Bill Christensen is a former senior official of the CIA. He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979. Since then, he has written numerous articles on U.S. foreign policy, and we are joined by him now.
00:00:12.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
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00:00:23.000Well, we're extremely honored to be joined by our guest.
00:00:31.000He came to our attention a few months ago when he wrote a great article titled, Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11th Bill Christensen.
00:00:42.000We'll also take phone calls with our guest.
00:00:46.000He's been a former member of Veterans for Intelligence and Sanity.
00:00:53.000And Bill Christensen is a former senior official of the CIA.
00:00:57.000He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979.
00:01:04.000Since then, he has written numerous articles on U.S.
00:01:07.000foreign policies, and we are joined by him now.
00:01:11.000We have links on InfoWars.com, some of his recent writings, and we're, again, really honored that he's going to spend time with us.
00:01:19.000Well, listen, thank you for having me, very much.
00:01:24.000I'm grieving for our country, the police state it's turning into, how the war on terror is being used to dismantle our Constitution, the drumbeat for war with Iran.
00:01:33.000I want to get your take on all of that and why you've been questioning the official story of 9-11, but first, tell us about Bill Christensen.
00:01:40.000Okay, I did work for the CIA for, oh my goodness, 28 and a half years or so, but I've been long retired.
00:01:55.000I'm a neophyte in this entire business of studying and comprehending, trying to comprehend better, what happened on September 11, 2001.
00:02:08.000And I have to confess to you, and I know you are one of those who has worked his heart out on this issue a lot longer than I have, and you probably know a lot
00:02:21.000A lot more about it than I do, but up to half a year ago, I just wasn't buying any of the concepts that you and a number of others have been urging and advocating, because I just couldn't conceive that this country had any elements in its government
00:02:48.000that would contribute to what happened on September 11 or caused it to happen or allow it to happen.
00:03:01.000And ultimately, just about half a year ago, I decided, well, too many people are talking about this for me to sort of sit here in my little ivory tower and say, I don't believe it.
00:03:17.000And that's when I really began to study and read and it took me some mental agony and it took me probably the better part of the last half year to change my mind.
00:03:35.000There is simply so much evidence available today
00:03:41.000That the official story that the government of the United States and the 9-11 Commission that issued this 500-plus page report, almost the length of a Bible I suppose, a couple of years ago, there is just so much evidence that many parts of this official story are simply wrong and don't match with the facts that
00:04:10.000You know, I'm not pleased or proud with my own activity over the last half dozen years, over five years since September 11th, that it took me this long to wise up.
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00:08:55.000Bill Christensen is a former senior official of the CIA, Central Intelligence Agency.
00:08:59.000He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979.
00:09:07.000And he has been writing and lecturing for many years and doing a lot of radio interviews on the subject of our foreign policy.
00:09:14.000But in the last six months, he has begun to research 9-11.
00:09:17.000He couldn't bring himself to believe that the official story could be a fraud.
00:09:20.000He just talked about that in the last segment.
00:09:22.000And this is the first time he's gone public on radio with the serious concerns that he has concerning an inside job.
00:09:30.000And we're extremely honored that he's chosen to do that here with us today.
00:09:33.000And we appreciate his patriotism in defense of this republic.
00:09:37.000Sir, this is a longer segment, so we've got more time.
00:09:40.000Can you go back through and then expand on your awakening process, where you began to research?
00:09:45.000where you began to look at the official story and discover that it was a fable.
00:09:49.000And then I want to tie it into the Iraq War.
00:09:52.000And we talked during the break, and we discussed how 9-11 has really been a foundational event for the entire geopolitical strategy that's being carried out by the neocons and their corporate owners and handlers.
00:10:10.000Well, listen, thanks a lot for the opportunity.
00:10:12.000Anyway, though, I spent the first four and a half years after September 11 just not willing to believe in the possibility that the story, the official stories we were being given about what happened on 9-11 the official stories we were being given about what happened on 9-11 could in any way be I just wasn't going to believe that about our own Government.
00:10:42.000And ultimately, just about half a year ago, it dawned on me that not only was I trying to avoid an issue that might be extraordinarily important, more important than any other issue affecting U.S.
00:10:58.000policies, but that I hadn't even been studying the issue because I just decided it couldn't be true, so therefore, don't waste your time on it, Bill.
00:11:11.000So I started to spend my time on it about half a year ago, and a few people whom I knew encouraged me to do that.
00:11:20.000A lot of people told me they thought I was ridiculous to be wasting my time on that, but I have since decided that the, and this is after a good deal of heartache on my part, and a good deal of
00:11:40.000Wondering how this country could have gone so badly wrong when I then came to see that at least some elements in this U.S.
00:11:54.000government of ours had contributed in some way or other to causing 9-11 to happen, or at least allowing it to happen, making it easier for it to happen,
00:12:10.000Making sure it happened in a way that would be very, very impressive to the world at large and would, in fact, be seen as another Pearl Harbor type of event that changed everything about the United States 65 years ago.
00:12:28.000Did your decision to really start researching 9-11 six months ago, Mr. Christensen, did that come as an epiphany or was it a process?
00:12:40.000Yeah, well, I guess when you use the word epiphany you mean it's something that sort of happens instantly or overnight or something like that.
00:12:51.000So I'm not using that word epiphany, but just simply the more that I read about and tried to understand everything that had happened on 9-11 and saw
00:13:09.000All the objections to the official story that people such as you and a number of others who had really been working sort of in the wilderness on this for the whole time since September 11, or shortly thereafter, the more I began to read and study, the more I discovered that I just had to conclude, yes indeed, there were
00:13:39.000Parts, at least parts, of the official story issued by the U.S.
00:13:44.000government and issued by the long, over 500 page report of the 9-11 Commission, there were parts of those official stories.
00:13:57.000That simply did not jive with the facts.
00:14:00.000If you study the official story, they constantly change their story, they lie, and there's hundreds of points.
00:14:07.000The FBI grabbing the flight recorders and telling the firemen that found it to shut up, ordering the FAA to shred tapes, public officials warn not to fly, NORAD, Clearly standing down.
00:14:46.000We've now discovered An Air Force document from 97, Gulliver's prevails where they're saying we need a massive terror attack in 2002 to unify the US for global empire.
00:15:01.000I mean, what was it out of that field?
00:15:03.000And of course there's hundreds of other points.
00:15:05.000I guess my question is first, You've been denying it, avoiding it, not looking at it.
00:15:10.000What did you first see, or when did you finally say, okay, I'll look at it, and then what was that process like, and what were the points that were really most important to you?
00:15:18.000You know, I guess the very first thing that made me really wonder was, and this is, I suppose, kind of elementary to you, but the size of the hole that was made in the Pentagon.
00:15:34.000And there was a picture in the New York Times the very next day, September 12th of 2001.
00:15:41.000And so I guess that was point number one with me.
00:15:51.000Now this is just sort of coincidence, I suppose.
00:15:57.000And then when you begin to read all of the details, and by the way, I have to tell you that David Gray Griffin's books have been an immense help to me because he has done a very careful job of writing this up and his views have gradually grown stronger from his first book to the current one, which I had just completed.
00:16:26.000Yeah, he's now saying clearly an inside job.
00:16:29.000Well, yeah, I know, I know he is, and he's gotten, his views have become stronger, and you just have to look at that guy, and you know he is not a fly-by-night analyst by any stretch of the imagination.
00:16:46.000He probably has the kind of personality which does everything with great care and caution.
00:16:55.000And so, in any case, His stuff has had some influence on me.
00:17:04.000But, you know, after what happened at the Pentagon, you begin to read up on the evidence behind the belief that the reason the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions.
00:17:27.000Rather than just being hit by two airplanes and that there's a third building that the 9-11 Commission apparently never even mentioned that also collapsed all the way to ground.
00:17:42.000And all of the characteristics of these explosions show that they almost had to be controlled
00:17:56.000rather than something that happened because they're hit by an airplane and here you have one of the three buildings that collapsed not hit by any airplane so that was number two and then you start looking at all the NORAD stuff and the way the 9-11 commission handled the hour and 45 minutes or so when not a single one of these planes according to the official story Was it ever intercepted?
00:18:28.000Maybe Flight 93 was intercepted in Western Pennsylvania, but this kind of evidence just builds and builds and builds.
00:18:43.000I think some of the strongest, Mr. Christensen, is that we know that U.S.
00:18:47.000Embassy heads were told to let some of the supposed hijackers, including Ada, back in.
00:18:51.000When they wouldn't let them in, they got calls from the State Department saying that their terror listings were covers for covert operations.
00:19:00.000They were involved in anti-terror operations.
00:19:02.000Then we have all these news articles with them being trained in covert operations at U.S.
00:19:11.000Yeah, you're absolutely right, and there are, as I started this off by saying, I was a neophyte compared to you and a number of other people, and that's absolutely true.
00:19:21.000I know out there, because I've heard of it, that there are a lot of things I haven't even studied yet.
00:19:29.000Well let me be clear on this Bill, you're here because you're a great former CIA analyst, and it's a story of your courage now going public, and another example, another prominent person who has a prestigious past looking at the evidence and questioning it very strongly.
00:19:57.000I want to talk about how 9-11 was used for foreign policy.
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00:24:48.000I don't want to think a bunch of psychopathic killers are in control.
00:24:51.000But when you look at Operation Northwoods and PNAC documents, and then you look at all the evidence, physical on 9-11, there's no other.
00:24:59.000I mean, if you really rationally study it, which I've done for thousands of hours over the years, it is horrifying.
00:25:07.000I've made three films on the subject, and I've written a book on the subject, and it's just terrible.
00:25:14.000Mr. Christensen, also, I want to get your take on, we've been lied to about WMDs, the documents have come out, White House memo that they premeditatedly lied, not just Downing Street memo.
00:25:24.000We know that over three trillion dollars is missing from the Pentagon in the last seven years, and I've seen congressional testimony where Rumsfeld says, we're not going to tell you where it is.
00:25:34.000There is mass no-bid contract looting going on.
00:25:38.000There are all sorts of scandals going on, but I mean, really, I see a dictatorship forming here, but we've been lied to so many times in the past by these people, and they've done so many horrible things, and they've lied us into war that's killed 3,000 U.S.
00:25:55.000I mean, it's not much of a stretch from the get-go to believe that criminal elements of our government wouldn't be involved in 9-11.
00:26:02.000No, and you simply have to ask yourself, where did all this come from?
00:26:11.000You almost have to answer your own question now.
00:26:15.000Well, it came from the events of 9-11.
00:26:18.000And even if there is only a 10% chance that elements of the U.S.
00:26:26.000government were involved in contributing to 9-11, making sure that those events worked more effectively than they might have otherwise
00:26:39.000It is just appalling the conclusion you come to that elements within our own government are responsible not only for the deaths that occurred on September 11, but responsible for terribly bad policies throughout the entire
00:27:03.000Middle East and those policies are still being pursued and all of this is going to hurt the United States of America.
00:27:12.000Very badly, and not just a few years to come, but in decades to come.
00:27:18.000Yeah, it's destroying our good name, our economy, but it's good for the oil companies and the arms manufacturers, and they're international.
00:27:44.000But as David Ray Griffin has said, when you then look at all the facts and lay them side by side, a very clear picture emerges of not just letting it happen or aiding it.
00:27:55.000The evidence emerges that this was coordinated and clearly run out of the bowels of a quasi-private slash governmental black operations, black world system.
00:28:06.000Give us your view with a You know, I think the odds are that Griffin is right and that it is a total inside job.
00:28:12.000say the four or five scenarios that Griffin uses, he says he believes it's the latter, pure inside job.
00:28:18.000What do you think with all the evidence laid in the end? - You know, I think the odds are that Griffin is right and that it is a total inside job.
00:28:31.000I can conceive of a situation, and this is where we need, we just need more evidence, but it's gonna come out.
00:28:40.000I can conceive of a situation where we, the U.S.
00:28:46.000government, learned in advance that September 11 was going to take place.
00:28:52.000And instead of instigating the whole thing, the U.S.
00:28:58.000government, who are nameless at this point, took the information That this was going to happen and made sure by their own actions that it happened in the most effective way possible.
00:29:20.000So greasing the skids and ordering the FBI and Army Intelligence and the CIA to back off and leave the people alone?
00:29:28.000And ordering the Air Force somehow to not go after these planes and Uh, the whole business of the three billion dollars, I'm sorry, the three trillion dollars... Stay there, stay there.
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00:34:12.000The reason it's so important To spread the word about 9-11 is because when you consciously realize that cold-blooded killers are in control and have seized control, have hijacked our government, elements of our government, and are using it to domestically set up a police state, to internationally turn us into an empire and invade foreign countries, and then hand over the seized assets to multinational corporations.
00:34:40.000When you realize that, you understand that we're trying to save lives here, the lives of our troops, The bodies of our troops, you know, countless others being wounded and maimed and triple and double and quad amputees.
00:34:53.000At the same time, justice for those that have been killed.
00:34:56.000The media loves to... I had the BBC here last week and they're like, what about the victims' families?
00:36:01.000I want to go back to our guest, Bill Christensen.
00:36:03.000But Bill, and of course you're a former big-time analyst for the CIA, heading up one of their entire research divisions.
00:36:11.000But putting your analytical skills and your analysis skills to work here, Not just internationally, but the domestic police state we see unfolding and the announcements by the mouthpieces on Fox News that people who criticize the government are really traitors and should be arrested.
00:36:45.000Others have done a lot longer than I have, and I admire you for doing it, and I'm sorry I've been so slow in doing it.
00:36:54.000The fact is, as we were talking a little bit earlier, David Griffin believes this ball is totally an inside job.
00:37:05.000I've got to say, I think that is the most likely possibility, too.
00:37:09.000I would say some of the people involved, obviously, May have had some subsidiary motives like the man in New York who owned a Building 7 and had a lease on the other two and had a great big new insurance policy that he had bought just a little bit before what happened on September 7th.
00:37:34.000Yeah, and then there at the Pentagon, $2.3 trillion somehow Lost and very conveniently all of the evidence of that seems to have been Have been damaged or totally ruined?
00:37:53.000I mean, let's talk about those numbers.
00:37:54.000It was a trillion-something when Bush got into office.
00:38:19.000This is just an appalling amount that really ought to be unbelievable.
00:38:27.000But you have to say, there is evidence that that is indeed the case.
00:38:35.000This is what I meant by a subsidiary motive that some of these guys must have had.
00:38:41.000Well you know that was breaking the week before and there was a huge scandal and then 9-11 took place.
00:38:47.000It was starting to break and I think somebody simply decided to capitalize knowing that 9-11 was going to happen and maybe was already being instigated by the U.S.
00:39:03.000I think Probably the total inside job is the most likely possibility, but I'm just holding my judgment on that.
00:39:13.000And by U.S., let's be clear here, and of course you've studied this as well, compartmentalized black ops contracting out to private agencies?
00:39:23.000There's obviously a whale of a lot of that going on, and that never happened in my time when I was officially working.
00:39:32.000I'm really pretty much of an old geezer these days, but this privatization of so much of the intelligence establishment, so much of the military establishment, just opens up greater possibilities for fraud.
00:39:53.000I don't see how we're saving any money by going that route, frankly.
00:40:45.000We don't, you and I, at least I, don't really have a good feel If we have a group of people willing to actually use nuclear weapons on Iran, introducing an entire new element into the situation, crossing this massive threshold of using nuclear weapons... Super Rubicon!
00:41:16.000And neither you nor I can sit here and say, We know for sure that the arrogant guys who are doing this are sure to lose.
00:41:27.000You and I, at least I, can't say that.
00:41:30.000I hope they're going to lose, and I think they're going to lose, and they're going to create a world of such chaos that in the end, yes, they will lose.
00:41:42.000But the thing is, if they lose only over a long period of time, And kill thousands upon thousands of people in the process because they think shock and awe is the way to go.
00:42:06.000There are some encouraging things happening.
00:42:08.000We have a whole bunch of top generals, even former Republicans, going public saying this is sheer madness.
00:42:13.000We have large sections of the elite, even at globalist meetings like the Bilderberg Group, yelling at each other across the tables.
00:42:20.000For the first time in history, there's a major split, even in the Anglo-American power axis.
00:42:26.000And take Cy Hirsch and even the Times of London.
00:42:30.000We have so many whistleblowers that within days, Of Cheney having a meeting with the top Israeli brass saying Bush wants us to be a curtain raiser for war with Iran within days.
00:42:43.000So that shows that people at the highest levels are leaking right now at a great danger to themselves with the NSA's snooping arms aimed at them.
00:42:54.000I think that is another Achilles heel that there are so many people Unnamed, who aren't going public like yourself, who are in the mechanisms, in the machinery of power that are going to blow the whistle.
00:43:28.000Broken through, and been able to affect this apathy very much.
00:43:34.000And I don't know if you have actually read it yet, but if you haven't, get a hold of it.
00:43:40.000The text of the speech that Bush just gave yesterday, I mean, he is talking about widening this war right in this speech that he gave yesterday.
00:44:30.000They've got their back against the wall again, so in the Ponzi scheme they've got to blow it up even larger.
00:44:35.000They've got their back against the wall and they're already starting to blow it up larger.
00:44:42.000And we ought to, right now, today and every single day, be out there in the streets and just raising holy hell
00:44:56.000about this because you know you can say okay Hitler actually had to lose once he started the invasion of Soviet Union but the fact is millions and millions of people died in the process of that and one of the things we ought to be doing is out there trying to stop the same thing from happening we are going to have another world war
00:45:25.000Very likely, if the United States and or Israel, or the two of them combined, start a bigger war, even if it's not nuclear, it's going to be a bigger war.
00:45:41.000Iran, as I'm sure you know, has a population of 70 million people.
00:45:52.000And they've been building up their weapons for the last...
00:45:56.00015, 16 years since the Iran-Iraq war ended.
00:45:58.000They weren't bombed into stone age as Iraq was in 1991.
00:46:04.000I hope people realize we literally stand at the crossroads, at the threshold of history right now, the next two months to the next year, but sooner rather than later, many analysts believe.
00:46:16.000You have a chance to stop World War III.
00:46:19.000That's exactly what we have a chance to do and we better work on it.
00:46:25.000With so many analysts, the majority of analysts, globally, not just in the US, and people inside the administration saying, back off, don't do it.
00:46:34.000I mean, even if they just do a conventional bombardment of the 214 sites in Iran, all of the mainstream oil analysts are saying that we're going to see $6 a gallon gas for at least four or five months.
00:46:47.000If that happens, it is the mainstream analysis that we're going to go into a violent recession that could spiral into stagflation and possible depression.
00:46:58.000Yeah, and you know, as well as I do, The oil companies of this country and the world really don't want that.
00:47:05.000That is, all of these people who go around saying, we're doing this for oil, well, in a very indirect sense, we're doing it to get more control of the world's energy supplies.
00:47:19.000I understand that, everybody understands that, but the oil companies don't want war with Iran any more than You and I want it.
00:47:30.000have even gone over, and I believe this information has come out and told them, back off, but the neocons aren't.
00:47:36.000I mean, they are, well I've talked to a lot of people who've worked with them, Ray McGovern and many others, I don't know how much you've worked with them, but I mean, these people really are nutcases.
00:47:46.000They're not backing off at all, and we cannot sit here, you and I, and say, we know that They're going to lose this if they do start this war because we don't know what effect a major nuclear attack would have.
00:48:07.000By the way, Israel has ordered the missiles with the bunker-busting tips that are designed to have many nukes put in their warheads.
00:48:47.000Well, look, I'm dead sure that there are people both in our own military-industrial complex and people in the smaller but still very powerful and large Israeli military-industrial complex who work closely together, day after day, month after month.
00:49:07.000This, right now, is joint U.S.-Israeli policy.
00:49:27.000If they start World War III, the Allied Defense contractors, hardware manufacturers are going to be able to steer even more of the economy through their coppers and then use the domestic police state in the name of security to then also service all those contracts.
00:49:44.000So they enslave us, they enslave the world, and then they make the profits off of the domestic police state as well.
00:49:52.000And eventually they lose because no empire is going to last long in this day and age in the world today When the world is so much smaller than it used to be in terms of communications, the way you can spend money... Why do you think the government... Well, I agree.
00:50:10.000Why do you think the government is spending more money than all presidents before it combined?
00:50:13.000I mean, it's as if they know the economy's going to implode, the bubble's going to pop, and they're trying to get all they can now.
00:50:21.000As you say, in some ways these guys are crazy.
00:50:26.000And we, I can't say this, and I know I'm repeating myself, I can't say it more than that we've got to get out there and somehow turn aside this apathy that most people in this country seem to have on this.
00:50:45.000Well, we've had it too good, too long, and decadent, fat countries always get taken over by dictators, and people always pay for their apathy.
00:50:56.000We'll come back and take some calls for our guest, an incredible interview.
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00:54:13.000The problem is the analysts are telling the black ops squads that they're not going to get away with this.
00:54:19.000But just like Hitler's generals told him he shouldn't go east, the neocons are in control and they're going forward.
00:54:27.000And we have got to put our full weight against the machine to stop this.
00:54:31.000We'll keep our esteemed guests for five minutes into the next hour.
00:54:34.000We'll try to go to all your calls right now.
00:54:37.000Andrew in Canada, then Rob, Robert, Josh and others.
00:54:39.000Go ahead Andrew, you're on the air with Bill Christensen, retired senior CIA analyst.
00:54:45.000Hi, I first want to commend Mr. Christensen for coming out and having the courage to talk about this.
00:54:53.000I would just like to know if he talked about this with others and what were their response to him and also what would he say to the CIA or NSA that are listening right now to this radio show and also if he could talk about what would happen to the CIA that might have been involved and if they talk about classified missions and I'll let you guys answer.
00:55:19.000Yeah, listen, I appreciate your comments.
00:55:23.000And the first thing you've got to understand is I've been retired for a lot of years.
00:55:31.000I've been out of Washington since 1979 and don't really want to go back there either.
00:55:40.000But all I can really say is that there is so much money now sloshing around Throughout not only the CIA, but the intelligence components of the Defense Department, which are actually bigger than the CIA.
00:56:02.000Well, in comparison with the amount of money spent, yes, it is really amazingly small, but the fact is there's so much money around that these guys can do Almost anything they want these days.
00:56:22.000Now, this is, again, I haven't been there for a lot of years.
00:57:18.000Probably the reason I'm willing right now to stick my neck out is one, I've been retired for a long time, I got no more kids to go through college, I got no more big expenses in my life, I have no desire to go any higher in my status in life or be any richer than I am right now.
00:57:42.000It's easy, it's easy for me at my age To stick my neck out?
00:57:48.000Well, I think it's easier, but let's be clear here.
00:57:51.000The path we're going down is certain wreck and ruin if we don't go public.
00:57:56.000And I want people inside government who rationalize, who make excuses for themselves, who have seen things that deep down you know it's an inside job.
01:01:26.000Because we have a foreign enemy who has attacked us, and has been attacking us since 1979, and hit the World Trade Center in 1993, and tells us they want to kill us again and again.
01:01:35.000And instead of Um, looking at the people who really killed them, uh, we, they want to use it for a political point to, uh, to bash George Bush and, and blame our country.
01:01:46.000You know, it's awfully easy to talk about technicalities.
01:01:48.000Well, you think, well, I mean, let's start with that.
01:02:35.000Because you go from questions to conclusions without anything in between.
01:02:40.000And because you keep changing your story.
01:02:44.000Mr. Mosley, you can go out and find crazy people that think no planes hit the towers and then try to strawman claim them that we, quote, keep changing our story.
01:02:53.000I haven't changed my story from before 9-11.
01:02:55.000And I asked you yesterday, I said, have you heard of Operation Northwoods?
01:03:00.000And you said that you had heard me talk about it, but that you didn't know about it.
01:03:04.000Shouldn't you go find out if my claim about an official U.S.
01:03:07.000government document to carry out 9-11 style attacks, shouldn't you go find out if that exists or you just decide that doesn't exist?
01:03:14.000Well, I don't believe it exists, but I think that most of the argument here is the fallacy of the possible.
01:03:21.000You say because it could have happened, therefore it did.
01:03:24.000No, sir, you just said you don't believe Northwoods exists, but you're not going to investigate it.
01:03:28.000Well, I could, but how would, you know, do you... My dear Congress, sir, it is ABC News, ABC News, Baltimore Sun, declassified in April of 2000.
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01:08:07.000Conclusively, right off CIA.gov, Library of Congress, Members of Parliament, government experts, their own documents where the government admits they carry out hundreds of terror attacks.
01:08:27.000You do that by blowing the fake conservatives politically out of the water, showing how they control the liberals, how Hillary's on the payroll, Clinton's on the payroll.
01:08:36.000You expose how they're terrorists and we can defeat them together.
01:08:39.000We can actually get the country back instead of being pacified by these government operatives out there that pose as conservatives.
01:08:45.000And then you've got the well-meaning folks out there.
01:08:47.000Like Jonathan Mosley, who joins us now.
01:08:51.000Mr. Mosley, you've got the floor, you've written this big article, 9-1-1 Bush-bashers.
01:08:55.000Tell us how we're all wrong, tell us why we're smirching, profaning, to use your language, the memory of the 3,000 dead on 9-11.
01:09:03.000Well, one of the biggest things that upsets me about this is that the effect of this is to not guard us against a real enemy.
01:09:11.000Now, if there are other enemies and other people we need to bring to justice, that's fine.
01:09:14.000But we know we have an enemy out there that wants to kill us.
01:09:17.000And the effect of this is saying, drop your guard.
01:09:20.000It's like a boxer letting his guard down so he can get walloped again.
01:09:24.000Now, I know that from your perspective, you don't want to be blamed for what other conspiracy theorists are saying about this.
01:09:30.000And one of the points I make is that there's a mishmash of different theories out there.
01:09:36.000And as a consequence of that, people say, oh, there's overwhelming evidence.
01:09:39.000But the overwhelming evidence is all contradicting each other.
01:09:43.000From your perspective, you want to be held accountable for your beliefs, but from the perspective of the country and people listening, they're hearing it all.
01:09:50.000I don't know how to respond to that, but we keep hearing all this craziness go back and forth, and it does keep changing when they encounter facts, they just switch to another argument.
01:10:02.000There is only one official story, but there's hundreds of alternatives, which of course can't all be wrong.
01:10:09.000But the thing is, is that There are several formats here of what happened.
01:10:15.000What got me into this, you know, considering what their memory of Barbara Olsen, who I knew, is to hear these facts being asserted.
01:10:21.000And then you go back and you check on them, and the initial fact turns out to be false.
01:10:25.000Now, I don't know, that might not be true of your arguments, but it's true of an awful lot of the stuff out there.
01:10:30.000Beginning with the idea that, you know, there's a 16-foot hole in the Pentagon, when the engineers measured it at 90 feet, and there's hundreds of eyewitnesses.
01:10:50.000The other thing is that what bothers me most is that people say, well, this is not plausible.
01:10:54.000They then suggest something that's infinitely less plausible.
01:10:58.000That there are thousands of people with no motivation to keep quiet who've all kept silent, including civilian radar operators and airline personnel.
01:11:08.000The airlines lost billions of dollars.
01:11:13.000If you're going to argue from the idea that something is not plausible, I think the alternative needs to stand up to your own yardstick.
01:11:20.000Okay, stop right there, because you said three minutes, and I want to run over what you just said briefly, and then I'll let you continue to spout that stuff.
01:11:29.000Number one, you say people wouldn't keep quiet.
01:11:32.000FBI agent Robert Wright got up on C-SPAN at the National Press Club and held up a letter where he'll be threatened under national security for treason.
01:11:41.000If he tells the public what he knows, he begins crying and breaks down and says, all I can tell you is, the Bush's vacation with the Bin Ladens.
01:11:51.000And then we get the memorandum from the President, W199I, ordering The FBI and CIA and Defense Intelligence, Able Danger, which we now have even more on, to back off the Bin Laden operations in Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as HU Khan Laboratories in Pakistan developing hydrogen weapons and delivery systems, and it's now all on record.
01:12:14.000And I'm sure with that you'll say it doesn't exist.
01:12:17.000I'm sorry, everything I just said does exist in triplicate mainstream news.
01:12:21.000Also, There were countless other FBI and other government people who were threatened with arrest if they wouldn't shut up.
01:12:28.000When a colonel blew the whistle, they tried to charge him for $67 of unauthorized cell phone calls to his wife.
01:12:35.000This is the type of stuff that's going on.
01:12:36.000They threaten civil Edmonds with arrest.
01:12:41.000Also, don't try to say they couldn't keep something this big secret.
01:12:44.000They used drills to smokescreen it, compartmentalize inside these different government agencies, and they kept the Manhattan Project secret with over 100,000 employees for four years, and other facets of it secret.
01:12:59.000Then you say Pentagon, which I've always said is a honeypot by design, and I haven't messed with it, but I've stated on record that clearly what they show on the news is a 16-foot hole.
01:13:08.000Then it collapses, and it is 75 to 95 feet, depending on which thing you talk about.
01:13:13.000Then you talk about how we have all these different stories, but the government has one unified story.
01:13:19.000They've given five different reasons for Building 7 falling.
01:13:23.000They said there were no steel columns in the middle of Tower 1 and 2, and they have the biggest columns you can put in a building that size.
01:13:32.000You've got the entire commission being called independent, being appointed by George Bush.
01:13:36.000You've got a bunch of the commission on the Carlisle Group payroll, Zellacal and the rest of them.
01:13:41.000I'm going to stop right there and I'm just going to add that a lot of these people putting out the no planes at the Pentagon thing, I predicted stuff like this would happen.
01:13:49.000This is a classic setup where they put out ridiculous disinfo on purpose, building straw men, a lot of these are operatives, so then you guys can come discredit false stories.
01:13:58.000Go ahead, you've got three more minutes.
01:14:00.000Okay, well of course we kept the Manhattan Project secret because the people working on it knew it was in favor of their country and were patriots.
01:14:08.000No one watching the mass murder on television Remember, the World Trade Center site was owned by the firefighters for weeks.
01:14:43.000To demolish the building the way I understand it is argued, you have to have 43,000 demolition devices, 236 steel columns around the outside.
01:14:57.000Um, then you times 80 or 90 floors, because you wouldn't know which floor... Well, that's not true.
01:15:01.000It would take a few hundred devices in Tower 1, which is larger explosives, and it would take several hundred devices in Building 7 with the classic bottom-down, uh, crimp blow.
01:15:11.000Well, of course, the news footage shows it falling from the top down.
01:15:15.000No controlled demolition in history has ever been from the top down.
01:16:26.000The metal was cut off perfectly in two-story and one-story sections, perfectly sliced.
01:16:33.000Then they said, "No cameras, no photos." Well, how would they do that without 43,000 separate demolition devices?
01:16:41.000Major companies could have wired each one of those towers in two weeks apiece.
01:16:45.000They had major drills, they had evacuations, they had major floors closed down, they had all sorts of weird people.
01:16:50.000I've talked to the janitorial staff that were in there, just like Oklahoma City that Clinton pulled off when they caught the different guys in there with the, quote, grey sticks of butter drilling the columns.
01:17:02.000They told them they were maintenance people.
01:17:04.000Well, and you would have to drill the columns because you would have to put the explosive directly against the steel.
01:17:19.000And you'd need miles of wire, and demolition experts have looked at that and said you always have to... No, you don't need miles of wire.
01:17:24.000You can go out with a synchronized radio beacon.
01:17:27.000Okay, but you couldn't synchronize different floors that way with... Have you ever tried to take a radio inside of a... No, you have different layers on different radio frequencies.
01:17:35.000Have you ever tried to take a radio inside of a big steel building?
01:17:38.000Sir, the government has all sorts of systems and they use radio a lot on these buildings.
01:17:43.000Okay, but steel doesn't... You're not answering building 7, sir.
01:18:02.000Wait a minute, Building 7 was the classic where you blow out the central column, then you blow out the outside columns, and it falls in on itself perfectly.
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01:23:13.000We've also got Barry Homish listening.
01:23:16.000And I'll try to get him on the next segment, and maybe I'll just try to keep our guests the entire hour, because people are just going wild to hear this.
01:23:22.000I would just add on the imploding and falling buildings.
01:23:25.000No modern steel building had ever collapsed from fire.
01:23:27.000He claims one that did, but that was a separate, smaller, older construction.
01:23:32.000And, I mean, you know, top scientists, the University of Edinburgh is on record in BBC saying one's never fallen.
01:23:38.000They just tried to burn a building down over a month period with different experiments, and they couldn't do it.
01:24:15.000There's a terrorist attack that hit it that affected all three so that's not surprising but the thing is is The McCormick, look, people say no building ever fell from fire alone.
01:24:25.000I got on the internet five minutes later, it came up with a dozen that have partially or totally collapsed.
01:24:41.000Right now, I want to give Professor Fetzer, who you really hit the hardest in here, A chance to ask you some questions.
01:24:50.000Professor Fetzer, go ahead and make your statements.
01:24:53.000Yes, many of the claims this guy made during this internet exchange were actually corrected online.
01:24:57.000He nevertheless went ahead and put them, even knowing better, knowing that they were false or blunders, he nevertheless included them in his article.
01:25:04.000Now, this guy, for example, McCormick Place was a convention center.
01:25:08.000It wasn't a steel structure high rise with welded and redundant features like the Twin Towers.
01:25:13.000So, he simply pretends he doesn't know the difference.
01:25:15.000If he doesn't know the difference, he's incompetent.
01:25:17.000If he does know the difference, he's corrupt.
01:25:19.000He's been fanatical, even obsessive, about posting attacks on members of Scholars.
01:25:24.000I did a search, for example, Alex, on recent Mosley posts.
01:25:32.000On the 15th of August, he posted 15 attacks.
01:25:35.000His typical style was to post, then as soon as there was a response, he'd post again immediately.
01:25:40.000His whole style was immature and juvenile.
01:25:43.000If he was advancing serious arguments about our findings, they might have been justified in spite of that, but they committed elementary fallacies.
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01:32:20.000I sent him an email and asked him about his background because he was acting in such an obsessive, compulsive fashion.
01:32:26.000And I truly believe this had to be a child.
01:32:28.000In fact, I would insist that this man, he may be older, but he acts like a child.
01:32:33.000And I suggest that this person, if I had to guess, was about 15 years old, very bright, probably Jewish, possibly a resident of Brooklyn, attending a scientific technological high school.
01:32:44.000Who believes he's superior to everyone else and has an obsession to try to prove it, but I was commenting on his behavior, not the subject of his speech.
01:32:53.000Second of all, here's a couple of examples of the shoddy quality of his argument.
01:32:57.000He says the Twin Towers can't have come down as a result of controlled demolition because they blow out the first and second floors so the building falls down into its own footprint.
01:33:06.000But I pointed out to him online, before he published this article, that was an equivocation He's just talking about the standard kind of controlled demolition, as in the case of Building 7.
01:33:15.000I pointed out then and emphasized, we're talking about a special kind of controlled demolition.
01:33:19.000It's still a controlled demolition, just because it's from the top down.
01:33:22.000It's not the standard kind, that's all.
01:33:24.000But Building 7 was from the bottom down.
01:33:27.000Yeah, Building 7 was a standard controlled demolition, just like we see in Las Vegas.
01:33:30.000A few minutes ago he was saying that wasn't the case.
01:34:30.000You go back and say, no, it didn't fall exactly like a controlled demolition.
01:34:34.000Now he's saying it's a special controlled demolition that nobody's ever seen before.
01:34:37.000Okay, but the original thesis was, we're suspicious because it looks like a controlled demolition when it doesn't.
01:34:43.000Well, but that's stupid because... Mr. Moley, let me say something.
01:34:47.000Sir, we say that because the firefighters reported bombs and explosions, and they reported squibs, and on all the videos, 7, 1, and 2, you see the blast points, sir.
01:36:34.000I mean, if you don't have to... That's like saying, if you have a theory of the speed of light, and just because ten people are wrong about their theory, including the government's story, one of them is right.
01:36:45.000So, yeah, to say, because there's an argument, every form of science and research and, you know, detectives at a cop shop, they're going to be disagreeing, but somebody's going to be right.
01:36:55.000You know, as I pointed out to Professor Fetzer online, that They claim to have evidence proving all of these different inconsistent theories.
01:37:04.000And if there is evidence proving all of them... That's interpretive!
01:37:21.000This guy could not get through a critical thinking class that I teach to our freshmen.
01:37:26.000Well, I hope you take that course, because you can't stay on one topic.
01:37:29.000Well, sir, can you specifically, going back to Jones, can you specifically tell us where, well, number one, you are saying here that he agreed with the overthrow of the government, and I've watched those tapes over and over again.
01:37:45.000Can you specifically tell me what Jones said?
01:37:48.000Yes, he was asked, is there a way to achieve our goals without a violent overthrow?
01:37:53.000He then echoed the Declaration of Independence preamble, which is a call for revolution, by deliberately echoing the language and format, which is an argument for revolution, and then ended up saying, there is no peaceful way to achieve our means.
01:38:08.000This is completely false and misleading.
01:38:10.000He said we have to follow the Constitution.
01:38:11.000Well, we're going to get the exact clip and we're going to post it.
01:38:14.000We're doing a big story on this because You know, this goes into the psychology of people like Mr. Mosley.
01:38:22.000But again, I can't help but appreciate him.
01:38:24.000Jim, at least he will come on and debate us and go head-to-head with us.
01:39:44.000It was the premier exhibition hall in America.
01:39:47.000And under ordinary fire, in 30 minutes, the steel failed.
01:39:50.000Now the issue is not... You're talking about a lightly built convention center that has an umbrella roof and is not a heavy supportive structure.
01:39:59.000Those things are outward husk and then have a light topping cheap construction.
01:40:49.000In fact, there was a fire in 1975 in the North Tower on the 13th of February that burned much hotter and much longer.
01:40:58.000The firefighters reported that in both towers the fires were almost out and to call up more ladders to save the people and there were people standing in the holes right for minutes waiting for help without burning or without being singed Begging for helicopter rescue that never came, inches away from pillars, that seconds later, as they talked on cell phones, blew up.
01:41:23.000Now go ahead, we gotta give him some time, go ahead and finish up what you were saying, Jonathan.
01:41:28.000The same underwriters lab, in their study of World Trade Center, cited McCormick Place and other, a dozen other steel structures that have partially or completely failed.
01:41:36.000For the proposition, in Underwriters Lab's view, that structural steel does melt.
01:41:40.000No, they told the engineers that did the study to shut up and lie, and they wouldn't do it, so they got fired.
01:41:45.000Nope, the Underwriters Lab, because Mr. Fetzer... Jim, Jim!
01:41:49.000Professor Fetzer is, again, changing the subject.
01:42:09.000It cannot have suffered from a pancake kind of collapse.
01:42:13.000I got a structural engineer on this website to correct him on McCormick Place and on the capacity of the Twin Towers to subject to pancake collapse.
01:42:22.000When this guy is corrected, he just goes ahead and repeats his own phony arguments, whether they commit equivocation or logical blunders or no matter what.
01:42:30.000He has the mind of a 15-year-old and he's obsessed to prove himself correct, no matter how wrong he may be.
01:42:36.000That's because Professor Fetz comes back with DREC.
01:42:39.000He talks about melting steel instead of structural collapse.
01:42:42.000Well, sir, listen, the University of Edinburgh, with their top engineers, for a month every day, tried to burn down a 24-story steel building, similar construction.
01:42:53.000They couldn't get anything to even weaken.
01:42:56.000All they could get was sheetrock to cave in.
01:43:17.000Listen, it's been well known that buildings are safe.
01:43:20.000Listen, listen, listen, Edinburgh's doing these tests because they say this changes insurance everything.
01:43:25.000If buildings will suddenly collapse from kerosene, coal-burning fuel, black, burning, you know, smoke, low-oxygen flames, and you can run through this stuff, if this is the case, then the laws of physics have been suspended.
01:43:39.000Did they hit it with 104 tons of aircraft traveling 540 miles per hour?
01:43:55.000I've pointed out repeatedly that Frank DiMartini, who was the construction manager on the World Trade Center, had observed that they were designed to withstand the impact of the largest then commercial airliner, Boeing 707.
01:44:44.000Yeah, and do you understand the bomb effect of 30,000 kilograms of jet fuel going off in the middle, in the center of the building as a gigantic bomb?
01:44:52.000If you get a burst of that fuel burned off in the giant fireball... They've done analysis, sir, of the pounds per square inch pressure generated by that fuel detonating, and it is thousands of times too weak to even blow out the smallest columns.
01:46:32.000Uh, he lives in Netanya, and now he, um, he's just saying that we designed the building to take any sort of a plane, and he doesn't believe the planes brought it down.
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01:53:57.000The physical properties, the mass, and even the fuel capacity of these planes are very comparable.
01:54:02.000And I found at least three other engineers who agreed with Frank D. Martini that the buildings were constructed to withstand the impact of those airliners.
01:54:10.000His point here is either deliberately deceiving us or he's utterly incompetent because he has no familiarity with the facts of the case.
01:55:03.000We all have rights to have our views and study.
01:55:05.000But you keep implying by saying he's a philosophy professor that we don't have a bunch of scientists trained in engineering and physics that have come to the same conclusion.
01:55:16.000He appears not even to know that my Ph.D. is in the history of science and the philosophy of science.
01:55:21.000The history of science is dominated by physics.
01:55:24.000He doesn't understand I've published 27 books on technical subjects.
01:55:27.000And have taught critical thinking, logic, and scientific reasoning for 35 years.
01:55:31.000I can spot blunders when they occur, and you commit them all the time.
01:55:36.000I've explained them to you, and you went ahead and published them anyway.
01:55:39.000That's completely irresponsible, and the product is intellectual rubbish.
01:55:47.000He's emailed WorldNet daily and has said of the numerous false statements made in the article by John Mosley that you recently published, at least one should remain and result in legal action.
01:55:58.000Anyone who actually listened to the C-SPAN broadcast and 9-11 Scholars Group can clearly hear that Mosley's quote of Stephen Jones is inaccurate to say the least.
01:56:07.000Dr. Jones did not say that there is no peaceful way to achieve the group's goals, and Dr. Jones has not promoted violence in any of his presentations.
01:56:15.000A correction of this libelous error might be wise choice.
01:56:19.000Thanks, Kevin Ryan, UL Laboratories' former underwriter-engineer.
01:56:23.000You want to comment to his email he's put out?
01:56:25.000Millions of people thought I think this guy ought to be reported to the Board of Ethics that in his domain this is completely unethical and corrupt behavior.
01:56:35.000Well, Mr. Professor Fetzer repeatedly says that the weight of one floor is not enough to bring down subsequent floors.
01:56:41.000No, in full note, well, the 29 floors, the 35 floors... Mostly you're jumping around.
01:56:45.000We're talking about Steve Jones and your libel of him.
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02:05:55.000The Salt Lake City newspaper, TV station, others are reporting that Professor Stephen Jones, last night, and I talked to him just about 30 minutes ago during a break, has been put on administrative paid leave.
02:06:10.000He's still able to conduct research, but can't teach his classes.
02:06:44.000Kevin Ryan of Underwriting Laboratories, of course, did an internal test of the towers falling and said the official story was basically impossible.
02:06:51.000He was told not to publish his findings even though he was doing that job for the company.
02:07:05.000So a man who knows a lot about academic freedom, he is Peter Dale Scott, but he's here to also talk about his new book on 9-11.
02:07:12.000Mr. Scott, thank you for coming on with us.
02:07:16.000This is really sad to see this happening.
02:07:18.000These Nazis are really attempting to silence one of the key bastions of free speech that's left in this country.
02:07:24.000I guess the colleges will be free speech zones now, huh?
02:07:28.000Or won't be allowed to in the colleges.
02:07:30.000Well, it's a very distressing situation.
02:07:33.000I think it's harder for, you know, people in the sciences and engineering and so on, where his colleagues get government contracts and so on.
02:07:42.000I think some of the pressure has come from his peers who are frightened they won't get government business.
02:07:48.000Well, we've got legislatures in New Hampshire and in Wisconsin, as well as federally, and in D.C.
02:07:57.000openly calling for cutting massive funding to universities that even allow the mention of an alternative story on 9-11.
02:08:05.000Yes, and I think that, you know, some places it's more... I feel fairly secure in California, but, you know, we have this book that's just come out, edited by David Ray Griffin and myself, 9-11 and American Empire intellectuals speak out.
02:08:23.000Well, one of the items in there is Morgan Reynolds talking about the pressure that is being put on.
02:09:26.000I think there will be a hot link where it was that's still being negotiated.
02:09:30.000But yes, it's going off the BYU website.
02:09:33.000He sounded devastated when I talked to him 30 minutes ago.
02:09:36.000Well, this is the man's career, you know, and I understand that they don't have tenure at BYU the way they do in most universities, so he has definitely risked his whole future, and this is a man who's doing serious research.
02:09:51.000His other research is also controversial, but it's real.
02:09:57.000Well, and he and his wife are just lovely, soft-spoken, kind-hearted people I've had a chance to meet and speak with and eat dinner with.
02:10:03.000Yes, well there is a lot of wild stuff going around.
02:10:07.000on peace in World Net Daily, I don't know if you know this, started all this when he first got called in a few weeks ago in the peace.
02:10:13.000They falsely claimed that he called for violent overthrow of the U.S. government.
02:10:17.000We forced a retraction from World Net Daily, but it was a purely manufactured report.
02:10:23.000Yes, well there is a lot of wild stuff, isn't there, going around.
02:10:27.000He's a very decent man and he's been trying to be very flexible with the university.
02:10:36.000We were concerned in the book because his chapter makes much better reading if you can actually see the videos and things that he refers to.
02:10:47.000And if you go to his article on the web, then it's all hot-linked, so you can actually see World Trade Center going down and You just see how unlikely it was that it was destroyed either by fire or by debris hitting it on one side because you can see it going straight vertically down at almost three-fold time.
02:11:11.000You know, Peter Del Scott, let's start off here with who you are and the work you've done and some of the research you've done.
02:11:17.000First off, tell us about Peter Del Scott.
02:11:20.000Well, I was for many years a professor at the University of California.
02:11:26.000I had been a Canadian diplomat before that and I knew just enough about the situation in French Indochina to be very concerned that America should not make the mistake that France did.
02:11:38.000I started as early as 1963 saying this would tear America apart if it got involved and eventually I started speaking I didn't want to be a speaker because I'm a Canadian and I felt Americans should speak out about the war, but you know back in 1963 a lot of Americans didn't know where Vietnam was.
02:12:00.000So I started speaking and I started writing and my first book about Vietnam raised the question about the timing of the death of President Kennedy just at a time when he was beginning to talk about getting troops out of Indochina, out of Vietnam by the end of 65.
02:12:23.000So that got me into writing about the Kennedy assassination and my main book on that, The Politics and the Death of JFK, is still in print after, what is it now, 13 years.
02:12:37.000And so I have been very open, my eyes have been open to the possibility of Or the frequency with which the American government has lied to its own people.
02:12:50.000Well, let me bring this up before we get into 9-11.
02:12:53.000Within weeks, right at about three and a half weeks, Christina Todd Whitman and the EPA reported massive poisons, massive toxins, asbestos, mercury in the air.
02:13:06.000Now the massive deaths and injuries, debilitating illnesses that have been caused by this, now city memos have been released, CBS News today in New York is admitting there was a massive cover-up.
02:13:25.000Can you give us your take on this now, breaking?
02:13:27.000Well, it's certainly not the first time this sort of thing has happened.
02:13:31.000I mean, I think the use of depleted uranium, DU, In weaponry, in both the first Iraq war and the current Iraq war, it's a terrible scandal.
02:13:43.000And you know, you had a huge number of returning veterans from the first Gulf War, and the Navy refused to deal with them.
02:13:53.000I've talked to the brother of one of these people, and the Navy lost his medical records.
02:13:58.000Finally, they put him on 100% disability, but it took about eight years for that to happen.
02:14:05.000And the DU is still being used in Afghanistan and in Iraq today, and also on the web you can see that the babies being born with terrible deformities in the Iraq hospitals, this is not recognized in any degree at all.
02:14:26.000If you look up depleted uranium on Google, you'll get an awful lot of hits, but you won't get any from the U.S.
02:14:35.000What does this say about the mindset of the individuals that are willing to use weapons like this and then just tell the troops it's not bad for them?
02:14:47.000I think there's a terrible separation in this country and it tends to happen as countries become powerful and turn from republics into empires that you get a greater and greater separation Between public opinion and the thinking that's going on in areas where there is no public review of the programs at all.
02:15:12.000On issue after issue, you'll have 75, 85, 99 percent of people against North American Union, against the Kelo, New London, Connecticut ruling on property.
02:15:26.000And now government suddenly, because I didn't see this in the past, He just says, we don't care, we're going to do it!
02:15:33.000And it does show an imperial hubris that I think should terrify anyone who wants to live in a free country.
02:15:39.000Well, I'm in a special situation here because I'm a Canadian and I came by choice to this country in 1961.
02:15:47.000And I came because I respected America as an example for the rest of the world.
02:15:53.000I mean, let's not forget some of the achievements of this country.
02:15:57.000I think the Civil Rights Movement, You know, all over the world, racial relations can be difficult, but America has worked through its race relations to an extent in which in Europe, for example, they're just beginning to deal with the resentments of the Muslims living in France or England, for example.
02:16:22.000I think they're behind America in that respect.
02:16:25.000But what distresses me is the change that I've seen in America.
02:16:30.000You know, I came to the University of California.
02:16:34.000Now you pay $20,000 a year or something to go.
02:16:37.000It's become a class privilege, whereas it used to be for everybody.
02:16:40.000The standard of living for a great many Americans is going down at the same time that the remuneration for the top 0.01% Are getting most of the increment in GNP in the form of income, so we're getting great disparity between the rich and the poor, and that's always a sign of a country on the way down.
02:17:09.000It's a very, very... Yeah, it's a sign of a country going into centralization.
02:17:13.000I want to get into your bottom line on 9-11.
02:17:17.000And I want to, you've had a lot of good projections and predictions, what you see happening with Iran, what you see happening with this 5th anniversary of 9-11, where you see the Bush administration, what you think their next move is going to be, a great political mind, a great patriot for freedom, Peter Dale Scott is our guest.
02:17:37.000I'm Alex Jones, the websites are InfoWars.com, JonesReport.com and InfoWars.net.
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02:22:01.000The book's 9-11 and American Empire Intellectuals Speak Out.
02:22:05.000Edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter L. Scott.
02:22:09.000Going back to our guest, this is a short segment where the long segment coming up plenty of time to To get into more details and hopefully have time to take some of your phone calls.
02:22:17.000Mr. Scott, 9-11, I mean, we know why it was carried out.
02:22:31.000What do you see happening here domestically with the police state that they're for the first time announcing?
02:22:36.000Well, how do you see this developing and then what are some solutions or ways we can keep bad possibilities from happening?
02:22:44.000Well, I think Iran should be very much on our minds because I'm doing another book that will be out next year called The Road to 9-11 and I have a whole chapter dedicated to this group, The Project for a New American Century.
02:23:02.000These are a group of neocons who wanted very much for America to play a much bigger role in Central Asia.
02:23:10.000Well, they've got their wish in the form of Iraq, and I hope they're happy.
02:23:15.000There are two big camps now, I think, in Washington.
02:23:18.000There is the neocon camp, who have wanted an attack on Iran from the very beginning, and also Syria, for that matter.
02:23:29.000This goes back, two of them were calling for this back in the Clinton era, back as early as 1996.
02:23:40.000But I think they would like to destroy OPEC and see oil completely controlled by the United States and to be sold cheaply, break the OPEC cartel.
02:23:56.000But there's also the oil companies in Washington, and whereas they agreed with the PNAC people, the neocons, on the importance of getting into Iraq, because they want America to have a secure base where it can control Where the oil goes to throughout the world, and Saudi Arabia is no longer that base.
02:24:23.000Yes, but the oil companies are not interested in destroying OPEC, because OPEC keeps prices high, and that, of course, means record profits for the oil companies.
02:24:36.000Some of the neocons have left the government.
02:25:10.000And Cheney, I think, is the most important one of them all.
02:25:14.000We've never had, in the history of the United States, a situation where the office of the Vice President seemed to be more powerful in determining policy than the National Security Council of the President.
02:25:26.000Well, Bush takes two and a half hour naps and exercises upwards of three hours a day.
02:25:31.000I mean, he doesn't even read his notes.
02:25:57.000Well, anyway, I said that this was just before the invasion of Iraq, and I said it would happen because America, it's not that we need the oil from Iraq for ourselves, most of it goes to Europe, but we need to control oil and we also were very concerned in those days to preserve the dollar by making sure that
02:26:26.000OPEC countries didn't start taking Euros for oil instead of dollars.
02:26:31.000That's what makes countries all over the world... The real world reserve currency is the oil, and the dollar is the currency for buying barrels of oil, but... And our listeners are versed on that.
02:26:44.000He was starting to accept Euros, and in the beginning of this year, Iran said that they would create an oil boost, and that they too would, because they fell to Europe, so their position is Europe should pay... Why does Iran seem to be trying to goad the military-industrial complex into striking them?
02:27:04.000Well, I think that they may feel that they're better... It's so complicated, because you know, Iran actually helped America in Afghanistan.
02:27:17.000And just at the beginning of the Iraq invasion, there was the senior Shia cleric in... Let's get into the deep politics, Mr. Scott, when we get back.
02:27:30.000Give us your analysis, we're honored to have it.
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02:31:56.000Kevin Ryan joins us here in about ten minutes.
02:32:00.000One of the engineers at Underwriting Laboratories.
02:32:03.000Who did the internal analysis and said the numbers didn't mesh with the official story of why the Towers and Seven collapsed.
02:32:12.000He was told to shut up and when he spoke out he got fired.
02:32:15.000Peter Dell Scott joins us and by the way in his new book that's coming out that he and Everett Griffin have edited, it has an analysis by Kevin Ryan in there so it would be great to have these two men together.
02:32:53.000So, yeah, what's, I mean, from your analysis, you're a former diplomat, you've studied these black ops systems, what's really going on in Iran?
02:33:05.000Well, this is absolutely central to understanding 9-11, which is that the American government, the CIA, have been using Muslim fundamentalists for 30 years.
02:33:17.000Going back in time, when they thought the big danger was that the Soviet Union would move into Asia, they backed the fundamentalists against them.
02:33:30.000When Mosaddegh in Iran in 1953 was threatening to, well, threatening he did it, he would nationalize the Anglo-Iranian oil company, the CIA and British intelligence worked with, actually I think the people around Ayatollah Khomeini, they worked with them then to get rid of a democratic, progressive, socialist, it wasn't even socialist, it was nationalizing one foreign firm.
02:34:01.000It's just one example of collaboration coming down into the 90s with Al-Qaeda elements in Azerbaijan where American oil companies were moving in.
02:34:13.000The British were working with them in Libya because they wanted to get rid of Gaddafi.
02:34:18.000All these secular leaders were being attacked from the right by Al-Qaeda elements, and that was with the approval of the CIA.
02:34:35.000You had the Republicans in 1980, they wanted to defeat Carter, so they We're meeting with Iranian fundamentalists in Paris and to delay the return of the hostages it meant that these American hostages in the Iranian embassies stayed on months longer because of the deal between fundamentalists and the Republicans to elect Ronald Reagan.
02:35:52.000He actually did, but took the photographs of the American Embassy in Kenya and gave them personally to bin Laden.
02:36:02.000But he was only able to do that because he had been picked up a few weeks earlier in Canada by the RCMP because they mistrusted him because of his connections to some terrorists in Canada.
02:36:18.000And this man, Ali Mohammed, gave them a number to phone in Washington in the FBI headquarters to an FBI agent called and sent And the FBI told the Canadians to release him, which they did.
02:36:38.000They'd have known Al Qaeda members going to summits, coming back into the U.S., trying to get visas overseas, and they'd say, you're a terrorist, and they'd get a call from the higher, opposite State Department saying, let them in.
02:36:49.000This terror designation is a cover for anti-terror training.
02:36:53.000Well, there was one embassy in particular, Saudi Arabia, with two consulates, and virtually all of these hijackers and their bosses, the higher level people, like the blind sheikh, Abdulrahman, they came into America on special visas that were issued by this office, whereas they should have been, and some of them actually were,
02:37:22.000On the terror list of people not to be given visas.
02:37:25.000And then back, of course, in 1993, the FBI took the bomb, trained the driver, gave them the detonators, let it all go forward, found a couple low-grade morons to do it.
02:37:33.000I mean, it's the same story over and over again.
02:37:36.000They had been observing those people for three years before then, and when one of them killed Meir Kahan and was picked up, and this was the Muslim whose home was raided,
02:37:51.000And it was filled with terror training manuals that Ali Mohammed himself, who was doubling as a trainer for the special forces at Fort Bragg, this man, his name was Nasser, his home was full of these manuals.
02:38:10.000And the FBI came out and said there was nothing found in his home of any interest.
02:38:15.000I want to bring something else into this.
02:38:17.000I want to give a number out in a moment to call BYU to support Professor Stephen Jones, who is being reviewed right now and has been basically suspended and put on leave.
02:38:27.000This is a horrible attack on free speech and scientific research in this country.
02:38:38.000These are Republican guard who were trained here in the '80s, deep cover U.S. assets brought back in, of course involved in the Oklahoma City bombing.
02:38:48.000And that way if any police happen to catch them or bust them in the act, oh it's just an Arab, oh it's an Iraqi, perfect cover.
02:38:54.000Those 5000, we have good intel, are all over the United States right now ready to level major buildings in every U.S. city.
02:39:03.000I tell you, it is so sick and we are in so much danger.
02:39:06.000Peter Delstadt, do you have any comments on the 5,000 Iraqis?
02:39:09.000Well, I'm an agnostic on that, and I should say, in general, my position on 9-11, some people are very sure they know what happened.
02:39:19.000My position is I'm very sure there's been a massive cover-up, and that the cover-up extends to things that happened in the White House on that day.
02:39:29.000And that we need to know more clearly what happened, why it is that the phone records are suddenly, there's like an 18 minute gap, just like Watergate when it comes to the crucial phone calls that authorize the shoot down of planes.
02:39:47.000And then more and more importantly, something that a lot of Americans are not aware of, this thing called COG.
02:39:54.000Which is supposed to be continuity of government, but which is actually a kind of suspension of the Constitution.
02:40:31.000But ask that she write down your name or information or your comments.
02:40:34.000Make sure that notes be given to him and that the people of the United States support Professor Stephen Jones, who's been put on leave, basically suspended for now, and they're looking at him.
02:40:49.000And all this started with fake hit pieces.
02:40:51.000Remind them of this in World Net Daily, claiming that he had said things he didn't say.
02:41:06.000422-2521 the president of Brigham Young University and you can also email your support to Stephen Jones at physics underscore Office at BYU.edu.
02:41:25.000Again, that's physics underscore office at BYU.edu or the number 801-422-2521.
02:41:34.000And, guys, go ahead and call Kevin Ryan now.
02:41:41.000If people want to know what Stephen Jones did that's so terrible to have caused this hullabaloo and to get him suspended, it's the article which is in our book and which is, I think, the sanest, most reasonable chapter that's been written by anybody on why it is that most reasonable chapter that's been written by anybody on why it is that the towers fell and particularly World Trade Center No. 7, the building that was not hit by an airplane
02:42:10.000He did a public service by assembling the scientific evidence for what really happened here, And because of doing this public service, he may be losing his job.
02:42:22.000One of the other individuals who contributed material to the new book that you guys have put out is Kevin Ryan.
02:42:28.000He's a former site manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriter Laboratories, the major underwriting firm in the United States and North America.
02:42:41.000Well, here he is, in a nutshell, to tell us what happened to him, and then to go through his take on what's happening to Professor Stephen Jones right now.
02:42:51.000Kevin Ryan, it's great to have you on the air with us, and it's great to have Mr. Scott on at the same time.
02:42:57.000Just please, in a nutshell, tell us about yourself, your story, and then give us your take on Stephen Jones.
02:43:09.000Yeah, I was previously a top manager at one of UL's divisions and I was the manager of the water testing division.
02:43:18.000And the reason I got involved in all of this is because I was given information both verbally and in writing from UL's top managers that UL had been involved in testing the steel used to build the World Trade Center buildings.
02:43:37.000So having this information, I was interested in the progress of the NIST investigation, of which UL played a part.
02:43:51.000Mainly I was busy with my own job as well.
02:43:53.000But in 2003, it was clear that our government was lying to us about a number of things that could be seen as worse crimes than the crimes of 9-11 themselves.
02:44:07.000And, you know, in seeing this and learning more about the events of 9-11, like the destruction of the steel evidence, I was interested in hearing more from our Chief Executive Officer who had made the first claim that we had tested the steel used to build the World Trade Center building.
02:44:27.000So I started asking questions about it, you know, I sent him formal written questions about Our involvement, I really felt it was UL's responsibility as the public safety guardian.
02:44:42.000And just boiling it down, what was their public statements versus what their real testing showed?
02:44:50.000Yeah, well, there's two parts to that.
02:44:52.000There's 40 years ago where they tested the steel components used to build the buildings originally, and then there's August of 2004 where they did floor model testing.
02:45:02.000They claimed, and I believe they never did test the floor assemblies 40 years ago, but they did test the steel components, the columns and so forth, that were used to build the buildings.
02:45:15.000So, what they said is that they tested the steel, so then they continued in the investigation, and the investigation showed that the floors wouldn't collapse, and they showed that the temperatures in the buildings were nowhere near hot enough to soften or weaken any of the steel.
02:45:37.000And so, you know, having all this information, and having asked numerous times of managers at UL, without getting any satisfactory answers, I went ahead and wrote the NIST scientists, and that's what got me fired.
02:45:51.000I wrote a letter, I thought it was respectful and professional, and I just came right out and asked them, look, your test results show That the steel's not going to soften or even significantly weaken, you know?
02:46:02.000That's just not going to happen at the temperatures you've provided.
02:46:05.000And that letter is, of course, on the web.
02:46:07.000They responded, of course, by firing you.
02:47:41.000You know, a lot of people think, well, the academy is safe from all that sort of thing, but it's not.
02:47:47.000And we've just seen an example of it at BYU, and probably the people who are doing it may feel that they're not in a position of freedom because they have to protect the university and so on.
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02:52:10.000Kevin Ryan, formerly of Underwriting Laboratories, and of course, Peter Dale Scott, former diplomat and professor and best-selling author.
02:52:16.000They both join us right now today, and we were going to be talking about 9-11, and we are talking about 9-11, but there's this move nationwide, and congressmen, senators have openly called for cutting off funding.
02:52:28.000to universities that allow their professors to have academic freedom.
02:52:33.000This is a very dangerous chilling effect.
02:52:36.000This is not what you're supposed to see in a free society, but it goes part and parcel with the free speech zones.
02:52:41.000It's all part of this larger, larger picture.
02:52:44.000Going back briefly to Kevin Ryan, and we're going to let him go.
02:52:46.000I know he's a very busy man, and we'll give him up sometime in the future for a full hour.
02:52:50.000Kevin Ryan, can you just, again, in kind of a synopsis, thumbnail sketch, For people that don't know, describe what happened.
02:52:58.000You said, listen, you guys did your own internal studies and showed the towers shouldn't have fallen.
02:53:27.000You know, I, my letter included not only things that have been largely reported publicly, other than UL's involvement in testing the steel components, all of it had been reported publicly, but now all of it is, is, is quite well known.
02:53:41.000So at the time, it was considered outrageous, right?
02:53:47.000And, you know, the thing is, UL turned around right away and said there's no evidence that anyone tested the steel.
02:53:54.000They didn't say they didn't test the steel.
02:53:57.000They said there's no evidence that they didn't test the steel.
02:53:59.000Now, this shouldn't be a secret, right?
02:54:02.000I think we can all agree that if Underwriters Laboratories is a tax-exempt organization working for all of us, supposedly for safety purposes, then they shouldn't be holding secrets back from us on what they've done, especially when it's so important.
02:54:19.000Well, that's a question I've got for both of you.
02:54:20.000First, Peter Del Scott, where is this going to go if we see an explosion of 9-11 truth, the people now realizing there's a cover-up, and basic laws of science have been suspended by the Bush administration and both 9-11 whitewash commissions.
02:54:35.000Peter Del Scott, what do you see happening in the future?
02:54:37.000I mean, I see hit pieces, probably 30 or 40 of them a day against 9-11 truth in the media, but that doesn't seem to be working.
02:54:44.000Well, first of all, it attests to, as Kevin just said, the importance of this matter.
02:54:50.000I mean, if it's important enough to suspend Kevin Jones, it's important enough to fire Kevin Ryan, it's because they're very scared, and it's ultimately the people that will determine who comes out on top in this.
02:55:05.000If the American people get involved in this matter and do a little basic research for themselves, Anyone with a computer can go to Google and become more knowledgeable about 9-11 than the poor members of the 9-11 Commission were, who were not able to look at the truth.