On today's show we have Michael Rivera of What Really Happened, Richard Stallman of the Free Software Movement, and Alex Jones of the Conspiracy Theories join host Alex Jones to discuss 9/11, the CIA black hole, and more!
00:00:35.000We're going to be live here for the next three hours.
00:00:38.000We've got Michael Rivera of WhatReallyHappened.com joining us coming up in the third hour.
00:00:44.000He's going to be joining us on the first Tuesday of every month, a regularly scheduled guest.
00:00:52.000And in the second hour, for part of the second hour, I've got Richard Stallman.
00:00:57.000Founder of the Free Software Movement, the GNU Project, and the Free Software Foundation, Stallman, is a political activist who recently caused a stir at the United Nations World Summit on the Information Society, at which he was a frequent speaker by openly protesting their use of radio frequency identification devices, technology, and wrapping his own identity badge in tinfoil, and foiling their system and causing a security alert.
00:01:26.000So that's coming up in the next hour, and even if you're not into computers and software and Big Brother information, it all affects you muy grande in a big, big way.
00:01:39.000So that is coming up in the next hour.
00:01:41.000We'll also talk a lot about RFID and tracking systems and face scanning and biometrics.
00:01:47.000Richard Stallman is not a fan of any of that, and he's going to be joining us to go over it.
00:01:55.000Paul Watson found a little video clip, or properly put, one of our wonderful listeners found a video clip that no one was aware of that was hidden in plain view on one of these big archive sites.
00:02:08.000And it meshes with another clip that we've recently discovered, thanks to you, from USA Today TV on the day of 9-11.
00:02:15.000Yes, they even four years ago had their own little TV clips every day.
00:02:20.000And in, because I know people don't read anymore, so that's where everybody's going, but side issue, side issue, the reporter there talking to one of the little federal experts about bombs clearly in the building.
00:02:32.000So we have that clip that we aired a week or so ago, and I need to tell my folks to go ahead and find that clip again on the computer.
00:02:40.000Police found suspected bombs in WTC on 9-1-1.
00:02:47.000Reports surfaced of truck parked in building.
00:02:52.000Now clearly a truck bomb didn't do that folks, but this is the reports and we're going to follow them and we're going to track it and we're going to cover it.
00:03:00.000Also, we now have, speaking of 9-11, final 9-1-1 report warns of danger ahead.
00:03:05.000If we don't give up all of our freedoms and accept a total police state, why, Bush hasn't done enough to get rid of our freedoms.
00:03:12.000The 9-11 Commission appointed by him says that we're all dead.
00:03:16.000Al Qaeda will literally drink our blood.
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00:08:50.000Then we have Michael Rivero joining us in the third hour to talk about the war on terror, which is the war on freedom.
00:08:59.0009-11, all the evidence of government complicity that's come out, what's happening right now with the war in Iraq, what's happening with the police state here domestically, the torture, all of it, in the third hour with Michael Rivera of WhatReallyHappened.com.
00:09:15.000It's not about left and right, ladies and gentlemen, it's about right and wrong.
00:09:19.000I get Democrats emailing me multiple times daily, going, I thought you were a good liberal.
00:09:24.000You understood that the New World Order was an evil right-wing neocon system.
00:09:30.000Hey, liberals, you didn't know what a New World Order was a year ago.
00:09:33.000You didn't know what it was five years ago, ten years ago.
00:09:36.000And so now that their paradigm has partially shifted, and now they see the global government, they're putting on the face of the world government the mask that they are comfortable with.
00:09:49.000No, let me inform you, the New World Order controls both political parties in this country.
00:09:55.000It controls the Tories, that is the Conservatives, and Labor, the so-called Liberals.
00:10:01.000It is a staged event, so you have discovered the rabbit hole, but you haven't gone very deeply down it yet.
00:10:09.000And so before you start chastising me, please take some time out to research just how serious things are.
00:10:18.000You're just now figuring out that Hillary isn't going to save you, that she's been staging things with the Republicans, and now that's finally being accepted by Democrats.
00:10:27.000But now it's time for you to learn just how deep it goes.
00:10:41.000I've got a lot of news to cover here in the next hour before our guest joins us, our first guest, and we'll have open phones with that guest as well, and open phones with the guest in the third hour.
00:10:59.000But first off, out of the gates, police found suspected bombs in WTC on 9-11, reports surfaced of truck parked in building.
00:11:24.000We have a link to it on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com.
00:11:29.000The details contained therein seem to have slipped under the radar amidst the huge body of evidence proving controlled demolition brought down both the Twin Towers and Building 7.
00:11:40.000So we're going to play that clip after we play a clip we played a few weeks ago of a USA Today reporter on their own little TV show they have on the web talking to another one of their anti-terror experts saying basically the same thing.
00:11:59.000Now, understand, we were already aware of some of these reports.
00:12:03.000We had talked to firemen, police, police chiefs.
00:12:06.000We have police chiefs on record, fire chiefs on record saying there were bombs, saying they were told to get out of Building 7, it was going to be blown up.
00:12:13.000We have the owner slipping up and saying that he blew it up.
00:12:18.000For those that don't know, the FBI, the CIA, Defense Intelligence, IRS, FEMA, City Command Center, State Command Center, Federal Command Center, the entire building.
00:12:31.000There were even other secret federal agencies in the building.
00:12:34.000I mean, that thing was another black hole, a black obelisk, that 47-story building.
00:12:42.000We know about the bombs, and then we would talk to police chiefs, or deputy chiefs, or deputy fire chiefs, firemen, and they would say, on record, look, I've been told to shut up and I'm not going to talk to you.
00:12:52.000Well, can you retract that you found bombs?
00:12:55.000Can you retract that there were bombs?
00:12:58.000I'm not going to retract anything, just leave me alone.
00:13:01.000So, sure, there's bad reportage on the day of any event.
00:13:05.000But usually there's more accurate reporting than there is later after the spin machine goes into high gear.
00:13:10.000So here's the first clip from USA Today's online TV program on the morning of 9-11.
00:13:21.000Now he is a foreign correspondent, war correspondent, and just came back from Israel.
00:13:26.000He has some information about these attacks.
00:13:28.000Jack, what can you tell us happened first in New York?
00:13:32.000Apparently what appears to happen was that at the same time two planes hit the building that the FBI most likely thinks that there was a car or truck packed with explosives underneath the buildings which also exploded at the same time and brought both of them down.
00:13:46.000Now that's the first time we're hearing that.
00:13:47.000So two planes and explosives that were in the building, is that correct?
00:13:52.000That is the working theory at this point.
00:13:54.000That is still unconfirmed but that is what the FBI is doing at this point.
00:13:58.000All right, now there's the first clip, and it's a little bit longer, you can go watch it on foals.com if you want.
00:14:03.000Here's the next clip that has been in the memory hole until one of our listeners discovered it last night.
00:14:08.000We have a big article written about it up on the website.
00:14:11.000Let's go ahead and roll this next clip.
00:14:14.000Rick Sanchez has been there throughout this morning for us.
00:14:17.000Rick, tell us where you are and what the latest is.
00:14:20.000Well, I'm in that area, if you're familiar with this area, where West Broadway and Hudson come together right at Chambers.
00:14:28.000That would put us about a block and a half away from the site of where the explosion was.
00:14:33.000That area has just been evacuated because police have found what they describe as a suspicious device, and they fear that it might be something that could lead to another explosion.
00:14:45.000Obviously, there's a real sense of caution here on the part of police.
00:14:49.000I spoke with some police officials moments ago, Chris, and they told me that they have reason to believe that one of the explosions at the World Trade Center, aside from the ones that may have been caused by the impact of the plane with the building, may have been caused by a van that was parked in the building may have been caused by a van that was parked in the building that may have had some type of explosive So, their fear is that there may have been explosive device planted either in the building or in the adjacent area.
00:15:18.000And that's why they're being so cautious.
00:15:20.000Now, the spin within the spin is, I've been involved on national radio in big debates with, you know, former 2020 executives, 2020 producers, like Lance and other people, And they won't even deny now that Building 7 was blown up with bombs.
00:15:39.000Scientific fact, we have the squibs or the ejection ports, the key blast points going off, literally, what is it?
00:15:50.000It's like 15 different separate firefighter tape and police reports.
00:15:56.000We have the reporter standing down at the bottom of the building when the blast blows out the bottom floor and then, that was the central column, then the other blasts start going off.
00:16:06.000Perfect demolition, controlled demolition, and then it falls into a neat little pile, not damaging two buildings, thirty feet away on each side.
00:16:14.000I've been there folks, it's unbelievable.
00:16:17.000How much precision, I mean the Las Vegas implosions aren't even this precise.
00:16:23.000So, for the claim that Cars were there, truck bombs were there.
00:16:30.000We don't know what the truth is, but we know that only bombs could do that, and there were controlled demolitions on those pillars, on those columns.
00:16:38.000I don't know if there were third devices, or fourth devices, or separate operations.
00:16:46.000We saw this in Oklahoma City, where clearly there's an ammonia nitrate truck bomb that goes off, Just seconds after, and we have the seismographs, the police, the firefighters, BATF on the ground admitting it.
00:17:00.000On record, I've interviewed the cops, and BATF runs up in full bomb gear five seconds after the blast, just immediately, and they say, why weren't you in the building?
00:17:11.000But we know that they had a secondary device outside as the decoy, as the diversion.
00:17:16.000And we know that a criminal black op group of feds was inside, and we even have got video of these people.
00:17:23.000That's been in some films out there, who were videotaped coming out of the building.
00:17:27.000And then we have outside the decoy, Decoys.
00:17:31.000We have McVeigh and then these Iraqis who were CIA minions, CIA operatives, CIA assets, who had been brought in and trained in the 80s, and brought in by Bush Sr.
00:17:42.000and Clinton in the early 90s, and they're all over the country, 5,000 of them ready to launch terror attacks the instant your loving president gives the order.
00:18:34.000government admittedly Northwoods, admittedly USS Liberty, admittedly Gulf of Tonkin, and over 130 bombings admittedly And the NATO option, the Salvadoran option, and the public knows it as Operation Gladio.
00:18:50.000And just publicly declassified, publicly admitted, blowing up school buses, shooting children, bombing schools.
00:19:00.000Kind of like Northwood says, killing young people really gets folks upset.
00:19:05.000It's kind of like that Republican memo that just came out in some of the Washington papers, National News Blackout on it, where they said that a casualty list, a huge terror attack, would really get you motivated and then your fear could be directed again.
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00:24:16.000From the intel I've gotten from police, firefighters, and others who won't even come on this show, but who have been on the record in years past about truck bombs, about finding explosives, Closed.
00:24:28.000Clearly there were truck bombs in place.
00:24:30.000Clearly there were diversionary explosions.
00:24:33.000There were all sorts of explosions going off that day.
00:25:04.000When I get up here and I say the government, I mean criminal elements.
00:25:07.000I mean very small compartmentalized groups.
00:25:10.000But the problem is that those criminalized groups are at the very top in every case.
00:25:20.000And so, the average person in the government goes, I'm just out looking for bank robbers, I'm just out looking for money launderers, I'm just out looking for people that are, you know, kidnapping children, or I'm out looking for the average cop looking for somebody who's stealing cars.
00:25:51.000I have Department of Education documents and I can have the former number two head of policy.
00:25:58.000Number two in the entire agency, head of policy.
00:26:01.000On the show to tell you about the documents.
00:26:05.000I can have Chief Economist from Reagan administration on.
00:26:09.000I can have Chief Economist from the current Bush administration on, who's gone public and is saying it's clearly an inside job on 9-11.
00:26:17.000Any claim we make, we can back it up with the documents in triplicate from 14 different angles, literally, or more, and up one side and down the other, and then we can provide you insiders.
00:26:29.000People always say, well, something this big, you know, 9-11, why insiders would blow the whistle, why people would go public.
00:27:18.000It was even worse than what he, the paper had watered down what the Colonel had said.
00:27:24.000The Dean of the Defense Language School, who said he personally was the head of many classes where he was forced to train the supposed hijackers who were high-level, black-op, U.S.
00:27:47.000Remember in years past where I'd do three-hour shows and wouldn't take a single call and wouldn't slow down?
00:27:52.000I would have like ten giant four-inch thick folders just going through prior knowledge, involvement, bin Laden being a CIA asset, bombs in the buildings.
00:28:03.000I would go through just, just, just I could have an entire college course.
00:28:08.000You could have a four-year course on 9-11 and still not know it all.
00:28:12.000It is just... You cannot pull something off that big and not get caught.
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00:39:04.000They don't even look at their own polls that show that we're winning.
00:39:08.000They don't realize that there is a peaceful revolution of informational war taking place, that their crimes are being exposed at an exponential rate.
00:39:19.000Let's push it over the edge while they're still blind to what's happening, while they're still sucking their thumbs, while their minions are still basking in the Maui sun.
00:39:34.000Before they carry out the next terror attack, and before we go to the next level, which is open martial law, which you've openly heard them pushing.
00:39:43.000You see, that's another big problem that the globalists have, is that everything we've talked about Everything we've written about, everything we've covered has come true exactly as we said it would.
00:39:56.000How did I know five years ago they'd openly be saying we all need microchips because it's cool and because it keeps us safe from terrorists?
00:40:10.000How did we know that Iraq would be a total failure and that they would pose and say that they'd failed and then bring in later foreign troops?
00:40:18.000How did we know they'd use natural disasters to bring foreign troops into America to set that precedent and ratchet it up next time?
00:40:33.000When you get, when you see some 500 page PDF file from PNAC, or from Rand Corporation, or from the Naval War College, or from any of these groups, from the IMF, from the World Bank, when you see that there, don't, don't, don't just, I'm not going to read it.
00:41:09.000Your enemy, just because they give you a bunch of sophistry and soft soap pap about how they love you and about how they're taking care of you and about how you're part of the system and you're part of the power grid because you're a little bureaucrat.
00:41:24.000You need to go read exactly what they say about you.
00:41:29.000And then you think about this social engineering we're under.
00:41:34.000The 9-11 Commission final 9-1-1 report warns of danger ahead.
00:41:40.000In the scathing final report, the 9-1-1 Commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks says the United States wasn't ready then and isn't ready now.
00:41:48.000And they go on to criticize in the quote, bipartisan body, see this article out of CBC is how they're, they're bipartisan, they're good, they're independent.
00:41:58.000It's like saying Heinrich Himmler and Herman Goering were in a bi-partisan panel and they supported the Fuhrer's program for living space.
00:42:09.000And he said Lehmansstrau or however, I don't know.
00:42:13.000The commission recommended both sweeping and specific reforms.
00:42:16.000National ID cards, Patriot Act II, total control, The commission, the day they were formed by George Bush, literally appointing a commission, every one of them in business with Lockheed Martin or Carlisle Group or Bechtel, every one of them.
00:42:36.000I mean, some of them clearly involved in running 9-11.
00:42:42.000And they call it, it's like when Janet Reno appointed Senator Dan Burton to investigate her And it was run by her office with her two deputies assisting him and he was the old whitewash man for twenty years.
00:42:58.000It's like they always appoint Spectre who was the guy who was on, who was a staffer on the Warren Commission back in the mid-sixties saying magic bullets shoot through two people, four bones, metal and a seat and don't even deform.
00:43:13.000For anybody that's ever shot bullets into things and dug them out, as I've done hundreds of times, Being somewhat of an aficionado on such things.
00:43:22.000The point is, is that, is that it's insane.
00:43:29.000And, again, this is how they create false paradigms.
00:43:32.000This is the most simple, easy to understand example.
00:43:36.000They know that the human mind wants choices.
00:43:38.000They know, then, that they will say, okay, you've got a choice.
00:43:42.000We're either going to cut your head off, your arms and your legs off.
00:43:46.000That's what the 9-11 Commission wants.
00:44:31.000And then Bush is just a fraction off of that, and then they are at the dead polar center of martial law, in the center of it, black hole, I'm kind of stuck on that word today, it is a black hole of tyranny, and then he can get aid and comfort from that and go, well look, even the bipartisan independent commission wants what I want!
00:44:51.000And the average person reads this and goes, well they're a bipartisan independent commission!
00:45:54.000And really more than lies, they're spin, or they're misrepresentations, or they're lying by omission.
00:46:00.000Now listen, polls shows divide on question of torture.
00:46:05.000Now a divide, classically, is seen as a 50-50 split.
00:46:09.000Divide in its modern, semantical, Connotation.
00:46:14.000In the mental lexicon, that word, which is a symbol, is recognized by the cerebral cortex as a divide, or a canyon, with an equal divide, a separation.
00:46:47.000People in 8 countries that are American allies don't want the United States conducting secret interrogations of terror suspects on their soil and AP poll found.
00:47:39.000In your own Washington Post, they have a CIA section chief, months after 9-11, saying they were torturing people and their children in foreign countries.
00:47:51.000They know how to do a Google search or a LexisNexis.
00:47:54.000Anxiety about Recent reports of secret prisons run by the CIA in Eastern Europe have been highlighted by an ongoing debate on the use of torture.
00:48:03.000The poll found Americans and residents of many of the Allied countries divided on the question of torture with about as many saying it's okay in some cases as those saying it should never be used.
00:48:16.000Yeah, here they'll go if the guy's got a nuclear bomb strapped to a city and he won't tell you where it is, can you torture him?
00:48:25.000You know, that one in a billion reasons, and they use that to get us to accept it.
00:48:29.000They crack the ice, they crack the shell.
00:48:32.000And then, next month, should we torture small children in front of their parents?
00:48:42.000See, and then your journey towards being a Nazi prison guard is complete.
00:48:47.000Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who is traveling in Europe this week, said Monday, the United States is following all laws and treaties on the treatment of terrorism suspects and has shared intelligence with its allies that has helped protect European countries from attack and saving European lives.
00:49:10.000We don't torture, but we're blocking a Senate law that would ban torture, and we'll send people to prison that openly follow our orders to torture.
00:49:18.000But Saddam's bad, and we're going to call witnesses in that they hooked electrodes to people and shocked them, but we're doing it, and it's good.
00:49:28.000officials, Rice has refused to answer the underlying question of whether the CIA operated secret Soviet-era prisons in Eastern Europe, and whether CIA flights arrived in al-Qaeda prisoners.
00:50:15.000I've seen polls where 55-60% are against it.
00:50:18.000I mean, is there some poll I don't know of where they Well yeah, I guess there are polls I've seen where it's not that many, but it is a slight majority when they say, if he's got a bomb, and he's gonna release it, and they're gonna kill children, should they use pressure to get it?
00:50:31.000And of course the stupid milquetoast American doesn't know that torture never works, you can't trust a government that tortures, and you can't trust the data that comes from torture.
00:50:42.000It doesn't matter if former CIA directors go public and say it's a shame and it doesn't work.
00:50:48.000Torture is only good for getting fake confessions.
00:50:52.000Torture was used by the Nazis, the Soviets, and every other evil group you can shake a stick at.
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00:55:05.000You really do need to build a wall against the propaganda, enemy transmissions, but you need turrets, parapets, You need to be able to look out at the enemy transmissions and use them to spur you towards fighting them even more.
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00:55:55.000Yeah, Alex, I have a series of satellite radio and they have BBC and they've been covering what you've been covering about the shadow government of the United States and Russia bringing people to torture camps.
00:56:10.000One thing I like about BBC, they're a little bit more in-depth.
00:56:14.000For instance, when the statue of Saddam Hussein fell, Fox News would say, look at all the good people cheering, while BBC would say, look at all the socialists cheering.
00:56:28.000I want to give BBC a little plug on that.
00:57:42.000But then, oh yes, the bank robbers, they did conspire.
00:57:46.000You mention a lot about the neocons, and the modern evangelicals I think it's even worse.
00:57:53.000Sir, they're openly saying, take microchips, world government's good, China's good, we're going to have Jesus will soon be among us, we'll worship him as our world leader.
00:58:03.000Yeah, they promote a lot of democracy, and I don't know where they get permission from Jesus Christ to do that, but there's an old slogan, it goes like this, where God's law is absent, the devil is present, and it seems like that's very true.
01:00:10.000And you can look in public schools in their textbooks, and they'll say things like, random mutations produce the genetic material required to create new organisms.
01:00:22.000They'll say stuff like that and they won't show a picture of it or anything.
01:02:17.000Everything was run by the fathers, the heads of the families.
01:02:21.000And the earth became extremely, extremely wicked.
01:02:25.000As a result of that, of course, the flood happened, which there's evidence of that all over the planet, a global flood.
01:02:32.000But anyway, the flood happened, and so After the flood, God institutes civil government, and it's just interesting, that paradigm, because you have, in the beginning of mankind's history, there's no government, and the whole planet's just going crazy, and it's just mass brutality everywhere.
01:03:11.000You know, that gets into Romans 13 and all of it, and clearly, I mean, the entire Bible and just our history and common sense says you fight corrupt governments.
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01:06:59.000All right, our first guest today here as we start the second hour is Richard Stallman, founder of the Free Software Movement, the GNU Project, and the Free Software Foundation.
01:07:17.000Stallman is a political activist who recently caused a stir at the United Nations World Summit on the Information Society, at which he was a featured speaker, but openly protesting their use of RFID technology by wrapping his identity badge in tinfoil.
01:07:38.000But Mr. Stallman, I would also add, of course, that they're going to the The very invasive technologies of face scanning and the rest of it, where it doesn't even matter if we carry the chip, and it doesn't even matter if we don't want to be part of it.
01:09:49.000And someone at one of the companies, who's a felon, And this is not just hypothetical.
01:09:54.000He is accessing it, manipulating it, live time during the election, but then say, Diebold, real world, with the felon running their software in California, says, we'll sue you if you do that again.
01:10:12.000That's an example of proprietary software.
01:10:15.000Now, I don't have proprietary software installed in my computer, because any proprietary software Is denying your freedom.
01:10:24.000So I started this movement 22 years ago, where we develop our own software, and we do everything with our own free software, and that means we don't use proprietary software anymore.
01:10:36.000Now I know you're not Red Hat, Linux, or any of that, but that's a good point for people who know a little about computers to understand what you're saying, but you say that's different from what you do.
01:10:48.000I launched the development of a free operating system called GNU, and through a confusion that happened about 12 or 13 years ago, most of the people who use it think it's Linux.
01:11:01.000Actually, Linux is one of the important pieces of the system, which was developed in 1991 and it was made free software in 1992.
01:11:10.000So these people really are using Linux, but Linux isn't what they think it is.
01:11:16.000They're using the GNU operating system.
01:11:17.000So it's like, you're Lee Farrickson, who discovered America, and you called it Big Greenland, but then 500 years later, Columbus came along and he called it America.
01:11:28.000Well, I don't think Columbus called it America, but in any case... I'm being sarcastic here.
01:12:53.000I don't know, because you see, I don't actually even care whether it held back technical progress, because I know that it takes away the user's freedom.
01:13:02.000And I'm more concerned about freedom than technical progress.
01:13:05.000I would trade some technical progress for some freedom any day.
01:13:11.000So you found out about this 20 years ago and then you launched... GNU is a larger system and Linux is just a part of that.
01:13:21.000Can you explain to us what your root software was?
01:13:31.000Which is a humorous way of saying it's similar to Unix.
01:13:34.000It works the same way Unix does, but we wrote every piece of it afresh, because Unix is proprietary software and we couldn't use that.
01:13:43.000So, a Unix-like operating system is a collection of hundreds of different pieces, some big, some small, and they all have to work together.
01:13:52.000So we were just making piece after piece after piece, and in some cases we found a piece that someone else had made, And then, when there was one important gap left, then Linus Torvalds developed Linux, and that filled the last gap.
01:14:09.000So he essentially put the last stone in place to make the whole building.
01:14:16.000I want to get into some of the topics that you think are most important and talk about your point of getting into the United Nations by blocking their RFID tracker checks.
01:14:25.000I should explain, when I went through the security to get in, I unwrapped the badge because they of course were going to look at it.
01:14:34.000I wasn't refusing to show them my badge.
01:14:39.000They also scanned it against a machine when I went in through the gate.
01:14:43.000But while I was walking around inside of the event, they didn't say they were checking anything, so why should it not be?
01:14:52.000Why should it be having an RFID that was scannable?
01:14:57.000So you're making the point that it could potentially be tracking people inside of there, but let's go to another real-world example of this and tell me if I'm right, sir, and again we're honored to have you.
01:15:08.000He goes, makes a deal with IBM, and then basically for the next 20 years had an almost total monopoly on the operating system that was used, built all these back doors into it for the NSA and Big Brother, and it's a sick joke.
01:15:25.000Plus, it now has proliferated the viruses and the hacking and all these problems because we've got 80% of the market, and that's with an erosion of the monopoly going.
01:15:36.000I mean, how Gates did this and your whole view on it?
01:15:39.000This is a secondary consequence of the fact that it was proprietary software.
01:15:44.000and that gives the developer power over the users.
01:15:48.000You see, with free software, since everyone is free to copy it, redistribute it, that includes selling copies, and free to study what it does and change it, none of these things are possible.
01:15:58.000There's never a monopoly with free software, because even if it's... even if, suppose, everybody likes one program, and everybody uses more or less the same program, Everybody's free to adapt it and distribute their own versions of it, so you get free competition anyway.
01:16:17.000Whereas, when you're using proprietary software, even if there's a choice of different products, you might think a choice of products means it's not a monopoly, but that's a mistake.
01:16:29.000Because in fact, the support for any of those programs is always a monopoly.
01:16:34.000So the base licensing is the same foundation?
01:16:38.000The crucial point is not whether there's an apparent monopoly, it's whether the program respects your freedom or tramples it.
01:16:47.000Proprietary software tramples your freedom, and the solution that I came up with 22 years ago was Let's build an alternative, and then we won't use the proprietary software.
01:16:58.000Well, I mean, that was a visionary thing you did, and you really are credited as being one of the first people to really push that and to have stuck with it.
01:17:23.000Companies like Microsoft are actively trying to find us all around the world with the help of their government in Washington.
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01:23:41.000You know, I see basically what Richard Stallman's doing as really trying to get more freedom to the people and looking at the architecture, the foundations behind everything our civilization is now being based on.
01:24:09.000Because it literally, in cyberspace, will make the real world part of cyberspace, and will attach every item in your home, everything you buy, to an RFID chip for total matrix-like control.
01:24:21.000I don't know if Richard Stallman agrees with that, but I think that that's what we see being constructed, and he is attacking their very architecture.
01:24:30.000Richard, would you like to comment on those statements?
01:24:34.000I don't know how far or how fast Things will move in that direction, but it's a scary direction to go in, even if we don't get all the way there.
01:24:45.000And I'm trying to fight against it in every way that I see.
01:24:48.000You know, I still have an office at MIT.
01:24:52.000I quit my job at MIT to start the GNU Project 22 years ago, but they let me have an office for old time's sake.
01:24:59.000And a year and a half ago, the lab Moved into a building where the doors are opened by an RFID in MIT ID cards.
01:25:24.000It's so fast, it's hardly worth the trouble.
01:25:27.000So someone developed a machine I can use When I push a button, it transmits as if it were the RFID, and it transmits the number of somebody else.
01:25:40.000So, the result is that A, it doesn't transmit at all except when I push the button, and B, when it does, they can't identify it as me.
01:25:54.000This just shows what a fraud these systems are.
01:25:57.000Yeah, well it's not really very secure at all.
01:26:01.000Now that, of course, is something they might be able to fix.
01:26:05.000It just takes some attention and thought.
01:26:07.000Back to the UN thing here for just a moment.
01:26:09.000I was reading out of Information Week that they actually picked up on the fact that you weren't letting your RFID chip be read, and that that alerted them to actually come over to you.
01:26:23.000What I do know is that as I was getting ready to speak at the event, which was why I'd been invited to this summit, Some police came over and asked to speak with me, if I would please move aside, and I said loudly, whatever you want to say to me, you can say right here.
01:26:48.000And at the end of the event, well then they sort of backed off, but at the end of the event, they actually wouldn't let me out of the room for a while.
01:26:56.000So, unless I took the aluminum foil off my badge, so I said, loudly, they're not allowing me to leave the room.
01:28:21.000And I want to also talk about some of the websites in your organization and how people can rebel against this by some of your suggestions and ideas you've got.
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01:32:34.000And the globalists in their own white paper say their final plan is to dumb you down, is to totally control you, and to basically entertain you to death.
01:32:43.000It's more of the Brave New World than the 1984-style tyranny.
01:32:48.000Pleasure you to death, basically, which in many cases is worse than even knowing you're a slave in the 1984-type universe.
01:32:56.000I would call an amalgamation of the two.
01:32:59.000Richard Stallman, what are some websites or key places we can visit?
01:33:02.000I mean, up on Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, we've got links over to some of the sites, but where should our listeners visit?
01:33:09.000Well, to learn about free software and the GNU system, look at www.gnu.org.
01:33:19.000There's also the website of the Free Software Foundation, which is fsf.org.
01:33:26.000And then I have a personal website where I do other things, you know, put up several political notes every day and also post things like my song parodies and some political cartoons which I write and then find other people to draw for me.
01:34:02.000I've got a sneaking suspicion we agree on more than we disagree.
01:34:05.000Sir, let's get back to what we talked about 15 minutes ago.
01:34:08.000I said, is the establishment getting angry?
01:34:10.000The noises I'm saying, the things I'm saying, tells me that they really are starting to figure out, and they're arrogant, so I think they're figuring it out late, that they really are losing their control rather quickly, and they're now moving with a lot of different things, internet taxation, regulation, all this, to try to shut that down.
01:34:29.000Give us your educated comment on that.
01:34:31.000Well, I'm not completely sure which is the issue.
01:34:35.000If the issue is free software, then yes, Microsoft and often working together with Hollywood and their record companies are trying to prohibit a lot of kinds of free software.
01:34:48.000A law is being considered in France now that would prohibit a somewhat vague range of free software.
01:34:56.000If it doesn't have digital restrictions management in it, if it could be used for forbidden copying, Then it would be prohibited, and it's hard to tell just what range of free software might be prohibited by that law.
01:35:11.000There have been similar proposals in the US, and of course there already is the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which is the law that prohibits distribution of free software to play a DVD.
01:36:43.000By the way, a lot of people don't even know that.
01:36:45.000It's admitted, a lot of software has engineered bugs that pop up on an average of every two years to make you buy the next software, even if you don't need it.
01:36:56.000I haven't heard of that one, but there are many malicious features in non-free software.
01:37:01.000Because you see, once the developer has power over you, once you can't look at the software and study what's in it and fix it if it's broken, That puts the developer in a position where it's easy to abuse you in other ways.
01:37:15.000It's a temptation that's always there.
01:37:18.000So, of course, some of them give into it.
01:38:56.000We're going to link through over to Richard Stallman's website, some of his different websites and organizations that he's founded.
01:39:04.000Richard, where do you see things going in the future and what do you think the most important issues are or substrata of those issues right now?
01:39:15.000My crystal ball is cloudy today and every day.
01:39:18.000All I can try to see are tendencies that I'm aware of in the present and I'm sure you're aware of most of the same ones.
01:39:29.000We have A sort of, you might say, media government complex, where the right wing can do all sorts of horrible things and they don't get much of a scandal about it, whereas Clinton has sex, depending on your definition of sex, and he gets impeached.
01:39:50.000I mean, with a media system like that, it's hard to keep anybody honest, and that's how we get Bush's war on integrity.
01:40:00.000I think that information is the key, informing people, taking away the control of the corporate world.
01:40:10.000Over the information that enables us to tell when our politicians are doing something wrong.
01:40:17.000What do you think of the Internet, too?
01:40:18.000Because I've read where they announce the end of the Internet and they say they're not going to upgrade the hubs and the switching systems for the first Internet.
01:40:26.000They're going to have this new Internet where they force you to be through a university or a subdomain.
01:40:30.000They're going to have all these speech rules and all these software rules.
01:40:53.000Well, I mean, you're right, and that's the problem.
01:40:54.000The world's so complex, none of us can know about everything.
01:40:57.000So I was seeing what you thought about it.
01:40:58.000There's a lot, of course, I have no idea about.
01:41:00.000But no, Internet 2 is quite serious, because it's going to be kind of like a private-slash-governmental Internet, with all these new rules, and then they're going to just start basically not upgrading the government switching hubs and file sharing.
01:41:18.000I mean, the government doesn't run most of the internet now, and whether or not the government updates its internet facilities is sort of irrelevant to most of us.
01:41:30.000Well, by that, and I've read all the technical data on it, but over time it gets a little bit foggy in my brain as well.
01:41:37.000But basically, with ICANN and these other groups, the government, basically the U.S.
01:41:44.000government, the NSA, who helped build it, I mean obviously you know that DARPA, is deciding what that architecture will be.
01:42:07.000I mean, I don't know enough about this to talk about it, so I think it's not useful for us to discuss this unless maybe another time if you sent me information I could try to think about it.
01:42:18.000Today it might be more useful to talk about something else.
01:42:20.000Microsoft platform systems, what do they have, about 20% of the market right now?
01:42:30.000You see, I don't actually think that alternative systems are a good thing, because I'm concerned with whether the system respects my freedom or not.
01:43:17.000Do you have any numbers on how many pieces of free software, even though they're trying to prohibit it, and that is something you build, folks, and they're saying you're not allowed to give it away.
01:44:12.000Well, I would think even somebody whose main platform is non-free software is, at the very same time, while they're on the internet every day, using free software.
01:44:28.000For instance, even if you're running Windows, you might have installed Mozilla or Firefox as your web browser, and that's mostly free software.
01:46:18.000Well, some people are getting tortured, and some people are getting killed, and political activists get harassed intentionally, systematically.
01:46:29.000And they're on the verge of banning any criticism of the government that's war-related.
01:46:39.000I've just got an invitation to Australia and I said, uh, we're going to have to study this before I might get arrested for things I say if I go to Australia.
01:46:48.000By the way, folks, we're not exaggerating about that.
01:47:32.000They'll say Saddam was evil, he allegedly tortured, and then, and he had rape rooms when, by the way, our people put him in power, but we don't talk about that.
01:47:40.000We have amnesia, selective amnesia, there.
01:47:43.000And then they go, but when we torture, it's good.
01:47:45.000I mean... No, well, they say when Bush tortures, it isn't torture.
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01:54:44.000Open source versus proprietary software.
01:54:47.000My husband's also a software architect.
01:54:50.000He's been trying to get businesses to use open source forever because it's cost effective, it's maintainable, it has better integrity because it's constant updates from engineers all over the world.
01:55:02.000My questions are, Tony, have you heard about the, of course you've probably heard about the new software.
01:55:09.000Yes, I should point out, open source is the way people talk about free software when they don't want to raise issues of ethics and freedom.
01:55:18.000That's the way to talk about more or less the same software, but in a way that focuses solely on practical benefits.
01:55:27.000I want to talk about ethics and freedom.
01:55:30.000Even though it's the same software, it's important for people to understand that it's an ethical issue and a political issue.
01:55:38.000If they use it because it's more powerful and reliable, which sometimes it is, Well, that's good, but they need to value the freedom.
01:55:46.000Well, I notice that you're obsessed with semantics, and that's important because they're changing the words, they're manipulating the words as cultural symbols.
01:55:54.000Yes, anyway, I do want to answer your question.
01:55:56.000Sony implemented digital restrictions management on some of their fake CDs, and they did it in a way that did every other nasty thing that anyone could possibly imagine.
01:56:13.000And because of that, they're getting a lot of flack.
01:56:16.000So, for instance, it puts back doors into your computer, it spies on you, and not only that, they even copied some free software and didn't tell people, which was a violation of the license.
01:56:29.000Well, it was John McCain who said they want to do a thing where it makes your computer blow up.
01:56:34.000Well, that, I don't know how they could make a computer blow up, but they could certainly take it over if it... Well, that was the mindless turn... I mean, that was the term he used, obviously, fry.
01:56:44.000Any case, so Sony is getting a lot of criticism, and it deserves criticism because it tried to implement digital restrictions management, DRM, stopping people from copying the music.
01:57:57.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:58:01.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:58:05.000All right, now into the third and final hour. now into the third and final hour.
01:58:24.000And Another interesting guest joining us coming up in a few minutes.
01:58:27.000I know we've had callers holding forever, but we've got our guest on with us.
01:58:31.000Real fast, Barbara in Texas comments on what our guest Richard Stallman was saying there at the end of the hour about open source or slash free software.
01:58:41.000Semantics are incredibly important, and it's also incredibly important to understand what you're vulnerable to when you are on the Internet.
01:58:51.000I'm a film and software editor as well, and I never, ever allow my editing machine to touch the Internet.
01:59:01.000In fact, the machine we have connected to the Internet we refer to as the virus pig.
01:59:07.000But one more question for Dr. Salman is, before the web we used to use the internet with just numerical addresses and commands, kind of like similar to DOTS.
01:59:39.000I'm not an expert on security, and the thing is, what was or wasn't secure was a matter mainly of details, precisely what software are you using.
01:59:52.000Well I know this, I've seen, well I mean I'll just throw this in.
01:59:55.000Most of your identity fraud is big companies selling bulk packets of information to other companies who then sell it openly to fronts for criminals.
02:00:04.000Then they claim the whole internet is a big problem when that's about twenty percent of the actual problem.
02:00:09.000Well we use all of the Mozilla and PeerGuardian and all of that on the computer and it's extremely helpful.
02:00:25.000Yes, I just wanted to point out that he said it was so easy for someone to pretty much write a little program that would allow him to bypass the RFID sensor.
02:00:34.000I just look at this overlapping with this DNA evidence.
02:00:37.000It's really who controls the database and how this is going to... You can fake DNA, you can fake fingerprints, you can also... Exactly.
02:00:45.000Two witnesses aren't needed anymore, you know?
02:00:57.000I can only say that a lot of people who have been falsely convicted and even sentenced to death have been freed because DNA evidence showed they were innocent.
02:01:10.000That we could use this as a scientific study to measure the accuracy of trials.
02:01:19.000With appropriate, careful calculation, we could use those cases in which DNA evidence became available later, which is just a fraction.
02:01:32.000...properly extrapolating the results of those... So they've actually done those... ...to measure the correctness of the justice system in trials.
02:01:38.000So they've done that study, but it's been in very small groups, so it can't be called completely scientific, but it's looking like around a third of the people on death row are innocent.
02:02:23.000I mean, we shouldn't call pirate radio pirate radio, but I have to say, I have to say micro broadcasting or community broadcasting known as pirate radio.
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02:06:02.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:06:07.000Alright, eight minutes into the second hour, third hour, excuse me, second segment.
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02:06:17.000Eddie in England, Jose in Puerto Rico, Nathan in Austin, Texas, Gary in Ohio.
02:06:23.000Those are the four calls I'm going to take this hour because we've only got 51 and a half minutes.
02:06:28.000We've got Michael Rivera on with us and he's just got a great political mind and so much amazing research.
02:06:34.000He's the guy who really, on the internet, in its virgin days, when it was just becoming somewhat popular with a few million Americans, In the mid-90s, early 90s, he started exposing the Vince Foster murder, things of that nature, and his website has been amongst the biggest on the internet.
02:06:51.000I mean, many years before Drudge was out puttering around, Michael Rivera was there doing it at WhatReallyHappened.com.
02:06:57.000We're so honored that he would join us.
02:06:59.000He's going to be joining us the first Tuesday of every month.
02:07:03.000And so here he is on this December 6, 2005 edition.
02:07:07.000month and so here he is on this December 6, 2005 edition.
02:07:11.000But I will go to our callers here soon because I know you've been holding throughout the last hour when we had a guest on about open source, i.e. free software.
02:07:22.000But going to Michael Rivero from whatreallyhappened.com.
02:07:27.000Michael, during the break I said, what do you want to cover?
02:07:32.000Because, you know, I don't really ask my guests beforehand.
02:07:35.000I just want to have people on who I respect to get their views on things.
02:07:39.000And you shed this congressman out in California with millions of dollars just admittedly through fake companies.
02:07:46.000And now you've done research, which is always impeccable, that leads into Hordes and hotel rooms and basically total control that we already knew was there.
02:07:56.000I mean, hell, Barney Frank can have underage male prostitutes up in his bungalow and what would be pedophilia anywhere else is no big deal.
02:08:03.000I mean, this is our imperial Rome, but give us your analysis on what's happening with Duke Cunningham and the rest of these people.
02:08:10.000The story basically started out as a straightforward kind of bribery situation where Duke Cunningham admitted taking
02:08:18.0002.4 million dollars in bribes in various material objects plus a payout that was disguised as the purchase of one of his older homes and he has resigned from Congress and he's been convicted and he's looking at some serious jail time and in exchange for his bribes he steered a tremendous amount of defense contract spending to this series of companies which on examination most of them seem to be nothing more than false fronts.
02:08:45.000Street address, post office box, and a very fancy website and not much else.
02:08:51.000The companies were linked then to these PAC organizations which were funneling money back to various congressmen and it just seemed to be this money laundering and kickback scheme going on.
02:09:03.000The story is continuing to break even today.
02:09:07.000There are some reports that some of these false front companies are now linked to CIA operations.
02:09:12.000That a lot of this money that was being siphoned off from the defense budget was being used for what are called off-the-book operations by the CIA, and it's beginning to shape up that this is a repeat of the Iran-Contra scandal, where the CIA was engaged in operations that the U.S.
02:09:30.000Congress did not officially authorize, and resorted to some very questionable activities, including drug smuggling, to finance these projects because they were off the books.
02:09:42.000And this is starting to look like a repeat of that same situation.
02:09:45.000Now clearly I've seen the evidence of that, but why then burn Duke Cuttingham?
02:09:49.000We know they've got the power to pull out the stops in most cases and stop a prosecution.
02:09:56.000Or was it just so flagrant that the Duke has to fall?
02:10:01.000It was so flagrant and the CIA already has a lot of attention focused on it coming out of the Plains scandal and in point of fact, This might be an attempt by the Bush administration, the White House, to put the focus onto the CIA and off of themselves.
02:10:18.000Because, as you know, the CIA and the White House have very much been in conflict.
02:10:24.000Well, we know CIA agents are blowing the whistle on fake intelligence, on torture.
02:11:02.000Both sides are clearly very afraid, although I think the White House is far more afraid, given the CIA's past track record.
02:11:09.000History shows us that this is what finally does bring down corrupt regimes and empires, is that their own people start fighting with each other.
02:11:17.000I mean, that's the separation of powers acting for us.
02:11:21.000Well, there's that, and there's also the case of there is such an interlocked web of of corruption and it's almost like this structure is strung with piano wire and the first time something snaps the whole thing's going to unravel.
02:11:35.000And it looks like this might be happening because everybody's dirty laundry is getting aired out.
02:11:44.000I mean, we thought nothing could be worse than Bill Clinton, and all of these scandals have warped Bill Clinton.
02:11:48.000You were a pioneer exposing him, as I said earlier.
02:11:51.000It just seems to get worse and worse, and then we just kind of, you know, it's like your dog does his business on the floor, and we've just given in to it and let the dog go, and now the floor is carpeted with the droppings.
02:12:01.000Well, it's getting pretty bad out there, and I think part of it is that more people are paying attention, because as you were pointing out, back in the days of Vince Foster, there were only a few websites like mine.
02:12:11.000I mean, we were out there before the word blog had even been invented, and we were finding what we could, but now there are far more of these blogs, and as a result, they are exposing more and more of this information.
02:12:25.000And by the way, I'll tell you why the standard of the alternative media is much better than the mainstream media.
02:12:59.000It's a correcting mechanism that we have that you don't see in a lot of the corporate media.
02:13:04.000And as a result, not only are we... We're kind of open source.
02:13:07.000We're open source free media, and so we're getting faster and better, and larger, and they're getting more centralized, more control, trying to stop leaks.
02:13:17.000They're full of CIA and NSA and Department of Education operatives.
02:13:22.000So they're getting more dinosaur-like, whereas we're spreading.
02:13:27.000We absolutely, and the mainstream media, they're losing audience, they're losing market share.
02:13:31.000There was another report today the LA Times is having to let go of more people and yet radio shows and websites like yours and mine You know, we're exploding in our readership.
02:13:40.000We've upgraded our server three times this year so far, and we still can't keep up with the bandwidth.
02:13:45.000Yeah, I don't like the Tudor horn because it's frankly daunting, it's humbling, it freaks me out.
02:13:49.000I mean, when say, InfoWars.com, which is one of four sites I have, when it's bigger than the Austin American Statesman, with all its classifieds, all its car ads, everybody checking moving listings, and then I've got other sites.
02:14:01.000You combine my sites, the more traffic on the Dallas Morning News, your site's gigantic.
02:14:07.000Yeah, absolutely they are and they definitely resent us, but at least they've given up trying to claim that we're all havens for child pornographers and satanists and all the rest of that.
02:14:16.000So, I think they've finally come to realize that the phenomenon is here to stay, the internet is becoming the dominant news media within the U.S.
02:14:25.000and it is a good thing because obviously You know, going back to 2003 and looking at all the lies that led us into the Iraq War, the corporate mainstream media was right there, hand-in-glove with the Bush administration, feeding these lies to the public.
02:14:40.000No, they weren't fool, they were willing accomplices!
02:14:42.000Absolutely, and they're doing it again!
02:14:44.000Just yesterday we were seeing a story.
02:14:46.000Iran is only months away from nuclear weapons.
02:14:49.000That's almost word for word the claim they made about Iraq.
02:14:52.000Well they had the same people straw who said 45 minutes we're going to get nuked by Saddam running around saying Iran's going to nuke us.
02:15:00.000The same people, the same lies in the mainstream media is still there refusing to challenge, refusing to question.
02:15:07.000And they have completely failed in their self-proclaimed role as watchdog on government abuse, and that's where the blogs and the internet sites have stepped in to fulfill that function within our society.
02:15:18.000Where do you see this going with the Duke Cunningham thing?
02:15:21.000I mean, he's not debating it, it's not up for discussion.
02:15:24.000Millions and millions of dollars that he got personally for hundreds of millions of dollars of payoffs.
02:15:29.000I mean, are we going to see the companies that he's connected to go down?
02:15:34.000Earlier this year, Cynthia McKinney brought up the trillions missing from the Pentagon, and Rumsfeld didn't deny it.
02:15:40.000He just said, we're not going to talk about it.
02:15:41.000No, we're not going to let you see the books.
02:15:43.000I mean, we're not talking about a few million with Cunningham.
02:15:46.000We're talking about trillions, boys and girls.
02:15:50.000There's a saying that we have over at our website that the last official act of any government is to loot the nation.
02:15:55.000And it does sometimes appear that we're seeing that right now, with the money just pouring out of the country.
02:16:00.000And I think one of the things that is really going to anger a lot of people About Cunningham's escapade, which apparently was something like $700 million worth of defense contracts that went to companies that didn't actually provide anything.
02:16:17.000Yeah, he didn't get a very good deal for that.
02:16:18.000And at the same time, you see our kids who are over there in Iraq who don't have adequate supplies, who don't have adequate protection, that they're being killed because they're wearing bulletproof vests that don't stop bullets.
02:16:29.000And you realize what a tremendous racket this whole world is in.
02:16:33.000And the guy that sold it to him has $10 million birthday parties for his daughter.
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02:21:49.000Folks, we're not churning our own horns when we state the fact that whatreallyhappened.com, prisonplanet.com, sites like that are as big as Rush Limbaugh's.
02:22:18.000And Michael Rivero, I know I'm going back into this, but I still don't think... I mean, sure, there used to be the nightly TV reports about, go on the Internet, you'll be robbed, raped, and killed.
02:22:27.000You know, the Internet is where Satan lives.
02:22:31.000People aren't buying that now, but at the same time, how is the establishment, do you think, going to attack the Internet?
02:22:39.000For one thing, a lot of the websites that are appearing now are in fact creations of public relations firms.
02:22:46.000In fact, back when Michael Moore's movie, Fahrenheit 9-1-1, came out, There was a blog that came out and basically tried to orchestrate a campaign to terrorize theaters into not showing the movie, and it turned out that the entire blog was manufactured and created by a public relations firm that worked for the Republican Party.
02:23:07.000So there's a new term of craft out on the Internet, and that is the flog.
02:23:11.000Which is a phony blog, which means a blog that's set up that pretends to be being run by a few private citizens, but is in actuality connected with either a government agency or a public relations firm that is being paid money to put a blog out there that supports their client's agenda.
02:23:27.000I mean, I've had stalkers that openly told me they were being paid, and that if I paid them more than they were being paid, which is us at all, pay in lead, that they'd leave me alone.
02:23:36.000And I've been told by some websites out there, and I've tracked them back and found out that they are paid for by public relations firms.
02:23:43.000It's a very common practice, and they're attempting to dilute the message, but it's really not working.
02:23:51.000Yeah, and that's a really good thing, because the skeptical people are going to be afraid And people are learning not to trust the talking heads.
02:23:59.000They're learning not to trust the really good-looking suit or the really cute-looking girl.
02:24:03.000They're learning to look at the facts and rely on their own brains to figure out what's going on.
02:24:08.000And people who are thinking for themselves cannot be misled.
02:24:11.000They can be fooled back and forth in a couple of directions, but they can't be steered and misled.
02:24:16.000Well, once you're skeptical and really researching, you just get smarter and smarter.
02:24:25.000I mean, they've already lost their monopoly.
02:24:26.000I'd say the alternative media has got about 30%.
02:24:29.000Well, I think they're already starting to do that, and this is a really old trick that has been used before called poisoning the well.
02:24:35.000Here's when we've got 75%, and that's what they're already trending right now.
02:24:39.000I mean, if the alternative media takes over, which it's going to do, what are they going to do?
02:24:44.000Well, I think they're already starting to do that, and this is a really old trick that has been used before called poisoning the well.
02:24:51.000They're attempting to plant things on the blogs that are false so that they can later on point to them and embarrass them.
02:24:59.000And, of course, a very good example that's happening right now is this claim about the Pentagon and the jet plane and what it was that actually hit the Pentagon because there have been a lot of these public relations-sponsored blogs that are attempting to push the idea that whatever hit the Pentagon, it wasn't the passenger jet.
02:25:16.000And a lot of evidence has been cooked up that tries to suggest this.
02:25:20.000But the bottom line is, if you really think about it, there's two things to keep in mind.
02:25:25.000And the first is, If you have hijacked a plane to pretend to crash it into the Pentagon, and you have to get rid of that plane and the passengers anyway, why not go ahead and crash that jet into the Pentagon?
02:25:36.000What's the motive for coming up with some other kind of a swindle to that?
02:25:40.000Second of all, hundreds of witnesses saw that jet flying towards the Pentagon, and with 9-11 and the World Trade Center being hit, everybody was watching for passenger planes.
02:25:50.000Hundreds of people saw that plane flying towards the Pentagon, not one person reported seeing it fly away, Where did it go?
02:25:58.000These two questions basically establish what happened at the Pentagon, and the whole point of all of this other discussion is to try and make the whole questioning of the 9-11 story look like it's silly and kooky.
02:26:24.000Three years ago, or two years ago, I had a guest on talking about the Pentagon, where we're just investigating all avenues.
02:26:30.000But, I have also been criticized Well, we've got a break, we'll be right back, and after this break we'll come back and cover it more, but there's just so many facets to all of this.
02:26:43.000Then I end up getting criticized because I won't say that I know what happened at the Pentagon, I won't basically accept all of the pods, and there was no plane, it's almost like Absolutely.
02:26:56.000and the reason it's not in my films, not in my books, is because I said, look, I'm sticking with what I know I can prove.
02:27:04.000I've got the owner of the World Trade Center saying they blew it up.
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02:27:54.000What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George?
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02:31:56.000We're talking to Michael Rivera, who's really been fighting hard for this country and just has a great track record and is one of the good guys out there in this fight.
02:32:04.000Michael Rivera, let's talk about 9-11 a little bit.
02:32:07.000I mean, now it is becoming widely accepted by a majority of Americans that the government was involved, is covering up.
02:32:17.000Globally, the numbers are even better on that.
02:32:19.000Do you think that'll stop the Globalists from carrying out other big events?
02:32:23.000And after you answer that question, tell us what you think the top two or three things are, the top two or three smoking guns, proving 9-11 was an inside job.
02:32:34.000Well, unfortunately, in answer to your first question, we're already seeing the neocons and the war hawks Attempting to play the same game with Iran that they did with Iraq.
02:32:46.000They're telling the same lies, they're using the same tactics, even in the face of increasing polls saying that they are not being believed.
02:32:54.000And this basically says they're going to keep on doing the same games over and over again until somebody makes them stop.
02:33:01.000And that means they're confident they're probably going to blow something up.
02:33:04.000Yeah, and right now there was a memo circulating around Washington a couple of weeks ago Basically laying flat out in black and white that a new terrorist attack would be a really wonderful thing because it would put George Bush back up in the polls, it would show and give him a chance to prove that he's a leader in a time of crisis, that it would certainly help Republican fortunes going into the 2006 election.
02:33:26.000He could land on an aircraft carrier again and be worshipped as our leader!
02:33:30.000Yes, he could do that all over again, or at least that's what the memo was saying.
02:33:36.000I personally see that there's a tremendous disconnect happening within the White House between what they think America is thinking and what's really going on.
02:33:43.000Part of it, of course, is an artifact of all the bias that's built into the polling situations right now, and we know from... But we know their think tanks are telling them they're losing because we get fragments of those.
02:34:03.000I mean, Michael, you know there's an elite behind Bush, but I would agree with you that the intel we're getting is accurate.
02:34:08.000He is even shutting off their orders now, so are they afraid to flush him, thinking he's too dangerous, or what's happening?
02:34:14.000Well, basically what's going on is there are blockades to communication, and given the fact that they are playing the same games again in front of a very, very skeptical, questionable population, I think they're out of touch with what's really going on.
02:34:29.000Because if they can convince themselves, if they're running the country on wishful thinking rather than reality, and they convince themselves that a new terror attack is going to help them, then yes, they are going to go ahead and try that again.
02:34:39.000Well, look, I mean, I've interviewed Ron Paul for ten years, even before he was back in Congress, and he's never talked like he's talking.
02:34:47.000He's saying world government, martial law, gun confiscation, foreign troops, concentration camps, because that's the evidence.
02:34:53.000I mean, he's talking more radical than I am, and a lot of other prominent people.
02:34:57.000Paul Craig Roberts is now going, okay, 9-11 inside job.
02:35:01.000He wouldn't say that three months ago.
02:35:02.000It seems like everybody really sees that we're on the razor's edge.
02:35:06.000Yeah, they really do, but the point I'm making is I don't think the people calling the shots inside the Bush administration or his backers are that much in touch with what's going on.
02:35:16.000I think they're getting reports that are filtered.
02:35:18.000From their subordinates who are right now scared to tell them bad news.
02:35:25.000I mean, we knew this two years ago from WhatReallyHappened.com, but I mean, now it's even New York Daily News, which O'Reilly's calling evil propaganda when it's run by his boss, Murdoch, which is funny.
02:35:37.000But even in there, Bush is flipping out, screaming at 17-year-old staffers, having frothing fits.
02:36:16.000That's part of it, to bring more of a sense of immediacy to the West Coast, where there's a lot of political opposition.
02:36:22.000In fact, if you're going to push me for a prediction, I would almost say to look at the Golden Gate Bridge, because that is such an icon of America.
02:36:30.000As much if not more so than the World Trade Towers.
02:36:33.000Just because of the psychological value of it.
02:36:36.000And it's getting to be a very old bridge and San Francisco is already in a bridge replacement mode with the Bay Bridge that are replacing that right now.
02:36:43.000And they like to do things that are win-win.
02:36:44.000They do tend to blow up things that have problems.
02:37:01.000I've said Golden Gate, though, as soon as Silverstein bought the Sears Tower, it's over for that building, folks.
02:37:06.000And of course, we suddenly heard it was under terror threat.
02:37:10.000But going back to the Golden Gate, we're going to go to your calls in a minute, folks, I promise.
02:37:15.000Well, I think a lot of it is trial balloons.
02:37:18.000I think they put these warnings out in the newspapers about anthrax or terror or al-Qaeda, and they're trying to see what they can get traction with.
02:37:23.000And right now, they're not getting any traction.
02:37:25.000talking about what geniuses they were, why they were able to predict what was going to be hit.
02:37:29.000Well, I think a lot of it is trial balloons.
02:37:31.000I think they put these warnings out in the newspapers about anthrax or terror or al-Qaeda, and they're trying to see what they can get traction with.
02:37:38.000And right now they're not getting any traction.
02:37:40.000So all of these advance warnings are really test to say, oh, will the people get excited about this if it really happens?
02:38:29.000We're tired of looking at the faces that get waved at us all the time.
02:38:33.000And everybody is very, very much thinking that it's all a great big hoax and sham anyway.
02:38:38.000And of course, this gets us back to 9-11 and the second part of your question about why there are reasons to think the government was complicit.
02:38:45.000And I'm going to give you really just the one that does it for me, and this is the one that, if I'm in a debate with somebody and I ask this question, this is the one they can't answer.
02:38:54.000And this is the one that makes everybody say, hmm, boy, you've got something there.
02:38:58.000We've all seen in Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9-1-1, Where George Bush is sitting at Booker Elementary School and Andy Card comes in and whispers to him that the second tower has been hit by an airplane in New York.
02:39:10.000And Bush just sits there and sits there and sits there and reads about goats waiting for his speech to happen.
02:39:16.000Now Bush's supporters have tried to explain that very strange behavior away by saying, well, he didn't want to upset the kids and so forth and so on.
02:39:24.000But the real issue is the United States Secret Service, which has one job and one job only, and that is to protect the President.
02:40:42.000It absolutely is, and he actually repeated that claim twice, that he saw the first impact happen on TV, which of course was impossible because the video of the first impact, which was caught by accident by some documentary filmmakers, the French, the Godet brothers, didn't even surface until like the next day.
02:41:00.000So yeah, that was definitely something he couldn't have been saying.
02:41:03.000But for me, the thing that makes it obvious Bush was part of this whole mess, of 9-11 was him just sitting there and the Secret Service letting him sit there.
02:41:12.000Obviously from their actions, they knew that he was safe, that he was not in any danger from an airplane coming in.
02:41:18.000Okay, let me just say this before we go to these calls, and we're going to them here in just a moment.
02:41:21.000We're talking to Michael Rivero, the founder and the main contributor there, WhatReallyHappened.com.
02:41:34.000I want to get back to 9-11 and orthodoxy.
02:41:38.000I never tried to claim that I was the first person to talk about 9-11, even though I talked about it two months before, and then the day of the event, and got kicked off radio stations, and had people threatening me, and everything else.
02:41:48.000You know, in the beginning, a patriot is a scarce man, hated and feared, but in time when his cause succeeds, the timid join him, because then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
02:41:56.000You were one of the very first to do that, you know, to go public, and I commend you, because I was watching what you did, Mike.
02:42:02.000I've seen a lot of other people, though, who are Johnny-come-latelys who then try to set the parameters of the debate.
02:42:09.000And any of those people that want to criticize you for exercising your opinion that the Pentagon wasn't by a plane, you know, they shouldn't get so upset then because they have their view that people like you are bad because you say that.
02:43:12.000It's like they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything that they can use to basically delay the formation of a public consensus as to what really happened.
02:43:22.000Pardon the shameless plug right there.
02:43:24.000And again, these are tactics that intelligence agencies have been using since the height of the Cold War.
02:43:29.000And I actually think that that has been their biggest mistake, because a lot of these agencies are trying to play the information game by the rules that worked back in the days of broadcast media and published newspapers.
02:43:43.000They have not really adapted to the realities of the Internet and its interactivity and its distributed authorship.
02:43:50.000And that's why I think they're not succeeding.
02:43:53.000Well, I mean, if they had a hundred million disinfo people on the web, they could, but they can't counter hundreds of millions of people on the web.
02:44:20.000What I have to say is not to do with... It's okay, go ahead sir.
02:44:25.000It's to do with the parallels of what is happening here in Europe and what is happening there in the United States.
02:44:33.000Well that's why you know it's the same social engineers above these puppets of Blair and Bush because it's even the same programs with the same names, the exact same operation.
02:44:58.000The program preceding yours, Derry Brown, we had a guest that we're talking about people coming in from Mexico and they just found out that the states of the United States are now going to be turned into regions And that is what has happened already here in Britain.
02:45:24.000And then they give the governmental power to the regional bureaucrat who isn't even elected.
02:45:33.000Michael Rivero, you want to comment on this?
02:45:36.000Yeah, we have been seeing that for quite some time.
02:45:39.000From the federal level, the country's actually broken up into just ten regions, which correspond to the first digit of the zip code.
02:45:46.000And so this has actually been underway for quite some time.
02:45:49.000When this country was started, the states were supposed to have all the power and the federal bureaucracy existed only to handle national defense and arbitrate disputes.
02:45:58.000But clearly we have seen a trend where the power is centralized in Washington, D.C.
02:46:03.000And the state governors and state legislatures are almost becoming vestigial and symbolic.
02:46:08.000And they're fools because even of their power-mad nut cases, they should still not, with a one-time vote because a lobbyist gave them a donation, go pass a law in the legislature irreparably, irrevocably, giving over their authority to some unelected board.
02:46:25.000Absolutely, but unfortunately Congress has been continually giving away their own power through the years.
02:46:30.000Which has allowed the presidency to gain these almost, pardon the word, dictatorial powers.
02:46:35.000But I agree with you that we've seen an acceleration of the looting.
02:47:09.000They're talking about the draft because the reason why the draft is basically being secretive because they're saying that it might be that Congress is going to basically protect the rich if the draft ever comes back because there's going to be plenty of scapegoats to protect the rich.
02:47:23.000Well, it's not going to be 50-50 even.
02:47:31.000Because basically, you know, I live in New York and I got a home in Puerto Rico, I'm saying.
02:47:35.000And also, here in Puerto Rico, there's been instances where... I saw your video, Beyond Treason, and also, by the way, I saw the pictures of the video on your website.
02:47:43.000And that's a wake-up call video we showed to a class, actually, here in Puerto Rico.
02:47:48.000A lot of Puerto Rican brothers here in the island.
02:47:50.000They've used a lot of that down there on that island.
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02:53:37.000Yeah, I talked to you before and you said we had to talk about, you know, for longer, maybe 10 minutes, but I know we won't get that chance today.
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02:54:38.000You do have to call earlier so maybe we can talk more.
02:54:40.000I'm sorry to all the callers, but Michael Rivero, yeah, Brzezinski, even before the Soviets invaded, founded Al-Qaeda to get them to attack the Soviets to elicit their response.