnessed in Iraq and what it was like to be under continual bombardment and then to have part of the prison walled off by people out of your authority and then I mean, I don't know how they could try to scapegoat you when it was part of the record that you weren't in control of that wing of the prison.
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02:06:27.000I mean, I have multiple members of Bush's cabinet, and directors, and Deputy Treasury Secretary coming on and saying the same thing, and Morgan Reynolds, and Chief Economist.
02:06:39.000I mean, it's just... Look, people say that good folks wouldn't stand up and tell the truth.
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02:10:14.000Alright, let's go now to our guest, who I appreciate holding, and his new book, folks, is Iraq Confidential, is a dramatic, never-before-told expose of intelligence espionage by a staunch patriot the CIA wanted to silence.
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02:11:23.000Well, I mean, I hesitate to use the term slam dunk because that's been spoiled by George Tenet making the opposite case.
02:11:31.000No, this book... That was my intention.
02:11:32.000No, I mean, look, today we're in Iraq and I think it's widely acknowledged, regardless of where you stood before the war, that it's an unmitigated disaster.
02:11:43.000I mean, we're We're up to our neck in a mess of our own making.
02:11:49.000And now we're having a discussion about, you know, how do we get out of this?
02:11:55.000And one of the things I've always, you know, said, and this is what I was taught as an intelligence officer, that you can't solve a problem until you first define the problem.
02:12:05.000And on Iraq, you know, we still haven't come to grips with the fact that our government misled us.
02:12:11.000We've had three Reports issued, one by the CIA, the Iraq Survey Group, one by the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, one by the President's own Commission on WMD and Intelligence, that say, oops, we got it wrong.
02:12:23.000I mean, intelligence is a tough business, and sometimes you get it wrong.
02:12:27.000And that's all that happened here, guys, is it was an honest mistake.
02:12:31.000And what I try to say, and I show in my book, I don't try to show, I definitely show it, that this is absurd.
02:12:37.000That the CIA knew that Iraq had been fundamentally disarmed.
02:12:40.000The CIA knew That the numbers that it was passing on to the President were deceptive, were misleading, were falsified.
02:12:50.000And I back this up further by reminding Americans, and because they do need to be reminded, that this was never about disarmament.
02:12:58.000I mean, I don't know why we all got fooled, at least some of us got fooled into believing that George W. Bush wanted to disarm Iraq, because Bill Clinton before him did not want to disarm Iraq.
02:13:09.000And George Bush's father, George Herbert Walker Bush, didn't want to disarm Iraq.
02:13:14.000The only policy objective that was in play during the entire decade of the 90s was regime change.
02:13:20.000And disarmament, the work of the weapons inspectors, was only useful insofar as it facilitated regime change, either by providing an excuse for the maintenance of economic sanctions that killed between 700,000 and 2.2 million Iraqis during the 1990s, or, to use a Trojan horse,
02:13:37.000uh... as a vehicle for committing espionage against us and I was saying gathering intelligence so that uh... the CIA could target him with the various coup attempts and you know this corrupted the integrity of the inspection effort and basically created a condition where you know the American public was preconditioned to accept at face value anything negative about Iraq Without question.
02:14:00.000If anybody dared raise their hand, as I did, and said, well, wait a minute, I'm not out here to support Saddam, but the facts are, what they're telling you is not true.
02:14:08.000You immediately became associated as being pro-Saddam, therefore, your information was discarded.
02:14:14.000Well, we're talking to Scott Ritter, who of course is one of the U.S.
02:14:21.000Number one, you say that now everybody agrees and everybody knows.
02:14:25.000Even the White House admits there's no WMDs, but The neocontact radio people, they still say they found them and they had them.
02:14:33.000I remember for like three months when they first invaded, in 03 in March, every day they found a new nerve gas shell.
02:14:40.000Of course it would show the inspector unscrewing the top and sticking their nose in it, as if anybody who really thinks you're dealing with chemical weapons sticks your nose in it.
02:15:34.000It's not as though the United States came into Iraq with any good intent in our heart.
02:15:39.000This was an agenda carried out by a radical element of the US government that required, in order to succeed, the deception of deceiving the American public.
02:15:54.000I am not a lawyer, but I am enough of a student of the law to know that when you deliberately When you tell a lie in the conduct of your official duty, that's a felony.
02:16:10.000I mean, you know, we have an interesting situation here today though, you know, I'm no fan of... Yeah, if I claim my neighbor is robbing banks, and the cops go raid his house, and find out I just made that up, I'm going to jail!
02:16:20.000That's right, and you know, Bill Clinton, and I'm no fan of Bill Clinton, but when he...
02:16:24.000You know, he lied about a personal issue to a grand jury, and Congress screamed impeachment.
02:16:30.000It didn't make it, but they impeached him.
02:16:32.000Now you have Kay Bailey Hutchins, a senator from Texas, saying about Karl Rove and Scooter Libby and others, I hope that they're not going to be indicted for some perjury thing like that.
02:16:44.000I mean, you know, the fact that they might have said something that wasn't true to a grand jury, I mean, that's not really a big deal.
02:16:51.000No, it's a huge deal, Kay Bailey, and if that's how you feel... Yeah, we went to war!
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02:22:42.000You know, I was an inspector from 91 to 98, and we knew early on in 91 that we had a problem with the United States, that the United States had a policy of regime change that was corrupting the integrity of our operation.
02:22:54.000But, you know, the United States was also a member of the Security Council of the United Nations.
02:22:58.000There's a lot of people out there that badmouth the U.N.
02:23:01.000I'm not here to defend a bureaucracy that definitely needs some reforming, but we should never forget that the United Nations... Our government founded the U.N.
02:23:15.000And when the United States decides not to play by the rules, and yet tell everybody else to play by the rules, that corrupts the integrity of that organization.
02:23:26.000And the United States was a member of the Security Council, It voted for a resolution calling for the disarmament of Iraq.
02:23:31.000It promised that if Iraq cooperated, sanctions would be lifted.
02:23:35.000And then it turns around and says, guess what?
02:23:37.000Now that we have sanctions in place, they're never going to be lifted until Saddam Hussein is removed from power, which was never part of the original equation.
02:23:44.000And so this had a hugely detrimental effect.
02:23:50.000Well, we also know that for the year of the build-up, when they were quote, dealing with Saddam and offering deals and stuff, that Bush had already told Tony Blair, we are attacking them in the spring.
02:24:03.000I mean, it was all, you know, that four-day ultimatum.
02:24:27.000Here's a man who had, you know, by any account, a distinguished career, working for several administrations, and he blew it all in one day because he didn't have the courage to stand up and say no if he had resigned.
02:24:41.000If he'd come out and said, I'm not going to play this game, I'm not going to fabricate, I'm not going to lie, this is my letter of resignation, and furthermore, as an American, once I resign, Mr. President, I'm going to tell the people the truth about your administration.
02:25:58.000I mean, in a perfect world, Scott Ritter's king for a day, what would happen?
02:26:02.000Well, I mean, things are so badly, but the first thing I'd like to happen is to purge Congress of everybody who voted yes for that war.
02:26:09.000If you voted yes for that war, and you haven't come out and repudiated that vote, said I made a mistake, that I was misled, And that I won't continue to vote to support this war, then you have no right representing the United States, the American people.
02:26:23.000Well, I agree, there's a type of schizophrenia.
02:26:25.000I know so many Democrats that hate the war and hate Bush, but they love Hillary, they love Chuckie Schumer.
02:26:32.000That's the hypocrisy of it, because Hillary Clinton, she's the same problem, just coded, you know, dressed differently.
02:26:40.000She has embraced the same Neoconservative type foreign policies that the Bush administration put out.
02:26:56.000She doesn't have any original thought.
02:26:58.000She's so weak in the field of foreign policy and national security that she has no choice but to mimic The far right wing of the Republican Party, out of fear of having their weakness exposed.
02:27:09.000I've actually had arguments with Democrats.
02:27:11.000Most of them, it's like they have a mental block.
02:27:13.000No, the Democrats didn't vote for the war.
02:27:24.000I want to talk about what's happening with the war now, and where you think it's all going, and talk about your new book, Iraq Confidential.
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02:31:55.000Either you accept the U.N. in there telling you to let us inspect and take your country over, or we'll sit in the evil neocon right-wingers.
02:32:04.000Basically, I've brought up a couple of different points, but would you like to comment on those?
02:32:10.000Well, one of the things that strikes me, I mean, first of all, the United States isn't playing it right.
02:32:38.000I mean, again, I'm glad that Colonel Wilkerson and others are speaking out now, but it's just a little too cute for them to be jumping ship now that it's sinking.
02:32:53.000He said, in the beginning, a patriot is a scarce man, hated and feared, but in time, when his cause succeeds, the temment join him, because then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
02:33:03.000And these people will not pay a price, and they should.
02:33:45.000You know, Theodore Roosevelt, again, I'll paraphrase it because I don't have the exact quote, but, you know, not to criticize a president, especially during times of war, is not only, you know, morally cowardly, but it bores on treasonous.
02:33:58.000I mean, it's our duty and responsibility as American citizens To hold our elected representatives accountable for what they do in our name.
02:34:06.000We cannot accept the notion of you're either with us or against us.
02:34:51.000I mean, if they just burn a Scooter Libby or a Rove and then Bush pardons them, and they go and get CEO jobs at $15 million a year, I mean, they're just little mid-level functionaries.
02:35:06.000I mean, what would you like to see happen?
02:36:47.000We don't do very well by, you know, We don't serve our role as citizens by allowing an oligarchy or this tyranny of the minority to govern without any checks and balances.
02:37:05.000And folks, by pushing, by speaking, by getting involved, Democrats, you have to stop mindlessly supporting Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton.
02:37:13.000I mean, why do you think she has a four-hour dinner every week, according to the New York Daily News and New York Observer, with Rupert Murdoch?
02:37:34.000Well, again, I mean, it's not going to happen, A, until people wake up.
02:37:39.000And you're right, you mentioned it earlier.
02:37:40.000You know, we have the Russian limbaus of the world, the Sean Hannity's, and these other millied mouth, you know, whatever you want to call them, people... Liberals, ultra left-wing extremists.
02:37:59.000But, you know, these guys are sitting there Just spouting lies, spouting vindictive, and they have brainwashed a certain portion of the country.
02:38:07.000It doesn't matter now that the President himself has said there are no WMDs, that all WMDs were destroyed in the summer of 1991.
02:38:16.000These people still say, not only were there WMDs, but we found them, that this war is justified, and there's a certain element that believes this.
02:38:27.000Unfortunately, we're going to have to sort of Push that element.
02:38:30.000You don't want to hear the stuff I hear them say about you, and people I even know, and they've never served, they've never been over in Iraq for years in that hellhole.
02:38:38.000They've never done all the things you've done in all these dangerous places, and then you say, yeah, he's a commie.
02:38:46.000Look, there's enough Marine Corps left in me that if they really feel that way, They're welcome to come over here and say it to my face, and then we'll settle it the old-fashioned way.
02:39:30.000The debate away from the issue at hand... I know, it's pure bull!
02:39:34.000I mean, so obviously you've heard what I've heard, where they get on the radio every day, and they say they found the WNDs, and Scott Ritter's evil, and anybody else who's against it is evil.
02:39:45.000Well, Ron Paul's against it, you know.
02:39:46.000All these other real conservatives are against it.
02:39:51.000But again, they are hanging themselves with a rope that they themselves wove.
02:39:56.000Eventually, You know, the beauty of all this vindictive that they spew, and it's not just the far right, it's mainstream media.
02:40:05.000Look, the New York Times is collapsing.
02:40:07.000Around itself today because of the garbage that they allow the readerships lay down They're having to let go hundreds of people that exactly they did this and listen Scott.
02:40:17.000I have Not even near you know the biggest Patriot You know old-line conservative truth-telling whatever you want to call it websites, but I'm bigger than major, Texas newspapers You know, just in the internet writings.
02:40:31.000And we have millions and millions of listeners just on the internet and just viewing the website every week.
02:40:38.000I mean, that's got to be hurting them.
02:40:40.000And we read about how their readerships across the board in the last 10 years, the newspaper readership down by 60%.
02:40:45.000The lion's share of that in the last two years.
02:40:49.000Nobody has confidence in them anymore.
02:40:51.000They've failed in their responsibility to serve the American public by telling the truth.
02:41:04.000And I have no problem with a publisher saying, okay, this is who I am, and so here's my editorial page.
02:41:11.000Then they have something called the op-ed page, where they can publish, you know, opposing points of view.
02:41:17.000That's wonderful, because you know, when we open up a newspaper and we see it, we know what we're getting.
02:41:21.000But when they take their editorializing into the news and start shaping stories, fabricating stories, And basically spoon-feeding things that aren't a reflection of reality to their readership, they've failed.
02:41:35.000And the New York Times did that, the Washington Post... Well Scott, what you've said has proven it.
02:41:40.000They like to act like it's just Bush and these frothing neokinds, but really the American establishment and Congress use them as their frontmen or their shock troops in this, and that's what I wanted to bring up to you, this larger program.
02:41:56.000There's the Pentagon program of P-2-O-G, where Rumsfeld said, we want to stimulate terror attacks.
02:42:14.000Well, I think that, again, I have trouble giving the Pentagon credit for having, you know, this detailed conspiracy I'm sure that this is there, etc.
02:42:31.000It's not as though they're working off a master plan.
02:42:34.000What we're seeing is incompetence personified.
02:42:36.000Rumsfeld and Cheney and the rest of them have hoodwinked everybody because they get on national TV and the media throws softball questions to them and they have this calm demeanor and they speak high and mighty.
02:42:49.000Everybody goes, wow, these guys know what they're talking about.
02:42:52.000But when push comes to shove, You know, they're liars.
02:43:01.000The New York Times, the Washington Post, suppose that liberal bastions, corporate interests, wanted this war, so they let the neocons be the instruments of that.
02:43:09.000They then take the fall for it, at least a partial fall, and P-2-O-G is real.
02:43:15.000A year before the war, Rumsfeld sang... I mean, there's a 1983 Israeli plan to use America to invade.
02:43:24.000I'm aware of all this and I know that there's elements inside the Bush administration, especially Donald Rumsfeld's associates, you know, Doug Fyfe, Wolfowitz and others, who long ago You know, it crossed the line of serving America, and they started serving another country out there, Israel.
02:43:44.000And they started putting Israeli... Well, my point is that Israel publicly had the plan to have Iraq in civil war.
02:43:54.000Well, from the Israeli perspective, yeah.
02:43:56.000This dates back to the Iran-Iraq War, where we said it's good to have the Iranians and Iraqis killing each other.
02:44:42.000Well, what amazes me is that it takes somebody like Jon Stewart, a comedian, to point out that he's lying.
02:44:48.000away with it I mean it is really I mean Rumsfeld gets on TV now and says I never said there were WMDs well what amazes me is that it takes somebody like Jon Stewart a comedian to to to point out that he's lying you know Jon Stewart will play that clip and then he goes back and plays another clip why isn't CBS News Why isn't ABC News doing that?
02:45:48.000Well, and that's the sad case, is that right now American troops will die for somebody's political fortune.
02:45:55.000But somehow it backs them up to keep them there when they're not even needed.
02:45:58.000And then Bush two weeks ago said, we've trained 80 groups of Iraqis, 80 groups of security forces, and then the military admits there's two groups.
02:46:11.000And when you talk about Syria and Iran, today we have John Bolton giving a speech at the United Nations, where he's accusing the UN of not standing up to its obligations, da-da-da-da.
02:46:22.000He's setting the stage for a potential unilateral action by the United States against Syria.
02:46:29.000Yeah, maybe we can be a little angry that they popped off a corrupt former Prime Minister of Lebanon who stole billions of dollars of Reconstruction money.
02:46:38.000But that's not a cause for America to go to war.
02:47:05.000If you go back and take a look at the, you know, Nixon administration during the height of Watergate, you know, there was talk of, you know, Nixon was talking about using nuclear weapons against the Soviets in the Middle East.
02:47:19.000You know, when you have a, when you have a Irresponsible administration, like the Nixon administration and like this current administration, and they start to feel embattled, surrounded.
02:47:30.000They take on a Fortress-like mentality where everybody becomes the enemy.
02:47:49.000It's something to be, you know, avoided.
02:47:52.000And they are married to an ideology of global domination, of global imperialism, and they're not going to deviate from this... Well, every major guest I've been having on, in and out of government, has been unanimously agreeing.
02:48:07.000Let's jam one quick question in, and then Scott can answer it after the break.
02:48:10.000Clayton in Missouri, ask your question.
02:48:13.000Yeah, Alex, he kind of answered it indirectly.
02:48:17.000The United Nations came out with this report condemning Syria for a political assassination inside Lebanon.
02:48:23.000What a lot of people don't know is that U.S.
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02:52:39.000Scott, answering that question, they really want to go into Syria and Iran.
02:52:42.000I've got friends and family in the military.
02:52:44.000They've been told they're going into to Syria before Iran.
02:52:50.000And they could use this as a big distraction.
02:52:54.000So to answer the caller's question, where do you see this going?
02:52:57.000I see, again, this administration wants to go to Syria, wants to go to Iran.
02:53:04.000Iran has turned into a little bit more of a difficult proposition, both diplomatically and militarily and financially.
02:53:13.000So, Iran may be pushed to the back burner right now.
02:53:15.000It doesn't mean it's going away, and we should never forget that.
02:53:18.000So the snake's going to try to eat us small, or... Yeah, we're going to go small first, and Syria, I think the feeling of the Bush administration is this is a very easy target.
02:53:27.000It's one that, you know, again, would make Israel very happy if we took out this regime.
02:53:35.000I'm not sure it's going to be as easy as they think it's going to be.
02:53:39.000But if terrorists blow something up in America, then maybe.
02:53:44.000Well, you know, whether terrorists are planning to do it now, I can tell you one thing.
02:53:50.000If we go into Syria, there will be a whole host of people planning to blow it up.
02:54:31.000Um, Scott, you really have a lot of good things to say.
02:54:34.000There's some problems out here, some people have, um, trying to impeach you as a good source of information because of some morals charges.
02:54:41.000I wish you could address those and tell us how that happened.
02:55:53.000We don't want to oversimplify it, we don't want to exaggerate it, but it's there.
02:55:57.000I mean, there are elements of the far-right wing of the Likud party who have aligned themselves with these neoconservatives in the Bush administration.
02:56:04.000And they have a heavy influence on what we're doing in the Middle East today.
02:56:08.000And they have their own offices in the Pentagon.