The CIA has now confirmed that this tape is true. The Japanese have now banned American beef again. Google is asked by the government to provide millions of requests over where you ve been on the internet, who you've been looking at it, and of course, pornography. And we have a Power Hour Team Member of the Day for approaching Congressman Thompson and handing him a copy of Beyond Treason.
00:00:25.000Good afternoon, good evening ladies and gentlemen wherever you're situated on this great big beautiful blue globe floating through the void of y'all's creation.
00:00:32.000It's Friday the 20th of January 2005 and I don't know where this one came from.
00:00:39.000Joyce just threw this at me just before the mic went live and after reading this supposed verbatim quote from G.W.
00:00:48.000Bush anybody who saw this on television has They've got to be brain dead if they don't recognize that we're at the crossroads and are asking themselves the question, where is my line in the sand?
00:01:21.000Anyway, we are going to be talking about the news, and the news that they say is news is, ladies and gentlemen, of course, the lead story on CNN, major news networks today, is the Osama Bin Laden tape.
00:01:33.000We're going to talk about this tape, and if anybody believes that that's the real deal, then you know why we have bad intel.
00:01:41.000The CIA has now confirmed that this tape is true.
00:01:46.000Ladies and gentlemen, I know that you are so sick of the wag the dog government that we have, but it is absolutely in your face with this Bin Laden tape.
00:01:57.000Now, of course, this is a tape that allegedly was released.
00:02:01.000It's an alleged tape, allegedly released in December, allegedly by Osama Bin Laden, carried allegedly by Al Jazeera.
00:02:09.000And if you missed the discussion we had about Al Jazeera yesterday, then you know that Al Jazeera probably is not even the real deal, for sure, too.
00:02:18.000But anyway, that's supposed to be the big story.
00:02:20.000Now, we'll get into this because I think the Jill Carroll story dovetails into this.
00:02:26.000Right along with the story of We've Got Another Tape, We've Got Another Tape.
00:02:31.000Michael Fortier is going to be released from prison.
00:02:37.000Also, the Japanese, as of this morning, have now banned American beef again today.
00:02:44.000Don't know much about that story, but that's going to be a big hit to our industry over here.
00:02:48.000And, uh, let's look at what the real news is.
00:02:52.000The serious news is that Google has now been asked by the government to provide millions of requests over where you've been on the internet, who you've been looking at, and of course this is all because people might be looking at pornography.
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00:08:48.000I've heard you speaking on that radio program where the opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the staff management or sponsors of this radio station.
00:08:57.000Now, you've done that disclaimer and botched it every single time.
00:10:37.000I know, but you know, and when people hear this statement a little bit later that we're going to read about him, I think they will understand what you're talking about.
00:10:53.000Osama Bin Laden released, or excuse me, excuse me.
00:10:57.000Allegedly, Osama Bin Laden released an alleged tape with the alleged message that they're not over, not finished with the United States.
00:11:07.000The war against America will not be confined to Iraq.
00:11:11.000Now this is the scary part, because even if it's not a real tape, then you know it's a CIA tape, which doesn't surprise any of the Power Hour listeners.
00:11:20.000But he says, it will not be confined to Iraq.
00:11:34.000That's the alleged statement, allegedly by Osama Bin Laden.
00:11:37.000Which tells us, yeah, they're preparing something, yeah, they're trying to get everybody ready, yeah, they've got to do something, because you know what happened?
00:11:44.000The Pakistan issue backfired in their face.
00:11:46.000They hit a bunch of innocent people, killed a bunch of children there, all the time saying, well, we thought that this guy was there, and, you know, they just have the right to go into any country and bomb anybody if they think somebody might be there with their bad intel that has never proven to be right in the past.
00:12:02.000I mean, remember when Bill Clinton bombed an aspirin factory?
00:12:06.000It's not just George Bush's administration that's doing all this.
00:12:10.000So now we've got a situation in which they've got a bunch of bad PR.
00:12:13.000And they want to go after Iran for all the wrong reasons.
00:12:16.000But be that as it may, they want to go get Iran.
00:12:18.000So they've got to set the stage and create all the atrocities again.
00:12:21.000So get ready for all the women who've had their left hand cut off.
00:12:26.000And all the women who had, you know, I mean, just get ready for it.
00:12:29.000Because they have to do it to create a war.
00:12:31.000Because they can't create a war legitimately.
00:12:57.000So the first time I get a phone call from some major network media source who wants somebody who will look good in front of the TV set and be a good commentator for the next war then you know we're about ready to go to war and you can be assured I will let you know.
00:13:16.000Alright so we've got this problem with Osama Bin Laden's tape now which a lot of people are saying is a phony tape because all you have to do is look at it and by the way there is no sound on it because There is no sound, so they can do whatever they want to do with the sound.
00:13:30.000So, they've got another problem also, and that is, people don't want the war with Iran.
00:13:38.000They don't want the war with Afghanistan, let alone a new war.
00:13:41.000You know, I want to jump, before you go right past that, there's no sound on the tape.
00:13:44.000This is not the first time this has happened.
00:13:46.000There's so many times where they will play a video of the quote-unquote Osama speaking, but they never allow you to hear the audio part of the tape.
00:13:56.000Now there are a lot of folks out there that speak the language that could translate what he's saying, but maybe they don't want you to hear exactly what he's saying.
00:14:02.000They want to literally put the words in his mouth.
00:15:39.000When the CIA confirms the voice on the tape is Bin Laden's, and by the way, this time the CIA did confirm it is Bin Laden.
00:15:47.000Now remember, all the past times It's been allegedly Osama Bin Laden could be most likely Osama Bin Laden.
00:15:57.000Now they've out and out said this is the voice of Osama Bin Laden but unfortunately you didn't get to hear it so I mean there's no way we can test that.
00:16:05.000Lawrence questions when it was recorded.
00:16:06.000He says the timing of the release could be to divert attention from last week's US airstrike in Pakistan.
00:16:13.000The strike targeted Bin Laden's deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri So if he believes in Ayman al-Zarari, you know, he's the physician who's number two, who always has a gun behind him whenever he does an interview.
00:16:23.000Well, it led to the failed military operations where America got blamed, but the people who are really to blame are the ones who provided the intelligence.
00:16:33.000I think this is an effort to say we're not going to be looking at the terrible incident and about what happened.
00:16:39.000Now he's talking about Pakistan, evidently.
00:16:41.000Another element that Lawrence takes issue with is Bin Laden's latest message is its length.
00:17:04.000Just, you know, put them all together and let God sort them out.
00:17:08.000The reason that I think that Joe Carroll, who is this poor 28-year-old reporter, I mean, how sympathetic would you be if a Halliburton welder got, and I'm not putting down Halliburton welders, please don't misunderstand, but how sympathetic would you be to go to war because a Halliburton welder who was making $180,000 every six months got kidnapped?
00:17:42.000So we've got Jill Conrad, who really cares about the Iraqi people, who was over there to expose the atrocities of Iraq, with the Christian Science Monitor.
00:18:32.000Now, why would the Iraqis pick Jill Carroll, who's over there exposing the Iraqi people's interests.
00:18:39.000Really, that's the first thought that came to my mind.
00:18:41.000I mean, she's been trying to help the Iraqis and help their cause, and the Science Christian Monitor has been trying to expose what the United States has done to the entire region with the DU issue.
00:18:53.000They also did a series about the Gulf War illness several years ago.
00:18:57.000I mean, the Christian Science Monitor has been trying to help the Iraqi people.
00:19:00.000So why don't they go get some general in the Green Zone?
00:19:03.000If they want to make a statement, no, they're not going to do that.
00:19:08.000Because I don't think we're going to go get our own guys.
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00:25:15.000Michael Fortier is going to be released from prison today.
00:25:19.000Of course you recall he was the star witness Some said he was the star set-up witness against Tim McVeigh.
00:25:28.000The whole idea now is to resurrect the Oklahoma City bombing atrocity, so that's what they're doing now, is dragging out of the back room all of these poor people who have suffered horribly over the past ten years, dragging them in front of the media and, oh wasn't it horrible when your loved one died.
00:25:45.000How bad did it feel when your loved one died?
00:25:48.000How much did you hurt when your loved one died?
00:25:50.000Tell us how much you cried when your... I mean, it's so... it is disgusting!
00:25:54.000And they're using this as an excuse to bring them all out again and remind everybody of Oklahoma City.
00:26:00.000So, Mr. Fortier is going to be released to his wife and two children.
00:26:08.000And now he's going to be getting out today.
00:26:10.000But just the tragedy though of using these people again from Oklahoma City is so sad when we know who the real, real people were behind the operation.
00:26:20.000Okay, I want to move to a couple of other things here.
00:26:24.000There's a listener that is fed up with orange and blue, Dave.
00:26:30.000And by the way, we have authenticated this quote from George Bush, which at the bottom of the hour, have your tape players going, you are not going to believe this man is representing you.
00:26:42.000She handed this to me just as we were going on the air, about 30 seconds.
00:26:45.000I started reading this and this was crazy.
00:26:57.000And I will tell you it's getting worse every single day.
00:27:00.000Hi Joyce and Dave, just wanted to drop you a line and comment on the ridiculous amount of orange and blue creeping into every last show and TV commercial.
00:27:08.000The use of colorization to existing commercials continues.
00:27:19.000I found somebody who can see what's going on.
00:27:23.000He says, the colorization continues and it seems the idiots making these commercials can't have even a single scene without the ugly orange, and this includes a more subdued but equally obvious red-orange, there you go right there Dave, I've been telling you about the red-orange, in it somewhere.
00:27:41.000It's driving me crazy, you and me Mike.
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00:33:04.000Okay, this is a song about symbolism and color.
00:34:18.000I want all of you to get up out of your chairs.
00:34:22.000I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell, I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!
00:35:23.000Well, listeners, I do believe the new colors of the United States or of the world, you know, whatever they choose to have, it's going to be light blue and orange.
00:35:32.000And I think we're sick and tired of seeing this rammed down our throats.
00:35:36.000It's a message to all of the elite out there that they are making their mark.
00:35:40.000Let me tell you one last thing from Mike and PA.
00:37:26.000Whether or not benefits raised upon wage increases or price increases.
00:37:31.000There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered.
00:37:34.000And when you couple that, those different cost drivers affecting those, changing with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised or more likely to be Or closer delivered to that has been promised.
00:37:53.000There's a series of things that can be, like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages as opposed to the increase of prices.
00:38:02.000Some have suggested that we calculate the benefits will rise based upon inflation Supposed to wage increases.
00:38:10.000There's a reform that would help solve the red if we were to put that into effect.
00:38:15.000In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if that growth is affected, it will help on the red.
00:38:23.000And as he looked out into the audience, there was complete silence and every mouth was open and every eye said, blink.
00:39:33.000You know, is it any wonder that he says he doesn't like to read?
00:39:38.000Okay, let me move on to a couple of other things.
00:39:39.000I want to address Super Bowl because this weekend there's going to be a game with the Broncos, Denver Broncos, whose color is orange and blue.
00:40:08.000However, I am interested though, when it comes to our attention, that somebody says that the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to win every game now, including the Super Bowl game itself, and they were not even a wild card at the time.
00:40:21.000And that person, Super Bowl Steve, seems to have known that.
00:43:04.000I hope you will join this effort and pass it on as well.
00:43:07.000Also, I think we need to pray for the firefighters, especially the volunteer ones who have worked constantly without pay to try to keep us all safe.
00:43:17.000And I have to tell you on the sad side, I have had lots of letters from people wanting help for veterans, people who are involved in fighting for veterans, And people who are succumbing to the veterans.
00:43:42.000I mean, no one organization can handle it.
00:43:45.000And when the government says we can't handle all the PTSD claims and we can't handle all the PTSD issues, well, if the government says that and they've got, you know, blue coups of huge VA hospitals, how are we going to do that?
00:44:17.000They are saying, nope, Justice Department, you're not going to have it.
00:44:20.000Well, let's see how long Google lasts then.
00:44:22.000Yeah, this comes out of San Francisco.
00:44:24.000As of yesterday, the Justice Department has asked a federal judge to compel Google, the Internet search giant, to turn over records on millions of its users.
00:44:35.000Search queries as part of the government's effort to uphold, of course, online pornography law.
00:44:41.000Google has been refusing requests since a subpoena was first issued last August, even as three of its competitors agreed to provide information according to court documents made public this week.
00:44:53.000Google asserts that the request is unnecessary, overly broad, and would be onerous to comply with, would jeopardize its trade secrets, and could expose identifying information about its users.
00:45:04.000The dispute with Google comes as the government is moving aggressively on several fronts to obtain data on Internet activity to achieve its law enforcement goals.
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00:45:48.000Now we told you this months and months and months ago.
00:45:51.000Power Hour was out there leading the front telling you about turmeric so that you could get your curcumin in advance of the price going up and in advance of there not being any.
00:46:01.000And I'll tell you why in just a second.
00:46:03.000But the American Cancer Society is saying this.
00:46:06.000This is a news release from the American Cancer Society.
00:46:11.000Researchers have now launched a slew of human trials to find out how powerful it may be.
00:46:16.000No, they've released a slew of human trials so they can patent it and take it off the market and make it so that only they can have it.
00:46:26.000I think the promise is enormous, says Bhagarat Agarwal, PhD, Chief of the Cytokine Research Lab in the Department of Experimental Therapeutics at UTMD Medical Anderson Cancer Center.
00:46:39.000That's where Dr. Garth Nicholson was, by the way.
00:46:42.000Agarwal has conducted numerous lab and animal studies of turmeric and its primary component curcumin.
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00:46:55.000We don't come to you with phony false claims.
00:48:19.000Well, lab and animal studies now show effect on many cancers.
00:48:22.000The early lab research that Agarwal and others have done focuses on curcumin, the most active compound in turmeric.
00:48:30.000The studies show that curcumin can indeed slow inflammation.
00:48:34.000It also appears to slow the spread of cancer and metastasis, slows down the growth of new tumor blood vessels, which is called angiogenesis, and causes cancer cells to die the way normal cells do, which is apoptosis.
00:48:51.000What's more, these effects don't appear to be limited to just one type of cancer.
00:48:55.000Curcumin has shown effects in lab studies against metastatic melanoma, Am I taking it?
00:49:03.000Most recently, Agaral published a study in the Journal of Clinical Cancer Research showing that eating curcumin could keep breast cancer from spreading to the lungs, at least in mice.
00:49:13.000In addition, it appears to enhance the positive effects of the chemotherapy drug, Paxlitell, and lessen the severity of the side effects.
00:49:26.000However, not all research on curcumin has had such positive results.
00:49:29.000At least one study, we need to be honest with you, suggests that curcumin may inhibit the action of some chemotherapy drugs.
00:49:38.000So just, you need to know that if you're on chemotherapy, don't take, I wouldn't take it, personally, curcumin.
00:49:44.000At MD Anderson alone, Agaral said that doctors are testing curcumin in multiple myeloma and advanced pancreatic cancer.
00:49:52.000The institution is also seeking the funding for a study of curcumin in women with breast cancer.
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00:54:32.000Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the Friday morning edition of The Power Hour.
00:54:36.000We're coming up on 55 minutes past the hour, and a quick reminder for those of you that are listening on the international shortwave, if you're dialed into WHRI 7.520, you'll have to change your receiver in about four minutes to 11.785 for the second and third hours of the broadcast.
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00:55:01.000Coming up in the next hour, we'll be talking with Don Markham.
00:55:04.000He has an article that's been published in the Idaho Observer, and it's an analysis of the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005.
00:55:14.000And it's a rather important piece of legislation that just sort of got shoved right through, and there are ramifications.
00:55:21.000We'll be talking about that in the next hour.
00:55:26.000Tom Cahill is the Power Hour team member of the day.
00:55:30.000Tom Cahill has written a lot of very good things on the internet, and we've posted some of his stories.
00:55:35.000But he also has guts, and he also is putting his actions behind his message.
00:55:41.000He went to a news conference or a meeting, town hall meeting of Congressman Thompson, Mike Thompson of North Carolina, and where the Fort Bragg Advocate News carried this story.
00:55:57.000I think it's important to understand here that there are people that are willing to go up and make a stand and not afraid of, oh my gosh, what will they say?
00:56:08.000Thompson believes Well, he's talking about refocus the priorities of the American people.
00:56:14.000Thompson presented his plan for Iraqi withdrawal, saying that Congress should pledge never to build military bases and promise publicly that Iraqi oil will be the property of the Iraqi people.
00:56:27.000Well, Thompson believes those actions would slow the number of volunteers coming from around the Middle East to help the Iraq insurgency and slow the aggressive troop exit, which will begin this summer.
00:56:37.000Tom Cahill, you go boy, of Fort Bragg, a member of the Veterans for Peace, presented Thompson a copy of the film Beyond Treason by the Gulf War Veterans Association.
00:56:50.000He challenged Thompson to investigate whether the deaths of 10,000 to 15,000 Gulf War veterans in 1991 was related to the military's use of depleted uranium.
00:57:01.000Thompson said he has co-sponsored a bill related to the DU investigation.
00:57:06.000Cahill spotted a tiny pin on Thompson's lapel and interrupted the congressman saying, is that a combat infantryman's pin?
00:57:16.000Thompson's response was, I never leave home without it.
00:57:20.000Thompson served in combat with the U.S.
00:57:22.000Army as a Staff Sergeant Platoon Leader in the 173rd Airborne Brigade where he was wounded and received a Purple Heart.
00:57:29.000Nothing ever enraged Thompson as much as the right As the right-wing talk show host and the Republican National Committee when they called him a traitor for his pre-war investigation and his pre-war investigatory trip to Iraq.
00:57:42.000Anyway, I just want to say thank you, kudos, you go boy, yeah, we're going to be talking to Congressman Thompson.
00:57:52.000He has been attacked over and over again.
00:57:54.000If you go to the internet, you will see where they're attacking the messenger.
00:57:58.000And his comment is, he said, Joyce, I am sending this out.
00:58:01.000I am sick and tired of the shoot the messenger campaign on me.
00:58:05.000While they ignore AR 700-48, which is the army regulation that says they must wear respirators, suits, and clean up their mess.
00:58:15.000And TB9, I'm not going to go into that.
00:58:18.000And all the orders, and ignore my actual duties, accomplishments, as if they're attacking me, they do not have to comply with the regulations.
00:58:27.000I'm going to come back and talk to you about this, because a guy named Dan Fahey, who says he's an expert, has tried to bring down Doug Rocky.
00:59:36.000He is very upset with very good reason.
00:59:40.000He says to Dan Fahey, who is the gentleman who has been creating the stir over, a part of the stir over Doug's credentials, As you all know, Doug Rockey stars in Beyond Treason.
00:59:52.000He stars in it because he was the chief whistleblower from the Department of Defense who was lighting a fire under the butt of the Department of Defense to get them to do something to take care of Gulf War veterans.
01:00:02.000Well, their only response is, well, Doug's not credible.
01:00:05.000It's not whether they're sick or not, it's just a repeat of everything for the past 50 years.
01:00:09.000He says, Dr. Doug Rockey says, Dan, your continued public comments without any actual experience in any aspect of our work from Gulf War I until the present And your claim that you have promoted training and medical care since 1993 seems strange since you never mentioned in your recent public statements that I, Doug Rocky, was the U.S.
01:00:30.000Army Health Physicist and Team Medic on the 3rd U.S.
01:00:34.000Army DU Team during the Gulf War I, who established the need for and initial still-ignored medical care protocols and cleaned up the mess to include on-site casualty medical care while you were never involved.
01:00:48.000Number two, that I and my team members wrote the after-action reports and that you were never involved.
01:00:55.000Army Depleted Uranium Project Director who did the research at the Nevada test site, wrote the training and education programs, and was a primary author of the U.S.
01:01:04.000Army Regulation 700-48 and the D.U.C.T.T.
01:01:11.000Number four, that my primary efforts have always been to ensure that DOD officials Comply with all provisions of the U.S.
01:01:20.000Army Regulations 700-48 and all the numerous but ignored orders that mandate medical care through environmental remediation while you do not even mention these documents or but ignored legal requirements.
01:01:34.000Number five, that you have absolutely no primary experience Working with me or my team to base your comments upon because you do not know what we saw, learned, verified during research and on-site operations or what has happened to our health.
01:01:49.000Your comment that no one who died who lived in central Illinois is an insult to the widow, his family and all of us who know who were his friends.
01:02:00.000You did not know the person and had absolutely no knowledge of his military activities since you were never involved.
01:02:06.000That you wrote His definitive claim that any military personnel that has been near the contamination will bring it back is laughable.
01:02:15.000Anyway, he goes on and says the 700-48 that I wrote and whose compliance is mandatory as ordered by General Eric Shinseki.
01:02:25.000Maybe you would like to tell the medical personnel who treated contaminated casualties We're going to have him on next week and it's time that I think we address the issue with the Department of Defense.
01:02:34.000Fahey said so even though you have absolutely no first-hand experience and you ignore all the orders.
01:02:56.000You have somebody who is trying their very, very best with their last breath to tell the truth about depleted uranium and all he gets Is this an absolute character assassination?
01:03:07.000You know, I'd like to address all the folks that are paid to listen to this broadcast and somehow subscribe to the philosophy and the methodology that you have to shoot the messenger because you don't want to face the message.
01:03:17.000Keep in mind that the efforts of people like Major Doug Rocky, Dr. Doug Rocky, the efforts that he is making are there to protect you And if you participate in the demonization or ridicule or discrediting of this person, you're only shooting yourself in the foot and possibly affecting your children and the children yet to be born into your family.
01:03:42.000I mean, you've got to go look in the mirror and figure out who the bad guys really are, because it's not us and it's not Doug.
01:03:47.000We'll be right back after this three-minute break.
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01:07:44.000Well, first of all, welcome to the hour number two of today's Friday installment of the Power Hour.
01:07:49.000This is Dave Von Kleist and Joyce Riley.
01:07:51.000And, uh, we're going to be talking this hour with, um, with Mark, um, sorry, With Don Markham.
01:07:58.000And Don has written a very important analysis of the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005.
01:08:07.000He's been a paralegal for the past eight years.
01:08:10.000He took it upon himself to learn about the banking industry and about the legality behind it because he could recognize that there was something really rotten in Denmark, as they say.
01:08:20.000He's got his Bachelor of Science in History and in Political Science.
01:08:25.000His graduate studies included oriental military history, and he's just an all-around inquisitive kind of guy that likes opening up cans of worms and see which way they crawl.
01:08:38.000Apparently he's done exactly that with this analysis, which is published, as I understand, in the Idaho Observer.
01:08:45.000Anyway, welcome to the broadcast, Don Markham.
01:08:50.000I'm doing just fine, and you're going to have to have a little patience with me, because when it comes to high finance, bonds, stocks, investments, banking, all that type of stuff, that's not one of my strong areas.
01:09:04.000Now, a lot of folks do understand the concept of bankruptcy, and they do understand that, hey, well, with the economy being what it is, There are a lot of folks that are falling into bankruptcy, or the threat of them falling into bankruptcy is looming large on the horizon.
01:09:21.000So if you could just give a little bit of a background as to what bankruptcy has been, why we had bankruptcy laws in place for so many years, and then we can get into how this new legislation is going to affect all of that.
01:09:34.000Okay, I'm going to back up just a tad here and go into a Uh, finance before we get into bankruptcy.
01:09:41.000Okay, let me ask you right off the bat, are you on a cell phone?
01:09:44.000I'm on a... There, I can pick up the other one.
01:09:54.000Okay, now, uh, everybody out there usually at some point in their life will go out and sign contracts, get involved in buying a house, a car, and basically involved in getting in debt.
01:10:09.000And as long as everybody pays their debts, life is rosy.
01:10:14.000It's only when things arrive or happen that may cause you to get in financial difficulty.
01:10:28.000And now, for over 200 years, our country has had bankruptcy Laws on the books in fact is to find the constitution that we should have bankruptcy and it's basically to grant people relief when they got themselves in certain situations which were beyond their control.
01:10:49.000And that's been fairly well defined through federal law, which the bankruptcy code is found in Title 11 of the U.S.
01:11:02.000Starting about eight years ago, maybe nine years ago, this is during the Clinton administration, the financial institutions, credit cards, banking, mortgage companies, HMO, hospitals, started pushing our legislators in Congress to revamp the bankruptcy code.
01:11:28.000And originally, in 2001, they did pass Two versions that weren't agreed upon, and they had a conference, which is where they iron out the differences.
01:11:40.000The only problem was it was scheduled for 9-11 on 2001, and we know what happened then.
01:11:46.000And as a result, they put bankruptcy reform on the hold, and it wasn't until just this, well, actually April of 2005 did they finally go through with the new version.
01:12:01.000Actually you had the leadership of both parties were pushing it.
01:12:06.000And it'll be interesting to see what is going to happen as a result of the investigation into lobbying goes because there was a lot of last minute addendums put into this legislation and I'd be curious to see how that all plays out.
01:12:25.000Okay, well, as you just mentioned, this is new legislation.
01:12:29.000It went into effect this past October.
01:12:33.000And my question to you is that how exactly is this particular piece of legislation different from the, say, former legislation in regard to bankruptcy?
01:12:58.000And those are the two that people get involved in.
01:13:02.000All the other ones deal with the corporations and stuff, which I'm not going to deal with at the moment.
01:13:07.000Basically, you have two types of bankruptcies.
01:13:12.000Seven is full discharge, all automatic, where a 13 you go in, and then that's a repayment type.
01:13:21.000I've got to tell you right now, if you get too technical, you're going to lose me and I think you'll lose a bunch of the folks out there.
01:13:28.000Well, I don't know, like I said, I'm not high finance savvy, but if you get way off the bat here, I think we'll lose a couple folks, so I want to try to keep it as simple as possible.
01:13:40.000Well, basically, as simple as possible is that they created a test to determine whether you can file for Bankruptcy.
01:13:50.000First of all, you have to go through a program, you know, which teaches you about how to manage your debt.
01:13:58.000And you have to get a certificate from it before you can even file bankruptcy of any kind.
01:14:05.000And then if you get that certificate, you go and then you have to take what is known as a means test.
01:14:25.000It's like they have it for an individual, a couple, a two, a family of three, and a family of four.
01:14:31.000Anyway, they have these figures, and it's like if you're poor enough, then you pass the first hurdle and you're allowed to file a Chapter 7.
01:14:41.000Otherwise, if you go over these figures, you go into the repayment plan and a Chapter 13.
01:14:49.000However, even if you're allowed to file the Chapter 7, and if you have as little as $167 extra a month that they can find available to pay to a creditor, or $10,000 over a course of five years, they'll move you back into the repayment plan to enter a Chapter 13.
01:15:11.000Now, chapter 13 requires that you have to pay a minimum now of $20.
01:15:22.000That's somewhat dishonest, but there are ways that's more than 25%.
01:15:32.000But anyways, 25% and that was basically the credit card companies wanted that provision in there.
01:15:39.000However, they're still allowed to charge you interest while you're in there.
01:15:43.000And now at the same time, You have to go through a payment plan, you have to divulge it, and it has to be accepted by the court.
01:15:54.000If you're unable to meet this plan, there is a way that they can remove you from a Chapter 13 and you're kind of on your own, if they do that.
01:16:05.000Okay, let me just change gears a little bit here.
01:16:08.000So far what you've been talking about is bankruptcy as far as a consumer is concerned.
01:16:13.000If I get up to my eyeballs in credit card debt and all of a sudden lose my job and everything, a lot of times there's just no other option.
01:16:43.000Or was this piece of legislation designed to work in their favor?
01:16:47.000Well, the only thing that really changed for them It's been reported that it's their financial disclosure statements they have to sign and there are some penalties involved in this and that.
01:17:01.000But as far as I can see, other than the financial disclosures, these things were on the books before and they just removed a lot of this stuff during the Clinton years.
01:17:13.000But anyway, now they've put them back on the books.
01:17:18.000That part's in play, but as far as some of the other bankruptcy things they changed, there is one provision they did change that may affect Enron.
01:17:27.000Because if you notice, your listeners may be interested, but Enron is an Oregon corporation where I live.
01:17:35.000They then moved to other states like Texas and had their headquarters there because of what is known as the Homestead Exemption.
01:17:44.000In Texas and Florida, prior to this legislation, Whatever the value of your home was, it was exempt during bankruptcy or any other kind of judgment proceedings against them.
01:17:55.000Under the new bankruptcy law, that does get changed unless you've been living in it over 3.3 years.
01:18:02.000Now it's the federal bankruptcy homestead exemption is only $125,000, where it was unlimited if you lived in Texas and Florida.
01:18:13.000Now that will affect some of the bigwigs down the road.
01:18:16.000Other than that, they didn't do much change as far as corporations go.
01:18:20.000Okay, I'll tell you what, we've got a break coming up here, and I'm going through your article here, and I've got to be honest with you, like I said, when it comes to banking and financing and stuff like this, it's not a strong area of mine, but nonetheless, I could sort of understand exactly how this might work I could sort of understand exactly how this might work to their favor.
01:18:40.000But you've got to look at all the numbers and the percentages and all that type of stuff.
01:18:43.000Let's see if we can't get this right down to the bare bones minimum when we get back from this break.
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01:23:18.000Coming up on 25 minutes past the hour, whatever hour you're sitting in, this is Dave and Joyce.
01:23:22.000Our guest this hour is Don Markham and he has contributed an article to the Idaho Observer.
01:23:29.000Explaining a little bit about the new Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005.
01:23:36.000I mean that's a mouthful and trying to wrap your arms around this piece of legislation is very difficult for somebody like me.
01:23:44.000Now I don't know about some of the other folks out there.
01:23:46.000I know that there are people out there that have a much better understanding of banking and financing and interest rates and Bankruptcy laws.
01:23:55.000But to the common meat and potatoes guy like myself, all I know is that there are so many people that have tons and tons of credit card debt and sooner or later it is indeed going to come back and bite you.
01:24:10.000And apparently this piece of legislation is not necessarily what it It appears to be on the outside.
01:24:26.000And the kind of relief you could have got before October 17th is totally gone.
01:24:31.000In fact, this last year, the bankruptcy filings were the highest they ever had.
01:24:39.000Which is one reason why the credit card companies are reporting that only four and a half percent of people are now behind in their credit cards.
01:24:48.000So a lot of people did take advantage of this before it became an effect.
01:24:53.000There's still a lot of people out there that don't know this law and what really is involved with it.
01:25:01.000Okay, well if there was one particular difference that you could point out between the old bankruptcy law and this one, if there was one red flag, okay, in a nuts and bolts, meat and potato kind of way, how would you describe that flag?
01:25:17.000What is that that's going to basically change your protection?
01:25:24.000It's going to be real difficult to do a complete discharge of debt.
01:25:27.000You're going to be in a repayment plan which will last up to five years.
01:25:32.000And they can prevent you from refiling for eight years now where it used to be seven.
01:25:41.000Okay, let me just paint a little picture.
01:25:43.000Let's just say that I have a cottage industry.
01:26:29.000And depending how long you wait to file bankruptcy, you may get dragged into court, you may get judgments against you.
01:26:38.000And these all work to the advantage of the creditor, so I mean, because they can sell those instruments, you know, once they get a judgment.
01:26:44.000Same way, and they get to write it off if you go into bankruptcy and get a discharge.
01:26:49.000So there's advantages for them to pressure you.
01:26:53.000Now, it sounds like with the kind of money you're talking about, you will be in a repayment plan under Chapter 13, which means that you will have to sit down Disclose all your assets and you've got to have income coming in to qualify for a chapter 13 if you have no income And you can't pile a chapter 7 you're out of luck Okay, that's something new and different
01:27:22.000All right Well, then what do you what do you do?
01:27:28.000Are they going to throw you into prison?
01:27:30.000I'll give you an example out here in Oregon.
01:27:35.000We don't have debtor's prisons like they did in the old days, but prisons are being turned into industrial compounds out here.
01:27:58.000So it's not a stretch of the imagination with a few changes of laws that, you know, they could do it because in the state of Oregon, they go international out here and try to drum up business for the, you know, for the prisons out here, you know, for manufacturing and they offer Guaranteed workforce, you don't have to pay minimum wage, and you don't have to pay insurance benefits.
01:28:22.000Well, maybe this is why they privatized so many of the prisons in the past 10, 20 years.
01:28:27.000Maybe that's got something to do with it.
01:28:29.000Well, they've been doing everything in one slice of time.
01:28:31.000They started by, you know, with NAFTA and GATT, you know.
01:28:34.000Yeah, I tell you what, hold on to that thought.
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01:32:15.000And Joyce, and I want to tell everybody on the Kirkman subject, Debbie just reminded me, I just went out to talk to her, and she reminded me that when I had a conference with Robert from the UK, he said that he needed to tell me that there might be a price increase.
01:32:31.000Now it has not happened yet, but he said the Kirkman crop The turmeric crop failed in India this year.
01:32:42.000And I was saying to him, you know, how convenient, now that they find out that it can help stop the growth of metastatic tumors, all of a sudden the turmeric crop fails.
01:32:52.000And he said that the entire turmeric crop in India failed.
01:32:55.000Now, I don't know where else it grows.
01:32:57.000But I just wanted to let you know that because of the fact that it could be of real concern if you want to get some.
01:33:03.000So I made sure that we had plenty at the Power Hour and I want to thank the gentleman who just called Kelly and told her about his 93-year-old mother who had a very aggressive tumor on her back.
01:33:16.000And he said it has not grown in six weeks and she is feeling better and she is asked to go to the beauty shop.
01:33:21.000So that is pretty, that really makes us feel good to hear those kinds of things.
01:33:26.000We've been hearing that from a lot of people and we can now tell you that statement since the American Cancer Society released the fact that there is, does help to mitigate or stop the growth of metastatic cancer.
01:34:16.000There is no price increase that I know of, though he did call me to tell me that because the India crop failed, that they were going to be expecting it.
01:35:14.000Anyway, we're talking today with Don Markham, trying to sort out a very confusing and very difficult to understand subject about the Bankruptcy, Abuse, Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005, and trying to sort out, find out where the hidden teeth of this particular piece of legislation is, went into effect October 17th of this last year.
01:35:36.000Do you want to finish up what you were trying to explain before we went to the break, or do you want to just go right to the calls?
01:35:41.000Before we go to the calls, there are some strategies people can use.
01:35:47.000Basically, the rich, what they do is they create entities and they own things via entities, whether it's limited liability corporations, limited partnerships, trusts, whatever.
01:36:04.000People start buying things and putting them in those names now instead of transferring them in the future.
01:36:12.000Things that they buy into those entities, it won't be part of the bankruptcy.
01:36:16.000It can't be had or be brought into the bankruptcy proceeding or any other type of proceeding if somebody comes after you for a judgment.
01:36:27.000If you try to transfer those things, it could get complicated.
01:36:30.000But if you just create an entity, buy it in that entity name, there won't be a problem down the road.
01:36:37.000All right, I tell you what, let's just go right to the folks.
01:36:40.000Some of the listeners will probably be able to ask better questions than I will on this particular subject, so let's go to New York and say hello to Scott.
01:37:35.000That's all like corporations, businesses?
01:37:37.000Corporations, businesses, reorganizations, and some of them are for government.
01:37:42.000I'm trying to remember, one of them is for farmers out there, and I believe that's nine, and I don't know whether that's still in effect or not.
01:38:33.000They're not going to be able to get through this, and they're just going to end up in bigger trouble.
01:38:37.000That's exactly what my knee-jerk reaction was, because they have been privatizing the prisons for years and years and years, and I do see... I mean, we know that prison labor has been available for businesses for quite some time.
01:38:50.000I mean, you can get very cheap labor, you know, farming out a particular project, if you have a widget that you want manufactured, and you still want it to say made in the USA, well then, you know, you get a broker and they will handle The arrangements where they have prison workers make pieces for your widget.
01:39:24.000Our legislators pass 20,000 laws every year.
01:39:27.000I mean, one way or the other, no matter what you do and how many T's you cross and I's you dot, you're breaking the law somewhere, and if they catch you, they'll throw you in prison.
01:41:10.000And, uh, and this Vietnam vet, he's, He's a Jesuit and all this other stuff.
01:41:16.000I mean, he's real high up there in the Illuminati.
01:41:19.000And he literally said that Mark, you better take care of business because they're going to clamp down and they're slowly doing that.
01:41:28.000Bush is shredding the Constitution left and right with the Patriot Act and then creating the Homeland Security.
01:41:37.000And I don't know, I just want to know if he does agree or disagree about Us all becoming slaves to the haves and us being the have-nots.
01:41:48.000Okay, Mark, thank you for your question.
01:41:50.000Don, do you think, like, we're thinking that this is going to be heading towards a debtor's prison and a forced labor camp situation?
01:41:57.000Well, I don't know about... Well, debtor's prisons is getting near that point, and it wouldn't surprise me if they did, but you're not a free person if you're in debt.
01:42:07.000You're bound, you know, to the master.
01:42:52.000Regarding the situation, if you're somebody who does not qualify for Chapter 7 or Chapter 13, and you have debts, and for whatever reason you just can't pay them at that time, Well, what can you do?
01:43:09.000Number two, I hear these advertisements on the radio all the time, in fact a lot on Genesis, of these organizations where they say they'll negotiate with the credit card companies and cut the interest and put everything into one lump sum and they'll help you pay it off that way.
01:43:26.000Is that the way to go rather than trying bankruptcy?
01:43:29.000The trouble of it is finding which ones are legit and which ones just spin you around.
01:43:34.000And there are some legit ones out there.
01:43:36.000I don't know which ones they are, but what I've been hearing from people is they're hard to find legit.
01:43:44.000And, uh, but I will tell you, I mean, most credit card companies, whether you're in bankruptcy or not, if you have a cash offer and you can give them a lump sum, it could be as low as a third or 50%.
01:43:56.000If you offer it, you know, them a lump sum, they'll accept it and, you know, close your whole account.
01:44:13.000Because it's going to come on your credit report, and if they don't, then you can sue them.
01:44:21.000The Fair Credit Reporting Act, and there's a couple other federal statutes, they have it.
01:44:26.000They've got only like 30 or 60 days to correct that.
01:44:31.000You know, any derogatory remark on your credit report.
01:44:34.000You know, I mean, if I paid them off, I would wait 30 days, get a credit report.
01:44:39.000And then if they don't, I'd give them a written notice and at that point, and they don't do nothing about it, then I would take them to court and sue them.
01:44:47.000So you're saying that some of these credit card companies, let's say, for example, if you owe them, let's say $5,000, you say, okay, I lost my job or whatever yada yada.
01:45:03.000They might try to negotiate with you a little bit, but by and large they will.
01:45:07.000And even if they wouldn't, took you to court and sued you and got a judgment, they always are willing to, especially after a judgment, they're willing to settle for less because they get the right off the other money in a manner which is very beneficial to them for taxes.
01:45:25.000Okay, now if they do get a judgment against you and they settle on this, does that still go on your credit report?
01:45:31.000However, the state bankruptcy exemptions come into play because every time they get a judgment against you, you're allowed to exempt certain property from civil judgment using your state bankruptcy laws.
01:45:45.000Now they vary from state to state, and I live in a state which doesn't have very good exemptions, but I'm just letting people know that, you know, they just can't take everything.
01:45:56.000They just can't take 100% of your check.
01:45:58.000They can't take all the value, you know, of something.
01:46:02.000You know, you're allowed certain exemptions.
01:46:04.000Like, you know, most states it's 25-30% usually tops of your paycheck a month if they got a garnishment against you.
01:46:15.000As far as the interest rates on some of these cards, I have some that are as high as 22-23%.
01:47:28.000What if all of a sudden our relations with China were to break down here?
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01:47:35.000And what if all of these people that are up to their eyeballs and debt couldn't pay What if America had no choice but to rebuild the very base structure of its own industry, and all these people go bankrupt, and they all get thrown into prisons because of it?
01:47:51.000My goodness, we certainly would need a huge labor force to rebuild and reconstruct industry.
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01:53:21.000We've been talking this hour with Don Markham, who is a paralegal and has been examining a lot of the legislation in regard to bankruptcy laws And he's written an article which is posted in the current issue of the Idaho Observer, which I highly recommend.
01:53:42.000And there's two newspapers in this country that are worth their salt, and that's of course the American Free Press and the Idaho Observer.
01:53:47.000Oh, and I don't want to forget the Lone Star Iconoclast.
01:53:51.000But still, I mean, with one hand I could count the number of newspapers that are decent in this country.
01:53:56.000Don, as we wrap this up here, what is your advice to folks out there?
01:54:02.000I mean, a lot of folks are just saying, hey, look, if there's only one thing, get out of debt.
01:54:36.000Or are we going to direct everybody directly to the Idaho Observer?
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01:54:44.000Somebody out there wants to send me an email and I'll answer a question if they type in Power Hour question or something in the subject line.
01:57:44.000Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, to the Friday morning edition of The Power Hour.
01:58:09.000Straight up, top of the hour, plus one minute.
01:58:14.000And we're going to have open lines for the remainder of the broadcast.
01:58:18.000And a couple of issues here that I wanted to bring to light.
01:58:22.000I understand that you remember the folks from worldcantwait.org.
01:58:27.000We tried to throw them a little bit of support.
01:58:31.000And although we all agree that we have a real problem with the current regime we're living under, my particular philosophy is just like what Jack Palance tried to tell Billy Crystal in the movie City Slickers.
01:59:19.000Well, one thing that they're focusing on is trying to get Bush out of office, and I can agree with that one thing.
01:59:26.000And World Can't Wait has taken out a full-page ad in the New York Times, and it basically screams the headline, Bush Step Down!
01:59:36.000January 31st, President Bush will be giving his State of the Union address, and the State of the Union is in a state of emergency.
01:59:45.000They are basically advocating everybody to uh... protest and demonstrate at eight o'clock eastern standard time around the country in large cities and town squares they want people to rally one hour before bush's address and uh... at nine p m It says, let the world hear as we symbolically drown out Bush's lies.
02:00:10.000Bring your own noise, drums, pots, pans, musical instruments, your voice.
02:00:15.000Let taxi horns blare and church bells ring as we bring our own State of the Union message.
02:00:27.000I think that this is going to be interesting to see how this is going to unfold here.
02:00:33.000I think we can all agree that we have a very serious problem with the direction our country is taking under the Bush regime.
02:00:38.000You may or may not want to participate in this, but I'm sure they have details.
02:00:45.000At their website, worldcantwait.org, and I know some of you folks are saying, wait a second, you're promoting a bunch of people that are advocating homosexuality and abortion and stuff.
02:01:29.000If you've got people in the military, then you are also involved With people of other faiths, people of other beliefs, people of other sexual persuasions.
02:01:40.000That doesn't mean that you're equally yoked with them.
02:01:43.000It just means that you're serving the military in the best way, and if you're serving your country, the best way that you know how.
02:01:51.000So, I am not equally yoked with anybody that has a different philosophy as far as sexuality or abortion or anything like that.
02:01:57.000We can agree with one thing, and that is that the direction this country is taking is absolutely maniacal, it is suicidal, and it is disruptive for the peace and sanctity of this world.
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02:05:52.000Hi everybody, this is Davon Kleist and Joyce Riley, and we all know knowledge is power, and that's why we call this the Power Hour!
02:06:01.000The opinions expressed on this program are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors of this radio station, and those yet to respond.
02:06:20.000Alright, welcome to Hour Number 3 of today's installment of The Power Hour.
02:06:25.000And for those of you listening live, I just want to let you know that we are not answering the phones for the next hour.
02:06:32.000We have a situation, nothing big or anything like that, but we fired up a new heater unit.
02:06:42.000And I don't know if you know about heaters, space heaters and stuff like that, but when you turn them on for the first time, sometimes they smoke a little bit and let off a funny smell.
02:07:20.000I didn't get to it because we had open lines and I almost did it again today.
02:07:24.000But there's a couple of things I wanted to share with you.
02:07:26.000First of all, I got an email here from a student by the name of Matt.
02:07:30.000And he says he's a student at Valparaiso University in Indiana and recently watched the video 9-11 in plain sight and he says he was completely astonished because it was so thought-provoking.
02:07:39.000He says, I'm left in some confusion completely as to what to do about this matter and how to tell people and get this message out in the communities of America.
02:07:47.000I've never heard anyone talk of this movie until my friend introduced me to it, which means people who are unaware or don't care or they'll just never hear of it.
02:07:55.000I want to find a way to present this to a larger audience with a viewing basis without raising a biased view and showing that I neither support liberal or conservative views but stand neutral so that people can see that we're not fighting for a view but for the truth.
02:08:24.000I could go on here, but he wants very much to be able to get folks out there to see this video and start thinking outside the cage, and you go, boy!
02:09:08.000Now also, I have a letter here that was written by Craig, and he was responding to Gordon Farrer, who is the individual that writes for The Age, which is a newspaper in Australia.
02:09:22.000Now The Age, Gordon wrote a very scathing review of 9-11 in plain sight, and it was published before it was aired.
02:09:34.000And I believe it was in that morning's newspaper the night before it was going to be aired.
02:09:38.000And if people caught wind of this thing and read his review both in the newspaper and online they were very upset and understandably so.
02:09:46.000Now for those of you that want to see what this flap is all about we've got the entire exchange between myself and Mr. Farrar.
02:09:52.000Now I don't usually address individuals that slam either Joyce or me.
02:09:57.000I mean we try to stay on the horse because otherwise you end up wrestling in the mud.
02:10:59.000By my getting him to respond and then responding back and getting another response.
02:11:04.000He should have quit when he was ahead because he didn't just shoot himself in the leg.
02:11:08.000He sawed both of his legs off slowly and deliberately at this point.
02:11:13.000People can see exactly where he's coming from.
02:11:15.000Very interesting exchange and check it out at the Power Hour.
02:11:18.000And I also want to thank Craig if you're out there listening.
02:11:20.000Craig E is the first letter of his last name, and he's down under there.
02:11:27.000And I thank you so much for your lengthy response, very articulate, very intelligent response to Mr. Farrar.
02:11:34.000Anyway, that said, and of course for those of you that still, if you've been under a rock and you don't know anything about the 9-11 in plain sight documentary, it is just creating an unbelievable controversy around the world.
02:11:50.000and uh... that the powers that be are desperate to keep people from seeing this or asking the questions that we bring up in that program because the questions are valid they still stand and they will continue to stand until there is an open
02:12:04.000An open and free exchange of ideas and thoughts and the discussion is not influenced in any way shape or form by so-called truth seekers that want to somehow discredit or ridicule anybody that dares ask these questions like, what is the flash?
02:12:30.000They don't want you even talking about this stuff!
02:12:33.000Because if we talk about it, we just might find out that the September 11th attack and the collapse of the towers might have been a result of something other than terrorists with box cutters.
02:12:50.000Now that's not to say that there weren't terrorists involved.
02:12:55.000But just like the analogy that I gave many, it's too long to give now, but I gave many months ago about the unscrupulous individual That had clawed his way up the ladder of success and left in his wake the ruined lives of many honest people.
02:13:10.000And because he felt he was in competition with a guy that lived down the street, he plant bombs around his house.
02:13:16.000And had a button he could push anytime he wanted to blow this guy up.
02:13:21.000But before he did it, he hired a bunch of kids to let off some fireworks for a party he had planned.
02:13:26.000And as the kids let off the fireworks he pushed the button and the house blew up.
02:13:30.000When the firefighters and the police got there they arrested the kids.
02:13:34.000Now my question is, is it possible that Osama Bin Laden and the terrorists were nothing more than those kids that were hired to do a different job?
02:13:43.000Maybe they were involved in something very bad and I don't doubt that they were.
02:13:57.000There's a whole lot more to the story of September 11th than is being brought to the table, and I think the overwhelming majority of the people of the world now realize this.
02:14:05.000The simple fact is, is that every piece of legislation, every military action that's been taken, and every television broadcast by these talking heads, so-called journalists on television, the likes of Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Bill O'Reilly, yeah, I want a piece of you!
02:14:24.000But anyway, all of these people are directly responsible for taking our country, and indeed the world, down a path that is based upon fraud.
02:14:34.000Everything is predicated on September 11th, and if we don't get to the truth about what happened on September 11th, then everything we do is based on a lie.
02:14:46.000And if you're willing to sacrifice your liberty and your freedom, you better understand that they who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty or security.
02:14:56.000If we're going to give up our rights, we better be doggone sure that we don't want them back forever.
02:15:02.000And we better re-examine why we were given these founding documents in the first place.
02:15:08.000Alright, that said, let's start going to the phones, and as I ranted, I shuffled my paper here, and I've lost my... let me see, where is it?
02:15:17.000Richard in New Hampshire, you're the first one up.
02:15:30.000About five years ago, in the Buffalo Service Center in Buffalo, New York, some of the employees over there that were taking some of the returns You know, from all the movie stars?
02:16:22.000And when anybody, uh, taxpayers sent in their checks saying IRS, well what they did is they just put a, you know, period after the I, a period after the R, and they just filled in Smith.
02:16:39.000Three million dollars a day they stole, right?
02:16:42.000Now, they had people out there, their checks weren't being cleared and stuff like that, and of course they had all kinds of fees and penalties and fines and different things, right?
02:16:51.000Not a single IRS agent that was involved in this ever got prosecuted, and not a single one of them ever went to prison.
02:17:08.000It just boggles the mind how the people, you know, they just stood back and they let these government agencies like this just run roughshod over us.
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02:23:27.000But we've got to do something to get folks to rediscover their heritage, their responsibility, and their duty as patriotic Americans to roll up their sleeves, break a sweat, get their fingernails dirty, and realize it is your responsibility to get out there and tend to the garden so that the seeds of liberty will continue to flourish, if they haven't died altogether.
02:23:51.000Alright, we have a first timer on the line.
02:23:58.000You know, the part from that movie you ought to be playing is Ned Beatty taking Howard Eele into that big room and telling him, you do not mess with the primal forces of nature.
02:24:40.000I mean, you know, have a rummage sale and start paying down that stuff and get out from under their debtor prison trap.
02:24:48.000People wake up, you know, the founder of WHRI was a pastor called Lester Sumrall and he, I watched him on the TV talking about, you made a deal with these people and you owe them the money.
02:25:02.000You know, I can understand people who are raising kids and they have to have certain things in their home in order to do things properly, but I mean, there is a limit.
02:25:11.000I mean, because they tell you that this year bath towels are green or burgundy, doesn't mean you have to go out and do that.
02:25:18.000The Bible teaches be content with such things as you have.
02:25:23.000And don't let these advertisements tell you to go into debt for their bottom line.
02:26:00.000I mean, it's sort of like standing in a buffet line, and the guy in front of you starts scooping so much food on his plate, it goes to the floor, and then it's up to his ankles and up to his knees, and he's just taking it because he can.
02:26:30.000Federal Reserve notes, and they're based in, I think they said, insurance law, and anything purchased with those notes actually belongs to the Federal Reserve Bank.
02:26:45.000Yeah, so they own whatever you bought with their notes.
02:26:50.000So, you know, we're in a really sticky situation with that.
02:26:55.000Yeah, well, you see, I don't know what's going to happen.
02:26:59.000I mean, I would love to think that we could defeat these monsters, but sometimes I feel that the only way out of this mess is to allow them to collapse under the weight of their own corruption.
02:27:07.000I think that's how it's going to happen.
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02:31:58.000Okay, that echo is created because when I talk into this microphone, it takes about, I don't know, a quarter of a second or almost a half a second for my voice to go all the way up to Minneapolis, down to the transmitter, up into space, bounce down to the receiver at WHRI, goes out on the international shortwave and comes back in my radio.
02:32:18.000A trip of probably about 38,000 miles.
02:33:10.000But, hey, you definitely want to have one of these.
02:33:14.000Okay, now before we get back to the phones...
02:33:16.000Yeah, I have this clip ready here, because this, again, and I hate to be banging the drum about this movie, Network, but it is so important.
02:33:23.000It's sort of like the movie Braveheart, or the movie The Patriot, you know?
02:33:27.000These are movies that you need to watch every once in a while, just to smack reality right between your eyes, and mine as well.
02:33:35.000So we don't forget about what we have learned, because if you forget your history, you're destined to repeat it.
02:33:42.000This movie came out 30 years ago, 1976, And the message in this movie about the control of the media is truer now than it was then.
02:33:52.000I had no idea when I saw this movie how significant it was.
02:33:57.000And when I saw it again, it was on television about two months ago.
02:34:02.000And I only caught the last half hour, and I said, oh my gosh, I'd forgotten all about that.
02:34:06.000So anyway, I recently obtained a copy, and I watched it the other night, and I tell you, this is must viewing.
02:34:13.000Go to your video store, get a copy of this.
02:34:15.000I'm going to play a clip in this scene.
02:34:19.000Howard Beale, who is the news anchor, who has all of a sudden found this new purpose in life in spreading this message of common sense.
02:34:27.000At one point he goes on his program and he says, hey, the Arabs are taking over the corporations.
02:34:31.000They're taking over our corporation that owns this network and we've got to stop them.
02:34:36.000Well, the owner of the corporation calls Mr. Beale into his office.
02:34:41.000He sits Mr. Beale down, and he closes the curtain, and as the room darkens, he walks to the end of the long table to address Mr. Beale in private, and he speaks.
02:37:13.000How many times have we all heard that?
02:37:16.000However, it was said, in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.
02:37:24.000I'm not going to tell you who made that particular statement, because some of you might get upset, because you're more worried about the messenger than you are the message.
02:38:31.000We've got to get these people mad and you know what the best thing to do that could get them mad and a lot of people get hurt but by golly I think it's worth it.
02:38:41.000If we had a financial collapse in this country We could separate the wheat from the chaff and take this country back.
02:39:06.000We've got some brains here, but we don't have enough red-blooded Americans to get mad enough to take this country over.
02:39:14.000Well, we do, but we've got to figure out a way to get them mad, and that's why I've been saying, Harry, you've been with us for a long time.
02:39:20.000You've been a listener of The Power Hour for many years, and you've heard me say numerous times that I'm sorry, that it seems to me that the only way to get Americans off of their big, fat, pimple-covered, blood, you know, bedsore butts Is to take away their remote control, cancel the football game and a beer delivery, and let them eat something other than pizza.
02:39:45.000Well, if that'll get them mad, that's what I would do then.
02:40:31.000And first is that yesterday I had a very interesting visit with a woman from Huntsville, Arkansas, who's become quite a famous author.
02:40:38.000And she's now in her 70s, has lived all her life in Huntsville, Arkansas, which is a town of about 1,500 people.
02:40:45.000And she became a famous author some years ago, and now she's invited to travel and speak all over the world.
02:40:50.000And so she just got back from Dubai and the Middle East, and she also told me that she's recently been to Europe and Russia and Ukraine and various other places also.
02:41:02.000And so here is, and she's not particularly political.
02:41:14.000She told me, very matter-of-factly, everything that our media and our government tell us about the rest of the world is a total lie.
02:41:21.000And she says this country is the most hated country in the world now because of what our government is doing.
02:41:28.000And she told me that life in this country Is nowhere near as good as Americans are propaganda to believe.
02:41:36.000You know, from what she said, it sounded to her like she thought that people in Moscow and Kiev now have a better life than people in America.
02:41:44.000And she said life was particularly good in Dubai and Saudi Arabia.
02:41:48.000The government there has a lot of money and is doing a lot of good things to help the people with the money.
02:41:52.000So that was very interesting, I thought.
02:41:54.000And she was also telling me about the bird flu.
02:41:56.000And she also told me that the bird flu is a complete hoax.
02:42:01.000That the wild birds don't get it, and the only birds that do are these domesticated birds that are kept in horribly unsanitary conditions, and that the people can't get it unless they have intimate contact with these birds.
02:42:12.000And so she said that the whole idea that the world is in danger from birds is a complete hoax.
02:42:17.000This is what she's learned from traveling around the rest of the world.
02:42:21.000So I thought it was a very interesting conversation.
02:42:23.000Well, sounds to me like some of the things we've talked about on this program are right along those lines.
02:42:29.000And she's never heard your program, but she's saying the same thing.
02:42:43.000Some time ago, I guess about a year and a half ago, a friend of mine told me that if When I got a check and went to deposit it in my bank account, if instead of signing my name on the back of it to endorse it, like we're always taught to do, if I would just print, for deposit only, and then put it in my bank account, then it could not be counted as income that the IRS could, you know, say was my income that I should pay taxes on.
02:43:11.000So I started wondering, well, I wonder what they're going to do with the bank if I do this.
02:43:14.000But anyway, next time I got a check, put for a deposit only where you're supposed to endorse it, and handed it in to the bank teller, and she just passed it through, you know, without a question.
02:43:22.000And so if anybody knows more about the law on that particular little issue, you know, my friend told me about all he could, which is what I've told you, but if there's anybody else that knows more about that, I sure would be interested in hearing about it.
02:44:35.000Yeah, I'm sure that there were several birds with one stone in this particular issue.
02:44:40.000I think that the idea that Larry Silverstein had himself a piece of real estate that was gushing money, just losing money, month after month.
02:44:50.000I mean, from what I understand from William Rodriguez, who was in charge of maintenance there at the Trade Center, he told me that the Trade Center was sitting at approximately a 65% occupancy.
02:45:01.000Which is like, you stop and think about the amount of money that they would be charging for office rentals And there's 35% vacancy.
02:45:09.000My gosh, they were losing tons, millions and millions of dollars every month.
02:45:16.000How would they get out of this particular financial albatross?
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02:51:45.000no we won't back down We won't be turned around.
02:54:42.000But if you as the controller If you steal the money that I've got to pay you back, pay you off, you change the rules, I don't owe you nothing.
02:54:53.000And that's what's happening in this country.
02:55:05.000Now they're trying to do the same thing with Social Security.
02:55:09.000They want to stick it in the stock market so they can crash that.
02:55:13.000Well, this is standard operating procedure, Bill, and it's just a matter of us all getting educated and figuring out how these rats have gotten into a position where they can pull this wool over our eyes time and time and time again.