Alex Jones is back in Austin, TX talking about Bush's torture memos, 9/11, Iran's nukes, and more. Alex Jones is a long time radio host and host of the Conspiracy Theories show on the Global Conspiracy Network (GCN) Radio Network. He is a regular contributor to the New York Times, CNN, CBS, and other media outlets.
00:00:47.000I was, of course, on Coast to Coast AM last night.
00:00:49.000I thought it was an excellent three-hour broadcast that I was able to be involved with George Norrie and the second biggest radio show in the country.
00:01:00.000Always honored to be a part of that, and we discussed the Cashless Society control and tracking grid, and I don't think I've ever heard that much information come out in mainstream media in a major venue on the subject.
00:01:14.000So that was very informative, and I want to go back over, kind of an overview of just how serious this is today, spend maybe 10 minutes on it.
00:01:22.000We also talked about the new infiltration of the Bohemian Grove, the new footage that's in the new documentary, The Order of Death.
00:01:30.000And then also, Nori wanted to talk about Iran quite a bit.
00:01:36.000And listen, we need to talk about Iran again today.
00:01:39.000So we'll do that throughout the three hours because it's so important and just some huge new developments coming out on that front.
00:01:49.000And front by front, I mean, pun intended, we are very close to that.
00:01:54.000We have the Professor Castle, who debated John Yoo, one of the White House advisors that wrote memos that Bush could torture children in front of their parents and crush their body parts.
00:02:30.000Even better, much better than the first, and we're carrying it here at InfoWars.com, here on Real Talk Radio, real issues of significance that actually affect you and your family.
00:02:46.000I got an email the other day going, you know, I've heard of another show called Real Talk Radio.
00:02:49.000Alex, uh, well, you know, I called the show that six, seven years ago, five years ago.
00:02:53.000I even had t-shirts printed up that said it.
00:03:16.000Now they're claiming the bombing last week in Pakistan, big victory.
00:03:19.000That's right out of the neocon Republican strategy book where they said we need victories, even if they're fake, or another terror attack to get the people behind our agenda.
00:03:31.000And I heard the neocons today on the radio running around foaming at the mouth celebrating over it.
00:04:03.000Everybody thinks we're about to be nuked by the Iranians, and I believe the globalists probably will detonate a weapon and blame it on them so that you can live in a police state.
00:04:10.000But it isn't going to be Iranians kicking down your door wearing black masks with MP5 submachine guns.
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00:04:18.000It isn't going to be Iranians feeding you genetically engineered food that's very bad for you.
00:04:21.000It isn't going to be the Iranians trying to force-inoculate you.
00:04:26.000If it feels good to hate the Iranians, even though people that hate them don't even know anything about the country, then c'est la vie, folks.
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00:08:14.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:18.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:08:22.000Just in the last few hours, there are global reports coming out.
00:08:37.000I have one here from the Associated Press, Reuters, you name it.
00:08:41.000That Osama bin Laden warns of new attacks, but he offers a truce.
00:08:48.000And I might as well say the Sandman threatens more attacks and offers a truce.
00:08:53.000Or maybe Rumble Stillskin warns of attacks but offers a truce.
00:08:58.000Or perhaps I should say a false of doom.
00:09:02.000He doesn't really exist outside of Robert E. Howard, Conan the Barbarian books, but perhaps Thulse of Doom is threatening us and he's going to get us any minute.
00:09:14.000Of course, just like a jack-in-the-box, Bin Laden pops out to scare us right on the eve of airstrikes on Iran that could come any day or any month or any year now.
00:09:25.000You don't know when they're going to strike, but it looks like sooner than later and right out of the box comes Osama Bin Laden.
00:09:32.000Three and a half years ago, they tried the fat man.
00:09:34.000There was a fat guy with a nose about twice the size of Bin Laden's, looked absolutely nothing like him.
00:09:41.000And the CIA said it's off the neck and Bin Laden's going to kill us all.
00:09:49.000And then, over and over again, they will re-air old Bin Laden tapes, re-edited.
00:09:53.000Everyone knows it's the same cave from four-plus years ago.
00:09:58.000And then, a day later, there'll be a little retraction, just a small little, oh, that was an old re-edited tape.
00:10:03.000But the general public saw it as, Bin Laden is back.
00:10:06.000They did a voice-print analysis of the fat Bin Laden, and It was not Bin Laden because you can have a hundred percent voice print.
00:10:16.000You can take the real voice of Bin Laden from interviews and tapes and make a code key to open a pass lock on a voice recognition software system.
00:10:28.000And then you take the voice of the fat Bin Laden, and of course the CIA turned down the lights so it would be a little bit blurry and all the rest of it, but The French, a major university in Canada, US researchers, they all took the voice and tested it, and it wasn't even near the biometric access code of the voice pattern of Osama bin Bush, bin Laden, al-Qaeda.
00:11:13.000And you can go read all the mainstream news articles about that, but again, those are the news articles that are in a few newspapers, and are maybe on a few news wires, but never make the big nightly news.
00:11:23.000But, of course, last week they said that over the weekend they had killed the number two Al-Qaeda man, Ford Bin Laden.
00:12:16.000To get people back behind what we're doing, our scams.
00:12:21.000And they said a terror attack would really be great, or we could capture Bin Laden or claim we killed him, or that we're killing his lieutenants.
00:12:27.000And so you see those policy papers being carried out, being executed.
00:12:42.000Bin Laden warns of attacks, offers truce.
00:12:46.000Al Jazeera on Tuesday broadcast portions of an audio tape purportedly from Osama Bin Laden saying, Al Qaeda is making preparations for attacks in the United States, but offering a possible truce to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan.
00:13:01.000The voice on the tape said, "...security in the United States is not the reason there have been no attacks since September 11, suicide hijackings.
00:13:09.000Instead, the reason is because there are operations that needed preparations," he said.
00:13:24.000There are things like Al Arabia and a whole bunch of other channels that are 50 times more hardcore.
00:13:30.000I mean, just better reports, more information.
00:13:35.000I mean, look, when the British government makes Al Jazeera a major channel and is supporting it, and the Queen of England's giving interviews to it, and David Frost, the little Royal Institute of International Affairs frontman, goes to be their host and their anchor, you know there's a problem.
00:13:53.000They've got to be able to talk to the billion Muslims and convince them to be good little slaves so they have to build credibility for Al Jazeera.
00:14:00.000And there's literally a hundred different points that prove this without a shadow of a doubt that they're fronts.
00:14:06.000But one of the big ones is Bush wanting to bomb them and then that gets released by Blair cabinet officials and oh Bush is an idiot and Tony Blair to talk him down.
00:14:16.000Folks, if you believe that, I got a bridge I want to sell you.
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00:14:30.000This is how they have to create a false choice.
00:14:33.000It's like Bill Clinton and George Bush vacationing together and having 11 meetings right before the election, before Clinton even ran back in 1991 and Clinton going to Bilderberg Group.
00:14:45.000And then he's a known intelligence asset right out of high school.
00:14:50.000Royal Institute of International Affairs, CFR, he went to their Rhodes Scholarship, which is total British intelligence.
00:14:59.000I mean, the Rhodes Scholarship is the prototype of MI5, MI6.
00:15:06.000I mean, it is to expand the British Empire.
00:15:09.000And then now people never could believe me on that when I interviewed the CIA agents who were there watching the cocaine be unloaded for years.
00:15:16.000Bill Clinton pulling up and overseeing operations.
00:15:44.000I mean, Kennedy, a month before he was killed, at a major university, and you can go read these transcripts out there, said, a secret government's in control, it's totally evil, I'm gonna abolish the CIA and the Federal Reserve, and he signed the executive orders to do it, and had our troops on the way back from From Vietnam when they blew his head off in Dallas.
00:16:07.000So it's the same crew, it's the same crowd, and it's totally staged.
00:16:11.000And until we hear that Ahmad Chalabi We hear that, you know, he's a convicted bank robber, and he was a Iranian torture master, and he's all these things, but oh, he's the good guy, and then he's the bad guy, and he's giving stuff to Iran, and then he flies to the U.S.
00:18:04.000And I've got articles right here where respected editors, secular editors over there, are given thirty years by the puppet government if they write an editorial criticizing the occupation.
00:18:17.000And then they'll go, well this is a war, Alex, and we gotta... Wait a minute, I thought you... but the other day you were saying that it's freedom and look at the... look at the beautiful free press they've got!
00:18:27.000And don't you understand that fake press is used here domestically.
00:18:30.000The Pentagon admits, with the Pentagon Office of Strategic Information, the Pentagon Office of Strategic Influence, excuse me, that they are openly planting fake news stories.
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00:24:15.000Coming up next hour, we've got Professor Castle.
00:24:18.000Coming on to talk about John Yoo, one of Bush's top advisors, saying Bush can torture small children in front of their parents.
00:24:26.000Oh, by the way, Scott, don't forget to find that clip that we played last week of their exchange so we can play that on air.
00:24:32.000Just giving you a heads up to dig that out of the computer that's probably got, I have no idea how many clips in it.
00:24:38.000But on this whole Iran situation, Iran's new confidence You know, they're just gotta be nuked.
00:24:46.000They're evil because they've got nukes.
00:24:49.000And Rumsfeld and others have said they don't rule out using tactical weapons, tactical thermonuclear weapons to, quote, knock out these deep bunkers, these facilities.
00:25:18.000But it doesn't matter, they've got a steady stream of government agents and operatives to go on TV and Christina Amanpour to misquote the Iranian president.
00:25:29.000Listen, last night I was on Coast to Coast AM and a couple callers called in and go, well he just threatened to nuke Israel!
00:25:35.000Well, what do we... Alex, I agree with you on a lot of stuff, but... A man called in and said that?
00:25:51.000You understand CNN with ITN and others, back in the mid-90s, went and showed one starving guy up at a fence, who had a disease, trying to break into the food pantry at an aid station.
00:26:15.000I know you're going to have debates around the water cooler or out there on the job site with people that are like, he said he'd nuke Israel!
00:26:30.000Most of the things you hear the Iranian President has said is not true.
00:26:35.000And I'm not even defending the Iranian President.
00:26:37.000Last night I kept trying to explain my position on Iran.
00:26:41.000I'm like, the top Chinese General, on record, last year, late last year, remember?
00:26:48.000He called together over a hundred top reporters, said there's going to be a press conference in one week.
00:26:54.000Wall Street Journal, Financial Times of London, CNN, Time Magazine, they're all there!
00:26:59.000And he says, if you get involved in Taiwan, you get involved in any of our possessions, any of our national interest, anywhere in the world, we are targeting 200 of your cities and we will preemptively, that is with no provocation, without telling you, hit you first And kill half of your population.
00:27:21.000By the way, 90% of the American people live in cities.
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00:35:26.000The law has already been struck down that websites have no responsibility to keep teenagers or children from accessing porn on the internet.
00:35:37.000And as out of control as it is on the web, I don't like being sent, you know, emails that say, your mortgage numbers, or your bank, or, hi, it's your mother, and you click on it, and it's a woman with a horse.
00:35:48.000I mean, you know, we've all been on the internet, run into that.
00:35:53.000That could all be dealt with through ISPs.
00:35:56.000If you actually complain and do something, people will get shut down.
00:36:08.000This is the same White House where we have congressional hearings where they admit hundreds of thousands of kidnapped women and children into sex slavery and physical slavery, work camp slavery, public.
00:36:19.000Chicago Tribune, MSNBC, Associated Press just three weeks ago.
00:36:29.000Public, massive, twilight zone level, totally insane.
00:36:33.000And meanwhile, uh-oh, we've got to, uh, we've got to have all the search records of Google, of everyone, uh, without a warrant, just set the precedent when the law they're talking about has been struck down by the Supreme Court to make sure, uh, and to get some statistics about, uh, if you're searching for random other issues, like you, You know, type in, say, auto loan, are you getting porn?
00:37:20.000I mean, there is no way in the world That my children are going to have computers unattended till they are, you know, at least partway through high school.
00:37:32.000And I don't care if you see 10 year olds on the street with their own personal handheld Palm Pilots, surfing to their heart's content.
00:37:41.000Listen, my children aren't going to be getting cars till they're a little bit older, or until they've proven they can drive safely.
00:37:46.000I have no idea why I was allowed to have a car at 16.
00:38:32.000We can torture children in front of their parents, but we want to have all your search records to keep kids safe when it doesn't even do anything.
00:38:38.000They say just so they know data-wise, so they can get search engines in trouble if they're directing people wrong, which they don't do.
00:38:49.000This is just federal control into everything you've searched, everything you're doing.
00:38:54.000And let me just give you a news flash.
00:39:40.000Number two, all they're doing is announcing it.
00:39:42.000They're announcing, we have total power, we can spy on you, it's for your own good, it's to stop Al-Qaeda, Bin Laden wants to call America, shouldn't we be able to listen?
00:39:51.000They don't even need a warrant for that, folks.
00:39:52.000The FISA isn't even a warrant, it's a rubber stamp.
00:40:34.000My point is, they got a right to do that.
00:40:37.000Folks, I was on George Norrie last night.
00:40:39.000I had 127 articles that I physically went through my stacks from the last few weeks, because I print everything as a hard copy.
00:40:46.000All these mainstream news articles, and I got through about 10 of them, and he said, okay, stop, stop.
00:40:50.000And it was just NSA listening to everything, NSA watching reporters, NSA using it for political control, FBI harassing war protesters, harassing gun groups, just military taking photos of citizens all over the country.
00:42:06.000Google's already worked with China to selectively edit where you can't even do searches in China, in-country, through those web ports and hubs.
00:42:16.000It's just like MySpace with Rupert Murdoch.
00:42:18.000Live time, you criticize Rupert Murdoch, you type, nothing will post.
00:42:23.000You talk about any of Rupert Murdoch's CityCorps holdings, or talk about any other competition, you can't type it on your own supposed blog, because it ain't your own blog!
00:42:38.000They came and bought up a 38 million size community, and I've talked to the Myspacers walking around, falling all over themselves, talking about how trendy they are.
00:42:46.000I mean, they'll actually walk over to you and go, it's the most trendy thing ever.
00:42:49.000I'm like, yeah, man, it's real trendy.
00:43:18.000Debbie Morrow, thanks for holding there graciously.
00:43:21.000Haven't had you on in a week or so, and I believe in Made in America products, and I believe in New Millennium Concepts, Made in America, highest quality, gravity-fed filters.
00:43:31.000You also are the national distributor, meaning at the lowest price, on the British Bergfeld.
00:43:37.000And you've got a bunch of deals for us, Debbie.
00:43:39.000Yes, I do, and thank you for having me, and I don't mind holding it all, because it gives me an opportunity to hear you.
00:43:46.000Well, I know you're busy, but just be honest with me, Debbie, because I want your real response.
00:43:59.000Oh yeah, I mean I wish I could listen more, but absolutely, because it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you believe in the issues, it's whether or not we have the right to protest.
00:44:11.000You know, I mean, when did we lose the right to be Americans?
00:44:15.000You know, stand on the corner with a picket sign or something, and that's the whole issue.
00:44:20.000It's not whether or not you believe in what these people are picking about, but we do believe that we have the right to do it, you know, and that's what's been taken away from us.
00:44:30.000We don't have the right to be Americans anymore.
00:44:33.000And then they say it's to stop Al Qaeda, but it has nothing to do with it.
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00:47:47.000Right, and if you think you're safe because you're on rainwater or well water, you know, don't believe it.
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00:48:38.000Debbie, thank you so much for coming on.
00:49:14.000I was at my local friendly neighborhood Veterans Hospital, Administration Hospital yesterday.
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00:49:25.000I was looking through it, through my medication, and my friend was, and he found, we found embossed in some of our pills was a small metallic substance, like we broke it apart and was looking at it, and some of the, I think they're RFIDs, like in the medication or something.
00:50:17.000Yeah, they do use RFID in the bottles.
00:50:21.000I've been reading on them some of those, what is it, Class 3 narcotics, but prescription narcotics.
00:50:27.000Percocet's one of them, but I didn't know it was in the pills.
00:50:31.000Yeah, he found it in his pill, but also there's some other stories I have about some of my friends who were in Afghanistan and Iraq about Having snipers come after them and stuff like that.
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00:54:16.000Finish up what you were saying, some of the stories over with your friends in Afghanistan.
00:54:19.000Yeah, I have some friends who got back from Afghanistan, and while they were over there, told me stories about they, you know, they wouldn't run into resistance, but all of a sudden they'd get calls over the radio of, you know, like guys called, you know, Pashtun and, you know, speaking English.
00:55:08.000And I say in my sixth SAS is assigned to them, Special Air Services, dressed up in fake beards, driving around with car bombs, shooting cops, shooting our allies.
00:55:17.000It's because the PNAC document, the Israeli document of 83, even before that, says civil war, balkanization, they want a problem to stay there.
00:55:28.000So you're saying your buddies who were over there are starting to figure that out?
00:55:30.000Yeah, and there's one, every time there's an Israeli advisor in their company or platoon, They always get ambushed.
00:55:38.000Every time they go into an area that's not supposed to have anybody in it, it's totally cleared out and set up with traps and everything.
00:56:00.000Listen, there are real bombings going on with some real killing, but what will happen is our government, or the Israelis and the British, and they've been caught, will carry out a bombing against one group, say, of Shia.
00:56:09.000Then they really will go run and attack some Sunnis, or they stir it up.
00:56:16.000Well, Blackwater doesn't have any Israeli advisors.
00:56:18.000And once they kicked them out of their ranks, they haven't had any sneak attacks.
00:56:23.000They haven't had as many deaths as the Marines have.
00:57:48.000We have to... Well, I'll tell you, crying is the real response of a real man when he realizes murdering terrorists are in control of the government and everything's a complete fraud.
00:57:58.000But I'll tell you, the good news is the people are waking up and even if the globalists carry off a nuke in this country, all the king's horses and all the king's men aren't going to be able to put the new world order back together again.
00:58:09.000I'm telling you, they've already lost and they're just starting to figure it out.
00:58:13.000They're just starting to figure it out.
00:59:05.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
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01:08:09.000A great American, Professor Doug Castle, debated a pig demon.
01:08:14.000And I don't normally call names, but folks, somebody who goes, yeah, we can torture small children and crush their testicles in front of their parents is a pig demon.
01:08:28.000And I just learned it was Stephen Bybee that actually wrote the memo saying that.
01:08:33.000uh... but then it was uh... it was uh... it was john you another one of these uh... uh... those palestinian creatures who said yeah the president there's no treating do that if he wants i mean this is it isn't in the president can barbecue small children on the white house lawn the president can snort cocaine off the backs of uh... uh... topless dancers on in the oval office on national tv no he can't do that and again he is it to a higher standard okay i want to go to our guest on the show
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01:10:45.000Bush Adviser says President has legal power to torture children.
01:10:49.000John Yee publicly argued that there is no law that could prevent the President from ordering the torture of a child or a suspect in custody, including by crushing that child's I hate to tell you, we don't talk like this on the show, but when the President's people are putting these in memos, you've got to talk about it.
01:11:04.000It's like Gonzalez, now Attorney General, says they don't need warrants to spy on you.
01:11:08.000I mean, that ought to scare everybody.
01:11:10.000That's a felony every time they do that.
01:11:12.000This came out in response to a question in a debate in Chicago with Notre Dame professor, international human rights scholar, Doug Castle, who's on with us now.
01:11:22.000And he brought up some of these White House memos.
01:12:11.000Well, we're in one of those periods when the executive branch is going off the rails, and the purpose of my questioning Professor Yu, who's now a professor at Berkeley in California in the law school, about the idea of torturing a child, was to really draw out the unstated implications of this Justice Department memo, of which he was, although it was signed by Stephen Bybee, it was actually authored by John Yu.
01:12:37.000And in that memo, which was directed in August of 2002 to then-Presidential Legal Counsel Alberto Gonzalez, now the Attorney General, the basic line of argument from the Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel, which is the official legal advisor to the executive branch, was that whenever the President thinks he needs to do something in order to win a war, he can do it, and no law and no treaty can stop him.
01:13:05.000Now when you read that, sort of in the general and the abstract, it sounds like they can't really mean to do anything.
01:13:12.000So I thought I would try to see just how far you would take it in the Chicago debate last month.
01:13:18.000And as you have reported, he did indicate that if it involved torturing someone, well, the president could authorize that.
01:13:26.000I said, well, what if the guy doesn't talk after you torture him?
01:13:29.000Can you torture his child in front of him, including by crushing The testicles, and his answer was legally yes.
01:13:35.000Now to be fair to Professor Yu, he says he's against crushing the testicles of children.
01:13:41.000He doesn't think it would be a good idea, but legally he claims the President can do it.
01:14:27.000Years ago, I was legal advisor to the UN Truth Commission in El Salvador, and we had Evidence there that one of the torture techniques used in El Salvador, and there are also reports of this in Chile, is to torture people's children, or in some cases their wives.
01:14:42.000But that isn't Saddam, that's Negroponte's death squads.
01:15:02.000Well, Negroponte was the United States Ambassador in Honduras during the early 1980s at a time when Honduran death squads were operating, and the official State Department human rights reports on Honduras at the time did not give any indication that the State Department was aware that the government was backing death squads, let alone that American intelligence agents were involved in some of these interviews where people were tortured And then killed.
01:15:31.000That's not the info I've gotten from our guests and people that were there.
01:15:34.000Negroponte supposedly was the prime mover on a lot of that.
01:15:39.000And we know that at the School of America, they trained those very Latin American countries.
01:15:44.000I've had Special Forces commanders on here who trained to put electrodes on the genitalia.
01:15:50.000I'm not saying Negroponte wasn't involved.
01:15:52.000I'm saying that he was there that the official documents did not disclose what one would have to think is highly likely that he must have known at the time.
01:16:02.000As far as I know, we don't have any evidence admissible in a court that would prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
01:16:10.000Regardless, we have this memo by John Yoo.
01:16:15.000I mean, but imagine just how, I mean, so describe the scene.
01:16:18.000You're in there and you're having this discussion, this debate.
01:16:21.000I mean, describe it for us, Professor.
01:16:23.000Well, this was a debate on the subject of torture as used against terrorism, sponsored by the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations.
01:16:31.000It was held on December 1st in Chicago.
01:16:35.000It was just Professor Yu and me and a moderator on the stage, and basically the questions went back and forth, and one of the questions, as I indicated earlier, was designed by me to see if Professor Yu would take it so far as to say that the President could torture children, and as we've indicated, that was exactly what he said as a matter of law.
01:16:59.000I'm going to play that clip when we get back, but the Council on Foreign Relations, how many of those guys were in attendance?
01:17:05.000It was held actually in a club in Chicago, because this is part of their outreach program to younger members.
01:17:11.000I would say that in the audience, probably 150-200 people.
01:17:16.000Yeah, because I had read that somehow there were thousands of students watching, and I guess there must be a tape of it that was shown then at a college, because I'm getting conflicting reports here.
01:17:25.000But okay, so you've got junior CFR members there.
01:17:28.000I mean, were they disgusted, or did people stand up and go, Yes!
01:17:34.000No, the people who were at the crowd, while they didn't, I don't know that they specifically commented on that, just in general it was clear.
01:17:43.000that uh... about ninety percent something like that of of the crowd was uh... was uh... opposed to the line of argument but i don't know if it was a and i'm probably opposed to joseph mingola and jeffrey dahmer and ted bundy too i think that might get up to ninety one percent yeah i mean i i mean listen if i was there's money was saying crushed the uh... we can crush children's genitalia i'd say hey get out of here punk you're assuming i i would stand up and yell at him but this was a this was a very polite crowd there was no
01:18:16.000The recording that's now on the internet was apparently done by someone in the audience whose method of protest was to make sure that what was said actually got out into the internet.
01:18:25.000Oh, that's right, because a lot of these CFR meetings, they sign non-disclosure agreements.
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01:22:48.000I read several articles about this exchange in Chicago and I didn't even know it was a A CFR branch meeting and I was just talking to the professor during the break.
01:23:14.000Most of the local CFR meetings are open to the public in Chicago.
01:23:17.000They just have the secret ones mainly.
01:23:25.000But, so the professor was telling me during the break, and right before break, he also said on air he was surprised by getting there, and I guess they told him it was off record.
01:23:35.000Well, the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations, which is a formally independent organization from the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, but they cooperate on a lot of matters.
01:23:44.000I've been to many of their programs, and in my experience, they are generally, not always, but generally open to the public and on the record when you're talking about a large program like this one with about 200 people present.
01:23:58.000One of the things that we've been doing is When I got to this one I was made to realize, maybe they had told me before and I paid no attention, but I was made to realize that this one was Off the record, in the sense that there was no recording and no transcript being taken of what was being said.
01:24:17.000And later on, it turned out that someone who was in the audience apparently recorded the debate and has put at least portions of it on the internet.
01:24:26.000Yeah, we've got that up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
01:24:29.000We'll play that coming up in the next segment.
01:24:30.000And we're going to have Kevin Smith, who got video, we put it on TV locally, where they had an official CFR meeting, but it was public as well.
01:24:38.000And where they said things just as amazing as what we've caught on tape here.
01:24:42.000But, Professor, getting into the psychology, I mean, you study this.
01:24:45.000You've been an advocate for human rights and people's liberties for a long time.
01:24:50.000I've done some research on you, and what you've done is admirable.
01:24:54.000I mean, I know you've read the memo that they'd penned, but to actually hear him go, yeah, we can do that.
01:25:00.000Well, I was shocked when I first read this August 2002 memo, which I first read when it became public for the first time after Abu Ghraib in about June of 2004.
01:25:11.000I was shocked then because I never thought, as a human rights lawyer who goes around the world trying to do what we can to prevent and to punish people who commit torture, I never thought that I would have to be debating in my own country.
01:25:28.000uh... the idea that it's okay for the president to authorize torture uh... so that the shock for me really came back in two thousand four when it became obvious on reading this memo that uh... torture at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere was not merely a matter of some low-level uh... soldier or prison guard going going haywire but was a matter of high-level Official policy.
01:25:51.000Yeah, the memos went out to the Pentagon and they gave it to the officers and they had the private wings, and we interviewed Janice Karpinski, who wouldn't play ball with them, she wasn't even allowed in those wings of the prisons, and they tried to blame her for something she hadn't done when she didn't go along with it.
01:26:06.000The August 2002 memo, which by the way has now been officially revoked by the Justice Department after it became public and became very embarrassing.
01:26:14.000But we got this big lawyer who works for them still defending it.
01:26:18.000Well, not only is this lawyer who worked for them, he's now out of government and a professor is still defending it, but when they revoked it, they reissued a new memo in December of 2004.
01:26:30.000But that new memo did not withdraw all the claims made in the August 2002 memo, and one of the claims it did not withdraw was the very wanted issue here.
01:26:40.000And now Steve Bybee, he is now a federal judge, right?
01:26:43.000Steven Bybee, who was then an official in the Justice Department, was since elevated to the federal bench by nomination of... And so they're stacking the executive agencies and the judiciary with these ghouls.
01:26:59.000Well, I don't know Mr. Bivey, so I don't know whether I would call him a ghoul.
01:27:04.000Well, you said he signed off on used... He signed off on used memo.
01:27:09.000To be fair to Mr. Bivey, he was not present at the exchange about crushing children's testicles, and I hope he would recoil at the suggestion that that would be...
01:27:20.000Well, we can say Alberto Gonzalez is a ghoul, saying they can torture people to death and then not call it torture.
01:27:26.000I mean, we know he's the Attorney General.
01:27:28.000I mean, are they not stacking the courts with their ghouls?
01:27:31.000They are stacking the courts and the executive branch agencies, unfortunately, with people like John Yoo and many others of his persuasion.
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01:32:06.000All right, our final segment with the professor.
01:32:09.000Professor, we've only got 10-15 minutes left with you here or less.
01:32:14.000Before we let Kevin Smith get in here and talk a little bit about some of the things he's witnessed and play this little two-minute clip that was ferried out of the secret CFR meeting up there that you were there debating this pig demon at I'm sorry, that's my term.
01:32:29.000I mean, I would call Joseph Mingala a pig demon.
01:32:32.000That's just my own little term I like to use that describes these creatures.
01:32:35.000That's just kind of what I see them as.
01:32:38.000But to be really serious here, any other key points that you think people need to know that you haven't had a chance to make?
01:32:43.000Any websites we should visit to see any of your writings or any of the things that you're fighting right now?
01:32:49.000Well, one key point is that, as many people may know, with the leadership of Senator John McCain and a number of others, Congress passed a law in late 2005 that said that torture is just completely illegal.
01:33:07.000government can conduct torture anywhere, anytime, for any reason.
01:33:12.000When the President signed that bill, which he signed only because it was passed in both houses with an overwhelming veto-proof majority... He declared an imaginary power and said, I don't have to follow this.
01:33:23.000He basically said, I am signing this subject to my powers as Commander-in-Chief.
01:33:29.000So as recently as late last year, just a month or two ago, the President is continuing to maintain the same legal theory that John Yoo And Stephen Bybee put into that memo back in August of 2002.
01:33:44.000But Professor Castle, I have the Article 2, Section 2, and it clearly says that he's only the Commander-in-Chief when Congress declares war and specifically funds him with a specific job, and that he must abide by the Constitution, but that's the complete opposite.
01:34:01.000He claims that it literally makes him God-Emperor.
01:34:04.000Well, and that's the theory of Professor Yu that has now become accepted, apparently, by the Bush administration.
01:34:11.000And when that theory is taken to its extreme, there is no limit.
01:34:15.000And that was exactly the point of that question in Chicago.
01:34:18.000According to these guys, there are simply no legal limits on the President.
01:34:24.000That's not what our Constitution was intended to establish.
01:34:28.000Well, I mean, listen, martial law, total control, tyrannies, so they can bid-brig and war profiteer and just do it all right out in front of us, and so, you know, that congressman in California won't go to jail in the future for stealing $800 million.
01:35:28.000It's one that is capable, unfortunately, of misleading many Americans into thinking, well, this guy's not so bad.
01:35:35.000But the problem is once you remove any constitutional or legal constraint on the president to Even go so far as to torture children in the opinion of Professor Yu, then the sky's the limit.
01:35:47.000There's no law, there's no Congress, there's no court, there's no international treaty to stop them.
01:35:54.000They've got to come out public and say it to legitimize it if they're planning to use it.
01:36:00.000And all the preparations we're seeing, I mean, my friend, I've been to urban warfare drills where U.S.
01:36:04.000military is trying to take over America, and they admit it!
01:36:08.000So, and they're openly saying, get rid of Posse Comitatus, they've got these TSA Viper teams now right here in Texas just randomly surrounding buildings and just searching everyone, and they say it's just random?
01:36:23.000Well, again, my point is, They have already done some things, but what worries me more than anything else is that once they tear down the rule of law, once they remove any legal or institutional constraint on what they want to do, then we have to worry about how far they can go in the future.
01:36:40.000They're already doing it in some cases, but if this theory is allowed to stand, we have no protection.
01:36:47.000Go ahead, did you say you had that dictator clip?
01:37:14.000Kevin goes to a lot of these meetings, tracks a lot of this.
01:37:18.000Kevin, you went to two series, the War on Terror series and the quote, New World Order series.
01:37:22.000And just quickly for the professor, because he wasn't there, perhaps you can get in contact with him in sending this other video or whoever's getting this secret tape out.
01:37:41.000This was the first day of the war back in March of 2003 while the liberal college professors were battling the riot cops down in downtown Austin.
01:37:51.000I took it upon myself and a few other people to go to a lecture that night by Anne Marie Slaughter.
01:37:58.000She is the Dean of The Woodrow Wilson School of International Policy study at Princeton in the name of her lecture and I have the handout was a new world order and I got there a little late after they had said you're not allowed to film this we came in and filmed it and we got Professor Leo Graglia, Philip Bobbitt, a number of people were pretty put out by it.
01:38:19.000But there was maybe 250, 300 people at this event.
01:38:22.000So they were having a three-day festival, lavishing Philip Bobbitt over his new book, Shield of Achilles, where he had actually predicted events such as 9-11.
01:38:32.000And there was a Saturday luncheon lecture, and I thought, I'm going to go to this, I'm going to get there before them, I'm going to be set up, and I'm going to confront them for what they're doing and bring up Brzezinski's book and all those things.
01:38:43.000And I got to it, and it was a luncheon lecture, and there was only 15 people there.
01:38:57.000So in this meeting, and it's scary that the moderate in the room was Woolsey, but there's Professor Leo Graglia, there's Professor Philip Bobbitt, there's Harold Prince, I believe Bobby Inman was there, Ann Marie Slaughter.
01:39:00.000And it's scary that the moderate in the room was Woolsey, but there's Professor Leo Graglia, there's Professor Philip Bobbitt, there's Harold Prince, I believe Bobby Inman was there, Anne-Marie Slaughter.
01:39:11.000And these arguments they were having, Graglia was chastising Woolsey for a dinner lecture.
01:39:12.000and these arguments they were having they were they were uh...
01:39:18.000He said, well, the Nisai camps were concentration camps.
01:39:21.000And Graglia was so put out and said, no, they weren't.
01:39:28.000He says, well, they were concentration camps.
01:39:30.000And finally Graglia starts pounding his fist on the table.
01:39:33.000I want all Muslims in camps just slobbering.
01:39:37.000You've got to see the crazy look in their eyes, Alex.
01:39:39.000And then they start dripping and smacking their lips and Woolsey looking like some little conehead, a Martian, rubbing his little hands together with those big hypnotic eyes going, ah, World War IV is coming, we will win, oh, uproading.
01:39:58.000Well, you're always going to have, obviously I wasn't there and don't know who said what, but you're always going to have people in or close to governments.
01:40:08.000Who, for reasons that they think are in good faith and well-meaning, are going to propose things like concentration camps and torture.
01:40:16.000You're never going to get rid of that.
01:40:17.000What you need, however, are independent courts with clear laws and constitutional principles and international treaties so that some independent check can be imposed on the inevitable excesses of people in and close to the executive branch.
01:40:33.000So once again, my answer is, it's good that if they're going to say these things that they can be recorded and brought out to the open, but what we need are courts who can stop them.
01:40:44.000And what worries me about the nomination of Judge Alito to the Supreme Court is that there's nothing... He's another one that wrote in memos that the executive is God Emperor.
01:40:59.000If you look at what he wrote about the so-called unitary executive, He is there using a phrase which is also used by the John Hughes of the world, but he did not spell out what he meant by it.
01:41:09.000Well, I read on air some of the quotes out of memos.
01:41:12.000I mean, certainly there's a diverse body.
01:41:15.000I mean, he said in front of the Senate last week that he doesn't believe in a Supreme Presidency, but we do have memos that contradict that.
01:41:21.000I mean, they're not pushing him forward unless he's for that.
01:41:25.000Well, he's been very careful about what he has said, particularly in the confirmation hearings, but my point about Alito is that we are at a time in our history when you have things being said, such as Kevin Smith just referred to, and such as John, you put in that memo from the Justice Department.
01:41:42.000We're at a point in our history where we need Supreme Court Justices who know how to stand up and put up a stop sign.
01:41:51.000And while I suspect that Alito would go along with what the White House is proposing, what is clear, and beyond any doubt to me, is that we have no evidence that he is the kind of person that we need.
01:42:07.000It's not enough to say, well, we haven't caught him with a smoking gun.
01:42:10.000We ought to be saying, unless you can show me a Supreme Court Justice who's prepared to stand up to these guys, that version should not be confirmed.
01:43:02.000We're America because we have this Bill of Rights and Constitution.
01:43:06.000And that's really what is summed up in the phrase that we need a government of laws and not of men, or nowadays we would say of men and women.
01:43:13.000Your point is exactly right that whether you like whoever is in office today or not, Somebody else may be in office tomorrow, and if there are no limits on what that person can do, sooner or later we will come to regret it.
01:43:25.000Well, the Democrats are now saying that this is the administration of corruption, and it's true.
01:43:31.000I mean, Bush could come in and say, we're going to be the uncorrupt, the upstanding administration.
01:43:36.000You talk about double-think, double-speak.
01:43:39.000I mean, it's the complete opposite, just the level.
01:43:42.000No one's ever gotten away with this much open stealing.
01:43:45.000I mean, the Vice President running the Halliburton contracts?
01:43:49.000Uh, out of the Vice President's office.
01:43:51.000Meanwhile, his wife's on the Lockheed Martin board while he's giving her contracts.
01:43:55.000I mean, that is just patently, on its surface, illegal.
01:43:59.000Well, it is, of course, illegal, and there are many more things that they're doing that are not illegal.
01:44:04.000We've got an election system right now which is built on money, and most of the campaign contributions on which candidates rely are legal.
01:44:14.000So, that's obviously another whole subject, but to me, the problem of American democracy now being beholden to people who have enough money and corporations that have enough money to pay for it is part of the problem that leads us to this place in the first place.
01:44:29.000We're going to let you go here in just a minute or two, but I want to get your take, just any final comments after we play this clip.
01:44:34.000Let's go ahead and roll that clip from back in December, and this just came out last week because the audio got loaded onto the web and then got picked up by the news, of John Yoo.
01:44:46.000saying they can do this to children in front of their parents.
01:44:47.000It's another thing to have him when he's confronted by Professor Castle, who's on line with us right now from Notre Dame, to then say, yeah, there's no treaty, yeah, the president, if he wants to, can do that.
01:45:00.000If the president deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop that.
01:45:24.000Now the same crowd that's been congenital liars keeps saying, nukes, nukes, nukes, when remove the seals, remove the seals, Professor, when the seals are peaceful areas for peaceful nuclear power.
01:45:39.000That's admitted by all the engineers and the experts, but the media is acting like we're about to be nuked any minute by Iran.
01:45:45.000In closing, give us your take on the whole PNAC, New American Century empire.
01:45:51.000Well, I don't think I can do that in a quick closing phrase, but let me clarify that.
01:45:56.000Last answer by John Yoo, he said he thinks it depends on what the President's purpose is.
01:46:00.000What he meant by that, what was clear from his writings, is that his position, if the President's purpose is to, in effect, prosecute a war, the President can do whatever he wants.
01:46:11.000If the President's purpose were just to be vindictive or something like that, of course he could not.
01:46:16.000So the answer was a little ambiguous, but essentially it says the President's war powers give him carte blanche.
01:46:22.000That is not something that Americans, Republican, Democrat, or otherwise... But that is nowhere in precedent other than Lincoln arresting his political enemies.
01:46:35.000But that is light years away from torturing small children in front of their parents.
01:46:42.000Well, that's right, and this is one of those areas where you don't need precedent.
01:46:45.000If you get someone who says that that kind of thing is lawful, then in my view, that is just so far off the charts of any good constitutional judgment.
01:46:57.000That we need, again, to stand up and to make sure we have Supreme Court Justices who will stand up and put a stop to it.
01:47:02.000We only have 60 seconds left with our guest.
01:47:04.000Kevin, any final comments or questions for him?
01:47:06.000Yeah, Professor Castle, one last thing.
01:47:09.000During that meeting, Ann Marie Slaughter at one point said, well, this is two days into the war, mind you.
01:47:13.000She said, now we can't let the American people know that Iraq will simply be a base of operations for permanent bases to then launch attacks on Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia.
01:47:23.000And at the end of the program, I got to ask a question.
01:47:25.000I said, You know, how many millions of people are you planning on killing in this World War IV?
01:47:30.000And they looked at me like, that's not even a consideration.
01:47:32.000So we, the American public, judge these success or not by the number of our dead.
01:47:37.000That's not how they factor these things.
01:47:41.000They were openly saying what's in the PNAC document cynically.
01:47:45.000They say we can't let them know because they know the average person isn't going to go to their little meeting.
01:47:52.000We want your point of view on the whole war situation, in closing.
01:47:57.000Well, first of all, the war in Iraq is, in my judgment, a violation of international law, and indeed it fits within the definition of a crime against peace as defined at Nuremberg.
01:48:11.000Secondly, the so-called war against terrorism does not qualify as a war Under international law, it could be referred to as a war in the same sense as the war on drugs or the war on poverty.
01:48:27.000But the problem with using that language loosely is that the president then decides to say, well, all of the powers that I would have in a legal, recognized war, I can now exercise in this so-called war against terrorism.
01:48:43.000And I can treat any individual that I identify anywhere in the world, whether or not he or she is an American citizen, whether or not they're in the United States, I can, on the basis of secret intelligence information, identify that person as a quote, unlawful enemy combatants.
01:49:00.000Yeah, persons of interest, and you disappear into a black site where some pig demon from the Cold War is torturing you.
01:49:07.000I mean, this is, again, science fiction bizarre.
01:49:09.000Professor, we're going to let you go, but in ten seconds, do you think they're going to fail?
01:49:13.000Do you think they're going to go down?
01:49:14.000Or will they get the primultimate, real Nazi Germany-type control?
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01:53:20.000I mean, see folks, this isn't a joke or a game.
01:53:23.000I mean, they're up there declaring that they're dictators.
01:53:25.000They got top generals saying, well, it's what's coming next.
01:53:28.000They're gearing us all up for it, and if we all go along with it, then stuff gets bad.
01:53:33.000See, they want the police state to take your pension funds to rape you financially.
01:53:39.000They have to have it in place to really get control.
01:53:42.000It's not enough to loot trillions out of the Pentagon trust funds and to do all this.
01:55:02.000And they said in there that because of who they are, they're from the House of David, they think they have the right to control everybody and everything.
01:55:10.000And I tell you what, they're about as sick as they can get.
01:55:27.000First, I got something I want to say, but I want to address first the people that keep calling in and giving you a ration of stuff about some fabricated story.
01:55:38.000Do you people understand that your house is burning down?
01:55:44.000I know, I mean, we've got all these government people on admitting that they're building camps and the country's going down and somebody's going, Alex, you're bad because you sell videos.
01:55:54.000Do a radio show with a tin can out on the side of the street?
01:55:57.000Well, the thing is, if these people would take the time to check the facts that you put on the air and document what you say and find that it's true, it really doesn't matter.
01:56:09.000Look, this is a psychological thing, Jason.
01:56:12.000A lot of people, the government puts out its disinfo, their COINTELPRO ops put it out, on anybody who's successfully fighting them, and then the little minions, they know a psychological type out there is going to pick up on it, who's so upset by the information, they don't want to face it, so they attack the messenger.
01:56:40.000And you know they're just going to run down a line of disinfo.
01:56:44.000Well, it does bother me because you have to take a half an hour or an hour a week and answer some foolishness just so that you can retain the listeners that you've got.
01:56:52.000Oh, so you've heard how I have to answer the same question and they don't want an answer.
01:56:56.000They don't want an easily verifiable answer.
01:57:00.000They don't know how to judge a tree by its fruit, either.
01:57:03.000Actually, the reason that I called in that's a side issue, but it's important enough to... Go ahead and throw out your comment.
01:57:08.000It's actually, with PsyOps, exactly what we're speaking about, but I wanted to know your opinion about the subliminal part of that and how prevalent you think that is.
01:57:57.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:58:01.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:58:06.000Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we are now in...
01:58:11.000to hour number three on this live Thursday edition, the 19th day of January, 2006.
01:58:19.000And for the next hour, we're going to be joined by somebody who didn't sit there and suck their thumb and whine and roll around in a fetal position like, no, somebody who actually got involved, engaged the New World Order at point-blank range, and has now had TV stations covering the film, and has now had TV stations covering the film, thousands and tens of thousands watching it online, thousands buying it, having a big effect.
01:58:43.000They did loose change one, now they've done loose change two.
01:58:47.000In fact, we're carrying it here at Infowars.com.
01:58:49.000He's Dylan Avery, and early in this hour, I know we've had callers holding for a while.
01:58:53.000We'll go to Thomas and Alex and Mike and others that have been patiently holding a toll-free number to join us, But this is a little bit different of a 9-11 film from some of the others I've seen, different from mine.
01:59:39.000You know, you're just another success story.
01:59:41.000I had David Stahl on, who's a city manager, a retired police officer, but a city councilman, and he discovered the toll road tracking grid.
01:59:49.000He went public, and now it looks like we may be able to beat it, at least with the majority of counties are joining us to say no to it.
01:59:56.000And you and a couple college students got together, did the research.
01:59:59.000You went off other, you know, documented research, did your own, and have done something very effective.
02:00:08.000Tell us about yourself before we get into the film and 9-11 and what you think is most important about it and take some calls on a host of issues, but tell us about your awakening.
02:00:19.000Well, it was about three years ago in May 2002.
02:00:22.000I was building a restaurant that was basically funded by James Gandolfini, who plays Tony Soprano on the HBO series Sopranos.
02:00:29.000And in May 2002, he came up for the opening party.
02:00:31.000I had a chance to speak with him after the party and I I was thinking about getting into the whole film industry, acting, directing, figuring out what I wanted to do, and I approached him at like three in the morning, and I was like, Jim, I just had a quick question.
02:01:50.000So he told you, this is riveting, he told you just have something you believe in and get involved.
02:01:55.000Yeah, just have something to say and stand behind it.
02:01:57.000So, I took a couple different ideas that I've been toying with in the past and characters and kind of threw them all together and started writing a feature film script, which eventually turned into Loose Change the Movie, which was a semi-fictional story about me and my friends finding out that September 11th was basically an inside job.
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02:06:47.000And that's a louder than words production loose change second edition written and directed by Dylan Avery produced by Corey Rowe and of course There's a lot of other great folks involved in this and we carry it again at Infowars.com right now you get yourself a hard copy of it Dylan you were talking about how back in 2002
02:07:10.000You are working at a local restaurant, building a local restaurant for the star of The Sopranos there in your town, and then you go talk to the head guy and you say, like, three in the morning, hey, what do I do to get involved and break into acting?
02:07:23.000I'm just recapping for those who didn't hear it in the last segment.
02:07:29.000He says, have something you believe in, stand behind it.
02:07:32.000And then you were already, I guess, kind of waking up to 9-11, and first it was going to be fiction, or quasi, kind of docudrama, then you decided to make a doc, because obviously that's easier, you know, not setting your sights too high for your first project, and you did a great job on Loose Change 1, now Loose Change 2, but I want to get also into 9-11.
02:07:50.000I mean, when did you start to wake up to 9-11?
02:07:54.000Well, I guess I subconsciously knew that something was wrong with the official story because in the first maybe 10, 20 pages I started touching upon it.
02:08:02.000And when I started really researching 9-11, I came across, I believe it was two, two key websites.
02:08:09.000It was Serendipity's World Trade Center and the so-called War on Terror, I believe, and the Blake Puppy Archive.
02:08:17.000And a lot of people were posting videos of the collapses and just pointing things out.
02:08:21.000And it was at that point that I really started to realize that Maybe what I was writing wasn't so much fiction as it was reality.
02:08:30.000And you basically hit the nail on the head, Alex.
02:08:33.000I had too much information to put into an actual feature-length film, so I split it off and basically made Loose Change the documentary.
02:08:42.000And people ask me all the time, where'd you get the title, Loose Change?
02:08:47.000It's like, well, the reason the documentary is called that is because of the movie that it all started from.
02:08:52.000And if all goes according to plan, we'll be shooting Loose Change the movie this year.
02:08:57.000Well, I think, you know, the term loose change, it just makes you think of unanswered questions or loose things, you know, parts of things that are just wrong or parts of things that are jingling around in your pocket.
02:09:39.000Now this second edition, why don't you tell folks what it goes through and describe it for them.
02:09:47.000The main chapters of the film are, as you described earlier, the opening timeline of the movie, which replaced the whole pod-slash-missile thing from Loose Change 1.
02:09:58.000Loose Change 2nd edition opens up with an opening timeline.
02:10:01.000The majority of the research I used was from Killtown's website.
02:10:06.000I'm sure a lot of people are familiar with Killtown.
02:10:08.000He's an amazing, amazing 9-11 researcher.
02:10:10.000If you haven't seen his site, you should definitely check it out.
02:10:14.000And basically, I'm sorry, I lost my train of thought there.
02:10:20.000I understand that you're also on cell phone.
02:10:22.000This is kind of a short notice interview, so you're kind of out on the job while doing this interview.
02:10:28.000We're going to take some calls coming up in a few minutes, but tell me about the team that made these two documentaries, because they're both excellent, but Loose Change 2, obviously, I think is a lot better.
02:10:40.000I mean, how long it took you to do it, how you did your research, what you decided to cover?
02:10:46.000Uh, I tried to stick to the main key points that I could prove, basically.
02:10:50.000Because, I mean, there's a lot of... There's so much about 9-11.
02:10:53.000You cannot put everything about 9-11 into a single documentary.
02:10:56.000You're not going to make a 9-11 documentary that makes everybody happy.
02:11:00.000Because everybody believes that, you know, this piece is important and this piece... Exactly!
02:11:04.000I've made three films about it, written a book, published a book, done hundreds of radio shows and thousands of interviews about it.
02:11:17.000But again, there's those people who've never gotten off the bench, don't even understand what video editing software is, and they just go, why didn't you make it like this?
02:11:30.000So I would just ignore that type of stuff.
02:11:41.000I mean, like I said, I tried to stick to the things that were the most solid pieces of evidence.
02:11:47.000And what I did for the second edition, as I tried to take the first one, I mean, I basically, right after releasing the first one, I knew that it was incomplete, and I knew that there were automatically things that people were not going to like, and things that I had to fix.
02:11:59.000And slowly, offers began pouring in for people that wanted to help, people that wanted to, like I said, the first contribution I got, which was key, which was Ryan Donan, who did the Animation of Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon, which was phenomenal.
02:14:50.000People were like, well, you know, when you get to conspiracy theories like this, it's like there's, especially with something like 9-11, is there's so many people that were involved that how could, how have they not come out?
02:15:01.000I mean, there's a number of reasons why they wouldn't have.
02:15:03.000I mean, if you work for a government that killed 3,000 people, I mean, you probably fear for your own life as well.
02:15:08.000Well, look, a lot of them have gone public.
02:15:10.000I mean, again, the defense school dean said, I trained some of the hijackers.
02:16:45.000You know, the old Bible verse, out of the mouths of babes.
02:16:49.000But more than that, you just went out and looked at all the research by all these incredible physicists and underwriters and all the experts, and you guys did a great job of compiling it.
02:16:59.000Yeah, and that's the other thing, is that people accuse us of, like, stealing other people's research.
02:17:09.000That's what's nuts about some of these quote researchers, is that, is that, oh, you link to me, or you, you know, you use my stuff, how dare you?
02:17:16.000Well, we're trying to stop a bunch of killers from doing more, folks!
02:17:21.000But you know, you just got to ignore those egomaniacs.
02:17:24.000There's not many of them out there, but a lot of them are trying to just control the movement and everything and try to limit its scope.
02:17:29.000I think it's great to have a wide debate, look at all the evidence, flesh it out.
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02:22:47.000This is a little off the mark, what you're talking about today, but yesterday I went in to get a regular physical for my insurance.
02:22:54.000And I'm sitting in the lobby and surrounded by books and things up on the wall talking about flu vaccine, get this vaccine, you know, vaccine yourself.
02:23:05.000And I go back in the back and they take my blood.
02:23:09.000And I'm still sitting there with the deal in my arm where they pulled it out of the nurse's sleeve.
02:23:12.000And she comes back in and she's got this syringe full of something.
02:23:16.000And she goes to start putting it in my arm.
02:23:49.000My regular physical for my insurance, which I have good health and I'm blessed with that.
02:23:55.000And just for my standards... Then we're going to put some kind of trait... Folks, this is what's getting crazy, is that I get reports of this all the time.
02:24:02.000They know the general public's dumbed down, and so they're doing... And again, we've had a government 3,000 plus times declassified use chemical, biologicals, and radiologicals on the American people.
02:24:12.000I mean, again, Israel radiated 110,000 of their own children, killed them for $3 billion from the U.S., you know, up until the 60s.
02:24:21.000Just type in, Israel radiated its own children, it'll pop up.
02:24:26.000The same governments that admittedly have done all this in the past, now want us to totally trust them, and oh, they wouldn't be behind terror.
02:24:33.000Dylan Avery, you want to comment on this?
02:24:36.000Well, actually, I was reading up on Mumia Abu Jamal earlier, actually.
02:24:40.000I don't know if you know about him, but what happened to him happened back in the 1980s.
02:24:46.000Basically, this guy was a journalist, and he was a cab driver at night to pay his bills, and he was letting off a fare at like 2 or 3 in the morning, and he looks out his car window, and he sees his brother in the street.
02:24:59.000His brother got shot, and Mumia ran out there to check on his brother, and then He got jumped or something.
02:25:05.000He lost consciousness and when he woke up, the officer and his brother were dead.
02:25:09.000And then, uh, Mumia got picked up by an ambulance.
02:25:11.000It took like a half hour to get to the hospital.
02:25:14.000And basically what ended up happening is he got framed for the officer's death.
02:25:32.000There is so much bizarre stuff going on and happening, but I mean, all the stories of poor people going to the health department and get sterilized, I mean, that happened to, what, 400-something thousand women from the 1920s until 1980s.
02:27:00.000Listen, next summer, when you are watching it on TV, I don't care if you live in Albuquerque or in New York or Austin, and you're going to see it on every channel, it's the law, you'll be arrested.
02:27:09.000Call up and go, what's that law on the news?
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02:31:24.000I have no way of verifying what that caller just told us, but I'm going to ask him to send us an email detailing it with names, everything.
02:31:49.000Or pregnant wives go in to have babies.
02:31:52.000Back down to the troops and they'd give them uranium, plutonium pills, and tell them, now if you don't feel good taking these vitamins, come right in here.
02:31:59.000And they'd have doctors on standby with film cameras rolling just to see how the baby died.
02:32:33.000I mean, you see, you want to know why I freak out, why I'm always going wild?
02:32:38.000Because, I mean, I'm just a bunch of psychopathic killers running everything right in front of us.
02:32:42.000And I know, I mean, the black men in Tuskegee, they'd go in, they'd have syphilis, they'd let them die of it over 40, 50 years, and now the evidence shows they were giving them syphilis?
02:33:44.000I mean, when you know that, I mean, folks, they'll take our troops and put them out in the field and fly over and nerve gas them and just kill them.
02:33:55.000Over and over again, and it can be in the BBC, and it's just, oh, government kills you, it's just, you trust them though, they wouldn't, they're fighting Al-Qaeda, man, Iran's a real threat.
02:34:09.000Oh, man, you, Alex, you need to have Corey on your show sometime, because he was in Afghanistan and Iraq, and he would have tons of things to tell you about the war.
02:34:16.000He's one of the guys that worked on the film.
02:35:20.000I'm the one that does the editing and all the work, but he stands over my shoulder, gives me advice, tells me what looks good, what doesn't.
02:37:11.000It's very effective at waking people up.
02:37:14.000We're doing a lot of things right now.
02:37:16.000last Dylan we're starting to run out of that first shipment are you gonna how soon do we get some more I mean we've got some in stock right now but not many how long do you get some more in hopefully within a week or two man we're doing a lot of things right now we're like like I told you over the break we we kind of got shot down at the last minute by our last plan No, I understand, but you just got more in, but it's good to be selling out of something.
02:37:40.000Let's go ahead here and go back to the calls.
02:38:34.000But, and so they did advise people that if you're having trouble with a really common name, that what you do is you just add your initial, or maybe your initial is matching somebody, you take your initial out, and you get through.
02:38:48.000You know, it's like four-year-olds that can't fly because their name is the same as somebody else, and TSA goes, we know you're not him, but sorry you can't fly.
02:38:55.000So there is some clear harassment, but at the same time there's not harassment.
02:38:59.000Like there's been Green Party people who are going to fly to You know, from Maine to Minneapolis-St.
02:39:05.000Paul for a Green Party meeting, and they find out they're on the list because they don't like their politics.
02:39:10.000Look, they've already attacked me physically.
02:39:13.000They've already done all kinds of stuff to me, and they know I increase my attack every time they do.
02:40:04.000You know, and again, the number one cause of death is getting on the highway.
02:40:08.000Until you're 55, and it's heart attacks and cancer, respectively.
02:40:11.000But we all still get in our cars and hurl down the road at 80 miles an hour with 18 wheelers right beside us.
02:40:17.000I was driving up to a car dealership to pick up my car that had some work done on it, Saturday, and I saw a pickup truck all smashed with them cutting the guy out, tuned into the news later driving back, and he was dead!
02:40:28.000Now, Al-Qaeda didn't kill him, George Bush didn't kill him, Chewbacabra didn't kill him, and all this lions and tigers and bears didn't kill him.
02:41:14.000Do you give fellow filmmakers sort of like a A blanket, I guess, approval to use your voice or image in documentaries to help get the word out?
02:41:22.000You know, I can't sit here on the radio and just say, oh, blanket, you can do whatever you want because of my enemies will do stuff.
02:41:29.000But I've authorized people for non-profit educational purposes, that is giving my videos away, that you can do that because it's all fair use.
02:41:38.000But I do reserve the right to revoke people who are abusing it, so there isn't just a blanket carte blanche thing.
02:41:48.000But under fair use, you don't have to ask my permission if you want to use a very small portion of what I'm doing, or if you are critiquing what I'm doing, either good or bad.
02:41:59.000So you need to look into the law on that.
02:42:46.000It's going to go away, because people have waken up now and they're realizing what they've seen in front of them is, you know, Toto, I'm not in Kansas anymore.
02:43:06.000Similar thing, I predict similar things are going to happen here that happened in like Great Britain a long time ago when they had similar things with supposed terrorist attacks.
02:43:16.000People in the government, people will, you know, go into office and then suddenly realize this legislation defeats the purpose of our form of government.
02:43:38.000I just want to thank you all for all that you do.
02:43:40.000I had a comment about the title, Loose Change.
02:43:47.000What I first thought it was about, I thought it might be about the gold that was missing out of the bottom of the World Trade Center in the economic... That's right.
02:44:00.000And then there's just no discussion about it now.
02:44:03.000You ask the media, they go, we're not going to talk about those Federal Reserve vaults, Dylan.
02:44:09.000Yeah, we actually cover that in the conclusion of the second edition.
02:44:12.000Go over the gold that was missing in the empty dump trucks and the convoy of cars that was found underneath World Trade Center for No bodies recovered, which means basically these people got out of their trucks and started running.
02:44:23.000I mean, how did they know the South Tower was going to collapse?
02:44:25.000Do you remember Die Hard 3, where the Germans carry out a terror attack, but really it's a diversion to rob the World Trade Center vaults?
02:44:35.000The Germans just love doing stuff like this.
02:44:40.000They have a Fox TV special, Lone Gunman, where a government group hijacks a jet to fly it by remote control, and blame it on hijackers, into the World Trade Center so they can attack Afghanistan.
02:44:51.000Then I have Dean Haglund on From the start of the show, saying that the CIA was planning those stories on them.
02:44:58.000I mean, how much more obvious is that?
02:45:01.000It doesn't get much more obvious than that, Matt.
02:45:04.000No, it doesn't get much more obvious than that.
02:45:07.000Go ahead and finish up what you were saying there, Matt.
02:45:09.000Well, I'd like to add that I was just talking to my rep at MIDAS yesterday, and he informed me that the M3 money supply figures are going to be discontinued In March, and that's what I think makes the gold so pertinent.
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02:52:03.000We'll talk to Reuben in a day, that'll be it for calls.
02:52:06.000This has been a great broadcast today.
02:52:07.000I want to thank all of our guests that came on.
02:52:09.000If you missed the interview in the last hour with the professor from Notre Dame, Notre Dame University, who debated this John Yoo about how the government says they can torture children in front of their parents.
02:52:27.000My favorite part of Loose Change is where you show the jet turbine blowing I think it's an ambulance or a car away from it as it approaches on a runway.
02:52:36.000Proving that a 747 couldn't have flown over that highway without tumbling cars over hitting the Pentagon.
02:52:47.000Yeah, the reason I removed that clip from the second edition of Loose Change is because there was some speculation that that video was actually a computer simulation or like something that was staged and not actually real, so... Was it real?
02:53:00.000I don't know, I heard a couple different claims.
02:53:02.000Some people said it was real, some people said it wasn't.
02:53:03.000I couldn't really get much of a verifiable source.
02:53:06.000Regardless, the Pentagon stinks from every different angle, and I think it's important to look at it in the film.
02:54:44.000And you want to know what they're thinking of reopening the plant?
02:54:47.000I thought Winchester was already in Japan.
02:54:49.000No, well, there's a New Haven plant here, and they're making stuff, and they're going to be closing it, and it's going to be going, the rest of the operation, if they've got some of it there, is going to be going to China.
02:55:00.000Yeah, I knew Japan actually had manufacturing plants in China.
02:55:05.000I thought it was a Japanese operation.
02:55:06.000Well, according to what I'm hearing from the mayor of New Haven on the local news, which of course you can take what you take, he's trying to stop it.
02:55:13.000But I'll give you another quick example.
02:55:15.000I worked for the world's largest oil company, won't mention their name, for five years.
02:55:22.000It was a plastics manufacturing facility because the price of resin went up when they helped raise, by the way, said it wasn't making any money.
02:55:30.000And then I went to, 60 days later, I got another job at a rolling mill company in the Connecticut area that had been open since 1905.
02:55:40.000I was there for 45 days, and they announced they're closing the plant.