Alex Jones goes live from Austin, Texas on the 23rd and 24th of February 2006. In the second half of the show, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts joins us to talk about his new book, Against the New World Order: How to Defy the Bush Administration, in the third half, Officer Jack McClam joins us for a chat about his book.
00:00:38.000We're going to be live for the next three hours.
00:00:40.000We have one of Dr. Paul Craig Roberts' colleagues, one of the fathers of Reaganomics, very conservative, joining us to decry the Bush administration and their unconservative and un-American activities.
00:00:54.000He's coming up to talk about his book in the second hour.
00:00:56.000In the third hour, hasn't been on with us in a while, Officer Jack McClam, police and military against the New World Order with some amazing police state Developments for you.
00:01:07.000He's been out of pocket quite a bit in the last four or five months with his wife battling breast cancer, but she's doing a little bit better now, thank God.
00:01:49.000Tommy Franks, who is on Pentagon payroll still, just like the other paid reporters, and every time he goes on TV he says, ah, this is my personal opinion.
00:02:06.000So a paid administration liar, who tried to hide the fact that he's a spokesman, paid close to half a mil a year, is now running around on TV telling us that, I'm the former head of CENTCOM, I think I know what's safe and what ain't, and I'm here to tell you boy, it's a good deal.
00:02:26.000So, we'll get into more of that today, because it just illustrates the continual sell-out of the sovereignty of this country.
00:02:36.000But more than that, it just shows the ongoing subterfuge and lies that we're dealing with.
00:02:43.000And, of course, the bombing of the shrine.
00:02:47.000Over in Iraq, the Iranian president, who I don't agree with on a lot of things, but I do, in a preliminary look at this, it probably was Globalist that blew up this shrine.
00:02:57.000It fits in with publishing the Muslim Mohammedan cartoons.
00:03:01.000It fits in with stirring up the riots.
00:03:03.000It fits in with the P-2-O-G program beautifully, so we'll get into that as well.
00:03:09.000And, of course, yesterday in Toledo, Ohio, three men were arrested by Homeland Security, and it's always the same MO, always the same when it's staged, their handler, their terrorist trainer, or the terror trainer, oh, he's working with the government and he's not going to get in any trouble.
00:03:29.000It's like a SWAT is the mastermind of the bombings in 7-7, and then a week later, a few weeks later, but he's got to be protected now.
00:04:14.000And it was in the front page of the New York Times just a few weeks after, and it's admitted, and I've had FBI agents on the show admitting it.
00:04:21.000Now, of course, it was an accident that they cooked the bomb and trained the driver and then didn't stop them that day.
00:04:26.000They just accidentally cooked the bomb.
00:04:27.000They were planning to sting them, and they're uninformed, so why not build a fake bomb?
00:04:33.000And, uh, so, you know, just, I'm evil, folks, because I read the New York Times and made a documentary about it and, you know, spent a few minutes and wrote a tyranny on the subject.
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00:08:09.000Welcome, my friends, to the second segment of this live, Thursday edition.
00:08:19.000Coming up, we have another defector from the So-called conservative ranks to expose the fact that Bush is anything but conservative.
00:08:28.000And that's coming up in the second hour.
00:08:29.000Then, Jack McClam, police and military against the New World Order.
00:09:18.000The three men arrested in Toledo, Ohio yesterday, their controller, their trainer, their master, oh, he's a government agent and he's going to be protected.
00:09:30.000You've got some former military, current military Arab in control of a few Muslims who they get to shoot their mouths off at the local bar.
00:09:39.000And we've seen this over and over again, but then it furnishes the national headlines of terrorists we're about to hit any minute, and they've never convicted anyone that they've arrested for terrorism.
00:09:51.000I mean, they even grab university professors down in Florida because O'Reilly gets on TV and says he thinks they're a terrorist, and then they're found not guilty by a jury.
00:10:02.000It's the illusion, because there are not real, multifaceted international terrorists outside of international crime syndicates and intelligence agencies.
00:10:11.000The Mossad, the CIA, MI6, German intelligence, French intelligence, they're so much bigger and more powerful than any quote Arab group.
00:10:27.000And so when there's a terror attack in almost every case, in fact we really haven't found cases where it isn't, It's the globalists behind it.
00:10:33.000Now, there may be some Arab woman who goes nuts and stabs 10 Israelis.
00:10:37.000There may be an Arab man or Palestinian who goes and shoots a bunch of people.
00:10:40.000The occasional suicide bombing is real.
00:10:43.000But when you look at the big events, it's globalist ops, and they always stand to gain from it.
00:11:01.000The port sellout and the dismantling of America.
00:11:04.000Globalists swallowing U.S. sovereignty through front countries like UAE, but China threat ignored.
00:11:09.000This is at prisonplanet.com and infowars.com.
00:11:13.000It is a stated goal of the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the CFR, to promote what they call interdependence and to lobby governments to sell off key infrastructure such as roads, lakes, ports, and highways to international corporations so that corporations can grow to be bigger in size than government.
00:11:28.000Forty-four of the world's 100 biggest economies are not countries.
00:11:34.000There is no access to shareholder or CEO records.
00:11:37.000These corporations take over governmental functions by paying off politicians to hand over assets and then declare that there be no means of oversight of their activities.
00:11:47.000In 1997, the Communist Chinese government took over the Long Beach Naval Air Base, the only major deep water port that can take large ships on the west coast.
00:11:54.000In 2000, the Communist Chinese, Hutchinson Whampoa, which is run by the PLA, took over the Panama Canal and a station between 15,000 and 30,000 trips, depends on what time of year it is, at the facilities.
00:12:08.000May we remind our readers that top Chinese generals continue to threaten nuclear attacks on America.
00:12:13.000Well, they take over ports and strategic points, like Freeport in the Bahamas, Long Beach, Panama Canal, it's no problem.
00:12:20.000There is absolutely no mention of the Chinese takeover of these facilities amidst the media merry-go-round of the UAE ports debate, and the same people that now criticize the UAE deal, like Chuckie Schumer, supported the ports sellout to the Communist Chinese under Bill Clinton.
00:12:35.000Continuing here, Alex Jones' first documentary film, America Destroyed by Design, made in 1997, warned Americans that the sellout to the Chinese was the first step on the road to the sacking of the American economy and pulling the plug on key U.S.
00:12:59.000Why are people so concerned about the United Arab Emirates, when the fastest growing military on the planet, And a superpower that continually threatens to annihilate the U.S.
00:13:09.000has been metaphorically handed the keys of the kingdom and is encircling the country.
00:13:13.000During the Chinese sellout, it was Republican politicians that would bash Bill Clinton for making the deal, yet it was yesterday's Republicans and today's neocons who were affiliated with the companies making billions from the transfer to the Chinese.
00:13:25.000This is why we are less than confident that Democrats have any real agenda to stop the UAE deal.
00:13:31.000Just as now, claims of Islamophobia are raised to attack critics of the UAE deal.
00:13:52.000As a country, we are not just being robbed of our ability to create wealth, we are being robbed of our infrastructure, our land, and our capability and capacity to work the land.
00:14:01.000Your currency, your future, and your sovereignty is systematically being dismantled, looted, and sold to the highest bidder.
00:14:08.000The taxpayer pays for and builds the infrastructure only for foreign lobbyists to pay off our corrupt politicians who lease the infrastructure or outright sell it to foreign lobbyists for the last 50, 60, 70 years.
00:14:21.000The continued weakness of the dollar allows foreign entities to step in and buy more and more infrastructure while American families work three or four jobs just to get by.
00:14:29.000The average American now works 2.5 jobs, by the way.
00:14:33.000The United Arab Emirates is a British holding and the British Empire is simply reshuffling some of its marbles.
00:14:39.000Claims that the UAE has links to terrorism are a distraction.
00:14:42.000The fact that the UAE is in the pocket of the globalists and is simply a front for internationalists to swallow up more American sovereignty.
00:14:53.000It is where, similar to Italian Mafia, cartels and different corporate owners meet to affect the same thing as a monopoly.
00:15:00.000They decide which countries will control which interests, and that is how the New World Order works.
00:15:07.000Let me bring you up to speed on the fact that the Germans, the Dutch, predominantly, for some reason, they're the ones that are buying up most of the water districts.
00:15:15.000They own more than any other private company now.
00:15:17.000And they come in, buy it up, pay off politicians, double, triple prices, overnight.
00:15:39.000Let me bring you up to speed on what's happening.
00:15:41.000I've talked a lot about this lately and I'm glad I have because here's an example of it.
00:15:46.000Tommy Franks went all over television and radio and the newspapers A year and a half ago, for several months, saying martial law was the next step before it attacked again.
00:15:55.000Now Bob Woodward's telling the San Antonio Express News that.
00:15:58.000Oh, it's too bad, but we're going to have martial law now.
00:16:02.000And they've got Republican congressmen in congressional hearings saying people protesting the war are really fifth column Islamist terrorists.
00:16:09.000We need to start arresting the peace activists.
00:16:47.000Turned out he was getting over $400,000 from the Bush administration, one of the thousands of media people covertly on the payroll, the $1.6 billion that the Governmental Accounting Office and the GOA just reported on saying it was illegal.
00:17:00.000At first it was illegal a year ago, and now they just issued another report two weeks ago saying it's totally illegal.
00:17:06.000But the government, Bush says, no, no, no.
00:17:24.000Former CENTCOM commanding general, Tommy Franks, said Wednesday that the Bush administration was right to approve a deal for a United Arab Emirates based company to run six U.S.
00:17:55.000Jebel Ali than any other port outside the United States, Franks told Fox News Channel Hannity and Comes.
00:18:00.000The former Iraq war commander explained U.S.
00:18:03.000reliance on Dubai port facility by saying, we know the difference between an enemy and a friend.
00:18:07.000Mmm, boy, that's good Texas talk for you there, boy.
00:18:11.000The Emirates is a friend, Franks said.
00:18:13.000That is the best run port that I've ever seen.
00:18:16.000General Franks on government payroll said Dubai Company has three essential qualities that commended for the task of running U.S.
00:18:24.000The capacity to handle the job, the inclination to do the right security, which he noted will remain in any case in the hands of the United States Coast Guard.
00:19:09.000With all of that going on, I thought that I would just mention the fact here that this is all totally and completely 110% illegal what's going on.
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00:24:22.000We mentioned this yesterday, but it's important to go back over it.
00:24:25.000The Dubai firm that won the Bush administration backing to run six U.S.
00:24:29.000ports, it's eight now we're saying plus, it looks like more than eight, has at least two ties to the White House.
00:24:34.000One is Treasury Secretary John Snow, whose agency heads the federal panel that signed off on the $6.8 billion sale of an English company, the government-owned Dubai Ports World, giving it control of Manhattan's cruise ship terminal and Newark's container port.
00:24:49.000Snow was chairman of CSX Rail firm that sold its own international port operations to DP, Dubai Ports World, for $1.15 billion in 2004, the year after Snow left for President Bush's cabinet.
00:25:04.000So it's just like Halliburton and the rest of it.
00:25:06.000So right there, total conflict of interest, totally obvious what's happening.
00:25:11.000The other concern is David Sanborn, this is even worse, who runs DP World's European and Latin American operations and was tapped by Bush last month to head the U.S.
00:25:25.000He'll still be an agent of these guys, a big stockholder.
00:25:28.000When it happens, he's got millions and millions of dollars personally.
00:25:31.000Billions in the trade deals that are going on here with Snow's sale.
00:25:36.000And here he is, he's going to be the head of the administration that's going to be over all the ports and waterways and in some cases even things on land.
00:25:45.000A very, very sinister agency they've been setting up.
00:25:50.000And it's particularly troubling that the United States would turn over its port security, not only to a foreign company, but a state-owned one, said Western New York's Representative Tom Reynolds, Chairman of the National Republican Campaign Committee.
00:26:15.000But hey, say law, if it violates federal law.
00:26:18.000Bush said, you don't pass the Patriot Act, I'll still enforce it.
00:26:21.000Oh, you say I can't spend billions of dollars for fake newscasts and paying off reporters and having shills operate out there with propaganda?
00:26:28.000Oh, I'm the president, I don't care if it's against federal law, I can do it.
00:26:32.000Oh, you say that I can't do this, I can't do that.
00:26:46.000There is a bipartisan concern about the Bush administration's decision to outsource the operation of six of the nation's largest ports to a company controlled by the United Arab Emirates, because that nation is troubling ties with international terrorism.
00:26:58.000But now it is being revealed that it's not just the ports of New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami, and Philadelphia.
00:27:04.000A major part of the story, however, has been mostly overlooked.
00:27:07.000The company, Dubai Ports World, would also control the movement of military equipment on behalf of the U.S.
00:27:12.000Army through two other ports from today's edition of the British paper Lloyd's List.
00:27:36.000Has been renewed a contract with the United States Surface Deployment and Distribution Command to provide Loading and unloading of military equipment at the Texas ports of Beaumont, Corpus Christi through 2010, according to the Journal of Army Logisticians, if I'm pronouncing that right, almost 40% of the army cargo deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom flows through these two ports, and the ports will be regulated and controlled by Dubai World of the United Arab Emirates.
00:28:07.000There it is, Lloyd's List and the Journal of Army Logisticians.
00:28:13.000So, I guess the Journal of Logistics, to put it in layman's terms.
00:28:18.000So there it is from the Army's own Journal of Army Logisticians and from Lloyd's List.
00:28:26.000You see, that's where we learn all of this with these computer searches.
00:28:31.000And you can, again, just do a CIA-Mozadek terrorism into Google and you'll get links to the CIA admitting our government carries out terror attacks to blame it on foreign enemies.
00:28:44.000Hidden in plain view, right out in the open, and the media is ignoring all of this type of stuff.
00:28:49.000All the stuff that's hidden in plain view.
00:28:52.000The media isn't really talking about how an executive, one of the high-level executives for Europe and Latin America, I mean that's over half their operations according to these reports, will now be the head of the Maritime Administration.
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00:32:59.000By the way, the reason Jack McClan is joining us is because the reason Jack McClan is joining us is because a lady very near and dear to him, who I personally know, over many years over the telephone with her, didn't jump and do everything they said in a jury trial when she was on the jury. didn't
00:33:35.000and And this is very akin to what happened in Kentucky with Kelly Rushing, one of our listeners.
00:33:43.000There was another case where in Tennessee, What, two years ago, where the upstanding member of the community put up a sign in front of his yard, a year and a half after his divorce, saying, our court system is a joke.
00:34:02.000And the judge didn't even say his name.
00:34:50.000If somebody ordered you to jump into a meat grinder, would you do it?
00:34:54.000And of course the judge, last time I saw, was in deep trouble with the state and had a judicial review opened on him and was about to be removed.
00:35:23.000I called the judge at home and I said, sir, are you trying to put this guy in prison for two years for calling it a terroristic threat to give somebody a congressional speech?
00:35:33.000And the judge said, I'm not going to talk about the case, but yes, sir.
00:35:37.000You're not allowed to do that kind of thing!
00:37:18.000No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on a presentment of indictment of a grand jury except in cases arising in land or naval forces or in the militia or in an actual service in time of war.
00:37:32.000That's why they use the quote we're in a war to get the martial law going.
00:37:35.000Well, the Supreme Court just said last year we don't have to even give you just compensation.
00:37:38.000It doesn't even have to be the government.
00:37:40.000to be tried twice in double jeopardy of life and land.
00:37:45.000Nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.
00:37:58.000Well, the Supreme Court just said last year we don't have to even give you just compensation.
00:38:02.000It doesn't even have to be the government.
00:38:03.000It's your private interest once your land will take it.
00:38:25.000here on the Genesis Network on Derry Brownfield, talk about how if God wants him to go to jail, if God wants him to minister in the presence.
00:38:34.000I mean, I don't want to go to prison, but if they want to trump up charges, frame me, that's what God wants.
00:38:39.000You know, when I pray, I just say, God, it's in your hands.
00:38:42.000Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
00:40:01.000It's just that, because that's coming up in the third hour, it's just so outrageous The judge just said, go arrest that man.
00:40:10.000He's got a sign saying our judicial system is a joke.
00:40:14.000That's all it said, and I'm not going to put up with it.
00:40:17.000And they went and arrested him, and he'd been in jail for, what, three days, if memory serves?
00:40:21.000And then state judges heard about it, it was on the news, and they started calling the judge, and wrote him a letter, and had it hand-delivered by police, and said, what's wrong with you?
00:40:31.000You can't just say contempt of court when someone's not even in your court, and just run out and have the police arrest him!
00:40:39.000That is Communist China, ladies and gentlemen!
00:40:42.000By the way, one of the news reporters in China, in Tiananmen Square in the late 80s, who reported on the mass murder there, just got out after 16 years plus, and he's a wreck.
00:41:01.000Oh, but let's give them all our ports, and give them our old bases, and give them the Panama Canal, but let's freak out about the United Arab Emirates.
00:41:08.000Well, I'm freaking out about it because it's all part of our infrastructure.
00:41:13.000And you've got major conflicts of interest, to put it lightly, with the American administration being headed up by UAE's executive, and of course Snow, running a company making billions off deals with these people.
00:41:26.000Let me just cover this Village Voice article?
00:41:30.000If I cover this now, I may not have time to get into this story.
00:41:38.000Yeah, let me go ahead and just cover this first.
00:41:41.000Frankly, again, three days ago, I read the big hit piece on myself and others in the Village Voice, and frankly, I mean again, people want me to comment when some internet blog tells lies about me.
00:41:57.000And I don't respond, because if I responded all day to attacks on myself and others, the whole show would be about that.
00:42:05.000That's why so many shows are failures out there, so-called patriot shows, because it's just ninnying, self-centered babble-fest.
00:42:13.000But this one's interesting just because of the claims they make.
00:42:18.000So if I have time later, I'll cover it, but it's up on PrisonPlanet.com and Infowars.com right now.
00:42:25.000But looking at manufactured staged events, there have been arrests in Florida, arrests in Oregon, arrests in Washington, arrests in Texas, arrests in Illinois, arrests in Minnesota, arrests all over the place.
00:42:37.000Hundreds of people, okay, hundreds of U.S.
00:42:41.000citizens And many of them just disappear and are taken to what they call black world or black ops sites in the former Soviet Union, Georgia and other places, Prague, where they're tortured.
00:42:53.000But the cases we know of, they've never had one single conviction.
00:42:58.000When they do, a few cases taken to court, juries say, no way, this person's totally innocent, this is a joke.
00:43:03.000And then the jurors are quoted in local journals saying, the government was involved, I can't believe it!
00:43:07.000I can't believe what I heard in there!
00:43:27.000So, continuing with this, Toledo area man arrested for terrorist activity.
00:43:33.000And they've arrested these guys, and you read into the article, and it says that their trainer, their controller, who had military connections and couldn't quite stick with it, it'll come out in a few months, it always does, but the MO's clear, it's a government ob.
00:43:46.000It's one of these Arab sheep-dipped, that's what they call it, special forces when you're, you know, quote, get out of special forces and they erase your history and then you become an op.
00:43:55.000There's 5,000 plus of these that we know of, source Washington Post.
00:44:01.000brought in the Iraqi Republican Guard at the end of the last Gulf War.
00:44:04.000He'd been trained here in the 80s in torture and espionage when Saddam was our ally.
00:44:08.000They carried out the Oklahoma City bombing as operatives.
00:44:11.000And it's pure genius by the globalists, because if they get caught then, they can just sell out their own officers, just like with 9-11, and say that it was just Arabs.
00:44:25.000Well, you know, before I cover this, let me just give you some background.
00:44:29.000In my film, Police State 2 The Takeover, released in 2000, six years ago, my second police state film, we spend about, I don't know, five, six minutes just on one little subject.
00:45:39.000And this FBI informant and other FBI agents spend three years Getting these two trailers next door to each other to declare themselves Supreme Grand Dragons, and the FBI informant and the agents try to get them to say they're going to blow up the chemical plant, but they're so dumb they can't.
00:45:58.000And literally the descriptions of these people.
00:46:12.000And they just drive around, they talk about how they're going to rob banks, how they'll take over the White House, how they're going to be world rulers.
00:46:20.000And they don't even have money to buy guns, so the FBI buys them guns and then they take them out and they put black powder in a bottle and blow it up out in a field and talk about how it's their bomb.
00:46:32.000And of course, the FBI guy goes, let's videotape it, because it's just like the Viper Militia.
00:46:37.000They go get a meth-dealing biker gang You know, out west to just say they're a militia, then they bust them with guns and methamphetamine.
00:47:29.000And then they bust him and it's big national news, a massive plant, a chemical plant, a huge mechanized force of incredible Klan members working with Muslims, totally deadly.
00:47:39.000Then it all comes out, it's fake, it's staged, it's total lie.
00:48:24.000This isn't just entrapment like where the, where the, where cops say in Seattle bars, they now own a whole bunch of the bars, then the cops do the bust, you control the bars, it's mafia tactics.
00:48:34.000They will, cops will sell people cocaine in your restroom.
00:48:37.000In nice upscale bars and restaurants, and then because they sold somebody a little bag of cocaine or a small crack rock, in your bathroom they take your establishment because the judge is involved.
00:48:48.000That's been in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and the Seattle Times.
00:49:34.000According to the indictment from the U.S.
00:49:36.000Attorney's Office, the suspects are, and it goes on to list their names, in the Toledo area, Muslims.
00:49:42.000And it goes on to say that the indictment also names an unidentified co-conspirator called The Trainer, who has U.S.
00:49:50.000military background in security and bodyguard training.
00:49:54.000In court, one of the indictment prosecutors said the three men met as many times and going back as far as November of 2004, the three reportedly conspired to recruit and train others for violent jihad against the United States forces and U.S.
00:50:22.000I had John Lopp, this former head of counter-terrorism for the FBI on this show, to say, yes, looks like the British are behind the bombings.
00:50:31.000I mean, that isn't Alex Jones saying that.
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00:56:29.000Say that Ronald Reagan was an evil commie too.
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01:00:08.000For this hour, we are really honored to be joined by a colleague of Paul Craig Roberts and of Ron Paul, both regular monthly guests for years here on this broadcast.
01:00:17.000We've been interviewing Ron Paul for 12 years.
01:00:20.000That's not true, 11 years the first time I interviewed him.
01:00:35.000Bruce, I mean, I can cover your bio, but I mean, what do you think we should tell folks about you instead of reading five pages?
01:00:43.000Well, in light of your introduction, I would mention that the first major job I ever had out of college was working for Ron Paul when he was elected to Congress back in 1976.
01:00:51.000And after Ron was defeated, I went to work for Jack Kemp, where I replaced Paul Craig Roberts on the staff.
01:01:02.000So I've known both of those men for 30 years or more.
01:01:06.000Well, there's no better endorsement than that.
01:01:08.000Those are two of my favorite people who have been exposing what's happening.
01:01:11.000We're going to break here in a moment.
01:01:12.000I want to come back and recap a lot of what we said, but why did you decide to start going public and criticizing what's happening with Bush?
01:01:20.000Well, I just think he's really gotten the Republican Party off onto the wrong track.
01:01:24.000And as his presidency runs out and the Republicans have to choose a new leader to run for president in 2008, I think we need to have a reassessment of the legacy of Bushism and ask ourselves, do we want to continue this or do we want to go in a different direction or hopefully go back to the roots of the party and find another Reaganite who can get us back on the right track?
01:01:53.000Ron Paul, three years ago, gave a 45-minute speech titled, Neocon'd, and he laid out just the traitorous nature of these neocons, or bunch of Trotskyites.
01:02:05.000Well, one of the things I did in this book, to try to make it as accessible as possible, is to stay away from the really hot-button issues like Iraq, and social issues, and things like that, and I'm an economist, so I concentrated just on economic policy.
01:02:22.000And that's where I really think that the worst, at least from my point of view, where he has done the most harm in terms of going against the Reagan philosophy of increasing government spending rather than cutting it.
01:02:36.000And for me personally, the Medicare drug benefit was The line in the sand where I think we just made a really, really serious mistake.
01:02:48.000I mean, they can try to make it partisan and claim, oh, you're with the Democrats if you're against Bush on his pro-gun control stance or his open border stance, but there's no debating the fact that he spent more money than all presidents before him combined.
01:03:02.000I tried to ask myself, what is the one thing, the one unifying principle That every person who considers themselves to be a conservative or right-of-center in this country, and it seems to me that it's your philosophy of government.
01:03:16.000Are you for big government or are you for small government?
01:03:19.000And I think all conservatives basically are united around, at least in theory, the idea that we ought to have the smallest government we can get away with.
01:03:27.000And Bush calls himself a big government conservative, and I think that's a contradiction in terms.
01:03:36.000We'll come back, tell you more about him and his book, and then let him, as an economist, chronicle how Bush is 180 degrees from what you call, I guess, Paleolithic, more ancient conservatism.
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01:06:59.000Okay, so we've got one of the great granddaddies of Reaganomics, love it or hate it, on with us, a colleague of Paul Craig Roberts' Dr. Roberts is a routine guest with us.
01:07:12.000Of course, he first got involved in government working for Congressman Ron Paul back in 76, when the Congressman was first in Congress.
01:07:19.000Bruce Bartlett is the author of Reaganomics, which was named one of the Wall Street Journal's best business books of the year of 1981 and 1980.
01:07:27.000He was Executive Director of the Joint Economic Committee of Congress, and he later worked The Reagan White House, as the first Bush Treasury Department.
01:07:36.000Bartlett writes a nationally syndicated newspaper column, and his work has appeared in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Fortune, Commentary, and other national publications.
01:09:09.000Well, I think the genesis of the book started on November 22, 2003, which you may recall was the day of the infamous three-hour vote in the House of Representatives, when the President and his allies, Tom DeLay and others, brought to bear enormous political pressure.
01:09:29.000On Republicans in Congress, conservatives particularly, to support this massive increase in Medicare spending.
01:09:36.000And up until that time, you can check the record, I was generally pretty supportive of everything the President did.
01:09:42.000And that really was like a cold slap in the face.
01:09:48.000I suddenly realized that this guy ain't one of us, speaking as a traditional mainstream movement conservative.
01:09:59.000And after that I began questioning more and more the things Bush was doing, and I started writing more and more critical things about him in my columns and things like that.
01:10:10.000And this sort of culminated in an infamous interview that I gave to the New York Times in their magazine just before the election, that you may recall.
01:10:20.000But anyway, after that I was, you know, Chastised by my former employers, a think tank up in Dallas, and after that I decided that I needed to express my views more fully, and I started writing the book just about a year ago, in February of 2005, and it's just been published this week.
01:10:43.000And things are just getting more and more insane.
01:10:45.000Let's talk about, just up front, Bush has spent more money, and it's accelerating every day, than all presidents combined.
01:10:55.000I don't have those figures in front of me, but I did do a calculation a couple of weeks ago that you might find of interest.
01:11:02.000I went through official government reports, something called the Financial Report of the United States Government, which is published by the Treasury every year.
01:11:10.000And it calculates the total government debt, not just what we call the national debt, but all this off-budget debt, this implicit debt for things like future benefits for Social Security, Medicare, and things like that.
01:11:22.000And if you compare the last one of those reports in the Clinton years and the most recent one that's been published as of September 30 last year, there's been an increase in debt under President Bush of $20 trillion.
01:11:38.000Now, that's obviously an increase in debt, again, you know, many times greater than that existed in previous history.
01:11:49.000I'm sure you saw that big Economic Think Tank report in the Dallas Morning News two and a half years ago, where they said the real national debt for future expenditures and things we'd already signed on to was at, what, $43 trillion?
01:12:04.000Yeah, well, it depends on how you count the numbers.
01:12:06.000I think that was Scott Burns, if I'm not mistaken.
01:12:09.000But you're saying another $20 trillion on top?
01:12:14.000So, I mean, the last time I looked up the numbers, including the Medicare drug benefit, the unfunded liability of Medicare was $68 trillion.
01:12:27.000And the unfunded liability of Social Security is about $11 trillion.
01:12:33.000So we're talking about $80 trillion of unfunded future debts that are already on the books that will have to be paid for just those two programs of $80 trillion.
01:12:44.000And then of course you have other debts on top of that as well for just the treasury bonds that are out there that we call the national debt.
01:12:53.000And so we have those unfunded commitments that just balloon and balloon.
01:12:57.000Then we have the dollar being somewhat devalued.
01:12:59.000What about the neocon listener right now who just thinks it's impossible, we must be Soviet agents and we're saying Bush isn't God incarnate.
01:13:07.000They go, it's the war, that's why we're spending more.
01:13:10.000But then I look at the numbers, the war is a small part of total spending increases.
01:13:15.000But it's going to get bigger in the future, of course.
01:13:19.000But what I would say to the neocons who have been saying for some time that, look, everything you're saying is right, but the war on terror is so important that it just doesn't really matter.
01:13:30.000We just can't be bothered with these trivial problems on the domestic side.
01:13:36.000Well, I would ask them, what do they think about the ports business, you say?
01:13:40.000Because that, it seems to me, is illustrative of the problems I'm talking about in my book, where they have, clearly, an utterly dysfunctional policy development process.
01:13:52.000I mean, it's just beyond my comprehension.
01:13:54.000Leaving aside the substance, let's just talk about the politics.
01:14:00.000How could anybody who works in politics, who works in the White House or the Treasury Department or anyplace else, Look at this deal and not say, oh my God, you know what's going to hit the fan when this comes out.
01:14:12.000We better find some way to at least...
01:14:17.000Well, yeah, we were already in trouble financially and probably going to be bankrupt six years ago, but instead it's been likened to looting or when you poison cockroaches, they start fornicating before they die.
01:14:27.000I mean, it seems like there's just a mad stripping the ship before it goes under.
01:14:32.000I mean, I mean, do you see that they're just like wild eyed foaming at the mouth, greedily grabbing everything?
01:14:40.000Not just that, but the corporate interest controlling the Bush administration, and all the sweetheart deals and contracts, the spending!
01:14:46.000It's like somebody who knows they're going bankrupt, so they're just going to jack up the bills as high as possible.
01:14:52.000Well, look, one of the things that I think is behind this Ports deal is the fact that we've had this massive trade deficit for the last several years, and so the foreigners are sitting on all of these dollars, okay?
01:15:06.000Now, they have to be able to buy something with those dollars, or they're going to get rid of them, and the dollar will crash.
01:15:11.000In fact, that's now coming out in some mainstream columns, that this is Cheney that wants this port deal, and that's only a small part of it.
01:15:17.000Is that why Spanish company Centra is being given almost every major road in Texas?
01:15:23.000I'm not familiar with that, but I do know that if you're a foreigner and you're holding dollars, if you're not interested in buying American goods and services, then you have to be able to buy American assets.
01:15:36.000And if we tell the UAE, we're not going to allow you to buy this port deal, then I think a lot of foreigners are going to say to themselves, well, gee, if we're not going to be able to buy American assets, then what do we need these dollars for?
01:15:53.000So I think what their main concern is, is maintaining the value of the dollar so that there isn't a run on the dollar as people unload all of their dollar-denominated assets.
01:16:05.000And if foreign currencies and dollarized currencies, and you've got the doctorate in economics, I'm trying to understand this, if that starts flowing back into the country, I mean, we're going to see the entire infrastructure being bought off.
01:16:20.000Well, the alternative, unfortunately, is worse, which is that people start selling their dollars and buying yen, or Deutsche Marks, or Euros, or whatever, And the dollar will suddenly fall very precipitously.
01:16:37.000But this is what we always saw with Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Nigeria, and all these third world countries where they're totally bankrupt and foreign interest is coming in and buying everything up.
01:16:48.000Well, if you've been talking to Paul Craig Roberts, then you know his theories about all this, that that's exactly what is in the cards.
01:16:56.000And even, you know, many liberals such as Paul Craig, I'm sorry, Paul Krugman, Or saying somewhat the same thing.
01:17:03.000It's something that I'm very concerned about and I think that there's a fragility to the international financial system where even the smallest interruption in the flow of capital could have major repercussions on the domestic market and really put us into a financial crisis overnight.
01:17:25.000Because our economy isn't manufacturing or value-added products now, it's just juggling a fiat currency.
01:17:33.000And why foreigners have been so eager to buy dollars.
01:17:39.000I mean, one of the reasons why we've had the problems we've had over the last few years is that it seemed as if we could have our cake and eat it too.
01:17:48.000That is, we've been running up large government deficits And historically, the constraint on our ability to have deficits is that if you borrow more and more on Wall Street, it causes interest rates to go up.
01:18:03.000And at some point that becomes a constraint, a political and economic constraint on borrowing.
01:18:09.000But what we've had is the Chinese, Who want to keep their currency low, and so they buy dollars to keep the value of their currency down and our currency up.
01:18:22.000And the way they do this is by buying Treasury securities.
01:18:25.000So they've been, in effect, buying our national debt.
01:18:28.000And they've been buying control of that, correct?
01:18:30.000Well, it's not so much control as the fact that they've been allowing us to have a free lunch.
01:18:38.000That we shouldn't have been allowed to have in terms of being able to run up huge government deficits.
01:18:43.000But that does give them incredible leverage over us.
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01:24:01.000And of course Jefferson was our third president, so that's a pretty damn long time.
01:24:05.000Well sir, I mean you talk about selling off to foreign interest.
01:24:09.000From Indiana to Texas, a foreign Spanish company is just being seeded in secret deals, almost all the major state and local roads, for a pittance.
01:24:19.000You talk about foreign investment coming back in.
01:24:21.000German and Dutch companies are buying up.
01:24:23.000They're the majority owners now in the aggregate.
01:24:28.000By majority, they don't own 51%, but they're the biggest single owners, these two companies, of water districts.
01:24:36.000Well, as I said earlier, I think that this is the inevitable consequence of a trade deficit that has put a lot of dollars into foreigners' hands, and they have to find something to buy with those assets.
01:24:50.000And a lot of economists believe that the trade deficit is simply the flip side to the budget deficit.
01:24:57.000That is, one, in effect, causes the other, because we don't have enough sufficient domestic saving to buy all those Treasury bonds that the Treasury is issuing, and foreigners have to, in effect, provide that financing.
01:25:11.000And that inflow of capital, whether it goes into Treasury bonds directly or whether it goes into some other domestic investment, is, in effect, what's financing our national debt.
01:25:25.000Why has Bush, when you talk to these people and you work with them, why are they accelerating the debt and the spending?
01:25:34.000I know a lot of it's cronyism and crony capitalism and giving contracts to their buddies, but why?
01:25:40.000Why we're already in such massive debt and we've got this trade deficit, why are they going off the deep end with the spending?
01:25:48.000Well, there's a joke about why dogs do certain things that I could use to respond, and the answer is, because they can.
01:25:55.000And I think that that's really what it boils down to.
01:25:58.000Because of what we were talking about earlier, because the Chinese and Japanese and others have been so aggressive in buying Treasury securities, they've prevented the normal economic workings that would have caused interest rates to rise by now, Which would have put political and economic pressure on the Congress and the President.
01:26:21.000To hold back on spend, or try to hold back on deficits.
01:26:25.000Well, Mr. Bartlett, I'm sure you've read some of the Trilateral Commission founding documents, and this is exactly what they said they wanted to do.
01:26:32.000You talk about Paul Craig Roberts, you know, he says it is an economic conspiracy, and we've got a lot of World Bank and IMF documents on this.
01:26:38.000We've got the Joseph Stiglitz documents, where they wanted to set up a global economic atmosphere that was conducive for corporate takeovers.
01:26:49.000Well, I do believe in free trade, and I do believe in the free mobility of capital, because it does go in both directions.
01:26:58.000investments in foreign countries as well that offset the investments here.
01:27:03.000But I'm just saying that as a matter of simple economics, if you're running a huge trade budget deficit, you're going to run a trade deficit.
01:27:11.000And if you're going to run a trade deficit, you're going to have dollars in foreign hands that have to have some place to go.
01:27:18.000And if they can't invest here, or they don't want to invest here, then they're going to unload those assets and buy assets in other countries.
01:27:26.000But is it free trade to have a million, three hundred million Chinese, many of them at slave wages, many of them actually slaves in slave factories?
01:27:34.000How is it free market to compete against slaves?
01:27:37.000Well, I think you're mixing apples and oranges.
01:27:40.000I mean, I think there are lots of problems with the Chinese situation, but what I'm Resistant to is the idea that we ought to be putting on tariffs or other restrictions on foreign imports.
01:27:53.000Because for one thing, that's going to encourage other countries to put restrictions on our exports.
01:27:59.000And the last time we did something along those lines, it was the smooth hauling tariff and that led to the Great Depression.
01:28:06.000So I think we need to deal with these things Well, I would agree with you, but our balance of trade was much larger.
01:28:18.000It wasn't so out of whack back in 1928, sir.
01:28:24.000Well, that's true, but we still had a huge decline in the amount of exports.
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01:32:26.000It's put out by Doubleday, and I haven't read the whole book yet, but I've read a lot of it, and it's really good ammo for your conservative friends and family that think a doubling and the size of the government is conservative.
01:32:38.000And again, most of that is all these big socialist programs.
01:32:42.000I want to get into the 2008 election and how serious that is, Mr. Bartlett.
01:32:48.000But first, I want to get just more into the record of George Bush.
01:32:51.000I don't think conservatives realize what he's done with federal agencies.
01:32:55.000I mean, the new Freedom Initiative for Forced Psychological Testing and Drugging, national ID cards, all these federal agencies on average, again, doubling in size.
01:33:06.000It's a total takeover by the government.
01:33:09.000Well, it is true that there's been a huge increase in the total number of federal employees under Bush's watch.
01:33:17.000But I'm, like I said before, I'm an economist.
01:33:21.000I'm trying to stick to just the economic issues because I think that that's...
01:33:26.000The one area where there just really isn't any serious disagreement among conservatives about what it means to be a conservative.
01:33:35.000And I think this idea of compassionate conservatism or big government conservatism is just really a slap in the face to those of us who consider ourselves still to be Reaganites.
01:33:47.000Now, Hillary Clinton had a big poll yesterday, and over two-thirds of Americans think she'll run for president, but only a third think she'll win.
01:33:55.000I was talking to you during the break.
01:33:57.000You think Hillary's probably going to be it.
01:33:59.000Oh, I don't think there's any question that she'll get the Democratic nominee.
01:34:04.000The main knock against her is not that people, the Democrats, don't agree with her philosophy or anything like that.
01:34:11.000It's because they just don't think she can win.
01:34:14.000But keep in mind that she is running for re-election to the Senate this year.
01:34:20.000She has essentially no opposition in New York.
01:34:24.000Two candidates on the Republican side have already dropped out, and I don't even think there's anybody even running for the Republican nomination at this point.
01:34:33.000So she's going to win, probably with an 80% majority.
01:34:38.000And I think when that happens, it's going to put to an end these concerns that Democrats have.
01:34:44.000Now, conservatives see Democrats when they're corrupted for big government, but they can't see it when Bush is doing it.
01:34:49.000And I see Democrats, if Hillary gets elected, suddenly thinking Patriot Act II is good, secret arrest is good, FEMA camps are good, big government's good.
01:34:58.000We've got Republican congressmen saying that anti-war protesters are fifth column people that need to be arrested.
01:35:04.000So there's this whole police state atmosphere.
01:35:06.000Ron Paul has said on this broadcast a few weeks ago, he believes we could go into martial law of dictatorship.
01:35:12.000All these powers that Bush is claiming he has, these imperial powers, I guess will be handed over to Hillary.
01:35:17.000I guess all these conservatives are going to love that.
01:35:20.000Well, I think that's one of the things people ought to be concerned about when they do anything that the government does.
01:35:26.000Is it silly to assume that your own side is going to be in control indefinitely?
01:35:32.000And you have to operate on the assumption that the other side will be back in control eventually.
01:35:38.000And it is true that parties' attitudes about certain things do change when they get into office.
01:35:46.000For example, Democrats thought the special counsel law was the greatest thing since sliced bread when they were indicting Republicans.
01:35:53.000But as soon as the special counsel started to be used against Bill Clinton, they decided it was really a bad piece of legislation and it was allowed to expire.
01:36:01.000Well, Democrats didn't care about the communist Chinese who threatened to nuke us routinely, getting the Panama Canal and the Long Beach Naval Base, but then now the UAE, they're freaking out, running around, pulling their hair out, doing good investigations.
01:36:16.000I just stand with the Constitution, and that's my litmus test for any party.
01:36:21.000Well, I think that that's the right way to do things, and I think the Democrats have hurt themselves with this, you know, swing one way when it's in your favor and go the other way when it's not.
01:36:32.000But in terms of 2008, what I think Hillary's going to do is she'll be able to raise, let's face it, virtually unlimited sums of money.
01:36:42.000She's going to have the best advisors that the Democratic Party's got, not the least of whom is her husband, Whatever else you think about him is a political genius, and I think he's going to guide her to a re-election this year that is going to frame the kinds of issues that she thinks is going to win for her in 2008.
01:37:02.000So you think the surrogate son of the Bush family, who they vacation with and love, you think he'll help her?
01:37:12.000Isn't that sick of the Bushes and the worship fest with Clinton?
01:37:16.000Well, I think if I were Bill Clinton, I would think that if I could put my wife in the White House, this would in effect be wiping the slate clean for all the things that happened on my watch, such as Lewinsky, that are a stain on my record.
01:37:34.000So, I think he's going to move heaven and earth to get her elected.
01:37:38.000And I think the idea of being the first, whatever we call the... We've never had anything except first ladies.
01:38:09.000Well, I think Jeb is a smart guy and not a fool, and I think he has to understand that 2008 isn't his year.
01:38:17.000He'll probably wait another four or eight years.
01:38:20.000Well, I think 2012 makes a lot more sense from his point of view, and that's one of the things that I criticize Bush in the book for, to get around to it, is the fact that he has not Anointed a successor who will be in a position to hold the White House for the Republicans.
01:38:38.000Well, that's because, frankly, I think they're in league, and a lot of experts are saying, with the Clintons.
01:38:43.000Well, I wouldn't go that far, but I do think that... No, really?
01:38:46.000Well, what I would focus on here is Dick Cheney, who I think is, even by people like you, underappreciated in his influence on this President.
01:38:58.000And I think he, under the President, I think he should have gotten rid of Cheney in 2004 to put into play.
01:39:07.000But isn't Cheney really the president?
01:39:08.000I mean, Bush has taken three hour naps.
01:39:11.000I think Cheney is... I think Cheney and Bush are two sides of the same coin.
01:39:17.000They complement each other's weaknesses.
01:39:24.000You know, it's like your kid is a drug addict May comes to you and says, you know, please give me some money for treatment.
01:39:31.000You give them the money for the treatment, they go out and buy more drugs.
01:39:33.000And they do this over and over and over again.
01:39:35.000And I think that in many ways what Cheney does is allow Bush to pursue Things that he has bad instincts.
01:39:44.000Well, a Fox News commentator was saying that Cheney needs to probably step down and to put somebody into position then for the springboard into the presidency.
01:39:53.000Well, I've been hearing talk about that for a long time, but it seems a little too conspiratorial for me.
01:39:59.000Does Dick Cheney live in Darth Vader's metal egg?
01:40:01.000I mean, how does he stay alive after six heart attacks and all this?
01:40:22.000Well, whatever happened in reality, it certainly showed incredibly poor political judgment to handle the release of the information the way they did.
01:40:33.000And it shows an arrogance and contempt for the media and for the right of the people to know what their leaders are doing.
01:40:41.000And anyway, my point is that I think it would have been very easy in 2004 for Cheney to step aside and for Bush to put somebody else in.
01:40:50.000And I don't even know who that would be, but just somebody who would be in a position to replace him.
01:40:57.000In 2008, and give the Republicans a better chance.
01:41:02.000You think there's a... and then I want to take some calls, and I appreciate you joining us.
01:41:06.000Do you think that's a real split when Brett Krokoff talks about Bush being a nut and the war being a joke, whenever even Senior makes little comments?
01:41:16.000You know, this old guard, or when Colin Powell, Chief of Staff, goes public and says they're a bunch of crooks, basically.
01:41:27.000We'll take a historian and a psychologist and lots of other people to figure out the relationship between the father and son, but clearly there's a split there, and clearly the father and many of the people around him, such as Brent Scowcroft, have been deeply disturbed by many of the things the son has done.
01:41:56.000I'm mainly concerned about what we were talking about earlier in terms of Hillary Clinton being the Democratic nominee, and if she's running against a weak Republican opponent, then she's going to win.
01:42:08.000And I'd really rather not have Hillary Clinton in the White House.
01:42:56.000Well, yes, but on the other hand, nobody except Bill Clinton could have given us Republican-controlled Congress, and maybe Hillary will bring about Getting the Republicans in Congress to go back to being what we had hoped they would be when they were elected first in 1994, to really be a constitutionalist and stand up for federalism and freedom and the other things that you and I are interested in.
01:43:23.000Well, let's blast through some phone calls.
01:43:25.000The book is Imposter, and it's by Bruce Bartlett, and it's put out by Doubleday.
01:43:43.000I wanted to ask you, I was watching your interview with Gary Busey today in Malibu, and I was wondering if he told you what he saw on the other side.
01:44:06.000I'd just like to ask Mr. Bartlett a couple of questions about his trade policy.
01:44:10.000He said that he believes in free trade because otherwise countries would Slap us with tariffs, but doesn't China have a 30% tariff on our goods coming in right now anyway?
01:44:20.000They even have a higher in some cases.
01:44:38.000- Doesn't it destroy American manufacturing when you let them sell us goods made by slave labor and put Americans out of work? - Well, I think that I believe in free trade for the same reason that I believe in a free market.
01:44:55.000I think if you want to sell something to people in New York... But what he's saying, sir, is free trade is where they don't have tariffs that are bigger than ours.
01:45:02.000I don't think one has anything to do with the other.
01:45:04.000I think that free trade So it's not just slave labor, it's not just a weaker currency.
01:45:13.000On top of it, it's okay for them to have high tariffs and it's free trade.
01:45:17.000I thought free trade was both sides just saying, we're going to be free.
01:45:21.000No, I mean, obviously it would be in our interest as well as the Chinese interest for them to have free trade as well.
01:45:28.000But it doesn't follow that if they don't have free trade, then we shouldn't have free trade either.
01:45:35.000I think that it's in our interest to allow for the free importation of all goods from any country, because that's what's in the best interest of the consumer.
01:45:44.000Do you come from the Keynesian school, the Austrian school, and what school of economics do you follow?
01:45:49.000Well, I don't know any school of economics that doesn't favor free trade.
01:46:06.000I think free trade's where both sides don't have tariffs.
01:46:09.000Well, you're simply defining the term differently than it exists in economics.
01:46:13.000Well, I think it's been... I mean, our country had record growth under tariffs, and, you know, 10% growth a year until we got into all this, quote, you know, modern mumbo-jumbo.
01:46:25.000And all I can say about this, and I'll let the caller go because I want to move on to some others, and then I'll let you comment on this, Mr. Bartlett, is that I mean, let's take the millions of Americans in private prisons working for 20 cents an hour, building things that are displacing American workers.
01:46:41.000Now, it isn't free trade when you've got government-subsidized prisons with a private factory on the back of them, where I'm competing against people working for 20 cents an hour.
01:46:50.000Look, if you put on restrictions on foreign imports, it's going to raise the prices of the goods that people have to buy.
01:46:56.000But I'm asking, is that free trade when I compete against a prisoner?
01:46:58.000That's going to reduce the standard of living.
01:47:00.000But when I compete against a prisoner, sir, is that free trade?
01:47:05.000Yeah, you're just defining the terms to mean something different than what they mean.
01:47:33.000The cheapest, best quality goods at the best price, because that's what's best for me, not me personally, but me as the consumer, and I believe that the consumer is the final arbiter of what is right in terms of trade policy.
01:47:46.000Well, that's a libertarian view, then.
01:47:51.000I'm just trying to get where you're coming.
01:47:52.000I mean, you've certainly got a degree in this and all, but I think that it's a little bit patronizing to say you're just changing the definition of things.
01:47:58.000I mean, I'm quite a history buff, and I know what our trade policy was in the past, at least generally.
01:48:02.000Well, you're defining free trade to mean that both parties have to have free trade, and that's just not right.
01:48:22.000I think our communities are disintegrating.
01:48:23.000I mean, I don't think this is, this is a race to the bottom.
01:48:27.000Look, the IMF World Bank documents say that they want to do this.
01:48:31.000Well, don't get me wrong, I think there's a lot of problems in our trade policy, and I think there's a lot of problems in our economy and our society, but I just don't think they necessarily have anything to do with each other.
01:48:40.000I think our main problems are domestic, that we've imposed upon ourselves, and insofar as we have a problem in terms of our manufacturing, I think it probably has more to do with things like government regulations and environmental wackos who make it impossible for our manufacturing industries to compete on a fair basis.
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01:53:45.000We shouldn't be competing against prisons, folks.
01:54:25.000Yeah, I mean, when we're utterly dependent upon hundreds of billions of dollars of foreign capital inflows every year to maintain our equilibrium.
01:54:36.000Really, we're a one-crop economy with a fiat currency being the crop.
01:54:40.000Well, actually, what the export is is treasury bonds.
01:54:44.000We're really good at printing those up and sending them off to Beijing.
01:54:48.000And we've got a military that backs it up, and that's the economy.
01:54:51.000But yeah, except that can only last for so long, and the only thing I know is that trends that cannot continue don't.
01:54:59.000Yeah, what goes up must come down, so tell us, sir, give us your prediction.
01:55:05.000I think one of these days we're all going to go to sleep at night and wake up in the morning and find out that something really terrible happened overnight and the stock markets are going to crash and all of a sudden all of these trends that you and I have been talking about, whether it's fiscal trends or monetary trends or trade flows, all this stuff is going to have to be totally reassessed and we're going to have a massive budget deal and probably a big tax increase.
01:55:30.000Oh boy, Mark in Texas, you're on the air, welcome!
01:56:00.000And so one thing I've done is I've just said, You know, if I gotta be out here competing with illegal Mexicans for jobs and I never get the job, I just went on Social Security Disability.
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01:58:01.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:58:06.000All right, Jack McClam, police and militaries, new world order, come up in about five minutes.
01:58:21.000More on the port deals, more on staged arrests of supposed terrorists, an attack piece on myself and others in a major newspaper I might have time to comment on a lot in this third hour.
01:59:04.000You're going to have to be fast on your feet to have any dream of freedom anymore.
01:59:09.000So you know, I want to respond to you though Alex, because you know, I think you're on our side.
01:59:14.000And I keep hoping we'll have a united front and focus specifically on 9-1-1 because that can be proven.
01:59:21.000So, you know, what I've done is I qualified for Social Security, I got it, you know, so now I let the government pay for my marijuana bill.
01:59:31.000I can sit at home and smoke dope all day on government money.
01:59:35.000So that's what I think about the government and their drug laws and their drug war.
02:00:02.000And now there's all these Johnny-come-lately's, which I think is great, until they then set themselves up and say, I'm the Grand Blue Ball.
02:01:02.000really became president and then they jacked up the spending with the tax cuts.
02:01:07.000So their argument is it was never implemented.
02:01:10.000Yeah, but I would argue that a lot of the Republicans and Conservatives of today, they make it sound like it was the Reagan miracle that he turned around the economy.
02:01:17.000Well, I'll tell you the Kennedy miracle.
02:01:19.000He cut taxes by 50% And the treasury receipts double.
02:01:48.000Exactly, but still, and that's why when I hear the conservatives talk about Reagan as responsible, I say no.
02:01:53.000Any person, and this goes for your private life, you borrow so much money and get yourself in debt.
02:01:57.000I don't find that conservative or... The point is, Bruce Bartlett and Paul Gregg Roberts literally wrote the book, I mean, Bartlett wrote the book, Reaganomics.
02:02:11.000It's showing even the very The foundation of this so-called modern conservatism, which I agree is globalism, it's another form of it, is saying, no, Bush is so out of control.
02:02:21.000Yeah, and what they are are tax and borrow Republicans.
02:02:36.000We'll talk to a great friend of mine, a great American, Jack McClam, when we get back.
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02:06:18.000In front of them, you know, all this loving conservatism.
02:06:22.000But I pulled out some old articles here.
02:06:24.000Lyon County jury says not guilty for man who gave out videotapes talking about the New World Order.
02:06:32.000And it's just unbelievable that right around the same time there was a Tennessee case where a well-known wealthy man in the town just put up a sign saying our judicial system's a joke.
02:06:44.000A local judge said, that's insulting to me.
02:07:32.000And in a case where, say, black slaves were escaping and then they'd go to an area and they were about to execute them for escaping, and the jury would say, no, not guilty.
02:07:46.000If the government announces that we all turn our guns in tomorrow, that law is a violation.
02:07:51.000So if you're on a jury where they're trying to send, say, some doctor to jail because he owned a gun in a town where they say you can't own guns, the jury finds him not guilty.
02:08:03.000It is an emergency fire extinguisher for tyranny.
02:08:07.000And now they've turned juries and grand juries into rubber stamps.
02:08:10.000And Jack McClam's secretary, assistant, wonderful lady I've talked to many times, total sweetheart, fights the New World Order, works so hard at his Aid in the Bett newsletter.
02:08:20.000Uh, there in the high rocky mountains of Idaho County, Idaho.
02:08:25.000And remember, Kelly Rushing, it was in the newspapers, in the local Lyon County News, upstanding family, no criminal record, Baptist Church, whole nine yards.
02:08:34.000He gave a Ron, he gave one videotape with a Ron Paul speech, and then my film Road to Tyranny on the other end of it.
02:08:40.000And I talked to the judge, and they tried to put him in jail on two counts, a year and a half apiece, of harassment, terrorist threats.
02:08:48.000The state police officer, who Kelly politely gave it to, watched it and said it was anti-police, so he should go to jail.
02:08:54.000And I talked to the judge, they called the jury in, they tried to send him to prison, and the jury found Kelly Rushing not guilty.
02:09:28.000There are so many of these cases, but that's a listener this happened with.
02:09:31.000The case in Tennessee where the guy just puts a sign up saying, our court system's a joke.
02:09:36.000And so the judge says, she is that man when he wasn't even in his court with a case before the court.
02:09:42.000Jack McClam, God bless you for the trials and tribulations you've gone through.
02:09:45.000Your wife is now hopefully beating breast cancer.
02:09:48.000That's been a four-month, five-month nightmare for you.
02:09:51.000You're now back there in Kamii, and a whole new crisis comes.
02:09:55.000And I heard you say yesterday on the air that if God wants you to be in jail, and I stand with you on that, brother, if that's where God wants to put us to minister there and to fight the new old order, so be it.
02:10:05.000And if we had more people like you, this country wouldn't be going to hell in a handbasket.
02:10:12.000You know, many of us up here have listened to your program for months and months and months through our micro-broadcaster up here in the Great Rocky Mountains, and brother, there's not many people around doing more than you're doing at reaching and awaking our brothers and sisters in America here, and so we thank you for everything you're doing.
02:10:31.000But this is so serious, Alex, about the jury box being taken away from the American people, and as a
02:10:38.000Retired cop and soldier from the Vietnam War, I can tell you, I am very, very worried, and many soldiers and police officers are very worried, that as the voting box is stolen away from the American people, and now the jury box is taken away from the American people, like this case shows so well, that all is left is the cartridge box, and none of us want to have to go to those extremes in this nation.
02:11:08.000During the Revolutionary War and the Civil War, where we killed our brothers and sisters.
02:11:12.000None of us want to see that again, brother.
02:11:14.000But that's why this case is so serious, because truly, when Carol Asher, my volunteer secretary for 15 years now, went in as a civic duty to serve on the jury, of course, her knowing the Constitution inside and out, knowing about
02:11:34.000The true lawful act of jury nullification, which is lawful in this country, but the tyrannical leaders are trying to keep the people informed that they have a right to nullify bad law.
02:11:49.000She now shows us that when we go in for jury selection, we better be read our rights, and we better have a court-appointed attorney each juror when they go into jury deliberation, because it was in jury deliberation
02:12:04.000That she stood up and spoke out for a young Indian boy who it looked like the government was trying to railroad into prison for crimes that they did not prove against him, had no evidence against this young Indian boy and she stood up for him and got rather vocal because the government jury foreman, it seemed like, attacked her quite vociferously and she answered
02:12:34.000and said things like, "Well, you know, I answer to a higher authority than the judge.
02:12:41.000I answer to God and other things." And there are supposed to be these debates in the jury room.
02:12:46.000Yeah, they're not supposed to be anything but free expression in the jury room.
02:12:52.000There's supposed to be debates in there, but no, she's going to jail when they have their way, because she dare talk.
02:12:57.00014 years they're trying to give this young lady.
02:12:59.000She's 67 years old now, retired school teacher, and, uh, was a nun for many, many years, Catholic nun, honest as the day is long.
02:13:09.000She went in for a civic duty, and now, You know, when murderers, Alex, are walking around after serving just seven years on our streets to murder again, and child molesters and rapists are three to five years out to rape again, they're trying to put this lady in for 14 years.
02:13:28.000And that'll be 81 years old before she gets out.
02:13:31.000Jack, do you have a news article out on this yet?
02:13:33.000Because if you do, I want to link to it.
02:13:34.000If not, I want to get with you and write an article.
02:14:03.000She went in for jury selection and the judge gave the standard lie to the people that they had to accept the law if he gives it.
02:14:13.000And of course, we've got Supreme Court case after Supreme Court case that says that that's a lie to the jury.
02:14:19.000And also, uh... stated that she had to uh... everybody had to raise their hand and swear an oath you know that they would render a fair and impartial verdict based solely on the evidence presented in the courtroom and the law is instructed by the judge and that they didn't have a religious or moral position that would make it difficult for them to sit and render a good verdict as a juror and uh... she had no problem swearing to that because
02:14:48.000She didn't know that they would be as corrupt as they were and be as bad as they were, the prosecutor and the judge in the case.
02:14:57.000She didn't even know what the case was about.
02:14:59.000And so the jury foreman, the little government minion, said she was debating.
02:15:03.000She was talking about actually being a juror, so they're charging her with perjury.
02:15:07.000They're saying she came in for jury selection, Alex, knowing that she was going to lie to the judge.
02:15:16.000And because she knew about jury nullification and the true law, where the citizen is supposed to be... And there's hundreds of federal and state rulings on that.
02:15:23.000Hundreds of them, and I've got many of them right here before me.
02:15:27.000You know, and we do know that in 1895, the Supreme Court, under pressure from the large corporations in America, finally ruled in a bittersplit decision that Courts no longer, meaning judges, no longer had to inform juries that they could veto unjust laws.
02:15:46.000Now, understand what the Supreme Court said.
02:15:48.000They didn't say it was illegal for jurors to veto unjust laws.
02:15:53.000They said that the judges no longer had to inform the juries, the jurors, that they could lawfully veto unjust laws.
02:16:07.000Well, what law is she going to claim then when they pull a jury in to try to send her to jail for 14 years?
02:16:11.000Well, they go on, uh, they go, I'm sure they'll pull out cases, you know, case law and try to show where, uh, you know, uh, that it's been long held in 1895, you know, that the Supreme Court, um, made these decisions and everything and tried to, I'm sure that the judge in this case,
02:16:33.000We'll probably get the prosecutor and the defense attorney in saying if anybody, if anybody mentions jury nullification, you're going to go to jail for perjury.
02:16:56.000I mean, why even have a jury if it's supposed to be a rubber stamp?
02:16:59.000If you don't say this person's guilty because I say they violated the law, I mean, why even have a jury?
02:17:04.000Well, everything Carol said, and she's not supposed to be speaking about this according to her attorney, but I happen to know everything she said in the jury room was absolutely true.
02:17:15.000But of course, the judge, the despotic judge that's been chosen for this case, I'm sure won't allow her to put on her defense.
02:17:22.000Well, Jack, I want to talk about... Because they want to put her in prison and they want to chill all jurors from now on that you've got to lick the boots of the judge or you'll go to prison for 14 years.
02:17:31.000Well, when you come back, you want to talk about the judge that did this to begin with?
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02:21:53.000Jack, I know there's a lot of different areas you want to get into, and I want to go through what juries are really supposed to be, how they're supposed to operate.
02:22:01.000We're about to start carrying the Citizen Rule books again and putting them in free with every video or book order that we get.
02:22:06.000And this is the historical fact, and that's why we have juries, the Magna Carta 1215.
02:22:12.000I want to go back over all of that, but right now, so she's in there, they're in the deliberation, and she's saying this is railroading, and they just say, well, you said you'd follow the judge's orders to convict.
02:22:23.000He says he violated the law, sees her.
02:22:29.000That was July that this case went down and she had no idea.
02:22:34.000Yeah, she had no idea that they were building a case against her until about a month and a half ago when they, the prosecutor called her and tried to get her to confess over the phone, but she was smart enough to know he was recording it.
02:22:50.000But, uh, anyway, uh, what happened is they had a young Indian boy and I agree, and Carol was smart enough to know that in America, they're passing unconstitutional laws because it's good for society as a whole.
02:23:08.000And one of those laws that they passed was that when you're arrested out of your vehicle, like this young Indian boy was for some kind of a traffic ticket warrant or something, he was in a company vehicle, and the company vehicle was shared by everybody in the company.
02:23:25.000And when they arrested him out of it for a traffic violation warrant, he had locked the vehicle, put the keys in his hand, got out of the vehicle to talk to the officer, and they snatched the keys out of his hand and went and opened the vehicle and did an inventory search, they call it.
02:23:45.000Well, this is totally against the Fourth Amendment, but it's upheld as law by all the states.
02:23:49.000Yeah, they say, we're just inventorying it to make sure nothing's stolen, but really, it's a Fourth Amendment violation.
02:23:54.000Yeah, and they're looking for evidence against you.
02:23:56.000And they found a little bit of crack cocaine or something, I guess it was crystal meth, in some kind of a little tiny container in the vehicle.
02:24:07.000And they didn't even fingerprint it, and they tried to say this young boy, it was his, a little Indian boy.
02:24:14.000Well, regardless, they violated the Constitution.
02:24:17.000Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent go to jail, so the whole thing's thrown out right there.
02:24:21.000Well, no, because the judge, when Carol put this question to the judge from the jury box, when she was on the jury, She asked him, Your Honor, this is unconstitutional.
02:24:33.000They snatched the keys out of this kid's hand and they go search the vehicle in an inventory search against the Fourth Amendment.
02:24:40.000And the judge says, no, we met in secret chambers, the prosecutor, the defense attorney, and me, and I decided it was a good search, so you can't even consider that.
02:24:53.000Well, Carol had a problem with that because she knows the Constitution.
02:24:58.000She's supposed to judge the law and the facts.
02:24:59.000Yeah, the Article 6 of the Constitution says that the Supremacy Clause, the Constitution rules, not some law where they say that, oh well... That's why the judge swore an oath to that Constitution.
02:25:13.000Well, yeah, but that's old and antiquated, brother.
02:25:15.000They don't go by the Constitution anymore.
02:25:18.000But anyway, the same thing with our two police and military associations, Alex, about we fought for something like eight years the unconstitutionality of the traffic stop to search for beer and cocaine or whatever.
02:25:35.000Just rapid searches all across Arizona.
02:25:39.000And our police and military association fought that because we knew that it was, you know, they're saying it was for a very good reason.
02:25:47.000Well, now they say let us search your house without a warrant.
02:25:51.000So, Jack, to boil it down, what ended up happening?
02:25:54.000She said not guilty and they didn't like that?
02:25:56.000Well, that wasn't the only thing because the jury foreman started attacking her when she says, I still have trouble.
02:26:05.000With that search, and the jury foreman jumped up and says, you can't even discuss that!
02:26:11.000The judge already decided that was constitutional, and she says, well, I answer to a higher authority than the judge, and then they got into other debates where Carol started telling them... So what ended up happening with the court?
02:26:26.000Well, the ruling was that the boy was found not guilty, because Carol helped convince three others in there, four of them stood up, But that's what jurors are supposed to do.
02:26:36.000They're supposed to debate everything.
02:26:38.000Well, you can't do that today, brother.
02:26:40.000They should at least read your rights when you go into a jury nowadays if they're going to prosecute you for what you say in a...
02:26:48.000In a secret jury room where nothing's supposed to leave that jury room.
02:26:51.000Jack, tell us, tell us exactly what court, the name of the judge, where this all happened.
02:26:55.000This is Judge John Bradbury, and surprisingly, Alex, we all interviewed him here at our 11 Christian Communities, Christian Constitutional Communities, and he told us he was a Christian man and supported and defended the Constitution of the United States, so we all voted him into office.
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02:30:51.000I kept saying wrongfully that it was, because it was like two and a half years ago, that it was Tennessee with the fellow that put the sign up saying our court system's a joke, and the judge said, I don't like that, go arrest him.
02:31:09.000We posted that AP article and a TV article up on InfoWars.com.
02:31:14.000At least I gave it to my webmaster too.
02:31:15.000It should be going up there, but it's already up there.
02:31:17.000So this is the type of stuff we're talking about.
02:31:19.000This is the insanity of judicial tyranny.
02:31:22.000Jack McClam all the time, you and I see reports, we cover them, where federal state judges, local judges, they call people in, they go, answer my questions, and the judge tells them to talk now, and they refuse, and they put them in jail, sometimes for years for contempt.
02:31:39.000How do you put somebody in jail for contempt for not violating your own Fifth Amendment?
02:31:44.000I mean, across the board, they're going nuts.
02:31:51.000They're no longer going by the Constitution.
02:31:53.000They're going by case law and international law, too.
02:32:00.000One of the chief justices talking, or one of the justices of the Supreme Court talking the other day about all the Supreme Court justices now are going by international law and not by our constitutional system anymore.
02:32:15.000That was a USA Today article a few years ago that had two of the justices, Ginsburg and another, saying, we follow UN laws.
02:32:22.000So they can just pick and choose whatever they want.
02:32:24.000I hope people realize that in the UN Charter, you've got all these rights until Article 30 and 31, and then it says you don't have any rights if they say so.
02:32:33.000Yeah, it's absolutely a lie, because we've read that here at our two police and military associations about the UN rights and all, and they're really privileges, and after every time they list a right, they say, unless according to law, we decide you can't have it.
02:32:52.000Anyway, you remember Jerry Spence, the great attorney, liberal attorney, that Colonel Boe and I got to take the Weaver family's case after we got him out of the band off of Ruby Ridge.
02:33:04.000Well he said, he said, and he's a pretty honest guy, he said, people have not discovered that they've been disenfranchised.
02:33:13.000Even lawyers can't stand to even admit it.
02:33:15.000He says, in any nation in which people's rights have been subjugated to the rights of the few in power, in any totalitarian nation, the first institution to be dismantled is the jury.
02:33:32.000And that was a quote from Jerry Spence, a very liberal attorney.
02:33:35.000A good man, though, because he believes in truth and justice.
02:33:40.000But John Adams, remember, brother, he said, it's not only the right of the juror, but his duty to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition, perhaps, to the direction of the judge.
02:34:20.000And, but, hey, interesting enough, even without any evidence, Eight of the four decided to go along with the government railroad in this young boy in jail.
02:34:31.000Praise God for Carol and the other three, or this young inland boy would be putting in one to five years in prison as we speak.
02:34:39.000Now, Jack, I want to lay out a few questions here before we run out of time, and I want to be able to take a few calls before you leave us here in about 24 minutes.
02:34:45.000The toll-free number to join us is 1-800-259-9231.
02:34:47.000Give us, again, for those that miss it, the full name of Carol, the full name of this judge, who we can call, how we can support, what we can do.
02:35:00.000Miss Carol Asher, A-S-H-E-R, and like I say, she's one of the most honest persons you'll ever meet in your life.
02:36:03.000The best way to do it is just type into a search engine, Google or Yahoo, whatever you use, just type in Governor's Office of Idaho, and then the first link, if you type in Governor's Office of Idaho, or Governor of Idaho website, it'll come up with an exact link to his page, then you can see the contact info there, but give that number out again.
02:36:23.000Yeah, this is the Governor's Office, and he's the one that could stop this thing, because his Attorney General This Judge Bradbury, John Bradbury, the prosecutor in him turned it over to the state to prosecute this case because I guess they didn't want to stick their heads up in this tyrannical, despotic move that they're moving against Carroll.
02:36:44.000But anyway, the number once again is 208 for the governor's office, 334-2100.
02:37:10.000And maybe we should mail the governor hundreds of copies of the citizen rule books so they can all read the U.S.
02:37:17.000court rulings and the Constitution and the Founding Fathers.
02:37:20.000I mean, I want to digress for a second here.
02:37:24.000Jack, I don't want to get into the history of the Magna Carta, the Common Law, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, all of what America is, because I know it, you know it, they're counting on us not to know it, but, you know, Kelly Rushing, that was in the newspaper, two and a half years ago, one of my listeners gives a Ron Paul video in one of my films on the same video to state policemen, the cop says thank you,
02:37:44.000Watches it, decides it's threatening, arrests Kelly Rushing, prominent member of the community, and it was in the newspaper, it said, forgiving a video, he's facing three years in jail, a year and a half each count of terrific threats and harassment for each video, and I called the judge and he said, yeah, we're doing this, and then they took a jury and tried to put him in jail.
02:38:01.000How did that judge and those state cops How did they sit there in Lyon County, Kentucky and get off on trying to destroy a man's life, a family man's life, who just tried to say, hey, this is an important video for you, officer.
02:38:16.000I mean, how do they sleep at night trying to send good people to prison?
02:38:21.000Well, brother, they're operating under the philosophy that all of our governments, local, state, and federal, are operating under.
02:38:33.000The law is to justify the means of putting somebody that they call anti-government or somebody that they call extremist or now they're calling us domestic terrorists, you know, and to put you away Any means justifies.
02:38:50.000You know, any means is justified under this new political system.
02:38:54.000But Jack McClann, you've been around the block.
02:39:55.000Down in Houston, the Army recruiter head would call kids up, and this is on tape, and say, I'm going to arrest you if you don't come sign up for the Army.
02:40:11.000You know, about 10 years ago, because so many officers were complaining about the judges manipulating, secretly, psychologically, the jurors, that we wrote a whole police military publication on how the judges manipulate the juries.
02:40:32.000Judges Manipulate Juries, and it was from police officers.
02:40:36.000The 13 to 16 ways in which they've seen judges secretly work as a conspirator with the prosecutor to manipulate the minds of the jurors, there's about 16 techniques they use and we put them all in a newsletter to show how if a juror goes in he should read this thing so that when the judge starts this with the prosecutor they'll recognize and vote to not to acquit the person
02:41:03.000If they start railroading a person to prison by manipulating the jurors.
02:41:07.000We're getting to the point where we have to have patriots run secretly for office claiming to be globalists.
02:41:12.000We're getting to the point where we have to do what they did.
02:41:16.000They were sneaky about taking over, now they've taken over.
02:41:18.000I think now the jurors have got to just be covert about all this when they go in to follow the Constitution and defend America.
02:41:27.000Yeah, they better keep their mouth shut because they're not told that what they can say, you know, they're not Mirandized when you go on a jury and they should be today if you're going to be prosecuted for what you say and be told that be very careful because we'll prosecute you on what you say in the jury room.
02:41:44.000Well, praise God they've lost all these cases so far, but brother if they can win this case My goodness, it'll just about topple the jury system in America.
02:41:55.000Only people where they'll go on a jury are the ones that are going to kowtow everything to the government and nothing to the people.
02:42:03.000Well, I mean this is, and you're right, they've tried this quite a few times lately around the country.
02:42:10.000That's why the Governor's office is head honchoing this.
02:42:13.000And there's no doubt this is also a double entendre for them, an extra goody that she's the backbone of your organization.
02:42:21.000Yes, and I think that has a lot to do with it because she is such an important part of the volunteer system we have here.
02:42:29.000of police and soldiers and she's been with us forever and everybody knows her and she's a standard in the community you know for honesty and morality and if they can put her in prison they will chill every prospective juror going in to serve on a jury and and i would like to ask too alex if we could give out a number to help her pay for her attorney it's too bad you know in america we have lawyer good
02:42:57.000...thousands and thousands of attorneys that work to destroy the Constitution under organizations like the ACLU.
02:43:55.000We've got loaded phone lines, and we've only got about 10 minutes left here of live broadcast time.
02:44:00.000Briefly, can you, in a nutshell, go over how the jury system works from Mount Sinai to 1215 to common law and the Declaration of Independence?
02:44:34.000That even the Supreme Court Justices, the very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, first Supreme Court Justice, Samuel Chase, the Supreme Court Justice, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Supreme Court Justice, Harlan Stone, the twelfth Supreme Court Justice, have all said that the jurors can act independent and are independent of the judge, and they can decide the law and the fact, and they should, that that's their duty.
02:45:03.000The jury hasn't And in a very important case, U.S.
02:45:07.000v. Dottery, we have one of the best explanations for the jury's rights and powers.
02:45:13.000It says the jury has an unreviewable and unreversible power to acquit in disregard of the instructions of the law given by the trial judge.
02:46:50.000The officer got back in his car and left.
02:46:53.000No, I understand, sir, but what I'm saying is, how does this pertain to Carol?
02:46:57.000What you do, you can use this on the judge.
02:47:00.000You put the judge's name on the top line and what their ranking is, whatever their bench thing is.
02:47:09.000Anyway, you put their name on it and then you hand it to the judge.
02:47:12.000Now the judge has to uphold the Constitution because the judge took an oath.
02:47:16.000Which is a contract, and if the judge is not adhered to it... We've been all over this oath business and it works sometimes, but a lot of them don't even do their oaths now, and they say they don't even need that.
02:47:26.000Yes, the sad part is, we're in a tyranny today, and when a judge comes in a courtroom and tells you he is God, you've got a problem.
02:47:35.000You know, and I don't care what you give that judge, that judge is going to be God.
02:47:40.000Because he's been told or she has been told they are.
02:47:43.000And so, a lot of this stuff will work occasionally and a lot of times you go to prison because you use these type of tactics to try to use it as your defense.
02:48:04.000In 1788, in Eliot's debate But, Alex, remember they said that a juror accepts as the law, or if the juror accepts as the law that which the judge states, then that juror has accepted the exercise of absolute authority of a government employee and has surrendered a power and right that was once the citizen's safeguard of liberty.
02:48:28.000I mean, in everyday life, you run into people that try to usurp authority over you in business, in relationships, and they just slowly kept telling us that we're the slave, they're the boss, and then now they're a bunch of arrogant bags of scum.
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02:53:02.000Jack, we're almost out of time and I wanted to take a few more calls.
02:53:05.000Carla in Kansas City, you're on the air, go ahead.
02:53:20.000A lot of judges, you know, take advantage of the fact that the politicians that are supposed to be in charge of them, you know, I shouldn't say politicians, but officials... Well, you file complaints on them in judicial review, and if it's bad enough, and there's enough of them, they will get in trouble.
02:53:34.000In fact, the guy who arrested the guy for having a sign in his yard, that did get thrown out later.
02:53:40.000Right, because you're right, Alex, you just got to get people... Let me get a comment from Jack McClam on that, Jack.
02:53:46.000Well, there's a lot of good work being done by a few people in the nation, like jail.
02:53:51.000You know, jail for judges and the things she's talking about there.
02:53:55.000But, Alex, if we lose these type of cases, our police and military people here believe we're going to be in a violent confrontation with real blood running in the streets.
02:54:15.000Yes, if we don't have the jury box any longer, if we lose that and we're just a rubber stamp of the government agent judges, it's over in America.
02:54:24.000And Jerry Spence knows it, one of the greatest attorneys in America.
02:54:28.000Well, it's like Hitler's courts or Stalin's courts.
02:54:32.000That's right, it's the King's Chamber again, the King's Star Chamber system again.
02:54:37.000And you can put those type of things in the search engine in the computer and read all about how it used to be, and it's coming to America today.
02:54:45.000Alright, let's, Carla, finish up what you were saying quickly.
02:54:48.000I want to go to at least Fred, and go ahead.
02:54:50.000Oh, I want to say, right, that there's been some that have been impeached.
02:54:54.000People don't know much about it, and we need to spread the word because... Well, we've got judges here in Austin and Carla that are just absolute scum who engage in nothing but criminal activity.
02:55:19.000Okay, the best thing I can think of right now off the top of my head Get some of these police officers who like to tase their children and have them go in and get a warrant together for insurrection and sedition.
02:55:33.000There's also the pen is mightier than the sword, and by exposing this abuse of this old, such 65-year-old retired Catholic nun schoolteacher, you know, that's going to blow up in their face.
02:55:44.000Jack, do you agree that it's important to expose this?
02:55:47.000I think it's time to ring the bells and call and email and just raise all kind of cane before we're in a violent confrontation in this nation.
02:56:03.000Hope people will go to InfoWars.com and link over to your website and go to that PO box and give some support to Carol Asher, a great lady who's served valiantly for 15 years as a volunteer and the devil's coming after her, but I think God's going to come to her aid and will come to her aid.