A documentary filmmaker who was at a U.S. military base one year after Timothy McVeigh was supposed to have left the military, found evidence of Mcveigh still in the military at a demolitions training school on a military base.
00:01:11.000military base specializing in demolition and he videotaped and we now have the video and stills going up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com today.
00:01:23.000We now have these and are getting them up on the site right now.
00:01:26.000Proof of McVeigh still in the military at a demolitions training school.
00:01:42.000And we were contacted by the editor at Hustler Magazine.
00:01:47.000The only folks out there in mainstream media land that had the courage to put this report out.
00:01:53.000So I really don't want to hear criticisms.
00:01:55.000Oh, you're interviewing someone whose report got in Hustler.
00:02:00.000By hook or by crook, we are getting this information out to the American people, and we're doing a report on it today.
00:02:07.000The editor over at the magazine was very gracious to contact us and put us in contact with the man who was at the base and shot the video of this.
00:02:28.000Strangely enough, the video is acting weird in several of our DVD players because it's on a different format, but we are struggling to get it captured.
00:02:37.000And I did just see McVeigh's little face there in a Humvee right before I ran into the studio to do the live radio transmission.
00:02:47.000And so we have The filmmaker who was there at the base, joining us in the second hour.
00:03:14.000And we know there are 5,000 Iraqis in this country right now And if the New World Order gives a simple order, they will blow up chemical plants, police facilities, federal buildings, coast to coast.
00:03:27.000The New World Order can bring the country to its knees within a matter of hours, and this is what they've always had planned.
00:03:33.000They have many other contingency operations to destroy our infrastructure instantly.
00:03:39.000And so the police and military need to know who's going to do it, when they do it.
00:03:44.000But I know you'll just be patriotic and wave a plastic desecrated American flag made by a Chinese slave and won't listen to me.
00:03:51.000You'll probably put me in a FEMA camp for trying to warn you and trying to save this country.
00:03:56.000I understand what it's like to be an evil American Al-Qaeda now, as Laura Ingraham and others have said, because I know Al-Qaeda is Al-Cieda.
00:04:07.000I'm a bad person, ladies and gentlemen.
00:04:10.000I have committed many, many crimes here.
00:04:51.000And then we have another huge guest, Professor Francis A. Boyle, joining us about the government launching the anthrax attacks in the third hour.
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00:08:14.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:18.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:08:22.000Coming up in the third hour, the 1 o'clock hour Central Standard Time, we're going to be interviewing Francis A. Boyle. we're going to be interviewing Francis A. Boyle. - Boom.
00:08:42.000He's written the book, Destroying World Order, U.S.
00:08:45.000Imperialism in the Middle East, before and after September 11th.
00:08:50.000And let me tell you a little bit about him.
00:08:54.000government biological weapons legislator says 2001 Anthrax attacks, part of government bio-warfare program.
00:09:04.000Now we already knew this, but he's a real expert.
00:09:07.000Expert says FBI covered up the plot to attack Congress, which may have been perpetrated by the same people who carried out September 11th.
00:09:14.000This is a big report from Infowars.net that came out last week.
00:09:19.000The real culprits behind the 2001 attacks against Congress were most likely U.S.
00:09:25.000government scientists at the Army's Fort Detrick, Maryland, bioterrorism lab, according to a former government biological weapons legislator and University of Illinois professor.
00:09:36.000Francis A. Boyle says the FBI covered up these facts and has also been quite clearly stated that he doubts the official government story that 19 Arab hijackers with box cutters perpetrated the attacks of 9-11.
00:09:51.000Boyle is a leading American professor, practitioner, and advocate of international law.
00:09:56.000He was responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention, He served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International and represented Bosnia and Herzegovina at the World Court.
00:10:13.000Professor Boyle teaches International Law at the University of Illinois.
00:10:17.000champagne he holds a doctorate of law magna cum laude as well as a PhD in political science both from Harvard University and he basically says it's a US government anthrax attack on the American people and on Democratic members of Congress and will also pick his brain on a stratagem to impeach the arch criminal puppet George W. Bush so that's coming up in the third hour This came in Friday.
00:10:46.000I knew that last week we've been contacted by the editor.
00:10:51.000The editor of Hustler Magazine contacted us and said, we know that you're one of the few outlets that's probably got the courage to run with this.
00:10:59.000And I was aware that there have been reports that McVeigh had stayed in the U.S.
00:11:03.000military, in the Army, that he had been, quote, sheet-dipped.
00:11:07.000That's when they, you know, stage your death in some radical cases.
00:11:10.000In most cases, they discharge you, and then you really carry out covert operations.
00:11:15.000You really get brought into the operations of the National Security Council, the President.
00:11:24.000Sometimes you work for private corporations.
00:11:27.000And we knew that McVeigh was part of a larger program.
00:11:31.000We have the famous photos taken at Fort Grouper there in Oklahoma just a few weeks before 9-11 by some pilots that shows the Ryder truck, what looks like the exact Ryder truck being loaded out of a huge fuel oil tank.
00:12:40.000This should be on every national television program, it should be in every newspaper, every magazine, and we're here trying to force this over the edge.
00:12:48.000This will not be the first time that Hustler Magazine has broken national stories.
00:12:53.000They've exposed a lot of pervert Republicans, they've exposed countless stories that go national, and I hope and pray that this story does go national.
00:13:03.000Larry Flint, love him or hate him, say what you want about him, I'm Larry Flint, I interviewed him about 8 or 9 years ago.
00:13:12.000Say what you want about Larry Flint, the guy certainly is not controlled and does whatever he wants.
00:13:18.000And he's got a huge article basically coming out saying that all the evidence points towards the government being involved in the attacks.
00:13:29.000And that's the evidence that we have, and I can only commend their editor, who I've had a chance to talk to.
00:14:29.000In fact, you've given me, you've reprieved me here, the torture.
00:14:35.000Uh, of the female form, so I can simply, you've got me a Xerox copy of this.
00:14:42.000Now, you've been talking to the editor a lot more than I have because I was out of town last week and I talked to him briefly last week before I left.
00:14:49.000Now, we're going to write our own story, and really they're giving us an exclusive.
00:14:53.000We have been sent video that they obviously can't put in a magazine.
00:14:57.000We have video of McVeigh And Murphy's Law, it is crashing in our computer.
00:15:16.000It's on record that he saw McVeigh, and he's speaking out now.
00:15:21.000This fits in with all the other intel we have.
00:15:23.000Give us a brief rundown, Kevin, of what's coming up.
00:15:25.000Well, you're going to hear from William Bean, and he was in South Dakota scouting this location for a movie, and he just was going about his business filming scenes, and he had some interaction with troops, and this base specializes in engineering and demolitions, and this fellow turns around, it looks like a Humvee or some sort of half-track vehicle, And it looks like McVeigh.
00:17:59.000Bill Bean has a lot of courage, and what he's doing is going to make him a lot safer.
00:18:03.000By the way, when I was out of town, I did get a call, and now I have his name of the source.
00:18:10.000uh... with the muckraker report uh... heard the israelis uh... speaking in hebrew there at that uh... new jersey cemetery months before nine eleven saying when the towers come down on the what terrorism is like i have now i've got a message from him i got his full name and we're now in negotiations to get him on the radio show on that front.
00:18:36.000So this is just getting bigger and bigger by the minute, all the different reports that we have here.
00:18:41.000But the video has not been seen before.
00:18:57.000We're having trouble capturing it, but we're going to get it captured from hell or high water, or the hair lips of the Admiral, as they say.
00:19:06.000We'll get him to send us another one, but this is just unbelievable.
00:19:12.000Did you scan this to make me copies of this article?
00:19:15.000Just use the copier out of the magazine.
00:19:16.000Yeah, why don't you, so Paul has this, can you scan this and shoot these over to Watson?
00:19:24.000Or shoot him the text somehow, so that he can work off of their report too, so we can get a report out on this as quickly as possible.
00:19:34.000I mean, this is live here at this office, just a few people, and we're doing the amount of reporting of 20 or 30 people here at the office.
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00:24:39.000Screaming round Well on the way Dead in a cloud The man of a thousand voices Talking perfectly loud Welcome back.
00:24:58.000But nobody ever hears him Or the sound he appears to make Jack Blood Got roughed up by the Lordships Saturday night.
00:25:09.000Here in Austin, Texas And it's just a classic story Of where Jack saw a guy getting beat up So he went to the person's aide The attackers, I guess the muggers Or whatever they are Ran off And then he simply helped the man Who had his nose broken Had to go to the hospital And when the cops showed up They just went ahead and maced him And then took him to jail And then forced him to give a urine sample So he was going to go to the hospital So they could then try to use that against him, hoping something was in his urine.
00:26:04.000And I saw a cop show where a fella pulled over on the side of a country road, but a surveillance camera was picking it up, to use the bathroom.
00:26:53.000or we'd drive from Texas to Canada or we'd drive from Texas to the Keys of Florida and back or we'd drive through the Southwest and into the mountains and up into Wyoming and Idaho.
00:27:06.000And back then, and most of you remember this, you saw cars everywhere.
00:27:10.000Back then there weren't as many gas stations, but still there are a lot of areas where you won't see a gas station for 200 miles, 100 miles.
00:27:17.000People pull over and you, you know, they go behind a bush or you do whatever you can, but you use the bathroom.
00:27:23.000And you notice you don't see that anymore because Americans know you will be charged as a sex offender.
00:27:30.000And tens of thousands of people in the sexual predator registry Sex Offender Registry is for being caught urinating on the sides of roads.
00:27:42.000That's just an illustration of taking normal behavior, normal behavior, and criminalizing it.
00:28:00.000In fact, I have a, well he's dead now actually, as a friend of one of my friend's dad's who worked at a chemical plant in Houston and he had, I don't know why I'm adding that part, he had diabetes.
00:28:15.000And one time around the campfire he was telling the story when we were deer hunting about how he had to pull over, this was just I don't know like 7 or 8 years ago, I think it was about 9 or 10 years ago actually, how he had to pull over to use the bathroom, and he said because of the type of diabetes he had, sometimes he had to go like every hour.
00:28:33.000And they ticketed him, and he had to beg not to be arrested.
00:28:43.000Well, you should just go in your pants.
00:28:45.000And then, of course, there's those police state reports all over the country where you refuse to give a urine or blood sample at the hospital when they take you.
00:28:59.000And it's no longer torture, it's pain compliance.
00:29:02.000And they keep tasering and tasering until you quote, submit.
00:29:07.000So just an illustration of the police state we live in, in Europe, in the US, in England, where things that just 25, 30 years ago, We're normal.
00:29:20.000And you all remember as a child pulling over, and your parents, you had to go.
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00:35:41.000I'll tell you, John does the work of ten people too, just like we do here at this office.
00:35:46.000And the reason I'm introing it with you get a sexual predator charge if you're caught urinating on the side of the road, you know, even in the bushes, with nothing around, you know, but cows for miles and grasshoppers.
00:36:00.000I've got reports here where people are being arrested for playing tag now.
00:36:05.000Dog balls have been banned coast to coast.
00:36:10.000Model pupil ends up with criminal record for a push in the playground.
00:36:14.000The police were accused of invading the classroom last night after a 14-year-old schoolboy ended up with a criminal record for pushing over a boy he suspected of bullying his younger brother.
00:36:25.000Now in the past they would just give you a paddling or you'd get in trouble or they'd say good job you're standing up to a bully.
00:37:04.000We interviewed the family model student again on the honor roll.
00:37:09.000football team, teacher's pet, doing a great job and in the art class they said draw a picture of somebody in your family, draw a picture of his father with an M16.
00:37:21.000Police were called, he was taken into quote protective custody to make sure SWAT team was on standby and they suspended him, I forget, I think it was like three days.
00:37:35.000You've all heard about the cases where It's always a valedictorian or a salutatorian, we've interviewed them as well, where in one case it was an after school party last day of school for her favorite teacher who was attending one of the student clubs and she brought a cake and you have little Dixie cup plastic boxes that have say 10 spoons, 10 forks, 10 knives, Security guards said, oh, what is that in your bag?
00:38:03.000He did the cursory search, that's freedom in America, found those and said under zero tolerance, this serrated edge butter knife, and she was arrested.
00:38:14.000She was stripped of her last semester, had to go to summer school just to graduate, and lost her... in that case she was a salutatorian.
00:38:22.000In another case, a girl was moving out that weekend because she was a valedictorian and she wanted to start college that summer.
00:38:31.000Didn't want to wait, wanted to start college immediately, had the pickup truck loaded with all her stuff, And her mother had given her a new set of utensils, you know, the stainless steel type, and it had serrated butter knives in it.
00:38:45.000Cops saw it, called the police, or the security guards saw it, called them, and she was arrested and lost.
00:40:24.000You know, you're lucky you're only being charged with some low-level stuff.
00:40:27.000If you would have been caught, you know, shoving a bully or urinating on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere, you'd be charged with felonies.
00:40:37.000Well, I actually expected to get a lot more charges than I did, but I think that they started to feel a little humiliated about what they had done to me, at least on an administrative level, and tried to reduce it to just enough of a charge to justify arresting me and putting me through the hell that they did.
00:40:53.000Now, you actually went out to help somebody.
00:40:56.000Suddenly, you walk out the back door, no doubt smoking cigarettes.
00:41:20.000In fact, the The guy that was getting attacked works at the Jackalope.
00:41:24.000What had happened, Alex, and I got some of this after the fact, was one of the employees at the Jackalope on 6th Street saw a number of kids pissing in the alley.
00:43:01.000They didn't ask anyone what my role was in this whole thing.
00:43:05.000They just drug me off to jail, and the humiliation that I took while being in custody of our finest here for 12 hours was really beyond description.
00:43:14.000I mean, I've barely told the tip of the iceberg of the story.
00:43:42.000I didn't behave myself, and I was immediately thrown into a cell with Four or five very aggressive police officers, still handcuffed the entire time.
00:44:38.000I probably, I think what I heard from witnesses is I turned around to face who was grabbing me.
00:44:42.000I was then maced directly into the eyes and blinded and violently handcuffed so much so that I have a very deep two-inch gash on my hand just from that.
00:44:53.000But see, that's not safe for the police officer itself.
00:44:55.000They should announce themselves instead of just jumping on people.
00:45:26.000Because I'm trying to let them know that, you know, hey look, you better treat me the best way you know how to treat someone, because if you don't, here I am today, I guess is living proof is what will happen.
00:45:43.000So I get in, they bring me into the facilities, the holding facilities, along with a number of other key Al-Qaeda offenders.
00:45:51.000And I wasn't quiet, so at this point, this is the point where they took me into a back cell, where I was in a cell with four or five police who were berating me.
00:46:01.000On the one hand, they're trying to take my blood pressure and trying to give me some kind of a medical assistance, because I guess being maced... No, no.
00:46:10.000That's their excuse to get your blood and try to criminally charge you, hoping you're on drugs.
00:46:13.000Well, of course, and I didn't volunteer that.
00:46:16.000And because Because this was not going very well.
00:46:20.000I had another incident with a police officer in the cell.
00:46:23.000This is when I asked if I could go to the bathroom the first time, and this is when the first officer told me that I could just go into my pants.
00:46:31.000But I told them, Alex, I said, look, I'm not going to go in my pants, and this will get extremely ugly if you don't let me go to the bathroom.
00:46:39.000At that point they let me urinate into a drain in this cell.
00:46:43.000It was at that point I was strapped to a gurney and sent to Breckenridge Hospital, which I've overheard a number of nurses call Krakenridge, I guess because of all the crack casualties that end up there.
00:46:55.000And I was violently, again, handcuffed to a gurney.
00:46:58.000The handcuffs were so tight, Alex, I couldn't feel the blood moving in my left hand and my arm was swelling up the size of the handcuffs themselves.
00:47:09.000I was tied to this gurney by these handcuffs for probably four hours, again, asking multiple times, can I go to the restroom?
00:47:51.000So, and this is when, when I made a point that I did not want them keeping my urine, this is when Officer Harvey got extremely violent with me again, right in the middle of the hospital, and nearly broke my arm to get me back into custody at the holding facilities.
00:48:08.000Now, I mean, what position were you in at that time?
00:48:13.000Well I mean I was laying down the gurney and he went to get me up and I said look I'm not going anywhere until because the doctor who as you read in the story.
00:48:20.000What did he do like grab the cuffs and jerk them or what did he do?
00:48:22.000Exactly jerk my wrist nearly up to my neck I mean I thought he was going to break my arm.
00:48:28.000Well he can beat the rap but he can't beat the ride you should go ahead and sue him personally.
00:49:02.000I was telling him about a lot of the work that we do.
00:49:05.000I was telling him about police violence.
00:49:07.000I told him that he would make a great Secret Service officer and that maybe I could help him get a job in the Secret Service.
00:49:15.000But here's the thing, I cannot comply when I'm not being respected by my jailers.
00:49:20.000Whenever they respected me, I complied and I was very calm and very nice.
00:49:24.000Well, they've standardized torture in the jails, and that's why four of the prisons around Austin in the last five years have been shut down for literally making rape videos, raping men.
00:49:36.000The jailers throughout history always turn into creatures far worse than their wards.
00:49:41.000Well, and this actually gets worse, Alex.
00:49:44.000It went on and on and on and on for hours.
00:49:46.000I mean, I have quite a story to tell here, and I don't think we probably have the time.
00:49:49.000Well, in the 12 hours, I mean, just hit the low points.
00:49:52.000Well, again, getting out of the hospital, having to leave my urine sample, my blood sample at the hospital, and I was again dragged off back to the holding facilities where I was left in deplorable conditions.
00:50:06.000The only water in these holding facilities, Alex, was a men's room bathroom sink which was full of vomit.
00:50:12.000That was the only place to... No, I know.
00:50:15.000I've been in the Austin jail down on 7th Street.
00:50:28.000I had a run-in, I guess, with this female sheriff in the holding facility, who was very upset with me, Alex, for wanting to go to sleep after being awake for 24 hours.
00:50:39.000Threw me in a 3x3 holding, or 5x5 holding cell, as you say, covered with mucus, where I stayed for 4 hours.
00:50:47.000Austin has the next to the record, even per capita, not just per capita, total, Record deaths in the state of Texas.
00:50:54.000You're lucky they didn't hang you high in there.
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00:54:38.000I mean, you turn loose a bunch of people, you don't keep them in line, the society itself is turning into gang member land, you're going to have a problem!
00:54:47.000And all the bullies from the You Knew In Childhood folks are in the system now.
00:54:50.000And it's only going to get worse until we turn it around.
00:54:54.000Jack, why do you think then, if they were going to try to charge you with a bunch of other stuff, I mean, you're lucky.
00:54:59.000I've seen video, and we've put it in documentaries, where people don't even touch the cops, like Osa Motley.
00:55:06.000They beat them up, and then charge you with assaulting them.
00:55:10.000So, right now, what are they charging you with?
00:55:13.000With public intoxication, which is a standard charge down on 6th Street.
00:55:17.000Everybody coming in through there gets the standard charge and it really is pretty generic.
00:55:23.000I gotta tell ya, the reason why I don't think they charged me with more was because of the great doctor at Breckenridge Hospital who was a fan of mine and yours, Alex, and told me and the police officer several times What a big fan he was and I think at that point they started to understand that I really was with the media and I think they kind of wanted this just to go away.
00:55:42.000I am of course going to be contesting these charges and let me just say again that the hospital staff at Breckenridge was extremely helpful and professional to me as were the ambulance drivers who were just par excellence as far as dealing with me and extremely kind, generous And very, very professional.
00:56:02.000And this really, I think, is very backwards.
00:56:05.000It doesn't matter what kind of medical condition you have.
00:56:07.000It doesn't matter what you might want to ask, such as being able to go to the bathroom, etc., etc.
00:56:12.000Everything has to be cleared by your jailer who sits with you in the hospital.
00:56:16.000So no matter what you're complaining about, what health problems you might have, they have to ask the police officer if it's okay to work with you.
00:56:26.000You didn't know that all police have a medical degree?
00:56:29.000And thanks to one of the nurses, the policeman, his name is Officer Harvey, aka Roy Boy, had to loosen my handcuffs because it was again cutting off circulation, my wrist is still... Now, now, Jack, we don't know that about him.
00:56:45.000We do know though that we're going to have to investigate this story and that it's too bad this happened to you.
00:56:53.000Frankly, that's why I don't really get anywhere near 6th Street anymore because there's got some good restaurants down there because I've had guys that I knew at the gym back in college.
00:57:03.000who no doubt have a hormone imbalance, and they are literally just out there starting fights.
00:57:12.000I know big bouncers who are now cops, and they just want to beat people up. - Well, let me say this.
00:57:20.000One of my listeners wrote me and made a good point.
00:57:23.000He said that they put all of these Nazi cops, the worst cops possible, down on 6th Street to deal with what goes on down there.
00:57:29.000And I sympathize with him because I know some of the nonsense that happens down on 6th Street.
00:57:34.000But I mean, here you have this magnet.
00:57:37.000All of these bars and clubs down there, it draws everybody down, as you know, Alex, into Austin, Texas.
00:57:42.000And then again, if you don't, if you find yourself, like I did, trying to defend somebody who was helpless on the ground, and you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, I mean, you just suffer along with everybody else.
00:57:51.000Well, that's really the shame here, is you did the good Samaritan thing, but it's the old African saying, no good deed will go unpunished.
00:58:00.000But the key here is that I don't know what happened to 6th Street, because I think the bad cops have driven folks out, or maybe the gang members have.
00:58:09.00010, 15 years ago, 6th Street had a lot of nice people, it was fun.
00:58:12.000Now, I go down there, and a lot of it's just thugs everywhere, so it's a mess.
00:58:17.000Well, I want to thank the people at the Jackalope down there, who are also very helpful.
00:58:21.000We have a lot of witnesses to this, Alex, including the young man who was attacked and beat up.
00:58:26.000He had a broken nose and several injuries himself.
00:58:28.000Are you going to interview him today on your show?
00:58:30.000I don't know if I'll have him on today.
00:58:31.000I want to see... I have a core appearance on Wednesday.
00:58:33.000I'm going to see how this goes and then we'll figure out how to proceed from there.
01:00:38.000I think the best way to do this is tell us about yourself, tell us who you are, tell us where you were, and then how you woke up to the footage you had and the incredible harassment and intimidation you've gone through since you got this footage.
01:00:51.000I started as a local actor in Chicago.
01:00:54.000I took screenwriting classes and wrote a number of screenplays.
01:01:00.000I formed a small group of people that were interested in making a film.
01:01:05.000I formed a production company, and I went out to the Dakotas to look for locations for some of the scenes.
01:01:13.000I contacted the North Dakota Film Office, and they directed me to a small military base called Camp Grafton.
01:01:24.000I'd never heard of it, and I actually wasn't that interested in going to see it, but they said, it's right on your way to the other locations.
01:01:32.000You'd probably have a good time seeing it.
01:01:36.000And for those that don't know, in filmmaking, a big part of it is scouting locations, and then every county, every city, or most counties and cities, but all states, have special offices trying to get films made in their state.
01:01:48.000It's very competitive, so they were there helping you.
01:01:50.000Right, that was the North Dakota Film Office, and they were a great help to me, and directed me over to Camp Grafton.
01:01:58.000I went to Camp Grafton and met the superintendent, a man by the name of Colonel Dahl.
01:02:04.000I videotaped myself talking to him and he said that I was there that day to scout locations for a film.
01:02:13.000I then took a tour of the base and basically videotaped everywhere I went and the upshot of that was about an hour or so into the tour I, uh, saw two guys parking a tank.
01:02:29.000So, um, I forget whether I just walked away from the tour or whether I asked if I could go inside the tank, but anyway, once the tank was parked, uh, I went over with my video camera running and, uh, it had a kind of a porthole entrance in the rear of the tank.
01:03:42.000Wait until you hear the details with our guest, Bill Bean.
01:03:46.000On the other side, we have them red-handed.
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01:07:25.000Right now we are joined by Bill Bean, filmmaker out there in the Dakotas, scouting film locations with the Film Office of the state.
01:07:33.000He was directed out to a military base.
01:07:36.000He got authorization from the Colonel Dahl to tape.
01:07:40.000Everybody was very friendly, but then he goes up to the back of a portal to a large armored vehicle and starts videotaping the person as upset, trying to be furtive, trying to basically cover their face.
01:11:05.000About a year later I started to get Hang-up phone calls and at first it didn't really mean much to me other than it was annoying.
01:11:18.000I thought well maybe somebody just got a number that's similar to mine or something like that.
01:11:23.000But then the hang-up phone calls started to have a pattern to them wherein I'd get up in the morning and there'd be a hang-up phone call but nobody'd be there.
01:11:34.000I'd walk into the bathroom there'd be a hang-up phone call nobody'd be there.
01:11:39.000I'd say, who the heck is giving us these hang-up phone calls?
01:11:42.000There'd be a hang-up phone call, nobody'd be there.
01:11:45.000This went on, eventually it went on for ten years, and I'm not exaggerating this at all.
01:11:52.000It progressed from mere hang-up phone calls to people, I would have somebody in my house and I'd be speaking to them directly, you know, maybe we'd have just a normal conversation, who's better, the Cubs or the White Sox?
01:12:07.000And then the phone would ring and somebody would say, well the White Sox are better.
01:12:40.000And then it progressed from that to I could be at somebody else's house, or somebody else's apartment, and if I brought up the subject of hang-up phone calls, they would then get a hang-up phone call on their phone.
01:12:55.000Now you were under heavy surveillance.
01:12:58.000Uh, well, you know, I don't know who did it, and I don't know exactly how they did it, but I was allowed to know that not only was my phone tapped, But my emails were intercepted, my credit card purchases were monitored.
01:13:14.000And of course, this happens so often, you probably never would have put two and two together with the footage you had from ten years before if they hadn't have done this harassment.
01:13:23.000But they were trying to flesh you out, see what you were doing.
01:13:37.000Then in 96, in January of 96, I made the acquaintance of a man and his wife.
01:13:47.000And it later was revealed to me that they had gone into a bookstore.
01:13:52.000I used to go to a bookstore every Saturday.
01:13:55.000And it was later told to me that what they had done is they had gone into the bookstore every Saturday for a month and just sat there and watched me.
01:14:27.000So anyway, I got to know this couple, um, very pleasant, very nice people.
01:14:33.000And after I had known them for a couple of months, it turned out that he was a retired military intelligence officer from Fort Huachuca, Arizona.
01:14:42.000And Fort Huachuca, I believe, is where they have signal intercept.
01:14:46.000So that's a place where, like the NSA, where they listen to phone calls and they monitor But I will tell you harassment would probably be done from a sub office under the name of a private corporation with a U.S.
01:15:04.000government agent over it with private contractors just from past things we witnessed.
01:15:10.000Yes, when I got the hang-up phone calls, then I learned to do star 69, and I learned to record what happened when I dialed star 69.
01:15:31.000For instance, I'd get a hang-up phone call, and then I'd
01:15:35.000put the record on and I'd dial star 69 and then an operator would come on and say the number of your last incoming call was blah blah blah blah blah and then they'd say punch one now to call that number back so then I would punch the number back and then another operator would come on and say the number you just dialed blah blah blah blah does not exist well it's the same number that the other operator just gave me or I would get a hang up phone call and Uh, same thing.
01:16:46.000They've done other government-sponsored terror stuff in the past.
01:16:50.000And so they do do these reports and of course I'm sure well I want to get into how you finally got in contact with the media and how this has now come out but but please continue with what then happened next.
01:17:02.000Yeah then it progressed to I would have a private conversation in in my house or somebody else's house or whatever and then maybe the next day I'd be sitting down at a restaurant and Five, eight minutes after I'm sitting there, two guys would come in and they'd sit on either side of me, and then they'd basically have the same conversation with each other that I had with somebody in private the night before.
01:17:27.000And, like, for the first five times that this happened, I thought, well, that's a coincidence.
01:17:32.000That's just what I was talking about last night.
01:17:35.000And you have to remember, before you think I'm really stupid, I didn't know that this was Tim McVeigh on the tape.
01:17:41.000But let me tell you why they probably did this, and the reason I know this is I've studied past harassment cases, past declassified operations.
01:17:50.000At first, it was to watch you and monitor you, to find out if you knew what you had.
01:17:54.000Then they decided, in case you ever found out about it, to do all this so it would sound so ridiculous, so you would add all this now to the story you're telling with the video, to cloud any discussion of the video and make it sound like you're nuts, instead of looking at the video.
01:18:09.000A lot of COINTELPRO operations are meant to, in black ops, to have everything so weird and so convoluted, it's called a smoke screen, that people can't get through to the original information.
01:18:23.000In fact, when I met that retired military intelligence officer, out of the blue he would ask me questions like, Do you know the difference between a military investigation and a civilian one?
01:18:39.000And I had no idea what he was talking about, and I'd say, well, no, I don't know.
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01:23:17.000And our guest today, Franklin Sanders, says we need to live for our freedom, not die for our freedom.
01:23:25.000And I thank you very much for joining us today, Franklin, because you are walking the walk And again, just a couple of things.
01:23:31.000Give us an idea of a couple of the reasons why you are concerned in making the stand that you're doing right now.
01:23:37.000What two things would you say probably are more, well, disconcerting to you as to where this country is going?
01:23:49.000Joy, you know your own experience, right?
01:23:53.000You started out probably green as a gourd, and you found, you got on the trail of something that was wrong.
01:23:59.000And then you found out that you, when you went to the, quote, the authorities with it, that not only did they not care it was wrong, that they were in on it.
01:24:15.000And so it's very easy after you see this going on, and after you have the government actually try to kill you and your family, not because you've done anything wrong, but because you simply know the truth, I mean, the truth that exists in the law, you know, in the written law.
01:24:36.000When you figure that out, you figure out finally through your thick skull that these people can't be trusted, that they're the enemies of everything decent, and in fact, the enemies of human life.
01:24:49.000And so, I don't know, it just becomes, that's something that just Becomes the fact that you live with and you have to do something about it.
01:24:58.000I mean, you have to, either that or you have to die.
01:25:10.000What I'm trying to make your listeners understand is that there was a shift from the household economy to the industrial economy.
01:25:20.000And that what was planned in that shift, it's not that I'm being conspiratorial, because there was a way in which there was a social trend there that was happening that was being pushed by technology, by the new technology, which made centralized labor a little more, considerably more profitable and more sensible.
01:25:41.000See, before that, people actually worked in their own homes.
01:25:45.000They were spread over the face of the earth.
01:26:27.000And then the steam mills came in and replaced that.
01:26:33.000So that process was going on in the 19th century.
01:26:37.000But after the war between the states, remember I said it wasn't the North that won, it wasn't the South that won, it was the corporations that won.
01:26:45.000Those people behind those corporations, people like Carnegie, set out to remold society so that they would create, through government schooling, docile workers, and voracious consumers to keep their system going.
01:27:04.000Now, anybody can go on the Internet and order John Gatto's book.
01:27:07.000And I tell you, John is a wonderful fellow.
01:27:10.000He was Teacher of the Year in the public schools in New York, New York City, and New York State.
01:27:15.000And after he won that award, he made an announcement in the Wall Street Journal that he was quitting education because he was tired of hurting children and he wasn't going to contribute to it anymore.
01:27:25.000But what Gatto did was, and Gatto's not a paranoid conspiratorialist or any of that stuff.
01:27:35.000Gatto's a very good, very serious researcher, and what he does is he shows these connections.
01:27:42.000He shows how they built up and developed a system that would indoctrinate children through the public education system to be docile workers and ferocious consumers.
01:28:23.000We're going to be right back after this break, find out how he is going to do it with his family, and what he thinks we need to do to prepare.
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01:32:35.000But the editor over there at Hustler, the investigative journalist that did a lot of the reporting on this, Brian Sachs, just amazing.
01:32:47.000We're going to go back to our guest here in just a moment.
01:32:50.000And again, he graciously sent us the video, stills of it.
01:32:56.000The reporters over there at the magazine contacted us to give us this information because they're listeners and because they're doing a
01:33:03.000feature story on 9-11 truth in a couple months and they just want to get this information out and it's it's remember it was it was hustler that broke the stuff with Jimmy Swaggart and the prostitute my point is is that they do they do real old-fashioned investigative reporting over there and I've had a chance to read some of the advances on the 9-11 cover story and it's it's unbelievable
01:33:33.000In the same issue, there's articles about the Bushes and the Nazis.
01:33:36.000I mean, I just can't believe this is in the mainstream news.
01:33:39.000But again, you don't see CNN or Fox reporting on it.
01:34:03.000I've been so busy that we never got it done, because it takes time to put them together, offer them, get them out.
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01:34:30.000Because I'm always so busy on the next story, the next report, so busy making the next film, literally working 18 hours a day, many days, that I never had time to go back and do it.
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01:39:01.000Okay, let's go back to my guest who I think I'm going to try to hold about 5-10 minutes into the next hour.
01:39:06.000We need to go through this whole story.
01:39:08.000We're talking to Bill Bean, the filmmaker who was out there in 1993, videotapes, it was clearly McVeigh, we'll go through the evidence of that in a few minutes.
01:39:17.000At this base, a year and a half, I'm in a mistake, I said a year, a year and a half after he was out of the military entirely, washed up basically, but the intel we have from state police, FBI and others was he was really sheep dipped, a U.S.
01:39:32.000government agent, Sheep-dipping is when they take you into covert operations by claiming that you were discharged.
01:39:38.000Or there's extreme sheep-dipping where they claim, you know, you died.
01:40:35.000When did you click that that's why there's been all this harassment?
01:40:39.000Uh, when I looked at the internet and saw more of a detailed rundown of his life and of his military involvement and saw that no matter which side I went to, his military involvement ended and basically, uh,
01:40:52.000uh... ninety-two and that's when it ended cut-and-dried and then i began to realize researchers like myself and others had had had detailed that he was still in a covert operation and the government denied it and called it a conspiracy theory here's evidence that we've been correct well i'll be interested in seeing what'll take place now let me tell you that i just got back from washington dc and i dropped off all this information over at congressman rohrbacher's office
01:41:20.000And then they, you know, they were going to have the hearings in December about reopening the investigation into the Oklahoma City bombing.
01:43:09.000I was sitting with his wife in the kitchen, and she said to me, Uh, she mentioned his name, the husband, and she said, yeah, he was talking about, uh, about you, uh, with a general in Washington last night.
01:43:24.000And I said to her, he was talking about me to a general in Washington.
01:43:30.000She began to say something and then he walked into the room and she changed the subject and would never bring it up again.
01:43:36.000So basically, uh, in about June or so of 96, after I'd known these people for about six months, Everybody in my life just seemed to know too much about me and I just felt pressure from all sides and so I just basically ended my relationship with them.
01:43:58.000Did anybody advise you to make copies of this tape once you woke up to get it out to other sources so you'd be safe?
01:45:03.000I had the video, and then I made copies of it, and then I wanted to get a voice analysis done, so I went to a place in Wisconsin here, not far from Chicago, and again, I told no one I was doing this, but again, to show you that they were watching me,
01:45:24.000I went to the place that did the forensics voice work, didn't make a reservation, just walked up to the door and knocked and entered, and the person who owned the place and did the actual work wasn't there, but their secretaries and aides were there.
01:45:40.000And I said, well, I've got Tim McVeigh on tape, and what I want to do is do a voice match to see, okay, does the voice match?
01:45:48.000This is Tim McVeigh as far as the forensics work goes.
01:45:51.000And they said, well yeah, we can do that.
01:45:54.000And for those that don't know, the best way to do it, the way they did it with the fake Bin Laden tape, the fat Bin Laden, very shoddy job, is you take a real Bin Laden tape and create a voice key.
01:46:02.000That's what you use with voice ID on your phone system or your security system at your office or house, folks.
01:46:07.000This has been well developed for over a decade.
01:46:10.000And then, They take the new tape and see if it will fool the key.
01:46:14.000Now, if the audio isn't high enough or is distorted, if it isn't clear, still it won't activate the voice key, but if it's close enough, they can then tell by the pattern and tell with almost 100% certainty that it is McVeigh.
01:47:00.000So basically, they made an appointment for me to come in a few days later, bring in the tape, because I didn't want to let it out of my sight.
01:47:08.000And then they would do the forensics test while I was there.
01:47:12.000I left, I called them a few days later, and they informed me they would not be able to do the forensics voice test on there.
01:47:21.000So to make a long story short, who did you finally get to do the voice analysis?
01:47:43.000Yeah, you can read the report and certainly, for instance, the guy in the soldier in the tank, his voice comes out to like 153 cycles a second and the known McVeigh voice from 60 Minutes interview was 151 cycles a second.
01:48:06.000Both of these, they're so nearly exact and they're above the norm, which is The norm is like 125 to 145 cycles a second.
01:48:16.000Anything above 145 cycles makes you then seem to have a high voice.
01:48:21.000So he went off just the overall tonal quality and the different pitch cycles.
01:48:27.000So the tape wasn't good enough to do a voice print comparison?
01:48:33.000I do know that he also used 10 other people to repeat the same phrases that the soldier in the tank used, and then they compared all those different people to known to a voice of McVeigh, and then had independent people listen and say, which individual is and then had independent people listen and say, which individual is this
01:48:59.000Now, in the report, uh, the scientist is saying that the video quality was moderate, uh, but that he was still able to do a good test.
01:49:06.000So, it probably wasn't good enough to do an actual voice print.
01:49:10.000Well, um, he's clunking around there with his shoes and stuff.
01:49:14.000Yeah, he says mouth-to-microphone distance was inconsistent.
01:49:17.000As I said, it was moving around the recording, so the sound of the tank, of the metal in the shoes, that's what doesn't allow, I guess, a perfect voice print.
01:49:26.000But the professor basically says that he believes it's the same person?
01:49:33.000Sure, he asked me, did I want him to testify in a court of law, and I said, well I hope so, but I'm not ready yet.
01:49:41.000Well stay there, let's talk about the face analysis, the analysis, I mean I can just look at it, it's McVeigh, but an analysis was done of that as well, and we'll talk about why this is so important.
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01:53:50.000For those that just joined us, a full year and a half after Timothy McVeigh is supposedly out of the military, he is at this military base in the Dakotas, Camp Grafton.
01:54:03.000Our guest is out there scouting for a film he wants to make.
01:54:06.000He's shooting video of it, as you do on locations.
01:54:43.000We know that Al Husseini Hussein, this has even come out in court, was an Iraqi Republican guard trained by our government in the 80s when Saddam was our ally.
01:54:54.000Brought back in with 5,000 other Iraqis by Bush Sr., 3,000, Bill Clinton, 2,000 more.
01:55:00.000We know they're all over the country using all different sorts of nefarious activities.
01:55:06.000Al Husseini, Hussein, seen getting out.
01:55:07.000We've talked to FBI agents who saw the videotapes which were seized under national security showing these Arabs with McVeigh, people at It's the same old story.
01:55:18.000Topless bars, restaurants, just like with 9-11.
01:58:26.000He got footage of what's clearly Timothy McVeigh.
01:58:29.000A professor who's an expert in this did a voice print analysis, that is a cadence test, and said that it is conclusive that he would testify in court that it is the same person as Timothy McVeigh.
01:58:43.000Then there was also analysis done of the face, wasn't there?
01:58:50.000I know they do a thing where they look at the position of the pupils with the tip of the nose or something, but anything as far as the features on the face went, and specifically on the teeth.
01:59:01.000It's a biometric measurement and you can clearly, and of course human eye, the brain knows how to do this.
01:59:30.000This is very noticeable in photographs where he smiles and it's there in the photograph of the soldier in the tank too.
01:59:38.000I mean there's no question it is McVeigh.
01:59:41.000No, there's no question that it's McVeigh.
01:59:46.000This story is going to have a huge effect, because it just adds.
01:59:49.000You know, now since you learned the truth about Oklahoma City, and all the evidence of the other U.S.
01:59:55.000government agents involved, and McVeigh clearly being the patsy, and then McVeigh is grueling on the side of the highway saying, I've got a chip in my butt.
02:00:11.000And then the admitted top mind control doctor, Jolian West, Yeah, and a good point about going to Hustler was, Hustler was the last place I went to.
02:00:25.000I tried, let me tell you, I went to 60 Minutes, and 20-20, and Nightline, and Frontline, and Chicago Tribune, and on and on and on.
02:00:33.000And for the people that would, look at what I had.
02:00:43.000I would give them everything I had, just like I gave you.
02:00:48.000Maybe a week or so later I would get everything back and I would get a statement from them saying, we choose not to follow this, or we choose not to get involved with this subject.
02:00:57.000Or, I'm not going to name any names, but I went to somebody at a large newspaper here in Chicago.
02:01:04.000He looked at everything and the first thing he told me, and the next week was, he says, oh no, I checked with the military and McVeigh wasn't in the military.
02:01:11.000And I said, you're looking at the pictures yourself.
02:01:55.000Yeah, and, uh, again, I went to lawyer after lawyer after lawyer just before I knew it was McVeigh, just trying to seek some, uh, how do I handle this?
02:02:06.000And at first they'd just think I'm a kook, and then when I bring in all the information and the, I videotaped the cars following me and I got the license plate numbers and I have all this.
02:02:15.000And then once they were convinced themselves that it was true, they would just hold up their hand and say, nobody here can help you.
02:02:22.000And that's all I heard for years from lawyers.
02:02:26.000Well, the publication you got this in is known for breaking huge national stories.
02:02:32.000We're here trying to ensure that happens, and with the video you gave us, which is a total exclusive, folks, it's going up on the web real quick.
02:02:39.000And, uh, it looks like we might have some internet attacks going on right now, so that's another indicator.
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02:05:55.000Bill Bean had the voice analysis done by one of the top experts in our country on it, by a professor out in Utah, and he said he'll testify in court, this is the voice of Tim McVeigh.
02:06:11.000Now understand, they're inside an armored vehicle with the engine running, But still they were able to analyze his 60 Minutes interview before his quote execution integrated with this and it is conclusive this is Tim McVeigh.
02:06:27.000And you look at the video of it, I mean it's him.
02:06:29.000He's got the bunny rabbit teeth with the teeth beside those going inwards.
02:06:34.000He's got the same eye, same eyebrows, same face.
02:06:37.000He's just a couple years younger than the guy that we saw arrested in 1995.
02:07:03.000We're going to put the video up on the web, the stills, the photos, all of it.
02:07:06.000But this meshes with the state police, the FBI agents, everybody we've talked to.
02:07:10.000He was in a covert government operation.
02:07:12.000Supposedly, he thought when he got hired out of the military to infiltrate white supremacist groups and others.
02:07:18.000Then he's on the side of the road, you know, drooling when the state police pick him up minutes after the OKC bomb went off.
02:07:26.000And we have video, and we've talked to the FBI agents who saw the video of these Arabs with McVeigh.
02:07:32.000Then we know who those Arabs are because they got picked up by police and the police were already surveilling them, the state police were, and we have that footage of al-Husseini, Hussein, and others who were clearly trained by the U.S.
02:07:44.000government in the 80s, brought back in by Bush Sr.
02:07:47.000in the early 1990s as part of some larger black-op operation.
02:07:52.000I've got my next guest lined up and I really appreciate you coming on, Mr. Bean.
02:07:58.000Any other key points you want to close out with?
02:08:00.000It's clear we'll have to do a part two and have you back on so we can take questions from the audience maybe later this week or next week if you've got the time, sir.
02:08:11.000I mean, any other points or facets that we missed that you haven't covered?
02:08:14.000Well, the one important thing here is that nobody I went to was interested in dealing with this at all.
02:08:23.000And you said that major national publications said, we know it's McVeigh, it's too scary, we're not going to talk to you, but Hustler, the last place you went, did.
02:08:31.000Yeah, I went out to L.A. and I called Hustler on the phone.
02:08:37.000I said, I've got the videotaped Tim McVeigh, blah, blah, blah, and all this.
02:08:44.000And they said, can you be here in 45 minutes?
02:08:46.000I was there in 45 minutes and they had a room full of people sitting there and they had me replay it over and over and over and over again.
02:08:52.000And they asked me, what's the significance of this?
02:08:55.000And I gave them the explanation like I have to you.
02:09:00.000Then, now they didn't just take my word for it, because they spent months on their own investigating this to make sure everything I was saying was true.
02:09:08.000They just interviewed me and Dr. Stephen Jones on 9-11, and they spent months vetting it, and months calling us, and months wanting this, and months wanting that, and I've never seen media Do this with me before and I've interviewed by hundreds of newspapers hundreds of magazines 50-plus times national TV.
02:09:27.000I've never experienced this type of vetting.
02:09:29.000So I mean you've got a Despite you got a credit that they're due there for what they're what they are doing.
02:10:07.000There goes Bill Bean, ladies and gentlemen.
02:10:10.000Didn't know why he was being harassed, didn't know all the stuff was happening, and then one day they're there watching old video they'd shot, and there's McVeigh.
02:10:17.000And he still didn't know exactly, he just knew that's important.
02:10:20.000And then he found out he'd been out of the military for a year and a half.
02:10:23.000This is at a demolitions, specializing in demolitions base, and there's old McVeigh right there.
02:10:29.000Then the BATF, even the History Channel has reported, was practicing blowing up rider trucks in the desert.
02:10:42.000And then the BATF, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, runs up to the local doctor, who later died mysteriously, and the police officer, Terence Yakey, Cop of the Year, he was killed, he was murdered, tortured to death, because he was reporting the BATF ran up in full bomb gear and then demanded that doctors patch them up and claim they'd been on the ninth floor.
02:11:05.000And being a good cop, Terence Yeagy said, something's going on here.
02:11:08.000And boy, they stabbed him and tortured him for hours.
02:11:13.000All those stab wounds all over his body, bound hands, handcuff marks.
02:11:18.000He called his partner minutes before he disappeared, instead of being followed by a car full of feds.
02:11:24.000And we've had some of his colleagues here on the show.
02:11:28.000Police officers in Oklahoma saying the feds killed him.
02:11:31.000Alright, I'm going to shut up about that.
02:11:33.000I apologize to our illustrious guest, an amazing individual with so many letters I can't even begin to tell you, Francis A. Boyle, a scholar in the area of international law and human rights.
02:11:44.000Professor Boyle received a JD degree, magna cum laude, and PhD degrees in political science from Harvard University prior to joining the faculty of the College of Law.
02:11:54.000He was a teaching fellow at Harvard and an associate at its Center for International Affairs.
02:11:57.000He also practiced tax international Tax with Bingham, Diane, and Ground in Boston, and it goes on forever.
02:12:06.000He, of course, instrumentally was involved drafting the Biological Anti-Terrorism Act of 89, also American implementing legislation for the 72 Biological Weapons Convention, He was on the Board of Directors for Amnesty International.
02:12:45.000And he's also written another book on bio-warfare and terrorism on the subject of the anthrax attacks and he's going public saying that it's got InsightJob written all over it right out of Fort Detrick, Maryland and thank you so much for coming on, Doctor.
02:13:03.000Well, thank you for having me on, Alex, and my best to your listening audience and keep up the good work.
02:13:10.000I don't listen to you during the day or anything, I'm kind of busy, but I do periodically get Reports on the internet of important interviews you've done, and I try to look at them when I get home at night.
02:13:24.000Well, we're glad that we're contributing, but not as much as you are in this area of the anthrax.
02:13:29.000For those that may forget, this was five years ago.
02:13:31.00067% of adults over 40 don't even know what year it happened.
02:13:36.000So perhaps we should go back and recap what on the surface happened, and then go through why you're questioning the official story.
02:13:45.000Well, after the attacks on September 11th, the Bush administration tried to ram through the USA Patriot Act right through Congress that basically would have, if not already has set up a police state.
02:14:06.000And we know for a fact that the Patriot Act had already been drafted and was sitting on Ashcroft's desk as of September 10th.
02:14:15.000Now, Senators Daschle and Laney were holding it up because they realized what this would lead to.
02:14:23.000Indeed, the first draft of the Patriot Act, they would have suspended the writ of habeas corpus.
02:14:29.000And all of a sudden then, out of nowhere, come these anthrax attacks.
02:14:35.000And at the time, I didn't know myself precisely what was going on, either with respect to September 11th or the anthrax attacks.
02:14:47.000But then the New York Times revealed the technology behind the letter to Senator Daschle.
02:14:55.000A trillion spores per gram special electrostatic treatment so it floats in air.
02:15:04.000This is ultra, this is ultra high-tech.
02:15:07.000This is super weapons-grade anthrax that even the United States government, in its openly proclaimed programs, when we had one before Nixon, had never developed before.
02:15:24.000So, it was obvious to me, based on the work I had done drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, and that act actually was passed unanimously by both Houses of Congress and signed into law by President Bush, Sr.
02:15:44.000It was obvious to me, then, that this was from a U.S.
02:15:50.000There's nowhere else you could have gotten that.
02:15:53.000So, immediately after reading that New York Times article, I did call a very high-level official in the FBI who deals with terrorism and counterterrorism, Spike Bowman, whom I had met at a terrorism conference at the University of Michigan Law School, where we both spoke.
02:16:15.000And there was a panel there on biological weapons.
02:16:22.000But he was aware of the work I had done in this field, and I immediately called him, and I went through the history here, and I said, look, the only people that would have the capability to do this were someone, people, working for U.S.
02:16:43.000government programs on anthrax, And with access to probably a biosafety lab three or four, maybe four, given how serious this was, lab.
02:16:57.000And I explained to him the reasons for my opinion.
02:17:04.000And I believe he took me seriously because he knew I was an expert in the field.
02:17:10.000And of course, people had been killed and Congress was shut down.
02:17:17.000Which, in my opinion, is a political crime.
02:17:20.000After I hung up, I then realized that I had a list of all of the biological warfare contracts, all the contractors, and all the labs, and all the names.
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02:21:55.000Government Biological Weapons Legislator says 2001 attacks, anthrax attacks, part of government bio-warfare program.
02:22:03.000Experts says FBI covered up the plot to attack Congress, which may have been perpetrated by the same people who carried out 9-11.
02:22:10.000And so, you know, he's literally written our biological weapons treaty, written other, you know, serious laws that were then, I guess, coupled with treaties, would be more exact.
02:22:20.000And, clearly, I mean, we were saying super weaponized, because I just went up and looked when the attacks were happening at the basic public stuff available, and that, you know, only super weaponized anthrax would be having these type of, you know, effects when it gets on your skin, you get it.
02:22:37.000I mean, normally you'd have to breathe, you know, the classical anthrax out of some barnyard, and then it wouldn't still have those numbers of kills.
02:22:44.000But then the FBI said, no, somebody with a bucket could make this.
02:23:02.000So I was having the conversation with Marianne Spike Bowman, the very high-level official in the FBI dealing with terrorism and counterterrorism.
02:23:12.000After the first conversation where I explained to him who was behind this, it then occurred to me that I had a complete listing of all contractors doing anthrax work for the Pentagon.
02:23:25.000And I have that book here in front of me.
02:23:27.000It's called the Final Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement Biological Defense Research Program, April 1989.
02:23:35.000So I called him back, and I said, look, I have the names and the labs right here of everyone involved in anthrax work for the government.
02:23:44.000And I went through all the names, the contracts, and the labs for anthrax work.
02:23:48.000And I said, now, obviously, it's been updated because the Clinton administration began to get heavily back into biowarfare, but I'm sure you could get the most recent contracts from the Pentagon And then we also know, this is what I told Bowman, that the CIA is back in biowarfare research, and specifically on anthrax, because that book by Miller and Broad from the New York Times had just come out that previous summer.
02:24:18.000So Bowman told me that, well, the FBI was working with Fort Detrick on this matter, was coordinating with them.
02:24:26.000And I specifically said, Look, Dietrich could really be the problem here.
02:24:38.000So, I said, you know, you could have a situation where someone who was on the reservation is off the reservation.
02:24:45.000So he said, well, he passed this along to the appropriate people.
02:24:48.000So at first you're thinking it's somebody rogue in the government, but then you start seeing an overall pattern of a cover-up.
02:24:54.000Well, what happened then, Soon after I had informed Bowman of this information, the FBI authorized the destruction of the Ames anthrax culture database in Ames, Iowa.
02:25:12.000That way you can't find out which strain was sent to who to find out who developed the larger breed of it.
02:25:19.000And clearly For the FBI to have authorized the destruction of the Ames Anthrax Collection, that was obstruction of justice of federal crime.
02:25:32.000That collection should have been preserved and protected as evidence.
02:26:36.000And so, at that point, it was very clear to me that what we were dealing with here was a cover-up by The FBI.
02:26:46.000And later on in my reading the Griffiths book on 9-11, it turns out that Griffiths pointed out that Bowman was the same FBI agent who sabotaged the FISA warrant for the Moussaoui computer.
02:27:08.000So you didn't know you were talking to the devil?
02:27:12.000I wouldn't say it was the devil, but I didn't realize he was the guy who had sabotaged the warrant for the Pfizer warrant for Moussaoui's computer that could have prevented the terrible tragedies of September 11th.
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02:30:57.000Let me just throw something out here concerning the anthrax.
02:31:01.000We reported here from sources in Washington that the White House, much of the cabinet, and Bush's employees, staff, were on Cipro, the anthrax-fighting antibiotic.
02:31:12.000Ari Fleischer, In a press conference, months after, did admit that indeed the President and much of his cabinet were on Cipro on September 11th.
02:31:23.000That is three plus weeks before Anthrax popped up in Boca Raton, Florida at American Media, the place where they'd written the story and gotten the photos of the drunk Bush daughters and reportedly had more, but the archives got seized because they'd been salted with Anthrax.
02:31:39.000The feds said Daschle and other enemies get it, other enemies in the media get it, It creates a total hysteria.
02:31:47.000Much of the Capitol office buildings are shut down.
02:31:49.000We're going to walk through that with a real expert who's written a book on the subject and who helped write our biological weapons laws, Dr. Francis A. Boyle, who we're really honored to have on with us.
02:32:01.000Yeah, I mean, we look at motive, then we look at how they tried to cover it up, and then we look at How they now claim that, oh, you can read this in your basement and anybody can do this.
02:32:17.000Let's go back to where you were at, Doctor, talking about you discovered that this FBI agent you're talking to is the one involved in other cover-ups.
02:32:35.000And he, as I was reading through his books, He identified Bowman, the same guy I was dealing with, this very high-level official at the FBI on terrorism and counterterrorism, as the exact same FBI agent in Washington who had sabotaged the FISA warrant request from the office up there in Minneapolis to get access to Moussaoui's computer.
02:33:04.000And if they had access to Moussaoui's computer, Uh, they very well might have been able to head off, uh, September 11th.
02:33:13.000Sure, and we have the other agents saying they were told, do not investigate this in Phoenix, in Chicago, in Dallas, and I've even interviewed some of those agents, and then after the fact, they were told they'd be arrested if they told the press what they knew, and FBI agent Robert Wright on national television on C-SPAN said, all I can tell you is, the Bush's vacation with the Bin Ladens.
02:33:34.000Right, so Bowman was the same guy, and as Griffith pointed out, later on he was promoted and given a decoration.
02:33:43.000And as I suggest in my book, I guess he's promoted and given a decoration because he did such a fine job on Moussaoui's computer, and also on the Anthrax.
02:33:56.000Now, this pattern of behavior repeats itself.
02:34:01.000As you know, about a year ago, in February, the Bush administration puts up a renewal of the USA Patriot Act, which was expiring in accordance with its terms after five years, and again it was being stalled and delayed by Senator Russ Feingold and others in the Senate.
02:34:23.000All of a sudden, out of nowhere, censors in the U.S.
02:34:28.000Senate House Office, Hart Office Building, begin to go off and detect a nerve agent.
02:34:35.000And you probably recall this from last year.
02:34:42.000A lot of Americans and people listening globally will forget what they did with the anthrax attack in October of 2001.
02:34:51.000They shut down almost the entire complex and it was just a feeling of hysteria and siege then.
02:34:58.000Right, and that is then how they ran through the USA Patriot Act itself, because the opposition by Senator Leahy and Daschle, whom they tried to kill, disappeared.
02:35:11.000And so they rammed it through, and indeed, even the House itself officially shut down.
02:35:18.000I believe probably the first time in the history of this republic.
02:35:26.000Basically, I say that this is the greatest political crime ever in the history of this Well, I agree.
02:35:37.000Now Bush, this is key though, now Bush has been using his executive force over the Federal Marshals and Capitol Police and now we've seen on TV, remember when the backfire happened with a car and so they thought it was a shooting and guys running up with guns on national TV telling Senators and House members, no, you're not doing an interview on TV outside the Capitol.
02:36:04.000And again, what happened, the same pattern of behavior...
02:36:08.000Came up with the renewal of USA Patriot Act in February 2006.
02:36:13.000Well that's my point, is we see executive sharks circling the legislative now, claiming this authority, while meanwhile in the Military Authorization Act of 2007, in the Military Commissions Act, we also see them claiming a dictatorial power.
02:36:28.000So we see them exercising it with signing statements, executive orders, exercising it physically with federal forces, Exercising it in everything they do, they're trying to build a dictatorship and set the precedent.
02:36:40.000Well that's right, and I point that out in Biowarfare and Terrorism, and also in my previous book last year, Destroying World Order.
02:36:48.000And remember, in that first USA Patriot Act, already sitting on Ashcroft's desk before September 11th, and you know before September 11th, Ashcroft was flying around in a private jet, because he was told there was going to be a terrorist attack with airplanes.
02:37:31.000We just rounded them up and threw them in military brigs, despite the common law and statutory right of habeas corpus.
02:37:40.000Now let's be clear on the trick they play, and you're a leading lawyer and legal expert on many facets, but a lot of law professors and others, but I read it day one when it passed, even before the LA Times made its pronouncement, And I looked at it, and in clear, the trick they play is, when they arrest you, they say you're an enemy combatant, you're instantly stripped of U.S.
02:38:01.000citizenship just by the President, the Defense Secretary, or his designate, so then they can say, oh no, we don't do this to U.S.
02:38:56.000These Federalist Society lawyers, of which Din is a member, are arguing that the fourteenth amendment does not really mean what it says it says and uh... therefore they can strip us of our U.S.
02:39:10.000citizenship and professors you at Berkeley who is a war criminal on the faculty there has argued the exact same point.
02:39:20.000So you do have these, Alex you're correct, these memoranda are there and indeed we also have members of the Bush administration who have publicly stated That Korematsu is still good law by the Supreme Court, which is technically correct.
02:39:37.000So, in other words, they're taking the position that at some point in time, if they want to, they can unilaterally round up United States native-born citizens, as they did for Japanese-Americans in World War II, and stick us into concentration camps.
02:40:21.000And those plans were already drawn up back then.
02:40:25.000And we know the FEMA camps are out there.
02:40:28.000So it's clear the Bush people, I guess they're waiting for some other terrorist attack, another anthrax attack, who knows what, and then they will proceed to invoke these emergency orders, right.
02:40:40.000And then we will proceed to kick their butt.
02:40:48.000This guy, because you've worked around these people, you've worked at the highest levels.
02:40:52.000I'm trying to understand the mindset of Hitler would torture people and have mass murder engaged in, and prosecute genocide, but he wasn't public about it.
02:41:03.000We look at John Yoo, I guess adding an addendum to the Gonzales torture memo saying we can squeeze children's Parts, sexual organs with pliers.
02:41:15.000We can do it in front of their parents.
02:41:16.000And then Professor Castle in Chicago at a CFR meeting brings this up.
02:41:56.000Well, in the case of Professor Yu, if I remember correctly, he came originally from a foreign country, where Ida Kimmerer is in South Vietnam.
02:42:07.000No, we're going to have a bunch of foreigners, really.
02:42:15.000They come from totalitarian countries.
02:42:18.000And they come over here, and in order to get ahead, they adopt totalitarian practices, and they really don't know the first thing about what American democracy is supposed to be all about.
02:42:28.000But those are two of the key people here, be it on the Patriot Act 1 and 2, which would have stripped us of our U.S.
02:42:36.000citizenship, and they could still try to do it.
02:42:39.000And then you, who is a war criminal and should be prosecuted, as well as Professor Goldsmith at Harvard Law School, where I went to show you how sick the whole system is.
02:42:51.000I was told that Harvard Law School was considering hiring Professor Goldsmith, who's a colleague of you and Dink, and was up to his nose in torture, war crimes, disappearances, etc.
02:43:04.000And I made sure the entire faculty knew that this guy was up to his keister in torture, war crimes, disappearances, whatever, and they hired him anyway.
02:43:15.000And the dean of the law school then said how proud she was to have hired this guy, and when the Washington Post published one of his smoking guns, she repeated that, that she was really proud.
02:43:30.000So what we see also Is infiltration, not just of the legal profession, but of legal education.
02:43:38.000And the Nazis did the exact same thing, too.
02:43:42.000They had their lawyers infiltrating law schools.
02:43:48.000One of the worst of the Nazi jurisprudence, Carl Schmitt, and he was the mentor to Leo Strauss, the founder of the neoconservatives.
02:44:01.000So, the same phenomena that started out in Nazi Germany is happening here.
02:44:07.000And I exaggerate not, I have here in front of me the classic work by Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, where she did the definitive study of Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia.
02:44:21.000And on page 145 she says, quote, the first essential step on the road to total domination is to kill theoretical person in man, unquote.
02:44:37.000That's exactly what this category of enemy combatants developed by you and Goldsmith did and these other federal... You're talking about dehumanization.
02:44:46.000First they dehumanize the group, and then they're going to start torturing and exterminating.
02:44:50.000Well, they no longer have a legal personality.
02:44:54.000This is what the Nazis did to the Jews.
02:44:56.000And Professor Arendt, the late Professor Arendt here, wrote the definitive analysis of how they did this and how they got away with it.
02:45:04.000And that's what they do with this habeas corpus attack.
02:45:09.000You mentioned the Military Commissions Act, now applicable to everyone down in Guantanamo or anyone they designate as an unlawful combatant.
02:45:30.000And that's what Professor Arendt was commenting on.
02:45:33.000It's unbelievable that in the United States they could do something like this.
02:45:36.000The good news is there is a huge backlash against them.
02:45:40.00080 plus percent of Americans in almost every poll you look at, it could be 80, 84, 86, depending on the scientific poll, hate these people, but they don't seem to care.
02:45:49.000And now the Democrats have come to power, and it looks like they're just going to gladly take the new powers, the unlawful powers that have been, quote, given to the presidency, and just continue running with it, Professor.
02:46:02.000I think that's correct, and I'm a political independent myself, I always have been, but it looks like the Democrats are just going to roll over and play dead.
02:46:12.000And so I guess we're talking about More organizing, third parties, more opposition, protests, demonstrations.
02:46:25.000Why are the big defense contractors and the big banks that own this country, why do they, because they clearly made a decision pre 9-11, and of course the evidence is they orchestrated it and provocateured it, why have they made the conscious decision?
02:46:37.000Because they already owned everything and had all this power.
02:46:40.000Why have they made the decision to turn us into such a police state?
02:46:44.000Is it because they're blowing out the dollar?
02:46:45.000They need to fully seize us as an engine of global domination and imperialism?
02:46:50.000I mean, why are they really trying to forge us into the Fourth Reich?
02:46:54.000Well, again, it's both at the same time.
02:46:57.000When they decided to start the wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, For the purpose of controlling and dominating three quarters of the world's energy supplies.
02:47:11.000They realized full well there would be an enormous backlash among the American people to such an act of hegemonial imperialism.
02:47:22.000And that the only way they were going to be able to continue to steal all this oil and gas in the Gulf and in Central Asia was to erect a police state here at home to suppress dissent.
02:47:50.000Let's just say you're cold-blooded, you have that attitude.
02:47:52.000They have the view that they're somehow in the predator's cockpit and that they're going to get something out of this.
02:47:57.000I want to explain to them that if an Iraqi child's life is worthless to this elite, you're worthless, your bank account is worthless, and this very same tyranny we're thrusting on others is going to come back home seven times seven And that what comes around goes around.
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02:51:54.000Final segment here, we've got to get Dr. Boyle back up with us, because we both want to warn the people, we're both desperate to warn you about the systematic tyranny that's upon us.
02:52:05.000Doctor, going back to the Anthrax case, you're going public, you've written a book about this, clearly it's an inside job, clearly a cover-up.
02:52:15.000Will anybody ever be brought to justice?
02:52:17.000I mean, how much more obvious is it with the White House on Cipro three weeks before it even shows up in the news that Anthrax has been mailed?
02:52:25.000I think we have to keep the pressure on Senator Leahy.
02:52:29.000He will, apparently becoming the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, he will have subpoena power and investigative power, and they did try to kill him.
02:52:40.000So, if anyone would have motivation to try to get to the bottom of this, it would be Senator Leahy.
02:52:48.000But to give your listeners an idea of the police state tactics going on here, In the summer of 2004, an FBI agent and an agent with the CIA-FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force in Springfield showed up at my office and proceeded to interrogate me for one hour and tried to get me to become an informant on my Arab and Muslim clients.
02:53:37.000To give you an example of what that means, a year ago, I was lecturing in Malaysia, I was flying in, uh, back into the country, Chicago, O'Hare.
02:53:47.000And, uh, as I landed, uh, there were two armed customs agents standing right on the jet port inspecting passports.
02:53:58.000And when I gave them, uh, my passport, they took me, uh, into custody.
02:54:37.000You see, over the last 30 years of being a lawyer and a law professor, I've flown into many communist countries, dictatorial countries, etc., etc., and the truth is, none of them are as bad in mistreating me as my own country.
02:54:54.000That's right, and Americans... Even Cuba wasn't this bad when I went down to Cuba 20 years ago.
02:55:00.000Or the Soviet Union, or Libya, or a lot of these other countries.