On today's show, host Alex Jones is joined by journalist Wayne Madsen to discuss the massive amount of information being collected by the U.S. government and the cover-up that has been going on for over a decade.
00:00:30.000And of course the parallel would be I've got a burning fever for liberty and freedom, and decency and honor and fighting corruption and not being a slave.
00:00:39.000But I should be at the Hacienda in bed today, you know, so I can get over this.
00:00:45.000But watching Bush in his radio address, which is also an excuse to have a televised speech, Which he never does, but he did do a few days ago.
00:00:57.000And then watching his speech last night, and then watching part of the press conference today, I just had to come in.
00:01:04.000And so we're here, it is Monday, the 19th day of December 2005, and I'm your host Alex Jones.
00:01:14.000We're going to be live here for the next three hours.
00:01:16.000Wayne Madsen, who worked at the National Security Agency, His reporting has been just extremely accurate and real insight and great connections in the government.
00:01:29.000and he'll come on and tell you really about government spying and how long it's been going on and not this ridiculous propaganda that we've been hearing from Alberto Gonzalez and Bush and the rest of that gaggle of crooks.
00:01:43.000So I want to go over the three different speeches he's given in the last three days, one of them just ending an hour ago or so, and how he says it will save our lives and Then he says the Patriot Act is the same as what we have with medical records and with laws with criminals.
00:02:23.000And there are lots of things the government's been doing that are totally unconstitutional and criminal.
00:02:27.000That's like saying one arm's already been chopped off, so let's chop off the other two legs on the other arm.
00:02:31.000You know, since one's already been hacked off.
00:02:35.000But there's a lot of stuff in the Patriot Act that was not already on the books.
00:02:41.000I mean, the government's done lots of things that aren't constitutional or totally un-American, but that doesn't legitimize the latest salvos in this fight.
00:02:49.000But it is a lie to say that the Patriot Act is the same as the past outrageous and the past abominations to our Bill of Rights and Constitution and our way of life.
00:03:00.000And I'm sorry, for somebody who researches this and really studies it, it's just almost comical how... it's just all lies.
00:03:10.000Total and complete lies from start to finish, up one side and down the other, and people in intelligence agencies who are in counter-terrorism are Counterintelligence.
00:03:23.000They'll tell you that they get so into it, the wheels within wheels, and the smoke screens, and the different operations, that a lot of times they start thinking, you know, everything is a conspiracy.
00:04:10.000And I'll give you time frames and what I think is going to happen on the other side.
00:04:14.000Clearly, clearly we are headed for the rocks in a big, big way, and hopefully what we're about to do when we get back will change that in some way.
00:04:24.000So stay with us, and we do have Wayne Madsen joining us in the third hour, and we're working on some other interesting guests today as well.
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00:05:02.000Hey folks, Alex Jones here, announcing the release of my most comprehensive documentary exposing the New World Order's orchestration of the September 11th attacks yet.
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00:08:54.000As one lady in England said to us, she thought the police shooting an unarmed man who walked into the train reading a newspaper, she said giving up liberty would give her freedom.
00:09:12.000But let me just, on the record today, try to calmly go over what's really happening right now.
00:09:20.000Number one, we have Bush Running around telling us that the terrorists are going to get us if we don't reauthorize the USA Patriot Act.
00:09:32.000And, out of the different scenarios that I saw developing three years ago, when the reauthorization of the Patriot Act began to heat up, because even then they were trying to expand it and pass Patriot Act II, remember?
00:09:51.000Well, they had already implemented Patriot Act 2 despite the fact they never even passed it.
00:09:57.000They're doing everything that's in Patriot Act 2 without even having a law and Bush just claims he can do it through executive fiat.
00:10:05.000So understand, they were doing everything they're doing in the Patriot Act long before they ever passed the Patriot Act.
00:10:13.000And they've been doing everything that's in Patriot Act 2 since they signed Patriot Act 1 on the record.
00:10:20.000So all of this talk about how if it expires they're not going to be able to keep us safe and the terrorists are going to get us is just a political football.
00:10:30.000Now remember that Bush has been running around telling us that all he wants to do is keep us safe.
00:10:51.000And so we've got to reauthorize this Patriot Act.
00:10:54.000He's going to be able to keep us safe from evil Al-Cieda.
00:11:02.000So that's an important thing to just keep in mind.
00:11:05.000That by it's very nature is terrorism.
00:11:08.000Terrorism in the encyclopedia, terrorism in the dictionary, It has several different definitions, but they're basically all the same thing, and it is to threaten force or use force to coerce a civilian population or a government into accepting your aims.
00:11:27.000And so three years ago, one of many times he did this, when the Vice President, Dick Cheney, got up on Meet the Press and said, if you continue to investigate 9-11 and our supposed failure, you're ensuring Al-Qaeda will strike and it's going to be nuclear.
00:11:44.000So shut up, stop investigating us, or Al-Qaeda will strike.
00:11:49.000We've heard this over and over and over again.
00:11:52.000If you question anything they do or anything they say, the terrorists are going to get you.
00:11:56.000That, by its very nature, is terrorism.
00:11:59.000Then you look at who's behind the terrorism, and in case after case, time after time, it is criminal elements inside the military-industrial complex, bought and paid for by the big global central banks that openly run our country and 90 plus percent of the world.
00:12:16.000And any nation that they don't like, whether they're good, bad, or indifferent, I'm not defending those nations, Has one thing in common.
00:12:46.000It's meant to make the globalists over a trillion dollars in the next five years at least.
00:12:52.000Already made them, what, 400 billion over there?
00:12:54.000Weapon sales, contractions in oil, and it's about being able to neutralize political dissent here in the United States.
00:13:06.000And if I seem a little slow today, folks, I've got a fever and I'm sick right now.
00:13:09.000I just came in today because there's so much to talk about and I feel a little bit dumbfounded with this pressure in my head, but I'm telling you.
00:13:18.000I'm just telling you that so people say I sound a little bit different today.
00:13:22.000You won't think I've been drinking Budweiser.
00:13:25.000But at the same time, please don't call in with all the cures, and please don't call in and tell me hang in there, and please don't call in and tell me what a great job I'm doing.
00:14:15.000You've got to grovel and tell them how great they are for a minute and a half before they even get you on the air.
00:14:20.000Then once you get on air, you've got to tell them what a great job they're doing and how brave they are and how smart they are.
00:14:27.000And then you get on and into your issues.
00:14:30.000And if you call in with a real point to make, they'll never let you on.
00:14:34.000And so you have to lie and act like a neocon or act like a stupid liberal to be able to get on.
00:14:40.000And so that's just the situation we're facing.
00:14:41.000So please don't ever compare me to those other shows or those other ones where they all fakely thank you for your call and tell you how great you are every call, even if it's not a good call.
00:15:37.000We're having a classical police state being set up that should scare everybody.
00:15:43.000And I just think about all the sycophants and people out there who have trained themselves Over the years, how to basically make excuses for all the corruption that's going on and decide somehow that it's all good.
00:16:05.000I mean, if you think the National Security Agency and the Pentagon spying on people is what America's all about, then okay.
00:16:14.000If you want to swallow that poison pill with the sugar coating of, it's to keep you safe from Al-Qaeda, which is Al-C-I-A-Da, So be it.
00:16:22.000And if you really want to believe that the spying began after 9-11, you've got another thing coming.
00:16:27.000That spying was going on every time the NSA or Defense Intelligence actually found out something was going on, they threatened to arrest the FBI or military people who were trying to stop Al-Qaeda because Al-Qaeda, we've conclusively proved, were U.S.
00:16:41.000government agents taking part in live-action drills.
00:17:31.000She calls the toy manufacturer, she calls the news, the Associated Press calls and finds out that the Magic Cube, the knockoff of the Rubik's Cube, has been sold for what, four years before she got the visit in 2003.
00:17:44.000And we had her on the air and we read the AP report.
00:17:47.000Now that literally is about one out of several hundred.
00:18:31.000I've read the red book before I use it as toilet paper.
00:18:34.000Oh, that'll get me banned in those Chinese classrooms they're listening right now.
00:18:38.000But a senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago after he requested a copy of Mount St. Tongue's tome on communism called The Little Red Book.
00:18:53.000Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glenn Williams and Robert Portbride, said the student had told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth Interlibrary Loan Program.
00:19:06.000The student who is completing a research paper on communism, Professor Port Brad's class on fascism and totalitarianism.
00:19:13.000Imagine you're taking a class on fascism and totalitarianism and you check out... I mean, I read Mein Kampf.
00:19:21.000I remember when I bought Mein Kampf for like $12 or something back when I was in college.
00:19:29.000I was visiting my cousin down in San Antonio and I went to the B. Dalton books I walked up and I had this big orange Mein Kampf, my struggle, and the guy freaked out behind the counter.
00:19:43.000He thought he had a Nazi on his hands.
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00:23:07.000Being in government means never having to say you're sorry.
00:23:10.000What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George?
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00:24:49.000Imagine you're taking a political science class on fascism and totalitarianism, and they told the students, it's here in the article, I'm going to get some of these professors on, to go get those books.
00:25:05.000And so it says, although the Standard Times knows the name of the student, he is not coming forward because he fears repercussions.
00:25:11.000Should his name become public, he has not spoken to the Standard Times.
00:25:47.000They visited a whole bunch of people that have checked out pretty innocuous stuff at the library.
00:25:53.000That's why there's so many wrinkles to this.
00:25:57.000I know that Bush is on television talking about spying on you for your own good and That they're in the newspaper every week admitting that they go look at what you read the library.
00:26:09.000All of this is done to create a chilling effect.
00:26:12.000All of this is done to normalize absolute despotism in an Orwellian police state and then to equate it with keeping you safe.
00:26:23.000I mean I listened to Bush's press conference this morning while I was getting ready for the radio show and it was just He probably said, I mean, count it up for yourself, in an hour press conference, he had to say, keep you safe, Al Qaeda is very dangerous, keep you safe, keep you safe, we're in danger, keep you safe, I want to protect you, I care about you, oh I think about you.
00:26:50.000He must have said that, he must have said, keep you safe, keep us safe, 60 times, probably more than that.
00:26:58.000I mean, he can give a ten-minute speech and it'll have the word liberty and freedom thirty-something times and terrorist fifty times.
00:27:06.000Remember in my film, Marshall Law, I took clips of Bush and a few other speeches where they say, terrorists, terrorists, terrorists, terrorists, terrorists, terrorists, we're in danger, terrorists.
00:27:14.000And people would email me and say, did you repeat any of those?
00:27:16.000Because it looked like you didn't repeat any of them.
00:27:19.000No, no, no, we had like... I took two days of the convention and took every time they said terrorist, every time they said danger, and it was over a half hour.
00:27:28.000We just put three minutes of it in there, so no, it's the opposite.
00:27:31.000We didn't repeat any of what they said.
00:27:34.000We actually didn't put everything Giuliani said.
00:27:37.000The only speech we got close to showing every time they said terrorist was Giuliani.
00:27:43.000And we still didn't show all of what he said.
00:27:46.000I mean, it would have been 30 minutes plus of the film, just terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist.
00:27:51.000I mean, in one speech, they'd say terrorist 50-something times.
00:27:56.000She's just drilling it into your head.
00:28:00.000You are in danger if you do not let us run your life.
00:28:06.000And then I just want to point out that every time the NSA or Defense Intelligence did get on the heels of one of the terrorists, they were told to back off.
00:28:14.000Now that's on record, because this was part of a quote, government operation.
00:28:19.000And I also want to point out what came out last week, what we told you about years ago.
00:28:23.000I mean, I don't have to tell you about it, about some news article.
00:29:03.000They put in their own information and we write articles.
00:29:05.000If not, I'm going to have to write a big article about this.
00:29:10.000The headline would be, They've always spied on us.
00:29:16.000And the sub-headline would be... Environmental groups, Second Amendment groups, property rights groups, you've all had the Pentagon spy on you.
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00:33:32.000You know, we go out on the AM and FM dial, global, shortwave, and the satellite, but also the Internet.
00:33:38.000We have Internet listeners all over the world, and one of the main servers that the Genesis Network streams on has been overtaxed and overloaded because of the tens of thousands of people per hour trying to hit it.
00:33:50.000So, I have added three separate streams.
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00:34:05.000And those are on Infowars.com right now.
00:34:08.000And I get your emails, hundreds of them every day.
00:34:11.000Hey, your Internet's cutting in and out.
00:34:13.000Well, folks, we've, since last week, have provided you with huge backup streams.
00:34:21.000And then the network this week is adding a whole other server on top of it with even more streams.
00:34:26.000So basically, if you go to InfoWars.com, there are the network streams, but then there are all of my own streams that I'm paying for, that I'm supplying.
00:34:35.000Because, you know, we will not be stopped here.
00:34:38.000And it's a good problem to have, more and more people wanting to come and overloading us.
00:34:42.000So if you go to InfoWars.com right now, The original streams up there at the top have been replaced with my streams.
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00:34:57.000And there are a lot of other streams out there on the web that feed off of us.
00:35:01.000The problem is they've been feeding off the network.
00:35:18.000But during my show, because of the phenomenal listenership, It's been laboring and sputtering and I'd say we're down about 20 minutes every three hours.
00:35:57.000And we're going to keep those streams up after the network even puts up more streams, which will be in the next few days.
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00:36:20.000I'm honored and blessed that so many of you want to listen to the show.
00:36:23.000You know, routinely, out of 3,500 networks and radio shows around the country, our streams, my streams, are number one on Shoutcast.
00:36:32.000I mean, let's say the network's got five streams.
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00:36:47.000In fact, one of our streams is almost always number one by itself, but now we're adding all these other streams.
00:36:52.000I think I've said that about 14 times, but last week I reported to everyone that I had put up my own streams, and most of you didn't use them for some reason.
00:37:00.000You were accustomed to using the stream you had been using.
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00:37:33.000All right, look, I know we've got calls rolling in here, and we will get to your calls, Jason in Phoenix and Eric in California and many others.
00:37:40.000The toll-free number to join us is 800-259-9231.
00:37:42.000But I need to play some clips of the lies that have been...
00:37:49.000Vomited forth by these big government anti-gun, anti-constitution promoting pimps that have fooled the general public into believing they're conservative.
00:37:59.000By the way, the Democrats are working with them hungrily.
00:38:29.000You go ahead and beat the Patriot Act.
00:38:32.000And then when something happens, it's going to be your fault.
00:38:35.000You see, why do they need that to happen?
00:38:37.000Because if the globalists carry out another terror attack right now, People say, hey, you have these powers, and it caused an attack to take place.
00:38:46.000And then their argument will be, yeah, see, we need even more power.
00:38:50.000Which, that'll probably still work for them.
00:38:52.000But what will really work is that for a few months they can say, oh we don't have this power, oh we're blind, there's nothing we can do, and then the city gets hit by a nuke, by an A-bomb, or then the deadly biological gets released and Rumsfeld, don't worry we'll have the cure for you at $500 per pill of course and no one will put two and two together, just like with the anthrax, publicly sent by the White House, now that's official, so let's just ignore it.
00:39:25.000You see, the economy's in trouble, all this stuff's happening, this New World Order agenda is almost complete, but right here at the end, they're getting a lot of resistance from all over the planet.
00:39:34.000They need to really bully us into submission.
00:39:37.000And so, I see them letting this Patriot Act fail, because the Senate is always more evil than the House, always more conniving, always more political, more controlled by the globalists.
00:39:49.000And so the House of Representatives, right now, they passed it, no problem.
00:39:54.000The Senate has passed it before and sent it back down to conference, but it's failed in the House.
00:39:58.000Now, magically, it passes in the House, but it can't pass in the Senate.
00:40:03.000And that wasn't just in a filibuster, that was in a vote, and it'd be easy to say, oh, that was our phone calls, our phone calls caused that to happen.
00:40:10.000No, I see right through this ruse, you're not going to fool me.
00:40:17.000and right on time somebody leaks that Bush is spying on you.
00:40:22.000But it's a limited leak about spying on international phone calls.
00:40:27.000There were best-selling books off declassified NSA documents written in the mid-90s where they admit that millions of us a day have roving NSA keyword software listening.
00:40:42.000See, ooh, the New York Times broke it, Newsweek broke it, the Washington Post has broke it, that there's a thing called the NSA, the National Security Agency, and they listened to some people because Bush wanted to stop terrorists because he really cared about you.
00:40:59.000And then see, he gets to then go out and grandstand and, oh, he's in trouble, he's down, but oh, he did it to keep us safe!
00:41:07.000Oh, well, I guess the NSA spying on me is okay if it's to stop Al Qaeda.
00:41:11.000That's because they're getting ready to use it publicly on a daily basis.
00:41:15.000Now they've got to announce their use of it.
00:41:21.000And it's Bush's job, it's Clinton's job, it's Hillary's job, it's Ronald Reagan's job to come out and get blamed, and take the heat, and fall on their swords, and then, like a phoenix, the New World Order media regenerates them the next day, and oh, they did it for your own good.
00:41:39.000You know, they have the big dove, Colin Powell, he's against the war, but on the day of the war, actually I'm for the war, I was wrong, I've seen... Oh, he's the guy who was against it, we can believe him!
00:41:50.000And then now he's back defending Bush over the weekend.
00:41:53.000Oh, we really thought the intelligence was real, it wasn't, but we thought it was, and Saddam was still a threat, so see, even the guy that blew the whistle, he still agrees with Bush.
00:42:02.000You see, they create these false debates, they're using psychology, con man Psychology on you.
00:42:15.000They know there has to be a theater, a synthesis, a gladiatorial event to divert you and to distract you and to make you think that there's some type of division of power up there.
00:42:26.000To make you think there's a revolution going on so you won't get involved in a real revolution to bring America back from the brink.
00:42:37.000Gonzales saying that he's doing this to keep us safe and that it just signals intelligence.
00:42:43.000There has never been a bar on the National Security Agency, or what I call the echelon group, which is England, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, those five countries.
00:42:57.000spying on what happens is the US spies on England, New Zealand, Australia, Canada for them and they all spy on us and we have officers on loan in their echelon offices listening to our phone calls.
00:44:29.000And it's these five countries teamed up together, that are really owned by Europe, and they use us as their little bullies to go around spying and attacking and killing everybody.
00:44:43.000And now the Globalists went and they cooked up a bunch of Arab terrorists.
00:44:46.000Brzezinski even brags about it back in the 70s.
00:44:49.000And then now they get to use them for whatever operation they want.
00:44:54.000And we sit here at the point of the sword.
00:44:58.000Let's go ahead and play Alberto Gonzalez on MSNBC.
00:46:02.000Everything you do, when they go interrogate your kid, Because his high school class is taking photos of architecture for their photography class.
00:46:13.000And the FBI knows why they're doing that.
00:46:16.000But when they give them an order nationwide to go harass high schoolers and college students, it's to set the precedent that these agents go around questioning people.
00:46:26.000Because if you can go question a toy store owner over a Rubik's Cube, Then you can question them over anything!
00:46:33.000If you can go arrest people at a topless bar over a $4,000 payoff to get zoning for more parking spaces, then baby, you can use the Patriot Act on anything!
00:46:51.000Does the President have to avoid the normal process of obtaining court-approved search warrants before eavesdropping is conducted?
00:46:59.000Katie, we believe the President has inherent authority as Commander-in-Chief under the Constitution to engage in signal intelligence of our enemy, but we also believe that the President has the authority under the Authorization of the U.S.
00:47:13.000Military Force, which was passed by the Congress just days after the attacks of 9-11.
00:47:19.000The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act does require a court order to engage in the kind of electronic surveillance the President talked about on Saturday, except as otherwise authorized by statute.
00:47:29.000We believe that authorization to use military force constitutes that statute which does give permission for the President of the United States to engage in this kind of very limited, targeted, electronic surveillance against our enemies.
00:47:41.000Well apparently some members of Congress disagree with you because there's been an outcry even in the President's own party about this.
00:47:49.000Republican Senator Lindsey Graham and Senator Arlen Specter are calling for hearings on this.
00:47:54.000Meanwhile, Democratic Senator Russell Feingold, we'll hear from him momentarily this morning.
00:48:06.000They're on Infowars.com right now, where he actually says Bush is the source of all law, where he actually says that Bush is the law, and that if they can kill people, torture them to death, and just don't call it torture, it's okay.
00:48:25.000Where he describes pulling fingernails out.
00:48:27.000Where he describes tabling, sticking your head in the bucket.
00:48:31.000All of this, just Joseph Mingelis, you know, the Nazis folks would not put stuff down on paper.
00:48:38.000They were smart enough not to do that.
00:48:53.000They've doubled the size of the BATF, and man, I've actually been called a liberal because I've actually heard neocons call in and go, maybe we should have some gun control.
00:49:01.000You see, if they say it's conservative, it is!
00:49:05.000This guy's a member of MECHA, a Mexican supremacist group.
00:49:24.000And now the neocons will get up and go, well, I don't like spying on the American people, but I tell ya, I tell ya, 3,000 people died and I just can't, you're gonna hear this all day, all week, I just, we just gotta save those, some kids died in those buildings.
00:50:00.000They have tried to create the cadres that will follow the orders to confiscate our guns.
00:50:05.000I've been to the urban warfare training drills, where they're training to take your guns.
00:50:13.000And listen, they're not going to start you off with the military's training to take your guns and break your family up and put you in forced labor camps.
00:50:22.000They're not going to start you out with that.
00:50:24.000They're going to start you out with this, oh, we need the Patriot Act to keep you safe, oh, we need the Army to watch you, we need the Army to come out to your local Greenpeace rally, we need the Army to come out to your local land rights group, conservative-liberal.
00:50:37.000Well, it's okay, they spy on both parties.
00:50:41.000Well, we're authorized by this War Powers.
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00:54:22.000And he said last time he was on that when he was there in the 80s and early 90s, If he would have seen the type of stuff our government's doing, he would have thought a fifth column had taken it over, and was trying to destroy it, and trying to make us look bad, and trying to loot the economy.
00:54:38.000Do you understand that George Bush has spent more money than all other presidents combined?
00:57:47.000I mean, and then out in the open every day I've got them going to people that check out books at libraries, people that are selling toys, people, topless bars, pot dealers.
00:57:58.000Homeless people sleeping on the side of the road.
01:00:02.000I mean, this whole thing has been steaming deep for the last 15 years, and I saw it coming.
01:00:06.000And when I discovered you, it was like, wow, finally somebody who's out there saying it.
01:00:15.000My question is, what are the people going to do when they finally get the guns out of our hands and the military troops patrol the streets and you have to go through daily checkpoints to get from A to B?
01:00:50.000Most of these cowards are going to hooray for it.
01:00:54.000Most of this scum, look, most of this scum would let them take their own children!
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01:06:01.000What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George?
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01:08:08.000I have friends and family that are involved in this that go in and suppress the price of gold.
01:08:13.000They'll sell it to each other at reduced prices when the companies are owned by the same people to create the illusion of a lower price.
01:08:21.000And they did this to try to monopolize the gold fields, to drive out the gold manufacturers, the gold producers, the gold miners, the big companies out of business.
01:08:30.000They did that, then bought up a lot of them, but now they can't stop the Chinese, they can't stop the Dinar, they can't stop the Arabs trying to move to it.
01:08:38.000They can't stop Russia and others moving into it.
01:08:42.000Gold starts hitting $5.45, $5.50 in Asia.
01:08:46.000It's gone down to $5.15 or so right now, but that's still a doubling at $5.15 what it was three years ago when I started moving more into gold because of the advice of Mr. Murphy and others.
01:08:57.000And so even if you don't own gold or hold gold, and we're going to play this TV clip here a little bit later, it's important that you listen to this to understand how the economy is controlled.
01:09:08.000And we have details of what Mr. Murphy's talking about up on Infowars.com.
01:09:11.000And yes, I know we have loaded phones.
01:09:13.000We're going to get to Eric and Emmett and Eric and many others.
01:09:16.000Any issue you want to talk about, it's all tied into this, because it's the same crowd controlling this that controls our fiat money supply.
01:09:23.000And if you thought green spam was bad, inflating the currency by 40 plus percent in the last decade, and now it's been devalued by 45 percent, plunging again last week, get ready for Mr. Helicopter, who says he will totally unleash the printing presses.
01:09:39.000And folks, they'll cut your taxes by 8 percent, but they'll devalue your money by 45 percent.
01:09:44.000So it's all smoke and mirrors, and joining us is Bill Murphy, and he heads up the Gold Antitrust Action Committee.
01:09:52.000Mr. Murphy, good to have you on with us.
01:09:56.000I tell you, I mean, The stock market is, even though they keep taking things out of the Dow and the Nasdaq, it's way down in the last five years, and gold has doubled in the last five years, and you just went off sound economic advice.
01:10:13.000Tell us a little bit about yourself and your movement, your lawsuits.
01:10:16.000And then please get into who we're facing, what they're up to, how the scam works, and then give us your short-term and long-term prognosis for the local economy and the global economy.
01:10:30.000I'll do a little bit at a time as best I can, thank you.
01:10:34.000The Golanite Trust Action Committee was formed by myself and Chris Powell, the editor of the Journal-Inquirer, a daily newspaper in Manchester, Connecticut, in January 1999.
01:10:43.000Because they realized the gold market was being artificially suppressed by a gold cartel, which consisted of bullion banks like Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, the Fed, the Exchange Stabilization Fund, the Bank for International Settlements, and so on.
01:10:58.000And they were keeping the price way below where it should have been if we were allowed to trade freely.
01:11:03.000And they did this by surreptitiously taking central bank gold, giving it to the bullion dealers, who added supply to the market, they would sell it into the markets, And that supply met the demand at the time.
01:11:16.000It kept the price lower than where it should have been.
01:11:18.000And, for example, right now it probably should be about $950 an ounce, and we're on our way there.
01:11:25.000Well, people will say that the central banks have 32,000 tons of gold, but because of what they've done in a nefarious way, they have less than half of that.
01:11:35.000They probably only have 12,000 tons left, and since the demand is 1,500 tons a year more than supply, and mine supply is only 2,500 tons of going down, they're running out.
01:11:45.000Well, they're doing what the Rothschilds first learned how to do 400, 300 years ago in Germany, is that gold receipts, notes, originally, folks, were just a note that a certain amount of gold was at this local goldsmith's bank.
01:12:01.000And that's why you get the last name Goldsmith or Goldmunds.
01:12:06.000It means somebody who kept gold in a safe and then gave you script.
01:12:09.000Well, they learned how to give out 10, 15, 20, 30 times the actual script versus real gold they had in their banks.
01:12:16.000They were able to buy real assets with that and get real assets as long as you didn't catch on to their scam.
01:12:22.000I remember right before 9-11, it was emerging that just the gold reserves there in New York at the World Trade Center complex banks, Federal Reserve Systems, had been covertly shipped out.
01:12:33.000Well, in essence, that's what's happened.
01:12:35.000And what I say is, what God has learned, and we predicted this four and a half years ago, that about this time, they would run out, because they're hitting the wall with the available gold in the central bank.
01:13:09.000And yet the price of gold has rallied sharply this year.
01:13:15.000And what's really changed, Mr. Murphy, is it's not just you saying it now, all these big mainline experts are saying, look at all the other commodities dropping, why is gold so bullish?
01:13:27.000It's really quite simple, as I mentioned earlier.
01:13:29.000It's because the bad guys, these bums, this gold cartel, that have rigged the price for years at the detriment of a lot of people, and that's a whole other story, they're just running out of supply to keep it, and it's unraveling.
01:13:41.000In other words, it's like It's, it's, it's, this whole scheme is just falling apart, and while they can win a battle, like they just did taking gold from 540 back to 500, they're losing the war.
01:13:52.000And it's only a matter of time before the physical market, the buyers you mentioned earlier, we know the Japanese Central Bank is buying, the Chinese, the Russians, the Indians, Hey, I'm buying when it's high.
01:14:56.000Your people can do a Google search on them, let you know what kind of big time guy he is.
01:15:00.000Andre Bykov, BYKOV. - No, I'm looking at it.
01:15:04.000I'm seeing news articles talking about it, yeah. - Well, and it was a year after a guy named Oleg Mogokov, the deputy chairman of the Russian Central Bank, said at a London Bullion Dealer Conference in Moscow, he talked about what we had to say and said if it weren't for the suppression, in essence, if gold were to have kept price with inflation, it would have in essence, if gold were to have kept price with inflation, it would have been 740 And that was over a year ago.
01:15:27.000So he mentions us, we can't get anyone in the West to translate his speech.
01:15:32.000The only thing he said in English was GATTA.
01:15:35.000Then a year later, Putin's economic advisor shows up, the gold price is $4.36, That was on August 8th tonight.
01:16:04.000And so, the irony is that people in the West are still asleep.
01:16:10.000Well, I mean, the media told us that Enron would be great, and these idiots go and buy it.
01:16:15.000I mean, they tell them aspartame and mercury is nutritious for you, so they go out and they take the shots and drink the Diet Coke.
01:16:22.000I mean, you just can't help these people.
01:16:23.000Well, you know, it's interesting that people say, well, geez, you've been talking about this for seven years, why wasn't it uncovered?
01:16:28.000If it was such a big conspiracy or this kind of thing, it would be uncovered.
01:16:31.000Well, first of all, it's more like a price-fixing scheme, which the Attorney General and the Samsung case recently, which are facing criminal charges, Well, I mean, the central bankers have always tried to suppress real commodities like gold because they want to continue to have people have faith in their fiat currencies.
01:16:48.000Well, I mean, the central bankers have always tried to suppress real commodities like gold because they want to continue to have people have faith in their fiat currencies.
01:16:59.000I mean, it goes back to the 1933 confiscation.
01:17:27.000It is so exciting what's happening here, and if you're listening, just to do their homework, go back to our Gold Rush 21, which we just did the DVD, which has never been done before, the Gold Conference, be out in about another month, is that what's happening is the world is understanding what God knows has been saying, and now the word is out.
01:17:45.000If the Russians know what we know, the other people know, and they're buying up the gold because they know the central banks are running out of us.
01:17:52.000Quite frankly, doesn't buying gold hurt the New World Order?
01:17:59.000Doesn't it hurt these big central bankers if we accelerate this?
01:18:02.000Well, in essence, you're exactly right, because what it does is, when the gold price goes to $3,000 an ounce, it puts money and wealth into the hands of the average person, instead of what they're doing.
01:18:13.000It takes the power of the fiat currency away.
01:18:29.000I mean, once people know what God knows, which is happening now, which is why the gold price is going up, the only way that that will be stopped is when the price gets high enough, the peasants of the world that bought in 250 will go to their local dealer and sell them for a thousand bucks, and that will add supply.
01:18:45.000So you'll get sticker shock as we go up along the way.
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01:22:53.000All right, we're talking to the founder and the president of an organization that is just doing a lot of great work in exposing these controllers.
01:23:07.000And every facet of our lives is controlled by the big central banks.
01:23:10.000Private banking families, in the last hundred years in the US, and the last 300 in Europe, went and paid off royalty, hook or crook, I mean this is mainstream history, to get the private issuance of the paper currencies.
01:23:23.000Then they used that paper currency to buy up gold.
01:23:26.000But then as people began to figure out that gold was better than their fiat currency, which can be devalued, they started waging war against gold.
01:23:34.000And the best parallel of this, I would say, would be the De Beers owned by the Oppenheimers.
01:23:39.000Whereas diamonds are semi-precious, and there's so many of them, they have to have a monopoly to jack up their price, gold actually is precious and is getting harder to get and harder to extract, but they have artificially driven it down.
01:23:54.000And they're trying to create a monopoly over gold by bankrupting the miners.
01:24:00.000Would you agree with that, Bill Murphy?
01:24:03.000Well, the irony is, it's a little complicated, but in a way, I'll say bankrupt, but they made it so difficult that even at $500 gold, many people aren't making that much money.
01:24:15.000The cost over the years has just skyrocketed.
01:24:19.000It's hard to the mind go just... Some of them are going bankrupt because they can't make any money at these prices.
01:24:26.000And what happened was, because they kept the price artificially low for so long, That exploration practically stopped.
01:24:33.000There was no point in finding gold if you can't make any money when you find it in the ground.
01:24:36.000So, we're, mind you, probably 2,500 times a year it's going to go down for years and years to come, no matter what the price does.
01:24:55.000Well, one of our guys, Reg House, who the whole cartel and Boston Federal Court and the judge He dismissed the case in the most unusual manner.
01:25:07.000He didn't say one thing that Reg Howe said was wrong, accusing all these people of the manipulation.
01:25:13.000He just said he didn't believe that Reg had the right legal standing, and that's the reason he was dismissing the case, that a gold company should bring a suit against these people.
01:25:21.000So what happened was, two years later, Blanchard Coin in New Orleans sued JPMorgan Chase and Barrick Gold.
01:25:28.000New Orleans Federal Court, and the case was ongoing when Katrina hit, and it almost wiped the company out, so they settled the case out of court about three weeks ago.
01:25:40.000That's right, we now had a case settled concerning price fixing.
01:25:45.000What was interesting, the judge allowed it to go to discovery.
01:25:49.000In other words, the judge in no way said it was a frivolous suit.
01:25:56.000Well, that's amazing, but they didn't want it to go to discovery.
01:26:00.000It got there, and it was settled out of court, and they can't discuss it, but in the case itself, Barrick Gold used an excuse that they were operating on behalf of the central banks.
01:26:12.000So the heck, he admitted what God has said in their defense and said, you can't sue us because we're operating on behalf of the government.
01:26:26.000Well, you know, this is what we've learned, that basically, you know, the Germans and the English United States government have been doing what they can to suppress the prices.
01:26:35.000People say, well, why would they want to do that?
01:26:37.000Why would they want to hurt their own asset?
01:26:54.000I said, would someone please tell me, you heard about the strong dollar policy.
01:26:58.000What did the United States do to affect this policy?
01:27:00.000To have a policy, you need to do something.
01:27:03.000So, what we realized, what they did was, the rigging of the gold price was to enhance the dollar and to keep interest rates lower than they would have and so on.
01:27:14.000Now, we know that was the policy then.
01:27:15.000About three and a half years ago, they shifted and said, we don't care if the dollar is strong.
01:27:21.000But they've continued to try to suppress the price of gold.
01:27:24.000Meanwhile, letting the dollar drop from 30 cents, $1.30 versus the euro, now down to 90 cents versus $1.30 something with the euro.
01:27:40.000What do you think their real policy is, or are they losing control?
01:27:43.000Well, even in the past years, you always have Secretary Snowe coming out saying that, you know, we still have a strong dollar policy, and as you say, the dollar's gotten weaker than it was, yet in this past year, it's gone up from 81 of its low, that it went to, back up to 90.
01:28:00.000So it's actually been very firm this year, after being very weak for years.
01:28:05.000If we have free markets, the dollar should just be what the market bears, and all they do is give us rhetoric for Wall Street, the entire Wall Street, as I talk about it, and there's not much they can do about it.
01:28:15.000When it comes to gold, it's real simple.
01:28:18.000The demand is so much greater than the available supply, the price has to rise substantially to bring the market into equilibrium.
01:28:26.000Well, I want to talk about what they might try to do to continue to suppress it and what you see happening in the future.
01:28:31.000Em will take calls on a whole bunch of different issues, but it all ties back into economics with our guest on the other side.
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01:32:08.000Pentagon spying on the American people has nothing to do with terrorism.
01:32:12.000Most of it's economic, spying on their competitors, stealing patent secrets, stealing other goodies, and then giving them to their companies that are allied with these crooks.
01:32:23.000So we'll talk about all that with an expert in the next hour and get into Bush and his unbelievably deceptive speeches he and Gonzalez have been going over and some clips of Gonzalez and Bush as well.
01:32:35.000I'm going to have time to talk to Eric Emmett, Eric, Paul and Eddie.
01:32:42.000Five calls I'll take in this hour and I'm going to go to you quickly.
01:32:45.000And we'll try to get to those calls in the UK, because I know those are on their own dime, and I appreciate everybody holding.
01:32:51.000Before I go back to my guest, he's going to get into how they engineered driving gold prices down in Tokyo from almost $5.50 is what I saw, down to about $5.15.
01:33:01.000But even at $5.15, it's a doubling in gold prices in the last three years, and how they do this.
01:33:08.000I mean, they've been caught doing this.
01:33:12.000And we'll also get into what Mr. Murphy sees happening in the future.
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01:37:16.000One of my colleagues, Frank Veneroso, who's been an advisor to many governments, finance ministers, and so on, I came to the conference we had that got an African Gold Summit in Durban, South Africa, May 10, 2001.
01:37:30.000And he presented a paper there that the central banks would start running out of gold about this time.
01:37:35.000So, really, he did it, and I just echoed it publicly, and that's where we are today, and this is the beginning of the move, which is going to go on for many years.
01:37:44.000Recently, the price got up to $540, and it went back down to $500.
01:37:47.000It actually got down to $499 in Tokyo overnight, briefly.
01:37:52.000What happened was, and we know this for a fact, Goldman Sachs, who I've been citing as the major Hannibal Lecter, I call it, for the gold cartel for seven years, but verbally, just because of what they're doing on the floor, but in Tokyo, they report who's doing what.
01:38:10.000But they just, they were, a new member, in terms of the Tokyo Exchange, showed up, shorted 70 tons of gold near the high, and just covered it as of today.
01:38:21.000So they took I don't know if I didn't tell the exact time, but anywhere trading between...
01:38:26.000$5.25 and $5.40 they sold, they fleeced the public out them out, and they bought between $4.99 and $3.508 on the downside.
01:38:33.000So, we know this because the Tocom... So explain that to people.
01:38:36.000We have a Federal Reserve that'll dump tens of millions a day in the stock market to jack it up or drive it down, depending on what they want to do.
01:38:44.000You're saying they'll go in, these gold firms, working for the government, will go in, in the derivatives, and will actually take a hit just to drive it down.
01:38:54.000They went short, meaning they sold what they didn't own, at the top, and drove it down to $4.90 and made a fortune at the expense of the public.
01:39:02.000And if they just do it as a trade, good for them.
01:39:05.000But when you do it in collusion with the federal government, because we heard that They also had J.P.
01:39:10.000Morgan tell the United States when it's collusion.
01:39:14.000That's against, what, the recall laws?
01:39:25.000but that's they are there there is a very much a half of the government making a fortune now they covered their plan explain to a layman how that works well it's you tell something probably real simple They sell it at, say, $5.40, or say $5.30, and they buy it at $500, so they made $30.
01:39:44.000It'd be the same if they bought it at $500 and sold it at $5.30.
01:39:47.000They did that within a week's period of time!
01:39:50.000Now, if it's just a trade, God bless them!
01:39:52.000But if you're doing it with the government's blessing, and you don't have any risk, and you know that Morgan's selling here also, and you know they're going to go after the specs, And you know the other big boys they have go with them are all selling?
01:40:06.000We don't have free markets in the United States, we have rigged markets!
01:40:10.000And then they'll occasionally, they'll occasionally burn some little nobody like Martha Stewart, and then, oh look, they're dealing with corruption when she did nothing, and then huge publicly sanctioned corruption just goes on like everyday business.
01:40:24.000That is exactly right, and this is what's happened over and over again.
01:40:29.000I mean, what you have is, Enron is more typical than atypical these days, and what's happened in America.
01:40:36.000Unfortunately, it's a tragedy and it's going to hurt a lot of people.
01:42:07.000I mean, I know what we've faced, and it's unbelievable how corrupt this is, and yet when you talk about it, people look at you cross-eyed and call you a conspiracy black helicopter lunatic.
01:42:20.000Oh, I mean, to say the government never did anything wrong is insane.
01:42:24.000Everything's fine, we should all just go back to sleep.
01:42:26.000Oh, Alex, the NSA doesn't listen to the American people.
01:42:30.000When it had been declassified in the early 90s, and then now what we hear on the nightly news, the NSA's listening to us.
01:42:37.000If it gets worse, Who knows what could happen.
01:42:40.000I'll leave that to other people, but I know what I'm talking about when it comes to the gold market, and because of the colleagues I have and the sources I've developed, and we know what's going on there.
01:42:49.000I want to take some calls really, really fast here, but what do you see happening conservatively or then on the extreme side the next year?
01:42:56.000Well, within the next two years, we should see gold at $1,000, and I think within, oh, I don't know, even another three years or so, we're going to see an overshoot to 3,000 to 5,000 an ounce, and it's not so ridiculous as you might imagine, because if Goldworth's inflation adjusted the same price it was in 1980, it'd be about $1,800.
01:46:25.000Um, I heard you talking about the UN killing people just a couple of days ago, where they lived in, you know, some part of the world where there was very little population.
01:46:49.000Just calmly reported how they came in and slaughtered them.
01:46:51.000The other thing I was going to ask you about, you spoke ages ago and they have admitted it, you know, like Rumsfeld has spoken about it, when they abducted children in DynCorp.
01:48:56.000Do you want to comment on that in the last minute we've got left, Mr. Murphy?
01:48:58.000I mean, comment on the fiat nature of paper?
01:49:01.000Well, in essence, what you people are saying is correct, and all I can say is that people are going to want to hold gold and silver in the years to come, because as we get more and more trouble in the U.S., which we don't have time to get into, they're just going to print more money.
01:49:15.000Well, Mr. Murphy, I don't want to wait two years before we get you back on again.
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01:53:22.000With the Wayne Madsen Report, we're going to go to Emmett and Eric, and those have been holding the longest in that little five minute segment that's coming up before we get Wayne on.
01:53:32.000A lot of other news we haven't gotten to as well, but for the next three or four minutes here...
01:53:37.000I was thinking, hey, I've got the gold antitrust group coming on, why not have Ted Anderson in?
01:53:42.000He's got ten dollar American gold pieces, Olympic coins that are collectors, at near the price that Bullion is selling, so they're private, and they're not reported on, and they also have collector value on top of the gold value, but you're getting them at near just the gold value.
01:53:59.000I personally have bought some of these, and Ted's given them to you at the price that they were about a month ago before gold went up, even lower than the price that it's gone back down to.
01:54:08.000So, it is a great deal, and Ted, tell folks about it.
01:54:14.000First of all, there's only about 750,000 of these things that were even made that are available, and just in your town alone, there's 800,000 people.
01:54:22.000There's not enough to go around to that particular town.
01:54:25.000There are $369 apiece or $10 Olympic coins that were manufactured here in the United States in 1984.
01:54:33.000It was the first coin that the West Point Mint ever put out when they were first commissioned to be minting coins.
01:54:40.000And they are putting them out for a much higher price than this.
01:54:42.000You'd have to order them directly from the Mint.
01:54:44.000So right now, actually, you get them at a discount from what they were originally selling for.
01:59:38.000So buying collectibles, you pay a little bit more, but they've got a loophole in there.
01:59:43.000Well, I've heard that the dollar was down to $1.35, $1.25 to the euro, but I also heard that England, Germany, and France have gone to the Asian countries to get the euro higher.
01:59:59.000China moved to a basket of currencies and now they're moving more and more out of the dollar, which is just horrible news.
02:00:05.000I'm not happy about it, even though it's the globalist operation.
02:00:10.000It's all part of a larger program, but when you look at what they've done with the gold market, it's just an abomination.
02:00:21.000It's as a caller from England said, they've done it with everything.
02:00:25.000Let me explain what happened with the dollar.
02:00:28.000Three years ago, when the Euro first came out, it was about 85 cents to the dollar.
02:00:35.000Okay, so when I say a 45% reduction, it's gone from being 85 cents To being a $1.30, a $1.35, it's gone down about 5-6%, so let's say a $1.29 from a low of $1.25, $1.26.
02:01:24.000You know, in light of this Patriot Act on the skids, I would say be very afraid between now and New Year's.
02:01:31.000Well, I think they'll give it time to harp and go, you watch, they're going to get us, you took it away, it's going to be your fault, and then see, it's all our fault on the terrorist strike.
02:01:45.000Because these, in the immortal words of The British PM, I can't remember his name, George Galloway, said these monkeys are capable of anything.
02:02:25.000I just read the synopsis of the report on cbsnews.com, and yeah.
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02:06:21.000I'm going to get that book in our bookstore when he comes out with it.
02:07:41.000He's done more spinning in the past week than he's done in about three years.
02:07:45.000So I think the message is getting out, and I think a lot of these politicians are getting a lot of questions and a lot of very furrowed brows from people.
02:07:52.000And one last thing, Alex, before I go.
02:07:55.000My new selectman, the old one who wanted to combine the police and the National Guard, got defeated for the last election.
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02:08:22.000I hope Bush is giving three mindless speeches because he is in trouble.
02:08:26.000But I'm telling you, The globalists can't carry out another attack because people will say, oh, you screwed up.
02:08:32.000But if they can act like we defeated the Patriot Act, and then harp on how we tied their hands, they can get a lot of gas mileage out of it.
02:08:39.000We've already stopped them carrying out other attacks.
02:09:51.000And what we got out of this was the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which limited what NSA could do and set up this Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that said that NSA could only eavesdrop on U.S.
02:10:04.000companies, individuals, green card holders living in the United States.
02:10:09.000They could only do that if there was a court order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
02:10:14.000What Bush has done with this administration by FIAT is he's just ignored the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
02:10:22.000He said, I don't need the court, I don't need the law.
02:10:25.000And he said, anybody that wants it just fills out their own national security letter.
02:10:29.000In my opinion also, I think the reason this was leaked by senior people at the NSA is Is that they know it was illegal and they don't want to go back to those bad old days and um...
02:10:43.000I read your reporting, and it's heads above so many other people that just don't know.
02:10:47.000I mean, I read them like, yeah, this guy's right on.
02:10:49.000Just from my experience dealing with these people.
02:10:52.000I mean, look, ten years ago, I'd be at a Second Amendment rally and have guys on a roof in camo taking photos of me.
02:10:58.000So all this stuff about the military takes photos of us and is watching us, that's never stopped since Vietnam.
02:11:04.000Quite frankly, I think it's increased.
02:11:06.000What I know about NSA and people that have been in it, By the way, folks, who can't even come on air, is that when they want to go public with something they've gotten, something they've sucked up, then they have to go through and create basically a new investigation and try to stick it in that envelope.
02:11:23.000And I'm not saying there aren't good people there at NSA, Wayne, but certainly there are compartments that you were never even connected to, and we know that there are zealots who are out there Who enjoy doing all of this.
02:11:34.000We know in 96 they put in all the NSA hubs and the whole telecommunications system.
02:11:39.000We know that all the cell phones are tracked and can be listened to.
02:11:44.000I mean, everybody's freaking out about these new revelations.
02:11:47.000My point is, is that it's just, it's been institutionalized at every level.
02:11:51.000I think the problem in NSA is that the senior management levels, the people who do the work, the analysts, linguists, the mathematicians, They know what the law is.
02:12:04.000They have an internal Bible called USID 18, United States Signals Intelligence Directive 18.
02:12:09.000It says they are not allowed to conduct surveillance of U.S.
02:12:13.000persons unless certain requirements are met.
02:12:16.000One of which is, of course, that there's been a court order, there's been authorization through the liaison with the Justice Department.
02:12:22.000But now Bush is saying he wants to prosecute whoever's leaking.
02:12:26.000Well, it's like he wanted to prosecute The person who leaked the covert name of a CIA agent, Valerie Plain Wilson, and of course he can't prosecute that person because it looks like that person was Dick Cheney, his own vice president.
02:12:40.000Well, I totally agree with you on that.
02:12:45.000Bush is up there saying the Patriot Act is good and never been used against U.S.
02:13:11.000I mean, it's, uh, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, well, I mean, after living in Washington for as long as I have, I, you know, I used to listen to speeches by Ronald Reagan.
02:13:21.000And of course, although they didn't contain much substance, at least you could, you could sit there and listen to them.
02:13:28.000I mean, but this, this guy is so vacuous and, Uh, there's just nothing there.
02:14:22.000He signs an executive order saying we all gotta paint ourselves green, Wayne, we don't have to do it.
02:14:26.000Well, that's right, and the thing with Bush, but the reason Bush got away with this, and he keeps saying, well, the Congress gave me the authorization, the Congress did this, That is a Republican Congress that gave him that authorization, and people need to understand that next November, that this Congress has become a rubber stamp, a rump organization for this administration.
02:14:48.000An independent Congress would have never given him that kind of authorization, but he can use those.
02:14:53.000He can use the Congress like the Soviet Politburo used to use these rubber stamp bodies.
02:15:01.000I mean, this was just all kinds of nonsense.
02:15:03.000Let's get something else straight here.
02:15:05.000With Abel, Danger, with Clinton and Bush, with all of it, anytime NSA or Defense Intelligence had the smoking gun, they would come back to them and say, back off.
02:15:14.000When the Defense Language School deans going, why am I training these Arabs?
02:15:34.000I mean, clearly, our government is protecting the terrorists.
02:15:38.000Not only protected them, but they basically groomed them.
02:15:41.000I go back to 1986, and I've got something on my website today showing a memo from a conservative, something called the Conservative Network, About hosting parties here in Washington for international freedom fighters that included not only the Nicaraguan Contras and the Southeast Asian Guerrillas, but the Afghan Mujahideen.
02:16:05.000And they were at the time tied in and linked up with the Saudis who were funding Osama Bin Laden and all his confederates.
02:16:14.000And that Mujahideen, one of their veterans is now the U.S.
02:16:17.000Ambassador to Iraq, coincidentally, Zalmay Khalilzad.
02:16:22.000So, yeah, not only... I mean, you can trace this support for these people back to the 1980s, and the guy that was supporting that network was a guy named Jack Abramoff.
02:17:00.000What about, you know, there's the Israeli art students who are really Israeli intelligence agents that were living in the same neighborhoods, drinking in the same bars, running videos from the same video rental stores.
02:17:10.000Handling the FBI operatives in the houses!
02:17:13.000That's right and the people like John O'Neill who were trying to track this down were stymied at every turn.
02:17:20.000I've also been informed of other FBI agents who were trying to go after these so-called Israeli art students and these so-called movers and they were stopped.
02:17:29.000The orders came from John Ashcroft and Mueller himself.
02:17:39.000I want to come back and get more into all this spying with your NSA background.
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02:20:54.000What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George?
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02:21:52.000But here's Gonzales on national television, on NBC, and he's just... Now listen to what he says.
02:22:00.000The President has this executive power.
02:22:03.000No, the President doesn't have the power to violate the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
02:22:07.000This is the same guy, the same Attorney General who said, Bush, we're allowed to torture people until they die if we just don't call it torture.
02:22:13.000That's like saying you can drink 14 vodkas and go down the road drunk and run over a little kid, you know, jump the curb and run over some kid on his bike and when the kid's all splattered and dead and the cops get there and go, well I don't call this vodka, I call it water!
02:22:27.000So let's go ahead and play this buffoon.
02:22:30.000Does the president have to avoid the normal process of obtaining court-approved search warrants before eavesdropping is conducted?
02:22:38.000Katie, we believe the President has inherent authority as Commander-in-Chief under the Constitution to engage in signal intelligence of our enemy, but we also believe that the President has the authority under the Authorization of the U.S.
02:22:51.000Military Force, which was passed by the Congress Uh, just days after the attacks of 9-11.
02:22:57.000The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act does require a court order to engage in the kind of electronic surveillance the President talked about on Saturday, except as otherwise authorized by statute.
02:23:08.000We believe that authorization to use military force constitutes that statute, which does give permission for the President of the United States to engage in this kind of very limited, targeted Electronic surveillance against our enemies.
02:23:20.000Well, apparently some members of Congress disagree with you because there's been an outcry.
02:23:43.000Well, I mean, when he says this surveillance was limited, actually, Gonzales doesn't know what he's talking about, because the nature of modern telecommunications is that when you attempt to target one individual, you're picking up an awful lot of other communications as well.
02:24:05.000And this is fishnet intelligence gathering.
02:24:09.000And furthermore... They admit what it does.
02:24:17.000People in the NSA have told me that they call some operations training exercises because they don't have to keep logbooks.
02:24:22.000They don't have to have any... They're supposed to get rid of all that information afterwards, but they're not doing it and this is a way to get around.
02:24:31.000uh... the foreign intelligence surveillance act uh... used to date team and all the other uh... control that were put in place they just call the training exercise uh... they they they the uh... intelligence the intercepts go to uh... like cheney's officer or bush or the g o p operative and there's no record at n s a held on those operations and i will not report here and it says n s a intercepts for bolton were masked as training exercises this guy wouldn't lie about the uh...
02:24:59.000Yellow Cake Uranium, well it turns out they're out snooping around with the NSA there.
02:25:05.000Oh yeah, well they were also eavesdropping on, Bolton was using the NSA to eavesdrop on his own boss, Colin Powell, who had conversations with Governor Bill Richardson in New Mexico.
02:25:19.000So this, if they're saying that Richardson and Powell are members of Al Qaeda, that's That's interesting to me.
02:25:26.000I just wonder when Richardson and Powell are going to be picked up and sent to Guantanamo to be tortured.
02:25:52.000And we hear about them going into peace groups, conservative groups.
02:25:55.000You know, the Army surveilling local student groups that don't want them recruiting in their public schools, so the Army starts watching them.
02:26:03.000I mean, this was all going on before 9-11.
02:26:05.000Now it's gotten worse, but then Bush gets on TV and says, everything's fine.
02:26:17.000I started seeing it at these anti-World Bank demonstrations where clearly people in uniform were taking photographs of the people who had legal permits to demonstrate against the World Bank meetings.
02:26:30.000So this is nothing new, but you're right, it's getting much worse.
02:26:34.000I think we're turning into sort of like East Germany was with the Stasi, when we know from the East German files that 25% of the population of East Germany were informants and spying on their neighbors and even members of their own family.
02:26:49.000Wayne, I didn't believe it five years ago, three years ago, two years ago when I hear about Primakov being hired as a consultant or this guy or that guy, but then I did confirm our government has hired these guys as consultants.
02:27:00.000Then they said, oh, but it's for overseas.
02:27:02.000But then I learned they've been hired domestically.
02:27:04.000I mean, this is like a Twilight Zone episode.
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02:31:14.000Gonzales, and I'm a member of a Mexican supremacist organization.
02:31:19.000Again, it is a Twilight Zone life, but if you want to see the troops training to take your guns, the troops training to confiscate your firearms and break your families up, and these programs haven't gone away under Bush, they've expanded.
02:31:31.000I mean, I wouldn't cover this under Bill Clinton.
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02:34:06.000Going back to Wayne Madsen, Wayne, I was talking to you during the break, of course you formerly worked there with the NSA, about what you thought was most important, and you mentioned a few of those.
02:34:16.000You mentioned the 10,000 enemies list.
02:34:20.000We have the no-fly list now of hundreds of thousands, and now we're going to have a criminal list.
02:34:26.000Well, it's being reported, and I heard this before, that the White House has an enemies list.
02:34:32.000Now, Nixon had one, but he But he never really went after anybody on it, except for maybe a few people, but it certainly wasn't in excess of probably a hundred or so people.
02:34:47.000And this list is said to contain the names of 10,000 people, including uh... joe wilson his wife michael moore uh...
02:34:55.000you know all the usual stuff what do you want to bet we're on it you know i i told somebody uh...
02:35:00.000in in d_c_ i think you know i'd be i'd be really upset and disappointed if i didn't make that list and he he smiled and he said i can assure you you're in the top five hundred but anyway uh... uh...
02:35:14.000yeah i mean that so this that the problem is where they get the information to populate this database Apparently this was started by Rove when he was in Texas politics, but now it's been added to by FBI agents using these national security letters to go get information from Phone companies, credit card companies.
02:35:32.000And of course these FBI files are famous for being full of complete baloney.
02:35:36.000Oh absolutely, because it's raw information and people when they're confronted by one of these agents tend to freeze up and say things that may or may not be true or at least exaggerate.
02:35:50.000It's like what happened during the McCarthy era.
02:35:52.000So yeah, this is the nature of this beast.
02:35:57.000But I do know that people in the Pentagon and in the NSA and in the CIA, the ones that do the work, not the high up
02:36:07.000Um, the political types, uh, are getting very concerned about what's happened, because understand that they grew up in the environment of post-Watergate, with all the controls and restraints that were put on these agencies, and they knew they could go to jail if they violated these laws, and now they see this administration... Well, they've also got to be looking, uh, because it's one thing to be dumbed-down American six-pack, you know, Sally Soccer Mom, wants to be stupid.
02:36:30.000And even a lot of people who've been neoconnish, who I've talked to in government, are now actually getting to see what the final plan is.
02:37:06.000And then we see how people retaliated against, like this NSA analyst who had been a White House Secret Service agent who protected, was willing to take a bullet for Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, went to the NSA, and then he's been set up in this phony, he took two boxes and then he's been set up in this phony, he took two boxes of classified material home in broad daylight out of the most heavily guarded complex in the world, the National Security Agency at
02:37:35.000The reason he did this to him is that he authored an intelligence report that said there were no WMDs in Iraq.
02:37:42.000His name was on it when it reached um...
02:37:45.000and that that that that the cheney's office and you know that cheney is starting to look more like doctor evil in this whole thing well but what about the army colonel who was in military intelligence who saw clearly that they have been blocked from stopping alciata and so he releases this and uh...
02:38:04.000now they go well you had sixty five dollars in phone calls on your government phone to your wife and we're going to charge you with theft and actually Yeah, Colonel Tony Schaffer is the one you're mentioning, and look, these people are starting to organize.
02:38:19.000I mean, don't they know they're in danger of backfiring with their own government minions when they start persecuting innocent people?
02:38:26.000Colonel Tony Schaefer is the one you're mentioning.
02:38:30.000And look, these people are starting to organize.
02:38:33.000They're organizing the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition.
02:38:37.000And they're putting all their notes together, and there's going to be heck to pay for the Bush administration next year when these people start to show up at these political campaign rallies and talk about how they were fighting the war on terrorism and what happened to them when they refused to lie for this administration.
02:38:58.000And I think it's going to be devastating.
02:39:01.000Well, that is the news that the White House, that the Vice President's Office with Puder Libby, that, and that's what his nickname for him, they all have a feces name, that's how sick he is, that Puder Libby, that they have to manufacture it themselves.
02:39:41.000This was obviously an attempt to get classified information to the Philippine opposition so they could use it in a attempted coup against the democratically elected president of that country because she pulled these slave-wage Philippine workers out of Iraq that were being hired by a Halliburton subcontractor that, of course, Cheney has a vested financial interest with.
02:40:04.000Well, speaking of the Philippines, something I never talk about, it was in their big major papers, what, three years ago, that their own military took over at a shopping mall, didn't hurt anybody, and just said, look, we've been ordered to cover up terror attacks and these Muslim terrorists are really CIA.
02:40:23.000I mean, just to get the word out, you know, like a movie.
02:40:27.000I mean, That's how obvious this is, Wayne.
02:40:30.000Well, yeah, and you know, the whole false flag operations, what they call these, you know, I still have a lot of questions about the arson in France, the London Underground attacks, the bombings there.
02:40:45.000Um, there are people who engage in these false flag activities.
02:40:50.000Well, I mean, they'll get something started.
02:40:52.000Well, I mean, we caught British intelligence.
02:40:54.000I mean, that's what SAS is, Special Air Service.
02:40:56.000Dressed up like arrows, running around shooting people with bombs.
02:41:22.000I mean, and then we've got these private military contractors in Iraq that are ex-mercenaries from South Africa.
02:41:29.000Uh... Pinochet's people in Chile, Contra's out of Nicaragua.
02:41:33.000Iraq is now... They talk about all the jihadists going into Iraq, but the United States has engineered...
02:41:38.000The worst filth in the world are now working in Iraq, supposedly for this Iraqi puppet regime.
02:41:45.000Well, we've gone from one Iraqi puppet regime, where Christians and Jews were left alone, to one where they're going to have the jihadist Shiites running the entire country.
02:42:40.000I mean, it looks to me like what I'm getting is that they're going to let the Patriot Act expire.
02:42:45.000We're going to have a government terror attack, false flag attack, and then they're going to say, see, it's you guys, you peaceniks, you caused the terrorists to attack, and I've heard Michael Savage saying this, and then we're going to be arrested because we aided the terrorists getting the law changed, and in Australia they're trying to pass a law that would criticize the military and its actions, you get seven years in prison.
02:43:08.000I mean, I really see them going to that, because if they carry out an attack now, people will say, oh look, you couldn't protect us, but if they quote, lose the Patriot Act, then they'll have Well look, I don't put anything past these people.
02:43:20.000Any administration who would out not only a covert CIA agent, but her entire network that was trying to stop the flow of of WMDs, and including an attempt to salt VX nerve gas into Iraq from U.S.-controlled Kurdistan before the war, definitely tells me that that's how far they would go.
02:44:20.000You've got to understand And I hope the American people understand, there is still an enemy that would like to strike the United States of America.
02:44:32.000And, uh, you know, the discussion about how we try to find them will enable them to adjust.
02:44:46.000Now, I can understand you asking these questions, and if I were you, I'd be asking me these questions, too.
02:44:53.000But it is a shameful act by somebody who has got secrets of the United States government and feels like they need to disclose them publicly.
02:45:03.000Okay, let's just stop right there and let's just think about what we just heard.
02:45:07.000This is the individual that said he wasn't looking for Bin Laden, didn't want him.
02:45:10.000Buzzy Krongaard, number three at CIA, said we don't want him.
02:45:15.000Anytime special forces have cornered a real Taliban or Al Qaeda, they're told to back off.
02:45:19.000When they capture them, top generals fly in and order them released, because they're government ops, folks.
02:45:35.000And everything he said, if you apply that to the people who lead...
02:45:38.000Valerie Plain Wilson and her Brewster Jennings network, if you had substituted that in there, he should have fired Dick Cheney, Karl Rove should be in prison, Scooter Libby should be in prison, all these others, John Bolton who were Involved in all this traffic and this intelligence?
02:45:58.000Yeah, as if Al-Qaeda, if it really existed outside of the military-industrial complex backroom creations of the seventies and eighties, as if they don't know that phones aren't listened to.
02:46:08.000They're not naive like the general American public.
02:46:10.000Well, let me tell you, Bin Laden was talking on his satellite phone up until 1996, and I'll tell you why he stopped, because the Chechen president, Dzhokhar Dudayev, was hit by a missile while he was on his satellite phone to Moscow.
02:46:25.000That is all Bin Laden had to see, and he went dark.
02:46:52.000And this is what they, the so-called Al-Qaeda, I mean, I'm not sure they were using official channels to communicate courtesy of I'm afraid the next one's going to be this biological thing.
02:47:07.000I think, you know, we hear Bush talking about bird flu all the time.
02:47:09.000or do you think they're going to be backed off?
02:47:11.000I'm afraid the next one's going to be this biological thing.
02:47:14.000I think we hear Bush talking about bird flu all the time.
02:47:18.000Of course, here's a person with a bird brain talking about avian flu.
02:47:23.000But see, this will give them a chance to do the quarantine and the martial law and close the borders, and that's what I'm...
02:47:49.000I think these people are fanatics and are radicals and I'm not sure they really... I mean, look, Hitler should have known about what happened with Napoleon.
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02:52:26.000We know that certain strategic elites let Bush get into power, is letting him do a lot of this.
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02:52:37.000Because I know some of the European elite, because we've had moles inside some of their meetings, are saying that the agenda is moving too fast.
02:52:46.000I mean, where do you see all this going?
02:52:48.000You see, you know, you see what like happened with Brent Scowcroft, who was put on by Bush's daddy there to keep an eye on him on the farm.
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