Big Brother? Mainstream media? Government cover-ups? You want answers? Well, so does he. Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network and now, live from Austin, Texas, joins us in the second and third hours of this Tuesday edition of Conspiracy Theories.
00:00:58.000in Southeastern Asian History from Yale University as well.
00:01:03.000His research includes the Philippines history and the Golden Triangle, drug trade of opium and heroin, and how our government brings it in.
00:01:10.000And he'll be joining us coming up again in the second hour.
00:01:13.000There have been some really scary new developments with the gun grabber-in-chief.
00:01:18.000The phony conservative George W. Bush and Larry Pratt, Executive Director of Gun Owners of America, who joins us every few months for the Legislative Update.
00:01:52.000Be ready for me to move to your calls quickly and to move through them quickly.
00:01:56.000The toll-free number, any news item, any story, any issue, any question, any comment, you disagree with me, you agree with me, whatever, 1-800-259-9231.
00:02:03.000By the way, If you disagree with me, you go to the head of the line.
00:02:13.000And so many times I'm taking calls, and I get to a caller who's been holding for 30 minutes, and it turns out that they disagree.
00:02:21.000You need to tell the folks that answer the phones, we don't screen calls, we ask what your first name is and where you're calling from occasionally, how you're listening, but you do need to tell the person answering the phone that you disagree if you do.
00:02:32.000And, of course, most of the people that disagree really don't disagree.
00:02:35.000They just say that to go to the head of the line, and that's a little bit irritating.
00:02:39.000But c'est la vie, so is life, 1-800-259-9231.
00:02:45.000Bush is ordering a probe of gas prices exploding.
00:02:51.000This is the equivalent of the head weasel, the top weasel, conferring with the foxes to find out who's killing hens every night in the chicken coop.
00:03:08.000So we'll go into some of the politics of oil And go through what's really happening.
00:03:13.000Also, it's in the Jerusalem Post today, top White House post, go to Jews!
00:03:21.000And anytime you have individuals who have dual citizenship or dual loyalties, I don't care if they were German or Chinese or Russian, we need to look at this.
00:03:35.000There is an obsession with it in the alternative media, and I guess you're going to have an obsession with it because it's never really talked about in the mainstream media, but here it is in the Jerusalem Post that not a minority, but a majority of Bush's staff, his cabinet, the Defense Department, are Israelis.
00:03:56.000In fact, they're not even really Americans.
00:03:59.000And that's why I have a big problem with it.
00:04:01.000I mean, if Bush's entire His entire cabinet, or his entire staff, you know, 80% of it say, that's what the numbers are, were black.
00:04:11.000Or, if everybody was white, you'd say, why is everybody white?
00:04:15.000I don't really understand why Bush, well, I really do understand.
00:04:25.000This is the Foreign Intelligence Agency, known as Mossad, that basically is, I guess, blackmailing the White House, is what the evidence shows.
00:04:33.000They run security there, a foreign company does.
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00:07:01.000Gene, honey, those new sandals look great on you.
00:07:04.000And look, they show off my new toenails, too.
00:08:41.000We do have the professor, the author of The Politics of Heroin, Alfred W. McCoy, joining us in the second hour.
00:08:47.000A big Second Amendment update, legislative update, some really important stuff and some scary legislation and regulations moving through the House and Senate.
00:08:54.000Larry Pratt joining us in the third hour.
00:08:55.000We're going to have open phones today as well.
00:09:00.000Already got a full boatload of calls here.
00:09:02.000Bart, Alex, George, Mark, Leslie, and many others.
00:09:06.000But when the communist Chinese in the late nineties took over the Panama Canal, took over Long Beach Naval Base, they've now taken over security in the Bahamas with the nuclear scanners.
00:09:18.000The US Port Authorities and Customs aren't even allowed to intervene.
00:09:25.000China has over 5,000 front companies in the US.
00:09:30.000They've got spies in so many of our national security infrastructure.
00:09:36.000We're totally sold out, and so I cover that.
00:09:39.000I've also documented how MI5 and MI6 have thoroughly infiltrated our government, even founded our own CIA, and how we're being sold out and controlled.
00:09:47.000We cover how the La Reconquistas are being funded by our own government, and how Bush and Fox hired a fancy PR firm just four months ago to stage the four weeks of demonstrations by illegal aliens you've seen in their uniforms of white shirts and Mexican flags.
00:10:04.000And so the continual subdividing and sellout and looting of America as the happy hunting ground for organized crime is ongoing.
00:10:14.000And now I'm going to address Israel, and then I'm going to go to your calls.
00:10:19.000You know, I get criticized by the Israeli lobby.
00:10:22.000I've been attacked by the ADL for absolutely no reason.
00:10:26.000They had a couple years ago a big border report about border vigilantes.
00:10:31.000And they've actually changed some of the articles since I threatened to sue them and sent a registered letter from my lawyer to them, who just so happens to be Jewish, where they misquoted me saying all Mexicans are evil, they come from an evil culture.
00:10:46.000No, I went back to the actual recording and sent them a link to that as well where I said the Aztec culture is evil just as the Nazi culture is evil and all cultures are not equal and there are evil cultures and evil leadership that do evil things.
00:11:02.000And so they took out of context what I was saying.
00:11:05.000And I then talked about the government perhaps being involved in blowing up the space shuttle a few years ago.
00:11:12.000And then they tried to claim I said Israel did it, which I didn't say.
00:11:16.000So again, I have the ADL attacking me, and then meanwhile I have all the white supremacist scum And all of that ilk, and the government go and tell pro people going, Alex won't talk about Israel!
00:11:34.000Well, I'm sorry, but almost every Jew I know hates what Israel's doing, hates the New World Order, knows that it's a very small criminal group in control of Israel.
00:11:47.000In America, the Italian Mafia in the United States in the last 100 years was never the biggest Mafia.
00:11:53.000But the WASP Mob, the German, the English, the Irish Mafia, who were teamed up together when the Italian Mob started getting really powerful in the 40s and 50s, They got together and began a national demonization campaign against La Cosa Nostra to try to knock them back down to size, put them back in their quote, place.
00:12:19.000And so you never really hear about the Wasp Mob, and that's the biggest mafia.
00:12:25.000Then you've got the second biggest Mafia in America, and that's the Jewish Mafia.
00:12:31.000And then under them, you had the Italian Mob, and then after those guys, you had the Greek Mob, and now they've been replaced with the Asian and the Mexican Mafia and Los Zetas.
00:12:41.000If you look at the Mafias today, it's the Wasp Mob, the Jewish Mob, and then you get into the Latin American Gangsters.
00:12:50.000The Italian Mafia has really been basically destroyed.
00:12:55.000And then after that, you've got some of the Asian mafias.
00:13:23.000But basically the British and the US have merged completely, and so now using blackmail, using murder, using payoffs, Israel to a certain extent is in a symbiotic relationship and controlling many aspects of our foreign policy and our domestic policy.
00:13:45.000And so I will criticize Israel for that, and Israel is run by organized crime syndicates.
00:13:50.000Israel, admittedly, is the biggest importer into Europe, the Israeli government of heroin.
00:13:55.000They are admittedly the biggest importer into the Western world of ecstasy.
00:13:58.000They are admittedly the biggest importer now of many other synthetic drugs.
00:14:04.000They are admittedly number two in white slavery, Saudi Arabia being number one.
00:14:11.000And again, I'm not criticizing the people of Saudi Arabia, I'm criticizing their degenerate government and what the 5,000 princes plus and all the things they're doing.
00:14:22.000They admittedly traffic in mainly white Europeans.
00:14:55.000And we hear from the bought-off Christian so-called conservative lobby in America that if you say Israel does anything wrong, you're going to hell.
00:15:05.000That if sacrament isn't being born again and believing in Jesus Christ, to be a Christian you must worship Israel and support whatever they do.
00:15:13.000All the prophets came to criticize, and they were Jewish, to criticize what Israel was doing and to tell them to get back on the straight and narrow.
00:15:22.000And then Israel was put into bondage, the Babylonians and many others, whenever they didn't follow God's design.
00:15:29.000I know you don't read it, you just believe your preacher who's being flown, you know, on his own private jet paid for by the Israeli military and is totally on the payroll.
00:15:39.000And our government and crime syndicates in this country use Israel as they use Switzerland, as they use the Bahamas, as they use other places as these offshore money laundering centers.
00:15:49.000And so basically that's what's happening.
00:15:53.000But again, most Israelis, most Jews, even most so-called Zionists are just led along by the nose by these crime syndicates.
00:16:09.000After appointing Joshua Bolton to be the White House Chief of Staff, U.S.
00:16:18.000President George W. Bush nominated another Jewish staffer, Joel Kaplan, to serve as Bolton's deputy, putting him in charge of the daily policy planning.
00:16:28.000The fact that the White House policy is now in the hands of two Jews is not seen as significant by activists in the American Jewish community.
00:16:35.000He is simply appointing the best people for the job, said Nathan Dement, who heads the Washington office of the Orthodox Union and other Jewish activists, added that he wouldn't read too much into it.
00:16:47.000Bolton, who first served as the head of the Office of Management and Budget, was the first Jewish member of Bush's Cabinet.
00:16:52.000Ever since Bush took office, there has been a custom of opening Cabinet meetings with a brief prayer.
00:16:57.000And so, before his first Cabinet meeting, Bolton's assistant contacted DeMint and asked him for help in finding a Jewish prayer for the Secretary, as well as for the Cabinet members.
00:17:09.000The Orthodox Union provided him with a text in English and in Hebrew, and Bolton read it aloud in the next Cabinet meeting.
00:17:16.000Bolton and Kaplan will probably be the most prominent Jewish members of the Bush administration, but not the only ones.
00:17:21.000Apart from Bolton, there is another Jewish cabinet member, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, and there's another Jewish senior staff member, including Deputy National Security Advisor Elliot Abrams and White House staffer Jay Lefkowitz.
00:17:35.000In the past year, several Jews who were holding senior posts in the administration of left, among them Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, who went to be World Bank head, Undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith, Vice President Dick Cheney, Chief of Staff Scooter Libby, and Political Advisor Ken Melman, who now has the Republican National Committee.
00:17:54.000Folks, when you have 25 neocons, and 19 of them are dual citizen, hardcore right-wing Zionists, you've got a problem.
00:18:05.000And when you have the so-called neocons being former Jewish Trotskyites, and they call themselves neocons, and then when General Zinni criticizes their war plans, they go, oh, you're anti-Semitic.
00:18:58.000But if we play into the hate mongers out there and start attacking Jews, this is exactly what the globalists want.
00:19:05.000And I've done some more research on this.
00:19:09.000They had the quote, American Hitler, and it turned out it was all staged for eight years and he was really a Jewish individual posing to try to get a bunch of hate laws passed.
00:19:20.000We've caught rabbis during hate legislation in Idaho, staging with Jews dressed up in Nazi outfits, hailing Hitler.
00:19:30.000They've caught a lot of black folks sending themselves hate letters and vandalizing their own buildings and churches.
00:19:38.000They just caught a bunch of Jewish youth burning a bunch of black churches.
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00:24:12.000Did you know that right up at 90% of the caller ID technology is run by one company that's openly Israeli owned and run out of Israel?
00:24:25.000Incredible control over all the phone call records and billing.
00:24:29.000Did you know that a private company installed a security system in the White House and runs the phone system and it's Israeli?
00:24:38.000I mean look at our port security run by the Communist Chinese in many areas.
00:24:44.000Our major highways from Indiana to Texas being taken over by the Spanish company Centra.
00:24:51.000We have now the majority of our water districts paid for by the American people locally owned by a German and a Dutch company respectively.
00:25:02.000Globalism is where the corporations get bigger than governments, come in and pay off governments, and then the corporations literally put their officers into government positions and begin funneling the public chest, the public tax money, the largesse, into their own coffers.
00:25:20.000And then they also give their officers political power.
00:25:23.000And they then sign over political power to private mercenary firms and private armies.
00:25:31.000In fact, the numbers I'm using are a year old.
00:25:34.000The new numbers are due out very soon.
00:25:37.000Forbes every year does a report on it, so do several other publications.
00:25:40.000Of the 100 biggest economies, you know I've talked about this a lot in the past, 44 of them aren't even governments, they're corporations.
00:25:50.000And that number is set to grow this year.
00:25:54.000Soon, the majority of the biggest economies in the world won't be the United States, won't be California, won't be China.
00:26:01.000It'll be global corporations with their own intelligence agencies, their own security, their own mercenaries, running anything and everything with absolutely no oversight.
00:26:12.000You look at the revolving door of Big Pharma and the Food and Drug Administration.
00:26:17.000And you look at the big chemical plants and industry and the revolving door into the Environmental Protection Agency.
00:26:23.000You look at the revolving door how Monsanto openly pays for the careers of almost all the federal judges that sit over the courts deciding on their products and genetically engineered modified foods and organisms.
00:26:36.000At every level the checks and balances are being blocked.
00:26:41.000And Israel's manipulation and control over large sectors of our government and economy is really only a small part of the equation, and that's why I tend to try to focus on the big picture and cover every facet of it, not just obsessing on Israel.
00:26:58.000But I can certainly see how people do obsess on Israel.
00:27:38.000And their number one job is to get control of the public coffers and direct those wealth into their hands and write regulations that then go after any of their competition.
00:27:48.000That's one of the few things that's been holding back the Global Crime Syndicate is that there is some infighting at the lower and mid-levels of it.
00:27:55.000But at the top, they meet with the Bilderberg Group every year, 120 globalists, and only about 25 guests, and they set the course.
00:28:02.000Remember almost about a year ago after Bilderberg?
00:28:07.000We had Jim Tucker on right when he got back, and he said, well, Henry Kissinger says oil is going to go to $100 a barrel by end of the next year.
00:28:15.000And he said he basically broke everything down that was going to happen, as he does every year.
00:28:21.000Daniel Estolano had been covering Bilderberg for nine years, not for 27 like Tucker has.
00:28:25.000Got the same intel from his sources inside the meeting.
00:28:29.000And then there were several other predictions that were made, and they're all on track towards happening.
00:28:33.000How do these guys That are in the Bilderberg meeting set the agenda because they all represent different facets of the worldwide crime syndicate.
00:28:45.000They come together and they combine their forces through agreements to create this world government that the private corporations are going to control.
00:28:54.000So instead of having to pay off each government in hand, they will simply have to pay off each central government and they will have total control.
00:29:03.000And that's what the illegal immigration is about.
00:29:06.000It's not so much about driving down wages, that's part of it.
00:29:08.000It's not even so much about getting us all fighting with each other, and that's part of it.
00:29:12.000The main stated goal of the Council on Foreign Relations that put out, what, a year ago, its border plan, is merging the U.S.
00:29:19.000and Canada to form the Pan-American Union, and then to begin to merge that block with Central and South America and the Caribbean nations.
00:29:32.000And the 25 million illegal aliens in this country are the political weapon the globalists can use to bully the American people into accepting this.
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00:33:27.000All the major economic indicators are not looking too bright.
00:33:32.000But people at first, when they start an inflationary spike, printing a bunch of money, don't realize it historically until it's too late.
00:33:38.000I wish we could reverse this, but I really get tired of saying, see, I told you so.
00:33:43.000But we'll get into that after some calls.
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00:34:00.000You understand that America was crowded by Christians as a Christian nation.
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00:34:20.000When our founders declared a new order of the ages, they were acting on an ancient hope that is meant to be fulfilled.
00:34:36.000As America marches forward, spreading democracy throughout the globe, is she merely promoting freedom or fulfilling an ancient plan?
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00:36:33.000Now, the news and your calls are coming up!
00:36:36.000We'd like to get her on at least once a week for a few minutes, and that's Debbie Morrow, who just works the radio shows.
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00:37:25.000They need to stop drinking the poison water.
00:37:27.000Debbie, why should people stop drinking the water?
00:37:30.000Well, you know, the reason people ought to stop drinking their tap water is because of the contaminants.
00:37:37.000They're not only secretly put into the water, but they're advertised that they're put into the water.
00:37:43.000And we all know how bad they are for us.
00:37:47.000The local water industry and the governments like to make it sound good, you know, that a little bit of rat poison in your water is not going to hurt you, you know.
00:37:54.000A little bit of arsenic, a little bit of fluoride.
00:37:57.000And it's not even little bits, it's large amounts and it's killing people off, you know.
00:38:02.000You hear about the little old lady who ate homegrown food her whole life, but still died of stomach cancer.
00:38:12.000You know, there's so many contaminants put into our water systems.
00:38:16.000Even people who are on rainwater are getting it from the air, you know, the contaminants from the contrails and all the different things that are in the air.
00:38:26.000Yeah, so we really want to encourage people to take control of their own life and filter their water themselves before they drink their water so that they know they're getting the most perfect, you know, best possible source.
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00:40:04.000Just list what free item you want there and it has a list of them.
00:41:01.000Hey Alex, I was calling because if you remember when that Bilderberg report came out last year, one of the statements that came out was going to be the coordinated attack.
00:41:10.000against alternative media here in the U.S.
00:41:13.000They said, and I got this from three separate, Tucker, Estalon, and one other person who got it directly from the staff and others.
00:41:35.000And I mean, you know, one of the best examples of that, I think, is right now the national bills that are in front of the Congress to deal with public access.
00:41:44.000But those bills are actually mirrors of bills that have already been passed here in Texas, and that was what I wanted to ask you, Alex.
00:41:50.000Were you aware that under the new franchise agreements for public access in Texas, that whenever those franchise agreements come up, that public access has no more funding capability?
00:42:00.000Well, I mean, San Antonio woke up this last summer and their public access is gone and Houston's going to lose its public access in 2008.
00:42:50.000And yes, there is an attack on the alternative media across the board.
00:42:54.000They didn't mind AXS TV five, ten years ago when nobody was using it.
00:42:57.000Now, coast to coast, people are airing Road to Tyranny and Masters of Terror and Martial Law and Loose Change 2nd Edition and In Plain Sight.
00:43:53.000First, I really want to thank you for having your guest on yesterday.
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00:44:11.000You're speaking of people saying that you're white on Zionism or whatever, And there's someone named Daniel Bradford Smith, and he points to the fact that you're an honorary member of RFICC, which apparently says they're looking for a government of God on Earth, and so what I'm wondering is why would anyone point to that as...
00:44:38.000It's some conservative Christian group that made me an honorary member.
00:44:42.000I can say, Bill Clinton's an honorary member of PrisonPlanet.tv.
00:44:47.000I'm giving Bill Clinton a membership, and then they can go to Bill Clinton, I guess at a CFR meeting, and go, why are you working with Alex Jones?
00:44:55.000And Bill Clinton will say, I didn't know about that.
00:44:59.000So really, sir, I don't want to give shadowy individuals that just make stuff up any attention.
00:45:04.000Yeah, I'm sorry, but the way they presented it makes it look like you're actually on there.
00:45:09.000So could you legally get yourself off of there?
00:45:24.000The dollar has been devalued by 40-plus percent.
00:45:27.000The new Fed Chief says he's going to print money at an unlimited amount and that they're now making that amount secret for the first time since the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, 90-something years ago.
00:45:38.000Look, there's a quick way for people to get attention.
00:45:41.000Attack the big dog on the block and that's Alex Jones.
00:45:45.000I mean, I don't even really respond when Popular Mechanics attacks me, or Foreign Affairs attacks me, or American Legion attacks me, or The Washington Post attacks me.
00:45:56.000I mean, there have been a bunch of hit pieces on me I haven't even responded to concerning Charlie Sheen on 9-11.
00:46:01.000I mean, that would be a boring show if I sat up here and just responded all day.
00:46:39.000Every week I get mean emails going, you piece of filth, you work for the New York Times, and you have an NPR show, and you're the head of this business.
00:46:48.000You have some website, and I have looked at it, it's like a Christian conservative group, saying they want God to come to, you know, Jesus to come, and they gave me an honorary membership, I don't even, it's ridiculous.
00:47:00.000I don't even know who they are, they just gave me a membership.
00:47:02.000It doesn't matter Look, folks, this is how COINTELPRO works.
00:47:07.000And I don't know, most people are just attacking me because they're egomaniacs.
00:49:01.000Well, if a president, a sitting president, goes to Bilderberg, that'll be unprecedented.
00:49:05.000They normally go before their president and after their president.
00:49:08.000His father, of course, has been many times.
00:49:10.000And, uh, it sounds like a crime syndicate meeting to me.
00:49:14.000Could it be that his Bilderberg masters are summoning him in to report on what he plans to do in Iran?
00:49:20.000You could easily slip away for a couple hours, you know, quick helicopter ride.
00:49:24.000Well, we know he was in Northern California the last two years during the Bohemian Grove and there were weird groups of Secret Service there, by weird I mean increased levels.
00:50:12.000They're also trying to find out who the moles are by leaking three different locations of three different people and then seeing if we find out.
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00:54:07.000Because there's a war on for your mind.
00:54:10.000We have Professor Alfred W. McCoy, author of The Politics of Heroin, now written a new book on torture, joining us in the next hour, but we'll continue with your calls in this segment and the next. joining us in the next hour, but we'll continue with So Speaking of Bilderberg, He's been covering it for 27 years.
00:54:34.000It's Jim Tucker's Bilderberg Group Diary.
00:54:38.000You need to have it put out by American Free Press and we carry it on InfoWars.com.
00:54:45.000Photos of the meetings, the people he's confronted, 27 years of infiltration.
00:54:57.000Well again, after your guest yesterday, I typed China International Transplantation Center into the Google and up popped this multicolored advertisement.
00:55:10.000The home page to this group starts, quote, organ providers can be found immediately.
00:55:19.000And if you click on the selection of volunteers, you'll see, quote, as for the kidney transplantation, it may take One week to find a suitable donor, the maximum time being one month.
00:55:32.000Now, of course, in this country it takes a year or two for these things to become available.
00:55:37.000Well, sir, the Chinese government has advertised they take them from executed people, and then now they're trying to spin it and deny it.
00:55:45.000And notice it says China International Organ Transplant Center, has the building on the front, introduction to China's International Transplantation Center.
00:55:54.000And it has the nice little smiling nurses.
00:56:00.000And again, it's admitted they're murdering political dissidents and taking their organs.
00:56:05.000And our president stands there on the stage with just an open devil, like he's a good guy.
00:56:12.000Yeah, and what it looks like they've done is once they arrest these people, they blood type them immediately and put it in a database so they have it all ready to go When somebody comes along wanting their organs.
00:56:24.000Have you seen the science fiction movie, The Island?
00:56:30.000It's where they have people warehoused, and then the minute somebody, some rich person has a car wreck, or gets sick, they just take them in, put them under, and take their organs.
00:57:15.000It only really wants you to know how many people live here, what their name and birthdates are, and then extensive questions on the race of the people.
00:57:25.000Now, by the way, folks, notice now you don't get a census every 10 years, you get one every couple years.
00:57:54.000They can't make someone who's been caught with dead bodies in their basement answer questions under the Fifth Amendment, and they can't make you answer more than how many people live there.
00:59:04.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:59:09.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:59:14.000The author of "The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in Global Drug Trade," Alfred W. McCoy, professor, We'll be joining us coming up in the next segment for the Balance of the Hour.
00:59:35.000Then we have a Second Amendment Legislative Update.
01:00:27.000And he believes that 9-11 is very suspicious.
01:00:30.000Now, as a Virginian, Alex, ABC, I suggest that they cover Warner, Senator Warner's palimony settlement from his first wife.
01:00:41.000And that involved that she also had to give the Atoka Farm in Middleburg, Virginia, to him.
01:00:48.000And in 1997, uh, he married actress Liz Taylor.
01:00:53.000But he lost his initial bid in the primary here in Roanoke to a southern politician named Mr. Obershane, who suffered a fatal small little plane crash shortly after through the default.
01:01:07.000So Senator Warner ended up as a GEO nomination for the senatorial race that he won in 78.
01:01:15.000Yeah, he's on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
01:01:37.000I don't know if you remember the 70s where you had to stand in line for gas Yes, I remember the oil crisis.
01:01:44.000Well, about two months ago, you mentioned about getting a backup car.
01:01:49.000And I would like to suggest to you to get a diesel, maybe.
01:01:52.000And diesel fuel is very easy to store.
01:01:55.000You know, just in case you've got to get to work and stuff.
01:01:59.000Yeah, but there's fewer places to get diesel, but you're right, I think it does store longer.
01:02:05.000Yeah, you could put it, like my heating tanks, I could run my heating fuel as diesel fuel.
01:02:12.000And you can put in... Well, you know, diesel has historically been less than regular gasoline, but now it's more.
01:02:19.000Yeah, I know you don't have the time like I do, but I go to... I get Chinese used cooking oil, and I've been running it in an old Mercedes station wagon right now.
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01:07:14.000In just a minute or two, we'll be talking to author, professor, historian, Alfred W. McCoy.
01:07:23.000The founding dynasties that run our country today, the Skull and Bones outfit in 1832, was openly and publicly set up with opium money.
01:07:35.000And they controlled this trade, the lognum trade, the snake oil trade, for really the next hundred years, and then they lost their monopoly as more companies began shipping it in.
01:07:46.000And so, these very dynasties that had made their fortunes and become very politically powerful from drug money, then began to try to criminalize drugs, not to stop drugs from flowing in, but to be able to control the police forces that they'd bought and paid for, to go after their competition.
01:08:06.000About making drugs illegal, the prices then of course of black market rates skyrocketed.
01:08:15.000Imagine, secrecy, the CIA, all the aircraft they controlled, right in the middle of the greatest saturation of poppy-producing, opium-producing growth centers.
01:08:29.000And then floods of it hitting the United States and Europe, and then of course after the valiant invasion in 2001-2002 of Afghanistan, we've seen a many-fold increase to record levels of opium that is then turned into heroin, pouring into Eastern Europe, Western Europe, and the United States.
01:08:51.000Oh, but the government, they wear nice fancy military uniforms.
01:09:00.000And then if your children are dumb enough to use their drugs, the very industries that control the private prisons are funded with laundered drug money.
01:09:10.000They then arrest your family members and put them in these prisons where they then work for 20 cents an hour displacing American workers.
01:09:17.000So the drug dealers, the military industrial complex and its private controllers are making money and getting control at every level.
01:09:26.000But that's my view historically on it.
01:09:28.000Many years ago I read, or I should be more honest, I scanned through, it's I don't know how many pages, almost 600 plus, the politics of heroin, CIA complicity in the global drug trade.
01:09:43.000Alfred W. McCoy is a noted historian and current professor of history in the Center for Southeast Asian Studies at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
01:09:51.000He received an undergraduate degree from Columbia University and his Ph.D.
01:09:54.000in Southeastern Asian History from Yale University.
01:09:58.000And, of course, he primarily researches and writes about the Philippines' history and the Golden Triangle drug trades of opium and heroin.
01:10:05.000And his Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia was a landmark work documenting how the CIA aided, abetted, and controlled the drug trade for its own enrichment and geopolitical purposes.
01:10:16.000And he's now come out with a brand new book, which I can't wait to read, A Question of Torture, CIA Interrogation from the Cold War to the War on Terror, 2006.
01:10:25.000And we have links to how to get the book up on InfoWars.com.
01:10:30.000Professor McCoy, it's a great honor to have you with us, sir.
01:10:35.000Please break down how you first discovered the narcotics trades, connections to the elite in this country, the Anglo-American establishment, and maybe go back even before the sixties if you'd like to, to some of its roots, and I'd like to talk about the politics of heroin, and then I want to spend the second half of the interview talking about your new book.
01:10:59.000First of all, perspective on it and my historiography, my analytical explanation for why this happens is more impersonal and less personalized than your own.
01:11:10.000What I try and do is track the impersonal historical forces, bureaucratic, geopolitical, sometimes even ecological, that constantly make opium and heroin and even cocaine parts of CIA-covered operations since the start of the Cold War.
01:11:30.000And if I could explain what happened historically.
01:11:34.000In 1948, in one of history's supreme ironies, the Iron Curtain came crashing down along the Asian Opium Zone, which at that point stretched for 5,000 miles from Turkey across to Thailand.
01:11:48.000And throughout the next 40 years of the Cold War, the CIA probed the soft underbelly of communism And they mounted periodic covert operations.
01:12:02.000And in each one of these operations, they were mobilizing tribal mercenaries or militia in remote highland regions where they were under the control of ethnic warlords.
01:12:14.000And so with Burma in the 1950s, Laos in the 1960s, and Afghanistan from 1979 to 1992, and then most recently since 2001, the CIA mounted these periodic covered operations.
01:12:26.000In each case, the local warlord used the CIA's arms, logistics, and above all, political protection to be transformed into a powerful drug lord.
01:12:39.000And in each case, the CIA's priority, above all, was the covered operation.
01:12:44.000They suffered, in each case, from what I call mission myopia.
01:12:48.000They were focused on getting the job done, and they ignored the downstream consequences of their alliance with non-powerful drug lords, and they're covering up for that drug lord.
01:12:58.000And the net result was that today, the three major sources of illicit opium and heroin in the world today, Afghanistan, Burma, and Laos, in that order, The three former CIA covert warfare battlegrounds and that's that's that's that's that's causal that's just not a coincidence.
01:13:19.000Now the politics of that persists right to the present.
01:13:22.000In October 2001 when the CIA decided to mount an operation to overthrow the Taliban government in Afghanistan, instead of sending in conventional US military forces for formal conquest and occupation, what we did was we sent in 70 million dollars In smaller bills.
01:13:45.000And the Afghan travel warlords whom we fought with in the war against the Soviet Union, they broke open their arsenals, they armed their fighters, and they overthrew the Taliban, backed by U.S.
01:13:58.000That created, of course, a political vacuum across the whole of Afghanistan.
01:14:03.000And these former provincial warlords had been driven out of power by the Taliban, swept across the country, and picked up where they left off.
01:14:11.000They re-imposed the drug trade, and in 2000, 2001, Afghanistan had produced about 180 tons of opium.
01:14:17.000Within a year, it was up over 2,000 tons, and today it's around the 4,000 ton mark.
01:14:21.000Within a year, it was up over 2,000 tons, and today it's around the 4,000 ton mark.
01:14:28.000So it's gone from 180 tons under the Taliban to about 4,000 tons under the current Karzai government.
01:14:34.000Now, sir, I'd like to go back to the customer for just a moment, because in every operation, take Gladio, and I'm digressing for the listeners, oh, the Soviets are going to take over, and they're staging terror attacks in Europe.
01:14:47.000To blame it on us, so we've got to stage terror attacks to blame it on them.
01:14:50.000We've got to become more evil than the devil to defeat the devil.
01:14:54.000Oh my gosh, the Soviets are going to come in and use the drug trade to fund them, the red drug trade.
01:15:01.000We've got to go in and make friends with all these people in this multi-thousand, five-thousand mile belt of opium production that you talked about from Turkey into Southeast Asia, Indochina.
01:15:12.000All of this happens, and oh, we've got to put in our drug dealers, or support our local tribes, so that they can be a bulwark against communism, and I'm a top general, or I'm a CI operative, I might as well make a few hundred million dollars for myself, but it's for America, and then they've got the nerve back here at home to kick down our doors looking for drugs that they helped bring into this country to begin with.
01:15:36.000The contradictions in that area became Most apparent, okay, where we're, you know, oftentimes, they became most apparent during the Contra operation.
01:15:45.000Look, let me, sort of like, let's take the Afghan operation.
01:15:49.000The dots get pretty distant, so that connecting them sometimes becomes a bit of a stretch.
01:15:54.000Now, during the Afghan operation from 1979 to 1992, here's how the traffic operated.
01:16:00.000Mujahideen fighters and their families in the liberated zones inside the Soviet occupied Afghanistan.
01:16:08.000Uh, were ordered to plant a revolutionary tax in the form of opium.
01:16:11.000They delivered that to the Mujahideen commanders who shipped it across the border into the Northwest Frontier province of Pakistan.
01:16:18.000They are operating under the protection of ISI, Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence, the CIA's ally.
01:16:25.000Uh, the traffickers transformed the heroin, uh, opium into heroin.
01:16:30.000Now, the next problem was that these were not well-connected criminal organizations.
01:16:47.000You got the so-called Pizza Connection cases of nice, middle-aged Sissian immigrant couples running pizza parlors from Boston, Massachusetts to Milton, Wisconsin.
01:16:56.000Being arrested, charged, and convicted for using a pizza parlor as a front to distribute this Pakistan-Afghani heroin that was coming into the country.
01:17:04.000So, you know, the connections are pretty indirect, okay?
01:17:10.000From the pizza parlors right to the poppy fields.
01:17:13.000But in Central America during the same period, the connections were far more direct, okay?
01:17:20.000Geography changed the situation and made the contradictions in this covert warfare policy for the first time really clear.
01:18:03.000intelligence community knew that this guy was the biggest cocaine smuggler in the Caribbean.
01:18:08.000He even had, among his 35 ships on the high seas, moving cocaine from Colombia Across the Caribbean in the United States.
01:18:15.000He had one ship on consignment from the Colombian drug lord Pablo Escobar.
01:18:19.000In other words, this guy was dirty and everybody knew he was dirty.
01:18:22.000We formed an alliance and from roughly 1987 to 1992, he was protected from any investigation at the same time he was flooding our country with heroin.
01:18:32.000Now, at that point... Sorry, with cocaine.
01:18:35.000At that point, the contradiction... I'll tell you what, Professor, we've got a break.
01:18:40.000Stay right there and we'll come right back to you after this quick break.
01:18:43.000We're talking to Alfred W. McCoy, one of the preeminent experts on our government shipping and narcotics.
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01:22:51.000Professor Alfred W. McCoy is our guest.
01:23:12.000But I want to get into torture some too.
01:23:15.000Boiling it down, sir, I mean, I've got photos here in your book when you're in Southeast Asia, you know, with some of the tribes, some of the biggest drug dealers.
01:23:22.000They're on record, I've seen them in video interviews admitting that they're biggest buyers of the U.S.
01:24:05.000So, in order to track the heroin trail, I first of all went to Vietnam and I studied the distribution of drugs and I found that there were three dominant syndicates in control of drug traffic in South Vietnam.
01:24:16.000They were controlled by the three top people in the South Vietnamese government and their military acolytes.
01:24:23.000And at every fire base and club and barracks across the whole of South Vietnam, Uh, heroin was available.
01:24:32.000It was incredibly pure, incredibly cheap.
01:24:35.000And think about how immoral that is, addicting our servicemen to this.
01:24:39.000Oh yeah, that's how you support the troops.
01:24:41.000Is it safe to say that much of the Vietnam War, even back to the French trying to stay there, was about continuing to control the opium?
01:25:06.000But the drugs were an important part of the covert warfare, of the maneuvering by intelligence agencies in order to get the money, in order to mobilize and become this coalition.
01:25:20.000By 1971, about 34% of all American servicemen serving in Vietnam were heroin addicts.
01:25:29.000By my calculations, there were at that point probably more American heroin addicts in the U.S.
01:25:35.000Army in South Vietnam than there were in the entire United States.
01:25:38.000All of them were supplied by our Southeast Asian allies.
01:25:41.000So, having studied the distribution in South Vietnam, I went north into Laos and I simply hitchhiked up The Highway into the Hills, and then I got off with an interpreter and photographer.
01:25:52.000We hiked through the hills, and we went into opium-producing villages, and we went farm to farm, house to house, and we asked the farmers how much they grew and how they marketed, and it was a very consistent reply.
01:26:07.000Each farm was producing about 5 to 10 kilograms of raw opium every year.
01:26:11.000At the end of harvest, they took it down to the helipad.
01:26:14.000Where Air America helicopters, the CIA's company, came in and landed and then militia officers, tribal militia officers in the CIA's secret army got off, paid cash for the opium, loaded the opium on the helicopters and flew off to the main CIA base at Long Chang.
01:26:31.000And there were several heroin labs in the country, the largest heroin lab and with the most famous logo of all time.
01:26:40.000was operated by the commander-in-chief of the Royal Laotian Army.
01:26:44.000He got over 90% of his budget from USAID.
01:26:49.000He had the world's largest heroin lab.
01:26:51.000He was cranking out about 100 kilograms of pure heroin a week, and all of that was destined for US forces fighting in South Vietnam.
01:27:01.000Now, we've got to kind of condense this, Professor, because we don't have a lot of time with you.
01:27:05.000Fast forwarding to cocaine in the 80s, I mean, I've interviewed so many DEA agents, so many CIA agents who were there unloading the cocaine or witnessing it, MENA, you name it.
01:27:17.000It just makes the whole drug war a complete fraud that our government is fostering and controlling it.
01:27:23.000Well, what happens, there is consistently a contradiction between fighting the cold war, now the war on terror, and fighting the drug war.
01:27:32.000And every single time that the question has been called, Basically, what's happened is we've sacrificed the drug war in order to fight the Cold War, and now the war on terror.
01:27:43.000In Afghanistan, the contradiction is just the latest instance.
01:27:48.000Basically, look, at the peak of the cocaine epidemic, when Colombia was awash in the cartels, there were attacks on the Ministry of Justice.
01:27:57.000Pablo Escobar's secretarios, his assassins, were cutting a swath of the society.
01:28:02.000At peak, Cocaine only represented 3%, that's 1 to 3% of the gross national product of Colombia.
01:28:09.000Today, according to UN estimates, opium and heroin account for 60%, 60% of gross national product in Afghanistan.
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01:34:03.000That raises the global illicit price to farmers and traffickers around the globe.
01:34:08.000So what happens in the next crop year is that Connected by the invisible tendrils of the illicit drug market, and the UN has actually found this to operate, okay?
01:34:18.000That peasants in Laos will respond to a shortfall in supply in Colombia.
01:34:22.000So elsewhere around the world, production goes up.
01:34:25.000So every battle in the drug war produces increased production.
01:34:30.000When we started the first of our drug wars, back in 1971 and the present, Nixon, global illicit drug production was about a thousand tons.
01:34:37.000Today it's between five or six thousand.
01:34:40.000And that five to six fold increase in the last 36 years has been due in large part to the drug war itself.
01:34:49.000It's not only not working, in fact it's counterproductive.
01:35:57.000Well, you can't undo the entire prohibition regime of narcotics, because it's inbuilt into literally hundreds of of international treaties involving the world community and the United States as a part of those treaties.
01:37:13.000We have Alberto Gonzalez, now the Attorney General, when he was Chief White House Counsel, writing memos saying we can torture people to death if we just don't call it torture.
01:37:21.000We have these black ops sites in Eastern Europe.
01:37:25.000A CIA agent allegedly leaks that because you have to leak something that's criminal.
01:37:38.000And then we have the former chief commander of Delta Force going public saying that they're torturing because Cheney likes it and it's to get false confessions.
01:37:46.000Your new book A question of torture, CIA interrogation from the Cold War to the War on Terror.
01:37:56.000First of all, the CIA has, since the start of the Cold War, been engaged in the research and propagation of torture.
01:38:04.000Right at the start of the Cold War, when the CIA was established in 1947.
01:38:09.000There was a belief in Washington, and a solid belief, that the CIA had somehow cracked the code of human consciousness.
01:38:16.000They had probed the mysteries of the human mind, and they had superior techniques for both mass propaganda, individual interrogation, and even programming assassins.
01:38:26.000Our ignorance of the dynamics of human consciousness back then were profound.
01:38:32.000And out of fear, the CIA, right from the start, was authorized to conduct research and to engage in torture.
01:38:39.000And the CIA conducted two kinds of research.
01:38:42.000Everybody's heard about the CIA drug experiments, the LSD, party houses, and all the rest, okay?
01:38:48.000That was one part of a program to crack the Code of Human Consciousness, which at peak in the 1950s reached a billion dollars a year and involved literally hundreds of secret research projects.
01:39:04.000Now, what happened was the CIA did most of the drug research in-house.
01:39:08.000And within a decade, the CIA established that all of the exotic techniques, hypnosis, electroshock, and drugs, both sodium pentothal, and LSD, and THC, marijuana, none of it worked.
01:39:25.000But they outsourced the boring behavioral research to the country's top universities, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and others.
01:39:33.000And the nation's most brilliant behavioral scientists came up with a new form of torture, the first real breakthrough in the cruel science of pain in centuries.
01:39:44.000And they discovered psychological torture founded on two basic techniques, sensory disorientation and self-inflicted pain.
01:39:54.000When you look at those Abu Ghraib photos, all you see time and again is a repetition of these two foundational CIA torture techniques.
01:40:02.000Let's take that most famous most iconic of all the Abu Ghraib photos.
01:40:06.000The man standing on the box, hooded, arms extended, fake electrical wires hanging from his arms, okay?
01:40:11.000He's hooded for sensory disorientation.
01:40:13.000He's standing for self-inflicted pain.
01:40:16.000Those are the two basic CIA psychological techniques.
01:40:19.000To that we've added attack on agricultural sensitivity, on the war on terror.
01:40:24.000Alright, now, the CIA propagated that within the US intelligence community.
01:40:33.000And then for the next 30 years, right to the end of the Cold War, they propagated within the U.S.
01:40:37.000intelligence community, and they trained allied agencies around the globe in these techniques.
01:40:43.000At the same time... Well, look at the School of America!
01:40:47.000That was one of actually the... That's a part of a thing called Project X. From 1966 to 1991, the U.S.
01:40:54.000Army Intelligence Command ran a thing called Project X, which is a top-secret project to transmit the lessons learned in counterinsurgency and interrogation From South Vietnam to Latin America.
01:41:05.000And there were three ways of doing this.
01:41:06.000First of all, they had the School of America.
01:41:10.000And third, they had a mail-order course that literally sent out thousands of manuals instructing, all written in Spanish, with complete curriculum in interrogation.
01:41:21.000With techniques that, upon review in 1991 by the Defense Department, found that many of the techniques were outrageously illegal.
01:41:28.000Violations of both international and U.S.
01:41:44.000We had this, what I call, cultural contradiction throughout the Cold War.
01:41:47.000On the one hand, we We were one of the authors of the Geneva Conventions.
01:41:51.000We were one of the authors of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
01:41:54.000Both of these banned torture very explicitly, okay?
01:41:58.000So we were leaders in the global campaign to abolish torture.
01:42:02.000At the same time, we were secretly, covertly practicing it, okay?
01:42:06.000Now, under the Bush administration, once the Abu Ghraib photos came out, the Bush administration decided that they would, in fact, conduct an historic change.
01:42:24.000And this has sparked a profound political battle in this country.
01:42:27.000Well, the incredible thing is, while at first saying, hey, we're allowed to do this to keep you safe, trying to sell it to us, They would then instruct the military to hold court-martials with tribunals and send people to prison who, and I've interviewed Janice Karpinski and others, who were barred from going into those CIA-controlled wings.
01:42:48.000And then they'd even try to burn her when she wasn't involved, knowing that if they prosecuted someone who was innocent, she'd be found innocent and that'd be a good whitewash.
01:42:55.000But I mean, certainly, sir, you've written a book about it.
01:42:57.000I haven't read your new book yet, but I hope to.
01:43:01.000I mean, can you comment on John Hughes' psychopathic statements, Alberto Gonzales?
01:43:05.000I mean, once you accept torture, I guess we can expect that it will go to Joseph Mingala style, we're going to torture kids if we want to.
01:43:14.000It actually revolves around one technique, okay?
01:43:19.000In 1994, when the United States ratified the UN Convention Against Torture, the basic document, What we did was is we sent, President Clinton sent that treaty to Congress and he included in that four paragraphs of diplomatic so-called reservations, which is to say we ratify the treaty except this.
01:43:39.000When you read those exceptions carefully and you compare them to the CIA's psychological torture techniques, which they had developed and propagated for the previous 30 years at such great expense, what you realize is what we did is we split the treaty down the middle.
01:43:51.000We said physical torture with all its brutality is illegal.
01:43:55.000But we reserve the right to engage in psychological torture.
01:43:58.000We do not consider psychological torture to be torture.
01:44:02.000And so when you look at all the techniques that are used at Guantanamo, all the enhanced techniques that have been authorized by the Bush administration for the CIA, they're all psychological torture.
01:44:12.000Psychological torture is very elusive, very deceptive, very difficult to discern.
01:44:48.000And he reviewed The torture that was inflicted upon the so-called 20th hijacker who was held at Guantanamo, a man named Muhammad Al-Qahtani.
01:44:57.000He found that he was subjected to 160 days of total isolation.
01:45:02.000He was subjected to colds so extreme he had to be hospitalized.
01:45:06.000He was subjected to psychological abuse, guards screaming at him that his mother and sister were whores, dogs that growled at him, water thrown on him, ladies undergarments on his head.
01:46:07.000Or you, I mean, I mean... Anybody who investigates this, okay?
01:46:11.000For example, Guantanamo, which is done by CIA and military at Guantanamo formally, alright?
01:46:18.000And it's all very elaborate psychological torture.
01:46:22.000The International Cross made repeated visits to Guantanamo from 2002 to 2004, and they said that this system is torture.
01:46:32.000The UN Human Rights Commission in February of this year delivered a report in which they interviewed people who had been released from Guantanamo and talked to them in detail about their treatment.
01:46:44.000What about menstruating prostitutes raping these men?
01:46:49.000Well, yes, that's part of the psychological technique.
01:46:52.000But what they worked out was that they believe that Arab males are particularly vulnerable to sexual identity and to gender identity.
01:47:13.000Okay, now, Kofi Annan, the Secretary General of the United Nations, has in a historic statement called on the United States to close Guantanamo.
01:47:21.000The European Parliament has closed, called on Guantanamo.
01:47:24.000But meanwhile, a bunch of European countries are accepting the intelligence and helping with the rendition flights.
01:47:28.000Of course, and that's why there's this investigation by Dick Markey, by the Council of Europe, that produces these wimpy reports because because they're caught in the contradiction as well.
01:47:40.000Because the rendition flights and the black sites that were definitely in Poland may have been in Romania, that those are total violations of the European Charter of Human Rights.
01:47:53.000If they actually found that Poland had a black site, Poland would have to be suspended from the EU.
01:47:58.000So what you've got is the EU as a body has a very strict prohibition of human rights abuse, but the individual sovereign states have been working with the United States in these techniques and tactics, and there is the contradiction.
01:48:10.000All right, Professor, I wanted to take a call or two, but... One last point, okay?
01:48:15.000Well, I was about to say, we're out of time, we're breaking in one minute, you can have the last... Here's the last point.
01:48:23.000There's another form of torture practiced by the FBI called empathetic interrogation, developed by the Marine Corps in World War II, Practice in the FBI sense, it is effective.
01:49:00.000Al-Libi telling you that Saddam Hussein trained Al-Qaeda in weapons of mass destruction so that Colin Powell can stand up in front of the UN and say we have verified intelligence saying that.
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01:54:35.000Sorry you couldn't talk to the professor, we ran out of time, but you had a comment about government drug dealing.
01:54:40.000I've got a ton of comments, but like you probably do, Alex, you've got a ton of friends and listeners.
01:54:47.000But I'm in Baltimore, and go to Google your hundred and nine billion dollar friend, type in Baltimore Heroin Town, you get an old heroin town, one in ten residents of Baltimore is addicted to heroin.
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01:55:09.000And my other question would be on legitimacy in government.
01:55:15.000You know, if we're talking about a big agency that's got a black budget and very little public review or very little oversight, how legitimate is that agency?
01:55:26.000I mean, we know people that Do their jobs are legitimate for the government, but what about... Well, sir, here's another example.
01:55:54.000The government controls the majority of the narcotics and the very same military-industrial complex then is pushing the Ritalin, the Prozac, all the rest of the legal drugs.
01:56:06.000That's very true and we're just 35 minutes from the nation's capital and about an hour from the CIA and we pay taxes and a lot of times you know you see a lot of monkey business going right on next to the police station.
01:56:22.000or in the neighborhood, but they would talk to it, which is good.
01:56:25.000Listen, people have a chemical problem.
01:58:22.000There are a number of things I want to touch on today.
01:58:24.000They're different things, but I think they're important.
01:58:28.000First off, in Europe, I understand they have an EU Commissioner of Transportation who has mandated that by 2009, all cars in Europe are not just to have the tracking devices that we're familiar with, GPS, they're going to have that.
01:58:46.000But these devices will be able to tell things like amount of pressure on a seat and so forth, and they're hiding it under the, uh, you know, the rubric of, oh, well, we're doing this because of safety and there are accidents.
01:58:58.000Now, if that, if they were being in earnest, which they're not in any event, why would these devices be calibrated to register even so much as the pressure caused by a simple fender bender?
01:59:10.000Well, for those who don't know, it's going to be coming in here, it's going in there, transponders, license plate scanners, it's just total and complete control, big brother on steroids, and it's a control grid.
01:59:26.000They're out to turn us into human cattle.
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02:00:25.000Men in black uniform, but the border will stay wide open.
02:00:29.000It's like a castle where they lower the drawbridge but then have the castle guard go point their spears at women in bed.
02:00:37.000That's right, who were within the castle.
02:00:39.000Now, the third thing too, there was an interview with Rumsfeld, I think it was in 2004, somewhere thereabouts, in which a journalist had asked him a question, what would we do with the mental status of people if the United States was to be, you know, the victim of a nuclear attack?
02:01:13.000Because I have to assume that from the way so many people are apathetic to the type of infringement upon their human dignity.
02:01:19.000Sir, the Sunshine Project that researched this a few years ago found the documents where they admit every major city has hangars with military helicopters with actual opiate knockout gas ready to knock out entire cities.
02:01:33.000That came straight from the man's mouth.
02:01:57.000Um, and lastly, you're going to have Larry Pratt on, good man that he is.
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02:05:51.000A lot of you will remember a few months ago I had one of the board members of the National Rifle Association on with us, Bob Barr, former congressman.
02:06:05.000And without even prompting, he said George Bush has been more anti-gun than Bill Clinton.
02:06:12.000It was a very honest statement from the NRA who I normally attack as being basically a bunch of soft peddling creatures.
02:06:21.000No, I support the membership, of course, of the NRA, but we have the National Director of the No Compromise Second Amendment Lobby, and that is Larry Pratt.
02:06:32.000But Bob Barr was speaking with us about Bush using regulations, not even laws, to go after importation and try to enforce different gun laws.
02:06:41.000He's doubled the size of the BATF, built a new big building for them.
02:06:45.000So here to give us the good, the bad, and the ugly, there is some good, there is the bad, and there is the ugly truth, is Larry Pratt.
02:06:51.000We're always honored to have him with us.
02:06:55.000Larry, Do you agree with what Bob Barr said here a few months ago?
02:07:01.000Yes, I'm glad that someone who has had the opportunity to serve in Congress and to be with the NRA with those kind of credentials is saying what he's saying and the point that the damage is being done by
02:07:17.000regulation uh... is is absolutely correct there have been some uh... what i would call uh... avoidable uh... relatively minor losses coming out of the congress with trigger locks in a ban on a plastic gun it doesn't even exist uh... but the the real hurt is being done through the uh... bureau of alcohol back on firearms and Also, the Department of Homeland Security.
02:07:44.000Let me start with them, if I could, because it's really kind of breathtaking when you consider what they're doing.
02:07:52.000After 9-11, they're set up this huge, new, obviously inefficient bureaucracy.
02:07:56.000I guess we should be grateful for that.
02:07:59.000And, like Will Rogers used to say, thank God we don't get all the government we pay for.
02:08:04.000Because it wouldn't be well-intended if we did.
02:08:06.000And the first notion here in Washington, just about with everybody, was, well, we need to have another bureaucracy.
02:08:14.000We need more government in order to handle the threat from 9-11.
02:08:17.000Nobody was talking about, well, you know, we've had a problem on our borders for some time, and if terrorism's a problem, that's probably a pretty obvious place that we ought to take care of.
02:08:29.000And the militia is something that's provided for in the Constitution.
02:08:32.000If you look at Article 1, Section 8, which lists the few things, maybe a dozen and a half things, that the Congress is given to do, and pretty much that means the whole federal government, because if the Congress can't vote you some money or a law, then you're really not supposed to do anything.
02:08:49.000The militia is something that's provided for Congress can appropriate money for the states to have militia or to increase their militia or whatever and it would seem to me that you could pass a whole bunch of money here in the in the federal city And you don't need a bureaucracy to write a check to the state of Arizona to put boots on the ground down on the border if they really wanted to.
02:09:28.000A few days ago, last Friday, had the National Coordinator of the Minutemen, Al Garza, on and he said he's ready that most sheriffs on the border are already on their side, that the sheriffs could deputize them and put citizens on the border and even fight back against these Mexican troops that are routinely firing on them.
02:09:47.000Well, I think that would be very much a step in the right direction, but I would certainly like to see the money be ideally taken out of Homeland Security's budget in just a big check written, no strings, just, you know, here it is Arizona, here it is New Mexico, here it is Texas.
02:10:03.000I don't know what you do with California, but maybe put a wall around not only its southern border, but its eastern border as well.
02:10:13.000In any case, I think what the Minutemen are doing is showing that the politicians don't have a clue, and if they do have a clue, then they simply don't want to fix the problem.
02:10:26.000Because for them it's not a problem, obviously.
02:10:31.000But what I'm after, in particular, is to get the idea that the Homeland Security notion here in Washington Now, I'm not including gun owners of America, but the city's mentality is more government, not the people.
02:10:48.000Not mobilizing individuals and getting them together in a relatively volunteer or a low-pay militia capacity, that which we had when our country was born.
02:10:59.000But no, let's have the professionals do it.
02:11:01.000The very people that we whooped when the King of England sent over a bunch of professionals.
02:11:07.000professionals don't always have the best track record, and especially if they're given bad orders.
02:11:12.000And I would think that the militia, whether they volunteer for the sheriff or whether they be in a state militia, they're going to do the job because their heart's in it.
02:11:23.000I think that's why they're not being sent.
02:11:26.000Anyway, they don't look at the Second Amendment, then, as something that provides for the people being involved in their own defense, even though that's the very plain notion of the Constitution, both the main body as well as the Second Amendment.
02:11:41.000Well, then, just to quickly review, look at what they've done with air
02:11:46.000travel they have done everything possible twice congress has passed legislation saying arm the pilots both times homeland security has said yeah over our dead body and they've made it virtually impossible and most of the pilots would like to be armed and most of them have decided it's not worth it uh... that the uh... uh... requirements are that sends the wrong message only the men in black uniforms with black masks that search you and shove you around can keep you safe you can't send the message
02:12:16.000That as individuals we're supposed to defend ourselves and our family and our community.
02:12:23.000I was just at the airport out in LA and they made me take my shoes off, walk across the floor where thousands of other people walked with all their athlete's foot and the rest of it.
02:12:32.000I had that athlete's foot since I was in high school.
02:12:34.000I got it from walking across the floor there.
02:12:51.000And I was just talking about the plan New York has for, quote, Fortress New York, where they're going to have machine gun nests and barbed wire checkpoints, searching everyone.
02:12:59.000They know the TSA is now moving out with the Viper teams in Miami and Dallas and other areas, randomly searching people, walking down the street, but the border stays wide open.
02:13:09.000I mean, we're turning into some nightmare Russia.
02:13:12.000Their idea is that the people are the enemy, and the Constitution says no, the people are the solution.
02:13:20.000And your point about the border remaining open while they look at us, the citizenry, as the enemy is absolutely correct.
02:13:29.000It's as if there aren't a bunch of people out there who are dedicated to jihad.
02:13:34.000And we'll do anything they can, and when you make it easy for them, walk across the border.
02:13:40.000You know, I would like for us to have a southern border that's half as well controlled as the Mexicans' southern border.
02:13:46.000Oh, by the way, there was a big AP article finally reporting on what we already knew, that they take tens of thousands of dollars from you, they put you in a camp, they beat you up, That they have zero tolerance with Guatemalans.
02:14:27.000And now, by the way, that sounds like a call to return to the religion of Montezuma and the Aztecs.
02:14:35.000Oh, that's what, listen, our mayor, the last mayor, Gus Garcia, had a proclamation, I have it on videotape, saying that they are the master race.
02:14:44.000Well, we've heard that language before, not too many years ago.
02:14:48.000Well, you know, they can't really demonstrate in Mexico.
02:14:50.000They get arrested, they get beat up, that's well known, because they don't have a Second Amendment down there.
02:14:54.000Why are they trying to come to America and then march by the millions with Mexican flags saying, this is Mexico?
02:15:00.000If Mexico is so great, why don't they go back?
02:15:04.000My point is, is that the system of Mexico, if you love that system so much, why don't you go back?
02:15:09.000You know, the Southwestern United States, if they do a little history lesson, was formed, particularly Texas, when folks living in Texas had a deal with the Constitutional Republic, and then a chap by the name of Santa Ana did something fairly common for a Latin American country.
02:15:45.000And, by the way, a third of those fighting for Texas were Hispanic Texians, Tejanos.
02:15:50.000Well, the Vice President of the Republic of Texas was a Mexican whose last name, I forget now, began with a Z, but... Well, the person that wrote the Constitution was Hispanic.
02:16:00.000But they, the public schools, don't want to teach that because the globalists have said they want these illegal aliens here to break up our sovereignty.
02:16:09.000Well, it certainly seems to be an invitation for just that, and nobody seems to take umbrage at these incredible statements that this is our continent.
02:16:21.000We're not illegal in our own continent.
02:16:23.000Well, here's the problem, Larry Pratt, as you know.
02:16:25.00070 plus percent of Americans in major polls are now pro-Second Amendment.
02:16:30.000It's the same thing with abortion, same thing with the borders, but what we want and what's constitutional and what makes sense isn't happening.
02:16:37.000Well, and that's partly because things go on in Washington and they are below the radar.
02:16:44.000I mean, for all the Aggravation that you and I would go through as passengers.
02:16:49.000Really there hasn't been that much said about how stupid this whole passive defense notion is when the cheapest and easiest and I think most effective way to defend a plane is to make it so that the pilot and his co-pilot can take out any bad actor.
02:17:05.000Oh, but they can control hundreds of switches and fly the most complex aircraft out there, but they can't have a firearm.
02:17:14.000We're going to trust them with the lives of all these people with the plane, but we don't trust them with a gun, but we'll trust some guy with a 75 IQ who's a cop.
02:17:24.000We're not going to trust these pilots, who most of them are veterans, but we're going to trust some federal marshal.
02:17:31.000No, no, it's about a monopoly of force.
02:17:34.000As the UN said back in 2000 at a UN summit to ban guns in New York, they said that civilian ownership of firearms threatens a legitimate power monopoly of the state.
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02:22:08.000I knew that Homeland Security had been in Austin a couple years ago, and some locals shot some video of them saying that gun owners are terrorists, and anybody who's got a backpack's a terrorist, and any protester's a terrorist.
02:22:22.000They let me watch the video, but wouldn't let me put it on TV or on the web.
02:22:27.000Because they said they liked George Bush and kind of agreed with it.
02:22:30.000It freaked me out pretty bad, but we had similar video from Kansas City that's in Road to Tyranny.
02:22:35.000We now have the Virginia State Training Manual that says any property rights activist, but this new Texas handout that I got is even worse, so that'll be going up in the next few hours.
02:22:48.000Larry Pratt, I know I'm digressing here in this short segment with you, but I know you're aware of the FBI flyer that said gun owners are terrorists, those that make frequent references to the U.S.
02:23:05.000Well, they've been this frame of mind for some time.
02:23:09.000I know I made the honor roll Specifically and as did Gun Owners of America as an organization during the Clinton administration and at the time I thought well that's just a left-wing Democrat type talk but when it gets carried over into the present administration and they're still talking about people who have a little concern about the government and maybe have a constitution in their hip pocket as people to put on the watch list
02:23:38.000Then I think we know that this is something endemic to the big government here in Russia.
02:23:43.000Well, this is what we would expect if we were in Russia and we had the KGB and Stalin.
02:25:08.000You're talking about Homeland Security.
02:25:10.000Yeah, what Homeland Security has done is taken that concept of only state actors having guns and said, you know, we've got this Patriot Act and we've got these other acts following September 11th and in them it says that if you have taken up arms against the government, you're a terrorist.
02:25:28.000Now forget the fact that the folks in Southern Sudan took up arms and almost beat off fairly successfully the Islamic Jihad from the north and right now and for forty years the Karen minority in Burma, a substantially Christian group, has been resisting genocide and the only way they've been able to do it is by force of arms, at least until they run out of bullets and then have to run into the jungles to hide.
02:25:55.000These people are being dispersed to other countries and Southern Asia, and there was a group of 9,800 that was slated to come to the United States.
02:26:05.000I would call these people freedom fighters, but the Homeland Security Department says, no, we're not going to give a waiver to the law which says anybody that's taken up arms is a terrorist even though they use them in self-defense.
02:26:16.000So basically that would mean today that former French resistance fighters or former Jews or Poles who fought the Nazis couldn't come to America.
02:26:23.000And we could probably go right back to George Washington.
02:27:00.000He shot at redcoats and in fact the terrorism that was conducted during that war was that which was conducted by the Brits, not by the American freedom fighters.
02:27:11.000A big difference and they would like us to forget that as well as the rest of our history.
02:27:16.000We'll be right back with Larry Pratt and get into some of the good news We'll take some of your calls.
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02:30:57.000Elias, Mike, Eddie, many others, your calls are coming up early.
02:31:00.000Larry Pratt, who I'll just keep with us the entire time if he can stay with us.
02:31:04.000Larry, before we go any further and get into the good news you've got for us today, tell us about Gun Owners of America and how we support you, how we get involved.
02:31:12.000We are on the web and we would hope people could Find us there because that's where the first line of defense is often fought through the email.
02:31:21.000There's an email list that we have people can join.
02:31:24.000Once or twice a week they'll get information and a real quick and easy way to respond to Generally the Congress, but I'll explain it a little bit.
02:31:33.000And we've beaten a lot of legislation together at the state and federal level that would have sailed through.
02:31:38.000And particularly I think at the state level we can see quite an impact.
02:31:42.000So if folks go to gunowners.org, that is the place to go for information as well as signing up for that.
02:31:50.000That's a freebie, and if folks want to join us and help keep the lights on, they can do that on that page as well.
02:32:05.000The email actually played a rather helpful role in something that happened in Louisiana Louisiana, of course, was the site of Hurricane Katrina, and we saw this incredible sight of cops taking people's guns long after the storm had
02:32:23.000uh... passed through and the waters were receding and we've got on and that same website gun owners dot org a tab that you can go to for gun confiscation in new orleans and we've got two tv videos that we've preserved and put on that site in about five minutes you can see the audacity of the cops who just assumed that a civilian with a gun is a problem forget the fact that these guys Well, a cop is a civilian.
02:32:52.000You know, this whole militarized nomenclature where mayors call us civilians, presidents do.
02:33:04.000I know, but you're right to use the term that they call us by.
02:33:08.000Well, as long as we make your caveat, I think that was well put.
02:33:12.000And the attitude seemed to have been, well, we resent the fact that you made it through the flood, you warded off the looters, because you were prepared with both food and guns and whatever else you had, and this is an offense to the police state, and so we're going to grab your guns, and they did.
02:33:31.000Now we are seeing across the country legislation going through state legislatures and sometimes we've already had it be signed into law.
02:33:41.000Started in Louisiana, a representative Steve Scalise has been in touch with us from the get-go on making sure that the Wording of the bill didn't get snookered by clever types that were trying to gut the bill by making it look like they were just helping clarify.
02:33:59.000Well, finally, yesterday, the vote in the House on Scalise's bill to prevent, make it illegal for a cop to do what they did in New Orleans, namely steal people's guns.
02:34:14.000First of all, a lot of our email was coming through, and Scalise has mentioned that in more than one of his communications to us, is that his colleagues had mentioned it.
02:34:23.000He had 80 co-sponsors on this bill that there's only 104 members in the state House of Representatives.
02:34:32.000But there's a little bit more to it than the story.
02:34:35.000A recorded vote tells you some things that are not necessarily going to be clear otherwise.
02:34:41.000There was an effort to amend the thing and gut it, even yesterday as they were in the final voting on this measure in the House, and there were 30 people, 30 representatives, who wanted to in effect gut the bill, and yet All of them voted in favor of the better language, the final bill, when it passed.
02:35:02.000So you can see that when it comes down to it, they wanted to be known as sponsors of the bill, and they wanted to be known as voting for it.
02:35:10.000But in reality, 30 of them did their level best to cut it to smithereens.
02:35:41.000I want to play a clip of the gun confiscation going on in the multi-million dollar neighborhood, and they were going to law-abiding citizens' homes where they were high and dry, and not bring food, not bring aid, but go after their guns.
02:36:09.000That's true, Elizabeth, and good evening from New Orleans.
02:36:11.000Here the police and the National Guard find themselves in a very difficult position tonight to try to carry out an order to force people from the city without actually using force.
02:36:25.000Today in New Orleans, they got a lot tougher on the holdouts.
02:36:30.000Not only the flooded areas, but New Orleans' driest and wealthiest neighborhoods too.
02:36:38.000The police and National Guard going street by street, house to house.
02:36:44.000We need to make sure too that whenever we knock on doors, people refuse to leave.
02:37:48.000By the way, the voice that we heard saying no guns will be allowed was that of Eddie Kompas, the police superintendent.
02:37:55.000Who left town in haste because one of the things that the hurricane blew away was the cover of about a third of his police force being as phony as a three dollar bill.
02:38:40.000But the good news is, that was a major wake-up call, what happened in New Orleans.
02:38:45.000Now all these people that, oh, the government doesn't want to confiscate our guns, even if I've been to urban warfare drills for a decade videotaping it, now the denial's over, Larry Pratt.
02:38:54.000Have you found people now really know what's going on?
02:39:29.000It was probably enjoying the anguish of the young troops that were doing something that they knew they shouldn't be doing.
02:39:36.000But other legislators have also seen that.
02:39:39.000In fact, we made a DVD of that and we've sent it out to a number of state legislators who have played it in their chambers or in their committee meetings.
02:39:48.000And it's had a tremendous impact, because when you see that, and you're going to vote against stopping that?
02:39:57.000It's a great litmus test to really see where they stand.
02:40:00.000And so, as the globalists, Larry Pratt, try to move against us, they're going to generate more resistance.
02:40:06.000I mean, certainly this was a test, what they did in New Orleans, and I think they failed miserably.
02:40:11.000They did, and part of the good about this wake-up call, a lot of the laws that are on the books that are now being challenged by these efforts to, shall we say, in our shorthand, pass a Katrina bill and make it illegal to do what it was done, People have found that a lot of those laws were passed right after September 11.
02:40:32.000They were state of emergency type laws and we warned at the time that if you don't amend the way that model bill that came out of the whatever the National Conference of State Legislatures or something like that This thing is going to permit gun confiscation.
02:40:52.000And so now they are going in and at least taking that part of their unconstitutional powers out of the law.
02:41:01.000And I would say that is a very helpful thing.
02:41:04.000Okay, I want to talk to Elias and Mike and Eddie and a few others, and I want to keep to the end of the broadcast, but just for a few minutes here, I want to read this new brochure put out by the Texas Department of Public Safety, the state police, of course federally written.
02:41:20.000Terrorism, what the public needs to know, and it says tattle on anyone, report anyone in your community is the exact wording that fits any of this.
02:41:27.000Remember two years ago they said if somebody has a road atlas in their car, Go ahead and bring them in, police, because that's what terrorists have.
02:41:34.000I mean, everybody who's got a brain has a road atlas in their car.
02:41:58.000Terrorism, what the public needs to know, the Texas Department of Public Safety, Special Crime Service, Counterterrorism Intelligence Unit, I'm going to call them and ask them to come on and tell us who the terrorists are.
02:42:13.000See, they like to use a lesser term, like extremist, to describe something like a terrorist, because then they can interchange the two and use the word extremist on us and not get sued.
02:42:52.000It says that the terrorists will put out posters, leaflets, websites, and underground press publications, conduct and participate in military-type maneuvers, shooting clubs, you name it.
02:43:03.000I would imagine my last trip to the range would have been a military maneuver.
02:43:08.000It says self-defense courses, flight training, any of that, scuba training.
02:43:14.000Well, I've done scuba training and I did self-defense when I was about 14.
02:43:42.000And then it says, identity documents, passports, birth certificates, social security cards, driver's license.
02:43:48.000So anybody that has a driver's license, it says, is a call.
02:43:52.000It says on the back here, if you have a suspicion in your community about any of the pre-incident indicators referenced in this brochure, you should obtain as much information as possible, including, and then it says your name, where you're at, and then call the, call them.
02:45:19.000All these draconian measures that Alex is talking about, are there because they're afraid there's going to be a revolution in this country.
02:45:55.000In fact, if you have a sign around the President of the United States, if it's a hostile sign like a Bush is a bomb or something like that, you're probably going to get the hustle.
02:46:06.000Oh, they're charging that poor Chinese doctor with a terrorism charge of intimidating a foreign official.
02:46:13.000But it was such a sign of an open society when some selected hostile students in China asked pointed questions of President Bush.
02:47:13.000Mr. Pratt, my question to you, Mr. Pratt, is do you think the American citizens have been conditioned enough to willingly give up their guns in the event of a national emergency like Katrina or 9-11?
02:47:23.000Happily, I think the legislation that we're seeing go through with this huge support that it's been getting from people forcing these enormously lopsided majorities, definitely veto-proof majorities, coming out of not just the Louisiana legislature, I think that indicates that in spite of their considerable progress in dumbing us down, we haven't gotten to the point where people think that they don't need their guns or at least They wouldn't like to be able to get a gun somehow.
02:47:52.000But the Chairman of Violence Policy Center back in 2000 in a debate with myself was in the paper said, hey we've already got your children so we're gonna ban the guns just as soon as your children have grown up.
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02:52:21.000And I was listening in on the gun thing, and I remember back here in Hawaii, we used to have these meetings every week, you know?
02:52:30.000And one of the things that was brought up for this Patriot meeting that we used to have was the gun survey that the Marines had to take.
02:53:23.000Yeah, it was your quote of Sugarman that was I'm convinced that in the long run they're going to get us because they're going to educate our children to vote away their freedom and to vote away, of course, our freedom.
02:53:35.000And if we don't stop them, then I think they're absolutely right.
02:53:38.000David in Texas, last caller, go ahead.
02:54:57.000Yeah, I wish I could get into the Reichstag debate, Collar.
02:55:01.000I'm just out of time here, but the Nazis admit that they attacked the town of Gleiwitz and staged all that, and they staged the Reichstag, and so I'm not going to sit there and debate it with people.
02:55:12.000Okay, governments engage in sponsored terror, and there's a lot of people out there prancing around defending Hitler, and I get really tired of it.
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