Join Alex Jones and his guest, Dr. Daniel Ganser, as they discuss a variety of topics, including: 1. UK soldier jailed for refusing to go to Iraq 2. Royal Air Force doctor arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to 8 months in a stockade 3. Texas stops arresting drunks in bars after public outcry 4. Operation Last Call program suspended after public outrage 5. More British soldiers are being jailed for not going to Iraq. 6. More UK soldiers are getting into trouble with the law. 7. More illegal aliens are being arrested and stoned in the streets. 8. Terrorist attacks are being carried out by Western governments. 9. Western governments are carrying out terror attacks, staging terrorist attacks, hiring provocateurs, you name it, it s all coming up in the second hour.
00:00:13.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:17.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:21.000Coming up in the next hour, joining us from Europe is Dr. Daniel Ganser. - He's an expert in geo-strategy and security, secret warfare, business and human rights, peace research, and of course, I can't even tell you about some of his titles and some of the work he does as a condition of the interviews.
00:00:46.000I mean, that's how high level this gentleman is.
00:00:50.000And he's written a book several years ago, NATO's Secret Army, Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe.
00:01:08.000Western governments carrying out terror attacks, staging terror attacks, hiring provocateurs, you name it.
00:01:14.000It's all coming up in the second hour.
00:01:19.000In the meantime, our plate is extremely full on this live Friday edition.
00:01:25.000UK soldier jailed for refusing to go to Iraq.
00:01:31.000The doctor, RFA doctor, jailed for refusal to go to Iraq.
00:01:39.000And we'll get into this report and some of the quotes and some of the things that he is saying.
00:01:44.000Royal Air Force doctor arrested, tried, convicted.
00:01:49.000He's going to spend, what, eight months in the stockade.
00:01:53.000Also, Texas stops arresting drunks in bars.
00:01:57.000Operation Last Call program suspended after public outcry.
00:02:01.000This is good news, showing that standing up against the insane police state can have an effect, but it dovetails with the police before someone had even been indicted or tried for drug charges, trying to rip their gold caps out of their teeth.
00:02:17.000I mean, again, in Nazi Germany, they waited until you were dead to do such things.
00:02:22.000And then we have other police state activities I want to cover.
00:02:24.000Random weapon scans in New York City schools.
00:02:27.000More Britons have DNA held by police in the rest of the world.
00:02:31.000And how it dovetails with several other reports.
00:02:34.000New developments with all the illegal aliens and the staged protests and demonstrations around the country.
00:02:42.000We'll be getting into that and we'll open the phones up for you to join us on air.
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00:04:16.000There's going to be some big new 9-11 developments this weekend.
00:04:23.000I can't tell you what those developments are going to be, but you can tell I get pleasure out of lancing the New World Order boils, and this is definitely a big lancing that's going to happen.
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00:08:39.000government and European terror attacks from the 1950s, 60s, 70s into the 80s crowned by things like the Bologna bombing killing over a hundred people that were blamed on their political enemies.
00:08:55.000Let me just plunge right into the news right now.
00:09:00.000UK soldier jailed for refusing to go to Iraq.
00:09:03.000A British Air Force doctor who refused to go to Iraq was jailed for eight months on Thursday after being found guilty by a court-martial of disobeying orders.
00:09:12.000Australian-born Malcolm Kendall Smith refused to go to Iraq in 2005, arguing the war was a crime.
00:09:20.000The judge ruled that the British presence in Iraq was legal and told the five officer panel acting as a jury to ignore the officer's arguments.
00:09:28.000The case is the first of its kind in Britain over the war in Iraq.
00:09:33.000Sat motionless as the president of the panel pronounced him guilty of five counts, one for refusing to go to Iraq and four for refusing to train and prepare.
00:09:44.000Kendall Smith's lawyer Phillip Samsford described him to the court as a man of great moral courage.
00:09:51.000And I would add to this that we were in contact with his lawyer yesterday and trying to get Can't get him on.
00:10:27.000Because if you try to skip around between sometimes a hundred stories on the computer, the computer will freeze up or you can't get to your document in the stack as we call it in talk radio.
00:10:50.000Kendall told the military hearing that he refused to serve in Basra, Iraq last July because he did not want to be complicit with an act of aggression contrary to international law.
00:11:01.000He said, I have evidence that the Americans were on par with Nazi Germany with his actions in the Persian Gulf.
00:11:06.000I have documents in my possession which support my Assertions, this is on the basis of that, on ongoing acts of aggression in Iraq and systematically applied war crimes provide a moral equivalent between the US and Nazi Germany.
00:11:21.000And then he went on to say, I paraphrase, I'm having trouble finding it, he said the Ministry of Defense's actions in convicting me only reaffirm what I already knew and that he is basically very pleased now to serve eight months in prison for what he believes in.
00:11:42.000So, let me just dovetail this with what happened three weeks ago.
00:11:48.000One of the top men, he's an officer, in special air services for decades, as highly decorated as it gets, with the highest marks the BBC reported, and the London Telegraph reported, we wrote articles about it, that you can get.
00:12:30.000It's basically a bunch of military James Bonds is what they are.
00:12:35.000And then the James Bond type characters are recruited out of SAS.
00:12:40.000And he said that we are engaging in murder, we are engaging in crimes, we are stirring up crises on purpose, and he'd already been there for three years in the most heavy combat they've seen.
00:13:19.000See, they didn't want to make a martyr out of this guy, but they took this doctor, Mr. Smith, Dr. Smith, who has a medical degree, medical doctor, and he also has a top PhD in philosophy, And his philosophy professors are coming out and saying that his dissertation was one of the best PhDs in philosophy they'd ever seen.
00:13:45.000And by the way, his dissertation was on good and evil.
00:13:48.000And saying, contrary to what Nietzsche and others said, that there is good and evil.
00:14:45.000I want to find the quote and read the quote that he had to say, that he had to say about this because It is so vitally important that we understand the moral stand people are taking.
00:15:04.000By the way, remember three weeks ago it was on Fox News.
00:15:07.000He's a contributor there, not for long.
00:15:31.000And he said, in fact we're going to write another article on this, but we wrote an article about the SAS officer and the Delta Force founder.
00:15:39.000He's founding commander, the founder from Austin, Texas and died a few years ago, but he's the founding commander.
00:15:47.000The person that first commanded Delta Force.
00:15:49.000And he went public and said the war is staged.
00:16:17.000These are top SAS officers, top Delta Force officers, RAF, again, Royal Air Force doctors.
00:16:27.000These are the creme de la creme of the military.
00:16:30.000What, in the last week, two former Iraq U.S.
00:16:34.000generals at the highest levels have gone public, saying Rumsfeld needs to resign, we're stirring up crises, it's insane that they want to attack Iran.
00:16:45.000And these individuals, almost universally, are conservatives.
00:17:11.000All the analysts say that Iraq has now become a laboratory, a laboratory, a factory of real terrorists.
00:17:18.000Which, if you read Pentagon Plan P2OG, six billion funding a year, it is meant to, quote, stir up terrorists, create terrorists, create crises as an excuse and a pretext for U.S.
00:18:04.000The war is designed to go on as long as possible to make the defense contractors more money, and the contractors that serve the troops more money and serve the contractors more money and more importantly it's meant as a domestic distraction according to Bush's own biographer his own autobiography look at our sources of information out of their own mouths out of the horse's mouths it is about using Iraq as a military launch base to project force into the region
00:18:34.000It is a fraud, it is a lie, and people who are supporting this because they think George Bush is conservative, you're on the wrong side of history!
00:18:46.000Our troops are breathing depleted uranium.
00:18:51.000Their birth defects universally tripled after the first Gulf War, they have now more than quadrupled.
00:18:58.000Time Magazine, it's admitted, it's not hidden.
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00:25:16.000As far as illegal immigration is concerned, I was looking at Michelle Malkin's website on the subject, and these illegal immigrants I'm not just here to work jobs that Americans will not work.
00:26:07.000You'll see massive amounts of people going out into the streets, white, blacks, and Hispanics, all fighting each other like Bosnia and Herzegovina.
00:26:16.000And then UN troops will come into this country, crackheads, The borders will be sealed, except it will keep guys like us in, and we will all be put into camps where our organs will be taken out.
00:26:29.000That will be the end of America as we know it.
00:26:31.000It will be like the movie V for Vendetta.
00:27:38.000In fact, Paul put a question mark on the headline.
00:27:40.000I told him to take the question mark off that Bush and Fox hired Bush's big PR firm that he uses for his elections and Fox used back in December to stage these demonstrations and we've tracked it right back to it and the PR firm said we're going to defeat that legislation.
00:27:58.000The legislation making illegal aliens who are already illegal felons.
00:28:01.000Making the local police enforce the law.
00:28:05.000Making the federal police enforce the law.
00:28:09.000And yes, instead of us all living in peace together as whites, hispanics, and blacks do here in Austin at least, everybody gets along pretty darn good.
00:28:17.000The government and the media is about making us see our differences.
00:28:20.000See, in the name of a lot of this multiculturalism, it's the opposite.
00:28:23.000It's actually showing the differences.
00:28:26.000Getting all the quote minority groups that are now the majority, Hispanics in the southwest of the majority, to think that whites are out to get them, then to get whites to think Hispanics are out to get them, and to get us all at each other's throats.
00:29:05.000A very important article up on PrisonPlanet.com right now.
00:29:09.000A foreign government Has come into America, hired a PR firm, worked in tandem with the media, the Spanish media, the English-speaking media, to propagandize the American people, to back us off, because there's a real grassroots revolution against these open borders and our sovereignty being destroyed.
00:29:30.000The good news is the first week and a half of protest were nothing but Mexican flags.
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00:34:50.000If, indeed, fake doctored video has been used by the networks, which we know the American people are... Ma'am, ma'am, I talked to personal family friends of mine that I've known for over a decade who saw the second plane hit.
00:35:03.000Maybe they think they saw a plane hit, but the fact of the matter is... And maybe there's space aliens in the basement of the Capitol Building.
00:35:10.000At least two of the flights aren't even on the BTS database.
00:35:13.000Those would be flight 11 and flight 77.
00:35:43.000If the media is broadcasting fake doctored video, we have to put that out there and we have to explain to people the manner in which it's being used.
00:35:52.000Well, man, what I'm telling you is, do you think it was holograms or blue screen?
00:35:56.000No one has said that I know it was holograms.
00:35:58.000I'm convinced, I'm absolutely convinced that at least one of those videos is fake.
00:36:03.000You can see it when you walk through it frame by frame.
00:36:05.000There is no impact when the object hits the tower.
00:36:08.000Now, I don't want to get into a discussion of the specifics of what specific technologies were used to create fake doctored video material.
00:36:18.000I was feeling pretty good, Gene, but I've got a headache now.
00:36:24.000I guess it's a question of just how much, how critical you consider the media to the whole brainwashing of the American public.
00:36:30.000Well, there's a thousand times a thousand different points I'm integrating, Jane.
00:36:35.000Tell you what, let me put you on hold just so I'm not distracted and I'll go back to you and let you comment on what I'm about to say.
00:36:46.000Psychopaths, if you've studied criminology, do the same thing with different variants on that main theme over and over again.
00:36:55.000And in Operation Northwoods, the official U.S.
00:36:57.000government document planning 9-11 style attacks with hijacked jets, which is official, admitted, declassified, public, reported on even by ABC News and Baltimore Sun, the government says they will stage CIA operatives getting on board aircraft that take off in plain view at public airports, at international airports.
00:37:19.000They take off and go somewhere else, and then drones, cargo planes, dressed up like passenger planes, are blown up, and a fake manifest is issued publicly.
00:37:31.000Preferably, it's said with young people, students on board, because that will cause a helpful wave of national indignation to be focused on Cuba, and then, of course, the widening war that they wanted to have with the Soviet Union.
00:37:46.000It was real in 1967, when President Johnson and Defense Secretary McNamara parked 14 miles off the coast of Egypt, the USS Liberty, and then with unmarked Israeli planes, it was a deal with the U.S.
00:38:00.000and Israel, I had the admirals on, the JAG officers, this is all public now, attack that ship To blame it on Egypt, and they attempted to sink it and kill all aboard and strafe the life rafts to blame it on Egypt.
00:38:13.000And then when the ship asked for help with an emergency transmitter that the Israelis hadn't shot away, they were jamming the American signals.
00:38:20.000The pilot, one of the pilots admits, of the two wings that attacked it, that they were ordered to attack and knew it was American and tried to refuse and were threatened with court martial over the radio.
00:38:29.000All these people, this is public, not debatable.
00:38:32.000They didn't go stick a fake one out there, okay?
00:38:39.000Gladio, all these attacks, they're real.
00:38:42.000They blew up real mosques, they killed real religious leaders, they shot real crowds of people.
00:38:47.000In 1953 to bring down Mozadek and Iran, Kermit Roosevelt and CIA and MI6 together in tandem.
00:38:53.000We have the publicly released after-action reports from Kermit Roosevelt to Tim Downing Street and to President Eisenhower.
00:39:02.000I talked to Jimmy Wright, good family friend of mine, I've stayed at his home many times, good friends with him and his family, structural engineer, that day, within an hour or two of it happening, live on air, had him on, saying clearly there were bombs in the building, clearly controlled demolition.
00:39:17.000He heard the first plane hit, got up and was watching, and they'd already evacuated and got downstairs, and he saw the second one hit.
00:39:24.000We ought to dig that out and play that again.
00:39:56.000And I have challenged everyone in the 9-11 Truth Movement.
00:39:58.000I haven't told you what to say or what to do or what to believe.
00:40:01.000I get criticized because I say I'm not going to focus on the Pentagon.
00:40:04.000Obviously the story we're being told isn't true.
00:40:06.000I'm not going to focus on this or that because it's honey pots meant to create a big debate.
00:40:11.000And believe me, I could have sold a lot of videos if I did do that.
00:40:14.000I focused on prior knowledge, government involvement, NORAD stand down, Bin Laden being CIA, Marvin Bush running security, bombs in the buildings, Building 7 getting blown up, drills that were carried out that day.
00:40:27.000Bush signing W199I, ordering the FBI not to stop Al Qaeda.
00:40:32.000You can convince college students, and you can convince mom and pop, and you can convince Sally Soccer Mom and Joe Sixpack with the Pentagon business and all the rest of it, and that's fine and dandy and I've left that to others.
00:40:59.000I can convince big high-powered individuals by not putting on a case where it's nebulous things that look suspicious but I can't prove one way or the other.
00:41:11.000I win with the people that count, and America wins when we focus on the issues that cannot be debated, that they cannot get around, that are absolute fact.
00:41:24.000And the fact is, criminal elements of our government planned, funded, executed, and then engaged in the propaganda of the aftermath of 9-11.
00:41:36.000And saying there was blue screen and holograms is the kiss of death.
00:41:41.000Let me give you another piece of evidence of that.
00:42:37.000Start out with them on Mozadek and Iran.
00:42:42.000Start out where you can go to CIA.gov, where it's all admitted, where they've shot their mouths off, where they carried out terror attacks, or staged events, or provocateured, You see, if I'm a prosecutor and I got a thousand pieces, two thousand pieces of evidence, I'm going to put on the fifty to the jury that cannot be debated.
00:43:07.000I'm not going to put on the evidence to the police officers listening right now, to the detectives, to the people out there that understand dealing with crime scenes and crime and evidence.
00:43:17.000I'm not going to put on the stuff that isn't bulletproof.
00:43:20.000I'm gonna put on the cast-iron, iron-side, iron-bellied, armored, plaz-steel fat.
00:43:33.000Look, one of the first things that I looked for in the first 24 hours of 9-11 were airport security video cam evidence that, in fact, hijackers, the hijackers who they claimed to have hijacked these planes, Actually boarded the planes that they were alleged to be on.
00:43:48.000And they could only do it in one case?
00:43:51.000And they could simply show them going through the security checkpoint into the gates?
00:44:03.000And that was only, and I agree with you, and that was only, and that was only going through the security checkpoint, not going through the gate onto the plane?
00:44:11.000Bottom line, we never got any Security cam video from Logan, from Newark, or from Dallas.
00:44:18.000And there's only 20.1% on all four of the flights.
00:44:21.000Computer malfunctions, two airlines, they're landing planes, the governor says, in Ohio at airports and putting them in the military hangars with the same flight numbers.
00:44:30.000Something really weird went on, Jane, but listen, you're never going to be able to prove exactly what went on.
00:45:40.000I don't even know what the caller is bringing up here specifically.
00:45:44.000But one time I got on air, one time in twelve years, not five times, not twenty times, not a hundred times, one time.
00:45:54.000And I said, call the White House, pretty risky for me, and tell them, don't attack the World Trade Center and don't blame it on your asset bin Laden.
00:46:02.000And I said, it's going to happen, call them, stop them.
00:46:05.000From sources I have, from intelligence, from my own research.
00:46:10.000What happened a month after I put out my alert?
00:46:12.000Dr. Tania Karajanian, Chief Economist for Vladimir Putin, went public and said they're going to attack the World Financial Center, the main financial center of the world in New York, lower Manhattan.
00:46:57.000I said, they'll claim that the Gregorian calendar was wrong, and then it's really in two years, because they can keep book sales going that way.
00:47:33.000saying that we're going to be nuked on this day and then when Texas City doesn't get nuked on this day okay now we're going to be nuked on this day and now we're going to be nuked on this day now we're going to be nuked on this day and a lot of people have bitten on this I remember Tex Mars calling me two and a half years ago and going Alex have you gotten a call from this individual Tex is really smart by the way former Air Force intelligence
00:48:02.000Space and aeronautics professor, best-selling author, pastor.
00:48:06.000And I said, he goes, what's your feeling on this person?
00:48:09.000And I go, I think they're probably an operative.
00:48:12.000And he said, I agree with you, that's what I thought.
00:48:15.000Person calls up, I want to come by your office, I want to talk about the attack on Texas City that's coming.
00:48:18.000It was like two and a half, three years ago.
00:48:20.000It's going to happen in a couple months, I want to come warn you.
00:48:23.000Text is like, no thanks, have a nice day.
00:48:26.000I'm contacted by the same people, no thanks, I'll talk to you later.
00:48:30.000Over and over again it's going to happen, over and over again it doesn't happen, over and over again people bite, over and over again I get a headache.
00:48:40.000Now the people who really will carry out a terror attack, who you've got to watch, the CFR, or the people that are privy to knowledge of those that will, came out three years ago and said Dallas, Cleveland, Denver, Will be hit by A-bombs.
00:49:05.000News and World Report in late 2004, before the election, I should say mid, that the Capitol would be hit by a massive attack bigger than 9-11.
00:49:27.000And it would be really easy for me if I wanted to instantly have the top story, instantly be the biggest thing in alternative media on the web, I could put out a report right now, I could call Paul Watson up, hey Paul, yes Alex, I want you to do some research on this, there's some chatter that they're going to nuke the Capitol, or they're going to nuke Texas City, and just put out a report saying that it's a good chance it's going to happen and we've got sources saying it.
00:49:52.000And Paul, of course, isn't immoral and stupid, so he'd say no.
00:49:56.000But if he did, we'd write the article and you'd get millions of readers that first day.
00:50:02.000But see, I'm not here to get millions of readers just for millions of readers.
00:50:06.000I've got a little bit of money in the bank.
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00:54:57.000And look, I'm not blaming you for questioning.
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01:07:50.000He's a Swiss individual living in Switzerland, and he teaches college.
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01:08:03.000NATO's Secret Army, Operation Gladio, and terrorism in Western Europe, and of course it's available from Amazon.com, we'll tell you about it later and have a link to that up on Infowars.com, and scholarly work, NATO Stay Behind Armies, NATO's Secret Armies, and this is where they carry out terror attacks or pay a criminal group to carry out a terror attack as a pretext for blaming their political enemies.
01:08:27.000And so I'm really honored Glad to have Mr. Ganser on with us today.
01:08:37.000I know some of it, some of the work you've done we won't even get into today for security reasons, but tell us what you can about yourself.
01:09:08.000And as historians, we sort of study this in detail.
01:09:11.000But it's been very difficult during the last years to actually find concrete examples where we have so-called false flag terrorism.
01:09:18.000In fact, many people don't even know the term what false flag terrorism is.
01:09:23.000But Doctor, is it fair to say that the zeitgeist of governments in modern history has been staging events or provocateuring events to scare populations into accepting unpalatable political agendas?
01:09:40.000What I looked at specifically were events in Europe during the Cold War.
01:09:45.000That's the period between 1947 and 1991.
01:09:49.000What I looked at were the NATO secret armies, and we found data in this context.
01:09:53.000We also found data in other continents, in Africa, in Asia, in the Americas, and yeah, it's all over the place.
01:10:03.000I would like you to just break down for us, as if you're talking to a layman audience.
01:10:09.000We have a very informed, intelligent audience, one of the most informed out there, but there's a lot of new listeners and a lot of people will listen to this and read the transcript later.
01:10:16.000Break down what false flag is, why governments engage in it, and then let's just run through it for the audience.
01:10:24.000I would just add the caveat beforehand One of the best open and shut cases is the 1953 overthrow of Mohamed Mozadek, who was pro-America, thrown out the Soviets, man of the year, Time Magazine, and I've listened to Kermit Roosevelt before he died on the radio, the CIA section chief who carried out the attacks with MI6, Foreign British Petroleum, he admitted that they bombed mosques, machine gun crowds, To blame it on political enemies and to bring down Mosaddegh.
01:10:53.000Most of his cabinet put him on house arrest the rest of his life, blaming him for a crime they had committed.
01:10:58.000The after action reports are on the CIA's own website and Time Magazine, New York Times also have done reports on it and have it posted.
01:11:05.000were the after-action reports to 10 Downing Street and to the White House describing how they carried out the terror attacks, amongst other things.
01:11:14.000Two blaming on Mosaddegh is a good place, I think, to start.
01:11:17.000But first off, tell us what false flag is or government-sponsored terror, and then let's run through the history of it.
01:11:22.000Okay, well, you're certainly right that the 1953 operation in Iran was a false flag operation or included elements of false flag.
01:11:30.000But the term false flag comes from the time when adversaries met on the sea, and one ship, for instance, had a red flag, and the other ship had the blue flag.
01:11:40.000And these groups of ships would fight against each other, Now, some ships, you know, some captains wanted to be very cunning, very clever, so they hissed a different flag.
01:11:50.000So if you take the group with the blue flag, they just hissed the red flag and they could then sail closer to the other ships and attack from within the group.
01:12:00.000And that was the origin of the term false flag.
01:12:02.000You actually don't show who you really are, but you pretend you're somebody else.
01:12:07.000I myself, Doctor, in one of the few areas of history I have focused on is naval history from 1500 to the 1900s.
01:12:15.000And the British, of course, were the masters of false flag.
01:12:18.000They would, say, pose as a Spanish ship when Spain was neutral during one section of the Napoleonic War.
01:12:24.000They would then run up alongside, even painting their ships, up against the Spanish ships or Dutch ships to then sink them.
01:12:33.000Pirates then took the cue from the British and would fly a neutral or friendly flag to get up close on British East India.
01:12:43.000I mean, you actually put it down correctly.
01:12:46.000It seems to the average citizen, it seems like something silly to do, just, you know, paint your ship in a different color or take a uniform.
01:12:54.000But you must remember when World War II started, Hitler actually had a unit, a unit of German soldiers trained to sing Polish songs.
01:13:04.000And these guys then dressed up as Polish soldiers and invaded a little radio station which was called Gleiwitz Radiostation and what they did is they presented, you know, they played to be Polish and attacked these Germans there and later Hitler said, well the Polish have attacked us, although these were actually Germans.
01:13:28.000And it was later discovered during the Battle of the Bulge there were SS units trained to talk like Americans and Brits.
01:14:02.000How is Hitler going to attack the town of Gleiwitz?
01:14:05.000Well, they even went so far as to grab a concentration camp victim, a Pole, dress him up as a Pole to have somebody dead that the Germans supposedly killed.
01:14:19.000Going back to the original false flags that the Brits Pioneered and perfected.
01:14:24.000They would also capture Spanish or Dutch or they would also capture French ships, get their code books, and then come up and flash their lanterns with the proper code at the horizon to bring in the French ships so they could feed on them.
01:14:41.000Yeah, I mean, it's everybody who's sort of working on geo-strategy knows that if you don't look at false flags, you always take a signal as a general signal, you will take a plane as a genuine plane.
01:14:53.000Whereas, in fact, everybody knows you can, of course, dress up as, you know, a Pole or a German or an American or a Muslim or a Jew or whatever, you can always stage something.
01:15:03.000And this is the cunning side of warfare, which can lead, obviously, sometimes to very dreadful results.
01:15:22.000Europe was devastated and most strategists in Europe actually feared an occupation of Western Europe by the Communists in the years to come.
01:15:32.000So they thought we must prepare something like a guerrilla network which could then be operated in case of an invasion.
01:15:40.000So the primary thinking for creating such secret units was we must have a guerrilla unit ready in case of occupation.
01:15:48.000But that was only a first point of the thinking.
01:15:51.000That's the excuse for recruiting as the guerrilla networks.
01:16:14.000So they set up secret arms caches in these and that places.
01:16:18.000They trained how to operate behind enemy lines.
01:16:21.000By the way, I would interrupt you again and say that that's something that the Swiss pioneered is arming their population and having caches and you guys never get invaded.
01:16:30.000I mean, we had a secret army was called P-26.
01:16:33.000And it was set up also after the Second World War and we cooperated with the British MI6 because the Swiss said the British are the best in that trade and it's actually true that probably the British are the best at secret warfare worldwide.
01:16:48.000Oh, did you hear me say that last hour?
01:17:19.000It's always a big battle who's actually the best.
01:17:22.000Well, I would say that the British are the progenitors.
01:17:24.000Yeah, they, you know, they had to hold an empire which stretched over the whole globe and if you want to hold an empire, as the Chinese say, you have to be cunning, you have to deceive, you have to use tricks.
01:17:37.000It's not, you know, it's no moral game to be an empire, as the Romans said.
01:17:46.000Please, we're about to break, but please continue with the Stay Behind Networks.
01:17:51.000Well, the second problem they faced was that in Western Europe you had nominally democracies, so people, you know, could elect their leaders, where in Eastern Europe you had totalitarian systems, where you just had one party, namely the Communist Party, and this party was more or less directed by Moscow.
01:18:08.000But then Western strategists were very concerned that in these democracies of Western Europe, Namely Italy or France, people would actually go and vote for the wrong people, which in their view were the Communist Party.
01:18:25.000They wanted to give Western Europe the right to vote and actually go and have their elections, but they were terrified, really terrified that these people might vote for the Communists, and then you have Communist parties in Western Europe, and that would have weakened NATO from within.
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01:23:21.000Dr. Gansner continuing with the Stay Behind Armies early, early post-war period.
01:23:30.000Yeah, the problem was, as I said, that people in Western Europe were voting for Communists, and then you had Communists in parliaments, and then people were scared that these Communists would sort of weaken NATO from within.
01:23:44.000So the task ahead, I mean, during the Cold War, it must be remembered, was that everybody was fighting the Communists.
01:23:50.000I mean, everybody was saying, they're really scary and they will destroy everything.
01:23:55.000Strategists then thought, well, we can plant bombs and say, these bombs have been planted by the Communists.
01:24:03.000That will make them really look very bad.
01:24:05.000And this was a strategy that was being implemented, for instance, in Italy.
01:24:11.000Now, the white Russians, the pro-Tsarist forces, enjoyed doing that too.
01:24:17.000I mean, you know, false flag operations really is nothing that you can say, you know, only the Germans did it, or only the Cubans did it, or the Russians did it, or the English did it, or the Israeli did it.
01:24:29.000There's actually no nation that, you know, had that.
01:24:33.000And from what I've studied, doctor, that's really the excuse they use with these specially picked special forces or criminals they hire to do this is, well, they're going to do it, so we've got to do it!
01:24:48.000Yeah, but it's, you know, everybody loses in that game.
01:25:46.000If you were posing now as a Chinese, I don't know whether you can fancy that, but just think of it and travel to Shanghai and blow something up and say, you know, the Chinese are clearly violent.
01:26:06.000So it's very important that the false flag operation remains unknown, remains secret.
01:26:11.000Once the public realizes that the false flag operation has actually been carried out by the one who afterwards screams, gee, how valid the others are, you know, he's totally discredited.
01:26:22.000You're right, and they are getting caught, and they were caught shooting police, running off, they catch them with fake beards and the whole Muslim outfit on, and then they look in the car and it's full of laws, rockets, machine guns and bombs.
01:26:34.000Yeah, but we must remember that really this is the exception that false flag operation people are being caught.
01:26:40.000As a rule, you know, if we go back to the Italian case, for instance, we had an attack there in the year 1972 in a small little village called Pediano.
01:26:49.000And there, you know, you had a few police officers receiving a call saying, there's a little car at the woods and why don't you check it out?
01:27:11.000So the data you have at the moment is just a lot of bodies all over the place.
01:27:16.000Clear sign of violence and destruction.
01:27:19.000And you have another phone call or you know today you would have a video or something that you can't trace back.
01:27:24.000You don't really know whether it's true or not.
01:27:27.000And then this message spreads out into the public.
01:27:29.000You know, the journalists go there and obviously the journalists, they don't have a clue what happened.
01:27:34.000They just go there and write down what people tell them.
01:27:37.000And so you have a whole, you know, sequence of events which leads people to believe, oh gee, the Red Brigades, which were a violent communist group in Italy, they did this indeed.
01:27:48.000And what we look at as historians is that this was in 1972, and we found out only in 1984, that's 12 years later, that in fact it was a right-wing Catholic, you know, an Italian Catholic, who staged this in cooperation with the Italian military who staged this in cooperation with the Italian military secret service, Servizio Informazione e Sicurezza Militaria.
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01:32:12.000And we are specifically today talking about false flags in Europe and other areas of the world with our guest, and I'm really honored to have with us, Dr. Daniel Ganser.
01:32:58.000Dr. Ganser, please continue, because you're not just here saying that the Italian government, the CIA, and the P2 Lodge, and others were involved in this.
01:33:07.000This is now mainstream news, because I've done the research, and you've done the research more than I have, in the Italian press.
01:33:31.000What you have in Italy is a strong communist party on the left and a conservative Catholic party on the right.
01:33:38.000The one, the conservative on the right was called Democrazia Cristiana and on the left it was called Partito Socialista Italiano.
01:33:46.000So between these two groups you always had a very strong fight.
01:33:50.000And in this fight, obviously, it was not in a civil war, but it almost went to a civil war.
01:33:56.000We had a lot of deaths during the Cold War.
01:33:58.000And in one specific moment, people died in the following way.
01:34:02.000Go back to 1969, go to the Italian city Milano, this is in Northern Italy, and everybody's shopping for Christmas presents and stuff, and suddenly a lot of bombs go off.
01:34:12.000And, you know, they kill people all over the place, and everybody's scared.
01:34:38.000In 2001 or 2 it was, I think, you have a trial in Italy and, you know, you find out it was not the Communists, it was right-wing people, you know, people from the Catholics from the other camp.
01:34:50.000And then you have an Italian general from the intelligence service, Giandilio Moletti, his name is, and he says, you know, it's true we did this, but we did this together with the CIA.
01:35:02.000And this was a very far-reaching claim, you know, he said, you know, we Italians, it's true, we did some false flag operations, but we did this in cooperation with foreign secret services who said, we need to stabilize NATO, and in order to stabilize NATO, we need to defeat the Communists.
01:35:24.000Now, I wasn't going to bring up current issues because I want to try to keep this in a historical perspective, and that's of course your wish as well.
01:35:32.000But at the same time, you brought up SAS dressed up like Arabs, clearly involved in the staging of false flag ops.
01:35:41.000And we've caught Israelis dressed up as Arabs shooting US troops, and the Marines have even captured them and beat them up and pulled their clothes off, and they're Israeli Special Forces or Israeli contractors.
01:35:54.000But then we look at things like the London bombing and all the evidence there.
01:36:00.000Even Scotland Yard says they don't think that these were, quote, the bombers or knew what they were part of, and it turns out a SWAT He's really working for MI6.
01:36:07.000I have John Lopness, a former, you know, chief anti-terrorism expert for the Justice Department.
01:36:12.000He comes on and says it looks like the British were carrying out the attacks that were involved.
01:36:16.000I mean, that's a pretty heavy weight saying that.
01:36:23.000Do you want to get into London briefly or do you want to just move on?
01:36:27.000I don't know too much about London, but what I know is that people, like 10 years ago, you know, people didn't even know the term false flag operation.
01:36:36.000And now I'm talking to so many, you know, students, newspapers, everybody, everybody tries to find out what is this false flag?
01:37:12.000And what I'm trying to get at is to show that within the Cold War, we have very, very clear and specific cases where we can show this happened.
01:37:24.000We know that the Take for instance 1954, the Lavon Affair.
01:37:29.000This was a moment in the time when the Israelis didn't want the British to leave from Egypt because they wanted them to function as a buffer a little bit between Egypt and Israel.
01:37:40.000So they dressed up as Egyptians and set off some bombs.
01:37:43.000Nobody was killed, but it effectively kept the British there a little longer.
01:37:48.000In the end, the Israeli Defense Minister Lavon had to resign.
01:37:51.000But, you know, we've loads of false flag operations documented.
01:37:59.000I mean, that's the biggest paper in Israel.
01:38:00.000I've got Jerusalem Post, where, what, back in 2002 was also in UPI, United Press International, did a report, and it's admitted that Israel was grabbing young Palestinian youths, holding them for five, six, seven years, in some cases ten years, releasing them as basically stooges who now work for Shin Bet and Of course, Massad, and having him go out and quote stage Al Qaeda attacks that didn't claim that Al Qaeda was in the West Bank.
01:38:38.000If you remember I recall the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion.
01:38:42.000You know, obviously it was an effort of the CIA to try to overthrow Castro, which didn't work.
01:38:47.000Everybody knows that part of the story.
01:38:49.000But that small part of the story was that it also contained a false flag, because first, the US wanted to destroy Castro's Air Force.
01:38:57.000He only had a few planes, and they were not even good.
01:39:00.000But they wanted to bomb Cuba, but it didn't look good.
01:39:04.000So what they did is they had planes painted in Cuban color.
01:39:08.000So that was American planes painted in Cuban color, which then bombed Cuba and came back and landed in the U.S.
01:39:17.000And the story, as it was spread at the United Nations where Cuba protested, was that these were Cuban pilots who fled the dictatorship of Castro.
01:39:25.000And before fleeing the country, they bombed their own country.
01:39:28.000And, you know, the press almost bought it, but there was one journalist who looked at these planes and said, "Gee, look, that's not exactly the Cuban plane.
01:39:36.000This is an American plane painted in a silly way." And this sort of false flag happens again and again and again in so many different places.
01:40:07.000Then he says we can paint up American or British planes like UN planes, fly them low, and try to get some of Saddam's forces to fire on them.
01:40:30.000I've said over and over again, Doctor, that the key right now is to have the public have a revelation or an epiphany.
01:40:40.000A renaissance of understanding about false flag because I see it as the key in the geopolitical strategy for world empire by the Anglo-American establishment over and over again and now I've gone in ten years myself focusing predominantly on false flag and government sponsored terror to now see that it is commonplace and now entering the popular vocabulary and nomenclature.
01:41:05.000I mean, what we're looking at is that we're in a sort of waking up process to a strategy which has been there in the, let's say, in the abyss of international relations.
01:41:15.000You know, people wouldn't talk about it.
01:41:17.000It was in the dark chambers and, you know, specialists knew that it existed.
01:41:23.000But most people would hardly confess that they actually participate in false flag operations at all.
01:41:30.000Whereas now, let's say we've had false flag operations for at least 50 years, which we can document very well.
01:41:36.000The recent false flag, obviously we've had them for many, many hundred years, but the last 50 years we can document them rather well.
01:41:43.000And people start to say, so what's the use?
01:41:46.000When I usually teach strategic thinking, I always say, think of a weapon, and then people think of a gun first, right?
01:41:53.000They think of guns, and then they think of something powerful.
01:41:56.000Then they think of an aircraft carrier, or of a stealth bomber, or a screw missile, something really big and heavy, heavy hardware.
01:42:04.000I always point out that the strongest weapon is not visible.
01:42:09.000You can't even smell it, because it's fear.
01:42:12.000And fear is a weapon that can be used to do many things.
01:42:18.000Obviously, if you live in a relationship, you know that one partner can use fear against the other one.
01:42:24.000Or if you live in a school, if you go to work, you know that fear can be used and is being used as a power tool.
01:42:31.000And so it is being used as well in international politics.
01:42:34.000And their false flag operation actually are one of the essential mechanisms to trigger fear.
01:42:41.000I mean, in this toolbox, it is one of the most used, most effective tools, and that's what, in his after-action report in 1953, that's what Kermit Roosevelt tells the White House, Eisenhower, and that's what he tells Tim Downing Street.
01:43:17.000We probably can use it and make it a better world.
01:43:19.000Most people are convinced that they're going to make a better world anyway.
01:43:22.000So these people who use false flag are always convinced they're fighting something very evil.
01:43:27.000And once that has been defeated, then they will be good.
01:43:30.000But in the meantime, they have to be bad.
01:43:32.000So this false flag strategy was used, and now we see it all over the place, and we can't get it back into the box.
01:43:40.000And this is something we must wake up to, that we were tricked to think that we can handle it, but once again, very much like nuclear weapons, we're not really able to handle it, and now we have a mess.
01:43:53.000They have drills at school where they take ten eight-year-old children, point machine guns at them, scream at them, yell at them, they cry, and the government says the answer is, we've got to have a police state at the school to keep you safe from shooters.
01:44:06.000And then it's just part of the brainwashing for the police state.
01:44:08.000Here in Austin, we've had... Where is that happening?
01:44:22.000They have a fake nuclear spill on I-35, shot down the highway, total hysteria.
01:44:27.000Then at midnight, they announce it was just a drill.
01:44:30.000Well, we have these drills constantly where at first they announce they're real, sir, just to terrorize us and create this atmosphere of fear here in America.
01:44:38.000You know, people always ask, why is it useful to study Latin?
01:44:42.000It's such an old language and it's all gone.
01:44:52.000And if a country is in great fear, and probably the U.S.
01:44:55.000is in great fear, or has been during the last five years, then the country is paralyzed.
01:45:00.000You know, you will feel it when you go out and you're in a different country.
01:45:03.000You will feel it will be different, but there as well.
01:45:06.000Every country can be put under great fear once you use mechanisms that strengthen the fear.
01:45:13.000And people can break... What I always say is, you know, I was born in the Italian-speaking part of Switzerland, so I had a very strong focus on Italy.
01:45:22.000And when people then say, so what can we do if we see there is false flags going on, but it happens so quickly that, you know, we can't find out who it was and everything is so complicated.
01:45:33.000And I always say, steer clear of the fear, because that's the only thing.
01:45:37.000It's not the 10 people who were killed in the false flag who are actually the target group.
01:45:42.000The target group are the millions who survived.
01:45:45.000And they're not even aware that they're the target group.
01:45:47.000They think, Oh, gee, these are really unfortunate.
01:45:49.000They died in this nasty terrorist attack.
01:45:52.000But as I said, in Italy, this terrorist attack targeted the rest, the surviving who thought they might be next.
01:46:04.000had some real terror attacks in the 1970s, by some of the Reds, the media would say, no big deal, ignore them, okay, they killed a police officer, ignore it, let's not worry about it, don't have fear, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
01:46:20.000So whenever I see a real attack, they will either cover it up, say it didn't happen, or ignore it, or say don't worry about it.
01:46:28.000But then after a big event, when you know it's the government or one of their elements, you see the telltale signs, but also you see them instantly maximizing it, instantly leveraging it, and we see them with the endless fake terror alerts.
01:46:44.000No one is killed, and then the White House had to admit, as documents went public, that they were releasing those whenever something scary came out about Enron, or some new corruption scandal came out, they would bump it up to the red level, That was a mechanism of not even carrying out attacks but bringing the fear back and you can see who the real terrorists are.
01:47:01.000The terrorist is the person who threatens a crime or carries out a crime for their political aims against a population or a government or institution and then you see the government proving they're the terrorist in most cases because there they are openly hyping the fear day one when it happens and using it and maximizing it.
01:47:23.000I mean, what we have is we do have governments using the tool, but we also have, obviously, private groups.
01:47:29.000I mean, you know, they're normal terrorists in the genuine sense, and I'm not saying false.
01:47:36.000And what has to be emphasized is that what is very difficult to say is in a specific case, whether it was this classical normal terrorist that you always thought of as this independent union unit, not infiltrated by any military intelligence service and manipulated by any government or so, you know, like a genuine terrorist group, they exist, they carry out killings.
01:47:58.000And they have done this during the last hundred years.
01:48:01.000And on the other group, you do have state actors who just pose as terrorists and who use terrorist strategy.
01:48:09.000And what is important from a historical perspective is that we always sit back when we see a terrorist attack and say, gee, OK, what was this?
01:48:17.000Was this my tax money being used against me by the state?
01:48:21.000Always do the private group that carried out another atrocity because both cases are always possible.
01:48:27.000Exactly, so it's important doctor to just instantly question and research anytime there's an event and never give in to fear.
01:48:42.000And the day after, we want the death penalty.
01:48:44.000But the saying doesn't work like that.
01:48:46.000We get caught into a huge spiral of violence all over the globe.
01:48:50.000And only later, if you look at Indonesia, there was the Indonesian president, Waheed, who said that the Bali terror, some of it, you know, military intelligence was involved.
01:49:04.000And that's really scary because, you know, we gather data here in Switzerland and in Germany and in other countries and in Europe we've had this false flag terrorism for a long, long time.
01:49:16.000We had it, for instance, in 1954 in Greece, you know.
01:49:20.000Some people, the Turks, from the special forces in Turkey, they went to Greece and they went to a museum which was dedicated to Kemal and they threw in a bomb and posed as Greeks.
01:49:33.000Now, next day, everybody got so steered up and thought, gee, these were the Greeks, you know, that the Turks and the Greeks started killing each other.
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01:53:16.000Now, I don't have the data with me, but back about 30 years ago, we got a CIA warning that the KGB had trained 10,000 ministers, secret agents, as Christian ministers.
01:53:34.000Another point, and I wonder where they're hiding.
01:53:39.000Right in front of us, on the boob tube.
01:53:42.000And then another point, it was about the, let's see, we got the KGB, and then there was a, oh, doggone, I was writing it down so I could... Well, there was the GRU.
01:54:10.000Oh, they bought up, they bought up Soviet block money, bought up all our publications when they were in trouble back in about the same time.
01:54:21.000If the point you're making is that the Soviets engaged in false flag operation, then that's true.
01:55:21.000Well, you know, this gentleman said, let's look at Russia as well.
01:55:25.000And what we look at, if we look at false flag in Russia, it's obviously the restart of the Chechen War.
01:55:32.000We had a series of bombings in Moscow before the war against Chechnya restarted in 1999.
01:55:41.000And there's been a lot of accusations between Putin and other Russians saying, you know, this was the Russian secret service and they posed as Chechens.
01:55:51.000What we have to understand is that false flag is a technique.
01:55:56.000It's not something this or that nation does, and this or that nation never does.
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01:58:13.000We have our guest with us for three more segments, Daniel Ganser, and we'll tell you how to get his book before he leaves us again, NATO's Secret Army Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe.
01:58:28.000We're talking about false flag operations, government-sponsored terror, government-provocateur terror.
01:58:34.000We're about to go to John, Ron, Betsy, and others that are holding.
01:58:38.000But I was thinking, well, after the break I'll get into these staged demonstrations for open borders.
01:58:43.000Turns out the White House PR firm that Bush uses and Fox uses staged the whole thing.
01:59:14.000I called today, my topic is something different of course than your guest, but it is something very interesting and I wonder if most of your listeners are aware of this.
01:59:24.000You know I noticed that there was a funny inclination on the part of the last two administrations, particularly the present and the one before to some degree, that they don't seem to utilize a veto and I thought this was kind of strange.
01:59:39.000So I did a little research and I found out the reason for that is that starting with Clinton and coming on like a complete waterfall with Bush, they signed something called a statement or presidential statement of intent when they sign laws, legislation into law.
01:59:59.000And he basically puts, you might say, a stipulation on the legislation he signs, in which he says... Yeah, you're talking about signing statements, which makes him a dictator, where he then orders the bureaucracy that he controls how to implement that.
02:01:05.000I must say that if I look at it from Switzerland, I'm astonished to hear how strongly you voice it, but obviously the danger that power gets corrupted is always there.
02:01:25.000Well, yeah, I'd like to expand a little bit on what I initially discussed.
02:01:29.000The problem with that is you have the President, and if you look at the signing statements, he will indicate that his intent on the understanding of how the law applies, particularly to him, his executive powers, and how it should be implemented in just about every case is in stark contrast with the Congressional legislation that's been passed.
02:01:48.000I mean, literally, he's using these statements to say he doesn't believe the law is applied the way it's intended to apply, and it doesn't apply to him.
02:01:59.000Such a gross overreach of executive power to literally create nearly an hour... Well, Ron, I appreciate your call and I'll just add this little addendum.
02:02:10.000A couple months ago, Bush signed a law that wasn't even passed.
02:02:36.000That's what a dictator does as they come to full dictatorial despotic power.
02:02:41.000And so I'll tell it like it is, we're in a dictatorship.
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02:06:02.000He's the author of NACO's Secret Army, Operation Gladio, and Terrorism in Western Europe.
02:06:08.000And he has... Well, I'm not going to get into his whole bio.
02:06:13.000Of course, he's a professor of history and several other disciplines and has been involved at the highest levels of the strategy and advising major organizations, institutions, but we're not going to cover all that.
02:06:27.000I want to take calls, and we're taking calls while he's with us, and we're asking the callers if they're calling in on topic, and they're not.
02:06:34.000I'll still take your calls, but it'd be nice if you'd stay focused on this issue because it's so important.
02:06:39.000It's just incredibly foundational to everything we're going through right now, and it's complex in and of itself.
02:06:46.000As the professor, the doctor, was just saying.
02:07:06.000Let's go through some of those, if you'd like, and then cover any other topics you'd like to discuss.
02:07:10.000Then we'll go to Betsy and Kevin and others.
02:07:13.000Yeah, we're doing a false flag world tour here, right?
02:07:16.000I mean, we went to Italy, we took something from the U.S., we went to England, had Israel, we were in Iran together, and maybe we should look at Japan for a moment.
02:07:27.000We must think back again to the beginning of the Second World War.
02:07:32.000It started in 39 in Europe, but it started earlier than that in Asia, Southeast Asia.
02:07:38.000The moment Where you had a false flag there was in 1931.
02:07:43.000The situation was such that Japan, the island, was facing China, the mainland, and China had this really interesting territory which Japan wanted to grasp.
02:07:55.000So, with the Japanese, they went over to the other side of that little bit of a sea there, really, and staged and inched it, and they blew up a bit of peace there in Mukden, a railway road, and imposed the Chinese, and then the next day they said, you know, the Chinese Have attacked us there and we must go there.
02:08:15.000It's always the same simple pattern and you know, it's not something small.
02:08:19.000This was the start of the Second World War over there in Japan and China.
02:08:24.000But it's always something very small and it seems not so important.
02:08:29.000But if you look at it in detail, you will find out that false flag operations can have very grave consequences.
02:08:35.000And in hindsight, 70-something years later, it's admitted, Japan later admitted that they had staged an attack on their own railway and blamed it on the Chinese.
02:09:10.000This was the strategy of the Pentagon to say, let's have A few terrorist attacks and then blow down a shoot down them a drone which is an unnamed aircraft and then blame it on Costa to have a pretext for an invasion.
02:09:23.000This is probably the largest or best known in the Latin American context, but we do have data also from from the Pinochet years.
02:09:34.000In the Guatemala and Honduras conflicts.
02:09:36.000I don't know the specifics right now of the cause.
02:09:43.000Let's talk about a few other cases in Italy of false flag and then some of the people that went public exposing it.
02:09:50.000One of the most important sources that we have in Italy is Vincenzo Vinci Guerra.
02:09:55.000He was a member of Orgine Nuovo, which is A Catholic neo-fascist organization, and you know, he went on trial and he said, yes, okay, it's true.
02:10:12.000You know, the military secret service, They backed me.
02:10:15.000After I did it, they packed me into a plane and flew me over to Franco.
02:10:20.000Obviously, Franco was a fascist dictator.
02:10:22.000So he was sealed off from, you know, nobody could touch him there.
02:10:27.000And then later on trial, he said, you know, people asked him, but okay, then you were an actor for the state and people were very confused because they say, okay, I give taxes to the state and I hope that the state protects me.
02:10:40.000And then they asked him, will the state now apologize?
02:10:44.000And he said, no, the state probably can never admit that he did this and that he backed me in this.
02:10:51.000And so people in Italy are rather cynical.
02:10:54.000That's the problem in the end that you really have.
02:10:57.000Dr. Ganser, I want to take some calls, but I first want to ask you, how did you first wake up the false flag?
02:11:01.000that we sort of believe that we can elect somebody and they represent us.
02:11:06.000But if we lose all these beliefs, then it's all falling apart.
02:11:10.000Dr. Ganser, I want to take some calls, but I first want to ask you, how did you first wake up to false flag?
02:11:16.000Was it when you were getting your doctorate in college?
02:12:28.000And the rabbit hole was indeed deep and dark.
02:12:32.000It was more dark than I thought, yeah.
02:12:33.000Alright, I'm going to take a few calls, folks, but I'd specifically like you to call in and talk about false flag government sponsored terror 1-800-259-9231.
02:12:51.000I have one question for you and I have another question for the doctor.
02:12:57.000The first thing I wanted to bring up was, and I know you've addressed this, but how best do you think that we can support Cynthia McKinney right now in this supposed arrest that's going to happen?
02:13:10.000Well, I mean, you talk about a false flag.
02:13:26.000And now they're talking about, uh, you know, indicting her and have indicted her and are going after her.
02:13:30.000And it's just, uh, the Capitol Hill police are harassing anybody that doesn't go along with Bush or under his control.
02:13:37.000And we should just call for the grand jury to drop any indictments and to leave her alone.
02:13:46.000There's a few people who's really standing up for us and what we believe in.
02:13:49.000We should probably make an all-out effort to do whatever we can to flood her office with letters of support or flood the offices of our own congresspeople.
02:13:59.000Okay, what's your question for the guest?
02:14:03.000I wanted to ask him, because I didn't hear him touch upon this, does he think that assassinations, such as of JFK, fall into this false flag category?
02:14:38.000Well, what you do have as a similarity is that obviously both involve violence, like assassination and false flag usually involve violence.
02:14:48.000And they both, in many ways, often involve lying.
02:14:52.000But still, you know, it is very important to say that false flags, specifically, I would really say false flags, need a sort of a terrorist attack.
02:15:03.000If you want, you can take assassination in it, but I classically don't.
02:15:07.000It's basically how you differentiate the terms.
02:15:11.000Obviously, assassinations are an important point as well.
02:15:17.000The way I look at it is there's different types of false flag.
02:15:20.000You have the classical flying a false color for whatever reason on your ship or your uniform or your tank or whatever.
02:15:26.000Then you have false flag where you frame Patsy's or you have the false flag that police officers or police detectives listening right now have had where they pose as a drug dealer and go out and sell drugs.
02:15:37.000We're talking about governmental terror related false flag.
02:15:41.000And it's not only, I mean, we must be very precise in this matter, because it's very complicated.
02:15:46.000It's not only governments that use false flags.
02:15:49.000Yeah, I mean, you know, every human being can use a false flag if he wants to, but it is, it has not been decided that the government use false flags.
02:16:21.000Alright, uh, I called in about two days ago, and I have a question for the doctor, but, uh, I called in about two days ago, and I said, uh, I saw Charlie, I have pictures of Charlie Sheen at Illuminati meetings.
02:16:34.000Okay, what Illuminati meeting was that, sir?
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02:23:34.000Yes, I got a good question for the doctor.
02:23:37.000Well, when one's dealing, and he stated earlier that his professors were ignorant of some of the information he has, and my question is, when the information does come out, and he does have the sources, and he does have the evidence, and you prove a part of it wrong, and he presents it to the academia, Did they resist it?
02:24:05.000Because I've found an awful lot of resistance in academia.
02:24:09.000Well, let me say this, now I don't find as much resistance.
02:24:31.000What we do have is obviously if you publish in an academic journal, it's peer-reviewed.
02:24:35.000And those peers, colleagues, can only judge the paper from their level of knowledge.
02:24:42.000And if you come in with a new set of data, with new sources, new paradigms really, obviously false flags is something that has not been discussed in international history thoroughly for the last 30 years.
02:24:58.000So there were, you know, some papers were not published, but then others were published.
02:25:04.000Yeah, there is resistance, but there is also support.
02:25:06.000Yeah, I found a lot of... I mean, to answer my point of view on this, I have found a lot of peer-reviewed papers out there by some professors around the world.
02:25:18.000That's true, but I think we are also in this phase in a very, very changing world because many, many academics wake up to this reality of false flag operation.
02:25:27.000It's no longer disputed that they exist.
02:25:30.000The dispute is really, which one is the false flag?
02:25:42.000Fred in Philadelphia, you're on the air.
02:25:47.000I got an example of Egypt faking a murder of a Libyan exile and tricking Libya into claiming that the man had been, quote, executed to liquidate the enemies of the revolution.
02:26:03.000So they can do it, fake a murder, fake a kidnapping.
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02:30:46.000This isn't an example of a government-sponsored terror or provocateur of false flag, but it is an example of false flag under the definition that has really four different subgroups.
02:31:09.000Over and over again we'll hear about an Al-Qaeda operative being arrested, and it's a big victory.
02:31:13.000We've got number three, number two, number four.
02:31:16.000Oh, he's giving us lots of intelligence about how bin Laden carried out 9-11, how they're going to get us any minute, and, you know, bin Laden's scared of George Bush and thinks he's so forceful.
02:31:25.000You know, they always say what just sounds perfect to the propagandist ears.
02:31:32.000But there have been countless examples, and there's been scores of them, where then it comes out six months later, five months later, two years later, that, oh, they were just staging the arrest of a U.S.
02:31:44.000government asset working for the CIA or MI6 or Defense Intelligence, so that when they brought him into custody out of, quote, Al-Qaeda, to protect him, Really, they were government agents and they just staged the arrest.
02:32:01.000Professor, Doctor, have you seen any examples of that in your own studies?
02:32:05.000I didn't focus on these too much because if there were no dead, I didn't take it up into the data set.
02:32:12.000You know, it really had to be a bomb killing people.
02:32:14.000But what it burns down to really is that false flag operations exist and it means we can be fooled.
02:32:21.000But there's one point I don't want to leave it at that because it could be that people, you know, I've said that false flag operations are designed to increase fear.
02:32:32.000Now, information like this, you know, that false flag operations exist, can also increase fear, and that would be the one thing I'd really like to hint at, that that is not the purpose.
02:32:43.000We should really say, okay, now we know it, they do exist, but we should not get stuck into fear, because that would be the counter, that would be just the opposite of what I want to do.
02:32:52.000I want to say they exist, and we have to steer clear from being tricked into violence.
02:33:02.000I've said many times that my broadcast may help the New World Order, may help the Anglo-American Empire, but if people take away from it fear, instead of taking away from it that we can change the world, we can affect change, we can expose false flag, and then take that tool out of their repertoire, take that tool out of their satchel of dirty tricks, we're trying to save lives here.
02:33:25.000This is a positive thing, and that we shouldn't have fear.
02:33:29.000That's true, because you know, I'm having the same thing when I teach a class of history students here in Switzerland.
02:33:34.000I sort of explain them, they're between 20 and 25, and I explain them that these things happen, that we have the data, and the first phase they really go through is one of disappointment, you know, that it's so bad, and then the second phase they go into is a phase of resignation, they go, you know, then it's basically lost, what can we do?
02:33:55.000And only the third phase is that they then look at their own emotions.
02:33:59.000That's really what everybody has to do.
02:34:00.000He has to look at his own emotion, realize that he's being steered by fear, and he has to unplug that steering wheel and say, okay, then I just have to steer clear of violence and sort of find my way without, you know, getting involved in killings and terror and war.
02:34:19.000What do your colleagues think in the different circles you're in, sir?
02:34:26.000Some think it's great, and some think I'm making too much noise and saying, you know, you shouldn't talk about this.
02:34:33.000This is really delicate, that's what some say.
02:34:37.000And it is delicate, but you know, as academics, we have to be honest.
02:34:42.000Bring out the facts, and we shouldn't filter them.
02:34:45.000We shouldn't just, you know, tell stories that are true, and don't tell other stories that we know that are true, because we don't tell them because they're ugly.
02:34:53.000We should try to be honest, like everybody else.
02:34:56.000Well, he's a professor, he's a doctor, he's Daniel Ganser, and we really appreciate you joining us, sir, and your book is NATO's Secret Armies, Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe.
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02:35:23.000And I've learned a lot, and I want to thank you for your bold courage in defending our civilization from its darker side.
02:35:32.000I want to thank you for the future of my children, because I think with men like you and women like yourself out there fighting on the front lines, that we're going to cause a revolution or a revelation, a renaissance of understanding.
02:39:00.000Hey, another twist to that terrorism, the false flag terrorism, is what I believe the police are doing in America today.
02:39:07.000Did you hear in Arizona they passed a law where they would make the illegals they would make it so that cops could arrest the illegals for trespassing.
02:39:16.000Well, the legislature passed it, but the governor has not signed it yet, and all the police agents there are coming out and saying, oh, we can't do this, we don't have the manpower, we don't have the funds.
02:39:26.000So basically what they're, they know for a fact that when these legals come over the border, they're more prone to commit other crimes because they don't give a hoot about our laws in the beginning.
02:39:37.000By the way, there are national and local studies that conclusively show that a disproportionate amount of crime is committed by the illegal aliens.
02:39:47.000And they know if they were to round them up, the crime rate would drop.
02:39:51.000And they wouldn't be able to fear-monger, and they wouldn't need all the police that they have.
02:39:54.000They could drop, cut them out of police and have them.
02:39:56.000Well, the Detroit police chief slipped up many decades ago and said the police aren't here to have order.
02:40:01.000The police are here to create disorder.
02:40:04.000And I'm not saying the average cop is doing that, but there's a reason, and I've looked at studies on this.
02:40:09.000Violent offenders spend less time in jail than non-violent offenders.
02:40:13.000Because a non-violent offender is easier to house, he'll work in the prison industry, he'll make money for the private corporation that owns it.
02:40:19.000A violent one is expensive to house, and if you release them, they will generate more crime.
02:40:24.000So they don't want to actually see the crime rate go down, because it justifies their bloated budgets.
02:40:33.000I thought he was going to finish up and I interrupted him and he hung up.
02:40:36.000Thank you Mick, thank you for that good news.
02:40:38.000Everything is problem reaction solution or frame ups or false flag, whatever name you want to use.
02:40:44.000Blaming somebody for something you or one of your surrogates or minions did.
02:40:48.000The government controls the major narcotics conduits into this country.
02:40:54.000They know that nine out of ten home invasions 8 out of 10 car jackings are robberies, but the number is 8 to 9 out of every 10, depending on which region or which area or which type of crime.
02:41:08.000But it's in the 80s and 90s, depending on which strata or sector of crime you look at.
02:41:13.000And cops driving are nodding their heads, they know this.
02:41:37.000They break into the homes looking for stereos, computers, jewelry, to then go sell to these god-awful pawn shops that are everywhere, make me sick, and they go in there and they sell it, and then they go out and they buy drugs, a large portion of it, going directly into the banks to be laundered.
02:41:55.000Then, we've looked at the big cartels and the banks that launder the money.
02:41:59.000They predominantly own the thousands of private prisons in the country, with over 2.5 million people in private prisons, 7 million plus total in the system itself.
02:42:09.000They end up competing, lowering the wages of the average American worker because they work for an average of 20 cents an hour.
02:42:17.000Now, that ain't problem, reaction, solution.
02:45:03.000And then I saw an article where in Dallas they were just going to quit even trying to go out and catch people who had committed car robberies.
02:45:28.000You had them out actually trying to do something.
02:45:31.000Just 50 years ago, a cop in blue, he'd help if the car broke down or he'd help if there was something going on or a fight.
02:45:37.000But a lot of the time, he was there aiding detectives and they were going around collecting data and watching people and seeing what's going on and they didn't put up with it.
02:45:45.000You know, they say crimes drop, but really, when the advent of television and all the violent acts on it desensitized this, it clearly showed increased crime.
02:45:53.000That's only one small part of the equation.
02:45:56.000A lot of it's societal and the changing crime-fighting tactics, but the best way to see the graph is a mountain.
02:47:27.000I was just thinking about, I know you really didn't want to touch on what was actually happening right at this time with the guests, but I was thinking.
02:47:37.000Well, that's because the professor didn't want to get into it.
02:47:40.000Well, I was just thinking about what they're doing in Iraq.
02:47:42.000I don't know if you mentioned this, I kind of tuned in late, but how for thousands of years these shrines in Iraq haven't been a target of any kind of bombing or whatnot.
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02:52:13.000Operation Last Call program suspended after public outcry.
02:52:16.000Austin, Texas did this three years ago, so did DC, and we talked about it then and they stopped it for two years, two and a half years, and then brought it back.
02:52:26.000And World Net Daily, of course, as usual, takes credit for stopping it, not the national outcry.
02:52:30.000After a series of stories on World Net Daily about cops going into bars to arrest drunks, some of whom are guests in hotels who don't plan to drive anywhere, Texas officials responsible for Operation Last Call have stopped the controversial practice in Texas.
02:52:42.000Talks about the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission along with Irving Police arrested some 30 people.
02:52:48.000They do it in Austin, by the way, mainly.
02:53:22.000And yeah, they got in a lot of trouble because they'd go into hotel bars.
02:53:25.000There'd be a guy they see drink three drinks, they consider that drunk, and man, they take you to jail!
02:53:30.000I mean, it's just, it's like last week, the police arrest people, don't even charge them, and they're taking them to the dentist to have their gold teeth ripped out, going, well, that's acid pulmonary seizure!
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02:55:22.000Do you have something on the web or a book you can recommend where I can educate myself?
02:55:26.000Well, certainly the labor Zionists, there's three different groups of Zionists, but two of the three groups are definitely bad, and we have done shows in the past.
02:55:35.000You should go PrisonPlanet.tv, there's a two hour interview I did with, well the ads cut out an hour and a half, with Robert Galen Ross, and he really breaks it down there.
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02:55:53.000And we have done probably about ten shows so far this year on that subject, and we do cover it.
02:56:00.000We just talked about earlier this hour about Israel carrying out terror attacks to blame it on their enemies.