On today's show, Paul Wojtowicz joins Alex Jones to discuss the possibility that the 9/11 attacks may have been an inside job. Also, a report from the Toronto Star claims that the U.S. government is keeping the public in the dark about the North American Union. And a new documentary explores the CIA bombing of a Cuban passenger plane to be blamed on their own government.
00:00:38.000Paul Watson joins us on this Thursday, 21st day of September 2006 edition for one of his bi-weekly news blitzes.
00:00:49.000He'll be with us coming up in about a half an hour.
00:00:51.000Then we're scheduled to have Congressman Rangel on to discuss, well, his pledge to leave the Congress if the Democrats don't have a sweep of the legislative branch of the federal government.
00:01:06.000We'll also talk about the legislation he's introduced to bring forward a national draft or conscription.
00:01:14.000And then in the third hour, we're scheduled to have two different gentlemen on.
00:01:19.000Who were infiltrators into the IRA and some of the famous cases where basically the IRA was British intelligence.
00:01:29.000The famous case of the operative Steak Knife.
00:01:33.000And Steak Knife will be joining us, so that is coming up later as well.
00:01:39.000We will have open phones throughout the broadcast.
00:01:42.000But I would like you to have your question or comment or statement ready so we can move to you and move to the next person.
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00:01:55.000They've zoomed in on the spinach after a week of freaking out and hysteria over E. coli, one death, and 120-something people sick.
00:02:04.000Surprise, surprise, it's being connected to illegal aliens doing potty in the fields in Southern California and in the Valley area.
00:02:58.000Great report Paul Watson's put out on this up at PrisonPlanet.com.
00:03:04.000Also, we cover the CIA bombing of the Cuban passenger plane to be blamed on their own government.
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00:03:21.000government terror attack that Chavez just talked about yesterday at the United Nations is covered in Terror Storm.
00:03:30.000It isn't just Jerome Corsi or Alex Jones or the occasional comment or statement about the North American Union from Lou Dobbs.
00:03:41.000Big report here, this is out of the Toronto Star, getting closer to Uncle Sam.
00:03:50.000And they go on to say that public and business leaders kept in the dark about North American integration.
00:03:58.000It talks about a secret meeting with our leaders in Canada just last week about the North American Union and how they're being very secretive.
00:04:11.000Because half the public doesn't know their head from the hole in the ground and doesn't know we're going into a North American Union.
00:04:18.000And the other half is starting to learn of it and is hopping mad so the government does what it always does.
00:04:57.000It's here after a year in production and traveling to distant lands.
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00:10:09.000All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.
00:10:12.000I am so busy news gathering during the breaks and being besieged from all directions that occasionally I forget these are three minute breaks.
00:10:21.000Thank you so much for joining us on this live Thursday edition.
00:10:28.000Thrust into my little hand, and I have been aware of this since Monday, is the official court ruling By the federal government that they are declaring total ownership and control over all waterways, all coastal waterways, all rivers and streams, and that no boats of any type are allowed on any of them at any time.
00:11:01.000I have the ruling here in front of me.
00:11:04.000So we'll be getting into that a little bit later in the broadcast.
00:11:09.000America blog did point out today what I had pointed out yesterday that Bush bashes Syria at United Nations But sent an innocent man to be tortured in Syria.
00:11:24.000Seriously, could Bush be a bigger hypocrite declaring that a more hopeful world is within our reach?
00:11:31.000President Bush called on world leaders at the United Nations today to stand with democratic leaders and moderate reformers across the Middle East, but he also Criticized several countries by name, demanding that Iran abandon its nuclear weapons ambitions and telling Syrians that their government has allowed their country to become a crossroads for terrorism and a tool of Iran.
00:12:08.000the same day after we learned the U.S.
00:12:11.000conspired with Canada to send an innocent man to Syria to be tortured.
00:12:17.000Canadian intelligence officials passed false warnings and bad information to American agents about Muslim Canadian citizen after which U.S.
00:12:26.000authorities secretly whisked him to Syria where he was tortured.
00:12:29.000A judicial report and review in Canada concluded on Monday.
00:12:38.000We have innocent people taken to Syria by our government, by the Canadian government, by the British government, by the German government, by the French government for that matter, to be tortured.
00:12:50.000Now, how is Syria not working with the hijackers of our government?
00:12:56.000I don't want to say not working with us, because this isn't our government.
00:13:16.000I'm just going to get into it now because I wanted to cover it and I never did and I saw it in the top of the stack when I got in today to the office.
00:13:36.000Vice President Al Gore on Monday suggested taxing carbon dioxide emissions instead of employees' pay in a bid to stem global warming.
00:13:50.000Penalizing pollution instead of penalizing employment will work to reduce that pollution, Gore said in a speech at New York University School of Law.
00:14:00.000The pollution tax would replace all payroll taxes, including those for Social Security and unemployment compensation, Gore said.
00:14:08.000He said the overall level of taxation would remain the same.
00:14:12.000Instead of discouraging businesses from hiring more employees, it would discourage businesses from producing more pollution, Gore said.
00:14:26.000Whether you believe in global warming or not, whether you believe what Al Gore is saying or not, the solution
00:14:38.000that has been put forward by Al Gore and the IMF and the World Bank and the European Union is a global set of taxes against all forms of industry and then money transfers, private property, everything.
00:15:00.000This is the global tax, the oil wellhead tax, the emissions tax, the Kyoto Protocol, It has nothing to do with global warming.
00:15:22.000It will simply pass on costs to the people.
00:15:27.000So even if you believe the fraud of global warming, There is no debating that this quote solution has nothing to do with your religious tenet.
00:15:44.000It is nothing more but another way to fund world government period and if you think they're going to get rid of the income tax and they're going to get rid of all these other taxes when they institute their energy tax, give me a break.
00:15:59.000They always say that when they're pushing a tax and once it goes into place Occasionally, at first, they'll lower existing taxes, and then a year or two later, jack them back up.
00:16:25.000Graduated with a poor won't even have to pay it.
00:16:29.000And they say, oh, we'll get rid of the income tax.
00:16:32.000They're not going to get rid of the income tax.
00:16:34.000They're going to keep it and simply change the name of it to the social security tax and cut down the current rate and then jack up both of the new national sales tax along with the existing income tax.
00:16:48.000And yeah, they're going to have, via the transponders in all your cars, the international money transfer tax.
00:17:01.000They're going to have the energy tax via the transponders.
00:17:06.000Transponders in your credit cards, transponders in your driver's license, transponders in your inspection sticker.
00:17:13.000Folks, it is in the official NAFTA and CAFTA and North American Union documents.
00:17:21.000It is there for the entire world to see that they plan to tax you as you drive down the road, and that this is part of the global tax.
00:17:40.000It will be shared with the locale, the county, the city, the state, the federal government, and then a large portion put into an international kitty.
00:17:51.000And that international governing body And it's different arms, our private, our run-for-profit, IMF, World Bank, Ex-Im Bank, World Trade Organization, World Health Organization.
00:18:04.000There is no liberty, there is no freedom, there is no Bill of Rights, there is no Constitution.
00:18:09.000Read Article 30 of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights.
00:18:14.000It says you have no rights in plain black and white.
00:19:14.000I don't just go see Al Gore's movie and then go get in a fetal position in the bathroom and roll around on the ground, you know, wetting myself.
00:19:23.000Going, global government, oh, please come save me.
00:19:28.000Oh, by the way, It's a selectively enforced global tax against the Western world.
00:19:35.000The United States, England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Western Europe, China, India, and 166 other countries have to make zero emissions reductions or cuts.
00:19:47.000So if you think the de-industrialization of this country is bad now, you think it's hard to get an industry job now, ha ha!
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00:25:00.000Bill Gray, we're trying to get on, who has studied tropical meteorology for more than 40 years, spoke at the Laramiere County Republican Club Breakfast about global warming and whether humans are to blame.
00:25:14.000Gray, who was a professor at Colorado State University, said human-induced global warming is a fear perpetrated by the media and scientists who are trying to get federal grants, and that is part of it.
00:25:25.000I think we are coming out of the little ice age, and warming is due to changes to ocean circulation patterns due to salinity variations, Gray said.
00:26:08.000They're saying we're having very serious climate change and that human activity is negligible in the overall compared to other inputs such as volcanoes, such as natural forest fires and things of that nature.
00:26:26.000But then even those inputs or global climate changing engines Pale in significance themselves to that gigantic ball of burning gas at the center of our solar system that we orbit here happily, my friends, that's the real problem.
00:26:52.000And if you will simply type into Google, sun brighter, or sun entering brightest cycle, The scientists thought the last 11 and a half year cycle was the greatest ever recorded.
00:27:04.000Now they're saying that the new cycle is already online to dwarf that cycle.
00:27:12.000I know I've talked about this quite a bit, but it's pretty darn important.
00:27:15.000The new sun cycle may be 50% brighter than the previous cycle.
00:27:24.000And if it is, it's definitely online to be much brighter than the last one.
00:27:28.000And they're saying if it continues to heat up and increase its burn rate, that is the nuclear reactions going on in its furnace, that it may be 50% brighter by the time the cycle peaks about seven years from now.
00:27:43.000And folks, if that happens, Lord knows what's going to develop.
00:28:28.000I mean again, even if our cars were doing this, what does a global tax selectively put on the western world, on our industries and on our transportation, what is that going to do to stop the end of the world?
00:28:42.000Oh my gosh, save me Al Gore, let me sit in your lap, oh please.
00:29:07.000The CFCs were eating the ozone layer and the earth was going to die.
00:29:12.000We were all going to be dead if we didn't switch over to these new patented chemicals that they had in this new refrigeration and air conditioning system.
00:29:21.000And they forced the entire globe over to it.
00:29:27.000But then, on the other hand, they tell you our cars create too much ozone, our engines do, and so there's Ozone Action Day, oh, there's deadly ozone everywhere, but it's dying in the atmosphere, CFCs, ah!
00:29:40.000It's just another scam, so good, if it feels good, look, be scammed, don't listen to me.
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00:35:28.000Well that's right, and globally the temperature is up about 2 degrees from what it was in the last 50 years on average, but that is part of, there is no normal cycle, just part of the ongoing cycle of the climate gyrating.
00:35:48.000The other subjects I wanted to get into were obviously Hugo Chavez's speech at the UN yesterday and the details within it that the media deliberately ignored, basically.
00:36:00.000And then a little something about the prediction you made.
00:36:05.000We've got Karl Rove coming out and saying that there's a promise, not a prediction from him, but a promise that there will Be an October surprise that will win the Republicans both houses in November.
00:36:54.000Hugo Chavez calls Bush the devil before he'd even finished his speech and that was what all the headlines were about after.
00:37:02.000It's classic bait-and-switch when if you read the entirety of what Chavez said which we've posted on PrisonPlanet.com today He discusses CIA control of terrorists, specifically the case of Luis Posada Carrillo, the anti-Cuban terrorist and plane bomber who was on the payroll of the CIA from the 60s until 1976.
00:37:25.000And being protected today in this country.
00:37:32.000He originally started out, as I've detailed in the article I put out today, As the leader, with another CIA operative, Orlando Bosch, of the Commanders of United Revolutionary Organizations group, which was a terrorist cell, they carried out over 50 bombings and political assassinations, including that October 1976 bombing of the Cuban passenger airliner as it took off from Barbados.
00:38:01.000All under the supervision of the then-director of the CIA, George H.W.
00:38:13.000They were arrested and jailed in Venezuela, but escaped in 1985 after they bribed the prison guards.
00:38:22.000They were then transported by another Cuban expatriate called Felix Rodriguez to El Salvador to link up with Old Ollie North and become part of the Iran-Contra conspiracy.
00:38:35.000So they were engaged in that role for quite some time.
00:38:40.000You had Senators asking questions on the Senate floor as to why this known terrorist was being allowed to collude with the US government operations.
00:38:50.000Afterwards he was released again into Miami and then he went on to carry out a wave of tourist industry bombings in Havana during the 1990s.
00:39:01.000And then just three days ago the ruling came through from a Texas magistrate to order the Immigration Bureau to release Passada once again so he can presumably carry on the terrorist mass murdering activities that he's been doing for decades under the jurisdiction of the CIA.
00:39:22.000And he's pled guilty to this before he's gotten out of prison, escaped.
00:39:26.000And there's no talk of extraditing this convicted terrorist.
00:39:31.000In fact, he'll probably start having fun again right here in Texas.
00:39:35.000Well, what's interesting about it is that Rod Riguez, who was Passada's handler during the Iran-Contra congressional hearings, actually bragged of meeting with Herbert Walker Bush George Herbert Walker Bush During those previous years so all along we see the protection of this individual this plane bomber under the jurisdiction of the CIA is protection and collusion with the Bush criminal dynasty
00:40:05.000Yes the Bush crime family so we have that We also have his quotes concerning where he says, and the CIA is behind the other terror here in the US, and that's basically where he left it concerning 9-11, though early last week he came out and said, hey, buildings don't fall like that without explosives, and it's gaining momentum, the theory, the hypothesis that this was an inside job as a pretext to launch this global war of domination, to paraphrase.
00:40:36.000Yeah, he gave that speech laying it out full board.
00:40:39.000He alluded to it yesterday in saying that Americans who died in the U.S.
00:40:44.000were the victims of the CIA terrorists.
00:40:47.000Time Magazine did a report just last week, which I'm looking at now, and the picture is of a giant billboard in Havana which reads, coming soon to North American courts, the assassin with Posada Carriles Who was the guy that Chavez was talking about.
00:41:11.000And George Bush with blood dripping from their mouth, characterized as, um, in the movie, The Assassin.
00:41:17.000So that's on a giant billboard in Havana.
00:41:19.000So the entire world knows about the Bush protection of this, uh, terror, anti-Cuban terror cell.
00:41:25.000And the fact that it carried out all these bombings and assassinations, but At every turn, the Bush family is instrumental in ensuring their safe passage and protection.
00:41:37.000It's amazing, and you can break through that news blackout at PrisonPlanet.com right now.
00:41:41.000Paul's done a great job with this report.
00:41:44.000Shifting gears now to the second subject, you just brought up Karl Rove.
00:41:48.000We have White House memos where they're saying, hey, we need to catch bin Laden or have a huge terror attack before the next election or we're going to lose.
00:41:58.000We've got Back in the 2004 election, the White House told U.S.
00:42:04.000News and World Report that, quote, D.C.
00:42:06.000would be nuked, and we said to folks, don't believe that.
00:42:10.000Since Roe was now saying, again, we will be hit, I will have to downgrade and say it's not guaranteed, because usually these people lie.
00:42:27.000Yeah, it's one of these Newsmax reporters who's tied in with the Republican hierarchy who was at some kind of meeting with Karl Rove where he promised an October surprise that would ensure the Republicans held on to both houses.
00:42:46.000He didn't give any other details as to what that surprise might be, but he made a promise that it would happen.
00:42:51.000Well, I think we're seeing the surprise.
00:42:53.000We've gone from an average of $3.10 a gallon of gas down to an average of about $2.30.
00:42:59.000By the way, folks, just three and a half years ago it was $1.35 a gallon, so people now think a dollar more a gallon is a great deal.
00:43:05.000You're being scammed either way, but a lot of... I see it as a good sign that they've pressured the oil companies at lower prices At least until the end of the election.
00:43:14.000That shows that they're, you know, trying more of the classical things to get votes instead of blowing up a city.
00:43:21.000But we're not out of the woods yet, Paul.
00:43:25.000Well, obviously before the 2004 election, it was in late October, days before the actual election itself, that we witnessed the release of Bin Laden campaigning, basically, for the re-election of Bush.
00:43:43.000And John Kerry, controlled skull and bones asset that he is, even himself later blamed his election defeat on the release of that Bin Laden tape.
00:43:53.000So when Rove talks about another October surprise, It could obviously be in the realm of the PR propaganda war front.
00:44:02.000We've already seen a bunch of new Al-Qaeda tapes and everybody's starting to notice this, even mainstream media, that Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden just seem to work for the Republican Party because they just always pop up at the exact perfect time.
00:44:16.000Well yeah, and we know for a fact that these tapes are part of a US propaganda campaign because Before the appearance of Musab al-Zarqawi, who was later pronounced dead for the 24th time by the U.S.
00:44:30.000government, before his first appearance in a videotape rather than an audio tape, it was a stated Pentagon propaganda campaign to quote, target the U.S.
00:44:41.000home audience in inflating the role, exaggerating the role of Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq, and they even went to the Level of, um, releasing fake letters where Al-Zarqawi claims responsibility for car bombings in Iraq and leaking them to the New York Times who, without question, splashed them on the front page of their issue that day.
00:45:06.000So, days after that Pentagon campaign to boost his role in Iraq, to artificially boost it, came out, then we saw the release of the Al-Zarqawi videotape.
00:45:17.000So that in itself proves beyond even the ridiculous fatty bin Laden tape taking responsibility for 9-11 that the Pentagon is behind these videotapes and they target as the victim of the propaganda the U.S. home audience.
00:45:34.000And I think, well, I don't think I know more and more people are beginning to see through this.
00:45:42.000What else do you have on your front burner there newswise that you think is important? - Thank you.
00:45:49.000Just to tie into the protection of Posada and this Cuban terrorist cell which Chavez was talking about yesterday, the Washington Post recently reported that a guy by the name of Abdallah Tabarek, who was Bin Laden's bodyguard,
00:46:09.000had an affinity for Bin Laden, was basically one of his high-grade lieutenants, took Bin Laden's satellite phone during the Battle of Tora Bora in December 2001, headed in toward the Pakistani border while Bin Laden and others fled in the opposite headed in toward the Pakistani border while Bin Laden and others to, you know, hoodwink the U.S. military, military campaign to catch Bin Laden, which they released him and failed to target him over and over again deliberately.
00:46:38.000Buzzy Crongod said they weren't interested in him.
00:46:41.000So he provided that distraction so Bin Laden could escape in 2001.
00:46:47.000He was arrested by the U.S., taken to Guantanamo Bay.
00:46:55.000And then, after supposedly spending three years there, if he was ever there in the first place, he was released without charge.
00:47:02.000And this is the very guy that helped Bin Laden escape in December 2001 at Tora Bora, so another example of the US government providing safe passage for their high-grade terrorist patsies, just as was the case with Posada.
00:47:23.000Paul, from the outside looking into the U.S., seeing all the videos, reading the analysis and the press reports out of last week's historic demonstrations at Ground Zero on the five-year anniversary, what's your take on what happened?
00:47:40.000Well, it proves that the 9-11 Truth Movement and the general awareness movement is now insipid within American culture and we are becoming the majority.
00:47:51.000There's a good speech by Barry's Wicker on Prison Planet now where he points out that we normally would expect to see such a groundswell of sentiment in the American population, the people that are actually turned on and who can sing, not the dumbbells.
00:48:07.000We would expect to see such an obvious groundswell reflected back from the mainstream media But because the mainstream media cast a veil over that reflection, over that mirror, we don't see it, which could lead to some people thinking that it doesn't exist.
00:48:24.000But simply on the anecdotal evidence where Zwicker talks about, and you've had the same experiences which you've talked about on your show, he's going through airports, he makes jokes with airport security personnel about, oh, aren't you worried about all this terrorist stuff?
00:48:56.000But it's not reflected in the mainstream media that now at least half and soon to be the majority of American people see this fraud for what it is.
00:49:05.000And the anecdotal evidence suggests that The polls regularly suggest that our quarters are growing and more people are waking up.
00:49:13.000So, perception is reality, and obviously we don't control the major bureaus of propaganda, and so they're not going to tell us that we're winning, but the fact is that gradually the fires of freedom are inflaming the entire country, and we are winning.
00:49:50.000from New York, my major speech at Cooper Union, where Lincoln gave his big speech that got him the nomination.
00:49:57.000It was great to be speaking in that historic hall.
00:50:00.000We've also got a lot of the other great speeches now up there for members from New York, and we have the weekly TV reports and just so much more.
00:50:08.000All of my films, our books, prisonplanet.tv, Paul, folks should go there immediately and get a 15 cent a day monthly membership.
00:50:19.000In-studio guests, speeches, Alex Jones TV show, the best audio interviews from the Alex Jones show.
00:50:28.000One other thing before you break that's interesting, we've got it up on PrisonPlanet.com, is Barack Obama's new book where he says that after shaking hands with people, President Bush orders his aides to clean his hands.
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00:55:31.000One, you're absolutely right about the global warming.
00:55:34.000I recall a story about Dow Chemical Company putting out a bunch of propaganda about The ozone layer and hydrocarbons and so forth... The peak oil hoax was put out by Dutch Rochelle, Greg Pallas, BBC has the documents, but the fake liberals don't want to hear it.
00:55:51.000They want to be conned by the oil companies yet again.
00:55:54.000Listen, I don't want to breathe toxins.
00:55:56.000I don't want to have all these poisons.
00:57:28.000I agree with you, Alex, and you know your prediction that they're going to try another false flag care operation seems to coincide with this.
00:57:35.000George Lloyd was interviewing some former prosecutor on the air a couple, two or three nights ago.
00:59:50.000The big announcement, you're saying that you're not going to run again for Congress if the Democrats don't win.
00:59:55.000By win, how much do they need to win for you to stay?
00:59:59.000Well, that wasn't exactly the way it went, but... Okay, well tell us, tell us.
01:00:04.000Well, I had an interview and I was sharing why I thought the Democrats would be winning and talked about the war and the fight against terrorism, the incompetency of the administration, the corruption, the deficit, the obscene tax cuts for the rich, the cuts in services of veterans, and so it went well, and then the reporter asked me from AP, but what happens if you don't win?
01:00:31.000That I said then, and agree now, that if the American people are willing to accept another two years, for two more years, the domestic and foreign policy of this president, then there's no place for me in the House.
01:00:46.000It doesn't mean I won't be active or won't be doing something, but I cannot see the Congress and the country Just be devastated by these blind partisan positions and just sit on the bench.
01:01:01.000I'm 76, but there's too much life and energy in me to accept this happening to my country.
01:01:08.000And if I can't do anything in the Congress, I am prepared to do something outside.
01:01:12.000But quite frankly, I don't want to talk about this because from every indication, Americans are fed up with these things, and I am preparing and dealing with economists and all types of experts to see what we can do to sit down with Republicans and work together in a bipartisan way.
01:01:33.000Well, Congressman Rangel, we appreciate you joining us and just shifting gears a bit.
01:01:39.000President Bush's chief strategist, Karl Rove, has leaked to Neocon Publications that he's planning to pull an October Rabbit out of a hat blatantly in October.
01:01:50.000What do you think that surprise could be?
01:01:52.000Well, I don't know whether it's much of a surprise.
01:01:54.000It's already been said that the Republicans are soliciting a lot of money to Distract from what looks like a negative reaction on a national agenda and what they intend to do is to try to bring the contest down to the individual congressional seats rather than have a referendum on President Bush and that by doing this they intend to have a very heavy finance negative campaign against the
01:02:24.000A Democrat incumbent or challenger, and so... Well, it's pretty late in the game for that to work.
01:02:31.000I'm afraid that negative campaigning always works, and sometimes the later they do it, the less likely the victim of this, whether they're Democrats or Republicans... Then they don't have time to respond.
01:02:48.000Look what they did to Cynthia McKinney, boy, they're always after her.
01:02:51.000Well, you know, when you know you're in the spotlight, you gotta fly under the radar, and, uh, sometimes there's a level of conduct that people expect, whether it's with guards or... or whether it's, uh, your lack of sensitivity, uh, sensitivity to other people's feelings, uh, and, listen, uh, these are things that you can expect, but you're 100% right that once they decide that there's any chink in the armor, any vulnerability, they explored it.
01:03:23.000Unless it's vulnerabilities and chinks in the armor with Bush, no matter how much corruption he's involved in, it's all supposedly A-OK and wonderful and we should just all accept it.
01:03:32.000Congressman Rangel, we've got a quick three-minute break.
01:03:34.000When we come back, I want to talk about the war in Iraq, what happened in Lebanon, Bush wanting to go into Iran, where you think all that's going, and how you see the election shaking out.
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01:07:18.000Congressman Hugo Chavez, and I want to get into the war in a second, Hugo Chavez obviously gave a speech and said he could smell the sulfur that the devil had been there.
01:07:27.000And quite frankly, I've got to say that's accurate.
01:07:29.000Bush is the devil of America's The Promised Land.
01:07:32.000He really is turning a country into a police state.
01:07:35.000Spent more money than all presidents before him combined.
01:07:38.000He is not a conservative, by the way, by any stretch of the imagination.
01:07:43.000What do you think of Hugo Chavez's statements?
01:07:46.000Well, it's strange you would say that, because I just had a press conference.
01:07:50.000Hugo, right now, is still at a church in my congressional district.
01:07:55.000Condemning the President, and we've been the recipient of the generosity of the Venezuelan government giving to us the millions of barrels of home heating oil at 40% discount prices.
01:08:11.000Something our own federal government won't do.
01:08:13.000And something that our oil companies here won't do.
01:08:17.000But Alex, to tell you the truth, I made it clear at the press conference that I resent foreigners coming into my country, in my congressional district, condemning my president.
01:08:29.000And I don't want them to mistake the fact that because I criticize them, or because of Americans that speak out in criticism of our leaders, Republican or Democrat, that really should not give the right of foreigners to do the same thing.
01:08:46.000As a matter of fact, Whether or not I agree with the President, he still represents me and millions of Americans.
01:09:20.000He had his personal relationship with Jesus, and, uh, and the crowd loved it, too, but, you know, I represent my government, and, uh, I just don't like foreigners, uh, uh, being critical, because I know one thing, that if I was critical of him and his country, I wouldn't be around.
01:09:44.000Oh, I bet Chavez would let you criticize his government down there.
01:10:59.000I don't really think we have to resort to gut feelings.
01:11:02.000When we take over the House, we'd have to power a subpoena.
01:11:07.000We have witnesses to testify under oath, and we'll be able, believe me, and if any time you put our troops in harm's way, any time we've lost some 2,600 men and women and got thousands of people that have been wounded and impaired for life, men and women and got thousands of people that have been wounded and impaired for life, hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed, you bet your life that Congress has a responsibility to provide
01:11:34.000And the fact that we've been there and everyone says it's a mistake doesn't mean it was not wrongdoing.
01:11:42.000I know as a fact that there were meetings by the Project for a Better American Century with Wolfowitz and Cheney and Rumsfeld and the guy there at the United Nations, Edgar Olson.
01:12:03.000And they had already, during the Clinton administration, they were planning to knock off Saddam Hussein.
01:12:08.000All they were looking for was some excuse.
01:12:10.000Yeah, they said they needed a helpful Pearl Harbor catalyzing event, and without that event, they couldn't get their agenda through.
01:12:18.000Can I get you, Congressman, your take on a majority of your constituents believing that there is a 9-11 cover-up?
01:12:26.000I would think that That a lot of them thought that the president knew that the information, the president knew or should have known that the information he was receiving was cherry-picked and that with all that came before him he selected what he thought could stretch the Indicative that Saddam Hussein, even though not involved with 9-1-1, they gave the inference he was, that he had weapons of mass destruction, that he was connected with Al-Qaeda.
01:12:56.000I know, but you're a master though, you keep going to Bush lying about intelligence to go to war, and certainly the experts are saying, Ron Paul on this show, Congressman, fellow Congressman with you of course, has said that he believes there will be an impeachment that starts up with the Democrats' win.
01:13:10.000And he's even said he thinks it's good for the Republicans to lose control because it's dangerous to have such a concentration of power in all three branches of government.
01:13:18.000I'm talking about how George Bush has used 9-11 to pose as a savior and as a king and as a hero, when in truth, the majority of Americans now believe that he's probably involved in it.
01:13:28.000I want to hear your take on that, Congressman.
01:13:31.000Well, I don't really believe that the president thought that his big gamble would cost so many American lives.
01:13:39.000I really think that he allowed himself to believe that it was a slam dunk, that he could go over there and knock off Saddam Hussein, scare the hell out of Iran, and then share with Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Jordan that America was in charge and that they had to get out of the way of Israel and recognize us as a world power.
01:14:01.000And he just miscalculated and screwed up the whole thing, and so I don't think there's any question of that.
01:14:07.000I'm not prepared to say that he got us into this bloody war knowing that now he is saying that he has no clue as to how the hell he's going to get out and that it's going to take presidents in the future to work it out.
01:14:24.000I'm concerned with the American people.
01:14:26.000I don't mean to be avoiding or evading your question, That if that's what America really believes and wants, a president that could start a war and not know who the enemy is.
01:14:36.000You know, I often say that if Jesus came to me in the middle of the night and said, tell the president, your brother, that we, the enemy's got to surrender.
01:14:44.000All he has to do is describe who the enemy is, who he wants to surrender, what the conditions are.
01:14:50.000He has no clue as to the terrorists that he's created.
01:15:34.000What do you think of the dust, though?
01:15:35.000It's come out that Bush knew they were breathing it, and cynically decided to block medical funding, and even give these heroes funding.
01:15:42.000Well, they're catching hell now, and there's no reason why anybody that Rush to be a first responder should have their health jeopardized without the federal government being there for them.
01:15:55.000They're just as much heroes as anybody that's fighting in Iraq.
01:16:00.000And in closing, sir, You, of course, have introduced legislation in the last several Congresses, the Universal Service Act for a national draft of men and women, what, your version, 18-42, but I'm called a conspiracy theory when I talk about that legislation.
01:16:17.000Does that legislation exist, A, and B, why did you introduce it?
01:16:29.000When our great country goes to war, there has to be a sense that we were endangered.
01:16:34.000I think a lot of people have advocated for the war, but they don't want to make any sacrifices for it.
01:16:41.000And when you're getting volunteers and paying them $20,000, $30,000, and $40,000 to be in harm's way, it just seems to me that this is a war where they're not well off or the ones paying for it.
01:16:54.000And the well-off are the ones that are actually supporting it.
01:16:57.000Well, Congressman, I mean, even if they go back to a draft, there's still going to be loopholes for the rich.
01:17:05.000First, we won't go back to the draft because it would be too easy to avoid getting involved in a war if you think you've got some good to say.
01:17:40.000There would not be any exclusions at all.
01:17:43.000If you don't want to fight, there's something that you can do, and there's plenty to be done!
01:17:47.000You can look at the competencies of the people at the airport!
01:17:50.000If there's another major terror attack, Congressman, do you think legislation like yours will then finally be passed?
01:17:56.000I think that once they realize, this makes more sense than just trying to embarrass the President, once they realize that national security means that you get young people in our schools, our hospitals, our airports, our seaports, And these will be patriots, and not only that, that they'll be entitled to service education.
01:18:15.000We are so far behind in getting education available for our youth.
01:18:19.000Most nations have a free access to education.
01:18:24.000We have kids indebted for years after they're educated.
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01:22:51.000Last week we talked to Mike McCormick, Major Mike McCormick, one of the emergency workers that saved a lot of people and went into the rubble The fellow that found the American flag.
01:23:10.000He's been all over national television.
01:23:12.000And he's gone public about the poison dust and helped get some of the documents out.
01:25:19.000However, you know, I am just, at this point, I am just so totally disgusted and heartbroken with the entire country that, you know, I never thought that I would just say, I'd rather not get up in the morning out of total disgust and dismay.
01:25:42.000Well, we've tried to give as much attention to your plot as we can, and we'll continue to watch it and track it, and we're about to put up the video on the web of the interview that we did with you, both your speech and the interview we did with you in New York, and Mike, you've got my number.
01:25:56.000As things develop, if you need any help or anything, give me a call, okay?
01:26:01.000You better give Congressman Rangel's office a call.
01:26:06.000Do you know when your first court date is?
01:26:10.000Yeah, my first court date is the 6th of November.
01:26:14.000You know, the worst thing about it is the ulterior motive.
01:26:22.000And the ulterior motive seems to be nothing more than character assassination.
01:26:28.000Because Digging up the flag, being a hero, and I mean, I don't look at myself as a hero.
01:26:36.000But that's what they said you were, yeah.
01:26:38.000Yeah, but you know, you can be the poster boy one day, and the next day, you're handcuffed to a wall, and the only reason you're really handcuffed to the wall is because you're tired of seeing responders die.
01:27:26.000He's kind of staying at that plateau because he cannot get any sicker.
01:27:32.000He's at the verge where the doctor gave him 90 days.
01:27:38.000I'm just disgusted in seeing people that I befriend die, and there's nothing I can do to save them.
01:27:45.000Well, Mike, you and others have helped expose the fact that the government knew what the dust was doing, and they're in deep water right now, that's why they're coming after you and others.
01:27:53.000Have a great Friday and have a great weekend, my friend, and we'll talk to you soon.
01:28:00.000And we wrote an article about this, if folks want to get in contact with you, it's up on PrisonPlanet.com, and your number's right there, my friend.
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01:32:05.000We are becoming a decadent and degenerate society.
01:32:10.000We have gotten fat, dumb, and happy off of the labor of our forefathers and mothers.
01:32:17.000And not only do the yuppies, the so-called middle class, Groups out there in the Western world believe that only caring about themselves gets them ahead.
01:32:28.000They also think that they can lie, they can cheat, they can steal, and that that is going to be acceptable.
01:32:35.000But pretty soon when an entire society starts to lie, cheat, and steal, that society comes to a screeching halt and falls apart and implodes on itself, and you end up looking like India or Mexico.
01:32:52.000But, uh, the gibbering public is so stupid they won't even know it while they're slaves.
01:32:57.000You know, that's the... I mean, I would take some solace in it of, haha, all you corrupt yuppies think you're gonna get power out of this, but you're really gonna just destroy your future.
01:33:37.000MBA students in Canada and the United States are more likely to cheat than students in other disciplines because they believe it is how the business world operates.
01:33:46.000Well, that's not how it operated in the past.
01:33:50.000And people don't want to work with you or be around you if you do cheat and lie.
01:34:30.000MBA students in Canada and the United States are more likely to cheat than students in other disciplines because they believe it is how the business world operates and because they believe their peers cheat according to a new study.
01:34:44.000The study found that 56% of graduate business students admitted to cheating in the last year compared to 47% of non-business students.
01:34:54.000More than 5,000 MBA students from 11 graduate business schools in Canada and 21 schools in the United States took part.
01:35:02.000Jim Fisher, Vice Dean of MBA Programs at the University of Toronto's Rodham School of Management said he wasn't surprised by the new development.
01:35:13.000And they've also had polls where the majority of college seniors across the board don't know what the Bill of Rights is, and when they're given examples, they believe it's bad.
01:35:26.000They believe the 2nd Amendment, 1st Amendment, 4th Amendment, 5th, 10th, it's all bad.
01:35:32.000They believe black mask and torture and evil and corruption and secret arrest is good.
01:35:38.000Because they watch shows like CSI where it's glorified.
01:35:46.000And one academic expert said, those numbers are probably under-reported, said Donald McKay, the lead researcher of the study and business strategy professor at Rutgers.
01:36:05.000I've studied polls and surveys, and it's one of the main rules of it that if it's a controversial question, people will err generally on the less controversial answer and will lie.
01:36:18.000So, 36% believe the government carried out 9-11?
01:38:55.000Sixty percent of college graduates now in this country are women.
01:38:59.000They're talking about this big gap and, oh, men are being left behind.
01:39:04.000We aren't given grants or money to go to college.
01:39:07.000Men are ignored and men are, oh, poor men, but it's still men making the most money, men starting most of the new businesses, men doing the best in business because men are the most highly motivated.
01:39:19.000And I'm not saying there aren't really smart, super cool women who will outdo a man any day.
01:39:24.000My point is that these colleges are a joke.
01:39:29.000Okay, now I've really digressed off the map, and I apologize.
01:39:34.000Obviously, a lot of you get something great out of college, and I just, more and more, it's a joke.
01:40:50.000I know he's got a lot of listeners, and I appreciate him having me on to talk about issues that are important, and I'm not going to bash venues that let me get on and reach millions of people, but I'm not a listener to Man Cow, so I don't know.
01:41:04.000He seems pretty fair when I'm on the show.
01:41:06.000He lets me come on and talk about 9-11 being an inside job.
01:41:09.000Well, Russo was talking about his movie.
01:41:14.000Mancow, I will give him credit, he openly talks about the New World Order, they talked about the big banks running everything, but the one thing that caught my attention was the subject of 9-11 come up, and Rousseau mentioned Building 7.
01:41:27.000And Mancow says, you know, I don't believe in the conspiracies, I don't believe a plane hit the Pentagon, and Rousseau, I give him credit, he held his ground well, and he said, all I'm asking about is Building 7.
01:41:39.000He said, I'm not talking about the Pentagon.
01:41:41.000He said, explain to me how Building 7 fell.
01:41:46.000Mancow just really seemed to avoid that question, and kept trying to steer the conversation away from Building 7, and start going down the conspiracy route, and Russo just said, hey, all I'm talking about is Building 7.
01:42:01.000So that kind of made me wonder, and earlier in the conversation they were talking about The elections and voting fraud, and Mancow said that he didn't believe that Bush stole Ohio.
01:42:18.000Well, it's good that we don't have to judge the world through the eyes of Mancow.
01:42:26.000I mean, we have the evidence that there's election fraud.
01:42:28.000Yeah, I was just curious on your take on it, because he has a pretty vast audience, and there's a big part of me that appreciates what he's doing, but then it makes me wonder if he's not part of the bigger picture.
01:42:39.000I think people like Mancow are trying to survive and keep their radio show.
01:42:45.000I'm not too intellectual in the radio business, so I'm not really sure.
01:42:51.000I don't listen to the show, so I don't know.
01:42:53.000If you have another minute or so, I was wondering, I'm curious about Mike Judge.
01:42:58.000Good guy, knows all about the New World Order.
01:43:04.000No, I haven't seen Idiocracy, but I've watched King of the Hill over the years, and there has been some very numerous comments made in the dialogue on the animated cartoon King of the Hill.
01:43:17.000I was just curious on how he gets away with that on the Fox Network.
01:43:22.000Well, he gets away with it because he's had other hit TV shows, but his Idiocracy, which really takes aim at the New World Order, would have been a big movie, but Fox did kill it, and literally just said, we're not going to distribute this, and so it's dying on the vine.
01:43:38.000I think it's only in like 20 or 30 cities right now, and I keep meaning to write an article about Idiocracy, and maybe even try to get Mike Judge on, but that's basically it.
01:43:50.000Okay, I was just curious, you know, because there's been some pretty blatant undertones on some of his series that were on the Fox Network, and I just wondered if he was flipping that stuff in, or if they were just letting him go away with a certain amount of it, or, you know, I wasn't sure how that worked.
01:44:05.000Yep, thanks for the call, appreciate it.
01:44:27.000It is, but the first couple times that I went out there to restaurants and I told people, hey, 9-11 was an inside job and here's some information, the next day I got home and I was worried that I was going to get in trouble, I was going to get a call, get arrested.
01:44:42.000But every morning when I wake up, my brain tells me, don't forget about 9-11, don't forget it was an inside job, don't forget to tell people about it.
01:44:50.000Well, I mean, listen, we're in a lot of trouble if we don't expose this.
01:44:55.000Have you seen the new reports from Dubai?
01:44:59.000The interviewer, the last name of M.I.R.
01:45:05.000He's interviewed a Taliban general recently that says, I have it here on World Net Daily and a few other places where It says that they've already got a nuke inside America.
01:45:22.000Yeah, no, I mean, listen, I put the alert out a month ago saying this is the prime zone the next few months for a staged government terror attack, and they're pulling out all the stops for the election, hyping that it's about to happen, and anybody who believes bin Laden is still alive, anybody who believes these interviews are real, I got a bridge I want to sell them.
01:45:43.000You're thinking he's just making this all up?
01:45:54.000They're going to let off a nuke in Washington and New York as soon as we bomb Iran.
01:45:59.000Yeah, so why is Bush rushing to bomb Iran?
01:46:04.000Because he wants a nuke to go off so that he can start his whole Martial law.
01:46:09.000But my question to you is, do you think that Bin Laden is real and that he's really going to detonate a nuke?
01:46:15.000No, Bin Laden is an asset of the CIA, Tim Osman, and it's obvious that they're just using them against us so that they can cause all of this chaos.
01:46:52.000They're setting a precedent to just enter a... it's a comic book world.
01:46:57.000None of it has any connection to reality.
01:47:00.000Then there's all these old videos of Bin Laden outside the same cave, there in that little valley, there in that little valley, in that little cliffside, And over and over again after that, a new Bin Laden tape, Fox Breaking News, released by Al Jazeera, Al-C-I-A-Z-E-E-R-A.
01:47:50.000How many times did they kill the Saddam boys?
01:47:53.000I mean, they just... They must think we are completely and totally stupid.
01:48:01.000And just because Bush says a nuke will go off, and just because they say we're going to be hit by terrorists, and just because Karl Rove says there will be an October surprise, That doesn't mean it's going to happen.
01:48:49.000And so, yeah, you put all that together and these killers have hit us before with Oklahoma City and the first World Trade Center attack and 9-11 and the rest of it.
01:48:59.000So, yes, they are very capable and right now is the prime time danger For this to happen.
01:49:10.000And so I have said that I believe, barring a huge public hue and cry, exposing government-sponsored terror, that we're going to see big events by late October.
01:49:22.000Though there has been a big hue and cry and big demonstrations in D.C.
01:49:26.000and New York and all over the country, and right here on the air, and Fox News has even covered my prediction, that we have a chance Of backing them off.
01:49:36.000But we are still on thin ice, hot water, whatever you want to call it.
01:49:42.000We are in very serious times right now.
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01:54:30.000I'd like to read some scripture in light of Congressman Rangel's statements.
01:54:36.000This is when Israel had rejected Yahweh as ruling over them and asked for a king.
01:54:44.000And Yahweh granted their request and spoke to Samuel the prophet and said, Now listen to their voice, but you shall certainly warn them and shall make known to them the ruling of the sovereign who does reign over them.
01:54:59.000This is the ruling of the sovereign who does reign over you.
01:55:02.000He shall take your sons and appoint them for his own chariots to be his horsemen, and they shall run before his chariots and appoint commanders over his thousands and commanders over his fifties, or to plow his ground and reap his harvest.
01:55:15.000Or to make his weapons and equipment for his chariots.
01:55:19.000And that's exactly what Rangel is saying.
01:57:57.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:58:02.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:58:08.000Already into the third and final hour, we roll open the phones up in the shower.
01:58:12.000We have two amazing guests together, and we really won't have time to do justice to this in the 45 minutes of air time we have each hour, but we'll try.
01:58:20.000They were both with the Force Research Unit, covert military intelligence unit established by the United Kingdom Ministry of Defense under the British Army Special Intelligence Wing, or SIW.
01:58:33.000Along with the Joint Service Schools of Intelligence, originally based in Ashford and Kent, and later moved to Chickson's at Bedfordshire.
01:58:47.000Sometimes you'd have both guys, high level in a whole branch of the IRA, really being British Intelligence, and the two people not even knowing it.
01:58:56.000and uh... just this goes into false flag tear it's so important and both of our guests are going to use pseudonyms though we do know both their names and it's uh... kevin fulton and of course uh... there's also uh... martin ingram and there have been literally hundreds of mainstream news articles written about both men in the u.s.
01:59:17.000and in england and we're honored to have martin ingram and kevin fulton on with us today gentlemen thank you Just so people learn to recognize each separate voice, can Martin Ingram say hi first?
02:00:14.000Well, Alex, I was a member, a serving member of the British Army and I was recruited by the Force Research Unit to actually become a terrorist on behalf of Her Majesty's Government.
02:01:31.000You know, we have a lot of layman people who haven't researched this and I've read quite a few articles and books on the subject and still I'm complete Bufoon when it comes to the knowledge both of you men have respectively and together.
02:01:42.000So when we get back after this break in one minute, we've got plenty of time in that segment.
02:01:46.000I'd like both of you just to roll out with the crimes that were committed by Her Majesty's Service, under those orders, why they claim they were doing it, but what you think the real aim of state-sponsored terrorism is and why these false flag and i.e. provocateur events do take place.
02:02:08.000Who wants to take it first when we get back?
02:02:10.000Perhaps Martin should go first, or Martin, do you think Kevin should go first?
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02:05:53.000Joining us from undisclosed locations in the United Kingdom are two individuals that have become quite famous.
02:06:00.000Martin Ingram is a pseudonym used by one of the chief controlling officers who refused to go along with amazing levels of corruption and went public About British intelligence being involved in murders, crime, terrorism... You name it!
02:06:17.000And at the same time, we're also joined by Kevin Fulton.
02:06:39.000If you can, boil it down, condense it to what you did.
02:06:44.000In intelligence, what you witnessed, what they told you you would be doing, and what really ended up happening, and some of the crimes that were committed that you can talk about.
02:06:52.000Okay, well effectively what Northern Ireland was, was two sides, two communities, the Protestant and the Roman Catholic, to make it very simplistic.
02:07:01.000What the British government did, through its various agencies, but primarily by the army and the police, was to control both factions, In its entirety.
02:07:12.000The leadership of the Republican community was infiltrated and the Protestants or the Loyalist community was infiltrated.
02:07:20.000Now you just said the key thing there.
02:07:22.000Control the leadership of both entirely and literally steer and control the ongoing crises.
02:07:30.000Well that is fundamental to you achieving your objective.
02:07:34.000And effectively what they did for 30 years was to have them fight each other And make it look to the world that the British government was the honest arbitrator and the honest party who was basically being caught up in the middle and trying to do its best.
02:07:52.000And from what I've taken away from what other agents in the record shows and the inquiry show is in truth they were there actually trying to stir it up as a pretext to continue control over the region, is that accurate?
02:08:04.000Yeah, they didn't stir it, they generated it.
02:08:08.000Without the British Government's involvement and action by its various agencies, there wouldn't have been the prolonged conflict.
02:08:31.000If your imagination couldn't run to the levels of ingenuity which was taken to To run these sort of people.
02:08:38.000To give you an example, the man known as State Knife, Mr Alfredo Scappaticci, was run for over 30 years in the capacity of the head of the Internal Security Unit.
02:08:48.000And that is, he killed people fallen on behalf of the state.
02:08:52.000Now many of the people that he killed were people who were genuinely Republicans or people who were committed to the fight, but weren't following the doctrine which was being set by Her Majesty's Government.
02:09:07.000In other words, if it didn't fit in Her Majesty's government strategy, then you were disposed of.
02:09:13.000Didn't, didn't, uh, individual, and, and, and, Berlusconi has just joined us.
02:09:17.000Describe your role, sir, inside of this whole operation.
02:09:22.000Well, Peter, myself, uh, we would, we control agents like Freddy Scappaticci and others who, um, were, they were tasked to commit crimes, to gather intelligence, Uh, which would, in theory, allow the commanders to, uh, exploit intelligence in a timely fashion to save life.
02:09:44.000That's what I joined the service for, which was to save life.
02:09:47.000Uh, and, uh, what actually happened was that we took life, and it was very arbitrary, uh, in as much as there wasn't, um, uh, it wasn't very fair, let me put it that way.
02:10:00.000Uh, and it didn't follow what I would expect in a normal democracy.
02:10:06.000Well, from what I've... I mean, from my research, obviously not being on the inside like both of you gentlemen were, it was just really to keep the crises going and to make sure that it never really became a serious political discussion and to keep the two sides fighting with each other as a pretext to keep British control in Northern Ireland.
02:10:24.000And that is exactly what's happened today, isn't it?
02:10:26.000Because, you know, effectively the Republican movement today has been neutered.
02:10:31.000Well, not been neutered, it's been defeated in its entirety.
02:10:35.000And from a Loyalist point of view, criminality still goes on, but the Good Friday Agreement unbelievably respects the right of the United Kingdom to administer rule in the North.
02:10:49.000It also makes sure that the Republic of Ireland renounces its territorial claim to the North of Ireland.
02:10:57.000Have the Irish and British people started to see through this, sir?
02:11:02.000I'd say the Northern Irish community prior to 1999 were totally at a loss to explain what had gone on in the past.
02:11:13.000Since 1999 when people like myself and Kevin Fulton and a few others and a number of very very good journalists like Greg Harkin and Liam Clarke and a few other people who have exposed certain aspects of this story, the public today Absolutely 100% believers and Which is something that I believe that you're trying to convince the American public in respect to 9-11.
02:11:51.000Totally declassified that our government staged attacks in 53 against Iran to blame it on their government.
02:11:58.000So, yes sir, we believe 9-11 is an inside job.
02:12:01.000You want to give us your take on that?
02:12:03.000Well, I have met with David Shiller and I have discussed, so I'll make that clear, and I have watched some of the video footage of the attacks.
02:12:15.000I would caution, from my perspective, that I don't know enough about it, but what I would say is there are very many questions which would require to be answered in a very explicit and detailed way.
02:12:32.000Yeah, there are certain aspects of this that I think they don't deserve, but I would demand answers to them.
02:12:40.000If I'd lost a loved one in that incident, then I would be absolutely, fundamentally in favour of a, we call it a public inquiry.
02:12:54.000Sure, we know there's been a cover-up but the first step would be a real investigation.
02:12:57.000We're talking to one of the commanders from the Force Research Unit, covered military intelligence unit, established running operations in Northern Ireland and of course in areas of England.
02:13:09.000Gentlemen, how far can you go in saying what your role was?
02:13:13.000Before we do that, and I also want to give Kevin a chance to pop in here and say some things here in just a moment, but continuing with Martin Ingram, Martin, what did you see in 99 or what was the string of things you witnessed that made you finally go public?
02:13:28.000Well, in essence, what it is, is that we are being fed a lie.
02:13:37.000And I dislike the public being lied to, and ultimately the victims deserve to be told the truth.
02:13:45.000We're in a period now in Northern Ireland where there isn't going to be a conflict, another conflict, as this generation has been defeated.
02:13:53.000So it's incumbent upon the government, and there has been three governments principally during this conflict, who shut all their hands up and accept The blame and the responsibility and also people like myself also have to accept responsibility at the coalface because we all have the right to say no.
02:14:20.000I didn't say no but you know clearly what we did was wrong.
02:14:28.00099% of our operations I have no problem with and I would defend.
02:14:47.000Would you like to give us an example of one of the famous cases?
02:14:50.000Or, hey, if Kevin would like to pop in and give us an example of anything he witnessed?
02:14:54.000Well, let me give you an example of, say, the human bomb, the strategy of of using a human being as a proxy bomb.
02:15:03.000I suppose, very similar to a suicide bomb in it, but where you strap or you contain an individual.
02:15:11.000Kevin is ideally placed to give you an insight into that because he was involved in that type of an operation.
02:15:20.000Yes sir, please tell us, Kevin Fulton, give us just kind of a bird's eye view of what Martin's talking about.
02:15:29.000Well, since I released the book actually just there in June, and since June, the police have now started a criminal investigation into my activities.
02:15:39.000So a lot of the stuff I can't go into in exact detail, but what I can say is, IRA operations, there were a number of agents involved in operations, and these people were agents for the British state in the human bomb attacks, which killed soldiers, innocent civilians, also landmine attacks, I mean, listen, the best way to put it to your listeners is, I was a soldier recruited to go into the IRA.
02:16:05.000Basically, in my capacity as a British agent, I became a terrorist.
02:16:10.000Now, you can't pretend to be a terrorist.
02:16:13.000You know, I had to be able to do the same thing as the man next to me was doing.
02:16:18.000I'm not going to go into specifics, but I mean, just listen to what I'm saying.
02:17:17.000Well, stand right there, we've got a break.
02:17:18.000When we come back, I want to hear about how your life's in danger.
02:17:24.000Then I can go over a few of the cases that were admitted and now public, but we're talking about state-sponsored terror, talking about the government staging attacks, blaming it on enemies, we're talking about the government literally leading the IRA, leading the Orange, leading both sides, leading them into conflict as a pretext to keep the military in place in Northern Ireland.
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02:21:47.000During the break I was looking at MartinIngram.blogspot.com and other websites that have photos and documents up there from Kevin Fulton and Martin Ingram.
02:22:07.000The photos we're looking at, gentlemen, Can you describe some of the images that I've been looking at that we've got linked to up on InfoWars.com?
02:22:16.000Kevin, and can you relate to us how much danger you guys are in for going public?
02:22:23.000Well, do you want me to go first, Alex?
02:24:35.000I mean, at one time, because the army had jamming devices to stop radio signals, I mean, this is used everywhere, the IRA started to work on a flash unit.
02:24:45.000Now, I was actually asked to go to New York to buy some of these units in New York.
02:24:51.000Now, my MI5 military handlers and one special branch officer arranged for safe passage for me to go to New York, which I did.
02:24:59.000There was FBI and Secret Service people there with my handlers.
02:25:04.000You know, I met up with another bomb maker who was on the run from the provisional area.
02:25:31.000And I was a willing tool of the government.
02:25:35.000You know, I would target people who were killing people as well, and I would tell my handlers, thinking that these people would be arrested on a job, on an operation.
02:25:43.000It did happen sometimes, but other times these people were recruited.
02:25:47.000So instead of locking these people up, they actually recruited real terrorists and made them their agents.
02:25:56.000Sure, that's the type of people the government wants, and then you're a real live agent, you're just a nobody to them, and they try to cut loose later, and then you've got government out sponsoring terror.
02:26:07.000How many cases were you aware of, both of you gentlemen, where the government cooked the bomb, or trained the driver, or let the attack go forward for political gain?
02:26:17.000Well, one that springs to mind straight away to me, I wasn't involved with the bomb that went off in Omaha.
02:26:23.000But just before that bomb, and a number of occasions before that, I'd met this same guy, man he is, the ombudsman called him, and he was making bombs, so I would tell my handler, and sure enough within two or three days a bomb would go off locally.
02:26:36.000Three days before the bomb went off in Omagh, I met this guy again, just about ten past twelve after midnight, and he was mixing the bomb.
02:26:52.000So your boss in the IRA is a government agent too and he's making the bomb that they go and then of course the Omaha bomb killed a bunch of people.
02:27:22.000I'd like you both to just have a free-for-all.
02:27:23.000Go back and forth and let's get it all out there and hopefully this can stop more of this activity in the future because disclosing this makes the government suspend their actions.
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02:30:54.000When Martin Ingram, and now Kevin Fulton and many others, started going public in the late 1990s, you notice that IRA bombings just suddenly went away.
02:31:07.000You notice that the pretext for the occupation of Northern Ireland suddenly ended.
02:31:14.000This is why disclosure is so important.
02:31:18.000Because when you've got both sides led and controlled, and in the cases of where low-level IRA who weren't government agents, who really were terrorists, you know, getting kneecapped, getting beat up, getting killed because they refuse to go out and kill people!
02:31:32.000Imagine British agents, get out there and kill!
02:31:49.000And it's order out of chaos, that's what we're talking about here.
02:31:52.000Going back to Kevin Fulton, and of course Martin Ingram, just so people know who Martin is, Martin Ingram is the pseudonym for the ex-British Army soldier who served in the Intelligence Corps and Force Research Unit.
02:32:05.000And he has really exposed the British Army, its operations in Northern Ireland via the Force Research Unit and against Features in the Provisional Irish Republican Army or PIRA.
02:32:19.000And we're going to just leave it right there.
02:32:21.000I've got the encyclopedia here and it's got more on his name and information but we're not going to give you his name here on air today.
02:32:27.000We do have links to both these gentlemen's websites, their blogs, where you can learn more about what they're saying and doing.
02:32:33.000They have really stopped a lot of further killing.
02:32:36.000Gentlemen, and either one of you can take this first, Is my outside analysis and view of this correct?
02:32:44.000That as soon as the fact that British intelligence was running the operations came out, that we saw an almost end or a major drop-off down to almost nothing of terrorist attacks in Northern Ireland and England, supposedly from the IRA?
02:33:09.000Yes, a little bit too simplistic, Alex, and I'll explain why.
02:33:15.000Prior to 99, the Good Friday Agreement was signed in 98.
02:33:19.000Effectively, the war in the North was actually finished by the very early 90s, the 92 to 96 period.
02:33:28.000We saw the odd mainland bombing at Docklands in London and Canary Wharf.
02:33:33.000They were again committed and directed by agents.
02:33:37.000But what effectively happened... Hold on, hold on!
02:33:40.000The bombing that you just mentioned at Canary Wharf, carried out by British agents?
02:33:48.000Yeah, and also the Manchester bombing and the police in Manchester were actually stopped.
02:33:54.000They actually had forensic evidence against the bombers and very controversially have been Stopped, politically stopped, from mounting a prosecution against the bombers, who again were agents of the state.
02:34:09.000So, you know, you can argue why that bombing was carried out, but, you know, at the end of the day it was carried out, and the state has now decided that it does not want to prosecute those involved.
02:34:26.000The operations were kind of ending and they wanted to tie up loose ends and you guys didn't feel like getting killed?
02:34:33.000Not so much getting killed, no, it came about because once we've got, for one thing we've got the internet, so the control of information is very difficult because what I would say, and it is very crucial to the overall conflict, Was that the British government had control over the media?
02:34:55.000And just may I pick up on the point that Kevin raised before the break about OMA and the OMA bombing.
02:35:05.000Well, the British government decided that it would leak certain information to the BBC, the British Broadcasting Corporation, which has a phenomenal
02:35:16.000uh... sort of uh... reputations of the government we're not going back to george r wells day absolutely not what what they did effectively they they have a very uh... high-profile program called panorama you have a similar sort of program in the states and it's the number one flight ship and then number one... it's like sixty minutes it's exactly like sixty minutes and they have their number one reporter a guy, a gentleman who I know very well called John Ware now John Ware
02:35:48.000Basically, he was fed information, and as Kevin outlined, the bomb maker in the Oma bombing, a man, he calls him Man A, I will call him by his real name, Patrick Joseph Meech Blair.
02:36:00.000And he, basically, his telephone was used within 30 seconds of the bombing going off.
02:36:08.000The location where it went off, his phone was used within 30 seconds.
02:36:13.000And they deliberately did not tell the journalists involved in the Panorama Program because they wanted to keep the attention away from the agent who both committed the bomb and also constructed the bomb.
02:36:26.000Now, the journalist was given this information subsequently and he was mystified as to why he was not fed that information.
02:36:37.000Now, what it does go to show is that They, the government, want total control over the media.
02:36:43.000And I would imagine that's the same in the States.
02:36:46.000But it is becoming more and more difficult to control because the advent of the internet has made it almost impossible.
02:36:53.000I myself have a blog, you have a blog, Kevin has a means of getting information out.
02:36:59.000So the old, the old ways of dealing with the situation, frankly, have had to go with the cold war.
02:37:08.000And they're having to design and devise different ways of maintaining that control.
02:37:14.000Okay, well at the risk of being too simplistic again, and you can correct me and enlighten me here, and I also want to get Kevin Fulton's response to all that's been said here and any other caveats or addendums or points he thinks are salient and central for the people to get a good panoramic view, pun intended.
02:37:34.000Looking at this, looking at what Western intelligence does over and over again, you've got pure government-sponsored terror, where the government totally carries out attacks.
02:37:42.000Then you've got real terrorist attacks that are pretty rare, but they do happen where it is, you know, independent groups.
02:37:49.000The most common is the provocateur, where the terrorists are led by government agents, handled by government agents, given weapons by government agents, and then they go out and carry out attacks, and the agents are kept safe, and then even their main terrorists are kept safe, and some normally mentally retarded patsy is sent down the river.
02:38:08.000The majority of bombings in England in the last 30-40 years, which of the three type attacks are the most common?
02:38:18.000I mean, just give me your dead reckoning.
02:38:20.000Which percentage are real terror attacks, what percentage are provocateur, and what percentage are total government?
02:38:28.000Well, just to give you an overview of that situation, the IRA was armed by the Libyans, And the Protestants were armed by a major shipment from South Africa.
02:38:41.000Now both shipments, that is the IRA's Libyan one and the Protestants from South Africa, were both controlled and allowed to proceed by agents.
02:38:59.000Now to answer your question about the majority of high-profile attacks on the mainland, A large proportion, I wouldn't like to put a percentage, but certainly well over 60 or 70 percent would have been involved in the use of agents and would certainly have been preventable if you didn't have the long-term interest.
02:40:31.000And as I said before, sometimes The plans didn't go to plan.
02:40:35.000Now, I've learned since coming away from those things, a lot of the other people who were planning these jobs have also now turned out to be agents as well.
02:41:13.000I've seen operations basically frustrated, the IRA didn't know what was hitting them.
02:41:18.000And I've seen operations that did go ahead, and I mean I would not have known in advance, so I couldn't tell my handlers, but I would tell them afterwards.
02:42:55.000Well, one of the most famous ones was one of my agents, a man called Frank Hegarty.
02:43:01.000Frank Hegarty was responsible for bringing in a very large shipment of Libyan arms.
02:43:07.000And ultimately, it was the largest ever find of arms on the island of Ireland.
02:43:13.000And he was killed by an agent Uh, by Steak Knife and by Martin McGuinness, uh, and who were working together.
02:43:21.000And, effectively, um, there are many, many other agents, uh, Ruby Davidson, you know, there are loads and loads of agents who've been killed by other agents.
02:43:31.000Uh, another one, um, who, Martin McGartland, who was taken to be killed, and he threw himself out of a third floor, uh, set of flats very high up, and, uh, Basically, saved his life by running through a glass pane of window.
02:44:20.000But just to give your viewers an insight into the level of infiltration, one of the most high-profile killings in the North, and I'm certain you've heard of it, Is the murder of Mr. Patrick Finucane?
02:44:32.000The lawyer, the... Basically, out of the nine people that committed that murder, seven are agents of the state.
02:44:43.000And why did the government want him dead?
02:44:46.000Well, it's not so much the government... I know, the criminal elements within the state.
02:44:50.000Yeah, criminal elements within the state because he upset a lot of people within the police and other agencies by defending the rights of IRA men.
02:45:01.000Basically, he was doing his job, but that, you know, effectively was a problem to the state and the state.
02:45:08.000Well, I think right here is the problem with having soldiers involved in domestic activities.
02:45:13.000Soldiers are trained to go kill people.
02:45:30.000It just, I mean, what do you think about the setup of domestic militarized police here in the U.S., and secret police, and secret arrest, and secret torture, and the President openly talking about it?
02:45:44.000Well, it certainly, you have moved away from Some of your fundamental principles, which your democracy is built on, and you do have a Bill of Rights, where we don't have a Bill of Rights in the United Kingdom, and effectively, you know, your rights are enshrined in law.
02:46:03.000Kevin, what do you think of what's happening in this country?
02:46:07.000Well, I mean, to one aspect, yes, I believe in law and order, but I mean, who watches law and order?
02:46:14.000My boss in MI5 used to have a saying, they used to have great sayings, and I always remember, and he used to say, Governments can come and go, but we are always here.
02:46:22.000And I always remember that, but I mean, there are a lot of good policemen, a lot of good everybody, but there is other people who make decisions who, you know, you don't see.
02:46:30.000You know, I found that out the hard way, but thankfully I'm still here at the moment.
02:46:35.000But I mean, I couldn't see the wood for the trees.
02:46:38.000So you were in the middle of it going along until they just decided to kill you to get rid of you?
02:46:44.000And now, what they're doing now is, since I released, the book came out, Unsung Hero, I didn't choose the title, by the way, I mean, I don't class myself as a hero, but they have now started a criminal investigation into my activities.
02:46:57.000I mean, we've seen in the newspapers where the United States government and the British government accused Iran of supplying this infrared technology to the, who are these?
02:47:12.000Well, the thing is, Greg Harkin spoke to himself as a journalist to expose this stuff, and he exposed it in the British newspapers that the IRA basically developed it.
02:47:21.000The British government and the Americans helped an agent of the state, which was me, to purchase the stuff and bring it back, and the IRA shored it out.
02:47:29.000Now, the British government then had to withdraw that comment.
02:47:32.000That's right, and so a lot of the bombs overseas in the Middle East, they're not being triggered by cell phones, it's triggered by infrared, correct?
02:48:01.000You know, some of the stuff that I got in New York, it was coded infrared.
02:48:06.000You punched in a code in your transmitter and the receiver, the code didn't match, it wouldn't work.
02:48:12.000Now these were innocent things for photography.
02:48:15.000But they were re-engineered to set off bombs.
02:48:18.000Yeah, so you're saying right now, that didn't come in from Iran?
02:48:22.000No, that came from IRA British Intelligence.
02:48:26.000Yeah, of course, of course the bombs are British Intelligence in Iraq, or at least that's where it came from.
02:48:31.000I mean, look at British SAS got caught dressed up like Arabs with beards, running around with bombs, shooting people.
02:48:36.000In fact, let me ask you guys about that, what happened in Basra late last year when we get back in the final segment, and then tell us about the book, too.
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02:52:44.000And I appreciate the courage of both these men to go public here on the broadcast to great danger to themselves, but you've heard them to be more dangerous to not go public.
02:54:11.000I don't know how so many criminals have gotten into government and basically set up their own little empires, but it's bad.
02:54:20.000But as Kevin outlined a few minutes ago, it's not so much the governments, because governments can be removed at their own will, but in our system it's the civil service which is there forever and day.
02:55:09.000Well, if you go and visit Jim Fain's website, you will basically be visiting another section of the British government.
02:55:20.000Yeah, that's true, and that's why these people are in control, because they're masters at controlling all sides, and we need to realize that.
02:55:27.000Well, gentlemen, I hope to get you back up in the future to have a longer talk and take calls.
02:55:32.000Thank you for spending time with us this evening.