Jonathan Mosley joins Alex Jones on the show to discuss his views on the 9/11 conspiracy theories and the people who believe they know the truth about the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Jonathan Mosley is the author of the book "Swift Boats Captain" and is a frequent contributor to the New York Times and the Washington Post.
00:01:21.000Maybe he's watching something different we haven't seen.
00:01:24.000Uh, and now it's been reviewed by others, and they're saying it's not there, uh, that he supposedly called for violent overthrow of the U.S.
00:01:40.000Tell us a little bit about yourself, um, and, uh, Your association with the publishing company that put out the Swift Boats Captain book for us?
00:02:32.000Because we have a foreign enemy who has attacked us and has been attacking us since 1979 and hit the World Trade Center in 1993 and tells us they want to kill us again and again.
00:02:42.000And instead of looking at the people who really killed them, they want to use it for a political point to bash George Bush and blame our country.
00:02:52.000You know, it's awfully easy to talk about technicalities.
00:03:41.000Because you go from questions to conclusions without anything in between.
00:03:47.000And because, um, you keep changing your story.
00:03:50.000Mr. Mosley, you can go out and find crazy people that think no planes hit the towers and then try to strawman claim them that we, quote, keep changing our story.
00:03:59.000I haven't changed my story from before 9-11.
00:04:01.000And I asked you yesterday, I said, have you heard of Operation Northwoods?
00:04:06.000And you said that you had heard me talk about it, but that you didn't know about it.
00:04:10.000I mean, shouldn't you go find out of my claim about an official U.S.
00:04:13.000government document to carry out 9-11 style attacks?
00:04:16.000Shouldn't you go find out if that exists, or you just decide that doesn't exist?
00:04:20.000Well, I don't believe it exists, but I think that most of the argument here is the fallacy of the possible.
00:04:27.000You say because it could have happened, therefore it did.
00:04:30.000No, sir, you just said you don't believe Northwoods exists, but you're not going to investigate it.
00:04:34.000Well, I could, but how would, you know, do you... I'm going to Congress, sir.
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00:08:15.000About to go back to our guest, Jonathan Mosley, who... A lot of folks that snipe at us won't come on and take their medicine, but he's doing it, so I gotta commend him.
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00:09:34.000You do that by blowing the fake conservatives politically out of the water, showing how they control the liberals, how Hillary's on the payroll, Clinton's on the payroll.
00:09:42.000You expose how they're terrorists and we can defeat them together.
00:09:45.000We can actually get the country back instead of being pacified by these government operatives out there that pose as conservatives.
00:09:51.000And then you've got the well-meaning folks out there.
00:09:54.000Like Jonathan Mosley, who joins us now.
00:10:02.000Tell us why we're smirching, profaning, to use your language, the memory of the 3,000 dead on 9-11.
00:10:09.000Well, one of the biggest things that upsets me about this is that the effect of this is to not guard us against a real enemy.
00:10:17.000Now, if there are other enemies and other people we need to bring to justice, that's fine.
00:10:21.000But we know we have an enemy out there that wants to kill us.
00:10:24.000And the effect of this is saying, drop your guard.
00:10:26.000It's like a boxer letting his guard down so he can get walloped again.
00:10:31.000Now, I know that from your perspective, you don't want to be blamed for what other conspiracy theorists are saying about this.
00:10:37.000And one of the points I make is that there's a mishmash of different theories out there.
00:10:43.000And as a consequence of that, people say, oh, there's overwhelming evidence.
00:10:46.000But the overwhelming evidence is all contradicting each other.
00:10:49.000From your perspective, you want to be held accountable for your beliefs, but from the perspective of the country and people listening, they're hearing it all.
00:10:57.000I don't know how to respond to that, but we keep hearing all this craziness go back and forth, and it does keep changing when they encounter facts, they just switch to another argument.
00:11:08.000There is only one official story, but there's hundreds of alternatives, which of course can't all be wrong.
00:11:16.000But the thing is, is that There are several formats here of what happens.
00:11:21.000What got me into this, you know, considering what their memory of Barbara Olsen, who I knew, is to hear these facts being asserted, and then you go back and you check on them, and the initial fact turns out to be false.
00:11:31.000Now, I don't know, that might not be true of your arguments, but it's true of an awful lot of the stuff out there, beginning with the idea that, you know, there's a 16-foot hole in the Pentagon, when the engineers measured it at 90 feet, and there's hundreds of eyewitnesses.
00:11:56.000The other thing is that what bothers me most is that people say, well, this is not plausible.
00:12:01.000They then suggest something that's infinitely less plausible.
00:12:04.000That there are thousands of people with no motivation to keep quiet who've all kept silent, including civilian radar operators and airline personnel.
00:12:14.000The airlines lost billions of dollars.
00:12:20.000If you're going to argue from the idea that something is not plausible, I think the alternative needs to stand up to your own yardstick.
00:12:27.000Okay, stop right there, because you said three minutes, and I want to run over what you just said briefly, and then I'll let you continue to spout that stuff.
00:12:35.000Number one, you say people wouldn't keep quiet.
00:12:38.000FBI agent Robert Wright got up on C-SPAN at the National Press Club and held up a letter where he'll be threatened under national security for treason.
00:12:48.000If he tells the public what he knows, he begins crying and breaks down and says, all I can tell you is, the Bush's vacation with the Bin Ladens.
00:12:57.000And then, we get the memorandum from the President, W199I, ordering The FBI and CIA and Defense Intelligence, Able Danger, which we now have even more on, to back off the Bin Laden operations in Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as HU Khan Laboratories in Pakistan developing hydrogen weapons and delivery systems, and it's now all on record.
00:13:20.000And I'm sure with that you'll say it doesn't exist.
00:13:23.000I'm sorry, everything I just said does exist in triplicate mainstream news.
00:13:28.000Also, There were countless other FBI and other government people who were threatened with arrest if they wouldn't shut up.
00:13:34.000When a colonel blew the whistle, they tried to charge him for $67 of unauthorized cell phone calls to his wife.
00:13:41.000This is the type of stuff that's going on.
00:13:43.000They threatened Sybil Edmonds with arrest.
00:13:47.000Also, don't try to say they couldn't keep something this big secret.
00:13:50.000They used drills to smokescreen it, compartmentalize inside these different government agencies, and they kept the Manhattan Project secret with over 100,000 employees for four years, and other facets of it secret.
00:14:06.000Then you say Pentagon, which I've always said is a honeypot by design, and I haven't messed with it, but I've stated on record that clearly what they show on the news is a 16-foot hole, then it collapses, and it is 75 to 95 feet, depending on which thing you talk about.
00:14:20.000Then you talk about how we have all these different stories, but the government has one unified story.
00:14:25.000They've given five different reasons for Building 7 falling.
00:14:29.000They said there were no steel columns in the middle of Tower 1 and 2, and they have the biggest columns you can put in a building that size.
00:14:38.000You've got the entire Commission being called independent, being appointed by George Bush.
00:14:42.000You've got a bunch of the Commission on the Carlisle Group payroll, Zelikow and the rest of them.
00:14:48.000I'm going to stop right there and I'm just going to add that a lot of these people putting out the no planes at the Pentagon thing, I predicted stuff like this would happen.
00:14:55.000This is a classic setup where they put out ridiculous disinfo on purpose, building straw men, a lot of these are operatives, so then you guys can come discredit false stories.
00:15:04.000Go ahead, you've got three more minutes.
00:15:06.000Okay, well of course we kept the Manhattan Project secret because the people working on it knew it was in favor of their country and were patriots.
00:15:14.000No one watching the mass murder on television Remember, the World Trade Center site was owned by the firefighters for weeks.
00:15:23.000They were looking for their buddies near Palo Alto.
00:15:25.000On record, they reported they found the black boxes and ordered to shut up about it.
00:15:28.000Oh, I'm sorry, they found the passports.
00:15:30.000Two of them magically didn't get... Oh, yes.
00:15:33.000The firefighters, many of them, think there were bombs in the buildings and think it's an inside job.
00:15:37.000The head of the biggest victims family group says that he believes it's an inside job now and the majority of his members do.
00:15:44.000Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I cut in on you, I apologize.
00:15:47.000Right, but they didn't, okay look, to demolish the building the way I understand it is argued, you have to have 43,000 demolition devices, 236 steel columns around the outside.
00:16:03.000Um, then you times 80 or 90 floors, because you wouldn't know which floor it is on.
00:16:07.000It would take a few hundred devices in Tower 1, which is larger explosives, and it would take several hundred devices in Building 7 with the classic bottom-down, uh, crimp blow.
00:17:42.000How would they do that without 43,000 separate demolition devices?
00:17:47.000Major companies could have wired each one of those towers in two weeks apiece.
00:17:51.000They had major drills, they had evacuations, they had major floors closed down, they had all sorts of weird people.
00:17:57.000I've talked to the janitorial staff that were in there, just like Oklahoma City that Clinton pulled off when they caught the different guys in there with the, quote, grey sticks of butter drilling the columns.
00:18:08.000They told them they were maintenance people.
00:18:10.000Well, and you would have to drill the columns because you would have to put the explosive directly against the steel.
00:18:16.000But yeah, they did drill in Oklahoma City.
00:18:19.000Jane Graham, the head of HUD, witnessed them doing it.
00:18:22.000Okay, but then you'd need miles of wire.
00:18:23.000No, Bill Clinton didn't do it, he's nice.
00:18:25.000And you'd need miles of wire, and demolition experts have looked at that and said you always have to... No, you don't need miles of wire, you can go off a synchronized radio beacon.
00:18:33.000Okay, but you couldn't synchronize different floors that way, have you ever tried to take a radio inside of a... No, you have different layers on different radio frequencies.
00:18:41.000Have you ever tried to take a radio inside of a big steel building?
00:18:45.000Sure, the government has all sorts of systems, and they use radio a lot on these buildings.
00:18:49.000Okay, but steel doesn't... You're not answering Building 7, sir.
00:19:09.000Building 7 was the classic where you blow out the central column, then you blow out the outside columns, and it falls in on itself perfectly.
00:19:55.000You're going to be with us until 45 after, maybe longer.
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00:24:16.000Professor Jim Fetzer, the founder and the head of 9-11 Scholars for Truth, has called in.
00:24:20.000We've also got Barry Homish listening.
00:24:22.000And I'll try to get him on in the next segment, and maybe I'll just try to keep our guests the entire hour, because people are just going wild to hear this.
00:24:29.000I would just add on the imploding and falling buildings.
00:24:31.000No modern steel building had ever collapsed from fire.
00:24:33.000He claims one that did, but that was a separate, smaller, older construction.
00:24:39.000And, I mean, you know, top scientists, the University of Edinburgh is on record, BBC, saying one's never fallen.
00:24:44.000They just tried to burn a building down over a month period with different experiments.
00:25:48.000But right now, I want to give Professor Fetzer, who you really hit the hardest in here, A chance to ask you some questions.
00:25:56.000Professor Fetzer, go ahead and make your statements.
00:25:59.000Yes, many of the claims this guy made during this internet exchange were actually corrected online.
00:26:04.000He nevertheless went ahead and put them, even knowing better, knowing that they were false or blunders, he nevertheless included them in his article.
00:26:10.000Now, this guy, for example, McCormick Place was a convention center.
00:26:14.000It wasn't a steel structure high rise with welded and redundant features like the Twin Towers.
00:26:19.000So he simply pretends he doesn't know the difference.
00:26:22.000If he doesn't know the difference, he's incompetent.
00:26:24.000If he does know the difference, he's corrupt.
00:26:26.000He's been fanatical, even obsessive, about posting attacks on members of Scholars.
00:26:30.000I did a search, for example, Alex, on recent Mosley posts.
00:26:39.000On the 15th of August, he posted 15 attacks.
00:26:42.000His typical style was to post, then as soon as there was a response, he'd post again immediately.
00:26:46.000His whole style was immature and juvenile.
00:26:50.000If he was advancing serious arguments about our findings, they might have been justified in spite of that, but they committed elementary fallacies.
00:27:22.000About 80% through the tape, there's a question.
00:27:25.000Can our aims be satisfied without violent overthrow of the government?
00:27:32.000Professor Jones responds Echoing the Declaration of Independence, and ends up saying, no.
00:27:38.000It cannot be, it cannot be, they're against... Alex, I hate to say there's been a gross misrepresentation by Mr. Mosley, but I've been in contact with Steve Jones... No, we have Professor Jones, we have Professor Jones comments that he emailed us now up on JonesReport.com.
00:27:55.000This is ridiculous, it's outrageous, and even libelous that he makes these kinds of things up, Steve.
00:28:00.000Okay, well what did he exactly say then, Professor?
00:28:03.000He said there is no peaceful means to achieve our goals.
00:28:27.000You're now just picking from different sources to try to make together some kind of inconsistent theory.
00:28:32.000He's now implying that we're saying that and we're denying that.
00:28:35.000We're telling you, sir, that we've gone and watched the tape and your interpretation of what he said is out of left field.
00:28:41.000Everybody can watch it for themselves.
00:28:43.000They certainly can and discover that you're committing a libelous act.
00:28:46.000Well, I'm a lawyer and I would know better.
00:28:48.000Wait, you want to know better, but you commit such elementary fallacies I don't think you could pass a press conference.
00:28:54.000Where does this come from saying that Fetzer is attacking Jews?
00:28:57.000Because I've never heard, Fetzer's pretty liberal, I haven't ever heard him criticize Jews.
00:29:01.000I didn't say that, I said some of the others are, but I cannot, about 90% of the discussion
00:29:07.000uh... that we've had on the internet and discussion group i cannot wait a minute let me read back in here a professor doesn't have a part of got the three-page article for him in the report here where he does say that if you've got a few of the quote he thought i could have been a jew because he was packing up a little bit that that's correct i think i would like to have a chief and we're going to have a look at the bottom of this because uh... i mean obviously the
00:29:35.000The indication there is, ooh, he wanted to know if I was a Jew.
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00:33:26.000I sent him an email and asked him about his background because he was acting in such an obsessive, compulsive fashion.
00:33:32.000And I truly believe this had to be a child.
00:33:34.000In fact, I would insist that this man, he may be older, but he acts like a child.
00:33:39.000And I suggest that this person, if I had to guess, was about 15 years old, very bright, probably Jewish, possibly a resident of Brooklyn, attending a scientific technological high school.
00:33:50.000Who believes he's superior to everyone else and has an obsession to try to prove it, but I was commenting on his behavior, not the subject of his quote.
00:33:59.000Second of all, here's a couple of examples of the shoddy equality of his argument.
00:34:04.000He says the Twin Towers can't have come down as the result of controlled demolition because they blow out the first and second floors so the building falls down into its own footprint.
00:34:12.000But I pointed out to him online, before he published this article, that was an equivocation He's just talking about the standard kind of controlled demolition, as in the case of Building 7.
00:34:21.000I pointed out then and emphasized, we're talking about a special kind of controlled demolition.
00:34:25.000It's still a controlled demolition, just because it's from the top down.
00:34:28.000It's not the standard kind, that's all.
00:34:30.000But Building 7 was from the bottom down.
00:34:33.000Yeah, Building 7 was a standard controlled demolition, just like we see in Las Vegas.
00:34:36.000A few minutes ago he was saying that wasn't the case.
00:35:19.000But there was no blowing out of the bottom floors.
00:35:22.000The thesis is, Professor Fetzer is a philosophy professor who cannot stay on the topic.
00:35:29.000The thesis being tested is, number one, everyone says, these fell exactly like a controlled demolition, now I'm suspicious.
00:35:36.000You go back and say, no it didn't fall exactly like a controlled demolition.
00:35:40.000Now he's saying it's a special controlled demolition that nobody's ever seen before.
00:35:44.000Okay, but the original thesis was, we're suspicious because it looks like a controlled demolition when it doesn't.
00:35:49.000Well, but that's stupid because... Mr. Moseley, let me say something.
00:35:53.000Sir, we say that because the firefighters reported bombs and explosions, and they reported squibs, and on all the videos, 7, 1, and 2, you see the blast points, sir.
00:37:40.000I mean, you don't have to... That's like saying if you have a theory of the speed of light, and just because ten people are wrong about their theory, including the government's story, one of them is right.
00:37:51.000So, yeah, to say, because there's an argument, every form of science and research and, you know, detectives at a cop shop, they're going to be disagreeing, but somebody's going to be right.
00:38:01.000You know, I pointed out to Professor Fetzer online that They claim to have evidence proving all of these different inconsistent theories.
00:38:10.000And if there is evidence proving all of them... That's interpretive!
00:38:27.000This guy could not get through a critical thinking class that I teach to our freshmen.
00:38:32.000Well, I hope you take that course, because you can't stay on one topic.
00:38:35.000Well, sir, can you specifically, going back to Jones, can you specifically tell us where, well, number one, you are saying here that he agreed with the overthrow of the government, and I've watched those tapes over and over again.
00:38:59.000He then echoed the Declaration of Independence preamble, which is a call for revolution, by deliberately echoing the language and format which is an argument for revolution, and then ended up saying, there is no peaceful way to achieve our means.
00:39:14.000This is completely false and misleading.
00:39:16.000He said we have to follow the Constitution.
00:39:17.000Well, we're going to get the exact clip and we're going to post it.
00:39:20.000We're doing a big story on this because You know, this goes into the psychology of people like Mr. Mosley.
00:39:28.000But again, I can't help but appreciate him.
00:39:30.000Jim, at least he will come on and debate us and go head-to-head with us.
00:40:50.000It was the premier exhibition hall in America.
00:40:53.000And under ordinary fire, in 30 minutes, the steel failed.
00:40:56.000Now the issue is not... You're talking about a lightly built convention center that has an umbrella roof and is not a heavy supportive structure.
00:41:05.000Those things are outward husk and then have a light topping cheap construction.
00:41:55.000In fact, there was a fire in 1975 in the North Tower on the 13th of February that burned much hotter and much longer.
00:42:04.000The firefighters reported that in both towers the fires were almost out and to call up more ladders to save the people and there were people standing in the holes right for minutes waiting for help without burning or without being singed Begging for helicopter rescue that never came, inches away from pillars, that seconds later, as they talked on cell phones, blew up.
00:42:29.000Now go ahead, we gotta give him some time, go ahead and finish up what you were saying, Jonathan.
00:42:34.000The same underwriters lab, in their study of World Trade Center, cited McCormick Place and other, a dozen other steel structures that have partially or completely failed.
00:42:42.000Or the proposition in Underwriters Lab's view that structural steel does melt.
00:42:46.000No, they told the engineers that did the study to shut up and lie and they wouldn't do it so they got fired.
00:42:51.000No, the Underwriters Lab, because Mr. Fetzer... Jim, Jim!
00:42:55.000Professor Fetzer is again changing the subject.
00:43:15.000It cannot have suffered from a pancake kind of collapse.
00:43:19.000I got a structural engineer on this website to correct him on McCormick Place and on the capacity of the Twin Towers to subject to pancake collapse.
00:43:28.000When this guy is corrected, he just goes ahead and repeats his own phony arguments, whether they commit equivocation or logical blunders or no matter what.
00:43:36.000He has the mind of a 15-year-old and he's obsessed to prove himself correct, no matter how wrong he may be.
00:43:42.000That's because Professor Fetz comes back with DREC.
00:43:45.000He talks about melting steel instead of structural collapse.
00:43:48.000Hotel Windsor... Sir, listen, the University of Edinburgh, with their top engineers, for a month, every day, tried to burn down a 24-story steel building, similar construction.
00:43:59.000They couldn't get anything to even weaken.
00:44:02.000All they could get was sheetrock to cave in.
00:44:23.000Listen, it's been well known that buildings are safe.
00:44:26.000Listen, listen, listen, Edinburgh's doing these tests because they say this changes insurance everything.
00:44:31.000If buildings will suddenly collapse from kerosene, coal-burning fuel, black, burning, you know, smoke, low-oxygen flames, and you can run through this stuff, if this is the case, then the laws of physics have been suspended.
00:44:45.000Did they hit it with 104 tons of aircraft traveling 540 miles per hour?
00:45:01.000I've pointed out repeatedly that Frank D. Martini, who was the construction manager on the World Trade Center, had observed that they were designed to withstand the impact of the largest then commercial airliner, Boeing 707.
00:45:50.000Yes, and do you understand the bomb effect of 30,000 kilograms of jet fuel going off in the middle, in the center of the building as a gigantic bomb?
00:45:59.000Most of that fuel burned off in the giant fireball.
00:46:02.000They've done analysis, sir, of the pounds per square inch pressure generated by that fuel detonating, and it is thousands of times too weak to even blow out the smallest columns.
00:47:38.000Uh, he lives in Netanya, and now he, um, he's suggesting that we design the building to take any sort of a plane, and he doesn't believe the planes brought it down.
00:49:21.000We have a guy named Seymour Hersh claiming that the CFR, the so-called neocons, approved the war and that Israel took the air for two and a half weeks with no ground troops to see what it would be like to bomb Iraq.
00:49:39.000And we're getting all terrible, terrible lost of young Israeli writers.
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00:54:39.000Professor Fetzer, just in closing here, anything else you'd like to say about 9/11? - Well, I think that Mosley's last point well illustrates his incapacity to come to grips with the facts in this matter.
00:54:52.000He said that the plane that actually hit the building was very different than the 707s that they were designed to accommodate And in fact, precisely the opposite is the case.
00:55:03.000The physical properties, the mass, and even the fuel capacity of these planes are very comparable.
00:55:09.000And I found at least three other engineers who agreed with Frank DiMartini that the buildings were constructed to withstand the impact of those airliners.
00:55:17.000His point here is either deliberately deceiving us or he's utterly incompetent because he has no familiarity with the facts of the case.
00:56:09.000We all have rights to have our news and study.
00:56:12.000But you keep implying by saying he's a philosophy professor that we don't have a bunch of scientists trained in engineering and physics that have come to the same conclusion.
00:56:23.000He appears not even to know that my PhD is in the history of science and the philosophy of science.
00:56:28.000The history of science is dominated by physics.
00:56:30.000He doesn't understand I've published 27 books on technical subjects.
00:56:33.000and have taught critical thinking, logic, and scientific reasoning for 35 years.
00:56:38.000I can spot blunders when they occur, and you commit them all the time.
00:56:42.000I've explained them to you, and you went ahead and published them anyway.
00:56:45.000That's completely irresponsible, and the product is intellectual rubbish.
00:56:49.000This is what Kevin Ryan said, and we'll get to the bottom of it.
00:56:53.000He's emailed WorldNetDaily, and instead of the numerous false statements made in the article by John Mosley that you recently published, at least one should result in legal action.
00:57:04.000Anyone who actually listened to the C-SPAN broadcast and 9-11 Scholars Group can clearly hear that Mosley's quote of Stephen Jones is inaccurate to say the least.
00:57:13.000Dr. Jones did not say that there is no peaceful way to achieve the group's goals, and Dr. Jones has not promoted violence in any of his presentations.
00:57:22.000A correction of this libelous error might be wise choice.
00:57:25.000Thanks, Kevin Ryan, UL Laboratories former underwriter engineer.
00:57:30.000You want to comment to his email he's put out?
00:57:31.000Millions of people thought I think this guy ought to be reported to the Board of Ethics that in his domain, this is completely unethical and corrupt behavior.
00:57:42.000Well, Mr. Professor Fetzer repeatedly says that the weight of one floor is not enough to bring down subsequent floors.
00:57:47.000No, in full note, well, the twenty-nine floors, the thirty-five... Mostly you're jumping around.
00:57:52.000We're talking about Steve Jones and your libel of him.
00:59:04.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:59:08.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:59:16.000Clifford Carnicom will join us for an hour plus to talk about chemtrails, aerial spraying, What's really going on, the latest developments there, and going back over his six, seven years of research on this.
00:59:29.000Right now, let's go back to the calls, Tim, Williamson, or Wilson, and others.
00:59:33.000Tim in West Virginia, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
00:59:36.000Hello Alex, this is Tim, I'm back in West Virginia there.
00:59:41.000What I wanted to call you about, I received a call from a survey, a presidential survey.
01:01:21.000I think he deserves a jury by his peers, needs to be brought to trial for treason, and then the sentence needs to be carried out.
01:01:28.000Let's talk to, and I would just advise our listeners never to really talk like that, Because you can get in a lot of trouble for saying that.
01:01:35.000And I'm not condescending against the caller.
01:01:49.000My comment is to Christians, and this is as a Christian, to those who support Israel no matter what Israel does.
01:01:55.000Evil is evil, and no one has the right to do it.
01:01:57.000Tribulation and anguish comes upon every man that does evil, to the Jew first and also the Gentile.
01:02:02.000Glory and honor and peace to every man that works good, to the Jew first and also to the Gentiles and Romans, if anyone wants to check it out.
01:02:09.000Nobody has a right to do evil, just because you're called Israel, whatever.
01:02:28.000I don't know if that's accurate or if that's real or what's going on.
01:02:32.000Properly research it, and that's basically where I'll leave it.
01:02:36.000There's a lot of stuff on the web that, you know, you can't confirm one way or the other, so I just move away from it.
01:02:42.000For those that just joined us, Israel admits they're targeting civilian convoys that they told to flee, and the convoys in southern Lebanon, out of five major towns and villages, run up against the bridges that have been bombed out, and then here come the helicopters and jets firing Hellfire missiles and dropping 500-pound bombs and strafing them.
01:03:02.000And there are photos and video, and it's all over the foreign press of dead families splattered all over the road, but you're not really seeing that.
01:03:09.000You're seeing a censored version, a watered-down version on our news.
01:03:13.000So, in part of the third hour today, I'll get more into that.
01:03:18.000I mentioned a bunch of news in the last hour I was going to get into, and I haven't yet.
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01:06:59.000Before we get into this next subject of the government and private agencies, groups, organizations, black ops, black world, corporations, syndicates, carrying out aerial spraying against the American syndicates, carrying out aerial spraying against the American people, I want to just set the table here.
01:07:20.000And And I hope to keep Clifford Carnicom at least halfway into the next hour if we have plenty of time to take your calls.
01:07:28.000I remember long before we had even heard of chemtrails instead of contrails, compensation trails, reading in declassified government documents in 77 that there had been over 3,000 declassified instances of aerial spraying of chemical, biological, and radiological materials, and then a whole other section of particulates that didn't fit into those four, Being sprayed on the American people.
01:07:56.000And I like to go back to really famous cases of the few that have been actually heard of.
01:08:01.000Aircraft and Navy ships sprayed biological agents that did cause deaths.
01:08:28.000Army doctors were at nearby hospitals, quote, in residency in the months before so that they could chronicle for themselves what the effects were.
01:08:38.000They have never told us what the biological agent was, only that it was a bacterium.
01:08:48.000I've interviewed a bunch of sailors and Air Force officers and I've interviewed British soldiers and whistleblowers and it's been in the BBC and AP and it's been everywhere that from the 1940s until 1985 Project Shad from Hawaii to Germany would have troops stand out in a field say in Wales and jets would fly over at 500 feet and spray a chemical weapon on them and troops would die on the spot and troops would die a week later and troops would die five years later and some are still alive.
01:09:16.000Or they'd tell a young officer, you get an extra three-day leave if you sign in for a flu test.
01:09:23.000We're going to spray you with flu and see, you know, it's for the country.
01:09:25.000Then the guy signs in and they walk him in the chamber, hit him with VX nerve gas.
01:09:50.000It's in the Oklahoma Papers that 5,000 pounds of Subtilis Globoge, a bacteria that can cause spontaneous abortions in all mammal mammalian species, and is listed by the federal government and the Army as dangerous, Was sprayed on every town and city over a one year period.
01:10:18.000You'd read in the Daily Oklahoman, 5,000 pounds of Subtilis Globoge will be sprayed in hundreds of different operations by small fixed-wing aircraft over the next year by the Department of Homeland Security in a test of the wind patterns of a biological release.
01:11:13.000Bayer, for over 10 years, knowingly knew their factor rate, every dose had AIDS in it and Hepatitis C, and that everyone was going to get it who took it.
01:11:22.000And their own documents are now public, MSNBC.
01:11:26.000It's all public, that they knowingly said, so what, let them die.
01:11:30.000So I don't want to hear that the government wouldn't spray us with something, because I cannot even chronicle how many instances there are.
01:11:37.000Now, let me add this, and we're going to flip our cardicom.
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01:12:09.000But before I go any further, there are nuts everywhere who point at every condensation trail and discredit all of us.
01:12:15.000And say, that's a chemical trail, that's a chemical... No, no.
01:12:18.000If they're spraying at 30,000 feet, all the evidence shows they're either hitting somebody 5-10,000 miles away where the jet stream comes down to ground...
01:12:27.000Or, they are engaging in atmospheric manipulations, which we have documents on.
01:12:36.000As usual, it's a cocktail of different operations.
01:12:39.000But, we had reports before people ever heard of contrails in 1998-97, and I have people, I know people We have all seen this type of stuff go on.
01:13:22.000Before anybody even had talked about it, I said, why do trails, and I never knew the answer, that used to disappear in a few seconds to a minute, why are they there four hours later?
01:13:52.000Clifford Carnicom, who has been actively involved in bringing attention to the chemtrail phenomenon, has been a self-employed professional computer consultant for the past three years and now resides in Santa Fe, New Mexico with his wife Carol.
01:14:03.000He is previously a research scientist and federal employee for 15 years with three different agencies, including the United States Department of Defense, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S.
01:14:31.000And I also thank you for establishing that precedent, as you did in that opening segment, which is very, very true.
01:14:39.000And, you know, you referred to 1977, and I have a document that was given to me shortly after I started this research that is very clear documentation of the long history and litany of open air testing.
01:14:54.000This particular document concerns congressional hearings that were held in 1977 that basically raise a question.
01:15:21.000Code Title 50, Chapter 32, Subsection 1520A, Paragraph B says they're allowed to use lethal chemical, biological, or radiological agents on the American people for research.
01:15:34.000And, you know, this is 30 years later, but the opening line of these hearings is just amazing to me, because it's basically unfortunate, but it appears that after 30 years there's been really no progress made.
01:15:46.000I'd like to read just one sentence, if I can, in the opening line to these hearings.
01:15:50.000It says, Recent revelations of similar open air testing in civilian areas have alarmed many people.
01:15:56.000Their concern extends beyond the safety or hazards presented by the test organisms.
01:16:00.000However, it goes to the heart of what a free society is all about.
01:16:04.000Should a democratic people cede to its government the full responsibility of determining when secret tests on unwitting subjects are necessary to protect the nation's security?
01:16:15.000That was Kennedy, back when Kennedy actually did some work in 1977.
01:16:20.000And I really give him credit because he raised the fundamental issue, which is really the very same issue now.
01:16:29.000What threshold is there to the claim or guise of national security as a domain that is untouchable, no matter what the circumstances are?
01:16:42.000And this is the world that we're in now.
01:16:44.000National security is used as a defense, a hidden defense, As to any and all of these operations that the public has an obvious right to know, but are put under the cloak of supposedly protecting us.
01:16:57.000And Kennedy nailed it 30 years ago in that statement.
01:17:01.000Well, it's a blank check for total tyranny.
01:17:10.000I mean, it's a perfect pretext for dictatorship.
01:17:13.000It is, and I thank you for establishing precedent, because that's a good ground plane to start on, is for people to realize, you know, this is not something that needs to be imagined or constructed.
01:17:24.000This is very real, has a long history.
01:17:26.000What is different about this operation that I became involved in researching at the beginning of 1999... Is that it's so huge?
01:17:34.000...is the scale and magnitude of the operation, and also the arrogance, the scale and the arrogance of the operation.
01:17:40.000And that is, we are now in a state of affairs where we have Open air testing on a global scale.
01:17:46.000Direct lying about it from top officials.
01:17:50.000United States Air Force lied early in the game.
01:18:30.000I don't even know where to start, Clifford Carnicom.
01:18:34.000Let's go through how you woke up and the different projects that are rolled in.
01:18:39.000You mentioned the main focus of it, and I've done some of the similar research and looked at your research.
01:18:45.000It does appear to be mainly an atmosphere alteration, but then there's some other operations going on too.
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01:23:35.000They're also poisoning you through those.
01:23:37.000See, if they're admitted to have done all this horrible stuff in the past, how do you then now trust them to take your vaccines?
01:23:43.000If one of the biggest pharmacological companies in the world, Bayer, would knowingly put AIDS virus in your drugs, knowingly, knowingly, and hepatitis C, knowingly, knowing it was in there, And still selling it, then what would the government and these other groups do?
01:23:59.000So I don't want to hear it's too dastardly, too big.
01:24:01.000Clifford Carnicom, how did you wake up to this, and then get into the atmosphere manipulation, and then shift into the biological effects of that, and then the biological effects of the other spring we know is going on?
01:24:12.000My work started at the very beginning of 1999, Alex, in February, and we go outside quite a bit.
01:24:20.000My wife and I go camping quite a bit, and I have a background that's outdoors quite a bit.
01:24:24.000And I live in Santa Fe, New Mexico, which is a high desert region.
01:24:28.000Certainly one of the classic regions for high desert, blue skies, just beautiful vistas.
01:24:34.000Many artists live here because of that.
01:24:37.000And so it's actually an ideal laboratory for a person who wants to be in a certain place to examine this issue.
01:24:43.000And February 14th, it was Valentine's Day, was the day that I actually started to work.
01:24:50.000And it had been preceded by several weeks of noticing a pattern That we would head out on our trips for the morning of the weekend.
01:24:58.000It would look absolutely beautiful when we would wake up.
01:25:00.000Very typical weather conditions for the high desert southwest.
01:25:03.000And then we'd have breakfast and about an hour and a half later we'd go out.
01:25:06.000And the weather had completely changed.
01:25:09.000And that was acting really at a subconscious level for two to three weeks.
01:25:12.000And then on that February 14th, I was out the door.
01:25:16.000At the time it was still perfectly blue and this aircraft went directly overhead.
01:25:21.000And what was different this time is I just watched.
01:25:23.000I'm sure it was being triggered at a subconscious level, but this time I just stood and I just watched.
01:25:29.000And I watched the transition take place for the first time.
01:25:32.000And the amazing thing is that a major transition can actually take place at about a half hour of time if the operation is large enough.
01:25:40.000So you can completely transform the atmosphere in a regional area in a fairly short period of time.
01:25:45.000You can watch a clear sky be totally filled with these trails that just stay there.
01:26:24.000At the very least, you would call this a question of pollution.
01:26:28.000And the website started, and at that point, it was fairly clear, very soon, that there was an interest in my work by military, industrial, chemical, pharmaceutical, medical, chemical complex.
01:26:45.000Very shortly after, you would find out.
01:26:47.000I was just an individual, really, a pretty low-key person.
01:26:50.000I was a quiet and conservative federal employee.
01:27:40.000For me, I mean, for me, about 97, 98, I began to notice the trails that disappeared within a minute maximum would be there four or five hours later.
01:27:48.000Clear skies would be turned into these trails that just expanded and merged.
01:27:54.000And then NASA comes out and says, suddenly the Earth is 20% darker.
01:27:57.000Just on the weather control angle of this, what's going on?
01:28:01.000Well, I did want to mention, as you said, there's a lot of things to this, and it's very true.
01:28:07.000And people do have a tendency to, I would say, either simplify it or avoid it, because it's too complex.
01:28:15.000And it is a complex issue, and over a period of six, seven years, I have evolved to where there's about seven areas that I think are involved in this subject.
01:28:24.000Well, let's run through the gamut, run the gauntlet, with you on the other side, Clifford Carnicom.
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01:32:04.000Bottom line, we know that condensation trails, growing up my entire life, my father's wife, I've talked to grandparents when jet travel first began, trails always disappear within a minute.
01:32:18.000My entire life, and then suddenly the late 90's, they began to just hang there, expand, grow, So, is the government blocking out the evil radiation from the sun?
01:32:29.000Or are they engaging in mass inoculations?
01:32:32.000You know, all these things have been said.
01:33:25.000The first would be, and I would say that all of these, I would call them areas of operation that are consistent with all of the data that has been collected over seven years.
01:33:35.000They do not exist individually, they exist simultaneously.
01:33:41.000First one would be environmental modification and control, actually modifying our world in terms of its environment and weather.
01:33:48.000This would be the simplest and the easiest probably to understand and demonstrate.
01:33:52.000The second would be the conduct of biological operations, using particulates as a transport medium for biological materials.
01:34:04.000The third would be the application and use of electromagnetic operations, the transmission and propagation and manipulation of energy, electromagnetic energy, within a modified atmospheric environment.
01:34:21.000Let's see, the easiest analogy there would be the ionosphere.
01:34:25.000Think of the conditions of the ionosphere at altitude, which... Some type of conductivity for HAARP or something?
01:35:09.000And that is a geophysical modification.
01:35:13.000Actually, the consideration of whether the planet itself, I'm not talking about just the atmosphere, But the geophysics of the earth, you would be talking about rotation, rotation of the earth, geophysical processes, tectonic, these types of things.
01:35:29.000And that may sound a little bit stretched for some folks, but the data actually suggests that such things could indeed be feasible to do.
01:35:38.000The last two are additions over the last year, which have not been written up.
01:35:49.000The idea there being, you know, most of us are familiar with radar, and radar is when you send a radio wave out and it bounces off of something, comes back, and tells you something's there.
01:36:00.000Well, what's interesting is radar works because the objects that you're detecting are of a certain size.
01:36:06.000It has to do with the wavelength of what you're sending out.
01:36:08.000It has to match what it is you're looking for.
01:36:10.000So, radio works with radar for airplanes and big objects.
01:36:14.000But there is an alternative method of detection that involves light waves.
01:36:21.000And the wavelength of light waves is extremely small, very small.
01:36:26.000And in fact, it's at the same size as the particles that we're speaking of that compose these operations that are being introduced.
01:36:35.000So it's quite feasible that you actually could develop a surveillance system That would, instead of being able to track large objects, such as planes and boats and this type of thing, could track literally down to the microscopic level.
01:36:51.000Well that, I mean in the public admissions about HAARP, they say that it was designed to see tiny objects over the horizon.
01:37:02.000The HAARP patent is just, it's just for, I've spent some time with that patent.
01:37:06.000And I didn't really know a lot about it when I started, but I sort of dug into that on a technical side, and I'll tell you, the overlap is just tremendous.
01:37:15.000Now that's all the science on the end of it.
01:37:18.000Studying this, looking at it, just speaking on your opinion, what do you think they're doing?
01:37:26.000Number one, what is this doing to the atmosphere?
01:37:28.000What changes have we seen that can then point us towards what their goals may be?
01:37:37.000The actual materials that are being identified over and over and over are what you would call ionizing salts.
01:37:45.000It's a very specific category of physics, and yet extremely important.
01:37:50.000The best explanation for what can physically transform the atmosphere in the way that they have is through the introduction of ionizable metallic salts.
01:38:14.000Well, I would suspect, you know, if we looked into the cloud seeding, and I could be mistaken, but I suspect the particles that we're dealing with would be a magnitude.
01:38:22.000Those are crystals we're talking about, you know, in a conventional sense.
01:38:25.000The size of these is so incredibly small.
01:38:27.000A sub-micron of human hair is 60 to 100 microns.
01:38:31.000Bacteria are on the order of 10 microns.
01:38:33.000What I'm speaking of is on the order of a submicron most likely.
01:38:38.000So the size of what you're talking about is truly a unique, let's say represents a truly unique opportunity for physical change in terms of how clouds form and this type of thing.
01:39:02.000Barium is of tremendous concern here because it is a highly toxic element in soluble form.
01:39:09.000It's quite on par with arsenic in terms of its toxicity in soluble form.
01:39:15.000And what I'm speaking of would be in soluble form because you're talking about clouds and moisture.
01:39:20.000These particular elements, calcium, barium, and magnesium, with special emphasis upon calcium and barium.
01:39:30.000These materials have a really unique property in that if you subject them to the energy that is available in sunlight, both visible light and ultraviolet light, particularly the ultraviolet light portion of the spectrum, basically the energy within sunlight is sufficient to cause these materials to become electrically charged.
01:39:51.000An ion is an electrically charged material.
01:39:54.000If you can ionize a material and throw electrons into a gas, namely the air.
01:40:02.000Now we're talking about a very open door in terms of the physics of what you have created.
01:40:08.000There is a word called plasma, and many of us are familiar with a neon light tube, this type of thing.
01:40:14.000A neon light tube is filled with gas, and yet what happens?
01:40:18.000You send energy from point A to point B, you create light.
01:40:23.000That same idea is what I'm talking about here.
01:40:25.000It is quite conceivable and appears to be the end goal, certainly what Harp explicitly describes, is that if you can increase the electron density in the atmosphere, you can create what is called a plasma.
01:40:40.000And a plasma is an electrically conductive gas.
01:40:44.000If you create an electrically conductive gas, In my mind, it's literally an open door towards the transmission and control and manipulation of energy in that environment.
01:40:59.000We're talking about electromagnetic energy, ELF energy.
01:41:03.000The wavelength that our bodies work upon is 0 to 100 Hertz, ELF energy.
01:41:10.000Over and over and over, I have detected the presence of It appears clearly artificial.
01:41:14.000There's no explanation I can come for it in a natural sense at all.
01:41:25.000These are the waves that our bodies work at, our brains work at, our minds work at.
01:41:32.000So everything to me says that a grand design behind this project is to, and has been, to create a altered atmosphere that is now usable for the transmission, let's say enhanced transmission and propagation of electromagnetic energy,
01:41:58.000a component of which includes ELF energy. a component of which includes ELF energy.
01:42:02.000ELF energy can be used to store, if you pump it like a Tesla would deal with its resonance If you pulse ELF energy, you can store tremendous amounts of energy at the level of a geophysical weapon.
01:42:18.000There's something called a heave weapon.
01:42:19.000If you read that Hart Report, there's something called a heave weapon.
01:42:22.000A heave weapon is where you actually lift up the magnetic field of the Earth, and it is equivalent in energy as well as apparently effect.
01:42:31.000To the types of things you would see with an atomic bomb, with the advantage that you don't actually detonate anything.
01:42:50.000And going back to tectonic weapons that you mentioned earlier, we have Secretary of Defense Cohen.
01:42:57.000Back in 97, giving a speech about tectonic earthquake type, volcanic type weapons.
01:43:06.000And then expanding on that, to just show the craziness of people running things.
01:43:10.000They've used tens of thousands of tons of depleted uranium.
01:43:16.000All over the world, knowing that the radiation detectors are picking up higher levels and that the particulates are very bad for all of us.
01:45:06.000You're dealing with observations that have to be taken by citizens on the ground, because there is no forthcoming information on this whatsoever.
01:45:14.000Now, that being said, I will say this.
01:45:18.000There are many individuals that have stated that these planes are a certain type of plane, say a military tank or this type of thing.
01:45:25.000There are people that have said commercial aircraft, it's a joke to think that they are even remotely involved in this.
01:45:33.000What I do is I just collect the data and if you look at my early work, the early work for the first year or two was nothing more than collecting photographs, almost entirely.
01:45:45.000And I would post these images, the best that I could get with telescopic images, telephoto images, and post them, and ask the question, what type of plane is this?
01:45:57.000And all I will say, if you look at the photographs that I have taken, some of them which are truly remarkable, in that they clearly show emissions from the entire wingspan.
01:46:07.000I have five of these, very good examples.
01:46:10.000They show emissions across the entire wingspan, a continuous stream.
01:46:14.000It doesn't come from the engines in that case.
01:46:46.000And I will clearly say that the evidence actually strongly, more than strongly, implicates the involvement and collusion and incorporation of the commercial airline industry within this operation.
01:47:04.000I have seen one jet flying at the same altitude, just a few miles away, here in Austin, not leaving trails that stay there for an hour or two, or leaving no trail at all, and right next to it a jet leaving a trail that's there three hours later.
01:47:23.000Yeah, you know, the classic arguments against these, and I'm familiar with most of them, but, you know, people will say, oh, you know, the planes are operating two different altitudes and the atmospheric conditions are different.
01:47:35.000Anybody that digs into this seriously will see that, you know, the conditions that you're describing there are not at variance enough to describe the tremendous difference in what Alex is speaking of right now.
01:47:47.000I mean, in the late 90s, Contrails went from lasting 30 seconds on average, maybe a minute and a half, to being there for hours.
01:47:55.000Now I want to know, I mean, could this be some type of resonant energy in the atmosphere that just makes normal condensation trails behave differently?
01:48:06.000Now what happens, to the best of my knowledge, Alex, is this.
01:48:10.000in terms of the physics of what's going on.
01:48:12.000When you ask, you ask the question, how could you have a, I can't call them clouds, because they're not really clouds anymore, but let's use that term for right now.
01:48:21.000Let's say you have a bank, a bank or layer at 35,000 to 40,000 feet.
01:48:25.000The region that was traditionally home to thin, high cirrus clouds, wispy clouds, and they would subsequently develop into fuller cloud forms that would descend to lower altitudes.
01:48:38.000But the high altitudes, 35,000 feet, were reserved primarily for thin, wispy clouds and not a whole lot more.
01:48:44.000You have to ask the question, how at 35,000 to 40,000 feet could you have a continuous thick layer start to develop?
01:48:52.000And it is with the introduction of the salt, a certain type of salt, not just any salt.
01:48:57.000But if you introduced a salt that can absorb moisture when the humidity is roughly 30-35%, which there are certain salts that do that, the type that I'm speaking of, now you change things because now you're able to collect and absorb moisture on extremely small particles.
01:49:16.000And let's talk about clouds for a second, because let's talk about a difference between two things.
01:49:21.000Contrails, if you look at what a contrail is, contrails form, it's, you know, what happens when you breathe on a cold winter day, right?
01:49:30.000Stay there, we'll have to talk about it when we get back.
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01:55:02.000Clifford, we don't have a lot of time left.
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01:55:08.000Not only is there the harp effects of weapons or manipulation or conductivity of so many different things, anti-personnel on multiple levels, but it seems to be associated with weather modification.
01:55:24.000When big storms are coming in for sure, you see these jets coming in even lower.
01:55:28.000I mean, I've seen trails getting laid down at 10, 15, 5000 feet.
01:55:32.000Which I never saw before in the past, in front of the storms, knocking them out, stopping them.
01:55:37.000A lot of researchers have pointed that out.
01:55:38.000So can you comment on some of the other aspects of this?
01:55:42.000I'd say that's absolutely true, what you're saying there.
01:55:44.000Did you want me to elaborate on that part or go on to the other areas?
01:55:47.000Any area you think is important, I'm willing to elaborate.
01:55:50.000First would be to corroborate and confirm what it is you're saying there.
01:55:53.000There clearly is a very definite association with weather fronts in terms of these operations.
01:56:30.000Storm systems are being affected and manipulated.
01:56:35.000And, you know, it's a real curious thing, but if you actually look into the explanations, they don't make any sense at all in terms of what's offered here.
01:56:41.000They'll say that these things are being conducted during times of high humidity.
01:56:46.000I've looked at the humidity here, and I've looked at it up high, with all the balloons.
01:56:50.000I've looked at it all the way up to 50,000, even 100,000, whatever those balloons go, 65,000 feet.
01:56:55.000We do not have high humidity up there, and the lies that are being put forth about supposedly this is happening in a high humidity environment, it doesn't hold water at all.
01:57:06.000And as a matter of fact, talking about association with storms, I did quite a bit of work to actually try and determine what is the pattern?
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01:58:24.000Clifford Carnicom, Ben Livingston flew into hurricanes, he flew into the even bigger storms they have in the Pacific, the typhoons.
01:58:39.000He, uh, Stanford Research Facility certified his work for the Navy.
01:58:43.000He was the head of their big weapons research facility that they were able to kill and knock down hurricanes in the late 60s.
01:58:50.000But then our government says, oh, they know nothing about it and there's nothing they can do about hurricanes.
01:58:56.000If they can knock down hurricanes, We also know that they can empower and increase the power of hurricanes.
01:59:02.000Livingston over Vietnam, with just a few planes, would take tiny clouds and cause ten feet of rain to fall, flooding people on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
01:59:11.000So we know they can manipulate the weather, even with seeding technologies.
01:59:15.000You add into this other technologies, it's powerful.
01:59:19.000What do they appear to be doing with these chemical sprays with the weather?
01:59:27.000Well, I think from a military perspective, certainly if one has the ability to control or manipulate the weather, that's a huge military advantage.
01:59:44.000You said that you were shocked when you did some observations of when the planes came in.
01:59:48.000Well, I think this would come to a surprise to many people, but if you actually look at the data, if you find a paper I wrote called Ions and Humidity, The big surprise to me here is that the timing of these operations actually occurs, appears to occur most likely, when the humidity is at, and I have to use the word, a local minimum.
02:00:05.000What this means is low relative to before and after.
02:00:09.000It doesn't mean in absolute sense low.
02:00:11.000It means relative to what's happening before and to what's to transpire afterwards.
02:00:16.000If you find these points, what you call a local minimum of humidity, this appears to be the most likely time that these operations are coming in.
02:00:24.000That actually makes sense if you look at what's going on with what you're talking about.
02:00:28.000That is the most advantageous time to come in.
02:00:32.000It's right before the storm, not during the storm, but right before it comes in.
02:00:37.000And I'm talking, my work will show a period of several hours, basically a window of two to three hours.
02:00:42.000You can see that it is timed to get in there right at this absolute maximum advantage point of getting these particles in before the moisture comes in.
02:00:53.000And I believe that would be so you would have maximum absorption basically.
02:00:57.000In your six, seven years studying this, is it getting more frequent?
02:01:02.000Are the operations intensifying globally, nationally?
02:01:08.000I would say the operation is full in effect.
02:01:15.000And whether you want to call it a maintenance or a status quo, it would appear to me that we have a certain concentration level.
02:01:23.000That needs to be maintained at this point.
02:01:26.000Certainly, and there also appears to be something seasonal that goes on.
02:01:30.000The BBC, and I know you saw it, had a big photograph from space of England completely covered with what it called condensation trails, and then in the article it went on to say that NASA says the Earth is 20% darker, and then just put that there, didn't make any connection to condensation trails, just had that in the space photograph.
02:01:49.000Absolutely, and one of the tests that I did was that straightforward.
02:01:52.000I made what's called a photometer, a calibrated photometer, and it's a simple, straightforward test, but you had a perfectly blue, clear sky.
02:02:00.000They came in with an, you know, and you have a certain light level.
02:02:03.000The planes came in, and in an hour to two hours, had completely transformed the sky.
02:02:09.000I conducted these tests, and there was a 20 cent per reduction.
02:02:13.000I mean, it's a straight physical thing.
02:02:15.000You are affecting the energy and light that's affecting the Earth.
02:02:18.000But you did see the NASA report that the Earth is now 20% darker than it was 30 years ago.
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02:06:06.000I will repeat, the government has declassified the fact that they, over 3,000 times from the 40s to the 70s, spread chemical, biological, and radiological weapons and other mixes on the American people.
02:06:22.000AIDS virus, Hepatitis C, knowingly on purpose in the drugs, hundreds and hundreds of other examples I don't have time to get into.
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02:06:34.000So you've got these Malthusian, Dr. Pionkian, remember the UT scientist who gets the 95% standing ovation saying he wants to kill everybody, Dr. Peter Singer, Prince Philip, Ted Turner, Prince Charles, the Club of Rome, these are Henry Kissinger documents, CIA, all public.
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02:07:42.000I live in the Pacific Northwest, and especially this last year, I've been watching very closely.
02:07:46.000What we're seeing here is off the coast, at low level, we're seeing multiple laydowns just in front of the marine layer when it comes on shore in the afternoon and evening.
02:07:59.000Always in front of wet weather storms, and just this last year was happening in front of every storm that we had, and we had 150% of rainfall this year.
02:09:40.000Could the globalists be trying to create all sorts of climate shifts and huge disasters as a way to scare us into accepting this new global tax they're proposing through the global warming hysteria they're pushing?
02:09:54.000Well, what I can say is they are happening.
02:09:56.000It's hard for me to determine intent, but what I can say is what's happening.
02:10:01.000You know, for a long time, you still find people, they're out there saying, this stuff is protecting the earth, and this is cooling the earth, and this is counteracting global warming.
02:10:51.000Yeah, you know, it's a combination of both of these things.
02:10:53.000Both as well as covering it out, as well as manipulating how it is released to the public.
02:10:58.000You know, we're now at the point where you have a bill, and apparently this thing is just, you know, in position.
02:11:03.000Yeah, the Weather Control Board, yeah.
02:11:05.000Yeah, you have a bill on board to basically legalize that which is already being done upon us, which is the way this situation commonly works.
02:11:13.000My senator, Kay Bailey, is pushing it.
02:11:27.000Yeah, I live in central Indiana, and they seem to do all their spraying at night, because when I get up to that daybreak, I see them all in the air.
02:11:35.000I mean, like, Wow, Grand Central Station in the sky, you see streams everywhere.
02:11:40.000And it wasn't there seven, eight years ago, was it, George?
02:11:43.000Oh no, I'm 57, and I do know, I don't know if it's just in my imagination, but it seems like the sun is a whole lot brighter than it was when I was a kid.
02:11:53.000Well, that could be a lensing effect because of the atmospheric differential.
02:11:56.000That's why the sun looks bigger on the horizon, because you're looking through the atmosphere at its thickest point over hundreds of miles, not just through the 20 miles straight up.
02:12:17.000Well the UV, the ultraviolet indices are up.
02:12:20.000It's so interesting, you can actually look at a lot of the popular claims that are out there and you can actually gauge that indeed it may be an intentional disinformation mode to do so because You know, they'll claim that this material is somehow there.
02:12:35.000You know, the mechanics and physics are never really explained.
02:12:39.000It's just somehow this has to be helping.
02:12:41.000Clifford, before I forget, did you see the big write-up on the federally written textbook where they tell the kids that the government's putting a sunscreen up there to keep us safe?
02:13:49.000Go look at what's being described now to the kids in popular literature in terms of cloud types and infinite variations.
02:13:57.000of things that have no physical basis unless you introduce a water-loving salt material that completely changes the dynamics and changes the atmosphere.
02:14:07.000They're terraforming Earth to make it a desert planet, sir?
02:15:07.000Yes, this is Tom in Texas, and I'd like to say I've been watching these since 1999.
02:15:11.000I've made some personal observations over long periods of time.
02:15:14.000I can tell you some of the places these planes fly in and out of.
02:15:18.000As a matter of fact, I can tell you the fuel companies who contract to fuel them.
02:15:22.000In Wichita, Kansas, I watched 40 modified KC-135s that have the, used to be a four-engine aircraft modified, but the two engines on the wing, the more powerful engine, come in and refueled by Grondike aircraft.
02:15:36.000I've seen them at the Jinker Air Force Base, come in there as many as a dozen of them in three groups.
02:16:32.000I was out at the Austin-Birchstrom Airport about five years ago, and I wasn't poo-pooing chemtrails, but I was poo-pooing the spiderwebs.
02:16:39.000And I'm there, and under the streetlights, these giant, 20-foot wide, I was with Mike Hanson, spiderwebs are hitting us in the face, and it was coming off from the planes.
02:16:49.000Clipper Carnicom, what are these spiderwebs?
02:16:51.000Man, that's another whole story we could do another whole show on, but let's just say they're not spiderwebs.
02:16:57.000They appear to be, well, there's big questions here, I'll tell you.
02:17:01.000I can say that they are associated with biological operations and the research I've done there.
02:17:07.000Well, I know that coming out three years ago, DARPA has told the Baltimore Sun that they may put up towers with electromagnetic fields to make us behave better.
02:17:40.000Hillary Clinton talking about them making us take brain chips.
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02:21:59.000Right now, before we go to Eleanor and, of course, Jack Blood, we're going to go to him as well here in just a moment.
02:22:15.000The first one is, is it possible for normal airplane contrails to stay small and not because I've observed that phenomenon for over 30 years.
02:22:28.000And the second question is, if they're using commercial airplanes, what would be the chemical they're adding to the jet fuel?
02:22:39.000Is it possible for a contrail to stay?
02:22:42.000Yes, as a matter of fact, if you look at a paper I did related to humidity, If the humidity is high enough, indeed, it's possible to linger essentially indefinitely.
02:22:53.000Unfortunately, those conditions don't actually exist or occur too often.
02:22:57.000Well, I just want to say, I had never seen it until the late 90s, and I know that if it's really, you know, a lot of humidity, it's cold, you can just get ice crystal trails up there as you know well, but you're a pilot.
02:23:07.000And again, I'm not saying everything is a trail, every plane's doing it.
02:23:11.000I'm saying there is some type of weird program going on from all the evidence we have.
02:23:15.000I mean, you're a pilot, Danny, do you ever walk outside I agree.
02:23:18.000Do you see days where it's nothing but trails and they're below 10,000 feet?
02:23:21.000Because believe me, brother, I've taken photos of it.
02:23:25.000I've seen where the spraying and the trails spread and cover the whole sky.
02:23:32.000But I've also seen days that are not very frequent where you'll have a small trail created and it'll just not dissipate, but it remains small.
02:23:43.000Well, what do other airline pilots think about it?
02:23:46.000What do you think about it? - I agree with you 100%.
02:23:51.000There's a biological component to it, and there's a weather modification component to it.
02:24:00.000In terms of the second question, in terms of the chemical, you'll notice I never use the word chemtrail because there's no real basis for that at this point.
02:24:07.000What can be accurately assessed is that they are aerosols.
02:24:10.000Certain elements have been repeatedly identified at ground level.
02:24:14.000But it's really not quite fair to extrapolate that to the direct source until that's done properly.
02:24:20.000But nevertheless, in terms of what compounds are there, it appears as though it would be feasible if the materials are small enough.
02:24:28.000Again, we need the information here, but from my side, it appears as though it would be feasible if materials are small enough, and we are speaking at the submicron level, that a fuel system could be developed.
02:24:40.000There is certainly strong evidence of delivery systems.
02:24:45.000Uh, but in terms of the grand scale operation, we don't have a bird's eye view of the source, but it is feasible to me that at the sub-micron level you could be dealing with a... What about those photos?
02:24:55.000Sure, what about the photos on the web we've seen?
02:24:58.000Hold on, they have spray nozzles on them.
02:25:03.000Well, I've just seen them on the web over the years.
02:25:05.000Anybody, anybody that claims any photographs, uh, showing nozzles and such, uh, to me at this point They are totally inadequate until they are documented properly, and to me, I can't say I've seen that yet.
02:25:17.000I'm not saying they're not, I'm just saying to me there is no sufficient evidence of direct eye-to-eye photography of source material.
02:25:25.000Alright, Danny, you ever see anything really weird where you're flying right next to a plane, you're not leaving the trail, but they are?
02:25:33.000No, I can't say that I have seen that, but I have seen, as you have Alex, the trails that start out small and spread and then cover the whole sky.
02:25:56.000Hey Alex, thanks for having Clifford on the program with you today.
02:25:59.000This really shows how brave you are, how brave Clifford is.
02:26:03.000I wanted to ask a question about provocateurs because Clifford, I've used your information and a lot of my listeners have posted that on message boards.
02:26:10.000We have been attacked by organized groups on the internet.
02:26:16.000We've also found that there is a key person at NASA who has nothing better to do than to scour the internet looking for people talking about this.
02:26:24.000I've actually had, you know, violence, threats, I've had arson at my home for talking about this chemtrail situation, and specifically using your work.
02:26:33.000So, I'd like to hear you, if you could, speak about the real movement to just shut us up, no matter what they have to do.
02:26:41.000Anything happen to you like that, Jack Clifford?
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02:31:12.000Clifford Carnicom, what about the different weathermen?
02:31:14.000There have been several meteorologists that have gone public, who work for TV stations, saying that they can clearly see the jets flying and blocking weather, and that they're seeing weather patterns that they've never seen in their careers, and in some cases, spanning decades, and then, you know, back to college, that there are new types of clouds, that new things are happening.
02:31:35.000What's your take on their comments and what they bring to the plate?
02:31:38.000Well, the physics of the atmosphere have been changed.
02:31:43.000So, the game is not really the same as we know it.
02:31:47.000And, you know, the fascinating thing is that a child growing up now, you know, the question of what is normal comes up.
02:31:54.000It's quite interesting, but a child growing up now would never even know or have the memories that we have as adults.
02:32:00.000And this is now their frame of reference.
02:32:02.000And, you know, history is written by the victors, that statement.
02:32:05.000You can pretty much create whatever world you want.
02:32:08.000My last question for you before we take three final calls is, getting outside the science, getting outside just your research, what do you, bottom line, think it's really all about?
02:32:17.000What do you think the government is doing?
02:32:19.000If I'm pressed to offer a single word that encapsulates and describes what I see happening here, I have to use the word control.
02:33:06.000And then there's all these other programs going on, so people need to stop denying this.
02:33:10.000Yeah, you have it exactly right, Alex, and I really don't, you know, Al Gore in his film, at least to his credit, he did make a point of it.
02:33:20.000And that is, I don't think people have any idea how fragile this atmosphere is.
02:34:08.000Are you willing, this is a general question to everyone, are you willing to have your atmosphere sacrificed?
02:34:14.000For the intentions that are undeclared and unknown, are you willing to sacrifice both your atmosphere and potentially the world?
02:34:20.000I remember watching a Discovery Channel program, I think it was called Trinity, out there at the Trinity grounds where they tested the nukes, and they had a line in there where they were shooting in one night something like 20 huge hydrogen bombs into the upper atmosphere and detonating them, and they said that they thought it might ignite the world's atmosphere, but they were still going to do it.
02:34:41.000I mean, what is the mindset of these That's right.
02:34:47.000You know, there may come a time, the way we're headed, where you won't have the opportunity to even address the question or answer the problem if you're not willing to act now.
02:34:58.000I'm not willing to make that sacrifice.
02:35:01.000I'm sure you've heard of the UT professor who says we all need to die, including his family?
02:35:10.000Do you think this fits into the whole population control agenda?
02:35:14.000Again, I may not be able to ascribe intent, but what I can say is that it is expected that there will be increased mortality, as well as the potential of a huge host of unknown pathogens that we are subject to.
02:36:26.000Yeah, now to, again, I believe the processes of indoctrination are very much in place.
02:36:30.000All right, I know you've got to go in just a moment.
02:36:32.000Let's just rampage through these calls.
02:36:34.000Eleanor in Tennessee, thanks for holding her on the air.
02:36:38.000Well Alex, in the late 90s I lay on the ground outside and observed fixed-wing aircraft, two of them, one going back and forth one way in one area of the sky, another going back and forth in another area of the sky.
02:36:51.000They were low enough that I could see they had a canister on either side of the aircraft behind the front wings.
02:36:58.000From those canisters came these clouds of whatever.
02:37:01.000You know, with whatever was being spewed out, the planes were going back and forth over an area, expressing the substance, till the sky is full of trails.
02:37:11.000Within four or five hours, the trails spread out.
02:37:13.000They come together to form what I call a blanket over the sky.
02:37:18.000I had read where the Russians used such during World War II to keep the Germans from Thank you, Ali.
02:37:53.000Well, and some of it's real, some of it, you know, is legitimate, though we've caught them doing biological, chemical, radiological tests where this is a cover.
02:38:01.000But two months ago, I'm listening to the radio, Southwest Austin today, don't be alarmed if you see small aircraft spraying, they're trying to kill, I believe it was the Chinese something boar beetle or something.
02:38:12.000And then, oh, there's a deadly mosquito in Corpus Christi when I was down there fishing.
02:39:07.000Oh yeah, what about this phenomenon of the photos and video that have been shot where they're just turning them on and off?
02:39:12.000Sure, I have a classic photo of that, one of the early ones that was taken, which is used to make this point.
02:39:18.000And that is, in some cases, it's clearly, let's say, artificially controlled and distributed.
02:39:24.000And that particular photo I'm talking about, let me say there was a great deal of interest by certain parties to try and identify the location, source, and timing of that photograph.
02:39:35.000And I know that there was a clear effort to want to identify that particular pilot of that particular plane at that time, because it's a rather incriminating photograph if you look at it, taken up in Colorado.
02:39:46.000And the explanations of variation in meteorological conditions don't explain the appropriate way.
02:39:51.000Well, you'll see stuff, too, when they're flying these grid patterns, is when they get to the end and they're ready to make their turn, they turn off.
02:39:57.000Then when they turn back around to go back, it turns back on.
02:40:23.000Oily substances on Saturday were showered upon their homes and cars, and it's an oily residue that all the neighborhoods, the whole township, Got sprayed with some kind of mist.
02:40:34.000Well, that happens all the time, and they try to claim that it's, you know, that it's sewage matter from malfunctioning planes, but what do you do when a whole town gets covered with green or black goo?
02:40:46.000Clifford, we've seen hundreds of these cases.
02:40:50.000I can't speak for an oily residue, but what I can speak for is a failure.
02:40:54.000No matter what the material is, if you have airborne materials that are unexplained that pose a potential health risk or a potential pollution risk, It seems quite reasonable.
02:41:03.000Yeah, Fish and Wildlife should be responsible for analyzing them.
02:41:08.000The EPA has failed us tremendously on this regard.
02:41:11.000Fish and Wildlife comes out and tests every week for the fish and all these other groups running around, but why won't they test this?
02:42:10.000There are biological components that have been repeatedly identified within these fibers.
02:42:16.000We don't know what they are properly, but I've done quite a bit of analysis, and my work is up there.
02:42:21.000there there is probably 300 200 pages I would guess at least analysis of these fibers up there yeah okay so I may have been cut off there but there's been quite a body of research that's been done there to analyze it from the perspective that I can the
02:42:44.000A private lab was consulted at one point at paid cost, and they issued a report which could clearly be shown to be false.
02:42:53.000They were addressed in person for the failure of that report, and they terminated that meeting at the very early part of it.
02:43:02.000They said this meeting is now over as soon as I raised the objections as to why that report was false.
02:47:15.000This issue of this disease that has emerged over the past several years, the popular term being given is Mergellin's disease.
02:47:23.000There's a serious topic of research here that needs a lot of help and I may be contributing to that.
02:47:29.000Do you think the two are connected because we have the reports of these tiny fibers and that's what's reported to be coming out of skin and then we have real serious doctors?
02:47:36.000Talking to people and, you know, removing it where clearly there's been no incision, it's just somehow in them?
02:47:42.000It's possible they're connected, and I guess that's the very question.
02:47:46.000I'm not trying to draw a connection before it's there, but I think it's valid to raise that question.
02:47:50.000And what we can say is that that issue is being managed.
02:47:53.000The Margellons issue is being managed exactly in the same way that this issue has been managed.
02:48:07.000It is not delusional that they knowingly for ten years put AIDS virus and HIV in hundreds of thousands of hemophiliacs, blood supply here in the US, tens of thousands in Canada, and hundreds of thousands worldwide.
02:48:19.000It is not a conspiracy theory that they gave black men syphilis.
02:48:23.000It is not a conspiracy theory they nerve gassed US troops.
02:48:27.000It is not a conspiracy theory, so all of this is open for discussion.
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02:51:51.000Here's a story out of News 7 out of Denver, Colorado.
02:51:54.000Marshals, innocent people placed on a watch list to meet quota.
02:51:58.000Marshals say they must file one surveillance detection report, or SDR, per month.
02:52:03.000When you're put in a terrorist database, you could be on a senior government database on which lists for simply taking a picture on an airplane.
02:52:11.000Some federal air marshals say they're reporting your actions to meet a quota, even though some top officials deny it.
02:52:17.000The Air Marshals' identities are being concealed, told 7 News.
02:52:22.000They go risk their careers and everything to tell this, and the Feds say, oh, it's not true, because they're so trustworthy.
02:52:27.000The Air Marshals' identities are being concealed, told 7 News.
02:52:30.000They were required to submit at least one report a month.
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02:52:39.000Innocent passengers are being entered into an international intelligence database of suspicious persons.
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