Alex Jones exposes the truth about Martial Law in America and how it will be implemented in the near future. The truth about martial law and martial law enforcement in America. Alex Jones explains how martial law is coming to America and why it is a good thing.
00:00:13.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:21.000A lot of times I end up missing the forest for the trees.
00:00:33.000I I was tuned into the Genesis Network yesterday listening to Jack Blood driving back to my house from the office and he was talking about, hey good things are happening.
00:00:45.000When will we ever hear mainstream media talking about King George and is he a dictator?
00:00:52.000And Bush having to get up on TV and say, I'm not a dictator.
00:00:58.000And, you know, is the glass half empty or half full?
00:01:04.000Yes, it's bad for Lord Bush, and yes, it's bad for the establishment at certain levels to have to come out and admit they're setting up martial law, and admit that our government's becoming dictatorial.
00:01:16.000But at the same time, I think that it's just a coming out.
00:01:21.000It's a mass conditioning so that we'll accept all of this.
00:01:24.000In fact, if you believe the polls, Bush has gone from around 30 percentage points up to 44 to 47, depending on which of the national polls.
00:01:35.000Now, that's because the average dumbed-down individual out there likes to hear some high and mighty person telling them how they're going to keep them safe.
00:01:45.000And I don't doubt that those polls are somewhat accurate.
00:01:50.000But regardless, we have a general population in this country that does not know the basic geography, the basic history of even their local county or city or state or nation.
00:02:04.000Who literally have no grasp of rudimentary basic principles.
00:02:10.000That low-grade morons should have no problem grasping.
00:02:13.000And I don't say that again as an elitist or as in a sardonic way.
00:02:17.000It scares the living daylights out of me.
00:02:55.000And now we've gone from the smartest 55 years ago to the dumbest in every datum you can imagine, in every strata, in every testing, every way to test.
00:03:12.000And so when Bush gets up in these three speeches in the last four days and announces that he is King Caesar, as his Attorney General has already announced he is on national television and in memos back when he was Chief Counsel to the White House, when they do this, we really can see through the glass darkly, clearly, what's happening.
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00:07:06.000Being in government means never having to say you're sorry.
00:07:09.000What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George?
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00:08:00.000The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.
00:08:06.000Because there's a war on for your mind.
00:08:10.000I've known about it for a couple of weeks and never even discussed it on air.
00:08:16.000There's so many stories that get stuck in the pile and never get covered.
00:08:21.000And that is that the Texas Supreme Court, a few weeks ago, ruled that the property tax is unconstitutional and unlawful and is an unjust usurpation.
00:08:50.000Can you imagine these people that have got $500,000 million houses?
00:08:54.000But again, side issue, that's the kind of stuff I will cover today.
00:08:59.000Glenn Spencer from AmericanPatrol.com, one of the preeminent watchdog groups out there tracking the Washington orchestrated illegal alien invasion, will join us to analyze this new bill.
00:09:14.000And they passed it last Friday in the House, and it's steaming on now to the Senate.
00:09:20.000And the bill is a total, complete blanket amnesty of all illegal aliens.
00:09:27.000For six years, it's the same old plan Bush introduced five years ago, the same one he introduced two years ago, the same one he introduced this year.
00:09:34.000And the Democrats put up a fake fight.
00:10:09.000And now because we're demanding our freedom and the blogs and the alternative media is taking over, they're talking about just outright martial law.
00:10:24.000If we stand up and say no to the government, they'll stop carrying out terror attacks and back off for a time and try to re-angle on us and get another vector through their reticle.
00:10:56.000All right, so that's the kind of news I want to get into, because I'm looking at stacks of news going back to last Thursday, and frankly, we've had so many guests on, I've probably only covered about 20% of the news that's been in my stacks, and so today I'm going to attempt to abbreviate, so we can get into more, let us abbreviate my rattling as my Dad's brother used to call it when I was a kid.
00:11:24.000I'm rattling on the radio, I'm being paid to do it.
00:11:27.000But to make a long story short, we will get into all of this, and we'll talk about the hundreds of pounds of high-grade, high-tech, explosive, missing from Mexico, and we'll get into all of it today.
00:11:42.000We also have a news clip that we're going to analyze where they tell us how wonderful the Viper teams are and how everyone loves the Viper teams.
00:11:56.000The new federal TSA forces that are going to be on the highways and the shopping malls and the bus terminals and why the local governments have asked for the Viper teams.
00:12:09.000I actually read their own press release, and I remember what local governments had to say.
00:12:15.000Even some cities said, we don't want your Viper teams.
00:12:18.000They said, if you take federal money for transportation to your buses, or your roads, or any of your transportation, your trains, we're going to demand that you assign upwards in some cities 50 police officers to be under the orders and jurisdiction of our TSA teams.
00:12:43.000So it's exactly what we read in federal plans a decade ago.
00:12:46.000You're going to have federal forces leading local auxiliary police around in their checkpoints and Nazi Germany behavior.
00:13:14.000You could tell by the way he was talking, he was going to say, but it's kind of getting dangerous.
00:13:18.000You could tell he said, everyone loves it, which is pure baloney.
00:13:21.000I guarantee you, I can go out on the street with a camera in those very same cities and ask the exact same questions, and at least half the people are going to say, I don't like it.
00:13:32.000They had a poll in New York about these goons, the first place they started this about a year ago, and people said they hated it.
00:13:39.000They had a poll, what was it, like 70-something percent of the city said, no, we don't like random bag searches and being shook down by these people on the subways.
00:13:47.000So it's just... In fact, do you have that clip right now?
00:14:21.000It's all complete bull to make you be comfortable.
00:14:24.000Oh, we're going to have new federal forces controlling our local police, and everyone loves it, and the locals love it, and the locals ask them here.
00:14:46.000What is not so easy to see is the undercover air marshal who is also here, just footsteps away, watching you, which is also part of the plan.
00:14:57.000They'll act very similarly to how they act in aviation.
00:14:59.000They will be undercover, they will not really be noticed by the public, they'll simply be observing, and if need be, they would interact with the public or break their cover if the situation arose.
00:15:08.000MARTA was the first transit authority to interface with the TSA, and the police here are way ahead of the curve in the war on terror.
00:15:15.000That's why this week they're helping the Fed's new VIPER team learn the ropes on the ground.
00:15:21.000The pilot program is basically testing their ability to respond to requests from local and state agencies, particularly transportation-related agencies like transit authorities in the case of increased threats or an actual incident.
00:15:35.000The canines are TSA certified and have been a fixture throughout the system.
00:15:39.000Now, they'll get a whole new set of eyes and ears.
00:15:43.000We also have rail inspectors who are working with MARTA to look for security vulnerabilities, address them, so that we can make the system even more secure than it is today.
00:15:51.000Passengers have no problem with the new Viper teams.
00:15:54.000In Europe, there are police everywhere on these kinds of trains.
00:15:57.000But there's also not the kind of control you have here.
00:16:00.000Up to this point, I wouldn't say I've felt unsafe.
00:16:06.000With that said, you know, how could you not feel a higher level of security?
00:16:11.000In Buckhead, Keith Witton, 11 Live News.
00:16:16.000The people just love the Viper themes!
00:16:23.000Meanwhile, the border is totally wide open and they'll tell the public, we're going to get tough and put illegal aliens in jail for years and put employers in jail for years if they hire illegal aliens.
00:16:36.000But then they simply tell the employers, oh have your illegal alien come and roll, it's total amnesty.
00:16:43.000Anybody who's here, anybody who can get here, it allows the federal Government to instruct the big companies to fill out the paperwork so that they can pay to bring, actually ship them here, the skilled and unskilled workers.
00:17:46.000It's the same feeling I get, you know, when I catch the power company ripping off, you know, the entire neighborhood, and you find out everybody got double billed, and you find out it isn't a mistake, or, you know, you find out that these big cell phone companies are always doing this.
00:18:01.000But it's an even worse feeling, because these crooks have black masks and machine guns.
00:18:10.000I'm just so, it's the same feeling when you give somebody a twenty and they try to give you a five back and they argue with you and you can tell it's a scam.
00:18:33.000I'm not going to try to preach about it all day.
00:18:35.000It's just Federal teams running around and now suddenly they're announcing San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami.
00:18:45.000Oh, we're gonna have police out at the malls and on the sides of the road and in the parks and just everywhere.
00:18:52.000We're just gonna randomly, in these big teams, these swarm teams, we're going to swarm you and check your IDs and then, when you're scared, then give you literature and say, look for terrorists.
00:19:26.000And in a bunch of these articles, it says that.
00:19:28.000We're here to fight terrorists and Crum.
00:19:31.000And then suddenly, we're just here to fight Crum.
00:19:34.000Spies to fight crime, gooning around, because there's no real terrorist on the tubes.
00:19:42.000You can bet your bottom dollar, 90% chance, guaranteed, there's a terror attack on a train, it's going to be a government operative.
00:19:50.000Or, the 10% chance, it's going to be some stupid goon, who'll have an improvised explosive and copycat it because all the media hype.
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00:25:01.000I want to get into the Commander-in-Chief situation, and then We're going to come back in the next segment and get into some of the citizen spies and then we will take your phone calls.
00:25:15.000But right now, Bush during all these speeches keeps saying, I'm allowed to spy on you, the American people.
00:25:24.000I'm allowed to do all the things we're doing.
00:25:26.000We're allowed to fly people out of the country To foreign nations for torture, because I'm the Commander-in-Chief.
00:25:33.000That's what Gonzales says in the memos.
00:25:34.000He says Bush is the Commander-in-Chief, so he is allowed to change the Constitution, do whatever he wants.
00:26:28.000Because that would let the people know that Congress was the authority.
00:26:32.000It's just like a few decades before that, in the 1940s, we had the amendment to the Constitution that took our Senators away.
00:26:42.000Did you know your state legislature, which you elected, that state rep had a lot of power, that local legislature, And that legislative individual, that representative that you elected, had a lot of power.
00:26:55.000That state assemblyman had a lot of power.
00:27:00.000Because he or she, they would all vote in a bicameral Senate-House vote at the state level, and you would pick your two Senators, generally from amongst their own ranks, and send them to be U.S.
00:27:22.000Well, then you have an even greater erosion where the executive didn't even want to be answering to the legislative, which is supposed to be the most powerful branch of government.
00:27:51.000The President shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States and of the militia of the several states when called into actual service of the United States by a declaration of war.
00:28:03.000He may require the opinion in writing of the Principal Officer in each of the Executive Departments upon any subject relating to the duties of respective offices and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States except in cases of impeachment.
00:28:21.000He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provide two-thirds of the Senators present concur, and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and the consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and councils, judges, and the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law, by the Congress,
00:28:47.000May, by law, vest the appointment of such inferior officers as they think proper in the President's alone, in the court of law, or of the heads of departments.
00:28:57.000The President shall have the power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of the next session.
00:29:13.000In earlier articles about the particular war powers and the rest of it, Bush is saying he can domestically run the country because he's Commander-in-Chief.
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00:33:27.000Coming on from American Patrol in the third hour to go over this new amnesty bill being billed, pun intended, for the public as a way to stop illegal aliens.
00:33:36.000And I guess if you legalize murder and don't call it murder anymore, call it happy, happy, joy, joy.
00:33:41.000Or, you know, call it whatever stupid name you wish.
00:33:45.000We don't have a murder problem anymore.
00:33:49.000He was happy, happy, joy, joying with that battle axe.
00:33:53.000You know, crushing that old lady's skull in.
00:33:55.000We don't have a murder problem anymore, because we just ignore it.
00:34:21.000Uh, it's just total carnage, but you see, they don't talk about it on the national news, so you tell, you even talk to that local cops, they go, I have heard about cops getting killed, yeah, I have heard it's dangerous.
00:37:35.000You hurdle down the road at 80 miles an hour with other cars all around you.
00:37:38.000You drive by carnage every day and every month you drive by dead bodies and usually don't even notice them under the, you know, under the blankets there on the side of the road with, you know, smashed into the vehicles.
00:37:50.000But you still do it because you've been driving your whole life.
00:37:52.000You're used to it and they didn't tell you to be afraid of it.
00:37:56.000Just like I see these cops hanging their hind ends out in the highway and when they're giving somebody a ticket.
00:38:02.000But they're sure scared of the general population, because they were told to be scared of us, because they were giving briefings to be scared of us, but they're not scared of hanging their hind end out on I-35, like complete nutcases, when more cops get killed every year getting run over, and in car accidents than they do getting shot by bad guys, but you're not afraid of that, because the briefing didn't tell you to be afraid of it.
00:39:22.000The list goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.
00:39:30.000Right wing, left wing, but they all wear black uniforms, they all wear black masks, they all stomp around in military insignias, they all call themselves commanders and chiefs, they all are controlled by a bunch of central banks that are bigger than any government, who are trying to weaken all governments, trying to destroy all strong countries.
00:40:04.000Watching our entire nation, all of our families and our treasure And our ideas and our culture sliding into this real world lake of fire, this tyranny is burning down our institutions, burning down our structures, smashing thousands of years of culture, dumbing us down into gibbering, chirping, monkey-like creatures.
00:40:30.000I have to watch them ripping apart mines and putting them back together.
00:40:34.000I have to watch them just destroying everything decent.
00:40:38.000I have to watch them exterminating us en masse.
00:40:41.000I have to watch them pulling all of this baloney.
00:40:44.000And then I gotta see these snickering, foolish...
00:40:47.000morons, the yuppies, the trendies, the liberals, the yippies, the hippies, the good old boys, all of you feeling so good and secure, so self-centered, you couldn't have spent five minutes to save yourself.
00:41:03.000Oh, just a note, because I keep forgetting to do this.
00:41:15.000I'm getting, I don't know, I mean some days it's got to be 50 something emails.
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00:41:31.000All I can tell you is that that's not my servers, that's the Genesis servers and they're upgrading them and fixing them sometime this century.
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00:42:41.000So, stop, please don't send me emails saying, saying, and I know new people tune in in five minutes, they won't hear the announcement, so I'll still get your email.
00:42:50.000If the Genesis screen, you know, hiccups for five minutes today, you can go to InfoWars.com and I've supplied it.
00:42:56.000And we're going to beef it up, and we've already been doing podcasting forever with our best interviews for a long time, and now we're going to add vodcasting very soon in the new year, by the middle of the next month.
00:43:06.000It's video casting to your video pods, and we're just doing so much.
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00:43:22.000On Alexa.com and other places that track that to being bigger than most major city newspapers and readership.
00:43:27.000But our other smaller sites like Infowars.net and PrisonPlanet.tv.
00:43:34.000The sheer visitors there is just explosive and staggering.
00:43:38.000So it feels so good to know that we're actually reaching people and actually getting the word out and that this message is resonating with you.
00:43:47.000And I want to thank all the listeners that have supported us.
00:43:51.000I want to thank all the listeners that have gotten the videos, and the books, and the books on tape, and the t-shirts, because all of that gets the word out.
00:43:59.000All of that communicates the message of resistance and defiance to tyranny.
00:44:03.000And everything our founding fathers, and mothers for that matter, stood up for.
00:44:07.000So you are living the second 1776, and I salute you.
00:45:26.000And it's always fun to get those presents that come two or three days after Christmas.
00:45:29.000It's like a second Christmas, and I'm committing a thought crime saying Christmas, but I'll... Christmas, Christmas, Christmas.
00:45:35.000These are the last few days where you can be able to get it to them on or around Christmas.
00:45:42.000Also, until the first of the year, we're running a PrisonPlanet.tv deal.
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00:47:29.000Okay, now, I mean, these are the type of articles, and they all sound nice and innocuous, but we've had video cameras inside these meetings, and it's in the articles.
00:47:39.000Again, I've got them from Texas, I've got them from Tennessee, I've got them from Colorado, I've got them from New York.
00:48:28.000For the first time in America, the Governor's Office of Homeland Security is training a select group of people in Knoxville on how to better track terrorist activity.
00:48:37.000Oh, kind of like you fired the head of the cable company because you said there was a New World Order?
00:49:01.000How to use a terror tracking program called the Homeland Security Information Network.
00:49:06.000It's terror training for the average citizen.
00:49:08.000Under close watch from the Department of Homeland Security, a select group of civilians, nominated by Knoxville Police, little toadies, are learning how to better track terrorist activity.
00:49:19.000Ann LaCava is one of the civilians enrolled in the training.
00:49:24.000I think the big thing is people are realizing that civilians can play a part.
00:49:29.000La Cava, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, is one of 35 civilians, not citizens, civilians, in Knoxville getting a crash course in Homeland Security Information Network.
00:49:55.000Now we have a place to take that info and of course they added the tattletale number 311 or 411 and pass it on to someone else and let them determine if it's a threat of any kind.
00:50:26.000Then a link is established with local law enforcement agencies across the United States.
00:50:30.000So just rumors are now, and they can use some little tattletales rumor to get a national alert going.
00:50:36.000They can't get fake intelligence from the NSA or the CIA or the FBI?
00:50:40.000Well, we'll just get little do-gooders to do it for us.
00:50:42.000John Sterling, another student in training, says the network is an invaluable tool in the war on terror.
00:50:49.000It does enhance our community sharing ability by putting everyone on the same proverbial sheet of music.
00:50:55.000And it goes on into it, this is so un-American, this drives a stake through our heart, you traitor!
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00:54:04.000And by trade or trash, I mean the federal government writing up these plans, Bush swearing it out of the Constitution.
00:54:12.000Most of the people joining these are just little do-gooder, well-meaning people.
00:54:17.000And they have no idea, they have no sense of history, no connection to reality, and they want to go, quote, Well, I've seen in the roleplayers with the Marines, they even have these little local tattletale roleplayers in the drills they do to help confiscate our guns.
00:55:59.000And so the very system that incorporated the federal government and the state government says that murder
00:56:05.000is illegal because uh... we fought a revolution we created a government uh... and and and our representatives of the thirteen colonies uh... went uh... to philadelphia and uh... hammered this out sir and so it is binding because we voted for it our forefathers voted for it and we have it has been our our heritage and what we do just like it's our heritage that that murder is illegal and bribery is illegal so i don't know what you're talking about well isn't every law
00:56:33.000Just some guy's opinion that's backed by a gun?
00:56:38.000Yeah, well, you can say that, but we're going to have governments, we're going to have laws, and so you can just run around.
00:56:43.000I mean, try going out and committing a murder and see what happens.
00:56:48.000So a rule of law in a republic, it's a republic, madam, if you can keep it, is better than, say, living under a king.
00:57:11.000Even right after they got the Constitution, the first act, didn't George Washington go to western Pennsylvania and attack them because they didn't want to pay that whiskey tax?
00:57:22.000So all government is violent by nature.
00:57:27.000It's easy to sit here and bad mouth everything and nothing's ever going to be perfect, but in the sum total, look, we were 4% of the population, got half the wealth, created almost all the patents.
00:57:55.000Well, what if everyone right now, everyone that's listening to you, what if you promoted everyone just to, like, take their license plate off their car?
00:58:02.000What if we all took our license... Well, I am for stuff like that.
00:58:04.000I am for, you know, one kid says no at the school to an ID card, then they all say no, that has happened.
00:58:09.000I am for things like that, but still, we are...
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00:59:17.000Well, Professor John Sterling is a political science professor, and now at a local community college, he is their Homeland Security, I guess, liaison to Homeland Security.
00:59:30.000I just had the WATE TV news piece, and it just said John Sterling and other Student in training for Homeland Security!
00:59:38.000And so, he has agreed to be with us for the balance of the hour, and to tell us about his mindset, why he got involved in this, and all over the country.
00:59:47.000This says six states, that's really not accurate.
00:59:50.000They have a Secure Corps, AmeriCorps, Citizen Corps, and they fight terrorism, quote, and crime.
00:59:56.000And they're just out there aiding the police and the Homeland Security.
01:00:01.000And so, Professor Sterling, should I call you Dr. Sterling?
01:00:08.000John, tell us how you got involved in all this, and tell us about yourself and what you do.
01:00:13.000Well, my background is law enforcement and military, and I went to law school late in life.
01:00:17.000I thought to practice law, but my mother hoped that I would take up more honest employment, so I got into academia.
01:00:24.000And part of my military and police experience was counter-terrorism, counter-intelligence.
01:00:30.000So after 9-11, it was a natural fit for me to be drawn back into that kind of service.
01:00:36.000As I said, I was a political science professor in North Carolina.
01:00:40.000About three years ago, the Governor's Office of Homeland Security in Tennessee hired me to be the regional coordinator for the eastern region of Tennessee.
01:00:50.000I was hired by a local community college in Knoxville to head up their Homeland Security program.
01:00:56.000We offer one of the first in the nation, Associates of Applied Science in Homeland Security.
01:01:02.000The training that I was at yesterday was in that capacity because as part of developing my curriculum for Homeland Security, we want to integrate, to teach students how to integrate volunteers In the overall Homeland Security Initiative.
01:01:22.000You're actually there as a cadre commander to, I guess, create larger units?
01:01:29.000Well, that's not exactly accurate, but truly this is a team of teams from the governor's office right on down.
01:01:37.000In our state, the focus on Homeland Security really is a team of teams.
01:01:41.000It involves Government and private enterprise and local citizens.
01:01:46.000The Citizens Corps that you mentioned really is made up of a lot of different segments.
01:01:51.000Volunteers and Police Service, the Citizens Emergency Response Team, the Medical Reserve Corps, and some others.
01:01:59.000So the Knoxville Police Department hosted this yesterday in conjunction with the Department of Homeland Security.
01:02:07.000The Knoxville Police Department coordinates mostly the VIPS, the Volunteers in Police Service Citizens Volunteer Group, but they coordinate also some of the others.
01:02:18.000So the volunteer coordinator for the police department, working with the Department of Homeland Security, set up this training and 40 citizens of various backgrounds came together and learned how to operate this Homeland Security Information Network.
01:02:34.000So we'll just have eyes and ears everywhere.
01:02:41.000I mean, what number is Homeland Security right now saying they want per per city your size?
01:02:45.000Well, 40 happened to be the amount of that was what the resources could handle here locally.
01:02:50.000And I don't know whether that was a number that the Knoxville Police Department is is going to cap at or whether there will be additional training scheduled.
01:02:59.000I know that as far as my college program, my curriculum program that we've designed, we're going to integrate part of what I'm trying to accomplish by offering an associate's degree is to train people how to be emergency planners. we're going to integrate part of what I'm trying to And part of developing any emergency plan of necessity requires involvement with citizens.
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01:07:22.000Told my producer to get him on here in this W-A-T-E.
01:07:25.000News piece, and I've seen these reports from all over the country, where they take the Citizen Corps, and with the kids it's called Secure Corps.
01:07:33.000We had some of the kids on a few years ago, remember, in that Philadelphia Daily News article where they do bomb clearing and warrant service.
01:07:42.000I couldn't believe they were giving kids this training.
01:07:56.000Well, there's stuff like the Alabama Defense Forces and the Texas Defense Forces, the State Guard, where, you know, they'll go into a town during, say, a bay fest in a town, a major city in Alabama, and then search everybody coming into the downtown of the city.
01:08:52.000I got out of the military with the rank of captain following Desert Storm, and we had done some intelligence counterinsurgency stuff during the mid to late 80s, particularly Central American theater.
01:09:05.000So when I went back to school late in life and got my master's and my doctorate degree, then shortly after that, 9-11 occurred.
01:09:39.000The Army euphemistically calls that low-intensity conflict, and what that really means is you send small units out into the jungle without much logistical support.
01:09:50.000So, I mean, obviously you're a patriotic fella, and so when, I guess 9-11 happened and you decided to try to get involved again, I mean, what happened?
01:09:59.000Well, it was an opportunity for me to conduct some counter-terrorism training for the state of North Carolina.
01:10:05.000I had been teaching law and political science, teaching criminal justice, criminal procedure, And there was an opportunity to travel over the eastern third of North Carolina with the Governor's Crime Commission training law enforcement in basic terrorism awareness.
01:10:20.000And so from there, then, I was recruited by the Governor's Office in Tennessee to help stand up their Office of Homeland Security about three years ago.
01:11:23.000But these are perilous times, and they require a very careful analysis of how we're going to shift with the times without compromising our fundamental liberties.
01:11:34.000Do you agree with Alberto Gonzales' memos where he says that Bush is actually Commander-in-Chief and in that position domestically, he is the law and can authorize whatever he wishes?
01:11:45.000No, if that's Alberto Gonzales' take on it, I would disagree with that as you've summarized it.
01:11:53.000Well, Ed, that's actually word for word.
01:11:55.000I've even got a clip of him on NBC saying it in different words.
01:12:00.000But no, have you heard of those torture memos?
01:12:07.000They say we can kill people, and if we don't call it torture when they die, it's not illegal.
01:12:13.000Well, the fundamental principles of the Constitution are what I have sworn to uphold and protect, and even though I'm no longer a commissioned officer, I am still loyal to that oath.
01:12:23.000I mean, I'm here reading Article 2 of the U.S.
01:12:28.000Constitution, Section 2, about the Commander-in-Chief, and it really says he's only the Commander-in-Chief when he follows the Constitution and when Congress declares war.
01:12:38.000Well, terrorism is, you know, is a... it represents a shift in the terrain, politically, philosophically, legally.
01:12:48.000And as I said, we need to be very careful that any move that we make does not divorce the constitutional principles, but yet does give government all the tools that it needs to effectively combat terrorism.
01:13:00.000And I'm glad that I'm not in a, you know, a chief policy-making position.
01:13:03.000It's a difficult razor's edge to walk sometimes.
01:13:07.000What did you think about all the latest reports of the Pentagon going around to protest and taking photos of people and wiretapping individuals?
01:13:22.000I mean, I'm trying to get the idea, you know, the view on somebody who is, as you said in the last segment, you're there basically recruiting and expanding as a leader, not just at a college with 14 classes that you're administering, but also, I mean, you're definitely a change agent.
01:13:43.000Well, in that context, I want to teach my students the process of thinking through to a conclusion.
01:13:52.000Not a knee-jerk emotional reaction, but to be firmly grounded in constitutional principles to understand what the threat is, and to be able to work through some legitimate process to maximize the ability of law enforcement to do their job.
01:14:10.000Because in these articles from Texas and Colorado and Tennessee, they talk about fighting terrorism and crime.
01:14:18.000The new TSA Viper teams are saying, we're going to fight threats, we're going to fight terror and crime.
01:14:23.000What is the mission that you're teaching these 40 volunteers, most of them already volunteers with the police department, who came to this meeting that's separate from your academic activities?
01:14:35.000Well, for most of your listeners, they probably are aware that all terrorism is crime, but all crime is not terrorism.
01:15:40.000And I'm the person that had it thrown out in those states, and I'm the person that took him up on that idea.
01:15:45.000And I believe me, I've interviewed a lot of you guys, and you're the most well-spoken person I've talked to so far.
01:15:51.000I've had people on here that say anybody disagrees with the government needs to be put in a FEMA camp, Professor.
01:15:56.000Well, we've been down that road before, and that haunts us to this day.
01:16:00.000So, as I said, this is a razor-thin edge of policy, and I'm glad that I am not at those higher levels of policy-making, you know, decision-making.
01:16:08.000But you do have an oath, and you said you swore to that oath, and so if you ever got orders that you thought were unconstitutional, you're not going to deceive yourself and play double-think?
01:16:20.000Well, I tell you, that's very encouraging.
01:16:21.000Look, I have no problem with people that are actually out looking for terrorists, but when we get into this thing of, oh, citizens need to call the police if they do see a crime taking place or think one is, but the tattletale East German system of having huge squads running around, we all know there's not going to be a terrorist event every month in Knoxville, so what are they going to be doing?
01:16:41.000I mean, they're obviously going to be, quote, fighting crime, Professor?
01:16:43.000Well, there are a lot of activities that people deem suspicious and, of course, depending on your background, your training, your awareness levels, something that one person may deem suspicious may be completely normal behavior for another one.
01:16:55.000But when people do see behavior that they deem suspicious, and we don't define that for them.
01:17:01.000I mean, we can give some guidelines, but we leave it up to people to, if it raises the hackles, the hairs on the back of your neck, then go ahead and report it.
01:17:12.000Then there are people, there's a screening process, that vetting process takes place at the local level, The volunteers that were trained yesterday, for example, are recruited, screened, administered by the Knoxville Police Department and they have, the Knoxville Police Department has the oversight over those particular, that particular group of volunteers.
01:17:31.000Well I've got a neighbor, a nice old lady who likes to constantly look through her windows at me and constantly look through the cracks in the I have no idea why, but I mean, is she going to be running around as my new commander?
01:17:43.000The local police probably have a thick dossier on you already, Alex.
01:17:50.000Well, again, we get calls from people that, frankly, are pretty loony, but there is a vetting process, you know, there's a screening process, and suspicious behavior that's deemed suspicious by the
01:18:06.000By the citizen will be reported and then if it's deemed to warrant further investigation, then it'll be handled by by local local law enforcement And if it's deemed by them to require a higher level of intervention then they'll notify the local Joint Terrorism Task Force or in Tennessee we have a We'll stay there, Professor.
01:18:29.000I want to get into, because I'm intrigued by this discussion, I want to get into how this machinery, how these mechanisms actually work, and any websites you want to give out, or any information, and then take calls.
01:18:43.000But, you know, you joke, Professor, about how there was a bit gossy on me.
01:18:46.000I'm sure our Knoxville listeners are going to infiltrate your organization now.
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01:23:01.000You know, I'm not going to stand up here like the Graham Poobah of knowing people, but I was talking to the Professor Sterling, John Sterling, during the break, and he seems really genuine.
01:23:09.000I mean, my detector for baloney didn't go off at all.
01:23:13.000And so, you know, the joke during the break we were saying is that I was saying, well, he's saying, I like being in the system because I can make sure the Constitution is being followed.
01:23:22.000And that really is one of the fail-safes we have built into this country, is that there are a lot of good people in these systems, in these mechanisms.
01:23:28.000And that was my joke about, I bet a bunch of our listeners are going to go join, keep their mouths shut, and if they really do ever see any real terrorist stuff going on, they'll call the police.
01:23:36.000But they're not going to tattle on their neighbor who they think might be dumping garbage in the local creek because that's the kind of stuff we've seen with some of these local Secure Corps, Citizen Corps groups.
01:23:48.000Because, I mean, let's face it, folks, they've got to give them something to do, and they're not going to be seeing terrorists on a daily basis.
01:23:54.000So specifically, sir, I talked to you during the break about my film, Police State 2000, which you haven't seen, but I'll send you a video of it.
01:24:17.000Well, I just know that young people, I mean, I teach in an academic environment.
01:24:22.000I get a lot of kids right out of high school, and I'm over 50 years old, so I've seen basically three generations of young people, and I'm just amazed at the young people who do not, they lack a critical thinking component, and their whole training is in sound bites and their whole training is in sound bites And so they believe what they're told.
01:24:43.000If it's on the Internet, if it's on the news, if they read it in a book, why then it must be true.
01:24:46.000So their whole perspective of what is constitutional, what is fair, what is a balance of liberty and order, they believe what they're told in public school and through their other input sources.
01:24:59.000So you talk about a balance between liberty and order.
01:25:01.000I've always found that maximum liberty brings maximum order, and that it's a fake trade-off that they've told us.
01:25:08.000I find that to be a false equation, and I think the Founding Fathers spoke eloquently through a historical lens to that point, Professor.
01:25:15.000Well, I'm not sure that I know what you're referring to, that liberty, the individual liberty, comes with a certain amount of chaos or disorganization.
01:25:26.000Uh, you know, if you think of it in a community... None of you have a self-governed people.
01:25:31.000Yes, now that we've basically turned into animals, maybe you're right.
01:25:34.000I mean, I have to, people are turning into animals.
01:25:36.000But, I don't know, in 1776, I mean, after the war, the crime rate wasn't very high compared to the rest of Europe.
01:25:43.000Well, and you make the point that self-government only works for people that are self-disciplined.
01:25:48.000If we lack self-discipline, we cannot be self-governed.
01:25:50.000And I think that's one of the great fallacies.
01:25:52.000I mean, I'm kind of falling back to my former political science days here, but that's Yeah, that's my perspective.
01:25:59.000We have to be self-disciplined if we're going to be effectively self-disciplined.
01:26:03.000But the evidence shows, Professor, no amount of force, as if the government even wants to have force to keep us all safe and happy.
01:26:09.000I mean, as you said during the break, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely, as Lord Acton said.
01:26:54.000As am I. But then I would not be... I'm not anti-Constitutional Republic.
01:27:01.000And so to that end, and this goes back to your question, I am in a position of influence.
01:27:05.000I am in a position to help young minds think, apprehend what our historical foundations represent, the principles that they represent, and to apply those principles as we work through this complicated and ever-changing terrorist threat situation.
01:27:24.000Well, you see, I think the foundation of what you're covering is flawed, and I'm going to send you some material on that.
01:27:29.000What's generating the terrorism, where it's coming from, who really stands to gain in a larger lens, Operation Northwoods, Operation Gladio, Gulf of Tonkin, USS Liberty.
01:27:39.000I mean, I've had admirals on the air who took the call from LBJ and he said, I want that GD ship going to the bottom to be blamed on Egypt.
01:27:46.000And so when you get to a certain point, when you're, you know, I mean, I understand you using the, you know, the data you have as a machine, and then spitting out the answer, that would make sense if Brzezinski and Jimmy Carter hadn't gone over and created Al-Qaeda in 1979.
01:28:11.000Well, you know, of course, The dispute is whether, you know, to the extent that we may have contributed to Al-Qaeda.
01:28:18.000I mean, certainly we use indigenous troops, indigenous resources to fight a common enemy, and that has a history of fighting us down the pike.
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01:31:51.000I know we've got Jeff in New York, Mike in Chicago, Scott in Wisconsin, Chris in Arkansas, John in New York, and many others. . Chris in Arkansas, John in New York, and many others.
01:32:10.000And I'm sure these calls will be all over the map.
01:32:11.000I try to have a question for our guests or myself about the teams they're hiring and the cadres, the local groups they're creating.
01:32:23.000But going back to the professor, John Sterling, who heads up a program that gives 14 classes at a local college there in the Knoxville area, and of course has worked inside the federal government, anti-terrorism, in the U.S.
01:32:36.000military, and also been a police officer.
01:32:38.000He's been tapped by the Governor's Office of Homeland Security, and he's training a select group of people from Knoxville on how to better track terrorist activity.
01:32:46.000With the help of the Federal Department of Homeland Security, they're teaching civilians.
01:33:12.000I mean, this is what's being discussed.
01:33:14.000Under close watch from the Department of Homeland Security, a select group of civilians, nominated by Knoxville Police, are learning how to better track terrorist activity.
01:33:21.000And then it gets into it, and there is going to be a program where these people upload to computers on a network and fill out a secure online document.
01:33:32.000Then a link is established with local and federal law enforcement.
01:33:35.000You know, Bush has not been able to have the CIA and the FBI put out fake terror alerts.
01:33:39.000They blow the whistle, they've exposed it, it's been admitted, the White House Press Secretary had to admit All right, Flasher, before he left, that yes, we put those out for political reasons, and then boom, he was gone.
01:33:49.000I mean, they canned him quick every time the approval rating goes down.
01:33:53.000It always turns out it wasn't a real threat, okay?
01:33:57.000Imagine having thousands of people all over the country with these online forms, and they're going to have a Homeland Security deal where you sit at home and watch surveillance cameras in another city and then flag the police so that you stay frosty.
01:34:09.000They're going to simulate terrorists on the Video feed and not tell you that they're not real like making it a video game which then creates creates the perception of real threats I mean, this is science fiction style mind control, and I'm sure this thing in Knoxville doesn't go that deep but John Sterling I mean, I mean, what is this system?
01:34:29.000You're gonna you see something suspicious I mean, if I see some suspicious looking Arabs with a truck and it looks like explosives in the back, I'm going to do a citizen's arrest or I'm going to go call the police.
01:34:41.000I'm not going to go fill out an online form to the government.
01:34:45.000This is just going to be a huge, huge rumor bucket that's going to be used for warfare monitoring.
01:34:50.000Think of it as layers of intervention, with each layer being checked or vetted before it goes to the next layer.
01:35:00.000Reports by citizens of something that they deem to be suspicious will be looked at locally and determined whether there needs to be any other action taken at a higher level.
01:35:13.000Also understand that when something is reported at the local level, We may not have any knowledge here locally that there are also simultaneously similar events happening elsewhere.
01:35:24.000So somewhere in the system the operators are able to detect patterns.
01:35:30.000The NSA runs it through keywords and then the same thing pops up and they see a pattern.
01:35:35.000So anyway, the network, the Homeland Security Information Network is a component part of what makes all that integrated and puts the reporting mechanism It standardizes the reporting mechanism.
01:35:51.000I don't trust the government to do that.
01:35:54.000I've seen the abuse, the enemies list, the rest of it.
01:35:57.000You get real military intelligence with able danger with Clinton and Bush, specifically going, these guys are terrorists and they're told, leave them alone.
01:36:04.000I've interviewed the embassy heads who are like, well these are hijackers.
01:36:07.000No, they're part of an anti-terror program.
01:36:11.000I've interviewed the FBI agents who were told, you'll be arrested if you go after You know, the supposed 20th hijacker.
01:36:18.000I've talked to the, you know, David Shippers, who represents them.
01:36:22.000I mean, so, so, it's just, again, there's all these well-meaning people like you, who are in there being part of this, and you watch, you mark my words.
01:36:30.000You're going to see, and I hope you'll come on in a few years when this happens, I hope you don't rationalize it to yourself.
01:36:35.000This is going to be used, as you said, threats.
01:36:39.000And I've got articles from around the country where it says, fighting crime.
01:36:41.000These new Viper teams, with the TSA, they say they're going to fight terror and crime.
01:36:45.000And then you said, well, terror isn't a crime.
01:36:48.000Well, terror is a crime, but it isn't the same as a regular crime, because it has a political use to scare a population or a government into a political action.
01:37:14.000You're where the rubber meets the road!
01:37:16.000Well, my job is fairly clearly defined.
01:37:19.000I've got a training mission to deal with producing A labor pool that can integrate into a local industry or local government that's trained in emergency planning, trained in vulnerability assessment.
01:37:36.000Some of the things that you're talking about are way off the track from where our training is going.
01:37:43.000Let me give you an example, professor.
01:37:48.000They'll go, hey, we'll give the county this whole base.
01:37:51.000Just let the Army and National Guard move in with you at the same base.
01:37:54.000We'll put an emergency traffic monitoring system with these federal cameras we put in.
01:37:58.000You can use them as dual-use law enforcement.
01:38:01.000And oh, by the way, the cell phones just so happened by law in 96 to be put in place in 2001.
01:38:08.000Our live time track, so now we can track everyone just in case we need to.
01:38:11.000You know, because things have changed since 9-11, though we built this in in 96.
01:38:15.000Oh, the new transponders going in in Texas and all the cars are going to have a transponder.
01:38:19.000We're going to double it as toll roads, and the toll roads are going to pay for this.
01:38:23.000And then you've got federalization, sir.
01:38:26.000Having the TSA come into local communities and go, you take federal funds, you've got to give us 40 cops, 50 cops, and they're going to have citizens under them, and we're going to be gooning around at the airports.
01:38:36.000Uh, Miami Police, we're gonna be going outside the shopping malls and checking all your papers.
01:39:46.000They made the thing with the Pentagon.
01:39:48.000These cameras, these sensors, all of it.
01:39:50.000It has nothing to do with Ketchen, Osama, Al-Siad, bin Laden.
01:39:58.000Is it effective, you think, in dealing with local crime?
01:40:03.000Can we be more effective dealing with all types of crime, not just terrorist-related crimes?
01:40:09.000There you go, and so you're saying, well, crime's bad, we need to use this federally-funded grid to fight the evil criminals, meanwhile the government's salivating, wanting my guns.
01:40:19.000Well, what I'm saying is that the tools are becoming available.
01:40:23.000Now, how they are used As I said, we always have to exercise caution.
01:40:28.000If I'm being lied to about how our resources are being utilized at national levels, then I don't know how to respond to that.
01:40:43.000You do the best you can with what you've got.
01:40:45.000Every one of us is equipped with a certain amount of discretion, a certain amount of discernment.
01:40:51.000You know, you've got to play the hand you're dealt.
01:40:52.000I'm innocent until proven guilty, and I don't want the transponders in the inspection sticker.
01:40:57.000And I don't want them listening to my cell phone and following me around.
01:41:56.000One of the things that conservatives are fond of doing, if their man is in the White House, They're all too willing to give government power to, you know, protect us, quote-unquote, or, you know, solve some social problem, but you're exactly right.
01:42:09.000Once you've set up the mechanism, we may not have any real control over who's in control next door.
01:43:02.000In my classes that we teach at the community college, the first requirement course, the prerequisite course, lays that philosophical, constitutional foundation.
01:43:14.000And it's required for every student that enrolls in the program.
01:44:19.000Meanwhile, sir, we have real terrorism.
01:44:22.000You know, I see the President criticize the Minutemen who sit there in lawn chairs and videotape and call the police and have spy glasses on the border, where we really need what you're doing, where we really need programs like this.
01:44:34.000We have 800 dead in the last 11 and a half months in Texas.
01:44:38.000The State Department is saying it's more dangerous Then Israel's West Bank per capita.
01:44:43.000We have car bombs going off in Texas, machine gunning of police, over 15 dead cops this year so far from Mexican Los Zetas paramilitary gangs, and because the federal government wants to keep it quiet and wants amnesty, brother, we've had about three news stories on it in Texas, and the label Laredo is shutting down a huge tourist town.
01:45:02.000Now let me tell you, that's a real terrorist threat, and there isn't anything being done about it.
01:45:06.000Well, I appreciate the volunteers who do give up their time and resources to help report it.
01:45:12.000What happens after it's reported, you know, again, those decisions are made beyond our pay grade.
01:45:17.000And then Bush criticizes them, but he wants to have you guys running around in Knoxville doing something even more complex.
01:45:25.000Well, I have to say, based on the training that we offered yesterday, there's nothing very complex about it.
01:45:32.000It's an opportunity to report any suspicious activity.
01:45:36.000I'm just saying filing reports into an NSA database, upload, dump site, raw intel is a lot more complex than people going, I spot 14 illegals coming across the fence.
01:45:47.000It's still reporting a suspicious activity or criminal activity.
01:45:51.000And like I said, it's filtered or screened.
01:45:58.000Well, let's take some calls, Professor.
01:45:59.000I was trying to get you to get into our mindset, so you know why we're upset about this, why we're concerned.
01:46:05.000I mean, look, I got video, I got photos of the Alabama Defense Force just randomly searching three-year-old children going into a downtown city.
01:46:35.000I mean, do you see that growing in Knoxville to that point?
01:46:38.000Well, as I said, there's a growing, as I'm old enough now to see younger people coming into these positions of authority, I'm seeing, to me, a kind of a scary Well, it's just ridiculous.
01:47:27.000Hey professor, you know, the fact that you're a professor and I appreciate the fact that we have good guys in there doing what they're doing.
01:47:35.000Don't you see that throughout history we've seen this happen time and time and time and time and time and time again and the original intentions fantastic but it never works out right it never works out like it's sold to the people to begin with and it always fails and falls apart and turns into this despotic rule of you know absolute tyranny And yet, for some odd reason, we're all still going to follow along like good little lemmings.
01:48:01.000And clearly, the audience that tunes into this radio show is made up of people who are suspicious of some of these things.
01:48:09.000There's a lot of people that are suspicious of some of these things.
01:48:13.000It's really... I mean, we want to say that, yeah, you know what?
01:48:17.000The model of increased security and cameras and all this is going to work.
01:48:20.000Yet we had 14 bombings in 7 days, or 7 bombings in 14 days in London, and they've got more cameras and more security than almost anybody else.
01:48:27.000Well, did you hear me tell Alex that I believe technology is not the answer today?
01:48:32.000I understand that and I can appreciate that, but we're still, you're asking the entire population, most of which can't even name their congressman, to try and take responsibility to make sure that this doesn't fall into the wrong hands the next election or the election after that.
01:48:46.000You leave a carrot out there like this, you're going to have somebody who's ambitious and knows that most people are just taking and putting their absolute faith in our government.
01:48:55.000They're going to turn around and go, well, hey, now's the time for me to grab it.
01:48:58.000They'll come up with a great story, everybody will follow right along with it because the lack of thinking proves that the education system's working.
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01:49:35.000You've got a blind spot, though, because you aren't a bad person, and you are a warrior who has an instinctive need to defend people.
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01:53:26.000Professor, I think essentially what the Founding Fathers thought was that the worst crime is organized crime, and the worst organized crime is when it goes into government.
01:53:35.000America can operate with impunity under the color of law and write corruption right into the laws.
01:53:41.000All they need at that point is just to manufacture an enemy or a crisis or something to serve as an excuse to spend billions and billions of our money.
01:53:51.000Now, back in 9-11, they claimed that the whole world changed because 19 Arabs attacked our country, but the whole trend and the whole shift is toward targeting Americans I don't, I can't recall any terrorist attacks of any significance happening in this country by Americans, except maybe the Weathermen back in 1970 or so.
01:54:12.000By the way, Bill Clinton let them out of jail.
01:54:15.000What, he pardoned like 30 people who committed over 100 bombings?
01:54:20.000Well, you know, today Rush Limbaugh, Alex, was saying that the world didn't change in 9-11, it changed with 226 being the first World Trade Center bombing.
01:54:30.000Well, back then they had a trial over all this about Sheikh, and it turned out they had an Egyptian army officer there.
01:54:36.000No, no, the FBI cooked the bomb, drove the driver, that's New York Times.
01:54:40.000And then, oh, we're sorry, we built it for them and told them where to park it.
01:55:25.000We need to walk according to the light we've been shown.
01:55:29.000Well, people do need to be involved, and the premise of what you said, that the people are dumb as dirt, and I don't say that from some sardonic view.
01:55:35.000I mean, there's a mass of people out there, a sizable group, who are very intelligent and informed, no more than I do, or you do.
01:55:40.000But really, it is true, and it goes back to government, federal education, federally written.
01:55:44.000I mean, these people don't know anything.
01:56:49.000The centralized government can't, won't, never will save you.
01:56:52.000It's like Alberto Gonzales is pro-gun.
01:56:55.000I mean, anti-gun, 40 to sleep, I wish he was.
01:56:57.000He openly is anti-gun, and he's pro-gun control.
01:57:04.000But meanwhile, he doesn't want me to be able to protect myself, but he wants to have Tattletale squads everywhere.
01:57:10.000Well, as I said before, I believe that citizens need to be involved, and I believe that the Second Amendment says what it means and means what it says, and I think every American ought to be armed.
01:57:20.000And I think that's one of the reasons why America has been spared a lot of the conflict that potentially could have been arsed.
01:57:57.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:58:01.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:58:05.000All right, we got this Homeland Security individual on who you can tell is well-meaning but just does not see the big picture.
01:58:20.000Then we point out all this police state stuff he's involved in, and he goes, well, you are right about the command centers, and I am against that.
01:59:37.000Washington Journal this morning had Senator Mark Dayton on, a Democrat, who was downplaying, I believe, Nancy Pelosi's comments about possible impeachment that she gave this morning.
01:59:51.000He was out there downplaying it, which would seem odd from a Democrat if it wasn't for the admission that he made in the beginning That he is from the same fraternity at Yale as Bush, who was president of the fraternity a year ahead of him.
02:00:06.000So, admission that he's skull and bones.
02:00:08.000They didn't come out and say skull and bones, but put two and two together.
02:00:13.000Well, it's really, you ought to put that in an email and send that to him, that's very interesting.
02:00:17.000But look, This is what they've always done, Jeff.
02:00:21.000Pelosi came out and said, let's not be anti-war.
02:00:24.000She said in a memo that lets part of us be anti-war and the other part not be.
02:00:31.000They all voted for the war, 99% on when it really counted.
02:00:37.000Now that it's window dressing, but look, when the people wake up and get mad and 70 plus percent are against the war, 71%, what did you see?
02:00:46.000Hillary, Bill Clinton, Schumer, Uh, all of them.
02:00:51.000Of course, Hillary and Bill met at Yale, didn't they?
02:01:58.000I asked my question to the guest and then Brian has a book out that he... I was in the contest they had for viewer call-ins, the essay contest, and he sent me a free book and I read just a little bit of it.
02:02:10.000But he had a story in there about how when he was at Chester Arthur's tomb in Albany, he jumped the fence and snuck in there and I said, well Brian, if you're brave enough to do that, you should be brave enough to have Alex Jones on the show.
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02:06:45.000Bush is saying he may sign it, which I don't believe for a minute.
02:06:48.000You know, he's just a congenital liar, but the point that we're having to force him to come down to the border and grandstand and run around and act like he's going to do something is a positive sign.
02:07:29.000But the odd part of the story is when Rick Lazio, who was competing with Hillary for the Senate that year, He came to Skinny Atlas a few weeks later, and his crew, just me down there with my video camera on public property, threatened me, they brandished firearms on me trying to intimidate me, they tried to have the local police arrest me, they had some children of the local Republican Party leaders harassing me in the streets while they were trying to film a campaign commercial for Lazio.
02:07:59.000And at one point, he sent out his, uh, someone to take pictures of me.
02:08:04.000They took a lot of pictures of me that day.
02:08:05.000Well, it shows, it shows their arrogant attitude.
02:08:07.000A lot of these politicians are just completely crazy.
02:08:10.000I found out on C-SPAN, in a Christopher Hitchens speech that they gave, that Henry Kissinger, he was mocking Henry Kissinger for how low he'd think.
02:08:18.000Henry Kissinger was working on Lazio's campaign that year, he said.
02:08:23.000Well, Henry Kissinger is a real piece of work.
02:08:30.000All right, let's go to Glenn Spencer, who I really appreciate coming on the broadcast today.
02:08:35.000I tried this morning to do some research on this bill, and I saw they were trying to add all the poison to it.
02:08:41.000It looked pretty good on the face of it, but they've done this, what, three other times, where they get a good bill, and then they get everybody behind it, and then right at the last minute, they tag a bunch of, oh, we're going to control the illegals after we totally legalize them.
02:08:51.000You know, they'll create a bill that does something, not enough, but something.
02:08:55.000And then again, they'll add, you know, we've got a bill against murder, but we're going to legalize murder after we pass this bill.
02:09:01.000Glenn Spencer, AmericanPatrol.com, one of the leading, not the leading, expert on research and tracking all of this, lives now right there on the border with our command base, tracking all this in Arizona.
02:09:30.000Well, I know that, but I mean, you've been pounding on this for years.
02:09:33.000And a lot of other people have, not as, you know, not with the effectiveness possibly.
02:09:38.000But Congress is beginning to feel it, you know.
02:09:41.000When Jim Gilchrist actually won the election on Election Day in California as an Independent against the Republican stronghold.
02:09:51.000Sure, the absentee ballots cost him the election, but on election day, Jim Gilchrist got more votes than anybody else in Orange County in California.
02:10:03.000He started the Minuteman Project, and we supported him all the way.
02:10:07.000That put the fear of God and the American people in the hearts of these Republicans in Congress.
02:10:14.000In other words, when they feel the heat, they see the light.
02:10:19.000Well, that's why they're rushing to put in these fraudulent voting machines where the poll shows a pro border person is going to win and then magically they lose with these special machines.
02:10:28.000I think it's clear from what I've seen that Gilchrist really won and there was some hanky-panky going.
02:10:32.000Well, he got more votes on election day when the people who went to the polls physically went to the polls.
02:11:32.000And they were open border illegal alien advocates!
02:11:37.000And when they had that hearing down there, I went down and gave a speech outside the auditorium where the hearing was being held, and I was asked to come in and then testify.
02:11:45.000And I testified in the voter fraud hearing for Robert Dornan.
02:11:49.000And a lot of people think that in the Bob Dornan-Sanchez race, they investigated voting by illegal aliens.
02:12:30.000But I also, since I testified before a House task force, it was an official House committee, as a witness, you can then, you have five days in which to revise and extend your remarks, just like they do in the House of Representatives.
02:12:45.000So I put into the Congressional record all of the evidence that Mexico was invading the United States with hostile intent to conquest the Vatican.
02:12:53.000Well, I mean, we have the TV stations, 600-and-something billboards going, this is Mexico, we're taking over.
02:12:59.000We have the radio stations call the invasion, the takeover.
02:13:20.000We're going to lose the Southwest if they keep this up.
02:13:24.000But this bill, let me tell you something, I think that we've been yelling for years down here on the board of the kind of technology that needs to be used.
02:13:32.000Almost each and every item that we have brought up in the past is included in this bill.
02:13:40.000Well you went, what was it, about a year ago and had a big meeting with some top elites in Washington, even some of the elites are starting to balk at killing America.
02:13:49.000And look, Latin America is doubling its population every 20-30 years.
02:13:52.000I mean, folks, we have got to build a 500 foot wall with fire breathing dragons on it, or we're all going to be a third world country.
02:13:59.000I mean, we're going to be living in Mexico City standards.
02:14:20.000You have an employer eligibility verification system.
02:14:23.000They have to check the social security number.
02:14:25.000This has been almost impossible to get through the Congress.
02:14:28.000Well yeah, citizens have to go through the whole national ID card thing that's already in place, but the illegals... Well no, all they have to do is they have to verify that a person's social security number is valid.
02:15:33.000I mean, and now Mexico is screaming bloody murder over this thing?
02:15:38.000Uh, the question though, it's been passed by the House of Representatives and now it has to be debated in the Senate after the first of the year.
02:15:46.000The fear is that the Senate will water it down and then add a provision to legalize millions of illegal aliens.
02:15:55.000And then the fear is That it'll go back to the House, they will balk at doing that, and then nothing will happen.
02:16:03.000Well, yeah, it's a stalemate poison pill.
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02:20:54.000What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George?
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02:22:04.000Has an amazing website over many years and has been on the front lines One of the grandfathers of this movement started out in Native American affairs, helping Native Americans and doing a lot of good things to the community and just saw a group of people in California going, we're going to kill you, this is our country, ha ha ha.
02:22:21.000I'm not kidding, folks, with huge signs and pictures of white people's heads cut off and Lynn said, you know what, I'm going to do something about this.
02:22:27.000But it's all financed out of Washington, it's all a big sick joke.
02:22:31.000Glenn, Bush right now is saying he will sign this if it goes to him, but what I'm hearing is that, well, I've heard national talk show host go, President Bush is doing a good job in the Southwest, he's in Texas, he's going to deal with the illegal alien problem, we've got to get his plan passed.
02:22:55.000Well, you have to understand that the That this bill is not going to go to his desk until it goes through the Senate, right?
02:23:03.000It's got to go to the Senate, and they've got to make amendments and do other things to it.
02:23:08.000And by the time they're finished with it, then it has to go back to a House-Senate conference.
02:23:14.000And what they're going to try to do, his aim is to slap on this amnesty, which is what it really is, a guest worker program, to legalize 15 million people, and it'll eventually be 40 million, to legalize them all, As part of this comprehensive deal.
02:23:30.000So this thing is going to then go back to the House, and that there is, if they sell us out, there's going to be a revolution in this country.
02:23:40.000If the House of Representatives agrees to an amnesty program that would cover eventually half of Mexico, there's going to be serious trouble in this country.
02:23:48.000So I believe his strategy is to push it over into the Senate, put a poison pill in it, Send it over back to the house and nothing happens.
02:24:00.000Now, let's assume just for a moment, however, that by some miracle, right, or his other strategy might be, okay, I will pass this without a guest worker program.
02:24:14.000And then six months later, come back and say, well, we took care of the border, didn't we?
02:24:18.000Now we can have a guest worker program.
02:24:27.000And one of the things that American Border Patrol is, one of the reasons that we're here, is to report directly to the American people what's actually going on at the border.
02:24:37.000But, Glenn, what's made the worm turn, though, is you and others testifying and going and talking to these big establishment groups.
02:24:44.000They're sick of it, even though they're rich and powerful and they know it's all part of the global plan.
02:24:48.000They're seeing it killing their country.
02:25:21.000Well, Glenn, I haven't had you on since I went to the Desisays Parade, and I just went there because I knew some basically Hispanic Ku Klux Klan groups were going to be there, and sure enough, they were wearing shirts playing San Diego.
02:25:33.000And then I started researching it, and I found out that there's big groups promoting it right now online, killing every white man above the age of 16.
02:25:41.000And then I had local civil rights groups go, well, they're downtrodden, so what if they talk about killing you, Alex?
02:25:50.000There were actual civil rights local commission newspapers and things that were saying, well, Alex is right, they are saying Plan of San Diego, but, you know, they actually said that's okay!
02:25:59.000Just lay down and let people kill you!
02:26:03.000Well, you know, if Shakespeare says, all's well that ends well, this thing is not going to end well.
02:26:09.000When you have the Catholic Church in Mexico, the Catholic Church spokesman, the official spokesman, saying that this bill is, quote, a triumph of the ideals of Hitler, he is calling the House of Representatives of the United States a bunch of Nazis.
02:26:28.000Now, what do you think... By the way, the plan of San Diego was actually promoted by the Germans, so that's actually Nazi, but I'm sorry, go ahead.
02:26:34.000Well, the point is that if the Mexicans now believe That the people of the United States are a bunch of Nazis?
02:26:43.000What should happen to the people of the United States?
02:26:49.000Well, I mean, that's what these groups say, I mean... That's what they're saying!
02:26:52.000I mean, the Catholic Church, uh, is that Messicchio Treveso Bencomo of the Catholic Church spokesman said that this bill was a triumph of the ideals of Hitler.
02:27:05.000He's saying the leadership of the Congress of the United States are a bunch of Nazis.
02:27:10.000Yeah, I don't think the Catholic Church in the U.S.
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02:30:52.000It's a Cessna TU-206 that I fly on the border.
02:30:53.000And we have a crew of two in the back.
02:30:55.000glyn you were trying to say something when we hit that last break we might have some fun one of these days if you're interested you know we have a new borderhawk m border vehicle it's a cessna tu206 that i fly on the border and we have a crew of two in the back it's really a skydiving airplane which has cargo doors you can take off and fly And I've got a crew of two and cameras and an intelligence officer.
02:31:24.000And we fly around the border and send live, now we just did this last week, live streaming video and audio over the internet.
02:31:33.000And if sometime you'd like to do a program, I can actually do an interview from the airplane.
02:31:57.000And I can take you on a tour of the entire border down here in the knockout sector and show you how they do it.
02:32:02.000Well, here's the incredible thing, Glenn.
02:32:03.000We have this Homeland Security gentleman on who's setting up the whole university down there in Knoxville with 14 classes and running it locally with these local squads to watch everyone and look for crime and terror.
02:32:16.000But meanwhile, the border's totally wide open and the President calls the Minutemen vigilantes, who are sitting in lawn chairs, calling the police.
02:32:24.000I mean, it's just, it's a joke, isn't it?
02:32:26.000Well, yeah, but, see, what we're equipping ourselves to do now, and once again, this is a major breakthrough for us.
02:32:33.000You'll be able to sit there and watch on your TV, on your streaming video, live, as it happens.
02:32:39.000And we'll be, and we've spotted illegal aliens.
02:32:42.000We can show you, probably go up and show you how they come into Mexico, and the probability is we'll find one of these vans that drives up, we'll show you where they drop them off, And where they cross.
02:32:53.000Now, we can't guarantee that if we're on for an hour that we're going to see something during that hour.
02:33:15.000Let's do that in a month or so, in the new year.
02:33:18.000That's a real honor for you to offer to do that.
02:33:20.000Let's have you on and then we'll stream it right off the web, the audio of the video, or we can have you via cell phone up in the helicopter and talk to us while we stream another feed.
02:33:29.000I'd love to do that and that's all at AmericanPatrol.com.
02:33:35.000American Border Patrol, American Patrol is my slash and burn take no prisoners website.
02:33:41.000But American Border Patrol, which I run, is a non-profit corporation.
02:33:55.000And then what happens is you get a little flag that appears on your screen, your computer screen, when we're up sending video from the airplane.
02:34:03.000Ooh, I need to get that on my website.
02:34:05.000Could I have a link, a permanent link on my website?
02:34:08.000Just go to AmericanBorderPatrol.com And on the right, it says, download the BorderCam software.
02:34:14.000And then every time it's happening, there'll be a flag on my website and people can click?
02:34:18.000Yeah, when we're up in the air flying, actually sending... Well, it won't appear on any computer.
02:34:25.000I don't know if the guys can make it appear on any one, but what happens is your webmaster can figure out how to use it, how to do that.
02:34:34.000What happens is, you know, when we're up in the air and we're actually sending live video out, and if you've subscribed to this service, a little window will pop up on your screen.
02:35:34.000All of the assets and all of the resources, and I go in and I prove how this happened, and I have all the information, I can't tell you how I got it.
02:36:33.000Well, I mean, again, whether it's Knoxville, Tennessee with Tattletail squads walking around or Atlanta with federal teams walking around shaking down families, it's ridiculous.
02:36:44.000We'll just randomly line Americans up, whether they're black, white, Hispanic, purple, green, blue, and we're going to randomly search you and raid you and have Miami teams, but we're going to have acing when planes land in Miami and not even look at the IDs of people from third world countries.
02:36:59.000That was in the Miami Herald a few years ago.
02:37:22.000Well, Glenn Spencer, I want to thank you again on short notice for checking in with us, and as this develops, please continue to let us check in with you, and we always appreciate your fine work.
02:37:31.000So, coming up, is this going to be in the new year, this big battle, or will this be in the next week?
02:37:40.000And then the fur will fly when they start changing this bill to try to change it to run it down and include a guest worker program that would most certainly, if passed, destroy this country.
02:38:06.000You know, so... Let me just say one last thing.
02:38:10.000George Bush is a champion of democracy and yet he wants to bring millions of people into this country to work who have no right to vote here.
02:40:06.000And even more than that, folks, the globalists want to drive down the wages, balkanize the U.S., the Pan-American Union, Mexico will be as enslaved as we're going to be enslaved, and they just want us all fighting with each other, and we shouldn't do that.
02:40:17.000And at another level, they're having to let the U.S.
02:40:20.000be a steam valve for revolution in Mexico.
02:40:23.000Did you know, what was it, a hundred years ago, there was like 15 million people there?
02:40:27.000Now it's like 95 million in just 30 years, it'll be 200 million?
02:40:30.000I mean, that's just one country in Latin America!
02:40:33.000I mean, the Mexicans that are here now, the illegal aliens, are all going to be displaced by the other Latin Americans.
02:40:51.000Do you want to compete against somebody in Calcutta, where half the population lives homeless, and there's dead bodies all over the streets?
02:40:57.000I mean, I've got video of it on the website.
02:40:59.000Do you want to compete against 30 million in Mexico City, when half their population lives in homeless areas?
02:41:27.000Alright, let's go ahead and take... Debbie Morrow's been holding, and I promise we'll go to Scott, John, and Chris have been holding for time immemorial, but Debbie Morrow...
02:41:36.000I was going to have her on in the second hour, but I had that guest that we got on short notice about Homeland Security, now paddling on.
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02:47:00.000have a very wonderful Christmas or another crime Scott in Wisconsin Scott you're on the air go ahead I don't know but it's a good start for making you hold on it that's okay I a few things real quick What your first guest didn't understand is that today's youth is lacking the godly qualities of the past generations and can't be trusted with the authority he wants to give them.
02:47:24.000Well, some of the youth, we always say that about them.
02:47:26.000Some of our young people are smarter than ever because they crack through the control, but I'll have to say, it is unbelievable some of these kids.
02:47:35.000I understand that they're still spying on us and they're spying on your show definitely, so I'd like to report An act of terrorism that's about to happen.
02:47:44.000There was 250 pounds of explosives missing from New Mexico.
02:47:52.000And you know, this is, I believe that there's going to come a time, your program states that the Empire's on the run.
02:48:00.000I believe that there's going to come a time when they're going to be tired of running.
02:48:04.000The filthy sodomite Illuminati's in the White House and the rest of the world are going to go in a little hole in the ground.
02:48:10.000Call their forward observers to have Russia and China take care of this American problem.
02:48:16.000And then when they come out and brush their hands off and say, that's enough of that, God's going to take his big foot and squash the bugs that they are.
02:48:34.000About 400 pounds of explosive material missing.
02:48:37.000And so we better give up all of our rights now, cause the Boards want Al-Qaeda!
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02:51:40.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
02:51:55.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
02:52:00.000Yeah, I saw this yesterday and even today.
02:52:02.000I just barely mentioned it, but it's a huge story.
02:52:04.000Federal investigators probe high-tech explosives theft, and it says it's the type of 400 pounds of a C4 and a bunch of detonators.
02:52:12.000It says it's the stuff that military operatives and terrorists, you mean military operatives, use, and it's perfect for blowing up, obviously, support columns, and then you just have a plane flying through it, and blame it on that.
02:52:24.000And, uh, 2,500 detonators were missing from a storage explosive container or magazine in a bunker owned.
02:52:30.000Somebody cut through it with blowtorches.
02:52:32.000And this is the very same government training ground.
02:52:35.000out there that didn't have this private bunker on it, where the BATF practiced blowing up cars, rider trucks, exactly a few months before the 95 Alper B. Murrow building bombing.
02:53:40.000But right here, he said he met with people.
02:53:42.000See, I'm going to spend federal dollars.
02:53:44.000He needs to get his mouth off the federal government peep.
02:53:48.000I've been to the drills of the Tennessee State Guard and all that stuff where I've talked to people and they're like, what are you going to do if you have to take people's guns?
02:53:56.000Well, you know, we gotta do what you gotta do, because you don't know if they're Al-Qaeda, so... I mean, you know... No, I know, it's sick!
02:54:02.000So what's he gonna do, his group of little Tattletail kids, are they gonna, you know, support me?
02:54:05.000Well, I mean, can you imagine when they come to take our guns and we fight back?
02:54:08.000See, they are terrorists, they're fighting back!
02:54:10.000They won't let us break your families up and take them to freedom camps!
02:54:15.000But they're all trained in the Constitution, because they had a 15-minute course, so... I guess everything's alright, so... Well, that's why I made the joke about the 15-minute course, yeah.
02:54:36.000If other people in Tennessee can do the tape for him, perhaps he'll wake up and have someone good on the inside instead of someone, you know... Yeah, we need to have people go join that and look at it from the inside.
02:54:52.000You had a caller on very early in the broadcast named Jim and he was talking about why he's under the Constitution because he hasn't signed anything.
02:55:03.000And the reason, and you elaborate on this a lot, we don't have rights because a bunch of men sat down 230 years ago and wrote it all out on a document.
02:55:16.000We have rights because they come from God.
02:55:19.000And all that does is restrain the government and say, you've got to follow this.