Big Brother? Government cover-ups? You want answers? Well, so does he. Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network and now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones joins me on this live Tuesday, April 4, 2006 edition of The Alex Jones Show.
00:00:44.000Thank you so much for joining us on this live Tuesday edition, the fourth day of April.
00:00:50.0002006 and coming up in the next hour we'll have professor, theologian David Ray Griffin, author of two best-selling books on September 11th and one of the most effective people out there exposing the government inside job joining us in the next hour.
00:01:10.000We will, of course, be able to take phone calls today.
00:01:13.000I'll be doing that from my studios here in Austin, Texas.
00:01:17.000So later, I will give you that toll-free number, and you'll be able to call in to the broadcast.
00:01:24.000The websites are InfoWars.com, InfoWars.net, PrisonPlanet.com, PrisonPlanet.tv, and now JonesReport.com.
00:01:34.000I've had Jones Report for about, what, five years, but we updated it about once a year.
00:01:38.000It was just kind of a static site floating around out there in the asteroid belt of the blogosphere.
00:01:45.000But now it's being updated daily, sometimes multiple times daily.
00:01:49.000It's a little different than the other sites.
00:01:50.000It has a lot of the same headlines and news and information.
00:01:53.000But it also has some of its new archives on 9-11.
00:01:57.000It's going to be a big 9-11 site will be its main function.
00:02:00.000Also archives on depleted uranium, archives on sodium and stannous fluoride, archives on mercury and lead, archives on some of the things that are in our environment that are a serious problem.
00:02:13.000So I'm very proud of the job that Aaron Dykes, one of our new team members here in the last few months, is doing on that and other projects.
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00:08:23.000UK Big Brother has eye on ID card Refuseniks.
00:08:27.000Eliminates opportunity for stay of execution.
00:08:30.000And if you don't take their national ID card that's been voted down, what, eight times now, but Blair is going to use the Parliament Act to force the House of Lords to acquiesce to the demands.
00:08:42.000Eighty-plus percent of Britons in polls are against the national ID card.
00:08:46.000The illegal aliens that have flooded the country, as they've flooded all Western governments, part of the globalist crime family program to bring down sovereign nations, They don't have to carry the cards, and if you don't carry it, you are not allowed to leave your house.
00:09:10.000And the same thing is going to happen here in the United States.
00:09:12.000They passed the Real ID, National ID Card Act, last year, but over the next two years, All states under federal law must acquiesce and implement the National ID Card Thumb Scan, Face Scan, Smart Chip, and Swipe system on all cards under federal regulations.
00:09:33.000Now, several states are saying that they're going to pass laws.
00:09:37.000Places like West Virginia is moving to block it.
00:09:40.000Areas like Vermont, New Hampshire are moving to block it.
00:09:43.000A lot of exciting things happening because these are totally unconstitutional federal laws.
00:09:48.000And this will be used as your new national ID card for the new national sales tax being pushed by phony conservatives who are not conservative at all.
00:09:55.000And it will bring federal control into every search engine, every terminal, every shopping card.
00:10:00.000Every cash register, every lawn man that comes and mows your yard, every lemonade stand, even if you pay cash, by law you've got to swipe the card to make sure you're paying your new national sales tax when they try to ram that through.
00:10:17.000And of course, if you're against a whole new layer of taxation, you're an evil liberal.
00:10:21.000And they're not going to get rid of the IRS, they're going to keep that as well.
00:10:44.000And it ties in with Mr. Gutierrez, Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor at UT, that says we've got to kill all the whites.
00:10:54.000And he was the head of Hispanic Studies at UT and kind of got broken down a few years ago because of all his speeches saying, kill everybody.
00:11:03.000In fact, we played clips here before when I've done a TV show on it during Mexican Independence last year because some of his followers were leading some of the marches here locally and had their t-shirts on saying, all whites above the age of 16, all white males must be killed.
00:11:20.000And then I've been rebuked for criticizing it, for saying that I don't want to be killed.
00:11:24.000And there's a lot of denial about this, just like there's denial, just like there's massive denial concerning what's going on with Dr. Pionka, Professor, Doctor, the prestigious Pionka, who says that 90% of us need to die and the dying needs to start now.
00:11:47.000Of course, Mr. Pianka is now backpedaling.
00:11:51.000We have a local newscast where he's backpedaling.
00:11:53.000We're also going to link to an entire interview they did.
00:12:07.000Of course, Professor David Ray Griffin, a normal person on an insane asylum ward, will be joining us, unlike these other professors, and he'll be joining us to talk about Inside Job on 9-11, coming up in the next hour.
00:12:23.000But I tell you what, before I get into all this news, let me just first off get into Jose Gutierrez.
00:13:24.000When they get caught red-handed, they say, no, we mean the human race.
00:13:28.000But you read their founding documents, and what they're currently actually saying in their publications, it is the Chicano-Aztlan race, or the Mesoamerican race.
00:13:41.000I guess a mixture of European conqueror settlers, predominantly the Spanish and Portuguese, and later the French and the Germans, big influence in Mexico, and of course in Latin America in general.
00:13:56.000And so we're just going to report what they actually say here.
00:14:00.000Saturday night I called into a national radio show, and heard one of these amnesty asylum groups that runs a big operation out of Chicago, And the guest just said, no, it's not true.
00:14:13.000She's never heard of anyone with a Mexican flag.
00:14:16.000They only have American flags at these demonstrations.
00:14:50.000Many of my friends, in fact one of my best friends, is Hispanic, and they're Americans, just as American or more so than I am, very patriotic people, and they certainly don't want to live in Mexico, and they certainly don't believe Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, California, Nevada, Washington, and Oregon, and parts of Idaho and Wyoming.
00:15:20.000They certainly don't like that idea, and they certainly don't like the fact that America is imploding with all this cheap third-world labor.
00:16:15.000And that actually created some of the first enmity between South Texas Hispanics, who saw themselves as Mexicans, and the white population here.
00:16:26.000Before that, the Czechoslovakian, the Polish, and the German, and the British, and the Scottish and Irish communities, people seemed to back then be in their own communities.
00:16:38.000There was more intermarrying and more living together and more getting along.
00:16:42.000Like you wouldn't have Germans in a Czech town, but you'd have Mexicans there.
00:16:53.000Go look at these towns and witness it for yourselves.
00:16:56.000You've got all of these German-looking big You know, big, olive-skinned, dark-haired people whose, you know, grandma was Mrs. Gonzales, who married Mr. Schmidt.
00:17:12.000Now we have the l'Reconquista upon us.
00:17:18.000And it's really disgusting and a serious problem.
00:17:22.000Mexican University professor calls for murder of all whites.
00:17:26.000We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean is by that if the worst comes to worst, we've got to kill him.
00:17:33.000The words above were spoken by Jose Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas, Arlington.
00:17:38.000I just say Dallas, same thing, Metroplex.
00:17:41.000And founder of La Raza Unida political party, or the race.
00:17:45.000His full comment was, we have an aging white America, they are dying, we have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by this is if worst comes to worst, we've got to kill him.
00:17:55.000And people don't know the actual numbers.
00:17:56.000They're looking at five-year-old numbers, you know, that the majority in the below 20 are Hispanic.
00:18:01.000The majority, period, is now Hispanic.
00:18:03.000In a matter of five years, and again, if they wanted to be American, if they weren't flooding in from Latin America, running around screaming with Mexican flags, it wouldn't be a problem.
00:18:11.000But they're here saying, we're taking America down.
00:18:15.000In a column dated March 25th, 06, by Ernesto Sintaguros, titled La Gran Marcha, surpasses all expectations, he wrote, what does the immense success of La Grande Marche mean to Mexicanos and Latinos?
00:18:32.000It simply means that we now have the numbers, the political will, and the simple means that we now have the numbers, political will, and the organizational skills to direct our own destinies and not be subservient to the white and Jewish power structure.
00:18:47.000Really, it's the white and Jewish power structure, and I can prove that, I have, that funds you.
00:18:53.000I mean, it's a big Jewish mogul that owns the majority of the TV stations in the United States that are Spanish speaking.
00:19:00.000We've got World Net Daily and AP articles about it.
00:19:03.000And he put up 670 plus signs saying California is now Mexico.
00:19:08.000Remember crossing out L.A., California and putting Mexico on it?
00:19:17.000It means that we can now undertake bigger and more significant mass actions to achieve total political and economic liberation, like that being proposed by Jose Gutierrez, President of the Latino USA.
00:19:29.000Jose Gutierrez is proposing that the coalition that organized La Grande March meet in Arizona or Texas on April 8th to organize a mass boycott against the economy of the U.S.
00:19:43.000And let me tell you, I can go to this meeting with an interpreter, I can record it all, or a lot of it will be in English, and it'll be openly.
00:19:49.000As soon as we got the numbers, we're gonna kill you.
00:19:52.000And if I'm against being murdered, I'm bad.
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00:24:20.000In fact they even admit that they served out American flags, this is mainstream news, at the fronts of the rallies.
00:24:28.000And then our national complicit media would just focus on those.
00:24:32.000Meanwhile, 90 plus percent were foreign flags.
00:24:36.000And then when they have their leaders on radio, they have one crowd that goes out and says they're all friends.
00:24:41.000They go, we don't know what you're talking about.
00:25:06.000I mean, imagine, it's a perfect takeover plan.
00:25:08.000That's what the globalists are using, these foreigners, is that the average American doesn't speak the language, doesn't know what's going on.
00:25:15.000Again, my wife does, because she lived, I don't know, five, six years in Spain.
00:25:19.000Her dad was in the agriculture department, in the diplomatic corps, so she grew up and knows Spanish fluently, and we were driving through Mejia to go visit family a few months ago, and she's like, look at that grocery store!
00:25:31.000It says Mexico Land, you know, the new land, and look at that sign that says, you know, we're taking over!
00:26:14.000He even worked on main editor on Road to Tyranny and Masters of Terror.
00:26:18.000And he, when he's dreaming, because I've been on a road trip with him before, and he's in the bed next to me, you know, in the twin bed next to me, and he's speaking in Spanish.
00:26:29.000He'll wake up and somebody's speaking because he grew up in Guatemala.
00:26:34.000And he just sits, you know, and of course, frankly, most of his friends, when he lived here in Austin, he lived with a bunch of his Hispanic friends who were other DJs.
00:26:42.000But so again, he's not against Mexicans or Hispanics.
00:26:46.000But to make a long story short, he says, oh yeah, when I'm bartending, he goes, it's probably only 20-30% of the Mexicans, but they'll walk up and go, look at this scumbag, Greenville, I can't wait until we take over and deal with him.
00:26:58.000And he'll just snap back and fluent Spanish, hey, what's your problem, racist?
00:27:01.000You know, I'm more Latin than you are, I'm from Guatemala.
00:27:04.000And they'll go, oh, oh, oh, oh, because again, it's just everywhere, ladies and gentlemen.
00:27:48.000Even at Ad Asneron, he starts bringing up how they want to exterminate the population.
00:27:51.000I mean, anybody in the know knows this.
00:27:55.000When you're in the know, and I just got on air and warned you!
00:27:59.000Believe me, I found it hard to believe that they've got an open plan they're spreading to kill all whites above the age of 16, all white males.
00:29:23.000But, uh, when I come back, I'll take calls, then I'll get into this professor that says that he wants 90% of us to die, and he gets standing ovations, 95%.
00:29:33.000Stand up, according to reports, and praise him, and just, we all need to die.
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00:33:11.000And then I'll get into how the majority of environmental scientists, the majority of biologists, I can say this with total confidence, openly, constantly talk about how they want to kill everybody.
00:33:24.000And the University of Texas runs level 4 bio-weapons laboratories with Department of Defense funding.
00:33:34.000They have a Level 3 here in Austin, and I demand the FBI get in there.
00:33:39.000I demand they investigate every single one of these graduate students that is in there, that has gone to Bianca's classes.
00:33:46.000I demand that they start reading their research papers, but the FBI knows.
00:33:51.000Listen, I've been reading these research papers for years, by scientists, by graduate students, where all they talk about is how they want to kill us.
00:33:57.000And you've got top biologists, graduates, and undergrads, and PhDs all over the web calling Bianca God, saying he's right, and they're now working in Department of Defense labs, they're working in level 4 labs, level 3 labs, all over the country.
00:34:13.000And they've got stuff in these laboratories that makes the bird flu and the Spanish flu look like mother's milk, look like lemonade.
00:34:40.000David Ray Griffin coming up in 25 minutes.
00:34:42.000Before I go to your calls, I've got to tell you about some great folks.
00:34:46.000When was the first time, when was the last time you used pure soap?
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00:37:13.000You know, for a Christian, Matthew 10 talks about we need to not fear them that can kill the body, but Him, that is the Lord, that can destroy both body and soul and hell, you know?
00:37:25.000And in Isaiah 8, Isaiah was living in a time similar to ours, and the Lord told him and others not to fear what the people were fearing.
00:37:35.000That is, to let God be your fear, let Him be your dread.
00:37:38.000Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and so fear of the devil is the beginning of idiocy.
00:37:46.000You know, what we're looking at here over the last number of years, and even longer than that, is the forming of this one-world, end-time system, the end-time beast system, going according to the Word of God.
00:37:58.000And religion plays a big central part to this.
00:38:04.000And believe it or not, you know, the Vatican plays a very central part to what's been happening over the years.
00:38:11.000And there's a couple different authors.
00:38:13.000The World's Black Dictator by Dwight Kinman.
00:39:14.000We don't want to be tossed to and fro by the waves and the winds, you know.
00:39:19.000I believe a lot can happen even before the tribulation period, just like you mentioned historical examples.
00:39:26.000We're talking a lot of apostasy and Christian type religion, but with the Roman system you're looking at a false Christianity, an appearance of Christianity mixed with paganism over the centuries.
00:39:38.000And so, you know, you see... Let me ask you a question, sir.
00:39:42.000Do you have any comments about Professor Panika and all these people running around saying we've all got to die?
00:39:50.000Yeah, that's pretty... I've heard different things like that in the past.
00:39:57.000It's just where things are heading, you know, and maybe...
00:40:01.000He's kind of a diversionary tactic, maybe slightly.
00:40:04.000Well, there's an army of these people, and they use people like him to just bring it out and introduce it, so we hear it over and over again and become accustomed.
00:40:14.000Yeah, we get conditioned to it so that, you know, sometimes the enemy hides behind putting out their front men.
00:40:22.000So you can attack the front men like a lightning, like a lightning rod, you know.
00:40:26.000So they, kind of like the, uh, some of our political leaders, you know, people think that they're invested with so much power.
00:40:31.000When the real powers are behind the scenes, you never vote them in.
00:40:34.000I totally, I totally agree with you, sir.
00:41:16.000And on his website, he says he's an Archbishop of the United Catholic Church, an independent Catholic movement.
00:41:23.000And I go to his website, and I click on there, and he's talking about this United Catholic Church, and let me read this one paragraph real quick.
00:41:31.000It just says, United Catholic Church includes church parishes, progressive parishes, everything in between.
00:41:36.000You can walk into one of our parishes and hear the trip in Latin.
00:41:42.000And then it says, in another you can hear the Novus Ordo Mass, and it will be indistinguishable from what you will experience in most parishes.
00:41:51.000And in another you'll find a woman priest and her congregation.
00:41:54.000And what binds us together is our Catholic faith, and you know, we're open to ordaining homosexual priests, and we don't care.
00:42:03.000Sir, I didn't disconnect you, your cell phone dropped there.
00:42:09.000Everyone I have on this broadcast, and notice we have two calls in a row talking about Catholics.
00:42:15.000There'll probably be five more in a row.
00:42:18.000I don't think this is a setup today, but sometimes it is.
00:42:22.000I'm trying to talk about the New World Order, population control agendas, what the globalists are up to, what they're doing.
00:42:30.000And it just gets frustrating that I've laid out all these issues, all these pertinent things that are happening right now.
00:42:36.000Mr. Bowman, Dr. Bowman, was the head of the Star Wars program.
00:42:40.000Dr. Bowman did fly 101 combat missions over Vietnam as a fighter pilot, and he's highly decorated.
00:42:46.000And as a fighter pilot, and as a pilot, he's saying 9-11 story is impossible and a fable and a fraud.
00:42:52.000That's why we have conservatives on, we have liberals on, we have libertarians on, we have people we don't even agree with on, and we have them on to talk about 9-11 and other key issues.
00:43:04.000If we ever tried to only interview people on this broadcast we totally agree with, then we would not even have any guests on, because there's no one out there I totally agree with.
00:43:14.000I disagree with my beliefs from one month to the next.
00:43:17.000My general beliefs are core and stay the same, but I'm always learning more.
00:43:40.000Um, well, the thing is, is that, um, this, uh, the U.N.
00:43:45.000has this, there's somebody who set up this Georgia Guidestones, and, uh, where it talks about they want to depopulate 80% of the people, and they set this up in 1980.
00:43:57.000Yes, I meant to put that in the article that Paul and I wrote two days ago about Professor Pianco saying 90% of us need to die and getting a standing ovation from 95% of those in the audience.
00:44:09.000And we are going to add that in a part two that's coming up today or tomorrow.
00:44:13.000about this and we've covered the Georgia Guidestones a lot.
00:44:16.000A Masonic organization put them up saying this is the Ten Commandments and the Ten Commandments is actually to reduce the world population to 400 to 500 million from memory, I believe is what it says.
00:44:27.000Just type Georgia Guidestones into Google or another search engine and you can see the photos of it.
00:44:32.000And yes sir, sir, this is the master plan.
00:45:45.000Okay, do you know how many, how many square feet are in a mile?
00:45:49.000You know, I don't have that in front of me, but I know the calculations are you could give each person on Earth, uh, a acre and... And do you know where I'm getting that?
00:45:57.000Let me just stop and, and, and put them into the state of Texas.
00:46:02.000There's 20, well, rounded that up, 28 million, uh, square feet in a mile.
00:46:06.000So in a thousand miles, you've got 2,800,000,000 square feet.
00:46:11.000And that's... I was just doing a study on my county, Nevada County, which is a thousand miles.
00:46:15.000You get yourself something like Fresno, that's 168,000,000,000 square feet.
00:46:20.000These people have got to look at the numbers.
00:46:25.000This overpopulation is just a bunch of propaganda and I'm tired of it.
00:46:30.000Well, sir, what it is is a pretext and an excuse to devalue human life.
00:46:34.000The radical animal rights people are funded by the big banks and the big foundations of the universities, because then they can say, well, animals have the same rights as you, and the government represents the animals, so the animals' rights outweigh your rights, or you could say outvote your rights, and so we are all as valuable as bacteria, as Professor Pianka and Professor Peter Singer And others have said, and so we're going to have to get rid of you.
00:47:01.000In fact, he's an expert on his site in corralling human populations, he says, and environmental buffer zones, and putting us into compact cities.
00:47:09.000A prison planet in the name of saving the Earth.
00:47:13.000This is the excuse of the globalists to bring in an incredible tyranny, and they propagandize millions of students and graduate students to be adherents to this modern death cult.
00:47:49.000And Steve is a local activist who exposes the open borders, and who has given me some of the audio and videotapes of the mayor saying that they are the master race, and this is Aslan, three years ago, outgoing mayor.
00:48:02.000And of course, his name was Gus Garcia, and then he gave me the Gutierrez tape where he said we've got to kill all the whites, implement the plan of San Diego, and now that's back in the news today.
00:48:12.000So, right now, let's go ahead and speak to Steve Mason.
00:48:25.000I first wanted to alert everybody to the reckoning up in Crawford, Texas on May 6th.
00:48:31.000Where they're going to go protest against Bush's open border policies.
00:48:35.000And you can find that at www.areckoning.com Alex, you know they're going to have another pro-illegal march tomorrow, Monday, this coming Monday?
00:48:45.000I knew that, and I'm going to be out of town just for Monday, but let me just bring this up to you, Steve.
00:48:50.000You were there at the Mexican Independence Day parade where they were calling us gringos and telling us to leave, and they had their t-shirts on saying all whites above age 16 who are male must die, and is this a minority view with the illegal lobby, or is this a majority view?
00:49:09.000The people who are outspoken about it, of course, are a minor view, and of course the majority will always tell you, oh, well, they don't agree with it, but it seems to me that birds of a feather flock together, if you know what I mean.
00:49:22.000Well, I mean, it's the leaders of the movement, it's the dominant forces, and they're on the extreme saying you all must die, but then the majority of the illegal lobby just says, no, you've just got to go back to Europe.
00:49:42.000I think this Ocelot stuff and Kill the Gringo and I think we cleanse Whitey out is part and parcel of the warp and weave of the Chicano movement.
00:49:54.000And I don't know if you read in the paper about the Cesar Chavez march this weekend?
00:50:00.000And heard what Susana Almanza from Poder had to say?
00:50:05.000No, I heard about the march, but not her.
00:50:57.000We'll just keep plowing through your calls.
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00:56:10.000While you were gone off the air, Lou Dobbs came on, and they were talking about 911, and they had this man who was supposedly this shadow conspirator who had trained the men who were on the and they had this man who was supposedly this shadow conspirator who had trained the men Yes.
00:56:32.000And how they couldn't find him, but that supposedly he was killed during the first round of battle over in Iraq.
00:56:43.000Well, it's like in Ohio, they bust a group of, quote, terrorists, and then it turns out that a government agent, special forces Arab, you know, from the U.S.
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00:56:59.000So they go set these patsies up to create the illusion that they're really domestic terrorists.
00:57:29.000We've now got a smoking gun about this population control agenda or what I would call mass murder.
00:57:36.000Boy, and we've got such a great list of 9-11 whistleblowers now between British members of former members of government, German, various Americans.
00:58:16.000And Alex, let me say, I hear the music so I've got to rush, but I've been kind of sitting here observing things and after yesterday, I'm going active.
00:58:26.000So I'm going to launch a big project and if you would let me, after the break, give out my email address to your listeners, I need some volunteers.
00:58:33.000Yeah, we can't do that because we've got the professor joining us, but start a website and we'll plug it.
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00:59:54.000We've got links to that up on InfoWars.com, an MP3 of that.
00:59:58.000But he'll be joining us with another newsmaker interview here today.
01:00:02.000Another one of the credible Whistleblowers and people exposing government complicity in 9-11 running the attacks as a pretext for global empire.
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01:00:42.000And then later, I want to spend some time on the headline, Scientists Cheers Holocaust Wish, from right here in Austin, Texas.
01:00:49.000He gave a speech last weekend saying it again, and he gave a speech a month ago to the Texas Academy of Scientists saying it, and it's not based in science.
01:00:56.000And he got off on it, according to the professors and others we've talked to that witnessed it.
01:01:00.00095% of the professors and scientists and students and graduate students got up to a rousing applause, a standing ovation, and went on and on.
01:01:10.000And this is an elite mentality, an elite philosophy, and we're going to be exposing it.
01:01:15.000It's even crept into the 9-11 Truth Movement, people pushing these Malthusian social Darwinistic views.
01:01:40.000You're very successful speech and presentation that you gave, then I want to talk to you about where you think the 9/11 Truth Movement is going, what you think of Charlie Sheen going public, if you think other big people are going to be going public, and basically from your in-depth analysis what you think really happened on 9/11, and maybe go through the four scenarios that you and maybe go through the four scenarios that you discussed.
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01:02:23.000It shows that there's a growing movement of people out there who are interested in this, you know, interested enough to come out on a rainy night and There's an enormous amount of interest and enthusiasm about it.
01:02:42.000I also spoke for the Democratic World Federalists and then at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco.
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01:07:41.000Professor David Ray Griffin, I know some of you don't know who he is, most of you do, but Professor, before we get into 9-11, just for people who don't know who you are, tell us about yourself and then tell us how you woke up to 9-11.
01:07:51.000I saw a story, a positive one, the San Francisco Chronicle, with the headline, out loud, an inside job.
01:08:00.000And the San Francisco Chronicle just came right out and said you're very credible and they're saying it's an inside job.
01:08:05.000By the way, the San Francisco Chronicle, I didn't mention this, wrote an article saying Infowars.com is right and calling us a watchdog yesterday.
01:08:24.000Professor, tell us about yourself and your awakening so we can compare it to other people's awakenings.
01:08:29.000And then I want to talk about some of the other whistleblowers and then your particular approach to 9-11 and why it's been so effective with your scholarly approach to waking people up.
01:08:41.000Well, my background, I've been a philosophy of religion and theology professor.
01:08:48.000I had gotten interested in the last 10-15 years of my ...teaching career in the questions of global politics.
01:09:00.000And then after 9-11, I started writing a book on U.S.
01:09:05.000imperialism because I had originally accepted the blowback thesis that 9-11 was a blowback from U.S.
01:09:13.000foreign policy that most Americans didn't know about.
01:09:18.000But then, about a year and a half in, We saw that this was, like many other incidents, a false flag operation to promote our entry into a war, in this case, a self-declared war on terrorism.
01:09:49.000It was after a colleague had sent the, uh, a website that had Paul Thompson's timeline.
01:09:57.000Um, there's a 200 page, what at that time was a 200 single-spaced page, uh, timeline giving all sorts of stories from the strictly mainstream press that contradicted the official story.
01:10:13.000So if I recall correctly, it was only a couple hours into that that I saw that the official story most likely was false.
01:10:25.000I've found that's very effective, the different 100 smoking guns, 200 smoking guns, 20 smoking guns, there's all these different articles out there that just list mainstream what is available.
01:10:36.000If you can, for people to just join us, go through your four different views, there's four different ways to historically look at this from different perspectives.
01:10:47.000Let's see, that was some time back that I gave that.
01:10:51.000Lecture, certainly there's the official theory that this was an attack by foreign terrorists and therefore in order to protect ourselves we had to launch this war on terror.
01:11:07.000Other people believe that, yeah, that was true, but that we lied about some of the details and certainly particularly lied about Iraq.
01:11:18.000In order to justify a response that was completely disproportionate to the cause, and in some cases had no relation.
01:11:27.000So that would be the view of many of the... much of the left who hold that view.
01:11:37.000Certainly a third view is that the government knew it was coming, but deliberately Let it happen, and then perhaps joined in.
01:11:48.000So, for example, perhaps Al-Qaeda really did organize the attack on the World Trade Center, but of course they couldn't have made the buildings come down so that our own agents placed the explosives in there.
01:12:03.000And then, of course, the force theory is that our people were orchestrating the whole thing.
01:12:11.000Now, you've said on this broadcast that you believe only number four fits the facts, and I concur.
01:12:20.000Well, that's right, and for many people it's more comfortable to think about, well, maybe we just allowed it to happen.
01:12:28.000It seems more evil to orchestrate the whole thing, but really it doesn't make much difference in terms of the level of evil involved.
01:12:35.000And when you start looking at the details, you realize that The let-it-happen position just doesn't fit so many of the facts.
01:12:45.000Like, how did Al-Qaeda defeat the most sophisticated defense system in history?
01:12:52.000They could not have carried off even the attack on the World Trade Center.
01:12:56.000When you see Bush's behavior at the school, obviously the lead Secret Service agent had to know that that schoolhouse was not going to be a target, or they would have been out of there immediately, and so on and so on.
01:13:09.000And then you clearly have the bomb blast points going off in all three of the buildings.
01:13:22.000And then we have things like Northwoods, where the U.S.
01:13:24.000government says, we can stage our agents getting on planes, have that land somewhere else, fly a drone, blow it up, and claim young people are on board.
01:13:32.000That'll cause a helpful wave of national indignation for a pretext for World War III.
01:13:40.000We have Project Ajax going in and overthrowing Mozadek, now admitted and declassified.
01:13:45.000Our government carried out terror attacks to blame it on him, successfully.
01:13:49.000I mean, there's so many examples of that.
01:13:50.000Then we have PNAC saying we need helpful Pearl Harbor events.
01:13:54.000We have Brzezinski saying the same thing.
01:13:57.000I mean, it's just, once you start, and then you have the motive for domestic control, trillions in oil, hundreds of billions in weapons sales, no-bid contracts, it really gets clear.
01:14:07.000Yeah, and in my recent lecture, I laid out a lot of this background information.
01:14:15.000It seemed like it was helpful to people to hear that before they got into the details about the World Trade Center.
01:14:22.000I don't know if you've seen my films, but that's what I do in Road to Tyranny, that's what I do in Martial Law, that's what I did in my little book, and of course I was the first to cover this.
01:14:32.000I'm not tooting my horn, I just organically went from the position of, hey look, they admit they've done it all these times, so why are you shocked now?
01:14:44.000I find that the two a priori arguments that keep people from looking at the evidence.
01:14:50.000One is this view that such a big conspiracy could not be kept secret.
01:14:57.000And again, if people knew the history of big operations, they would know that is not true.
01:15:02.000Many, many big operations have been kept a secret.
01:15:05.000Nobody has come forward who was on the inside and talked.
01:15:09.000And the other one is simply that we wouldn't do such a thing.
01:15:13.000And again, if people knew our own history of false flag operations and terrorist campaigns, they would realize that a priori argument doesn't work either.
01:15:24.000And so you have to look at the evidence in this particular case and say, did they do it again?
01:15:31.000Exactly, and I would add the caveat that big operations do go public, but the whistleblowers get ignored because the media is owned and no one ever learns of it.
01:15:41.000Yeah, I asked yesterday at the Commonwealth Club if anybody there knew about the war that we started in Indonesia in 1957, fulmented a full-scale civil war, and nobody had...
01:15:59.000It hadn't even been revealed until 1995.
01:16:01.000Well, the average American doesn't even know that we've got tens of thousands of troops in a full-scale war in Colombia right now.
01:16:10.000So these things can be kept secret, at least from the American public.
01:16:16.000You were trying to finish up with Indonesia when I interrupted.
01:16:19.000I mean, this is pretty amazing to think that nothing came out in public Between 1957 and 1995, when George and Audrey Cahan published the book called Subversion as Foreign Policy, and still Most Americans have not heard of that, so they don't realize that there was a huge operation that was kept secret for several decades.
01:16:44.000Well, basically, you have academics and you have independent researchers who've been cloistered because of mainstream media compartmentalization.
01:16:59.000One big factor was the rise of this An organization called Scholars for 9-11 Truth.
01:17:08.000So, you know, just a while ago, people could ridicule the movement, say it's a bunch of crazies on the internet, and a few people with talk shows, and, you know, a theologian.
01:17:23.000And now there are, what, 60 or 70 full members.
01:17:29.000That means, I believe in all cases, people with PhDs.
01:17:33.000who have joined this movement and we have a, you know, they're now mechanical engineers and all the disciplines that are needed.
01:17:45.000And so it cannot be ridiculed anymore as something that only a bunch of crazies believe.
01:17:53.000And then the fact that you mentioned Charlie Sheen, the fact that there's this breakthrough that you helped instigate,
01:18:01.000uh... that got national media attention and uh... you know as soon as people become aware that these things are being talked about and look into them they can see rather immediately uh... you know as long as they don't have these a priori blinders on they can see rather immediately that the official story uh... just doesn't make sense like charlie particularly stressed building seven and uh... that is probably one of the
01:18:28.000The clearest example is that it had to be an inside job.
01:18:34.000We'll continue to talk about this breakthrough that's happened and where David Ray Griffin, Professor David Ray Griffin, believes this is going in the future.
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01:22:48.000866 no odors that's one eight six six no odors defending the human species from psychopaths that have gotten control of our society and And I am a student of history, a layman, but that is what I have done for entertainment for decades.
01:23:09.000I find history to be much more riveting than fiction.
01:23:13.000And I don't know of governments or empires or societies where evil people didn't normally get into control, where despotism and subterfuge wasn't the norm.
01:23:22.000Professor David Ray Griffin, best-selling author, One of the leaders in the 9-11 Scholar Movement, in fact, the founder, I would venture to say, of that movement.
01:23:34.000One of the first prominent people in the vanguard of that second wave we saw three years ago.
01:23:40.000Professor, from your study of history, and I know you've studied history quite a bit, I mean, was my previous statement false, or is tyranny the normal ether, and liberty a rare, delicate flower?
01:24:07.000And, uh, it is very hard to, uh, keep it.
01:24:10.000And, uh, and of course now we have people who, uh, deliberately, uh, don't want it to be kept.
01:24:17.000And, uh, and, and unfortunately, uh, in the meantime, they, uh, they co-opted the, uh, The fourth estate so that the mainstream media which we would assume would be protesting all these incursions on civil rights and all these violations of international law are for the most part remaining silent.
01:25:10.000I haven't studied it enough to speak with any authority on it, but I certainly fear that that will be the next step and that a few steps have already been taken.
01:25:27.000The problem is that the alternative media, whereas it's reaching a lot of people, is fractured.
01:25:35.000It's fractured and you don't have an organizing center, whereas with the mainstream media, you still have a large percentage of the voting public there, but when they get all hot about something, they can mobilize the masses.
01:25:51.000They can still steer the debate to a certain extent, but I see that deteriorating.
01:26:29.000Well, that's a third one that needs to come also, is some sort of mass movement.
01:26:35.000But maybe prior to that, or simultaneously, it needs to become a religious movement.
01:26:43.000So I have been speaking more directly on that recently, speaking specifically from a Christian point of view.
01:26:51.000My Madison lecture, of course, was a more general Question about what religious people in general should do insofar as we share A lot of basic moral values.
01:27:05.000We're about to break a longer segment coming up.
01:27:07.000I'd like to give you a chance, David Ray Griffin and Professor Griffin, to elaborate on that.
01:27:12.000Before we break, though, I recognized four years ago, and have spoken on this, and it's interesting that you've, I'm sure, just parallel to that, from your own instinctual level, came up with this, that 9-11 is a religious-style fable, a religion that is to promote the police state and a centralization of tyranny.
01:27:31.000And I looked at it as a generational thing, dealing with government-sponsored terror being the touchstone of a leech, that it is important to get the religious leaders off their duffs into that.
01:27:43.000So I'm very excited to be able to start learning that you've got a plan.
01:27:49.000Yeah, and I'm starting already to get an increase in emails from people who are saying, I'm working on contacting churches in this region.
01:28:15.000So just as in Germany, there was a confessing church movement that said one cannot both be a Christian and a supporter of Nazism, we need to see a similar thing here with Our various religions and American imperialism.
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01:32:41.000I guess it'll just continue on and on and on.
01:32:44.000So we'll try to get to all your calls.
01:32:49.000He just got back from several speeches and he's going to be with us until the middle of the next hour, so we have plenty of time to take your calls.
01:32:56.000We will go to calls later in this segment.
01:32:59.000We'll try to go to Joel first because he's on his dime from London, England.
01:33:04.000Professor Griffin, I don't do this, and I want to get into your religious views on this and how to make a movement in the religious circles where it needs to be.
01:33:12.000That's the black brigades of the priests and pastors that started the Revolutionary War.
01:33:18.000They were the heart, the dynamo, the fulcrum, the engine.
01:33:23.000In Heinz Hobel's Order of the Deathshead, a 900-page book I read in high school, it was all the secret Nazi communiques about how their biggest problems in occupied Europe were the Christians.
01:33:33.000Just like slavery was ended by Christians.
01:33:41.000I want to speak to that, but I want you to understand, Professor, I do not do this because of ego.
01:33:48.000The question I'm going to ask you I do this because I have been forced to because of people claiming the mantle of founder, claiming the mantle of leaders, claiming the mantle of forerunners, and then even saying you're a Johnny-come-lately and others.
01:34:04.000I'm a platform for you and Dr. Bob Bowman and Andres von Bulow and Michael Meacher and David Shaler MI5 agents and Andy Michon MI5 and Dr. Ray McGovern.
01:34:17.000I'm a platform for all of you who put everything on the line for Charlie Sheen and many others that are going to go public.
01:34:36.000And I did it because I understood what was happening because I was already an expert on government-sponsored terror and had made films about it previous to 9-11.
01:34:44.000And then I saw other people claiming that they were the leaders, the founders, when it wasn't true.
01:34:48.000They were poo-pooing involvement for six months, a year.
01:34:52.000And then now they claim they're the founders and tell us that we've got to get in line, that we've got to subscribe to their orthodoxy, and I see it as very, very dangerous.
01:35:00.000So I'd like to hear from you, who's researched this, Who do you think first talked about and exposed 9-11?
01:35:05.000I'd like to hear from you if it matters.
01:35:19.000And then to see others try to position themselves and basically rewrite history, knowing that the foundational view of any movement is a very important position to hold.
01:35:31.000Well, this is a question that I haven't dealt with.
01:35:35.000I did mention it in the New Pearl Harbor in a note.
01:35:39.000I said one problem with the book is that when I cite certain sources, they're not necessarily the original sources for these stories.
01:35:50.000For example, I appealed heavily to Paul Thompson's work and Nafis Ahmed's work But, you know, they were not founders.
01:36:19.000I mean, the way to express our gratitude to people like you and Rupert and
01:36:26.000uh... others who were there at the forefront is to get a lot more johnny's and uh... valley come lately closer understand i don't have a movement i agree with you professor i don't believe in even matters but other people then try to position themselves as grandpa laws i'm talking about orthodoxy so you agree that that doesn't matter i mean i think it's despicable i mean what is it though the important thing is what are people doing now and uh... my view is that uh...
01:36:54.000A history of the movement will need to be written, particularly if the movement is successful.
01:37:00.000And at that stage, the historians can sort out who did what and who got to what first and so on.
01:37:07.000But at this stage, I think that's a great distraction, I agree with you, and that we ought to just focus on the issues.
01:37:15.000Let me make clear that I've only addressed this two or three times in the last couple of years on air, only because I've been forced to, sir.
01:37:59.000And I can't believe there's all these prima donna egomaniacs out there running around attacking everyone, saying, you know, my way or the highway.
01:38:08.000Yeah, and these questions come up when I'm talking.
01:38:13.000What do you think about, you know, who are disinformation agents and who are Left gatekeepers and all that.
01:38:23.000I just ignore those and, you know, keep trying to focus on the issues.
01:38:29.000I totally agree, sir, and that's why I've been effective, that's why you've been effective.
01:38:33.000Give us your view on the theology, how to get in there to the churches, how to use them as their proper designation, as an engine to defend human life and liberty.
01:38:44.000Well, I think it's very important to see that This 9-11 based imperial stage that we're in now is definitely a religious movement, and one that is diametrically opposed to the basic values of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism... Explain how it's religious, because I agree, I concur, but explain.
01:39:09.000Well, it's religious in that religion has to do with having the censure in harmony With the way things really are.
01:39:20.000I think that's the most generic idea, definition of religion.
01:39:26.000It's the desire to be in harmony with the way things really are.
01:39:30.000Now, the way things really are, that can be understood as God, or that can be understood as the movement of history, like from a more Hegelian point of view.
01:39:41.000And so people who say, well you're just on the wrong side of history, They're making it a religious appeal there, and that's what goes on here.
01:39:51.000Sometimes they use explicitly the God language.
01:39:55.000Bush, immediately after 9-11, gave this sermon in the cathedral, in which he consecrated this as a religious movement that God was blessing.
01:40:08.000And believing the fraud of 9-11 as the foundational event to build this empire out of, which they even admitted in documents previous to the attack they launched, they say they're going to use it as a foundational event, it's almost like a sacrament to just mindlessly not ask questions.
01:40:22.000That's right, that it's sacrilegious to ask questions.
01:40:26.000And another feature of religion, unfortunately, most of the time, is that things are supposed to be taken on faith without proof.
01:40:38.000Now, that's not a characteristic of all religion, as some people mistakenly think, but it is a widespread tendency, and that's what we have here.
01:40:47.000And I saw an interview the other day by Ed Haas in the Muckraker Report, where he had interviewed Michael Newman, a spokesperson for NIST.
01:41:01.000The National Institute of Standards and Technology.
01:41:04.000And Haas was saying, well, you know, we've got all these scientists now who are rejecting the NIST report, and there's this great division in the country between people who believe the official theory and don't.
01:41:15.000Why don't we just have a public debate between these scientists and get this cleared up?
01:42:09.000They brought on this woman from National Geographic who was completely incapable of speaking uh...
01:42:17.000There's authority about it, and evidently they tried to get some spokesperson from the government, and no one would come on, and then as you say, the representative from the Kane Commission backed out at the last minute, so they had to cancel the show with Ed Asner and Sandra Pick.
01:42:34.000So this is a sure sign, and that's what I raised in this talk, a sure sign that the official story is a myth.
01:42:54.000Then this is what should make people really suspicious, that nobody from the Kaine Commission, the government, or NIST will come on and defend their official reports.
01:43:04.000Well, they put that little ringer in up against Berg and others, but they wouldn't get in the ring with me or Ed Asner.
01:43:13.000No, and this shows you if with their best scientists on their payroll, they're afraid to take on radio talk shows and actors, they're in very bad shape.
01:44:51.000Yeah, but I mean, you know, actual representatives of the government, if they have any confidence in their story, They should have a spokesperson they can send out to debate people whom they consider nutty conspiracy theorists.
01:45:07.000If they think that we're all so nutty, they could surely show us up in a public debate.
01:45:15.000Now, another example of this is the fact that the Commission itself wouldn't even face the facts, not even mentioning the support pillars, not even mentioning Building 7.
01:45:26.000We confronted Chairman Keene, we played the clips yesterday, but we confronted him Friday when he was here north of Austin in Georgetown at Southwestern University, and we said, why didn't you talk about Building 7?
01:45:37.000He said, oh, we didn't really look at that.
01:45:41.000Because the FEMA report had already come out saying the best scenario they could come up with to explain the collapse of Building 7 had only a low probability of occurrence.
01:45:54.000So that's, I think, why the 9-11 Commission did not look at Building 7.
01:45:58.000Well, I think Charlie Sheen was also kind of a crap for him.
01:46:02.000We didn't do this on purpose, but I think it organically developed.
01:46:05.000Let me just say something about Mr. Sheen.
01:46:08.000I know a lot of other big Hollywood people, and they're not as informed.
01:46:11.000They're very informed, but not as informed as Sheen.
01:46:13.000This guy spends hours a day researching this, and he is so informed.
01:46:20.000I think they thought in some quarters, the neocon publications, that they could attack him, but then everybody just asked the question.
01:46:26.000I mean, they'll have blogs on, say, Scripps Hour News Service, With 500 people, and there might be six people out of 500 that disagree with Sheen on the blog of a writer who was attacking Sheen, who then can't address any of his facts, just name calls.
01:46:42.000So I think it was kind of a trap for the neocons, because they went and attacked Sheen, and they even admit, London Guardian writers and others admit, that it totally blew up in their face.
01:46:51.000Yeah, and I think these percentages that On CNN, when they ask their viewership, do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the government's covering up the truth, what was it, 82, 83 percent?
01:47:12.000Well, I think it's time for somebody with some deep pockets to sponsor a Zogby poll nationwide asking the question, Do you think our own government orchestrated 9-11?
01:47:27.000And it would be very interesting to find out what the current state is of that opinion, even though the mainstream media has yet to begin to address it.
01:47:38.000I think the percentage would be pretty high already.
01:47:41.000Well, Jimmy Walter says he did a whole other Zogby I didn't know of.
01:47:44.000He's commissioned too, and he said it got similar numbers.
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01:53:24.000Yeah, I was just saying that, Alex, because I've noticed in the news you've got Hamilton Keane and the Council on Foreign Relations have been heavily talking up the threat of a new terrorist event.
01:53:35.000Yeah, we got him on tape last Friday saying we're going to get nuked, give up all your rights, the internet's bad, biometrics will save you.
01:53:42.000It's just extraordinary, really, because you can't help but interpret some of that.
01:53:46.000Is that part of that response to the things with Charlie Sheen and yourself?
01:53:51.000It's part of their fear-mongering as a bunch of criminal control freaks.
01:54:39.000Let me add, I've learned a new thing about Philip Zelikow that's just amazing.
01:54:46.000You know, one of the apparent motives for 9-11 was to get the new doctrine of preemptive warfare, preemptive preventive warfare, accepted, where we could attack other countries even though there was no imminent threat.
01:55:04.000This doctrine was first enunciated in the National Security Strategy of 2002.
01:55:14.000There hasn't been much public discussion about who was the author of that.
01:55:18.000James Mann in Rise of the Vulcans reports that first Richard Haas had written a first draft representing the State Department and Condoleezza Rice looked at it and thought it wasn't bold enough and so she brought in Zelikow to write this.
01:55:36.000So here you have that prior to becoming Executive Director of the 9-11 Commission, which was supposed to be investigating why the White House allowed these attacks to occur, he's the one who has written their primary ideological doctrine Justifying this greatly increased, increasingly bellicose foreign policy.
01:56:10.000Max Boot had called NSS 2002 a quintessentially neocon document.
01:56:19.000So this is the guy that's supposedly investigating the Bush administration, someone who holds the most bellicose views.
01:56:32.000And evidently, according to James Mann and others who've written about this, none of the others like Cheney and Rumsfeld even had to get involved, even though it sounds like their language that they were perfectly content to that representation.
01:56:52.000Well, exactly, but back to the commission, we asked Chairman Keene Friday in the press conference, we said, this is an independent, Bush appointed you.
01:57:02.000But he said, ah, yes, but I appointed the others.
01:58:15.000All 11 of them, if we have time before he leaves us.
01:58:18.000But Professor Griffin, before we go any further, tell us about your two books, tell us about websites, tell us about places to check out your work.
01:58:26.000Okay, the easiest way for my two books, the new Pearl Harbor and the 9-11 Commission report, Omissions and Distortions, is Amazon.com, but also all good bookstores locally have it.
01:58:44.000Let me also mention that I've got some new books coming out pretty soon.
01:58:48.000There's one on Christian faith and the truth behind 9-11, which Westminster John Knox will be publishing in May.
01:58:57.000They will also be doing a book that Richard Falk and John Cobb and Katherine Keller and I are doing on American Empire and the Commonwealth of God, in which there's some about 9-11.
01:59:12.000Then there are two books that Interlink is putting out.
01:59:15.000Peter Dale Scott and I are editing a book called 9-11 and the American Empire.
01:59:22.000And Kevin Barrett and John Cobb and Sandra Lubarski, a Jew, a Christian and a Muslim, are editing a book called 9-11 and the American Empire.
01:59:31.000Christian, Jews and Muslims speak out.
01:59:34.000So I mention this to reinforce what I said earlier, that both The number of scholars getting involved in this is increasing but also there is going to be a surge of religious writing about 9-11.
01:59:49.000Now I know we can't reveal a lot on air but there's a lot of other big prominent people that are very close to going public in Hollywood and in government that I know of.
01:59:58.000You know of a few others and even some other individuals that are very well known.
02:00:04.000Do you predict or do you have an inkling that any of them will start going public?
02:00:09.000At this stage I don't know, but it certainly helps because, rightly or wrongly, that's about the only way this movement gets any mainstream attention is if some people in the entertainment business speak out.
02:00:27.000Because then if the media ignores them, it makes a story of its own, of how are you ignoring this?
02:00:32.000You'll have top news if one of these people falls off their bicycle or, you know, drinks a beer, but, you know, the huge news like this, they try to ignore it.
02:00:41.000You know, the media tried to ignore the Sheen thing for a few days, but it just got too big on the web.
02:00:47.000Yeah, so you can have a physicist come out and say the World Trade Center collapses could not have occurred without Explosive.
02:00:58.000And for the most part, that's ignored, as if a physicist's word is not very important.
02:01:04.000But when Charlie Sheen comes out, it gets a lot of attention.
02:01:10.000Now, that's, you know, I mean, I think that's great that Charlie could do this, and it'll be great if other people can do it, because unfortunately, the way our culture is now, That is about the only way to break through.
02:01:27.000I mean, he did this selflessly, and then it made me angry to see some of the so-called minority of the 9-11 people criticize him when he did them a huge favor.
02:01:36.000Yeah, and it was very good that it was somebody who, as you said, had done his homework so that he was making points that other people could then defend.
02:01:47.000Well, Charlie, I know listens to the rebroadcast of this show.
02:02:06.000We're going to break here in a moment and come back and just take a raft of calls.
02:02:10.000But just to give people kind of a taste, what are a few of the other little tidbits or issues, you know, things you want to talk about when we get back?
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02:07:12.000Now, I do have a question that is really synchronized exactly with what you've been talking about today.
02:07:20.000I'm a Christian, you're a Christian, we know that the New World Order is totally satanic, which you've covered in your films and stuff.
02:07:29.000This is something that people don't know, you know, how the New World Order, we know they've captured the mainstream media, for instance, but the average person has no idea about their involvement in the mainstream church.
02:07:40.000And I don't know if we've covered that.
02:07:43.000You know, enough to really get that out there.
02:07:44.000Well, governments, I mean, look at China, look at Russia, they always try to take over and use the churches as their organs, and the neocons have been doing that quite effectively.
02:07:52.000Do you have a question or comment for our guest?
02:07:55.000Uh, well, just, you know, maybe he can comment on a few of the, of the way the New World Order is going to have to use, you know, the religious, uh, organized people.
02:08:57.000The early church was anti-imperialistic, and it's because the values of empire are almost always diametrically opposed to basic religious values.
02:09:08.000Oh, and by the way, Hitler tried to misinterpret Romans 13 to lay down the government, when the entire Bible says the opposite, and the prophets were almost universally killed for resisting tyranny.
02:09:19.000Yeah, so I tell you, I've been stressing more the The spiritual nature of this.
02:09:24.000One factor is just the very way we understand this reality that we call God or use some other term for.
02:09:34.000Uh, this is a, you know, a life-creating force.
02:09:38.000That's what the sacred reality of the universe is.
02:09:43.000In fact, I have this in my notes and never had asked it.
02:09:45.000I mean, if there isn't a dark side and a light side, look at how John Yoo says they can torture people's children sexually in front of their parents.
02:10:05.000Cheney running around throwing fits, screaming and cussing at people.
02:10:08.000I mean, clearly you can see that they serve those that love death.
02:10:12.000Yeah, and one of the theological bases for this is a view of the divine reality as primarily a destructive force.
02:10:20.000So, you know, just with recent tornadoes, one official called it the wrath of God.
02:10:29.000And when people do that, given the fact that religion has to do with the desire to be in harmony with the ultimate, with the divine reality, they can convince people that by murdering, by slaughtering enemies, that they're somehow in line with the divine reality.
02:10:48.000But Christ said, suffer the little ones to come unto me, and it'd be better for you to throw yourself in the ocean with a big rock tied around your neck than to hurt some innocent.
02:10:57.000And these people just love hurting innocents.
02:11:00.000Yeah, so I would hope that the Christian right would start focusing on the Christian part of that more than the right-wing part because they're using Christianity to justify policies that are diametrically opposed to any basic Christian values or values that are found in all the great religions of the world.
02:11:25.000Okay, let's go ahead and take another call.
02:11:28.000Let's speak with Fred in Pennsylvania.
02:12:19.000We need to support alternative networks like Genesis.
02:12:22.000But, you know, I've heard the people out there say, oh, send me a bunch of money and we're going to start a big network, a big TV network, and it doesn't happen.
02:12:28.000I think the key is at grassroots level.
02:12:33.000There is an alternative coming on that I don't know much about, but what I've heard thus far sounds pretty promising.
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02:12:48.000And I don't know enough about it to recommend it, but I think it's something worth looking into.
02:12:55.000Well, certainly as the spectrum of media gets larger and larger, you're going to see hundreds of new little networks forming.
02:13:00.000It's just that I think that the age of big centralized systems, by the nature of the direction the media is going, are dinosaurs, even Rupert Murdoch.
02:13:10.000has said that, so I really do appreciate that caller's call.
02:13:14.000Let's go ahead now and talk to, I guess the next person up is Doug in Arizona.
02:13:53.000Well, if you check into the UN Charter, they have divided the Earth into ten regions or kingdoms.
02:13:59.000And they say everybody in those regions is allowed to migrate, yeah.
02:14:03.000Exactly, so that's what they're doing is they're bringing the Mexican and the Canadians and we're all going to be one in this global, one world government.
02:14:11.000And what they're going to also do is they've created the problem of the illegal immigrants and that, the only way to solve that problem We'll be to put the injectable ID chips into those folks.
02:14:22.000Well, they're certainly trying to use a national ID card as the first step towards that, so I agree with you.
02:14:30.000Debra Rae Griffin, your comment on companies making their employees take chips, the Mexican Attorney General making his employees take chips, is that scary?
02:14:41.000I try to not speak about things I don't know much about, and that's something I don't know much about.
02:15:00.000First of all, I just want to thank David Ray Griffin for coming on and doing the interview today.
02:15:05.000I have to agree with the caller two calls ago that said the phone lines were crystal clear.
02:15:09.000I've never been able to call in in here so clearly.
02:15:12.000I wanted to mention, you know, you guys said that nobody would come on and debate you, Alex, or Ed Asner, and the reason for that is because they don't have any Well, I mean, I think that's right.
02:15:27.000They don't have anything to throw back to them.
02:15:29.000Oh, most of the people on their side know they did it, and they don't want to be under the hot lights knowing that they're part of a murdering operation.
02:15:36.000Let me get a comment from David Red Griffin on that, David.
02:16:13.000I've been trying to get on your show for a while.
02:16:15.000I'm an electrical engineer and I'm also a member of 9-11, a scholar for 9-11, Truth.
02:16:21.000And one of the things I wanted to point out is what I've been doing individually, I don't have a radio network like you do or something, is I go and I print out stuff from your site and also I Cut CDs, and I pass them out to people individually, and I get the information out... Wonderful.
02:17:00.000Uh, one of the things is, uh, one of the books I'd like to recommend in addition to your guest books are The Creature from Jekyll Island, A Second Look at the Federal Reserve, and also something called The Medusophile, We've interviewed him many times.
02:17:17.000I intend to get him back on in the near future.
02:17:23.000Alright, we're going to come back in our final segment with David Ray Griffin and get any final comments from him.
02:17:30.000We'll take a few more calls and I'll continue in the last 30 minutes taking calls and getting more into this UT professor that wants to kill 90% of us.
02:17:37.000We've got a clip of what he had to say as well.
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02:22:05.000Mr. Griffin, before we take a few calls and close out here, do you think we're going to win this fight?
02:22:11.000I know you don't like to project into the future, but it's got to be heartening to see that in major polls, the majority of Americans agree with us, it's an inside job.
02:22:18.000The global controllers are going to have a big problem as people say, look, the world is round.
02:22:25.000It ain't flat like you keep trying to tell us.
02:22:28.000And don't tell us it's religious dogma.
02:23:18.000Yes, that's a big AIPAC report, very scholarly, admitting that... Sir, listen, the Communist Chinese have most of our major ports and run security.
02:23:31.000Our highways are being taken over by the King of Spain, who owns the company Sentra, to taxes the equivalent of $3 a gallon.
02:23:38.000I mean, it's just, we're totally being sold out to these international crime syndicates.
02:23:43.000Any comments on that, David Ray Griffin?
02:23:47.000I've been on the road and working on speeches and I haven't had a chance to read the Walt Merzheimer piece, but it certainly has evoked enormous controversy and it does suggest that where there's smoke, there's fire.
02:24:07.000Well, I agree with you and I appreciate the caller's call and I appreciate his important question.
02:26:03.000That's right, and that seems so obvious.
02:26:06.000Um, that, uh, it's just very puzzling.
02:26:09.000Well, I gotta be honest with you, Professor.
02:26:11.000I debated him for an hour, and I mean, and I've talked to a lot of professors, a lot of people that are just esteemed and I really respect, like yourself.
02:26:18.000I mean, I interviewed Nobel laureates in science routinely.
02:26:21.000This guy, he just didn't know anything.
02:26:23.000And I'm tired of hearing how smart he is.
02:26:27.000Well, you can be very smart and be ignorant about certain things that you, as a matter of principle, refuse to investigate, and that seems to be his attitude here, because he has a view that's called structuralism, that leads him to believe that the government simply wouldn't do this sort of thing because they don't need to, and he thinks that people who are involved in talking about conspiracy are individualists.
02:26:54.000So he has a principle reason for doing it.
02:26:59.000But as you say, it is religious in that I choose not to believe it so I don't look at it, but then I tell you you're wrong without looking at it.
02:27:06.000David Ray Griffin, I want to thank you for joining us.
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02:30:41.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
02:30:55.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
02:31:02.000I'm gonna take four or five, maybe even more calls.
02:31:07.000And I want to spend about five minutes at least just recapping and adding some more data to this Professor Death, this pianka, who says 90% of us need to die or die now, and how that ties into the globalist operation here in just a few minutes.
02:31:19.000But I was listening on the radio the other day and heard an old Guns N' Roses song, and it talks about how when Kennedy got killed, you know, when I learned the truth, you know, basically woke me up and then made me kind of go into my shell.
02:31:33.000It talks about how the government's committing genocide basically against us and how it's the people against the government.
02:31:39.000I mean, there's so many of these songs out there that we just kind of ignore and glaze over.
02:31:43.000So here's a song from the, I guess, late 80s, early 90s, I forget.
02:31:48.000But I thought I'd roll at least part of this song.
02:33:04.000The way we've always done before I am tonight A billion gifts from side to side And the walls go on, we'll bring more pride For the love of God and I win right And all these things are swept at night
02:33:32.000Where bloody hell, time can't deny And I'm washed away by a genocide And history hides the lives of all civil wars
02:34:00.000And the black on men when they shot the men who sick Peace to the world, time can't deny And the black on men when they shot the men who sick Peace to the world, time can't deny And the black on men when they shot the men who sick Peace could last forever.
02:34:24.000I think my first memories, they shot Kennedy.
02:34:34.000We got the wall of deceit to remind us all.
02:34:38.000That you can't trust freedom when it's not in your hands When everybody's fighting for the promised land I don't need a civil war Exceeds the rig while it measures the war Your power is always so good enough You and your soul restore your death breath
02:35:06.000I don't need a civil war Welcome back All right, well, it's Guns N' Roses and Roses.
02:36:22.000So let me read a couple of choice quotes.
02:36:23.000And I want to make it clear that one thing if Noam Chomsky were to say, well, some of these points are controversial, I have yet to investigate them, but it's beyond that.
02:36:52.000Well, listen, I'm a college student, so I've encountered this.
02:36:55.000I know that most of the social activists have been brainwashed by these left gatekeepers who know exactly what they're doing.
02:37:00.000So let me read you a quote here by the professor.
02:37:02.000He says, on 9-11, he says, if the left spends any time on this, that's the end of the left, in my opinion.
02:37:08.000The mainstream would be utterly delighted.
02:37:10.000It is highly unlikely that anything significant will be found.
02:37:13.000And if it is, which I greatly doubt something's found, which would quickly send everyone in Washington In Washington, the death chamber, the left is unlikely to emerge triumphant on Operation Northwood thesis.
02:37:26.000Operation Northwood is only one of the many examples for being skeptical about your theory.
02:37:35.000Thus, it's conceivable that everyone in the White House is totally insane.
02:37:38.000And in my opinion, it would have had to have been to try something that would have very likely turned into an utter fiasco and a sudden miracle could have succeeded.
02:40:45.000Alright, well listen, I really appreciate your call, and it's exciting to hear that stuff's going on.
02:40:50.000By the way, we carry Loose Change 2, an excellent film, at InfoWars.com.
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02:41:05.000We're extending it for another week, and then that's it.
02:41:43.000I've been in this fight with you a long time, and I'd like to say something real fast.
02:41:48.000I think everybody, all the lonely patriots out there, ought to buy two tickets to the National Lottery, and if one of us wins, we need to sue the New World Order, because they're on record now, the Bush Administration, and start a bunch of private radio stations to spread the word.
02:42:29.000But you know, that sits on hitting the jackpot, or sits on that idea of beating them all at once, and that kind of rests on the idea of then having luck to win the lottery.
02:42:40.000And I believe most lotteries are staged.
02:42:45.000Maybe once a year, I do it every weekend if I could, you know, I love a poker game.
02:42:50.000Nothing wrong with going and betting a few dollars or piles of quarters just to make it fun.
02:42:56.000The reason I don't like gambling is that I line up to try to buy milk, say, at 10 o'clock at night on a Friday night because my wife calls me and says, bring some milk home, honey.
02:43:04.000And I see all these poor people lined up buying tickets.
02:43:06.000They buy three or four and they go, oh, I've got to have three or four more.
02:43:09.000And they scratch those and come back in.
02:43:10.000And you just see that while you're gassing your car up or whatever.
02:43:15.000And there might be five, ten people, sometimes twenty if it's the big lottery night, lined up just hoping above all hope they're going to win.
02:43:23.000Whereas they took that money and invested it in a little business.
02:43:26.000Maybe a tire repair place, or cleaning people's windshields and invested it over the years, or mowing lawns and got enough money to hire a few helpers.
02:43:36.000They could end up living in a $200,000 house and going on vacation, putting their kids through college.
02:43:39.000I've got a lot of friends that got degrees and they run lawn companies now.
02:43:45.000They run lawn companies now and make good living.
02:43:48.000But instead, my problem is it hits the poor.
02:43:51.000Hey, you've got millions of dollars, you want to go gamble?
02:43:55.000I mean, that's basically what fishing is.
02:44:16.000I mean, look at the Romans playing dice over Christ's cloak.
02:44:20.000I remember one time, there's a casino right down the road from where the network was based in Minnesota, an Indian Casino, and that was the cheapest hotel that was nice, put me in, so Ted Anderson put me up and out with my wife, and I waddled on downstairs and I got, you know, I play a little blackjack, my wife won, but I just keep playing because I'm not saying, you know, like, oh my gosh, if you gamble, you're going to go to hell, it's just, it's really destructive and bad.
02:44:43.000And I see our whole economy kind of switching over to this.
02:44:51.000I just don't know what to say about it.
02:44:56.000It's just, there's tried and true ways to make money, and if you knew the statistics of winning the lottery, and then if you knew the fraud involved with it, I mean, it's been proven, it's state by state, it's a mafia thing, and it's just a joke.
02:45:08.000Okay, I've said enough, I'm just going to take two more calls, because, let's just jam through them quickly, we'll see how many we get to.
02:45:15.000Robert in Texas, you're on the air, Robert, go ahead.
02:45:22.000I just wanted to let you know that there's a website called archive.org and you might be able to find the stuff that CIA took down on that website.
02:45:30.000They pretty much back up the entire internet.
02:45:33.000Oh I know and they've got a whole bunch of my films up there too.
02:45:37.000Okay, and the only other thing I wanted to say was that this weekend, a little bit west of Austin, is a big festival in Dripping Springs, Texas.
02:45:45.000And I was going to pass out some flyers to do, you know, to promote you, but I don't know what exactly I should put on them.
02:45:51.000Do you have something on your site that I could... I got an idea!
02:45:55.000Get a PrisonPlanet.tv membership, or if you have any of my original DVDs, because they're higher quality, burn 50 copies of that.
02:46:01.000Cost you about 50 bucks or less and hand those out with just learn the truth about 9-11.
02:46:05.000That'll be the most effective thing you can do, sir.
02:46:07.000And it's really great hearing from you.
02:46:09.000I'm sorry I'm having to move so quick.
02:46:50.000Hi Alex, I wanted to mention real quick, I didn't get to mention it before, I have in my hands the metallurgical analysis done by Dr. Frank Gale, and I passed that out, and I've emailed that to you, I wish you could put it on your site.
02:47:04.000Well we have an underwater laboratories engineer that looked at it saying it's impossible, and it's made up to.
02:47:11.000And you can see the electromicrographs of the steel and know that none of the steel got above the temperature of an ordinary commercial oven.
02:47:22.000Okay, so therefore... Yeah, why doesn't the oven melt?
02:47:50.000And also, too, the architectural requirements for that is the theoretical, the actual maximum load for a floor was one-sixth of the theoretical according to the engineering standards.
02:48:04.000Sir, we know they blew up Tower 1 and 2, and they certainly blew up 7 way down the street that was only hit by some dust.
02:48:11.000Yes, and appendix, section 8 of appendix C of the FEMA report says that there is severe oxidation and sulfidication of the steel, which is an unusual event for the fire, and of course it's entirely ignored, and that can only be produced by RDX or a thermite explosive that is meant to take out steel.
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02:51:56.000Well, reports of a University of Texas scientist's plans for mass extermination of the human race got our attention today.
02:52:03.000So, tonight we're getting to the bottom of a controversial theory that is spawning death threats on campus and controversy across the country.
02:52:11.000K-10's Rich Parsons is live at UT with more Rich.
02:52:15.000Rochelle, this has been the buzz around campus all day.
02:52:17.000Some are accusing a UT professor of advocating genocide as a way to control the world's population.
02:53:20.000He believes criticism of his theory about an inevitable plague on mankind comes from a rival.
02:53:26.000Jealous about his Distinguished Scientist Award from the Texas Academy of Science.
02:53:31.000He's an avowed enemy and he's made this very clear that he's going to get me and take me down.
02:53:36.000But Dr. Pianca has the full backing of UT behind him, as radical as his ideas may seem.
02:53:42.000We have a lot of different points of view on the University of Texas at Austin campus, and we certainly support our faculty in saying what they think.
02:53:52.000After 50 years of ecological study and authoring nearly 20 books, Dr. Pianca thinks the world's in trouble And just wants everyone to know.
02:54:00.000We're taking over the earth and not leaving anything for anything else.
02:54:46.000And there are prestigious reports and eyewitnesses and multiple scientists filing official complaints with him over what he said.
02:54:52.000And the chairman of the Environmental Sciences Division of the Texas Academy of Scientists, who was there and is on the board, is one of our witnesses, but now we have the tapes.
02:55:02.000He was in the Statesman Saturday with his Ebola plush toy saying how great it would be.
02:55:07.000But when the light gets shined on these cockroaches, they freak out.
02:55:11.000And I guarantee you those emails said things like, Hey, if it's so great, how about your family?
02:55:17.000It's just like the Scripps Hour News Service claimed I sent her an email calling her a whore, and then I made Scripps Hour News Service retract it because it turned out they looked at it and it wasn't even true.