Alex Jones speaks on CPS spying on homeschooling and why you should not be surprised when CPS comes to your door asking to see if your kids are up to date on their flu shots. Alex Jones is a conservative radio host and host of the Conspiracy Theories podcast.
00:00:27.000Remaining composed in the last segment, but I was reeling with rage under the surface because I see the news articles where what happens is you homeschool your children, but when you sign that form, which isn't a law, but you sign a form letting them know you're homeschooling, that's handed over to CPS for harassment.
00:00:46.000And this has been in the news, but they say it's good.
00:00:49.000And then they drop by and try to trick their way into your house Saying that they want to see the learning environment.
00:00:56.000Not even that they even got a message from a neighbor now.
00:01:43.000It's the new freedom initiative from ages 4 to 18.
00:01:45.000Now they're saying in Illinois, everybody, pregnant women, and they come and they interrogate and there's no law, no judge, no jury, no due process.
00:01:54.000It's already been going on what's in 6166.
00:01:55.000You know, with Patriot Act, Bush said, well we've been doing this for years.
00:02:29.000They showed up, there was a very small minor discrepancy in which someone felt the need to put their business into our business and have CPS come out.
00:02:44.000My neighbor claimed that the kids were left in the car for too long.
00:02:50.000And, uh, you know, it's one of those things, you get the kids loaded up, oops, forgot something, run back in the house, get it together, run back out to the car.
00:02:56.000No, no, no, that's your secret police America, they're just, they don't care if there's illegal aliens walking by their house, and they don't care if there's drug dealers, they don't care if the country's imploding and the president's a criminal, but, hey, let's tattle on our neighbors, sure.
00:03:09.000Okay, so then they said, uh, they had their flu shots.
00:03:12.000And then they come in, and like you said, they're scanning everything like robots, and, uh, You know, and this is all according to my wife, but she also said that they asked, um, well, are they up to date on all of their shots?
00:03:23.000And she replied, she, she laid it off on me and that's fine.
00:03:27.000You know, she said, well, you know, Jeff, he's a little bit of a conspiracy theorist and he does not want them to have their flu shots.
00:03:33.000And, you know, and, you know, so she, you know, tried to be as diplomatic about it.
00:03:38.000Which is the absolute wrong thing to do.
00:04:52.000Because statistically, there's no one more dangerous for children than these creeps.
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00:09:00.000is a former Marine Corps Infantry and Intelligence Officer for 20 years and was a second-ranking civilian GS-14 in Marine Corps Intelligence from 88 to 92.
00:09:08.000Steele is a former clandestine service case officer with the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:09:36.000And there have been a lot of reports written since he decided to valiantly go public.
00:09:40.000We had Bill Christensen, who was over the entire foreign threat analysis group of the CIA, in the top ten of the CIA for many years on, saying he cried over it.
00:09:53.000He couldn't believe it took him two years of research And unfortunately, all evidence points towards quote, total inside job.
00:09:59.000That's the only, only, with the data he has in two years of research, it's the only one that fits.
00:10:33.000Well, it's my pleasure, and as we were talking before, Amazon is really a very valuable place where people can read opinions that are almost as good as the books themselves.
00:10:46.000So you can search for the truth on Amazon.
00:10:49.000I mean, I catch myself some nights for an hour just on Amazon reading the reviews.
00:11:24.000You're a highly respected conservative.
00:11:26.000Well, I don't know if I'm highly respected and a conservative, but I'm certainly a moderate, middle-of-the-road Republican.
00:11:32.000Well, I did several days of research on you, and I know that you've been You've been cited and quoted a lot by the Republicans, and I mean, I've been a Republican, you know, going back 15 years ago.
00:11:43.000I stopped being one about 8 years ago, 9 years ago.
00:11:46.000But my point is, you're not some liberal with an axe to grind.
00:11:50.000No, as a matter of fact, it was the Tarpley book that took me to a new place, if you will.
00:11:58.000I have said, I have said on air, and I've read them all, folks, that that is the most sophisticated, basically what I...
00:12:07.000The conclusions I had come to studying government-sponsored terror for 10 years, and what I'd come to on 9-11, he put it all together in a way that I'd tried to articulate on air, but you really can't do in a radio format.
00:12:22.000I agree with you, and I think what I would say is that I'm still not convinced, and I was just looking at the review that I did on Amazon, I'm still not convinced enough to convict, but I am most certainly convinced enough to say the U.S.
00:12:35.000government did not properly investigate this and there are more rocks to be turned over.
00:12:44.000You're saying you believe that there should be a criminal investigation and that there is enough to go after these people and that once that opened up that we would find quite a bit.
00:12:55.000Can you go over your awakening, your research, when you started looking into 9-11 and kind of the rundown?
00:13:02.000Well, my first impression was the impression that they wanted us all to have.
00:13:10.000But where it really started breaking down for me was when I read about the, not only the 11 countries that had given us warning prior to 9-11, but the 9-11 Commission did not speak to the general in charge of the watch at the National Intelligence Command Center.
00:13:29.000And then when I heard about the 100,000 from the Pakistani Intelligence Service to one of the hijackers right before 9-11, That really started a cascade of unexplained issues that Tarpley, I think, together with Crossing the Rubicon and several others, I've posted a list of books suitable for evaluating Dick Cheney.
00:13:51.000There's no question in my own mind, but that Dick Cheney is the Tar Baby in this thing.
00:13:57.000He is the nexus point, clearly with the PNAC documents, clearly two months before 9-11, taking the shoot-down powers for the first time in U.S.
00:14:05.000history, away from the Pentagon, away from NORAD.
00:14:10.000You then have him in control that morning in the bunker saying the order still stands, it's 50 miles out, it's 30, it's 20, it's 10.
00:14:17.000Of course the order still stands, if you heard anything to the contrary.
00:14:20.000Then you get into the CIA drills, the lies, claiming they never heard of such a plan.
00:14:25.000Clearly foreign intelligence was picking up InfoPoll 9 and Echelon feeds, picking up the back chatter.
00:14:32.000FBI that picked up the chatter tried to go bust at least the patsies and the moles who were creating the legend and the story were being protected from the highest levels.
00:15:16.000Well, there's no way that building could have come down without controlled demolition.
00:15:21.000And do you notice how they act suspicious and very secretive?
00:15:25.000Not one word in the 9-11 Commission about it.
00:15:29.000Five different reasons from FEMA and NIST for the collapse.
00:15:31.000Now they're saying they're having to look at explosions.
00:15:34.000I mean, clearly, why did they... I mean, obviously, Al-Qaeda couldn't sneak in there and plant bombs to bring it down with that perfect classical textbook job.
00:15:44.000Well, I mean, you do have the whole issue of The security cameras being disengaged, the bomb-sniffing dogs being removed, the family ties with Bush.
00:15:58.000You know, I mean, if you smell rotten fish, there's probably a rotten fish somewhere around.
00:16:03.000Well, I mean, taking your skills, I mean, you were in the field with the Marine Corps.
00:16:07.000You did, you know, serious clandestine operations.
00:16:10.000I mean, you've got a snout for smelling rotten fish, but I mean, we're in a giant, you know, bucket of rotten fish here.
00:16:17.000I mean, it's hard to come away with a conclusion.
00:16:22.000Well, there I agree with you, and I frankly am stunned.
00:16:27.000I think the American public is just starting to wake up.
00:16:31.000But I have been stunned that the numerous discrepancies haven't made it onto CNN.
00:16:39.000Lou Dobbs is doing a very good job on broken government.
00:16:43.000In fact, I'm featuring a secessionist speaker from Vermont at my conference in January because I believe this is a republic and that the citizens can dissolve the government when it gets to a point of corruption and ineffectiveness so great as to warrant a new constitutional convention.
00:17:01.000I think our government is indeed broken.
00:17:05.000Well, but from their view, it's not broken.
00:17:07.000We are seeing an imperium form of select global corporations that have brought off our government, and they're using dissolving us as not even an engine, but a fuel for an engine for global hegemon that I think we're later going to be basically broken up into the... You know, I think you're right.
00:17:24.000I take a very strong interest in what's called predatory immoral capitalism.
00:17:30.000And I would like to mention a book by Michael Lewis called Liar's Poker, which is basically an insider's look at how Wall Street gets into all of these investments early on, and then they leave the citizens holding the bag.
00:17:44.000And so, in my view, we have never had as much concentration of wealth among the fewest Americans in our history.
00:17:55.000And concentrated wealth is one of the things that leads to revolution.
00:18:00.000Yeah, and the neocons will say, oh, you're against free market.
00:18:04.000Much of this has not been gained through free market.
00:18:06.000It's been gained through mafia triads working in unison to basically extract corporate welfare to fuel their expansion.
00:18:16.000Well, one of the things, if you've read John Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hitman... Yes, we have interviewed him, yes.
00:18:24.000I don't think he worked for NSA, but I think there's enough meat to his story so that I'd buy 85% of it.
00:18:30.000And what I find really astonishing, and there's another book called The Global Class War, basically the American elite has conspired with other public elites, they've bribed other governments, and essentially the American public is being ripped off at the same time that foreign publics are being ripped off.
00:18:49.000Well that's right, it's a mass looting, I mean that's the CFR model.
00:18:52.000Not only is it mass looting, but those foreigners blame us.
00:19:04.000Oh, you really, oh, I tell you, you've got it, absolutely.
00:19:08.000I mean, in fact, I see Rupert Murdoch overseas attacking America, meanwhile he puts out domestic propaganda to keep us in line until it's too late, and they're just shutting us up.
00:19:19.000Well, one of the reasons, I just published a book, and I gotta say, there's a really fantastic congressman in Connecticut, Congressman Rob Simmons, is a moderate Republican, He's going into, he's running for his fourth term, he's on the Homeland Security Committee, and he has agreed to sponsor the Smart Nation Act.
00:19:38.000And what I really want to do is create a public intelligence network that is of, by, and for the people.
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00:24:54.000Please continue, sir, and then I want to get into 9-11.
00:24:57.000Well, I believe in the common sense of the American people.
00:25:03.000I believe that the American people have been dormant for too long, and they need to take their country back.
00:25:11.000Not only from illegal immigration, but from corrupt Congress members, and from extremists in the White House.
00:25:23.000And I am concerned that we won't do enough housecleaning in this November election.
00:25:31.000And we're going to waste two more years.
00:25:42.000I will tell you some of the experts that I've talked to and listened to basically say it's going to take 25 years to undo the damage that George Bush and Dick Cheney have done to this country.
00:25:51.000We have lost our moral standing in the world.
00:25:54.000We have lost more dead in the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq than were murdered on 9-11.
00:25:59.000And we have the bonus of 65,000 amputees whose lives have been ruined.
00:26:04.000Uh, and a two trillion dollar future debt for this war.
00:26:08.000And they've salted the earth with DU and Bush's signed H.R.
00:26:12.0006166 that I've read and the scholars agree does affect citizens.
00:26:16.000He's buying billions in fake news and paying off reporters.
00:26:20.000I mean, using your intelligence analyst skills.
00:26:24.000I mean, everything I see shows they're going for broke, and even Bob Woodward says he may be going for dictatorship.
00:26:30.000They could start a war with Iran, they could stage more terror attacks.
00:26:34.000I mean, what do you think the probability of that is?
00:26:36.000I am very concerned, and there's actually a book out called The Endgame, in which a General McInerney and another officer basically lay out the neocon plan, and you can find that book on Amazon.
00:26:49.000I don't particularly recommend buying it.
00:26:51.000But it is a very, very serious agenda for basically after Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan.
00:27:02.000These guys are looking at nothing less than nuking them back into the Stone Age and keeping the oil.
00:27:09.000But the real target in all of this is also the West, during this psychological clash like in 1984, but in the real world, Oceania being knocked back into the Stone Age liberty-wise.
00:27:26.000Iraq is never going to be a democracy like ours.
00:27:29.000And if they had a vote tomorrow, they would vote for a theocracy.
00:27:32.000But the neocons said they never intended it.
00:27:34.000They just told the public that they meant to break it in three parts and basically go into each country and break it down and make sure they never develop.
00:27:42.000Well, I don't know what they were thinking, but I will tell you that the same week that Cheney was meeting secretly with Exxon and Enron, Wired Magazine published a very intelligent cover story on alternative energies and the price points at which they become affordable.
00:27:57.000Well, they all just became affordable.
00:28:12.000You fly across this country, you see so much wide open space and stuff, but you know, I have on my website, OSS.net, I have the 10 threats.
00:28:23.000I have a public daily brief and the 10 threats identified by the United Nations, which our federal government ignores all but 8 and 9, proliferation and terrorism.
00:28:34.000And then there are 12 policies, and one of those policies is water.
00:28:41.000There are going to be water wars all over the world.
00:28:44.000We, and the Comptroller General, who's a very serious man, David Walker, he's appointed for a 15-year position, he's been telling Congress over and over and over, in the harshest possible terms, that we're not budgeting for the future.
00:28:58.000Well, I mean, sir, look at LCRA here in Central Texas.
00:29:01.000They're grabbing up all the water to shut it off to artificially jack up prices.
00:29:06.000Well, that shouldn't be allowed either, but I will tell you that we should be paying, and this may shock you, we should be paying as much for water as we're paying for gas now.
00:29:17.000I mean, you know, an aquifer, once it runs out of water and salt water comes in, is gone for 10,000 years.
00:29:23.000We should be building, it costs a hundred million dollars to build water desalination plants.
00:29:28.000We should be putting two into California, two into Texas, two into Florida, and we should be pumping fresh distilled seawater converted into plain water back into the aquifers.
00:29:39.000Yeah, no one's planning for the future, you're right.
00:29:42.000Stay there, let's get back into 9-11 on the other side with our guest, an amazing individual, Robert Steele.
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00:33:14.000Before this hour ends, we'll take a few calls for Mr. Steele, former Marine Corps Intelligence Officer, former CIA Intelligence Officer.
00:33:24.000He's one of the biggest, the biggest fiction, non-fiction reviewer on Amazon.com, and he's reviewed a bunch of 9-11 books and videos.
00:33:31.000Listen to this, 9-11 Synthetic Terror made in the USA, 3rd edition, and he says, among hundreds of books, the strongest approach to truth is with great sadness that I conclude that this book is the strongest of the 770 plus books I have reviewed here at Amazon.
00:33:48.000I am forced to conclude that 9-11 was at minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war.
00:33:53.000See my review of James Bamford's pretext for war.
00:33:56.000And I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict, not necessarily convict Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and others of the neoconservative, neo-Nazi coup d'etat and kick off the clash of civilizations.
00:34:08.000See my review of Crossing the Rubicon as well as the State of Denial.
00:34:12.000Most fascinatingly, the author, like Samuel Huntington, author of Clash of Civilizations, with Leo Strauss, the connecting rod between the Nazi fascists and the neocons.
00:34:22.000This is, without question, the most important modern reference of state-sponsored terrorism, and also the reference that most pointedly suggests that select rogue elements within the U.S.
00:34:32.000government, most likely led by Dick Cheney, with the assistance of George Tenet, Buzzy Krongard, and others, close to the Wall Street gangs, are the most guilty of state-sponsored terrorism.
00:34:43.000The author draws on historical examples of the U.S.
00:34:46.000fabrication of events, the bombing of USS Maine and Havana Harbor, and many others, Jim Vamper's politicization of Northwoods.
00:34:53.000It is an undeniable fact that the U.S.
00:34:56.000government has been willing to kill its own citizens and fabricate attacks as part of moving the public.
00:35:01.000Okay, let me, before we go back to our guest, while he's on hold there... I'm here.
00:35:30.000And it's an excellent, excellent book.
00:35:33.000And it goes through how they orchestrated, how they do it, how they control it, really from all the evidence, how they did 9-11.
00:35:39.000You need to have 9-11 Synthetic Terror made in the USA by Webster Tarpley.
00:35:44.000We sell it at InfoWars.com, the secure online video and bookstore.
00:35:47.000You get a great book to be a true expert on 9-11.
00:35:50.000You support Webster, you support this show.
00:35:52.000And while you're at it, get Aaron Russo's new America, Freedom from Fascism, just got on DVD, and my new film, Terror Storm, that again covers much of what is in Webster's book.
00:36:03.000Webster and I have the same approach organically.
00:36:05.000I don't think either one of us is queuing off the other.
00:36:08.000Again, I'm the fellow who told you about 9/11 was about to happen two months before it happened, made the first 9/11 film, wrote the first 9/11 book, and I'm here telling you Terror Storm is the definitive video on government-sponsored terror, and Webster Tarpley's Synthetic Terror is the definitive book.
00:36:25.000I concur, and I said that long before he did the review, on air, when we had Webster on, telling you, this is the book.
00:37:06.000Going back to our guest, back to Mr. Steele.
00:37:12.000Robert Steele, let's get more into 9-11, more into your review, more of what you think the big smoking guns I mean, that's pretty strong language of you to say, you know, you think we can have an indictment, and I agree.
00:37:25.000Please continue, and from your research on 9-11, reading all the big books on it, looking at Tarpley's work, if it is an inside job, which the evidence points towards, then how do they do it?
00:37:36.000Let me move you away from 9-11 and simply look at impeachment.
00:37:41.000I've reviewed several books on impeachment, and it's now a documented fact.
00:37:47.000And in fact, Al Gore was talked out of contesting the Florida election.
00:37:53.000But it's a documented fact that Rove stole the Florida election with the connivance of Jeb Bush, disenfranchising 35,000 or more people of color.
00:38:44.000Reading P-2-O-G, reading the Israeli plan of 83, where they said break Iraq in three parts, sectarian war, good weapons sales, cut off the oil, jack up prices.
00:38:56.000Maybe you'll elaborate and maybe I don't disagree, but I look at Katrina, FEMA, jammed communications, cut police lines, police had to aim guns at them to stop, sabotaging communication, blocking The Coast Guard coming in, blocking the police and local firemen and others coming in, blocking Walmart.
00:39:16.000They wanted that to be as bad as possible.
00:39:19.000Then it doesn't matter if they take a hit and look bad in the press.
00:39:21.000Then they get to having a bigger disaster, hundreds of billions in no-bid contracts to Halliburton and others.
00:39:26.000Then FEMA goes, oh see, we need more power.
00:39:29.000I see it as another problem-reaction solution, just like Iraq.
00:39:34.000Well, let me tell you what brings this home to us.
00:39:36.000What brings this home to us is the explosion in suicide bombings.
00:39:42.000There's a wonderful book called Dying to Win by Professor Pate from the University of Chicago.
00:39:49.000Suicide, the willingness to commit suicide, changes everything.
00:39:54.000Because it is the ultimate asymmetric factor.
00:39:57.000What this means is that a suicide bomber is coming to a shopping mall near you, or to an elementary school, and unfortunately we have our own homegrown terrorists.
00:40:07.000And we have our own, there's another book called Random Actors, where people just go postal.
00:40:13.000So I am very, very concerned that the entire world is becoming very, very unstable And I'm not sure that these elites really understand that ten years from today there's not going to be any gated community where they can hide.
00:40:27.000They're going to have to do a Ken Lay and die before their estate can be contested.
00:40:47.000No, no, certainly in the P2OG plan, they say they're going to stimulate terrorist attacks, they're going to go out and kill people's families.
00:40:55.000It actually says this, Pentagon Plan, $6 billion program every year, in Iraq, the Middle East, they're going to go stimulate and create terrorists in the name of, quote, you know, widening the war, being able to, quote, go in and get them.
00:41:08.000So certainly they are, I mean, I see it this way.
00:41:11.000You've got real terrorism, normally not spectacular, a woman going crazy with a knife on a bus, stabbing 14 people, a person blowing themselves up.
00:41:19.000You do have that real warfare going on, desperation.
00:41:22.000Then you've got the provocateur actions that I see as the lion's share from history.
00:41:26.000Then you've got pure state-sponsored events like 9-11.
00:41:32.000Well, believe it or not, I believe in nonviolence.
00:41:38.000And I believe that Gandhi had it right.
00:41:41.000I also believe in the truth eventually being discovered.
00:41:45.000I personally think America needs two Truth and Reconciliation Commissions.
00:41:50.000One for all the bad things we've done to the rest of the world, and one for all the bad things we've done to our own public, our poor, our working poor.
00:42:09.000If you look at the top list, and I've seen this on my shelf over and over, and I was listening to Derry Bravo today, and he had a guest on, talking about it.
00:42:15.000And you go to UT to try to hire the top 25 engineering staff.
00:42:21.000The rest are all from India and China.
00:42:24.000You go to Georgetown, again, maybe one is American.
00:42:29.000You go to MIT, maybe ten are American, and then hundreds aren't.
00:42:34.000And then they all go back to their countries with the technology.
00:42:36.000They all go back with what our forefathers and our incredible genius built.
00:42:41.000We were the place where all the inventions came from, everything, and now we have literally... I know there's a big group that's intelligent and informed still, but The average American literally has been turned into some type of low-level animal who just feeds their beast to you.
00:42:55.000Well, that's exactly right, because we still have a school system that is not only created to manufacture factory workers, but it's funded based on real estate taxes, which means a lot of people don't get an even break.
00:43:08.000You just said it, but see, that's by design.
00:43:10.000It's by design they've dumbed them down.
00:43:12.000I've got the Department of Education documents going back to the 60s and through the 80s.
00:43:16.000I've interviewed the number two at the Department of Education.
00:43:18.000They openly said they were there to dumb people down.
00:43:24.000I mean, all the evidence shows this is coordinated.
00:43:27.000Why do they want to destroy America that was such an engine of their dominance?
00:43:32.000I don't know, but I'll tell you what I believe is the solution.
00:43:36.000I believe the solution is a public intelligence network.
00:43:40.000I think Larry Brilliant at Google is one of the most important people on the planet because of what he can do.
00:43:46.000Jimbo Wales from Wikipedia has just put out word that he's willing to spend a hundred million dollars to free key information from copyright.
00:43:55.000You have Brewster Kahle with the Internet Archives and he's digitizing books all over the world.
00:44:01.000I believe that if we can create an open source agency, such as Congressman Simmons is planning to introduce, that within five years we can cut the secret intelligence budget in half.
00:44:12.000Even by two-thirds, from $60 billion down to $20 billion.
00:44:15.000Okay, well, sir, now you're an intelligence expert, highest levels of the Marine Corps and CIA.
00:44:20.000Average people aren't going to get this.
00:44:22.000Again, I organically have come upon this, the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of researchers vetting each other's info, scanning everything, doing research using the NSA-type technology of the search engine drivers to go out and collate as analysts, just because in a hobby Well, first off, let me give you the bad news.
00:44:40.000there's info and and and and and blow away this info and so I understand what you're saying I'm not claiming I'm some big smart guy but for the general public explain what you're talking about well first off let me give you the bad news your government is spending sixty billion dollars a year for the five percent of the information they can steal they're spending less than six hundred million dollars a year on what's called open source information in multiple languages Yeah, they'll pay for millions to find out something that was in a news article a year before.
00:45:09.000No, they'll pay billions to have a Lockheed Martin build a secret satellite that can't see into city streets or under jungle canopy.
00:45:21.000The point I want to make here is that we are spending way too much money on spies and secrecy and not nearly enough money on education and diplomacy.
00:45:31.000And if we just have consultants, I mean that's what real companies do, they just have people that go around finding out, I had a guest in here a few weeks ago, working for big companies that just track things for the stock market and different derivatives, and they've just got people all over the world going and talking to average folks.
00:45:51.000Yes, and in fact, it's been proven that on-the-ground intelligence is better than what you can get from satellites.
00:45:58.000And there's just no substitute for human beings.
00:46:01.000Now, what the secret world doesn't want you to know is that public intelligence is a hundred times better than secret intelligence at a tiny fraction of the price.
00:46:13.000Well, I mean, what is the power of Google?
00:47:09.000But that's what millions of Americans who are news junkies are now doing.
00:47:12.000They go out and grab... I mean, I write articles that are 50 links.
00:47:15.000Every sentence is a link documenting what we've said, and it's everybody else's information, but we're just collecting it and collating it.
00:47:24.000Well, the world brain is coming into effect.
00:47:27.000I think we're in about the fourth grade.
00:47:29.000The day is going to come when you can go to your computer and type in your zip code Select your issues that matter to you, education, water, health, whatever, and then print out a stoplight chart for who to vote for.
00:47:43.000Now I saw Google reporting on five years how they're going to have that.
00:47:47.000The problem is Google also says that they're going to use microphones with NSA keyword listening to sell you advertising packages or to sell it to others.
00:47:59.000And they're also saying that they're going to tell you who the good politician is, but I don't necessarily believe the coalition that they're going to do, you know, claiming a politician's either pro-gun or anti-gun.
00:48:09.000Well, I think there will be cross-checking.
00:48:12.000I agree with Eric Schmidt and Larry Page when they say that the answer to bad information is more information.
00:48:20.000I think Google has made a very important strategic mistake.
00:48:25.000In dealing with the secret elements of the U.S.
00:48:40.000Well, you know, Google was a little hypocritical when they were refusing to honor a Department of Justice request for information because they were heavily in bed with the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:48:51.000The Office of Research and Development, my old friend Rick Steinhiser.
00:48:56.000Now, I think Google has to be purer than Caesar's wife.
00:49:01.000And I have no problem with their accepting some censorship from China and other places as the price of entry.
00:49:08.000But I do have a problem with their having a secret relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:49:13.000Well, obviously they're getting a lot of their technology from NSA backbone type systems.
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00:54:40.000Just briefly before we talk to Patrick in Michigan and a few others, back to Google and the CIA.
00:54:47.000I knew they'd moved into some old NASA offices and were interfacing and doing a lot of really creepy stuff and that's when we saw some of the changes start to begin.
00:54:57.000Also, we'll have a story that say a million people have read.
00:55:00.000And every other search engine has it posted, but Google won't have ours posted, but will have some little bitty blogs posted, because their filter missed it.
00:55:08.000And we know Google is filtering us out, and they're doing it to other people now, kind of like Kind of like you can't link through now, or a lot of the audio won't play on MySpace, won't play YouTube or Google videos.
00:55:21.000And I noticed this weeks before, it was in the New York Post, with Rupert Murdoch fighting with Google and YouTube, now the same thing, saying you can't play your videos.
00:56:46.000TeleLanguage is a really fine company and it allows you to basically, if you have an employee that speaks a language, they can be logged on.
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00:59:21.000We're talking to Robert David Steele, High Level Marine Corps, Intelligence, then with the CIA, clandestine operations in the field.
00:59:31.000You know, the real deal, folks, not the person in a desk at a cubicle.
00:59:35.000And he's talking about revolutions in science, technology, information, which threatens the elite, so they're trying to use it every way they can to track and control us.
00:59:44.000And I'm not optimistic about it, because the public's so sluggish.
00:59:47.000If we had Thomas Jefferson type for this power, with this information, it'd be over.
00:59:51.000We'd be on Alpha Centauri's in ten years.
00:59:56.000Probably going to be more like the Morlocks and the Eloy.
00:59:59.000We're in deep trouble, but let's go ahead and talk to... He's been talking about 9-11, Inside Job, and his review of Tarpley's book as the preeminent book on the subject.
01:00:09.000Let's go ahead and talk to Omar in Michigan.
01:00:16.000Mr. Steele, we're having a resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan.
01:00:21.000Michigan, do you think that has something to do with Bush and them backing them or something?
01:00:27.000And the other question I have for you is do you think the October surprise will be the influx of Mexican immigrants that we've had here to the states?
01:00:38.000They will be voting for Bush and them and that will turn the tables on the Democrats?
01:01:07.000So, if this next election isn't either dumping a whole bunch of candidates Or everybody ganging up on the extremist Republicans and saving just a few moderate Republicans, then I think we're going to waste two more years and have two more years of violence and debt and despair.
01:01:30.000Well, you know, I mean, if I ran my business the way Bush has run in this country, I would have been thrown in jail years ago.
01:01:38.000He's got a multi-trillion dollar debt.
01:01:43.000Uh, he has, uh, we're going to be paying, uh, for decades for the stuff.
01:01:50.000And I gotta tell ya, once you have someone willing to commit suicide, once you have tens of thousands of people willing to commit suicide, there is no, this is an arms race we cannot win.
01:02:03.000But the neocons said they wanted to stir up the Muslims, and that's a point I've made.
01:02:08.000They wanted to break Iraq in three parts.
01:02:09.000They wanted to have sectarian and racial killing going on between the three or four grids.
01:02:15.000But now it seems like they've overcooked it, and the black hole they created has gotten a little bit big for them.
01:02:20.000Well, I think Paul Bremer is an intelligent man who does well in the drawing rooms of diplomacy, but the two stupidest decisions That he made the first two decisions basically created the insurgency.
01:02:35.000Was to disband the Ba'athist mechanism?
01:02:39.000De-Ba'athifying the government gave them their leaders and disbanding the army put hundreds of thousands of pissed off guys with guns in the street.
01:02:46.000I mean Bremer and Cheney and Wolfowitz and Feist.
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01:06:59.000I like to, at least once or twice a week, thank all of our AM and FM affiliates, as well as Global Shortwave, WWCR, the Internet, all the folks that make that possible here in my operation.
01:07:11.000That is from Chicago to Louisiana to Texas to London, England and Sheffield.
01:07:20.000And to my whole crew and of course you, the listeners, the sponsors, everybody, we're going to go to Webster Tarpley here in just about a minute.
01:07:26.000I have one last question for you, Mr. Steele, before we bring up Webster Tarpley, whose book you said is really the definitive volume on 9-11 inside job and is enough evidence for indictment of Cheney and other co-conspirators.
01:07:41.000And that is, you know, I ought to send you this, because looking at all the contacts, the generals, the intelligence agencies you work for, you know, the Google people you work with, I mean, you really are an influential person, and I'm really impressed now talking to you, and I don't normally start with... No, I wouldn't overestimate that.
01:07:57.000Well, I'm just saying we're on the same page with what we see happening.
01:08:00.000I'm just, again, a country bumpkin looking at this, who's been living in this, and watching how it works.
01:08:05.000What we can do is seeing some of the future positives.
01:08:08.000There's also a lot of negatives that Joy and others have discussed, and Warwick is pushing.
01:08:15.000I am seeing hundreds of message boards, hundreds of postings, where the same posting is being attacking me, is being cemented in, being cut and paste.
01:08:24.000I am seeing our information being censored.
01:08:26.000We know the White House paid for tens of thousands of fake letters to the editor, paying off reporters, $1.6 billion in fake news.
01:09:06.000Well, I think that there is a clear pattern of the U.S.
01:09:09.000government paying for news it can use.
01:09:13.000I personally hope that the revolution that Joe Trippi and Howard Dean started picks up some momentum.
01:09:22.000In fact, let me give you two websites, or three websites.
01:09:25.000www.citizens-party.org just has a few basic documents on how I hope we can all come together And basically vote out the corrupt and vote in people who will vote for their districts rather than for the party line.
01:09:41.000On my own website, www.oss.net provides free public intelligence and free weekly summaries and forecasts of threats and policies.
01:09:56.000And I certainly commend anyone spending a little time on Amazon.
01:09:59.000And if you see any one of my reviews, like for instance, my Tarpley review, If you click on that and bookmark it, you'll have all my other book reviews and that's the equivalent of a free graduate education in international affairs.
01:10:12.000Absolutely, and I would just add to the things that You know that you're saying here that we have to get involved.
01:10:21.000We have to interface with the information.
01:10:51.000And these people who just worship sports and acting cool and they're so shallow, I know they have the capacity to have a great intellect, but I see so many stunted people and it's very painful to me.
01:11:18.000And I've never met Mr. Steele, but the first thing I have to do is thank him for that very kind review.
01:11:23.000He's been very generous, and I'm sure more than I deserve, but he's also very authoritative, and when he tells people that a book is good, they respond.
01:11:34.000My book has gone up to about 250 on the Amazon rankings from being in the thousands, and I really don't know whether any 9-11 book of the critical type, the anti-government, anti-regime type that I represent has ever gotten quite that high.
01:11:50.000So my hat goes off to him, and I have nothing but gratitude.
01:11:54.000Actually, yeah, Rubicon got something in the top 80.
01:12:36.000And as soon as the lawyers come in, then everything changes.
01:12:40.000And it's important to make the overarching truth, which again, for me, is my hop.
01:12:45.000That is the made it happen on purpose.
01:12:47.000The notion that these attacks did not come from any organization Based in the Middle East, primarily made up of Arabs or Muslims or Bin Laden sitting in some cave or any of this, but rather from the bowels of the U.S.
01:13:03.000intelligence community, the Pentagon, the Wall Street banking establishment, and therefore made in USA.
01:13:09.000And I think this is really important because if we don't get to that, We're always going to believe that this demagogy that we see now, the desperate Republican demagogues of the Bush camp, are attempting to freshen up fear.
01:13:25.000Their entire neo-fascist galaxy orbits around the false flag terror-fear paradigm.
01:13:34.0009-11 is the pillar of their church, right?
01:13:37.000You are 9-11, and on this rock I will build my Pagan Church, with this as a synthetic civic religion.
01:13:45.000And of course, it's not just Bush, it's also Hillary Clinton.
01:13:49.000She's there to tell you, well, there is a need for a war on terror, but Bush just doesn't do it right.
01:13:55.000Elect Hillary Clinton, elect Rahm Emanuel, and these people, and we'll have the right war on terror.
01:14:02.000And final thing is, the question of the drills.
01:14:04.000That is, that these attacks are mediated, bootlegged in, under the cover of drills.
01:14:09.000It shows us that where we have to look for the next attack is on the list of military operations, air drills, and so forth.
01:14:33.000Of course on New York 9-11 running tripod 2 drills moving the main command base of the city and the county and the feds out of building 7 out to the pier for a terror attack.
01:14:44.000All the other drills of hijacked jets being flown into buildings at the same time to confuse Norad and the FAA and the Interceptors.
01:14:52.000And we saw a drill being hired by the former head of Scotland Yard Public Relations, Peter Power, telling BBC News Radio 5 and ITN Television that he ran exact drills, exact place, exact time of the exact same thing happening.
01:15:07.000And Mr. Steele, can you speak to the bootlegging of False Flag Terror to Smokescreen in case any agents get caught?
01:15:33.000And I believe that Mr. Tarpon is probably right that this may have been intended to be a nuclear attack, that is to say an airplane going into a nuclear plant.
01:15:42.000And they backed off from that, possibly as a negotiated compromise between the White House and the Pakistani Intelligence Service.
01:15:49.000But the bottom line here is there is enough information out there to persuade me that our government has not been honest.
01:15:56.000And I don't know if you've noticed this, Bill, but I've got you speaking in January with Michael Hiem, who wrote the book, Who the Hell Are We Fighting?, in which he talks about the way the U.S.
01:16:07.000government lied to the people about numbers in Vietnam.
01:16:11.000And I also have Thomas Naylor from the Vermont Republic Secessionist Movement.
01:16:16.000And all three of you are centered on, can we trust our government?
01:16:19.000But I think the answer is no right now.
01:16:23.000The only thing I would say is, if we look at Pakistan and the inter-services intelligence, these are people who may have some voice in terms of what happens in the northern Pakistani tribal zones.
01:16:34.000Concerning what happens in the skies over New York, they count for absolutely nothing.
01:16:39.000They are a wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA, MI6, they always have been, and any one of them who doesn't like that is going to find his body riddled with bullets and floating in a canal somewhere.
01:16:51.000So I don't accept myself the notion that the Saudi government or the Pakistani regime has any role in determining the timing of this, or that there's anything to negotiate with them.
01:17:25.000Buzzy Kroengart, certainly in my mind, he took a dollar a year job for a very good reason at CIA.
01:17:33.000And certainly, you can say that the ISI is important as something that runs a stable of patsies, recruits patsies.
01:17:41.000They've obviously recruited patsies for the British, but I think this just shows again, they are subcontractors of CIA, MI6, Pentagon, and this informal banking intelligence.
01:17:52.000Again, it goes back to Grover Cleveland capitulating to J.P.
01:17:56.000Morgan, it's been with us now for more than a hundred years.
01:17:59.000And Webster, we're going to talk more about that.
01:18:01.000We're going to talk more about that after the break.
01:18:02.000Mr. Steele is now going to leave us, and you can check out his website by linking through at InfoWars.com.
01:18:07.000We have links to it right now up there.
01:18:11.000I look forward to having you back on in the future.
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01:23:23.000Like when I make a new film, it may cost me $100,000.
01:23:25.000I put it out for free on Google Video because the goal is to get the information out and then Hopefully now people will then support it and buy the DVD for us to support ourselves.
01:23:36.000How do you support yourself when you do your big intelligence report every week for free?
01:23:40.000Well, I have a couple of contracts and I run an international conference, but if people go to OSS.net, they'll find these public daily intelligence reports completely free on the left-hand side.
01:23:54.000And they'll also find the conference information on the right-hand side.
01:23:58.000And I'm looking to have an interesting mix of 250 international people this year and we're looking at the 10 threats to humanity and we're looking at the whole idea of collective intelligence and belief systems that threaten our belief system.
01:24:14.000Absolutely, and there is a predatory, social-Darwinistic, Malthusian driver behind this Let Them Eat Cake very decadent elite.
01:24:23.000It's kind of like a deep diver gets narcosis.
01:24:26.000Well, it's the same thing in high places.
01:24:28.000They get delusional, and it's very, very dangerous.
01:24:32.000And can't people also vote for your reviews to drive them up Amazon so more people see the books you're reviewing?
01:24:37.000Well, I can't solicit that, but I'd be very glad if they did.
01:24:40.000I mean, if my reviews are worth your attention, of course I'd be honored to have your vote.
01:25:54.000I saw it last night, and I would just tell people for a while it's important to buy the book so you can continue to, you know, I mean, get off beans and crackers.
01:26:02.000But the one I wanted to mention is my chapter on Omaha.
01:26:08.000I do go into the Omaha pedophile ring, the Craig Spence ring, these underage homosexual gigolos in the Bush White House back in 1989, getting on the front page of the Washington Times, and I think this is very relevant now to the
01:26:22.000The existence of this semi-secret homosexual cabal in the House of Representatives that seems to be running things, and Speaker Hastert, again widely reported by Wayne Manson and others, as being a practicing homosexual, living with his lover in a townhouse on Capitol Hill, and the entire apparatus around that, which has been around for decades and decades, I would probably trace it back to Theodore Roosevelt, And the origins of modern liberal republicanism.
01:26:52.000But I think this is a very important topic.
01:26:55.000And again, I don't do it out of any particular... No, no, it's true.
01:26:59.000Listen, I've been doing this for a long time, too, and it just keeps popping up.
01:27:15.000And a lot of them are into that, and it's just totally evil, and they're turning the world into their sick playground.
01:27:21.000And if you had a secret cabal of vegetarians or bird watchers or pinnacle players controlling the House of Representatives, the public would have a right to know that, and in this case, they unite around these questionable tastes that we've mentioned well it's one thing if somebody wants to pose as a family man living with his his staff member uh you know that's that's pretty bad but i mean that a lot of them are i mean come on man these people it gets so sick i don't even want to talk about it
01:27:51.000it's a tremendous market of dupes i think where where uh well-meaning voters have their votes convoyed into something that they would not approve of anyway this i think is simply important for people to know and If you want to go on the website there and look at this, the book is always for free.
01:28:07.000You can download the Omaha chapter, and I think that's a good preface to the things that you find coming out.
01:28:12.000with Wayne Mattson and other people these days.
01:28:21.000And I want to talk about 9-11, the upcoming election, will there be a false flag, these huge naval drills right up against the coastline of Iran trying to stimulate some type of event, the Israelis opening fire on a German patrol boat off the coast of Lebanon, and a lot more on the other side.
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01:32:46.000Clubster Tarpley, good friend of mine, a person I really respect, really great astute researcher.
01:32:50.000Again, I hadn't read his book, Synthetic Terror, and it's exactly what I was saying on air, the exact connections I was making.
01:32:57.000And when you talk to people who've done real research, have real political minds, geopolitical, you know, the strategy, And then you've got that same understanding.
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01:34:51.000Uh, Webster, just give us a preview, because I want to go through five calls right now.
01:34:55.000Preview some of the stuff you want to talk about before the show ends, concerning the election, concerning the war fleet, three task force groups, two carriers, one loitering nearby, and another task force.
01:35:16.000The New York Times CBS poll, I think, is the starting point.
01:35:20.00016% of the American population still believe in the 9-11 terror myth, but 84% do not, to a greater or lesser extent.
01:35:27.000And again, you have contributed a lot to that, and the 9-11 truth movement, I think, has scored a decisive victory with that.
01:35:33.000Now, that has to be the prelude to a defeat of Bush.
01:35:36.000It means that the spell, this terror brainwash that he's tried to do, ...is wearing thin, and that has now got to be translated into a colossal landslide defeat for the pro-Bush party.
01:35:49.000It's got to lead to a massive repudiation of Bush, his war, and above all, the 9-11 myth at the polls.
01:35:56.000A defeat so big that it'll go beyond just Iraq, important as that is, and get into this whole question of the global war on terror, which is the big fraud that covers everything else.
01:36:07.000If people have 9-11 truth candidates to vote for, obviously they should.
01:36:12.000They should vote for the Bob Bowmans and the Craig Hills in Vermont, and the Carol Brules in the Bay Area, or the Matthew Woodsons in Oklahoma.
01:36:21.000If you don't have that, you can find people running for Congress, like Congressman Kucinich or Congressman Ron Paul, people who are clearly profiled in an anti-Bush, anti-totalitarian mode.
01:36:32.000And other than that, vote against the ruling party.
01:36:35.000And I think the interesting thing is the following.
01:36:38.000This regime has never had congressional oversight hearings of any significant kind on anything it's done.
01:36:45.000And if the Democrats take control, even if it's Pelosi, right, which makes me shudder in some ways, but still, because of Pelosi's ambition and her envy and her hatred, And so forth.
01:36:57.000She and her people like her are going to have to start significant oversight hearings.
01:37:03.000And that's the classic subpoena, right?
01:37:33.000Well, this is a very sore spot with you.
01:37:35.000I've heard you talk about it a number of times, and I just want you to know that even though I take the position that I do, I still promote you, your Terror Storm, all of your programming and so forth and so on.
01:38:00.000And what I'd like to see you do, Mr. Jones, if you would, there's a gentleman by the name of William P. Grady.
01:38:07.000I don't know whether you're familiar with him or not, but I would like to see if you couldn't get him on the show and kind of hash this thing out, because he pretty much has the position that you do, with the exception of Just not being able to turn this thing around.
01:38:23.000I agree with you that work you do is important, and I don't think it should stop.
01:38:27.000I think we should know the truth, but I don't think it's going to get turned around.
01:38:30.000I think it's important for the people to... Well, listen, regardless of that, we need to wake people up so they're not part of this evil system, so they don't get hurt by it.
01:39:25.000Many of the people that I am with, however, that I associate with are under that impression, and, of course, they think I'm a nutcase, a fruitcake.
01:39:40.000Webster, you've got the Christian Church that was the backbone of the war against the British in 1776, that was the backbone against slavery, that's been the backbone of so many great movements, suffrage in this country, Now co-opted into different camps.
01:40:34.000The whole issue of Christianity is a resistance movement against the horrors of the collapsing Roman Empire.
01:40:40.000And I think if you look at David Ray Griffin's recent book on the subject, he's got a whole part about the US as a demonic power And how Christianity, if it's going to be faithful to its origins, has got to resist this kind of imperialism.
01:40:55.000In other words, the notion of an empire reduces people to cattle, and this, it violates the commandment of love your neighbor, and the famous commandments about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, housing the homeless, visiting the sick, visiting prisoners, burying the dead, in other words, charity.
01:41:13.000It's a violation of charity up and down the line.
01:41:16.000Also, standing before the king and saying you're a piece of filth, I mean, that's part of it too.
01:41:41.000Hey, I kind of come from a whole different premise, but I've been trying to get in for a couple days and I didn't want to interrupt your guest.
01:41:50.000Basically, the problem with society as a whole, they forget that evil, besides being manifested in the physical form, all exists in other levels of consciousness as well.
01:42:03.000And part of the problem with society today is we seem to forget that.
01:42:08.000Everyone wants to fight it in the physical, but it's the underlying... Well, I'll say this.
01:42:47.000They get an adrenaline rush and they get pumped up from it because the evil rewards its servants.
01:42:53.000Part of the problem with Religion, and I'm not slamming you as being a Christian, is we forget that.
01:42:59.000We forget that the mass consciousness of this planet right now is all looking for an outward being, a Christ or whatever, to come and save it.
01:43:10.000And to be honest with you, most of these so-called politicians that consider themselves Christians, they laugh when you call upon the name of Jesus.
01:43:18.000They just, you know, just shrug it off and say, well, you know, that doesn't exist.
01:43:23.000If you look at the universe, and I'll make it brief, but if you look at the universe and what's been going on in the last, oh, ten years, science has discovered so many more new galaxies and solar systems, and kind of just the short premise, the essence of the One, whether you want to place a label on it as call it God or whatever, is coming this direction, and that is why the darkness is working so fervently Well, I appreciate your call.
01:43:56.000I can be talking about one thing and then it's a theme of religion or a theme of this.
01:43:59.000But in the real world, in this physical fourth dimension or third dimension, you can sit here and you can look At how the technology's threatening the elite, but also a double-edged sword against us.
01:44:13.000How they're losing control at every level.
01:44:15.000I mean, the elite is worried, but they also have that hubris.
01:44:18.000Do you think that hubris will be there in doing, Webster?
01:44:21.000I think the neocons are the politically stupidest people we've ever seen.
01:44:26.000They think that if you bomb Iran, that will somehow turn the Iranians against the mullahs.
01:44:35.000Right now, we've had one A single faction of a single brand of evil has been controlling all the institutions, the presidency, the two houses of congress, and the courts for six years.
01:44:47.000And we need a separation of powers to separate evil.
01:44:50.000And we have, it's a basic conservative argument that we've got to get back to divided government, the checks and balances, the way the system is supposed to work.
01:44:58.000Now, you can say, Yeah, but the Democrats are evil.
01:45:02.000Yes, in many ways they're another brand of evil.
01:45:04.000But what we have to then do is play one brand of evil against the other.
01:45:08.000With this, we can probably diminish the net amount of evil in the universe.
01:45:12.000And what I'm looking forward to is when the Democratic House, which I think will come about, I hope it will, when they issue their first subpoenas to Bush administration officials on everything from 9-11 to Iraq, to Katrina, to prescription drugs, to habeas corpus, Pfizer, NSA wiretaps.
01:45:30.000Somebody like David Addington in Cheney's office is going to say, no, we won't do it.
01:45:54.000And the thing that I also think is important is concerning the Democrats, You've got the Hillary Clinton, Rahm Emanuel, warmonger position.
01:46:02.000You've also got the Mertha position, which I think is much more moderate.
01:46:05.000What do you think of this new guy, Obama?
01:46:19.000But the issue is, if the Democratic Party, with a lot of the hand-picked candidates of Rahm Emanuel, If they try to continue the war, or support a wider war, that will destroy the Democratic Party over the next two years.
01:46:33.000Yeah, so we're seeing a prime move now into a real third party, or true second party.
01:46:39.000If the Democratic Party fails that test, it will cease to exist, and this is all part of this party realignment.
01:46:45.000We've got to remember for the past 40 years, since about 68, 70, or thereabouts, we've been living Under a party system dominated by reaction and the collapse of the labor movement and political apathy, as you well point out.
01:46:58.000Yeah, but let me go back, well I agree, but let me go back for a moment to God and evil and all of this, because so many people are scared right now and people get more towards their faith, which is a good thing.
01:47:13.000If God's telling you to lay down and not get involved, then God will do it.
01:47:16.000God says you go out and you have faith and you take action and you stand up against adversity, and then I'll be with you.
01:47:22.000And so for people who think that God's going to do it, all of history and common sense and the law of nature that God has set in motion shows that God rewards those that help themselves.
01:47:56.000And that means practical action in the here and now.
01:48:00.000Yeah, I don't know how we got into this position of everybody just saying, oh, I'm a non-actor in history, I'm going to step out of the flow of history.
01:48:07.000You can't step out of the flow of history.
01:48:30.000Well, I have, one of my chapters in the Bush book is that Bush, the elder, is American Caligula.
01:48:37.000They would essentially, he would go to the theater of Marcellus in Rome, and they would have a theatrical spectacle, and if the script called for somebody to die, it said let's, you know, at this point somebody's crucified, well that guy would really die.
01:48:50.000And then can you imagine going to the Circus Maximus and presiding over the Battles of Gladiators, where hundreds and hundreds of people would be killed As a part of an afternoon's entertainment for the greater benefit of the Emperor.
01:49:04.000Remember, they used to say, Pana metrecense, bread and circuses, was what the Roman mob wanted.
01:49:11.000Again, we have got to take urgent measures to prevent society from getting... Well, I'm sure, because you speak fluent Italian and have been over there a lot and are into it.
01:49:19.000What about Nero would dress up like a werewolf and eat children at parties, gobbling them?
01:49:26.000He would disguise himself and go out in the streets and commit wanton murders, but he also thought he had to be the greatest opera singer in the world, and if anybody beat him in an opera contest, that person would be found dead the next day.
01:49:40.000Did you ever read the part about dressing up like the werewolf?
01:49:43.000I think a lot of it is from Suetonius, right?
01:49:45.000The lives of the Twelve Caesars, but we also have Tacitus' Annals of Imperial Rome.
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01:53:37.000I was just wondering if you were aware of the fact that Don King, that was a big player in Don DeCamp's investigation out in Omaha, Nebraska, Of the pedophile race.
01:53:58.000Well, this guy in Maryland, he appears to be the same one with the bushy hair and a white promoter, and he's endorsed... No, it's not the same.
01:54:09.000Not the same guy, but since you talk about Maryland politics, I'm up to my neck in this.
01:54:14.000And again, the issue again with Michael Steele trying to get the seat in the In the Senate here against Ben Cardin is that Michael Steele is attempting to present himself as some kind of a stand-up comedian, rather than another warmonger vote for Bush.
01:54:31.000In other words, a member of that same lockstep.
01:54:34.000Marty, what's on your mind specifically?
01:54:36.000Well, I just wanted to know if this guy Don King was the same one that was there in the butterfly ring.
01:54:43.000You know, it's funny, they look a lot alike, but no, Larry King and Don King are two different men.
01:55:11.000I remember when they finally passed that legislation that Bush signed, the D.T.D.
01:55:16.000Act, you spoke of looking at your kids all night and thinking about leaving, and if you were to decide to go or you were going to counsel someone who had made the decision to go or were advising family members to leave, I was wondering where would be the Well, I'm not giving up the fort, I'm not abandoning the ship, but I think we have a good chance of winning.
01:55:34.000I'm just saying it makes you think about evacuating your family, that I added the proviso to the end of it, that there's nowhere really to run.
01:55:41.000I mean, Webster, if you were going to run, where would you run to?
01:55:44.000I wouldn't think of running right now.
01:55:46.000I would think about repealing that monstrosity that has abolished habeas corpus.
01:55:50.000It means that Bush can declare anybody, you, me, the lamppost, enemy combatants, Off to Guantanamo, key thrown away.
01:56:57.000There is a report out of KOCO at Oklahoma City that the Secret Service will be showing up in schools to give security updates and tell them how they can upgrade their security around the schoolhouse.
01:57:09.000Yeah, the feds are taking control of the schools, yeah.
01:57:13.000And there was a plan I reported on three years ago that if there's a natural disaster or terror attack, they're going to take your children to FEMA camps and then make you come and enroll yourself to get them back.
01:58:46.000He's also probably accustomed to radio interviews starting at five after, but we're working on getting him right now, and we'll also be taking your phones throughout this hour.
01:58:53.000We had Aaron Russo on in the last hour and a half, an amazing individual, and we had a caller call in earlier who doesn't believe in the North American Union, who doesn't believe in any of this stuff.
01:59:04.000He just thinks we're making it all up.
01:59:08.000And I've learned about the North American Union for, I guess I learned of it about 13 years ago, and I just can't believe that now it's in effect.
01:59:29.000I remember back, oh I guess it was in 2002, in fact I have the article here, March 4, 2002, InfoWars.com, The World Bank and Secret Argentine Plan, transcript of Greg Palast, journalist for BBC and observer in London, And you go through the transcript of the interview with Greg Palast going over what those documents meant that were released soon after Joseph Stiglitz left the World Bank.
02:00:02.000One, I spoke with the former Chief Economist Joe Stiglitz, who was fired by the World Bank, so I on BBC with The Guardian basically spent some time debriefing him.
02:00:10.000It was like one of the scenes out of Mission Impossible, you know, where the guy comes over from the other side and you spend hours debriefing him.
02:00:16.000So I got the inside of what was happening at the World Bank.
02:00:19.000In addition, he did Not brief me, but I got some other sources.
02:00:23.000He would not give me inside documents, but other people handed me a giant stash of secret documents from the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.
02:00:31.000And it goes on to say that, and so one of the things that is happening is that in fact, I was supposed to be on CNN with the head of the World Bank, Jim Wilkinson, it's now Paul Wolfowitz.
02:00:44.000I guess you could have Wolf in your name to be there.
02:00:46.000And he said he would not appear on CNN even if they put me on.
02:00:49.000And so CNN did the craziest thing and pulled me off.
02:00:52.000So now they're threatening total boycott.
02:00:57.000We found inside these documents that basically they required nations to sign secret agreements in which they agreed to sell off their key assets in which they agreed to take economic steps which are really devastating to the nations involved.
02:01:10.000And if they didn't agree to these steps There was an average for each nation that signed 100 to 11 items, 111 items that they are required to sign off on.
02:01:21.000If they didn't follow these steps, they would be cut off from all international borrowing.
02:01:25.000You can't borrow any money in the international marketplace.
02:01:28.000Now, no one could survive without borrowing.
02:01:30.000And he goes on in the next, what, 10 pages, or the transcript is even longer than that, to break down what these documents entail.
02:01:38.000He put a lot of them on BBC, but there was a news blackout with this.
02:01:42.000We've always wanted to get Joseph Stiglitz on the show.
02:02:21.000The websites are infowarriors.com, infowarriors.net, jonesreport.com, marshalllaw911.info, arnoldexposed.com, There's a bunch of others I didn't list, but the two big ones are InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
02:02:49.000After a year in production and traveling to distant lands, my new film Terror Storm is complete.
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02:05:45.000He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
02:05:52.000We're trying to hook up a Nobel Prize winner, Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist, World Bank.
02:05:59.000Either got our time zone scrambled or I've talked about it.
02:06:01.000Whenever I have a big guest in the past, I've learned to keep my mouth shut until they just suddenly appear.
02:06:05.000And I think if I would have done that, he'd been there.
02:06:07.000But a lot of times they find out who I am and freak out and don't come on.
02:07:03.000It's the Election Commission Poll Worker Training Manual.
02:07:06.000For this year, it's have a certifier or whatever, so we've got those... But poll workers have no control over the wireless connections and hookups and... Actually, we don't have those kind of machines.
02:07:20.000Because they're just as bad, you feed them in, and it's then put on computer that can be manipulated.
02:07:25.000Well, the thing is, if anybody wants a recount, we've got those ballots on hand, but they have to refeed, because we are... You're refeeding with the same county clerk stealing the election.
02:07:35.000Well, that's why we also have the observers.
02:07:39.000And if somebody wants to be an observer, They cannot keep you out.
02:07:43.000Now, if you have like 20 or 30 of them, that's why it's good to become an observer early on so that they don't say, well, we've already got 20 people.
02:07:54.000If you read through the manual, it'll say step by step.
02:07:58.000And if somebody goes beyond that, if they add something they're not supposed to, if they take something out that they're not supposed to, make sure you catch it on tape.
02:08:06.000And you can demand to have a police officer come and arrest them for election fraud.
02:08:37.0001998 and 1988 and I was there and I saw in the Republican primary that was at the Austin Convention Center I saw cases I mean I was there stacking the Scantrons to make sure they were being stacked correctly on the right order facing the right direction and then be fed into the automated It looks just like a college or high school, you know, exam system.
02:10:34.000One of the other big bestsellers he had was Globalization, and it's a disconnect.
02:10:39.000Joseph E. Stiglitz, Dr. Stiglitz, won the Nobel Prize in 2001 for his economic ideas and theorems.
02:10:48.000I really think it's better for him to introduce himself, the most important points, because if I tried to go through all his letters and laurels, we'd be here for all day.
02:11:10.000My theoretical work, for which I got the Nobel Prize, was called The Economics of Asymmetric Information or Imperfect Information.
02:11:17.000It's about how markets work when some people know more than others, which is the case in all markets.
02:11:26.000And what was so remarkable is that for 200 years, economic theory had been developed on the assumption of perfect information.
02:11:34.000And it was just hoped that a world with imperfect information would be almost like a world with perfect information.
02:11:41.000And I showed that that was obviously not the case.
02:11:45.000But then the other thing I did is I was asked by President Clinton to serve on his Council of Economic Advisors and eventually I served as the Chairman of the Council, which is his chief economic advisor for economic policy and a whole range of issues I dealt with.
02:12:04.000And then after leaving that, in 1997, I went on to work at the World Bank as their Chief Economist and Senior Vice President, which is where I got really very deeply involved in the issues of globalization, which I wrote about in my book, Globalization is Discontent, in my more recent book, Making Globalization Work.
02:12:23.000And rather than get into complex theorems and the unified theory of economics and all of that, because even for myself it's hard to understand, but for our general listening audience, some probably know as much as you do, but most probably don't have even an idea.
02:12:38.000Can you boil down why you left the World Bank, why you were critical, your term coining the IMF riot, what's wrong with the way that the global system is being administered?
02:12:51.000Can you crystallize it in maybe a two-minute statement?
02:12:54.000Well, the most important thesis that I bring out in my new book is that we've become more economically integrated, more interdependent, more dependent on each other, but we don't have the political institutions that can help us address the needs that we have to act cooperatively.
02:13:14.000We have to act cooperatively as we are one integrated world, world economy.
02:13:20.000And the result of that is that, quite often, there are big losers.
02:13:26.000And we haven't paid enough attention to those losers.
02:13:29.000Aren't we really, Dr. Stiglitz, aren't we really seeing modern neo-mercantilism?
02:13:35.000Well, we are seeing it in many places around the world.
02:13:44.000We don't think about it from a systemic point of view.
02:13:47.000Our exports are some other country's imports.
02:13:50.000So if every country just promotes exports, then of course the whole trading system doesn't work.
02:13:57.000I know you're not here to dish dirt, but you did back in 2002 when you left as their chief economist at the World Bank.
02:14:04.000What was your major... I mean, I have the transcripts here and things you've written, but in your words, why did you leave the World Bank?
02:14:11.000What do you think they're doing that's wrong?
02:14:13.000I mean, the predatory practices, the IMF World Bank documents that got That came out shortly after you left in the BBC, your meeting with Greg Pallas, where, you know, it's this predatory system of going in and blowing out economies, so global financial corporations can come in and just take over.
02:14:31.000The more fundamental thing was that the whole system was rigged against the poor countries, rigged for the advanced industrial countries, and that the result of that is that there were an awful lot of losers.
02:14:46.000To give you one example, the last round of trade agreements was so unfair that the poorest countries in the world were actually left worse off.
02:14:57.000So while the advanced industrial countries, the big multinational corporations came out as big winners, there were unfortunately a lot of people who were losers.
02:15:10.000But the documents that were released, I mean the premeditated nature of this, who were the players that are behind, you know, not just rigging it where the industrialized corporations that control the industrialized first world systems, I mean really it's a type of weight, you know, the IMF riot.
02:15:27.000You're bringing in conditions that cause even greater collapses for greater consolidation.
02:15:35.000Part of the problem is they had an agenda that they talked about called privatization and liberalization.
02:15:39.000Privatization meant selling off government assets, assets that had been invested in over decades to foreign companies, often at a fraction of their true market value.
02:15:54.000So while the citizens of the country had worked hard, saved, invested that money over a period of 20-30 years, When they sold the assets, the citizens of that country got almost nothing for those assets.
02:16:11.000Other cases where water is a basic necessity of life... They would cripple it in a week, as you wrote.
02:16:18.000I mean, the private corporation pays off the politician, basically, pays off the government, and then seizes the infrastructure, and then jacks up prices.
02:16:26.000I mean, what happened with many of these cases, they had privatization before regulation.
02:16:32.000At least we understand that if you're going to have a natural monopoly, a company selling electricity, if you have only one company doing it, you need to regulate it.
02:16:43.000And what happened in the IMF didn't understand what we do here in the United States and what every other advanced industrial country does.
02:16:51.000If you're going to have a monopoly, you have to make sure that it doesn't overcharge.
02:16:55.000So they privatized these government enterprises, didn't put in the regulation, And sometimes the result of that is that the prices increased enormously.
02:17:04.000And then the predatory nature was so great it would even then debase the economy to the point of where the privatization went belly up.
02:17:11.000There were many cases of that kind, but the example in Mexico next door, they privatized the roads.
02:17:20.000And then, of course, they weren't able to maintain those roads, and the government had to, again, take over the roads after the company had collapsed.
02:17:27.000Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist, World Bank.
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02:22:35.000Well, the point was a very simple one.
02:22:37.000They sold the roads to the private enterprise and the hope was that They would be more efficient.
02:22:46.000Of course, what happens is that they didn't maintain the roads, they couldn't generate enough revenue, and they eventually added default, turned the roads back to the government.
02:22:57.000There have been lots of other examples.
02:23:28.000And it cost the people of Mexico an amount equivalent to about 40% of GDP.
02:23:34.000It's really one of the greatest robberies that have ever occurred.
02:23:37.000Exactly, and that was well publicized.
02:23:40.000Now, speaking of roads, I was going to bring that up, but not Mexico.
02:23:43.000Here, the Spanish company Centra does sweetheart deals, and they've done the calculations even mainstream news has, for about 5% of the true value of existing roads, they're being ceded them
02:23:54.000But we're talking existing major arteries, and being given them to put transponders in the cars, taxes at exorbitant levels, to fund a lot of North American Union projects, some of the government funding goes into that, the new SPP, Security Prosperity Partnership, that's come out, and so I'm now seeing the same IMF World Bank vultures coming into the industrialized world.
02:24:17.000Well, this is a movement that's gone all over the world, a movement trying to turn over Basic facilities, water, roads, to the private sector.
02:24:33.000The reason for it, in part, the good reason is that it's supposedly more efficient.
02:25:30.000So you agree there is a massive move now, not just in the third world, with this so-called privatization that I call hijacking and looting, but now in Europe, the United Kingdom, and the United States, Canada.
02:25:44.000Some of the failures have put a dampener on this movement, and in the UK they privatized the railroads, and everybody today recognizes what a failure that has been.
02:25:54.000The railroads weren't maintained, the roadbeds weren't maintained, there were a number of accidents, people were killed, and so that a number of people are, on the basis of that experience, are rethinking this policy of privatization.
02:26:08.000What has caused predatory globalization?
02:26:12.000What has caused it to shift in such a predatory stance?
02:26:15.000Well, I think, of course, everybody's always wanted to take advantage of others to the extent that they could.
02:26:23.000I think the fundamental difference is a free market ideology that is being used, or more accurately, abused by those who have seen how to take advantage of that rhetoric.
02:26:36.000So, it sounds good to say Well, private enterprises are more efficient than government.
02:26:43.000But take the Social Security Administration.
02:26:45.000A couple years ago, there was an attempt to try to privatize Social Security.
02:26:52.000The fact is, the Social Security Administration is more efficient than any private insurance company, because they don't have to spend all the money on advertising and trying to cream-skim to figure out who's the best risk, who's the worst risk.
02:27:05.000In the UK, they did privatize the Social Security system and at least part of it.
02:27:13.000And the result of that was that benefits were reduced 40% because of transaction costs.
02:27:17.000Dr. Stiglitz, final segment with you on the other side.
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02:31:13.000Dr. Joseph E. Stiglitz, of course, has written Globalization and its Disconnects.
02:31:17.000His new book is out, Making Globalization Work.
02:31:20.000He was the Chief Economist at the World Bank and the Vice President of the World Bank.
02:31:23.000What do you think of the difference between the last head, Wolftonson, and the new head that we see here from the United States, Paul Wolfowitz?
02:31:38.000I worked with Wilkinson very closely, and we tried to actually redirect the World Bank to focus more on poor people, reduce poverty, a comprehensive approach to development, to try to cut back a little bit on the privatization, the liberalization, it was called the Washington Consensus, a consensus between the World Bank, the IMF, and the U.S.
02:32:05.000Treasury about How to run development, but actually an agenda that really failed almost everywhere that it tried.
02:32:18.000The current administration has not, Wolfowitz has unfortunately not really been able to put together a comprehensive approach to development.
02:32:34.000But it hasn't even put forward a kind of an agenda for dealing with corruption.
02:32:37.000For instance, there are these secret bank accounts.
02:32:42.000There was an agreement among the banks in industrial countries to do something about the secret bank accounts that play such an important role in facilitating corruption.
02:32:52.000But the Bush administration vetoed that.
02:32:56.000In August of 2001, Of course, in September 2001, we realized that these secret bank accounts not only facilitate corruption, they also facilitate terrorism.
02:33:08.000But the focus was on increasing the profits of those who engage in tax evasion, all those who use these kinds of bank accounts for nefarious purposes.
02:33:18.000But that would take a global authority to do that, so I think on the surface, it sounds good, but that would be dangerous.
02:33:24.000But then it does show that Bush doesn't want to stop all of these other secret bank accounts.
02:33:28.000What do you think about things like John Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hitman?
02:34:03.000The effects are much the same as if they were a conspiracy.
02:34:06.000And the effects are, we've got super powerful global corporations basically buying off even western governments and using the IMF and World Bank monies to basically go in and blow out economies and buy them up.
02:34:17.000In fact, that was one of my main criticisms, that they push these policies called capital market liberalization that let money, speculative money, to come in, come out.
02:34:27.000You can't build factories of money that can come in and out overnight, but what you can do That kind of volatility destroyed the economy.
02:34:36.000The financial markets made money when the money was coming in, then they made money when they had to restructure the devastation that they left behind.
02:34:45.000They've signed it, it's officially now being set up, the Asian Union's been officially announced, but it seems like it's the same corporations that are in there writing up all of the basic laws and tenets of these new global structures, and the people, by and large, aren't even aware of it.
02:35:04.000Part of the thing is, there's something called the North American Pre-Trade Agreement.
02:35:08.000If it were a real pre-trade agreement, it would just be a couple of pages.
02:35:11.000We eliminate our tariffs, they eliminate theirs.
02:35:13.000We eliminate our non-tariff subsidy and our subsidies, they eliminate theirs.
02:35:17.000But these agreements are thousands of pages.
02:35:20.000And of course no citizen can read that.
02:35:21.000Dr. Stiglitz, I mean, whenever we hear North American Union or any of this, this is really just powerful interest groups getting together, rewriting the laws under a new framework that suits them.
02:35:32.000Well, I think one of my concerns that I raise is that there is not the kind of democratic accountability and transparency that we've come to demand within our own governments.
02:35:54.000of the basic protection transparency that we put in place transparency to make sure that citizens can know what is going on and that's one of the points that I emphasize very strongly I both in my old book globalization discontent and in my new book making globalization work let me ask you I got two final questions and I want to plug the book and we'll let
02:36:16.000I mean, it's here, it's being set up, the three unions are being slowly merged together, but still the mainstream media will call that a conspiracy theory when all the official documents say that this is really being set up.
02:36:28.000Number one, I mean, what do you say about global government, or how it's forming, and why do you think there's so much denial by people that it's happening?
02:36:36.000Well, first, the fact that we are economically interdependent does mean that we have to undertake certain actions together.
02:36:46.000And if we don't, there are some problems that won't be solved.
02:36:48.000For instance, there were these ozone-destroying gases that were putting holes in the atmosphere, letting in radiation that was causing skin cancer.
02:37:00.000Absolutely necessary to deal with this problem if you don't want to get cancer.
02:37:04.000And so there was an agreement, a very Specific agreement only.
02:37:10.000It just says you can't produce those ozone-destroying gases that lead in.
02:37:14.000But if you've got a global authority that knocks out secret bank accounts, and then of course that global power can selectively do that, that is the ultimate tenet of global government.
02:37:24.000What you need is just very limited regulations that restrict certain kinds of bad behavior.
02:37:37.000I used to see these old cowboy movies when we were growing up and there would be different states and the bandit would always ride on his horse across the state line and the sheriff couldn't stop him.
02:37:50.000Well, if you're going to have safe havens for criminals going across state lines, it's not going to be good for our global economic system.
02:38:01.000So unfortunately, whether you like it or not, we have become interdependent, and that means you have to address some of these problems that go across the borders.
02:38:12.000You've got to go in a minute, but what I'm trying to say is this.
02:38:15.000It's all the mechanisms, the apparatus of the IMF, World Bank, Ex-Im Bank, World Trade Organization, World Health Organization, NATO, all of these are controlled by the same institutions, all the same money powers, and they're all causing the major problems, and then they always have a good cop, and I don't doubt you're probably a nice person, very intelligent, a good cop who comes out and says, we need a loving global framework, and a good one.
02:38:45.000So, we're given the false choice of a loving global government, or an evil, nasty, fascistic, George Bushian global government, and at the end of the day, what of those of us that don't want interdependence?
02:38:55.000Those of us that want to be sovereign?
02:38:56.000I don't think globalization's been good for the U.S.
02:38:58.000We've gone from the powerhouse to the, you know, to the uh... crap house, excuse me.
02:39:06.000Well, in fact, I think, you know, if we hadn't taken advantage of globalization we would actually be much poorer than we are now unfortunately we haven't managed it as well as we should now maybe I'm coming from the west
02:39:22.000I have a certain Midwest optimism that we can do better and it's clear that we've made some very very big mistakes and you've repeatedly talked about the fact that we've been borrowing borrowing three billion dollars from countries elsewhere But I don't think it's a mistake that he gives these corporations, they're always left with the bag, the taxpayers pick up the tab.
02:39:43.000Well, I think that's right, and that's why we need more transparency, we need to have more accountability of what our government is doing, we need to know more about what it is doing.
02:39:54.000But that won't be resolved if we walk away from globalization.
02:39:59.000Well, I mean, regardless, the leaders of globalization, the people of prime movers, they're always grab the money and run, and it's just a revolving door, and it just keeps happening.
02:40:07.000I say, you know, go back to the way it was previous, or the Bretton Woods Agreement.
02:40:11.000You know, get back, I mean, look at what's happening to the dollar.
02:40:14.000In fact, let me ask you, where do you think the dollar's going, the debt bubble, the real estate market?
02:40:19.000I mean, I saw the Financial Times of London, what, three months ago, saying that the elite is saying, we've got to position our money to survive during a crash.
02:40:26.000They're not even saying they can pull us out of it.
02:40:28.000Now there's only a discussion of them surviving the crash landing.
02:41:33.000But I'm saying the same institutions that have always done the same thing in the past feather their own nest at the expense of the third world and the first world.
02:41:41.000It doesn't seem like they're the people to continue.
02:41:44.000Every time they put us in harm's way, then they come back with a new solution.
02:41:49.000I mean, you take, say, Nigeria borrows $5 billion, they end up paying $33 billion, and then now we call it debt forgiveness to cut back some of what they owe.
02:41:57.000If they've paid $30-something billion off of an initial, you know, $4 or $5 billion, then they don't owe anything!
02:42:03.000I agree with you on that, and in fact, it's worse than what you describe, because accompanying that debt forgiveness is a whole set of conditions that make them give up their sovereignty.
02:42:13.000And in some countries, the loans in the first place were We're made for arms payments that go to arms dealers.
02:42:20.000The money didn't even go to help the people of the country.
02:42:24.000What elite do you think is preeminent right now in global politics, that is, outside countries?
02:42:29.00044 of the biggest 100 economies are private corporations.
02:42:44.000All of these groups are powerful and influential.
02:42:47.000I think, unfortunately, in this current administration, the defense industries and the energy industries have really been running the show, and it has been disastrous.
02:42:59.000I don't think there's ever been a time in recent history where two groups, two industries like that, have exerted so much influence on policies to such disastrous effects.
02:43:10.000So there's not enough separation of powers?
02:43:14.000Well, we still have different groups in Congress.
02:43:57.000Due process, rid of habeas corpus, you can't be put in prison without...
02:44:02.000Uh, you know, uh, uh, government bringing charges against you.
02:44:07.000I think that almost defined us as Americans.
02:44:10.000Do you think that we are in danger of ending up having what you call the IMF riots someday here in America?
02:44:15.000Uh, I don't think we're in danger of those kinds of riots, but I do think that we ought to be thinking a lot more about our basic rights and principles.
02:44:25.000And that bill, as far as I can understand, really did compromise some of our basic rights.
02:44:31.000And we thought of it as only compromising the rights of some people who were not Americans, but once you start breaking down these principles, you know, there's a basic golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
02:44:45.000They said it didn't affect citizens, but it does say in there, it does, sir.
02:44:49.000Well, and not only that, other countries are going to reciprocate.
02:44:53.000And Americans are traveling all over the time, you know, doing business in other countries, So in fact, it does put Americans at jeopardy and no matter what you look at it.
02:45:04.000Do you ever talk to David Rockefeller?
02:46:16.000What they said is that I could stay as long as I didn't say anything and didn't talk to the press, didn't talk on radio.
02:46:24.000I had originally come there and said, you know, if I'm going to go accept this kind of job, I want to be able to speak my mind, talk about what I think is what ought to be done for Making the world a better place, helping the developing countries, helping the poor in the United States and other advanced industrial countries.
02:46:42.000They weren't interested in that, and so we amicably parted ways.
02:46:49.000Did they get mad when all those documents magically were released?
02:46:53.000Well, people at the IMF were not very happy when I criticized them.
02:47:01.000I think they were particularly unhappy Because I predicted that certain things would happen as a result of their policies.
02:47:10.000If I'd been wrong, I think they could have forgiven me, but the fact that I was right made them particularly upset.
02:47:16.000And when you say correction, again, the Financial Times and others are saying they see massive upheaval.
02:47:22.000I mean, when you say correction, are you talking about, I mean, openly the financial elite are talking about trying to survive what's coming.
02:47:28.000Do you think the debt bubble will pop, or what's going to happen?
02:47:31.000Well, I think it all depends on how well this whole thing is managed.
02:47:34.000There is absolutely no doubt that there is a misalignment, is the euphemism that people use, and that there will be a correction.
02:47:46.000I think if it's handled well, there'll be a slowdown.
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02:51:48.000I'm not bragging, but I want police and military and government people listening who don't study wide spectrum data To realize that I can have an engineer in about the collapse of buildings.
02:51:59.000I can have a Nobel Prize winner in economics on.
02:52:02.000We can have somebody on about ranch management.
02:52:04.000We can have somebody on about any issue.
02:52:05.000If I'm going to speak on something, I know what I'm talking about.
02:52:45.000Well, I know the Dow's rigged with only winners, and I know the money supply's been devalued by 44%, so the Dow's really at 6,200 and something.
02:53:29.000Bunch of news, and you can listen via Infowars.com.
02:53:33.000Or hopefully stations out there that are picking up this show will pick it up, or if you can't carry it live, re-air the new show I'm doing.
02:53:38.000A lot of new stations turning it on, I want to thank them.
02:53:42.000And please get Aaron Russo's new film, America, Freedom from Fascism, available, showing the Federal Reserve, showing who these scoundrels are.
02:53:49.000There's a reason they ran Joseph Siglitz out of there, because he wouldn't play ball with them.
02:53:54.000He's a globalist, but he doesn't believe in hurting all the people.
02:55:07.000The chains of our captivity are not bound so tight as to deprive the mind of free thought.
02:55:13.000They lay rather on the foundation of the ever-shifting sands of lies and iniquity, shielded from the light of truth by the shadow of our own fears.
02:55:22.000Well, I mean, I just had a 45-minute discussion with a Nobel Prize winner, former head of economics at the World Bank, and he agreed with everything I said.
02:55:47.000I was wondering if you could give somebody some advice on starting a newsletter that basically copies all the headlines of Prison Planet from my local area here.
02:55:56.000For people that don't read the internet, maybe would pick up a newsletter instead, read the same headline.