In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, Alex Jones talks to Dara Jamal and Alana Gonzalez about the CIA spying on the American people, genetic engineering, nuclear weapons and super weapons, and the dark side of the New World Order.
00:00:32.000One of them is Dara Jamal, an American.
00:00:35.000Who has been all over Iraq and other areas of the Middle East covering the war at Unembedded Reporter.
00:00:40.000He's scheduled for the second hour and another interesting guest coming up in the third hour.
00:00:45.000We'll tell you about a little bit later.
00:00:46.000In this hour, I want to get into all the day's news, the important information and different developments.
00:00:52.000But I also want to spend some time on What the scientific community and what governments are up to with genetic engineering, with nuclear energy and weapons, and what's going on with superweapons like antimatter bombs.
00:01:12.000Because many of these different sectors of research, their own top scientists admit, ...are uncontrolled and could easily cause massive calamities, including the complete destruction of the planet, and yes, even the solar system.
00:01:32.000Just a few particles of antimatter can easily be billions of times, the words are 10 billion times stronger, than the largest hydrogen bombs.
00:01:47.000And the government is openly testing and colliding and manipulating these, admitting that the mathematics shows a probability of mega explosions.
00:01:59.000And this goes to the heart of the insanity of the New World Order.
00:02:07.000They are introducing algaes and bacteria that have been engineered.
00:02:12.000They are causing already major problems with the global biosphere.
00:02:17.000They are engaging in cross-species New organism developments that admittedly can give rise to super viruses and super bacteria and have done so.
00:02:30.000And that's just when these private and public and governmental laboratories admit to what they've done.
00:02:35.000So I want to spend 10-15 minutes on this in this hour.
00:02:39.000As calmly as I can I want to go over it and I want to try to make this a major focus of what we do here because really no one else that I know of is spending any time on it or concerned about it.
00:02:49.000People love mythical Planet X's and they love mythical Patriot mythology and things that are conspiracy theories and can't be proven.
00:03:00.000In fact, a lot of people love to talk about imaginary concentration camps, and that they never want to talk about evidence.
00:03:05.000It's always what their cousins, brothers, nephews, neighbor heard somebody who saw it, maybe thought they could have.
00:03:11.000And then it's in major newspapers or building camps, and people tend to kind of disassociate psychologically and divert themselves away from real things.
00:03:21.000You know, if you've got video of Senate hearings where they're admitting it, oh, that's not a major story, but it'll go around the Internet for ten years, some rumor.
00:03:29.000Well, let the rumors end and the documentation begin.
00:03:34.000And let me assure you, it is very, very serious, and I intend to write some articles about this in the next few days.
00:03:41.000I've talked about it some in the past, but I've really dropped the ball on this subject, and so we're not going to do that.
00:03:46.000We're not going to do that today, and I'd like to get you the listener's take on the things that I talk about, and of course you can add any of your interesting points to it.
00:03:54.000I'm always amazed by the incredible intelligence and Ideas that you, the listeners, have.
00:04:03.000The websites are InfoWars.com, PrisonPlanet.com, PrisonPlanet.tv, and InfoWars.net.
00:04:09.000We're about to develop some of the other websites that have lain dormant, like JonesReport.com and others here in the near future.
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00:04:24.000I'm going to have issue driven websites that cover what I think are the most important facets of mass poisoning of the population and developments that could easily kill all human life or all life itself on this globe.
00:04:39.000I believe Jones reports in the near future we're going to develop that and turn it into a site mainly dealing with extinction issues.
00:04:48.000I also have three audio clips we'll be playing.
00:04:50.000Lou Dobbs has been told to shut up about the UAE deal.
00:04:53.000More on the NSA situation with the spying.
00:04:56.000And a little parody piece about Alberto Gonzalez.
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00:09:16.000It's as if they had Alex Jones on there.
00:09:19.000In my films, like Road to Tyranny and others, we talked about the public fact that in 1996, 9 billion plus dollars, I say 9 billion plus because I don't remember, it's 9 plus, 9 billion something, it was supposed to be 5 billion but it went over.
00:09:37.000And I remember reading in industry publications, because that's what I mainly read, that oh yes, the major telecommunications companies, that all of the digital systems go through, the satellites, the internet, even landlines that are on copper wires are then digitized on the other end.
00:10:49.000See, if they want to use us on a daily basis against all of us, for all crime and taxes and everything else, they've got to go ahead and condition us.
00:10:56.000Oh, it's just when bin Laden calls America.
00:11:01.000And part of this plan, it's also in mainstream news today, is the fact that every cell phone in America, by law, sold, every new phone sold it for $2,001 by federal law.
00:11:20.000Now they really work down to about 3 feet, but the federal law is 15 feet with a GPS tracker switch in it.
00:11:26.000Now there isn't a GPS itself, it's a GPS tracker locator device that is triangulated by the cell tower systems down by federal law to 15 feet.
00:11:37.000And then now they offer it as a service.
00:11:39.000I told the story how I was up at a funeral a few months ago up in Fort Worth, Texas and we're supposed to be there early and we're lost because my dad and I went to the art museum beforehand And we were going to be pallbearers, and so my dad says, I heard my new phone has a service where they can tell me where I'm at.
00:11:58.000And he calls up, and he says, well, and they say, where are you?
00:12:03.000He has his own speakerphone in the car.
00:12:28.000And so, this grid is admittedly Pentagon designed, and they brag in industry publications that they are going to control the American people with it.
00:12:39.000That's the backdrop, the excuse, the pretext.
00:12:42.000So, we debate the Pentagon watching people and soldiers on the ground, and we debate NSA spying, but they only debate a shaving of the top of the iceberg.
00:12:52.000Just a shaving of the tip, not even the tip.
00:12:55.000And then, even with that, the majority of Americans in major polls don't like it.
00:13:00.000When they pose the question like, well, if Bin Laden's calling America trying to kill you, is it okay if it stops a terror attack to listen to some calls?
00:13:08.000And then over half say, no, it's not okay.
00:13:11.000I mean, imagine if you said, hey, everything you're doing is being tracked and traced through private corporations by the U.S.
00:13:26.000So, we're trying to get a real debate going here.
00:13:29.000So, coming up later, I'm going to play excerpts of this, where they just admit it all.
00:13:36.000But they still try to spin it and say, oh, well, these NSA hubs, yeah, they're in control of everything, but it's just to hear the foreign phone calls.
00:14:31.000At this major university, the university stole people's houses without just compensation to do it.
00:14:36.000So talk about Supreme Court rulings and Bush claiming he's pro-property rights when it says seven of the nine members are Republicans on the Supreme Court and it was Democrats voting against it.
00:14:47.000Again, I'm not defending the Democrats.
00:14:48.000It's just George Bush is no conservative.
00:14:52.000But before I get to any of that, let's play this little parody piece.
00:14:55.000It's a little cartoon that we have up about the new law firm that Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez is going to be running.
00:15:01.000And of course, it isn't as funny without the actual cartoon, but it's still pretty interesting.
00:15:05.000And I guess all humor that's good is based on reality, because everything they're saying in this little cartoon is really happening.
00:15:13.000The firm of Gonzalez, Watch You and How, is here to help.
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00:15:35.000If your opponents dare question your actions, I will charge that they are complicit with terrorists and are encouraging widespread personal injury.
00:15:45.000Gonzales Watch You and How will vigorously pursue any individuals who would divulge your extra-constitutional affairs.
00:16:45.000That's up on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com right now.
00:16:49.000Let's go ahead and roll this piece a lot more serious with Lou Dobbs talking about how they're trying to muzzle him, talking about the UAE.
00:16:57.000Hey Lou, just go be a neocon like Rush Limbaugh and you can get $287 million.
00:17:04.000A rather astonishing new attempt to silence me and our coverage of this Ports deal and our reporting of what at least I consider to be legitimate national security concerns about this transaction.
00:17:17.000Dubai Ports World has actually refused to grant CNN any more interviews from Washington or London and it's refused to allow CNN to videotape its operations in the United Arab Emirates and Hong Kong If we were to show you the video on this broadcast.
00:17:36.000This is not the first time that Dubai Portsworld has tried to silence me.
00:17:40.000Last week, a spokesman for the public relations firm that represents the company, Mark Dennis, declared, CNN won't shut up Lou Dobbs.
00:17:47.000And as a result, they weren't going to cooperate.
00:17:50.000Well, let me assure you that this latest attempt to silence our reporting and to explore the national security interests, just like their last effort, won't succeed.
00:17:59.000CNN's management, to its great credit, says it won't comply with any of DubaiPort's world's demands.
00:18:04.000And I'll guarantee you that we're going to continue to report on the facts of this deal.
00:18:09.000We're going to continue to analyze it.
00:18:11.000We're going to continue to absolutely scrutinize our elected officials and administration officials Who, in some cases, are not being straightforward about the national security interests and the reasons motivating this deal.
00:19:22.000He wants to be able to tell the truth.
00:19:23.000They know it'll give them an audience, so the mainstream media is losing such a market share that they found they have to put people like Dobbs and Oberman on to just keep any viewers.
00:19:33.000And, in fact, I've talked to a lot of people high up in the industry.
00:19:43.000Alternative media is exploding on a thousand fronts, and they're imploding, unless they're doing real reporting, at least to some extent, like Lou Dobbs.
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00:24:07.000I I was talking about how Oberman and Dobbs and others try to get credibility by reporting on serious issues.
00:24:16.000And I said that I trust Dobbs more than I trust Oberman, though I think Oberman obviously is very talented.
00:24:21.000And Jeff Rentz says he knows him, says he's a nice guy, but to make a long story short, Remember how Anderson Cooper during the flooding was throwing fits and getting mad and saying the government was screwing up and he was angry?
00:24:33.000It turns out that CNN memos were released, and again it was in the mainstream news a month after, that they told him to do that and that was all staged to try to gain credibility.
00:24:45.000Because after he got everybody angry, after a few days of griping, suddenly everybody else on Fox and other channels, not just CNN, started doing the same thing.
00:24:53.000But then they'd say, FEMA needs more power.
00:24:55.000You see, they'll tell you the truth about the problems and then give you a bad solution.
00:24:59.000FEMA already had the power and blocked the aid, so when they, quote, screwed up, they get even more funding.
00:25:04.000So, this is the type of stuff they're doing, hanging on by their fingernails, trying to maintain some semblance of credibility.
00:25:13.000That's why more and more, you know, major mainstream radio shows around the country are bringing the truth out.
00:26:46.000If anybody would just go to the industry publications on what happened in 96, you can read mainstream publications admitting that the NSA is literally running the digital hubs at all the major phone companies and telecommunications companies.
00:27:17.000Enter James Risen, who wrote the story first for the New York Times and then his book about the NSA, the National Security Agency, eavesdropping in America, picking up phone calls from here to overseas, trying to help in the war on terror.
00:27:34.000What kind of technology is used to do that?
00:27:38.000Well, we only really, most of what the NSA program that we've written about is still highly classified and we only really have the outlines of the technical side of it.
00:27:49.000But what we do know is that the, what the NSA has done is gotten the approval and authorization from President Bush and the acceptance of some of the major telecommunications companies that Bob was talking about to access the major switches that are kind of the gateways and the hubs between the domestic telecommunications system and the international telecommunications system.
00:28:16.000Essentially, as I understand it, there are a series of major gateways along the borders of the US telephone system That are kind of the entry and exit for the major fiber optics lines going in and out of the country, both for email and for telephone, cell phone, everything.
00:28:37.000And that basically as communications come in and out of this country, they have to go through major hubs, gateways, switches.
00:28:46.000And it's at that point that the NSA has gotten back doors from these major telecommunications companies to basically vacuum up Things going in and out of there.
00:29:04.000It is admitted that they paid $9 billion to literally put in the computer systems in the late 90s, starting in 96, And then it was to be finished by law October 1st, 2001 in all telecommunications hubs, in all the switching centers.
00:29:21.000The government has agents and technicians under federal law sitting inside the phone companies.
00:29:29.000But this is the most I've ever heard them on national TV admit to it.
00:29:34.000It's a very small part of it, the international communications, but see, they're limiting it to that in this discussion because they've been told that domestic activities are classified and they'll be arrested if they talk about it.
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00:33:58.000See, it's just slowly being brought out.
00:34:01.000First we'll bring out a little teeny bit of it, have a debate about that, try to convince you, and then bring in more and more.
00:34:08.000It's amazing, but as they reveal more of themselves, our credibility explodes, because we've been here for a long, long time, detailing all of this, and a lot of the general public who wouldn't listen to us, wouldn't check out our claims, wouldn't check out what we posted, wouldn't look at our facts, wouldn't watch our films, they just, all that ain't true, now they're hearing it on their nightly news, with the spin that it's all wonderful, of course, but they're starting to go, wait a minute, I heard that Alex Jones, I heard others talk about this.
00:34:34.000Let's play a few more minutes of this whitewash.
00:34:37.000Oh, it sounds real hardcore, but it's a whitewash by Russert.
00:34:39.000It's a long weekend show that he does.
00:34:41.000It's a more extended show, not Meet the Press, but the other one he does on CNBC, the Tim Russert Show.
00:35:09.000And the question that we still are wrestling with to understand this program, there seems to be two major aspects of it.
00:35:16.000One is actual eavesdropping on individuals, on their communications, both email and telephone, going through those.
00:35:24.000There also seems to be large data mining operations being conducted by NSA into this bloodstream of the telecommunications network.
00:35:34.000It seems that those two operations may be separate but parallel.
00:35:39.000In other words, that they're both doing this warrantless eavesdropping on individuals at the same time they're doing this larger data mining operation looking for patterns of telephone and email usage and behavior.
00:35:53.000So when you say data mining, they have a name and they keep trying to find out how that person is behaving.
00:36:00.000Well, the possibilities for the way you could do it would be very extensive.
00:36:05.000You could look for anybody using the word Jihad, for instance, or Osama Bin Laden.
00:36:12.000In their communications, in their email, in their telephone calls.
00:36:15.000And you could then look for patterns of people using that.
00:36:53.000Many people recall that President Eisenhower warned about something called the Military Industrial Complex when he left the White House in 1961.
00:37:02.000And it was a powerful message that he wanted to leave with the American people that the military machinery, the industrial machinery that was protecting us or helping to protect us during the Cold War and the military bureaucracy had very strong ties.
00:37:18.000And he warned that those strong ties were developing and strengthening in secret, outside public scrutiny and outside public accountability.
00:37:27.000And he said that those relationships and that new power Threatened our values our American values of democracy and openness security industrial complex is I'm trying to echo Eisenhower's warning in the sense that there now is a security industrial complex and the ties between the information industries, which are the computer suppliers, the network builders, and the information companies, and the government to protect us.
00:37:56.000And there's no question that we not only can that benefit, but we have to use information technology well in this new world.
00:38:04.000Uh, and there's tremendous benefits, but I think what I've documented pretty well, uh, in a sense is that a lot of this is happening behind the cloak of secrecy.
00:38:15.000And it's, it's way beyond our understanding and our laws and regulations.
00:38:20.000And from an old-fashioned journalistic perspective, I find that unacceptable.
00:38:24.000And I think many Americans will too when they come to understand.
00:38:27.000Alright, so, and we have time later in the third hour, I'll play a few more minutes of it, so try to pause it there and keep it at that point, because that's about eight minutes in.
00:38:34.000You can watch the whole 24-minute clip up on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com right now.
00:38:40.000So, I wrote some notes listening to this.
00:38:45.000Number one, they're the supposed whistleblowers.
00:38:49.000Notice how they narrow the spectrum of debate.
00:38:52.000They're saying, oh, this is good, oh, we need this, oh, keep us safe, oh, we need to look at this, oh, but this is a little secret and a little bit dangerous, and oh, this is just for overseas, and this is just for, and they're working with private companies, and this is, number one, most of what the National Security Agency does, according to the really scholarly reports that have been done in the last few decades, is economic espionage.
00:39:16.000Let's say you own a small American computer company with maybe a thousand employees.
00:39:22.000And you're developing new computer software, new circuits, new microprocessors.
00:39:27.000Let's say you're developing a new biotech development.
00:39:32.000Let's say anything that's technological, industrial.
00:39:36.000The NSA, especially if you're a successful company, but you're not on the inner circle of the New World Order, doesn't just have the computers listening to every word, reading every email, and they have computers that do that, reading every fax.
00:39:52.000You have, in some cases, dozens and dozens of employees who also dually work for corporations.
00:39:59.000People work for private corporations that compete against you, and they work at NSA, and the NSA on secure computers and servers and private Networks, hardwired in.
00:40:08.000They're in there viewing everything you're doing, looking at your diagrams.
00:40:11.000They know more about your business than you do.
00:40:13.000And then they take that and give that to select companies, select corporations, Carlyle Group, IBM, many others.
00:40:19.000And then those are then taken to client states, Japan, China, India, and developed basically by the slave labor populations at the factory level and by people being paid about a third as much as their actual software engineers and electrical engineers.
00:40:34.000And so, again, this is the so-called free market.
00:40:36.000It's our own government, which is globalist, giving this to select globalist corporations to affect a monopoly or an oligopoly of information.
00:40:47.000If they start, as one NSA connection told me, if for a few months they keep hearing people just grassroots keep talking about strawberries, strawberries, strawberries, strawberries, that will then be passed on to certain corporations involved in food, ConAgra, others, Archer Daniels Midland, others, about, oh, there's a big trend towards strawberries.
00:41:03.000Or let's say that they pick up on the trend that some particular new type of audio pod or MP3 player is more popular and that people want a certain thing, there are then data summaries sent just on marketing.
00:41:20.000And then the government will say, well, private industry is already spying on everything you do, tracking, data mining, why can't the government?
00:41:30.000They share and sell the data to each other, and you'll have a former NSA officer, a former defense intelligence officer, a former congressman retires, and he goes and heads up a new security company.
00:41:41.000Based in Dallas, the one example in USA Today, that then makes hundreds of millions of dollars a year, going and hooking in hubs into the major, say, pizza chains, is one example, and then instantly uploading that data and selling it to local police departments around the country.
00:41:56.000You know, what are you talking about, Alex?
00:41:59.000It was a headline, what, two years ago now, that I've talked a lot about, just one example of literally hundreds Scott Laws caught when ordering pizza, I believe was the exact headline, and it said that the major pizza chains in America, and this is one example of retail sales,
00:42:16.000That because people who may have warrants, or people who don't even have forgotten they have a warrant, haven't paid a ticket, or are actual hardened criminals, when they call to get a pizza, they don't suspect, and they've got to give their real name, they've got to give the real address of the credit card, they find out where you're living, staying with a buddy, shacking up, whatever, you know, staying in somebody else's apartment, and that it's instantly flagged.
00:42:41.000When they're taking your data down with the major pizza chains, It is instantly logged into this private company in Dallas, who then, by the way, gets paid 20% of all court fees and filings on top of another fee just for the law enforcement agency, state, federal, and local, that subscribe to it.
00:43:00.000It's just the NSA and even local governments in this seamless interface and then they add the carrot to the carrot and stick equation because they then make hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:43:13.000This is one company doing this just through food delivery companies, i.e.
00:43:22.000So you think you're living in a free country, folks.
00:43:23.000Every time you call one of the major pizza national chains, there's four of them, Every time you call one of those national chains, it is instantly uploaded to federal, state, and local computers, but through the nexus port of a private company that got around the federal laws by contracting itself with the private pizza companies.
00:43:54.000And in reality, it's when you're ordering a pizza.
00:43:56.000And then you say, well, I don't think... Hi, the point is the government throughout history is more criminal than any other organization, any other crime syndicate, any other individual or group.
00:44:05.000So they're the ones that have got to be restricted, controlled, and watched.
00:44:52.000They just are now incrementally announcing it.
00:44:55.000Oh, to track traffic, we're going to track your cell phone by name just to see how the cars are moving.
00:45:01.000Oh, we put the cameras in for traffic.
00:45:03.000Oh, but now it's going to be for anti-terror and anti-crime.
00:45:06.000Oh, we put up those big signs and the locals take over the radio and the feds take over the radio for Amber Alerts, but now it's going to be anti-gun messages taking hours and hours a week of radio programming randomly away from the stations with government break-ins.
00:45:20.000See, this is the seamless web of control.
00:45:25.000And there are hundreds of other points.
00:45:26.000In the interest of time, I've got to stop right there.
00:45:27.000I've got to stop right there, because guests are coming up.
00:45:29.000We're not even taking calls this hour, because I'm too busy covering news.
00:45:59.000Two years ago, I was sent an email, and there was a San Francisco Chronicle article with a link to the Federation of American Scientists, where top scientists were saying, That there are antimatter bombs that have already been created after capturing these particles, that just a few particles of it are billions of times more powerful than the most destructive nuclear weapons.
00:46:25.000And it was funny, I was on a radio show last night, I was being interviewed by Jeff Rents and I just mentioned it, and I thought I'll type it in Google, because it had disappeared.
00:46:33.000Not a retraction, just they disappeared.
00:46:35.000I looked for it, Paul Watson had looked for it, we were going to write an article about it.
00:46:38.000Well suddenly it was back up last night, but the article had been changed.
00:46:43.000The article had been changed, San Francisco Chronicle, Air Force pursuing antimatter weapons program was touted, and then it says that later reporting on it was quote, banned.
00:46:52.000And we posted that up on Infowars.com.
00:46:55.000And I have another little article here.
00:46:57.000This is just today out of Wired Magazine.
00:47:10.000And they're just going to release them in the environment.
00:47:13.000Because they can, quote, get a power source out of it.
00:47:15.000You see, when you mess with bottom-of-the-food-chain algaes, fungi, bacteria, animal bacteria, plant bacteria, when you start messing with this, you mess with the foundation.
00:47:28.000And there are top scientists warning, people who are genetic engineers, experts on this, that this is insane!
00:47:34.000An example of it from 15 years ago is that oil-eating bacteria, now showing it can cause problems.
00:47:43.000There are thousands of companies randomly splicing and dicing cross-species bugs with human genes, pigs with human genes, plants with bug genes, and then the plants are jumping into other plants.
00:47:56.000And it's creating life forms and combinations that never existed before.
00:48:00.000And then it's able to bridge the gap, because their genetic code has been broken open, to where it is now diseasing the other base genetic systems.
00:48:09.000And the top scientists, even people that run these companies, quit and go, it's insane, all the rats we feed this to die, but we're feeding it to the population.
00:48:16.000It's insane, it's giving rise to super viruses, it's classified, I can't talk about it.
00:48:20.000They admittedly, in the US, have two bacterium on the shelf, that admittedly will kill the entire biosphere.
00:48:26.000If they release them, it eats everything.
00:48:50.000It's just like the article a couple days ago out of the big Delaware paper where they're going to dump hundreds of millions, yes, hundreds of millions of gallons of diluted nerve toxin, nerve agent, chemical weapons right into the ocean.
00:49:04.000And I say, hey, what's the big deal with that?
00:49:06.000We had the article a few months ago, admitted the U.S.
00:49:08.000government dumped hundreds of millions of gallons of pure nerve gas directly into the Atlantic Ocean right off the shore.
00:49:16.000They dumped hundreds and hundreds of submarine nuclear reactors right off the California coast.
00:49:30.000This is the International Atomic Energy Agency's own numbers.
00:49:33.000The thousands and thousands of tons of DU that have been used just in the latest Gulf War, tripling what they used in 1991, is the equivalent of 400,000 Nagasaki bombs.
00:49:45.000It's the exact same stuff, Poisonous, radioactive.
00:49:49.000The detectors all over are picking this up every time they use it.
00:50:26.000Why are you... Meanwhile, the environmentalists are running around going, we've just got to get the farmers and ranchers' property off limits so they can't plant crops because they're killing the earth.
00:50:33.000And then their Rockefeller Foundation fund had just used to steal private property from the citizens.
00:50:38.000So, and the environmentalists are running around bumping into each other all, we're so good, we're so loving, don't let them build shopping malls and kill the earth!
00:50:47.000Meanwhile, oh, let's just release a fungus that can take over.
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00:54:17.000Talk about the bombing of that shrine and a lot more.
00:54:20.000Before we do that, listen, I'm not kidding about these anti-matter bombs.
00:54:28.000They built all these anti-matter traps.
00:54:30.000around the world, deep underground, they found they tend to slow down, I forget, a couple miles under the earth, and they've got these underground facilities that catch them.
00:54:39.000They also use superconducting supercolliders to accelerate them.
00:54:42.000And I remember when they were going to build the South Texas or the Texas Superconducting Supercollider.
00:54:47.000It's not South, it's North Texas Superconducting Supercollider.
00:54:50.000Top scientists, physicists, I mean, major prize winners were saying, listen, you start accelerating those, our mathematics show there is a high probability that it's going to cause an explosion that would easily vaporize the earth, even the sun, the entire solar system.
00:55:45.000It says, Let me find the actual quote.
00:55:49.000The energy from colliding postatrons and anti-electrons is ten million times that of high explosive, Edwards explained in his March speech.
00:55:59.000Moreover, one gram of antimatter, about one twenty-fifth of an ounce, would equal twenty-three space shuttle fuel tanks of energy.
00:56:07.000Thus, postatron energy conversion, as he called it, would be a revolutionary energy source of interest to those who wage war.
00:56:15.000And it could be trillions of times more powerful.
00:56:19.000The amount that is used in a hydrogen bomb, if you had that, a much smaller amount of antimatter and detonated it.
00:57:23.000You know, you're sitting there one day making omelets one morning and you don't even feel the heat of the blast on your cheek as you and your family are vaporized and the entire solar system disappears.
00:57:42.000I mean, what is the psychology of individuals and people that do this?
00:57:47.000So we've got to have a world government to stop people like Iran getting A-bombs.
00:57:50.000I mean tinker toys compared to antimatter weapons and genetic engineering and the chimera cross-species and all the things that we know are happening.
00:58:00.000These nuts are just, are just doing, it's like sticking your finger in a life socket to see what's going to happen.
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00:59:21.000One of the bravest people we've We've been studying who's been over there seeing just amazing things will be joining us coming up in the next segment then coming up in the third hour we have John Sharp And he is, of course, the publisher of Neocon Neocon.
00:59:39.000Again, he's got a lot to talk about with the New World Order with us.
00:59:42.000More developments on the port situation.
00:59:43.000More developments on the Iran situation.
00:59:45.000A lot of police state news I want to get into today.
00:59:48.000But right now, let's go to your calls.
01:00:54.000Oh, listen, I'm not going to sit in Congress and pass a law that lets the government point a camera and a microphone at anything they damn well please.
01:01:10.000But it's just interesting because it has a lot to... I mean, Bruckheimer puts a lot... In that film, whenever the computer comes up inside their safe house, the former NSA guy has to live in a wire cage just to do secure communications.
01:02:21.000We've got Dar Jamal coming up here in just a moment.
01:02:25.000But yeah, I mean, they come out and say, oh, all the big phone companies have NSA hooked into the, quote, switches and the hubs.
01:02:33.000Yes, that was past federal law, federal funding in 1996, and I was an evil right-winger when I criticized Bill Clinton for doing it, and now Bush is doing it, and I'm an evil liberal, evil... No, I'm a constitutionalist.
01:02:52.000I'm against Clinton handing over ports to the Communist Chinese.
01:02:54.000I'm against Bush handing it over to the UAE, because it's a sweetheart deal and the federal laws weren't followed, and because people inside his administration have engaged in federal crimes, taking money from the very company, and then sitting on the boards that signed off on it.
01:03:07.000And that's the rest of the story on that.
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01:03:12.000We wrote some big articles about that, Paul and I did yesterday.
01:03:26.000Darja Maul's Iraq Dispatches have been read by tens of millions.
01:03:30.000They've been syndicated all over the exploding alternative media and even some mainstream media.
01:03:34.000And so we'll talk to him and then we'll also get his take on who benefits from the very mysterious shrine, the Golden Shrine, being blown up.
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01:07:16.000Wary of the overall failure of the U.S.
01:07:19.000media to accurately report on the realities of the war in Iraq for the Iraqi people and U.S.
01:07:24.000soldiers, Dar Jamal went to Iraq to report on the war itself.
01:07:28.000His dispatches were quickly recognized as an important media resource and he is now writing for the Interpress Service, the Asia Times, and many other outlets.
01:07:36.000His reports have also been published with The Nation, The Sunday Herald, Islam Online, The Guardian, and The Independent, to name just a few.
01:07:43.000DAR's dispatches are hard news stories have been translated into French, Polish, German, Dutch, Spanish, Japanese, Portuguese, Chinese, Arabic, and Turkish on radio as well as television.
01:07:57.000DAR reports for Democracy Now!, the BBC, and numerous other stations around the globe.
01:08:02.000DAR is also a special correspondent for Flashpoints.
01:08:05.000DAR has spent a total of eight months in occupied Iraq as one of only a few independent journalists in the country.
01:08:12.000Dar uses the DarJamalIraq.com website for his popular mailing list to disseminate his dispatches.
01:08:19.000And he joins us to talk about who benefits from the shocking destruction last week of the shrine in Iraq.
01:08:26.000And he joins us to talk about the mass murder and the wickedness that he's witnessed and his take on 9-11.
01:08:30.000I've heard him on other shows here on the network and he is spot on.
01:08:34.000And I really admire people like Dar who have unbelievable courage to go over to Iraq and to risk their lives to bring us real news.
01:08:43.000Because on the eve of the war, and we have mainstream articles on this, Very proud of it, The Globalist Star.
01:08:48.000They said, we're going to kill reporters that quote, give out intel that could hurt us, or that get in our way, or that are imbedged.
01:08:53.000And they pulled tanks up in front of the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad and fired with the Abrams in it, blowing up the Reuters reporters.
01:08:59.000I mean, they drive up the Reuters reporters and machine gun them.
01:09:02.000They drive around just murdering people.
01:09:09.000It's just like in 1991, they bombed all the water treatment and power plants.
01:09:12.000It all breaks every convention of international and federal law, but the globalists in control of our government, these imperial builders, these empire builders, They are saying they are the law.
01:09:24.000And they say they can torture small children in front of their parents.
01:10:02.000This is America and we're all not these little creatures that sit in their easy chairs watching ball games, sucking their thumbs, drinking slitsmalt liquor.
01:10:16.000We don't want to be part of an evil empire.
01:10:18.000We don't want our blood and treasure and our young people to be used in these nuclear battlefields filled with DU for this sick empire of a bunch of pathetic chicken hunks.
01:10:34.000Tell us a little bit about yourself and let's just go through kind of a thumbnail chronicle of when you first went to Iraq and what you witnessed there and the reality of the planned, admitted genocide, the destruction of the oldest civilization on the planet.
01:10:52.000Discussed in your lead, I was watching the media coverage of the situation in Iraq and the mainstream media back here in the U.S., and then comparing that to what I was reading via the Internet in foreign news sources and alternative media, and it was as if I was watching two totally different situations.
01:11:08.000And I saw this coverage widen, the gap in the reality I saw over there versus how it was being portrayed over here.
01:12:05.000Now it's admitted that almost every newspaper in the country, that the articles are actually written in New York and in D.C.
01:12:12.000by publicity firms and PR firms using folks that can write in Arabic and understand the culture.
01:12:19.000Turns out that it's a Pentagon fraud and that reporters who don't tell the line are given 30 years in prison by the new dictatorship they've set up over there.
01:12:29.000It's something that was, you know, not only has this been an invasion of Iraq by the military, but it's been an information control situation which started right at the very beginning during the invasion and goes on up to this day.
01:12:43.000Just to give you an idea, the U.S.-backed puppet government during the time of the November 2004 siege of Fallujah, Yedolawi, the then Prime Minister, who is of course CIA also, Actually issued a statement to the media that said the media is instructed to follow the government line on the invasion of Fallujah or face serious consequences.
01:13:07.000I mean, he reported that in Baghdad just as that siege was launched.
01:13:12.000So that, coupled with direct violent attacks, as you mentioned, which happened during the invasion and which continue to happen right up until this present moment, On reporters who try to get the truth out that this is really draconian measures being taken to control information coming out of Iraq.
01:13:32.000And then they had a chief UN investigator was there and he said, and this just came out last week, it was in foreign press but never in the mainstream news here, that a thousand plus people a month are being grabbed and tortured to death.
01:13:45.000The Army's own documents admit that 75 to 90 percent of those picked up are families who didn't have their papers in order.
01:13:51.000They are taken, the children are raped in front of their parents by I mean, that's... and then John Yoo, White House lawyer, says, yes, we're allowed to do this, and he's questioned about it at a CFR meeting, and on tape he says, yes, we're allowed to do this.
01:14:06.000You know, hearing this sort of thing, along with testimonies from former UK Ambassador Craig Murray, the ambassador to Uzbekistan, talking about how the CIA is renditioning people there and boiling them alive on top of what we're witnessing in Iraq, where over a thousand people have been killed since the bombing of the Asghariyah Shrine in Samarra, I just really continue to wonder how much more Will it take?
01:14:33.000What else do people need to see before they're willing to take the actions necessary to get back control of their government and what's happening in this country?
01:14:41.000Because we have people being tortured, sent abroad, all of our phone calls, emails, credit card purchases, everything, our knowledge of the government now.
01:14:53.000I just really wonder how much more it's going to take because we, at present circumstances, we have two more years of this to go.
01:15:01.000Well, Dar, the bigger problem is the Democrats are lockstep, the leadership, with this, and some of them are even more hawkish, like Lieberman and Hillary and Schumer and others.
01:15:11.000Yeah, the Democrats are... the solution certainly does not lie with the Democrats, that's for sure.
01:15:29.000Yeah, you know, it's funny, this never happens except when I'm doing a particular interview with somebody who's been back for Iraq.
01:15:35.000I'm here in Austin, they're up in Minnesota, and just for some reason our digital connection just cut out for a moment, so I apologize.
01:15:43.000Chronicle for us, I mean, go over some of the horrors that you've witnessed, that you've documented for the international press, even things like the BBC that we never hear about here unless it's on your news website.
01:15:55.000Well, for example, some of the things that you were just mentioning, we have the deliberate targeting of journalists going on over there.
01:16:04.000I think one of the most obvious examples, just off the top of my head though, is what happened when I went into Fallujah in April of 2004 during that siege.
01:16:14.000By the US military and I decided to go in on April 9th Which was a day if you looked at the mainstream media in the US It was reported as a ceasefire that a ceasefire had been declared by the military to try to get negotiations going with the Resistance fighters in the city and to allow more civilians to come out so I decided well I knew it would be dangerous, but I'll at least go in on a ceasefire when I went in I What I saw was U.S.
01:16:39.000warplanes dropping bombs in the middle of the city, helicopters strafing and sporadic fighting all over the place.
01:16:48.000I got in on a bus carrying humanitarian supplies to a small clinic, and what I saw at this clinic was one person after another, mostly women and children, being brought in from different parts of the city at different times, all saying the same thing, that they were being shot by U.S.
01:17:03.000military snipers, a practice which now everyone in Iraq knows is common practice by the U.S.
01:17:08.000military anytime they launch a major operation.
01:17:11.000They're using snipers very heavily right now in Samarra and especially in Ramadi.
01:17:16.000But that's what I saw inside Fallujah and how it was reported in the mainstream media back here was that Fallujah is a town of terrorists.
01:17:28.000They'd rather just basically pay attention and be run to criminals and terrorists.
01:17:34.000And the reality was It was a city of people that did not want to be occupied and the majority of the people fighting in that city were people from that city and of course most of the civilians were paying the heaviest price there during that siege and then of course later on in the November siege.
01:17:51.000And at the same time, I mean, even before foliage, I remember articles in London Independent, two and a half years ago, where they're there with Marines, going, watch me shoot this bitch, excuse me, using that term, and they blow a woman's head off, walking with a three-year-old, holding her hand, and she falls away, you know, and the child starts crying, just weirdo sickos, just shooting women, because it's fun.
01:18:13.000Well, there certainly was a lot of that, and I think, you know, every soldier responsible for doing things like that, and I did, like, one soldier I ran into coming out of Fallujah in April said, basically described it as a turkey shoot, and I think all of those individuals should be held to account, but I think, of course, we have to go on up the chain of command to who put them in this position, who allowed this to happen to begin with, and, of course, this goes directly up to the Commander-in-Chief.
01:18:39.000Well, Darjahmal, combat reporter in the middle of it.
01:18:42.000Eight months inside the occupation inside Fallujah while it was being attacked.
01:18:47.000We'll talk about it more when we get back.
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01:23:13.000I want listeners to understand that when we tune in and hear neocons giggling and laughing, let's turn the whole Middle East into a parking lot, I'd like them to go look at those children in the eyes and realize that Iraq was supposedly our ally and was set up for a fall.
01:23:27.000And that when the minions of this system, you know, giggle about shooting children, this is really going on.
01:23:33.000In fact, in front of a whole bunch of reporters in Baghdad, they just shot a bunch of little kids.
01:23:38.000About a year and a half ago, and the reporters said to the Marines, how do you kill children?
01:23:44.000I want to kill more, and started going, oh, oh, oh!
01:23:47.000The Marines didn't act like that 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 50 years ago, 200 years ago, when we fought the British.
01:24:31.000You're exactly right, and I think just first of all, lining out, I think it's always important to line out how many Iraqis have actually been killed, and of course this is not a big surprise when we look at this in the context of history, that all imperial invasions are brutal.
01:24:47.000Civilians always pay the highest price, and this one is no different from that.
01:24:51.000And if we talk about how many innocent Iraqis have been killed, the Lancet report which came out over a year ago estimated conservatively 98,000.
01:25:01.000And I argue that that's far too low for three main reasons.
01:25:04.000One, it's well over a year out of date.
01:25:06.000Two, so as not to skew the survey, they did not include areas of major combat operations, like the Fallujahs and the Najafs.
01:25:13.000That's thousands of deaths right there.
01:25:15.000And then three, and I think most importantly, is what they used for the baseline of this study was the last year and a half of the sanctions.
01:25:23.000The sanctions were over a million Iraqis were killed.
01:25:26.000That, coupled with, we look at the carnage going on right now, which just continues to escalate, today is no exception, with at least 30 people killed, very conservatively.
01:25:36.000I think it can easily be argued that there's been a quarter of a million Iraqis killed just since the invasion was launched, not even talking about the sanctions, where over a million were killed.
01:25:46.000So, when we look at it in that context, the fact that soldiers come in, they've been essentially given the green light from the top down, from chicken hawks like George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld, that trickles down, of course, through the chain of command, and they essentially then are acting on those impulses.
01:26:04.000Looking at it that way, it's really not a big surprise, and I think that is a trend that is continuing in Iraq today, and will continue on as long as the occupation persists.
01:26:16.000On NBC in 1997, Madeleine Albright was asked if 700,000 dead Iraqi children was a good price to pay.
01:26:52.000It really is, and I don't think it's a stretch at all to describe it as such.
01:26:56.000Especially, you made a very important point earlier, talking about the deliberate targeting of the infrastructure of the electrical plants, of the water treatment plants, back in 1991.
01:27:06.000Iraq was almost a first world nation in 1990.
01:27:10.000It was, in fact, that Iraq was such, their health system, just to give you an idea, during the 80's, What's the best health system in the entire Middle East?
01:27:18.000Anyone could go in and get first rate treatment anytime they wanted for free.
01:27:24.000Iraq took great pains to send their doctors abroad to get the latest training available.
01:27:29.000And then that, of course, was crushed at the beginning of the Gulf War and then the sanctions.
01:27:33.000And now, as you said, It's even worse than during the sanctions now, where if someone enters a hospital in Iraq to be treated, there's an 80% chance that they will leave that hospital with an infectious disease that they did not have when they entered.
01:27:47.000What is it like, Dar, to be in those hospitals with those shattered toddlers, their bodies shattered?
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01:35:49.000During the break, I wrote down some notes talking to you about things that you think are important and not, and we agree totally.
01:35:53.000It's the mosque bombing, the shrine bombing, the Brits in Basra running around car bombing and shooting people, staging it as if Muslims did it, and that's now admitted.
01:36:03.000And then we also have the situation with the upcoming war with Iran, what do you think is going to happen?
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01:36:24.000Let's bullet point run through them, Dar.
01:36:27.000Well, first of all, the mosque bombing.
01:36:30.000I think it's a very, very important thing to talk about and keep talking about for quite some time.
01:36:35.000Again, it's important to contextualize it.
01:36:37.000You look at what happened down in Basra about nine months ago, where the two undercover British SAS officers were caught by Iraqi police in disguise, wearing dashdashas, kafiyas.
01:36:48.000Trying to appear as Arabs in a car full of explosives and remote detonator devices.
01:36:54.000They were going to be tried for trying to generate sectarian violence.
01:36:58.000Instead, the British military literally razed the jail to free them, and of course have them in custody as a result.
01:37:04.000The Brits have lost all contact with the Governor of Basra.
01:37:08.000They've lost, even more recently, all ties with the Karbala.
01:37:12.000government have been cut and today two British soldiers were killed down in Amara, which is the city where the British troops were beating Iraqi youth.
01:37:20.000That infamous video is available for people to see also.
01:37:24.000I believe they released that on purpose to stir people up just like the Prophet Muhammad bomb cartoons put out by neocons we now learn.
01:37:33.000That's all part of the P2OG plan to stir up the Muslims and the Arabs and the Persians It's in the PNAC plan, it's in the 1983 Israeli plan to have the U.S.
01:37:44.000invade, break it into three or four regions and have it be endless war because they don't want that to be a strong region.
01:37:50.000Exactly, which is the perfect setup to discuss what happened in Samar at the Golden Mosque, where this is a Shia mosque, one of the four most sacred Shia shrines in all of Iraq.
01:38:01.000And Samar, of course, is a primarily Sunni city.
01:38:05.000This mosque has been there for over a thousand years.
01:38:10.000So why, at this critical stage, would they launch an attack on Yeah, I want to point out that there are Catholic churches built in 300, you know, 345 in areas of Iraq that the Muslims all guard as well.
01:38:22.000They don't run around blowing up anybody's shrines.
01:38:26.000And I think if you just look at the facts, of course, and I think most importantly is who benefits from this, We've got a government now in Iraq that the U.S.
01:38:43.000And the timing of this couldn't be better for the Americans, where now there's been massive chaos, massive bloodshed, Sunnis and Shia fighting against each other instead of uniting and fighting against the occupation forces.
01:38:55.000And then you look at how this Demolition of the Mosque was done.
01:38:58.000And they do call it a demolition and not just a random bomb.
01:39:03.000You can look at the photos and see that for yourself.
01:39:07.000Only Imperial Storm Troopers are so precise that we are meant to think it was Jawas.
01:39:12.000Yeah, exactly, and the fact that even one of the ministers of Iraq has come out and said that this is a professional job, it couldn't have taken less than 12 hours for people to set this up.
01:39:23.000We have eyewitnesses in Samarra, one in particular who was sleeping in his internet cafe to guard his computers.
01:39:30.000Because that's the security situation in Iraq, and he watched people go into the mosque the night before and then leave just after curfew was raised at 6 a.m.
01:39:39.000Of course, 45 minutes after that is when the first detonation went off.
01:39:43.000Well, the reports we're getting is that it looks like it was Iraqi National Guard.
01:39:49.000Well, of course that's how they were described, that these people were essentially dressed as Iraqi National Guard.
01:39:55.000Others were described as wearing all black.
01:39:58.000Keep in mind, again, how the British officers in the South were operating, trying to appear Iraqi.
01:40:04.000So I think there's two possibilities here.
01:40:07.000Either that these are some of the Bader death squads that Rumsfeld admitted to training back in January of 2005.
01:40:13.000that they were in there setting the bombs with U.S. supervision, or they were U.S. covert ops directly doing the job.
01:40:21.000Now, to break this down, one of the major tools of Empire is divide and conquer, and that's clearly happening.
01:40:28.000And in Basra nine months ago, they caught two British SAS, Special Air Services.
01:40:33.000That's what the Delta Force and Green Berets were modeled after.
01:40:35.000And they were running around with a jeep full of plastic explosives, seen around the areas of car bombings, and then caught red-handed shooting their own police, shooting the Basra police, and then blaming it on Iranian Shia forces.
01:40:52.000And then they actually captured them, and then the local mayor said, we're going to try these people.
01:40:57.000The governor said we're going to try them.
01:41:41.000It's what Co and Telpro did in America in the 60s and 70s.
01:41:45.000Now their handbooks have been declassified.
01:41:47.000You've got a few agents, and they'll go kill one black leader and then blame it on the other black leader, and then the black groups will start killing each other.
01:42:18.000In 1953, Dr. Mohamed Mozadek was pro-America, anti-communist, driven the communists out, Time Magazine Man of the Year, and he just said, look, we're going to keep a small amount of the oil money for our own country.
01:43:24.000And then they convicted Mosadek, three years in prison, then life and house arrest, chopped the heads off of most of his ministers, when they did it, and then Kermit Roosevelt brags about it.
01:43:41.000It's been going on since the beginning of the occupation of Iraq, and I think we'll see, we'll certainly see more of it, because the remarkable thing, though, I think that should be pointed out is that despite widespread violence over the last five days as a result of this bombing, that now, more than ever, we see Muqtada al-Sadr is taking great steps towards keeping Iraq unified.
01:44:04.000In Sunni Mosque there have been mutual prayers in Mosque up and down the country and so far they have been able to stave off.
01:44:11.000Are the majority of Iraqis, I mean other more sophisticated because they have been through hell than most westerners, are they figuring out who is behind this?
01:44:18.000They are very, very clear who is behind it.
01:44:21.000The one problem is that their revenge killing is playing into this a lot.
01:44:27.000So that's kind of outside of the scope of a direct civil war.
01:44:31.000But certainly, the vast majority of the people there are very, very clear that this is part of the project for the new American century.
01:44:48.000Uh, what, 85 years ago, the British did the exact same thing in Iraq, where they play the different factions off against each other.
01:44:54.000They did, without a doubt, and they issued the exact same propaganda that the British can't possibly pull out because Iraq will be plunged into civil war, that basically the Arabs will kill each other.
01:45:04.000The exact same propaganda is being recycled this time around.
01:45:10.000It really doesn't, and I think this, though, the scale and the level and the blatancy of it that we're witnessing right now abroad and right here at home, though, I think is rather unprecedented that these people, it appears as though they're not even concerned about trying to hide anymore of what they're trying to do.
01:45:30.000And just like 85 years ago, the Tories, the Conservatives, the Labor, they're all together on it.
01:45:38.000Democrats, Republicans, almost unanimously for it.
01:45:41.000The people don't want it in both countries, but our imperial leaders say we've got to go kill people.
01:45:47.000That's right, and I think that's really one of the most worrisome signs, is that this country is a long ways off from being a healthy democracy.
01:45:56.000We've got a government where, even today, we see Bush's approval ratings down to an all-time low of 34%, and probably will continue to drop.
01:46:05.000And they just don't care, because as you said, it's really just a matter of time before they start applying the draconian measures they're applying over in Iraq.
01:46:13.000It's essentially a test ground they're applying.
01:46:46.000Seriously, this is really happening, Dar?
01:46:50.000I mean, your take just on how everything they're doing in Iraq, they're now trying to set up the same systems here.
01:46:56.000Well, if you look at, for example, the biometrics that they've used regarding Fallujah after the November siege, they set it up so that everyone going in and out of that city has to get a retina scan.
01:47:06.000Ten fingers fingerprinted and then they get essentially a barcode administered to them.
01:47:11.000And that system is being applied now in other places around Iraq on a smaller scale.
01:47:16.000Well now look at what's happening here with our passports.
01:47:21.000Even in the last week we've had a documented instance of two workers having chips inserted in them physically.
01:47:27.000So it is a test ground and if we look at how the military is being used there and of course the alarming Yeah, along with foreign assets.
01:47:47.000And for those that don't get this, again, last year at MIT Magazine reported how the cameras, the face scanning cameras, the license plate readers, all the stuff going in, federally paid for, was designed by the Pentagon and is, quote, to control the population in a, quote, security grid.
01:48:04.000Right, and if you look up, another very disturbing thing is if you look at military manuals, and you think this is going to be applied to Iraq and the way that they describe people who resist them, even if someone has a political belief that is against US policy, they can be classified as an enemy combatant.
01:48:24.000Sir, in Senate hearings last week, the chairman of the committee, I don't know if you've heard this shit, I can pull it out and read it to you later, he said we need to start arresting and surveilling and going after these war protesters, because we're really fifth columnists.
01:48:36.000Right, I did read that, and I think that's extremely alarming, and again, that's not a wake-up call.
01:48:52.000Yes, without a doubt, and of course that is part of propaganda, twisting the reality around to try to portray the innocent civilians and the law-abiding people and the people trying to defend the Constitution as being quite the opposite.
01:49:04.000It's quite, again, it's another old trick that is recycled.
01:49:08.000Dar, I want to come back and talk to Don and a few other callers that are holding for you, and then we're going to get another amazing American on.
01:49:15.000John Sharp, talking about similar issues altogether, riding shotgun here.
01:49:20.000And you notice, I've never talked to Dar before.
01:49:21.000I mean, I called him last week and said, would you come on?
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01:53:15.000And I don't want the evil that these globalists are doing being in my name.
01:53:19.000I will not stand by as children and women are slaughtered and innocent people are killed on a lie, while a bunch of fat-bellied nobodies sit in their easy chairs giggling about it.
01:55:21.000Well, since it's private companies, it's hard to get the figures, but my research, I estimate the lowest number is 20,000, and upwards of 70,000.
01:55:30.000Well, you're familiar with different names of them, like ISI, Jack Titan.
01:56:43.000I'm the lady that was speaking at the U.N.
01:56:46.000Quite a few months ago, and I promised I would get back to you, but I was so grimly disappointed with the talk that ended up we having and addressing the group that it was impossible for me to really get back to you.
01:57:00.000Okay, I remember some vague call about you were going to give a speech at the U.N.
01:57:04.000Yes, and unfortunately they were into their woo-woo kind of new age kind of thing.
01:58:16.000If callers want to call in about other subjects...
01:58:20.000They're welcome to do it when these guests aren't with us.
01:58:22.000I'm really trying to talk about the upcoming war with Iran, government-staged terror in Iraq, the killing of civilians, the police state here.
01:58:28.000Dar Jamal, combat reporter, eight months off and on in-country during the war and the occupation.
01:58:34.000He's been in Fallujah during the siege, and he'll be joining us for much of this hour.
01:58:38.000Coming up later, we're going to have John Sharp on with us, a scheduled publisher of the powerful books, Neocon and Neocon Again, that we carry at InfoWars.com.
01:58:46.000Let's continue with calls for Dar Jamal.
01:58:48.000Hassan, I believe, calling us from Canada.
01:59:02.000I wanted to ask if you would consider not offending the Nazis by comparing the way we're treating the Iraqis to the way they treated whomever.
01:59:12.000I don't think they ever treated anyone the way we're treating the I think they were doing some raping and some torturing, quite a bit of it actually, but let me just say this, the Nazis didn't brag about it and publish it, and Hitler's lawyers didn't put out newspaper articles saying they can crush children's body parts in front of their parents, so the Nazis never bragged this much and didn't try to normalize it, they just did it behind closed doors.
01:59:40.000Well, another thing that I think I should draw another parallel is that I've personally documented doctors, U.S.
01:59:47.000Army medics, being very complicit in the torture, either by trying to hide it and conceal it in falsified medical reports... Or assisting.
01:59:55.000Or assisting, like, you know, basically going in halfway through the torture saying, no, okay, you can give it to this person a little bit more.
02:00:02.000Okay, and again, for those that don't know, DAR reported on this months before it hit mainstream news.
02:00:06.000It is admitted that they actually have doctors helping in the torture.
02:00:11.000I was reporting on that as far back as January of 2004, and then, of course, this was a case, though, actually, that the actual torture story that I reported where this occurred happened back in August of 2003.
02:01:42.000Did you hear about that, Dara, about how they said, oh, for security, we're going to have to retina scan anyone that goes in the building and have armed guards and face scanning cameras?
02:01:51.000Well, I saw Ridge three and a half, four years ago on C-SPAN say that they have a job to work everywhere we're going to be under this.
02:01:58.000Well, it's certainly not a surprise if we look at what they're already doing, what they're doing to other citizens from Europe, for example, that want to come into the U.S.
02:02:06.000when they go through customs getting a retina scan.
02:02:08.000So, it's certainly just a continuation of the trend.
02:02:11.000Well, when we get back, I want to get into Iran with you, and then I also want to talk about how you think this is all going to end in Iraq.
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02:06:09.000Dar Jamal, combat reporter, eight months plus spent in Iraq.
02:06:14.000Dar, the Iran situation, they're using the exact same propaganda of three and a half years ago on the eve of the invasion, now coming up on the three year anniversary this month.
02:06:24.000Uh, to now invade Iran when it's admitted they can't have any A-bombs for ten years, if left alone to buy whatever they wanted.
02:06:35.000Again, exactly as you said, it's another instance of them recycling the same exact propaganda.
02:06:40.000And I think the difference with Iran is that they don't have an interest in an occupation.
02:06:44.000They're going to just use massive aerial bombardment and lots of covert ops.
02:06:49.000We've already seen where just yesterday there was more bombings in two southern Iranian oil cities, which is nothing new also.
02:06:56.000And then they say Al-Qaeda did it, and then on top of it it's admitted, admitted that U.S. special forces are hiding in the hills all over the country.
02:07:06.000That coupled with unmanned surveillance flights that have been going on for several months now, many covert operations going on and special forces on the ground, and have been for many months as well.
02:07:17.000Imagine in America that stuff was blowing up, dams were blowing up, you know it's the globalists, there's nothing you can do.
02:07:22.000And how dare Iran criticize us while we're just bombing them?
02:07:26.000That's right, and I think another really important thing to pay attention to is what will happen in Iraq when this bombardment is launched against Iran, and it's not if, it's when.
02:07:35.000Um, and I know I don't need to tell you that, but what will happen in Iraq is we look at already the two leading Shia clerics.
02:07:42.000Grand Ayatollah Sistani, who was born in Iran and moved to Najaf in 1953, is going to do essentially what he's told by the clerics in, by the mullahs in Iran.
02:07:53.000And then we have Muqtada al-Sadr, the other leading Shia cleric, who has already announced publicly that if Iran is attacked by anyone, of course, his militia in Iraq will fight for Iran, both in and outside of Iran.
02:08:12.000It's like literally beating a hornet's nest with a giant baseball bat.
02:08:16.000They know that it's going to explode, and we're off to the races.
02:08:21.000That's right, and of course that opens the door for them to use whatever types of weapons they want to use there, and of course it will be very good for the military-industrial complex.
02:08:31.000And I believe the network's trying to talk to me, but it isn't coming through.
02:08:42.000We're about to go to our guest, John Sharp.
02:08:44.000And Dar's been gracious enough to ride shotgun with us on both these men who I admire greatly, especially Dar Jamal being over there eight months.
02:08:52.000And we're also, Dar, hearing the media frame the debate that how dare the Iranians Scum of Satan, if they dare fight back or do anything, and when we bomb 200 sites with DU, depleted uranium, maybe even they're talking about using mini-nukes, no such thing, but they're calling them mini-nukes, super bunker busters, imagine their evil if they fight back.
02:09:15.000If they do anything, by then we'll have to invade the South and go ahead and take their oil fields, where most of their oil is located.
02:09:22.000Can you imagine an evil country, so evil, That they let special forces troops run around all over their country, blow up dams, bomb refineries, clearly doing it, staging terror in Iraq, blaming it on Iran, and then can you imagine how evil they are that they're saying they may fight back if attacked?
02:09:41.000And all empires through history have used this tactic, this propaganda tactic, of dehumanizing the people who resist them.
02:09:49.000I mean, if we're going to apply that same logic being used by the people in Washington, D.C., then we have to call the American patriots who fought against the British.
02:09:58.000They would be terrorists then as well.
02:10:01.000Then there's this line that all the Muslims want to eat our guts and eat our brains.
02:10:04.000I mean, you're a Christian yourself, and that they just all can't wait to slit our throats immediately.
02:10:47.000I was just reading these documents the other night.
02:10:49.000To go over there and have the Savak torture, then they got sick of it and overthrew the Shah, and then now everybody's upset that they don't like us.
02:10:55.000Then three years ago, they've got a moderate government trying to be pro-West, bending over backwards.
02:11:02.000Now a more radical government has come in, thanks to these policies which were meant from the beginning to radicalize these Muslim nations.
02:11:10.000Right, and that's exactly what's happening all throughout the Middle East, including Iraq, and it's astounding to see this, and it's hard for me to understand why more folks here aren't able to draw the connection.
02:11:22.000But you've written and said, and I've also seen this in the foreign press, that most Arabs, most Muslims, most Persians, I mean, it is understood.
02:11:30.000They are sophisticated geopolitically, they understand it, they've lived through it, they understand that this is all being manipulated.
02:11:37.000Yes, without a doubt, which is, again, why when we see bombs start to fall on Iran, there will not be, as the deal non-strategists say, where people will rise up and overthrow the mullahs, where actually quite the opposite will happen, just like we're seeing in Iraq.
02:11:53.000In Egypt, In Syria, in Iran, in Iraq, there were huge Christian populations, or still are to some extent, and Jewish populations totally left alone.
02:12:06.000No one said, we're going to chop your head off if you don't convert.
02:12:09.000The fact is that it is a huge hoax that this is going on.
02:12:14.000The fact is that they recognize Christianity and Judaism as the roots of their religion and honor it and are scared to death of even, you know, Spitting a mile away from a Christian church.
02:12:29.000And it's the same thing in Iraq, where there have been Christians there.
02:12:33.000Six percent of the population of Iraq is Christian.
02:12:36.000They've all been able to coexist without a problem for thousands of years.
02:12:40.000So again, I think it's important for people to draw that connection between the rhetoric being spewed by the minions of the Bush administration in regards to what's happening there, and just compare that to the past thousands of years of history.
02:12:52.000Well, you're a Texan, but as you said in the last hour, when a caller asks, your family's Christian-Lebanese, and I mean, have you guys been persecuted?
02:13:01.000Are they trying to convert you to Islam?
02:13:13.000I mean, I thought they had rock and roll music stations there and playboys sold in the stores.
02:13:18.000I'm not even saying that's good, you know, with the playboy, but the point is, is it's a fraud.
02:13:21.000And now, in fact, I've got the documents from the 50s, after the Cold War, they tried to go and fund the Muslim Brotherhood and others to radicalize them.
02:13:30.000Yeah, that's really not as surprising.
02:13:32.000Again, it works for them to work with the fringe elements there, where the vast majority of the people in that country, they're just like people here, they want peace, they want security, they want the ability to have a better life.
02:13:43.000And that's what they had hoped for when the initial invasion was launched, even though they knew the pretenses were false.
02:13:49.000You know they really got 18 inch fangs dripping acid and they all just want to eat us.
02:13:53.000I mean, have you heard the neocon propaganda?
02:14:15.000John Sharp was a 1993 distinguished graduate of the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, and it goes on and on where he received his degree in honors, English, And it goes on, he served with the U.S.
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02:14:49.000I know you've been sitting there for four minutes on hold listening to Dar and I talk about the situation.
02:14:54.000Give us your take on what you've heard us discuss, John.
02:15:23.000Yeah, well, the first book gets back to what you guys talked about in terms of the religious aspect.
02:15:29.000I mean, there's so much propaganda, both in terms of what Islam is all about, but also on the Christian side.
02:15:33.000I mean, it's been represented by folks like Falwell and Robertson that the Christians themselves are bloodthirsty and we want another crusade, we want to reshape the Middle East, etc., etc.
02:15:42.000when the first book was put out to basically refute that contention, that that's all nonsense, that the authentic position is very much in favor of this peaceful approach, the idea that we want to live in peace with other members of the family of nations.
02:15:56.000And so there's 400 pages on this tradition that frankly goes back not only to the original Christians, but goes back even to the Roman thinkers like Cicero, arguing that if you're going to go to war, you go to war to defend yourself against an actual ongoing armed attack, and that's all of it.
02:16:11.000So I would say that that approach obviously applies no less to Iran and what may be coming, or what will be coming, Just as it does to Iraq.
02:16:20.000I mean, we're drug-kicking and streaming to it, but we're the invaders, the classical aggressors.
02:16:25.000You're right, and there's no way to get around that, and the fact of the matter is that that fact doesn't change the minute the conflict starts.
02:16:31.000That's one of the things we've been disappointed in on behalf of some of the, what they would call, paleo-conservatives, who, you know, Buchanan, Sobran, these guys, I normally enjoy reading what they have to say.
02:16:43.000Pat Buchanan has a feature essay in the first book, but what was disappointing was this line that we heard from certain circles that, well, now that the shooting starts, we all have to just shut up and fall in line.
02:16:52.000And of course, you know, if the conflict's fundamentally unjust when it starts, that fact doesn't change.
02:16:58.000Well, the shooting's never going to stop!
02:17:02.000And so, you know, we can't afford to shelve this question to right and wrong.
02:17:06.000And, Dara, I'd be interested in your comment, but our perspective from here is that If it's true, we want to convey to the rest of the world that we are law-abiding and that we're peace-loving.
02:17:15.000I may say that kind of smirking because, of course, it doesn't make a lot of sense, but how credible is it to launch one aggressive war after another and expect people are going to take us seriously when we talk democracy and the rule of law?
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02:22:36.000And I'm just really, really grateful for, like, the news you bring, just because you were even talking about how... like, just talking about the Muslims in general, and I just wanted to thank you for actually looking at it unbiasedly.
02:23:11.000Well, that's what I found, just like what Mr. Sharpe was talking about before the break, is that, again, despite the atrocities that have been inflicted upon the people of Iraq, most people there are still very clear at differentiating between the American people In the policies of the U.S.
02:23:27.000government, they're very clear on the fact that, you know, most people there are aware that we've had two illegitimate elections here in a row, and that these policies are not a reflection of the will of most people in the U.S.
02:24:01.000Well, I think it's nice to hear from his perspective as well.
02:24:06.000And to go back to what we were saying before, I mean, the bottom line is you have so many Christians in the U.S.
02:24:11.000who use Christianity as some indicator of their kind of public approach or their religious approach to things.
02:24:18.000And the truth we wanted to represent, which I think is very similar to what you guys are talking about, is that the Christian religion is a religion of peace.
02:24:25.000It certainly admits of self-defense, but that's what it comes down to, is self-defense.
02:24:30.000And if you look at the facts of both what's pushing us into Iraq now and what's pushing us into Iraq, no matter how much credibility or credence you give to some of these assertions and some of the accusations, in no way can they be understood as necessitating a war of defense.
02:24:45.000If we were attacked We can defend ourselves.
02:25:04.000And we tried to take that perspective on purpose to say, let's assume for everybody out there who believes the official story, that you still can't argue your way from these 19 guys who are, you know, unidentified.
02:25:15.000Again, we decided it was Bin Laden kind of on a whim.
02:25:19.000Mainly coming from our so-called allies.
02:26:33.000So, like, it's got me where I'm just, like, re... And, like, obviously I can see all these things happening around me and I do, like... I've traveled quite a bit, so I, you know, I've seen much every... A lot of there is to see.
02:26:47.000Like, I don't... I'm kind of, like, sitting here right now in Canada living my, you know, great lifestyle that I live.
02:26:56.000All this is going on and I was just wondering, like, how you exactly went into, like, how you You're wanting to get involved in the fight against the New World Order?
02:27:10.000The training, we've got to go into Iraq.
02:27:13.000Oh, you want to ask our Jamal how he went there to cover it.
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02:31:28.000They're easy reads, even though they're voluminous, because it's just chapters, different issues, different facets.
02:31:34.000But tell us about your website, and then tell us about the books.
02:31:38.000Folks can pick, you know, articles or chapters that are of interest to them.
02:31:41.000There's no obligation to read the whole thing cover to cover, although we would, of course, suggest that they ingest and digest every word.
02:31:48.000The books are broken into two volumes.
02:31:50.000The first is about 400 and some odd pages featuring somewhere between 20 and 25 contributors.
02:31:58.000Number one, we've discussed it a little bit to sort of right the wrong on what's been popularly perceived as a Christian war and as a conservative war.
02:32:05.000Nothing could be farther from the truth.
02:32:07.000Of course, Christian principles dictate that it's only legitimate to go to war if you're actually attacked.
02:32:11.000And as we've said, 9-1-1 Notwithstanding, that's not even a credible argument.
02:32:16.000The second one is this idea that it's a conservative war, that conservatives across the country support the thing, and that's, of course, false.
02:32:23.000Is this a conservative war by a professor up in Pennsylvania, Paul Gottfried, who's a long-time and well-known paleo-conservative writer who really shreds that argument.
02:33:03.000We feel like this print interview from him is kind of capturing his last testament because as you know he worked on Iraq for say 15 years.
02:33:10.000He was one of the only mainstream political figures that I'm aware of Who told the truth about Iraq going all the way back to the end of the Iran-Iraq War.
02:33:20.000I mean, he's a big-time Reagan administration guy, an associate editor of the Wall Street Journal in the late 70s, inventor of supply-side economics.
02:33:32.000And he was in a conservative establishment, and it was only towards the end that the neoconservatives started taking potshots against him on their websites, which proves to me that he was doing some good.
02:33:43.000Yeah, I mean, that 70 pages there, if somebody wanted to buy the first book and they said, look, I really just need to read one thing, that's worth the price of the book itself.
02:33:53.000You'll have an encyclopedic knowledge of so many things.
02:33:55.000And then briefly, I want to move on to some issues, but tell us about the second book.
02:33:59.000Well, the second book looks at the more explosive or hot topics that, for your listeners, Alex, is not going to be.
02:34:05.000anything shocking or anything that they're unprepared for, but it does look at this intelligence scandal and refutes this notion that, well, it was just an accident.
02:34:12.000I mean, there's nothing that could be farther from the truth, but we do have insiders.
02:34:15.000I mean, guys, retired CIA folks and a former director of the Middle East desk at the DIA, which is Defense Intelligence Agency, who really give an explosive inside view as to what was happening to push the intelligence community in the direction that the politicians wanted it to go.
02:34:30.000Again, it refutes this notion that it was just an accident and that, in fact, What little scraps of bad intelligence were out there, were actually intentionally misused and countered by... Well, yeah, Cheney created a special office because he couldn't get the lies he wanted from the CIA.
02:34:43.000He did, he did, yep, and that office was in the Pentagon, it was in the Policy Division, and it was run by a guy named Douglas Fyfe.
02:34:49.000I don't know if you talked about him on your program at all, Alan.
02:34:51.000No, I haven't seen him, but sure, we talk about one, sir.
02:34:53.000Yeah, I mean, it's... Let me go back... These guys are thick as thieves, sadly, but... Let me go back for a second to Dara Jamal.
02:34:58.000She's going to leave us here in just a few minutes.
02:35:26.000We'll fix the intelligence around going to war.
02:35:29.000And then now after they lie to us over and over and over again on the port deals, on a hundred other issues involving all this criminality, and ballooning the size of government, and all the unconservative things they're doing, we're supposed to believe them now again, Darjean?
02:35:45.000Well, again, and I think that's a really, really important way to contextualize.
02:35:51.000This is just yet another example where we're supposed to believe the rhetoric they're putting out, that this is terrorism, that there's some, like Abu Musab al-Darkawi or al-Qaeda, or the usual pretenses that they use.
02:36:04.000Why should we believe anything that they say now, especially in light of everything that you've just mentioned?
02:36:10.000It's not that they screwed up on intelligence.
02:36:12.000It is admitted that they knowingly fabricated it.
02:36:19.000Well, and I think it's nice of Darden to mention the word rhetoric because so much of this is rhetorical.
02:36:24.000We have a piece in the back of the second book called Uh, name-calling or nemesis, and it's an analysis by a retired army colonel of the Insurgency Resistance in Iraq.
02:36:33.000Dar, I'd love you to read it and give us your comments.
02:36:35.000In fact, I think you're quoted in there a bunch of times.
02:36:37.000But this word, terrorist, conjures up the evil demons that you were referring to, uh...
02:36:42.000Kind of hyperbolically, Alex, in the last segment.
02:36:45.000The idea that somebody who fights an occupying army or fights an invading force is a quote-unquote terrorist is fundamentally... Well, they also call them cowards, and to say that some guy, and most of them have lost their families, who literally, with an old AK-47, goes up against tanks and Apache helicopters and F-16 and F-18 Joint Strike Fighters, I mean, that is not a coward.
02:37:11.000No, you're right, but it's very persuasive and I'm afraid it works for most of the American people because they create this mentality like if it's only terrorists that oppose Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam is obviously the good guy, then anybody who dares to oppose what Uncle Sam is up to is de facto.
02:37:29.000You name it, and it really shuts people's brain off, because what it means is they lose this grasp on right versus wrong.
02:38:54.000Again, this rhetoric, I think, really has shut the brains off of the American people, and that's why I'm hoping in our books and programs like yours, we can start getting people to think critically.
02:39:03.000I really think that's the problem anymore.
02:39:06.000People swallow what they hear from Fox News and from the White House press releases, and they just fail to...
02:39:57.000I think having so many people on the line, too gassed, and then the callers is causing... We may jam a few in at the end if we're able to, if folks can get themselves together and be on the line.
02:40:18.000Well, I just think it's really imperative for people to pay very close attention to what's going to happen there and that Iran's not going to be the end either.
02:40:25.000And then until people really realize this and are willing to start standing up and taking some action to change the course of what's happening here, nothing will change.
02:40:35.000And I asked you earlier, and you never had a chance to answer, and I want to pose this question to John.
02:40:41.000This whole thing, what do you think is going to happen to this globalist empire?
02:40:44.000What are they going to have to do to get this through on us?
02:40:47.000I think they're going to stage big terror attacks here in America, but I want to get your take on it.
02:40:51.000Well, without a doubt, the stage is set for something like that to occur, and I think that is going to be what they will have to do to simply augment the numbers of the military.
02:41:02.000They're going to need to continue on with this agenda.
02:41:13.000Well, as far as Iraq goes, if the Iraq occupation failed, probably less than six months into it.
02:41:18.000So that is a total, dismal failure, and really the only solution will be a tail between the legs thing, evacuation, similar to what we saw in Vietnam.
02:41:28.000But the neocons are busy wanting to move on to the next theater.
02:41:31.000That's true, but I think, as with all empires, they've already grossly overstretched themselves.
02:41:36.000And that's because their imperial leaders are always little, soft, delusional individuals.
02:41:41.000Right, who have no real experience with military whatsoever.
02:41:45.000Alright, Darr, I really appreciate you joining us.
02:41:53.000Yeah, well, you know, I hate to predict because I try to be an optimist thinking that things will turn out well, and I'm always wrong, and then I say to myself, well, I told you so.
02:42:00.000So, you know, I don't know, Alex, what things are going to bring, but I can tell you that if this business that Dara brought up about Samara, you know, I mean, I think that's a classic example.
02:42:10.000I mean, we have A situation that I think, based on all the research that's contained in Volume 2, is something everyone should be very skeptical about.
02:42:17.000The idea that the Sunnis are at the Shiites' throat, the Shiites are at the Sunnis' throat, strikes me as very, very similar to your comments earlier about the Christians and Muslims.
02:42:25.000One thing that I think Dar's written about someone that we go into in the second book, Is failing an understanding of what Baptism was and this ideology of Baptism under Saddam Hussein, you really can't understand modern Iraq.
02:42:38.000Baptism was ascendant basically since the very late 60s, so what you have really is 30 years or 35 years almost worth of an ideology in Iraq that puts Iraq nationalism first.
02:42:51.000Everybody in Iraq Learned to imagine that they were Iraqis first, and after that they were Sunnis, or Shiites, or Turks, or Christians, or what have you.
02:42:59.000And that almost completely ended sectarian warfare.
02:43:02.000And one of the things that's quoted in this interview with Jude Winonski is an email from a Shiite that he was in touch with in London, a very Well-respected and reasonable Shiite doctor who said, look, don't buy into this rhetoric about the Shiites and the Sunnis in each other's throats because it's just not true.
02:43:18.000There's some fringe, just like there's always fanatics, but it's very same.
02:43:21.000The way to conceive of it, I imagine, is the way we conceive of it here in the U.S.
02:43:26.000We have different backgrounds, different religions, etc.
02:43:28.000But if we're invaded, we all pick up the shovel.
02:43:31.000John, if you go back to Iran and the staged overthrow of Mosaddegh, the staged terror attacks, the CIA documents, I don't know if you've read those, say we can't have any nationalists, even though he was pro-America, anti-communist, and secular.
02:43:47.000We cannot have any of them being free, any of them being sovereign.
02:43:50.000So that's why Iraq was set up and brought down.
02:44:17.000Born out in the facts for people who want more support for what you're saying.
02:44:20.000Volume 1 has a lengthy essay on the sanctions and even on Gulf War 1.
02:44:24.000At the very beginning of the book it talks about how from the outset there was this desire to bring Iraq down precisely because of those strengths that you mentioned.
02:44:32.000In the second book there's an explosive quote that's recorded by an Italian journalist, the guy's name is Maurizio Blondet, who called up Edward Luttwak, the famous neocon strategist at CSIS.
02:44:45.000I called him up during the first Gulf War, right before it started, and said, look, we in Europe, I mean, we're kind of a peace-loving people.
02:44:51.000We really don't even think it's likely that the U.S.
02:44:53.000is going to go into Iraq just over Kuwait.
02:44:55.000Saddam has already agreed to pull out.
02:44:57.000He's already agreed to negotiate some acceptable terms.
02:45:02.000And look, Beck's comment back to him that's quoted in this, I think it's Chapter 3 of the book, is, we are in fact going to bomb Iraq back to the Stone Age.
02:45:11.000And what Lookback says is exactly what you just said.
02:45:13.000Now that the Iran-Iraq war is over, all of Saddam's engineers and his technical people aren't needed in the army.
02:45:18.000They're going to get back to the social work and the rebuilding of infrastructure and whatnot.
02:45:23.000They will become the dominant power in the Middle East, and we cannot permit that to happen.
02:45:27.000This is the kind of agenda and the mindset that's behind what's happening.
02:45:30.000And then you have these people with arrested development, these full-grown adults who hold down businesses and make money and you think you're smart, and they're just like, I want to nuke them!
02:45:40.000And you're like, well, do you know the history?
02:45:42.000No, I don't know nothing, but I want to kill them!
02:45:45.000Yeah, don't confuse me with the facts.
02:45:46.000That's the thing that I think is most depressing to me is to talk to so many folks like this, who you have to assume I suppose are well-intentioned, but They just absolutely refuse to open their minds.
02:45:55.000That's what these books... I mean, they're big enough.
02:45:57.000If people won't read them, I'd like to bash some people over the head with them, just to get them to wake up and think and think through these arguments and these things that they're told, because on the face of them, they just don't make any sense.
02:46:06.000Well, this type of criminality being engaged in by these criminals that have seized our country, it's shameful, and I will not be part of it.
02:46:24.000Yes, as far as the DARPA program, that's correct.
02:46:26.000It's been quietly resurrected under another name.
02:46:29.000So it never really went away and Congress has full knowledge of it and doesn't care and doesn't do nothing like they don't do nothing about many other things.
02:46:36.000Secondly, with reference to the Patriot Act and its warrantless search provisions for emails and computer data, well, it's now come out, though Alex has been saying this for quite a time, on the front page of today's New York Sun.
02:46:49.000That a case which essentially has been kept sealed, or I should say kept in confidentiality until now, dating back to 2003, you have two federal judges in the state of Florida who had ruled that in fact these warrantless searches apply to garden variety crimes.
02:47:07.000And they've in fact used them in garden variety crimes.
02:47:11.000In 1996, they paid $9 billion to have the NSA have officers in every major hub.
02:47:17.000They run them, and now it's admitted on MSNBC and on the Russert program, on CNBC.
02:47:22.000They just go, yeah, we're listening to everything.
02:47:25.000That's correct, and they've been denying that.
02:47:28.000They've been lying about that, both the political power structure... But it was all in the trade publications.
02:47:33.000Both the power structure in the media, the establishment media, the neocon-established media.
02:47:39.000They've been lying to us for years now about this, and the proof is right there.
02:47:42.000And by the way, The Sun is no liberal newspaper, should anyone know it.
02:48:04.000The audacity, if you read this article, the audacity of one of the judges that say, well there's no language there that really Congress empowered them to do this, however I'm going to rule that it's constitutional for them to do this.
02:48:16.000But see, section 802, all crime is terrorism.
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02:51:52.000It's just that we've had a lot of guests on, a lot of news today, but we'll take a lot of calls tomorrow and throughout the week, so be sure and join us.
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02:52:11.000John Sharpe, I've got to get you back on in the near future, but I wanted to get your take, and I hope people will go to Infowars.com and get Neocon and Neocon again, or go to your website and get it.
02:52:53.000And of course, it's this inability of people to think themselves out of this box they've been put in, I think, that makes us all, you know, we're all good sheep.
02:53:00.000We all go along with the process precisely because we've shut our brains off.
02:53:04.000We take stuff out of Fox News or out of a White House press release and we just shrug and say, oh, of course, they're telling us the truth.
02:53:09.000Well, you're a Naval Academy graduate.
02:53:18.000Well, I mean, I just got fed up, I'm sure, just like you, Alex.
02:53:20.000I mean, there comes a point when you see the leaders of your country doing things ostensibly in your name.
02:53:26.000I mean, I know a lot of people have said, hey, Americans, you know, you're a quote-unquote democracy.
02:53:30.000Why don't the people I think it's high time that people just get out there like this guy who called the young man who grew up in Pakistan from Canada.
02:53:35.000because of what you explained on your program.
02:53:37.000But I think it's high time that people just get out there.
02:53:41.000Like this guy who called the young man who grew up in Pakistan from Canada.
02:53:45.000If all the young folks out there would get in touch with you, get in touch with us, get in touch with anybody they possibly can to put this righteous anger, this legitimate outrage to use.
02:53:55.000And so many people picture themselves as an Arnold Schwarzenegger type hero.
02:54:13.000Yeah, and they work together, most importantly.
02:54:15.000The real heroes, I think, don't have this one-man-against-the-world mentality, but they sign on the dotted line and join up with a much larger cause.
02:54:22.000I mean, certainly this thing is bigger than your program.
02:54:26.000I mean, these books we created as a resource to give people the intellectual firepower that they need to understand everything about what's happening in Iraq now and where we're headed.
02:54:57.000You're, of course, a retired police detective yourself.
02:54:59.000As a retired police officer, what is it like to see this happen to your country?
02:55:03.000Um, when I was an officer, there still was something that we could coherently call a country based on our social and historical traditions.
02:55:11.000I believe, and I'm going to say this, that the United States is in a process of rapid collapse as a democratic institution, and that a large part of its people, or most of its people, are suffering from some form of self-denial to the point that it's insanity.
02:55:28.000I think a lot of Americans have literally gone insane.
02:55:46.000Well, let's use these books as the intellectual firepower we need, both as a roadmap for the way ahead and for understanding why we're doing what we're doing, and most importantly, Use them to get the debate back on to right versus wrong.
02:55:58.000That's the most important thing, and without that, we're lost.