In the second half of today's show, Alex Jones is joined by Jonathan Shapira, a former Israeli Air Force refuser who refuses to participate in Israeli aerial attacks in the Palestinian territories. Jonathan is a member of the International Jewish Defense Forces (ITF) and served as a regular in the Air Force Reserves until 1999. In 2003, he and 26 other reservists signed a declaration refusing to engage in aerial attacks on populated areas in the Palestine territories because of the belief that these attacks are illegal and immoral.
00:01:08.000He graduated from the Israeli Air Force Flight Course in 1993.
00:01:13.000He served as a regular in the Air Force until 1999.
00:01:17.000And while a regular, Yonatan flew primarily as a rescue and assault helicopter pilot, completing well over 100 missions, including missions in Lebanon.
00:01:26.000And in 2003, Yonatan Shapira, along with 26 others, signed a declaration refusing to participate in aerial attacks on populated areas in the Palestine territories because of the belief that these attacks are illegal, immoral, and do not serve the security of Israel.
00:01:44.000Jonathan Shapira, a refusenik, a military refuser, joining us in the second hour of today's show, the Alex Jones Show.
00:01:53.000We're going to continue to cover news in the Middle East.
00:01:56.000On yesterday's program, we talked very briefly, well, extensively, rather, with Webster Tarpley.
00:02:04.000We did talk quite a bit about The 25,000 American citizens stuck right now in Lebanon and Beirut.
00:02:11.000And what is going to be done with those people?
00:02:13.000Well, yesterday, of course, that was most of the news.
00:02:16.000In fact, a number of cable news networks did get through to several people still on the ground in Lebanon who are saying, Over the airwaves, that they are being attacked relentlessly, that the Israelis are bombing everything in sight, and there is no safe place to hide.
00:02:39.000Not able to pull back the leash on Israel.
00:02:43.000And I want to make something very clear as we run through this information today.
00:02:46.000As we talk about Israel, we only talk about the upper echelons of the evil government of Israel.
00:02:53.000Just like we talk about the upper echelons of the evil government of this country, or of the United Kingdom, or of France, or Germany, or Russia, or China.
00:03:15.000And I gotta tell you folks, I was very surprised yesterday as we were talking and hearing a lot of people up to speed on the powers that be, up to speed on the workings of the globalists and the New World Order.
00:03:27.000Totally up to speed on 9-11, looking to defend Israel for some spiritual reason.
00:03:42.000Would Allah bomb innocent children in a war of aggression over a few kidnappings?
00:03:48.000This has completely gotten out of hand and therefore I believe we need to talk about it.
00:03:52.000We will be updating you throughout the program with various developments and we're going to be covering a lot of news.
00:03:57.000It's just come out here that hospital staff have been charged with killing patients after Katrina.
00:04:04.000The Attorney General holding a news conference I believe just today So we'll talk a little bit about that.
00:04:09.000In fact, we covered this during Katrina where there were a number of hospitals and old folks homes where they simply just turned out the lights on the patients, sometimes leaving them there, sometimes even euthanizing them on the ground in order to stop any potential suffering they might feel as the floods moved in.
00:04:27.000Well, there have been some charges involved with that and we'll go over that news today.
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00:08:02.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
00:08:09.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:12.000We're going to cover a lot of this news from the Middle East here.
00:08:34.000And just to let you know, we have a couple of clips we wanted to put on the show today.
00:08:38.000One, of course, James Woolsey calling for an attack on Syria on John Gibson's news program, that would be Fox News Network.
00:08:47.000Also, on Friday, right from this very studio, the InfoWars studio, I had an interview with Daniel Ellsberg.
00:08:54.000He's the man that leaked the Pentagon Papers.
00:08:57.000And really brought down the Nixon administration.
00:08:59.000Worked for the Johnson administration.
00:09:01.000Watched as the Gulf of Tonkin was used as a false flag operation in order as a pretext to go to war in Vietnam.
00:09:08.000Talked very succinctly and very openly about 9-11 in our Friday interview.
00:09:14.000We're going to try to play at least the 10 minutes of note during our program today.
00:09:20.000I just want to make sure that people understand this, and the reason why is because a lot of the refusal to understand the truth about 9-11 comes from the left, and Daniel Ellsberg, a real leader and the real hero of the left, so if we can find a few examples like him...
00:09:38.000Who have come out and talked openly about 9-11 and about the future of false flag terrorism and how it could be used by this Bush administration, then it might help you to convince some of your friends, family, co-workers, and people on the street who might be leaning a little more left.
00:09:52.000Of course, what we try to do on this program, what we try to do on this network, is to smash these paradigms, these controlled WWF paradigms of left vs. right, red state vs. blue state, demopublicans vs. republicrats, And I think that that, if nothing else, should be a main goal for all of us, that we can understand exactly what we're up against.
00:10:16.000Looking and going back to some of what we were talking about yesterday regarding these civilians who are currently being held, and let's just talk about it very openly here.
00:10:29.000Let's just put our cards on the table.
00:10:31.000The people being held currently, and are being held in Lebanon, against their will, trying to get out of the way of these bombs, very well could end up being a shield, and as Webster Tarpley talked about yesterday, could be a cataclysm for another false flag event, either by Israel or the United States, or various roaming intelligence services.
00:10:53.000Of course, we remember Not too long ago we found SAS agents dressed as Iraqis loaded to bear with bombs and rocket-propelled grenades caught and then locked in an Iraqi jail and then later broken out in a massive military attack by the British military.
00:11:28.000government carried out an eight-step plan to provoke Japan into attacking and killing Americans.
00:11:34.000They knew in advance that Japan was going to attack.
00:11:37.000Now, we've talked to a lot of people inside, and they have confirmed this for us, but I think now, even on the History Channel, this is a matter of record.
00:11:59.000Numerous reports and warning signs all pointed towards the coming debacle and the sheer mass of transcribed radio intercepts bordering on overwhelming.
00:12:15.000Sounds a lot like the 3-11 bombings in Madrid and even, dare I say, the 7-11 bombings in India recently.
00:12:23.000Do Freedom of Information Act files prove FDR had foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor?
00:12:28.000Pearl Harbor it might have been avoided when pieced together with the benefit of hindsight.
00:12:33.000We now see that there were many intelligence fragments that pointed to Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor, including massive intelligence, including radios that were catching shortwave radios and general radios that were catching the Japanese coming all throughout the West Coast, including a submarine in advance being sunk to the offensive.
00:12:58.000All right, we don't need to build the case.
00:12:59.000I think many of you are with me on this.
00:13:01.000Roosevelt left Americans in the Philippines for good war propaganda knowing that they would be killed.
00:13:07.000Now we're starting to see the correlations to what's going on currently in Lebanon.
00:13:12.000prisoners claim Roosevelt left them in the Philippines deliberately Hundreds of former U.S.
00:13:17.000prisoners of war have begun a battle for compensation after uncovering documents that allegedly prove the wartime administration deliberately used them as a tool to whip up domestic support for war with Japan.
00:13:30.000This has been going on for decades, if not centuries, if not millennia.
00:13:35.000This is a standard in practice, which is why Of course, Webster Tarpley is using this past information, using history, to put together his analysis, which, at this point, it's hard to disagree with.
00:13:47.000Now, I understand the logistical nightmare of trying to move 25,000 people out of a war area.
00:13:54.000It's difficult, if not impossible, and that's why cruise ships and the USS Iwo Jima Helicopters, everything within the disposal of the United States apparently is being used, but it is very, very slow.
00:14:08.000It's a very slow process, and even if a few hundred people are left and are killed by bombs, it can be used and will be used, you can count on it, as an excuse to begin further involvement into this new conflict in the Middle East.
00:14:23.000Meanwhile, it appears George W. Bush is not doing a lot of talking about this issue.
00:14:39.000That would be doctored evidence, most likely, that Syria and Iran are heavily involved in the Hezbollah movement and are actually directing the strikes and the rocket attacks and everything else from their central command.
00:14:55.000So once we uncover that document, once we're ready to go, still with our US citizens on the ground in Lebanon, in Beirut, what is to stop the killing?
00:15:07.000Neocons have resurrected plans for regional war in the Middle East.
00:15:13.000In 1996, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, David Wormser, all later senior officials in the Bush administration, had a plan for how to destroy Hezbollah.
00:15:24.000Of course, after 9-11, that was completely possible.
00:15:28.000They wrote a report to the newly elected Likud government in Israel calling for, quote, a clean break with the policies of negotiating with the Palestinians and trading land for peace.
00:15:41.000The problem could be solved, quote, if Israel sees the strategic initiative along with the northern borders by engaging Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon.
00:15:54.000The key, they said, was to, quote, focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right.
00:16:13.000They promised that the successes of these wars could be used to launch campaigns against Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, reshaping the strategic balance of the Middle East profoundly.
00:16:23.000Are you listening, Saudi Arabia and Egypt?
00:16:26.000Because we came upon this document almost immediately after 9-11.
00:16:32.000And I've been talking about this really for years, that Saudi Arabia and Egypt are also targets.
00:16:37.000Right now, our strategic allies soon to be targets.
00:16:42.000I wonder if somebody in Saudi Arabia or Egypt might be monitoring this show.
00:16:47.000Not that I want to cause any global geopolitical conflicts on my own, but they should be aware.
00:16:56.000bogged down in Iraq, with Bush losing control of world events, and with the threats to national security growing worse, no one could possibly still believe this plan, could they?
00:17:26.000Not the United States' proxy war, not the British or the United Kingdom's proxy war, not British Petroleum's proxy war, but Iran's proxy war.
00:17:36.000To push the United States deeper into regional war against Iran and Syria.
00:17:42.000Quote, this is William Crystal, we might consider countering this act of Iranian aggression with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities.
00:18:19.000Now, we can use a semantical dictionary to try to figure out exactly what he means by healthy, but I think that he was one of the people saying that they would throw flowers at our feet when we invaded Iraq.
00:18:33.000So, if they were going to throw flowers at our feet while we invaded Iraq, and we were going to have healthy repercussions while invading Iran, you can only do the math and extrapolate exactly how bad this might be.
00:18:43.000But, according to Bill Kristol, according to James Woolsey, according to Newt Gingrich, according to all of the screaming heads on Neocon Talk Radio, this must be done.
00:18:55.000We must take this opportunity now, while we have the window open.
00:19:01.000Richard Perle, sometimes known as the Prince of Darkness, had already weighed in in a June 25th Washington Post editorial decrying Bush's ignomacious retreat on Iran.
00:19:13.000Newt Gingrich on Meet the Press this Sunday said that we were already in World War III and that the U.S.
00:19:19.000needed to take direct action against North Korea and Iran.
00:19:21.000In fact, he didn't just say that on Meet the Press, he's been saying it anywhere, anytime somebody will put him on the air.
00:19:28.000I wonder if we can get Newt Gingrich on this show.
00:19:30.000He seems very anxious to talk about World War III and action against North Korea and Iran.
00:19:35.000Less well-known pundits have flooded cable news and talk radio this weekend, beating the war drums.
00:19:41.000We're going to continue with this, and by the way, I want to thank ThinkProgress.org for some of this editorial, doing some great work as well.
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00:24:39.000Though, I could be convinced, certainly, because it's hard to look back and find one war, one major conflict that wasn't started on a phony pretext.
00:24:50.000As General Smedley Butler wrote an entire book about this, war is a racket.
00:24:55.000Now, fine, if your military wants to blow up the other guy's military, and the other guy wants to blow up your military, and that's how you want to spend your money, I guess you can make an argument for that.
00:25:07.000But the senseless killing of innocent civilians, or a lesser breed, a lesser class, because this is nothing less than a culture war going on in the Middle East, is absolutely inexcusable!
00:25:22.000I looked at some pictures today that were just mind-blowing and I put these up on my website.
00:25:28.000Hopefully got them up at Infowars.com.
00:25:30.000If you guys are listening you might want to check out these pictures because they literally have eight-year-old girls riding on the bombs leaving Israel that are going to be dropped on children across the border in Palestine and in Beirut!
00:25:59.000How far do we have to go before we can separate leftist pacifism to senseless killing?
00:26:07.000I gotta tell you, we were talking about the neocons resurrecting plans for regional war in the Middle East and talking about how this whole plan started in 1996.
00:26:17.000Yesterday, Webster Tarpley went over with us a secret meeting that had taken place in the American Enterprise Institute, where some of the key heads of both US and foreign powers got together and decided how they were going to try to move forward in this war in the Middle East, how they were going to go after Iran.
00:26:35.000Talking about the Richard Perle article on June 25th.
00:26:40.000Newt Gingrich, and that was in the Washington Post, saying, we gotta go to war.
00:26:46.000Newt Gingrich saying we gotta go get North Korean Iran.
00:26:50.000William Crystal, this is Iran's proxy war and the window is open.
00:26:56.000There's going to be healthy repercussions but it'll show that we're strong here in America because that is what they tried to paint this country with.
00:27:05.000They even go so far as to criticize President Bush himself calling him weak for trying to at least put out the appearances of negotiating before the preemptive strikes happened.
00:27:20.000Less well-known pundits have flooded cable news and talk radio all this week beating the war drums.
00:27:25.000Meanwhile, David Wormser is ensconced in Vice President Dick Cheney's office's neoconservative colleague Elliot Abrams, the convicted Iran contra felon who urged war with Iraq in 1998 in a letter to Bill Clinton, sits and directs Middle East policy on the National Security Council staff.
00:27:42.000The neoconservatives are now hoping to use the Israeli-Lebanon conflict as a trigger to launch a U.S.
00:27:51.000This is the backdoor, this is the way around.
00:27:54.000As we've said, no one is going to stand for an attack on Iran.
00:27:59.000Any of the military generals, anyone in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warning this administration and warning Congress about any potential strike on Iran, the military cannot withstand.
00:28:12.000It's not logistically even possible according to the experts.
00:28:16.000But let's not let the facts get in the way here.
00:28:21.000Because they found a way around it and once there's enough pressure that you have to go to Iran, you have to go to Syria, anyone who's not ably for the plan is unpatriotic and will be painted as such and lambasted in the media.
00:28:37.000These are profoundly dangerous policies.
00:28:40.000They have to be exposed and stopped before any more harm comes to the United States national security than it already has.
00:28:49.000If you think that terrorism is entirely phony, well wait until these people get done.
00:28:53.000They're going to be real terrorists running around everywhere in a massive clash of civilizations.
00:29:01.000And as Daniel Ellsberg said, the next strike will be our right without a doubt, and they will begin rounding up anybody that's Middle Eastern, anybody that supports anybody that could be Middle Eastern, and anybody that criticizes the Bush administration.
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00:33:33.000Jack Blood sitting in today for Alex Jones, who will be back on the air with you tomorrow, ready to go, ready to take on the New World Order.
00:33:40.000Yonatan Shapira joining us in the second hour of today's program.
00:33:44.000He is a captain, or was a captain, in the Israeli Air Force Reserves.
00:33:48.000He is also a military refuser who refused to bomb innocent civilians.
00:33:52.000Good for him in Lebanon and in Palestine.
00:33:55.000He'll be joining us in the second hour of our program today.
00:33:57.000I mentioned this quick interview that we did from the Infowar Studios.
00:34:01.000This interview was technically ready to go for the Alex Jones Show.
00:34:04.000We just ran out of time, so we carried it over onto my program.
00:34:07.000But it was recorded here out of the Infowar studio with Daniel Ellsberg, who is a former military analyst employed by the Rand Corporation, who precipitated a national uproar in 1971 when he released the Pentagon Papers, the U.S. military's account of activities during Vietnam, to the New York Times.
00:34:23.000And this released an awakening of the American people to how much they had been deceived by their own government about the war.
00:34:32.000This literally took down the Nixon administration almost single-handedly, and he might be one of the greatest whistleblowers of all time.
00:34:39.000Has been recently seen backing Cindy Sheehan and other anti-war efforts, but very, very intelligent man.
00:34:46.000He's been around the block several times, and his resume would take so long to read, we'd run out of time.
00:34:56.000The interview that we did with Daniel Ellsberg talking about 9-11, our Reichstag here, and what is going to happen when and if we get hit again here on American soil.
00:35:21.000The White House trying to control all of the news reports around the country.
00:35:25.000What would happen today if somebody leaked something as big as you did back in 1971?
00:35:30.000Actually, if somebody took the risk, the personal risk of putting out a lot of clearly authoritative Real documents, as I did at that time.
00:36:02.000I mean, what is the problem with people in this country today?
00:36:05.000I mean, some things are being leaked as we saw this banking information, the invasion of privacy, the massive databasing and cataloging of all Americans, the loss of liberties.
00:36:16.000Why do you think the people don't take this seriously today?
00:36:18.000Would they have taken it more seriously in 71?
00:36:22.000I'm very disturbed by the reaction that you described there.
00:36:27.000I had to reflect, and it's not a happy reflection, that probably in any given time in any country, including this one, Most people don't care that much about liberties or rights or guarantees of freedom that much.
00:36:40.000I think that goes back to the revolution.
00:36:43.000One third of the people supported the revolution.
00:36:45.000One third supported the empire, according to John Adams.
00:36:50.000It's probably always true that there's a minority of people who are really concerned about that.
00:36:55.000Unfortunately, at this very time, I don't see even a strong minority of people being very active in showing resistance and protest and outrage and really efforts to change this.
00:37:07.000Is real effort being put on Congress to To investigate this, of course it's a Republican majority, and they're going to show a great deal of resistance to it.
00:37:17.000But how much pressure are they actually getting?
00:37:19.000And on the Democrats to press more for it?
00:37:22.000I mean, it's as if after 9-11 especially, the country is acting like so many other countries, saying, We're in danger.
00:37:35.000And I'm afraid we're slipping in the direction of a police state without a lot of resistance, which is what happened in Germany.
00:37:43.000I think the correlations are exactly precise.
00:37:46.000You know, we talked kind of about the neocon doctrine in a way.
00:37:49.000I'm sure you're well aware of the Project for a New American Century, and that they had said they had laid a lot of this out, the doctrine out, of how they were going to go fight multiple wars and multiple theaters, how they were going to expand the budget of the Pentagon by doing so.
00:38:02.000But they also mentioned that this would take a really long time unless they had a new Pearl Harbor, and then magically we had 9-11.
00:38:10.000Have you had a chance to look at a lot of this information coming from America's leading scholars, physicists, engineers, etc., who have taken a look now at 9-11, and are now not only questioning what might have happened on 9-11, but really being very direct, including a number of high-level
00:38:33.000I have looked at a lot of that, and I'll tell you, without going into it all, which would take a lot of time, I find some of it very implausible and other parts of it quite solid.
00:38:44.000There's no question in my mind that there's enough evidence there to justify a very comprehensive and hard-hitting investigation of a kind that we have not seen.
00:38:54.000With subpoenas and general questioning of people and releasing a lot of documents, there's no question that Very serious questions have been raised about how much they knew beforehand and how much involvement there may have been.
00:39:11.000Is an administration capable Humanly and psychologically, of engineering such a provocation?
00:39:21.000I worked for such an administration myself.
00:39:25.000President Johnson put destroyers in harm's way in the Tonkin Gulf, not only once but several times, with a lot of his people hoping that that would lead to a confrontation, and claiming that it had.
00:39:40.000And could have resulted in the loss of many lives in the course of it.
00:39:44.000What I'm saying now, by the way, though, is this, and here there is a very strong analogy.
00:39:49.000To this day, there is a controversy, it's gone back and forth historically, as to who caused the Reichstag fire, the burning of their parliament, the Reichstag, on February 27th, 1933.
00:40:04.000During at one point, the number two man in the Nazi regime said, I set that fire.
00:40:30.000On September 28th, there was a Reichstag fire decree that ended freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of association, all in the Weimar Constitution, and privacy of the postal system, and of communications, and of telephone.
00:40:46.000And adhere to it more than we knew four years ago, right after 9-11.
00:40:50.000If there's another 9-11 or a major war in the Middle East involving a U.S.
00:40:56.000attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after, within days, the equivalent of a right-side fire decree.
00:41:04.000It will involve massive detentions in this country, detention camps for Middle Easterners, And they're quote, sympathizers, critics of the President's policy, and essentially the wiping out of the Bill of Rights.
00:41:19.000I know you're walking very carefully here, Daniel Ellsberg, but that's pretty strong medicine.
00:41:23.000And I think, you know, we have a look at the history of the world.
00:41:35.000Talking about a manufactured provocation which could have involved even a shooting down of an American or some other I would say, by the way, that Americans definitely play this game.
00:42:05.000We'll go ahead and cut it there, folks.
00:42:07.000That was Daniel Ellsberg, again from the Pentagon Papers.
00:42:10.000He leaked a large number of classified papers regarding the execution of the war.
00:42:16.000These documents later became collectively known as the Pentagon Papers.
00:42:19.000They revealed the knowledge early on that the war would not likely be won and that continuing the war would lead to many times more casualties than it was admitted publicly.
00:42:28.000Of course, the papers also showed a deep cynicism toward the public and a disregard for the loss of life and injuries suffered by soldiers and civilians.
00:42:45.000he puts this but he's saying you know he was surprised there wasn't a Gulf of Tonkin incident prior to the war on Iraq but we know that's exactly what 9/11 was was our Gulf of Tonkin incident you can call it our Reichstag but what Daniel Oldsburg is saying he said first of all he agrees that there are there is some great information out there that would certainly need to lead to a new investigation subpoenas and really more questioning related to number to 9/11 no
00:43:13.000No question that there's very serious questions have been raised.
00:43:18.000Is the administration capable of humanly and psychologically of engineering such a provocation?
00:43:26.000They are capable, and as we know, they did.
00:43:29.000He goes on to say how he worked for the Johnson Administration and how they put destroyers in harm's way in the Gulf of Tonkin.
00:43:36.000Many, many times, which could have caused a major loss of life.
00:43:40.000But this led, of course, to the confrontation.
00:43:43.000And then he goes on to say again that the next time we get attacked, which he says no doubt will come right after the attack in Iran, that we will no doubt the next day have our own Reichstag fire here, where
00:43:59.000It'll be the equivalent of a Reichstag fire, will create massive detentions in this country, detentions of camps for Middle Easterners and their sympathizers, critics of the President's policy, and essentially the wiping out of the Bill of Rights.
00:44:16.000So again, very strong medicine, as I put it in the interview from Daniel Ellsberg.
00:44:20.000And we're now beginning to see, if you want to consider Daniel Ellsberg a leftist, and I believe that's what Whipster Tarp we alluded to yesterday.
00:44:28.000He is aligned with anti-war groups who have generally been very closed-minded to some of the issues of 9-11.
00:44:35.000Then take a look at Daniel Ellsberg who now appears to be breaking out of the pack.
00:44:40.000But that's what Daniel Ellsberg has always done.
00:45:14.000He was transcribing a note to his aide to go right to General Myers to find a way to blame this immediately on Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein so that we can go have these wars.
00:45:38.000Because we have to get Syria, we have to get Iran, and as I say, if you're listening, Saudi Arabia and Egypt, we gotta get you too!
00:45:46.000So while we talked about this yesterday on my program, while Saudi Arabia and Osama Bin Laden seem to have almost identical aims to the President, and we might go ahead and say that they're being used by the neocons, by the Western global controllers, To set through their own oil empire.
00:46:05.000This is why, again, they're out against Iran.
00:46:07.000The United States is doing the exact same thing.
00:46:11.000I mean, is this the enormous penalty, the enormous price that has to be paid to go into Iran that somebody like William Kristol is talking about?
00:46:20.000The enormous sacrifice that we must make in order to take advantage now of the opportunity to take out Iran and Syria and any of the other dominoes that need to fall?
00:46:36.000Camps set up for all Middle Easterners?
00:46:39.000Much like World War II, when we locked up every Japanese American in the entire United States, and any sympathizers who might be involved in that provocation, that World War, that preemptive strike, our first Pearl Harbor?
00:46:57.000If you read even just a little bit between the lines, if you just kind of move the lines slightly apart and take a look deep inside that rabbit hole, that's exactly what you're going to see.
00:47:17.000And I'm not kidding around here, folks.
00:47:18.000When we see, every time we get out and we see one of these neocons, whether it be Bill O'Reilly or Sean Vanity, sorry, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Vanity, Lush Limpa, Laura Ingrate, Michael Weiner-Savage, no matter who it is, whenever we see these people get out on radio airwaves that go around the world that reach hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of stations and millions and millions of people calling for the head of Iran, this is what they mean!
00:48:45.000He was a Rockefeller Republican, skull and bones man, German occultist, order of death.
00:48:53.000And that's exactly what is going to happen.
00:48:55.000Death and loss of sovereignty, without a doubt.
00:48:58.000I think it was very brave of Daniel Ellsberg to come out here and I want to thank InfoWars for making that all happen.
00:49:06.000I mean, folks, this should be getting out to everybody, out to every anti-war person, period.
00:49:11.000And we're working on several articles in order to help make that happen.
00:49:16.000But again, looking at history, this is what we've been talking about this first hour, quite simply, very plainly, looking at history, whether it be Vietnam, whether it be World War I or World War II, Whether it be the first war in Iraq, or the second war in Iraq, or the war in Kosovo, or the war in Afghanistan, or the current war with Israel and Lebanon, and potentially Syria and Iran, we see these fingerprints.
00:49:40.000We see this master plan, this great work as they call it, which ends in Fabian Socialism, a locked down, command and control, top of the pyramid controlling the bottom of the pyramid, new world order.
00:50:02.000How many years do we have to be ahead of the curve and be proven right again and again and again and again while these neocons are proven wrong over and over and over and over before people get it?
00:50:13.000That if we simply look at the intelligence, we simply look at history, we add 1 plus 1 and it equals 2, doesn't equal 13.
00:50:27.000So how long do we have to scream into these microphones?
00:50:30.000How long do we have to get up on top of the giant pyramid or owl buildings and make these statements that are all coming true before people realize that they're centralizing everything and they're going to use war and death to do it?
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00:54:39.000Jack Blood sitting in for Alex Jones today.
00:54:41.000Big interview coming up with an Israeli refuser, a military refuser of flu, choppers, rescue missions, also was in a Blackhawk squadron there.
00:54:57.000He'll be joining us here in just about 10 minutes on the program today.
00:55:01.000Just quickly, we just played that interview by Daniel Ellsberg, and he went on to say, after that, I didn't want to play the whole thing, I didn't think we had time, but he did go on to say that some of our leading Democrats are some of the biggest hawks we have in our government.
00:55:30.000With John Kerry coming up for the 2004 Coronation Ceremony in Boston at the Fleet Center in 2004 as he was receiving his nomination to run in the Skull and Bones Presidency.
00:55:43.000Saluting the audience, saying reporting for duty and making a speech about how tough he was going to be on Iraq.
00:55:49.000Now of course he's since flip-flopped.
00:55:54.000It really tells us, and Ellsberg went on to talk about Biden, he went on to talk about Hillary Clinton, and all of those out there who might just jump right on the bandwagon for war.
00:56:05.000And how many of these people are being paid off by lobbying groups, Israeli lobbying groups like AIPAC?
00:56:11.000They can't do anything, including the wonderful Russ Feingold!
00:56:17.000Can't say anything, can't do anything, and in fact, people like Hillary Clinton actually going to meetings looking out a strike against Iran.
00:56:52.000Quickly, we have gone over a lot of history in the first hour of today's broadcast.
00:56:58.000And most of the history, in fact, I'm sure all of the history we've gone over, including Pearl Harbor, including the history of Iran, probably not anything more important to understand in this day and age, what is the history of Iran and how we managed to control every event there for the last 60 years.
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00:59:44.000Yonatan Shapira joined the IDF in 1991.
00:59:46.000He graduated from the Israeli Air Force Flight Course in 1993.
00:59:50.000He served as a regular in the Air Force until 1999.
00:59:54.000While a regular, Yonatan flew primarily as a rescue and assault helicopter pilot, completing well over 100 missions, including missions in Lebanon.
01:00:02.000In 2001, while a civilian pilot and a member of the Reserves, Yonatan was called back to service to become one of the founding members of the Israeli Air Force's new Black Hawk Squadron, for which he received specialized training in Alabama.
01:00:16.000Following initiations to the squadron, Yonatan resumed his status in the reserves.
01:00:21.000As a reservist, he served as a pilot, operations leader, and an instructor.
01:00:25.000In October 2003, Yonatan Shapira, along with 26 others, signed a declaration refusing to participate in aerial attacks on populated areas in the Palestinian territories because of the belief that these attacks are illegal.
01:00:38.000immoral and do not serve the security of Israel.
01:00:40.000Following this act, Yonatan was dismissed from service by the Israeli Air Force commander, General Dan Halutz.
01:00:53.000Now I'm in New York, and next week I'm back in Israel, Palestine.
01:00:58.000We have a couple of minutes in this segment, Yonatan, and I'd like to kind of have you repeat in your own words kind of your history, your story, what happened to you as you were a member of the Israeli Air Force.
01:01:14.000Yeah, to say, to cut it in a short version, I was, in 2003, finally completely awakened from the fake belief that my country was pursuing peace and doing everything to defend us.
01:01:35.000What was the last straw that broke the camelback was the assassination policy that was led by the former Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon.
01:01:46.000The assassination policy was using the Air Force, F-16, Apaches, and all kinds of aircraft and helicopters to assassinate suspects in the Palestinian territories.
01:01:59.000We saw that as a result of this policy, many innocent people died, not just Palestinian innocent, but also Israeli innocent.
01:02:07.000And we felt that we are just part of this circle of mutual revenge.
01:02:12.000And we refused to be these tools for this corrupt government that lost every kind of leadership and sanity.
01:03:07.000You say in 2003, I like the term you use, an awakening, finding out that a lot of the beliefs were phony, they were fake, that Israel was just protecting itself, that they were actually becoming an aggressor and using the...
01:03:22.000Bombing innocent civilians in order to do that.
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01:03:30.000I want to talk a little bit about your training and what's going through the minds of the pilots today as they're bombing Beirut and Lebanon and potentially Syria.
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01:07:08.000Yonatan, along with 26 others in 2003, made a bold statement throughout Israel, signing a declaration refusing to participate in more aerial attacks on populated areas in the Palestinian terrorists because of the belief, again, that these attacks were illegal and immoral and did not serve the ultimate security that these attacks were illegal and immoral and did not serve the In fact, many can make the case That is, it endangered Israel and endangered the rest of us because of this blatant aggression.
01:07:35.000Yonatan, I want to thank you very much for being on the program with us today.
01:07:38.000In the last segment, you talked about briefly how you really became awake in 2003 and began to understand exactly what was being sold to you as being primarily propaganda.
01:07:50.000Did you learn more information about Sharon?
01:07:53.000Did you learn that Shin Bet, for instance, and forces within the Israeli government had funded Hamas to begin with?
01:07:59.000Were you privileged to get some of that information?
01:08:01.000All this information you don't get in the school, not in the United States, not in Israel, and not in other places, and of course not in the army.
01:08:11.000Once you start to be an activist and once you open your eyes to one of the problems, you get to know a lot of other things in the United States.
01:08:19.000If you just want to see, if you just want to learn the reality, everything is out there waiting for you.
01:08:26.000Just like the United States sponsored the Taliban, Israel sponsored Hamas, from all the other stupid interests that those countries are, you know, being led by.
01:08:37.000So, I want to say a few words about, you know, why Why, I think that it's not just my moral decision.
01:08:52.000Even if we are not pilots, even if we are not soldiers in any army, or policemen, or whatever.
01:08:58.000Everything that we do, we are connected to some kind of system.
01:09:03.000And once you are part of a system, you have to take responsibility.
01:09:07.000So, although I was not flying machine guns, I was flying Blackhawk, I didn't shoot anyone myself, but I was part of a system, part of a system that commit crimes, that occupied millions of people for more than 39 years, and caused so many killing and death to so many innocents.
01:09:28.000So, my message to people that listening now to us, Is that each one of you have to take responsibility, must take responsibility.
01:09:38.000You don't have to be a pilot, you don't have to be a soldier to refuse.
01:09:42.000And that could go out to most of our military.
01:09:44.000You know, we have a lot of military people that listen to our program.
01:09:47.000We've had high-ranking generals on our programs talking about how we're creating terrorists faster than we can kill them, how the chain of command is responsible for the torture of Iraqis in Iraq, etc., etc.
01:10:00.000So we're seeing a lot of people in our own military, Yonatan, come out and do what is, I believe, morally right.
01:10:08.000It is a moral decision, but here in our country, we're sworn to protect the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic, to protect our country.
01:10:16.000And when we see that the military has gone awry and does things that endangers the country, we have the obligation to speak up.
01:10:23.000Yeah, and we are trying to do these kind of things.
01:10:28.000not just in Israel, not just in Palestine, but also around the world.
01:10:31.000We are doing lecture tours and meeting with youngsters, with old people, with Jewish, with Arabs, with every kind, everyone who can listen to us.
01:10:43.000We will come and tell him this fact, because, you know, these kind of wars will not last forever in this low scale.
01:11:14.000In Arabic, it's Muqatalun Min Ajwar El Salam.
01:11:18.000And the idea is that former combatants from the Israeli army and from Fatah, and other militias in the Palestinian side understood that with violence we will not win.
01:11:32.000With violence means we will not get anything to our own people.
01:11:37.000And we decided to cooperate together and for about a year and a half we are meeting in Israel and Palestine and discussing our own decision and how we are going to create this change within our societies.
01:11:50.000And in October, in two months from now, we're going to have a tour in the east and west coast of the United States in campuses by Palestinian and Israeli refusers that will share their Experience and their opinions about the situation and if we can be friends and if we can talk to each other I think everyone can talk to each other.
01:12:15.000This is so important that you guys and by the way your website is combatantsforpeace.org if people want to jump on your bandwagon and find a way to support you and support this effort.
01:12:25.000I think it's extremely important that you guys are linked arms with Palestinian refusers as well.
01:12:31.000So here we have some of the first people coming out refusing to fight each other in these really what are manufactured wars.
01:12:42.000We see a lot of leftists in Israel now opposing the war.
01:12:45.000At least that's what they're called because here in our country I am a paleo-conservative.
01:12:49.000I'd like you to know, Yonatan, so I am basically an old-school conservative and I'm against the war.
01:12:55.000So you see, not everybody is a leftist or a liberal who is against the war.
01:12:59.000What type of names have you been called?
01:13:02.000How do they malign your group in Israel?
01:13:06.000You know, when I give lectures, when I talk in the media in Israel, in Europe, in the United States, Sometimes, you know, people call me names because, you know, people think that I betrayed my country or stupid things like that, although I feel that they did just the opposite.
01:13:24.000But when we stand in front of people from all those kind of groups and backgrounds, and we represent the non-insane representative of those people, people who used violence And we're in the military, in militias, and now suggest this better solution for our problem.
01:13:54.000Because here we are standing, Palestinian with Israelis, saying that with violence we will not save and will not solve any of these problems.
01:14:04.000You're not attacked in the media in Israel or even attacked in the media here in the United States or anywhere else around the world, as you said, being a betrayer of your country or refusing to fight, maybe somehow being a coward.
01:14:17.000I mean, these are the things we see happen to our veterans here in the United States.
01:14:23.000I don't have a problem with someone calling me a coward when I know that The courage that it deserves, you know, it demands from a pilot to say, no, no more, I will not participate in this shit anymore.
01:14:38.000It's much more than, you know, the courage that you have to fly a low-level flight at night into Lebanon and wait for someone to shoot at you.
01:14:47.000It's much different and from my experience I can tell you that they deserve much more courage.
01:14:52.000I have to remind you we're on American radio here where there are certain FCC rules, so we've got to tone you down just a little bit there, Yonatan, and have a language, okay?
01:15:02.000Are you looking, that's okay, are you seeing now, I mean it's gotta just drive you crazy to see what the cable news networks are reporting, what the neocon talking heads on the radio are reporting, calling for strikes on Syria and Iran.
01:15:20.000In fact, let me play this clip very briefly.
01:15:23.000James Woolsey, our former CIA director here in the United States, on John Gibson's show on Fox News, calling for an attack on Syria.
01:16:11.000They've sent Hezbollah and Hamas against Israel.
01:16:15.000They're pushing their nuclear weapons program.
01:16:17.000They're helping North Korea, working with them on a ballistic missile program.
01:16:21.000They're doing their best to take over southern Iraq with Muqtada al-Sadr and some of their other proxies.
01:16:26.000This is a very serious challenge from Iran and we need to weaken them badly and undermining the Syrian government with airstrikes would help weaken them.
01:16:37.000If undermining Syria, if taking Syria down a peg or two by actually hitting them with airstrikes would be effective, why not hit something in Iran?
01:16:46.000Well, you know, one has to take things to some degree by steps.
01:16:51.000I think it would be a huge blow to Iran if the Israelis are able, after a few more days' effort, to badly damage Hezbollah in Hamas, as they are doing, and if we were able to help undermine the continuation of the Assad regime.
01:17:10.000Okay, and that's just, Yonatan, just one small example of what we're seeing in the mainstream media here in the United States.
01:17:16.000James Woolsey, former CIA director, says it's really about Iran versus the United States.
01:17:23.000He wants airstrikes on Syria immediately.
01:17:27.000He's also, this particular gentleman has also said that we've been in World War IV since 2003.
01:17:32.000Part of this group, Americans for Victory Over Terrorism.
01:17:35.000What is your response to something like that?
01:17:36.000Let's not forget that according to CIA former members, the CIA is responsible for between 12 to 15 million people who died in the last 60 years.
01:17:53.000Because of wars that the CIA... 12 to 15 million people you've assessed have died through the CIA actions over the last 50, 60 years.
01:18:02.000Yeah, it's not me saying it, it's members, former members from the CIA that sat in the...
01:18:09.000a few years ago and calculate these numbers.
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01:23:05.000The captain of the Israeli Air Force Reserves refused to continue to go on with the violence now living here in the United States and has put together an organization along with a lot of other very good people, including Palestinian refusers.
01:23:49.000First, our website is combatantsforpeace.org And about my service, just like every other Israeli young boy who finish high school, I went to the military, I was 18, 19 years old, and the pilot course take two years.
01:24:12.000And once you finish this course, if you finish the course, you have to sign for five more years.
01:24:20.000And as we know it's precursory to go into the military in Israel.
01:24:23.000What happens if people are conscientious objectors or they refuse to fight?
01:24:29.000So now we have more and more conscious objectors.
01:24:33.000When I was enlisting to the military I was not aware of this fact.
01:24:42.000I was very sure about my The country is doing the right thing, trying to get, you know, to bring us peace and all this kind of fake lies that I happen to know later.
01:24:56.000But nowadays we have thousands of Israelis who do not believe these kind of lies.
01:25:03.000And we have conscious objectors, youngsters who finish high school and go to serve in prison instead of serving in the army.
01:25:10.000Some of them were a year, some of them were two, some of them just a few months.
01:25:15.000And many of them just find a way out from the army.
01:25:19.000What type of treatment would they receive in prison, getting two, three, four years in prison?
01:25:39.000Yeah, Texas still has death penalties, if I'm not wrong.
01:25:43.000For people who are refusing, they don't use it, but people can spend much more time in prison.
01:25:51.000In Israel, the longest term was one year during the trial, during the court system stuff, and then another year in jail.
01:26:02.000Most of these guys are serving a short period of time and then coming in and out again and again because the army, you know, Let's do them each time they out again.
01:26:15.000If you can permit me to say something to our Jewish community audience.
01:26:23.000I think that, you know, maybe some people listen to me and think that, OK, he is a radical, crazy Israeli, you know, he's frustrated or something like that.
01:26:32.000And I want to tell these people that, you know, for many years I risked my life in flying in Lebanon, in the territories.
01:26:40.000I rescued many people, many soldiers, many civilians.
01:26:43.000I was working with terror victims in the Israeli side.
01:26:47.000I know from very, very close distance this horrible situation also for the Israelis.
01:26:54.000And that's why I'm talking out, I'm doing everything out of love to my country, out of my great connection to my Jewish tradition, to my people, and to my great desire to live in peace in my country.
01:27:09.000And if these people who now listen to us, that connected somehow to Israel, by being Jewish, by being, you know, just Americans who care about what's going on there, if you do care, you must be against my government.
01:27:23.000This government is doing everything now that will unfortunately be concluded by the destruction of my country.
01:27:39.000But the thing that I'm going now on, if we won't stop it by external pressure, I don't see a future for my country.
01:27:49.000And this is the most disturbing thing for me now.
01:27:53.000Well, and we often say the same thing here in our country.
01:27:55.000We want to make sure that people understand that we're not bringing out this information because we're against the people of Israel, or that we're anti-American.
01:28:03.000We put that disclaimer out as well, Yonatan, and I'm glad you were able to do that.
01:28:07.000And, you know, we want you to get your message out here, but it's very rare that we have a chance to talk to somebody like yourself.
01:28:13.000When we come back, if you could stay with us, I want to talk about what's going through the minds of the kids fighting now as they're bombing again Lebanon and potentially even Syria.
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01:32:04.000Combatantsforpeace.org is the website and the group of freedom-loving citizens of this world, both Palestinians and Israelis, joining together about to launch a national tour here in the United States to get the message of peace out to the people so that we don't think that every Israeli or every Palestinian is bent on death and destruction.
01:32:30.000One quick question about your military training and then I want to talk about some current events and then we're going to take some calls here and hear from our listeners.
01:32:37.000You trained, you received specialized training in Alabama here in the United States for this work you did with the new Blackhawk squadron.
01:32:44.000Was that specific to just this Blackhawk squadron in a technical capacity or is this just the way all Air Force are trained here in America?
01:32:53.000No sir, we were just foundation team of this squadron and they sent us to this army base in Fort Rucker, Alabama, to start studying this machine, not more than that.
01:33:08.000So this isn't standard practice that much of the Air Force and the military in Israel are trained here in the United States?
01:33:21.000The recent conflict, of course there was indiscriminate bombing going on for weeks in Palestine, which I think some people have already forgotten, but the recent conflict in Lebanon was technically started by a kidnapped soldier, as was the debacle in Palestine as well.
01:33:47.000In other words, is this something that's routine when somebody gets kidnapped for bombings to begin?
01:33:52.000I mean, give us some perspective on that.
01:33:54.000Yeah, first of all, the full details, I think, I believe people can find out in those websites and the news and everything like that.
01:34:01.000But I think it's important to understand that, you know, we condemned the violence of the Palestinian side and the violence of the Hezbollah side.
01:34:12.000And we believe that with non-violent action we will achieve much more.
01:34:16.000So this is for the basic, before I start to answer.
01:34:20.000But things didn't start when the soldier, the Israeli soldier, was kidnapped in Gaza.
01:34:28.000Those weeks before were terrible fascinations that most of the people who died were civilians, innocent Palestinians.
01:34:38.000The reason that it led to this escalation is because on the month before, and even years before, my government still refused to talk with the Palestinians.
01:34:50.000They want to commit unilateral moves and finish this conflict with power and with unilateral policy.
01:35:03.000And this is the root reason of this current violence.
01:35:12.000Were they waiting for a pretext, Yonatan, or did they create the pretext in order to go into Lebanon?
01:35:17.000You know, that's the thing you should ask the Israeli official representative.
01:35:22.000But I can tell you that, you know, missiles on the north, on Haifa and Nafula, it's something that very easily, you know, make, you know, push all the triggers on those generals and prime minister and minister of defense in Israel.
01:35:41.000So you don't have to convince and to do a lot of work to make, to mobilize the people to go to fight Lebanon.
01:35:50.000When you have missiles falling on their cities.
01:35:53.000It's a fact that we should not forget.
01:35:56.000We covered this earlier in our program.
01:35:59.000We were talking about when Japan was provoked by the United States and then of course we saw Pearl Harbor following that.
01:36:07.000Uh, and this, you know, it can be done.
01:36:09.000In fact, there are strategies throughout history that provokes terrorists to get them active so that you can, again, legitimize what you're trying to move forward with military action or otherwise.
01:36:21.000We also talked about how it's been proven that Our President FDR, Roosevelt, left Americans in the Philippines for good war propaganda, even knowing that they would be killed.
01:36:32.000A lot of them trying to get some type of restitution for that.
01:36:34.000Now, we have 25,000 Americans locked into Lebanon.
01:36:38.000It appears not a major effort to try to airlift them out.
01:36:42.000Are you afraid, as maybe we are, that they could be used?
01:36:45.000Maybe something happens to them and this could escalate this further and involve the United States into this military conflict?
01:36:53.000You know, I think there are so many good reasons for the United States to... not good, I mean bad reasons, but they perceive them as good reasons to join this war and to attack Iran and all this kind of stuff.
01:37:08.000I don't think that they have to have all these pretexts.
01:37:12.000They can find them, they can later on write some good propaganda and spread it on.
01:37:17.000Well, it's not as easy as it used to be, Yonatan.
01:37:19.000I gotta tell you, I mean, here in the United States, a lot of generals, people in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, people at the Pentagon, people in the State Department dissenting, not wanting to go into this plan to go to Syria in Iran.
01:37:31.000They feel we have our hands full now with Afghanistan and Iran.
01:37:34.000I think, as I told you before the interview, I said that people do not like to go to wars, but the only thing that you have to do is just tell them that they are being attacked.
01:37:46.000And you can do it here today, American public, and you can do it in Israel, and then you have war.
01:37:52.000And that's exactly the reason that I believe that the U.S.
01:39:05.000But I must tell you that a soldier or a pilot or an officer who is being sent by his commander is quite sure that he is going to protect civilians.
01:39:20.000And this, you know, it deserves a lot of propaganda, a lot of half-side history lessons, and eventually you have to pull a trigger and to press some button.
01:39:34.000But you are so confident before then that you're doing it in order to protect people.
01:39:40.000And actually, you know, if I was now in the military, And I was still, you know, believing the system.
01:39:48.000And my commander would tell me that, you know, you must attack this car because this car is going to blow itself and kill thousands of people.
01:39:58.000You know, you make the calculation, you understand that you should protect these thousands of people.
01:40:04.000But the problem is that we do not believe this system anymore.
01:40:15.000This is all going to end up in peace just tomorrow or the next day.
01:40:18.000Yeah, and I can assure you that most of the pilots are leftist.
01:40:21.000Most of the pilots are, you know, voting for left parties, for the Labour or for even the Merits Party.
01:40:28.000I know some pilots who are still serving, who even vote for the Israeli Arab Party, and it sounds ridiculous, but these guys are, just like you said, they think that the system will lead us eventually, will lead us eventually to peace.
01:40:44.000And they still have some kind of confidence and belief in the system.
01:40:50.000I don't know if you're familiar with George Orwell's 1984, but in doublespeak, war is peace, and this is of course what is being packaged and sold to the American people, the people around the world as well.
01:41:01.000We're opening up the phone lines for Yonatan Shapira, former captain in the Israeli Air Force who refused to continue to be involved in the attacks on foreign countries.
01:41:13.000Currently residing here stateside his organization again combatantsforpeace.org 1-800-259-9231 We are live on the Alex Jones Show this 18th day of July 2006.
01:41:49.000Yeah, it's the same in the Israeli military.
01:41:52.000So, if the scenario ever came up where the military people that are listening to this program would just refuse to go along or to carry out these missions, we wouldn't have anybody to fight these wars now, would we?
01:42:10.000Well, nor would we have anybody to defend the country in case there was a real threat, which I guess is always possible.
01:42:18.000Right, I'm talking about specifically Iraq, and if we're going into Iran, this is all set up for Iran, I think there should be a mutiny in the military.
01:43:01.000Actually, I can tell you that at the last discussion with the Commander of the Air Force, that now is the Chief of Staff, who is leading all this stupid and crazy war.
01:43:12.000In the last interview that I had with him, after I published the letter with my friends, I told him that I don't want him just to discharge me from the Air Force.
01:43:23.000I want him to charge us, to charge me.
01:43:26.000And we are willing even to sit in jail if they can show in court that these orders are legal.
01:43:45.000Hi, I was going to ask Do you feel that the Hezbollah and the other resistance organizations are legitimate, or do you feel that they are just plain terrorist organizations, or is it somewhere in between there?
01:43:59.000Yeah, I don't think that it's legitimate to fire missiles on civilians.
01:44:04.000And to kill people in the border, but I think that the same insanity and the same illegitimacy you can find in both sides of this line.
01:44:15.000I think that's why I think that there is a chance for dialogue because I know the Israelis are insane and I know that if they are acting like that and the Hezbollah are acting like that There is a chance that eventually we can sit down and discuss these things without shooting and killing each other.
01:44:38.000I think that what Zack was getting at is are they controlled opposition or are they, I guess, a legitimate actual terror force that needs to be dealt with and negotiated with or are they infiltrated either by Shin Bet, by the Mossad, by foreign intelligence to the point where this is all kind of part of the plan?
01:44:57.000You know, I think that history taught us that the best way to deal with groups who are violent and use terror against civilians is to talk with them and to make them legitimate.
01:45:10.000And then they, most of the time, withdraw from their terrorist means.
01:45:14.000You understand we can't talk to Al-Qaeda in a serious way because they're still generally being directed by the Central Intelligence Agency, so it doesn't help us to talk to someone who we already control.
01:45:25.000Yeah, but there is a difference between not talking to someone, then bombing civilians that live next by, and making them join the Hezbollah.
01:45:38.000I'm against this radical and fanatic agenda and opinions.
01:45:43.000But at the same time, I think that killing innocent people that live next to this commandership of the Hezbollah will just make more people join the Hezbollah and eventually attacking Israel.
01:46:07.000I just wanted to say that this is very sad that this is happening because we're killing our own family.
01:46:13.000And I mean, I've talked to some of the people with the Jewish centers and stuff and they said that a lot of this is being caused from jealousy from the other side of our family that they they feel like we have more than they do that we developed ourselves they haven't But I mean, this is so sad, but this battle's been going on for a long time.
01:46:34.000I mean, ever since Esau and Jacob, and this is exactly what's happening.
01:46:38.000And it's sad, but I'll tell you, there's a lot of sick people out there.
01:46:42.000I mean, we have intermarried our own families for over 2,000 years, and we have the highest level of mental insanity in the world.
01:46:48.000And I think this is part of our problem that Some of these people are not mentally stable.
01:46:52.000It's the inbreeding, Paula, is that what you're saying?
01:46:55.000Yeah, I've got some information on this that I got, and it said that we were told to intermarry until a certain time, until the time of Charlotte, but they said because of this, we have the highest level of mental instability.
01:47:05.000So you think that maybe George Herbert Walker Bush shouldn't have married his cousin Barbara Pierce and had children, and maybe that's part of the problem?
01:48:31.000Well, the reason I'm calling is you know how these globalists work.
01:48:35.000In our local newspaper, about a week ago, there was an article showing that Hawaii plans to hold an exercise in mid-August simulating the explosion of a half-kiloton nuclear device at the entrance of Honolulu Harbor.
01:48:49.000And this is going to be a mock blast that theoretically would result in 10,000 casualties.
01:48:56.000That's supposed to take place in mid-August.
01:48:59.000Yeah, I remember covering that a while back.
01:49:01.000They've been planning this for a long time.
01:49:03.000Alright, so you know how their mock drills turn out to be the real thing?
01:49:09.000Well, they use these drills in order to disguise false flag operations, and we've seen that in every instance in the most recent terror attacks around the world, or quote-unquote terror attacks.
01:49:20.000We're keeping our eye on you, Joy, over there, and I think that if you get the word out to people that you're having this drill and that people use these drills to cover for false flag operations, maybe you'll scare them off from maybe doing something.
01:49:32.000So you mean a false flag here in Hawaii?
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01:53:15.000Yonatan Shapiro with us, former captain of the Israeli Air Force Reserves, military refuser, refused to continue the effort of the bombing of innocent civilians in and around Israel.
01:53:27.000Now working with the group combatantsforpeace.org.
01:53:30.000I'd like everyone to go there, find out about this organization, and if you can Book them at an event or you can help them get their message out.
01:53:38.000Help them increase their ranks or their funding.
01:53:41.000I think that this would be a legitimate organization to support.
01:53:45.000Combatants4Peace.org Yonatan, let me ask you this.
01:53:52.000Here in the United States, if we criticize Israel for anything, whether it be the government, whether it be the Zionist leaders, whether it be the military actions, we are instantly called anti-Semitic.
01:54:05.000This seems to be a plan that's very well thought out, and this is maybe why Israel seems to be front and center to a lot of the wars and aggression.
01:54:12.000How do you think we should deal with that?
01:54:47.000That's a great suggestion and I want to let you know that we are open, both here on the Alex Jones Show and my program Deadline Live, to have as many of you Israelis on as possible to make the point that, again, we are all concerned.
01:55:00.000Israeli citizens and American citizens and British citizens and German citizens and French citizens and Russian citizens, all alike, very concerned for the state of the world.
01:55:10.000That being said, we'll put anything on the record that you want here we have just a couple of minutes left.
01:55:16.000What needs to be done to create a ceasefire?
01:55:19.000What can we do to stop this escalation?
01:55:22.000You know, I think that the United States now will not stop the escalation.
01:55:28.000They will probably just give us some more bombs and missiles to shoot.
01:55:36.000I guess that we can address our request to European leaders Maybe to some people in the UN, if the UN will be a bit stronger, and to force the sides to cease fire.
01:55:49.000The problem is now that Israel is even refusing to talk to the Lebanese government.
01:55:54.000The Lebanese government did not shoot on us, but Israel refused to talk to them because they want to... we want to continue this operation.
01:56:04.000So we must force them to cease fire by any non-violent means.
01:56:09.000It means You know, boycott, it means divestment, it means isolating diplomats from Israel.
01:56:16.000All these kind of things are legitimate now in order to force them to cease fire.
01:56:21.000So you've given up on us here in the United States, Yonatan.
01:56:24.000You've completely given up on any hope that the United States could intervene.
01:56:28.000No, I didn't completely give up, but when I see the reaction of your leaders now, I know that it's not something that's going to happen tomorrow or the next day.
01:56:40.000And if it will not be stopped tomorrow or the next day, it's very, very dangerous.
01:56:47.000And logistically, I think that's almost impossible.
01:56:50.000I mean, even if we got millions of people out into the street over this, and I don't think again until Americans are heard, or until we can really start feeling the pain here, I don't know if that's likely to happen.
01:57:01.000It's certainly not likely to happen in time.
01:57:02.000Will the United States become Tel Aviv?
01:57:04.000Will we see terrorist bombs going off every day here in a big city like you do in Tel Aviv?
01:58:07.000The former defector from the military in Israel wants to save his country.
01:58:14.000Maybe it helps save ours, and even the world, by joining together with others from all sides of this conflict to say they don't want any more war, they don't want any more violence, they're done killing each other, and that there is nothing going on in Israel other than the fact that they are the aggressor.
01:58:46.000It takes you aback a little bit when you really hear somebody like that say, look, there's probably no hope for you guys helping us.
01:58:55.000We're just going to have to give up on the United States.
01:58:57.000And then you think that throughout this great country, or once great country, there are roughly 50 million people that want to help but are too busy or too distracted or not incensed enough to get out and really do something.
01:59:11.000I mean, if we could put You know, 30 million people on the street.
01:59:14.000You remember May Day when we were having immigration protests?
01:59:17.000If you could put that many people on the street by tomorrow, you could perhaps turn the tide.
01:59:26.000No, not the next day after that, or next week, or next month, or next year.
01:59:30.000It's shocking to hear and to believe that we're kind of a lost cause here, enablers.
01:59:38.000For this Middle East war, and when you hear that Woolsey clip that we played, or you get some of the copy coming out from these policy makers, these pundits, or even these screaming heads all over the radio and the TV, you can understand why people feel that way.
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02:07:39.000I mean, basically, what we've found out is the missiles that Hezbollah is allegedly shooting off into Israel are close to what Scuds might be.
02:07:49.000Some of them now, I guess, are a little more intelligent.
02:07:51.000But they certainly... I don't believe Hezbollah has their own satellites up in space and are able to guide some of these missiles.
02:07:57.000So, they're heat-seeking... It sounds like maybe there's a stand-down on the northern defenses of Israel to allow these rockets to go in there.
02:08:44.000Well, I'm sure he's got a pretty big bullseye on his back.
02:08:47.000I mean, that's why he's here in the United States.
02:08:50.000It seems that if Jewish people are trying to expose the old hidden history of the Kazarian, they're just being killed.
02:08:58.000Well look, hold on a second, let me say something.
02:09:02.000One of the points that he made is that the new Israeli military are much more up to speed on the information about the history of their government and the history of the world.
02:09:13.000And that is again because we have the internet.
02:09:15.000That is we have more avenues to share information.
02:09:18.000So they're going to have a harder and harder time, much like our Military does here in the United States and militaries all over the world are going to have a harder and harder time recruiting people for these missions as people begin understanding what real history means.
02:09:32.000The problem is, where do you want to place these Israelis?
02:09:36.000I mean, I don't think the Russians want them back there.
02:09:49.000Well, look, and we understand all of that, but at this point, there's no way we're going to remove the Israeli government.
02:09:57.000It is staying there, and merely, I believe that... I believe that, you know, Webster Tarpley touched on this yesterday.
02:10:04.000I mean, the original treaties and the original borders need to be honored, and that means people on both sides are going to have to start making some concessions.
02:12:36.000Well, and especially regarding this Middle East conflict, you know, I remember about a month ago, I was screaming for people to get involved, for the news to start covering this.
02:12:46.000When the initial bombing started in Lebanon, I couldn't believe that it was hardly being covered on the mainstream news.
02:12:52.000Well, I have to be careful what I wish for, because now it's 24-7, and as you say, it's about 99.9% pure propaganda, war propaganda.
02:14:16.000What I wanted to say was yesterday I was listening when a Christian called in and was concerned.
02:14:22.000He was obviously up to speed on the New World Order and all, but he said he just couldn't back Going against Israel.
02:14:29.000You remember the guy I'm talking about?
02:14:31.000Yeah, we had a couple of calls like that.
02:14:32.000Yeah, I just heard one, and you know, I'm an evangelical, born-again Christian, however you want to call it, and I came from that same tradition where, you know, Israel, you back them no matter what, and that they are the true people of God and all, but I want to speak to the Christians that are listening that we know that in the end times, there's going to be great deception.
02:14:55.000And Jesus said, blessed are the peacemakers, first of all.
02:14:59.000We've got to decide and discern what's really peace and what's really not.
02:15:04.000Aren't we supposed to love our neighbors?
02:15:55.000I mean, this is a direct creation from the Bank of Rothschild, from the British royalty and some of the long-standing globalist powers that have been around now for hundreds of years.
02:16:25.000I just wanted to, you said this was a worldwide forum, and I just want to speak to Christians to go to the Lord and seek wisdom.
02:16:32.000You know, it says in James, if you lack wisdom, ask for it.
02:16:36.000And so we as Christians need to know exactly who we're praying for, who we're backing, And most of all, remember that Jesus did say, blessed are the peacemakers.
02:16:46.000It sounds like you found that wisdom, but I believe some of our listeners, even after hearing an Israeli on the air today, standing up for his country, much like we do here in America as patriots, People still doubting, people still looking for discernment, still not being able to find that wisdom.
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02:22:27.000You know, I think a lot of people are really starting to believe that there's nothing to gain by being a leader of a freedom movement or of a peace movement.
02:22:36.000Nothing but trouble will come of that, and everybody trying to get out there and get theirs.
02:22:40.000Yes, we've heard the expression, those with the most toys win.
02:22:47.000Of course we know that this is not true and something you really learn when you get involved with all of this and you get involved with all the activism that we are ceaselessly doing.
02:22:58.000You really learn the value of freedom, that there's nothing that can be placed higher than freedom, the freedom of human consciousness, the freedom of our children and our grandchildren to live without being constantly monitored, without being thrown into camps for being dissident or sent off to the front lines to some war for profit or for power.
02:23:19.000So I'll tell you that the mantle of this country, or whatever country you're listening to this broadcast in, rests surely on your shoulders.
02:23:29.000This is a very important time in history.
02:23:34.000And it's not enough just to talk about this.
02:23:36.000It's not enough just to know about it.
02:23:38.000It's not enough just to, you know, send emails to your friends about this.
02:23:42.000So that's a start in the right direction.
02:23:44.000But we really need to put people out where it's going to do the most good.
02:23:48.000And I tell you, in any given town, in this city, in the United States of America, or in the world at large, if you can get a thousand people together in a coalition and agree on some very simple things, And you can get those thousand people on a pinpoint like a laser beam on the front porch of some of these policy makers, you can begin to see change.
02:24:09.000And that has been proven over and over and over again.
02:25:03.000Before I make my comments, I hope sometime you will get time and you will do shows on people like me with a visual impairment, because we're left behind.
02:26:29.000I think everybody's guilty in this case.
02:26:31.000But again, something I was trying to get through to Yontan, and maybe he doesn't have as much of a grip on history as some of you might have, or some in this audience might have, or Alex Jones or myself, but when we're looking at Hamas and Hezbollah, we know that every terrorist organization on the face of the earth was funded into existence as controlled opposition.
02:26:52.000So when we're saying both sides are doing this, we have to remember the leaders are most likely still being controlled some way or another, some shape or form, by these globalists.
02:27:04.000The very same people that steal our liberties here in this country, the very same people that are responsible for 9-11, that are responsible for Oklahoma City, that set the policy that allows something like Waco or Ruby Ridge to happen, and events like this to happen all around the world.
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02:30:59.000We are going to go back to your calls.
02:31:01.000We're going to play this clip, the open mic session with Tony Blair, Vladimir Putin, And George W. Bush from the G8 meeting just, I believe, yesterday, the day before yesterday.
02:31:13.000Just real quick, some news coming in from the New York Post.
02:31:19.000Former Time Incorporated editor-in-chief Norman Perlstein will sever ties to the parent company after Labor Day to become a senior advisor to the Carlisle Group, the global buyout firm.
02:31:34.000Carlisle, which recently was a part of the winning consortium that bought VNU, owner of Nielsen Media Research and The Hollywood Reporter, and also owns Lowe's Cinemas, by the way, are now interested in stepping up its media activity.
02:31:52.000It currently has $41.9 billion under management and is interested in expanding and publishing TV and new media.
02:32:00.000This is very much like Berlusconi And various dictators around the world.
02:32:05.000They own the military, they own the media, they own everything!
02:32:09.000And thanks to the ex-president's club and the influence they wield, the Carlyle Group soon to own most of TV and print media and the internet as well as film.
02:32:21.000Pearlstein became the senior advisor to Time Warner in January after 11 years in the firm's top editorial job.
02:32:28.000It goes on to say, Time Incorporated remains the world's biggest magazine publisher, thanks in part by a $1.6 billion purchase by IPC.
02:32:37.000But here you go, Norman Perlstein now joining the Carlyle Group, the global buyout firm, who by the way, create a situation where they ruin companies, then go in and buy them very cheaply and very low, and the next thing you know, they're making all kinds of money hand over foot.
02:32:54.000They actually borrow money, much like This was also part of the investigations into the 60s, into the labor money being loaned to the mafia in order to make financial investments.
02:33:07.000This is very similar to what the Carlyle Group does.
02:33:10.000They borrow extensively from Texas pension funds in order to get the capital together to buy these ruined companies, which they themselves had a hand in ruining, and then of course create this global consortium, whether it be media, whether it be military, Whether it be security folks, the Carlyle Group generally has their fingers in the pie.
02:33:30.000I'm going to go back to the phones here briefly.
02:34:18.000Sometimes I watch a bread and circus sporting event or something.
02:34:22.000And then I go back to work till four in the morning.
02:34:24.000But you've got to have some way to decompress.
02:34:27.000Anyway, I wanted to make one comment about 9-11 and the Israeli conflict that's going on.
02:34:35.000There's been a couple of fellas on Fox News lately, like Jim Fetzer, and I forget the other fella who was just on.
02:34:41.000They're trying to make him look like fools.
02:34:44.000I would love to see one of those guys, even if you're asked on sometime, or anybody, just to say, hey Hannity, we know you're a good Catholic and a very charitable guy.
02:34:54.000How about we do something for charity?
02:34:57.000I'll put up X amount of dollars and put it to your charity if you can find any evidence, put it on your website, put it on your show of a plane going into the Pentagon or whatever.
02:35:14.000And really put their feet to the fire.
02:35:15.000Probably not a bad suggestion, though.
02:35:17.000He'll begin to tell you all the great charitable things he does and why he doesn't need you to help him with his charities.
02:35:23.000I mean, I'm sure he'd find a way out of that, but at least, hey, put his feet to the fire.
02:35:27.000It's like they put his hooves to the fire.
02:35:29.000And have you ever seen, obviously we all know that planes went into the World Trade Center, but have you ever seen a photograph that actually can show identification of that plane?
02:35:40.000Like, you know, a United logo or whoever?
02:35:45.000Well, I don't know if I've seen any exact tail numbers.
02:35:49.000I believe those pictures are out there.
02:35:50.000To be honest with you, I think I've analyzed thousands of pictures about the events of 9-11, and sometimes it gets a little jumbled in my head.
02:36:03.000Yeah, I don't want to promote websites here on this program, but if you listen to my show and you ask that question again, I can give you a couple of websites that might actually clarify that for you.
02:36:53.000Some extraordinarily candid comments from President Bush today on the Middle East conflict, when he didn't think anyone else was listening, except British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
02:37:03.000At the final working lunch today of the G8 Summit, with cameras visible and microphones on from official Russian TV, not US media, President Bush, apparently not knowing he could be heard, shared with Tony Blair his unvarnished opinion.
02:37:22.000The irony is that what they need to do is get serious, get head-butted, and stop doing their sh** and hold on.
02:37:27.000And the president sounded dismissive of UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, who's also here and calling for an urgent end to violence.
02:37:37.000President Bush revealed he expects to send Secretary Rice to the region soon.
02:37:47.000And he talked about the approach the Prime Minister unveiled hours earlier, standing with Annan, sending international troops to the region.
02:37:56.000If we have the deployment of ...of an international force into that area that can stop the bombardment coming over into Israel and therefore gives Israel the reason to stop its attacks on Hezbollah.
02:38:12.000It appears it was Blair who noticed the microphone was on and he reached over to turn it off.
02:38:17.000When asked about the tape, White House officials say the President's comments may have been more blunt in private but are the same as his views expressed in...
02:39:52.000The other reason I called was, I was wondering, you probably didn't hear the first two hours of George Norrie's show last night, but... I probably did.
02:39:59.000To me, man, he sounded like he got his talking points last night from Richard Perle.
02:40:03.000Yeah, I don't know what to say about that.
02:40:06.000I mean, I think, again, It's a reaction to fear.
02:40:11.000There's fear involved in Mr. Nori on the aspect that he really believes that we should be scared of Iran, and he just sounds very neocon-esque when he goes into those rants.
02:40:23.000Yeah, and his guest was a real Zionist.
02:40:27.000I was actually laughing when this guy said that the Israelis are such humanitarians that if Iran nuked them for the sake of humanity, They probably wouldn't strike back with nukes.
02:40:37.000Well, we're getting through to George Norrie and, you know, look, we can criticize him all we want for the things he says that we don't agree with, but I prefer to give him a pat on the back for the time that he allows us, having Alex Jones on the air, which I know is very popular for him, getting a chance to put out the information that we know about.
02:40:56.000So, look, I mean, I guess he's covering both sides of the issue.
02:41:01.000Well, it's a great thing that he let Alex come on, but it seems like the longer it's been since Alex has been back, it seems like he drifts back to this neo-con life.
02:41:12.000George, I've got to tell you, man, I found myself in New York City at that coronation, maybe 50 feet away from George W. Bush, going, hmm, maybe Bush is right.
02:42:24.000Now, I'm not going to preach, but I tell you, the Bible is very clear.
02:42:28.000The Bible teaches us that there are two Israels.
02:42:32.000Paul said in Romans 9, all of Israel are not Israel.
02:42:36.000They're just full of the flesh, and these are not the children of God, but the heirs according to promise.
02:42:41.000That's what I was kind of getting at yesterday.
02:42:43.000You know, here's what I'm worried about, Les, and I think that this is certainly the spiritual end of this has got to be in the equation, but here's what I'm worried about is that the, I'll call them the neocons, but let's call them the globalists, let's call them the illuminati, call them the new world order, call them whatever you want.
02:42:57.000I'm afraid that they're going to use what's in the Bible and what's in various religious texts about the end times In order to create that.
02:43:06.000In other words, it's not going to happen naturally.
02:43:09.000It's not going to happen when it's supposed to happen.
02:43:11.000They're going to make sure it happens, and they're going to convince everybody that this is Armageddon.
02:43:16.000And I think that in some ways, somebody writing out the memos are talking about this very issue.
02:43:41.000Have you seen this story about the IRS warning churches to avoid campaigning?
02:43:44.000I just heard that and it doesn't surprise me because Satan got his nose under the tent by getting churches on their payroll, so to speak, because I left the church last year.
02:43:57.000that he signed that, 501c3, and they're already telling him what he can and can't preach.
02:44:08.000That doesn't stop Pat Robertson, though, does it, Les?
02:44:13.000Yeah, but he's part of the camel, I believe.
02:44:17.000Well, yeah, let me tell you why they're doing this.
02:44:19.000It's because the Democratic Party has put together a strategy to get the Martin Luther King types, the more liberal religious types, out on the campaign trail to show that they have morals and they're Christians, too.
02:44:33.000So magically, about two weeks later, the Internal Revenue Service has been warning churches and non-profit organizations Listen, I'm gonna be quick.
02:44:40.000whatever that means improper campaigning in the upcoming political season could endanger their tax-exempt status 501 c3 as we know it 15,000 organizations have been notified to not campaign in the 2004 election listen I'm gonna be quick The Bible says that there's an Israel of the spirit and who are they?
02:45:00.000They're all born-again Christians and a little bit of study and I mean, that's Jew and Gentile alike.
02:45:05.000Paul taught that there's no difference between a Jew and Gentile when we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior.
02:45:34.000Well, I believe... Thank you, Les, and I think that probably encouraged a lot of people to hear you make those comments.
02:45:39.000I believe that we need to put pressure on our pastors, on our church leaders, in order to start taking up and disseminating and at least discussing, having these discussions from the pulpit.
02:45:49.000I believe it is part of spiritual warfare, personally, for myself.
02:45:53.000I may not subscribe to the same doctrine as some of you folks, but I do believe that and I think it will put some pressure on these churches.
02:46:00.000Get them to sign off the 501c3 or get them to stand up to the IRS and to the federal government.
02:46:05.000I know we're going to see more changes.
02:46:07.000Les, I appreciate the call and you keep the faith.
02:46:10.000Ruth is calling in from North Carolina.
02:46:55.000Hillary Clinton's recent fierce drum and chest beating that was broadcast, and he was just screaming like a banshee for war.
02:47:01.000I mean, this is the, oh, if we had a woman for president, there wouldn't be any wars.
02:47:06.000I wonder what the Democrats make of it.
02:47:07.000I mean, yesterday, again, two of the most public people in the world at a chummy breakfast, that being media mogul Rupert Murdoch and Senator Hillary Clinton, trying to keep their political get-together as secret as possible.
02:47:22.000I mean, this is just like the Republicans managing and financing Al Sharpton's campaign in the last go-around.
02:47:30.000I know it's like when you find Andy Kaufman and the guy you're supposed to be wrestling against having a meeting backstage.
02:47:35.000Another thing I wanted to say was regarding your call to people in the peace movement to do more than just send emails to friends and to get out on the streets.
02:47:43.000I know you say you'd like to encourage websites.
02:47:45.000I don't have one, but I'm saying I would like to take this opportunity to urge someone out there who has the wherewithal to make a website, to have a website bulletin board.
02:47:53.000It could be called like March, this doesn't exist, but I'm saying like MarchDate.com or something that would have announcements about upcoming marches.
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02:51:39.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
02:51:53.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
02:51:59.000Well, I want to thank everybody for being so kind to me and welcoming me these last three days, filling in for Alex Jones.
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02:53:01.000Where the Right Went Wrong on National Security and the Left Too, by Andre Michael Eglishan.
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02:53:12.000We'll be talking about these new developments in the Federal Reserve, with Andre Eglishan joining us in Deadline Live, coming up right after this program.
02:54:57.000First of all, I think it's deplorable that our country has left all of our Americans over there with such a slow effort in trying to get them removed from Lebanon.
02:55:07.000Second, I talked to a local preacher here and he told me he had to be discreet about who he told about it.
02:55:14.000Third comment is that about ten days ago I called my congressman And left a message with him that it involved treason, and I still haven't heard from him.