Big Brother? Mainstream media cover-ups? You want answers? Well, so does Alex Jones. He's Alex Jones, host of The Alex Jones Show on the Conspiracy Theories Network, filling in for Alex for the next three hours, covering a ton of news in the Middle East.
00:00:30.000You are listening to the Alex Jones Show.
00:00:33.000It is Monday, the 17th day of July 2006.
00:00:37.000I'm Jack Blood filling in for Alex Jones today.
00:00:40.000For the next three hours we're going to be taking a lot of calls, covering a lot of news.
00:00:45.000Webster Tarpley will be joining us in the second hour of today's broadcast with his brilliant analysis as to what is going on in the Middle East.
00:00:53.000All of us very carefully watching the Can I say news report?
00:00:59.000News probably wouldn't be the correct word.
00:01:01.000Well, let's just use that for the sake of communication.
00:01:03.000The news reports coming out ad nauseum about the Middle East, and of course every channel, doesn't matter what you watch, if it's PBS, NBC, CBS, ABC.
00:01:15.000Or any of its related affiliates will tell you that poor Israel is merely trying to protect themselves.
00:01:21.000I have a feeling that a majority of this audience wouldn't agree with that.
00:01:26.000Though a recent poll taken at CNN, better known as the CIA's privately owned news service, has reflected that 55% of Americans believe that what Israel is doing in attacking Beirut, attacking Hezbollah, is justified.
00:01:45.000We'll take your pulse on our program today.
00:01:48.000We'll also cover a ton of news and taking your calls here in about 20 minutes.
00:01:53.000This is, uh, recently in from MSNBC.com.
00:01:56.000Bush caught on tape swearing about Syria.
00:01:59.000That's right, the mic was supposed to be turned off, but it was turned on.
00:02:04.000The microphone also picked up other comments from the Middle East to Diet Coke.
00:02:08.000That's right, our president is on aspartame.
00:02:23.000Petersburg, Russia, it wasn't meant to be overheard.
00:02:26.000A private luncheon conversation among world leaders picked up by a microphone provided a rare window into both banter and substance, including President Bush cursing Hezbollah's attack against Israel.
00:02:39.000Bush expressed his frustration with the United Nations and his disgust with the militant Islamic group and its backers in Syria as he talked to Prime Minister Tony Blair during the closing lunch at the Group of Eight summit.
00:02:53.000Quote, see the irony is what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this blankety-blank and it's over.
00:03:02.000Bush told Blair as he chewed on a butter roll.
00:03:05.000Yes, in other words, the president has absolutely no problem using four-letter words and the good Christian that he is when he's Allegedly off the air.
00:03:15.000He told Blair he felt like telling United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan, who visited the gathered leaders, to get on the phone with Syrian President Bashar Assad and quote, make something happen, unquote.
00:03:28.000He suggested Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice might visit the region soon.
00:03:34.000Apparently, All Blair has to do is get on the phone with Kofi Annan and quote-unquote tell him to make something happen, and something will happen.
00:03:45.000And this, I believe, is what is behind the general calling for international peacekeeping troops to be set loose in Beirut, in Lebanon.
00:03:56.000And we've seen what these peacekeeping troops do around the world, don't we?
00:04:00.000Every time there are refugees, every time there are UN peacekeeping troops, We have a lot of ill behavior, elite behavior going on, and for the sake of our young audience, I won't go into any of the details, but I'm sure you can fill in the blank.
00:04:16.000Also, this particular copy suggesting Condoleezza Rice is more of a war secretary of state than we probably ever had before.
00:04:26.000A lot of saber-rattling coming out of the State Department, a lot of stern warnings, and a lot of rhetoric.
00:04:33.000If this is our arm of diplomacy, folks, we are in big, big trouble.
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00:08:22.000I don't want to call any of you losers out there, but there are a number of Americans.
00:08:27.000In fact, Tens of millions, if not a hundred million Americans plus, that have given up their heart and their mind already to the collective, to the propagandists.
00:08:38.000And this is exactly what we are setting out to do in the Middle East, to quote-unquote win the hearts and minds of the Middle Eastern terrorists out there, no matter what the cost, even if we have to kill them to do it!
00:08:53.000I'm Jack Blood, sitting in for Alex Jones today.
00:08:55.000Alex is recharging his batteries and we all need Alex Jones at full capacity, full potential, as we are headlong running into what is called World War III.
00:09:07.000In fact, your friend and mine, Newt Gingrich, on Meet the Press, said exactly that.
00:09:13.000This is World War III and there's little to nothing we can do to stop it at this point.
00:09:46.000But you knew that was coming, didn't you?
00:09:49.000Easier to say than, Iran is coming to the United States.
00:09:52.000And the connections put out by the frothing, screaming heads in the mainstream media, just automatically answering the question for you, who is behind Hezbollah, who is behind Hamas?
00:10:07.000Let me just connect the dots here for you, you dumbed-down Americans, you dumbed-down sheeple out there.
00:10:13.000Let me just connect the dots if you didn't already know.
00:10:16.000Everything that is wrong with the world has to do with Iran, or whoever our enemy might be for the day.
00:10:25.000So as the mainstream media, lamestream media, call them what you might, construct these quote-unquote conspiracy theories, what is the truth?
00:10:35.000Of course, if you listen to this show long enough, you'll understand exactly what the truth is.
00:10:38.000And the fact is, That Israel, Shin Bet, and various global intelligence services put together both of these organizations and monitor them to this day.
00:10:50.000But again, it's very, very easy to blame Iran for everything, especially since they seem to walk right in it.
00:10:57.000But we try to use a little common sense on this program and on this network And I feel that if we are held to the high standards of having to back up everything we say with documentation, with verification, with good sources, and with a little logic and common sense, why shouldn't the lamestream media be doing that?
00:11:16.000Or as Lush Limbaugh calls them, the drive-by media.
00:11:20.000Going back to the story quickly about Bush being caught off of a microphone, and if you haven't heard this, it's all over the web, pretty easy to find.
00:11:29.000It came during these unscripted comments during a photo opportunity at a lunch, and these leaders certainly did not realize they had a live microphone.
00:11:38.000You get to find out how George W. Bush has a preference for Diet Coke.
00:11:42.000He talks about some of the gifts he's received by certain leaders.
00:11:46.000He chats with Vladimir Putin, Pooty Poot, as he's known.
00:11:50.000I wonder if Bush calls him that to his face.
00:11:53.000Expressing amazement that we'll Take Putin and an unidentified leader as long to fly home.
00:13:11.000Oliver North holding up an actual propeller from one of these drones!
00:13:16.000Talking about how the drones could launch several bombs and how they could literally just be launched from the street anywhere a terrorist might be able to get their hands on a drone and any street wide enough you might be able to launch it on.
00:13:30.000Absolutely preposterous and of course prop takes on a double meaning here because this was a prop for Oliver North To illustrate the absolute capabilities of Hezbollah, because they want to paint the picture that these people are highly dangerous, that they have high-level weapons in order to fight this war, in order to justify them even bothering to fight back.
00:13:54.000In order for the mainstream media to spin it in a capacity such as, they started it all in the first place.
00:14:01.000I mean, why would an organization with small rockets, rubber bands and rocks, Start something with the big nuclear country knowing that the weight of the world would come down on them.
00:14:16.000I mean, because of course the answer you'll get from Fox News is that they're just all suicidal and this is a mass suicide, a Jim Jones style suicide on part of Hezbollah and the people of Beirut and Lebanon.
00:14:29.000But of course common sense would tell us something a little bit different.
00:14:35.000Well, later this drone story, which is reminiscent quite a bit of the Iraqi drones we were told that Saddam Hussein had drones that could hit London, and I mean, you know, they laid it on pretty thick.
00:15:09.000They actually, even initially in this particular story, if you catch this minute by minute, the story changes second by second, minute by minute, as they throw out this propaganda, hope that people will bite on it, almost test it on the American people whose hearts and minds they have won.
00:15:23.000But initially, they even tried to pass this off as not an Israeli warship, but an Egyptian cruise liner, or some type of Egyptian pleasure craft.
00:15:34.000But it did, of course, evoke the emotions from the American people and the people of the West at large, which is why, again, the CNN poll reflects the fact that 55% of us, maybe I shouldn't say us, 55% of America, again, saying that Israel is justified in everything that they're doing.
00:15:53.000And you'd think that just about now, the people of the United States, in particular, would have to understand the implications of war.
00:16:02.000Before we so foolishly, so half-heartedly go in and absolutely support Israel in everything that they do, do we understand the ramifications?
00:16:40.000It's pretty easy for us here, safe stateside, to say, kill them all, nuke them.
00:16:45.000But do we understand that that war has already come home in ways that would probably take about two hours to describe?
00:16:53.000From the economy spending trillions of dollars in foreign intervention Look, there are real threats to security at this point, security being what it is, control and illusion, but there are real threats, with wide open borders, more enemies of this country coming up than ever before.
00:17:17.000Is there a possibility that we're about to become the front line in the war on terror?
00:17:23.000Well, certainly if you read some of the copy from many of the sources I get, that's exactly what you're going to hear.
00:18:39.000Because again, people get very white-knuckled, very red-faced.
00:18:44.000This is an obvious example of controlled belief systems.
00:18:51.000When you get upset, when you get angry, when your back gets up, And you're ready to go start fighting without even thinking about the consequences.
00:18:59.000This goes to the old quote about beating the drums of war and getting people to fall into this phony patriotism.
00:19:08.000And it doesn't matter what you say at that point, they're off and running.
00:19:13.000And if we don't understand the horror of war alone by looking at Afghanistan and Iraq, then I guess we're never going to learn.
00:19:22.000Maybe what it's going to take is foreign troops kicking down your door in order for you to figure it out.
00:19:28.000Maybe it's going to take bombs going off constantly in our cities, whether they be real or imagined, whether they be false flag or rogue.
00:19:38.000Maybe that's what it's going to take for us to wake up a little bit and understand what we were getting ourselves into when we back people like George W. Bush and the State of Israel.
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00:24:35.000Music This is in no way desirable, again these are the talking points of the European Union.
00:24:43.000The consequences could really be uncontrollable.
00:24:47.000Foreign Minister of Finland told Reuters.
00:24:51.000Going back to the last question I'm asking here, and again, I'm Jack Blood sitting in for Alex Jones today.
00:24:56.000Yes, you have the right program and the right network, GCN Radio Network.
00:25:06.000Well, that of course is by arming People around the world, countries around the world, third world, second world, first world countries with their technology and their war apparatus, but generally the way Israel supports itself is through contributions and funding through people like the United States of America, Britain, France, you name them, they fund them.
00:25:30.000And this is exactly what they're going to be doing with their money.
00:25:40.000From, is Israel allowed to attack all of her neighbors?
00:25:45.000And I gotta tell you, I don't know if I'll do this in this program today or in the next, but there's interesting information in Armed Madhouse by Greg Pallas, which really gets into the whole effort by Saudi Arabia, what their angle is in all of this.
00:26:00.000Saudi Arabia condemning Iran, Because there is definitely a war between the Persians and the Arabs.
00:26:09.000And there is definitely an agenda, an agenda I think pursued simultaneously by the Bush administration, by the Cheney administration, and by guys like Osama Bin Laden.
00:26:19.000Of course, we know why that's simultaneous, and why they seem to be sharing each other's memos.
00:26:27.000But the overall look that you get from someone like Osama Bin Laden is that he wants to conquer the Middle East oil fields.
00:26:35.000This is why he said, and he put out many messages saying, don't destroy the oil fields, no matter what you do.
00:26:41.000Yeah, blow things up, but don't destroy the oil fields.
00:26:44.000Well, whoever said that and put those words in Osama Bin Laden's mouth, or if Osama Bin Laden said it himself, I don't think it really matters.
00:26:52.000We see the overall agenda which seems to be locked in Saudi Arabia, Al-Qaeda, the United States, British Petroleum, that being England, and the Dutch.
00:27:05.000We see a parallel going where they all seem to be trying to accomplish the same ends.
00:27:12.000And then of course more rhetoric where The cable news networks are trying to blame the high price of gas on Iran right now.
00:28:19.000I was wondering what you would anticipate the reaction domestically if there was some sort of terrorist attack or something like that you're talking about, or if the draft was reinstated out of necessity due to a conflict.
00:28:33.000Well, to answer your first question, I would have to say that the reaction would be panic and it would be very close to what we saw after 9-11.
00:28:42.000Though again, there would be a lot of dissenters.
00:28:47.000We're looking at potentially 70 million people not buying that the terrorist attack will be from the accused terrorist.
00:28:53.000So that could be really quite a divide.
00:28:57.000But I think in general, the average person will probably become panicked and scared and do whatever the government tells them to do.
00:29:05.000As far as the draft goes, I'm skeptical that there will need to be a draft just because there are a lot of people signing up.
00:29:13.000The majority of the people that are needed now in the modern military have to have some type of a technical background.
00:29:19.000I'm not sure they can get away with that, but of course if that did happen and kids off the street were being ripped out of their homes and drafted and sent to the front lines, I would assume you would see millions of people on the street within hours.
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00:33:55.000Or are these meant to be targets for a coming false flag operation?
00:34:00.000You see, it's very difficult to trust anything that goes on with Israel in the Middle East because of the history of false flag attacks, the history of funding terrorism themselves and then pointing the finger at their own prefactory-made boogeyman, Emanuel Goldstein, as it were, all taking on different names.
00:34:20.000It's very difficult to believe any of this.
00:34:23.000So, of course, we're left on our own really struggling for the truth.
00:34:27.000One thing we do know for sure Talking about Syria, talking about Israel, talking about Lebanon, is that there have been targets hit, Syrian military assets, places very close, very near to Syria, and we're really waiting any second now for the bombing to begin and for the ante to be upped here quite significantly.
00:34:48.000Also, over the weekend, China had signed on to a UN Security Council Oh well, a wrist slapping of North Korea.
00:34:58.000China was really hesitant to sign into that, and Bolton came out and said, well he's very convincing and I think that the question has to be, what did China get in return?
00:35:07.000Because obviously they're not giving us something for nothing here.
00:35:13.000For signing on to this rather weak resolution, of course North Korea coming out immediately rejecting the call to remove all their missiles.
00:35:21.000I mean, Ah, it doesn't make any sense.
00:35:36.000Jack, have you heard of the title of this book, AWOL, How the Upper Classes are Absent from Military Service, authored by Frank Schaefer and Kathy Hayes?
00:35:45.000No, I haven't, but I've read a lot of information just like that.
00:35:54.000Oh yes, this is a segway what the other prior callers to the museum had.
00:36:01.000You had mentioned something regarding Oliver North and so, wasn't Michael Levine, the DA officer, said if he had his way back in, Oliver North would be underneath the jail?
00:36:11.000Well, I would think, and Mike Levine should know.
00:36:15.000Former DEA agent Celica Steele, they know.
00:36:19.000Obviously, everybody seems to know, and he got away with lying to Congress over and over again, and I ran contrary.
00:36:26.000All of a sudden, he reinvents himself by peeing on Fox and the Bush's network.
00:36:32.000Well, I mean, regarding it, I think it's pretty easy for all of us to see.
00:36:36.000Maybe we're preaching to the choir a little bit here, Chase.
00:36:38.000I mean, we all know that these people are chicken hawks, that they avoided war at every cost because, of course, they're too good to go.
00:36:45.000They can't give their lives to fight in war, and at least George Herbert Walker Bush and at least the Kennedys made some type of an attempt.
00:36:54.000John Kerry made some type of an attempt to put something on their war resumes.
00:36:59.000Someone said Tom Cancredo was the same way.
00:37:03.000You know, a lot of this is just putting something on your war resume and at least going to try to fight.
00:37:09.000I mean, we've got records of George Herbert Walker Bush literally almost killing or did kill a bunch of his men to save himself.
00:37:19.000So their war records are suspect, but at least they went.
00:37:23.000Also, Jack, how is it that here, once again, the entertainment, math, cultural, spectator event is not in the world?
00:37:31.000But here's all people, George Mitchell, the same George Mitchell that's going to investigate steroids, but don't investigate, does any owner own stock in a pharmaceutical company?
00:37:44.000Does any owner own stock in like, we sounded like the Eli Lilly Corporation, like Dick Gregory did some research some years ago.
00:37:53.000Eli Lilly Company that Jim Jones was on the board of directors and the Bush's on stock in that too.
00:37:59.000Here's this George Mitchell all of a sudden who has CFR connections.
00:38:04.000Yeah, well he's supposed to attempt to curb steroids in sports and baseball.
00:38:10.000He actually owned a baseball team and he's a baseball team owner.
00:38:13.000I mean, obviously, that's a big can of worms though Chase.
00:38:17.000We're just going to go ahead and drop that right there.
00:38:19.000Certainly, we've done a lot of reporting on the pharma cartels, the pharmaceutical industries, and of course, what we find are the usual suspects.
00:38:27.000People like Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, the Bush family, Donald Rumsfeld, and others, heavily tied in to these pharma cartels.
00:38:35.000Largely owned, by the way, by the Rockefeller Foundation.
00:38:53.000I was just wanting to ask something, I guess.
00:38:57.000Hearing people like Newt Gingrich and all the conservative talking heads this weekend and today talking well gung-ho about going to war with, well, Iran.
00:39:07.000They're saying it's the head of the snake and all that.
00:39:11.000I guess I was going to touch on something a caller or two beforehand did.
00:39:15.000The only way I see that working is a draft.
00:39:18.000Well, someone just asked this, and I've got to tell you, I'm really skeptical about the draft.
00:39:23.000But then again, if we have World War III, and we're fighting in Iran, and we're fighting in North Korea, and God knows where else we might be fighting, then of course, you probably are going to see a draft.
00:39:34.000You're going to see a world divided nearly 50-50, right down the middle, going at each other, as we've seen in the past.
00:39:41.000But what have we learned from the other world wars?
00:39:43.000Primarily, I think what we've learned is that those wars were engineered for profit and control.
00:40:10.000I have feelings on both sides of the issue, but I think that because, again, we have a midterm election here, because, again, the power brokers are running a little bit scared.
00:40:18.000Nothing like a major distraction, such as we're seeing now in the Middle East, to take people's minds off their problems.
00:40:24.000That's what I'm hoping it is, is just distraction.
00:40:28.000I wonder, though, because it just, I don't know, it seems like everybody's just Well, anybody that... Well, I mean, look, and I mention this, this is the third time I'm going to mention this, uh, 55% in just one poll saying they're behind Israel here in this country.
00:40:39.000If that's the test, then it appears that there's a blank check written to the powers that be to keep going with more war.
00:41:17.000We don't even really know at this point.
00:41:19.000And I think that Syria and even Hezbollah has declined to even confirm that they did kidnap these two Israeli soldiers.
00:41:26.000And then again, there's the debate on where did they kidnap them, and are they prisoners of war or did they get kidnapped but ultimately here to go over to go to war to start bombing a modern city to start killing innocent civilians and collateral damage over this uh is is this boggles the imagination and really belies common sense i appreciate the call thomas let's go to paul in texas you're on the alex jones show paul hi jack how are you i'm okay
00:41:54.000long-time listener from aptin wisconsin i'm a I'm here vacationing in Austin.
00:42:05.000Alex is spending a little time away from the microphone in order to recharge his batteries and should be back on the program this Wednesday.
00:42:13.000Alright, well you've got a nice website, JackBlood.com.
00:42:16.000My question for you is, what can we do, this is kind of general, what can we do other than Listen to your programs.
00:42:37.000I think the best answer I can give you is to pick out something that you're really passionate about because it's going to take a lot of work.
00:42:44.000Pick out something that you're really against, whether it be cameras up on the street corners, whether it be data basing, whether it be no knocking or the evisceration of the 4th and 5th Amendment rights, or maybe you want to go ahead and back the 2nd Amendment, your right to keep and bear arms.
00:43:00.000But pick something out that you're really passionate about.
00:43:11.000I'd go knock on your door and meet your neighbors and have neighborhood and community meetings.
00:43:16.000If you like, if all of that is too complex, simply make a flyer, or take a newsletter, or take some information, print up mass copies of it, as many as you can afford, as cheaply as you can, and put them out on the parking lots at concerts, or at sports arenas, or downtown while people are shopping, or at shopping malls.
00:43:36.000You know, Pippa, pick something out that you are really passionate about.
00:43:40.000Whatever your line in the sand is, maybe it's not taking microchips.
00:43:43.000Maybe it's to stop regional government and the Pan-American or the American Union.
00:43:48.000Find something that you really believe in and are passionate about and go at it with a hundred percent, not a hundred and ten percent, because that doesn't exist.
00:43:58.000One hundred percent, all the time you have, get behind it, get the information out, and you'll see that just waking people up, just getting the information to people, they're not getting anywhere else.
00:45:12.000We've talked extensively about AIPAC and other lobbying groups, especially Israeli lobbying groups, as again we're talking about this Middle East war today.
00:45:20.000What I'm talking about is Billy Six-Pack that's been sitting on the couch and saying, yeah, war, war, war.
00:45:26.000Okay, well we're going for the war, but we have to make sure that, you know, God forbid, There's a cabinet fascination and we have to put new people into power.
00:45:44.000And just have them come up with the reasoning.
00:45:47.000What you're mentioning is a Socratean method of questioning, instead of providing the answers for people, getting them to answer in the way that you would normally speak to them.
00:45:58.000So, in other words, instead of dumping a whole lot of information on them, let's just take 9-11 for instance, Ask them, you know, do you think the government's story about 9-11 checks out?
00:46:08.000Do you think they're telling the truth?
00:46:12.000Now we're going into a number of circles, and it's probably my fault here, but what I wanted to say in the beginning is, what would George Washington think about war?
00:46:21.000And he would say, hey, don't go fight other people's wars.
00:46:24.000We don't have an obligation to go overthrow the head of Iraq.
00:46:28.000We don't have an obligation to get involved or entangled in foreign wars all of our founding fathers believe that and we do have an obligation to protect ourselves though not in a linear fashion where we're fighting on the front lines in Iraq.
00:46:43.000Well, it would be more of an approval, but okay, now that we're in this thing, we're going to have to fight it to win it, so how do we do that?
00:46:50.000Okay, well, once that's won, you're going to have to give back all your war powers, and we're going to have to enforce it just to make sure that the wrong people do get in, you know, that we can pull it all the way back.
00:47:01.000I can't really disagree with that, though.
00:47:04.000Unfortunately, one thing we always have to remember is we've been in a number of entanglements in the past where we were told we had to have an outright win.
00:47:11.000Let's just use Vietnam for an example.
00:47:14.000And when we jumped out of Vietnam, the world didn't fall to communism, or some might argue it did covertly, but ultimately, you know, we didn't lose everything that the pundits and the think tankers and the Council on Foreign Relations And a lot of hawks said we would.
00:47:30.000We got out of there, it wasn't a problem, we quit losing lives, we quit spending as much money, and we just simply walked right out.
00:47:37.000But the problem is, is getting in these positions in the first place.
00:47:40.000Here we are trying to defend the wars we're already in, several by the way folks, in case you've lost count.
00:47:47.000Many different wars in multiple theaters.
00:47:50.000This is coming right after the PNAC document.
00:47:53.000This is exactly what they said they wanted to do.
00:47:55.000And yet we are considering and possibly leading up to fighting even more wars.
00:48:00.000I mean, at this point, I gotta think it's pretty easy to get through to Joe's six-pack.
00:48:05.000You're not going to be able to afford that six-pack or the gas-to-go drive to get it if we don't quit fighting these wars.
00:48:13.000Again, this is going in a little bit of a circle, but I think that all those points are valid.
00:48:17.000It's such a huge, momentous, monolithic job to try to save what's left of the United States government at this point.
00:48:26.000And I think the best thing we could do is empower the people to understand what power that they do have, what information really is, how to discern information for themselves and think for themselves and protect their minds from this war that is generally Prostigated onto their own minds.
00:48:42.000So, if we can do that, then the rest of it, I think, all comes naturally.
00:48:46.000If we can teach people, in general, that there is no difference between left and right, that there is no difference between the Republicans or the Demopublicans, that we have a one-party system, that most, if not everybody in Congress, is bought and paid for, and that we need to have full disclosure from our representatives who are doing all of this through proxy, Using you, the people, as an excuse.
00:49:12.000They have your authority to go do all of this.
00:49:15.000But if we have full disclosure from them, if we're able to monitor everything that these people do in public service, and we again put the power back to the people as trite as a statement as that might be, then certainly we'll begin to see more and more changes.
00:49:29.000But I'm pretty proud, Joe, of what we've accomplished.
00:49:33.000I'd say over the last four or five years, we have really come to almost a critical mass.
00:49:38.000And I'd hedge to say we're at a point now where we're at the end of the beginning.
00:49:43.000Not the beginning of the end, the end of the beginning!
00:49:47.000Anyway, as far as separation of powers and corruption goes in this country, and even the puppet masters, the New World Order, the globalists, the internationalists, I think we're getting through to people.
00:50:01.000I think we're seeing a lot of the results now.
00:50:04.000And I believe that part of the reason that we're digging in, part of the reason we have to find these new violent distractions, this all-in-out...
00:50:14.000Wargasm, as I like to call it, an orgy of death in the Middle East is because we need this distraction.
00:50:20.000Because again, we're putting their backs to the wall.
00:50:23.000Simply by just putting out information.
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00:54:54.000We talked in that last segment briefly about what can I do, and I gotta tell you folks, if I had a nickel for every time I was asked that question over the last five years, I'd be pretty well off at this point.
00:55:11.000And that's a common question, and I think that what we have to do is follow success.
00:55:16.000What has worked over the last few years?
00:55:19.000And what has worked is getting people information, working with people on that information, organizing and getting out and being a leader in your community.
00:55:28.000One way to do this, one way to make it all very easy,
00:55:31.000is to go to the websites PrisonPlanet.com, InfoWars.com, JonesReport.com, even JackBlood.com and get information and get the analysis that goes with the information because as these stories break in the news every day and we're able to decode them almost instantly you can go to your loved ones and say hey here's a documented report about how North Korea actually got their missiles and it will change the entire perspective
00:56:01.000On what really is going on in the world.
00:56:03.000And by the way, where did North Korea get their missiles?
00:56:05.000Well, they generally got them from Pakistan.
00:56:08.000Yes, we know that Donald Rumsfeld was in there brokering low-water nuclear reactors as well, so you can attach something worthy to the missiles.
00:56:17.000But a lot of the technology, a lot of the nuclear technology even, how to take the low-water nuclear reactors, how to make actual plutonium out of those, you know, came through Pakistan, at least my belief.
00:56:29.000And how did Pakistan get their secrets?
00:56:41.000You start seeing the full picture come together, but you need to get that information out to people.
00:56:46.000Just about everything I told you is in TerrorStorm.
00:56:49.000It's a great film, especially as we're amping up to Iran right now, to understand the history of Iran, to understand the history of false flag terror events, to understand the history of where the money trail goes, who's funding whom, who's training what terrorist, quote-unquote terrorist organization, all in Terror Storm, and it's getting rave reviews All around the world, and I've seen it, there are actually some Alex Jones autographed copies which are going fast left.
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00:59:41.000We all have to get away from this every once in a while, and I'm sure you understand that.
00:59:45.000And, well, I guess I'll be scheduling my vacation sometime next year or the year after.
00:59:50.000Going to ground zero though, going around the country speaking, doing what I can, literally for free, sometimes even paying, to get out there and get the message out.
01:00:01.000We have accomplished so much, and that always means to me that we have to redouble our efforts.
01:00:06.000And if we can get people energized, get people excited, get people motivated to get out there, to get some notches in your gun, to get some... That's a metaphor, folks.
01:00:24.000You know, all of us out here who oppose the system, who question authority, Who are rebellious in nature, generally have addictive personalities, will get addicted to fighting against tyranny, get addicted to preserving liberty and freedom for our children and our grandchildren.
01:00:44.000Not a more important time in history as we face the technological overlords, the scientific dictatorship in a way that no generation has ever had to face Thousands, millions of years before us.
01:01:02.000And it's exciting to get out there and get active and start fighting.
01:01:06.000Webster Tarpley joining us here in just a few minutes and we'll pick his rather generous brain, his large brain on exactly what is going on in the Middle East, what's going on around the world.
01:01:18.000Great analysis always coming from Webster Tarpley.
01:01:29.000Earlier, I believe you were discussing what percentage of the public would be skeptical of the government's boogeyman version of yet another government-sponsored act of terrorism?
01:01:40.000Well, I believe that, let's see, five years ago, the government, the people in general weren't as Internet-savvy as they are now, and what I think would happen would be somehow the government would find a way to cripple and sabotage the Internet in some way, so we'd all be forced to cower around a little lantern and listen to ABC or one Only single network situation.
01:01:59.000Are you familiar with the net neutrality bills currently in the Senate right now?
01:02:04.000I've heard about Alex Jones talking about them, how they're looking for ways to... They're going to hijack the internet and they're going to price us out of it.
01:02:11.000So I don't know if they're going to crash it per se, but one way to do this is to tax it and price people out of it so that it's hard to get real information so that you're again at the mercy of the talking heads.
01:03:10.000I have degenerative disc disease, so I spend a lot of time in front of the computer, and there's a couple of things I want to mention, though.
01:03:16.00095% of you guys bring out the truth, and I've seen every movie, everything you guys have, and I totally agree with it.
01:03:27.000Uh, slamming Israel, though, because in the Bible it says God will bless those countries that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel.
01:03:33.000So, you have to realize, even if there's bad, uh... Well, we better, we better start getting into semantics and figuring out what he meant by Israel.
01:03:41.000I'm not sure if he meant the Balfour Rothschild Israel or another Israel, and that, uh, is something that we could talk about.
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01:07:35.000And we just have to do a little homework and find out how all of this began, and we would probably be a little less supportive of the biblical version of Israel.
01:07:44.000But we'll go right out of that and right into Webster Tarpley.
01:07:48.000Webster Tarpley's great book, 9-11 Synthetic Terror Made in the USA, is a must-read for everybody.
01:07:55.000It covers both the World Trade Center 93 9-11 and the terrorist cause, as we should know it.
01:08:09.000You know, when this whole thing brewed up in the Middle East, I thought, well, the first person I want to get the opinion of is Webster Tarpley.
01:08:15.000I've got to know what Webster's thinking about all of this.
01:08:17.000So, where do you want to start with this, Webster?
01:08:23.000Why don't we start with recent developments, and then we can get to some causes going back to 1975 or 1982, and I think we also have to talk about the Geneva Accords, which is, I think, the universally recognized means of getting out of this.
01:08:38.000In other words, ending the Israeli occupation of the occupied territories.
01:08:42.000But I think the immediate background is something like this.
01:08:46.000We have a meeting in Beaver Creek, Colorado.
01:08:51.000In the middle of June, just about a month ago now, which was attended by Cheney, by Rumsfeld, and by Netanyahu, the prominent extreme right-wing or neo-fascist Israeli politician.
01:09:09.000And out of this apparently came the notion of starting a war on the lines of what we've seen so far, But with the very strong option of turning this into a general Middle East war by means of an attack on Syria and or Iran, and I guess the preferred option is Syria and Iran.
01:09:31.000You will have noticed the litany, the propaganda, brainwashing litany that's coming from all of the controlled corporate media, from the Israeli government, from Condoleezza Rice, from Bush and so forth as he reads his lines.
01:09:46.000Is that Syria and Iran support Hezbollah and therefore they have got to be in the bullseye.
01:09:52.000So the idea is we had Netanyahu at the American Enterprise Institute Conference in Beaver Creek, Colorado mid-June.
01:10:00.000We also had Olmert here in Washington, the Prime Minister, at the end of May.
01:10:06.000And around that same time, Tony Blair also in Washington.
01:10:09.000And it was clear at that time that some, as Bush said in his press conference with Blair, they talked about Iran The entire time, and it seems to be something like this, that what we're going to be treated to now over the next several weeks is continuous Israeli bombing, and this is bombing of the civilian infrastructure of Lebanon.
01:10:32.000This is bombing electrical power plants, water treatment facilities.
01:10:37.000The Israelis have destroyed about 50 bridges inside Lebanon.
01:10:44.000They have targeted the Lebanese Army, which makes no sense in terms of what they say that they're doing.
01:10:49.000They've got a sea blockade going, which has cut off the arrival of fuel in the form of fuel oil and gasoline.
01:10:58.000They've got the airport destroyed, as you've seen.
01:11:01.000They've got the fuel dumps at the airport destroyed and burning.
01:11:05.000And basically an interdiction of all of the highways that lead out of this country so it is a war against the civilian population sounds like Ramadi a little bit like when we forgotten that happened a few weeks ago but it sounds a lot like what happened in Ramadi.
01:11:29.000These are high crimes against humanity in the sense of the Nuremberg precedent and this I think was invoked by the Prime Minister of Lebanon But this is only the beginning.
01:11:40.000Now, the idea would be that at a certain point, we see that the Hamas has been able to supply itself with certain kinds of rockets.
01:11:51.000These are short-range rockets with no particular accuracy, but they have had some effect.
01:11:57.000In the process, they have shown that the policy of unilateralism, as pursued by Sharon and Olmert, is absolutely untenable, because these were people who told the Israelis Don't make peace.
01:12:11.000All you need to do is build that wall around Israel, and actually far into the Palestinian territory.
01:12:19.000Not at all on the Green Line, but well in advance of it, well forward of what would ever go to Israel under any kind of a political settlement.
01:12:27.000So they're told that they can hunker down behind that wall and simply ignore everybody on the outside.
01:12:33.000And this has turned out to be as illusory as the Maginot Line.
01:12:37.000The Maginot Line, of course, you could go around it.
01:12:39.000In the case of this wall, the rockets go over it.
01:12:42.000And this shows that without a political solution, there will simply be endless war, and there will be zero security for the people in Lebanon.
01:12:51.000The main issue now is that at a certain point, we can imagine Olmert throwing his hands up and saying, that's it, I've had enough, we've had missiles coming down in Haifa or Tel Aviv or some other place.
01:13:03.000And now we're going to have a massive air attack against Syria.
01:13:07.000This is widely speculated through intelligence reports that the Israeli Defense Force is preparing a sneak attack on the Syrian radar and air force facilities, such as they are.
01:13:18.000They're not modern, but they do have some weight, and they're there.
01:13:23.000That this would then be an attack against Syria, and it might also include some kind of mad adventure whereby the Israelis Launch an attack on Iran.
01:13:34.000Now, they do not have the logistical depth to do a serious job on Iran, certainly, but this would then be a general war.
01:13:44.000It would be expected that the Syrians and the Iranians would retaliate against Israel with such means as they have, which could turn out to be fairly substantial.
01:13:56.000But you see, the defect with this scenario, from the point of view of Cheney and company, Is that this would be the U.S.
01:14:02.000dragged into war as the tail on the Israeli kite, as the tail on the Israeli dog, if you will.
01:14:08.000And therefore, what I've been concerned about during the weekend is the potential for false flag operations done by the Israelis using the fact that we've got 25,000 American citizens, people carrying American passports, inside Lebanon.
01:14:30.000military establishment and our wonderful State Department under Condoleezza Rice have been able, according to the figures that I've seen, they've been able to get 21 people out.
01:14:40.000Now this means, this is a scandal of super Katrina proportions.
01:14:45.000Six days into the crisis, no Americans have been helped out.
01:14:49.000But everybody else, every other country, has managed to get their people out.
01:14:52.000That is correct, and let's go through them.
01:14:54.000We've got Spain, Greece, Austria, South Africa, Switzerland, France, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Italy, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Poland, the Emirates, all of those have been able to get substantial numbers of their nationals out of the country.
01:15:14.000According to some cable reports, Italians and South Africans began leaving with the help of their embassy on Thursday.
01:15:21.000Now you've heard Americans complaining on cable television.
01:15:49.000Consulate is saying, stay where you are, don't make a move.
01:15:52.000Now, the suspicion therefore grows that these Americans are being held hostage for some kind of atrocity or provocation, which would be masterminded by intelligence agencies and the obvious suspects, U.S., Britain, Israel, this is no mystery who would be doing this, in order To get some Americans killed, and then pin that on Hezbollah, and there you have a one-way ticket into World War III.
01:16:20.000And again, the non-feasance and malfeasance of the State Department and the Pentagon is overwhelming.
01:16:25.000Imagine what kind of assets Poland has in the Mediterranean compared to the U.S.
01:16:41.000Although we're fighting two wars over there right now with most of our infrastructure in place, I mean, I guess we have a pretty good shot at rescuing people from there.
01:16:49.000Absolutely, and if there were any serious demand to do this, the Italians did an exemplary operation.
01:17:13.000There's no government that tells them what to do with it.
01:17:16.000You could simply have helicopters flying from Cyprus over to Lebanon.
01:17:22.000You could get a lot of these people out.
01:17:23.000You could basically, they could all be out already.
01:17:27.000Now, I also have to point to the absolute non-feasance of Bush.
01:17:30.000A real President of the United States would demand a ceasefire, and he would demand a ceasefire for general reasons, because this is an Israeli aggression, and it's unprovoked, and we'll show how it's unprovoked.
01:17:44.000But also, he would say, I'm demanding a ceasefire, among other things, because I have 25,000 American citizens in the country, and I'm also concerned about our Canadian friends.
01:17:54.000The Canadians have Something like 40,000 Canadians in Lebanon that are now being bombed.
01:18:08.000Now, it's obvious that these people count for nothing.
01:18:11.000And of course, the racism that we saw with Katrina comes back to haunt us, because they will say, well, those are hyphenated Americans, those are Arab Americans, those people are, you know, they're somehow connected to Lebanon.
01:18:24.000Well, I'm sorry, an American citizen is an American citizen and deserves what we used to call the full protection of the laws, but obviously this means nothing to Bush, nothing to Condoleezza Rice, Hang on Webster, I know you're on a roll.
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01:23:33.000Where we left off, and Webster, you sent me this, hold Mossad, Shin Bet, Israeli Defense Forces responsible for the safety of these 25,000 Americans in Lebanon now.
01:23:43.000It is absolutely preposterous that those people are left there by our president.
01:23:49.000Our president that should have some control over a country like Israel, who should be able to say, cease fire till I get my people out, and then if you gotta keep bombing, bomb away.
01:23:58.000But again, this really reveals how close Our government is with Israel, and as you say, has false flag terror, mass casualties, American casualties written all over it.
01:24:12.000I think it would be reasonable for an American president worthy of the name, first of all, to demand a ceasefire for the sake of the peace of the world, and to stop these humanitarian monstrosities that are going on.
01:24:23.000But with a special eye towards the 25,000 Americans who are there, The statement ought to be, we hold the Israeli government and all of its military and security agencies personally responsible for the welfare of those Americans, and if any of them get killed by bombing or, above all, by false flag provocations, there will be no $4 billion aid check for Israel coming out of the U.S.
01:24:49.000The $10 billion of loan guarantees that were conceded in the first half of this decade also should be abrogated.
01:24:58.000I would add to that, from our point of view inside this country, we should put Ms.
01:25:02.000Rice on notice that she better not be shopping on 5th Avenue for more Gucci shoes, because her job is to protect Americans in a place like Lebanon.
01:25:13.000Anybody gets killed in Lebanon among the U.S.
01:25:16.000community, the State Department also has to be held ...responsible for their massive failure.
01:25:33.000We look at some of the British tabloids.
01:25:35.000We find that Britons are protesting that the British Embassy in Beirut is ignoring them completely, and they're calling the BBC to complain.
01:25:45.000Why doesn't the Foreign Office and the British Embassy Do anything to help us.
01:25:49.000Maybe they're also being dangled out there as bait for false flag operations.
01:25:54.000But it is a colossal scandal and people ought to make that known to their congressmen, senators.
01:25:59.000We're paying a tremendous budget for the State Department.
01:26:02.000A lot of that is consular activity to help people that are in these straits.
01:26:07.000Uh, if you've seen the State Department spokesman, he goes on the air at the end of last week saying, well, you're on your own, we're not going to help you out.
01:26:13.000We urge you to leave, but that was at the time when there was a sea blockade, the airport destroyed, and all the roads under bombardment.
01:26:20.000And if we look at the State Department Communicate, it reminds everybody that it won't be free.
01:26:25.000You're going to have to be billed for the cost of getting you out.
01:26:29.000I don't know what we have a government for.
01:27:21.000In addition to this question of how the U.S.
01:27:24.000might be embroiled, we have to think about the strategic implications.
01:27:29.000If we had some atrocity, some massacre, committed against the Americans who have been hung out to dry and left dangling in Lebanon.
01:27:39.000This would then become grist for the mill for the hysterical media operation that we've seen with Fox, but we've also seen CNN, MSNBC, all joining in.
01:27:49.000All of the US networks pretty much are on a full war footing, a full propaganda regime, that they would blame that on Hezbollah and Iran.
01:28:00.000And let's see now what happens if the U.S.
01:28:06.000It ought to be known to people that Russia, the Russian Federation, a considerable power, with many, many ICBMs still left in good order, have a naval base at Tartus in Syria.
01:28:19.000If that base were bombed, that would begin the slide towards World War III.
01:28:24.000Let's come back with that when we get back.
01:28:26.000We'll also talk about UN peacekeepers and who is Hezbollah.
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01:32:21.000One of the things that's fiction, at least in my mind, watching the conspiracy theories being woven By the establishment media, trying to arrive at the conclusion that Iran is ultimately behind all of this and they're using Syria and Hezbollah to do that.
01:32:47.000Not the conspiracy theories involved here.
01:32:50.000All the pieces of the puzzle link up through a variety of actions that we, as news people and pundits, try to interpret.
01:32:57.000Let's look at what the facts and what the history here is.
01:33:01.000Webster Tarpley, before we went to break, you were talking about a Russian naval base in Syria.
01:33:06.000I wanted to let you finish with that, and let's get into who is Hezbollah.
01:33:10.000The Russian naval base at Tartus has been maintained at a low level of activity, but it's there, and it has been there ever since the end of the Cold War.
01:33:21.000So you bomb that, you're killing significant numbers of Russians.
01:33:24.000The other thing is, over the past weeks, I had picked up stories that a Russian surface-to-air missile battalion, SAM batteries, had been transferred by Russia into Syria.
01:33:37.000Now that means that if the Israelis try to attack Syria, they're going to start to lose significant numbers of planes, and that goes for anybody else trying to make such an attack.
01:34:19.000I just want to mention one other thing.
01:34:21.000The constant story that we're told is that the two Israelis on the Northern Front were kidnapped from Israeli territory, and it looks like this is not true.
01:34:31.000Most of the evidence points to the fact that the two Israelis were on Lebanese territory.
01:34:37.000They had violated the Lebanese border.
01:34:39.000There's a newspaper in Germany called Junge Welt, and they quote some papers in Lebanon, Al Manar, a Lebanese news agency, that in the course of June, in particular, the Lebanese army had discovered a Mossad cell operating in Lebanon.
01:35:00.000This had been set up by a guy called Meir Dagan.
01:35:04.000Meir Dagan is one of the bosses of the Mossad.
01:36:06.000There's some indication that it was done From the air by a bomb that might have been dropped by the Israeli Air Force, let's say.
01:36:13.000It was blamed on Syria, but let's be very clear to the listeners, Webster, if they had any actual proof of Assad being part of this assassination attempt on Hariri, we would have heard about it.
01:36:22.000Well, we had the Millis report at the United Nations, and the Millis report simply said nothing can happen in Lebanon without Syria approving of it.
01:36:31.000With these revelations, we see that plenty happens in Lebanon that has nothing to do with Syria, that the Mossad has been killing people left and right, setting off car bombs, trying to foment ethnic conflict, and of course we know that there are plenty of Israeli special forces teams inside Lebanon now, not just the one that was announced this afternoon.
01:36:52.000So, the evidence points to the fact that the Israelis now become the prime suspect in the Hariri killing, which was the basis of the big US hysterical campaign last year, that the Syrians had to leave, that the Syrians were bad, and so forth.
01:37:07.000And ironically, it was the success of that campaign, forcing the Syrians out, that led to the creation of the current government under Senora.
01:37:16.000So, Senora, the guy you see on television, is basically An asset of the U.S.
01:37:22.000and he's being destroyed by the Israelis.
01:37:26.000has a Middle East policy is out the window.
01:37:29.000The Israelis don't care about any of that.
01:37:31.000The Israelis do whatever they want and this pathetic little twerp that we have in the White House feels that it's up to him to come out and announce his emphatic approval of whatever Olmert does.
01:37:43.000It was already a deep humiliation for the United States.
01:37:48.000When General Scowcroft pointed out that Bush was in Sharon's pocket, but now we have Bush in Olmert's pocket, and this is even more humiliating for a country of our type.
01:38:00.000We should add to Scowcroft being an employee, or a former employee of Kissinger Associates, who was an employee of the Rockefeller Consultation Group.
01:38:09.000Well, we can kind of see that these guys, and it's nice to see Zbigniew Brzezinski and others condemning war that we know they would have very well undertaken themselves if given the opportunity.
01:38:20.000Just to make that very clear, don't believe a word coming out of Zbigniew.
01:38:23.000Zbigniew's argument with the neocons is this.
01:38:40.000He says he's more concerned about the collapse of the US puppet regime in Ukraine, which has now collapsed and been replaced by Yanukovych, the pro-Russian politician on the scene.
01:38:52.000Zbigniew would have had color revolution, CIA people power coup in Belarus.
01:38:57.000Followed by an attempt to do the same thing.
01:39:17.000He saw that they were westernized, that they were conciliatory, that they wanted to ...have a negotiated settlement, and he found that was embarrassing for the Israelis, because it was always the Israelis saying, no, no, no, no talks, no political solution, there are no Palestinians.
01:39:33.000So he created Hamas using his concessions that he was able to give when he was housing minister and similar things to build up Hamas as a kind of a social welfare agency in the occupied territories.
01:39:45.000And he wanted them to be as radical and as irresponsible in their rhetoric and as anti-Israeli as they could be.
01:39:52.000The problem was then, of course, that they won the election after the PLO had been brutalized and humiliated and attacked and bombed and arrested and assassinated.
01:40:02.000Hamas then won the election earlier this year.
01:40:05.000The interesting thing is a very influential group in the Hamas called the Prisoners Group, some of the 10,000 Palestinians who are languishing in Israeli jails right now.
01:40:16.000We hear about the three Israeli soldiers, not too much about the 10,000 Palestinians and others who have essentially been grabbed, kidnapped, if you will, by the Israeli police and security.
01:40:28.000The Hamas Prisoners Group had formulated the following position.
01:40:32.000They said, we'll be glad to recognize Israel's right to exist.
01:40:55.000Let's do all the things that governments do.
01:40:57.000And we will recognize Israel on the spot.
01:41:00.000Now this was intolerable for the demagogy of somebody like Olmert.
01:41:04.000And therefore they had to begin With this process, which has led now to the arrest of many members of the Palestinian Parliament, in effect, even members of the Hamas cabinet, and a tremendous series of turbulent scenes between the PLO... Which happened a few weeks ago, is long forgotten in this newest conflict.
01:41:46.000It's got a million and a half people in it, and they have no jobs, and they can't cross into Israel.
01:41:52.000Let's move to Hezbollah, because as you say, Hamas is pretty easy to decode.
01:42:03.000There's a lot of information coming out in mainstream media.
01:42:06.000We're pretty clear on how Hamas was begun.
01:42:09.000We obviously can put two and two together and see the infiltration of Hamas and know when we see Hamas, we're likely looking pretty close at Mossad or Shin Bet or Israel.
01:42:22.000I would not say that Hamas is controlled by the Mossad today.
01:42:47.000I just thought it was extremely convenient to have Hamas win that election in Palestine, and you can almost look into the crystal ball and see all of this coming down the road.
01:42:56.000The PLO kept saying, we want a negotiated peace, and the Israelis kept bombing and strafing and arresting.
01:43:02.000And eventually people got fed up and they found that they got more bang for the buck with the Hamas vote and I think that's absolutely understandable to anybody.
01:43:09.000That was the protest vote at the moment.
01:43:12.000In order to understand this you have to realize Lebanon has been wrecked by the Israelis many times, not even four times, five times, six times.
01:43:23.000Lebanon in some ways was an exemplary country for the Middle East because they were operating under the Constitution of 1943.
01:43:30.000Which meant that Shiites, Sunnis, Maronites, Melkites, Maronite Christians, Melkite Christians, all different kinds of people had a position in the government, right?
01:43:43.000The President had to be one thing, the Prime Minister another, the Speaker of the Lower House one thing, the Speaker of the Upper House, the President of the Supreme Court.
01:43:51.000All of this was assigned according to ethnic appartenance, and you may say that's not the American way, but this worked for them.
01:43:58.000So this was an interesting example of how these groups could get along in an obviously multi-ethnic country with a weak state.
01:44:06.000In 1975, Kissinger, Henry Kissinger, personally, deliberately provoked a civil war among these groups.
01:44:14.000And he did it with the goal of destroying Lebanon.
01:44:17.000So he was able to play the Maronites, the Christian side.
01:44:21.000Some of them, of course, are fascists.
01:44:23.000That would be the Falange that were active at the time, and I think they're still there.
01:44:27.000They're also available for dirty activities.
01:44:30.000This then led to the Tell al-Zatar massacre in 1976.
01:44:34.000The Israelis went into southern Lebanon, the Syrians came into parts of northern Lebanon, and the Tell al-Zatar massacre was a Palestinian camp that was surrounded by the Israeli Defense Force, and then the Maronites, the Falangists, the so-called Christian Falange, went in and actually did the killing.
01:44:52.000And this is one of the things that Sharon has been accused of war crimes in connection with in various in various actions in the European legal system.
01:45:03.000Lebanon was essentially smashed deliberately by Kissinger, with a significant part of it being he did not want the peaceful coexistence among these groups sitting in the middle of the Middle East.
01:45:15.000You've got to remember, Beirut is a real cosmopolitan city, probably the biggest publishing center in the Arab world.
01:45:23.000Then in 1982, we get Sharon, and this is Sharon's big invasion.
01:45:27.000of Lebanon, which leads to an Israeli occupation of much of Lebanon that really only ends in the year 2000.
01:45:35.000But as a result of this second one, in 1982, Hezbollah is founded.
01:45:40.000I would regard Hezbollah as a response, a desperate response, of the Lebanese Shiite community in particular, in extremis, having been invaded, subjected to civil war, bombed, starved, blockaded, and all that.
01:45:57.000Hezbollah is simply a very effective self-defense force that they have come up with.
01:46:01.000Well, they're being funded by somebody, and I guess what we're trying to get to here, Webster, is, you know, the fact of the matter, here's what we're told, they are directly controlled by Iran and by Syria.
01:46:11.000Obviously, they have to, any organization like this has to have some type of upper-tier funding or upper-tier help in order to even exist to begin with.
01:46:23.000Well, the main thing about them is that they have a very, very strong mass base, and they have very, very dedicated people, again, in the Lebanese Shiite community.
01:46:32.000Now, if we say they get money, I'm sure they get money from lots of people.
01:46:36.000I would say they get money from Syria, most likely.
01:46:39.000When the Syrians were there, it's clear that they did.
01:46:42.000And from Iran also, they have a close relationship.
01:46:45.000Sure, they probably have people in America sending them money.
01:47:28.000This is the sort of Manichaean nonsense that one side represents absolute evil, the other side absolute good, and once you touch absolute evil, you're totally tainted.
01:48:07.000You also have to look at the fact that there was an election, right?
01:48:10.000As a result of this US agitation against Syria, there was an election in Lebanon, and at that point, Hezbollah won about, what, one-sixth of the seats.
01:48:18.00025 out of 125, or something like that.
01:48:22.000So that indicates that they have a strong mass base in the 40% or so of the Lebanese Who are Shiites, and naturally, since they're Shiites, they look to Iran to protect them in the same way that an Orthodox Serb would look to Russia.
01:48:35.000And I don't see anything surprising about this, and I don't see anything so surprising.
01:48:42.000Hezbollah is the one force in the Middle East which unquestionably defeated the Israelis.
01:48:47.000The Israelis wanted to stay in southern Lebanon.
01:48:49.000The Israelis had created a puppet force called the South Lebanese Army.
01:48:54.000Under this guy called Major Haddad, a fascist, obviously.
01:48:57.000And they kept the area south of the Litani River as a kind of buffer zone, precisely because of these rockets.
01:49:04.000But the Hezbollah guerrilla activity was so effective in that area that the Israelis were forced to retreat in 2000.
01:49:13.000And that had an electrifying effect on the Arab and Islamic world, because this was the first time the Israelis had actually been driven out, like, forced out of territory, and Hezbollah was able to book that to their own credit.
01:49:26.000Webster Griffin Tarpley giving us quite a history lesson here today, and I think this is all important to understand, so I hope that everybody is paying attention.
01:49:34.000We're going to come back, briefly talk about where Pakistan fits into all of this.
01:49:37.000We're going to open up the phone lines for Webster Tarpley today on the Alex Jones Show.
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01:54:23.000That presence of the Israelis in Lebanon from 1982 to 2000 was a disaster for them in every way.
01:54:30.000They lost more soldiers in that process, especially in the last years with Hezbollah coming against them, than they lost in all their other wars.
01:54:39.000And the other thing is, they were driven to the verge of absolute national bankruptcy.
01:54:46.000It has turned into a very poor country.
01:54:49.000With Netanyahu as finance minister in these Sharon governments, I think the figure is something like one-third of all Israeli children live in poverty.
01:55:01.000A country that has to rely on its mental capital, its qualified labor force, doesn't have oil, doesn't have natural resources, has to depend on producing things, and the Israelis could do very well in that, but not with Netanyahu.
01:55:15.000After the bankruptcy virtually became clear in 2000, they're getting four to five billion a year from the U.S., or something in that ballpark, They had to request an additional $10 billion in loan guarantees from the United States.
01:55:28.000So, one of the things you have to realize is that the pressure cooker of Israeli politics is also fueled by the fact that people have seen their living standards collapse.
01:55:38.000In particular, as Netanyahu brought in his wild schemes of deregulation, privatization, vulture capitalism, and the rest of this stuff.
01:55:49.000Now, the other thing to say is, what's the answer?
01:55:51.000We've got to at least begin to put this on the table.
01:56:16.000If you want to go a little bit more towards the established parties, I suppose the Meretz Yahad party is probably the most interested in a peaceful solution.
01:56:52.000At that point, we get a Palestinian state in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, as it was, as the borders were in 1967, and these two recognize each other.
01:57:04.000So the settlements have to disappear, And on the Palestinian side, they have got to... There's your solution.
01:57:10.000What's the likelihood of that happening?
01:57:12.000They've got to give up the Palestinians.
01:57:13.000One other thing, the Palestinians have to give up the right of return because it's going to have to be two separate states and the Palestinians will be able to return to a Palestinian state.
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01:58:50.000I've seen it and I'm just happy to watch it about 50 more times and really absorb what's in its So, go to Infowars.com, get Webster Griffin Tarpley's book, Synthetic Terror, made in the USA.
01:59:00.000I highly recommend this book and I've interviewed Webster several times now on some of the content of the book and it is just absolutely amazing.
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01:59:43.000You can go to Tarpley.net and read the Bush book for free, but if you want to buy the book, I would urge you to buy it through Alex's website.
01:59:54.000And that's the unauthorized Bush biography.
01:59:59.000People need to understand Webster that people like myself, Alex Jones, like yourself, I mean we're not funded by big multinational corporations, we're not part of an umbrella of major network news where we're making a lot of money doing this.
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02:00:26.000So it's vitally important that not only have these books and these materials because of the information, but that you support something such as this.
02:00:34.000And that's something that we always try to put across to people.
02:00:38.000Webster, there's so much to talk about here.
02:00:41.000I kind of want to move into some of the other regions in the Middle East, which is why I was asking you about Pakistan.
02:00:46.000One or two more things before we hurry away.
02:00:50.000In terms of 9-11, we've gotten used to the idea that it's all done under the cover of a drill, right?
02:00:55.000An exercise is used to cover what they do.
02:00:59.000If we look in the Israeli left-wing newspaper Haaretz from the 13th of July, the Haaretz has an article about a drill scenario, a drill plan, an exercise plan of the IDF, the Israeli Defense Force, and the scenario involved is
02:01:16.000An Israeli soldier is kidnapped by Hezbollah and the IDF responds with massive air and land attacks on South Lebanon to break up Hezbollah.
02:01:30.000So what you're saying is they already had a drill to basically guard against what's happening right now.
02:01:36.000Exactly, and then they flipped it live.
02:01:37.000And maybe there's another drill somewhere in somebody's drawer That says, uh, get some Americans and, uh, have something bad happen to them, blame that on Hezbollah, and then you can, uh, you can essentially stampede the U.S.
02:01:51.000Well, that's why it's really important that you put out the information that you did, that we're leaving these, uh, 25,000-odd, uh, Americans in Lebanon today.
02:01:59.000It's important that you get this information out as well, folks, because then we know if something does happen to them, we know that we had the opportunity to get them out.
02:02:06.000We know that it isn't an accident, it isn't a coincidence.
02:02:10.000If Italy and South Africa can get people out starting on Thursday after about 24 hours, we're now six days into the crisis, the US has managed to do nothing.
02:02:20.000We'll come back, Webster, quickly put something else on the record if you need to.
02:02:24.000I want to just talk about Pakistan very briefly, and India as it pertains to this conflict in the Middle East, and then we'll go right to calls.
02:02:31.000Folks, please be patient, we're just about to go to you.
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02:07:25.000Again, we need a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders.
02:07:29.000The Israelis go back to their 1967 borders.
02:07:32.000Part of East Jerusalem has got to become the capital of the Palestinian state.
02:07:36.000The one thing the United States could do is, in a small sense, we should be able to indemnify, pay off those Israeli settlers.
02:07:43.000A lot of them are poor Russians who have been hustled in there as a means of buying a house, the only way they could get a roof over their heads.
02:07:50.000Similarly, for the Palestinians, those are people who lost everything in the 1940s.
02:08:15.000It's no coincidence that the Israelis always seem to want to go back to the Litani River, because that's one of the few rivers that you have within easy reach of Israel, and of course that water all gets grabbed.
02:08:27.000The idea is there's a tremendous economic potential if we could just get through the insanity of racial politics and racial ideology and the constant manipulation of the U.S.
02:08:40.000I mean, I don't think it takes even a college graduate, let alone somebody a think tank, to understand that bombing civilians on a regular basis is not going to stop terrorism.
02:08:50.000I don't care how you define terrorism.
02:08:52.000It's simply going to motivate more people to fight and to feel they have nothing to lose.
02:10:31.000It features videos of everybody that you can think of from Webster to David Ray Griffin, Morgan Reynolds, Jeff King, Dr. Stephen Jones, Alec, Ron Paul, I've got everybody on there, Kevin Ryan, David Shaler, And what I think has to be done is, I believe in Webster's theory of looking forward, we have to start inoculating people and getting them aware of this.
02:10:54.000It's like you're trying to turn somebody on to a new band or new music.
02:10:59.000And by this, you're talking about MIHOP in general.
02:11:04.000My op in general, in this situation that's going on now... Folks, for those of you listening for the first time, that means made it happen on purpose as pertaining to 9-11, whereas some people might say that they let it happen or they didn't do anything at all.
02:11:18.000I just wanted to clear up the terminology for people.
02:11:22.000As Webster would say, you're leading the lambs to the slaughter, if you believe in LIOP.
02:11:27.000It's just absolutely ludicrous to think that those things are... It's a farce, and I think the hardest thing is getting people to understand that their media that they turn on every night is a bunch of bull, and it's not the facts of what's going on.
02:11:40.000And I get on the radio here a lot, and I start talking to, you know, reporters and people with talk shows, and I start talking about things like the Iranian Boris and the Russian RTS, and the fact that, you know, Putin's going to be I'm looking to make a ruble, an actual world currency, and trading gold with it too, possibly.
02:11:55.000And the fact that the Vatican and the French and Italian oil companies have decided to go Euro.
02:12:01.000I mean, the world is so complex that Americans are so... they're anesthetized from anything like this.
02:12:08.000So when you start talking to these talk show hosts, Unless it's somebody like you guys, they look at you and they're going to thank you for your next call.
02:12:14.000They literally don't know what you're talking about.
02:12:17.000Well, no, because, I mean, look, if you're... Webster knows this good and well.
02:12:21.000If you are a talking head for a mainstream media outlet, you're generally somebody who gets a script, you read the script, you don't even really have to know much about it.
02:12:31.000There are pundits out there and people like Bill Kristol and others whose job it is to put things on the record and try to get Americans thinking in a way that obviously is beneficial to them.
02:12:42.000Webster, is there a way for people to understand the complicated geopolitical world we live in without getting them a five-year education in all of this?
02:12:52.000Well, I think right now the thing that you have to bear in mind is that if there are any massacres of Americans in Lebanon, and indeed if weapons of mass destruction go off anywhere in the world, it's not Hezbollah, it's not Iran, it's not Syria, it's not Bin Laden in the famous cave, it is Cheney.
02:13:18.000The Beaver Creek, Colorado meeting of the American Enterprise Institute with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Netanyahu, And I forgot, Nathan Sharansky, former Russian, remember him?
02:13:31.000agent in Russia, but now in Israel, leader of one of the main warmonger parties.
02:13:37.000He was there too, and they cooked up, obviously, what you're now seeing.
02:13:41.000Let me ask you another question, because you mentioned American Enterprise Institute, one of the leading think tanks here in the country, and I've interviewed a lot of people from that particular think tank, and they all seem to point to David Rockefeller being the prime controller of American Enterprise Institute.
02:14:08.000Now this was a guy, he's alleged to have stolen 90 million dollars from Hollinger.
02:14:12.000Hollinger means the London Daily Telegraph, London Sunday Telegraph, Chicago Sun-Times, a whole press empire around the world.
02:14:20.000Conrad Black was robbing the company blind with the help of his wife, Barbara Amiel, and she went around calling herself, this is not me saying it, she called herself the fascist bitch, Barbara Amiel.
02:14:33.000And Lord Conrad Black, and on the board, with fiduciary responsibilities, was Richard Perle, somebody who is sure to undergo a long period of... So the head of American Enterprise Institute, in your opinion, is a Canadian?
02:15:06.000His papers were the flagship for the anti-Clinton movement.
02:15:10.000An interesting sideline on the whole thing.
02:15:12.000In any case, Conrad Black was their big moneybags, and it turns out a lot of that money had to have been stolen.
02:15:18.000So, very embarrassing for the American Enterprise Institute.
02:15:21.000I would also point out that Michael Ledeen over there, that's where he operates, He has taken it on the chin in the past month or so.
02:15:29.000A lot of his pals in Italy, some of these people in the CISMI, the Italian Military Intelligence, have now been indicted for their role in CIA kidnappings in Italy.
02:15:39.000And about 25 members of the CIA station have been subjected to arrest warrants.
02:15:46.000So it looks like the Ledeen networks in Italy are being rolled up.
02:15:50.000By the new government of Prodi, which is a big improvement over Berlusconi.
02:15:54.000Yeah, I just actually did a whole show on Berlusconi the other day, and that's like a whole other show here, so we'll try not to get too sidetracked.
02:16:11.000I just want to talk about this thing that people want to just jump to Israel Defense.
02:16:16.000They have to understand that history is not as cut and dried as you'd like to think.
02:16:20.000There's a difference between Hebrew, Semitic, Jews, Israelites.
02:16:23.000You know, Kessler, the author of the Thirteenth Tribe, he said himself in the book that the Jews, anyone in Israel right now, would be hard-pressed to really prove that they're descendant from the ancient Israelites.
02:16:36.000You know, it's obvious they don't care about us.
02:16:38.000They just killed eight of our citizens, and I don't think we... Yeah, that came up earlier, Tony.
02:16:42.000I don't know if you heard the caller call in earlier and said that You know, we need to lighten up on Israel because they're the chosen people, and anyone that goes against Israel will be destroyed, according to God.
02:16:53.000But then again, we had to get into what is an Israelite, and certainly I don't believe it's the people involved in the state project of 1948.
02:17:01.000Webster, do you want to address any of that?
02:17:03.000I think we have to look at the real world and deal with the real world that we have in front of us right now.
02:17:07.000The imperative is, a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders Israel in the 1967 borders, recognized by everybody in the region, no more settlements, no right of return, but a massive Marshall Plan for the entire area.
02:17:22.000The problem with the Israeli policy is its futility, and ultimately it's suicidal.
02:17:27.000If you look at Samuel Huntington's scenario book, The Clash of Civilizations, you will see that in his third world war scenario, Israel is annihilated.
02:17:37.000The current leaders of Israel are leading Israel into annihilation.
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02:22:04.000We attempt to document everything we say, like the Fox or Foe news networks.
02:22:10.000And let me tell you, I know a lot of people don't like Fox News for their obvious points of propaganda, but let's remember all of the networks do it.
02:22:20.000You know, something else I've noticed that When you're talking about Abu Massab Zakaoui, you're looking at probably about 90% of what you're hearing on network news being wrong.
02:22:30.000When you're talking about this Israeli-Lebanon conflict, the coming conflict with Syria and potentially Iran and all the implications, about 90% of what they're telling you is wrong.
02:22:40.000It's almost unwatchable at this point.
02:22:43.000Most of the time I'd probably put it at about 40% right, maybe 60% wrong, and you can glean out some information out of it, but Boy, they are on a roll today, and as you said earlier, Webster Griffin-Tarpley, they are on a war footing.
02:22:57.000The entire mainstream mass media, the establishment media, on a war footing.
02:23:02.000And we're told that, well, we were wrong to do that leading up to Iraq.
02:23:06.000We were maybe wrong doing that leading up to Afghanistan.
02:23:08.000And we're now going to really expose these warmongers, these chicken hawks, for who they are.
02:23:14.000And then the next thing you know, they're right back in the bandwagon marching to the tune.
02:24:31.000A couple of key points that people need to know.
02:24:34.000The Quran actually does recognize that Christ is the Messiah and that the Israelites are God's chosen people.
02:24:42.000So all this stuff you see on TV and all the, you know, spoon-fed version of the Bible you've been given and prophecy, it's all just nonsense.
02:25:15.000I want everybody to get in, especially those of you who have held for so long, but there's just no way we can put you on the radio if your phone doesn't work.
02:25:22.000Don't even attempt to call in to a radio show on a substandard phone.
02:25:26.000Check it out first, make sure it works, and then we'll save you a lot of time holding.
02:25:43.000The previous caller kind of stole a little bit of my thunder, but I'd like to get your take on the following.
02:25:50.000I really take issue with the caller talking about blessing Israel.
02:25:55.000This whole issue of the unquestioning American support for Israel is based on the Judeo-Christian neocon assumption That the Israelis are Jews in general, or actually the lineal descendants of the Biblical Israelites.
02:26:09.000This is an incredibly powerful and controlling assumption, which actually directs our Middle East foreign policy.
02:26:18.000Due to Judeo-Christian, Neocon influence in our... Hold on a second, Scott.
02:26:23.000Do you believe that, Webster, that they're doing all of this for some type of prophecy reason, or do you believe they're just using that for an excuse?
02:26:30.000No, if you read the writings of Leo Strauss, he basically says, we're all atheists here, but we color ourselves with some kind of a religion because it's convenient for us.
02:26:40.000That's the guru of the Neocons, an atheist.
02:26:44.000So the bottom line here is, Scott, I mean, you know, this is the excuse.
02:26:47.000In fact, if you read a lot of the liberal writings, you'll hear a lot about this.
02:26:52.000They're possessed with the end times, they're possessed with the Bible, and that's why they're doing all of this.
02:26:57.000Except, when you actually look into who these people are, and you see a movie like Alex Jones' Order of Death, you see that not only are they atheists, they're occultists, they're Babylonians, and they worship some Egyptian deity somewhere.
02:27:10.000But that doesn't really matter when the neocons themselves, the Judeo-Christian mindset, is that... They're not, though!
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02:31:38.000Correct me if I'm wrong here, Webster.
02:31:39.000Did we have you on the show today to talk about the geopolitical aspects of this, or did we have you on today to talk about the religious aspects?
02:31:46.000If so, go ahead and make a statement pertaining to religion, if you like.
02:31:50.000I think the questions of religion have got to take second or third place to the urgent humanitarian need of finding A peaceful solution.
02:31:59.000Remember that inside Israel you have a multi-ethnic state with a million or more Arabs who live in Israel and are citizens of a certain kind and do vote in elections and so forth.
02:32:13.000So that the notions of an ethnic or racial or religious analysis, I think they all lead us in the wrong directions because one guy comes with his holy book and says this land has to be one thing and the other guy comes with his holy book that says The opposite, and then that leads to a bloodbath.
02:32:30.000The one thing we can say is, under Christianity, we have essentially two commandments.
02:33:41.000This is the common sense solution here.
02:33:43.000And until we see that we're edging in that type of a direction, the rest of it will be more war, more bloodshed, more, as I call it, collective necrophilia in the Middle East.
02:33:53.000And let me say this, you know, I'm a spiritual person.
02:33:56.000I just don't happen to believe that if you want to get a spiritual answer to some of these questions, calling in today with myself and Webster Tarpley aboard is probably the best place to go.
02:34:05.000I'm sure there are better places to go to get better spiritual or Christian analysis than what we have today and the remaining 15 minutes and I want to get to the hardcore geopolitical issues, questions and answers and I hope that we can go more into that direction.
02:34:19.000That being said, let's go ahead and spin the roulette wheel.
02:34:31.000I'm under the impression that the unstated purpose for the State of Israel was to foment friction between the Jewish people.
02:34:42.000and the Muslim nations, and I believe, you know, that in spite of fact that unstated goals in modern politics generally succeed wildly.
02:34:52.000Just as the UN's unstated goal is to form a one-world government, and they've been incredibly successful in that end.
02:35:00.000And my buddies at the JBS, the John Burke Society, have told me that basically the thing is don't be deceived by what they claim the purpose is to give the Jewish people a homeland, Because, from what I've heard, the government of the state of Israel are primarily secular humanists.
02:35:19.000They claim to be Israelis, but they don't really practice Judaism proper.
02:35:29.000Israelis, just like everybody else, have the right to practice whatever religion they want, or no religion at all.
02:35:34.000I don't see this one-world government.
02:35:36.000What I see is City of London financiers, Wall Street financiers, And the Israelis as a kind of appendage of this.
02:35:43.000Naturally, modern Zionism goes back to Lord Palmerston.
02:35:47.000This was the British being concerned with the smaller peoples of the Ottoman Empire, the Turkish Empire at that time.
02:35:54.000They were interested in cultivating Druzes, Kurds, Copts, Greeks, Armenians, Jews also.
02:36:03.000Palmerston got the idea of colonizing the Middle East with Jewish emigrants from various other parts of the world.
02:36:09.000This has been promoted, I think Jack mentioned, the Balfour Declaration and similar things.
02:36:13.000Notice in World War I, the British and the French were able to promise the same territory to three different people, to themselves, to the Arabs, and then also to the Jews.
02:36:22.000So this was obviously done with a tremendous bad faith.
02:36:25.000But whatever the history is, you're now confronted with those millions of Israelis there and these 4 million Palestinians here.
02:36:33.000The only possible solution is a two-state solution with a strong economic development program that would also be a key to beginning economic recovery in this country, because naturally our economy is collapsing.
02:36:47.000We've just lost one-third of General Motors and about one-third of our remaining industrial jobs.
02:36:54.000If you look across the auto industry, just in the past A couple of months.
02:36:58.000The United States economy is sinking like a stone towards a one-way thermodynamic collapse, and one way to get out of that would be to start producing railroad technology for the Middle East.
02:37:09.000The Federal Reserve itself says the U.S.
02:37:11.000is heading for bankruptcy, and I'm going to cover that probably on my program following this show.
02:37:18.000I thought you made some good points, and I happen to also believe that part of establishing the Israeli state in the Middle East was to eventually create chaos and then order out of chaos, and it seems to be working wonderfully over the last 60 years.
02:37:39.000Yes, your guest made the point in the last hour that one-third of Israeli children live in extreme poverty.
02:37:45.000I think the great majority of them are the children of the Orthodox, the Lubavitchers, the Hesedim, that don't work, that don't serve in the army, they don't shave, they don't bathe, but they all got seven or eight kids.
02:38:23.000The problem here is that the Israeli economy, under Netanyahu's misleadership, is a caricature of wild capitalism, deregulation, free market, insanity, domination by cartels, An extreme oligarchical economy for a few plutocrats, and everybody else takes it on the chin.
02:38:42.000And this is important to understand because it explains the obvious irrationalism of the Israeli political leaders.
02:38:50.000They're sitting on top of a pressure cooker, which is about to explode for them, and that's one of the reasons they do what they do.
02:39:15.000In the past year, and I've been doing a lot of work calling AM and FM stations trying to get our message out on constitutionalism, and on this Israeli question, there's a lot of talk by the Zionists and those supporters of them saying that The Arab countries in the region want to do away with Israel, whereas Israel has not put out any kind of policy statement wanting to do away with any of the Arab countries.
02:39:43.000And I did pick up in the last year somewhere where there was a plan to divide Iraq into five provinces.
02:39:52.000And my question is, do you have any concrete information where Israel may have been floating out
02:40:00.000uh... plans to uh... uh... recreate uh... about boundaries of of the any of the air countries and i did it floated out on the mainstream media before uh... you know this latest uh... escalation of turmoil in iraq where nbc and others were saying well perhaps the thing to do is divide iraq into several pieces if we can have some concrete evidence that israel is behind that it will help us to uh... neutralizes argument
02:40:30.000By the Zionists saying that, hey, we're just friendly people over here, and it's the Arabs that want to do away with Israel.
02:40:37.000If you look on the Internet, and actually, Jack, I can send this to you, I have in front of me the Bernard Lewis plan map for the Middle East.
02:40:44.000Naturally, this plan is to dismember and balkanize every existing country in the Middle East, and of course it's made in London.
02:40:51.000It's made by the past masters of the Middle East, the people who created all of these countries, after all, including Israel, the British Arab Bureau, And the British Foreign Office.
02:41:01.000Now, Bernard Lewis, you know, he operates out of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton.
02:41:07.000When he just had his 80th birthday, he had Cheney there, Kissinger there for him.
02:41:13.000It means that Iraq is divided into three parts.
02:41:17.000Kurds, Sunni Desert State in the middle, Shi'istan in the south.
02:41:22.000We get a Kurdistan, which is carved out of Turkey, out of Iran, out of Syria, out of Iraq.
02:41:30.000Lebanon gets divided, a Druze entity, a Maronite entity, Sudan gets cut into two parts, Pakistan gets cut into Pashtunistan and Balochistan, Iran fares the worst, they get divided six ways, Balochistan, Arabistan, Kurdistan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, and sitting in the middle of landlocked oil-less Iranistan.
02:41:54.000That is the goal, it is the balkanization of all of these countries Jack, this is a very crude map that I put together, but if you're interested in it, I'd be glad to send you one.
02:42:15.000And concerning the other part of it, concerning who feels threatened, I've been on Israeli national radio a couple of times, and people call in and say, look, we feel threatened by Iran.
02:42:27.000Because they may soon have a nuclear weapon, and I have to say, well, imagine how the Iranians feel, because you already have 400 nuclear weapons.
02:43:01.000Sure, but as you say, the Balkanization there runs pretty deep through decades, if not centuries.
02:43:08.000How do you get people to come to the table, number one, and then to agree on anything, number two?
02:43:12.000It would be the role of an American president, if we can remember what this might be.
02:43:17.000If you are the leading state in the world, you ought to take the responsibility.
02:43:21.000We had, I can remember, a US-Soviet statement in the early 80s that called for the Convocation of a Middle East Peace Conference.
02:43:28.000Secretary Rogers, under the Nixon regime, tried to move in this direction.
02:43:34.000We need a general peace conference for the Middle East.
02:43:37.000It should be devoted to peace and economic reconstruction, because every one of these places has now been destroyed by war.
02:43:44.000Iraq, Iran, Israel, Lebanon, Syria, all of them destroyed by war or internal Problems over recent years, or by tremendous cataclysms like Sudan.
02:44:10.000Well, I mean, look, the fact is, making that all happen, this is a proper solution, and I credit you, Webster, for bringing this to the table.
02:44:17.000Unfortunately, let's be realistic here.
02:44:33.000Barring this wonderful table where we all sit around and have a few cocktails together and hammer out the solutions and then abide by those treaties and those solutions, what happens next?
02:44:49.000According to some of the Lebanese papers, the Israelis have in effect issued a 72 hour ultimatum to Damascus, to Syria, saying either you Syrians Bring Hezbollah to the point of surrendering, dissolving, laying down their arms, which is obviously absurd.
02:45:14.000Now I think it's important, if people have any political ability at all, in terms of being in the peace movement, or being in a religious group, or something like this, obviously let's use the democratic apparatus that we still have, the free speech that we still have, We will not go into World War III as the tail on the Israeli kite.
02:45:35.000The Israeli attacks on Lebanon have got to stop.
02:45:39.000There's got to be an immediate ceasefire.
02:45:41.000We're also concerned about our 25,000 fellow citizens, the 40,000 Canadians and untold others.
02:45:47.000But for all of them, for everybody in Lebanon, the bombing has to end.
02:45:51.000has got to threaten Israel with the immediate cessation of all payments of that $4 billion to $5 billion yearly allowance that they get paid for all of these weapons.
02:46:03.000And people's congressmen, you know, we're in the middle of an election campaign right now, should hear about this.
02:46:09.000And the people coming out, I saw George Allen, an unfortunate senator from Virginia who's fighting for his life against a very interesting challenger here in Virginia across the river.
02:46:23.000People like that should be voted Out of office, and of course the primary in Connecticut with Senator Lieberman, an extreme warmonger position on all of these things, would be another possibility.
02:46:37.000So there are all kinds of elections where you can make your voice heard, go to candidates' forums, speak up.
02:46:42.000Call in to radio talk shows, call in to C-SPAN and some of these others.
02:46:46.000You know, that's a really good idea because the mainstream media has given us the illusion here that 99% of Americans are behind Israel and they can just do whatever they want.
02:46:55.000And if they start hearing from you, and you have your facts straight, and you have an organized message, then I believe, you know, people will be able to at least gauge that not everyone is on board with whatever Israel wants to do.
02:47:11.000Ultimately, we have been lurching along the brink of the abyss here for about 24 months, according to my count.
02:47:18.000In order to pull back from the abyss, we've got to have the neocons rolled up, the invisible government people rolled up, and the financiers behind them also rolled up.
02:47:28.000You know, you just kind of gave me a good segue, because I wanted to ask you on my show on Friday, we meant to put this on the Alex Jones Show, and they helped me book the interview With, uh, oh my god, you know this always happens to me, right?
02:47:41.000Going right to a break, Daniel Ellsberg, anyway, is the name I was looking for.
02:47:45.000So we had Daniel Ellsberg on our program, and I asked him about 9-11, and he said he's starting to lean towards 9-11 being an inside job, and what he said is, the sequel to 9-11, the next terrorist event here on our soil, will definitely, without a doubt, be our Reichstag.
02:48:00.000That coming from Daniel Ellsberg, who brought down the Nixon administration with the Pentagon Papers, What do you think the weight is of someone like that coming out now and seemingly joining us with 9-11 Truth?
02:48:09.000Well, Daniel Ellsberg would represent the left-liberal or radical-liberal community, and generally I have to say that this stratum as a group, if we look at Norm Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Michael Moore and so forth, these have been the worst enemies of 9-11 Truth.
02:48:26.000Parroting the Bush Virgin, attacking anybody who challenged it.
02:48:29.000If Ellsberg is breaking in the direction of 9-11 Truth, which I would love to see, But I'll believe it when I see it.
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02:52:10.000I believe we are on the one and three streams.
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02:52:17.000And we will be continuing a lot of this discussion.
02:52:19.000I'm going to carry over Any callers into our program, so if you've been holding, you want to stay aboard, we'll get you on at least the first half hour of our program deadline live following this show.
02:52:30.000Remaining moments with Webster Tarpley.
02:52:32.000Webster, we had a tip in here at Infowars.com, and this was put in front of me by one of the producers.
02:52:37.000They wanted me to ask you about the Aspen Institute.
02:52:42.000A number of senators, policymakers, congressmen, Madeleine Albright, these types, all working at the Aspen Institute, which, by the way, is where Ken Lay died.
02:52:51.000What do you know about this organization and what might they be getting ready for?
02:53:20.000By looking at some of the people involved in the conference, it seems like a lot of medical people, the former Deputy Minister for USAID was involved in this, people heading superintendents of public schools.
02:53:32.000It looks to me, I mean if I'm reading this right, it looks to me like they're getting ready for something.
02:53:37.000You know Webster, we also noticed that the Funeral Directors Association here in Texas Talking about what they're going to do with all the dead bodies from the flu.
02:53:46.000We've got the Red Cross saying that the mutation of the bird flu will be landing in Peoria, Illinois just before the election in November.
02:53:53.000It seems to me that almost the powers that be might be getting ready to unleash a virus or have some information about a virus coming our way that are going to be killing Millions of people, and I don't want to scare people here, but I'm seeing all of this information starting to come together and a lot of lip service being paid to this and even now coming out of the Aspen Institute.
02:54:14.000I would urge people to follow the website False Flag News.
02:54:20.000The site has been up, it has been down, it's been under cyber attack.
02:54:24.000And False Flag News is the central clearinghouse for all news about drills, exercises, Weapons of mass destruction, atomic, biological, chemical warfare.
02:55:36.000My head is still actually spinning from so many of the things you passed along to us today, but always great to have you on the Alex Jones Show.
02:55:44.000Best of luck to you, and we'll talk to you again real soon, okay?
02:55:50.000We'll be back in just about six minutes for Deadline Live, and I'll be back again tomorrow in this very chair, the big man's chair, the Alex Jones Show.