On today's show, Alex Jones is joined by David Swanson, Naylor, and Monona as they discuss the Bush administration's cover-up on 9/11, the need for martial law, and the need to leave the United States.
00:00:41.000It is November 3rd, 2005, and I'm your host, Alex Jones.
00:00:47.000We're going to be live here for the next three hours, and we have three guests joining us.
00:00:53.000Coming up, at the start of the next hour, David Swanson, co-founder of the After Downing Street organization, on Bush's real approval ratings after the Downing Street movement began to expose his activities.
00:01:10.000And then coming up at the half hour, in the middle of the next hour, We're going to have Craig Monona on, Organic Consumers Association Staff Scientist, on how Congress has rammed through a sneak attack on organic standards, despite massive consumer opposition, and how the organic food standard has been ruined.
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00:01:45.000And then coming up in the third hour, we're going to have Thomas H. Naylor on, founder of the Second Vermont Republic, which is pushing a resolution that the state of Vermont peacefully and democratically free itself from the United States of America and return to its natural status as an independent which is pushing a resolution that the state of Vermont peacefully and democratically free itself from the United States of America and return to its
00:02:14.000In the week before 9-11, they were set to vote.
00:02:22.000The week after 9-11, but the week before 9-11, I had on mayors, city councilmen, select women, select men from New Hampshire.
00:02:31.000And they had the majority of votes, they had the majority of the counties ready to go.
00:02:35.000They were going to withdraw from the Union.
00:02:38.000The Right to Revolt Clause, Clause 10, all that got dropped with rallying around the plastic Chinese flags, the American desecrated flags, after 9-11.
00:02:48.000So the soul of America went one step closer to the bowels of Hades.
00:02:54.000And of course I had a state representative on from Arizona right before 9-11 who introduced legislation and passed out a committee but stalled, never got to a full vote because their legislative session ended in 2000, that if quote martial law was declared or gun confiscation began, which both those things have now started,
00:03:16.000Now in full swing, that they would remove themselves from the Union and then reconstitute with other states that wish to reconstitute the Union.
00:04:04.000That comes from the evil Declaration of Independence.
00:04:08.000And, of course, the Federalist Papers, the Anti-Federalist Papers, they were all in agreement on that key subject.
00:04:15.000And so there is a real move to do this, and I think it's a wonderful idea.
00:04:20.000I would move to have Texas remove itself from the Union.
00:04:24.000The problem is, is that you've got a bunch of ne'er-do-wells, on average, running around declaring themselves high admirals and high generals and presidents battling over who the Supreme Leader is of the Republic of Texas.
00:04:36.000You don't do it that way, ladies and gentlemen.
00:04:38.000You have a vote of the people, and you pull out of it, and then you have elections.
00:04:44.000And then you elect, on a statewide basis, the President.
00:04:47.000You don't declare yourself President first.
00:04:49.000George Washington didn't do that in 1775, when he was commissioned as the General by the Congress, meeting there in Philadelphia.
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00:08:45.000The people, whether they consider themselves to be liberal or conservative or greedy when it comes to defending their private property rights and the rights of the family and the rights of the state against the federal government.
00:08:58.000And we've seen New Hampshire try to pull out right before 9-11.
00:09:40.000And I know, I'm digressing right here at the beginning of the program.
00:09:42.000I did that first little five minute segment and mentioned that we've got folks coming on about the Downing Street Memo and the movement to expose that as a smoking gun and where Bush's approval ratings really are.
00:09:52.000That's coming up at the start of the next hour.
00:09:54.000Again, in the middle of the next hour, Craig Monona about how they're taking all the organic food standards off of, you know, the federal government will just certify anything.
00:10:03.000It can be 75% genetically engineered or have inorganic Ingredients and it will still certify.
00:10:12.000It will tell you what seals to look for that will still guarantee that your food is safe and why organic food is so important.
00:10:19.000And then also as I mentioned during the third hour, Thomas H. Naylor, founder of the Second Vermont Republic, which is pushing a resolution That the state of Vermont peacefully and democratically free itself from the United States of America and return to its natural status as an independent republic as it was between January 15 and 1777 and March 14, 1791.
00:10:43.000Now, why do I get into this article and just mention that we've got a guest coming up in the third hour and then I begin savaging the Republic of Texas individuals here in this state?
00:10:54.000And by that I don't mean every member of the Republic of Texas, the 400 different groups there are basically.
00:11:01.000By that I don't mean everyone who has latched onto this idea and believes that it is noble and pure and good and an excellent idea.
00:11:09.000I'm talking about the leadership that I've met, that I've investigated, that I have gone and interviewed on the air, in the studio, with my cameras, at their events.
00:11:19.000It is nothing but delusional power tripping.
00:11:22.000And there's kind of a sad custom around the world of nobody's just declaring that they're generous.
00:11:31.000Nobody's just affixing themselves in these fancy uniforms.
00:11:36.000And I really, frankly, think it's a COINTELPRO operation.
00:11:39.000I know some of these people are just rubes and idiots and, as I said earlier, ne'er-do-wells who basically like to present each other with medals and strut around feeling powerful.
00:11:52.000But I've looked at the zenith right when the Republic of Texas kicked off.
00:11:56.000It was a crowd of people that loved to play secret agent, that loved to run around in the desert in their Jeeps, in, again, general outfits, thinking everyone was coming after them, everyone was getting them phone calls with coded messages, running around filing everyone was getting them phone calls with coded messages, running around filing questionable paperwork on police and
00:12:21.000And so it gave something, a bad name, that is extremely legitimate, extremely popular, and they've even done polls in Texas and compared them to other polls in other states.
00:12:32.000We're the one state that has got the real momentum and the real population to lead other states into leaving the union, because it's a fraud now, and reforming the union.
00:12:48.000I mean, imagine, folks, that you'll have somebody who's got maybe five members of his Republic of Texas, and he declares himself president.
00:12:56.000And literally, you know, they come, say, to the TV studio to do an interview.
00:13:03.000Or, say, 1997, 1998, and their envoy walks in and goes, the President's about to be here, and starts looking around, hmm, security, hmm, do you realize you treat the President with special respect?
00:13:15.000And then some ne'er-do-well comes walking through the door with lots of jewelry and big nugget rings and this ridiculous cowboy hat.
00:13:25.000And you start asking them cowboy head questions.
00:13:26.000They don't know which end of the horse is what.
00:14:04.000We had a Congress Of the elected representatives from the state legislatures, from the colonies at that time, the Colonial Federation, before it then became, about a year later, an actual Declaration of Independence.
00:14:19.000This stuff all started in 1775, and then they went and amongst themselves voted on who they thought would be the best general to lead the forces.
00:14:32.000Okay, and that's because it was a military operation from the beginning.
00:14:36.000We don't need a military operation from the beginning here.
00:14:38.000That automatically gives the globalists what they want.
00:14:41.000It automatically militarizes it from day one.
00:14:44.000In our Bill of Rights, in our Constitution, and in our state constitutions, we all have the right.
00:14:50.000Except for three or four western states, but by precedent they have it as well, because they were territories and never truly ceded state status.
00:14:58.000Some of those states out there really don't have that power, though I believe through precedent they do.
00:15:03.000But clearly states like Texas and New York and New Hampshire and Vermont, these very important states, they have a total right and a duty to secede.
00:15:15.000It's in the Declaration of Independence.
00:15:20.000But out of the gates, we have clowns dressing up in military outfits in the one state where we got 23 million people, where we have a real heritage of being an independent country, where we could really get this job done.
00:15:34.000Out of the gates, people acted like a bunch of insane clowns, militarizing it from the first millisecond that it was born.
00:15:45.000And so it's seen as buffoonery and clownery and quackery from the word dot.
00:15:53.000I mean, if you really want to remove ourselves from the Union, we do what we've done with the Patriot Act resolutions.
00:15:58.000And I'm not tooting my own horn, folks, but I got on air.
00:16:02.000Right after the Patriot Act passed, I said the key is to have states and cities and counties pass laws that they're going to follow the Constitution of the state and the federal government, and that this is null and void.
00:16:12.000And I put that idea out, and I wrote proposals, and others picked it up and approved upon it, and in some cases watered it down, and now over 400 cities and towns, but now seven states have done it.
00:16:24.000So these are real ideas here, folks, because I use a historical lens to be able to come up with these ideas.
00:16:33.000And so I don't want to get an email or a letter threatening me because I don't worship the Republic of Texas because I don't want to dress up in a militia outfit and automatically get on their turf and automatically militarize this.
00:16:52.000We take over societies, ladies and gentlemen.
00:16:55.000We don't just automatically run out and start declaring ourselves Admirals and Generals and Supreme Rulers.
00:17:02.000And then you ended up with, no exaggeration, there had to be 15 different Presidents at one time, all battling with each other, declaring themselves Supreme Rulers.
00:17:32.000So now I've been ranting for the first ten minutes here.
00:17:34.000It's just that this frustrates me so badly.
00:17:39.000I mean, if you really want to have Texas as an independent country, which I would just absolutely love, and I don't want to hear, ooh, the Muslims will kill us if we do that, oh, we've got to have our big military to do this, it's all pure baloney, ladies and gentlemen.
00:17:57.000It's because a private group of individuals have seized control of our government and are using our government as a military tool for global domination.
00:18:05.000And then we're not even really a target even though that's happening.
00:18:07.000The globalists target us to keep us in line with their operations to be their good little slaves.
00:18:15.000And I am for the reformation of the Union.
00:18:19.000But we're not going to march on the District of Columbia and have some glorious battle as all these provocateurs, and that's a pure sign.
00:18:26.000These people that openly get on the air and call for open insurrection, attacking the President, attacking D.C.
00:18:32.000If you say that, and you get away with that, you are a big fat fit.
00:18:36.000We've seen countless examples of that.
00:18:38.000They're provocatoring, trying to radicalize us, so they can then go get certification against our organizations from the Department of Defense.
00:18:47.000To then rule us covertly as enemy combatants.
00:18:50.000By the way, that's been going on a long time before George Bush used the term.
00:18:53.000We've got documents where Clinton was calling militias enemy combatants in 1995.
00:18:58.000So, I hope you realize this, ladies and gentlemen.
00:19:03.000We are the people fighting the seditious, larcenous, traitorous pieces of trash.
00:19:09.000I want to remove from the Union To then call a new Congress of the states, with the legislatures, and first it would take all the legislatures, with the vote, with the jury, with the grand jury, with every tool we've got, we the people need to seize control, levers of power again, and this takes an educational process that is ongoing as we speak, you're part of that right now, and then we must reconstitute the Union.
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00:24:28.000One of my staff has a friendly little two-year-old basset hound which I like dearly named Baron and Baron during the last segment was right outside the sound studio here which is soundproof to some extent but I think it even blocked out the basset hound but I kind of wish it didn't I wish we could have the sounds of howling basset hounds on the air it's a cute little creature all right why am I now again talking about basset hounds ladies and gentlemen you are not tuning in to hear about basset hounds are you?
00:25:23.000And at the very same time that it's coming out that Australia wants to arrest you, if you even criticize the government, And put you in jail for seven years if you protest the war?
00:25:33.000Folks, you can go read mainstream Australian newspapers.
00:26:09.000Of course, it turns out the Australian government was clearly involved with the FBI and the Bali bombing, bombing some of their own citizens on the eve of the war to bolster support.
00:26:19.000Whenever Bloomberg gets in trouble for random searches violating the Fourth Amendment all over the streets and in the trains, Magically, Al-Qaeda pops up and there's fake threats of bombs that are about to happen.
00:26:39.000That's right, the suicide bombings of July 7th were not the worst attacks that we could expect in Britain, according to the former head of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove, who retired last year as the head of the Secret Intelligence Service, said chemical, biological, and genetic terrorism was in the prospect, and a nuclear attack could not be ruled out.
00:26:58.000And he said, acknowledging that the July bombings were very lethal, well I'd say so, your agency clearly carried them out.
00:27:04.000He said that they did not amount to a strategic terrorist event.
00:27:08.000Sir Richard, who was talking part in a debate on terrorism arranged by the city law firm Asshurst, said the July attacks bore the characteristics of a locally planned and carried out event.
00:27:25.000Right there at the MI6 building on the river.
00:27:28.000However, we probably had to conclude that the clock is running on some of the more dreadful events that could occur.
00:27:35.000And he went on to say that it could happen any time that a nuclear bomb or dirty bomb could go off.
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00:32:06.000Being in government means never having to say you're sorry.
00:32:09.000What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George?
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00:42:01.000Let's just go to calls and then I'll get into the abortion loving Alito, your new Supreme Court Communist.
00:42:08.000And just a bunch of other bird flu, total fear-mongering, a bunch of new developments.
00:42:13.000But let's just ram through some of these calls first.
00:42:45.000The last few weeks or so, I've heard some language that I almost feel like I can't allow my kids to listen, so I just want to, I guess, caution you about that.
00:42:53.000There's got to be a lot of families that would love to listen to you, but that's a sensitive issue.
00:42:58.000Well, I mean, I've repeated what the President said when he said, I want that GD ship going to the bottom, and we've always tried to have higher standards here.
00:43:06.000Yeah, I mean, the SOB comment, those kind of things, to me, I know you get excited, we all get excited and fervent about this, but I just want to let my kids listen, but they're pretty young, and Let me say this, Steve.
00:43:39.000I just try to be myself, and I'm going to be quite honest with you.
00:43:42.000I'm someone who's never used a lot of profanity, but I've been working with a lot of people and doing a lot of stuff.
00:43:49.000And I'm not going to get into details.
00:43:51.000I do need to watch even, not that it's not even profanity, but just... You know, I did say SOB about FEMA saying George Washington is a terrorist.
00:44:32.000We're on the edge of this going from Cold War to Hot War, and I've been kind of letting it all hang out, as they say, or getting it on, as they say, getting the fight on.
00:44:42.000And so I've been pretty charged up, pretty amped up, pretty fired up.
00:44:47.000But no, I appreciate legitimate criticism, because listen, I'm a human being.
00:44:56.000Every program We hear about what the government's doing and the things that are going on which are bad.
00:45:04.000It would be great to put out some sort of a five things or ten things that we as everyday common ordinary citizens can and should be doing to combat this and make it a difference.
00:45:20.000I want every listener out there to think about this and write up the ten things that you think we should do and to email them all to tips at infowars.com.
00:45:29.000And we'll put them all together in some big hundred-page article using the best ones we get with the ten things we can do.
00:45:39.000I'd like to hear your ideas, so send me those emails.
00:45:41.000And tell us right now, what are some of the things we can do?
00:45:46.000Tell me, what's your idea on what we should do?
00:45:49.000Well, I think first and foremost we need to preach the Word of God.
00:45:53.000That's how we can make a difference in the hearts and lives of everyday people and get them thinking about No, what is right and what is wrong.
00:46:01.000But that doesn't mean the 550 counterfeits that are out there.
00:46:05.000Which is why I end up steering away from the whole thing because most of these preachers are about where you find the devils in church.
00:46:10.000But me personally, I'm not really sure what I literally can be doing So that's why I asked that question, not because I have all the answers, because I'm looking for, you know, what are some five or six things that I should and can't be doing?
00:46:26.000Well, this is a long-term battle, and I appreciate your call.
00:46:40.000I've observed it from primitive cultures, where you really don't see the children revolting against their elders.
00:46:45.000I observed it in wartime situations from studying war that if you take children and you explain to them there's a danger and there's an enemy that wants to get them and we're a family we're a tribe we're together we're your elders and if you really are a man I don't mean act like a man there's a lot of if you are a man and try to impart to them by the time they're about five years of age Start literally indoctrinating them.
00:47:10.000I mean, if you don't instruct your children, the government will, folks.
00:47:13.000I mean, they're designed to be instructed.
00:47:15.000But if you come at it, oh, you can't drink and party, and you can't go see that R-rated movie because you're not old enough, it's too fun.
00:47:22.000But then you're always going off and seeing them.
00:47:24.000You know, your child's not going to listen to you.
00:47:26.000Or if you explain to your child, listen, they're going to push drugs on you and tell you they're fun.
00:47:31.000But really the government ships them in and they want to catch you with the drugs to put you in a private prison openly owned by the drug dealer.
00:47:40.000How they actually trap you and you go through this and you have to take your child down and show them the mental institution with people that have mental breakdowns because of drugs, legal and illegal.
00:47:54.000You take them and you show them crack whores on the side of the street.
00:47:58.000I mean, I remember driving around in Dallas with my dad as a child when he was going to do business, and he'd see some drug addicts, junkies, and he'd pull over and he'd park in a parking lot.
00:48:26.000I will tell my children, and I already do, by the way.
00:48:28.000I already tell my three-year-old this stuff, and he understands it.
00:48:31.000You know, you explain to them that the police were once good, but now they've been taken over by private interests, and that they are now, again, working for a private group of criminals that seeks to basically feed off of us, and that sometimes they can still help us, but overall, that they've been corrupted.
00:48:49.000I mean, you really have to do this, folks.
00:48:51.000And so if you raise your children, that the family's all they've got, they've got to defend that family.
00:50:03.000But if you don't come at it as, I'm dominating you, I'm telling you, you better do as I say, or I'm going to do this and that to you.
00:50:10.000No, if you give them responsibilities at a young age, and then commend them for that, and engineer that sense of worth into them, because of that independence, then it's going to be amazing.
00:50:25.000I mean, obviously your children shouldn't watch TV, they shouldn't be in public school, that peer pressure will ruin them.
00:50:31.000You should take them out in the woods for a couple weeks a year when they get old enough and live off the land.
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00:54:08.000Because there's a war on for your mind.
00:54:11.000Everything George Bush is doing is diametrically opposed to the Republican Party platform.
00:54:24.000Anti-gun judges, pro-abortion judges, open border promoting bureaucrats over the federal agencies.
00:54:33.000It's unbelievable, and I literally had one of my friends, who's a big neocon, last night at the TV station, argue with me, and he said, George Bush is anointed of God, is controlled by God, he's too stupid physically, he's actually possessed by God, and God is controlling Bush, and Bush basically is some type of Christ creature.
00:55:14.000And if there was any doubt about where U.S.
00:55:16.000Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito stands on abortion, his 90-year-old mother quickly and decisively put the question to rest.
00:55:28.000And it goes on, of course he's against abortion.
00:55:30.000Rose Alito told the Associated Press in a telephone interview from her Hamilton, New Jersey home.
00:55:35.000Her candid statement may go down in history as the most blunt and honest admission of the Supreme Court nominee's view of the hot button issue.
00:55:41.000But the true test of appeals court judge isn't which their personal views they hold, Let's double think.
00:55:47.000But to what extent those personal views may influence how they rule in particular cases?
00:56:23.000The last few years were put in by Republicans.
00:56:27.000And I've told Democrats, you should love George Bush.
00:56:30.000If you really love Hillary Clinton, and you really love Bill Clinton, they're for the war, they're for attacking Syria, they're for all this stuff.
00:56:36.000The Democrats on almost every issue are out-bushing Bush.
00:56:40.000Well, on some issues, he's out Clinton and Clinton.
00:56:43.000There's no difference in action, just in rhetoric.
00:57:04.000My heart did a flip-flop, and the reason being, over the last couple days,
00:57:09.000I've come across some articles regarding that, the Second Vermont Republic, and I did some research on the people that were speaking at those conventions, Mr. Naylor, someone named Kunstler, Kirkpatrick, a bunch of different names, and it seems that everything these people have written falls totally in line with sustainability, Agenda 21, All those kinds of things.
00:57:37.000So I think it would be incredibly pertinent if you would grill him on that.
00:57:42.000If you can get him to come to the table with how he feels about those kind of issues.
00:57:47.000Well, for those that don't know, sustainability equals feudalism, serfdom.
00:57:53.000And it's the excuse to put us in compact cities, force us off the land, totally enslave us, tax the daylights out of us.
00:59:28.000We've got several great guests coming up.
00:59:31.000David Swanson, co-founder of the AfterDowningStreet.org and Bush's Real Approval Ratings.
00:59:37.000We'll be talking about that coming up in 30 minutes.
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00:59:51.000And then Thomas H. Naylor, founder of the Second Vermont Republic Movement, which is pushing a resolution to have Vermont pull out of the Union.
01:00:00.000So we'll get into that coming up a little bit later.
01:00:04.000Right now, let's go back to your calls.
01:00:10.000Yeah, I'm curious what effect you think resolutions against the Patriot Act and videos and things are going to have against tanks and foreign troops when they cut this bird flu and martial law against us.
01:00:26.000It means the police officers, and it means the military, and it means that members of Congress, like Ron Paul and many others, are speaking up, and the state rep out in Arizona who said if martial law is declared, they'll pull out of the union, and they'll resist.
01:00:41.000It means that public opinion will be against it.
01:00:43.000It's like when the gun confiscation began in New Orleans.
01:00:46.000We screamed bloody murder for the first two days.
01:01:03.000Well, I just noticed that it seems like the globalists go after those who are advocating physically fighting against them instead of these parliamentary maneuvers.
01:01:12.000And I remember what you did to Mark Kernkey's show in November 2003, liar!
01:01:44.000There are like a hundred postings on the internet saying I run Genesis and I decide who's on the air.
01:01:49.000I have absolutely no programming decisions.
01:01:52.000I talk to Ted Anderson probably every two weeks and the network was gracious enough to let you do a show when somebody was in prison and you savaged them for month after month and they finally said, I mean, people ought to be mad at you!
01:02:12.000That you lost somebody's show for them, and then you've got the nerve to drag me into it and lie about me?
01:02:48.000I'm here trying to... You don't like it that we're not trying to radicalize people and get them in trouble and get them all to go out and do something violent.
01:02:57.000I guess it upsets you that we're effective and the poll numbers are going in our direction now.
01:03:02.000And, uh, that we're actually starting to win.
01:03:05.000And that I'm on the air on AM and FM stations all over the country, exposing martial law and fighting it so they may not be able to pull it off.
01:03:13.000You know, we effectively stopped the four smallpox inoculation with talk radio.
01:03:33.000I don't know why people... it's just at every level it's a lie.
01:03:39.000I have nothing to do with programming decisions and I think the programming decision they made after I heard about it in the aftermath was an excellent one.
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01:06:01.000What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George?
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01:06:23.000It's time to stand up for what you believe.
01:07:47.000Because no one can question me when I'm a wartime president.
01:07:52.000And then there's all the opium money, the weapons sales money, the trillions of dollars in oil they secure, and then don't let flow and artificially jack up prices.
01:08:01.000We have the memos from the oil companies shutting down refineries on purpose to create an artificial bottleneck.
01:08:17.000I've told the left over and over again, if you love Bill Clinton, you should love George Bush.
01:08:24.000And, uh, they just don't want to hear it because they're into rhetoric.
01:08:29.000They're not into reality, what these politicians are doing.
01:08:33.000But more and more people from across the political spectrum, whether they call themselves right-wing or left-wing, just are seeing the out-of-control Corporate cronyism, the fascism that is developing, and there is a huge awakening taking place.
01:08:47.000And we have not just the Treasury Secretary O'Neill going public, or Richard Clark going public, we have the PNAC documents from September 2000, Rebuilding America's Defenses, written by Dick Cheney and Jeff Bush, where they say Saddam has been a threat, but we'll use Uh, the threat of weapons of mass destruction as the pretext to secure the oil and use Iraq as a military launch base for Iran and Syria.
01:09:10.000I mean, that's not Clark saying it, that's not Alex Jones saying it, it's not anybody saying it, it's Dick Cheney.
01:09:17.000Then the Downing Street memo comes out with, uh, where the top Blair people are in there going, you know, they're gonna go to war, we gotta lie about it, we gotta create some fake propaganda for them.
01:10:15.000They put the Ba'athists back into power.
01:10:17.000They created racial politics and tribal politics between those who consider themselves Persians and Arabs and Sunni and Shiite and Wahhabi and all this.
01:10:25.000And we've got Pentagon memos saying they want civil war.
01:10:28.000They want it to fall apart so they can stay there for decades.
01:10:31.000Failure is the plan because failure in bringing them peace and getting out of the country... Do the defense contractors want to be there one year and make a little bit of money or be there ten years and make trillions?
01:10:42.000They want to be there ten years and make trillions.
01:10:44.000So joining us is David Swanson, co-founder of AfterDowningStreet.org and Bush's real approval rating after the Downing Street memo.
01:10:53.000And we hear every week it's plunging, plunging, plunging.
01:10:55.000A lot of the real polls I trust have got him at 29 to 30 percent like Zogby, but CBS News has him at 35 and only 34 percent approve of his work.
01:11:06.000And once you hit this level, you just free fall.
01:11:09.000Thank you so much for coming on with us for a few minutes, David Swanson.
01:11:13.000And thank you for trying to keep a focus on what's happening with the Downing Street Memos.
01:11:20.000Tell us about your organization and why you guys started it and what you focus on.
01:11:24.000We are a coalition of over a hundred organizations.
01:11:27.000A lot of peace groups, community groups, military families, veterans groups, all opposed to the war and all Seeking to hold accountable those who sold us the war.
01:11:38.000We put the organization together as a coalition back in the middle of May, when the Downing Street Memo was huge news in Europe, but was unheard of here, and we hammered away at Congress and at the media.
01:11:52.000We made it a front-page story by the middle of June, and it was forgotten again by the end of June.
01:11:59.000But we've since been pushing numerous measures in Congress with With some encouraging results, including a resolution of inquiry that Congressman Kucinich has that's moving forward and what we saw Harry Reid do two days ago and Nancy Pelosi do today is the result of public pressure.
01:12:23.000Now specifically, I want to, right out of the gates, because I don't want to be a hypocrite, let's talk about the Democrats.
01:12:29.000Chuckie Schumer is up there attacking Bush about this right now, but it was all over the news at the time that the intelligence was fake.
01:12:35.000Chuckie and Hillary and the rest of them, now grandstanding, they went along with this war.
01:12:43.000In some cases, such as Hillary, they're still supporting it and actually want to escalate it.
01:12:47.000So there's a whole range of views here.
01:12:50.000So how do we deal with this when we've got both parties?
01:12:53.000And see, I know this is a key to stopping this war, saving our troops, saving the Iraqi people, and cutting off this $1 trillion a year cash flow going directly to Rumsfeld and Bush and Cheney is neutralize that partisan debate and explain to conservatives that, wait, Hillary's for it too!
01:13:10.000Because the only reason the conservatives are supporting this is because the neocons hold out this red cape, you know, kind of like we're a mindless bull and go, liberals, liberals, liberals are against the war!
01:13:22.000When in reality, a lot of the so-called liberal icons are for it.
01:13:25.000So I say get past the whole partisan debate, and then that really knocks the steam out of the neocons.
01:13:31.000Yeah, that would be terrific if you could go to Hillary and say, look, your support for the war is turning the right-wingers against it because they hate you so much.
01:13:41.000But, you know, I think it's also important to keep pointing out to everyone that the vast majority of Americans oppose the war.
01:13:49.000And support for the war is a dwindling minority position, regardless of what impression you might get from the so-called mainstream media.
01:14:16.000And then the question is, once we've got to 99% opposition to the war, will Congress act?
01:14:22.000And there have been a few encouraging signs in that regard, and there is a growing movement putting increasing pressure on Congress.
01:14:32.000You know, there was a lot of discouragement when we had the biggest rallies ever on the planet and the war went right ahead, or when we put all our energy into an election that did us no good and the war went right ahead.
01:14:45.000But now there's a movement building again, like it was before the war, and it's putting pressure on Congress.
01:14:52.000And we saw Harry Reid in the Senate two days ago more or less announce the existence of an opposition party in the Senate and demand that the Intelligence Committee do the investigation that it's been putting off for years.
01:15:05.000And today, Nancy Pelosi in the House, you know, the Democratic leader, but for once actually leading Announced that she's going to be pushing in every committee for a serious investigation and in the House we have a resolution of inquiry that we're pushing hard for that will come to a vote in about ten days.
01:15:28.000But at a certain level isn't this political brand standing ahead of these elections that are coming up?
01:15:35.000Well there aren't elections coming up Really, really soon in most of the country, but there always are elections.
01:15:41.000No, I mean, they want to drag out some committee for the next six, eight months into the midterm elections, and then I think basically just put the whole thing to sleep later.
01:15:51.000I mean, why do we even need an investigation?
01:15:54.000We have Dick Cheney's own admissions that Saddam wasn't a threat in the... How about saying forget the Downing Street memo?
01:16:02.000But that is a smoking gun, but it's as big a smoking gun as the PNAC documents.
01:16:09.000Well, I agree with you that we have more smoking guns than we can count, that we have powerful evidence that they knowingly lied about the reasons for war.
01:16:17.000And the insulting claims that, well, the war was really about this, and they throw out the latest idea, is just nonsense.
01:16:27.000When the President made a formal statement in a letter to Congress, as required by law, for why the war was necessary, and there were two reasons, and only two reasons in it, One was the immediate threat from Iraq's weapons, and one was the ties to 9-11.
01:16:42.000Both of those were known at the time by the President to be false, and this is well documented.
01:16:49.000But if we are going to impeach these guys, if we are going to get anything of what you and I are talking about into the mouths of the talking heads on the cable shows and then onto the pages of the New York Times, We are going to need Congress to act.
01:17:07.000I mean, I think an investigation into it will certainly even create more dislike and even lower approval ratings for the war, and then that'll be political capital to counter Bush's supposed political capital, another stolen election.
01:17:37.000So I just really don't see the Democrats being legitimate in their attacks on Bush because it's like having another Mafia Don go after his neighboring Don when the two were working together on the crime that the other Mafia Don's going after him for now.
01:18:12.00072% of Democrats want Bush impeached for lying about the war.
01:18:17.000And we have not a single Democratic candidate for Congress or incumbent in the House of Representatives Well, they've had national polls where 50% of the American people want an impeachment.
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01:23:58.000The neocons are just front men for these big corporate interests.
01:24:01.000And I hear Democrats on TV, I hear them on the radio, I read them in the newspaper, oh, we need to keep our troops in Iraq, that's how we support them, by not letting the others die in vain, but we do need to punish Bush for lying.
01:24:12.000Now that we're there, we've got to stay!
01:24:20.000Well, I think that we have to have Republicans on our side, and we have to take on Democrats when they don't stand up for what people want them to stand up for, which is most of the time.
01:24:29.000You know, there are a lot of Republicans in our coalition, and recovering Republicans, and former Republicans.
01:24:36.000And when Barbara Lee's resolution of inquiry into the Downing Street memos failed by one vote in the International Relations Committee on September 14th, one Republican voted for it, one voted present, that is, I abstain, and a couple of them stayed out of the room to be nice and not vote against it.
01:24:58.000When Kucinich's resolution of inquiry into the White House-Iraq Group comes up for a vote in a week and a half or so...
01:25:05.000We're hoping to have four or five Republicans with us and pass it and scare the hell out of them.
01:25:11.000But isn't it lying to Congress that Powell and Armitage and Rumsfeld went in there under oath and they lied over and over again about WMDs when they knew it was lies?
01:25:54.000So I guess we're just in deep trouble.
01:25:55.000And I mean, now there's all this discussion of martial law, Bush wants to save us, and he's giving his cronies billions of dollars, and Tamiflu, and a bunch of his administrations making money off of it.
01:26:48.000Yeah, that's bizarre because, of course, we have print and video and radio documentation of Rumsfeld and Bush and Powell and Rice and so on, making these statements as fact over and over again on the national media.
01:27:04.000Things that they had been told by the CIA were false, by the International Atomic Energy Agency, by the Energy Department, by the Czechs, by the Germans, by the Brits.
01:27:16.000They had been told that these claims were false.
01:27:20.000They went out and stated them as fact over and over again.
01:27:24.000Well, yeah, they claimed they were given bad intelligence, but it turns out they cooked that intelligence and then released it themselves out of the Vice President's office.
01:27:32.000That's right, and it's known that they did that, and it's known that they set up this group called the White House Dirac Group specifically to push phony propaganda.
01:27:41.000Well, let me say this at the close of this interview, and I really appreciate what your organization is doing.
01:27:44.000I think it is justice, and I have seen you criticizing the Democrats, and we need to get past partisanship and stop these wars, because the neocons aren't going to stop here.
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01:31:52.000I know we've got callers holding from the last hour, But I do have a guest with us right now and another guest coming up at the start of the next hour.
01:32:15.000I'll probably have time to make a few calls at the very end of this hour and then the last 30 minutes of the broadcast later.
01:32:20.000And I do want to get back into this new Supreme Court nominee, the latest fear-mongering with the bird flu.
01:32:30.000You know, our government says that we should accept martial law, and Bush wants six billion plus dollars, almost seven billion, to pay for the military to literally declare martial law, and for forced quarantines, forced inoculations, they're telling us now they'll restrict travel, lock down the cities, everything we always knew!
01:32:49.000And I've said over and over again, you know, at that point, you have to defend yourself.
01:32:55.000In the first hour, I wasn't knocking people who will physically defend themselves and who will defend this nation.
01:33:02.000What I was talking about was some of the Republican Texas types, and that means some of the different groups, you know, who just like to dress up in general outfits and run around playing secret agent and never getting anything done.
01:33:17.000And then I get criticized for saying we can get a lot done peaceably.
01:33:22.000And we have been getting a lot done peaceably.
01:33:26.000The globalists are moving forward and they can't declare martial law, they can't run their takeover that Ron Paul has openly talked about on this show, unless we go along with it, unless the police and military are conned into going along with it.
01:33:43.000So I can't believe the criticism I get.
01:33:46.000Much of it totally fabricated, but I guess, you know, one area that was contention, that was based in some reality, you know, was saying that I don't want to just, you know, run around and start a shooting war.
01:33:57.000And I always, because that's what the globalists want, they want to go ahead and get a physical fight going on.
01:34:02.000I never get up there, there's all these people on the air, calling for violence, calling for physical war, and they never get in trouble because they're feds.
01:34:10.000And then other people hear that and they get mad at me because I won't call for going out and blasting judges.
01:34:16.000I mean, I've heard this routinely on the radio.
01:34:24.000They want to push us into that area so that they can then engage us because we're too effective right now with what we're doing peaceably.
01:34:33.000All right, my guest is holding, and I appreciate him coming on with us.
01:34:37.000We've had the director of the organization on.
01:34:38.000Now we have, I'm honored to have, Craig Manoa, Organic Consumer Association Staff Scientist, on how Congress has rammed through a sneak attack on organic standards despite massive consumer opposition and how the organic food standard has been ruined.
01:34:56.000And we have an article That's right now up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com by the Organic Consumers Association.
01:35:05.000Organic food standards ruined by Congress and it gets into what happened.
01:35:09.000Congress rams through OTA sneak attack on organic standards despite massive consumer opposition.
01:35:16.000And for those that haven't paid attention to this, and I'm going to go to our guest here in a moment, It isn't just that organic food tastes better.
01:35:25.000It isn't just that it has more nutrition in it.
01:35:27.000It isn't just that it doesn't have chemical pesticides that eat your liver.
01:35:33.000It isn't just that cancer is up over 500% from the vaccines and the genetic engineering and the toxins and the things we eat and do and all the additives.
01:35:43.000It's that we've had top scientists, Nobel Prize winners on.
01:37:44.000Yeah, it's definitely a difficult There's been a huge uproar within the organic industry and among organic consumers about this whole situation.
01:37:56.000When the initial rider was created and proposed to the Senate, within a matter of three days there was 250,000 letters sent by consumers to their Senators opposing this rider.
01:38:12.000And immediately after that went straight to conference committee just because it was obviously such an issue of contention.
01:38:18.000Sat in that conference committee for about three weeks and most of the organic community wasn't allowed to be a part of the process of discussing the text of that rider whether it should be going whether it shouldn't be going.
01:38:37.000The conference committee was being heavily lobbied by the creators of the rider itself.
01:38:44.000The creators of the rider were some of these big food companies like Kraft Foods, Dean Foods, which is the largest dairy distributor in the country.
01:38:54.000These are the businesses that can really benefit by weakening the organic standards.
01:39:00.000Basically, though, the organic market is booming.
01:39:04.000There's a lot of money to be made there, and it's difficult, it's expensive to make a truly legitimate organic product.
01:39:12.000And that's why consumers paid more for it.
01:39:14.000And so these big food companies, by weakening the organic standards, they can create less expensive food products, sell it as organic, make a good profit off of it, and In the meantime, the consumer assumes that they're really getting a legitimate organic product.
01:39:33.000Specifically, sir, tell us about your particular scientific discipline and then give us an overview for those that don't know why organics are important and what really truly sets the parameters.
01:39:49.000for a true organic food or food product, and then try to put that in context for the layman like myself out there, what this new law means.
01:40:01.000Well, my background is in chemistry, biology, and ecology.
01:40:05.000I've been working mostly with the nonprofit community for about a part of a decade.
01:40:11.000I also serve as an official advisor to the United Nations Environmental Program.
01:40:20.000As far as the benefit of organics, you're looking at an environmental positive impact, you're looking at positive health impacts, and you're looking at positive social economic impacts.
01:40:35.000The environmental aspect, you're not using synthetic fertilizers, you're not using synthetic pesticides, all of which are leaching into the soil and running off into the surface water.
01:40:45.000on the health impact, the pesticides that you're using on these crops are literally biocides.
01:40:55.000They're created to kill life, and you want it to kill the weeds or kill the insects, but it ends up obviously going on the food, and then those residues can be traced into the food itself.
01:41:07.000So, for example, your average box of Cheerios, if you test it, there are 18 different residues of different types of pesticides within those Cheerios.
01:41:37.000And when you think about how eating those types of foods all day, every day, and the different types of chemicals, how those different types of chemicals are mixing within the different food products.
01:41:47.000Fifty years ago, it was rare that people had zits all over their face.
01:41:51.000Now, our kids all have zits all over the place.
01:41:53.000They got human growth hormone in the milk, which is tied to, you know, Early development in sexual organs in males and females, the feminization of the male population, the females developing early, all sorts of studies increasing, increases in cancers.
01:42:24.000The process of creating the USDA Organic Standards has really been an uphill battle the whole way just because we're constantly dealing with the heavy lobbying influences of big agribusiness.
01:43:13.000And a big part of the process that's currently taking place is these big companies that were initially opposing the organics or arguing against the side that supported organics are just simply stepping in and buying up these organic companies.
01:43:37.000Specifically, what is the change with this new law?
01:43:43.000Well the new law basically, well there's three different tiers to it but one of them is a commercial availability clause.
01:43:52.000Right now within the organic standards there is a clause that says that if there's a certain type of ingredient that's agriculturally derived that you can't find on the market on an organic level or at a level that's actually affordable then a company can use just the conventional form of that ingredient instead of using the organic ingredients.
01:45:32.000We oftentimes get people equating us with just being dirty hippies and not understanding what the whole organic market is about, what organic foods are.
01:45:43.000Really quite simply, it's the way that our grandparents farmed.
01:46:47.000And as soon as this rider came out, most of the organic industry was opposed to it because most of the organic industry is made up of small family farmers and the like.
01:47:00.000Congress is doing nothing now that is popular.
01:47:03.000Yeah, it was quite interesting because with 300,000, ultimately over 300,000 letters came into this conference committee that was meeting on it and they were opposed to this rider.
01:47:16.000But this conference committee, which was made up predominantly of Republicans, was meeting behind closed doors and being, again, lobbied by the creators of this rider.
01:47:28.000And they ultimately met without the Democratic members there The Democrats that were part of the conference committee actually had some compromised text for a rider that wouldn't do this.
01:47:41.000But they met, and the conference committee endorsed the rider ultimately without any of the Democrats there.
01:47:49.000So it's completely a GOP-supported process.
01:47:52.000Well, for those that don't know, I hear Limbaugh get on the air routinely, and I don't even listen very much, and say that it's all lies, George Washington Carver, genetically engineered crops, that a dog is genetically engineered.
01:48:07.000Yes, but that's in your assignment, so I want you to comment on this.
01:48:10.000We've had geneticists on, folks, genetic engineers.
01:48:13.000You're taking the genetics the dog already had and manipulating those genetics, and that can still cause a lot of problems, and all sorts of weird traits and illnesses the dog wouldn't have, genetic illnesses.
01:49:06.000We don't know how the spread of that pollen would affect wildlife around it.
01:49:11.000But as you know, Terminator technology has jumped into other species.
01:49:16.000Yep, there has been a lot of studies that have shown that, but the Terminator gene has been A huge issue of contention and just passed a major hurdle actually internationally in the last couple of weeks here.
01:49:28.000That looks like it is going to be approved here.
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01:53:12.000I think what our friend who's online with us said really boils it down.
01:53:17.000You know, I babbled about it for a couple minutes and he just condensed it down to its basic element.
01:53:22.000And we appreciate Craig Manoa coming on, Organic Consumer Association Staff Scientist, on how Congress has rammed through a sneak attack to where you won't even be able to really, in many areas, get organic food now that they have their way.
01:53:36.000And we'll tell you about their website before he leaves us here in just a few minutes.
01:54:22.000Well, one of the positive things that's been happening is that there's a lot of good solid science coming out right now that's proving over and over and over again that there is a serious situation going on with this overuse of synthetic fertilizers and synthetic pesticides.
01:54:39.000And it's taking a long time to grind that into the skulls of our policy makers, but the evidence is there and the consumers know it.
01:54:48.000Because of that, you're seeing the organic market just explode.
01:54:52.000Given the fact that the organic market is exploding That's having an influence on what's happening on an agricultural level internationally where we're seeing Sustainable agriculture is growing quicker than it ever has of course.
01:55:06.000It's got to compete at the same time with the the growth of the genetically modified organism market and the spread the contamination of
01:55:19.000Well, the studies I've looked at, and I'm not pooh-poohing that some of these fertilizers and pesticides are really bad, but at the same time, the evidence I've seen is I'm much more worried about these chimera cross-species creations.
01:55:39.000Yeah, there's been some interesting new species developed.
01:55:44.000One was a cross between a jellyfish and a potato, where they took the gene out of the jellyfish for the potato.
01:55:53.000The goal was to create a potato that would start to glow if it started to get too dry, so the farmer would know when it was time to water.
01:56:03.000These are the kind of developments that the genetic engineers are coming up with.
01:56:08.000Now, the science itself, You know, maybe in another decade or so we would have a handle on it enough to start thinking about creating food from it, but it's a young enough science that we're just not in a spot to have our food production taken over so predominantly as it has.
01:56:27.000Well, where is this going from this point?
01:56:30.000I mean, how do we try to reverse this, or what are some of the seals that we can trust now that we can't trust the federal seal?
01:56:39.000Well, the USDA organic seal, you can still trust, and this rider is going through, but the whole bureaucratic process of creating a product line, getting it certified, and creating your packaging, and your labeling, and everything like that, you're not going to see foods come onto the market with this.
01:56:59.000Yeah, that'll be a year or two, but I mean, what are these private seals?
01:57:05.000Yeah, the private fields, they're pretty difficult.
01:57:11.000The standards behind them are... There's so many details in any organic standard, it's so difficult to actually understand, you know, all the different levels of it.
01:57:21.000Okay, sir, please give us the website for the organization.
01:59:10.000Thank you so much indeed for allowing me to talk and your show is number one and thank you so much again for the truth that you give us all.
01:59:23.000One thing that today in Ontario, Canada, actually the Muslims in Canada they want From the government of Canada that they practice their own Shariat laws, which is barbaric in nature and Talibanic in nature.
01:59:39.000And the Canadian government today said no, you cannot do that.
01:59:43.000Is that where they march around beating themselves on the head with swords?
01:59:50.000And now they are suing the government of Canada.
01:59:53.000I mean, this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever came up to.
01:59:58.000And another thing I would like to... Well, I would just say, because of the sanitation and the danger, a bunch of people, thousands of people, running around, beating themselves in the head with swords, bleeding everywhere.
02:00:25.000I'm not assuming the government of Canada for millions of dollars or they need to give them the right to bring a Taliban government, a Talibanic nature into Ontario, Canada.
02:01:34.000But let me just ask you a question, who do you, I mean certainly our governments are importing radical Islam to try to create a problem.
02:01:41.000It's just like they fund the white supremacists, they fund the black supremacists, they fund the macho people, you know, they put this black doctor on C-SPAN so he can kill all the whites.
02:01:49.000I mean they want to set each other's throats, but let me just ask you a question, I'm curious.
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02:06:28.000Founder of the Second Vermont Republic.
02:06:31.000Which is pushing a resolution that the state of Vermont peaceably and democratically free itself from the United States of America and return to its natural status as an independent republic as it was between January 15, 1777 and March 4, 1791 or 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 years.
02:06:44.000Before we go to our guest, just some background.
02:06:50.000Before we go to our guests, just some background.
02:06:53.000Four and a half years ago, I had a prominent state rep on from Arizona who was moving to pull out of the Union, give martial law, or gun confiscation began.
02:07:02.000Now martial law is being set up publicly and gun confiscation has begun all over the country in different areas and different guises, especially New Orleans.
02:07:09.000Ron Paul talked about that here on air just a few weeks ago.
02:07:20.000Don't have to read that on Infowars.com or PrisonPlanet.com anymore.
02:07:23.000You can go read that in the Associated Press today.
02:07:27.000We had New Hampshire was to vote, what, on September 20th.
02:07:35.000Just a few days after 9-11 it was set they were going to have a statewide vote and they had the majority of the counties and the select men and mayors about to vote to invoke Article 10 to remove themselves from the union because of all the big spending and government out of control behavior.
02:07:50.000The Republic of Texas, we could pull out here.
02:07:52.000The problem is it was hijacked by ne'er-do-wells and people who wanted to strut around in general outfits.
02:07:58.000Instead of people that wanted to be just mainstream about it and take the country back.
02:08:19.000We had callers, a caller, and I've even got some e-mails and faxes coming in, going, well this Thomas H. Naylor guy, he's for all the sustainability stuff, and when you hear the word sustainability, folks, that means serfdom, feudalism.
02:09:01.000Well, you know, the global corporations control the IMF, the World Bank, the World Health Organization, the UN, our government.
02:09:08.000and they're using these international laws, a lot of them with nice-sounding names, to codify through local governments their agenda.
02:09:17.000And since I had a call about this and a few emails and faxes, I thought I'd raise it to you.
02:09:22.000Oh, yeah, no, I mean, we're unconditionally opposed to the tyranny of globalization.
02:09:27.000And in terms of your reference to sustainability, sustainability in Vermont means small towns, small villages, small businesses, small farms, small schools, you know, back to the land, sense of community, sense of Yeah, you're saying Walmart, Walmart's killing our communities and I agree with that.
02:09:46.000Oh yeah, I mean Walmart is the antithesis of community, of sustainability.
02:09:52.000Yeah, I think what's happening is a lot of good conservative people now Uh, they're seeing a lot of people who are middle of the road or libertarian or left waking up to this.
02:10:01.000And I know a lot of, quote, liberals out buying guns, waking up to the scams, you know, getting involved, figuring out both parties are corrupt.
02:10:08.000And then a lot of conservatives see that and go, well, no, they're really part of the enemy.
02:10:16.000When people see that I'm having an effect and reaching out and actually waking people up, well why is Alex able to do that?
02:10:22.000We all need to just secretly hide out, five of us in camo, and wait for the end of the world.
02:10:34.000Well, that's enough ranting and raving for me.
02:10:36.000Just tell us about yourself and why you decided to do this, because I think overall it's very healthy.
02:10:42.000Well, basically, there's two ideas underlying the Second Vermont Republic.
02:10:49.000We're concerned, first and foremost, about the loss of moral authority of the United States government.
02:10:56.000We think it's corrupt to the core, it has no soul, and second of all, the entire country, the United States of America, We feel is unsustainable, ungovernable, and unfixable.
02:11:10.000And when I say unsustainable, I mean economically, politically, socially, morally, environmentally, militarily.
02:11:17.000Yeah, by using that buzzword that people misunderstood, you mean there's a giant hole in the bottom of the ship, it's going down.
02:11:23.000Yeah, so the question is, do you go down?
02:12:07.000I want states to secede, then have a new Continental Congress, and then reform a union if the states so choose.
02:12:14.000And I believe by joining together we do get something good, but we have to first take it back from the feds who've gotten arrogant, who've gotten away with this for so long.
02:12:22.000And folks, I've seen this so many times at businesses and companies and government.
02:12:26.000You get these arrogant people who think they can The sky's the limit, and pride goes before a fall, folks.
02:13:01.000First and foremost, our objective is, like you said in your introductory remarks, is we want to return Vermont to its status as an independent republic as it was back Between 1777 and 1791.
02:13:14.000And Vermont is one of the few states that has that identity, like Texas does, that we've met a country before, and that's why you guys have the lowest crime rate, some of the lowest taxes, and you've got... We're one of the least violent states.
02:13:29.000I mean, we have virtually no gun control laws, and we have no death penalty, and we're still one of the least violent states in the country.
02:13:45.000Objective one is that we want to split, we want to leave the Union.
02:13:50.000Objective two is we actually favor the peaceful dissolution of the Empire.
02:13:56.000We realize that if there are quite a few other states out there doing the same thing, which there are, there are about 25 states that have independence movements at the present time.
02:14:07.000So does Canada, and it's very powerful.
02:14:09.000It's a majority in some western areas.
02:14:12.000As a matter of fact, the separatist movement in Quebec is now soaring as a result of the big scandal with the Liberal Party that was just The report just came out night before last, and so the separatists are flying high once again in Quebec.
02:14:34.000We want separation of powers, but the government acts like that's bad.
02:14:39.000Yeah, I mean, sufficient is one of the few terms in which liberals and conservatives in this country can agree on.
02:14:47.000They both view it as anathema, that it's really bad because Lincoln told us that.
02:14:52.000And the problem is that with people who call themselves conservatives in the United States who would tend to favor decentralization, devolution, most American conservatives are such nationalists like Ronald Reagan and George Bush that their nationalism always trumps their tendency towards decentralization.
02:15:19.000We have been, and even brag, we have been totally seized by international corporations, using us as their slaves, as an engine for corrupt world empires.
02:16:05.000Well, you know, I was talking about that liberals and conservatives both are opposed to secession.
02:16:10.000Maybe to comment on the liberal side of the equation, the problem with liberals, and we have a big problem with them in Vermont, because about 60% of the people voted against Bush, and they call themselves progressives, and they support Congressman Bernie Sanders.
02:16:27.000And the progressives, in their heart of hearts, know that the only way to solve all of our problems It's through the federal government.
02:16:35.000And so that's kind of what you're up against with liberals.
02:16:38.000And I mean, they really don't get it that it doesn't make any difference in the next election whether Condoleezza Rice or Hillary Clinton is the candidate, the results are going to be equally grim.
02:16:50.000Because they're owned by the exact same people.
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02:22:16.000And so, we've gone so far in the other direction, we've got this to succeed, and then obviously there'll be agreements between our states and the neighboring state, and with whatever central government's left.
02:22:28.000But we need to go into Washington, and I mean tear down the National Monument, tear down the Capitol, and you're on.
02:22:37.000It's a giant, masonic, devil base, basically, and it has nothing to do with what this country's about.
02:22:43.000And we've got to talk in those type of extremes.
02:22:47.000Because that's the only way we're going to change anything.
02:22:49.000I mean, the federal government controlled by these private investors isn't going to stop.
02:22:52.000They want to force drugging just because the drug companies lobby and want to force us to take their products of every school-aged child in the country.
02:23:00.000They're going to give us national ID cards and track everything we do and put toll roads on all the major roads and sell off the rights to the royal family of Spain.
02:23:16.000We're going to take some calls coming up in the next segment for our guests at 1-800-259-9231, Reuben, Elias, and many others that are holding.
02:23:23.000But going back to Thomas H. Naylor, Thomas, how are you guys going about this?
02:23:31.000We know that people are angry and are upset.
02:23:34.000And I think this is a move that needs to start nationwide.
02:23:37.000This will finally get the attention of the parasites in Washington.
02:23:42.000Yeah, well we took a very big step forward last Friday, Alex.
02:23:46.000We had the first statewide convention on secession since May 20th, 1861 when North Carolina voted to secede and joined the Confederacy back at that time.
02:23:57.000We had over 300 people come to our convention and it was really a smashing success that attracted a huge amount of media attention both in Vermont and outside of the state.
02:24:11.000It was very invigorating and just the symbolism of holding this meeting in the House chambers of the State House.
02:24:27.000I'll tell you, this has been started a few other times.
02:24:29.000Before the Free State Project even existed, it almost happened in New Hampshire.
02:24:34.000Again, back in 2001, Arizona could do it.
02:24:37.000I know Texans, they've done polls, the idea of seceding is popular, but it's like a novelty joke, especially because the media only gave attention to people, and if you don't like hearing this folks, sorry, strutting around all announcing they were presidents and generals.
02:24:51.000There were dozens of generals and dozens of presidents and literal admirals because they owned a bass boat.
02:24:58.000Our founding fathers didn't do it that way.
02:25:00.000They set up a Congress with the elected individuals and leaders from the colonies, and then it wasn't until a year into the war that they even declared independence and that it was going to be a new nation.
02:25:11.000Yeah, that's kind of where we're headed.
02:25:14.000What we need is to convince the legislature to call a statewide convention to consider one and only one issue, namely articles of secession.
02:25:24.000And we probably need to pass that by about a two-thirds vote, then take that result to Washington, to embassies around the world seeking recognition, both by Washington and the other states, as well as Well, there also needs to be a Declaration of Independence.
02:25:44.000You need to go around and get the legislators to sign on those that won't.
02:25:49.000And it was very gratifying that we actually had several legislators showed up at the convention, even though it was not an official convention, but they were there and a major gubernatorial candidate was there as well.
02:26:06.000Well, the program though, I mean, can be systematically carried out.
02:26:09.000I mean, you just simply go in, poll the legislature, bring forward your grievances, bring forward your Declaration of Independence, why, what the king has done, what Washington has done, the powers and the legal investitures that are within the state constitution, as well as the federal constitution, Declaration of Independence, articles and bring those articles forward to every member of the legislature and question them
02:26:37.000and if they are not for it then seek as a independence party, the secession party, fight for independence to remove them, put your own people in office and then secede at that point cutting off all federal purse strings, programs and you're going to have a
02:26:56.000a hue and cry but once you explain to people that on average for a dollar taken from the state 30 cents is sent back with strings attached with the average of the state program 70 plus cents is sent back explain those statistics to people I think they'll have it in the bag.
02:27:09.000Yeah I mean that's essentially the you've outlined more or less the process that we're going to follow and we're kind of raising the stakes challenging the governor, the lieutenant governor, the congressional delegation asking you know where were they at the state convention Why did they refuse to send a statement, uh, taking a position on Vermont, uh... Well, stay there.
02:27:30.000We're gonna, we're gonna fire your website on the other side and take some calls.
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02:35:22.000Going back to our guest, who's just doing an amazing thing, moving towards secession for Vermont, and I would like to see that happen.
02:35:31.000I'd like to see the whole country adopt Uh, Vermont's rules and laws, which are more constitutional than any other state in the internet that I've seen.
02:35:39.000I mean, they have a concealed carry permit.
02:35:42.000They go, it's the Second Amendment, you don't need a permit, and their crime rate's the lowest in the union.
02:35:46.000We talked about that earlier, but I'm talking to Norman H. Naylor, heading up the second Vermont Republic movement, because there's been a republic before.
02:35:53.000Uh, Mr. Naylor, tell us about the website and how folks get involved.
02:36:04.000It has a great deal of information about the Second Vermont Republic, including membership information, and then we have a monthly newspaper called Vermont Commons.
02:36:42.000That's VermontRepublic.org and VTCommons.org.
02:36:50.000Now, you know full well if you guys start becoming successful, which I believe you will be successful to some degree, perhaps even go in the distance with this, if you keep it up, You know they're going to try dirty tricks on you.
02:37:03.000Well, you still like to think about that.
02:37:05.000I mean, people say, you know, how would the White House respond?
02:37:09.000And I think it's safe to say they would not be very amused, whoever is occupying the White House.
02:37:18.000But we're cautiously optimistic that part of what may... Well, I mean, you're mainstream.
02:37:25.000Again, you're not strutting around declaring yourself supreme ruler of the galaxy in a camouflage outfit.
02:37:32.000Right, and it's also kind of the absurdity of Vermont taking on the most powerful empire of all times, the USA, It's kind of classic David and Goliath.
02:37:48.000Sure, the federal government could snuff out Vermont, but what would they do?
02:37:55.000Try and destroy the black and white Holsteins?
02:37:57.000Imagine trying to enslave independent-minded Vermonters.
02:38:03.000And we take heart from the history of the Solidarity Movement over in Poland in the 1980s, which finally prevailed and drove out the Communist regime in 1989.
02:38:14.000And many people anticipated that the Soviet Union would intervene, and it never happened.
02:38:20.000Well, that's because their own soldiers supported the Poles!
02:39:01.000Well, I mean, you don't, day one, declare yourself president or declare yourself general and start strutting around with an entourage, driving around in limousines and filing paperwork saying you own the capital.
02:39:37.000I mean, you've got to love these people that shoot their mouths off all day about, Alex doesn't call for violence, he's bad, but I hear them shooting their mouth off for ten years, they never do it.
02:39:49.000If it's people out there milking their Holsteins, and people out there getting their maple syrup, and people out there hanging out with the terrorists, people walking around with their guns, I mean the Feds couldn't move in.
02:39:59.000They've got to stage some provocation.
02:40:02.000Yeah, plus it just wouldn't play very well to snuff out of them.
02:40:06.000I mean, Vermont has no military bases, we have very few military contractors, no big cities, no big buildings.
02:40:14.000The only strategic resource we've got is an aging nuclear power plant.
02:40:20.000I mean, you know, what would they do with Vermont if they took it?
02:40:25.000Well, they'll never get away with that.
02:40:26.000They'll just try to demonize it and move against it.
02:41:27.000Many people don't realize that of the 200 independent nation states in the world, Fifty of them are actually smaller than tiny Vermont with our 620,000 population.
02:41:39.000Of the ten richest countries in the world by per capita income, five of those are smaller than Vermont.
02:41:52.000And I mean, you know, the Icelands, the Liechtensteins, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, these are all Much smaller than Vermont, and they're in the top five.
02:42:01.000And what are the globalists trying to do?
02:42:03.000They're trying to shut down all those safe harbors.
02:42:05.000Yeah, and people say, well, it turns out for every dollar we pay to the Feds, we get back about $1.13 or $1.14.
02:42:15.000But that's really a wash when you consider the number of unfunded and underfunded mandated programs.
02:42:37.000See, we're forced to pay for many of these underfunded and unfunded programs that are not included in that one dollar.
02:42:44.000And so if you take that into consideration, it's not a loss.
02:42:47.000And then some people worry about, well, what about the national debt?
02:42:51.000Would Vermont have to pay its share of that?
02:42:53.000Well, if you assume that the net worth of the United States is positive, that the total assets exceed the liabilities, which I'm prepared to argue is true... Let me just stop you right there.
02:43:02.000That Federal Reserve System's a fraud.
02:43:05.000Its own founders admitted it was designed to get us in debt.
02:43:23.000Well, there's also the Comprehensive Annual Finance Review.
02:43:26.000There's an article in the American Free Press about it.
02:43:29.000There's money hidden all over this country.
02:43:31.000Well, yeah, what cities and counties and water districts do is they have their budget, which is their public books, what they decide to spend, and they have all their investments, which normally is two or three times bigger than their total budget.
02:43:41.000I was kind of amused by the gold advertisement earlier on your show, Alex.
02:43:46.000One of the ways we like to express it is that Every time George Bush opens his mouth, we recruit more members and the price of gold goes up, and the two are not unrelated.
02:44:53.000I mean, a rebel against the Fed, you know.
02:44:55.000If you've got a problem, even if you did accomplish such a thing in your wildest imagination, What would you do about the big power that's got us into these?
02:45:05.000Into this pickle, you might say, what's going on?
02:45:08.000And that, of course, is corporate power.
02:45:16.000We point out where bad corporations are abusing and colluding and engaging in racketeering.
02:45:21.000And we have the country or the counties within the country of Vermont indict those individuals if they're engaging in criminal activity.
02:45:31.000We start enforcing the laws Uh, that we have codified in the common law against these individuals.
02:45:37.000But instead of always talking about how our wildest dreams of this happen, as long as we say it's in our wildest dreams, it's never going to happen.
02:45:44.000You know, in our wildest dreams, we go to the new world.
02:45:46.000In our wildest dreams, we invent a car that isn't pulled by horses.
02:45:50.000And our wildest dreams, if we, you know, I can be in a studio here on a main street in Austin, Texas, talking, you know, to Minnesota, up satellite, up link, you're listening on however you're listening.
02:46:03.000And so, just the mere fact that you're interested in this, that you have this idea, you know, the journey of a thousand miles does start with a single step.
02:46:22.000So long as Vermont, we were the last state to get a Wal-Mart.
02:46:26.000We kept them at bay for about ten years.
02:46:28.000We're now four and about to get seven more.
02:46:31.000But our hands are tied to try and keep them out or to rein them in so long as we're part of the United States.
02:46:38.000But if we split from the United States, we can say to Walmart, you know, cease and desist, or we can say, you know, we're going to have a nice special tax just for Walmart.
02:46:48.000So that you cover the cost that you're imposing on our communities.
02:46:52.000Because Walmart really is, of the 100 biggest economies, 44 of them are companies, and Walmart is the biggest of that.
02:46:58.000It is actually a country that makes all of its suppliers... Walmart is the great Satan of corporate America.
02:47:04.000Well, let's boil this down to why they are.
02:47:06.000They're not a free market, it's a monopoly.
02:47:08.000They use Chinese slave goods mainly, and they were the first to really get this going, to leverage out their competition.
02:47:12.000They demand that all their suppliers sell to them at under their cost.
02:47:17.000And people go, well why do they sell to them at that price?
02:47:20.000Because then they pass that on to everybody else.
02:47:23.000They use Walmart at the expense of building out their factory line.
02:47:26.000Walmart is already 36% of total world sales.
02:47:34.000They create a blight everywhere they are.
02:47:37.000Then they move into that blight corridor.
02:47:39.000They created it just like a wedge move, you know, busting open somebody's... It's very obvious in the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont, where there was a Walmart in New Hampshire across the river, and it did exactly what you described.
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02:52:05.000And let's real fast go to two final calls for our guest who's trying to get sovereignty for Vermont away from the corporation that took over America and destroyed it.
02:52:15.000Kevin and Mash, and then Alex and Mash.
02:52:22.000I live and work in Massachusetts, but my wife and I recently bought a new home in Vermont, and although my questions are a little bit specific to my situation, I think it would be an interesting way to examine how succession might work in this situation.
02:52:35.000Could I change my residency to Vermont?
02:52:39.000Pay my taxes in Massa for working as a non-resident.
02:52:42.000Would I be able to be accepted to vote in Vermont?
02:53:01.000And certainly I would I prefer to, given my druthers, to choose the rights that I would have as a Vermont citizen compared to the rights I have as a Massachusetts citizen.
02:53:16.000Would someone like... I would not be viewed as an outsider by your organization.
02:53:20.000Actually, we have quite a few members from Massachusetts, from all over New England.
02:53:24.000You could also make it like Switzerland.
02:53:26.000And you could have a safe banking system there, because Switzerland isn't safe anymore.
02:53:32.000Switzerland is probably my favorite country.
02:53:34.000It's had a lot of influence on our thinking.
02:53:36.000Well, the prior caller asked about what industry could you have.
02:53:40.000By just doing business in an honest fashion, I think you would find, you know, for instance, banking and things like that would be, to talk about the Cayman Islands and things of that nature.
02:53:51.000And then no multi-jurisdictional task force guns busting down doors.
02:54:24.000I mean, they even have the income tax inspections of your house and how many pairs of socks you get every year with some bureaucrat poking around your house.
02:54:32.000It's a price for our standard of living.
02:54:35.000Yeah, we had quite a few people from Massachusetts at the convention last week.
02:54:39.000Well obviously, I mean, two calls in a row from Mass because they want to escape to Vermont.
02:54:44.000Yeah, see we've actually got members in 20 different states, Alex.
02:54:48.000Yeah, well I live right next to the bridge in Concord, so we've got plenty of minds that are in that mindset, but I don't think they have all the facts.
02:54:59.000Yeah, because their alternative media is not large enough.
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