Ray McGovern, a 27 year veteran of the Central Intelligence Agency, talks about the danger of U.S. government-sponsored terrorism, the looming Iran war, what the neocons are up to, and much more, joining us in 30 minutes.
00:00:38.000And we've got a guest joining us, Ray McGovern, 27-year veteran of the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:00:44.000Spanning, of course, from the Kennedy administration through George Bush Sr., George Herbert Walker Bush, and he'll come on and talk about the danger of U.S.
00:00:53.000government-sponsored terrorism, the looming Iran War, what the neocons are up to, their criminal activities, and much more, joining us in 30 minutes.
00:01:05.000But that's the only guest today, so we'll have plenty of time to have open phones and take your calls and cover all of the news.
00:01:15.000Who is really behind the shrine, the mosque bombing, the Golden Dome Mosque being blown up?
00:01:22.000We don't know as of this time, but a lot of the preliminary evidence points towards the globalists, and people say, well, why would they do that?
00:01:30.000government and Israel's own policy papers.
00:01:34.000say that they want to have civil war in Iraq, so we'll go over some of those today.
00:01:40.000Meanwhile, the controversy over the UAE, Dubai ports world taking over deepens.
00:01:48.000Arab country offers to delay port takeover.
00:01:50.000Willingness to wait will let White House address lawmakers concern over security.
00:01:55.000Well, they didn't even do the 45-day study and investigation in violation of federal law.
00:02:01.000We have conflict of interest with Treasury Secretary Snowe and others being involved with this company in business.
00:02:08.000In fact, one of the top executives of the company, as I know most of you already know, just to repeat for those that don't, actually runs Dubai Ports World in Europe and Latin America.
00:02:36.000Every national radio host that I know of who's a major host, other than maybe George Norrie, who is against the Port Handover, but every other one.
00:02:45.000O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, all of them.
00:02:48.000I've got their statements here why you're an evil liberal now if you're for not handing over the ports.
00:02:55.000And, you know, after we did the Cheney Ballistics shooting test last week, I looked at some of the big news sites and blogs, some of the so-called conservative blogs, and they're, Alex Jones is an anti-gun liberal.
00:03:28.000Why, everybody knows the liberals want to keep their guns.
00:03:32.000Everybody knows, only real conservatives hand them in.
00:03:36.000I was at a local gun shop buying that shotgun .28 gauge a week and a half ago, and the fella, uh, it was actually a week ago today, actually.
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00:08:08.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:13.000There's a worldwide debate concerning Iraq, if it's a civil war or not.
00:08:21.000If you look at a lot of the Pentagon reports, status reports, not the spin that comes off the reports, but the actual reports, it's been in a state of civil war for the last two years of the three years since the invasion began.
00:08:34.000Yeah, we're coming up on the three-year anniversary in the middle of next month in March.
00:08:40.000So, we see this shrine, one of the most holy shrines in Islam, in Mohammedan, being blown up, and a lot of people, including the Iranian president, say it's the U.S.
00:09:05.000And it does fit into the stated goal of breaking the country into three or four different regions to be Balkanized.
00:09:13.000So we'll get into that, and a bunch of new developments with the port deal and fleets of neokinds going out and saying you're an evil liberal if you're against it.
00:09:23.000Of course, the Democrats themselves are very hypocritical as well.
00:09:27.000They loved it when the Communist Chinese, who are much more dangerous than the UAE thousands of times, were given ports that are much more strategic, not just in the Western Hemisphere, like the Panama Canal and the Isthmus there, but also, of course, Long Beach and several others.
00:09:58.000I'm going to make sure, just out of the gates, we cover.
00:10:03.000UK troops will not destroy hobby fields.
00:10:06.000This is out of the Scotsman, the major paper of Scotland.
00:10:09.000And it says the commander of the British forces in southern Afghanistan insisted yesterday that his troops would play no part in destroying poppy fields.
00:10:19.000Ministers have declared that one of the main tasks of the 5,700 strong force, that was just propaganda though, was to help an Afghan heroin production.
00:10:30.000Help end Afghan heroin production, which supplies 90% of the narcotics sold illegally on British streets.
00:10:37.000But Colonel Gordon Messinger of the Royal Marines said troops deployed to Helmaid, the biggest center of heroin production, will not become involved in the process being considered by President Hamid Karzai's government of eradicating poppies.
00:10:54.000There will be absolutely no maroon berets on the Marines with He said.
00:11:03.000British forces will not even directly stop vehicles suspected of smuggling the drug.
00:11:08.000That will be the task of Afghan police and the army.
00:11:11.000The main role of British forces will instead be to enable the Afghan police and army to establish control over areas which have so far remained outside their reach, allowing a resurgent Taliban and drug lords to gain ascendancy, said Colonel Messenger.
00:11:30.000The official numbers are that opium productions, they derive heroin from, the opiate, had exploded after the Taliban was removed from power.
00:11:42.000It doubled the first year, quadrupled the next year, and now went over eight times what it previously was, and the eight times the all-time low under the Taliban in late 2001 is double the all-time production previously from the mid-1990s.
00:12:01.000And our own CIA has been caught publicly many times shipping in heroin, opium, and it's well known in the Golden Triangle, and of course what happened in Southeast Asia, in Vietnam, it is well known that the drug lords were put into power, put back into power, over the different regions.
00:12:20.000And this spin that the Taliban has re-asserged, had a re-assurgence, It has been resurrected in the last few months, and now there's a flood of opium.
00:12:30.000It's ridiculous, and it flies in the face of the facts.
00:12:34.000It's like when I'm down in Mexico, occasionally take a trip down there, and you'll see Mexican troops guarding giant marijuana fields.
00:12:41.000You go to Guatemala, or Salvador, Nicaragua, you'll see them guarding poppy fields and coca fields, coca plantations, with the cocaine bushes.
00:12:51.000Now, will the military stage some raids on some Pashtuns or others who aren't in with the big drug lords?
00:12:59.000Will there be a drug war in Afghanistan?
00:13:02.000Yes, but it'll be the same as it is in Colombia, where the pilots are given GPS coordinates to spray this field, but not a field a mile away, because that field's owned by the right-wing death squads.
00:13:13.000That's all the drug war is internationally, is the major drug cartels, the people that run our government, going after their competition.
00:13:23.000I have had, oh it's got to be over 10 top CIA agents on this show.
00:13:29.000I've had many DEA agents on this broadcast.
00:13:31.000We've been whistleblowers exposing this.
00:13:34.000I've had so many of them on over the years.
00:13:36.000In my film, Police State 2 The Takeover, we talk to Terry Reid and others and show the documents and confront General Barry McCaffrey, who was the drug czar at the time, about how his head of drug interdiction was actually shipping in masses of heroin and cocaine.
00:13:50.000I mean, it's a joke, ladies and gentlemen.
00:13:53.000And then they've got the nerve They've got the nerve, when they pull over, your friends or your family, your children that are dumb enough to have marijuana, or dumb enough to have cocaine, or dumb enough to have any of these drugs, and then they'll take them in, what, five years with that minimum sentencing for a crack rock?
00:14:18.000I mean, it's amazing But again, the very drug cartels can be linked to having controlling stock and in many cases private ownership.
00:14:28.000The very drug-dealing western drug lords that have the so-called Medellin cartels and others like marbles in their pocket, like chump chains in their pocket, little minions of them, they will openly own the prisons that incarcerate our youth and incarcerate our society, which all those major studies show.
00:14:48.000I mean, your 16-year-old gets caught with a crack rock, and they go into jail, hard time for 5 to 10 years, minimum sentencing for 5, and they come out with hepatitis, with HIV, they come out with tattoos all over their body, they come out because they got to join a gang to survive, they come out and they know how to pick locks, they know how to arm rob, They know how to break into houses.
00:15:37.000And instead of it being dispensed through decriminalization, I'm not for total legalization, instead of it being dispensed by the county health department, which in Europe they've done, it's made, again, the use go down by 50%.
00:15:47.000In some countries even higher, but the average is around 50%.
00:15:51.000These are official numbers, and crime just plummets.
00:15:55.000Crime, just drug-related robbery, muggings, things like this, just fall through the floor.
00:16:00.000Because, listen, you get these zombie junkies out there, and they gotta have their fix, and they're just waiting for you to leave with your family, and they think you're gone, and they go in your house, and your 15-year-old daughter's there, and they get scared, and they end up blowing your daughter away.
00:16:16.000I personally am sick of it, and I'm tired of it, and these drug dealers are slick, folks.
00:16:21.000You gotta hand it to the New World Order.
00:16:23.000They controlled the drug trade when it was legal, then when they lost their monopoly, they made it illegal to use the cops, which they could then corrupt with the drug money to go after their competition, then they used that money and that power up the drug trade to take over all the other rackets.
00:16:37.000And you've got to hand it to the government again.
00:16:39.000At least they're being more transparent now.
00:16:41.000These big lottery companies, major news articles on almost all of them being mafia controlled.
00:16:48.000Mafia just goes to the government now.
00:16:51.000And I have to stand there in line at convenience stores when I'm buying some bottled water or buying a bag of chips or something up working late.
00:16:58.000I have to stand in line while these poor people... I watch the people that buy lottery tickets.
00:17:03.000And I sit there and I watch him, and I'm not saying all of you that buy lottery tickets are like this, but it's pathological.
00:17:34.000And their parents are there buying their cigarettes, and buying their beer, and buying their lottery tickets, and you watch them go out and get in their disheveled car, and scratch them off, and uh, let me scratch it off, and see if I'm gonna win, and you'll see them scurry back in to the stores you're driving off, because they didn't win that time, and you gotta buy some more, and then I gotta hear about how good gambling is, and how good it is for society, and how it makes money for our schools, and just, we're a joke, people!
00:18:03.000So I kind of wish the government would just say, okay, we deal the drugs, come buy the heroin from us, because that'll make crime plummet, and more people will then go, well, this isn't cool.
00:18:12.000See, it'll take the money out of it, but it'll never happen.
00:18:14.000It'll take the money out of it, because then somebody can't go deal crack and make $10,000 a week and drive around in their Caddy going, I'm the Mac Daddy, baby.
00:18:23.000You know, then it loses all its flair.
00:18:45.000The bigger it gets, the more black ski masks, the more SWAT teams, the more cameras, the more raids, the more people in prison, the more drugs on the streets, the more money that's in it, the more car bombings in Texas and people getting shot by paramilitary Mexican troops openly working for the U.S.
00:19:21.000You're there, part and parcel, to get that opium, so young kids can jab a needle in their arm, and so they can have a big overdose, so they can swell up blue, and have heart failure, and so their parents can stand over their coffin.
00:19:34.000And then, at the same time, if a kid doesn't die of an OD, you can slam them in your college of crime.
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00:24:33.000It's not a narcotic, but they've statistically shown with studies that it's more addictive than cocaine and heroin.
00:24:39.000So see, the elites have always had monopolies over this.
00:24:43.000And then they lost slavery because of the abolitionists.
00:24:46.000The same crowd that was into slavery was also into tobacco and then laudanum, opium.
00:24:51.000And so they figured out, hey, we'll take stuff that we've already gotten a lot of the population addicted to through the drug stores that openly sold it, we'll make it illegal, and we'll reinstitute slavery, and we'll be able to put people in all these prisons, just like Shawshank Redemption, working, building highways, you know, busting rocks, doing whatever, and then the drug dealers can be in control of the prisons themselves and have slavery.
00:25:20.000And I hope people in government, I hope the minions that enforce this realize that none of you are immune from this.
00:25:26.000The evil you're doing comes back on all of us and you need to stop it and you need to get more sophisticated and realize what we're dealing with.
00:25:35.000I mean, we're dealing with addiction here.
00:27:20.000Number two is why are American, the power brokers and the Bush's family, why are they so concerned about democracy all over the world and interfering in other countries that we never had a problem with before?
00:27:35.000They keep saying the word democracy, but I remember in school when I said the Pledge of Allegiance, I said the Pledge of Allegiance to the Republic.
00:27:46.000And the third one is, um, why are the, okay, what most people don't realize is most of the marijuana that is being shipped into the country right now, probably 90% of it is already loaded up with cracks.
00:27:59.000And this is what most people don't understand.
00:28:04.000As a matter of fact, I live outside the Detroit area and all the police departments have told me that they have not done any kind of marijuana confiscation, whether it's somebody with a joint in their pocket, or whatever, and a motor with cracks.
00:28:18.000I've got to go to break, so I'm going to comment on your questions.
00:28:22.000I know occasionally marijuana supposedly is laced with other things, a lot of times chemicals, because it's been sprayed.
00:28:29.000And I think marijuana is overall bad, but I don't believe it should be illegal.
00:28:34.000I believe the superpower hydroponic marijuana really does knock people out and really is dangerous.
00:28:39.000I don't think the marijuana 30, 40 years ago was.
00:28:42.000And by the way, George Washington, in his letters, smoked it.
00:28:45.000I mean, you would go buy some at the store or grow it if you had a stomach ache and it has a lot of medical uses.
00:28:50.000But marijuana is not one-tenth as bad, statistically, as alcohol.
00:28:54.000I mean, it causes hundreds of thousands of deaths every few years, and marijuana is nothing compared to that.
00:29:00.000So, that's my comment on the marijuana.
00:29:04.000As for the Bushes, I don't know about an embassy.
00:29:05.000They have a big office in the capital of Saudi Arabia.
00:29:10.000And yes, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates and all of those are part of the same kind of commonwealth that was set up, turn of the last century, by the British.
00:29:19.000And the Bushes and many others, the Queen of England, are in deep, deep business with these people.
00:29:23.000And they just say it's about democracy overseas.
00:29:26.000The Pentagon's documents say it's about empire and control and getting resources.
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00:33:00.000The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents The Alex Jones Show.
00:33:07.000Because there's a war on for your mind.
00:33:10.000The Genesis Communications Radio Network Ray McGovern, long-time CIA analyst, very high-level presidential briefer for Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr.
00:33:30.000He'll be joining us to talk about a host of issues.
00:33:32.000Believe me, you do not want to miss it.
00:33:34.000The upcoming Iran conflict, We're trying to overt what the neocons are up to and government prior knowledge and even involvement in 9-11.
00:33:43.000We'll be talking about it all with Ray McGovern coming up in about seven minutes.
00:33:48.000Let's continue with some of your phone calls right now.
00:33:55.000Hey Alex, I'll try to be real quick because I know you're short on time, but I just wanted to say I'm a first-time caller and I've started looking into some of your stuff and I mean, at first it was kind of iffy, but the more I researched it, the scarier it gets.
00:34:13.000And yeah, but first of all, I just wanted to, you were talking about gambling.
00:34:18.000Here in Oklahoma, it's illegal to gamble anywhere except for on Indian reservations, which is the Indian casinos.
00:34:24.000Well, they made a law where the Remington Park can now have casinos inside of there, which I don't think is quite right, but whatever, they're going to do what they want to do.
00:34:35.000Also, I've heard you talk about stuff being deleted off of your computer, and this morning I woke up and was going to make a few copies of some discs of stuff that I've got off your website, and it's all gone.
00:34:54.000Well, more often than not, computers have hiccups and problems.
00:34:57.000I mean, 90% of the time, if we have a technical problem, it's us, or it's one of our providers.
00:35:03.000But we have had it before, where we've had somebody hack in, you know, post-pornography.
00:35:07.000A naked woman on a motorcycle, no big deal.
00:35:10.000But our servers were designed to automatically go down.
00:35:14.000When that happened, and we've had the Defense Department links, we've tracked them back, doing stuff, going on, erasing things off in the past.
00:35:22.000But it's very sophisticated, it's hard to tell when it's actually happening.
00:35:26.000There are pre-set viruses and programs and things that the government and private corporations launch where it isn't individuals going out and attacking your computer, but it's viruses, it's worms, it's pre-programmed things that do it to everybody.
00:35:41.000And you could have a download of the ND500 race, you could have a download of the Kentucky Derby, it's not even political.
00:35:48.000It's just these worms and viruses go in and wreak havoc with your computer.
00:35:52.000And there's thousands of different things these worms and viruses can do.
00:35:55.000They can do things like not let you have access to your keyboard, where your computer doesn't work, or where you have to reload Windows.
00:36:01.000Windows is really the problem, because what, 80% of people use Windows as their operating system, so most of the viruses And worms are written for that.
00:36:09.000That's why Mac is so good, because most of the virus producers and others don't make it for Mac, because that's a very small part of the overall market.
00:36:24.000But the thing is, everything was working fine two days ago.
00:36:29.000I do a virus scan every morning when I wake up.
00:36:32.000Nothing was on my computer, so sometime between that and when I was in school, I got seven Trojans on my computer that were slipped in somehow.
00:37:03.000I am not for banning gambling, but I am for the state not being involved in it, and I am for it being in certain areas of the country and not... I mean, they want to build five casinos in Austin, Texas, with all the dirt and all the problems and all the prostitution that brings.
00:37:18.000Our economy shouldn't be hamburger and pizza joints and topless bars And gambling establishments.
00:37:24.000I mean, is that what America is going to be known as?
00:38:29.000But when you read 1984, the proletariat, the slaves, don't care about the police state because they have their precious lottery and there's all these stupid systems of how you're going to supposedly win.
00:38:40.000My only point is, it's another indicator of a society in decline.
00:38:44.000Listen, I'm not even against ultimate fighting.
00:38:46.000If two guys want to get in a ring together and beat each other's brains out, you know, that's freedom, that's free market.
00:38:51.000You know, whatever, let them get in there, let them bare knuckles if they want to.
00:38:55.000But, at the same time, it's an indicator that it's so popular that it's a gladiatorial, Rome-like state in decline.
00:39:05.000You know, the ball games and gladiatorial events, the gambling, these are all tell-tale earmarks of a society that's long in the tooth and becoming very, very decadent and corrupt.
00:40:29.000Well, apparently she has, not my wife, but her friend, has some pretty computer-shavvy friends.
00:40:36.000And I don't know how they looked it out.
00:40:38.000Yeah, let me just say this, sir, and I appreciate your call.
00:40:41.000Let me comment on that because Ray McGovern is coming up in just a minute.
00:40:43.000You can call back another day if you want to get into this more.
00:40:46.000Let me just, this is how this works, okay?
00:40:49.000A lot of analysts and experts and individuals that are involved in security that I really trust believe that this whole NSA thing where spying on you was put out on purpose as a chilling effect.
00:41:01.000I have three articles today, one out of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer out of Seattle, Washington, where mainstream peace groups, the government is openly telling them that the Pentagon is surveilling them with physical assets, that is actual troops in plain clothes.
00:41:17.000Totally illegal, total violation of federal law, total violation of posse comitatus.
00:41:22.000And they admit they quote, have no connection to terrorists, but just that they think that they need to be surveilled.
00:41:27.000So they put articles out like that to scare everybody.
00:41:31.000Then, people start Googling each other, and then, oh, I've got a computer-savvy friend that shows that you're a red flag.
00:41:50.000The NSA is many times better than the CIA, but still, they don't have that many employees.
00:41:54.000It's mainly computers that are scanning and listening and doing all of this, and what they're doing is illegal, and we have nothing to hide, so it doesn't intimidate me, it doesn't scare me, but now everyone thinks the government's watching them.
00:43:30.000So of the thousands of spies they've got, I mean, sure, they've got some young 27-year-old Special Forces guy who's gone into Central Intelligence Agency, domestic field work, and he's at peace meetings.
00:43:41.000I mean, certainly, you're going to have them there.
00:43:43.000And he's there hearing everybody show pictures of dead Iraqi children and talk about how we care about the troops and how we want to stop the use of DU.
00:43:50.000And the guys go out in the parking lot and throw up and start crying.
00:44:03.000They're going to find out we're the good people!
00:44:05.000They're going to find... Can you imagine government analysts listening to this show when they're about to hear Ray McGovern on here, who briefed presidents, high-level CIA, one of their chief analysts, telling you everything we're saying?
00:45:08.000He briefed President Bush every morning.
00:45:10.000Ray is now a co-director of a Servant Leadership School, which provides training and other support for those seeking ways to be in relationship With the marginalized poor, and it goes on.
00:45:21.000He also is one of the founders of the Veteran Intelligence Agents for Sanity, and he's written for major publications like the Boston Globe, Christian Science Monitor, Miami Herald.
00:45:31.000It goes on and on, and he's been on the forefront of exposing the fake intelligence and the fraud.
00:45:38.000Mr. McGovern, thank you for coming on with us.
00:45:50.000And I believe and others believe that they're putting out these, the Pentagon's watching you stories to scare people not to get involved.
00:45:58.000And I was trying to explain that most of the people in the government are now on our side.
00:46:01.000Ray, can you speak to getting past your fear?
00:46:05.000Yeah, I think, you know, What FDR said still obtains, you know, the only thing that fear is fear itself.
00:46:14.000The deliberate cultivation of fear of, quote, the enemy, end quote, and then fear of what we Soviet analysts used to call the organs of state power.
00:46:26.000In other words, the police, the FBI, the NSA, and those folks.
00:46:31.000That's deliberately whipped up here so that people will not exercise their constitutional freedoms to speak out, to assemble freely, and to debate things like the misbegotten Iraq War.
00:46:44.000So, I think you're absolutely right, Alex.
00:46:47.000If the name of the game is to intimidate us, the only reaction that's appropriate is to be not intimidated and don't worry about who's listening.
00:46:57.000As you say, if people from NSA have got us on tape now, they'll probably download it tomorrow.
00:47:18.000What we need to do is just make believe everything is okay, exercise our rights, because once we start being intimidated and not exercising our rights, well, Then we play right into, not only what the administration would like to see, but also, of course, what Osama Bin Laden would like to see, because the worse it gets here, the better for him.
00:47:38.000Well, that's exactly what Alexander Sholzhenitsyn said.
00:47:41.000I mean, once you're intimidated, it's over.
00:47:46.000Pop star British pop star Morrissey was quizzed by the FBI and Britain's Special Branch after he called President Bush a terrorist.
00:47:53.000The singer said he was baffled to be held and interviewed by the authorities but he was released when they realized Well, the singer was not a threat to the free world.
00:48:03.000He went on to say that this proves that we are not in a free society, that this happened, that his mild statements resulted in this.
00:48:11.000I mean, they know this guy who's been a big star for 15, 20 years isn't a threat.
00:48:16.000He just said this war is terrorism, Bush is a bigger terrorist.
00:48:19.000Same thing Cindy Shan and others have said.
00:48:21.000And so they know that this will get headlines.
00:48:47.000She had to walk up three flights, and so she loosened her overcoat, and underneath she had the same T-shirt that she had been wearing all day.
00:49:05.000As soon as the attendant saw the number on her shirt, as though prompted, I'm sure he was prompted, he swooped down, grabbed her, let her out rather roughly, put her in the elevator, took her right down, and fingerprinted her, taken her to the police station.
00:49:25.000She spent the next three hours Uh, being booked and all this kind of thing.
00:50:28.000And in this new Patriot Act, With the amendment that Specter wants, it'll be a national police force with a secret service, even at events where quote, officials aren't, if they say you do anything wrong, felony.
00:50:43.000I know there's a lot of issues you want to talk about, the upcoming Iran situation, what you think's going to happen there, where the neocons are going.
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00:54:14.000I've got a stack of these intimidation pieces in England and in the U.S.
00:54:18.000I always assume that so-called authoritarian figures just assume that pop rock music is a slightly insane and untouchable platform for the working class to stand up and say something noticeable.
00:54:29.000My view is that neither England nor America are democratic societies.
00:54:32.000You can't speak your mind, and if you do, you're investigated.
00:54:36.000And when I was in England just, what, four or five months ago after the London bombings, Well, we all have to get into that database.
00:54:44.000I had police walk up to me when I'd be interviewing somebody and say, "We're putting you into the terrorism database." And now it's been in the news.
00:54:50.000You protest the National ID card, they come put you in the database.
00:54:53.000They say, "You're going in a terrorist database." Don't let that intimidate you.
00:54:57.000They are the terrorists when they do that.
00:54:58.000Ray McGovern comments. - Well, we all have to get into that database.
00:55:05.000And that makes it a little more difficult.
00:55:07.000I'm reminded of the Danes, you know, when the Nazis invaded Denmark, What that very gutsy king did in those days was, when he was told that Jewish people needed to wear these yellow stars on their shirts, he said, all right, we'll all wear them.
00:55:24.000And every Dane donned one of these yellow stars.
00:55:30.000And of course, they couldn't distinguish the Danes from the Jewish people living in Denmark, and that saved the day in large measure.
00:55:53.000Well, the key thing in my view, Alex, is that we have something really unprecedented now.
00:56:01.000The President of the United States has openly claimed That he can choose what laws he'd like to abide by and which ones he wants to violate.
00:56:12.000I'm speaking specifically of the eavesdropping laws.
00:56:16.000There is one on the books, 1978, called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
00:56:22.000And it had two purposes, equally important.
00:56:26.000The first one was to prevent unauthorized intrusion on the Fourth Amendment rights of American citizens.
00:56:33.000And that had been going on big time under J. Edgar Hoover and under the COINTELPRO program during Vietnam, where they monitored people like Martin Luther King and other Americans who were doing nothing wrong, other than nothing wrong at all, just exercising their First Amendment rights.
00:57:19.000Yeah, before he even goes to the court.
00:57:21.000And when he goes to the court, I think there's less than 1% of the cases that have, I know there's less than 1% of the cases that have been turned down.
00:57:30.000So what he decided to do is to just go ahead and start this monster eavesdropping program all by himself.
00:57:38.000He now testified two weeks ago in Congress, as you know, Rand McGovern, about how there are 50 other bigger programs, 50 plus, spying on everything.
00:57:47.000Well, I was there at that testimony and I did hear Russell Tice talk about other programs that he wasn't at liberty to talk about in open session.
00:57:55.000But yeah, this is just the tip of the iceberg and that's why they didn't go to Congress.
00:58:00.000I mean, Remember, this is back right after 9-11.
00:58:04.000Congress would have given the President any authority that he would have wanted within reason.
00:58:10.000Look at the Patriot Act that they passed.
00:58:12.000Well, let's talk more about it when we break.
00:58:14.000We'll be back in 70 seconds with Ray McGovern.
00:58:16.000And by the way, we know there was NSA intercepts of the supposed hijackers, but then the government nixed that, didn't they, Ray?
00:58:23.000Yeah, well, they didn't translate them for us the whole day, and, you know, they really messed up on that, too.
00:58:28.000We'll be right back with the second hour with Ray McGovern.
00:58:30.000I want to get your take, not just on the police state, but what's happening with Iran and whatever issues you want to bring up.
00:58:35.000We'll be right back with Ray McGovern, PresidentBinett.TV.
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01:00:21.000Yeah, in German it's the Führerprinzip, the principle of being the leader, the Führer.
01:00:27.000He's getting this support from Dick Cheney and the lawyers that are attracted to Dick Cheney, David Addington, for one, and then this fellow, John Yoo.
01:00:40.000I was listening to John Yoo make a presentation live in Washington here just two days ago, and it was really quite a shattering performance.
01:00:50.000Because he was saying, you know, the President really has supreme authority over foreign policy.
01:00:57.000Sure, the Constitution says that Congress can declare war, but let's look at that word declare.
01:01:03.000That simply means that they openly say, hey, there's a war on.
01:01:22.000And what it's designed to do, of course, is to give the president the powers of a king.
01:01:29.000Now, for those of your listeners who are a little rusty on how the Constitution was formed by our framing fathers, our founding fathers, the framers of the Constitution, try to remember that these folks, most of them came out of this English experience where You know, the English King would merrily march their subjects off to war, for their own good, of course, but the subjects would have absolutely nothing to say about this.
01:01:56.000And so, the people who fashioned our Constitution at the Constitutional Convention were hell-bent and determined that that would not happen here in this country, and therefore, they reserved the right to declare or authorize war To the elected representatives of the people in the Congress, and not in the executive.
01:02:14.000Yeah, that was one of the major issues in the 10-year debate before the Declaration of Independence, was that we're tired of being subject to the whims of this king, and then you claim that, no, America is about having a king.
01:02:31.000Yeah, well, you know, specifically the authorization of war rests in the first article of the Constitution.
01:02:39.000Now, in the second order of the Constitution, they say that the President, in time of war, shall act as Commander-in-Chief.
01:02:46.000It doesn't say that the President can declare war, or authorize war, or anything like that.
01:02:50.000Yeah, once Congress declares it, and says who the enemy is, and levies the funds for it, then the President becomes the commander of Congress's order, empowering him to.
01:03:09.000I mean, you can always find a lawyer to tell you what you want to hear, but what happened here, and this is really important, Alex, it started with the torture.
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01:08:37.000You know, if you go to InfoWars.com, you can read Ray's bio The Chief Analyst there in Ronald Reagan's office and then of course in George Bush Sr.' 's office He's a Vietnam veteran.
01:08:52.000His CIA credentials include sharing national intelligence estimates and preparation for President's Day Brief.
01:08:59.000And it goes on and on, an expert on Russian activities.
01:09:03.000It's just amazing the research and the things he's done for this country.
01:09:08.000I mean, he's a Cold Warrior, and he's also a graduate of the Harvard Business School, Advanced Management.
01:09:14.000He has a degree in Russian Studies from Fordham University, and a certificate in Theological Studies from Georgetown University, and I can't keep reading.
01:09:24.000I mean, there's about ten other paragraphs that I just don't have time to read.
01:09:27.000I mean, he is an expert's expert, but he's the first to tell you that a real expert says they don't know everything.
01:09:32.000I've interviewed him for a film I'm about to release.
01:09:34.000And you know, he makes that point that Bush and the neocons claim they know everything, but then when all their analysts, all of them, tell them, no, this isn't going to work in Iraq, they say, shut up, and then they manufacture their own office to put out false intelligence.
01:09:47.000Ray, before we go any further, any key websites or organizations we should know about or visit?
01:09:53.000Well, I'd suggest that TomPaine.com, that's T-O-M-P-A-I-N-E.com, and Truthout.com, and CommonDreams.org.
01:10:07.000Those are the three that I very often post my writings on.
01:10:12.000I almost, well, I've almost given up giving my writings to the print media because only a couple of the papers will print them, and posting them gets them up right away, and the readership turns out to be in the several tens of thousands. and the readership turns out to be in the several It's a lot more than that, sir.
01:10:32.000I mean, we post your articles at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, and we get millions of visitors per site a week now.
01:10:50.000Tommy Francis saying the UAE deal is wonderful.
01:10:53.000Whether it is or not, he's claiming that he's saying this is an independent person, but he's getting $450,000 a year from the Bush administration trying to hide that.
01:11:11.000And witness what happened last year, last spring, on May 1st.
01:11:18.000British, the London Times of all papers, not a far-out radical rag by any stretch, published the minutes of a meeting that Tony Blair held with his principal national security advisors on the 23rd of July.
01:11:34.000The infamous White House memo that makes Downing Street look tame.
01:11:38.000Yeah, well these are the Downing Street ones that I'm referring to here, the White House as well, but In that memo that was revealed dating back from July 2002, the head of British Intelligence says, Tony, I've just come back from talking with George Tenet.
01:11:57.000Number one, there's going to be a war.
01:11:58.000The President has decided on that war for regime change in Iraq.
01:12:02.000Number two, they're going to quote, justify, end quote, this war by the conjunction of Weapons of Mass Destruction and Terrorism.
01:12:12.000The translation from the British there would be, we're going to say the Iraqis have all manner of weapons of mass destruction and they're likely to give them to terrorists.
01:12:21.000And then number three, and this is the crowning jewel here for intelligence analysts, number three, the intelligence and the facts are being fixed around the policy.
01:12:32.000Now, that is three months before there is any intelligence estimate.
01:12:36.000There was only an intelligence estimate when Congress required one before voting for war.
01:12:43.000And it was two months before Congress was even asked about approving a war.
01:12:48.000And now we learn right around the same time on the eve of the war, or as they're building up for it, the new White House memo And the White House hasn't denied it, where they're talking about painting planes up like U.N.
01:12:59.000planes to get them shot down, or, quote, we'll have a defector say that he saw WMDs.
01:13:05.000Now, that's clearly they're saying they're going to fake it, because they're saying, oh, we'll just say a defector saw this.
01:13:36.000It's a little bit inured, a little bit shell-shocked, and it's hard to say all this beyond the pale.
01:13:41.000Well, I call it... I mean, that's what I call it, is an orgy of evidence.
01:13:45.000But you were trying to make a point before the break interrupted you, and then I want to go through this.
01:13:49.000We're talking about the Fuhrer principle that you spoke of in German, where they're actually declaring the opposite of what our country was founded on, what the Constitution says.
01:13:58.000And they say the Constitution says Bush is above the law, and I want to just repeat this briefly.
01:14:03.000He's not just saying he's above the law on torture.
01:14:27.000Yeah, well, let me pick up Posse Comitatus first.
01:14:30.000That, of course, is the law that forbids the use of the U.S.
01:14:34.000Army troops for internal police functions in this country.
01:14:40.000Now, that is really scary, because as I've observed this administration, not only have the top ranks of the intelligence community been politicized and corrupted, but so has the army.
01:15:20.000This is the same guy who was in charge of the troops that tried to take Fallujah the first time in April of 2004.
01:15:28.000And when he found out that there were two reporters from Al Jazeera inside Fallujah, he required as a condition for the armistice That the Al Jazeera reporters leave.
01:15:45.000He recriticized one of them by name, and two days later, we know from other British documents, Bush wanted to bomb Al Jazeera headquarters in the Middle East, and only Blair successfully dissuaded him from doing that.
01:16:00.000Now, this is the kind of crew that you're working with.
01:16:05.000It is, and what you have here is a military establishment, That is really goose-stepping around, saluting the president, saying whatever the president wants to hear.
01:16:15.000When congressmen go out to Iraq and they say, do you have enough troops?
01:16:19.000The colonels, the majors, some of the generals say, look at us!
01:16:43.000I mention this because as I look at the top Pentagon brass, I have to conclude that unlike my days as a U.S.
01:16:51.000Army officer, unlike my days, those folks have been so politicized that if the President told them To go ahead and exercise police functions within our country, they would salute and they would do it, and that's really scary.
01:17:04.000Well, I'm sure you heard about that big conservative conference a few weeks ago, and Viet Dinh, one of the authors of the Patriot Act, number two under Ashcroft, in the old administration a few years ago, He said, you know, the President, and I've got the quotes, you know, it needs to be above the law to keep us safe, and then Bob Barr basically got booed off the stage when he said, no, that's not what America is about.
01:17:24.000I mean, a lot of these neocons want a Nazi Germany.
01:17:27.000They want to be little toadies of a dictator.
01:17:31.000Well, Taney said the same thing, of course, you know, when this eavesdropping came up.
01:17:35.000He said, in times of war, the President does not need to be constrained by any law.
01:17:40.000And, you know, getting back to, you know, when it all started, and we should have been onto it then, some of us were, but the press certainly wasn't.
01:17:48.000After 9-11, the President wanted to, quote, take the gloves off, okay, end quote.
01:17:54.000Even Rumsfeld remonstrated and said, two days, on the day after 9-11, he said, well now, Mr. President, you know, it goes against international law to attack some other country.
01:18:06.000And the President chewed his rear end off.
01:18:08.000He said, look, I don't care what the international lawyers say.
01:18:11.000We're going to kick some ass, quote-unquote, right out of Richard Clarke's book, okay?
01:18:16.000Well, how did that translate into action?
01:18:19.000The President called George Tenet in, the head of the CIA, and he says, you got some guys that can do the business on these captives that we're getting?
01:18:26.000And we'll have to conclude, finish that up, but the short answer simply is the tenant said, well, let me go look.
01:18:33.000And now John Yoo gives speeches in front of the CFR saying we can crush children's genitals in front of their parents.
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01:23:19.000Mr. McGovern, you were continuing with, we cannot stress how serious this is.
01:23:24.000I mean, for the first time since the Civil War, a president is declaring total power, total dictator power, in front of everyone, and then openly saying, if there's another big attack, we may shut aside the Constitution.
01:23:37.000His paid mouthpieces, covert mouthpieces now exposed, I mean, I've actually got my passports ready.
01:23:44.000I'm going to stay here, but I may evacuate my family if something else happens.
01:24:02.000How our government carried out terror attacks to blame it on him?
01:24:04.000I mean, bottom line, your gut analysis on the current terror attack, 7-7, I even had John Lopez on from the Clinton administration, high-level anti-terror, the FBI, and he said, Alex, I can't say it's not MI6, it looks like it is, because of the SWAT guy.
01:24:20.000Can you comment on government-sponsored terror?
01:24:23.000Well, yeah, only to say, Alex, that terrorism is in the eye of the beholder, you know?
01:24:30.000We're talking about 1.3 billion Muslims in the world and most of them watching on TV programs like Al Jazeera and others that are showing real live footage of not only Abu Ghraib But dead toddlers with their intestines hanging out every day.
01:24:50.000Yeah, and you know, what they're showing are attacks by helicopter gunships built in the US, manned by the Israelis, attacking the West Bank.
01:25:20.000Certainly there's some real organic terrorism, but I'm talking about... I mean, you've openly said before you're not buying the official story and it's suspicious and you've mentioned Ray McGovern's book.
01:25:30.000Well, Ray McGovern now has gone public and said it's conclusive it was a government op.
01:25:35.000Well, what I'm saying about government-supported terrorism is this.
01:25:41.000You know, we all need to take five steps back, Alex.
01:25:45.000You know, when the President tells us, you know, why do they hate us?
01:25:48.000You know, it's they hate our democracy or they hate our freedom, you know?
01:25:53.000You know, if you believe that, then I've got a bridge up there in Brooklyn that I'd very much like to sell you.
01:26:14.000And I think I may have said this before in the show, but it bears repeating.
01:26:17.000The way you eliminate malaria, of course, is you find out where the mosquitoes are breeding, and you find that swamp, and immediately you station sharpshooters around that swamp, and you try to shoot as many mosquitoes as they leave the swamp, right?
01:26:41.000What you need to do is drain the swamp of the grievances, the legitimate ones, that many of the Muslim people have to get rid of.
01:26:49.000But the Pentagon's own plan, P-2-O-G, says they actually want to stir them up.
01:26:52.000Well, they certainly have succeeded in that, but, you know, if we're talking about preventing terrorism from coming here to these shores again, or preventing terrorism from endangering our friend Israel, well, before we invaded Iraq, there were no terrorists in Iraq.
01:27:11.000There was a couple of old, aging guys that Saddam Hussein gave refuge to, but the only other terrorism he was doing, and I don't excuse this by any shot, He was giving money to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine.
01:27:27.000Now, that's, as I say, not to be condoned, but now look at Iraq.
01:27:32.000How many suicide bombings were there in Iraq before we invaded Iraq?
01:27:36.000Well, Ray, what I'm trying to get to is, last time you were on, and now there's thousands, but I mean, just a few months ago I had you on, without even prompting, you said, ah, the whole 9-11 thing, you know, very, very suspicious, this whole thing stinks to heaven, a great pretext.
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01:31:44.000twenty five eight six six eight eight five sixty six twenty five one more time that eight six six eight eight five sixty six twenty five crashing through the lies and disinformation is alex jones only on the gcm radio network waging war on corruption monday through friday from eleven to two central back from nine to midnight
01:32:11.000Going back to Ray McGovern, top CIA analyst, morning briefer for people like George H.W.
01:33:27.000We know you may not be right six months from now, but you've been right in the past.
01:33:30.000We just want to get what you think's going to happen, and then what we can do to hopefully stop what you think's going to happen if it's bad.
01:33:39.000She's just trying to appear more manly than the next man on the block, and that's a despicable kind of attitude to have.
01:33:47.000The business about Iran is very troubling, because, as you say, Alex, if you look at the build-up to the war in Iraq, well, it's almost like they're using the same sentences and just substituting it, doing a universal substitution put in Iran, where we used to say Iraq.
01:34:04.000Uh, Iran is the next on the target of the PNAC documents.
01:34:07.000Uh, these are the project for the New American Century documents that are really the ideological visionary justification, if you want to put it that way, for these kinds of wars.
01:34:19.000And, uh, would it be a crazy thing to do?
01:34:21.000It would indeed be a crazy thing to do, but these are the folks, though widely known in the 80s, where they were kept at middle level levels in the Pentagon, under the uh... reagan administration they were widely known as a quote the crazies and quote uh...
01:34:37.000you come in a monday morning and your friend with a guess what the crazy that on friday late and you feel that what and you know exactly who they were alluding to richard richard pearl and paul wolfowitz That whole crew, and they're still around behind the scenes.
01:34:51.000These guys are like caricatures of villains from James Bond movies.
01:34:55.000I read a Washington Post account a few years ago of Pearl at dinner parties and people walking away from him.
01:35:01.000He's walking around saying, literally, I'm powerful.
01:35:26.000Let me, before we get too far into this, Alex, let me give some rays of hope here, because I think that what we can expect is that what we call patriotic truth-tellers and what others call leakers are really going to come out this time.
01:35:43.000Look at the people who didn't speak out in time.
01:35:45.000Paul Pilar, who just spoke out now, Richard Clark, Paul O'Neill, Wilkerson, who used to work for Powell.
01:35:53.000All those people knew that this was a phony war against Iraq, and they didn't speak out when they could have prevented it.
01:35:59.000Wilkerson has said that they all knew it was a lie, that he lied, he apologized, he said, we lied to you, it was a fraud.
01:36:04.000Yeah, right, it would be nice if he told us then, right?
01:36:07.000Well, what's different this time is that there are enough people that have been sensitized to the incredible damage that can happen if they keep silent, that they're coming out.
01:36:17.000And so that's why we know that the latest national intelligence estimate, for example, says that Iran could not have a nuclear weapon for 10 years.
01:36:24.000Now, if that's the case, who's going to bless a war against Iran on the supposition that they're an immediate threat to us?
01:36:32.000these folks are coming out from the woodwork.
01:36:34.000They're telling us about renderings, about prisons abroad, about torture, about eavesdropping.
01:36:39.000It's a fair game on the administration.
01:36:43.000Let's talk about these black, well, finish up with these black world sites, because the torture we know of is the tip of the iceberg.
01:36:50.000But tell us more about what you see happening.
01:37:02.000Well, what's really dangerous here is that they would resort to nuclear weapons, these so-called mini-nukes, to take out the Iranian nuclear facility.
01:37:15.000Now, this crew is so irresponsible that they don't seem to know the difference between nuclear weapons and conventional weapons.
01:37:23.000And we know enough about the Pentagon plans to know that they've been sort of melded together.
01:37:28.000And so nuclear weapons just pack a little bit more punch in their view.
01:37:33.000By the way, hitting... I've read some assessments on it.
01:37:38.000Hitting uranium enrichment facilities will create giant dirty bombs, and if one of these mini-nukes was to actually detonate and have its main fusion react, they're now reporting With these uranium stockpiles, it could do something really nasty.
01:37:55.000Yeah, of course they use that as justification for doing it now rather than later, you know, before things will go critical.
01:38:03.000But just, you know, if you take two steps back, this would get us into real deep trouble with the Soviet Union, with Russia, with China, with India, with all the other people who are interested in a stable Iran from which they can get oil.
01:38:24.000You know, what you have is a bunch of blue-suited generals with stars on their lapels saying, Mr. President, we can just send these cruise missiles and these bombers and we can do the job from the air and not one guy needs to be killed.
01:38:38.000But you were an analyst on these very subjects.
01:38:40.000I was also an infantry officer, and I know that the infantry, as you can see in Iraq, If you're going to do the job, you need the infantry to do it.
01:38:48.000Well, they're already bivouacked in their citadels and their keeps and their fortresses.
01:38:53.000And so if there's 65 million people versus 22 million people in Iran, the Iranians haven't been under 14 years or 12 years at the time of sanctions.
01:39:03.000They've got more sophisticated weapons systems.
01:39:06.000Can you speak to what Iran may do if they're now saying 200 sites are hit?
01:39:10.000I mean, will the neocons get on air and go, It's unbelievable, they're firing back at us.
01:40:05.000And I hope that enough people are around that can say to the President, look, Mr. President, don't listen to this small circle of neokinds that got you into Iraq.
01:40:26.000Now you're giving us rays of sunshine, what about as you started out with rays of gloom and doom?
01:40:31.000Well... I mean, if these guys are nuts, and the Iranians have all these cruise missiles, sunburn missiles, and even some French missiles, start blowing up ships...
01:40:40.000I think the neocons know that the American people, when we feel like we're losing, will suddenly get involved with the war.
01:40:47.000Then a convenient bomb goes off here in the U.S.
01:40:50.000Whoever releases it, we know will do it.
01:40:52.000And then we've got national conscription which is set up.
01:40:54.000I think they're trying to get us into a fight where we start losing and then we gear up and they can be the kings of World War III.
01:41:01.000That really sounds crazy, but I can't rule that out, Alex.
01:41:05.000In other words, if you look at what these folks have already done with respect to Iraq, it's quite possible that that is their general plan.
01:41:13.000It's quite possible that the President is sort of informed about these things after the fact, as he was about this port business, selling them to the UAE.
01:41:22.000You know, the President really isn't in the mix here.
01:41:25.000It's Rumsfeld and Cheney running the whole show.
01:41:28.000And what's absent is the equivalent of Llewellyn Thompson.
01:41:32.000Now, most people are too young to remember him, but he was the ambassador of Russia to the Soviet Union for a long period of time before President Kennedy came in.
01:41:41.000And President Kennedy had such respect for him that he insisted that Thompson be present at all the deliberations of what to do when the Russians brought the missiles into Cuba.
01:41:51.000And when everybody else was about to start a nuclear war, Curtis LeMay and company, Uh, you know what Llewellyn Thompson said?
01:42:14.000But the point is that there's no Llewellyn Thompson around now.
01:42:18.000If there is, he would not be let anywhere near the President.
01:42:22.000And so what we have to do, and I think it's within our power, Alex, We have to descend upon our representatives and our senators and say, look, this is crazy.
01:42:32.000We have to move before this terrible war gets expanded into Iran and make sure that our voice is heard.
01:42:38.000We need to get out on the third anniversary of the starting of this first feckless war.
01:42:43.000and make sure people realize that not all Americans, by far, not all Americans support this.
01:42:48.000Well, you bring up the point about Bush.
01:42:49.000He admittedly works out two hours a day, takes three-hour naps.
01:42:52.000I feel like I have a responsibility, being on all these AM and FM stations and Internet and shortwave, to where I literally, it's about four or five hours a night, I know my whole family, my whole country, my whole future.
01:43:35.000I mean, if I was about to start World War III, I'd be working 20 hours a day to make sure I did it right.
01:43:39.000My point is, they're just, like you said, a bunch of perfumed, soft little political generals laughing and giggling while our troops are being blown to pieces.
01:45:03.000Well, we know that two administration officials, the head of over half their global operations for Europe and Latin America, he is going to be the head of the Maritime Administration.
01:45:14.000So that's the story, but Limbaugh and all the rest of these phony conservatives are out saying it's a big, commie lie.
01:45:21.000You know, one of the main aspects of fascism is when you have the leading corporations, the most powerful corporations, identified very closely with the government in charge.
01:45:33.000And I'm afraid we have to be very, very careful now.
01:45:37.000Uh, that we don't tread any farther down that path.
01:45:40.000Yeah, I mean, even if UAE's okay and the port thing isn't a problem, I mean, let's just acquiesce and say that.
01:45:45.000I don't agree with that, but let's just, for argument's sake, regardless, I looked at the federal laws.
01:45:51.000That's a federal, uh, serious federal crime.
01:45:53.000And then at the same time, it's illegal, according to the documents I've seen, to have, uh, doing deals with people and then making their executives the heads of security.
01:46:03.000Yeah, well, they've changed all that in this administration.
01:46:07.000If they haven't changed the regulations, they've just ignored them, and as we all know, the President... As Bush says, he's above the law.
01:46:14.000Yeah, and unless we challenge him on that, you know, we talked about the framers of our Constitution before, you know.
01:46:22.000When they finished up these tireless months of working out this great, great text, and they had every reason to be really pleased, Somebody said, OK, well fine, let's break out the champagne.
01:46:34.000Somebody spoke up and said, nope, not yet, not yet.
01:46:40.000Well, human nature being such, it's inevitable that somewhere down the line, some president is going to think that he can act like a king.
01:46:50.000And so we have to craft some language into this basic document now, not later, now, before the champagne.
01:46:58.000To find an orderly process that can be followed when that happens so that you don't get an insurrection.
01:47:05.000Well, our entire form of government is about separation of powers at the state and federal level and the three branches.
01:47:10.000And Ray, we're about to go to some calls here in our final minutes.
01:47:14.000Russell and Ken and others that are holding.
01:47:16.000But that process is called impeachment and it was an orderly process left to us and that's what we should be following now.
01:47:24.000And I have some hope that this will take take shape in the next couple of months.
01:47:28.000Well, sorry for cutting you off there, I didn't know you were finishing up.
01:47:33.000Yes, that is one of the remedies, is impeachment for this would-be dictator, but I want to get the quote from you for the headline here.
01:47:40.000Bottom line, do you agree with the statement that Bush and his controllers are attempting to perfect a classical dictatorship here in the United States?
01:47:52.000The evidence supports that view very much.
01:47:55.000The difference is, Alex, that you and I can still talk like this, unless we continue to talk like this very loud and persuade some of our fellow Americans to do the same.
01:48:07.000That will be the inevitable conclusion.
01:48:09.000Well, Ray, I'm not a cowardly person, but I love my family, and I've never been like this.
01:48:15.000I mean, I've had people, you know, four guys meet me in a parking lot and start pounding on me, saying, shut up before, and it didn't intimidate me.
01:48:24.000I mean, I feel something, not just the evidence, I feel it in my bones.
01:48:28.000Do you feel that we are in just the greatest peril ever?
01:48:32.000I've not known the like of it in my 43 years of watching things closely here in Washington.
01:48:37.000But I have a basic trust in the American people.
01:48:40.000I think that there is time for us all to wake up, exercise our rights, and reverse this business.
01:48:46.000What we didn't mention so far is the most hopeful thing, and his name is Patrick Fitzgerald, and we're going to hear from him in the next week or two, and my hunch is that he's going to help us turn this thing around.
01:49:04.000So, Ray, you agree then that right now we are in imminent peril of going into a full-bore fascist police state?
01:49:14.000Unless the Congress starts to wake up and act like the statesmen that our constitutional people who wrote our Constitution anticipated, Yeah, because the President said he can pay laws or disregard them unless the Congress and the Supreme Court call them to the Constitution.
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01:53:52.000Mr. McGovern, you've been gracious enough to spend this time with us.
01:53:54.000We're going to do five more minutes in the next hour, so we can take a few of these calls.
01:53:58.000Russell in Florida, you're on the air.
01:54:18.000Ray, you've participated in many great documentaries, including some of Alex's, highlighting the neocon PNAC strategies surrounding the Iraq War and the false flag war on terror, but I'm still not 100% sure where you stand on 9-11.
01:54:29.000And Alex kind of stole some of my thunder asking you a question before, but do you believe 9-11 was allowed to happen?
01:54:36.000Or was it a high-level, compartmentalized, military-industrial complex Reichstag fire meant to bring about the inactivation of a New World Order?
01:54:45.000The second question is, since we're fighting an information war, other than waking people up, Ray, what do you think our major solutions are to winning this thing?
01:54:56.000On number one, 9/11, I have two minds on this.
01:55:04.000One is that all these unanswered questions raise great suspicions in my mind, and every lie that Dick Cheney tells makes it very much easier for me to believe that Dick Cheney, for example, knew something about what was happening, and that accounts for his rather bizarre behavior that day.
01:55:26.000On the other hand, as I look at all the people who would have to be clued in on this, The more extreme theories leave me unpersuaded.
01:55:38.000Let me just throw this out there, Ray.
01:55:39.000I mean, here's just one of 500 plus points we've made on this subject.
01:55:44.000The Dean of the Defense Language School went public and said the government did it.
01:55:47.000They spun it in the media that he meant it was their fault.
01:56:21.000The question is, what is being covered up?
01:56:25.000And people who have worked in government even longer than I have, have told me, never underestimate the ability for government functionaries to be incompetent.
01:56:37.000Now, I grant you that it requires a baffling amount of incompetence to have missed all these leads and then had the fighters stand down and everything else.
01:56:48.000But against that, I just can't wrap myself around the notion that hundreds and hundreds of Americans would know that this was a put-up job.
01:56:58.000When I say the government, I don't even mean the government.
01:57:00.000I mean private, compartmentalized corporations being contracted.
01:57:04.000Yeah, well, again, For me, maybe it's just because I haven't been able to look in it so closely myself, but I think the books that David Ray Griffin has written are the best ones out on this, and they leave all kinds of questions in my mind.
01:57:21.000I'm just not prepared to say... I understand.
01:57:23.000You're staying focused on the war and the fraud there, and not opening yourself up on getting into this deeper.
01:58:55.000Yeah, there's lots of evidence that the government in the past has used these things for its own purposes, overthrowing governments as it did in Iran in 1953.
01:59:09.000Uh, and in Guatemala in 1954, the Gulf Tonkin was a little different.
01:59:14.000There was an incident on the 2nd of August, there was none on the 4th, but LBJ wanted to use the quote, one on the 4th end quote to shove through that resolution.
01:59:26.000This was kind of a spur-of-the-moment sort of thing, a target of opportunity.
01:59:29.000I don't condone it, but he did deceive Congress and the war went on for seven more years.
01:59:42.000Mr. Jones, Mr. McGovern, good afternoon.
01:59:44.000I was actually calling, you know, I keep reading different headlines about this attack on the Ascaria Shrine in Samara.
01:59:54.000And I can't help but think, you know, something that's supposed to be, you know, this amazingly holy site, you know, it just baffles me that... Israeli documents from 83 say they want Iraq broken up in three parts, they want civil war, the neocons want civil war so they can stay there longer, but I don't know if the Iranian president is right to say that some intelligence agency did this because these groups do kill each other.
02:00:18.000I hadn't heard that the Iranian had said that, but I was asking my Uh, veteran intelligence professionals for Sanity Friends last night via email.
02:00:28.000Uh, the main question, which is Cui Bono, uh, who profits from this kind of thing.
02:00:34.000And, uh, you don't have to be very conspiratorial or even, uh, paranoid to, to suggest that, uh, there are a whole bunch of likely suspects out there.
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02:06:30.000Listen, when the communist Chinese were getting the Panama Canal in Long Beach, I got on a plane and flew out to California to get the video of it.
02:06:38.000Okay, I was against Bill Clinton, and I'm against George Bush today.
02:06:42.000But of course, these neocon bootlicker listeners who love Limbaugh and all these phony conservatives, I mean, what's your major malfunction?
02:06:52.000For stations that don't carry the first little five-minute segment that we do, you really missed it.
02:06:57.000A caller, and that was in my list of questions form that I'd written up this morning, but I didn't get around to it.
02:07:01.000The caller brought up the mosque bombing, the shrine bombing, and McGovern said, well, looks like from the evidence, he said, I talked to a bunch of veteran analysts that are part of my group, It's leaning towards the U.S.
02:07:11.000and Israel being behind it, and now we have this Iraqi guard, the witnesses saying, seeing government people there blowing it up.
02:08:51.000These terms mean nothing, but I use the terms that most people understand.
02:08:55.000We've been given false terms, a false paradigm, a false mental map to follow, garbage in, garbage out.
02:09:01.000All these Time Magazine and Newsweek covers of the Oval Office with light shining on it, and Bush thinks he's getting messages from Jesus and all this.
02:09:08.000George Bush is a Nazi devil worshipper.
02:09:11.000He's part of a Germanic death cult, admittedly.
02:09:14.000They do all sorts of weird stuff in coffins.
02:09:15.000I've been to Bohemian Grove, where they go The mainstream news admits they bring in gay porn stars to quote service them.
02:09:22.000He prays at Shinto shrines and summons the demon in Japan.
02:09:25.000He goes to Muslim mosques and prays to Allah.
02:09:46.000He doesn't want to kill the Arabs because of how Abraham's wife, one of them was Jewish, and that's just Judah.
02:09:56.000One of them was going to be an Israelite.
02:09:58.000One of them was of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Joseph.
02:10:03.000Then we go on past that and we look at what's happening with all these other groups and God says there will be enmity between you two and the son you had with his concubine over here.
02:10:16.000George Bush does not think that he's supposed to kill all the Arabs because God told him to.
02:10:20.000And the Bible doesn't say kill all the Arabs, at least the Bible I've read.
02:10:50.000Hey, your guest is going to be ten minutes late.
02:10:52.000Like today, they pop in my ear right as I go on air, at the thirty after, in the first hour, and while the caller's talking, he's going, Ray McGovern's going to be ten minutes late.
02:11:46.000Look at all these other ninnying, backstabbing, COINTELPRO talk show hosts and people that are out there, which all they do is attack other patriots when the whole country is going down right now.
02:11:56.000We have to get to the point where we start fighting the NWO.
02:12:00.000Now, I've just gone off into a rant, but I got another email the other day.
02:13:47.000They were both mentally retarded on welfare.
02:13:50.000They actually went and found two poor, retarded Muslims And a blind sheep who didn't know what was going on, and would sit there and shoot his mouth off, and the government tried to blow up one of those towers, and thank God the people didn't park it up against the column like they were ordered to do!
02:14:18.000If I did that here on this broadcast, if I sat here and talked about the people that attack me, the things that go on, we wouldn't have a radio show.
02:14:27.000And I wish we had better Patriot Talk shows.
02:15:23.000And if good people will just get together, instead of all saying one group causes it all and one group is behind it, I've looked at the New World Order, folks.
02:15:34.000It is a huge gallery of rogues who are in control of any major organization, any large organization, any old organization that's out there.
02:15:44.000And until we shift our paradigms and start attacking the programs of the New World Order, and start striking at the root of their Luciferian philosophy, it's only going to get worse.
02:15:55.000Boy, let's go ahead and talk to Ganto in Texas.
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02:22:18.000And what you were saying earlier there, I listen to you because out of everybody in the media, you can listen to, you're the closest to the truth.
02:22:30.000And you are a modern-day protestant like Martin Luther.
02:22:58.000It was stated and recorded in a book published in 1909.
02:23:02.000The book was entitled Testimonies for the Church, Volume 9.
02:23:09.000If you go to page 12, there's a word description of 9-11.
02:23:12.000The five cities... I'd like to warn anybody that's living in these cities to make Make plans, pray and ask God for guidance to make your way out of these cities.
02:23:25.000You're going to tell people the cities are going to be destroyed because somebody's analyzed the Bible.
02:24:16.000Well, this has got nothing to do with Nostradamus.
02:24:18.000Nostradamus is... I agree with you, sir.
02:24:20.000I think it's pure bull, but... Anyways, all I'd like to say is that the same person that wrote The Vision of 9-11 said that New York City, Washington, Chicago, Houston, and I believe Houston is close to you, Los Angeles are cities Where people of faith need to remove themselves.
02:24:39.000All major metropolis of places of the world, people need to move and get out of the cities because when all this goes down, and this is another very important point I want to make with you, Alex.
02:24:50.000You know, I believe in everything you say, and I believe that, you know... Sorry, I didn't like the point.
02:24:54.000You don't have to agree with everything I said.
02:25:43.000I'm gonna, as a whistleblower, I'm gonna use the Cheney shooting I had called you last week.
02:25:49.000And, uh, when I found out, uh, the day I called you, uh, uh, Whittington came forward and they showed that, uh, he was shot on the right side.
02:26:00.000And then, before that, previous to that, they were claiming that he was shot on the left side.
02:26:09.000Yeah, but if Cheney turned to his right and shot at a quail and then Whittington was to his right, how did he shoot Whittington on the right side?
02:26:22.000Well, Whittington could have been turned to his right.
02:26:24.000You can turn in the direction of someone that's shooting at you.
02:26:28.000Yeah, but... What we know is they said he wasn't drinking, now he admits he was.
02:26:31.000What we know is they shot him up closer than what he said.
02:26:33.000What we know is they kept the police out for almost 14 hours, and we know a cover-up's been taking place.
02:26:39.000Okay, so then, in other words, as a whistleblower, I'm going to come forward, I'm going to show that the news media used the official report, the shooting accident report.
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02:30:54.000We cover a lot of news we haven't gotten to yet, and then we'll take some calls from Allie, Gary, Jesse, and a few others before we end this live broadcast today.
02:31:10.000I also have similar instant messages that have come in to me today.
02:31:13.000What does the Bush or the Globalists have to gain besides oil for a civil war in Iraq?
02:31:18.000Well, they get the oil by keeping the crisis going.
02:31:21.000Again, their own PNAC documents say, Israeli documents say, they want to break it into three or four different provinces.
02:31:26.000Now this is being floated on NPR and PBS and places of, oh, it was an unseen thing, but maybe it'll help.
02:31:32.000We'll just break it into three or four different regions.
02:31:34.000And it allows more weapons sales and more no-bid contracts to go on for decades, and to build permanent military bases in the area, and then to use it as a base to attack Iran and Syria.
02:31:44.000That's the stated plan, so that's why They want to stay there.
02:31:48.000Interesting note on Google by Paul Joseph Watson.
02:31:51.000Big article up on PrisonPlanet.com right now.
02:31:54.000And we got this right out of the mainstream news here.
02:31:59.000He wrote an article about the particular story and even found some more details.
02:32:03.000Google imposes a worldwide ban on China-critical websites, so they're now finding that you can't just ban the Chinese Google, the Chinese variant of their search engine.
02:32:14.000They'll have to ban everything if the Chinese government orders them to.
02:32:18.000Spacewar accuses company of selling out to boys from Beijing.
02:32:22.000Spacewar is a mainstream news site we go to all the time.
02:32:25.000It's kind of like Jane's Weapons Digest.
02:32:28.000And for the first time in what some fear will signal a growing trend, Google Inc.
02:32:32.000has banned and removed a mainstream news website from all its worldwide search engines.
02:32:38.000Seemingly due to the website's reports on Chinese geopolitical affairs and military technology.
02:32:43.000Yeah, it's even more of a leftward-leaning news site, I would say.
02:32:46.000It's not even really critical of China.
02:32:49.000They just don't like the fact they've got good intel.
02:32:51.000Google came under fire last month for agreeing to install government search filters on its Chinese-based search engine.
02:32:57.000The company that was founded on the motto, Don't Be Evil, claimed that some censorship was acceptable because in the long term the internet would be opened up to wider audiences and freedom of speech would expand.
02:33:06.000The excuse today can be put to bed because Google has banned its users, and this is horrible news folks, we better start in Yahoo!
02:34:38.000Google Inc., in the wake of pressure from Chinese government, has begun blocking access to various websites deemed unfriendly to the boys from Beijing.
02:34:44.000At this stage, we have no evidence to suggest this is the reason for Google has banned SpaceWar.com.
02:34:49.000The lack of any forewarning that Space War was operating in violation of Google's increasingly strict search engine compliance requirements, however, leads us to suspect the ban is politically motivated.
02:36:19.000Doesn't mention how all these administration officials and one of the company's chief executives is going to be over all our port security, running the Maritime Administration.
02:36:49.000You think it's just people in Austria like David Irving getting three years for his free speech, and whether you agree with him or disagree with him, it's his right.
02:37:01.000A German court on Thursday convicted a businessman of insulting Islam by printing the word Koran on toilet paper and offering it to mosque.
02:37:09.000The 61-year-old man identified only as Manfred Van H has been given one year jail sentence.
02:37:58.000Fluoride helps strengthen teeth and prevent tooth decay.
02:38:00.000Mass fluoridating of miscible water supplies started in the 1940's has been called the most effective public health measure ever made to improve oral health.
02:38:07.000But the growing popularity of bottled water has brought concerns about adequate fluoride levels.
02:38:12.000Should there be fluoride supplements for our children?
02:38:14.000I thought they were already getting it with their toothpaste, even if you say it's good.
02:38:17.000And the head doctor, dentist up in Canada, who helped fluoridate water 10 years ago, has gone public and said he was totally wrong.
02:39:18.000To hear the administration and supporters talk, you'd think the workers in New York ports are carefully vetted by the Waterfront Commission, the ports themselves protected by the ever-watchful Coast Guard and routinely surveilled by U.S.
02:39:31.000And then it gets into truth of the fact of how it's totally wide open.
02:39:34.000There's all these drug dealers and the rest of it.
02:39:37.000Speaking of Chinese ordering Google to ban mainstream news websites, not just off the Google search engine for China, but all of their search engines, including Google.com, well, this is the BBC!
02:40:12.000It says, cartoons that blend live-action actors with animation are to be banned from TV and China.
02:40:19.000And so, uh, that's a lot of different types of films.
02:40:21.000I guess an upcoming film that I'm in that is live action, I mean, it's really me on screen, but it's been rotoscoped to give it a dreamlike look.
02:40:28.000I guess, uh, Scanner Darkly won't be here in there, I guess.
02:40:32.000It says, shows as Teletubbies in the film Who Framed Roger Rabbit could be affected by the decision taken by the country's main TV and film regulator.
02:40:39.000The move is aimed at promoting Chinese animators and apparently curbing the use of foreign cartoons.
02:40:45.000China's state administration of radio, film and television said people who flout the ban will be punished.
02:40:51.000And of course that will just force Americans to go have their animation done in China so it can then air there.
02:40:55.000A billion, three hundred million people monopolizing, engaging in criminal monopoly And dictating everything we do, but that's okay, it's free market.
02:41:06.000It has not yet said which shows will be directly affected, but described them as so-called cartoons that mainly feature real people and only occasionally have computer-generated elements.
02:41:14.000The BB Show, and the reason I don't like this is that it's getting cheaper and cheaper to do this, and so a lot of even big U.S.
02:41:20.000firms have been hiring out to South Korea and China to do this.
02:41:23.000Like The Simpsons is made in South Korea.
02:41:28.000The BBC show Teletubbies, which is known as Tin Yang Xin Ba Bo in China and broadcast to millions of children, is among many foreign children's programs shown in the country.
02:42:40.000See, this is the new freedom, ladies and gentlemen, where China dictates everything.
02:42:43.000And the globalists have said, I've watched CFR meetings on C-SPAN where they've said, they are the golden child, they are the future, everything they want, that their people are slaves, they have stadium mass executions of citizens, they have mobile execution vans, they force abort babies, they drown six-month-old babies that people have in secret because of the one-child policy, they bash their brains out in front of the mother and sell the baby for body parts.
02:43:05.000Our government, the globalists love them!
02:43:08.000They are leaders after their own heart and they're going to run everything.
02:43:32.000Two uniformed Homeland Security officers have created a bit of a stink after walking into a public library and telling computer users that in the interest of national security, they were not allowed to visit porn sites.
02:43:42.000According to the Washington Post, the pair entered Little Falls branch of the Montgomery County Public Schools in Bethesda and called the attention and made their announcement.
02:43:50.000They then went and looked at each person who was on their PC without a warrant, just walked up.
02:43:56.000They then looked at the records of what they were looking at and said, I see a porn site there and started shaking them down.
02:44:01.000It then appears that Homeland Security officers encountered a force which was considerably more powerful than any character they may have been given by the President.
02:44:09.000A librarian approached them and told them to be quiet.
02:44:12.000The police were called and the men were asked to leave.
02:44:17.000Homeland Security has moved to distance itself from the Paris action.
02:44:25.000They arrest homeless people and charge them under the Patriot Act.
02:44:29.000They arrest kids with an ounce of marijuana and charge them under the Patriot Act and say, you don't get to face your accusers or have a defense.
02:44:42.000I mean, listen, I don't support the porn, I don't support the topless bars, but Homeland Security rating a Las Vegas topless bar because the owner paid $4,000 to a county commissioner to get zoned for more parking spaces ain't terrorism!
02:44:59.000Homeland Security has said they are in infrastructure protection and they're going to run and federalize every police force in the country.
02:45:05.000You're going to have CIA liaisons in every city.
02:45:09.000And they're going to be the commissariat.
02:45:11.000And they're saying they're going to arrest us for our speech.
02:45:13.000Two weeks ago in a congressional testimony, the chairman of the committee, I have the mainstream news article in the stack, said that people protesting the war are really Al Qaeda and that he wants to start arresting us.
02:45:49.000In fact, I am just so... I'm sure I'm going to be blocked now on Google when I start this boycott of China.
02:45:55.000We've got to stop buying from these people or we're going to kill our economy and kill this country and support a bunch of pig demons that are killing their own people.
02:46:20.000What you were just saying... Well, I'm going to go on to what I was going to comment on.
02:46:28.000That woman who called saying the Bible ...orders Israel to kill the offspring of Esau, and that we are Israel, and Bush being of the House of David, and of course Prince Charles is too, we have the right to rule the rest of the world.
02:46:44.000She called in the Power Hour this morning, spouting off the same rhetoric, and I'm glad that she cut her off.
02:46:50.000What she is saying is a beast or monster race, and you should play that Spike Jonze record in honor of her today, before you go off the air, I think.
02:47:00.000Well, yeah, I mean, I recognize what it was.
02:47:48.000Anyway, what I was going to say about your earlier comments was, of course you know, nobody was killed at Tiananmen Square, and there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
02:48:36.000Come back, talk to Gary and Jesse, and that's going to be, stay with us.
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02:53:21.000A couple other stories I wanted to hit, but I don't have time to get to them.
02:53:24.000One of them uh... is out of the CBC TV SWAT raid scares school kids and it says that they raided a house right next door to it with their armored vehicle and their machine guns and their black mask and it scared the children.
02:53:38.000Now contrast that with in America they call it training and I have video of it.
02:53:43.000The cops come in yelling, screaming, aiming guns.
02:53:45.000Sometimes they shoot kids in the face.
02:53:49.000I mean, all the time, they scream, they yell, shoving elementary kids around, they cry, they have nightmares, and it's just, well, it's the training.
02:53:56.000Yeah, federally paid for to traumatize the children.
02:53:58.000This is the same as Soviet re-education, and the cops are like, no, that ain't doin' that, we're doin' this in case there's another Columbiner.
02:54:07.000And Columbine, by the way, was another black op, guaranteed.
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02:54:49.000Hey, I'm down here in the Virginia beach area, Virginia, and I picked you up on ManCal, and I'm really glad you got on that show, because I think a lot of people like myself who have never heard of your site now have.
02:55:04.000I started listening to you, buddy, off and on about a year ago on the internet.
02:55:07.000And I picked up a paper today, and I'm reading, I just want to pass this on to you.
02:55:11.000Very, in like section three of the Virginian Pilot down here, There's an announcement that 2,200 Marines are going to be conducting an urban combat training exercise.
02:55:23.000They're doing them from Tennessee to Texas, from Alabama to Virginia.
02:55:27.000Right now it's going to go on Arkansas, and they train to take over your cities, and it's to condition you.
02:55:33.000And the quote in here, there's a quote from the colonel that says, we're hoping to be as transparent as possible.
02:55:42.000Yeah, they'll be in plain clothes too, bro.