Big Brother, Mainstream Media, Government Cover-ups. You want answers? Well, so does he. He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network and now, live from Austin, Texas, we're going to be here live for the next three hours. Coming up in the next hour: CIA operative says Bush military leaders let Bin Laden escape. And then we go back to the articles that were posted over the last few years where they flew the Taliban out to safety. We have generals being ordered to release Taliban generals. And we have operatives clearly trained at U.S. military bases.
00:01:09.000Of course, that's not the story we're getting from Gary Bernstein, just that they were ordered to not go after Bin Laden, to basically stop, and then he can give his reasons for that.
00:01:17.000But when you look at all the evidence, it is crystal clear.
00:01:24.000And so we'll be discussing that coming up later.
00:01:27.000We're going to have open phones, of course.
00:01:29.000Military Times poll, that's the military's own big publication, one of the major publications covering the military, poll finds fading support for President Bush's war Even amongst their readers, who you would think would be buying into the propaganda, because Bush has so nicely catapulted the propaganda, as he likes to say.
00:01:55.000Also, files say agency initiated growth of spying effort.
00:02:02.000Of course, they've lied to us hundreds and hundreds of times.
00:02:05.000We know the NSA has been spying on the American people long before George Bush went into office.
00:02:11.000That doesn't make it okay that he's been doing it.
00:02:13.000It shows the systemic, system-wide corruption.
00:02:19.000But, oh, they have a Democrat coming out now, shilling for Bush, and oh, the NSA, they were doing this on their own.
00:02:28.000Bush didn't commit a felony ordering him to do it.
00:02:31.000It doesn't matter if the orders are now public and admitted, and Bush has been defending his orders.
00:02:37.000No, now that it looks like he's not going to get away with it, no, no, he's going to retroactively say, oh no, I didn't do it.
00:02:41.000It's like, if you come in and confess to robbing the bank, and there's surveillance footage of you doing it, and eyewitnesses fingering you, and they find your trunk full of cash, and then you just say, oh, I confessed, but now, because you're going to indict me, I didn't rob the bank.
00:02:59.000Oh, well then, let's Oh, let's let you go free!
00:03:02.000So we have this federal agency, the largest snooping agency, telling us that, oh, they just did it all on their own.
00:03:11.000The president didn't tell them to do anything.
00:03:14.000Meanwhile, National Security Agency whistleblower warns domestic spying program is signs the US is decaying into a police state.
00:03:30.000And the former NSA intelligence agent on the show later this week as well.
00:03:35.000By the way, we have Michael Bagnerik, who was the Libertarian presidential candidate, joining us in studio tomorrow, so that should be interesting, and we're going to start, we have started, having an in-studio guest every single week, and then we take that video from those interviews and post them on PrisonPlanet.tv for members there, and we also air it locally on the local Austin TV show.
00:03:58.000So a new feature that we've been doing the last few months here in the new studios that are a bit larger and so you can look forward to more and more of that.
00:04:05.000Something else I'm going to do is when authors come through town that I think are interesting and quite a few do come through town to book people and Barnes & Noble and the rest of it, I'm going to start getting them to swing by here as well at least one or two a month so that'll add to our in-studio audience just a little note for PrisonPlanet.tv members Lacks oversight found in tests of gene-altered crops.
00:04:31.000I'm sure most of you already know why, but we'll go over it.
00:04:33.000Iran vows to restart its nuclear development program of peaceful energy systems, but our government's sworn to attack them, and they're moving forward to attack them.
00:04:45.000And I wanted to go over a history of secret U.S.
00:04:48.000human experimentation, just cover some of it.
00:04:50.000And I've got some comments on the tragedy with the coal miners.
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00:08:11.000There have been a lot of new big developments concerning Iran and the people that control our government's statements and movements to go ahead and start bombing them.
00:08:47.000And I want to get into the latest news on the NSA and the news spin out there that no, no, the NSA did this all on their own.
00:09:00.000It doesn't matter if Bush says he ordered it and has bragged about it.
00:09:03.000Now because people aren't buying that, okay, I didn't order it.
00:09:09.000And then we're supposed to forget that just two days ago he got up and gave a speech, now I guess three days ago, on Sunday and said that he ordered it for our own good.
00:09:24.000You know, you can always tell how staged things are that when one of their people gets in trouble, oh, the other party comes over to save them.
00:09:33.000Before I go any further, I don't want to lessen the horrible Things that happen to coal miners in West Virginia and Tennessee and other areas of the country.
00:09:45.000I mean, I've read quite a bit about coal miners in England and coal miners in Europe and coal miners in America.
00:09:52.000Thank God I never had to experience it, but down there breathing the coal dust, getting incredible problems with their lungs, the cave-ins, the methane and butane gas that is down in the mines.
00:10:07.000I mean, it is a hellish, hard-working, 12-hours-on, 12-hours-off job.
00:10:15.000And that's why I've been really pleased they've had the more modern lignite mining systems of just stripping it right off the surface.
00:10:22.000Too bad we can't have all that clean-burning coal in Utah, because Clinton turned it into a UN biosphere, enough clean-burning coal to run the country for 200-plus years.
00:10:57.000And it turns out that really the government knew they were dead.
00:11:01.000But just didn't want to say they were dead.
00:11:05.000And then Bush would come out and give us a wonderful speech about it.
00:11:09.000And I remember listeners were getting a little bit paranoid in some of the emails and instant messages and stuff we got, saying, hey, this is some kind of weird diversion.
00:11:25.000But then I started reading the reports, and I got CNN here, about how the families were gathered at a church, and so they called out the SWAT team, and the SWAT team was pointing their rifles at the families.
00:11:38.000And, you know, one man got mad and jumped on the mine director, but that was it.
00:11:43.000But why was the SWAT team there to begin with?
00:12:06.000But it's this attitude that we're all the enemy, we're all terrorists, we're all bad, and you know, the local constabulary, the local mine leaders, the local, you know, robber barons have to have their regulators there with them to make sure that the people don't cause a problem.
00:12:23.000According to press reports, I have them right here, that's what actually made people mad.
00:12:26.000They're like, why are all these cops around us?
00:12:28.000Why are there snipers pointing guns at us?
00:12:31.000I'll never forget, I went to protest the Klan back in 1999, up in Waco, Texas, because they were trying to bind themselves to what would happen to the Branch Davidians, thus demonizing their cause and their memory, and at the same time threatening us and making little weird comments.
00:12:49.000And so, again, I'm not a Branch Davidian, folks.
00:12:51.000I went up there and covered that story and built a memorial church for all those that died.
00:12:55.000We even have plaques out there to remember the police that died, to the, well, the BATF, whatever you want to call them, the gun confiscators.
00:13:01.000But, to make a long story short, Why was I telling that story?
00:13:07.000They had the McClellan County SWAT team up in the parking garage and I'm walking wearing a t-shirt, no bag, and Mike Hanson's with me with a little video camera, obviously no weapons.
00:13:20.000I've been there for about an hour and a half, been bullhorning them.
00:13:23.000Marty put the bullhorn up and I look up And there's two snipers!
00:14:48.000The point is, is that I think what happened to these 13, it's 12 dead for sure, and a 13th minor was found dead as well, so it's a total of 13.
00:14:58.000And then one other gentleman is in some type of coma, and we pray for him.
00:15:02.000But, let's really get down to the bottom of it here, and let's just say it, and tell it like it is.
00:15:12.000Stalin said that when one man dies, it's a tragedy.
00:15:18.000And being a mass murdering devil, he knew what he was talking about.
00:15:22.000I talked all about the last few weeks about DynCorp, and for some reason suddenly a governor of Illinois is talking about it, and suddenly the Chicago Tribune is talking about it.
00:17:08.000These are grown men, they know it's a dangerous job, and I think they're tough guys, and I think they're great, and they're dead.
00:17:16.000You know, whenever a cop gets shot, and everyone pulls their hair out and freaks out and runs around going nuts, and just in giant plaques and monuments everywhere, unless Mexican troops kill them, and it might be in one newspaper, and just kind of shut up, no, there's a memorial, just shut up.
00:17:33.000You see, again, they tell you when to care.
00:17:37.000But I'm not going to start to freak out and personalize it with those 13 people that died and the one person that's injured.
00:17:46.000I mean, how can I spend my time on the show talking about that when in one operation 200,000 women and children were kidnapped in one year in one region of the Balkans?
00:18:12.000And we usually take, I don't know, about 15 calls a show, some days more, but when I think about 15, you know, that's where you get to talk about whatever you want and mix in whatever you want.
00:18:19.000Normally, the listeners, I've got to commend you, bring up things that are really important.
00:18:23.000And I'm not saying I've got a corner on the market of what is important, but I mean, is 200,000 kidnapped kids that nobody wants to talk about, kidnapped kids and women, is that more important than the girl in Aruba and the 13 people in the West Virginia mineshaft?
00:18:39.000I mean, shouldn't the President be out praying and giving speeches and praying for those 200,000 kids that we're going to send in the Delta Force to save them and every one of these kids need to be released right now, but he can't because his business partners are all involved and because they ship in the male prostitutes, the female prostitutes and other stuff to Bohemian Grove, that's admitted, and because they all like it and they think it's fun and they're all making money off of it.
00:19:03.000That's why I gotta watch a sappy serial killer up on TV, up there talking about some victims in a mine explosion, I guess of natural gas going off, and everybody's gotta get a tear in their eye because the murdering government tells you to?
00:19:21.000I mean, literally, it's mind control, folks.
00:19:24.000It's mind control that we've got 800-plus dead on the U.S.
00:19:28.000border, U.S.-Mexico side, 15 dead cops in last year alone.
00:19:43.000That cop, you know, those federal marshals and cops and everybody else, And sheriff's deputies that are getting killed down there, they're just as important as W. Jones who got killed right here in Austin.
00:19:56.000But see, the government says don't talk about it, so you don't talk about it.
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00:24:28.000But somehow, if the mainstream media isn't talking about it, still, even with Americans that have woken up to a great extent, still, well, it's just not something we should get into, because the media just isn't making it a big issue.
00:24:41.000Let's talk about just, you know, one pervert, Michael Jackson, and not a militarized, mechanized group of them.
00:24:49.000So it just boggles the mind what's happening with Halliburton and Dyncor, and they have lobbyists for white slavery up on Capitol Hill.
00:25:02.000The good news is, though, that groups like, of all places, Soldier of Fortune, four years ago, did two cover stories on it.
00:25:12.000And one of my staff, I had mentioned that yesterday, one of my folks here at the office actually had those social fortunes.
00:26:42.000It says, once powerful lobbyist Jack Abramoff pled guilty to his date of federal charges of conspiracy, tax evasion, and mail fraud, agreeing to cooperate in an influence-peddling investigation that threatens powerful members of Congress.
00:28:14.000See, if we just had martial law, they could do all this and wouldn't get in trouble.
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00:28:55.000I hope I can merit forgiveness from the Almighty and those I've wronged or caused to suffer.
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00:33:13.000Davey, Anthony, Robert, Canyon, Gil, your calls are all coming up here in a few minutes.
00:33:23.000I'm gonna try to not get back into the news until you've taken your calls.
00:33:26.000I mean, I look at this, where now Bush is claiming that Or his surrogates are claiming, his Democratic surrogates, it's all totally staged to that level.
00:33:35.000Pelosi's claiming, oh Bush didn't do anything wrong, the NSA did it on their own.
00:33:39.000Hey, too late, we have all the documents, it's public.
00:33:42.000Bush has been out bragging how he ordered spying.
00:33:45.000But, the average American doesn't have that long of a memory, and so I guess he didn't then.
00:34:13.000So we'll get into that as well after we take some of your phone calls.
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00:42:11.000They know who carried out the terror attacks.
00:42:13.000How many prominent people from Reagan and Bush Sr.
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00:42:20.000So listen, we really are turning the corner.
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00:42:25.000And I want to thank, think about it, we have AM and FM affiliates that have stuck with us When I went on the air on 9-11 and said it was a government op, and the lion's share of our affiliates stuck with us, and now we've gained even more.
00:42:40.000But I mean, think about those stations.
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00:43:22.000And now I get to go on Alan Combs on National Radio in Dallas and Chicago and everywhere and say it.
00:43:28.000Now I get to go on Coast to Coast KM and say it.
00:43:31.000Now they talk about it openly on C-SPAN.
00:43:33.000Because they kept saying the world was flat We kept saying it was round, and we're not going to stop until you child kidnapping, drug dealing, cancer virus splicing trash go down.
00:43:49.000And we don't claim we're going to save the world, but you know what?
00:43:52.000We hate evil and we're going to fight it.
00:44:03.000I don't craft who I am like I'm an artist using a palette of what will make me look the coolest and sell the best to have some type of minor celebrity, you know, in my own world.
00:44:14.000I just do what's right and I don't care if, you know, I walk out of here today and they gun me down.
00:44:20.000I don't care if they walk up and bump into me with a needle and give me cancer.
00:44:53.000Alex, you got me thinking about so many things I don't know where to start.
00:44:58.000You know, after a sermon like that, generally speaking, there was a baptism or two to follow right after.
00:45:07.000Well, I started out to call you yesterday because you mentioned Osama Bin Laden right there at the beginning of the program.
00:45:13.000I haven't got a chance to listen to you much lately.
00:45:17.000You know, you've underscored it so many times, and just in your sermon there, you know, the inside job part of it is, if you say 85% of American people are on board with the fact that it's his inside job, then, hey, you know, it looks like we've got some interesting moments up ahead.
00:45:35.000Well, I'd say about half the population will.
00:45:38.000Most of them are afraid to say it, but they've done national polls.
00:45:41.000Depending on the poll, it's 90 to 50 percent believe that there was some involvement by the government or that they funded it to happen.
00:45:48.000And I'd say about 30 percent know that it's an absolute government op.
00:45:52.000And then there's a certain percentage who just will never wake up.
00:45:55.000I mean, they could watch Bush barbecue small children on the White House lawn.
00:46:12.000Well, yesterday Judy Andreas had a piece I saw on Rent's site about Zionism and Osama Bin Laden's declaration of war, which I've been paying attention to things for quite a while, Alex.
00:46:30.000I was down there at the University of Texas back in the mid-eighties and studied on radical Islam in the Middle East.
00:46:36.000I knew quite a few people from that area of the world.
00:46:39.000I also had Jewish friends and a Jewish roommate while I was there in Austin.
00:46:46.000For all of the people in America and the world who have been hoodwinked, bushwhacked, lied to, called it whatever you want to, it just seems that There's a reluctance on the part of the American people to really and truly forcefully confront the issue.
00:47:03.000And last weekend, you know, over the holidays there, I watched to Helen Beck, you know, the story about Audi Murphy.
00:47:10.000You know, Alex, if I had a time machine, man, I'd go back and you and I would play on the same football team, okay?
00:47:24.000Well, I'm not up on top of tanks shooting Germans.
00:47:28.000Well, in the spirit of the fight, you know, I mean, you've whipped a veritable army into shape, brother.
00:47:35.000You know, I mean, frankly, you've carried the lion's share of the load here the last five or six, eight, ten years, and, you know, you deserve a lot of respect and honor for that.
00:47:45.000But, you know, my parting question rhetorically would be, these fires we see in Texas, Is there any correlation to our, uh, turning our back on our neighbors, the Branch Davidians, when their house was being burned down with them in it?
00:48:01.000And to letting these, you know, international criminal New World Order Gestapo terrorists terrorize the planet?
00:48:08.000By telling the American people lies, we have to do this, you know?
00:48:13.000But they won't go after the real terrorists on this planet, who are the economic terrorists, who print currency Call it money and claim to have authority.
00:48:23.000No, I agree with you, Davey, and I'll say that, yes, it is a law of the universe, God's law, that what comes around goes around.
00:48:32.000Listen, I am afraid to do somebody wrong, unless I'm defending myself, because in my experience, whatever I do comes back on me.
00:48:41.000I guess they call it the fear of God, and these idiots don't have it, and that's why they're so unhappy.
00:48:46.000Anyway... I mean, you get back what you did, and there's no doubt that we're being judged as a nation.
00:48:51.000We're being judged by the leadership we have that is raping the living daylights out of us, literally and figuratively, because we're not standing up against them.
00:48:58.000Hey, if you get a chance for a lighter moment, think about having old Jackie Mason on.
00:49:20.000Alex, when talking at school to professors and what not about the New World Order, I You know, they're reading too much of the Southern Law Center, you know, their propaganda where they say, well, if you believe in the New World Order, that means you're an extreme right-wing Nazi or racist or something.
00:49:38.000Oh, the Harvard newspaper said you should be arrested.
00:49:58.000Yeah, I mean, there's so many cases of it, but I was thinking maybe of trying to clue people in on the shadow government more and more, and you gave me an idea a long time ago on a show I went to like a year ago.
00:50:08.000You said that during Reagan's first campaign, I forgot who he was running against.
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00:56:22.000So he told you conspiracies cannot exist, so he wouldn't do the Abramoff story.
00:56:28.000They don't touch anything and they don't allow us to do it, even though we do a college news show program.
00:56:34.000They totally control all the stories that, you know... Yeah, well I took some RTF and yeah, that's it.
00:56:39.000The government's God, hand in your guns, world government's good.
00:56:42.000Listen, what they teach is world government's good, unless you're against it, then it doesn't exist and you're insane.
00:56:47.000Well, they got to me too late, because now I've watched all your material and I'm a subscriber to the... Well, I mean, what do you say to this buffoon?
00:56:54.000Um, basically, uh, that's just total bull.
00:56:58.000And he basically, like, just smiles at me and lets me, you know, get an A in the class and, uh, Progress but don't really try to challenge them.
00:57:07.000You know, you ought to do a news report.
00:57:08.000Do a news report on Northwoods and Gulf of Tonkin and just have all... Well, they say it's an open news forum and that we could do any related, you know, stories that are in the press but then they spike them at the end of the week when we try to turn them in.
00:57:20.000Yeah, they're teaching you what editors do.
00:57:23.000But the real news story is, you've already hit on them both today, is it's obvious why this minor tragedy story is being handled the way it's being handled.
00:57:31.000The news media is Desperate not to talk about President Indy's takeover and his fine programs, and to avoid talking about the DynCorp scandal.
00:57:47.000I mean, we are in the middle of a takeover.
00:57:49.000Well, I know just this story you had up on your page this morning, the army occupied downtown of Winnipeg.
00:57:55.000All over the western world, they're doing these military takeover drills, and if you go to those drills, they admit it is for martial law.
00:58:04.000But see, if it was just a regular tragedy in this mining accident, it would get one news cycle, now that I understand how that works.
00:58:10.000But if they use a coordinated misinformation tactic with the Bush media management team, then they can send in a squad and interview everybody in town all week and take up the news story headlines all week with a single story.
00:58:23.000That's right, and did they over-react with the SWAT team?
00:58:26.000And then, addedly, will then condition everybody to accept SWAT teams.
00:59:35.000Is that last caller who was holding still there?
00:59:37.000He was mentioning how in his college RTF class he, the uh, the professor teaches him that no conspiracies exist and just tell the people stuff that makes them feel good.
00:59:50.000You were finishing up your other point about you think the whole strike thing was a diversion for what?
00:59:54.000Yeah, just like on 9-11 they shut down the building for so-called upgrades, this gives the LCIA the perfect opportunity to go in the subways and plant, you know.
01:00:04.000bombs to be outright with it and uh... and use that as leverage when they don't agree re-up the Patriot Act.
01:00:27.000I was like, I'm not going to be taught how to not think.
01:00:29.000I'm not going to be taught how to be a slave.
01:00:31.000They would teach us, world government's good, guns are bad, but then in the next class there's crazy people that believe in a world government.
01:00:37.000And I'm like, well wait, this textbook says world government's good, but this one says it doesn't exist.
01:00:41.000And I'm, you know, it isn't going to work anymore, okay?
01:00:56.000I think maybe they're going to sacrifice a few congressmen to save Bush because the general public cannot think on more than one story at a time.
01:01:08.000Well I've said that many times, that either this is a legitimate fight inside the government, whistleblowers going public, But what they'll do is they'll let it go so far to give the illusion of sanity and the illusion of evil getting in trouble to make us all go back to sleep.
01:01:25.000I call it the steam valve, releasing some pressure.
01:01:28.000And yes, they'll burn some of their own people.
01:03:42.000I'm just pointing out that I think the agenda the media gives us is a big fat distraction Or it's a whitewash.
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01:07:16.000And it's a similar headline out of Newsweek.
01:07:21.000And the book, of course, is Jawbreaker, the attack on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, a personal account by the CIA's key field commander.
01:07:31.000And we'll tell you about Gary Bernstein's new book, Jawbreaker.
01:07:35.000That was the name of the particular operation, and then they were blocked from getting the 800, I guess, Special Forces or Rangers, Green Berets, to go in and get them, and that dovetails with Army generals saying that they had Taliban generals and were ordered to release them.
01:07:50.000Or, oh, give the Pakistanis the C-130s and we're going to fly 8,000 Taliban and Al-Qaeda out.
01:07:57.000Oh, we've got a Predator drone with bin Laden in sight.
01:08:02.000And then we have all these other people running around saying, well, we don't want to capture bin Laden because if we do, that will somehow energize the Al-Qaeda.
01:08:12.000I mean that's sarcastic when I say Al-Qaeda.
01:08:14.000I hear these people on talk shows calling them Al-Qaedis.
01:08:45.000Don't bring up Bin Laden, I don't want to hear about him.
01:08:47.000But then I've got to have Viper teams with TSA in Dallas and Houston randomly searching us, demanding to see our IDs on the side of the road and at shopping malls.
01:08:57.000But my border is wide open, and Bush is saying he doesn't care about Usama Bin Laden.
01:09:02.000So going to our guest, And who we really appreciate coming on with us.
01:09:09.000He, again, is the author of the new book, and that is Jawbreaker.
01:09:25.000Just in a nutshell, tell us who you are, what you did, as one of the senior commanders for espionage operations.
01:09:33.000I spent 23 years with the Central Intelligence Agency as a member of its clandestine service.
01:09:38.000During that time, I had served as a Chief of Station, a senior officer in-country, in a number of countries around the world, and also led a number of CIA's most important counter-terrorism responses.
01:09:50.000The book begins, Jawbreaker, in East Africa, with the bombings of our embassies in Nairobi and in Dar es Salaam, and I led the team out there in the response and worked closely hand-in-glove with the FBI As we captured those first Al-Qaeda members, and then we realized that it wasn't Hezbollah, because Hezbollah, you know, the Shias of Lebanon had done a number of large-scale attacks that were like those attacks, and then we realized for the first time that Bin Laden had finally gone big.
01:10:18.000I then am sent into Afghanistan in 2000, a year before 11 September, as part of a six-man team, and I'm working with the Ahmad Shah Massoud people in the Northern Alliance, to try to kidnap and snatch one of bin Laden's key lieutenants.
01:10:35.000Unfortunately, a bit too much risk aversion in the Clinton administration and an unwillingness to keep us on the ground there long enough to do our job.
01:10:43.000Now, is your team going to physically, yourself, snatch and grab one of bin Laden's operatives?
01:10:48.000We would have done it in concert with the Northern Alliance with their intel elements.
01:10:55.000We never got to that final point where we actually were able to execute the plan.
01:10:58.000Would you try to send an entry team into where he was sleeping, or just grab him off the road?
01:11:04.000At that point, the borders there, you get a front line of Al-Qaeda on one side and us on another, but there were other areas that were sort of, areas that were uncontrolled.
01:11:15.000It would not have been impossible to flip people through It would not have been impossible to have Northern Alliance guys, you know, cross the border to visit families.
01:12:28.000There were others that were inside of Afghanistan where we had the opportunity to either kill him or to snatch him, and most of those were run by Shoyer, and in Shoyer's book he talks about that.
01:12:39.000Some of the things haven't been made public, but there was enough of them.
01:12:43.000You know, there was one where he was at the hunting camp, and there was a possibility of firing missiles at him there, but he was being visited by sheiks from the United Arab Emirates.
01:12:53.000What about when we see all those being visited by the Saudis who couldn't touch him?
01:12:57.000What about when we see articles where a special forces colonel goes public and says, we had him cornered in Tora Bora.
01:13:09.000You just said they wouldn't give you... No, there was never any... no one ever said to back off.
01:13:14.000We made significant efforts to conduct airstrikes against him.
01:13:18.000I was the person who was sort of the architect of that effort down there because I sent the first men, eight men, into Nangarhar province.
01:13:25.000And then that eight-man unit met up with warlords that we had arranged to meet in Jalalabad.
01:13:30.000They moved south down to the mountains, the White Mountains.
01:13:33.000We put a four-man team up on top of a mountain over Bin Laden and the thousand people that had fled back with him into those mountains, and commenced the airstrikes for 56 hours, and shredded his, uh, that element that was with him initially.
01:13:47.000Now, sir, sir, sir, Buzzy Krongard, though, who was number three at the CIA, obviously you know that, do you know Buzzy?
01:14:40.000Uh, you know, the, uh, you know, CENTCOM commanders, you know, wanted to do this with airstrikes.
01:14:45.000Well, I'm just trying to understand this, sir, because, I mean, I understand you were there trying to get him, and, and, and tried your best.
01:14:52.000What I'm saying is, Buzzy Krongart, on record, has told several international papers, and has not denied it, that our government, and he was number three at CIA when he said this, that our government doesn't want bin Laden out.
01:15:03.000Now, why is he saying that, and then you're saying something else?
01:15:06.000I have no idea, and he was the Executive Director, which had a lot to do with resources there, but in the Directorate of Operations, we were doing everything possible to kill him.
01:15:15.000I don't know why he would make a statement like that, and it's beyond me how he could make such a statement, because we did receive the air power that we wanted.
01:15:26.000The only thing we didn't get was the soldiers on the ground.
01:15:29.000But sir, you were there in 2001, 2002, and it was still really a hot war.
01:15:33.000It seems like there was a policy change.
01:15:34.000First, Bush is saying, let me just read the quote, he says, this is of course not new information, and it goes on, it says, the most important thing for us is for us to find Osama Bin Laden.
01:15:44.000It is our number one priority, and we will not rest until we find him.
01:15:48.000Then, a year later, it goes to, I don't know where Bin Laden is, I have no idea, and I really don't care.
01:16:13.000We have to operate on the premise that he is still alive and functioning until he is either captured or converted.
01:16:18.000But I mean, really, your gut, your instinct, my instinct and the intel I've got, and I've certainly not been in Afghanistan like you, but talking to other intelligence officers, is that he died of kidney failure in the last few years.
01:16:29.000I mean, he has a dialysis machine living in the mountains?
01:16:32.000I mean... I wouldn't believe... Well, you know, I mean, I was aware of the fact that he was looking for that, but you have to remember, this is a man that has significant resources.
01:16:39.000He could get money, he could get people, he could get things in to keep them alive, I believe.
01:16:43.000You gotta remember, his father was the most wealthy man in Saudi Arabia.
01:16:48.000At one point, 20 years ago, when the Saudi government ran out of funds, his father paid the salaries of all Saudi government employees for six months.
01:16:56.000No, I know, they're as powerful as it gets.
01:17:00.000Okay, so where do you think Bin Laden is then?
01:17:03.000I would assume, I would assume, Uh, that of course, you know, when he fell back across the, uh, you know, the border into Pakistan, there are 25 million Fatans living in, you know, the southern part of Afghanistan, the northern part of Pakistan, along that border area.
01:17:17.000And as part of their code of life is they will not turn in people that have sought sanctuary.
01:17:22.000He also helped them during the Soviet Jihad period.
01:17:41.000The fact is that during the Soviet Jihad, we worked with a lot of commanders and had contact with a lot of people, a lot of individuals there, and so that's not surprising that agency officers may have I've seen him or provided resources.
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01:23:24.000It's, you know, you have to remember that invaders, you know, the British, the Soviets, Anyone that has gone in there over the past, you know, several hundred years has taken a beating.
01:23:34.000And it's tough, it's hard health-wise, and militarily it's a tough place to tame.
01:23:39.000In fact, I saw some stories that the casualties are actually at record levels there now per month for U.S.
01:23:45.000For this year, I think there have been 1,500 people, that's including Afghans, and some losses on the U.S.
01:23:51.000side, you know, fighting Remnants of the Taliban that continue to try to cross back over.
01:23:56.000Now, I mean, isn't this a slogan for Americans to understand?
01:24:00.000But, I mean, when they call it Al-Qaeda in Iraq, or Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, or Al-Qaeda, and then when you actually read the fine print, it's just some other Islamist group.
01:24:09.000I mean, isn't that just kind of a name they slap on it?
01:24:12.000Yes, I think that you are correct in that statement, and that those individuals crossing into Afghanistan are, you know, they're Taliban.
01:24:46.000You have to realize that if you look at the city of Karachi alone, there are over 200,000 students in those madrasas that are receiving You know, the word of hatred against the U.S.
01:24:55.000So there's a never-ending source of people to strap on bombs and to come at us.
01:25:01.000But I go back, sir, to the 1950s when our government, and this is public policy, and obviously you probably know more about this than I do, but it's admitted with Kermit Roosevelt and the rest of them to go radicalize the Muslims because they didn't want strong governments in there.
01:25:15.000They wanted governments that they could control or bulwarks against the Soviets.
01:25:19.000and the Washington Post about shipping in the radical hadiths from the madrasas, and all of this whole cozying up that has been going on.
01:25:30.000And meanwhile, the government's saying, we've got to have the Pentagon spy on the American people or Al-Qaeda's going to get you.
01:25:36.000I mean, number one, what do you think about radicalizing the Muslims in the 50s, or do you deny that?
01:25:42.000No, I think that there were some efforts on the part of the U.S. in its anti-soviet campaign to use the Islamic card And quite frankly, we lit the fuse on that one, because this thing has taken off and has long-term implications that went beyond what anybody would have believed would have occurred years ago.
01:26:06.000And we, of course, the group, you know, the Soviet, the Afghans that participated in the jihad, took from that experience The ability that they could defeat a world power and actually believe they can beat us.
01:27:00.000citizens who are just innocent citizens because we all value those rights.
01:27:05.000But I think that the President recognizes that there is a significant threat that exists within an open society and we are vulnerable internally.
01:27:14.000We have to make sure though that the President needs to reach across the aisle.
01:27:17.000We need to get consensus here, bipartisan consensus, on how we're going to tackle this thing in the United States.
01:27:23.000Okay, Mr. Burns, I know you've got to leave us here in a moment.
01:27:25.000If you can stay a few minutes, that's fine.
01:27:29.000But the thing here is, is that Bush says arrest anybody with connections to Al-Qaeda, but FBI agent Robert Wright got up with the impeachment lawyer and David Shippers and said that he was told, you'll be arrested If you talk about what you know, I'd already interviewed them before they were told they'd be arrested, and that was in the months before 9-11.
01:27:48.000They were told, back off these people or we're going to arrest you, buddy.
01:28:03.000Well, the best you can say is because it's connected to Bush's Saudi friends, he blocked it, but I think it's even worse.
01:28:10.000Yeah, I do believe, though, that the President's intentions on this are not to create a state of siege here in the United States against the public.
01:28:18.000He's trying to defend us against attacks internally, but you've got to be very careful when you're doing this domestically, and you need to have bipartisan support is my recommendation.
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01:32:03.000We don't screen phone calls on this show, so callers call in on a hundred different issues, and we've got the lines always, of course, are loaded.
01:32:11.000My But do this, Scott, go through the calls and see who specifically wants to talk to our guests, because I can go to the other people who want to talk about other stuff, whatever issue, that's fine.
01:32:23.000I just, we don't have a lot of time with our guests, about 15 minutes or so less left, so just go find out Maybe just take the first five.
01:32:31.000Who are the first five wants to talk to the guests out of Canyon and Debbie and Jim and Mike and John and others and find out who has a question for them so we can take calls here in just a few minutes.
01:32:40.000But I talked to our guest during the break, and I said, what is some of the things you want to talk about?
01:34:04.000I'd like to thank those men, their families, and all other Muslim Americans that are serving in the armed forces.
01:34:11.000that are serving in the intelligence community and serving in the FBI.
01:34:14.000There are fine, fine Muslim-Americans that, just like in World War II, when we had Japanese, Italian, and German-Americans stepped up to serve the United States, to fight against fascism, there are a number of Muslim-Americans fighting these radicals.
01:34:29.000Well, Professor Lino Graglia, we have it on video here in Austin last year, said that he thinks all Muslims should be put in internment camps.
01:34:42.000Well, what about the Michael Savage- I'm sorry, go ahead.
01:34:47.000You know, Muslim Americans are serving this country nobly.
01:34:51.000Now, some of their leaders haven't stepped up, but a lot of the Muslim Americans individually are taking huge risks, and we will not win this fight without them.
01:35:01.000We need their linguistic abilities, their knowledge of the culture, we need them on the ground, because it's a very, very complex thing that we're working on.
01:35:10.000You know, right now, this is not just about a battle, you know, a clash of civilizations between Islam and Christianity.
01:35:18.000This is a clash of civilizations within Islam.
01:35:21.000It is a battle between those in the Islamic world that believe that Islam and democracy can coexist together against those that only want an Islamic state, an Islamic dictatorship.
01:35:33.000And we saw what an Islamic dictatorship looks like in the form of the Taliban.
01:35:41.000Now, I'm trying to understand this, though.
01:35:44.000People like Michael Savage, I don't know if you've heard his show, his real name is Michael Weiner, he says that people that disagree with the war should, quote, be put in forced labor camps because we're aiding Al Qaeda.
01:35:57.000And, you know, we hear this drum being beaten that if you're not for everything this administration wants to do, that you're un-American and unpatriotic.
01:36:08.000I believe that in our society we value the opinions of everyone here.
01:36:12.000That doesn't mean that we have to agree with you, or agree with an opposing opinion, but the fact is, you know, we went, and those of us that serve in the CIA, take an oath to support and defend the Constitution.
01:36:25.000That includes all of our basic rights, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, you know, all of that.
01:36:31.000Now, you're a specialist on the Middle East and then on Central Asia, correct?
01:36:38.000Yes, my main focus in my career was that part of the world, yes sir.
01:36:41.000Well, I want to tell you a quick story and then I want to take some calls.
01:36:44.000I was sitting in a Home Depot parking lot about two years ago and I'd read about Mozadek, I'd read about the CIA overthrow there for BP, British Petroleum,
01:36:55.000But I couldn't believe it when I heard Kermit Roosevelt, and I've had John Lopez talk about this as well, FBI counter-terrorism, you may know him in New York there, and he concurred and said it was disgraceful, but here is, on the radio, dead now, it was some interview from the 80s, saying that the CIA went in,
01:37:18.000He bragged with nine guys and a bunch of money, and hired people to carry out bombings and shootings all over the country, and they printed up handbills saying, Mozadek did it, up with communism, and then our government removed him and put the shaw in.
01:37:32.000Now that's public record, so we see stuff like that.
01:37:36.000And so now I guess we have the Iranian regime to, we can thank again our government for helping to cause a chain of events that did that.
01:37:44.000Number one, are you aware of all that?
01:37:47.000In the early years, in the early years, and this was before the Church and the Pike Commissions, in the 50s, you know, the late 40s and the 50s, the agency did things that would not be acceptable by our terms today.
01:38:05.000I can tell you that the CIA is very, very risk averse and no one will do anything without having the lawyers sign off on everything these days.
01:38:13.000Well, why would Kermit Roosevelt just go on the radio and just talk about it like he was talking about a basketball game or something?
01:38:23.000He wrote about a famous... the book he wrote was called Countercoup years ago and those were his efforts to overthrow Mosaddegh and I'm aware of that.
01:38:33.000And much of what went on during that period of time.
01:38:38.000And I can say to you, though, now that, you know, the CIA matured over the years, that we are all very, very mindful of the law.
01:38:46.000We are mindful of the basic rights of folks.
01:38:49.000And I've got to tell you, you know, there's a lot of talk about, you know, CIA torturing people.
01:38:53.000I can tell you, people have lawyers there.
01:38:56.000No one's going to do anything with everything signed off and the Attorney General is going to sign off.
01:39:00.000You know, people are very, very careful.
01:39:02.000But Alberto Gonzales... It's not accurate.
01:39:06.000But Alberto Gonzales said when he was White House Counsel in memos to the Pentagon that if they just don't call it torture, that if somebody dies and they didn't mean to kill them under pressure, then it's not torture.
01:39:17.000So aren't they just changing the name?
01:39:28.000When I was there, we asked people in large groups, if anyone, you know, one by one, you may have saw that Mike Span lost his life doing this in a prison up in Mazar-e-Sharif, and eventually people came forward and volunteered information that stopped the follow-on attacks in Singapore.
01:39:42.000There was going to be 21 tons of explosives used against four embassies.
01:39:45.000Yeah, what about the story, what about the story where early on in the war they had the containers full of the Taliban and they just let them die in the containers and then lined them up and mowed them down?
01:40:06.000You have to remember, there was a small number of Americans, you know, not more than, you know, possibly 400 of us in country at the top end of this during the war, covering an area the size of Texas and California together.
01:40:56.000Well, the thing in Afghanistan was brilliant, I will say, because many, many other people had lost there with large numbers of forces and had all sorts of problems.
01:41:04.000So it was more of an intelligence operation?
01:41:26.000Well, we had human sources that tracked him down there.
01:41:28.000I would have never sent eight men into an incredibly dangerous province, and then four men up into a mountain over a thousand, and if Bin Laden had not been there... Well, sir, I appreciate...
01:41:40.000We picked up a radio wolf of a dead member of Al-Qaeda, and I had CIA's number one Arabic linguist with me, who had listened to bin Laden's voice for the previous four years, who confirmed that it was bin Laden.
01:41:51.000Well, Mr. Bernson, I appreciate you letting me interrogate you.
01:41:53.000I just want to take one or two calls here.
01:41:56.000But my final question for you is just concerning bin Laden in the future.
01:42:04.000Do you think they're ever going to capture Mr. bin Laden?
01:42:08.000I think that, you know, there's an effort politically to sort of just minimize, you know, his importance now, but he is incredibly important, remains important, and there are significant efforts underway to try to finish this.
01:42:20.000Porter Goss, the new director of CIA, is a good man.
01:42:23.000He had three tours as an OPSO officer many, many years ago.
01:42:27.000He is making significant efforts on this.
01:42:30.000I have faith that he is pressing forward on this.
01:42:34.000Okay, now out of all these callers, who should I go to first that's for our guest?
01:42:38.000Alright, I'm going to go quickly callers.
01:42:40.000Debbie in Florida, you're on the air with our guest.
01:42:56.000You know, Zarqawi, here he is important.
01:43:01.000We've had a lot of success capturing a number of his operational lieutenants.
01:43:05.000Abu Zubaydah, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Mohammed Attaf was killed with an airstrike.
01:43:09.000You know, his operational folks have been captured, have been killed.
01:43:15.000So, you know, this is probably one of the reasons we haven't had an attack in the United States, is that the Bush administration has continued the pressure on these guys.
01:43:37.000I just read a book recently and heard a report by, the book was The Elimination of the Elite by, I think, Colonel Martin.
01:43:44.000And he says that in the CIA, it's common knowledge in the 60s that the JFK assassination was done by the CIA.
01:43:50.000And also, if you listen to the shortwave at all, just the other night on John Stattmiller, they had 150 major reasons why 9-11 was an inside job.
01:43:59.000Yeah, we covered that a week ago on the show.
01:44:33.000I interviewed Ben Livingston, who is the father of weather warfare, and has the letters and the photos with him, you know, with LBJ commending him for his secret weather program, and just with seeding, they were able to flood the Vietnamese communist.
01:44:48.000And it's patented and proven, and they could, quote, "stop those hurricanes," but the weather seeding program has been killed, and so that's interesting.
01:45:03.000I would like to know exactly how many sales do you feel that are here located in the United States, and when do you think these groups will actually affect and put those groups Yeah, are there active Al-Qaeda, I mean Al-Qaeda cells, Mr. Bernstein, here in the United States?
01:45:25.000Are they going to get us any minute if we don't give all our rights up?
01:45:28.000You have to assume that Al-Qaeda will be attempting to put people into this country.
01:45:33.000You have to assume that Al-Qaeda will be trying to infiltrate people all around the world to act against our efforts.
01:45:38.000We need to continue to put pressure on this We are living in an age when small groups of people can leverage technology for catastrophic efforts.
01:45:47.000We don't need to sacrifice all of our rights, but we need to continue to build a clandestine service that is robust and healthy and aggressive.
01:45:58.000The Cold War was a big boon for companies and the economy, and now since that's kind of gone by the board, there's this new Islamist threat.
01:46:07.000It's under every bed and every closet and every well.
01:46:11.000It's just creeping around in the woods.
01:46:59.000Let's say that we're sitting here and there's an al-Qaeda terrorist boogeyman with a big tail and a forked tail running around bumming at the mouth.
01:47:09.000And we don't know where he is, so we're just going to randomly federalize local police and have them run around in black Darth Vader gear.
01:47:16.000That's what they do in Miami and Dallas now.
01:47:19.000And we're just going to randomly shake down families and demand to see their IDs.
01:47:37.000Okay, well then give us your take on that.
01:47:39.000Well, the fact is, as I've stated, you need to do human intelligence operations, training a large number of people that will make contact with different people, whether they're in the Middle East or here, and you establish human reporting sources.
01:47:53.000You do it in a professional and a consistent manner.
01:48:51.000There's not Al-Qaeda under every bush.
01:48:53.000These guys are going to need something to do, and I see the government, and I've had Homeland Security local groups on, and they're being taught all threats, that crime is terror, and so... Yeah, I know.
01:49:04.000And oh, well, I've been... That doesn't make any sense.
01:49:09.000And that's not a practical application.
01:49:12.000I'm going to be writing a book on counter-terrorism policy shortly.
01:49:15.000And I'm going to try to lay out some of this, and address exactly some of the complaints that you have, and how we need to do this in a more efficient, effective, and less disruptive fashion.
01:49:26.000Alright, the book is Jawbreaker, and it's in books, bookstores now, or at Amazon.com and all those places, and it's Gary Bernsten.
01:49:34.000We really appreciate you coming on with us today, sir.
01:49:37.000It's been a pleasure being with you, Alex.
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01:52:57.000The End Coming up at the halfway point, we've gone back in our archives and pulled old news articles about DynCorp and others, and some of the horrible things that are involved in the white slavery rings.
01:53:16.000I'm going to have Kevin Smith, who's done some research on this, and pull some of these archived articles for us in here for the last 30 minutes.
01:53:23.000We're going to have open phones now, and for 30 minutes into the next hour, and then we'll cover some of the stories we haven't gotten to, and also recap some of the top stories before the broadcast ends.
01:53:35.000Canyon, and Mike, and Walt, and Charles, and Fred, we're going to get to all of you here in just a moment.
01:54:14.000You're having trouble believing they do this, and that Bin Laden's controlled by them, and it's so easy to have one group of CIA wondering why they can't go after somebody else, and then just fooling themselves of what the other intentions are.
01:54:31.000And it's either or there with the last guy that we had on, but it just makes me sick.
01:54:37.000And then in closing, but we appreciate him coming on, he made a lot of other admissions too about how it's ridiculous to have these Viper teams and how it's to suppress the American people, but he still loves George Bush.
01:54:49.000Yeah, that's all real bad, but I still love George Bush.
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01:56:09.000I have a few topics I'd like to talk about.
01:56:11.000I'll try to get to them all real quick here.
01:56:14.000I've seen a virtually infinite number of ideas here.
01:56:17.000Everyone seems to have their own opinion, and I wonder.
01:56:20.000I personally believe in Jesus Christ and consider him my Savior, but with all the people who consider themselves Christians who say that if you don't believe exactly the way they do you can pretty well go to hell and you're going to hell what is one to believe on what i was just getting started as a believer i would ashamed for being so different than everyone else as far as well
01:56:44.000you got a bunch of religionists who just want to beat you over the head and tell you they've got the specific perfect little way But that's not what Christ did.
01:56:53.000That's not what he was out there saying.
01:56:54.000That's not what he was about being a Pharisee.
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01:58:07.000Alright, we're into hour number three.
01:58:12.000One of our little resident researchers who pops by on a routine basis is Kevin Smith.
01:58:17.000And since I've been talking about Dying Core, he remembered when I was on the TV show four or five years ago, covering Soldier of Fortune news articles.
01:58:25.000They were really one of the only mainstream media sources, if you can call them that, to pick up on the news inside the U.S.
01:58:31.000of Dying Corps systematically kidnapping women and children by the hundreds of thousands.
01:58:36.000And now we have the governor of Illinois going public.
01:58:39.000We have major newspapers writing about it, saying, where are the kids?
01:58:46.000We'll have a national manhunt for one child, but it's just, ah, well, the government's doing it, leaving hundreds of thousands, no big deal.
01:58:53.000We should trust the government and take our freedoms.
01:58:55.000So that's coming up in about 30 minutes.
01:58:57.000I want to take your calls, get into a bunch of other news.
01:59:00.000But right now, let's go back to Canyon in Texas.
01:59:02.000Canyon, you were bringing up, I don't know, saying you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian, but then you see other Christians beating you over the head with their particular sex views.
01:59:15.000And the reason you have all these sex is because somebody wants to be a leader, and so they break off to go create generally.
01:59:22.000It's not always, sometimes it's for the best, but they go break off so they can be their own leader, and then that grows, and somebody else wants to break off with their own group, and so you've got a break of a break of a break of a break of a break.
01:59:34.000Instead of just being Bible-believing.
01:59:36.000And again, now this will turn into some big debate, which I don't want to do.
02:00:25.000Still, he tells you that biometrics is good, and taking a microchip isn't bad, and Bush is good, and the war on terror is good, and the government's good, and now, 700 Club 10 years ago was totally different.
02:00:38.000Now you watch it and say, oh, look at this family.
02:00:41.000They believed in God, so they won the million dollars on the game show.
02:00:47.000Pray to God and you'll find a pot of gold.
02:01:08.000I am legally blind and throughout my education, I guess for about two and a half to three years, I was sitting in a room listening to some cartoon with no real educational value, of course.
02:01:19.000And then in one case, the principal banned me from using a Braille writer.
02:01:26.000What I used to actually write things down.
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02:01:54.000There are so many things you can do, and I would go with what you have a passion for, and I honor you for trying to work and trying to have a job if you're blind.
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02:07:05.000I got to have a steam valve somewhere, folks, dealing with all this serious stuff.
02:07:09.000We're going to talk about DynCorp, the pit of hell demons that will pay.
02:07:13.000That's coming up and kind of do a retrospective of some of their past criminal activities from mainstream news that people seem to not want to know about.
02:07:21.000So that's why you're going to hear about it.
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02:08:07.000Listen, I wanted to bring a subject up and I think it needs to be addressed because Darryl Everhart's been calling in and talking to you about the Catholic Church, and I think it would be an excellent, in their part, in this New World Order.
02:08:21.000And I think it ought to be discussed openly, because really they are the biggest player on the block.
02:08:26.000They've got one of the largest intelligence-gathering organizations in the world.
02:08:30.000They've got their people in government everywhere.
02:08:32.000And I'm not talking about the average Catholic now.
02:08:34.000I'm talking about Political leaders and people that are in positions of power.
02:08:38.000Well, you know, people have called before.
02:09:06.000Or that it's run all by Catholics, or that it's run all by... I mean, it's run by a secret society that is in control of most major organizations, and obviously it's in control of the Catholic Church, with Ratzinger running around, now Benedict, First of all, one question I want to ask you first.
02:09:24.000running around telling us a new world order is good.
02:09:52.000He was a Jesuit professor at Ingolstadt University.
02:09:56.000That's right, he taught Catholic Church Canon Law.
02:10:00.000He was still working for the Catholic Church and started the Illuminati.
02:10:04.000Now if the Catholic Church is not the primary player in the block, how come all the people that were involved in Washington D.C., including the landowners that donated the land that the White House sits on, including the guy named Pope, who owned the land where Washington D.C.
02:10:19.000itself sits, His name, you know, he was also Roman Catholic.
02:10:23.000The Carroll family were the ones that were primarily involved in financing and setting up Washington, D.C., including the guy that did all the paintings and the architecture.
02:11:14.000What I'm saying as far as the power structure is concerned, the power struggle is concerned, the Pope of Rome has been after for 1,500 years.
02:11:24.000What is one of the largest Murdering organizations in the world in the last 1,500 years that still exist in 1940 was responsible for 600,000 to 1,000,000 Serbian Christians and Croatians.
02:11:52.000I said I was going to go to calls quickly.
02:11:53.000Do you realize that if I... You've been going for four minutes.
02:11:56.000Do you realize that if I... Actually, five.
02:11:59.000Do you know if I let you keep going, they won't get to talk?
02:12:02.000Well, okay, I'm sorry, but get Daryl Everhart on your show, if you would please, and have him.
02:12:06.000He has a lot more information than I do, but I think he'd be an excellent subject to cover.
02:12:12.000I just have to be honest with you, and I appreciate the call, that I don't know about Daryl's information, but a lot of what I hear about the Catholics, I happen to have a pretty big grasp, somewhat, of history, and just some of it's not true.
02:12:31.000And it's the same thing with saying Jews run everything.
02:12:35.000Well, I mean, is there a criminal sect, which is actually anti-Jew, that is in control of dominant Judaism?
02:12:48.000You know, any time, I think any time, you know, you say, the Jews are one monolithic thing, or the Catholics are one monolithic thing, or the Protestants are one monolithic thing, I think you really lose the big picture.
02:13:02.000But if we can all agree that, hey, it's bad for Ratzinger, Benedict, to be saying we need a one world government and a new world order, I mean, that's ridiculous and horrible, and I'm saying it's bad.
02:13:13.000Look, we have a world government, it's in our face, let's fight it!
02:13:16.000Instead of just perseverating and obsessing on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, on who is running it.
02:13:37.000I mean, three hundred trillion, folks.
02:13:40.000But they tell you Bill Gates is the richest man in the world.
02:13:43.000The Catholic Church has had great lands.
02:13:45.000The Catholic Church has done a lot of corrupt things.
02:13:46.000The Catholic Church did control empires through the rudders, that is, the maps that told them where to go in the oceans.
02:13:54.000I mean, the Catholic Church, you've got one branch down in Latin America saying, take over America, and La Reconquista, and you've got other branches saying something else, and really I think it's a corrupt, staid, masonically controlled organization.
02:14:11.000I mean, has the Catholic Church done incredibly corrupt things throughout history?
02:15:26.000And see, when you go and you say it's the Catholics, or you go and you say it's the Jews, or you go and you say it's the Protestants, you automatically neutralize the people that are listening who are in those groups.
02:15:38.000And then it's false information, I believe, to say it's one group.
02:17:12.000Is it... you think that the masonry controls the Vatican, or is it the other way around?
02:17:18.000It's... There are technologies of manipulation, secret societies... I know that they paid a lot of homage to the Crusaders, the 9th Templar.
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02:22:30.000And then those technologies got handed down and those secret societies grew and it's basically whoever seizes control of them and whoever controls those networks And so, from day one, in every organization, they're there infiltrating and working to then take it over.
02:22:50.000And they always have other powerful friends in other groups, which are all part of the same structure, who will help them get into power.
02:22:56.000And then they help those guys get into power.
02:22:58.000And so it's like a secret... Look, it's an intelligence agency.
02:23:01.000They didn't call them intelligence agencies 500 years ago.
02:23:07.000And a monarchy, whether it was in France, or Italy, or in one of its nation states, or in Corsica, it didn't matter.
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02:23:36.000That's just, I mean, it's just intelligence operations.
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02:31:45.000I'm going to make a few calls before we end this hour.
02:31:47.000We've got about 26 minutes, well exactly 26 minutes left, and we'll talk to Nathaniel and Ruben, and that'll probably be it.
02:31:55.000We'll have to hold off on calls after those two, because, well, we've got Kevin Smith in studio, and Kevin brought by some DynCorp articles from a few years ago.
02:32:08.000From of all places, Soldier of Fortune, and we've interviewed the Colonel, the head of Special Forces Magazine, Soldier of Fortune, I guess you could call it Mercenary Magazine, and I was also on a national TV show with him that aired on country music television where he talked about it.
02:32:28.000They come for his guns or with the Patriot Act he's going to have a shooting war with them.
02:32:33.000So the magazine does do a pretty good job and they were the first mainstream US magazine to talk about this and they talked about it to a key A key group of people, the military that tends, and police for that matter, law enforcement, that tend to read the magazines.
02:32:52.000So we'll talk about that in just a few minutes, then kind of mesh it with the new reports that are coming out, the confirmed evil that's happening.
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02:36:24.000Now, without further ado, in the last month, I was basically threatened to shut up about DynCorp.
02:36:34.000I haven't been talking about it a lot lately, but I was just told through two different grapevines, military intelligence, they're very angry at you, you better shut up.
02:36:42.000I mean, from very serious sources, and I take those serious, but I don't care.
02:36:48.000I mean, it's actually, that means I'm hurting them and I'm only going to increase the attack now.
02:36:52.000I mean, it's like, Bullies try to intimidate me.
02:37:25.000It means that the people in the slave camps are that much closer.
02:37:29.000They'll probably never release them unless we take over the government and then have to invade these countries.
02:37:33.000Of course, then we wouldn't because it'd be for a real reason.
02:37:36.000But at least we can cut back on the kidnapping.
02:37:40.000And the governor has now come out in Illinois, and said it's disgraceful, it's horrible, why isn't the government stopping it?
02:37:49.000Much less saving the other kids, because it's in the Chicago Tribune, something I didn't even know.
02:37:54.000DynCorp and Halliburton, they're involved too, had a lobbyist on the Hill openly lobbying to have the Pentagon not enforce the law and let them basically run slave camps on their military bases in the Balkans.
02:38:08.000From Bosnia and Herzegovina over into Macedonia and then of course all over the Middle East.
02:38:12.000So for all the sickos that hate Arabs and want to kill them all, well this is white people in Asia that have been shipped to Asia.
02:38:20.000This is white people taken out of Eastern Europe and Central Europe.
02:38:24.000I think they're all just as valuable, but those little Christian kids, they're not Al-Qaeda.
02:38:28.000I know you'll probably say they are and figure out some way to ignore this evil so you don't have to do anything about it.
02:38:34.000But I've got to say that we wanted to go back and thank Soldier of Fortune.
02:38:38.000I did have the Colonel on a few years ago to thank him on air and have him talk about it, but Kevin brought these news articles back in, and so without further ado, Kevin, good to have you in here with us.
02:38:50.000Oh, I would like to say it's a pleasure.
02:38:52.000Of course, this topic doesn't make it that, but you know, this is something we touched on a few years ago.
02:38:56.000It's in your videos and so many things coming at you all the time.
02:39:00.000You know, you kind of tend to move on to the next big story.
02:39:03.000This is something that needs to stay on the front burner.
02:39:08.000You know, I was looking at a forum the other day, and somebody was critical of Waco, and they said, well, those people were, they were running, they were cooking drugs, and they were running guns, and they were molesting children.
02:39:19.000And I thought, now, no, that's the government's business, you know?
02:39:44.000Yeah, and making a choice as an adult is one thing, but when they're defenseless children being kidnapped and You know, not to belittle other people, but you know, healthy white baby, blonde haired, blue eyes, of course there's a premium for that.
02:39:59.000And it's unfortunately a lot of times it doesn't get our attention.
02:40:02.000Go ahead and do the Raising Arizona annotation.
02:40:06.000I myself was worth $50,000 in 1962 dollars.
02:40:10.000You know, we've got to go out there and defend these children.
02:40:12.000It's bad enough when there's sexual predators out there that are doing this, you know, baby eaters, human veal, I like to call it.
02:40:20.000Unfortunately, I don't like to, but that's bad enough when it's an individual.
02:40:23.000But when it's mechanized and it's corporatized, and you know, you know the way corporations work, you can't touch someone in a corporation.
02:40:30.000The corporation shields them from that.
02:40:47.000Of course, like you say, they don't say, hey, what happened to these children?
02:40:50.000But I can remember articles in the past where people were servicing Evergreen 747s, and it's in the night, and 400 children are being marched onto this plane in the middle of the night, and this refueler's like, where are you going with these people?
02:41:02.000There's three or four Child Protective Services people riding herd, and none of your business.
02:41:08.000And he went and checked the manifest, and hey, going to Saudi Arabia nonstop.
02:41:13.000You know, if you don't think we're being treated like cattle, I mean, look at this.
02:41:16.000I mean, we are being treated like cattle.
02:41:17.000Well, that's how it started in Serbia, there in the Balkans, is that DynCorp employees and CIA people and others were just watching planes every day taking off.
02:41:26.000And they just said, hey, I'm not going to go along with this.
02:41:35.000This is, I can't believe there's a market that big that there's that many maggots.
02:41:40.000Yeah, well that's just one small Eastern European country, you know, and there's an estimated 4 million women and children and small boys that work in this industry, if you can call it an industry.
02:42:30.000In the US, good old US of A. 100,000 in the Philippines, 100 in Taiwan, 100 in Brazil, and 35,000 in West Africa.
02:42:37.000And we see these numbers, and you made a quote from Stalin about the story of one person being a story, and a big number is just a fact, or it's a statistic.
02:42:47.000And just try to put yourself and empathize a little bit.
02:42:50.000Defenseless children, you know, that didn't choose this, been stripped away from their family, and you know, what's going to be the end result of this?
02:42:58.000Are these people going to see adulthood?
02:43:00.000You know, if they do, what kind of shape are they going to be in?
02:43:04.000Well, it's well known that a lot of them, when they get pregnant repeatedly or get old and aren't good anymore, they just kill them.
02:43:11.000Or they've got something else for them to move into.
02:43:13.000Most of the people being kidnapped and taken out, a lot of them are being sold and being adopted, and the families just think it's an adoption agency.
02:43:48.000And again, we'll look at the per capita.
02:43:51.000I mean, you know, what kind of size of a country are we talking about?
02:43:53.000Those are small countries, population-wise.
02:43:56.000You know, there was a five-year study, and again, this goes back to 2002, and it was conducted by an NGO called In Child Prostitution in Asia, and they compiled data on 160 foreign males who were arrested by police forces in Asian countries.
02:44:09.000Now remember, there's only 160, so what did these guys do to get arrested?
02:44:13.000Basically, they probably didn't pay, or they killed the child that didn't allow the pimp to continue to make money, so they were arrested, but they revealed the countries of origin.
02:44:23.00040 of the abusers were from the USA, 28 from Germany, 22 from Australia, 19 from the UK, 10 from France, Japan, Canada, Switzerland, Sweden.
02:44:32.000The, you know, Western European nations.
02:44:34.000So, you know, we're looking at abusers from the developed countries going to these undeveloped countries to get You know, again, human veal.
02:44:42.000And I don't understand, you know, what's the attraction of doing this to some defenseless, undeveloped person?
02:44:50.000I mean... Well, bottom line, these are human detritus.
02:44:53.000These are scrofulous maggots that all need to be executed.
02:44:57.000But the bigger point is, why is our government condoning this when it's all illegal?
02:45:04.000Why are they giving DynCorp and others these contracts?
02:45:07.000And it shows That, you know, Nero had all the power and he would kill a little boy almost every morning.
02:45:14.000And this is in mainstream history books.
02:47:05.000You know, Alex, we're not going to be able to cure society of all itsills and the depravity of individuals out there, but we sure shouldn't be rewarding these industrialized syndicates I mean, isn't it enough that DynCorp gets the no-bid, sole-source contracts for vaccinations?
02:47:21.000Isn't it enough that they get probably close to a billion dollars a year to spray defoliants all over, you know, northern, the northern part of South America, Colombia, Ecuador, which they're being sued for right now.
02:47:32.000I mean, isn't, isn't it enough that they have all these private security contracts?
02:47:40.000I mean, if it's this evil now, out in the open, when lobbyists for white slavery openly, then what is it going to be in five years?
02:47:47.000Maybe they will, like, the police will scoop us up in nets, and it'll say, American beef, or, you know, long ham, and it'll be human in the grocery stores.
02:47:58.000And, you know, I mean that sarcastically, but that's the only thing that could be worse at the next level.
02:48:04.000Just, I mean, this shows you who the government is.
02:48:08.000Again, everybody should be like the governor of Illinois, who's standing up and writing letters to the editors saying something needs to be done.
02:48:15.000I mean, again, they'll have national freakouts over one kidnapped woman, but this is just like, eh, don't talk about it.
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02:52:13.000She brings up two other key issues, trillions missing, and she only brings up a small amount of that, and then she brings up NORAD Stand Down.
02:52:27.000Mr. Secretary, I watched President Bush deliver a moving speech at the United Nations in September 2003, in which he mentioned the crisis of the sex trade.
02:52:41.000The President calls for the punishment of those involved in this horrible business.
02:52:46.000But at the very moment of that speech, DynCorp was exposed for having been involved in the buying and selling of young women and children.
02:52:55.000While all of this was going on, DynCorp kept the Pentagon contract to administer the smallpox, manthrax vaccines, and is now working on a plague vaccine through the Joint Vaccine Acquisition Program.
02:53:09.000Mr. Secretary, is it policy of the U.S.
02:53:12.000government to reward companies that traffic in women and little girls?
02:53:17.000My second question, Mr. Secretary, according to the Comptroller General of the United States, there are serious financial management problems at the Pentagon, to which Mr. Cooper alluded.
02:53:29.000Fiscal year 1999, $2.3 trillion missing.
02:53:31.000Fiscal year 2000, $1.1 trillion missing.
02:53:38.000is the number one reason why the government can't balance his checkbook.
02:53:43.000The Pentagon has claimed year after year that the reason it can't account for the money is because its computers don't communicate with each other.
02:53:51.000My second question, Mr. Secretary, is who has the contracts today to make those systems communicate with each other?
02:53:59.000How long have they had those contracts?
02:54:02.000And how much have the taxpayers paid for them?
02:54:05.000Finally, Mr. Secretary, after the last hearing, I thought that my office was promised a written response to my question regarding the four war games on September 11th.
02:54:16.000I have not yet received that response, but would like for you to respond to the questions that I've put to you today, and then I do expect the written response to my previous question, hopefully by the end of the week.
02:54:34.000The answer to your first question is no, absolutely not.
02:54:39.000The policy of the United States government is clear, unambiguous, and opposed to the activities that you described.
02:54:49.000The second question... Well, how do you explain the fact that DynCorp and its successor companies have received and continue to receive government contracts?
02:55:04.000I would have to go and find the facts, but there are laws and rules and regulations with respect to government contracts, and there are times that corporations do things they should not do, in which case they tend to be suspended for some period.
02:55:19.000There are times then that under the laws and the rules and regulations passed by the Congress and implemented by the executive branch, that corporations can get off of That's good.
02:55:48.000But, I mean, listen, he doesn't even deny it.
02:55:51.000It's just, oh, you go in a penalty box, which they never were even in.
02:55:53.000So next time somebody kidnaps a bunch of kids, you say, well, why not have them go on the news and go, hey, I'm Don Gore, and the cops will go, hey, let him on out.