Stephen E. Jones thinks bombs, not planes, toppled the World Trade Center buildings on September 11th, 2001. In a new article, he adds his voice to those of previous skeptics, including the authors of the website WTC7.net. Paul Craig Roberts joins us, and then Bob Dacey, local talk show host, contributor to Infowars, joins us in studio.
00:00:13.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:21.000Well, my friends, it is Friday, November 11, 2011.
00:00:37.000We're going to be live here for the next three hours, and I'll tell you, so many times, Mondays and Fridays shape up to be our most powerful broadcast, and today is certainly going in that direction.
00:00:56.000Well, it was actually published this morning, and we picked it up Just a few hours later, Professor Thinks Bombs, Not Planes, toppled WTC.
00:01:09.000Stuart Johnson, Desert Morning News, took the particular photo of Professor Jones, and it's him standing there with a screen behind him showing the buildings blowing up.
00:01:26.000And this was written by Elaine Jarvik out of the Desert Morning News.
00:01:30.000The physics of 9-11, including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell, prove official explanations of the collapse are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics professor.
00:01:44.000In fact, it's likely that there were pre-positioned explosives in all three buildings at Ground Zero, says Stephen E. Jones.
00:01:56.000In a paper posted online Tuesday and accepted for peer review publication next year, Jones adds his voice to those of previous skeptics, including the authors of the website WTC7.net, an incredibly well done site, whose research Jones quotes.
00:02:13.000Jones' article can be found at physics.byu.edu forward slash research forward slash energy html seven dot html.
00:02:24.000And we've got it all posted on InfoWars.com right now, and the professor is writing something special for us as well to post on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
00:02:34.000He'll be joining us in, well, exactly 13 minutes from now.
00:02:41.000Then coming up in the second hour, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, the John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Public Political Economy, And Research Fellow at the Independent Institute.
00:02:57.000He is a former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal, former Contributor Editor for National Review, and a former Assistant Secretary of the U.S.
00:03:06.000He is co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.
00:03:09.000And, of course, he'll talk about bombs in the buildings, and government-sponsored terror, and total martial law on the end of America, and how Bush is basically left of Mao Zedong and Pol Pot.
00:03:22.000So, that's coming up to cover a host of issues, like this article he wrote, the Syria scam, and several other reports here that he's put out.
00:03:31.000The police state is closer than you think.
00:03:34.000Those are some of the articles he's written just in the last few weeks.
00:03:36.000Paul Craig Roberts joins us, and then Bob Dacey, local talk show host, contributor to Infowars.com.
00:03:44.000He went as an official reporter for the New American Magazine.
00:03:49.000Up to a university north of here, and it was in the press conference.
00:03:52.000We're going to put a link up to that press conference.
00:03:54.000And brought up some questions to the chieftains, some of the chief floggers or whips that are out pushing the free trade area of the Americas.
00:04:05.000And the intel he got from the meeting they had and from the press conferences, they are having major problems worldwide getting their global government through it.
00:04:13.000And they're very frustrated and very, very angry.
00:04:16.000So in the third hour, Bob Dacey will join me in the studio.
00:04:20.000Yes, our virgin voyage in my new studio.
00:04:27.000It was a tiny cubbyhole, soundproofed room in my house.
00:04:30.000Now I'm in an official studio here in my offices.
00:04:34.000And so we're having lots of guests in studio.
00:04:36.000Paul Watson and his brother Steve Watson will be in studio next week.
00:04:40.000And I hope to get George Humphreys and Tex Mars and other great luminaries on with us as well in studio.
00:04:46.000Big show today, three powerhouse guests as we expose the terrorists that carried out 9-11 and defend this republic from enemies foreign and domestic.
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00:09:11.000And we do have a professor joining us in about five minutes, a physics professor, tenured, a senior, there at Brigham Young University, Stephen E. Jones, to talk about the deep analysis he's done of the findings that we have already, of course, published.
00:09:26.000But he's added to it of the impossibility of the towers being destroyed by those aircraft.
00:09:31.000Especially Building 7 not hit by an aircraft.
00:09:34.000A few small fires magically implodes with the exact control demolitions signature.
00:11:09.000They claim that you cannot indict a sitting president, but you can impeach him and then indict him.
00:11:14.000But you can certainly indict the Attorney General.
00:11:17.000You can certainly indict some of the other individuals in the White House.
00:11:21.000The Attorney General's Openly, when he was Chief White House Counsel, said that they can torture people to death, in the famous Gonzales memos, there were four of them, and that if they die under torture, if we didn't kill them on purpose, then it's not torture.
00:11:37.000And that we simply change the name to pressure.
00:11:39.000So, so, because they semantically changed the name, it's no longer torture.
00:11:45.000And I remember right after 9-11, going into 2002, they had the CIA section chief of the Washington Post saying, torture is good, and we're torturing people in third-party countries, Egypt, Jordan, and even some Eastern Bloc nations.
00:12:02.000And then some of the lighter photos got released from Abu Ghraib of the dogs biting people, and sewing people up without anesthesia, and beating people, and people who've been beaten to death.
00:13:21.000In these former torture chambers that the Soviets had.
00:13:26.000And they're doing unspeakable things there.
00:13:28.000Then the Senate comes out and says, we're passing a law saying that you've got to follow the Army manual, you can't brutalize people, you can only torture them a little bit.
00:13:37.000And Bush says, oh no, I'm going to veto that, while simultaneously saying he's against torture.
00:13:42.000Then, simultaneously, we have Dick Cheney coming out and saying, no, no, no, the CIA needs to continue to be able to torture people.
00:14:46.000And Bush has proven that's what he's for, because he says he'll veto any restrictions on torture.
00:14:51.000So, clearly, if you're going to put Greiner in prison, and England in prison, and a few other demons in prison, then we've got to move for impeachment and indictments.
00:15:18.000I've got family, folks, who is in Special Forces.
00:15:21.000They've been told they're going into Syria.
00:15:24.000Now, I don't know if that's going to happen, but they've been told they're going in.
00:15:26.000And now we hear they've broken diplomatic connections, they're talking about attacking them, they're calling up more reserves, they're rotating even more troops into Israel and into Iraq.
00:17:14.000I was pleased that the Deseret Morning News here, which is one of our major papers in Utah, was able to put this and willing to put it on the front page of their paper yesterday.
00:17:29.000And, of course, they did a decent job.
00:17:32.000I was pleased to get that out in the media.
00:17:34.000There's a snowball effect of prominent people, very respected and in impeccable records, that are now just saying, look, the Emperor is not wearing any clothes.
00:17:48.000Yeah, and as you mentioned, and I appreciate your fairness in that, my paper, which is available, as you mentioned, I hope people will actually read it.
00:17:57.000That's their homework for today, as I like to tell my students.
00:18:02.000But in my paper, I present evidence for explosive demolition, particularly of Building 7, World Trade Center 7, but also the towers.
00:18:13.000I mean, Building 7 was not even hit by a jet.
00:18:16.000So this common knee-jerk reaction, we hear, oh, it was the jet fuel and jets and so on.
00:18:21.000But there was no jet that hit Building 7, yet it came down symmetrically.
00:18:26.000So the evidence is strong, but at the same time I'm presenting it as a hypothesis that needs to be investigated further.
00:18:35.000Well, I agree with you, sir, and I have your research paper here in front of me.
00:18:40.000I'd like to go through it in the next 40 minutes or so after we go to this quick break.
00:18:46.000For laymen out there to understand just its mathematical facts, steel doesn't melt at this point.
00:18:52.000Other examples, hundreds of buildings that have burned for hours or days with 100-foot white flames shooting out.
00:18:59.000Nothing collapses, but little bitty black fires, very low temperature, magically make a building and implode with total precision.
00:19:07.000And just kind of chronicle all of this.
00:19:10.000And then I want to first off ask you when we come back from break why you're deciding to go public.
00:19:15.000When you began to question things, when you began to research, Professor, listen.
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00:24:11.000Prominent members of academia, government, from the highest levels, the clergy, from all walks of life, all areas of the political spectrum, going forward and just saying, look, something's rotten in the state of Denmark.
00:24:47.000Tell us, just in a nutshell, when you started to wake up, what the main questions were, when the light bulb really went off, how much research you did, and then let's go through your research paper.
00:25:48.000So apparently quite a few people around here had studied this and she hit a point that That raised a great deal of interest and certainly in me I decided I better study this and find out what was going on.
00:26:05.000So just out of the blue you saw this facade fall down.
00:26:12.000I mean, yeah, okay, right, but I mean to me it was just the initiation of the research.
00:26:17.000Then I fortunately I found Jim Hoffman's WTC7.net very quickly.
00:26:25.000Jim has done a great deal of solid research.
00:26:29.000Now, in my paper, I point out that there is some research that is not as solid, and that tends to distract from the more firm scientific effort, unfortunately.
00:26:43.000But Jim's getting into his research and then following up on some points, conservation and momentum, I looked at.
00:26:53.000The building 7, the squibs coming off, I looked at the timing and the sequence of these squibs and of course I'm in communication then with Jim Hoffman.
00:27:08.000When a building is demolished, and I have read up on building demolition, it's a very interesting field.
00:27:15.000But, and it doesn't take a PhD to understand, you know, when you have an explosion, you get a puff or jet of gas and dust that comes off near the explosion.
00:27:27.000And often these jets of debris come flying out of the building.
00:27:33.000And magically we see venting on all three.
00:27:37.000Venting is a good word, or squibs is what they're called in the demolition field.
00:27:43.000these jets of debris that come shooting out.
00:27:46.000It's kind of like about punching in the nose, it's going to start bleeding.
00:27:50.000Or a tooth might fly out if you hit hard enough.
00:27:54.000And so these buildings now, in particular Building 7, the way the squibs appear is quite fascinating.
00:28:02.000And of course, then the next step for me, after doing some analysis, some math, looking at the free fall or the time of collapse, Building 7 falls just very rapidly.
00:28:15.000I mean freefall from the roof is 6.0 seconds.
00:28:19.000I had students time it with me and we got just about 6.3 seconds.
00:28:25.000I mean this building is supported with 24 steel columns in the center.
00:28:32.000And a lot of perimeter columns, I forget the number right off.
00:28:35.000But you can clearly see the central columns get blown before the collapse, a second before, which is a classic crimp implosion.
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00:33:07.000We only have the good doctor, professor in physics with us for another 30 minutes or so, but I hope we're getting back up in the near future for a full hour.
00:33:20.000And who knows, we might have time in the last five minutes to take a call or two, but we'll see.
00:33:24.000We're not taking calls right now on other subjects.
00:33:26.000We're talking about control demolitions, what really brought the towers down.
00:33:30.000But before I go any further, it's important for you to understand that I had come into possession of official U.S.
00:33:38.000government plans to carry out 9-11 style attacks before 9-11, and I had intel sources that Bin Laden was going to take the fall and the blame in a larger operation that would probably target the World Trade Center.
00:33:51.000So I said on TV and radio that they would probably attack it in the next month or two, and indeed that did happen.
00:33:57.000And you know, I don't make many predictions.
00:34:00.000And on day one I came out and exposed the fact 7 had clearly been blown up and that was a smoking gun and that there were clearly explosives in the other towers as well.
00:34:11.000And I went to New York last year and I went right up to the buildings and I showed how buildings snug up against the towers and had towers fall on them, burned for over a day, didn't collapse, nothing collapsed.
00:34:24.000But this building way down the street, I mean it's like a block and a half away, hit by nothing.
00:34:29.000It had some of the dust field hit it and had a small fire on two floors.
00:34:34.000So out of the three hour mini-series that is Marshall Law, 9-1-1, Rise of the Police State, A full hour plus, an hour and fifteen of the total film is on 9-11.
00:34:45.000And of that hour fifteen, where we cover A to Z, the whole gamut.
00:34:49.000Public officials getting warned not to fly, NORAD standing down, Bin Laden being CIA, Al Qaeda being flown out to safety in Afghanistan.
00:35:01.000Marvin Bush running security on the towers that day, his contract ending that day, what FBI agent Paul O'Neill, John O'Neill, excuse me, had said.
00:37:29.000Professor, you were talking about problems with the official story as you were awakening in the last year, as you were researching this, as you were studying this.
00:38:12.000I look at the symmetry of the fall, the time of the fall, I compare that with conservation of momentum, and conservation of anchoring momentum comes to play in building, that is, the South Tower.
00:38:26.000But where I decided finally to come public with this, a lot of that had to do with a man by the name of Kevin Ryan.
00:38:37.000And I'm sure you know Kevin, or have heard of him.
00:38:45.000And he wrote a letter to Frank Gale at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, NIST.
00:38:54.000And he said, look, we've built these models that trade I mean, you know, and then he goes through some arguments regarding the temperature required to cause the warping and creep to get actual collapse.
00:39:22.000And he said, we're just not getting, you see, with fires, whether it's jet fuel, which burns off fairly quickly.
00:39:30.000And then office materials, paper, furniture, and so on burning.
00:39:35.000Well, we're just not getting the temperatures to cause the models to collapse.
00:39:41.000And so he said it's very unlikely that the buildings, the World Trade Center buildings, collapse due to fire and damage.
00:40:47.000Let me quote from the final NIST report on this subject.
00:40:52.000Anyway, it's the courage of people like Kevin Ryan that I decided, you know, I've got to look at this too.
00:40:58.000It's a very serious scientific objection to the fire-based theory.
00:41:05.000But let me quote from the NIST report if I can, and this is in my paper.
00:41:10.000And it's on page 141 of the final NIST report on the collapse of the towers.
00:41:17.000And they say, NIST contracted with Underwriters Laboratories Incorporated to conduct tests to obtain information on the fire endurance of trusses like those in the WTC towers.
00:41:30.000All four test specimens sustained the maximum design load for approximately two hours without collapsing.
00:41:39.000And so they go on, these results establish that this type of assembly, they're talking about the assembly in the towers, was capable of sustaining a large gravity load without collapsing for a substantial period of time relative to the duration of fires in any given location on September 11th.
00:41:57.000So in other words, they're admitting that the models, just like Kevin Ryan said, the models do not collapse.
00:42:07.000And so... So this isn't just our opinion.
00:42:09.000This is being scientifically tested by the major dominant international company that underwrites these hundred million dollar structures.
00:42:19.000We have, again, hundreds of major fires in the last seventy-five years of modern steel buildings.
00:42:25.000The latest was the Madrid building, burned for almost forty-eight hours with hundred-foot white-hot flames, and that's, you know, white-hot as hot as it gets, shooting out And some tiny little inch of round metal up in the ceilings collapsed but none of the big supports even got damaged.
00:42:45.000I mean there were still desks and furniture that hadn't melted that had been in the center of the inferno.
00:42:50.000The thing looked like a giant Roman candle.
00:42:53.000And people were expecting the Madrid building to collapse because the towers had collapsed.
00:44:08.000And they just keep throwing out frauds that they even have to admit are frauds later.
00:44:13.000Yes, well, yeah, as you read in the NIST and FEMA reports, which I've read through, it makes interesting reading actually, because, well, like the part I just quoted.
00:44:23.000It's like they have split personalities.
00:44:25.000Yeah, the models don't fail, but we'll try computer hypotheticals, is what they resorted to in the NIST report.
00:44:33.000Now, FEMA had the decency to say, look, This hypothesis, they call it the best hypothesis, is the only one they looked at, really, which is fire caused collapse of Building 7, has only a low probability of occurrence.
00:44:46.000I quote that in my paper also, this FEMA.
00:44:49.000So to their credit, they admit, we don't understand, and they say, they say that, we don't understand.
00:44:57.000But what they should do, as good scientists, is say, now, what other hypothesis might apply?
00:45:16.000That's exactly what I was about to bring up, Doctor, is that what is it in science when all the evidence over and over again in scientific testing shows, and in real life over and over again replicated with the exact same response, but then they ignore all of that historical evidence.
00:45:32.000Ooh, that's a perfect controlled demolition.
00:45:34.000I mean, there were controlled demolition experts and engineers.
00:45:37.000You see, this is what we call in science, and I've studied a number of examples, what we call pathological science.
00:45:42.000"Man, I've blown buildings like that." Well, that's a crimp.
00:45:45.000I mean, then all the real experts, until they got told to shut up, were like, "That's ridiculous." But why do they ignore that then, Doctor? - You see, this is what we call in science, and I've studied a number of examples.
00:45:57.000It's what we call pathological science.
00:45:59.000It is putting on blinders so that you only look at, you start with a conclusion, and then you look at data that supports your conclusion.
00:46:10.000The conclusion in this case is the buildings came down due to damage and fire.
00:46:17.000We're not going to even consider anything else.
00:46:20.000And that's pathological science to ignore all these other data.
00:46:27.000And of course, to beat me up below that foregone conclusion... Well, it shows an agenda.
00:46:34.000And the foregone conclusion as I mentioned in my paper is that they seem to be pushing for the Muslims did it and we don't want to consider any possibility of any other explanation.
00:46:47.000Well, it's unscientific, that's what I'm trying to say.
00:46:51.000We need to broaden the scientific investigation to include the obvious hypothesis of explosive demolition.
00:47:00.000Now, obviously, they're ignoring the mountain of science and evidence and eyewitnesses.
00:47:07.000scores of firefighters on record going, it was bombs.
00:49:11.000So, Doctor, where does it go from here?
00:49:13.000I mean, more and more prominent individuals, I mean, I remember within a week, they had one of the chief scientists at the big mining college in New Mexico, with several degrees, a doctorate, and he went public and said, only explosives could do this.
00:50:05.000I was disappointed in his retraction without an explanation.
00:50:10.000Usually when a scientist retracts a statement, which is, as you say, a very strong statement, it looks just like demolition, the characteristics match demolition, and so on.
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00:54:24.000It's called Operation Northwoods, and we see the exact same type of plan being carried out.
00:54:28.000You know, I've had, you've heard of them, the Admirals.
00:54:30.000I've had the former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moore on this program.
00:55:45.000There is an issue that I've looked at that's puzzling, and you've been to Ground Zero, and that is this molten metal that's reported in publications as molten metal was found in the basement of both towers after they collapsed and Building 7.
00:56:09.000A prime piece of scientific information.
00:56:11.000It is not mentioned in any of the government-funded reports.
00:56:42.000Or at least they tended to use that as an explanation.
00:56:47.000I think, though, that this molten metal, now I'm not convinced it was molten steel until it's analyzed, you see.
00:56:55.000And so in my paper I call for As a scientific courtesy, when a government agency, which is taxpayer money, does a report, they should make them the data available to another scientist.
00:57:19.000And of course, the steel beams, most of them, except for 236, I think, These hundreds of thousands of tons of steel are carted off to Asia for recycling.
00:57:31.000That's just a... I mean, it's a crime in itself.
00:57:34.000Yeah, Communist China can have it, basically have it, but we're not allowed to even look at it.
00:57:41.000And of course, over the protests of courageous people like Bill Manning of Fire Engineering Journal, And others protesting the destruction of that evidence.
00:57:53.000That's right, and they said the way that building collapsed didn't make sense, but these are just firefighter engineers, let's not listen to them.
00:59:48.000And of course, thermite is used in these, I guess, kind of these white phosphorus bombs in warfare.
00:59:54.000Thermite will burn right through anything, and you're talking about this molten metal down in the basement, which NASA did photograph with its sensors.
01:00:25.000And when these are caused to ignite, which requires a fairly high temperature to touch it off, like burning magnesium.
01:00:31.000But once it ignites, it burns extremely hot, as you say.
01:00:36.000Hot enough to melt steel, yes, but cut right through steel.
01:00:41.000And it can even evaporate steel, if that hot.
01:00:46.000What the end product of thermites, you have iron oxide plus aluminum, it produces aluminum oxide, which that's where the great heat release comes there, plus molten iron.
01:01:00.000Essentially pure iron then with this aluminum oxide as a residue would be found with this thermite reaction.
01:01:09.000So this, these large pools of molten iron under both towers and Building 7, is a smoking gun for something, some very high temperature reaction and it indicates thermite.
01:01:25.000Until we do the actual analysis, we can't state that for sure, but I certainly hope that scientists somewhere saved a small sample.
01:01:38.000It's not likely, Alex, that it would be that type of, well it's fairly sophisticated, To cut steel beams using thermite, but the point I'm trying to get at is we need to analyze that and surely some investigators say, wait a minute, molten metal, what in the world is that metal?
01:02:12.000They've done everything they can to hide that crime scene and to abscond with the evidence and not let us get to it.
01:02:18.000So it'll be a cold day in hell when that happens.
01:02:23.000Well, I'm just hoping that they'll say, well, let's see, we have to at least do the science.
01:02:33.000I'm hoping that we can get some sample there.
01:02:36.000The other thing is, it's possible and likely, actually, that the metallurgist involved in the FEMA study, what was his name, Jonathan, I can't remember his last name now, but anyway, that they actually did an analysis.
01:02:50.000It just takes less than an hour, literally, x-ray fluorescence analysis, for instance, on the metal.
01:02:56.000this molten metal, you could determine, is it mostly iron?
01:03:00.000I mean, does it look like it's not molten steel?
01:03:02.000Or is it iron with chromium and so on that makes it look like steel?
01:03:08.000And just a very simple test which could tell us so much about what happened, what caused high temperatures, which, by the way, the fires, the jet fuel and the burning oxygen materials cannot melt the steel.
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01:07:15.000You know, I'm sorry that we didn't get to any of your calls for the last guest, Dr. Stephen E. Jones, but he just kept bringing up so many important points.
01:07:29.000We were unable to, but I will get to the folks that are holding later in this hour with our next guest, who we're extremely honored to have on with us, and he's Paul Craig Roberts.
01:07:40.000Let me just read the short bio on Dr. Roberts.
01:07:45.000He's a John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for He's a political economy and research fellow at the Independent Institute.
01:07:53.000He is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, former contributing editor for National Review, a former assistant secretary of the U.S.
01:08:53.000Admittedly, it was in the Washington Post in early 2002.
01:08:55.000They had the CIA section chief bragging that, oh yeah, we pressure them and torture them in different countries, Jordan and in Egypt, and it said we even do stuff for their kids in front of them.
01:09:07.000Never forget that in the Washington Post.
01:09:09.000I put that in my film, The Road to Tyranny, three years ago.
01:10:16.000What do you think of the statements I just made about how we're against torture, but we're going to ban the Senate, we're going to veto the Senate saying you can't torture, and Gonzales says we can kill people, but that isn't torture, because we just changed the name, and yeah, we've got secret camps, so what?
01:10:30.000I think that the United States government is in the hands of a psychopath.
01:10:35.000I mean, these are insane, dangerous people.
01:11:47.000So the real question is, why do they want to torture people when it doesn't produce good information?
01:11:54.000Could it possibly be that they need a whole bunch of terrorists to implicate themselves so they can prove there actually is a terrorist threat?
01:12:07.000So they go round up... See, another thing, Alex, they know.
01:12:10.000Our army knows, our government knows, the CIA knows, all these people they have in detention.
01:12:18.000The likelihood of any of them being a terrorist is extremely low.
01:12:23.000Most of these people, Alex, were rounded up in the equivalent of KGB, Stalin-era street sweeps.
01:12:30.000They just happened to be there when troops came along and grabbed them.
01:12:33.000Many of them, and it's been in the news, they have lawyers, many of them were people captured In Pakistan, by Pakistani gangsters.
01:12:47.000And sold to the Americans as terrorists.
01:12:50.000Well actually, what the Army admitted, and the head CIA officer in Afghanistan for two years said, is that they would get between $5,000 and $25,000 per man, woman, or child, and they would just go into little mountain villages of people that never had left their village, who didn't even know where America was on a map.
01:13:10.000And it was actual Taliban who would actually then come sell these innocent people.
01:13:15.000And the Army's own report said 75 to 90 percent of those were completely innocent of even ever picking up arms against us, and they were just children and families that didn't have papers in order.
01:13:26.000Yeah, and Arab businessmen who happened to... Anybody who's not protected were picked up by the warlords and the gangs and sold to the dumb shit Americans.
01:13:39.000And so the people who are in these prisons are totally innocent people.
01:13:44.000I bet you they haven't got five terrorists in the whole bunch.
01:14:58.000We are becoming the most hated nation.
01:15:02.000Well, I had Wayne Madison, who was, as you know, a NSA analyst, and he said, working for Reagan back in the eighties, as you did, he said if they saw this type of stuff, if they saw an administration doing this in the eighties, they would have thought it's a fifth column, it's communist, they're doing this to make America look bad, they're doing this to bring America down, they're doing this to destroy all of our international connections.
01:15:29.000And I said, well, Wayne, isn't that what's happening?
01:15:31.000And he said, you know, yeah, it's a corporate interest that just is strip mining and insanely just in a bloody orgy of feeding.
01:15:40.000Well, I think it's the insane neoconservatives.
01:16:45.000If we know they're terrorists, why do we have to hold them four years?
01:16:51.000Well, how come we don't listen when the lawyers representing their families say, you've got my husband and my father and he's a Saudi businessman and he was captured in Pakistan and sold to you guys?
01:17:05.000And then the army interrogators even go, look, these people are totally innocent and they get told, keep them.
01:18:19.000Well, that may well be what they have in mind, but they certainly aren't achieving any goal in Iraq except More casualties for Americans by making them hate us ever more.
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01:23:24.000But right before the Gulf War, in late 2002, they got a $6 billion federal program, secret program funded, it was in UPI and the AP and a few other places, called P2OG.
01:23:36.000And I don't know if Dr. Roberts is aware of this, But MP2OG, they said, we're going to kill people's family members, we're going to attack Arabs, we're going to stimulate an attack in the Middle East, widen it, and then we can go into Iran and Syria and other areas.
01:23:50.000So, the plan is, you know, when they tell our troops to go in and you get shot at in a village, arrest every man down to age 11, bulldoze all their date palms, all their tangerine orchards, that is meant to generate Because do the corporations make more money if we're in Iraq a year and fix the problems and leave?
01:24:48.000But anyway, and why are they doing it?
01:24:50.000And why the, you know, there's something wrong with the public and that it sits there like Idiots and lets a bunch of Nazis run wild.
01:25:01.000But let me go back to, let's talk about, let's contrast the Senate's vote to restrict detainees access to the courts with what happened just the other day in the British Parliament.
01:25:19.000Now, in the great United States, we hold ourselves up as this great democracy and liberty and freedom and liberty and freedom.
01:25:29.000The Senate yesterday endorsed a plan, I'm reading from the Washington Post today, that would overturn the landmark Supreme Court ruling last year that permitted many of the detainees held at Guantanamo Bay To challenge their detention.
01:25:53.000So, the Senate says, gosh, here's the Supreme Court is going to enforce the Constitution and let people have rights.
01:26:38.000And no doubt Bush will describe this as a great victory for freedom and democracy and liberty and blah blah blah.
01:26:45.000Now what happened in England at the same time, on Wednesday, what happened the day before?
01:26:52.000Bush's pimp over there, Blair, Tony Blair, somebody who is as despicable as Bush, he said, oh look, we want rights to hold the detainees for 90 days.
01:27:09.000Now look, Bush wants to hold them indefinitely, forever.
01:27:14.000And the British Prime Minister says, we only want to hold them for 90 days.
01:27:19.000And the Parliament said, to hell with you, Buster, you can't do it.
01:27:56.000There's nothing conservative about the Bush administration.
01:27:58.000Exactly, but that's what I'm saying is that none of us are safe, and the heart of America is that Bill of Rights, that Constitution, habeas corpus, that's why we're America, and they're taking all that away!
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01:34:44.000I don't know if you, you may have already covered this Alex, but yesterday in the publication Capital Hill Blue, it reports a confidential memo circulating among senior Republican leaders, suggests that a new attack by terrorists on US soil could reverse the sagging fortunes of President George Bush As well as the sagging fortunes of the GOP.
01:35:09.000You know, we got wiped out in the election the other day.
01:35:12.000And restore Bush's image as a leader of the American people.
01:35:15.000This is a closely guarded memo, and it lays out a list of scenarios, another terrorist attack on the U.S.
01:35:23.000in order to bring the Republican Party back from the political brink.
01:35:28.000So, that shows you the way these so-called Republicans think.
01:35:34.000I'd like to say, too, these are nothing like the Republicans I work with.
01:35:38.000They're nothing like the Republicans in the Bush Administration.
01:35:41.000I don't know who these people are or where they came from.
01:35:44.000It's almost like they came from out of space.
01:36:02.000government going back where they talk about terror attacks being helpful.
01:36:05.000We have Gary Hart of the big CFR Commission, days after 9-11, saying we need to use this disaster to get a new world order, to get people's freedoms and liberty.
01:36:15.000Let's make lemonade out of these lemons.
01:36:20.000I don't think it's going to work for them.
01:36:23.000I think they're going down in flames, myself.
01:36:26.000Well, I agree with you, sir, but let me say this.
01:36:28.000I was not aware of this Capitol Hill Blue, which is very reputable.
01:36:31.000We're going to be posting that right now, specifically, sir.
01:37:40.000They had a big study, what, a year ago.
01:37:42.000The White House paid for a study, I'm sure you heard about that, to see what our response would be to another terror attack.
01:37:49.000And they found a narrow majority at that time, now they've eroded even more, would support more of their police state policies if there was.
01:37:56.000I don't think people trust the President any longer.
01:38:24.000Look, Alex, when I was doing Russian studies, I learned that the czarist secret police used to conduct bombings so they could blame somebody they wanted to get and arrest them.
01:38:40.000Yeah, that was the white Russian's favorite trick and then of course the commissariat learned that and they passed it on.
01:38:46.000Yeah, so, you know, the kinds of black job operations that governments do are notorious.
01:38:59.000Can we talk a little bit about the economy?
01:40:03.000Well, that's why a lot of experts are saying it looks like they're actually trying to bring America down.
01:40:09.000Well, it certainly has given Asians tremendous power over us, because they hold enough of We've got treasury bonds now that just the threat to dump them would send our interest rates skyrocketing.
01:40:25.000Well, the CFR openly laughs at America.
01:42:42.000Now, so what does it mean if the layoff rate is twice the rate of new jobs?
01:42:52.000It's not a very promising It's not a very promising outlook.
01:42:57.000Can I bring up another economic indice, and that's energy.
01:43:02.000We have the oil companies own memos, starting back nine years ago, where they said we're going to buy up all the small, and I mean all, refineries, shut them down, restrict and cut back ours.
01:43:12.000Then I watch, and then rip people off, create an artificial bottleneck, griping about Saddam over pumping, griping about Venezuela, because there's too much oil, they want to restrict it.
01:43:21.000I don't think the oil companies, the American oil companies, don't own much oil anymore.
01:43:24.000"No, we've built more refineries," which is a total lie, and then they questioned him more.
01:43:29.000He said, "Well, we refitted..." Listen, I don't think the oil companies, the American oil companies don't own much oil anymore.
01:43:36.000They're mainly just retailers of gasoline, and they're actually even going out of the refinery business.
01:43:44.000You can't build a refinery in the United States because of all the environmental stuff.
01:43:48.000No, I understand, but that's how this whole thing has been set up.
01:43:51.000So my question is, where is it going with the energy prices being so high?
01:44:01.000Or where is it going with all prices going to be so high?
01:44:06.000If you want to talk about oil, let's look at it this way.
01:44:10.000The U.S. trade, trade deficit with China alone, with just China, the American trade deficit with China, is 28% greater than our entire oil import bill.
01:44:29.000Isn't it like $80 billion a month or something?
01:45:12.000But our energy imports are small compared to our imports of advanced technology products, manufactured goods, consumer goods, automobiles.
01:45:29.000If we need energy independence, why don't we need manufacturing independence?
01:45:33.000Why don't we need innovation independence?
01:45:37.000That people are so fixated on energy for, because as I just pointed out... Well, it's something they can actually feel on a day-to-day basis.
01:46:51.000I think it's just short-run stupidity, myself, on the part of corporations.
01:46:57.000They say, oh, we can get foreigners cheaper, but then they have to I wonder what happens to the American market.
01:47:04.000If they destroy the American consumer market because they give all the good jobs abroad, who's going to buy the stuff here?
01:47:10.000Well, Dr. Roberts, the globalist in many different official UN reports and others have said this internationalism is about global corporations being more powerful than any country, and they want us all interdependent.
01:47:21.000They don't want a strong nation state.
01:47:48.000Where everyone focuses on what's the three months results.
01:47:53.000And oh well, we laid off another 10,000 people and hired Indians in their place.
01:47:58.000Our profits went up and we get bigger bonuses.
01:48:01.000And that's as good an explanation as any.
01:48:04.000It doesn't imply some kind of... But why would there be federal programs to pay U.S.
01:48:10.000companies to move overseas and then ensure the investment if it fails?
01:48:16.000A lot of those things date from the Cold War, where one of our strategies to contain communism was to develop The vulnerable countries, the ones that were poor and poverty-stricken and seem to be... Yeah, prop them up.
01:48:34.000So these things last long beyond... It's the Cold War is over, but the programs are still there.
01:48:45.000So what is the... I mean, even the short-term prognosis, what do you think is going to happen?
01:48:50.000Do you think the neocons will fall, or will they just keep rolling on?
01:48:53.000You know, they're talking about going into Syria right now.
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01:52:49.000You know, I was out of the studio actually trying to kick the bachelor I was out of the studio actually trying to kick the a bachelor hound out of the studio.
01:53:10.000He tries to climb up in my lap, but he's a huge Basset Hound.
01:53:33.000Lou, if you want to hold even more, God bless you.
01:53:36.000Dr. Roberts, we've just got about three minutes now and about five minutes to the next hour, but just in a nutshell before I go to these calls, and I'm going to go right to them.
01:53:43.000We've got the new Fed Chairman coming in.
01:53:45.000We've got him saying, I'll print even more money.
01:54:53.000Okay, to address a few things relative, of course, to what the doctor has been driving at.
01:54:59.000Today it was actually reported in New York Newsday that the police commissioner of New York City has gone into a memorandum of understanding with the Central Intelligence Agency.
01:55:10.000We have a local It has to be emphasized, local law enforcement agency.
01:55:14.000Well we have it in Austin, they're setting up local commissariats.
01:55:16.000Yep, and in fact he has retained, and it seems to be a very favorite place for people who retire from the CIA to come and get a job in retirement, the NYPD.
01:55:27.000So we definitely got strange going on here.
01:55:29.000A few other things that have struck me very odd over the last several weeks, and they follow this way.
01:55:35.000I begin to strongly suspect events in the world, case in point, The explosions in Jordan.
01:55:43.000Now, if anybody knows Muslim culture or Arabic culture, they would know that attacking a wedding is an extremely taboo thing to do in that culture, if you're not aware of that.
01:56:15.000I think he has a very good point, Alex.
01:56:17.000He has a very good point, and I saw the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, initially said that all the Israelis in those hotels had been given prior warning and were pulled out.
01:56:29.000And it's confirmed that Netanyahu got a warning on 7-7.
01:57:02.000Write the memo that says torture people, and then they say they're for torture, but then they send people who follow their orders to prison.
01:57:08.000It looks like Americans just don't care.
01:58:34.000Do you think that the torture in Iraq will come here to America, i.e., if we should ever have martial law and they should start arresting patriots, Conservative, constitutionalist, and anybody who's a thorn in the flesh of government.
01:58:49.000Yeah, I think torture, I think it's actually already here.
01:58:54.000You may remember the police used to beat people up all the time to get confessions, and then what was known as the Warren Court, the big liberal court, made a lot of rulings which stopped
01:59:09.000uh... domestic uh... torture by the police of suspects i'm told that uh... that in a number of prisons with bad wardens that torture already goes on in the united states but i'm absolutely sure that if uh... an institution that was once known for its honor and integrity the united states military if it is uh... undertaking torture in iraq
01:59:38.000If they can corrupt the military like that, it would be very easy to corrupt the police.
02:00:05.000I was going to bring up that GOP memo.
02:00:08.000I guess I can just add, one of the things, one of the other scenarios, the bottom of it said, capturing Osama Bin Laden, in parenthesis it puts, or proof that he is dead.
02:00:19.000I wonder when that's going to come up.
02:00:20.000But the question I had, and I'd like to get the doctor's opinion on this.
02:00:26.000I noticed a long time ago, one of the people that got caught up in the CIA's brag net when they were sending their Learjets around the world to kidnap You know, some guys to bring to their torture camps happen to be a son of a prominent and wealthy opponent of none other than Qaddafi.
02:00:46.000It was the son of an opponent of Qaddafi.
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02:05:46.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
02:05:53.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
02:05:58.000We've had an absolutely powerhouse, grand slam, out-of-the-park broadcast in the last 2 hours and 8 minutes, 21 seconds.
02:06:10.000In the first hour, we had a physicist, a doctor, a professor, Stephen E. Jones from Brigham Young University, a senior physicist there, just the impossibility of the official story, there had to be bombs in there, and he believes thermite bombs as well.
02:06:47.000And then there's my good buddy Bob Dacey, who's written for InfoWars.com.
02:06:51.000He also has started writing for the New American Magazine.
02:06:56.000And he went up to an FTA meeting with some of the top people from the UN and others there, pushing this agenda for the free trade area of the Americas that was dealt a very serious blow, a crippling blow, but not a death-dealing blow, unfortunately, by Hugo Chavez and others.
02:07:30.000America but that's been the plan all along it just to put all the wealth of the hands of international corporations so Bob Dacey went up to a major university and basically confronted these people one of the reporters there and Bob good to have you in studio with us thanks for coming in yeah you know what I'm going to start over because I didn't have your microphone up.
02:09:19.000Tell us who some of the key players were, what this particular meeting signified, the name of it, what happened, and then I want to play this clip.
02:09:25.000This is the Free Trade in the Americas Conference, which was held at Baylor last month.
02:09:30.000And the key players, the two key players, the first one, the keynote speaker there was Dr. Supachai Panichpakdi.
02:09:38.000Who is from Thailand and he is the recent head of the World Trade Organization and he is the current head of the United Nations Trade and Development Council, UNCTAD.
02:09:48.000So this guy is a big heavy hitter in the New World Order and what you're about to play is a second question I threw at him at a press conference they had.
02:10:08.000and the first question I asked him he kind of hemmed and hawed about it and then I came at him again and he he answered the question but then he took off now specifically for those who don't know why were they here I I mean, you discussed the meeting, I've watched some of the speeches they gave.
02:10:30.000The good news is, they admit to what we're seeing here from the outside, that globally, these programs are stalling, people are resisting, nation-states are resisting, even big businessmen, they're having trouble getting them to go along.
02:10:44.000There's a true rebellion taking place, and here at this meeting, Basically, right at the same time that their whole program is getting into deep trouble down in Latin America.
02:10:56.000Yeah, but one of the other heavy hitters at the conference was Richard Fisher, and this guy has got globalist credentials up one side and down the other.
02:11:04.000Worked with Henry Kissinger, used to help run OPIC, that organization you were talking about in the previous segment that sends the jobs out and fires Americans and guarantees loans for getting jobs to the other side of the world you know by the Americans and then use their tax money to back up the loans right and dr. Fisher or mr. Richard Fisher who's now the current president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas This guy's a big, big heavy hitter.
02:11:32.000He was saying, listen man, we're going to get this FDAA jump started.
02:11:35.000We have to do it because it's a moral imperative.
02:11:38.000I mean, he was saying it was a national security imperative that we get the FDAA jump started and we need the political will to do it had to come from the United States.
02:11:49.000We've got to give freedom to all these people and deindustrialize America.
02:11:53.000It's our moral imperative to enslave everyone.
02:11:57.000Alright, you're talking to the head of the WTO, ladies and gentlemen, and also another, he also is a big chieftain at the United Nations, and here is Bob Dacey.
02:12:08.000We're talking two or three, four weeks now.
02:12:10.000ago that was the early in early in october it was so we're talking to a three four weeks now time is really flying by but I guess the the the new american article just came out yeah the new american is in the november the fourteenth issue the new american And you can actually access that article by going online, thenewamerican.com, scroll down and click on the article, Texas, the Keystone State of the FTAA.
02:12:36.000And we also have a link to it up on infowars.com right now there in the guest section with our guest writer Bob Dacey.
02:12:43.000Let's go ahead and play this clip where Bob is confronting the head of the WTO.
02:12:52.000The concern of a lot of Americans is the national sovereignty of the United States, vis-a-vis organizations like the FDAA.
02:13:00.000And according to Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, only the United States Congress has the power to regulate foreign trade.
02:13:09.000Do you consider the United States Constitution to be an impediment to your FDAA?
02:13:14.000Well, I don't see that, and up till now, there has been, whoever is in the administration in the United States, we always recognize that the U.S.
02:13:25.000has always taken up the leadership role in conducting negotiations that always produce a momentum for the trade bicycle to always move ahead, up till now.
02:13:38.000But what I just said is that there is a rising concern around the world that, as one of our colleagues just said, That the sense of leadership that was needed for this trade round to move ahead wasn't always there.
02:14:07.000The point is, is that, notice how he sidestepped the question.
02:14:09.000Hey, this violates our Constitution, giving up sovereignty to you, and he lists the area of the Constitution.
02:14:14.000His answer is, well, your government's violating it.
02:14:16.000Your government, by the way, is leading this.
02:14:18.000Hey, this is your government's whole vehicle.
02:14:21.000That is, the globalists that control our nation have our nation pushing it.
02:14:25.000So he really admits what they're doing, and admits it's unconstitutional, but just says, hey, your government is the engine.
02:14:32.000Yeah, he says the Constitution is not in the way basically because we've already ceded that authority to the WTO because any dispute resolutions are supposed to go to them and this FTAA and therefore we've already blown off our responsibility to have the Congress regulate foreign trade.
02:14:49.000Yes, we have a link right now on InfoWars.com to their speeches and the entire press conference with the Houston Chronicle and Bob Dacey there asking them questions.
02:15:00.000But let's specifically get into your article and the key points, the key things people should know about the FTAA.
02:15:07.000I mean, the headline is, Texas Keystone State to the FTAA.
02:15:11.000Folks, I've told you, that's why for seven years I've had, deep behind enemy lines, the Central Texas Command Center.
02:15:17.000I guess on KGFK I had a similar line or so for ten years or longer.
02:15:46.000And they admitted at this conference, did they not, Bob, that Texas is the jewel in their crown, just geographically, because of this 15-lane, giant, super-corridor, which will open the borders completely.
02:15:58.000They're going to hand out transponders to people that drive in and out of the U.S.
02:16:02.000And that is the central point that most people miss about the Trans-Texas Corridor here in Texas.
02:16:08.000They say, well, they're double tax tolling us, and it's going to cost too much money, and these roads don't go anywhere into the cities, and everybody's grapping about it, and that's great.
02:16:18.000But what they don't seem to understand is why they would build this thing.
02:16:21.000Dr. Subhachai himself, at his keynote speech at the beginning of the conference, said it himself.
02:16:26.000It's a giant cancer tentacle coming up from Mexico.
02:16:36.000He mentioned a project in Southeast Asia.
02:16:38.000He says if you link them all up, it will make it work.
02:16:41.000So the real reason they're trying to build the Trans-Texas Corridor is to build the infrastructure to link the United States with Mexico and Canada.
02:16:51.000I mean, in 2002, when they put it up on the Texas Department of Transportation website, I mean, they had a map.
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02:23:30.000They're now building this thing right outside Austin, and there's these giant roads you'll be out in the country, and it's admittedly, in their own documents, arterials.
02:23:46.000Again, this website that the Texas Department of Transportation put up and then they yanked down.
02:23:51.000I mean, there were numerous references to Mexico.
02:23:54.000As a matter of fact, the bill that created it, House Bill 3588, a couple of years ago, passed through the Texas Legislature and nobody seemed to notice.
02:24:01.000It's full of references to Linking Up with Mexico.
02:24:04.000Well, if you look at what Homeland Security says, they go, oh, we're going to end illegal aliens because the problem, because we're just going to give everybody a transponder on their car.
02:24:13.000We're already hearing this now with our passports or people's visas.
02:24:16.000And so anyone who wants to come is going to be allowed in because it's going to be international.
02:24:48.000Dr. Supachai Panjpaki is a communist, okay?
02:24:51.000During his opening speech at the Hoity Toity dinner that they had Thursday night, he, in passing, mentioned that he had a meeting with a communist Chinese trade minister, Bo Xilai.
02:25:05.000And he said that, just in passing, he said, yes, he is the son of one of the six heroes of the Chinese Revolution, a close associate of Mao Zedong.
02:25:19.000That's like saying he's a close associate of Adolf Hitler.
02:25:22.000Yeah, and he just proudly states he calls one of Mao's cohorts a hero.
02:25:27.000Now, so the guy's a communist, and all these intellectuals at Baylor, it just goes right over their head.
02:25:34.000They've been conditioned that trade...
02:25:35.000Ooh, communism, sexy, all those 60 million dead.
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02:31:23.000What I love is that so many dynamic, thoughtful, intelligent people have gotten involved because I've challenged them to and because they love freedom.
02:31:57.000I try my best with no resources, and of course we just do it out of obligation.
02:32:02.000Jeff Cantoff and Kelly Taylor are my producers, real good friends of mine, and I couldn't do it without them.
02:32:09.000Well, and then you write articles for InfoWars.com, and you type Michael McCall's name, the Congressman, into Google, and, you know, number one pops up your article about him.
02:32:16.000I mean, you know, that just shows, bottom line folks, we're having an effect, we're involved, and I want you to be leaders out there that are listening.
02:32:31.000If you want to learn about the FTAA and understand what it's about, I encourage your listeners to go to www.stoptheftaa.org.
02:32:41.000That's a vast information pool about the real reason for the whole thing.
02:32:46.000And by the way, this whole global government funded by these big corporations, they're transferring our government powers into international bodies and then giving themselves governmental power.
02:32:58.000And one of their blueprints is the Agenda 21 that Gorbachev and all of them push.
02:33:03.000And they go in under other names and get your local cities to pass laws, to get into regional boards, regional governance.
02:33:12.000Well, you know, the bottom line is they have to lie about everything to get it passed.
02:33:16.000I mean, let's face it, we're talking about the Texas Department of Transportation back in 2003 put this on their website to train their employees how to convince Texans that we need tolls.
02:33:28.000And they had something called Toll Road Finance 101 and they're saying, listen, we need to limit the alternatives to toll roads because free alternatives mean lower revenues, And if you avoid frontage roads in this procedure and you use discontinuous frontage roads, of course, you're going to force people onto the toll roads.
02:33:47.000I mean, they had this on their website in 2003 as to how to promote causing you to pay money for roads you already paid for.
02:33:56.000But then they claim they didn't have any money, even though we're using more oil and more tax than ever.
02:34:00.000But then a good tax dot employee leaked stuff that said classified, not for distribution, earlier this year, that said we've got more money than ever.
02:34:49.000Bob, this has reached total criminality.
02:34:51.000It's completely insane, but you gotta, again, I know you understand that they have to lie to get all this done.
02:34:56.000At this conference I went to, they had a Canadian economist named Michael Hart, and he admitted that in order to get NAFTA passed, they had to lie to the Congress.
02:35:04.000They had to say it was going to increase our exports when they knew all along that it was going to do the opposite.
02:35:10.000I mean, they just flat admitted at the conference that they lied to get it done.
02:35:57.000I mean, I think that the question I asked about actually questioning the wisdom of the FDAA Like, because there was no discussion at the whole conference about, is this a good idea or not?
02:36:16.000Openly, back ten years ago when they planned it, we're going to have this giant 15 lanes on both sides going all the way up into Canada from Guatemala.
02:36:24.000Openly bringing in all the illegal aliens.
02:37:27.000The subset of Agenda 21 that you were talking about when I first ran into you was this business about the United Nations and the National Parks and their controlling them and making these concentric rings around them that you couldn't get into.
02:37:40.000And I was thinking, you're like, you know, off your cookies, you were totally nuts.
02:37:44.000And now I found out that you were telling the truth because I think it was the state of Kentucky.
02:37:49.000Kentucky said that they documented the whole thing and I'm going, oh no, this nut Alex Jones is telling the truth.
02:37:54.000And that was all a part of this Agenda 21 about driving the humans into the cities and keeping the disgusting humans off the land so that the moose in Canada can visit his cousin in Colorado without having to see one.
02:38:37.000Lou's been holding so long, I'm going to go to him, then we're going to go back in the news, then we'll go to Art and Barbara and Jeff, and that'll be it for calls today, because you've got a lot more you want to talk about with this FTAA.
02:38:47.000But to be specific, I am last weekend out deer hunting at a family reunion.
02:38:54.000Well, actually at the time, I was fishing in one of those little cattle ponds, stock ponds.
02:39:01.000And it was my dad, my children, my wife, my uncle's wife were out there fishing.
02:39:06.000To make a long story short, we got AP Network News on, and they announced FTA is dead for at least five years before.
02:39:36.000That it screwed up for many years now, but from the meeting you were at, we're still in the fight, because they're still going ahead with the building blocks of it, of Agenda 21 and CAFTA.
02:39:47.000But it's like the EU getting rejected.
02:39:49.000Its final expansion to total dictatorship got rejected a few months ago.
02:40:13.000He was very confident that they needed to manufacture the political will within the United States.
02:40:19.000Well, I mean, six months ago, seven months ago, they put out a report calling for this Pan-American Union and this merger with police and military with Canada and Mexico.
02:40:26.000Congress, and you know how the CFR is, they have a tendency to pull it out at the last minute.
02:40:32.000Well, I mean, six months ago, seven months ago, they put out a report calling for this Pan-American Union and this merger with police and military with Canada and Mexico.
02:40:39.000The Canadian papers were saying, end of sovereignty, world government.
02:40:43.000But within months, they'd adopted it and Congress had adopted it.
02:40:49.000Yeah, it's, you know, you'll have 90% of Congressmen's constituents calling up saying, don't do this, and then all of a sudden they'll flip at the last minute.
02:42:51.000I would love to get both of your thoughts on the merits of an idea I had as to what we can do to make a positive difference What would you think about, you know, city-by-city, county-by-county petitions and referendums whereby we would reassert our United States and our state constitution?
02:43:14.000I think that is the next step above these Patriot Act resolutions, and that's the idea I originally came up with that was then watered down and duplicated by the Bill of Rights Defense Committee.
02:43:25.000Well, you know, it seems like if we were to do something like that, since all of our government officials are taking oaths to uphold and defend these constitutions, that it would certainly seem odd if they were to oppose such a thing.
02:43:36.000It would help to identify Uh, you know, traitorous politicians, and hopefully awaken some of the loyal politicians and citizens, and just bring the, you know, light to the whole issue.
02:43:47.000Well, I go back to, you know, uh, courage lacks when there aren't numbers, and this illusion is breaking.
02:43:55.000All these prominent people are coming out on a hundred different key, uh, touchstone issues.
02:44:10.000Or to end fight with each other as the COINTELPROers would like us to do.
02:44:14.000We've got to just keep moving forward on the enemy, Bob.
02:44:16.000When at the federal level they're doing some of this stuff, and we at local levels and state levels say, no, we're not going to play the game.
02:44:23.000It reminds me of when I was a little kid growing up in the 60s and the 70s.
02:44:28.000The hippies used to say, hey man, what if they gave a war and nobody came?
02:44:33.000Well, you know, that's kind of like what we're doing.
02:44:34.000So fine, you want to pass a Patriot Act that says you're going to search my house and seize my stuff without a warrant?
02:44:40.000Well, we at the local level, we aren't going to play the game.
02:44:42.000What if they gave a Patriot Act and nobody played?
02:44:54.000Well, you know, I would love to hear you guys both discuss You know, strategies or tools that we can use to defeat the Hegelian dialectic of political conflict resolution as it relates to, like for example, Alex, I've seen you a couple times on a network called Free Speech TV.
02:45:22.000No, no, see, the left will sit there and sell the stuff that's true, but then give you bad solutions.
02:45:27.000Right, and that's what worries me so much, is that there's so few people that are awake, and of the ones that are awake, So many of them are going to get siphoned off into these, you know, phony things.
02:45:38.000And like you said, they're giving us the choice between National Socialism with a Bush Administration or International Socialism if we would have had somebody like Kerry.
02:45:47.000But as soon as you explain, I'm telling you liberals though, well meaning liberals I talked to five years ago, I'd explain that big government is for the elite and corporations lobby for it and that socialism is really a tool to consolidate the wealth.
02:46:00.000I mean, socialism is like the mosquito lands on you.
02:46:02.000It doesn't just stick its proboscis into you.
02:46:04.000It sticks its proboscis in and pumps in an enzyme to liquefy.
02:46:08.000So, socialism liquefies us, domesticates us, then the international corporation sucks the innards out.
02:46:14.000So, socialism doesn't lead to communism.
02:46:16.000Socialism leads to fascism, corporatism.
02:46:19.000It's designed so their paradigm's all screwed up, but you give them the truth and you shift their paradigm.
02:46:49.000You may know of this organization in Kerrville, Texas, the Fund to Restore an Educated Electorate, F.R.E.E., that was founded in 1980.
02:46:57.000They have a 22 by 17 folded broadside that lists CFR, the Trial Act, and the Builder Burgers, and we're dealing with these creeps every day.
02:47:11.000You can get this broadside for two bucks, postpaid, from F.R.E.E., post office box 29 Yeah, really what it ought to do with that big chart of how they control things is it ought to just order a whole bunch of those and sell those or get those out to people.
02:47:32.000The plug, where you just give the address out and they won't get a single letter.
02:47:34.000It's the best thing I've ever seen, though, to know who these people are.
02:47:39.000I mean, you can't do business any day of the year without funding these creeps.
02:47:44.000No, they sit over every major system and they use the government to give themselves the contracts.
02:47:49.000The universities and the media and you name it.
02:47:52.000So I don't know what to do about that.
02:47:54.000You know, I used to have those and I'd always lose them or give them away.
02:47:58.000Mail me one of those and I'll carry those.
02:48:01.000Well, you can get them right down there.
02:48:03.000Well, I know, but I forget how to... I don't have their address or phone number.
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02:53:25.000I wanted to let you know before I get to my questions that Alex, you woke me up while I was in the dentist chair when I first moved to Austin.
02:53:58.000And then the next day, you know, well, when I had, you had revisited it a few, like a few weeks ago.
02:54:04.000No, I mean, that was in the news, in industry publications four or five years ago.
02:54:07.000Oh, I know, I know, you were talking, I'm talking about a few weeks ago, you were totally, the next day in the Austin Statesman, it was on front page, so I was like, oh.
02:54:17.000I don't want to believe this stuff is true.
02:54:19.000I just spend all my time researching it.
02:54:39.000I was an undergraduate and I was so enraged at him and his position that I attended this graduate seminar and I was the only person who argued with him.
02:55:52.000Okay, anyways, um, after I was on your show about an hour, I was surrounded by three Colorado State Police and two FBI agents who started threatening me.